In this episode, the brother and sister in Christ discuss the election of Donald J. Trump as President of the United States of America. They discuss his campaign strategy, his campaign platform, and why he should have been elected in 2016.
00:28:11.520And then he has to pick off either Pennsylvania or Wisconsin and Mission in some combination, and that will get him over.
00:28:17.540The hard thing about Pennsylvania is we're probably not going to know because they had several polling locations in very red counties that had major tech glitches, and the whole system was shut down for several hours today.
00:28:29.200I think they switched to paper ballots.
00:28:30.760Yeah, and they extended the—well, some of them they said you can write the paper ballots and we can submit it to the courthouse.
00:28:36.340Some of them just waited and they got it fixed.
00:28:37.860But they extended the polling hours until 10 o'clock p.m.
00:28:43.360And so at least in those counties, which could figure heavily because they're deep red counties, they might not even be done with the polls until 10 o'clock p.m. Eastern time.
00:29:23.220Well, he just texted me that he's ready, but we're talking about Stephen Wolf.
00:29:27.200You guys, most of you probably don't know, you know Stephen Wolf, the PhD and author
00:29:31.680of The Case for Christian Nationalism.
00:29:33.160And what you don't know is Stephen Wolfe, the other side of him, who lives on a farm and herds goats and builds sheds in the backyard with his boys and shoots guns and also will probably struggle to hop on a live show.
00:29:44.620I was going to say, Joel and Stephen Wolfe are kindred spirits in this way.
00:29:48.520We are kindred spirits in our ignorance of technology and sadly for me, not kindred spirits in our brilliance and having a PhD in political philosophy.
00:30:03.160all right all right all right all right on it i was gonna say though florida great male but i
00:30:10.380republican leadership and the state itself it's not just like he's done a good job and the state's
00:30:15.300just been kind of like steady red it's shifted dramatically it used to be like the closest state
00:30:21.180every year all the money was dumped by both campaigns into that state and it was pretty
00:30:27.580much like every other election cycle it went democrat or republican 2000s right the hanging
00:30:32.260chad thing the dimple chads the hanging i mean they get like three hurricanes a week yep the
00:30:36.460bridges are like back like they get knocked over 24 hours they're back up florida is an example
00:30:40.900like you do not have to live in incompetency here we go here we go
00:30:47.080all right okay one of the great uh christian princes steven wolf he won there was a straw
00:30:55.460poll someone did on twitter oh he did he won and he was selected did it come down to a wolf versus
00:31:00.280wolf it was wolf wolf and dusty deavers ah that makes three of them dusty here and die yep yep
00:31:07.240all right what is any more updates i'll throw this stat out there which is really interesting
00:31:14.380go for trump according to exit polling so this is not the final numbers but according to exit
00:31:18.320polling trump has set the record for the most the highest percentage of hispanic voters in gop0.95
00:31:24.000history all that while running on a platform of deporting all the illegal immigrants because they
00:31:31.460want the people that have not done it they do right and done it right that's that's a little
00:31:36.600generous with the terminology yes but they recognize that people just pouring over the
00:31:40.680border with no connection not even able to work to rent this ever the other is destructive not
00:31:45.760just to other people the other countrymen yep to them themselves yep yep yep it's true and um this
00:31:52.680is, according to Steve Dace, Bush set the record before that, W, 44% in 2004. And that
00:32:00.480was a massive win. The GOP won the popular vote that year, too.
00:32:13.140Mr. Wolf. Dr. Wolf. I apologize. I'm so sorry. Can you hear us?
00:32:19.360i can't i oh nathan we don't have earphones but no my fault my fault oh there we go
00:32:26.600okay i can hear you now all right just talk for a second steven what what you can hear me
00:32:37.280oh yeah i can hear you yep you're good background but yeah yeah i i called you mr wolf instead of
00:32:42.940dr wolf but now i'm remembering that um i think it's only the libs that you that you make use
00:32:48.060uh the doctor title right yeah that's right that's right okay yeah cool how are you doing
00:32:53.700call me steven and uh and yeah the enemy call me doctor amen that was so funny dude the mother
00:33:01.020jones article did you end up reading it the one with that had like me and you and william and
00:33:05.500everybody oh yeah did you read it yeah it was so funny when they quoted you the journalist
00:33:10.960and like i talked to uh this is how you know they're like this is how ridiculous these uh
00:33:15.240these you know uh far alt-right you know men are uh i talked to uh steven he said that uh he would
00:33:21.940only uh take an interview if i if i agreed to call him dr wolf who is an expert on christian
00:33:28.080nationalism i've done that i think i've done that with like four or five journalists and she's the
00:33:36.020only one who said yes um you didn't actually meet the deal though because she only said it once and
00:33:42.760it was only basically but but yeah actually i was surprised she replied back and said okay i'll do
00:33:49.340that and i was like well now i'm stuck i said i'd do it a few that's the only reason why i took that
00:33:56.820interview was because of that yeah yeah i i like a hilarious interview so i was like you know so
00:34:03.080i'm glad that i did i kind of wish i rambled on about like sophocles or like aristotle or something
00:34:09.120like that but i'll do that next time next journalist lecture and like you know aerosol
00:34:14.300beautiful i um yeah i i refused the interview they reached out to me and asked and um
00:34:20.480and then i got like a an email the day that they were about to publish and said this is your last
00:34:25.500i got multiple emails and i kept ignoring them and this is your last time to correct the record
00:34:29.640you know uh i'm we're gonna print this you know blah blah blah blah blah and um and and so i you
00:34:35.660know i i gave my clarifying answers but um but the truth i gave them the truth but the truth was uh
00:34:41.260what they had seen in clips like uh they're like is this really your position in my position on
00:34:45.740all four of their questions was actually worse than what they thought so they're like you don't
00:34:51.300actually think that uh you know that uh women shouldn't vote do you and i was like um well
00:34:55.520yes i absolutely do so anyways it was funny cool so how are you feeling do you feel uh0.99
00:35:02.200white-pilled are you black-pilled what were you thinking no it's white pill all the way even
00:35:06.860okay so there is a there's a site i don't know if you guys have been showing it but they're the
00:35:11.980new york times of all places has the best like metric on their website best set of metrics
00:35:19.520and even the new york times right now is predicting so it's like an overall victory i don't know how
00:35:25.020they put the data together and all that but they're saying that right now essentially trump
00:35:29.240is in it to win like on the little indicator thing says says that it's leaning to trump and
00:35:34.480it's been moving that way since i opened about an hour ago so and now it's predicting 287 for
00:35:41.480his electoral votes his uh points 27 and i think uh let's see i have it right here
00:35:49.000went from too close to call to lean trump and then to uh yep 284 uh electoral college with
00:35:54.880they're projecting nice now i only a little bit because i watched this they had actually i thought
00:36:00.680a better one in 2016 and uh i remember watching it started off as like 90 for hillary and it
00:36:10.660slowly over an hour just did one of these things a little little meter thing and it went all the
00:36:16.420way 90 to trump and i was just like losing my mind because i was a you know i've been a i've
00:36:21.120been a, I'm a three-time Trump voter, uh, supporter from the beginning. So, um, so yeah,
00:36:26.840it was amazing. Yeah. And I, well, you know, what's great about that day? If I, I just give
00:36:31.260a little story is my father was like a hardcore Trump fan, like the sort of guy who has like a
00:36:37.100Trump hat in every room just in case he needs to put it on for some reason. And he was absolutely
00:36:41.740that, that kind of guy. And I was in Louisiana at the time and he was in California and I called
00:36:47.380to him and and he was just in shock i was in shock he like teared up and was so excited it was one of
00:36:53.380those like moments of father son where we was just a wonderful little moment so um yeah he he would
00:37:01.740definitely be he'd have twice the trump hats right now so it's pretty great to see trump winning
00:37:07.560did he pass away he's he's no longer with us yeah he yeah he did about about year and a half ago so
00:37:13.340okay um real real quick what um give us three reasons um why you voted for trump
00:37:21.060how do you see it what are the biggest things christians should be thinking about like this is
00:37:26.580why you needed to vote for trump yeah i mean one would be immigration uh that's kind of obvious
00:37:34.200the other one would be foreign policy so um that's a big one and the third one is probably more i
00:37:40.420don't know phil soft i suppose but he he i i see trump as like apart from the man he's like type
00:37:46.500of event in history you know kind of like this might be exaggerated but kind of like the french
00:37:51.560revolution sort of thing that it opened up like a lot of bad ways you know but it's it changed the
00:37:57.440course of history and it opened up all these possibilities liberalism other things you know
00:38:02.440so some things that are bad but but it was the sort of thing you you you reinterpret over time
00:38:07.460um and uh i think trump is that as the man is going to be this figure who's interpreted
00:38:13.740for a century or two centuries from now or more as like uh someone who's shaped history which is
00:38:20.880very ironic given it's you know it's trump it's got it's one of those weird like funny ironies
00:38:25.960um but i think because of him in 2016 like he opened up the possibility to think outside of
00:38:33.600the mainstream mainstream conservatism that was locked in a type of reaganism but but but more
00:38:40.740than that like a more of a post uh soviet type conservative liberalism exemplified in george
00:38:46.880bush and mitt romney and sean mccain uh and he shattered all that and that's why i think he
00:38:54.400his victory in 2016 was um opened up the doors for people like you and myself and myself to
00:39:03.380to say things uh and to argue for ideas that are not new but old but he just made that possible
00:39:10.460so i think a third term even more could is part of that overall movement so that's my third reason
00:39:16.300that's great go ahead uh steven i we were talking uh ron mcintyre he had a great episode
00:39:21.740nationalism is on the rise not just here like if trump wins tonight and it's a resounding blowout
00:39:27.500i know he hasn't ran on an explicit explicitly nationalistic program which you could talk about
00:39:32.700like it seems like uh like the alternative for deutschland party out in europe that's gaining
00:39:36.500ground uh russia i mean they were they were communists the wall falls in 89 they're a full
00:39:42.060blown nationalistic uh they banned lgbtq groups as terrorist organizations so it seems almost
00:39:47.660globally there's a move and a swing towards nationalism uh i don't know if you could speak
00:39:53.300to that or what you would say if you're seeing the same thing or there's some caveats there
00:39:56.280there certainly is like a reaction uh going on and that's why uh the the the far right
00:40:04.220well i say far right but the the right wing party from uh marine le pen in france i forget they
00:40:09.840changed their name i don't know what it's called now but that's gaining ground and a significant
00:40:13.700force as you said uh the what is alternative for germany um or uh what is it uh well what's their
00:40:20.700acronym i forget now but afd afd thank you they are a significant force in in germany and other
00:40:29.100places as well so i mean even in like england you have uh you have the the what is it called
00:40:34.360the reform party has caused some trouble as well yes um in england and so yeah there is this rise
00:40:41.000of uh it certainly is a reaction to mass immigration largely i think that's the main reason and he
00:40:48.720mentioned hungary as well so hungary is a very much a working class response to immigration
00:40:54.820because they they uh they want to maintain their wages they know that the immigration depresses
00:41:02.020wages so that that's like that's why hungary has a right-wing part uh right-wing power um but yeah
00:41:07.560in the u.s as well we're seeing a similar uh reaction and it is a type of nationalism and
00:41:12.980it's exemplified in like in someone in jd vance i mean some of his rhetoric you never you don't
00:41:18.700hear stuff like that in mainstream politics his idea of a home the idea that people would fight
00:41:24.720for a home not for ideas um that it's that the america is a place with a people and a history
00:41:31.120he even talked about on joe rogan just the other night remember uh uh towards the end of the
00:41:36.600interview with joe rogan he mentioned the post-war consensus yeah did you hear vance uh talking about
00:41:41.840that yeah so that's making it through um which is so interesting that that comes from rusty
00:41:48.540he's our guy yeah like that comes from rusty reno and uh it's now it's like a protestant
00:41:54.740thing that's making its way in the new right i really think that jd vance is connected to
00:42:00.520the new right in ways that like in the the left says this and i think they're right like he is
00:42:05.320He's connected and he's influenced by that crowd, maybe more of a Roman Catholic crowd, but still he's influenced in that way.
00:42:15.780So that kind of rhetoric is, I mean, you can call it nationalism, I don't know, whatever you want to call it, but the emphasis away from ideas that were an economic zone and more towards where people in a place, that is something occurring all across the world.
00:42:33.620And in Europe, that sort of stuff was kind of natural to them in a way.
00:42:37.540But in America, I mean, you just listen to the rhetoric of Reagan from the 80s and his speeches.
00:42:43.460And he's he's more emphasizing that people come here and it's an idea and they can and they can be one of us and they contribute economically.
00:42:51.220It's as if the the the pilgrims came here for economic freedom as opposed to founding a place where they can worship God.
00:43:00.120but now that is being rejected and the type of reaganism might have served us well in the 80s
00:43:06.360like perhaps um but uh but now that's all uh starting to change and i think if you know trump
00:43:12.760wins and i expect him trump to win vance is like the successor to to trump and and uh so we'll see
00:43:19.720he's most likely going to be a president or at least run right yeah i was just gonna say like
00:43:26.440if nothing else you know if four years of you know the last four years of biden harris um it'll
00:43:33.120have all been worth it if it means that um that we get you know our eight years of trump followed
00:43:39.140by you know eight years of vance instead of um right four or eight years of uh of pence i mean
00:43:46.760yep mike pence just perfectly embodies you know you're just you're you're boomer con um it's it's
00:43:53.860the lip service that evangelicals have supported for decade after decade after decade of giving
00:44:01.220lip service to the things that evangelicals want and rightly want, like the end of abortion and
00:44:07.760those kinds of things. But there's not action. Like these guys, all these guys, they were hiding
00:44:14.980behind Roe. Now that Roe's actually gone, these guys aren't going for the jugular. They're not
00:44:20.400making any headway. If you felt comfortable voting for George Bush, then you should have
00:44:25.420no problem voting for Trump. If you got out there and voted for Romney, you should vote for Trump.
00:44:31.600And so I think, if nothing else, in God's providence and kindness towards us, which we
00:44:36.560don't deserve, the last four years allowed us just to switch up the team a little bit to get
00:44:42.640a second term of Trump, but with a better administration. And I do think that Vance
00:44:50.800is our guy. I think he's following some of us, honestly. And here's the thing.
00:44:57.260It's not just that we think it, our enemies think it. And I love, like one of my consistent
00:45:02.200prayers, you know, wake up in the morning, I say, God, what our enemies are saying in your
00:45:08.260kindness, make it true. You know, make Trump the man that our enemies think he is, you know, and
00:45:14.460Mother Jones, you know, like, this is what you got to understand the Theo bros, understand JD Vance,
00:45:19.000you know, he's best friends, you know, with Nate Fisher, and he's reading, you know, the case for
00:45:24.200Christian nationalism by Wolf. And I think I saw him playing poker the other night, you know,
00:45:28.560with Joel Webin, and I'm just sitting here and I'm like, well, make it true, God. Make it true.
00:45:34.820go ahead were you gonna say something i i can say that um yeah that there
00:45:42.840you know our separation from vance is not is not that far um i i can't say that he listens to us
00:45:51.260or you or reads me or anything like that but i think the within the network of friends um in the
00:45:56.860kind of new right uh you know network i think he's he's connected to that so so that that's
00:46:04.800And in this way, though, the left, I think the left is right, that they're correct, that there is a, you know, that there is a right wing movement and it is influencing people, including people of power, especially younger people who are largely rejecting.
00:46:21.880I mean, another thing about Trump, again, is like he opened up the possibility that we can get over the kind of George Bush mentality of conservatism.
00:46:30.640Like he got over that. And now younger people who are not stuck in the ways of the rhetoric of television and what they learned from the 80s.
00:46:38.380Now they can actually adopt ideas that, again, are older and kind of predate Reagan that are American.
00:46:47.100But now they're possible. Now you can affirm them.
00:46:49.300And, you know, next 10, 20 years, we're going to see them even more as these guys who are wisely maybe keeping their head down eventually pop up and do great things.
00:47:01.040Stephen, I have a question that's in kind of a couple parts.
00:47:04.740So a couple years ago in one of the articles you wrote about, yes, it's okay to love your nation, you mentioned just the simple idea of fly your flag, right?
00:47:16.140Don't be afraid to and, in fact, be proud of flying your flag.
00:47:19.300Secondly, Trump has talked some, although not as recently, about the fact that America's 250th anniversary is right around the corner and that if he were to win, he would throw the biggest celebration and birthday party for America that you can imagine.
00:47:35.720Thirdly, I saw, I think it was Michael Foster today say on Twitter, that the coalition that's gathering around Trump, while it might be good in the short term, will probably open the door to a secular kind of secular conservatism.
00:47:49.780I'm curious what you think about the spirit of America.
00:49:15.040I understand the fear of that. But at least for our part, my response would be that the left is going to remain radical.
00:49:23.360They're still going to control most of the institutions, the media, academia, journalism and other places and a lot of a lot of local and state, you know, appointments and politics.
00:49:32.800So they're not going to go anywhere. And one of the reasons the new right exists is because of reaction to those guys.
00:49:39.740and then you add to it the fact that a lot of what we're doing is just trying to recover an old
00:49:44.880reformed political view or old protestant views and that's just beginning i think i really think
00:49:50.980we're at the beginning of a new era of uh of protestant thought because we're recovering
00:49:55.820things that were lost so that that's not going to end um also trump getting elected he still
00:50:01.780continues to uh because i think that the the mainstream the center right wants trump to lose
00:50:09.340This is why David French wants him to lose, because they know that he represents a change of conservatism.
00:50:15.920And if he loses, that means it failed.
00:50:20.420This is why they wanted him to lose in 2016.
00:50:23.120This is why him winning was a catastrophe for them, because him winning opened the door, like I said.
00:50:28.720And him winning this year will also be a type of it will continue that on.
00:50:33.380So even though I think, you know, things are going to change, I don't think it's going to change a lot of what we're doing. And yeah, I think you're right in a broad sense. He is positive about our country. He positively affirms the history of it and the people.
00:50:49.440and even though like george w bush did that he did it in a in a way that was economic zone like
00:50:56.900we're just a powerful economic and we're a force for good in the world and we get taken advantage
00:51:02.000of and you know as trump says and and uh that but trump is more like we have our own concerns that
00:51:09.180this is this goes back to the early 90s with pat pucannon pat pucannon said look we defeated the
00:51:14.140soviets um we should disengage from the world uh stop trying to be don't beat the policeman of the
00:51:20.180world don't try to liberalize the world we got our own issues here and we have a culture war
00:51:25.820happening now and he was absolutely right but instead i mean we had clinton largely did police
00:51:32.560policing the world of course george bush did that that's what mit romney and and mccain wanted to do
00:51:37.660And Obama essentially continued Bush's policies. So that's what we had. But now Trump is different. Now it's like we as a people, as Americans, we need to take care of ourselves and not be not not think as if we are like our mission in life is to invade the world and then invite the world.
00:52:00.080That's the neocon mantra right there, invade, invite the world. And Trump's the opposite. He says, no, disinvite and don't invade. And that's definitely different.
00:52:12.980So, you know, to all that being said, yeah, I think Trump reinstills in Americans this love of home and love of place and saying we need to return to looking to ourselves to kind of rebuild what is America and not try to bomb and rebuild other country.
00:52:31.700Yeah. Real quick, is there an update that you want to give?
00:52:35.000I was going to say, what does your shirt say? A lot of people are asking.
00:52:37.120Oh, yeah. What's the bottom of your shirt say?
00:59:34.720But Oklahoma State Senator is a little bit different than President of the United States.
00:59:39.160It's just, it's a little bit different.
00:59:40.460And so my hope is that, you know, with a Trump presidency, and especially not just Trump himself, but with a Trump administration, and guys like Vance, and not just Vance, but, I mean, you're talking thousands of people.
00:59:52.100all the different people that would not be able to touch the levers of power with a 500-foot pole
00:59:57.740if Kamala got the election. All of a sudden, they get a voice. They get a seat. They get
01:00:06.440to influence. And so that's my hope, is that Trump, on one hand, he serves as a tourniquet.
01:00:13.280He stops the bleeding. He buys his time. But I think it's more than just that. I'm a little bit,
01:00:17.200I don't know. It's election night. I've got a baby coming on the way. I'm stoked about that.
01:00:22.100got a little bourbon in the glass. And so I'm a little bit more white pill than to say that
01:00:26.120Trump is merely a tourniquet. Not only is he a tourniquet, Trump is a door. He's not going to
01:00:32.800go in and fix everything personally himself. But Trump is a door that not only stops the bleeding
01:00:38.980as a tourniquet, but he also opens a door and allows guys like us to be much more influential
01:11:42.380They're going to vote for Trump because they see a future under him, at least for the next four years.
01:11:47.340It's going to be a love-your-neighbor issue, that their conscience is bound to, right now, protect their own born children.
01:11:54.900None of them are going to kill their children in the womb.
01:11:59.360And they see that probably for them, the most important position is to vote in such a way where we retain our constitutional republic, at least for another four years, and we are able to not see us not have an election in four years.
01:12:18.460That's part of their argument, and I think retaining the constitutional republic for them is an extremely important position.
01:12:27.060Otherwise, we move into a total despotic tyranny, and they don't want to see that.
01:12:34.140So, you know, I understand that position for those guys.
01:12:38.040On the other hand, the guys are saying, well, look, they're going to make some of the similar arguments about where their conscience leads them and what they see in the scriptures as to the right position to take and why.
01:12:53.160And we as men in our church, we've left it with this.
01:12:57.120Guys, you have to be eager to maintain the unity of the spirit and the bond of peace.
01:13:01.940You have to let brotherly love continue.
01:13:03.740You have to outdo one another in showing honor in how you argue and hold your position.
01:13:11.940And you have to ultimately be able to come to the Lord's table with each other every Lord's Day without any ought against your brother.
01:13:19.620Because Jesus says, through the Apostle Paul, Christ is telling us that when we come to the table, we should not have division against the body.
01:13:30.200And that division is against each other because we are the body of Christ.
01:13:35.420And if we are going to aim our biggest artillery at brothers in Christ rather than at what we see as the existential threat,
01:13:45.040it's really not—we are playing into what the devil is attempting to do in dividing the church
01:13:53.020at a time where we must, you know, hold your positions, but hold them in such a way where
01:13:58.380you can take the supper together and you're not dividing the body and thereby lying about Christ.
01:14:04.880Christ is not divided in himself. He's not at odds with himself. He's not at odds with the Father.
01:14:10.440He and the Father are one by the love of the Spirit. And so have that Spirit that is in the
01:14:17.720triune God that is the spirit of love between the Father and the Son, have that spirit among you
01:14:24.300and be eager to maintain that. So, you know, again, that's not going to necessarily win
01:14:31.580arguments on either side. And I, at the same time, want to say, look, the conscience
01:14:37.060is not infallible. The conscience must be trained. We're still fallen. Sometimes the
01:14:44.000conscience can be seared due to sin and due to immaturity. It can just be uneducated or untrained
01:14:51.740in certain areas. And it can be, it must be trained in accordance with the scriptures and
01:14:57.520through wise counsel and walking with brothers in Christ in the church. So, you know, the conscience
01:15:04.920is not infallible. And I hold positions now that I didn't hold five or 10 years ago. And that just
01:15:11.800means i'm being trained by the word of god and the spirit of god and the brothers and sisters in
01:15:16.120christ uh through the preaching of the word and you you need to have humility towards others and
01:15:22.400a humility towards even where your conscience is right now and the conscience of your brothers
01:15:26.560amen i've got um jacob biller i know that you're friends with him he's a faithful member in our
01:15:33.260church and uh every lord's day um giving each other a hug taking the supper together uh one0.67
01:15:39.420body of christ he thinks that uh that i'm compromised and i think that he's dumb yeah
01:15:43.980and uh we both love each other we both said it to each other's face and uh and give each other a
01:15:48.440hug right afterwards and uh he he said publicly just the other day on x he was like uh um said
01:15:54.700something honoring me you know like so grateful for my pastor and um it can be done it can be done
01:16:00.100believe it or not you can uh you can actually disagree and love someone so go ahead i was
01:16:04.860going to say that's the one remedy like online relationships you can keep them but for the local
01:16:09.440ones where you're with people right every single sunday we come to the same table as you're saying
01:16:13.900dusty the same bread and the same wine we're equal there where we're told not to bring those
01:16:18.340grievances not to bring if we have ought against our brother like specifically you got to live in
01:16:23.120person you got to live in the same county you got to live in the same street you got to attend the
01:16:26.500same building every single week again unlike relationships with you know pastors that are
01:16:30.560across the country people that are online even celebrities when you're local that supper is given
01:16:35.620to keep you together because those are more important than uh than those online relationships
01:16:39.880yeah that's one of the things that got me in trouble um early on where i upset you know some
01:16:44.720of the abolitionists was um i'm trying to find it uh because one of the abolitionists um and he did
01:16:51.640it not not with hostility but um as a courtesy towards me he said uh he messaged me um a week
01:16:58.520ago or so and said um oh he just said hey man is there any way you could walk uh walk this back a
01:17:06.780little bit because i'm i'm doing some um some damage control you know behind the scenes with
01:17:11.220the abolitionist guys and a lot of them really do love you but um they strongly disagree with you
01:17:17.240and there was one of your tweets early on a few months ago i've i've i've been um i've been trying
01:17:21.380to be a lot more respectful uh that you know but early on in the in the debate uh something that
01:17:26.100you tweeted out that just you know some of the guys just can't get over it and and are bothered
01:17:29.820by it and uh he said um here's the here's the tweet that i put out uh um oh no that's not it
01:17:38.960um it was basically i can't find it but it was it was basically i said i i support trump because
01:17:47.180i love my children more than my i love my born children more than i love my uh enemy's unborn
01:17:53.220children and that you know that definitely provoked uh the abolitionist world um but
01:18:00.340you know and to clarify that i can't take it back because i meant it um and and i still mean it um
01:18:06.380but i can flesh it out and clarify it a little bit more um because i think that the natural
01:18:11.320question that is immediately asked or raised uh from that is uh to what degree so do you like when
01:18:18.200you say you love your born children more than your enemy's unborn children um are you saying
01:18:23.940that uh like economically like if your children you know might get a couple extra tax cuts 20
01:18:30.500years down the line when they're adults you know and uh maybe a little bit more economic ease that
01:18:35.820you would vote um for for somebody to uh to give a an inch of economic ease for your born children
01:18:43.640at the cost of the murder of your enemy's children and so i was able to clarify with this guy
01:18:50.320and say no no no that's not what i'm saying what i'm saying is as far as i see it uh you got two
01:18:55.780candidates and the death toll for unborn babies sadly if we're talking about numbers in principle
01:19:01.460there are some distinct principles between lying on a steel table and crying for your mother and
01:19:07.200left to die versus uh abortion in the womb um they they are both murder uh both images of god
01:19:14.840but there are in principle those kinds of things do play in but i'm the first guy to be willing to
01:19:19.200admit in terms of raw numbers of of the lives of children unborn children the difference in numbers
01:19:24.880between trump and kamala is negligible it really is uh but that's the basis of my argument is in
01:19:30.380that landscape so i'm not so if kamala on the one hand was like gonna abolish abortion and then
01:19:36.460trump on the other hand is going to say you can abort all the way up to seven months uh but i'll
01:19:40.820give uh tax breaks and uh help you know uh help the you know the bottom line of the gdp for uh
01:19:46.700your kids 20 years down the road well that's that's that's not my point that in that scenario
01:19:51.660then i'd have to vote for kamala i'm gonna i'm gonna have to vote for children not being murdered
01:19:55.460but what i'm saying is in um in a world that i think we're currently in our current landscape
01:20:00.000where um unborn children are uh the the difference uh numerically is negligible between the two
01:20:07.080candidates um but then but then the other candidate like you said dusty uh holds the republic together
01:20:13.020um maybe staves off world war three where our sons and daughters daughters which is is wicked
01:20:19.340in itself would uh would have to to go and die on foreign soil so uh foreign affairs holding off0.82
01:20:25.740World War III, stopping a full-blown invasion at our southern border that changes the political
01:20:31.160and cultural and spiritual landscape of the country forever, where you maybe can't get it1.00
01:20:35.940back because of too many illegal immigrants coming into the country. So immigration, foreign affairs,1.00
01:20:41.300and then just our republic as it is in all those ways. With the abortion being, again,0.97
01:20:48.660in many ways awash, negligible in terms of raw numbers. In that scenario, yes, I am willing to
01:20:56.020vote for Trump over, not even, of course, it's over Kamala, but over a third party or a write-in
01:21:02.360or non-vote to send a message because my highest, it's a natural affection argument,
01:21:08.860my highest moral obligation is, I see it with my conscience, which could be wrong,
01:21:13.140um is is to my children and not to uh and not to my enemy's children or my neighbor's children
01:21:19.600that's the last piece is like why why not just call them your neighbors why why call them your
01:21:24.040enemies um well because people who murder their children are enemies of god they've chosen to be
01:21:29.920in rebellion against god and the enemies of god are the enemies of god's people uh they are also
01:21:34.460neighbors so it's not enemy or neighbor the large category is neighbor and then in neighbors there
01:21:40.360are some of those neighbors are neighbors and brothers and some of those neighbors are neighbors
01:21:44.280and enemies and that's and that's the language i was trying to use any thoughts on that can i ask
01:21:48.560you a clarifying question yeah go for it all right when you talk about uh your enemies are
01:21:55.900you saying that you do that you think that they are beyond the uh beyond salvation that they can't
01:22:04.840come to christ are you saying that not until they're dead as long as there's breath in their
01:22:09.420lungs, there's the hope of Jesus Christ that can save a wretch. Yeah, yeah. Well, I think that's0.68
01:22:14.960important to make that clarification, distinction, because I think a lot of people, when they hear
01:22:21.040someone talk about someone as an enemy, they think, well, they are gone. They're too far
01:22:27.520gone from the gospel. There's no hope for them. And I knew you were going to answer it.0.99
01:22:33.520I both know that person, theologically, that category doesn't exist. And in the land of the
01:22:38.400living until that person goes to meet their maker and breathes their last. That category of an enemy
01:22:45.140and always an enemy without hope, that's a theological category that doesn't exist.
01:22:50.100So certainly I don't believe that. Yeah, yeah. Well, that's an important
01:22:54.160distinction to make. And sometimes, you even said it in one of your posts here very recently,
01:23:01.980maybe today or yesterday, that sometimes you say things, you're doing long podcasts,
01:23:07.480And this is part of the danger of of the long form.
01:23:11.160You end up saying some things that are kind of tongue in cheek, but then they get taken to mean something that you don't.
01:23:17.300And you don't want to you know, you don't want your argument to die the death of 10,000 qualifications.
01:23:21.860At the same time, we have to be very careful and make sure that we're clarifying whenever we can without killing an argument and recognizing that we have to be patient with each other on one side and believe the best of a brother.
01:23:42.300And we really need to be having these conversations about if we hear something that we think is off, really having that conversation with someone behind the scenes, especially because we are not enemies.
01:23:55.020You know, the abolitionists who have been making these arguments and those who have been making the arguments against abolitionists, it's gotten to such a fever pitch.
01:24:02.560And it's just it's just at a choke point now, now that it's the day of.
01:24:08.400I've really been disgusted by a lot of it.
01:24:10.660And I've told a lot of folks that we have to treat each other with love and brotherly affection,
01:24:18.440because really, we're not the ones who are going to be the existential threat.
01:24:26.340We are not the existential threat to each other.
01:24:28.560And when one hand says, well, this is the path of repentance for our nation,
01:24:33.760and the other says, well, this is the path of repentance,
01:24:35.920We're still talking about the path of repentance. We both want repentance. We don't want our enemies to be ultimately away from the preaching of the gospel.
01:24:47.060That's something that we both need to agree and then posture our arguments toward each other like that and towards like, even though we're not in the same church, we're in the same body, the same universal church.
01:24:59.720And we've got to be able to argue with each other and make make our positions clear with brotherly affection.
01:25:10.060Sadly, and you know this, we both know it, but sadly, there are some guys, not all of them, but there are some guys on both sides of the aisle, abolitionists and non abolitionists, that they did get to a fever pitch to such a degree that I you know, we got the hope of the gospel, the biggest white pill there is.
01:25:29.260so you know god can do anything and so in that sense i am hopeful but at a practical level
01:25:34.200relational level uh reconciliation for some of these guys is going to be real hard and and and
01:25:39.940in human terms looks unlikely and that is an absolute uh that's a loss that's an l that's a
01:25:46.120defeat and um and that's really sad i'm curious and you don't have to you know you're live and
01:25:50.620you're welcome to disagree with me um initially i came in hot that's kind of my mo sometimes i
01:25:55.840come in hot uh but over the last few months um what do you think as an abolitionist i've tried to
01:26:01.120clarify some of my things and treat the abolitionist with respect uh has that gone
01:26:05.820unnoticed or do you feel like do you feel like um as a guy who you know who's voted for trump
01:26:12.400um do you feel like uh is there anything you think i could have maybe done better or do you
01:26:18.340think like i think the abolitionists will be willing to partner with joel again in the future
01:26:22.900I think that they'll be willing to partner with you for sure. And I think some of this is.
01:26:30.220It's kind of like in a marriage, even, you know, we have to apologize to our wives more often than we should.
01:26:37.580And we recognize in the heat of the moment, we allowed ourselves to go places we shouldn't have.
01:26:45.460And we have to apologize after the fact. I think some of this with this election is going to be like that.
01:26:50.440I don't think that, again, that our relationships are beyond the gospel, beyond working out the implications of the life, death and resurrection of Christ and his current reign, that he can reconcile us and we can be ambassadors for Christ who are locked arm in arm.
01:27:07.000And with no you can't slide a piece of paper between us.
01:31:47.060And, I mean, the fines were small, but there was a deportation.
01:31:52.180But we couldn't we couldn't flex on it per the state constitution. So that might come up as a as a referendum, a ballot initiative in the future, because, you know, and I think that's going to be the case in a lot of states, especially if if Kamala were to win.
01:32:11.220And I think the states would flex their their powers. States have rights. We don't we don't fight for states rights.
01:32:17.200We flex state powers per the 10th Amendment and due process for for all of our citizens.
01:32:24.480And that that was an issue on that day of the vote.
01:32:28.300And the week before, there were maybe 2000, you know, folks who were pro illegal immigration that were at the Capitol.
01:32:39.540And they were that was probably the most raucous group that came to the Capitol.
01:32:45.560I'm not probably it was absolutely the most raucous group that came to the Capitol.
01:32:49.820There was security everywhere. The troopers were all over plainclothes officers were there.
01:32:56.120And the governor signed it in and then he created a task force to to see what we could do to strengthen our the rights for those who were here legally.
01:33:08.820And there was some some real bad headlines that came out about that. And I wrote against it several times and talked with the governor and several leaders in his office about this task force.
01:33:21.740So it is an issue for sure. And, you know, we'll we'll have to we'll have to wait and see.
01:33:30.060But I think under a Trump presidency, I don't think it will be as a hot as hot button an issue because he he's he's signaling that he's going to to to have a have a strong immigration and illegal immigration policy.
01:33:44.540So I think the states will probably pull back from that. Great. We just breaking news.
01:33:49.800yep georgia has been called for trump which is huge got georgia got him coach we got him and one
01:33:56.660um cool all right does he any other thoughts um we'll probably move on to another guest here in
01:34:02.760just a moment any other thoughts about the election or just the larger landscape the next
01:34:06.720four years what maybe this uh what you know what do we i mean much of our marching orders remain
01:34:11.800the same regardless of who wins the presidential election but in light of what seems to be likely
01:34:17.000with a trump victory um any particular strategies any particular things that christians should be
01:34:22.560focusing our energies toward over the next four years yeah for sure i mean what what what we should
01:34:29.860recognize is that we get the leaders that we deserve and that we ultimately want uh and if
01:34:35.060you have a a a citizenship that is largely you're going to have you're going to get the citizenship
01:34:42.960that's engaged. You're going to get the citizens that are most engaged are going to provide
01:34:48.920your civil service. So I think what we're seeing, not only since this year with the primaries in
01:34:59.560these various states, there were massive landslide wins for real right conservatives in numerous
01:35:08.180states. If you just look at the Freedom Caucus as an example, they had at least 106 candidates out
01:35:13.680of their 122 or so that won, which is a major win. The Freedom Caucus is the furthest right
01:35:20.720of all the conservative groups. And that was massive in Oklahoma. We saw the same, several
01:35:27.180very important candidates who were grassroots candidates in races that were projected they'll
01:35:34.840never win. Well, you saw strong Christian and real-right candidates winning those races. And I
01:35:42.280think, you know, I get calls nearly every day from folks around the country who are saying,
01:35:47.780hey, what can I do? I've seen since COVID, we were back on our heels. We were complacent. We
01:35:53.560were apathetic towards the rule of Christ in our nation and really governing not according to
01:35:58.840tyranny, but governing according to God's word. And we are seeing a massive uptick of real
01:36:06.140Christian men with backbones who are saying they're going to run for office. And that's got0.99
01:36:10.700to be at the local levels, whether it's the precinct or the county or the district and to
01:36:15.440the state levels. And I think the most important aspect since 2020, and especially in this race,
01:36:22.000is that the states are going to rise up
01:36:26.920and you're going to see more strong Christian legislators
01:36:31.460be voting into office, more candidates running for office.
01:36:36.040And that's where this really has to head.
01:36:38.480We're not going to see things change on a federal level
01:36:42.000until we see things change at the very most local levels.
01:54:06.540Actually some people have been asking for a map.
01:54:08.480I don't know if it's the map of the election, but, Nate, I did text you one if you could put it up, and Wes can talk us through some of these updates.
01:54:15.620Yeah, so it looks like this is the decision desk headquarters.
01:54:18.960They're projecting Bernie Moreno, Republican, wins the U.S. Senate race in Ohio, which would be a GOP flip.
01:54:24.940So we just talked 20 minutes ago how important the Senate is.
01:54:27.880You can't just—we're not a monarchy.
01:54:30.000We're not just the president's rule of law, although executive action has taken that down.
01:54:34.780Winning the Senate, winning the House are also important, too.
01:54:36.740looks like according to decision desk headquarters uh another gop senate seat flip so that's awesome
01:54:43.720trump's estimated 87 chance of victory per new york times at this point a 300 electoral college
01:54:50.560votes with a one percent popular vote margin so the projections right now he's up by three points
01:54:57.760i think over two points in wisconsin and pennsylvania jose vega see you in the chat there's
01:55:04.040map but you got it bro yep you're welcome yep so this is uh as current as i could uh screenshot it
01:55:11.020and nate can put it up from the new york times website yes you'll see right there pennsylvania
01:55:15.880wisconsin michigan wisconsin's 58 of the vote in pennsylvania's 67 percent now here's a difference
01:55:21.860and what's what's the uh wisconsin's uh pennsylvania's 51 for trump 48 for kamala
01:55:27.200and wisconsin's 50 48 for trump okay here's the difference too we're seeing between 2020 and now
01:55:33.780in georgia in 2020 fulton county that was where the pipe burst right it was so close i mean i think
01:55:40.200the margin was something like 10 000 votes that's where you had that phone call trump's hunting with
01:55:44.320the governor he's like i just need you to find me 10 000 super close counting goes on for days
01:55:49.260there will be probably some counting and some ballots still opened but it's been called now
01:55:53.420the margin of victory it's three percent at this point is such that um it's not that close anymore
01:55:58.420that even outstanding ballots remaining aren't going to be enough to overcome the deficit so
01:56:04.140this is not all the signs seem to be pointing to because i i'm sure we all have ptsd right yep
01:56:08.760looking good estimates are in you go to bed you wake up what in the world happened right michigan
01:56:15.420pennsylvania but i mean in georgia where we know fraud looked very suspicious that was the suitcase
01:56:20.660gate hauling that suitcase and pulling out ballots scanning them again and again yep that was in
01:56:25.860georgia there appears no possible way that would happen now because the margins of votes already
01:56:30.180counted mean it wouldn't even be possible to get that many and if they did it elon musk would
01:56:35.480probably be there personally he'd call this jet guy and be like we're going to georgia
01:56:39.860fulton county so georgia looking good yeah and the point is with pennsylvania uh i think the
01:56:45.060mayor or secretary of state about philadelphia county he said well it could be a couple days
01:56:49.400till philadelphia county results are in right lame white pill it might not matter yeah he's
01:56:54.860already won most of the other state by three percent there wouldn't be enough votes to be
01:56:58.740found there to overcome the difference yep yep uh i saw in the chat somebody was asking about you
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01:59:12.080uh and that'll be really cool yeah all right people are begging for ad they want to see ad
01:59:16.360they want to see ad huh the reasonable latino some other have asked what bourbon are we drinking
01:59:21.820this is walking stick single barrel bourbon it's a good bourbon i like it all right the people have
01:59:26.720spoken i'm putting it on speakerphone i'm calling ad right now your call has been forwarded
01:59:31.460he said i'm going to bed airplane mode nope i'm trying again
02:16:10.020all right we are back are we live nate we're live okay here we are we're so back whenever
02:16:18.280whenever you feel the we're so over just know that it will always inevitably be swallowed up
02:16:25.100by the unstoppable we're so bad that's right here we are um okay update so things are looking good
02:16:31.500washington and california called for kamala harris no surprise there colorado uh chase davis
02:16:36.600hardest hit uh called for kamala harris as well pennsylvania 76 of the vote in donald trump's
02:16:42.360still leading 51 to 48 i'm gonna read a breakdown so uh this is twitter account christian hayans
02:16:49.080h-e-i-e-n-s don't don't vouch for everything on their profile don't know what it is but they have
02:16:53.940some good analysis why trump is going to win in pennsylvania this is just literally eight minutes
02:16:57.820ago philly philadelphia county is only coming in for harris by 57 points when biden carried it by
02:17:03.140over 63 almost all of pittsburgh is in that's still steel country trump country trump still
02:17:08.340leads by three percent over 140 000 votes statewide and hardly any of cambria county is in yet trump
02:17:14.560carried it by 26 000 votes in 2020 just about every path to victory runs through pennsylvania
02:17:20.040trump is in a great position to win it um which is awesome trump is leading in wisconsin 51 48 with
02:17:26.30066 percent of the vote in and then michigan 52 to 46 trump is winning only 33 percent of the vote
02:17:33.540in three yep uh a lead of like 2 000 votes in arizona very very close in arizona that's not
02:17:41.620good that's if trump takes the rust belt it doesn't matter it doesn't matter but if trump
02:17:46.680was to only take pennsylvania for instance so if he loses arizona or say even nevada
02:17:51.360but sweeps wisconsin michigan pennsylvania uh doesn't really matter but that's the closest
02:17:56.980actually i would i'm glad arizona is the closest pennsylvania is the closest that's a little bit
02:18:02.200worse yeah um what's pennsylvania is what like uh 22 19 electoral votes got re uh reproportioned
02:18:09.120after census okay so what arizona is less than that right yep arizona is 12 11 11 and then
02:18:16.200nevada's six yeah michigan 16 what do you think why do you think i mean arizona used to be pretty
02:18:21.020deep red uh just california spillover or what california bleed over and it's a border state
02:18:26.420too ah yeah yep that'll do it yep and places like they're balkanizing it's funny when you look at
02:18:32.840this map um lots of places have turned red and some blue red red places in the country they're
02:18:39.140getting redder florida yeah blue places are in this election is not showing up as much but i
02:18:44.600have to think like they're getting bluer i was in downtown austin today for work and uh my goodness
02:18:49.800the amount of harris wall signs yeah in a deep red state a state that trump is about to carry
02:18:54.840downtown austin oh well yeah yeah but terrible but i'll tell you the blue are going to the cities
02:19:00.360texas is texas is trump's winning by 14 points in texas right now so that's that's pretty
02:19:09.080that's that's much better than because it only went i can't remember but i think it was like
02:19:13.40052 to 48 percent something like that uh on 2020 trump let me check what ted cruz i was just
02:19:21.060checking that so they haven't called it yet but he's up by four by 10 percent yep so that's great
02:19:25.860we'll hold the senate seat there uh we mentioned earlier it looks like the republicans will flip
02:19:30.140a senate seat in ohio right um so that would be two flip seats they would only need one more seat
02:19:34.680then to have a majority in the senate assuming jd vance takes the vice presidency um house is
02:19:41.140looking good live forecast trump now with an 89 chance of victory i said earlier one of the things
02:19:47.860to be worried about the odds creep up the things look good early 75 chance of winning we all saw
02:19:54.160we went to bed that 75 evaporated in this case instead of the evaporation as it's gotten later
02:19:59.720into the night it's continued to go up yeah that's huge now estimated 1.1 popular vote margin
02:20:06.460wow uh which would be say that again what was 1.1 1.1 popular vote margin projected 1.1 percent
02:20:13.360a 1.1 then it was 0.5 now it's 1.1 yep yep so breaking records i had a little bit to share on
02:20:21.600how disappointing some of these measures and some of these races were it's not a black pill
02:20:25.260anything else to add before that no no all right so delaware democrat sarah mcbride
02:20:34.200sarah mcbride quote you're listening wins u.s house seat the first trans identifying person
02:20:40.740to do so so we have just elected the first transgender individual the abortion amendment
02:20:48.200in florida amendment four it was 57 for 43 against yep more than half so more than more
02:20:56.340than half the state wanted it and when i voted for it but it required a 60 percent threshold to pass
02:21:01.940wow like say everything holds trump wins take senate takes house there's so much more work to
02:21:09.440do yep to seize power to crush our enemies legally of course um in the institutions but it's it's not
02:21:18.460just like you don't get out of 60 years of rebellion with a good election night and a shrewd
02:21:24.180campaign that's right that the repentance that's needed i i was comparing with someone on the phone
02:21:28.520And like the repentance, if you got into some sin and you came out of it on your own, like there's repentance and restoration needed there, depending on the damage you did.
02:21:36.260But compared to a years long affair, for instance, if you get into sin that far, the repentance process is not some counseling, some walking together and some healing.
02:21:45.380It's going to be years of building back trust.
02:21:47.680And so bring that to a national level, not just some change, not just some apostasy, but decades upon decades upon decades in all these different areas.
02:21:57.140none of that is changed by a great night tonight so praise god as we just prayed as seems to be
02:22:03.940the case donald j trump elected president a senate a house uh amendment for failing in florida
02:22:10.420praise god amen so much more work to do ben marsh posted a graph um this is religious uh attendance
02:22:20.280uh from gallup poll and it's gone down from 76 percent in 1945 to 47 percent in 2020
02:22:28.540so nationally more people than not do not now this is all religious attendance but to your point
02:22:35.860wes like we i think a lot of us have said for a while if trump wins what it does is it gives us
02:22:45.280a window for the church to become more purified more insistent more passionate more vocal more
02:22:54.220insistent on righteousness more evangelistic um and it's it's it really just buys us time to do
02:23:00.340the work that we that we need to be doing yep right okay um so do you think we're going to get
02:23:09.440an answer tonight an answer answer unless an escalator ride i don't think so apparently
02:23:17.680per fox news the harris campaign i just mentioned this a little bit ago they stopped giving comments
02:23:22.060gone dark the campaign's not you know sending out like we're looking good we're looking strong
02:23:26.800they've gone dark like nothing nothing is going their direction the common one become the harris
02:23:32.960campaign yeah so if you were to call them up like how was the campaign feeling about the path to
02:23:37.980click 80 robles style this call has been forwarded oh man that's great trump at 91
02:23:46.040chance of victory now on new york times wow wow i mean because he's up by three percent
02:23:52.200in pennsylvania he's up by three percent in wisconsin yeah he's definitely you know have
02:24:01.320georgia i don't know why i haven't called it yet but and let me tell you what too there's a lot of
02:24:05.300republicans i know it feels like well what did we fix about the voting fraud last time this that or
02:24:09.780the other praise god there's a lot of salt of the earth republicans i was getting phone calls from
02:24:14.000like here in the republican county going through voter rolls hey your address doesn't match and
02:24:18.280says you're suspended do you need to fix that a lot of good people yeah uh and again maybe they
02:24:23.280wouldn't be attending necessarily our churches in our camps but they really did get on their feet
02:24:27.460and they got out there and they said something went way wrong in 2020 yeah charlie kirk great
02:24:32.380guy yeah he went on the ground in pennsylvania he said i'm my mission is to find a hundred thousand
02:24:37.080votes i'm going to go there the margin of victory for the victory for biden was 80 000 in 2020 i'm
02:24:43.560going to get on the ground personally get money involved i'm going to find 100k votes to make a
02:24:47.620difference so praise god for people that um again they recognize there's more to be done than a
02:24:52.640presidential victory they said i'm going to roll up my sleeves and i'm going to be a poll watcher
02:24:56.280i'm going to volunteer i'm going to be a precinct chair i'm going to get out the vote i'm going to
02:24:59.520door knock that really in many ways other things too definitely move the needle on this election
02:25:04.540yeah wow wow that's good i wonder um sorry nate we've got a couple comments in audio is cutting
02:25:12.220in and out every five seconds yep um i wonder if you know like with all the
02:25:18.980indictments that have been brought against trump i wonder if uh if democrats will bring a new
02:25:25.200indictment uh for him uh just uh beating women you know it's like like he doesn't beat men
02:25:33.700but now it looks like it's like you beat two women you can be beat you you know you beat
02:25:39.480hillary clinton it's like he's a woman beater you know my word that's too funny that's a tough
02:25:44.820campaign it is kind of funny like trump like uh like three three different campaigns and uh and
02:25:52.180the one thing that he uh did 100 of the time was beat beat the women yeah uh that same account
02:26:00.520christian christian heinz 75 of philadelphia is already in there's an estimated 172 000 votes
02:26:06.280remaining in philly even if harris won 100 of these votes he would only lead trump by less than
02:26:11.3808 000 votes statewide hardly any of a couple other big pro-trump counties are in uh meaning
02:26:17.280there's really not a great path to victory in pennsylvania which almost all the election rests
02:26:22.040on pennsylvania right so lots of reasons to be optimistic they said before the election that if
02:26:26.360uh trump won pennsylvania harris only had a four percent chance of winning the general election
02:26:31.600if trump won pennsylvania wow yep wow i didn't know that you're telling me that for the first
02:26:37.900time great yeah awesome well joel do you think we're going to get a hold of any of these uh
02:26:45.280these other guys uh i don't know it's i i um i went out there and i checked on megan to see
02:26:51.200how she's doing if there's any development on the on the on the the baby horizon um
02:26:58.400which i don't know i kind of have a feeling uh baby might be coming could could happen tonight
02:27:04.080salutary birth yeah it could happen tonight could happen tomorrow but definitely i think soon she's
02:27:10.460um she said she started to feel like a little bit of tightness we always you know like we we try to
02:27:16.640labor as much at home as possible so she's laying down and just trying to rest because it's not
02:27:22.420not that uncomfortable at this point um but uh yeah so i checked on her i got some water i didn't
02:27:28.120end up calling anybody send a few more texts and it seems like most most of the guys are
02:27:33.940feeling pretty because they started you know at five o'clock this morning right exactly and they're
02:27:38.580And I think they're feeling optimistic and they're like, all right, we got it.
02:40:12.820Okay, so one of his terms, Bush won the popular vote.
02:40:16.600But the point still stands that the vast majority of the time,
02:40:20.100over at least the last 30 years or so um republicans you know they they do win sometimes but uh rarely
02:40:26.220do they win the popular vote it's usually um falls to the electoral college so for trump to be up
02:40:31.260um one percent which doesn't sound like a lot but just keep in perspective it's a lot usually the
02:40:37.640the republican candidate doesn't win the popular vote at all and right now he's up by a full
02:40:41.920percentage point projected to keep it too and projected to keep it yep uh and that's in the
02:40:46.960popular vote and uh and then that will um absolutely mean um maybe not a landslide but a
02:40:53.520solid solid victory in the electoral college uh last state update so pennsylvania 81 of the vote
02:41:00.080in trump the lead by three percent 200 000 votes uh michigan 40 in trump leading by five percent
02:41:07.960almost 110 000 votes trump in wisconsin 70 of the vote in up by three percent about 75 000 votes as
02:41:16.600well there new york times is all of them leaning republican all of them okay so go back real quick
02:41:21.560so this is the rust belt go back to minnesota is the only one that's not really leaning trump okay
02:41:26.060go back to um pennsylvania what was it pennsylvania 81 of the vote is in so a lot four-fifths and
02:41:32.820trump is up 51 to 48 for a total of about 200 oh we just extended it about 210 000 votes
02:41:40.840that would have to be made up from philadelphia county michigan 40 of the vote is in trump up by
02:41:48.020five percent 115 000 votes wisconsin 70 of the vote in trump's up by three percent if he takes
02:41:55.760these wisconsin's 10 michigan is 15 pennsylvania is 19 he's one with georgia where georgia isn't
02:42:03.780called yet by new york times but it's gonna go for trump so just those three plus georgia uh even if
02:42:09.660they take arizona and nevada he's still got it yep which he likely won't uh the way early voting
02:42:14.500looks but uh if those are wrapped up he won't what uh arizona it doesn't look too close for
02:42:20.420to trump he's pulling ahead it's still pretty close but um let me check once just quickly on
02:42:26.520that ballot on elect abortion that i mentioned earlier oh the arizona one yep yeah arizona this
02:42:31.380is proposition 139 uh carrie lake is losing by about six percent we called attention to that
02:42:37.820earlier proposition 139 is yes to 130 yes 63 this proposition would amend the state of arizona's
02:42:47.580constitution to establish a fundamental right to the procedure limiting the state's power to
02:42:51.520interfere with this right before fetal viability which on the books and jeff durbin and those guys
02:42:55.920they fought it it was on the books that abortion was illegal i remember in arizona like it's still
02:43:00.620on the books and this is going to remove it in a state that's about to vote for trump yeah likely
02:43:05.160or it'll be very close which state arizona um wicked yeah and you said florida that uh
02:43:13.800it did not pass did not pass but it needed uh not a simple majority but a 60 percent to pass
02:43:18.920and it got 57 percent and it barely that was with ron desantis who is he fought tooth and nail for
02:43:27.960that thing i heard steve day saying today um that ron desantis fought by himself with the group of
02:43:34.440ragtag grassroots people and none of the pro-life uh organizations did anything to help with that
02:43:39.880right really yeah uh dave logan said um uh bush won the popular vote after 9 11. that checks out
02:43:47.320the context oh that makes sense yeah and trump won florida at this point all the votes are in
02:43:51.080pretty much he won it by 13 wow yeah so by 57 56 he won and 56 7 voted for the ballot trump was
02:44:01.160against it and he didn't do a great job fighting he could have fought it more uh de santis fought
02:44:05.140it well dave said that of the ballots cast so far 22 to 23 percent of all total ballots have
02:44:15.140been from evangelicals which is very very low yep 25 normally yep if not higher yep and you're
02:44:22.460talking about with uh the amendment no just in this election white turnout is down it's way down
02:44:28.840Yeah, it's down. A lot of them feel betrayed. And I get it. I understand. And yet, here's the sad reality. Again, this is just descriptive, you know, just acknowledging the lay of the land. We're not saying that, oh, yeah, this is great. But Trump is getting, you know, big picture is Trump is getting less of the evangelical turnout. And yet is more than moderate is more poised to win.
02:44:57.340yep yep um and so you know like all all the guys who you know and i remember thinking this
02:45:03.800for several months now uh but all the guys saying like you know um you know if trump loses the
02:45:10.340election because he it's because he lost the evangelical vote he has no one to blame but
02:45:14.560himself well it turns out um trump did the calculus and he made the right decision um i'm not i'm not
02:45:21.640saying he made the morally right decision the politically right but yeah but what i'm saying
02:45:25.320is that, sadly, that's where we are right now,0.98
02:45:28.720is that evangelicals are so puny and so weak0.98