The NXR Podcast - THE LIVESTREAM - Pride Pullback： Real or Fake？

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00:00:26.860 in the cultural war zones of corporate america something strange is happening june has arrived

00:00:35.440 but the battlefield looks quiet rainbow logos are missing from brands that once flew them proudly

00:00:42.000 anheuser-busch after three decades has pulled its sponsorship from st louis pride target rejected by

00:00:49.340 organizers in its own backyard is sitting on the sidelines in minneapolis and nike for the first

00:00:56.020 time since 1999, no global pride collection. Pride Month, once the high holy season of the

00:01:03.880 modern West, looks less like a parade this year and more like a retreat. But is it? Is this merely

00:01:12.300 a tactical withdrawal, a marketing pause in response to conservative backlash, or is it

00:01:18.460 something deeper? Is it, perhaps, the beginning of a broader collapse, something more than just

00:01:25.100 a pendulum swing. We've seen pendulum swings before. The 1920s flaunted its rebellion only

00:01:31.640 to sober up in the dust bowl austerity of the Great Depression. The sexual revolution of the

00:01:37.460 60s gave way to the moral majority of the 80s, but neither lasted. Both faded. Both were reactions,

00:01:45.840 but not reformations or true returns to the good, true, and beautiful. In this episode,

00:01:52.400 we'll examine that pattern.

00:01:54.680 What distinguishes a short-lived recoil from a lasting revival?

00:01:59.060 We'll report on what's really happening with Pride Month in 2025,

00:02:03.440 which corporations are retreating,

00:02:05.780 which still advance under a quieter banner,

00:02:08.740 and how the local landscape tells a more complicated story

00:02:12.600 than national headlines would like to admit.

00:02:15.700 And then we'll ask the only question that really matters.

00:02:18.540 If this were the beginning of a true Christian Reformation,

00:02:22.400 what would it look like? Because repentance doesn't look like silence. It looks like

00:02:27.820 confession. It looks like repudiation. It looks like CEOs not merely dropping rainbow logos

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00:03:03.220 donate. The smoke may be clearing, but the war is not over, not even close. So let's dive in.

00:03:17.840 all right ga welcome back good afternoon uh it's funny in the chat everybody does the capital g

00:03:25.540 capital a for good afternoon and i'm always like man everyone who listens to us is from georgia

00:03:30.140 georgia georgia georgia and i can tell from you know many of the profile pics you know most of

00:03:35.720 them are white and i'm like man why are all these guys living in atlanta they're probably

00:03:39.120 like all of them are living in atlanta uh i'm feeling pretty good i feel like i've had a few

00:03:46.680 bangers just this morning yeah on x um but it's not really the topic for today so we'll try to 0.53

00:03:53.200 stay on task it's officially uh june the gayest thing i've seen all month uh was uh the reposting

00:04:00.160 of the uh the music video with nt wright and francis calling uh calling singing about evolution 0.62

00:04:06.240 i don't want to hear i posted that this morning and i said uh even in the month of june this is 0.63

00:04:12.260 the gayest thing. It was pretty bad. But Michael, you've outlined this episode for us. For our 0.82

00:04:17.780 longtime listeners who have been with us for a while, a year ago, during Pride Month, we did

00:04:24.460 an episode going over all the stats and saying, you know, this is what we just need to be honest

00:04:30.580 about, you know, what we're so prideful about. And they were not flattering stats. I mean,

00:04:35.220 if especially for um for gay men homosexuals uh sodomites um i mean you are on average there can 0.99

00:04:42.980 be some exceptions in both directions it could be better it could be worse but on average you're 0.99

00:04:47.160 shaving i mean you are you are just deliberately by making that choice you're shaving what like a

00:04:52.700 decade maybe two i think it's 43 to 45 average life expectancy for an average gay man without

00:04:58.280 hiv right average heterosexual is around 75 of course that varies a little bit but 75 to 45 and

00:05:04.800 then another four years off of that for hiv positive so almost cutting your life in half

00:05:09.220 yeah um it's it's almost it's like uh you know you drink the blood of a unicorn you have a half

00:05:15.040 life you sodomize another man you have a half life so that's the episode that we did last year

00:05:21.140 i might even repost some clips for that sometime throughout you know the month of june uh because

00:05:26.360 it was a banger and it was important for people to realize um why one of the reasons why god

00:05:31.760 condemns us what god you know designates as as that which is morally right is not arbitrary that

00:05:37.320 which is morally right is also that which is um which is beneficial and good so god doesn't say

00:05:43.660 hey this thing that's that's truly healthy for you and good for you and pleasurable and all these

00:05:49.160 things i'm gonna categorize it as morally wrong because i simply want to steal your joy like i

00:05:55.480 mean we can look at the law of god and the things that god deems as righteous are also the things

00:06:00.200 that lead to life and the things that he deems as being wicked actually have detrimental effects.

00:06:06.780 And so I think that episode was very informative. But today we're going to hit the topic from a

00:06:11.680 little bit of a different angle. And so I'm going to give it to you, Michael, to lay it out.

00:06:15.760 Yeah, I'm really excited to go through this. And before we jump in, just a friendly reminder to

00:06:21.520 all of you, you guys are really good about it already. But if you would like the video,

00:06:25.920 um subscribe if you haven't hit the bell for notifications uh you you guys are youtube savvy

00:06:31.320 you know the whole thing so this is your youtube reminder so um it was really interesting just as

00:06:37.840 you were saying joel as i was thinking um how like we live in it we live in a time where change

00:06:44.920 happens so quickly you know i mean you've got month to month ai updating its model and now it

00:06:52.120 can do this. It can do images with text. It can do, you know, it's just constant change and

00:06:57.600 constant change. And this is actually a question that we've been circling around quite a few times

00:07:03.420 with Trump and the Republican Party and MAGA and all of that. How fast is reasonable to expect

00:07:09.180 things to change? At what point is it sandbagging? At what point is it just a charade? And so that

00:07:15.920 question of how quickly change can happen is really one that that we ask a lot right now um

00:07:23.040 and so it's good we're going to question some of the things or we're going to we're going to i

00:07:28.380 guess bring a little bit of um perspective to some of the things going on with pride month and

00:07:33.760 sponsors dropping um their funding and their their their support of it we are going to bring

00:07:39.380 some perspective and say, it's not all daisies and rainbows. I guess it is rainbows. But I don't

00:07:47.920 want to bury the lead. It's incredible that in a year, like you said, Joel, the temperature of the

00:07:54.580 nation on this topic, pride and public displays of celebration of sodomy and transgender and all 0.77

00:08:02.620 of those things, it has taken a nosedive nationally. And, you know, it's the beach ball 0.92

00:08:09.940 thing that we've been talking about for a while. Really, people have to be completely brainwashed

00:08:15.920 into supporting and loving and liking the whole pride thing, the whole homosexual thing. 0.96

00:08:22.540 And we are seeing a very fast change. Now, the question that we want to ask in this episode, 0.63

00:08:27.860 We are going to spend a few, actually a whole segment, talking about what companies have

00:08:33.600 backed off or abandoned it entirely.

00:08:36.100 And it is good and proper for us to have a victory lap and to laugh at them and to mock

00:08:40.360 them for their superficiality and duplicity and doing anything to chase the bottom dollar.

00:08:45.420 Most of this is all about reading the wins of the market.

00:08:51.780 And what do people want?

00:08:53.320 Oh, they want us to do this.

00:08:54.600 Well, if it'll sell us 10 more widgets, then we'll do this.

00:08:57.860 Right. I think that the people who are in the HR offices, they might be true believers, maybe some of the CEOs, but really a lot of it is just a slave to mammon, a slave to money.

00:09:08.600 So what we want to do, though, what I want to do here first is look at some previous historical examples and just kind of compare.

00:09:16.900 There are times when true, lasting and enduring change has happened through reformation or even violent, not revolution, but state intervention.

00:09:28.220 And then there have been times where there has been a groundswell of movement, but it has been just mainly a pendulum swing.

00:09:33.760 And our prayer and our hope for America and the West is that this would not just be a pendulum swing.

00:09:41.240 People are tired. 1.00

00:09:42.220 We went too far with the trans stuff. 1.00

00:09:44.040 Okay, let's get back to the late 90s, early 2000s. 1.00

00:09:47.080 Like our prayer and our hope is that there would be real change, positive change, enduring decades and decades long change, that we would not repeat this error in the West ever, ever again.

00:09:58.320 I'm a little skeptical about that, but we'll see.

00:10:00.700 So what I wanted to do is just show a graph, a chart of some of the, this was just kind

00:10:06.140 of a random sampling.

00:10:08.720 So we've got several events that have happened through history.

00:10:11.840 And what I tried to show on here was how long it took to accomplish that event and then

00:10:17.000 how long that event happened.

00:10:19.420 So Christendom, we talked about quite a bit a couple of weeks ago in our sacralism episode.

00:10:24.640 And so they were reacting against pagan pluralism, civic disorder, and that actually took some

00:10:29.540 time, right?

00:10:30.160 I remember the other Paul outlined, you know, from the Edict of Milan, the Edict of Toleration,

00:10:36.220 up until the point where paganism was really on the outs.

00:10:39.640 That was over a century, century and a half long process.

00:10:42.960 And yet it lasted for well over a thousand years, right, in Europe.

00:10:47.380 The Reformation, it was a long process too, 50 to 100 years, depending on what you think

00:10:52.720 is the beginning and kind of the culmination.

00:10:55.280 for this graph, I went to the point where basically Protestantism was the dominant force

00:11:01.580 in England. And that lasted, you know, a quarter of a century, arguably. That was enduring Christian

00:11:08.260 change. Interestingly, with the French Revolution, there was an immediate counter-reaction against

00:11:14.520 the atheism and kind of the licentiousness of the French Revolution. And there was a really

00:11:21.900 militant group that cannot know they were reacting against a militant group and they tried to restore

00:11:27.760 the monarchy they tried to restore french order as it traditionally had been and it happened very

00:11:32.880 quickly about one to five years but it didn't last it only lasted a couple of decades that was 0.66

00:11:37.000 probably more of a pendulum swing the people realized well we're we're cutting off everyone's

00:11:40.880 heads we've gone too far and they pushed back and it didn't last very long um the confessional

00:11:46.440 revivals this is more of a theological swing um so this was in the 1920s leading up to the 1920s

00:11:52.780 when liberalism was gaining ground in the theological circles you think of things going

00:11:57.320 on in princeton with german higher criticism that whole time period and there was uh somewhat of a

00:12:02.880 backlash against that um and partial christian reform right so you still have the seminaries

00:12:09.220 like princeton that are very liberal but out of that did come a pretty good solid at least for a

00:12:15.900 time period group of orthodox theologians. Depression era, this is more social. The 20s,

00:12:22.960 the roaring 20s, we call them. Prohibition was a mixed issue. There really were some abuses going

00:12:30.780 on with alcoholism and things like that. But behind Prohibition during the roaring 20s was

00:12:37.620 a time of incredible sexual license. It was, I think, probably the first time ever in America

00:12:44.860 that we had really just an abandonment

00:12:48.160 of the sexual norms, the biblical norms

00:12:50.680 that we inherited from the Puritans and from England.

00:12:52.940 And there was a backlash against that,

00:12:56.180 partly brought on by the Great Depression,

00:12:58.240 where people had to become very austere,

00:13:00.720 very buttoned up, very harsh.

00:13:02.960 And it led even to a moral kind of austerity

00:13:07.200 coming out of the Great Depression as well.

00:13:08.960 And that lasted about 10 to 20 years.

00:13:11.040 But again, that seems to be more of a pendulum swing.

00:13:14.000 Last one that we mentioned in the cold open was the 60s and 70s, again, with their sexual

00:13:19.040 openness.

00:13:19.580 This is why it seems like for the last 100 years, there's just been a continual pendulum

00:13:23.440 swing.

00:13:24.240 It gets really sexually open.

00:13:26.140 It swings back, conservative.

00:13:28.100 It gets open again.

00:13:29.220 So in the 80s, we had the moral majority, and that lasted about a decade or two.

00:13:34.560 And then, you know, we got into the 90s and 2000s, and we're right back.

00:13:38.300 We're worse than we ever were.

00:13:39.520 So the question the question is, what do we think is going on? Is this and it doesn't actually have to be one or the other. There can be cultural pendulum swings, because we're always reacting against what came before. That's that's always the context. But those pendulum swings can also, I think, and I hope, lead to an actual seed of true change.

00:14:06.360 And the question is going to be, are we going to recover in the West a true biblical sexual ethic, or are we just going to put the crazy back in the closet and leave everything else just fine?

00:14:16.320 And so, gentlemen, any thoughts on kind of that, where we're at, what you think?

00:14:21.820 Is this a pendulum swing?

00:14:23.520 Are we seeing some changes that seem like they could be enduring?

00:14:27.520 And we're going to come back to this question at the end of the episode to say, if it's going to last, what's going to have to happen?

00:14:33.060 Yeah, I always think of Israel and their seasons of repentance that didn't always last very long.

00:14:42.060 But in pretty much every case, the instrument that God used to bring about repentance and reformation was always pain. 0.99

00:14:50.300 And so it usually wasn't until they were in bondage, exiled, something extremely painful that they were ruled over by foreigners. 0.95

00:15:03.060 and, you know, enslaved or, you know, something significant that they finally would, you know, 0.99

00:15:09.060 turn from their idolatry and repent. And so when I think in those terms,

00:15:16.460 unfortunately, I'm grateful, you know, so don't get me wrong, I'll take whatever we can get,

00:15:22.600 even if it's shallow. It's better than just wickedness pushing, you know, encroaching one

00:15:28.440 one inch further. Um, so if, you know, if there's ebbs and flows, you know, and the tide is pulling

00:15:34.160 back, even if it's brief and even if it's just a natural reasoning and not, um, a, a real, you

00:15:40.900 know, reformation that comes from the Lord, um, I'm still grateful for that. But if I'm trying to

00:15:46.140 describe what I think is going on, um, I think it's just what you said. I think it's just putting

00:15:51.440 the crazier way. I don't think it's genuinely, let's return to biblical marriage, traditional 0.98

00:16:00.280 families, you know, these kinds of things. I think that the pain of that will have to be

00:16:07.700 more severe and probably even economic, you know, where you start facing the realities of

00:16:16.100 population decline. And the problem is that we've just been able to stave a lot of things,

00:16:21.260 off you know so um i think of hiv you know it's like well we come up with uh medicine you know

00:16:28.480 to stave off you know if the the more you're able to find ways to um to mitigate the natural

00:16:35.620 consequences of sinful choices uh then the less incentive you have to repent the prodigal son

00:16:41.980 repented but um but he was starving you know um and there was no way to stave off all the uh

00:16:49.360 the consequences from the wicked decisions that he had made. And if there were, it seems as though

00:16:55.900 the implication from that particular parable is that he wouldn't repent. It's not until that

00:16:59.840 moment. You know, we've handled in our church discipline cases where, you know, because

00:17:05.740 sometimes people, and I always have to kind of sit them down and explain it to them, but sometimes

00:17:10.520 people will be like, well, this person just, you know, is just seemingly repenting because

00:17:15.900 they finally, you know, experienced consequences. And my response is, who are you to say that it's

00:17:22.300 a pseudo repentance? It may be, but that's actually one of the ways that God causes us

00:17:29.140 to repent is severe consequences. That's what he, you know, happens with the prodigal son.

00:17:33.700 That's what happens with Israel, you know, time and time again. And so I've pastorally dealt with 0.90

00:17:38.960 cases where it's like i've met with someone for years and there's you know no repentance and then

00:17:46.760 all of a sudden there's some natural consequences whether it's legal you know or or health or

00:17:52.640 whatever and then all of a sudden they're like oh my goodness you know and they're like running to

00:17:58.140 the scripture and wanting to obey the lord and so that that's a mercy that doesn't mean that it's

00:18:02.940 fake that it's not genuine repentance that natural consequences are mercy from god so my point is

00:18:08.680 in our case i mean even china you know reverse their one child policy and i mean you don't have

00:18:15.040 to be a christian nation um to still recognize whoa wait a second like what we're doing is 0.51

00:18:20.180 suicidal and we have to return at least to uh the natural order and the way that the world works

00:18:27.160 whether we return to the triune god or not right um but even that that kind of course correction

00:18:34.220 requires consequences and if you find a way to mitigate all those consequences then you may not

00:18:39.740 get those results those changes and so like when i think of you know the united states i'll get a

00:18:44.860 little weird for just a second we and i think we might end up doing an episode on this on friday

00:18:49.300 talking about ai and some of those things um but for the longest time um like white people really

00:18:55.480 are being replaced and birth rates have declined and all these kinds of things and there's reasons

00:19:00.240 but some of it being elites you know manufacturing this and and wicked you know um manipulation and

00:19:07.220 and all this stuff and then also just a bunch of white people uh not wanting to have children and

00:19:12.540 being selfish and so it's you know it's both um there's there's responsibility um on on both sides

00:19:18.440 but one of the things that um has caused us not to see that sooner um population decline and and

00:19:25.060 not having, you know, not hitting the, you know, the reproductive levels. One of the things that's

00:19:31.560 mitigated that consequence is, you know, limitless immigration. And, but then that's brought about

00:19:37.440 its own consequence. Like kind of like if you have like a hurt shoulder, you know, and instead of

00:19:43.700 letting it heal, you just keep using it, but you just keep popping Tylenol, you know, or ibuprofen

00:19:49.220 maybe is a better example. And then all of a sudden you have a stomach ulcer, you know, because six

00:19:54.340 months go by and you've been taking you know 10 ibuprofen a day um and you wind up in the er

00:19:59.200 because your stomach's bleeding you know um but uh that said uh you know so it's like you do

00:20:04.960 something to stave off one consequence but then that has its own consequence and so immigration

00:20:09.980 now you know we use that to you know it's like well the timeless question i feel like for america

00:20:14.700 has always been who's going to pick the cotton right so they've got to have slaves you know and 0.87

00:20:18.760 it's like well we've got to have immigrants you know like okay you know but but then the immigrants 1.00

00:20:23.700 have their own consequences like um you know like little things like raping your wives and children 1.00

00:20:29.340 you know like those kinds of things um and you know and destroying the country um so that that 0.98

00:20:35.420 kind of sucks and it's like okay well maybe immigration is not going to fix you know the 0.58

00:20:39.700 consequences of population decline from the sexual revolution and all these kinds of things um but 0.99

00:20:44.980 what if you can just keep staving it off what if you can replace slaves with immigrants and then

00:20:48.900 what if you can eventually replace immigrants with robots you know um and and then you know

00:20:55.080 that like what if you can keep mitigating consequences and i think that's part of my fear

00:21:00.440 is that western society because of christendom is is so advanced and innovative um and so rich

00:21:09.580 um and wealthy uh that it's really hard to deplete the father's inheritance right the prodigal

00:21:17.520 returns to the father because he eventually spends all the money. And, and my impression

00:21:22.680 from that parable is I don't think he does it in an afternoon. It seems like it took him a while

00:21:26.640 because it was a large inheritance. And we have such a large inheritance from the fruits of

00:21:32.780 obedience to Christ over close to a millennium. Um, not just, you know, America, but America

00:21:38.060 sitting on top of, you know, centuries of, of revival and reformation in Europe. And,

00:21:43.640 and so it takes quite a while to spend all that inheritance and every time we start to get low

00:21:49.700 like in the coffers it seems like we come up with some other way to mitigate the consequences for

00:21:56.500 sin apart from repentance and actually turning to the Lord Jesus Christ and one of the ways we

00:22:01.860 we actually find a way to mitigate those consequences is by our our wealth and innovation

00:22:10.260 and advancement and all these fruits of a prior Christendom. So in some ways, it feels like God

00:22:16.540 ultimately will not be mocked. A man reaps what he sows. So eventually, we're going to have to

00:22:21.440 pay the piper. But I guess what I'm saying is that it really could be a while because that

00:22:27.220 inheritance is so significant from a thousand years, give or take, of obedience to the Lord

00:22:34.160 jesus that you know um you you spend a lot of it and you're you're feeling a little bit hungry

00:22:39.960 but you still have some left in the coffers and you can invest over here um and and and get a

00:22:46.180 return and and then fill your belly and you know and live another day and i feel like that's what

00:22:51.080 we keep doing and keep doing and keep doing um somehow they they find a way for the gdp to keep

00:22:57.120 going up so yeah um so all that being said i i don't think we're there yet and here's the thing

00:23:02.760 like honestly like i hope we don't get there in my lifetime in my children's right i don't i don't

00:23:09.000 want to get to the point where you know people are starving and there's chaos on the streets

00:23:14.440 and there's race wars and there's you know i i don't want to live through that i certainly don't

00:23:19.840 want my children to live through that so if possible yeah i would love for for my generation 0.59

00:23:25.460 and my children's generation to not have to eat the pig food um that's that's certainly my hope

00:23:31.240 but apart from the pig food i don't know i don't know if we change right i'm optimistic michael you

00:23:38.800 showed that graph and you definitely noted more of kind of the last hundred years because they are

00:23:42.780 more fresh in our memory but there can be uh patterns within patterns so smaller movements

00:23:47.340 that are then are part of a larger movement i think the larger movement if you tracked it back

00:23:51.040 to the french revolution i mean mary percy shelley she writes frankenstein in 1818 so you had an early

00:23:56.680 type of sexual revolution then but of course is nowhere near where we're at today right but each

00:24:00.900 of these are kind of you can think of you know two steps backwards three steps backwards and then

00:24:05.020 there'd be that counter-cultural thing and it would be you know one or two steps forward right

00:24:08.280 then you take another three to five steps backwards and those are all movements within a larger

00:24:12.780 broader movement that's been going this way so i think the question is we're in the middle of a

00:24:16.900 we definitely took our three or five ten steps backwards in the last decade to two decades that

00:24:22.620 was the embrace of homosexuality alternative lifestyles even polygamy and uh you know uh 0.95

00:24:28.700 open marriages. Those have been really a thing. So we really, we took our cake, we ran with it, 0.74

00:24:33.220 and we certainly are seeing the step backwards. Now, here's the question in the larger macro

00:24:37.000 picture, is there going to be your two, three steps back to that way? And then we redouble

00:24:41.420 down again. And I actually am optimistic, not just because of the things that we're about to

00:24:45.720 talk about that we're seeing here, but everywhere. I mean, the rebellion against feminism, the

00:24:49.920 rebellion against globalism, we could literally be the turning point where since the French

00:24:55.060 revolution 270s so you're about 225 250 years at this this liberal drift this drift towards

00:25:02.880 equality this drift towards egalitarianism it's been in the water we've never made real progress

00:25:07.500 as we click click click click click click all the way this way what really might be happening in

00:25:12.660 god's grace right is it's finally twisted and now we're about to hit five steps forward two steps

00:25:17.560 back seven steps forward three steps back that would be in god's grace what i would love to see

00:25:21.980 i'm optimistic and even the energy behind it can be the deciding factor that that is the turning

00:25:27.020 point right again to your point if you just kind of go like all right they're back in the closet

00:25:30.820 civilization is saved boys that's right well that then opens it up for you know next year we're

00:25:36.160 going to take this flag we're going to plant it again but to say no we're done with it and we're

00:25:39.920 not just done with the progress that you've made in the last 15 years we're done with the progress

00:25:43.820 you made in the last 150 years right you got it taken away as a mental disease classification when

00:25:48.820 sodomy was decriminalized this that or the other yeah that that is possible uh with our current

00:25:54.940 population i i personally don't see that but i'm hopeful i guess you know going maybe taking a

00:26:02.360 detour in in my white pill journey here um i'm hopeful like israel um you know particularly in 0.86

00:26:10.220 in the wilderness generation that they're stiff-necked people and uh it's like well maybe 0.97

00:26:15.360 they'll finally learn and um you know and they don't like so sometimes it's like god brings you

00:26:20.940 to the bottom of the barrel so that you finally experience enough of his rod in order to uh repent

00:26:27.020 but then other times um god you know just simply kills off one generation and raises up another so

00:26:34.840 i'm not hopeful that the current population of americans are going to just see the light

00:26:41.660 But I am hopeful for about 10 to 15 years from now,

00:26:45.400 I think something significant will happen

00:26:47.200 that gives me a lot of hope in about 10 to 15 years.

00:26:51.540 I think we'll have a different people

00:26:54.520 and some real hope of making some different choices.

00:26:59.280 Well, that's one of the reasons on the chart

00:27:00.700 I put an estimate of how long

00:27:03.260 those counter movements took to accomplish.

00:27:08.480 And some of them were a century or two

00:27:10.940 and some of them even the shortest ones were like a decade or two that was the effort by the more i

00:27:16.700 guess for lack of a better term conservative or biblical counter push to kind of marshal its

00:27:23.740 strength and push back against even in pendulum swings those didn't happen overnight right so i

00:27:30.140 think i think if you count the last five years well 10 since a burger fell um if you if we go

00:27:36.940 with your 10 or 15 years Joel that would be 20 to 25 years I think that's pretty reasonable

00:27:43.740 at least for some sort of meaningful pushback it's not going to happen overnight right um

00:27:50.200 because like like Joel you've talked about before the the the girls on their phones just checking

00:27:56.600 Instagram and they've got the chip they can replace be replaced the the NCPs the NPCs

00:28:03.000 npc sorry they they it could the the pride movement could fall out of disfavor pretty easily

00:28:09.480 yeah well with half the population it can fall out of favor in 15 minutes yes yes because half

00:28:15.260 the population my you know my theory on that but i i truly believe that it's not like oh women are

00:28:20.000 no longer submissive and their entire disposition in nature has been changed and but like yeah no

00:28:24.800 women submit to authority yes and the reigning authority has been the global gay you know the 0.97

00:28:29.780 g-a-e you know like so like women it's not that women have been you know sticking it to the man 0.99

00:28:34.420 no like women have been saying yes sir i'm a woman and i will follow men and the men are evil

00:28:38.880 that's that's why so like so what you've seen for the last 40 50 years is men leaving the church

00:28:44.840 and uh and women you know remain because the the reigning authority was still at some point you

00:28:51.280 know uh or at least uh to some degree you know um this moral christian traditional religious

00:28:58.920 authority. So like men rebelled, right? That's what men do. They think for themselves. They

00:29:04.020 make their own choices for better and for worse. And so men left the church and women and children

00:29:09.000 stayed. Well, this is the first time in the last couple of years, we talked about this a couple

00:29:13.100 of weeks ago and showed a graph. It's the first time that men are actually, young men particularly

00:29:18.080 are returning to the church and women are the ones who are the most liberal, the most progressive

00:29:22.740 and the ones who are leaving. And I think it's, again, it's not because women all of a sudden

00:29:26.980 and changed their tune. And we're like, now we're going to think for ourselves and we're going to

00:29:30.860 rebel against the man, you know, and we're going to stand up and be independent. No, it's because

00:29:35.520 the transition of authorities from old traditional Christian to new progressive secular has fully

00:29:47.360 taken place. And so the female population is actually still just doing the same thing,

00:29:53.480 namely submitting to authority it's just a different authority it used to be a christian 0.78

00:29:58.140 authority and now it's a gay authority uh whereas the men are doing precisely what they've always 0.66

00:30:02.440 done which is rebelling against the authority and because the authority these days is super 0.97

00:30:07.080 liberal and super progressive and super duper gay uh men are like uh-uh wait you're like the 0.99

00:30:13.240 reigning authority is saying that i should be a homo well i hate homos i'm going to church gosh 0.99

00:30:19.560 darn it right just to stick it to the man and that's kind of where we're at but i say that 0.98

00:30:24.380 that's hopeful in the sense that um men will always lead the way so in the same way that men 0.96

00:30:30.700 left the church and then the women eventually became progressive and liberal you know in the

00:30:35.560 same way i think if men come back to the church women will eventually fall i uh people can be

00:30:40.760 reset to factory settings i think really pretty easily it was a video that went viral it was

00:30:45.540 probably about six months ago there was a girl in la who she was just self self-professed like

00:30:50.280 i'm progressive i'm a feminist she said but here's the deal guys i went out last night on a date with 1.00

00:30:54.780 like a manly man and he gave me his credit card and said get whatever and literally she was like

00:30:59.120 i literally felt the feminism leave my body we're talking about like a six hour evening for drinks 1.00

00:31:04.100 together in la and she's like you know all that crap that i spent all my time in college learning

00:31:08.260 and becoming my personality went away when i literally just encountered a man in los angeles

00:31:13.840 with testosterone above 500 yeah like people can be reset so easily so to your point joel it's not

00:31:18.840 like women have had a hundred years psyop run on them that fundamentally all traces of it are gone

00:31:23.340 like no this could all be undone in a couple years 51 of the population i think that's what

00:31:28.580 you know women are they can change on a dime um so it really comes down to the men yep and i'm

00:31:34.420 hopeful for the men because um they've been so disparaged and so beaten down um that they're

00:31:40.880 angry yeah and my you know you know and now there's you know obviously like in your anger do

00:31:46.160 not sin there can be certain pitfalls but on the whole young men in america being angry my response

00:31:53.420 is good and they can be reset to factory too by watching some david goggins videos right by

00:32:00.260 getting up early by getting into shape and seeing the results of it same thing for them like you

00:32:04.940 take a young man that has just been you know nothing a consumer sitting at home doing nothing

00:32:09.800 get him a job get him some sunlight get him some weights boom that man will be a far-right

00:32:14.760 revolutionary in a year yeah yeah the real question before we go to our commercial break

00:32:19.120 will be um the the ideology is still very entrenched in the republican party as it as it

00:32:25.580 exists now you know yes talked already at length this year about how a number of the people that

00:32:30.700 trump's appointed are openly gay or supposedly married to gay partners etc so there's there's

00:32:37.200 a long way to go but the the the point of this first section is um we are in the middle of

00:32:44.160 something it's either a pendulum shift a little ways or a major return to god's natural order

00:32:53.240 and we're praying it's the second one but even if it's just the first one it's better than what

00:32:58.180 like you said joel it's better than what it has been and we're grateful yeah some things that

00:33:02.440 help just real quick is um what was it is it david greenwald who's uh glenn glenn glenn that's right

00:33:08.480 glenn yeah so like some things that do help because i was going to say like so the gop is

00:33:13.720 super gay like what you were saying it's it's entrenched in uh the republican party but i think

00:33:18.860 a lot of that is not so much ideological um like trump for instance i don't think he's an ideologue

00:33:24.020 i don't think he really has much conviction one way the other i think he has convictions on he's

00:33:29.320 he's you know a 1990s liberal democrat and uh has been a businessman his whole life so so i think

00:33:35.400 he like he genuinely has convictions on like some of the financial pieces like tariffs right uh but

00:33:40.440 other than that like i think he's like i'm for israel and then you know if netanyahu offends

00:33:45.800 him he's like i'm not for israel you know like and he you know what i mean like i don't think

00:33:49.220 he has a deep entrenched like true conviction one way or the other he's like you know the the

00:33:53.980 Adelson's gave me a hundred million dollars for Israel, you know, and then this guy's doing his 0.95

00:33:59.740 laundry, you know, this Jew's doing his laundry at the white house, you know, I'm not for Israel, 1.00

00:34:04.560 you know? And so I, so my point is with the gay thing, especially when I think of the, you know, 0.99

00:34:09.440 the, the present GOP thinking of Trump and MAGA, I don't think it's like ideologically, 0.55

00:34:15.640 we've studied the issue and we're genuinely convicted that, you know, gay is good. I don't 1.00

00:34:21.020 think that's it i think a lot of it really is with trump and and maga as a whole it's just

00:34:25.560 relationships and we're all to you know to not just pick on trump we're all kind of like that

00:34:29.800 like if uh we're all tempted to make concessions uh for the people that we love like we just are

00:34:35.880 and so i think we uh letting so many uh gays into the republican party um over time like they've

00:34:45.740 they've made friendships and relationships and so now when you think of you're like okay well 0.87

00:34:50.700 we'll start we'll stop the most progressive you know crazy extreme versions of the lgbt mafia but 0.90

00:34:57.520 but so and so is my friend and so in the province of god i i thank god i mean it's absolutely 0.99

00:35:02.800 disgusting but i thank god that in his mercy that the good gays are having videos released where it's 0.82

00:35:08.580 like okay here's a good gay and uh who is a single father so as far as we can tell children are in 0.97

00:35:17.860 the home probably asleep but in the same house there are children and he's got hard drugs right 0.71

00:35:25.180 in the background you can see it in the video and is doing you know this this dominant humiliation

00:35:31.740 ritual and recording it and i what i love about that is um it's like man that's a really unique

00:35:38.280 case nope uh that's uh like i mean you know that's i mean that's one in a thousand nope that's every 0.94

00:35:45.940 gay dude ever they're all pervs yep you don't you don't it's not just like oh i have a gay gene or 0.96

00:35:53.460 like no no no no um you're you're talking about you can read the statistics uh the the average 1.00

00:36:00.000 gay man has 500 plus partners over his lifetime uh time and i think it's like 25 a quarter of gay

00:36:06.320 men have a thousand plus and to be fair that's a study from the 70s in san francisco so its

00:36:11.160 applicability is going to vary across you know take a young man that just is in high school

00:36:15.040 it's going to vary up and down but there are whole groups of gay men that they've interviewed

00:36:18.460 and like yeah about half of us have had 500 or more sexual partners in our lifetime yes yeah

00:36:23.620 and the type you know the manner of sexual engagement that they're you know that they're 0.56

00:36:29.880 taking part in is um immensely perverse and so yeah i mean even when you know two gay men you 0.97

00:36:38.620 know uh purchase a baby you know through surrogacy which is just absolutely ridiculous that we're 0.98

00:36:44.980 you know human trafficking right for gay men to live out their you know their pleasure how come 0.99

00:36:49.700 it's always a boy like two gay dudes always adopt uh let me guess is it going to be a little girl 0.93

00:36:56.240 oh it's a boy oh it's another boy oh it's another boy oh it's another every time every time every 0.76

00:37:02.600 single time this is every single time situation greenwald is jewish as well as dave rubin and

00:37:06.760 his partner so as yep so as this continues to to happen and more of this stuff gets released

00:37:12.240 i i think that this is my theory i'll stop here but i think that you know the left overplayed

00:37:17.080 its hand 2020 to 2022 was kind of the high watermark you saw it through tyranny and covid 0.73

00:37:22.640 and blm and you know and you know super duper gayness you know with target with like like 0.76

00:37:28.400 what were they the the things that like hide your breast chest binders for little girls yeah and so 0.81

00:37:34.900 all so they overplayed their hand what we need now i think in in the providence of god if he

00:37:40.120 would be so kind is to show us oh these weren't just the one-off rare occasions for you know the 0.59

00:37:46.200 extreme you know manifestations of the lgbt mafia but we need is uh for more glenn greenwalds to 0.98

00:37:53.780 come out like even the good guys who are teaming up with the conservatives they're super duper 0.91

00:38:00.060 gross um and and i think with enough of those uh people realize oh this is just par for the course 0.90

00:38:06.700 this is just the lifestyle this is what it means to be gay like i i people think i'm just trying to 0.92

00:38:13.780 be funny when i'm trying to get a rise i'm not um like there's been a 40 year psyop to propagandize

00:38:20.400 people to think that you know will and grace you know or modern family with um mitch and cam or

00:38:26.260 something you know like this there's been this very intentional deliberate psyop and and i mean

00:38:31.700 millions and millions of dollars poured into it billions um to say they're just like you

00:38:37.060 right they um in fact they're better than you because um they're artistic and creative and

00:38:44.380 compassionate and and i just think like the general public needs to be reminded both christians and

00:38:49.420 non-christians alike um that you know like there's all these characteristics of the gay community you

00:38:54.360 know creativity and artistic and yeah but the key defining characteristic of the gay community is 0.99

00:39:01.060 butt sex with a sprinkle of child abuse and until the average person is ready to admit that and has 1.00

00:39:09.340 seen it so pervasively that they can't make it go away it's etched in their brains then we're not 1.00

00:39:14.380 going to be able to put the gay away and we must put the gay away um homosexuals there's only two 1.00

00:39:18.920 places for them to go in a healthy viable society and that's either the cross or the closet so um 1.00

00:39:26.960 at anywhere else on the public square with parades, then that society is committing suicide.

00:39:33.720 A healthy society will always have some individuals who have chosen a perverse lifestyle,

00:39:39.720 but it should only reserve for them two options, that it's sequestered, it's in the closet,

00:39:45.840 it's private, it's not celebrated, it's not approved of publicly, or go to the cross and

00:39:52.940 believe upon the Lord Jesus Christ and repent of your sin and, and then come back and be praised

00:39:57.940 for your repentance and your love for Christ. But, um, so long as we praise sin, um, then we're,

00:40:05.280 yeah, we're, we're doomed. And, and I think part of the reason we're praising sin is because we

00:40:11.240 have found a way very intentionally and deliberately over decades to make that sin

00:40:17.000 look into we like we have really we have really been working hard to polish a turd like a 40 year

00:40:24.140 long turd polishing campaign we're like like all right so it's gonna be hard to get around the 0.97

00:40:30.080 butt sex but how can we somehow you know make this look great it's like well look at look at 1.00

00:40:36.820 their taste in in the curtains and drapes and interior design you know and like oh and they 0.97

00:40:42.420 adopted a sweet little asian girl a modern family and look at how kind they are as parents and i

00:40:47.840 mean we've like we've had to do triple axles and jumping through hoops and um and i think you know

00:40:53.520 the antidote is uh just you know for it to be exposed more and more nope that actually is just 0.56

00:41:00.200 a thin veneer and and the real the real descriptive of of a homosexual lifestyle is disease promiscuity

00:41:11.280 um infidelity abuse uh drug and alcohol addiction drug and alcohol substance abuse

00:41:18.700 um that's i mean that that is the defining characteristics so yeah all right we'll go to

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00:45:34.620 All right, welcome back.

00:45:36.740 Well, what we want to do now in this section is spend a few minutes

00:45:40.680 going through some of the examples of the companies and corporations

00:45:44.540 that have either completely opted out or pulled back on Pride Festival this year.

00:45:50.320 and it was um it was again encouraging because as i was researching this it was i there are way too

00:45:58.220 many for us to even go over right now there were a lot of companies white pill way back yeah so this

00:46:04.560 is this is a good thing one of the questions one of the things to understand before i go through

00:46:08.980 this list is how this whole system has come about so there's something called the human rights

00:46:13.960 campaign which has nothing to do with human rights um it was started in the 70s actually the 80s it

00:46:19.660 It changed names from what it was in the 70s.

00:46:22.280 It was started by a guy named Steve Ndian,

00:46:26.220 who was a gay man in the 70s

00:46:28.200 and started the Gay Rights National Lobby in 1978.

00:46:33.080 And it transitioned then,

00:46:34.960 it rebranded itself to the Human Rights Campaign.

00:46:38.260 And what this has done is it's garnered a lot of donors.

00:46:43.760 And so it built up a lot of money.

00:46:45.220 And then what it began to do was,

00:46:47.120 it has a lobbying arm um for lobbying the the government the u.s government and and state

00:46:52.660 governments but primarily what it has done it has gone to corporations and companies and human

00:46:59.860 resource divisions and universities and has put pressure on them to make it um desirable

00:47:09.040 for them to quote unquote be an ally of the gay rights movement the lgbtq movement and so

00:47:16.360 that one of the most powerful things that they have in their disposal is their what they call

00:47:21.620 their equality score i think that's what it is and it's a rating that they give to major companies

00:47:29.280 and and universities around the country and they rate these corporations and companies

00:47:35.720 based on how affirming and supportive and how much of an ally they are to the lgbtq movement

00:47:43.440 And that score, that desire to have a high score on that has led many, many companies

00:47:52.740 who have really nothing, like their business doesn't even run in the sectors that would

00:47:59.320 be somewhat adjacent to what you said, Joel, earlier, the stereotype of gay rights.

00:48:04.560 So it's not a fashion company, it's a finance company, BlackRock.

00:48:08.040 um what's the uh the airplane manufacturer not boeing um anyway um delta no no no they fly

00:48:17.820 airplanes um like so so i'll remember it in a minute um companies that have really no 0.80

00:48:27.360 adjacent space with the gay culture they get told look we are going to assign you a score this year

00:48:34.380 And it's going to rate how much of an ally you are to the gay community.

00:48:39.080 And then we're going to publicize this score. 0.91

00:48:41.280 And that threat or incentive, however you want to look at it, has been enough to convince

00:48:46.300 many corporations to, for instance, in June, put things on their website or to design a

00:48:53.880 line of clothing just for June that's pride, gay affirming, et cetera.

00:48:58.000 So there's two ways that companies manifest their support. 0.86

00:49:02.240 One is if they're in a sector like Nike, they might design a line that is all about pride and it has their disgusting flag and colors on it.

00:49:15.200 And so they'll run that line for all of June.

00:49:17.600 So if it's a company that makes sense in kind of some sort of space where they can kind of brand the pride colors and logo all over the place, then they'll do that.

00:49:26.960 But there are other companies that that doesn't make as much sense with, like Comcast, the telecom company.

00:49:35.920 But what they do is they get pressured into being major sponsors of the big pride festivals in major cities around America.

00:49:47.380 And so each of the cities has its own kind of independent organization.

00:49:51.580 So the San Francisco Pride Festival is its own organization.

00:49:55.520 there's one in toronto there's one in new york there's one in dc chicago all over the all over

00:50:00.160 the country but the equal rights commission comes in and they say look it's not like you can release

00:50:05.520 a line of clothing that will support pride but you can become one of our premier donors and for most

00:50:11.600 of these uh organizations that is 175 000 or more to the monthly pride festival going on in that

00:50:20.640 city and so what we're going to see are some examples of companies who have either stopped

00:50:27.760 some sort of clothing line or what they've done is they've stopped being one of the kind of the

00:50:32.980 diamond level donors of these independent city pride festivals and the big ones of course are

00:50:39.460 new york um san francisco chicago uh some of the other ones and so it's not that um you know

00:50:48.100 So Anheuser-Busch is funding all of it.

00:50:51.760 They might just be a donor to the pride parade or festival in their local city.

00:50:57.560 But that's enough to get them this score of extreme ally or the highest possible ranking that you could get.

00:51:04.520 And so when we say that brands are pulling back from their support of the LGBTQ movement, they're either not releasing all the products they did in previous years or they have withdrawn their financial support.

00:51:18.100 of these local pride parades and pride celebrations.

00:51:22.540 So the one that really I think we have to start with

00:51:26.980 is Anheuser-Busch.

00:51:28.260 Now, of course, they own Bud Light.

00:51:30.680 That was the Dylan Mulvaney fiasco two years ago,

00:51:34.220 and it's amazing.

00:51:35.100 They have still not recovered from that.

00:51:37.140 They've come back a little bit,

00:51:38.280 but they're not where they were two years ago

00:51:40.160 before that happened.

00:51:41.440 What's interesting is they actually have

00:51:43.700 a 30-year track record of supporting

00:51:46.560 the pride festival in st louis um major major major donations 30 years in a row so the dylan

00:51:55.460 malvaney thing it was it pushed the trance button but it really was just a continuation

00:52:00.040 of the support that they had been showing for a long time this is supposedly the

00:52:03.620 great american beer company right that stands for traditional american values no 30 years

00:52:09.520 they've been an ally 1995 and this this year they withdrew all of their funding

00:52:16.080 from that local pride parade in St. Louis,

00:52:21.920 which to me is huge because that's a long time. 0.68

00:52:26.660 And that was back before it was kind of maybe beneficial

00:52:32.260 to jump on the bandwagon like companies have

00:52:35.300 over the last couple of years

00:52:36.360 as the LGBTQ movement has reached its fervor. 1.00

00:52:40.660 Now, that was back in the 90s

00:52:42.240 when a Burgerville had been passed, had not been passed.

00:52:45.620 it wasn't the cool hip thing that all the companies were doing they really were doing

00:52:50.700 this for a long time almost from the ground level not quite but i think that i'm spending a little

00:52:56.040 longer explaining anheuser-busch because that is a significant one to me the fact that they've been

00:53:01.300 in the game so long and then they're now pulling back to me is really a big deal we were saying

00:53:06.880 before we started that uh it's probably the dylan milvaney thing happened it wasn't even like a

00:53:11.220 public can so this was not something like you'd walk into walmart and there's an ugly face would

00:53:15.040 be greeting you at the beer wall it was literally just a small line of cans and i have to think they

00:53:19.760 were they were shocked that it caused any type of wave yeah wait a second we've been sponsoring

00:53:23.800 pride for 30 years which kind of goes back to my point earlier that something's happened that

00:53:27.920 people finally got to the point where they're like i am not seeing this ugliness pushed even

00:53:32.420 on my beer can and i'll pick a different beer it's kind of the perfect product to say you like

00:53:36.640 you people have tried in the past to boycott walmart or nike but like honestly when it comes

00:53:41.520 to favorite quality when it comes to the location like maybe walmart's all you have around or maybe

00:53:46.320 you run track and nike makes the best shoes but beer is kind of that perfect thing because there's

00:53:49.980 always going to be options whether you're at the bar whether you're at the grocery store so it's

00:53:53.580 the perfect product it was a perfect terrible mascot for it that catalyzed that blowback that

00:53:58.700 cost them i mean billions in market cap right yeah yeah it did absolutely billions their stock went

00:54:04.480 way down yeah uh real quick pause uh nathan there's someone in the chat i'd like for you to ban

00:54:09.220 insert meme. You want to ban this person from the chat because they're quoting a Viking Bible

00:54:18.020 and a bunch of pagan Norse mythology. I want to ban them because they have a pit bull in their

00:54:23.980 profile picture. We are not the same. But yeah, the philosophical pit bull, let's go ahead and

00:54:29.780 ban them with their pagan godless propaganda, but perhaps just as bad, their pit bull propaganda.

00:54:40.220 We love the truth, and we also love children. And both of those things are threatened,

00:54:46.860 one, by their content from the Viking Norse god mythology, and children are threatened by pit

00:54:52.540 bulls that rip them to shreds. Under Christian nationalism, all pit bulls will be lined up and 0.74

00:54:57.540 shot. Okay. We can continue. Do you want to hit that super chat real quick? Yeah, this is Nick 1.00

00:55:02.900 Bonner. He's followed us for a while. Really generous. Nick, we appreciate you. Thank you so

00:55:08.580 much. Nick will not be banned from the chat, especially with donations like this. So he gave

00:55:14.520 us 70 bucks. Very generous. Thank you, Nick. He said, I'm especially proud to support Right

00:55:19.820 Responses' Righteous Crusade against sodomy this month. Thank you. We really appreciate that.

00:55:25.340 yeah good all right um so i was mentioning the cities and their pride festivals and the the

00:55:32.080 budgets for these things have become multi-million dollar a year budgets that they have and then they

00:55:38.040 take these and they that's what they throw their parades and their events and they're going into

00:55:42.540 schools and their story hours and all this kind of stuff but these city pride festivals have hit

00:55:49.300 major funding hurdles because so many corporate sponsors have backed out so nate let's show quote

00:55:55.200 number one on here this is from an uh from an article in the guardian um and it says in another

00:56:02.560 blow to one of the largest celebrations of lgbtq plus people in north america pride toronto has

00:56:09.280 unexpectedly lost two major corporate sponsors just weeks before the festival in a setback the

00:56:14.080 festival's organizer says is directly the result of donald trump's campaign to eradicate diversity

00:56:20.220 equity, and inclusion initiatives in the U.S.

00:56:23.740 And this is a quote from the organizer.

00:56:25.780 These are American companies,

00:56:27.620 and they are showing their true colors, said Modesta.

00:56:30.860 We thought they were with the community,

00:56:33.500 but clearly they're not.

00:56:35.760 It warms my heart.

00:56:37.680 I love that.

00:56:38.600 I love that.

00:56:39.560 What I find fascinating here is

00:56:41.240 I found this in a lot of the news articles.

00:56:44.080 They are not willing to say

00:56:46.460 this is just a perverse ideology.

00:56:49.900 So many of them circled back to it's because Trump has put pressure on DEI.

00:56:54.680 And so it's because he's pressuring the boardrooms and he's making the the commerce, the commercial climate hostile to DEI.

00:57:05.440 They will not acknowledge that it that it might be about sodomy.

00:57:09.940 Oh, it's a more benign explanation, but it ties to what Joel said earlier.

00:57:13.060 I remember 2022 being the pinnacle of pride.

00:57:16.440 I mean, they were practically painting your sidewalk in your neighborhood.

00:57:19.780 Your HOA was coming down, just painting pride flags like it was everywhere.

00:57:23.440 But a big part of that was we were in a time of 0% interest rates. 0.76

00:57:26.820 That's true.

00:57:27.280 It didn't cost you anything to carry debt.

00:57:29.540 And so companies were doing these big expansions, whether it was in manufacturing, whether it was in hiring, whether it was in investments.

00:57:34.600 And so you have just tons and tons of cash, honestly, floating around.

00:57:37.540 And so that's when you're much more likely to say, hey, you want $200,000, the city of pride, Biden's in the office, we're all in on this.

00:57:44.280 I think a big part of it, not the only thing, but a big part was a couple of years ago,

00:57:48.420 money, cheap money, no borrowing rates.

00:57:50.880 That was really easy to come by.

00:57:52.220 And so they were happy to write the checks versus now.

00:57:54.580 I mean, we know the friends and people in our church even that have experienced layoffs

00:57:58.360 or downsizing, whatever it is.

00:58:00.260 Capital is a lot harder and it costs a lot more to maintain.

00:58:02.960 So these big companies, no repentance, of course, but they're tightening the buckle

00:58:06.860 and they're like, yeah, it's St. Louis pride.

00:58:08.260 Like we're just, we're not giving 200 grand to that.

00:58:10.360 We're going to keep a couple more staff on board because that's the decision we're facing.

00:58:13.400 Right.

00:58:13.760 that's a good point

00:58:14.740 okay just a real quick list

00:58:17.340 still love it

00:58:18.860 still love it

00:58:20.540 so the New York Pride

00:58:22.920 organization lost four of its

00:58:25.640 five primary donors

00:58:27.440 so Garnier the shampoo company

00:58:29.580 dropped out, MasterCard

00:58:31.680 dropped out although

00:58:33.400 the company said they will still be

00:58:35.460 supporting, they will be participating

00:58:37.860 in the parade, they're just not going to

00:58:39.620 fund it

00:58:40.580 but big big

00:58:43.260 sponsor that that isn't funding it at all target target is this is a really interesting one

00:58:48.200 the target last year pulled way back right and then there was backlash against them from the

00:58:54.360 lgbtq community this year target actually approached the um the new york pride um

00:59:02.500 foundation or committee and said hey we'd like to sponsor you and they said no go pound sand you

00:59:08.000 turned you back on us last year we don't want your money anymore so i love it it's fantastic

00:59:12.980 yep um and i said mastercard already um comcast um that's just a smattering of them so

00:59:20.520 yep um nate let's look at quote number two here if you don't mind

00:59:26.200 so this is um this is going to lead into what i think is really the interesting story here

00:59:34.640 this is from an article talking about why major companies are stepping away from pride this year

00:59:45.020 and the article says this it's not like big business and the government ushered us this is

00:59:50.680 someone speaking on behalf of the lgbtq community it's not like big business and the government

00:59:56.440 ushered us to a place of progress and then suddenly abandoned us lgbtq plus communities

01:00:01.580 imagined a better life for themselves, communicated their expectations and hopes to audiences,

01:00:07.360 architected structures for community connection and equity, and then co-created a better world

01:00:12.580 with increased value and equity. What I find so interesting here is this is actually the veil

01:00:17.200 pulled back a little bit. They really are creating an alternate reality and have been

01:00:22.240 from the beginning. And in a lot of the articles I read, it was a, well, Target dropped us,

01:00:29.800 anheuser-busch dropped us but we managed to create a false reality once and we're just going to do it

01:00:35.920 again and what i find so interesting about that is they the organizers of these things know what's

01:00:41.420 going on this really is a clash between reality and non-reality or two visions of what reality is

01:00:47.300 and they are resolved to push their view of reality regardless of whether or not they lose sponsors or

01:00:53.960 The black pill on this is that most of these cities, these pride organizations in these cities, made up what they lost from the corporate donations by going to private donors.

01:01:06.140 And most of them were able to make up their entire budget for the year.

01:01:09.780 Right. The companies aren't ideological.

01:01:11.700 Yes.

01:01:11.980 They just want to make a buck.

01:01:14.480 But the LGBT community, they are committed.

01:01:19.480 Yes.

01:01:19.680 And they're going to keep pushing.

01:01:21.680 They're not just doing it as capitalists.

01:01:23.960 They're not just doing it to turn a profit.

01:01:26.900 They're doing it because they actually believe in what they're doing

01:01:30.600 and they're going to do it with support or without it.

01:01:33.200 Could you name a couple more of those companies?

01:01:34.780 I heard Comcast.

01:01:35.580 I heard MasterCard.

01:01:36.740 These are a lot of digital commerce companies, aren't they?

01:01:38.620 A lot of them.

01:01:39.380 Lockheed Martin is the other one I was thinking of.

01:01:41.120 They're the ones that make the airplanes.

01:01:42.520 Okay, gotcha.

01:01:43.580 But these are huge.

01:01:45.140 These are international businesses.

01:01:46.280 In the case of MasterCard, it's an international business based on usury.

01:01:49.660 you have to to connect the dots kind of between huge companies international with outside profits

01:01:54.940 outsized profits return because they operate at such big scale sponsoring these pride events at

01:02:00.480 the local level like st louis pride would not be possible right a giant beer conglomerate right

01:02:05.800 that manufactured billions and billions of gallons of beer all across the united states

01:02:09.240 was sponsoring them a local beer distributor they just they wouldn't do that they wouldn't have the

01:02:13.120 capital nor would they be interested nor would they want it in their town yeah you have some

01:02:16.480 these big corporations doing terrible work by sponsoring these pride parades so you can look

01:02:21.020 at them and you could say your usa id for sure your government grants and these big massive

01:02:26.340 corporations that were more than happy to write seven six seven figure checks yeah let me tie the

01:02:32.000 bow real quick on kind of the good news so um just a couple of statistics 39 of corporations

01:02:38.600 are scaling back external pride month engagements this year um so of the ones that supported pride

01:02:45.860 in the past for almost 40 percent of those pulled out or pulled way back which is pretty significant

01:02:52.980 um nine oh i'm sorry 50 57 of companies that are federal contractors plan to reduce external

01:03:01.860 engagement highlighting the risk of federal investigations and then um the the chart that

01:03:08.660 we're going to look at in just a moment i want to read this first and then we'll go to it

01:03:11.860 And the risk for engaging around LGBTQ issues has increased 42% since this time last year.

01:03:20.620 So, Nate, let's look at chart number two.

01:03:22.880 And this one is super interesting to me.

01:03:29.780 Not this one.

01:03:30.820 It's the pink, the one with the pink background.

01:03:35.200 Uh-oh.

01:03:36.180 Yeah, this one.

01:03:37.360 OK, so this is a chart that the line, what it shows is the perceived risk to a corporation if it puts a statement out in support of that particular issue.

01:03:53.720 So it has various social issues, racial equity and DEI, LGBTQ and equality, climate sustainability, et cetera, et cetera.

01:04:02.680 So the top three are the ones that are interesting, at least for this episode.

01:04:07.360 racial equity and dei lgbtq and then well i guess climate is a different issue so if you see the

01:04:15.040 graph going up what that means is companies according to their own polling and data perceive

01:04:21.340 that taking a stand on a particular issue is increasingly risky for their bottom line so the

01:04:28.140 higher the number is on the chart the more company says if we say that we're going to lose money and

01:04:35.760 that's the confidence that the companies have that if they take that stand it will affect their

01:04:41.120 bottom line so this is over the last three years uh no not even that one year q1 2024 to q1 2025

01:04:49.900 and it's gone um with the lgbtq issue it's gone up three points which doesn't sound like a lot

01:04:58.020 but it's on a 10 point scale so that's like the 30 percent increase on the lgbtq issue that

01:05:05.840 fortune 500 companies have just said if we take a stand on this it is going to affect our bottom

01:05:11.880 line at least in the u.s which 8.6 out of 10 yes this is close to the biggest issue yes that would

01:05:18.020 impact our bottom line so lgbtq if i understand what you're saying lgbtq plus on that issue

01:05:24.040 companies are saying it's more risky and over the last year yes they've big time they they're

01:05:30.040 saying it's far more risky like a 50 year ago there was like almost zero risk at least in their

01:05:36.360 opinion i think that's speak out in favor of lgbtq oh it starts with six you're right so so i i view

01:05:42.220 that from basically like six to almost nine so like almost a 50 percent increase so like a year

01:05:46.660 ago they're saying whatever let's say it's like um there's a moderate risk and now it's um it's

01:05:53.060 50 percent more risky in their assessment so now it's like a high risk you know or moderate to

01:05:59.340 high risk on that issue and then racial equity and dei yeah say it's a little higher yeah well

01:06:06.140 it's higher overall but it started higher yes it started higher so uh that one increase hasn't

01:06:10.400 been as much yeah so that one started higher but again this is uh this isn't the last 20 years

01:06:14.860 Q1 2020. So that kind of makes sense to me on the heels of BLM so overplaying its hand

01:06:22.000 that by the beginning of 2024, they were basically saying this is already risky to push racial equity

01:06:29.800 in DEI. And then a year later, beginning of 2025, they're like, this is a suicide basically to push

01:06:36.800 this. Climate change looks like it went up just slightly briefly, and then it became a little

01:06:42.960 more risky you know maybe people were uh tired briefly you know for a quarter with the climate

01:06:47.920 you know uh worship but then kind of went right back down so climate has stayed the same

01:06:52.320 uh but what's what i'm not understanding about the chart is it seems like um

01:06:57.520 it seems like immigration has become less risky slightly but um but over from from q1 2024 to q1

01:07:08.980 2025 um that like them emphasizing positively immigration um is or it could be negative not as

01:07:17.100 risky so it could be viewed as less risky to speak negatively of immigration same thing with crime

01:07:21.580 and safety here so speaking negatively like high crime is impacting us it's becoming less risky

01:07:26.480 for stores just to come up and say hey we're closing x y and z like walgreens we're closing

01:07:30.500 these locations it's high crime it's a lot of our products okay that was my question and maybe

01:07:35.160 maybe that's the answer yep um the other issue is immigration i don't feel like has been as

01:07:42.860 pushed onto the corporate world um i don't feel like a year ago there were massive you know nike

01:07:49.800 wasn't really getting involved with immigration to the scale to the degree that it was pride or

01:07:54.220 dei or things like that so i don't know yeah well i mean for nike it's like i don't see how

01:08:00.440 immigration would be profitable like for them it's like i'd like to keep these eight-year-old

01:08:06.180 children in china right so that i can pay them you know 50 cents a day why are you if they moved

01:08:11.900 to the u.s yeah we might have to pay them like like five bucks an hour that's right so i can see

01:08:17.120 why nike would not find it profitable and hey you play a role in this i email stores in my local

01:08:20.880 town if i see pride balloon stuff like that yeah i am disgusted i was here with my kids why is this

01:08:26.240 here you literally you should be taking out your email you see a store in your town especially

01:08:30.800 locally owned so not a chain not necessarily your walmart although you can certainly email the

01:08:34.640 manager but local stores hey i saw this here i will not be shopping again i'm disgusted with it

01:08:39.640 you get 10 emails like that a local store in a month let me tell you what they're not doing it

01:08:44.020 again like practically speaking it's free it is completely legal as a customer to voice your

01:08:49.440 complaints i'm not advocating anything illegal and you can go and you can blast them and say i am

01:08:53.840 disgusted to celebrate this and i will not be shopping again right i i demand bigotry yeah

01:09:01.260 that's right you will my town where you will not get my patron let's hit this second chart and

01:09:07.760 that'll wrap up this segment i found this one particularly interesting as well actually sorry

01:09:11.700 this is the third chart it's the second chart of the segment yeah that's the one thanks nate so

01:09:17.460 this one i need to explain for a minute this is the title says the share of executives who said

01:09:22.820 each stakeholder is driving their company to change its pride engagement in 2025. Okay, the

01:09:29.700 font, the words are a little small on the screen. So the top row is, sorry, the columns are what

01:09:37.580 kind of business it was. So the first column is all companies who responded or the CEOs of

01:09:44.360 companies who responded. The second two, B2B and B2C, these are companies whose business is

01:09:51.920 in what sector. So B2B is business to business. They provide products for businesses. The B2C

01:09:58.800 is companies or corporations who provide products and services to consumers. It's a different thing.

01:10:04.800 Okay. So these CEOs of these companies were polled and asked, why did you change your pride

01:10:12.200 engagement in 2025? The number one reason, the top row is pressure from the new administration.

01:10:19.880 so when you combine all respondents together on average 61 percent of ceos who made a change

01:10:27.600 to what they were doing with their company with pride in 2025 said they did so because of pressure

01:10:34.180 from president trump's administration now not to toot our own horn here but this is exactly what

01:10:42.900 we're saying is the option when the state gets involved imagine if this was actually a godly

01:10:48.900 magistrate and not just

01:10:50.280 wanting to return to some sort of

01:10:52.680 yes exactly

01:10:53.600 this is a 90s democrat and he hasn't done anything

01:10:56.580 so Trump did not roll in day one 0.90

01:10:58.260 he's like being gay is illegal 0.65

01:10:59.660 he should have but he didn't even do that 0.73

01:11:01.720 like they renamed the USS Harvey Milk 0.61

01:11:04.120 which is the gay activist

01:11:05.900 and all of that and they renamed a ship 0.94

01:11:08.160 literally even just that

01:11:09.620 and kind of their general adversarial

01:11:11.660 stance towards it that was enough

01:11:13.880 for 60% of CEOs to say

01:11:16.060 we're kind of feeling

01:11:18.040 in the heat and we're gonna back away yeah incredible it absolutely is i get my news from

01:11:24.220 memes so i choose to believe i i know it's not true but i i just sleep better if i if i force

01:11:31.080 myself to believe it's true so uh seeing some of the uh the ai doctored videos where it's like trump

01:11:36.820 signing an executive order that says uh the the the gay voice is now illegal yeah you'll be uh 0.59

01:11:44.660 put in jail for using the gay voice um i like to believe that that's who trump really is yeah 0.77

01:11:50.140 that's one of my constant prayers is god make trump half the man that my enemy's a quarter of 0.60

01:11:55.080 yeah yeah yeah okay nate put that back up if you would please um because i think some of the other

01:12:00.980 the top one is is a huge win the next most significant reason why ceos changed their

01:12:08.460 position on pride this year was threat of backlash from conservative activists or consumers and wes

01:12:14.040 this is what you just mentioned when you write or call your neighborhood store your neighborhood

01:12:19.200 walmart whatever hey i saw the display you had up it disgusts me knock it off i'm not shopping

01:12:25.680 there until you do um the third one was pressure from conservative policymakers and this was 20

01:12:32.620 about 20 percent of ceos said that they felt pressure from conservative policymakers look at

01:12:37.840 the very bottom there was only a seven percent this is the opposite really is how i'm interpreting

01:12:44.740 that on net or on average there was a seven percent concern the seven percent of them were

01:12:51.440 concerned with backlash from progressive activists or consumers this this is the lgbtq

01:12:59.380 stranglehold losing its grip yeah these ceos said only seven percent of them said yeah i was i was

01:13:06.360 factoring in what progressive activists or consumers would care about the decision that we

01:13:11.960 made. That's very, very significant. And the reality is that the LGBT mafia is very loud

01:13:21.320 and very committed. So it's not that like they let up, but the vast majority of people are not gay. 0.92

01:13:27.900 yeah and um you know and so for most people you know the reason why this this minority got so much 0.95

01:13:37.420 you know the squeaky wheel got so much grease was because they were loud but but it's not just

01:13:42.500 because of them and them being organized and deliberate and loud uh but because you could

01:13:48.460 you could count on you know the average normie who's not actually lgbt themselves um they're not 0.54

01:13:55.860 gay but uh but they were still underneath the spell they were still underneath the gay propaganda

01:14:02.500 and thinking well it's just inclusion and they just want the same rights as us and you know

01:14:07.260 this that and the other and i'm telling you like i i really think like one of the most powerful

01:14:12.340 things is uh the release of of stories of like uh so here's some gay men and here's uh that you

01:14:20.120 know the the child you know sex syndicate that they were running you know underground and uh

01:14:26.760 here's how they were actually you know they adopted two twin boys and they were actually

01:14:30.880 trafficking them out to their gay friends um to sleep with you know 11 year old twin boys um

01:14:37.940 and that that's not a hypothetical that's an actual story and i think the more and it's and

01:14:42.960 it's not like those stories aren't prevalent they are right but the more of those that get exposed

01:14:47.620 the more than the normies lgbt community of course is like they're going to just you know 0.71

01:14:52.460 scream even louder because they don't care about children you know but but for the average person 1.00

01:14:56.840 they're going to say wait that's what being gay is about you know it's the meme it's like always 0.97

01:15:01.200 has been but if you can wake the normie up to see how perverse um the the sodomite community really 0.90

01:15:09.680 is then uh that's a much larger crowd and so in terms of you know economic power and influence 0.50

01:15:18.320 right we we have way more power um with you know heterosexuals and companies are just going to 0.94

01:15:23.920 chase the dollar right so if all the normies you know get red pilled on oh man gays are like really 0.99

01:15:30.260 gay they're gross they're really gross uh then then they'll be like no i don't want that i oh 0.99

01:15:37.180 that like so the rainbow that what that actually stands for is um the spread of disease and 1.00

01:15:43.780 substance abuse and child abuse like oh no i don't want that in my my local target you know and and

01:15:50.200 then target will say yes sir you know and get it out that's that's exactly right and one of the

01:15:56.400 lessons from this whole um whatever 50 years 60 years is the what i said it earlier in the episode

01:16:07.100 one of the biggest tools that the ERC, the Equal Rights Campaign, had was this award that they were able to issue.

01:16:15.320 And one of the things, we don't think about this too often.

01:16:18.580 It's a bit abstract, but we've lost the awards.

01:16:21.300 Think about the Pulitzer Prize or the Newbery Award book for children's books or even the Oscar, the Golden Globes,

01:16:28.900 like all of the awards that are given out.

01:16:31.140 I can't say all of them.

01:16:32.400 I don't know all the awards.

01:16:33.300 But many, many, many of the prestigious awards that are given out in culture are given to people who promote filth. 0.82

01:16:41.820 And one of the things that I think a Christian society will have is we will, the government is told to punish what is evil, but it's also told to reward, to praise what is good. 0.76

01:16:55.020 And we need a society, again, where we are affirming, publicly affirming, of those individuals and people and corporations who affirm and promote and produce that which is good.

01:17:10.000 Now, that's a couple steps down the road, I think.

01:17:13.100 I mean, we don't take over the academy and even building new awards.

01:17:15.980 But this ERC, they were able to give their equity score within about a decade of them beginning the Equal Rights Campaign.

01:17:24.000 i mean that would it really not that long and that score became a major factor to convince

01:17:30.640 corporations you guys need to jump on board with this even though you're in a sector that

01:17:35.500 doesn't seem to have any connection to our movement at all we need a new index but it's for 0.62

01:17:40.280 how likely they are to hire heritage americans right you'd shoot for a 99 like we are the place

01:17:45.560 that will hire americans yeah work american buy american manufacture american yeah and and men

01:17:51.340 prioritizing men with livable wages so that their wives can actually have children um i so i have a

01:17:58.480 question that i'm just curious what you guys think and in the chat maybe you guys could respond those

01:18:03.600 of you who are watching it live um i don't even like part of me doesn't even want to ask the

01:18:08.120 question um because it's it goes against you know my convictions and uh and or not even my

01:18:14.460 convictions that's not true um it goes against my hopes what i hope would be the reality but i'm

01:18:20.000 not convinced it is the real reality hence the question so here's the question i wonder from

01:18:24.580 like 2020 to 2024 because basically what we're saying is that you know 2020 to 2022 is kind of 0.94

01:18:31.040 like the high watermark on all things gay and we're starting to put the gay away uh praise god 0.90

01:18:37.200 and um and i guess my question is um on one hand because i could see multiple factors you know so 0.85

01:18:45.780 why like what's happened so one we're entertaining like is there a return to christian values is a

01:18:51.800 return to christ that's number one so does this represent at least in part um a genuine bona fide

01:18:58.340 christian revival you know or reformation and and we hope so and i think that that could be

01:19:02.920 one characteristic we do see young men returning to the church so i'm gonna i'm gonna go ahead and

01:19:07.400 put a couple tallies in that category um but but i i think all three of us would agree that we can't

01:19:13.780 say that's the exclusive cause right that's that's kind of the point of the episode we're

01:19:17.320 talking about well there's corporations incentives and there's economic incentives and there's all

01:19:21.700 these other things so part of it um a return to christ i think at least part of it um we hope for 0.94

01:19:27.020 more but um but at least part of it and so praise god for that uh so why are we putting the gay 0.88

01:19:31.720 away um partly a return to christ um partly uh because gay is just not as profitable as it once 0.92

01:19:38.400 was uh partly we're also saying because of the arrogance of the lgbt communion uh community 0.70

01:19:43.300 communion um community and uh there is like an lgbt communion i've seen the the blue-haired

01:19:49.600 feminist priestess you know uh you know yeah pretty pretty terrible blasphemy but um so part

01:19:56.240 of it is uh they overplayed their hands so part of his return to christ part of it is economic

01:19:59.900 incentives and corporations following the dollar part of it is um the bad guys overplaying their

01:20:04.620 hand getting too cocky and um and people you know it's just them going you know uh crossing the line

01:20:10.320 and going a step too far and it just you know um causing disgust in uh the public here's here's

01:20:17.500 another factor that i just thought of that i'm just going to pose as a question i don't really

01:20:21.760 like you know because uh and just for the record when i say i don't like it what i mean is um i

01:20:28.120 i'm an american and so i like my hope is that heritage americans um that they would actually 0.91

01:20:36.320 be revolting against um the the perversion of lgbt and that they're actually changing and 0.81

01:20:45.440 and perhaps even repenting um i hope that it's not some other cause um that's lending towards

01:20:52.520 this transition but there's one big one that i can't help thinking of which is from 2024 yes 0.60

01:20:59.300 the left overplayed its hand with you know gay this they gayed everything everything was gay

01:21:03.480 but also something else happened from 20 to 24 that's fairly significant which is by my assessment

01:21:10.080 and some of the things i've read about 40 million immigrants came into the country um about um i

01:21:17.540 think it was about um i forget like three to five million that were legal about nine to twelve

01:21:23.920 million that were illegal and so about 20 million legal and ill illegal that are on the books and

01:21:30.700 then i'm i'm doubling that which i think even that might be conservative for gotaways and people that

01:21:36.740 weren't recorded um well here's the thing um immigrants are going to vote for democrats for

01:21:43.940 financial incentives and handouts and welfare and all these kinds of things and for loose borders

01:21:49.220 so that like you know if you're an immigrant whether it be legal or illegal you're like well

01:21:53.900 i'm going to vote for the guy who's going to let in my cousin you know or my you know 47 cousins

01:21:58.780 you know whatever it might be um but so uh immigrants aren't are no bueno um but um from

01:22:09.200 some of the things that i've read although they they do um like a 90 10 ratio vote democrat there

01:22:15.420 are some exceptions like cubans and things like that but for the most part um immigrants vote

01:22:20.500 democrat like a nine to one ratio versus republican but from what i've read it's primarily

01:22:26.040 for financial incentives welfare free free cash and loose borders for their friends and family to

01:22:32.460 come um it's not uh because uh all these immigrants from other places in the world

01:22:38.520 are you know super gay affirming and so i'm wondering here's my question i'm wondering

01:22:43.720 is part of the tide turning on on america's acceptance of lgbt all things rainbow um is

01:22:54.660 part of it because we have 40 million new people in the country who come from third world countries

01:23:02.000 that have plenty of problems but like rampant homosexuality may not be one of them what do 0.98

01:23:09.960 you guys think my inclination is low due to the political and social capital the most newly 1.00

01:23:16.120 arrived immigrants have so when i think of those that are leading the charge against gay rights 0.98

01:23:20.300 for instance uh like andrew tate is a good example of one dan blazerian there's a bunch of guys that

01:23:25.280 are not at all like immigrant immigrants whatsoever that are really public voices so

01:23:29.600 you think about like well who's talking about this who's disgusted by it who's really you know 0.86

01:23:34.260 catalyzing people to be they're fed up with it it's guys like you joel it's guys like those others

01:23:39.240 i just mentioned so i think those that are people are then listening to them and going oh this this 0.99

01:23:45.000 isn't good we don't want it those definitely aren't immigrants and i also don't think they 0.94

01:23:48.560 have a lot of uh economic capital as well to drive those decisions so like anheuser bush 0.98

01:23:53.480 like i just practically i don't think that was and it certainly could have been but um i just

01:23:59.240 don't think it was the mexican roofers that spoke spanish they're all drinking the ones you know

01:24:03.400 like uh boycotting bud light it was people that were plugged into america's cultural and political 0.93

01:24:08.780 yeah you're right movements okay and so my guess is because of their lack of capital i'm sure it

01:24:14.300 it is somewhat of a factor and certainly islam like they don't like gays and right like i mean 0.67

01:24:19.620 we've had a ton of muslims come in and they're not gay friendly enemy on my enemy they're doing

01:24:23.520 some good work uh so certainly some i just don't think they have the capital that even with that 0.50

01:24:27.920 size i don't know if they've been able to move yeah well just for the record that's i mean i

01:24:33.120 don't know if that's true but that's the answer i was hoping to hear because i like that's my guess

01:24:37.260 that's what i want to be true i i think the same because i want to think that my fellow americans

01:24:41.760 have actually changed i think so because the people who are pushing on it like i thought of

01:24:45.600 robbie starbuck um who's been pushing on it as well and the other thing the other reason why

01:24:53.340 i don't think it is is if immigrants are voting democrat for the financial incentives they'll

01:25:00.620 continue to vote democrat for the financial incentives right they're not it's not like

01:25:04.320 they're they're okay well we've hit this issue and that's well my thought was it wouldn't change

01:25:10.420 their voting patterns um but it would uh in terms of like corporations shifting like so maybe that

01:25:15.980 like yeah like a bunch of immigrants are still going to vote for democrats in the next election

01:25:20.180 but maybe they stopped drinking the anheuser bush and so then that pushed on the corporation and

01:25:25.180 the corporation stopped funding and and that caused some cultural change although politically

01:25:29.360 they're still going to have the same allegiance but but like what you gave wes although that's

01:25:34.500 like um anecdotal evidence like it's it's it's just telling a story it's not like conclusive

01:25:41.940 but it is compelling like when i think of you know a bunch of you know um uh spanish-speaking

01:25:48.640 like immigrants that probably are still buying i think they could have a lot of they just also

01:25:54.820 don't know who dylan mulvaney is well yeah right i think they could have a lot of influence in a

01:25:58.980 local like a school board or something like that and we have seen that where um muslim or mexican

01:26:05.680 immigrants have have basically taken over the school board and and run for school board and

01:26:12.120 gotten rid of a lot of the woke ideology in their local school i'm not sure that's translating to a

01:26:17.980 movement though and i can give an anecdote like my neighborhood i don't know there was some

01:26:22.280 instance somebody called someone a name and so some white woman was like we got a band together 0.84

01:26:26.780 and so she made signs that have all the colors of rainbow including brown they're super ugly

01:26:31.200 it's like equality is equality or something and there's a lot of people who ordered them and put

01:26:35.120 them up so practically speaking i'm not saying like this is at the corporate level and at the

01:26:39.380 personal level the neighborhood level every single person is turning against it there is an 1.00

01:26:43.440 entrenched probably 20 to 30 percent of americans that are like nope and it's a lot of women like 1.00

01:26:48.540 i said the facebook was where this kind of originated so a lot of women and they are for 0.93

01:26:53.480 sure they're like no we doubled down it went badly we got routed in the election have you heard of 0.83

01:26:58.880 the triple down we can do this that's right um so they're not going to go away quietly yeah yeah

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01:30:28.540 We've got some great super chats that we're going to get to in just a minute

01:30:33.640 But kind of to wrap up the discussion

01:30:35.660 I'm going to toss our last question out

01:30:38.200 And it is simply this

01:30:39.740 I introduced the episode by saying

01:30:42.640 Some movements in history have proved to just be

01:30:45.520 A reaction, a pendulum swing

01:30:47.760 Against something that only lasted a couple years or a couple decades

01:30:52.540 and some movements in history and west even indicated we might be part of a larger movement

01:30:58.340 where there really is significant deep and enduring when i say enduring i mean we know

01:31:04.060 entropy and we live in a sinful world and there's no guarantee that something is going to last until

01:31:08.900 christ's return but we're saying significant centuries or millennia even um enduring change

01:31:16.620 that could solidify itself in Western civilization.

01:31:19.080 So the question was, is this a temporary blip

01:31:23.380 or is this part of a much larger return

01:31:27.000 to God's created order that will endure?

01:31:29.900 Now, my closing question or comment is,

01:31:34.720 if we wanna take the momentum of the last couple years

01:31:38.720 that we see even this year with companies pulling out,

01:31:42.200 people seeming to return to a little bit of sanity,

01:31:44.740 what will it take for conservatives or the new right Christians to kind of take the way the ball

01:31:55.280 is maybe rolling naturally and ram it farther down the field so that it entrenches itself and

01:32:03.240 becomes not just a fad but normal behavior to love and uphold God's sexual order. So we've got a 0.70

01:32:11.340 little momentum what will it take or what would it even look like um if if this was a real change

01:32:18.480 and i'll go first one of the things that i think we would see is ceos not just quietly putting away

01:32:25.720 the pride colored logo that they put on social media all last year but actually coming out and

01:32:32.080 saying we did that we regret it it was wrong right so not the quiet pivot but the actual

01:32:37.660 we're willing to not just not support it anymore we're willing to call it out we're willing to

01:32:42.360 distance ourselves from it not because it's not financially profitable but because it's wrong

01:32:46.420 and and wicked so if that were to happen i would say we are in the middle of an actual true

01:32:52.240 cultural revival that would be significant yeah yeah yeah that's a good one and for anybody who

01:32:57.600 thinks that's impossible because even as it was coming out of your mouth michael i was like yeah

01:33:00.860 right yeah but just but think about it like whether it was um the black square you know i

01:33:07.980 remember amazon i mean major major companies you know for you know putting um black square this or

01:33:14.320 that and then and then just um expressly communicating like um like not just what they 0.74

01:33:20.700 were for namely wickedness but what they were again we were against bigotry and we were against

01:33:25.940 those who would seek to you know not include others and blah blah blah and um so it's not like

01:33:31.860 like companies have not publicly yep been willing to um to name something that's evil yep they

01:33:39.360 actually do that quite frequently that's what they've been doing for 40 years it's not it's

01:33:43.620 not just stating lgbt in the positive but it's stating the rest it's stating christians in the

01:33:49.140 negative like companies have been spitting in your face christian and telling you that you're

01:33:53.960 wicked um for decades like actually like actually saying it out loud we you know here at amazon here 0.98

01:34:01.060 at disney we stand against bigotry and uh and all those dirty racists and all those like and so it's 0.94

01:34:07.720 not like um this is not like a like a phenomenon that's never happened um so the idea of a company

01:34:14.780 actually coming out and saying we did something wrong so think of it like here's an example

01:34:19.060 disney to use them again um i remember you know a few years ago watching um jungle book with my

01:34:25.660 kids um and then we you know we since have canceled disney but uh but on their streaming service we

01:34:31.920 had it for you know a hot minute and i apologize i understand under christian nationalism i have

01:34:37.300 to go back in this during pride month i know i need to be deported uh the fact that we ever had

01:34:41.580 disney good news though disney plus is broke oh is it just came out yep well they are they're not 0.84

01:34:47.160 making money yeah they yeah because they're too gay um yeah and here's the thing uh disney is for 0.96

01:34:54.520 kids guess who doesn't have kids like gays you know unless they buy them and so yeah and even 0.96

01:35:03.360 that is fairly rare so i mean that was just a i mean you think of like business strategies 0.99

01:35:08.420 that was a terrible terrible strategy like we have a product for children and we're going to 0.73

01:35:13.520 target those who don't have children cannot have kids um like who biologically can't have children

01:35:18.400 yeah that's i mean that was that's pretty funny um so but anyways uh so jungle book uh put like

01:35:24.820 a um like a warning on the beginning of the film um so we were watching it uh a few years ago

01:35:30.900 because it's a great movie and we were watching it with the kids and the kids loved it and i loved

01:35:35.060 it was like one of my favorite movies when i was a kid and uh and it says like and but it was

01:35:40.300 literally like it was repentance now i'm not saying it was like true like christian repentance

01:35:43.860 but it was uh the form of repentance to say we regret um because there's the scene in jungle

01:35:49.780 book where um uh i want to walk like you talk like it's a great song and uh so it's like king

01:35:57.160 louis who's the orangutan and then he's he's the king of the monkeys and balu and bagheera and

01:36:03.920 mogli you know mogli gets captured and balu dresses up like a monkey like a gorilla to you

01:36:08.960 go undercover so that he can you know befriend king louis and all this happens through a song

01:36:13.440 sequence so that he can try to rescue mogli and get him out of there because he's been taken

01:36:17.680 captive because king louis wants to be like a man and so he's captured the man cub so that he can

01:36:22.640 learn the secret to fire and and uh and be like a man and but like um all the uh the the uh the

01:36:29.520 singing and the dialogue all the talking is um is is kind of like like um southern black jive 0.80

01:36:37.760 right like like a like a very a very obvious um black stereotype you know jive that um that black

01:36:46.640 people because it's an old movie that black people in the south during that time did speak like that

01:36:50.780 now i'm looking at it i'm like this was actually i think like really um really progressive of

01:36:58.200 disney right to hire all the because because i looked into it they they hired all these black

01:37:02.440 voice actors interesting so it's not like they just got a bunch of white guys to do the you

01:37:07.120 know the black uh voice they actually uh and i think they even use black musicians like blues

01:37:12.240 musicians um to to do the uh the song and and um uh this this keynote song for the film but the

01:37:19.820 point is at the beginning of the film nowadays they've added this um this public repentance

01:37:25.440 where they're like we regret um giving into harmful stereotypes i'm paraphrasing blah blah blah blah

01:37:32.140 and and to be fair there was like there was one portion where it's not just doing the voice you

01:37:36.760 know an accent but there's uh one one portion where baloo he says uh um he gets he gets mad at 0.51

01:37:43.340 king louis and he's like that's it you mangy and i think he says like you mangy knuckle dragging

01:37:50.140 but he just goes off and it's like at that point it's like this is too on the nose it's like really 0.68

01:37:55.820 clear what what disney is getting at right now the hyenas in lion king they're black women yeah

01:38:01.700 for sure no that's whoopi goldberg did you know that are you serious whoopi goldberg is the voice 1.00

01:38:07.600 actor for the lead that checks out yes uh-huh um that's problematic it's like black and and jewish

01:38:13.640 you know it's a weird thing but um but the you hear my point my point is just to say companies 1.00

01:38:19.420 even major companies like disney um it is not uh that we're secretly you know that we're just

01:38:25.460 hoping and wishing upon a shooting star for something that's never happened on god's green

01:38:29.860 earth to take place no like this has happened with major companies like disney just in the last few

01:38:35.760 years and so all we're asking is for it to happen in the other direction yes instead of instead of

01:38:41.100 we repent over our bigotry we repent as a company i could actually see this by the it would have to

01:38:50.020 be a work of god but i'm a christian i kind of believe that god does work from time to time so

01:38:55.180 So I'm feeling really, and it's Wednesday, gosh darn it, it's White Pill Wednesday, you know?

01:38:59.800 And so like God is faithful, he is kind, he can win by many or by few.

01:39:05.720 It's not chariots or horses, but the battle belongs to the Lord.

01:39:09.500 It's not by might nor by power, but by my spirit, says the Lord.

01:39:12.620 And God could absolutely use his people in such a way that they put enough pressure on Disney

01:39:17.340 and even higher up executives in Disney are converted by the power of the gospel, become

01:39:22.080 christians or even perhaps better yet that that would be good i don't want to downplay that but

01:39:26.600 young right-wing christian men who are talented and gifted work their way up through the channels

01:39:34.480 and and and recapture some of these companies like disney and then all of a sudden there's a public

01:39:39.560 repentance at the beginning of of certain disney films that say um instead of one direction we

01:39:45.540 repent of our past bigotry

01:39:47.800 and the other direction says

01:39:49.060 as a company

01:39:51.520 devoted to

01:39:53.420 children's movies

01:39:54.860 we repent for pushing

01:39:57.360 perverse ideologies

01:39:59.760 that endanger the well

01:40:01.720 being and health of children

01:40:03.340 we love children made in the image of

01:40:05.620 God and we want to be a company

01:40:07.500 that seeks to protect them

01:40:09.000 you're going to need a new CEO

01:40:10.800 definitely going to need a new disease 0.99

01:40:12.980 that is true

01:40:14.740 yeah yeah and uh is it igor still yeah bob they came back because isn't he the one that uh elon

01:40:21.040 in that one clip he called out he was like he's like talking about you bob remember maybe yeah

01:40:26.120 he stepped away for a minute he did and then they imploded because there was one moment where elon

01:40:30.640 like he kind of like he lost it and kind of in a good way in my opinion and showed showed his hand

01:40:36.800 and he was like um you know and he used language that i wouldn't use but he was like they were

01:40:41.300 talking about all the advertisers pulling out and he was like i'm talking about you bob and like f 0.93

01:40:45.680 f you for like what are you gonna do with all these he's like f him screw him you know and then

01:40:50.700 it's like and it's like spongebob episode is like uh two hours later he's at the wailing wall 0.53

01:40:55.920 apologizing for his anti-semitism and that literally happened i think it was like two

01:41:01.740 weeks later you know like paying penance but but my point is that um i think elon when he had that

01:41:08.720 that um that episode of where he was like calling out the guys who were like trying to tank twitter

01:41:15.040 since he took over it by you know with uh withdrawing all their advertising dollars i

01:41:19.920 think he called out the ceo of disney by name i think because he said bob and i think he was

01:41:24.320 referring to um disney so anyways all right yeah so that's my so you answered the question that's

01:41:29.320 how i'm answering the question so i'm agreeing with you i'm saying yeah god could do this wes

01:41:32.460 my answer is how do you what makes the difference and i think it's will and i've been studying a

01:41:37.920 with momentums with political movements you actually have a pretty narrow window a lot of

01:41:41.680 times to get things done so uh think of you know even black lives matter you honestly had about two

01:41:46.680 to three years maximum where you had kind of maximum momentum people were on your side you

01:41:50.760 were going to get money that window has completely closed so right now we have that happening right

01:41:55.540 now instagram reels is that's where a lot of people are honestly getting red pilled so we have

01:42:00.140 social media there's loosened restriction and censorship going on so people are finding out

01:42:04.620 things about lgbtq and everything like that world war ii this that or the other so people are getting

01:42:09.520 red pilled but you've got to capture the momentum quickly and you have to take people you have to

01:42:14.280 channel into action that's one of the things i said hey email your local store that's putting

01:42:17.860 up a pride flag go run for it we just talked about this on monday run for political office

01:42:22.100 because one of the big things that happened with george floyd was uh everybody was willing to be

01:42:26.420 a little bit uncomfortable and to say it they were willing to confront people about the saturday

01:42:30.680 other racism. I remember, you know, friends on Facebook, like white people, we need to dig in

01:42:34.900 and we need to do this. So people had the will, they had the energy, they were willing to confront 1.00

01:42:39.400 a little bit. So you have to capture and encapsulate that and not over 10 years, but in like

01:42:44.620 two and take that and push it down the field as far as you can go to get people scared to put a

01:42:49.820 pride flag up, to get people scared to advertise for it, to get people scared to sponsor, to make

01:42:54.840 even in your local town. I mean, we've been doing this for years. Your local pride organization

01:42:59.740 should fear holding an event 1.00

01:43:01.960 because they know Christians will surround them 0.97

01:43:03.800 and sing and preach. 0.94

01:43:05.320 That is literally practically how you shut it down. 0.80

01:43:07.620 Now activating those young men

01:43:09.120 and getting them involved

01:43:10.140 and getting churches together to all do that,

01:43:12.460 that takes time, that takes energy,

01:43:13.900 that takes momentum.

01:43:15.160 So capitalizing on that as much as possible

01:43:17.160 to move the ball locally,

01:43:18.500 I think you kind of codify this momentum

01:43:20.840 we're kind of feeling, these pullbacks,

01:43:22.760 how you really take that

01:43:23.840 and slam the door for good, hopefully,

01:43:26.240 is take that will and do as much with it as you can.

01:43:28.480 Yeah.

01:43:28.580 okay okay let's go to the super chats chats um so here's some questions is uh some of these are

01:43:35.020 not super chats but west yeah the first one addresses you so go for it uh ufc easy money

01:43:39.960 good brother yo west sorry and off topic but some guy was ripping on you on some youtube video said

01:43:45.320 you talk like a valley girl i told him to debate you guys but he says he's blocked he most certainly

01:43:49.920 is blocked um never really cared what he's had to say lions don't lay down at night you know they

01:43:55.740 get down they get done with all their business for the day and they go uh what are the sheep

01:43:59.820 thinking of me and they stay up till like 2 a.m like what are they saying am i popular they don't

01:44:04.540 care yep uh i i just want to add to that real quick i like how you skipped over the name um

01:44:10.200 there's just different like we we need to be strategic we need to be wise and so there's

01:44:13.980 different strategies um with different individuals so there's there's some individuals where it's

01:44:19.280 like um if they have already uh name recognition and a lot of notoriety and a lot of influence then

01:44:24.900 it's good to name them yep um but if it's somebody who is uh just holding on to your coattails and

01:44:32.160 and trying to bring themselves up um and and actually has a pretty small footprint you know

01:44:38.200 small following then it's it's better to just um like when it comes to debates and stuff like that

01:44:43.560 um i all you would be doing um in in engaging uh with an individual like that is just raising their

01:44:52.080 their platform right and um and you don't want to do that um and that's that's just not strategic

01:44:57.220 and when you're thinking of like okay so who's worth engaging part of it is looking at uh size

01:45:02.200 and following of those things but part of it also is looking at not just the size um because there

01:45:07.560 can be guys who are smaller who are who are good faith and um and also just gifted they have a

01:45:13.720 smaller um uh footprint for now you know digitally but they they really are up and coming and they

01:45:19.600 So it's not just size.

01:45:21.900 One other thing that I would say to look at is key in on discernment ministers, discernment ministers.

01:45:32.100 So a discernment minister, like all Christians, we're actually commanded to exercise discernment.

01:45:39.480 And we're doing that regularly on the show.

01:45:41.320 I mean, in this episode, a lot of what we're talking about is discerning this and discerning that.

01:45:45.220 But when I say a discernment minister, I'm talking a discernment channel ministry.

01:45:51.860 I'm talking about a particular type of ministry or organization or individual who, they're

01:45:59.520 not actually teaching principles.

01:46:01.460 They're not actually pushing the ball forward.

01:46:03.980 They're just, they actually are just, their whole platform.

01:46:08.380 Like we talk about grifting, you know, people like, oh, you're grifting, you're grifting. 0.92

01:46:12.020 I'll tell you, I'll tell you the quintessential grifter.

01:46:14.200 the quintessential grifter is the guy who um every every week is putting out a video

01:46:21.140 not on a topic not on a theme not on a doctrine not on a political event but on one person one

01:46:29.560 particular person so like so even if he's right for instance all right so i'm some of the guys

01:46:35.860 who are right i want to honor them as best so i won't name them but you guys will probably know

01:46:40.220 you know you'll some names will pop into your head of like maybe joel's talking about so and so

01:46:44.600 and chances are i i i probably am but uh so even if he's doing it in the right direction so for

01:46:50.180 instance uh let's say it's somebody who um who has made a career right it's not like they've

01:46:56.980 addressed joel osteen once or twice or benny him once or twice or even 10 times but like it's like

01:47:03.040 this guy right now is sitting in his um his office home office and he is cooking up his you know

01:47:11.020 387th video i'm bidding in you know um that that guy and and that's that's 90 of what he does

01:47:19.620 so 10 of the time he actually talks about a theme or principle or an idea you know or or even a text

01:47:29.260 expositionally opening the text and teaching it but 90 of the time it's um it's uh on you're

01:47:36.240 scrolling through youtube it's a thumbnail his picture you know and then picture of joel

01:47:44.200 osteen real big you know benny hen it's like uh joel osteen said what in yesterday's sermon

01:47:50.960 right right uh exclamation point question mark um brothers and sisters i again i'm not trying

01:47:58.600 to disparage because there are a couple guys like that who are truly brothers in christ who do this

01:48:02.880 um but by and large um you're talking about um you're talking about a low iq individual

01:48:11.000 um you're you're not talking about someone who is um truly pushing the ball forward for the cause

01:48:19.580 of christ um anyone can build a platform that way so when you find all the way back to as this

01:48:27.220 pertains you know the answer that Wes gave with this particular individual when you find someone

01:48:31.320 doing that with you right so like if I'm Joel Osteen which praise God I'm not but if I'm Joel

01:48:38.140 Osteen you're half of it you're Joel yeah I'm halfway there halfway there but if I'm Joel Osteen

01:48:43.040 um I'm not I'm not tossing and turning in bed at night thinking right so and so um I just did

01:48:51.800 a YouTube video on me being a prosperity gospel preacher. I'm giving it zero thought and zero

01:48:59.580 attention. I'm not going to give it an ounce of oxygen. And so too, you know, if you find yourself

01:49:06.340 on the new Christian ride or whatever you want to call it, and you get to the point where there 0.54

01:49:12.060 are entire channels where like everything is devoted to Joel Webin is a false teacher. You

01:49:19.140 You know, Joel Webin is a false teacher.

01:49:21.380 Wes has a Valley View voice.

01:49:23.680 You know, like, really the best course of action is to ignore it.

01:49:29.400 These are not serious people.

01:49:32.100 And they really think that they're doing something for God.

01:49:34.640 So I don't doubt their genuineness. 0.93

01:49:39.840 But you can be retarded and genuine. 0.89

01:49:45.340 That's true. 0.98

01:49:46.220 That's me.

01:49:47.020 So I'm not doubting their genuineness.

01:49:49.140 I think they really believe they're doing God a service.

01:49:52.200 Just like the Apostle Paul, when he was still Saul,

01:49:54.920 really believed he was doing God a service 0.99

01:49:56.460 as he was rounding up Christians 0.99

01:49:58.380 and organizing their execution.

01:50:04.100 He was very zealous for the Lord.

01:50:06.420 He believed he was doing God a service.

01:50:08.720 But if you find someone, and this does not,

01:50:11.240 don't take this too far, right?

01:50:13.840 Because we're all sinners.

01:50:16.260 I'm a sinner.

01:50:16.700 So if this is like somebody and it's not their MO and they voice like thoughtful disagreement on one episode that Right Response Ministries does, then they might just be right.

01:50:32.800 You know, they might just be right.

01:50:33.880 And that might be worthy of responding to.

01:50:36.560 But if this is somebody who it's like, every tweet, every video, every comment that they produce is, Eric Kahn is bad.

01:50:48.140 And their next one, and I'm really going to switch it up here, Joel Levin is bad.

01:50:52.360 And then Eric Kahn is bad.

01:50:54.200 Joel Levin is bad.

01:50:56.300 Don't engage, don't boost their audience.

01:51:00.340 Like, please, for the sake of Christ's kingdom and the advancement of his kingdom,

01:51:04.540 strategically speaking these people only exist because we've engaged them and given them oxygen

01:51:10.300 don't do it and i've done it too and that's a mistake don't just block them and move on yep

01:51:15.560 yep okay good let's hit the super chat for cameron cameron stevenson cameron stevenson

01:51:21.620 999 super chat great brother great supporter really appreciate the donation cameron said this

01:51:26.920 i've seen some posts on x claiming that this is based on the doctrine of total depravity and that

01:51:31.420 are born under the curse of sin some people are born gay agree or disagree i want to start with

01:51:37.980 michael what do you think i mean born gay i think we would say born with a propensity to desire

01:51:48.300 with a greater propensity or inclination yes same-sex i would i would say no one is born gay

01:51:53.980 in the sense that it's used now or it's your identity and this kind of flamboyant lifestyle

01:51:57.980 and things like that but with to use the modern evangelical term same-sex attraction i i don't

01:52:04.320 know um i don't think we know why this happens yet i'm inclined to think that it's probably not

01:52:12.300 born that way um because god has a lot of moral responsibility given to this act you know and so

01:52:24.380 when when when it's when it's done it's it's always an act of rebellion it's always an act of

01:52:29.360 um being given over to to a depraved um passion um i think i think that even joel you've told

01:52:41.280 the story before when people were more honest about this um and it wasn't such a charged topic

01:52:46.800 right people would gay men have said things like well i you know something happened in my life

01:52:52.240 that triggered me to go this way,

01:52:53.440 whether looking at pornography or abuse or things like that.

01:52:56.840 And they just did so much, more and more and more and more

01:52:58.660 to eventually it was just a progression.

01:53:00.660 To me, though, the question is,

01:53:02.260 and I'm not saying Cameron is doing this,

01:53:03.680 but often when this question is asked,

01:53:05.540 there's an assumption in there that if they were born that way,

01:53:08.700 they're not as morally culpable for it.

01:53:11.180 And that is not true because all of us are born in sin

01:53:14.240 and all of us are incredibly and intensely

01:53:19.240 and specifically morally culpable for the sins that we commit,

01:53:22.740 even though under our sinful nature,

01:53:24.720 we actually had no option and choice

01:53:27.500 but to repeatedly over and over and over again

01:53:30.400 sin against God until we were saved.

01:53:33.940 And so it kind of depends on where the question is going.

01:53:38.040 If it's to kind of give a pass to them,

01:53:42.660 no, there's no pass.

01:53:44.040 We're all guilty for our own sin.

01:53:46.600 If it's just a question of like,

01:53:48.060 why do we see it so strongly now i i don't know i suppose it's possible but i'm inclined to think

01:53:54.080 that it's it's probably not intrinsic yeah so 100 my thoughts on this because i've thought about it

01:54:01.260 for a while and i you know i there's plenty of things i've thought about for a while and uh

01:54:05.940 and after careful thought and consideration i land on the wrong conclusion so so i could still

01:54:10.400 be wrong but um first i would say 100 agreement with michael in terms of um moral culpability

01:54:15.600 So in terms of like, well, if a person is, you know, born gay, then it's not their fault, you know, and they're morally, you know, innocent.

01:54:25.080 No way. No way, Jose.

01:54:26.720 So the moral culpability remains whether your propensity towards a particular sin is higher or not.

01:54:33.980 So that, I think, we have universal agreement, not just between the three of us, but the Christian church over 2,000 years.

01:54:40.120 Like, we're responsible for the sins that we commit, period.

01:54:43.380 but to take the question and broaden it just a little bit i think it can be helpful so to me

01:54:49.280 the larger question here to not just make it about you know gayness homosexuality the broader

01:54:56.960 question is can individual people or perhaps peoples be born with greater or lesser propensities

01:55:09.300 towards some particular sins as opposed to others so like so you could fill in the blank here with

01:55:17.360 you know at the very end of this question the question again is i've seen some posts on x

01:55:22.440 claiming parentheses based on the doctrine of total depravity and that we are all born under

01:55:27.140 the curse of sin close parentheses that some people are born gay agree or disagree so again

01:55:33.100 to say it shortly i'll leave the parentheses out i've seen some posts on x claiming that

01:55:37.540 some people are born gay agree or disagree to broaden that um you could just ask um

01:55:44.960 so replace gay with um theft could i give an example i don't want to interrupt you but i

01:55:52.180 have a perfect example for this okay pcos and women polycystic ovary syndrome it's a syndrome 0.95

01:55:57.480 it's genetic where a woman has higher than natural levels of testosterone testosterone is tied to

01:56:02.380 aggression it's tied to assertiveness it's tied to unfeminine features and so we know genetically

01:56:07.780 like this really happens that a woman because of genetic factors because of influences in the womb

01:56:12.540 will literally be born with a greater difficulty in expressing feminine traits of non-combativeness 0.99

01:56:19.700 of quietness of gentleness of all of those things not taking away the moral culpability but to that

01:56:24.900 can someone be born could a woman be born with a greater uphill battle towards exhibiting those

01:56:30.080 virtues a quiet and gentle spirit the answer is literally we know the answer it's yes and so to

01:56:34.820 without even like if the listener is thinking and so is he leaking linking that um to you know so

01:56:40.900 if she's born with some more masculine traits then um she's therefore born with a higher propensity

01:56:47.160 towards being a lesbian like without even making that that um leap let's just let's just start with 0.88

01:56:53.020 the the sin of you know so first peter uh says that a woman should learn uh i'm sorry that's 0.68

01:56:58.120 1 Timothy, but 1 Peter says that the imperishable beauty of the heart for a woman is a quiet and

01:57:04.940 gentle spirit. And so we can derive pretty clearly from Scripture that to go against, for a woman,

01:57:12.740 to go against having a gentle and quiet spirit, to have a combative, domineering, aggressive spirit, 0.79

01:57:20.480 loud spirit proverbs speaks of the loud woman uh to be a loud woman um is a loud and harsh instead

01:57:28.280 of quiet and gentle to be a loud and harsh woman is to sin whether that ever manifests itself um 0.63

01:57:35.140 in lesbianism or not just just to be a loud and harsh woman is a sin and can we find uh certain 1.00

01:57:43.480 biological traits and and a biological explanatory power for some women being having a higher 1.00

01:57:55.560 likelihood of being loud and harsh and other women having less of a likelihood or in the

01:58:05.160 other direction more of a likelihood of being gentle and quiet i i really think you can answer

01:58:09.460 that question as uh in in the affirmative you can say yes i think that's true um now i don't

01:58:17.780 i'm going to make one more example take this with a a pretty large grain of salt because this is how

01:58:24.380 you know the gay community has argued for homosexuality being moral is by uh trying to 0.86

01:58:29.220 find it in the animal kingdom and it's like well you know uh this one particular species there's a 0.94

01:58:34.440 thousand species out of millions just for the record so the it an extreme extreme extreme you

01:58:40.700 know minority but they'll say there's a thousand species and i'm not even convinced that's true

01:58:44.440 but a thousand species um that occasionally engage in homosexual you know behavior um and

01:58:51.440 therefore uh it's natural you know and um it's like well you have praying mantis you know the

01:58:57.360 female praying mantis literally eats the head bites the head off of the male praying mantis

01:59:02.800 after coitus um and so therefore like human beings should start doing that like that's that's 0.97

01:59:07.560 a stupid argument that said my boy alex jones got to throw him here into the mix the frogs really 0.99

01:59:14.480 are turning gay you know and uh and so here what am i saying okay like tying it all together um 1.00

01:59:20.760 we can if we're thinking biologically we absolutely so take gay aside for a moment 0.96

01:59:26.760 we absolutely can prove that men's testosterone levels

01:59:32.000 have gone down dramatically in just a few generations.

01:59:37.100 The average man's grip strength has gone down

01:59:40.100 to where the average man who's 25 years old

01:59:42.640 has the same or less grip strength as a man in his 70s

01:59:48.320 just two generations ago in the 1950s.

01:59:52.600 um and so like literally physical strength for men has gone down testosterone levels for men has

01:59:58.800 gone down and there are there are chemical explanations for this also with uh things in

02:00:04.520 our water supply uh things in our food this is part of what you know rfk jr is is doing you know

02:00:10.580 with um with maha you know make america healthy again with from food dyes to seed oils like these

02:00:18.340 are not just moral or spiritual like uh seed oils um uh affected my sanctification well first

02:00:27.460 may maybe uh and i wouldn't want to use that category of sanctification but first what we

02:00:32.280 can say for sure is seed oils affected your body they affected your body physically your physical

02:00:37.800 body and um and so if we're talking about generations of of chemical impact um uh

02:00:46.940 poisonous food and less nutritious real food ultra processed food we've talked about diet

02:00:52.940 and all these kinds of things and and clinically um um observable not just slightly but like where

02:01:00.080 where the average testosterone level is a fraction of what it was just two generations

02:01:05.980 ago and all and then you can see the same kind of thing in women where it's uh higher with with

02:01:12.380 biological conditions like PCOS, you know, where it's increased aggression and these kinds of 1.00

02:01:19.300 things. Then back to the broader question, not are people born gay? Gay right there would be a

02:01:24.140 specific case study. But conceptually, just the broader principle, can people be born with a 0.64

02:01:32.920 greater or lesser propensity towards one sin category one arena of sin um uh versus other

02:01:42.240 people can one individual biologically have a greater propensity to sin in one area than another

02:01:50.040 person i feel like i have to answer that question with a yes yeah and so now whether or not that

02:01:57.020 applies to um homosexuality um i would i would have to do more research on that um but to me

02:02:05.760 it's it's not impossible so 100 agreement with michael in terms of um in either case the moral

02:02:12.060 culpability remains you no one's going to get to stand before god and say well um are you going to

02:02:18.420 send the frogs to hell because i'm just the same as them you know the same there's that disease in 0.89

02:02:22.320 the water yeah the water made the frogs gay and it made me gay too you know and and i was a frog i 0.99

02:02:27.280 was a griper you know it made all the frogs gay including me you know i posted a hitler meme you 0.81

02:02:33.820 know and and that turned me into a frog and then the water turned me into a gay frog and therefore 0.88

02:02:38.100 you know i'm not morally culpable for um for being a queer uh no you are you are and so uh absolutely

02:02:44.960 doesn't uh because the call of christ on every man whether you're born gay or not the the call

02:02:51.820 of christ is you must be born again you must be born again that's the whole that's the whole

02:02:58.000 impetus of of the christian faith is that of course we're born sinners so if we're merely

02:03:03.640 asking the question can some people be born with a greater propensity to sin in one category than

02:03:09.140 another i i just i i i feel like yeah that's probably true um i think that's probably true

02:03:16.080 even at a biological level not just culturally and not just nurture not just parenting those

02:03:22.040 have massive effects and i don't want to minimize those at all fatherlessness you know or gentle

02:03:27.240 parenting growing up in in uh where your parents are atheists and you never went to church and

02:03:31.620 education you know and all these things like massive effects so nurture there's no question

02:03:37.880 nurture has an effect on a person but but can there be a nature effect from that really is can

02:03:45.360 be categorized as being biological. This person biologically is going to be weaker to resist

02:03:54.620 a particular temptation, moral temptation, than somebody else. I think that the answer to that

02:04:01.920 is yes. That's speaking biologically, but now speaking biblically, but the moral impetus

02:04:10.640 remains the same. To live a holy life, to not gratify the desires of the flesh,

02:04:18.060 and if your particular flesh has greater particular desires, the verse still is universally true. Do

02:04:24.840 not gratify the desires of the flesh, but walk by the Spirit. Don't do what's natural

02:04:30.700 due to your first birth, physical birth, but be born again. So to me, the answer to that question,

02:04:39.160 whether it's in the negative or in the positive poses zero theological threat to christian

02:04:45.840 beliefs so that that's why i'm i'm open to saying yes because it's not i think some people the gay

02:04:52.440 community like i i i remember like you know that being kind of like a gotcha question for christians

02:04:58.760 you know like uh like like we got you you know um this it's not a gotcha question that like this

02:05:05.400 this would shake my faith um and and the the inerrancy of scripture and all zero zero faith

02:05:12.940 shaking zero this poses zero threat to historic um christian beliefs because because the call

02:05:21.160 for every single person is to repent of our sins and believe the gospel and not walk um in

02:05:27.140 accordance with the flesh but but in accordance with the spirit to be born again to have a new

02:05:31.980 nature and so none of this uh should be threatening so therefore because it's not threatening

02:05:36.480 if there is any scientific evidence um then i don't want to be biased and feel like i have to

02:05:44.240 ignore it in order to maintain my religious beliefs right so i feel like i can look into

02:05:49.680 you know straight into the science um hopefully actual science and not the science tm and say

02:05:57.280 okay, you know what? There are some biological conditions that would make some women more 1.00

02:06:04.520 aggressive than others. There are some biological conditions that would make this generation of men 0.97

02:06:10.620 lower T levels than previous generations. And so then with that, could that lend towards

02:06:18.980 a greater inclination towards particular sins for women and particular sins for men? 0.93

02:06:25.360 I think the answer absolutely is yes. 0.55

02:06:27.260 The only question remaining is, 0.90

02:06:29.060 what about this one particular sin, namely homosexuality?

02:06:32.240 And I feel like as a Christian, you could say no,

02:06:35.040 you could say yes, neither one is heretical.

02:06:38.080 But I guess my answer is, I think it is possible.

02:06:41.760 I think, and a lot of this is honestly,

02:06:44.240 a lot of these thoughts that I've had

02:06:45.840 and expressed over the last few,

02:06:47.200 is a lot of just, it's just my own personal repentance

02:06:49.680 for the heresy of Gnosticism.

02:06:52.680 I just think that the church at large and myself personally, I just, I gave way too much into over-spiritualizing everything where nature was not just of little account, but of no account to where, but it's like God created a physical world and it's real and it matters and it has significance.

02:07:13.660 So the spiritual, of course, is of greater account.

02:07:17.540 What's eternal is, of course, more important than what's temporal and physical.

02:07:22.920 But we're not Gnostics.

02:07:24.540 We have physical bodies.

02:07:27.160 We do actually have testosterone levels, and they can be higher, they can be lower,

02:07:32.480 and that actually does have an impact on behavior.

02:07:36.200 These things are real. 0.72

02:07:37.360 And I think Christians should be able to embrace the physical, denying Gnosticism,

02:07:42.720 but without becoming a biological determinist to where it's only the physical right and there's no

02:07:49.020 spiritual element at all if you if you go that route then you've abandoned christianity you just

02:07:55.040 you might as well just be a pagan norse god and we can get so and so back on the chat if he'll

02:07:59.420 if he'll recant his pitbull um affection so i would say too with this condition it's a it's 0.77

02:08:05.740 always a complexity of factors so it's not as simple as a gay gene it's not as simple as something

02:08:10.180 terrible happening to you in childhood, for example, being molested. Someone actually brought 0.99

02:08:14.200 up parasites, and I think there's validity to that. There's a parasite, toxoplasma gandyang,

02:08:21.080 that causes a condition called toxoplasmosis. When rats have it, they become sexually attracted

02:08:25.460 to the odor of cats. So we have parasites that we know alter the sexual proclivities of rodents

02:08:31.780 to actually lead towards their own destruction. Homosexuality is, of course, destructive. So 1.00

02:08:36.180 whether it be parasites, whether it be, we of course know that abuse in childhood inclines

02:08:40.300 a child towards that. We know fatherlessness. We just talked about potential. I have not seen

02:08:45.900 some type of like for sure genetic inclination, but say that it maybe exists out there that would

02:08:50.880 incline someone somewhat. Someone could have all of these factors and yet still the Holy Spirit

02:08:55.540 in sanctifying work keeps them from ever indulging in it. Or someone could just have one, but through

02:09:01.440 one process after another of a dulling of the conscience, they go on to indulge, even though

02:09:05.660 they don't have parasites and they never, you know, experienced something traumatic in childhood.

02:09:09.760 It was propaganda. So with these things, whether it be like addiction to drugs, alcohol, pornography,

02:09:14.460 homosexuality, there's a multitude of inputs that go into it, both spiritual and both natural,

02:09:19.360 and they matter. It would never be like, well, it doesn't matter. I'll, you know, I'll infect 0.76

02:09:23.560 myself or I'll take on whatever it is. Like, no, we actually want to live healthy. We want to do

02:09:27.680 these things because they do matter and it can actually help sway the balance. But exactly to

02:09:32.160 your point, Joel, the spiritual matters too. And the spiritual can actually over and above all of

02:09:36.840 these things, such were some of you, you were washed. The spiritual can take it and can say,

02:09:41.080 I don't care how you were born. I don't care how you were raised. I don't care what happened to you.

02:09:44.720 None of that matters because I've made you a new creation in Christ and you have the power

02:09:48.280 to resist. Whether it's the smallest thing from drug use, whether it's all the way up to homosexual 0.97

02:09:52.200 behavior, none of it is nail in the coffin, no hope. Look at how I was raised. This was always

02:09:57.800 going to be me amen well well said because that i think that is paramount within you know biblical

02:10:04.200 orthodoxy and christian faith is um like if god saves a meth head um like the the spirit

02:10:12.920 sanctifying work in my life to keep me on a daily base uh basis from indulging in meth is not that

02:10:21.560 much you know right like it doesn't like the holy spirit and you personally yeah me personally the

02:10:26.440 the Holy Spirit's not like working overtime.

02:10:29.140 Like, it's like, man, I'm firing on all cylinders

02:10:31.380 to keep Joel away from meth, you know,

02:10:33.440 because it's just like, even before I was a Christian,

02:10:36.220 you know, I never, by the grace of God, you know,

02:10:38.520 but I've never had a day in my life where I was like,

02:10:40.500 man, if I could only find some meth, you know,

02:10:42.260 like, that's just, that's not my thing.

02:10:44.660 But for a meth head who's been doing it for years and years

02:10:47.520 and then God saves him, then that's a, for him,

02:10:51.200 that's a major piece of his sanctification

02:10:53.220 is resisting that temptation

02:10:55.920 that is now chemically ingrained

02:10:58.060 within his flesh, his body,

02:11:00.320 he's craving.

02:11:02.260 So there's the habitual factors.

02:11:04.460 So even once his body is completely detoxed

02:11:07.720 and all these things,

02:11:08.360 which could take a very, very long time

02:11:10.000 for every trace and every...

02:11:11.820 But even when he's biologically restored,

02:11:14.660 there's still even the habitual,

02:11:16.580 the nostalgia and the memory.

02:11:19.320 And so there's the habitual element for him.

02:11:21.540 At least initially, there's the biological component for him.

02:11:25.200 His body is literally craving, physically craving meth.

02:11:28.440 And so for him to be born again and resist that temptation

02:11:32.700 is a mighty, powerful work of the Holy Spirit.

02:11:36.800 And so that's undeniably true.

02:11:40.700 But what we don't want to say is that for some people,

02:11:45.220 the biological component is just too far gone to where the Spirit can't do it.

02:11:50.100 right that is um just categorically unchristian fatalism that yeah we we don't believe that no

02:11:58.040 matter how far gone someone is um no matter where they come from no matter what's in their dna no

02:12:05.080 matter like you come from some tribe that's been worshiping demons for a thousand years it's like

02:12:10.220 yeah you're going to have some disadvantages no question and we don't want to deny the physical

02:12:14.500 component. But that person can be saved. And if they are saved, then the biblical requirements

02:12:21.480 for obedience to Christ's commands are incumbent upon them, just as it is anyone else. And the

02:12:28.960 Holy Spirit can sanctify them in such a way that the power, we have to believe the universal

02:12:35.360 Christian truths. And a big one of them is that so long as we're in this life, the presence of

02:12:41.480 sin remains but the penalty of sin has been paid and the power of sin has been broken and when i

02:12:47.420 say the power of sin being broken that doesn't mean that in this life we reach a state of sinless

02:12:51.840 perfection no one will but what it does mean the power being broken so presence remains but power

02:12:57.300 is broken power is broken what's that what that's referring to is not that christians will no longer

02:13:01.900 sin because the power is broken but what it does mean is that christians no longer have to sin

02:13:06.200 They're no longer enslaved to sin. It is actually a possibility, not just hypothetically or in

02:13:12.880 theory, but it is a real possibility for a Christian, if they're born again, no matter

02:13:18.140 what their background, no matter what their physical, biological disadvantages or anything,

02:13:23.620 it is, as someone who is born again in Christ by grace through faith and who is a temple

02:13:30.440 of the holy spirit it is a viable possibility that they can um resist sin and so and that's why

02:13:38.440 i'll leave it with this i haven't mentioned it because i don't want to mention it i don't want

02:13:42.220 to get in the weeds uh with this but you know every everybody's seen it at this point the

02:13:46.420 debate between james white and cory mauler um my opinion is like well what do you think whose side

02:13:51.860 are you on like this is what i'll say my my opinion i i just want to go on record saying this

02:13:57.960 i would have never taken that debate i i absolutely hate the framing i feel like the

02:14:05.380 framing was an automatic like automatic loss like that you were stepping into um a no-win

02:14:12.600 scenario and and i think you know to to not just say it myself but to you know to include somebody

02:14:18.400 else so you know i'm not i'm not alone here stephen wolf uh dr stephen wolf is a good friend

02:14:22.800 he put out a tweet like the day after the debate came out i i assume he watched it or part of it

02:14:27.660 um but i thought it was i thought it was simple but it was insightful a really good tweet

02:14:32.480 and uh and he just said um he said sanctification is not the right category like this is he said

02:14:40.220 it's something along the lines he said it's a shame because this actually is an important

02:14:43.640 conversation um but but um it's an important conversation that was lost um due to the framing

02:14:51.600 because he said sanctification is not the proper theological framework for this conversation

02:14:56.720 and then he began to explain that just briefly but by saying that like he just said he spoke

02:15:02.820 for himself personally he said i wouldn't even know how to begin quantifying sanctification

02:15:06.980 right how do you quantify it how do you qualify what is sanctification and what components does

02:15:11.200 it affect but like because we're talking about the ability of a society to produce art and

02:15:16.140 philosophy like is that is that under the category of sanctification and at what point does this

02:15:22.260 become innovation and a societal innovation versus something that's strictly moral. Moral

02:15:30.420 belongs to sanctification. And so all that being said, I think the conversation over nature and

02:15:35.920 how it affects peoples and distinctions, that's a conversation worth having. But having that

02:15:41.240 conversation and placing it into the category of sanctification that some people cannot or will

02:15:48.220 not ordinarily will not be as sanctified as others um i my position what do i think about the debate

02:15:54.320 i think that that was incredibly unhelpful that was incredibly unhelpful and um and i think that's

02:16:02.060 precisely why because yes i did watch it because everybody else is watching i'm a reformed pastor

02:16:07.000 i knew people my church will watch it i wanted to be um up to date um and briefed on it and and i

02:16:13.540 guess the final thing i'll say is this um i you know it was a bad framing to call it sanctification

02:16:20.080 and one of the indicators that was a bad framing is the fact that uh that cory had to spend a

02:16:25.920 significant amount of his time um giving all the qualifications of like and but technically and this

02:16:33.200 is what you know um and and so then it's like then why do you even do the debate with that framing

02:16:37.600 and and here i can only speculate and but my guess would be um that that it's likely that um

02:16:44.860 that maybe perhaps that's the only way that dr white would have taken the debate that that

02:16:50.220 perhaps the framing was um on on white's part um and and cory perhaps thought that the only way

02:16:57.820 that he would ever that this was his the ship would sail and this was his one chance to ever

02:17:02.700 be able to um debate dr white and so he had to surrender on the framing and then and then his

02:17:09.860 strategy was to try to knowingly that he had to surrender on the framing that he would try to make

02:17:14.940 it up uh with all of his qualifications in the debate but personally um not not demonizing either

02:17:21.640 one of them but personally for myself um if that was the stipulations of the debate i will not

02:17:26.880 debate you on the differences of people unless we categorize it as sanctification then my answer

02:17:31.980 would just be a resounding, comfortable no.

02:17:34.020 I will not enter the arena with that debate.

02:17:37.280 I'm not going to debate the spirit of God's ability

02:17:41.520 to sanctify different peoples.

02:17:43.960 So anyways, yeah.

02:17:45.660 So all that being said, back to the question,

02:17:47.620 can people be born gay? 0.87

02:17:49.200 Maybe, that's my answer, maybe. 0.86

02:17:51.880 Maybe some people can be born gay,

02:17:53.740 but the Holy Spirit can sanctify anyone, anyone.

02:17:57.380 So, all right, well, thank you guys.

02:17:58.940 I feel like that's all the time we have.

02:18:00.120 j-dog super chat one dollar thank you thanks j-dog appreciate that okay thank you guys for

02:18:04.520 tuning in and i hope you've been blessed by this episode thank you michael for outlining it and

02:18:08.600 bringing all that research to the table and lord willing we'll see you guys on friday

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