The NXR Podcast - THE LIVESTREAM - Responding to Critics： Fertility, Beauty, & Submission

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00:00:16.280 You and I both know that this ministry is willing to talk about things that most ministries

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00:00:21.860 We need this content for the glory of God to reach more people's ears.

00:00:30.000 so defiant baptist went ahead and clipped out a short brief moment from one of our past live

00:00:39.720 streams in that moment that brief clip maybe two three minutes long we were talking about women

00:00:46.920 and how there is a depreciating value when it comes to being well just an eligible bachelorette

00:00:55.500 desirable for marriage. We were saying as a woman ages, that beauty is fleeting. As the scripture

00:01:02.180 says, speaking of physical beauty, we were also talking about a woman, the longer she lives

00:01:07.440 outside of being under the headship of her father, but as an independent single woman,

00:01:13.000 not coming under the headship of a husband, she's kind of growing, kind of set in her ways as being

00:01:21.360 her own head and probably losing some flexibility and ability to submit to male headship. We also

00:01:28.540 talked about fertility, just the biological clock that is ticking a lot faster, a lot quicker than

00:01:36.340 many women of the modern age would like to admit. And so that was clipped out by Defiant Baptist

00:01:42.300 and posted on X. And I'm pleased to say that the people loved it. They really did. You could feel

00:01:50.540 the Christmas cheer in the air. I mean, people came out and drove saying, this is a kind of

00:01:56.020 reasonable discourse that we need to see more of from pastors online. Of course, I'm being

00:02:03.280 sarcastic. It was hated. It is now up to, I believe, last time I checked, and this all just

00:02:09.160 happened in the last 24 hours, I think the clip is up to over 750,000 views, probably will hit

00:02:16.720 a million soon enough. And you'll probably be shocked to hear this. But the vast majority of

00:02:24.860 the pushback, the people who were losing their minds about this clip were Christians, at least

00:02:33.040 those who profess to be Christians, whether they are or not, that's ultimately not for me to judge,

00:02:37.560 the Lord knows. But those who claim to be Christians saying, we absolutely hate this.

00:02:43.840 uh this is terrible and really beginning just out of an obstinance right i i have to be wrong

00:02:52.620 after all uh so to make their counter arguments really uh while claiming to be christians

00:02:58.980 embracing full-blown gnosticism we'll show you some of the tweets i mean some of them are

00:03:04.200 if they weren't so tragic are quite comical um well a man if he really cared about the things

00:03:09.520 of God. He should marry a woman who's 95 years old, you know, and a quadriplegic. And it was

00:03:17.980 really insane, really insane. But whenever things like that tend to go viral, I think that there is

00:03:25.880 a sense in which you can say you're over the target. There's some kind of golden calf that's

00:03:32.600 being cherished, you know, like Gollum in the ring, my precious, some kind of precious idol

00:03:38.040 that is being fiercely protected by many who at least again claim to be Christians. Which means

00:03:45.120 that today, given that fact, we're going to have to go and lean in even harder. After careful

00:03:52.820 consideration, brothers and sisters in Christ, I am pleased to announce that I have decided

00:03:58.480 to become worse. Tune in now.

00:04:08.040 all right all right west i'm going to turn it to you welcome back you were replaced in our last

00:04:15.760 i've gone so long by the tree but since you're back we decided to shut down the tree by turning

00:04:21.480 it off we decided that we decided that that was conscious that was deliberate it was talked about

00:04:26.220 it there was symbology it was to say look west was gone so the tree was really um it was thriving it

00:04:32.040 was in its place it was speaking you know in a sense it really branched out i saw someone now

00:04:37.720 the tree has been silenced and to represent that silence we turned off the lights uh actually that

00:04:42.760 was completely an accident so i'm gonna let you go ahead and start the episode and i'm gonna try

00:04:46.460 to figure out how to turn on this tree good luck um yeah so i'm gonna go ahead i'm gonna pull up a

00:04:51.080 tweet here as you mentioned the clip went out right the call went out and immediately i think

00:04:55.560 just even the way defiant baptist framed it he framed it well he framed what we said which is

00:05:00.080 there are three things that a woman primarily brings to the table incredible what was that 15

00:05:04.960 seconds that's what we call first try kind of guy right there that's a first try three things a

00:05:10.080 woman brings to the table these are not the only things but three things generally speaking the

00:05:14.940 way that i worded it in the clip fantastic stand by it 100 uh the way that i framed it in the tweet

00:05:21.040 could have been better because i said the most valuable assets and that's not true like when it

00:05:27.720 comes to you know pursuing a woman um if we're talking about everything that can be listed as

00:05:32.640 an asset. Beauty is an asset. Physical beauty is an asset. It's not wrong to say this is a benefit.

00:05:37.680 This is a valuable thing. This matters. There's plenty of scripture that would support that point.

00:05:42.960 So there's nothing wrong with that. And fertility, like biological, physical fertility, that this

00:05:47.180 woman would be able ordinarily to give birth to a legacy, our family legacy and posterity,

00:05:53.880 my name, my lineage. The Bible, of course, esteems and champions that. So that's, again, a value.

00:05:59.540 um and submission i mean you you think of all the scriptures in the new testament first

00:06:04.560 peter chapter three you know that uh speaking of sarah the women of old holy women of old who

00:06:09.780 she referred to her own husband as lord lowercase l lord sir um with with a a a manner of respect

00:06:18.040 and that is we just had david edgington on talking about how off the rails families go when a woman

00:06:23.220 doesn't bring submission when she's in she destroys it absolutely so all those things are

00:06:27.300 true they're they're like obviously true blatantly true um the phrasing in my tweet where i said

00:06:35.440 these are the most valuable the most valuable three of the most or three of the most yes um

00:06:42.100 so even that you know i gave myself an out if you say well there's the top 30 most valuable and

00:06:47.320 these are three of those or the top 10 most valuable and these are three of those then i i

00:06:52.160 think that's fair but i think that's part of what set people off um i think i could have maybe you

00:06:56.620 know frame that more carefully but the the clip itself is um a bit biased but i would say you

00:07:03.880 know trying to be as reasonable as possible right the exercising sober judgment i'm going to say the

00:07:08.980 clip itself is just fantastic just top just top tier i'm at your best like borderline infallible

00:07:16.740 you know not quite there but i mean just just fantastic it's like that guy it's very clearly

00:07:22.400 he was cooking and uh so the clip itself is fantastic the framing you know in the tweet

00:07:27.580 i get a little autistic about it that could have been better um but here's the deal a lot of the

00:07:33.400 reaction was not oh because of your framing and what you were no it was people who watched the

00:07:37.680 clip and they hated it they hated it actually making the argument no her bringing those things

00:07:43.360 to the marriage doesn't matter at all beauty look on the spiritual aspects fertility nope that

00:07:48.160 doesn't matter as well the only thing that matters is just the quiet spirit spirit of first peter

00:07:52.220 three all of nature all the things that make men and women join together inhabit a home have

00:07:57.200 children and it doesn't matter she brings that to the table all that matters is these kind of

00:08:01.360 abstract ethereal elements does she bring this does she bring that and everything else so far

00:08:06.620 down the list you can't even see it right there's an arp minister benjamin glaser i was gonna say

00:08:11.140 so there's right response ministries right but i think a lot of people overlook this there are

00:08:16.140 right responses but they're also retarded responses and i want to give you know credit

00:08:20.540 where credit is due you know so um in terms of responses to this clip um from me um there's

00:08:28.080 right response but there's also retarded response and i feel like retarded response of the year

00:08:33.260 and this like it'd be one thing if it was january right now it's like okay well you know the verdict

00:08:37.740 early front runner but no but man we here we are at the very end of the year of our lord 2025

00:08:42.680 so there's been a lot of retarded responses to this ministry i mean a lot i just how many millions

00:08:49.420 of views are we counting this year 10 to 20 million for you alone all the wonderful if we're

00:08:53.980 talking about reasonable things you've said yes absolutely yeah and 2030 yeah and a lot of

00:08:59.080 ridiculous responses right and yet i think i can say with a great degree of confidence that this

00:09:05.460 might win retarded response of the year 2025 most retarded response uh was to this clip that we're

00:09:13.980 talking about from this individual that you were just beginning to reference and i think i think

00:09:18.760 it needs to be you know we need receipts it needs to be seen on the screen because people won't

00:09:22.440 believe it though they know you just made that up no real person actually said that i don't have

00:09:26.500 this one for the screen but i'll read it out for you okay generational just generation generation

00:09:30.880 You can't just do this.

00:09:32.040 You can't manufacture this bad of a response in a lab.

00:09:34.900 This has to just flow from deep within you.

00:09:37.760 Benjamin Glasser, an ARP, so reformed minister, that's self-attested, he responded to this.

00:09:44.800 So he's responding to you, sharing the clip, and he said, I know this guy, so Joel, is

00:09:49.720 just a troll and shouldn't be taken seriously, but this is demonic idiocy.

00:09:55.460 So three of the most valuable assets a woman brings into marriage, beauty, fertility, and

00:09:59.160 submission.

00:09:59.460 this is demonic idiocy a woman's value is not based on her fertility or outward beauty this

00:10:07.780 eli condemns hannah and praises pen penenna may god have mercy he's referencing the biblical

00:10:14.720 story where that's not two wives the what that's not all that's not all there's more yeah it gets

00:10:20.880 um i being a minister he should know for one the scriptures there's a lot that nature teaches

00:10:27.820 about this. We'll get into that in the second segment on fertility. But as it relates to

00:10:30.760 beauty, so let's take the first one apart. So he says, a woman's value is not based on her beauty.

00:10:34.380 And absolutely true. A woman's value is not the only thing. The only thing to rest on,

00:10:37.860 the only thing that she could possibly bring is beauty. That's not true at all. But practically

00:10:42.320 speaking, we just have to recognize that is how the world works. Nature was not just created in

00:10:48.560 a vacuum. That God sent it spinning and, oh, it turns out human beings like this and they like

00:10:52.780 that and they like this element. God made the world. And he made the world and he arranged it

00:10:57.380 in a certain way. And there's some things, of course, they're sin and they're wrong with it.

00:11:01.000 So, okay, this is not something that we'll see when God comes back. This is what we will not

00:11:08.220 see in a new heavens, the new earth, this thing. But there's other things like the recognition of

00:11:12.260 beauty that we will absolutely see. Heaven will be beautiful, for instance. That's not something

00:11:16.660 because of the fall. That's not something because of all the mistakes or flaws within man. Beauty

00:11:22.140 is an objective reality that God himself created, God himself made. And what we're saying with this

00:11:27.880 is, hey, this is just something practically that drives human beings together. I think of Genesis

00:11:32.740 29 verses 17 through 18. It says it's comparing Rachel and Leah, the two sisters. It says Leah

00:11:39.560 essentially uses, it's probably a term to a type of lazy eye. Her attention, her focus

00:11:45.240 wasn't ideal. Rachel, it says, was beautiful in form and appearance, and Jacob loved Rachel.

00:11:51.440 is drawing the contrast. So there's Jacob, there's Leah, and there's Rachel. Jacob, well, Leah, his

00:11:56.920 one wife, he has less affection for. Rachel was beautiful in form and appearance, and Jacob loved

00:12:01.900 her. Now, scripture isn't recommending that. So that is not a prescriptive text. So in the same

00:12:06.000 way, Jacob loved the beauty of Rachel. That's the way all men should be. They should, if they

00:12:11.240 have their choice of women, only ever go for the most beautiful. It's not the way all men should

00:12:15.300 be. Nope. It's the way all men are. It's recognizing that's how men are. It's not a prescriptive text.

00:12:20.380 is a descriptive text, but it's describing something normative. Exactly. And there's

00:12:26.460 nowhere in the Bible that condemns that. It says, hey, you know what? It is wrong for men to be

00:12:31.240 attracted to physical beauty. What's wrong is to be attracted to physical beauty at the expense

00:12:36.500 of inward character, spiritual beauty, or to be attracted to physical beauty that is outside the

00:12:41.860 bounds of marriage that would become adulterous. So there are certainly guidelines that the

00:12:46.320 scripture gives us but in terms of Jacob at that point being a physical or I'm sorry a single man

00:12:52.260 looking for a spouse and saying yeah Rachel was lovely physically lovely and for him to say he

00:12:59.620 desired that the scripture does not condemn it originally works for Rachel not Leah Leah is

00:13:04.640 given to him from then he goes back and has to work seven more years and he's willing to do it

00:13:08.340 because of her personality and her sweetness no he does it at some level because he's attracted to

00:13:13.920 There's a whole book, like this is a minister saying this,

00:13:16.520 there's a whole book celebrating mutual affection in marriage.

00:13:20.820 I'll leave it at that, the Song of Solomon.

00:13:22.860 Nowhere condemning, nowhere speaking negatively of it,

00:13:25.180 but saying, hey, here's two people, and on a natural plane,

00:13:28.420 there's of course imagery of Christ and the church, the true image of marriage.

00:13:32.420 But even on a natural plane, these two people are very attracted to each other.

00:13:36.000 And why is that?

00:13:36.900 Again, is it personality, his masculine frame, her feminine spirit?

00:13:41.120 Nope. They go through and they describe physical attributes that they love about one another.

00:13:46.880 And then to use the scripture as well, as far as fertility goes, think of Psalm 128. We know Psalm

00:13:52.060 127. Blessed is the man whose quiver is full, referring to children. They're like arrows to be

00:13:57.040 shot out. Children are a blessing from the Lord. We know that. That's Psalm 127. But it actually

00:14:01.600 is followed up by Psalm 128. In Psalm 128, it actually says, blessed is the man who fears the

00:14:07.640 Lord. And it goes on to begin to describe in what ways is he blessed. So this man who fears the

00:14:13.480 Lord, how is he blessed? How is his life arranged? And it says, well, he's blessed in his work. He's

00:14:19.000 happy in what he does. And his wife is like a fruitful vine. Okay, so his wife is a fruitful

00:14:23.720 vine. In what way? She bakes pies for him. Let's not overlook that fact. Sure, that may be a part

00:14:27.940 of it. Well, she works hard and she secures land or wealth. Well, the scriptures tell us in what

00:14:33.240 way his wife is blessed and fruitful his table is surrounded by children that are like olive

00:14:38.240 shoots so the bible itself says hey look at the man that fears god and table real quick though

00:14:43.040 let's let's let's be specific with our language it matters his table is filled with children born

00:14:48.320 out of in vitro from a woman who was 45 years old yes right is that i think that's the fine print

00:14:54.220 right isn't that in the esv commentary i looked at the niv it didn't have that the esv no no his

00:15:00.860 wife made him a lot of babies but they were allowed to use in vitro knowing that you know

00:15:05.440 the vast majority of those fertilized eggs which are human beings made in the image of god would

00:15:10.180 be permanently frozen and then later discarded so incarcerated without trial and then executed

00:15:15.620 without trial and that was totally fine because at the end of the day she wasn't ready to get

00:15:21.240 married when she was 25 she needed to wait until she was you know 35 to get married and then

00:15:25.700 ultimately have you know some pop out a few more kids when she's 40 45 because she's a boss babe

00:15:31.340 and she had better things to do i mean she needed to get that college degree and the master's and

00:15:35.680 needed to work as an attorney and she needed to work as an attorney it needed to happen and how

00:15:40.040 dare a bigoted misogynistic minister such as myself you don't say anything otherwise right

00:15:47.260 the blessed man who obeys god his table is surrounded by tons of children he made the

00:15:53.280 old-fashioned way that's what the bible says the old-fashioned way the old-fashioned way which tends

00:15:57.760 to be in her youth right in her youth we'll get to in the second segment the statistics on fertility

00:16:03.740 is just a biological reality reality but real quick but real quick without further ado let let

00:16:09.420 me get to benjamin glaser right so you read the original post his his first response there's so

00:16:15.240 many to pick it's hard there's so many man i mean he is he is in here god bless him just boosting

00:16:19.360 my engagement off the charts um for free for free we don't even pay him and we probably should

00:16:26.160 honestly end of the year cut somebody somebody log this away we probably should pay some royalties

00:16:31.180 um but anyways so this is him responding to somebody who's responding to him that's responding

00:16:36.520 to somebody that's responding you know back and forth you know he's all over uh in the comments

00:16:40.780 but at one point he says uh choosing i'm quoting choosing not to marry someone because of uh what

00:16:47.220 you believe to be a physical defect is in fact denying their humanity it is in the same ethical

00:16:56.300 category as aborting a child because of clinical testing those who god has brought all uh those

00:17:04.980 who god has brought together and dot dot dot uh that no man separates let no man's alluding to

00:17:12.040 that's what he's alluding to so let me read again because i mean this is this is staggering

00:17:15.900 He said, choosing, right?

00:17:17.940 So if a man is choosing not to marry someone because of what he believes to be physically

00:17:25.180 unpleasing, undesirable, a physical defect, something like that, that is him, in fact,

00:17:30.720 denying that woman's humanity.

00:17:33.860 It is in the same ethical category as abortion, choosing to abort a child because of clinical

00:17:41.980 testing and realizing that the child has some kind of physical defect. Those who God has brought

00:17:48.480 together, let no man put asunder. Okay, that last line, the reason why I began to hesitate

00:17:55.440 in even reading is because it's completely irrelevant. It has nothing to do with the rest

00:17:58.760 of his post. Nobody is advocating for divorce. Nobody's saying, hey, if a woman develops some

00:18:05.380 kind of physically less undesirable trait post-marriage, post-marriage, that he should

00:18:14.040 send her away. No, that would be wicked. Right. That would be wicked. God would hate that. We

00:18:21.760 would, if they were members in our church, we would absolutely excommunicate that man if he

00:18:26.960 did not immediately repent of that and change that course of action. But that's not what we're

00:18:33.520 talking about we're talking about a single man and who he chooses to marry and i'm going to say

00:18:38.660 something wes i i prepped you for this i told you ahead of time so that you i didn't want you to be

00:18:43.360 caught off guard here or you know i should have told tree about it but uh tree is probably

00:18:47.380 unprepared the lights might go out um but here's here's the reality obviously if you're a minister

00:18:53.020 and you're giving counsel you don't need to necessarily solicit this without having been

00:18:59.420 asked you don't need to do it um in a crude way or a mean-spirited way there needs to be some

00:19:06.140 some serious um compassion candor and the way that this is communicated but i'm going to say it

00:19:14.120 and i'm not going to say it meanly but it does need to be said and i'm saying in this context

00:19:18.120 because it's a lot more painful to be said face to face to singling out one individual person

00:19:24.240 but I do hope I do hope that if some women are listening that they would hear it in this context

00:19:30.820 having the luxury the privilege of being you know remote and and not being seen and not being put

00:19:36.660 to shame not being embarrassed because I don't have any desire to do that I want to be clear

00:19:40.880 that's it here's here's the advice for young single women who want to be married and feel

00:19:48.760 as though they're being passed over the advice is there are many things many things that you can do

00:19:54.000 the chief thing of course being trusting the lord and making the desires of your heart known to the

00:19:59.080 lord in prayer um god i i eagerly desire to be a wife and a mother if it be your will would you

00:20:06.660 send me a husband that's that's pivotal being in a good local church where there are godly men

00:20:14.040 asking your father to help talking to the elders to see if they might know of a single man who

00:20:19.480 might be um a a compatible suitor all those things here's another piece of advice and people don't

00:20:25.800 like it this is the kind of thing that your benjamin glacier would lose his ever-loving

00:20:29.840 mind and everybody you know this will probably get clipped out and we'll go viral all again

00:20:33.760 right run it back right uh two for two here's another thing uh lose 20 to 30 pounds

00:20:40.580 i'm a young woman i'm a christian i love the lord i'm not a boss babe i'm not insubordinate

00:20:49.560 i'm not rebellious i i actually believe conservative traditional biblical values

00:20:55.660 i want to be a wife who is submissive to my husband as ephesians the scripture clearly teaches

00:21:02.300 i want to be a mother i don't want to postpone marriage and procrastinate in in this prolonged

00:21:10.440 adolescence. No, I actually desire the things that the Bible clearly esteems, that I know God

00:21:17.200 wills for me. And yet I just feel like I'm being ignored. I feel like I'm being passed over. I

00:21:24.300 don't want, because I want to practice towards being a submissive wife one day before becoming

00:21:29.200 a wife. I don't want to be aggressive and domineering and go and pursue a man. I want to

00:21:34.220 be pursued that's good that's a good uh innate sentiment you're like that's that's the right

00:21:40.860 direction that your heart that's all that's really good and you might be thinking like why

00:21:45.760 why am i being passed over there could be a lot of reasons but one common one is um

00:21:54.720 you could perhaps need to maybe be intentional over the next three to six months in a healthy way

00:22:03.580 to strive to lose 20 to 30 pounds but here's the deal those kinds of things uh fathers won't say

00:22:16.040 brothers won't say pastors won't say men won't say because happy wife happy life i can never say

00:22:23.460 that my wife would beat me when i when i get home you know because a lot of men are subservient

00:22:27.900 little lapdogs and their wife absolutely is wearing the pants and they're afraid that if

00:22:32.380 they say something like that, like I just did, it'll get clipped out and go viral. And I know

00:22:35.980 that that's very likely to take place, but I don't care. Why? Because I'm misogynistic. No,

00:22:39.940 because I love women. I actually don't want them to be passed over. I don't want them to make it

00:22:44.840 into their thirties. God forbid, even their forties. And, and they love the Lord and they

00:22:50.380 want to be mothers and the fertility window closes in real time. And they're watching it close

00:22:56.180 without a suitor. Um, where all along, if anyone actually loved those women, instead of just

00:23:01.720 loving yourself and your own reputation and, and loving your own, um, uh, your own protection.

00:23:07.520 Cause I don't want to be, uh, I don't want to be criticized publicly online. I I'm actually

00:23:11.960 willing to be criticized publicly in order to tell women the truth so that they might live

00:23:18.580 more God pleasing, satisfying, fulfilled lives. That's the opposite of misogyny. That's actually

00:23:26.220 loving women. It's actually loving women to say, Hey, you know what? One of the things

00:23:31.160 that might be a cause for you not being able to find a spouse, but nobody's been willing to tell

00:23:37.700 you because they're all uncomfortable and don't want to be seen as mean. One of the things might

00:23:42.160 be that men actually are attracted to physical beauty, and that's not inherently shallow or

00:23:47.760 immoral or wrong. And one of the things right now for you that would somewhat drastically increase

00:23:56.180 your physical attractiveness is losing some weight. The reason men prefer that, so men are

00:24:03.640 not the bad guys here. Well, men need to change their standards. No, every 10, 20, 30 pounds that

00:24:08.500 any individual, and this is man or woman that is overweight, drastically impacts their health and

00:24:13.760 drastically impacts their fertility. Men who get type 2 diabetes, they're severely overweight,

00:24:18.880 they have a hard time conceiving. Practically speaking, a man who's slothful in that way

00:24:23.440 will get to the point where you can't even do the manly task of siring children.

00:24:28.120 And likewise for women, as they are overweight,

00:24:30.960 they're going to have hormonal difficulties

00:24:32.840 that make it much more difficult to have children.

00:24:35.780 They're going to make the pregnancies more complicated.

00:24:38.240 And so when men look at a woman and they say,

00:24:40.600 she's cute, she's nice, but I do feel like she could lose weight,

00:24:44.440 some of what they're getting at, even if they don't consciously know it,

00:24:47.100 is that biologically men have attraction to certain features.

00:24:50.600 One of those features they don't have an attraction to is the weight,

00:24:52.800 and that's because historically...

00:24:55.040 Being overweight is what you're saying?

00:24:56.240 Yes, being overweight.

00:24:57.040 One of the reasons they're not attracted

00:24:58.240 to women that are overweight

00:24:59.300 is that historically men that had children

00:25:02.120 with women that were of lesser weight

00:25:03.460 had children that were healthier,

00:25:05.080 children that didn't have gestational diabetes,

00:25:07.140 children that made it further.

00:25:08.160 It's fascinating.

00:25:08.860 Most people have probably seen this,

00:25:10.100 but just in case you haven't,

00:25:12.120 it's not just, well, men are shallow, men are vain.

00:25:16.020 I mean, sin is always crouching like a tiger at the door

00:25:19.460 seeking to devour you, to have you,

00:25:21.840 like God said of Cain. So sin will never miss any opportunity to take something that's innately

00:25:27.460 good and pervert it. So sure, there can be a sinful lust. Of course, the Bible is filled with

00:25:33.860 verses and warnings about that. However, at the same time, it's not just arbitrary. It's not just

00:25:39.460 vanity. It's not just random. When you think of, like in the case of Jacob, he was attracted

00:25:45.840 to Rachel, it says her form and appearance. Her form, right? And there's other verses that speak

00:25:52.420 of Esther, other verses in the Bible that speak specifically of both appearance, meaning her face

00:25:57.800 was lovely, but also form. Why? Why form? Why are we talking about a woman's physical, her body,

00:26:07.140 and not just size but form another way it could be translated shape shape why because there are

00:26:15.960 actually scientific proven biological correlations between a woman of this shape and fertility

00:26:25.100 an hourglass shape essentially yep an hourglass shape and you can look at the studies a woman who

00:26:30.880 has an hourglass shape, statistically has a far, not negligible, far greater likelihood

00:26:38.640 of being fertile. So even the things that in our physical bodies that men are attracted to

00:26:49.080 in a woman, even that, can it be lust? Can it be sinful? Of course, of course. But it's not

00:26:57.500 inherently sinful for a single man to physically be attracted to a woman. And the things that he

00:27:03.940 tends to be attracted to are not, here's my big point, they're not an accident. God actually

00:27:11.120 designed it that way. That design has been perverted by sin, but the original design actually

00:27:16.920 is good. And it's good because it's purposeful. There's reason and rhyme to it. And the rhyme and

00:27:25.840 reason behind God's design for the particular types of physical traits that men are attracted

00:27:33.240 to in women is those particular physical traits are indicators, signposts, pointing towards

00:27:40.920 viability in childbearing. Exactly. I asked Benjamin a little bit later on,

00:27:48.240 should a 23-year-old man be perfectly happy with marrying a 40-year-old woman, assuming she has

00:27:53.860 all of besides age all of the qualifiers of a biblical wife she's quiet she's got all the

00:27:58.340 spiritual character all all the all of those things 23 year old man 40 year old woman and he

00:28:04.460 said yes which i do appreciate that the man is being consistent yeah like because the consistent

00:28:09.920 you know logical end of his argument is is like you know you never go full retard but this requires

00:28:15.520 full retard but i do it but i appreciate the discipline he's like i know what i've said and

00:28:21.240 i know where it takes me but i will not back down i'm going to double down all the way to full

00:28:25.880 retardation exactly and he did it and i god bless him for the courage i was gonna say and it's just

00:28:30.260 it's absolutely you're just denying whole swaths of creation that god has made what men are

00:28:35.220 attracted to how people typically pair we talked about this in the episode that the clip is from

00:28:39.280 men generally marry younger that's because as a man gets older he's generally more successful in

00:28:44.300 his career he has more money he matures a little bit later than women mature and women typically

00:28:49.620 their fertility is highest in their early 20s. You can hate that all you want. That's how God

00:28:54.700 has made the world. And what guys like him are doing, you have to see it. They are taking nature

00:28:59.520 and they're saying, we are going to flatten it out. There's no woman more beautiful than the

00:29:04.360 next that you should make any decision on based on marriage. There's no woman more fertile than

00:29:08.500 the next that you should base your marriage choice on. Flatten everything, flatten all of it.

00:29:14.200 There's no distinctions, no hierarchy. No one is more attractive than someone else,

00:29:18.180 more fertile than someone else, a better mate than someone else. It's all these abstract

00:29:22.280 spiritual qualities, which are intangible, can't be touched, can't be measured. And they go in and

00:29:27.800 they destroy nature with a hammer. What is our problem in our society right now, if not the

00:29:32.420 denial of nature, the denial of patriotism, the denial of having a home, the denial of the reality

00:29:38.140 of men and women? At every avenue, we've denied natural categories, natural ways of thinking,

00:29:43.220 natural ways that god has made the world we denied all of it and we are in a hell hole

00:29:48.500 and reformed ministers are right here carrying the water supporting a let me run out in front

00:29:54.500 let me run out in front let me carry water nature doesn't matter a bit you're attracted to that

00:29:59.640 woman bad you should go and marry someone who is 20 years your senior you will never have if you

00:30:04.980 were really spiritual you would find a hag right and you would go to the nursing home you would

00:30:10.020 Go to the nursing home, find a woman that's completely barren,

00:30:13.440 and you would marry her because of her character.

00:30:16.820 And never have the blessings of the psalm says.

00:30:19.320 So a young man, he's 23-year-olds, he hears this terrible advice,

00:30:22.300 and heaven forbid he takes it.

00:30:24.920 Well, then he's going to read the Bible one day.

00:30:27.260 He's going to go, oh, wait, my home isn't filled with children,

00:30:30.320 and I may love this woman, and I'm committed to her.

00:30:32.560 The wife that I married is godly.

00:30:34.400 She is my sister in Christ and my wife now because I made this decision,

00:30:37.900 and i'm to cherish her and honor her and love her and provide and protect but she's not a fruitful

00:30:44.180 vine no she's not um and and i was hoodwinked by reformed ministers exactly um i mean i remember

00:30:54.020 this was like a big this talk of the town was going around in the twitter streets you know

00:30:57.800 and it kind of comes back and back it's like it's like on a on a it's like there's like a church

00:31:01.960 calendar right the church calendar of like did David you know R.A.P. Bathsheba or you know did

00:31:08.340 Bathsheba know what she was doing bathing naked on the roof in view of the king's quarters what

00:31:13.100 could happen up here I think she knew what she was doing um David absolutely sinned but I I don't

00:31:18.060 think uh that she was um innocent I think that she sinned as well I think there was a mutual sin

00:31:22.760 there um but that's that's a recurring one another one is wine versus Welch's um juice in the Lord's

00:31:28.540 supper that's that's a that's a classic church calendar uh you know and then um and then another

00:31:33.740 one uh tends to be uh should christian men is it their duty if they were really godly if they were

00:31:40.660 really spiritual uh to find uh the single mother in church and marry her right and pass up you know

00:31:48.960 the uh the other women who have not uh already been married and through a divorce you know or

00:31:55.440 had children out of wedlock or you know whatever in order to get in that situation and the reality

00:32:00.180 is that that woman who has children um and a single right whether she's been divorced or was

00:32:05.760 out of wedlock she could be fully repentant she could be godly she could be physically beautiful

00:32:09.420 still um and somewhat young maybe she's 30 you know not 20 but 30 um but but there's been we've

00:32:16.700 seen the campaigns right we've seen all the campaigns for like um adoption is better than

00:32:22.840 procreation yep and if you want to be really spiritual you can't just adopt some white kid

00:32:28.180 right i mean come on are you a monster you adopt you get in there and you adopt a chinese baby

00:32:35.360 like chris tomlin right you know you get in there and you adopt a haitian you get in there and you

00:32:40.000 adopt from the other side of the world and blah blah and ideally multiple as many as possible

00:32:43.760 many as possible do you love jesus or not right you defy every natural instinct or you don't love

00:32:52.320 jesus so you you want to actually have to there's something in you internally you can feel like

00:32:56.880 i want children who come from me um well you deny that and you adopt children who came from

00:33:05.160 as far from you as you can possibly imagine i mean geographically right genetically at every

00:33:10.040 level you you go and you adopt somebody else's kid and you make sure that that kid is nothing

00:33:15.180 like you um marriage i want a young fruitful vine you get um a shriveled old vine that already bore

00:33:26.460 its fruit for someone else but now it's going to be your obligation um nationalism nope nope nope

00:33:33.560 nope nope nope nope you know problematic christian nationalism is okay but ethno which literally

00:33:39.040 means nato nations right so ethno nationalism another way to to wear that just to be clear is

00:33:44.960 national nationalism bad ethno-nationalism can we just all agree that is the most redundant

00:33:53.340 phrase i've ever heard ethno-nationalism you mean national nationalism nation nationalism

00:33:59.040 nation nationalism bad as bad as adultery some are saying right let's just put in let's let's

00:34:06.480 make it really plain here we won't mince words if japan you said this west i did if japan by the

00:34:12.960 grace of God experienced national revival, like Nineveh, genuine, like the men of Nineveh, Jesus

00:34:19.460 even said, will rise up and judge with Christ these Jewish towns in the judgment because the

00:34:24.560 men of Nineveh at the preaching of Jonah actually repented. So it was a genuine repentance, not just

00:34:29.140 outward, not just temporal, but a true regeneration by the Holy Spirit. Nineveh was saved. They were,

00:34:35.320 according to Jesus. We see this in the Gospels. If Japan experienced that kind of revival,

00:34:41.040 national revival, just like the entire city of Nineveh, which was the capital city of Assyria.

00:34:45.860 Some would argue, you know, 120,000 minimum as its population. I would say that that's the

00:34:50.580 children there that didn't know the left from the right in a literal sense. And so probably about

00:34:55.120 500,000, half a million people, residents in this capital city of Assyria at the time, and God saved

00:35:01.040 the whole town, the whole city. Massive. Let's say he did that with Japan. Well, there are some

00:35:07.760 who are saying that if japan experienced genuine bona fide national revival they would have to

00:35:14.180 quickly as a sign of of their newfound salvation um and discipleship and following of jesus christ

00:35:21.100 would have to open their national borders and take on a significant because right now japan is 97

00:35:27.100 ethnically japanese right so they would have to open up their borders immediately and doing good

00:35:32.580 works in keeping with repentance and starts diluting their their national population um

00:35:39.300 taking on mass amounts of immigrants that's the logical conclusion or let me finish real quick

00:35:45.040 according to reform ministers or to do otherwise would be equivalent to um a christian committing

00:35:52.520 adultery that was literally set right like this week like we are reaching levels of

00:36:02.660 insanity previously thought impossible no one would surely say these things

00:36:08.680 oh but that they are that's what you have to realize if you want to tie it all together and

00:36:13.740 find a common denominator this is what it is satan and it is satanic satan um hates nature

00:36:22.080 Why?

00:36:22.400 Because Satan hates God, but he who sits in the heavens laughs and holds all the nations

00:36:26.740 and their rulers, if they're in rebellion against it, in derision.

00:36:29.580 And God also holds Satan in derision.

00:36:32.240 Satan can only do what God assigns to him, what he allows, just like the first couple

00:36:35.400 chapters of Job.

00:36:36.440 God is sovereign over all things, including Satan.

00:36:38.920 So Satan cannot hurt God.

00:36:41.200 God is invulnerable.

00:36:43.040 God is immortal.

00:36:44.660 The divine cannot suffer.

00:36:47.240 So then what do you do if you're Satan?

00:36:48.860 if you hate God, but you can't get to him, well, then you mess with God's creation. You mess with

00:36:55.000 nature. You mess with the natural order. You mess with God's image bearing creatures who bear the

00:36:59.740 image of God, right? I can't actually, I can't actually assassinate the emperor. So I'm going

00:37:04.620 to deface his statues throughout the kingdom, you know, and that's what Satan has been doing.

00:37:08.740 And it's an attack on nature. But here's the deal is once upon a time, you know, this was,

00:37:16.140 you know it was it was the orcs at the city gates that were you know trying to do now it's

00:37:20.660 reformed ministers doing it for free in the name of christ in the name of jesus right um and so

00:37:26.820 whether it's hey you should marry old an an older woman who is infertile and if you don't desire

00:37:33.400 that or you wouldn't be willing to do that then uh it's equivalent to genetic testing of a child

00:37:40.140 in utero and then committing abortion. Again, that's a reformed pastor who said that. Or

00:37:46.060 ethno-nationalism, national nationalism. National nationalism is not only is it not a subset of

00:37:52.420 Christian nationalism, but it's entirely in opposition to it. And it's sinful to the same

00:38:01.440 degree of a Christian committing adultery. This is where we're at. Pretty incredible.

00:38:08.380 I want to do a short segment on fertility and some of the studies,

00:38:10.960 just backing up some of the claims we made.

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00:40:17.140 We're back. We talked about fertility in that first episode. And if I could kind of categorize

00:40:21.800 the pushback, 40% on the beauty piece. Beauty is fading, which we said in the episode. The other

00:40:26.780 40% would have been, well, I could say 20%, the submission side. So beauty, submission was about

00:40:31.660 60% of the pushback. But people really didn't like the fertility piece. And they really don't

00:40:36.140 like being told that women are different than men in this respect. I used the illustration earlier

00:40:40.700 of a 23-year-old man marrying a woman that is 40. And for the record, a 40-year-old man and a 40-year-old

00:40:45.720 woman, I think that's a great pairing. Context matters. Say it again, 40-year-old man. 40-year-old

00:40:50.320 man and a 40-year-old woman. So a couple that's older in life, that's great. Praise God for a

00:40:54.380 couple that are they're older 40 year old man 40 year old woman what about 40 year old man and 30

00:40:58.780 year old woman totally fine totally fine 30 year old man 40 year old woman it depends on the

00:41:06.520 context i'm less opposed to that permissible than 23 it's not blatantly sin permissible but no it's

00:41:12.160 not ideal yep and the difference is so it's like well a 23 year old woman and 40 year old man he'll

00:41:17.220 have trouble having kids uh nope he won't men are able to sire healthy children 40s 50s and even

00:41:23.480 1960s. Men and women are not the same. And it seems like a lot of people, the reason I'm bringing

00:41:28.020 this up, the reason we're doing a whole segment on it, a lot of people don't seem to know this.

00:41:31.640 They seem to have this idea that a woman from, say, 15 till 45 is perfectly able to have healthy

00:41:38.480 children. They're equally healthy all the way through. There's no declines in fertility that

00:41:42.920 you can just choose at any point. We would like to have a child. For one, a toxic world that we

00:41:47.880 live in has made it very difficult for a lot of women to conceive. There are many Christian couples,

00:41:51.940 I know. And they thought it would be easy. We're going to get married. We're going to have

00:41:55.060 children. They're a year in and they're dealing with a frustration. We might not be able to have

00:41:59.700 children. We don't know why. We don't know the cause of it. It's probably something environmental.

00:42:04.080 So many just in general struggle with fertility, even if they're both in their 20s, even if they're

00:42:08.640 both into their 30s. But women's fertility declines precipitously after about 35 to 40.

00:42:15.280 And you have to recognize that that matters in marriage, especially if you're marrying a woman

00:42:19.640 that's older. I'm going to read here from a 2016 study, a 2016 study of a cohort of 960 women. So

00:42:28.320 I want you to kind of see the decline as God made the world, as he made women, and how it typically

00:42:33.040 goes. Compared to women aged 30 to 31, I'm quoting now, compared to women aged 30 to 31, fertility

00:42:39.440 was reduced by 14% in women 34 to 35. So 34 to 35 year old women are 15% less likely to get

00:42:47.300 pregnant in a given 12-month span than women that are 30 to 31. 19% in women 36 to 37 years of age,

00:42:54.660 30% in women 38 to 39, 53% in women 40 to 41, and 59% in women 42 to 44. Fertility did not differ

00:43:07.140 between women age 30 to 31, women's age 32 to 33. In general, this is the main takeaway,

00:43:13.060 fertility and cumulative probability of pregnancy was lower for women who have never had a prior

00:43:19.260 pregnancy. We said in that episode a week ago, having children young is one of the best things

00:43:24.580 that you can do for a woman's health and for her long-term fertility. You don't have all the time

00:43:30.540 in the world. And it sucks to hear. I know people that they don't know these statistics. They're

00:43:36.180 not aware of it. And they're like, really? Like, I don't have all of this time or we're not able

00:43:41.300 to kind of spend our 20s, buying a house, buying a car, saving up money. That's just simply not the

00:43:46.580 world God's made. Another study from 2017. This was a study in Japan of 20,000 women. A U-shaped

00:43:53.680 relationship was apparent between maternal age at first birth and mortality. As maternal age at

00:43:58.980 first birth is rising worldwide, the risk it imposes appears to have significance in the

00:44:03.060 context of public health. Well, they found that study of 20,000 women is that very early pregnancies

00:44:08.360 prior to 19 years old and pregnancies, first pregnancies into the 30, those had the highest

00:44:13.580 rates of mortality. That women that have children very, very young and women that have their first

00:44:17.660 child into their 30s have much greater rates of mortality for the mother, for the child,

00:44:23.200 than women that have their first child in their 20s and 30s. You can hate this. You can not like

00:44:27.280 it. You can be uncomfortable. This is how God made the world. And the reason that we're talking about

00:44:32.340 it, people are going to be offended. People are going to hate it. But I think there's a lot of

00:44:37.080 people out there they go whoa that makes a lot of sense and the earlier woman has a child there's a

00:44:42.220 lot of people out there who would be like well if that is the way god made the world whether i like

00:44:46.000 it or not it's the way it is and by golly if this is the way it is why didn't one person in my life

00:44:52.640 love me enough to tell me exactly you know how many women are are angry right now yeah in their

00:44:59.240 thirties and forties, they're saying, why the hell was I told and insisted that going to school,

00:45:08.020 getting a degree and having a career was going to make me happy? I'm not happy at all. I mean,

00:45:13.860 we see videos on Tik TOK and Instagram, little short videos, like by the dozens daily, daily

00:45:20.340 saying, I changed my mind. Please take it back. Please take it back. I wish that I could be

00:45:26.900 married. I wish that I could be a mother. What in the world? Why did all these people in my life,

00:45:31.800 and we're not just talking about random, you know, Marxist professors. No, we're talking about

00:45:36.160 her mom, her dad, her pastor, her aunt, her grandma, like people in my life who were supposed

00:45:44.800 to love me, care for me, instruct me, protect me from being brainwashed and lied to, they all joined

00:45:54.760 in the lying they all lied to me too so what we're doing you can hate it you can be offended

00:46:00.680 by it you can be mad um but what we're doing is providing a service and there are plenty of people

00:46:05.700 who do it we're actually believe it or not we're doing it i think much like this is the gentle

00:46:11.020 version yeah there are some other podcasters that you can listen to right i'm not going to

00:46:15.460 necessarily name them i think you can probably guess who will tell you straight up they will

00:46:20.200 tell you straight up what happens uh if we don't repeal the 19th amendment they will tell you

00:46:24.760 straight up what happens to a woman when she hits 40 but she's still single um we actually are

00:46:29.800 handling this and dealing with a topic that is vitally important telling the truth and using

00:46:35.200 scripture to do it and and actually having i i think um a gentle tone we're not being bombastic

00:46:42.920 we're not being rude these are hard truths there's no gentle way to say right you need to have a

00:46:48.780 child, your first child, if possible, if you're married, your first child in your 20s. That is

00:46:53.500 your best outcome for health. That is your best outcome for having many children. It's the best

00:46:57.220 outcome to achieve the blessing that God speaks of. The blessings described of having children

00:47:03.240 to practically accomplish that, the earlier, the better. You can hate us for it. That is the truth

00:47:09.260 as it is. There are so many women with technology. They think, oh, I can just freeze my eggs.

00:47:13.900 probably millions but i'll be comfortable saying thousands to hundreds of thousands thousands of

00:47:19.700 hundreds of thousands of women think with technology that this little fertility process

00:47:24.140 can just be put on pause we can we can press the pause button all right we can change gender just

00:47:28.460 do a little surgery fertility press the pause button we can wait these women go to unfreeze

00:47:33.280 their eggs they're like i'm ready to have a kid i'm ready to do it 35 36 37 38 they become

00:47:38.860 incredibly depressed despondent maniacal they realize they're never going to have children

00:47:44.240 right and they don't get that back we talked about this a couple episodes ago there's so

00:47:48.020 many things in life when the window passes you don't get it back when i can't give that back to

00:47:52.200 you it's gone don't it always seem to go you don't know what you got to it's gone you don't know what

00:47:57.220 you got speaking of things that are gone hold up your glass my man oh my goodness good grief you

00:48:02.760 did not waste any time so um it could be that i've drank uh drank a little bit less of this

00:48:07.480 because i've talked a little bit more right it's hard to drink and talk at the same time

00:48:11.200 uh but you finished yours i'm still kind of on the last little bit of mine what are we drinking

00:48:15.680 here i feel like the the listener needs to know at the end of this segment we are the tree the

00:48:20.520 wreath we are noggin yeah we're noggin we're christmas maxing and we are drinking some nog

00:48:26.680 and uh the reality is that noggers are um you know they're they're a minority of the population

00:48:32.920 when it comes to christmas time uh but naggers are those who i think although a minority of the

00:48:39.180 population they're responsible for 50 plus of all christmas cheer oh absolutely yeah so 13 percent

00:48:46.100 of naggers 15 percent of christmas cheer here we are and this one i can't say their name because

00:48:51.300 can't dox them but this was made from uh by uh one of my best friends his wife made it as a gift to

00:48:59.540 us christmas gift and we just found it he he put it in there to um in the fridge uh in our studio

00:49:06.060 and it's homemade and it's insanely good it is really really good so uh we are nogging at like

00:49:14.200 like level 11 right now it's just off the charts um if you don't like eggnog

00:49:19.760 first thing i would say you know just completely you know kindly uh first thing i would say is

00:49:25.640 unsubscribe and i would like to never see you again i'm just kidding if you don't like eggnog

00:49:33.100 um you are objectively wrong you can still be subscribed we still appreciate you but you are

00:49:38.380 wrong you need to know that you need to feel it deep inside um and then it's kind of one of those

00:49:42.820 things you just got to keep drinking it until you like it um if you don't like it it's because you

00:49:46.680 haven't worked hard enough you need to drink eggnog every christmas um potentially and i would

00:49:52.160 are you every day until you like it because the eggnog is not wrong you are absolutely you are

00:49:58.760 okay let's go to our last commercial break your chance to get nog so if you're waiting for your

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00:50:57.920 like that everyone believed until you know like for all of human history until you know 80 to 100

00:51:03.060 years ago cicero who writes something equivalent to this yeah yeah thousands of years ago you can

00:51:07.960 pull it up yeah let me pull it up let me pull it up people always recognized uh because it's apparent

00:51:12.680 god made women uh paul speaks of this in first corinthians like god made women with a beauty

00:51:18.000 and a ferocity men don't have men are not attractive the way women are that's right

00:51:21.460 uh we ought to regard loveliness as the attribute of women dignity as the attribute of man and if

00:51:31.860 you look into that that's cicero and if you look into that and the latin what he's getting at

00:51:35.320 i don't know how to pronounce it i'm i'll i'll try i'm i know i'll do it wrong but just at least

00:51:40.240 so you'll have the sense of it.

00:51:41.200 So those of you who are aware of such things as Latin,

00:51:44.600 you can go and look it up.

00:51:45.680 But it's V-E-N-U-S-T-A-S.

00:51:50.260 Venustis?

00:51:51.260 Sounds right.

00:51:51.840 Venustis?

00:51:53.360 Something like that.

00:51:54.800 But that's for loveliness.

00:51:56.600 So we ought to regard loveliness,

00:51:58.260 and then V-E-N-U-S-T-A-S,

00:52:02.740 as the attribute,

00:52:03.780 meaning the quintessential attribute

00:52:05.920 is what's being implied there,

00:52:07.100 the chief attribute of woman.

00:52:09.040 and dignity and uh d-i-g-n-i-t-a-s as the attribute of man so for man what's the main

00:52:20.100 thing you're looking for um dignity is he dignified is he honorable respect of virtue

00:52:26.520 to be esteemed virtue a woman is she lovely and here's the thing that lovingness it can't be

00:52:33.980 anything less, then is she literally in a physical sense, beautiful, right? Especially for a young

00:52:40.240 woman. But of course, I think there's more. So it's not less, but I do think there's absolutely

00:52:46.000 more. You can be, when Miss America beauty pageant, but if you are a total jerk, aggressive,

00:52:56.800 domineering like then yeah you're not lovely loveliness does it it's not well it's just

00:53:04.620 spiritual loveliness no no it's actually not the physical actually matters we are not heretics we

00:53:11.560 are not Gnostics stop that no one thought like that until modern westerns so stop it knock it

00:53:19.620 out stop being Gnostics stop being heretics God made the physical world and he called it good

00:53:26.680 okay so stop hating god's natural order stop doing the work of your father the devil stop it

00:53:35.640 loveliness it contains a physical element and that's good we can say it's not less we don't

00:53:44.320 have to make it a substitute something other than but we can say that it's more she is physically

00:53:50.060 lovely. And in addition to that, she carries herself in her manner, in her method, in her

00:53:57.060 words, her vernacular, her spirit. There's grace. The man, he has grit. The woman, she has grace.

00:54:06.500 Cicero, not saying that he's right about everything, but probably shouldn't be completely

00:54:11.080 discounted. I think he cooked. I think he cooked. All right. So subscribe on YouTube, subscribe on

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00:57:44.400 timeless treasure. All right, we're back. Here's the Super Chats. First and foremost,

00:57:51.800 we have Josiah Cooper. They wrote in and said, nine months ago, I asked y'all,

00:57:58.060 and I remember this, I think it was during a live stream, and they super chatted in and said,

00:58:02.860 hey can you pray for this particular situation so here they are today saying nine months ago

00:58:07.480 i asked you all to pray for prayer for what the doctors called an unviable pregnancy last week

00:58:16.160 goldie luis was born healthy praise god let's go that's awesome praise god merry christmas

00:58:25.640 to you and your husband uh no this is josiah cooper so this is the husband to your wife

00:58:32.040 and to little Goldie Louise her first Christmas. Praise God. That's awesome. Okay, you take the

00:58:37.880 next. Michael Sayan4360 sent two super chats. The first one is repeal the 19th Amendment,

00:58:45.080 no fault divorce, and bring back coverture law at common law. Coverture law was in England a law

00:58:50.460 where the wife was essentially covered under the husband. So she couldn't own property in her name.

00:58:54.740 She couldn't complete certain business transactions. It would essentially be the

00:58:58.600 husband's name that was used and he would be responsible now in return he had to provide her

00:59:02.780 with security right with caring for her provisions couldn't mistreat her couldn't mistreat her

00:59:07.060 exactly um it would probably look different for what it looked like now but regardless of whatever

00:59:12.560 flaws it would bring it would be better than what we have so correct great great comment 19th

00:59:16.960 amendment no fault divorce bring back coverture law love it love it followed up uh-oh with a

00:59:22.180 absolutely uh spiritually brown comment i think that's the best way to yeah so his first comment

00:59:27.600 michael michael saying you were on it man repeal the 19th amendment no get rid of no fault divorce

00:59:33.560 but then he can't own property but then he followed it up and he was like hey you know what

00:59:38.240 uh pakistan is i think i think they cooked west africa the entire western tradition let me read

00:59:46.220 the comment here don't like it he said uh stop forcing monogamy and bring back polygamy uh

00:59:52.500 retarded retarded yeah um polygamy is not uh people always uh andrew tate would probably be

01:00:01.360 a big example of someone bringing it back muslim might i add muslim half black half black that's

01:00:07.100 the way the east does things it's your harem it's all the wealth consolidated at the top you read

01:00:11.920 defenders of the west and the muslims would come in and they would take the town and they would

01:00:15.420 they would take for themselves the nuns and the the women of the of the town the village whatever

01:00:20.100 it would be and they keep them for their personal harem the west has not ever done that does not do

01:00:25.240 that now and should not do that the west has said you love one woman and you have a duty to her an

01:00:31.440 honor and a protection to her and it bound that honor with duty and responsibility and it's that

01:00:38.000 that built the world west africa i think something like burkina faso it's like 36 percent of marriages

01:00:42.580 are polygamous right what's west africa building now i know there's other factors than just

01:00:46.200 polygamy what is uh the middle east and islam with their multitudes of wives up to four wives

01:00:52.280 how's that going for them yeah not great what have they contributed nothing nothing how about

01:00:56.660 the world that said one man one woman which also men actually have a chance like we got to be honest

01:01:02.080 the bottom 50 percent of men they would never get married it's tough it's already tough with

01:01:07.000 monogamy for them to date to have a chance to have children uh you would destroy that but through

01:01:12.560 that you can say hey we recognize you're not going to be jeff bezos but also you have the chance to

01:01:17.840 find a woman to marry her to work hard to contribute to society and have children right so

01:01:23.460 michael don't be like that you nailed it on the first comment michael don't you know don't despair

01:01:28.460 don't despair uh that first super chat showed that you have potential you have real potential

01:01:34.120 and then you thought like i'm going to be even more based uh but it was spiritually brown it was

01:01:40.400 don't do it all right all right world that once was sent a generous super chat they said this

01:01:44.740 hi bros looking for prayer and advice 10 years ago i fell ill cause unknown now early 30s in

01:01:50.620 great shape belittle no change in the condition may not be able that's the key phrase here when

01:01:56.060 i answer may not be able to sire children and feel i can't pursue any lady saddens me and so

01:02:02.720 he's saying something happened and he doesn't elaborate in the condition but he feels as though

01:02:06.920 he's probably unlikely that if he was to be married, that he would be able to have children.

01:02:11.500 I agree. I've argued with people about this. I think William Gouge, that he's correct on this,

01:02:15.600 that the only people that are truly eligible for marriage are those that have at least some chance

01:02:19.980 of procreation. So for example, someone thought they were another gender and they went through

01:02:24.540 surgery that completely removed any ability to have children. You know what procedures I'm

01:02:28.900 talking about. If they did that and then they detransitioned back, I think I would have to say,

01:02:33.860 christian all those kinds of things like i'm ready to live for god i want a godly marriage

01:02:38.580 sorry yeah uh so in that case there's literally no possibility you are not able to perform the

01:02:45.040 function of a man but to encourage i don't know the condition i don't know the likelihood but in

01:02:50.480 this case if you are still a man you can still perform marital duties i think you have to tell

01:02:54.880 someone up front we used to have a category in our common law of defrauding someone in marriage so if

01:02:58.940 a woman knew she couldn't have children but she didn't disclose it to a spouse and then five

01:03:03.760 years to go by. He's like, why is my wife getting pregnant? Oh, I always knew I wasn't able to.

01:03:07.940 That would be defrauding. Exactly. And in that case, he would usually have some kind of recourse

01:03:12.120 that didn't actually require a divorce, but allowed for an annulment. Correct. Because he

01:03:16.500 entered the marriage on fraudulent terms. Exactly. We always used to assume when someone came into

01:03:21.400 the marriage, there was at least the possibility. Now, God in his wisdom does close wombs. He does

01:03:26.120 cause sometimes infertility in men. That happens. But I think to encourage you, be upfront, but to

01:03:32.360 say, categorically, in God's sovereignty, I mean, think of the story we just heard. Doctors, nope,

01:03:37.820 this is an unviable pregnancy. This baby will never live. She's alive today. Oh, you'll never

01:03:42.320 be able to have children. Well, the Lord knows. Be upfront, be honest, but as long as we're not

01:03:47.520 literally talking, there's no physical way for me to perform the duties of a man. In a woman's case,

01:03:52.020 no physical way to perform those duties. I think you can, if you're upfront, continue to date and

01:03:56.700 pursue marriage and uh look to god's sovereignty yep all right go ahead joel okay michael saying

01:04:02.920 he's coming back in right okay third time's the charm let's say uh the bible doesn't give women

01:04:07.540 permission to divorce all right that honestly that one i think we just have to give a whole

01:04:12.560 episode too i know what he's getting that i understand um but uh i i disagree um so i know

01:04:23.000 what he i know what he's saying um but i think that when you look again at uh the western tradition

01:04:30.800 for christians right that's why it matters we're talking about the western christian tradition the

01:04:35.820 presbyterian tradition um look at john calvin look at like all all these guys uh held very very

01:04:42.820 clearly uh that the wife could divorce for you know a few things not not a ton of things but

01:04:48.620 marital infidelity being one of them, that she could.

01:04:52.140 And so I think we have to be careful about just raw biblicism.

01:04:57.880 Like, well, me and my Bible, just me and my Bible, and I'm reading it,

01:05:01.280 and the wife is the property of the husband,

01:05:03.900 and so therefore she can't divorce him, but he can divorce her.

01:05:08.120 Yeah, I know what you're saying.

01:05:10.960 I mean, even the 10th commandment, that shall not covet,

01:05:13.920 everything is stated in the masculine vernacular.

01:05:16.580 you know like you shall not covet his house his wife his um you know his male servant and female

01:05:22.800 servant and ox and donkey or anything that is your neighbor so um i understand that i understand

01:05:27.860 male headship i understand male ownership um i i see the argument that you're making

01:05:33.080 but that's not the way the bible has been interpreted and applied not just it's one

01:05:39.160 thing if it's like well it hasn't been interpreted and applied that way for the last 80 years well

01:05:43.540 if it's if it's just for the last 80 years then i'd be like well who gives a rip who gives a rip

01:05:47.740 but we're talking about centuries and centuries and centuries within the west that's significant

01:05:53.940 and should not be thrown out lightly so maybe maybe we spend more time on that eventually maybe

01:06:01.420 we give it its own episode but we don't have enough time today to really give that comment

01:06:06.000 that he made uh justice so we'll have to do it another time all right next dakota davis sent us

01:06:15.180 big super chat twenty dollars thank you dakota he asked this how high risk should a woman be

01:06:21.100 before calling it on having more kids we have three with one on the way congratulations but

01:06:25.780 have been strongly medically advised not to have more to preserve the life of my wife wisdom issue

01:06:31.680 or just keep going. I will say a lot of times when it comes to, like I think of working on

01:06:43.120 the Sabbath, for instance, we would hold to the Sabbath. So the commandment that says on the

01:06:47.420 Lord's day, you shall do no work, you, your livestock, your sojourner, your male servant,

01:06:52.160 your female servant, you shouldn't work on Sunday. Practically, sometimes circumstances arise by which

01:06:56.860 even Jesus gives an example of this, your ox falls in the ditch. And so sometimes you're kind of

01:07:00.800 faced with it seems like both of these are a violation of biblical precept for example

01:07:05.440 purposely putting my wife in danger all else being equal that is a sin we are commanded

01:07:11.400 in i believe it's the fifth commandment sixth commandment to preserve life thou shalt not kill

01:07:16.160 does not just does not just mean you can't literally take a gun and kill people it means

01:07:20.380 you don't hate you're not negligent yeah it's not just don't murder no but stated in the positive

01:07:24.660 it is preserve, defend, and esteem the dignity of human life.

01:07:29.060 So all else being equal, to put your wife in the place where her life would be reasonably at risk,

01:07:34.680 20, 30, 40% chance of something happening to her, all else being equal, that would be a sin.

01:07:41.660 Also, simply saying, hey, I'm 29 years old. Let's use an example. I've got one kid. I think I'm

01:07:48.520 going to call it. I don't think that children are a blessing. I don't want to be the blessed man

01:07:52.320 that's tables surrounded by children. I'm going to call it. I'll go on record and say,

01:07:56.120 I think that's a sin as well. So now we're a little bit more in the gray area. We've got four

01:08:00.560 kids. Praise God. You guys have been able to have a great family. I don't know the extent.

01:08:06.200 Strongly medically warned. Let's say it's kind of a 50% chance that there could be some severe

01:08:11.140 complications with the pregnancy. So on both of those, it kind of seems as if both,

01:08:16.680 I could be sinning by having more children. I just gave into fear. Nope. I'm unwilling to even

01:08:22.120 even try for another one willing to unable unwilling to see where it even goes on the other

01:08:27.060 side i'm going to disregard my wife's life and we're just going to go for it there's risk of sin

01:08:31.420 on both sides i don't know the specifics of the situation i mean i think we would say what we've

01:08:36.440 said at other times which one seems more likely does it seem more likely that you're uh negligently

01:08:41.900 putting your wife's life at risk or more likely that you're simply kind of giving into a doctor

01:08:47.160 said the next one might not go well so yeah we're gonna call it we're stressed out as it is yeah

01:08:51.580 Well said. So I think one, it's, uh, what's more likely also to, it's not just likelihood,

01:08:56.500 but it's also, uh, what is the risk if, if this proves to be the case, what would the consequence

01:09:02.720 be? Right. So there are plenty of things like where my wife and I, we, you know, we've, we've

01:09:06.340 made plenty of decisions where, um, we've taken a kid to the urgent care, right. When it's like,

01:09:11.360 you know, my wife, you know, talking with her and, you know, we're like, yeah, we would put

01:09:15.400 this in terms of likelihood, we'd put this at like a 3%, 3% chance that, you know, that the

01:09:22.320 kid's going to die or this is, you know, really, really dangerous or severe or whatever. But here's

01:09:27.500 the deal. There's one, the likelihood of something coming to pass. And then number two, if it did

01:09:31.560 come to pass, what would the severity of the consequences be? Because if we're talking about,

01:09:36.600 well, it's only a 3% chance, but in that 3% chance, the consequence is death, right? That's

01:09:43.180 that's pretty severe you know so those are the kinds of things that need to be weighed uh weighed

01:09:48.460 now you know i can't help but think of covid with all this it's like well there's a you know

01:09:53.000 what the problem with covid is number one um they were lying and saying that the likelihood of death

01:09:58.580 was far higher than it actually was and then two um based off of that they were then stripping away

01:10:05.460 liberty for the entire population nobody could leave their home nobody could go to church so

01:10:11.780 that's different. In the case of this isn't the whole population and this isn't, we're not talking

01:10:16.080 about civil legislation. We're not talking about laws confining people to their home. We're talking

01:10:22.080 about counsel, not command, but counsel for an individual and his wife, he and his family.

01:10:32.000 And so I would just say that in that, like, is it, you know, what's the likelihood of

01:10:36.820 you listening to your doctor and your doctor actually being wrong that he's being a bit extreme

01:10:44.020 and overstating the case and your wife is not really in that much danger and you actually could

01:10:47.900 have had been more fruitful multiplied and um and you you know chose not to right the likelihood

01:10:54.660 there all right what's on the other end what's the likelihood that your doctor is right and that

01:11:00.560 you would be jeopardizing your wife's life and the mother of your four children that you already

01:11:07.480 have that the Lord has immensely blessed you with. So weighing the likelihoods and then looking at

01:11:12.160 the consequence. If your doctor's right, the consequence is your wife could die. If the

01:11:17.280 doctor's wrong, the consequence is you multiplied times two and you could have multiplied times

01:11:24.160 2.5 by having a fifth child, you know, or three, three X, right? Nothing to scoff at three X,

01:11:30.940 six kids. Um, those are the, those are the consequences. One, I think you can see is

01:11:36.260 heavier than the other. So at the very end of the question, he said, um, is this a wisdom issue

01:11:41.260 or should I just go for it? Meaning have more kids. I would say, um, as hardcore as we are

01:11:47.720 here at right response ministries, um, I'm going to, I'm going to say, uh, strongly, I believe

01:11:52.440 this it's a wisdom issue yep it's a wisdom issue uh i'm not going to sit here and bind your

01:11:57.280 conscience um that you must keep impregnating your wife every single chance you get at the

01:12:04.880 risk of her life that's simply not my position call me lib but uh that's not my position all

01:12:10.780 right i'm gonna hit a bunch of these real quick michael's saying um the guy the guy won't quit

01:12:18.540 god bless him uh he's persistent right it's like he's gotta be that guy the widow who knocks at the

01:12:23.600 door 10 times go ahead what i was gonna say like you have guys night at church and he's like chasing

01:12:27.440 people down in the parking lot have you heard about biblical polygamy there's sorry get over

01:12:32.820 here yeah sir yeah it's like they're talking about like the weather and it's like yeah but

01:12:36.620 what about polygamy you know so uh you gotta you gotta you gotta respect uh the persistence here

01:12:42.740 um so here we go he uh he wrote in a couple times we got three more super chats from uh michael

01:12:47.980 saying, but our policy is we're going to read the super chats. So we're going to honor the policy.

01:12:52.460 Here we go. Women are not permitted to divorce. They are under the rule of man. Call me. I will

01:12:59.120 tell you all about it. Send you even a free book. I can help marriage, divorce, and remarriage

01:13:05.700 contracts and covenants. All right. Next super chat. Monogamy promotes equality, but polygamy

01:13:12.640 promotes patriarchy. I think there are other ways to promote patriarchy besides polygamy. I don't

01:13:17.200 think it's exclusive in that sense but i understand your general point i disagree but i understand

01:13:22.680 your point uh third and final super uh super chat he wrote monogamy uses dowry polygamy uses bride

01:13:30.620 prices those are your super chats they have been read live on the air i feel like we've already

01:13:35.820 responded so i don't really have anything else last one here we go uh this is from vit loss

01:13:41.320 vit loss gonna go with that loss there we go uh five dollars super chat we appreciate it he said

01:13:46.700 many came to the faith by forced conversion, right?

01:13:50.600 So I think he's thinking of the Crusades, perhaps.

01:13:53.360 We're Crusades, respecters.

01:13:56.120 I feel as though it is my place to take a wife in such a way.

01:14:03.820 Is this grandiosity or discernment?

01:14:08.440 Many came to the faith by forced conversion.

01:14:11.240 I feel as though it is my place to take a wife in such a way.

01:14:15.380 i don't know what you mean by that if you mean uh that i should take a wife like the tribe of

01:14:22.020 benjamin took wives if you remember that story in the bible that they went and just like bopped

01:14:27.520 them over the head and physically throw them over the shoulder uh if you're saying uh uh some people

01:14:33.060 came to faith through a forced conversion due to the crusade charlemagne those kinds of things

01:14:36.760 and i'm going to take a wife through the same means meaning against her will i'm going to marry her

01:14:43.280 um i i gotta i gotta again at the risk of sounding like a lib i i just i feel like i

01:14:50.360 have an obligation as a christian man as a pastor as a husband as a father to say

01:14:54.140 i would not recommend that um i'm gonna have to say you will take that wife and you will wake up

01:15:00.140 and she will have divorced you already yeah paperwork filed yeah please don't so um again

01:15:05.280 i appreciate the grit i appreciate you know the the vigilance um maybe just re-channel it in a

01:15:13.740 different direction i would not advise that um but first half positive uh comment regarding the

01:15:21.500 crusades based and charlemagne much of northern europe not quite to britain but northern europe

01:15:26.360 he converted at the sword or i should say forced profession by the force profession nobody can

01:15:32.260 convert the heart but the holy spirit of god regenerating the heart of man right so but in

01:15:36.860 terms of hey you need to profess you know say christ is lord um yeah uh that happened and here's

01:15:43.380 the deal i i do believe that many of them turned out to be genuine conversions right that god

01:15:48.940 actually saved nations by being conquered by a christian nation that many of them actually did

01:15:55.540 come to true saving faith uh worse things have happened worse things have happened and who michael

01:16:02.200 saying hopping in bottom of the ninth one more thanks for reading the super chats you are welcome

01:16:08.240 god bless you that's it for the string hope you guys have been blessed and we will see you guys

01:16:13.040 lord willing next time which will be friday at 3 p.m central time godspeed

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