The NXR Podcast - THE LIVESTREAM - Return To The Land, Eric Aarvoll, & Freedom of Association

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00:00:26.800 so there's a new neighborhood that's popping up in arkansas called return to the land and what

00:00:36.960 we're doing in this episode today is we have invited the guy who's leading this project his

00:00:43.140 name is eric arville now this neighborhood is a little bit unique in the sense that it has clear

00:00:49.700 guidelines for who is allowed to live there and who is not and this is causing a bit of a stir

00:00:56.760 a controversy if you will is it discrimination is it racist is it wicked or is this simply a freedom

00:01:04.460 of association for myself personally as i think about these matters i do at least at bare minimum

00:01:11.780 find it a bit ironic that on the one hand you would have people who would say you're terrible

00:01:18.460 you're wicked you're racist and also please let me live next to you that's one thing that i struggle

00:01:26.800 to reconcile why is it such a big deal if people are terrible that everyone has to be able to live 0.99

00:01:34.400 right next to the terrible people this is the conversation we're going to be having with the

00:01:39.320 founder of this neighborhood again eric arville the name of the project is return to the land

00:01:46.860 Tune in now.

00:01:58.420 All right, we are back.

00:02:00.940 It is a Monday afternoon, 3 p.m. Central Time.

00:02:04.120 As I said, we have a special guest.

00:02:05.860 Eric, thanks for coming on the show.

00:02:07.180 Would you just introduce yourself to our listeners?

00:02:11.740 Sure, yeah.

00:02:12.400 glad for uh the invitation the opportunity to speak with you guys i said before we uh went live

00:02:18.080 i love your studio it's what i was going for but you did it much better and i'm a little jealous

00:02:22.240 uh one day i'll get there uh no my name's eric orwall so arval is my screen name that's the

00:02:28.960 norwegian version of my last name uh yeah just to get rid of that confusion but no we got started

00:02:35.820 about two years ago with the community here. We purchased the property in October of 2023

00:02:42.540 with a few families, less than a dozen initial members that pooled resources and made it happen.

00:02:51.080 And it was a long time coming. I've been wanting to do a community like this for over 10 years.

00:02:55.880 I've been kind of promoting the idea in right-wing circles, primarily online. And recently, I think

00:03:02.900 people have just had enough of the double standards. They're tired of being demonized.

00:03:08.920 And it's, it's kind of normalized where even people like Tucker Carlson will talk about,

00:03:14.580 you know, the great replacement theory or the idea that whites are becoming minorities in all

00:03:18.860 these countries. A lot of people really are concerned about it, you know, and I don't just

00:03:23.200 think about what I'm going to experience in my own lifetime or what my kids are going to experience.

00:03:27.440 I think, what is this country going to look like for my grandkids and my great grandkids 0.51

00:03:32.380 when whites are projected to be a small percentage of the population you know uh right now whites are

00:03:38.860 a small percentage of the population in south africa and they are severely mistreated both by

00:03:44.580 the law and in terms of violent crime so in order to avoid that fate uh the only option that i really

00:03:52.520 saw was building intentional communities for our own people where our a kind of biological nature

00:04:00.400 as a distinct people is preserved and then be our culture traditions and way of life um i think

00:04:08.080 everyone deserves that dignity i think other groups in the u.s are doing the same thing also

00:04:12.640 there are jewish communities black communities you name it uh it's just when whites do it all

00:04:16.860 of a sudden it's a huge issue so it's it's a fubu of sorts right for you by you except instead of

00:04:23.920 shoes it's houses um the problem is that white people are doing it is that is that a fair way

00:04:29.720 to sum it up? That seems to be the objection. Yeah, I really don't understand it. And I think

00:04:35.480 it's a bad line for them to take. I think they, as all the big media outlets that pick this up,

00:04:42.080 had to take it to cash in on the sensationalism. And there are many people who have been indoctrinated

00:04:48.280 to think that, you know, voluntary segregation is the same as the forced regime of legal segregation

00:04:55.500 we had before you know the 1950s and these are very different things morally speaking one is

00:05:03.340 free association people doing their own thing the other is depriving people of real opportunity and

00:05:09.300 the ability to advance in life i don't want to take away the ability of black people to build

00:05:15.000 their own communities neighborhoods businesses i don't want to deprive them of the ability to

00:05:22.100 patronize businesses that are open to the public you know it's not like we're keeping those

00:05:27.020 opportunities away from other other groups we just want to do our own thing that's it

00:05:30.920 yep um i you know i think about it i've used this analogy or illustration a few times so i have five

00:05:37.680 children and i've always thought you know uh in terms of the way that our civil magistrate

00:05:43.620 is leading and legislating when it comes to the populace and different segments of our citizens

00:05:51.240 it would be the equivalent of me as a father with my five children saying that you know four of my

00:05:56.780 children will be trained equipped loved encouraged and when necessary disciplined when it comes to

00:06:06.300 bad behavior but one of my five children will be able to exercise bad behavior with impunity and

00:06:13.780 and it seems as though that's what we've had going on for a little while now and but then to further

00:06:20.520 complicate the situation um to tell the rest of my four children um you know so and so your brother

00:06:28.660 or your sister is not going to be disciplined uh when they misbehave you will most assuredly but

00:06:36.440 they will not and they will be allowed to hit you and take your toys and shout at you and bite you

00:06:43.200 and all that you know my kids are pretty small so um the kinds of things that a unruly toddler

00:06:48.900 might do all of that will be on the table but also not only will i not step in and mediate

00:06:56.320 and discipline but also you are not allowed to separate you have to play with them you have to

00:07:02.860 be with them then it i mean i'm just setting the recipe for my four children to not only resent me

00:07:13.060 as their father but also to grow not not lessen but grow in a real resentment and bitterness and

00:07:21.720 hatred toward their one sibling who i've set the stage for that one sibling to execute abuse

00:07:30.480 towards the other four and it doesn't make any sense at all i mean we really do it seems like

00:07:36.780 we have a two-tier system in our nation currently when it comes to the laws of our land. They apply

00:07:44.260 to some, but do not apply to others. We've seen this when it comes to admission in universities

00:07:52.260 and the standards, you know, academically. We've seen this politically. We've seen this

00:07:56.540 in terms of, you know, legally with crime and all these kinds of things. And at a certain point,

00:08:03.160 people are going to take it into their own hands and the reaction or the response to say we're

00:08:10.820 going to separate and work hard and do our own thing given historically the other alternatives

00:08:18.640 that is a pretty humane merciful and kind response i mean the other response is that you know people

00:08:27.880 retaliate in kind and i don't see you doing that and um i think that that's honorable um are are

00:08:36.260 they i want to ask are the individuals who are partnering with you in this project are they

00:08:42.060 mostly religious if so are they mostly christian what is kind of the religious makeup of this group

00:08:48.600 yeah most of us are christians uh we want this to be a very big tent the goal of return to the land

00:08:56.760 is to facilitate communities for people of European heritage all across the country.

00:09:03.200 And that includes people who celebrate pagan European traditions like Asatru and so forth.

00:09:10.600 And also, obviously, Christians, which that's the traditional religion of Western Europe over the last 2000 years,

00:09:19.000 some parts later than others. But we want this to be a big tent because I think we are facing a struggle

00:09:26.120 as a people, just in general, like European descended people in the United States are being

00:09:33.320 threatened with the loss of our rights. We are legally discriminated against in employment

00:09:39.280 in, until recently, in missions in university. And I think we have to form a block and defend

00:09:48.260 our own rights and create our own spaces for the good of our community as a whole. So the PMA,

00:09:54.020 uh return to the land is open to all types of traditional european religious denominations

00:10:01.200 um it so happens yeah most of us are christians i'm a christian um some people are agnostic some

00:10:08.380 people are kind of vaguely deist but that was also the case with the founding fathers most of

00:10:13.800 them were christians some of them were deists or you know not quite explicit about their views

00:10:20.760 So we believe in that big tent. We also believe that individual communities within this big tent should be able to set whatever standards they want. So we can have Catholic communities, Orthodox communities that are all within this overarching desire to set ourselves apart and preserve our European way of life, tradition, and people.

00:10:43.720 yeah yeah we have somebody in the chat um a bit of a troll and they pop in quite quite frequently

00:10:52.060 but i just am curious to hear your answer and i know that they'll appreciate it but others will 1.00

00:10:57.420 find it fascinating as well they asked what about islam if their european heritage in terms of

00:11:04.360 ethnicity but they are a practicing muslim would they be permitted in your development

00:11:09.800 admissions decisions are case by case but we are an association for people of european heritage

00:11:19.660 european traditions islam is not a european religion you know some people might say christianity

00:11:26.520 originated in the near east yeah i mean arguably but paul himself visited mostly european communities

00:11:33.900 on his travels what we know to be christianity primarily developed in europe not the near east

00:11:40.940 so it has enough of those deep roots and it has a long enough history of being

00:11:46.020 you know part of everyday european life islam you could say andalusian spain there is something 0.99

00:11:53.900 there but that was uh cast out violently uh i think with good cause because they had conquered 0.99

00:12:01.480 that territory and those people the practitioners were for the most part cast out um there is i

00:12:08.220 guess albania uh or what's the european country that is uh primarily muslim if ethnically european

00:12:16.360 that's an anomaly that's not traditional european values or traditional european religion just like

00:12:21.960 some people could say well if you look at the past there are these depictions of homosexual acts

00:12:26.560 Does that mean that's traditional European values? And no, that's an anomaly. That's a deviance from the overarching European sense of morality and aesthetics and sensibilities that we can see very clearly echoed through all the classical documents, even Norse pagan documents, obviously the Christian tradition.

00:12:47.820 I think there's one overarching kind of sense of what is right and wrong, natural law, that Europeans have recognized, and Islam does not fit in that category for us. 0.75

00:13:01.420 You mentioned homosexuality, and would it be fair to say as well that any individual in a homosexual lifestyle or friendly to it would also probably not be eligible to join as a member? 0.82

00:13:11.940 Right. It's outside the values of our association. 0.86

00:13:15.820 The admissions decisions, though, are truly made on a case-by-case basis.

00:13:19.860 We have a list of factors that we consider.

00:13:21.900 It's not all just race.

00:13:24.000 It's not all just religion or are you straight or gay.

00:13:27.220 It's like we look at all of these things and say, is this compatible with traditional European heritage and values?

00:13:34.460 Yeah.

00:13:34.660 I think it would be helpful if you could name, I don't know if we've named it yet in the show, just the state where you are and even just describe a little bit of the land.

00:13:41.480 Are we talking the purchasing of pretty much Main Street downtown, or is it much more so secluded?

00:13:47.480 Could you kind of just describe, you know, as you're here, specifically with where you've started from,

00:13:52.180 I know you've mentioned the association itself has plans to expand, but where you are right now,

00:13:57.080 are we talking the takeover of an existing town or infrastructure in a major U.S. state that's kind of central to politics,

00:14:03.900 or is this much more so, hey, we're a little bit off the beaten path, but this is our land, and this is what we want to do with it?

00:14:11.480 uh by far it's the latter so we're down a dirt road in a low population density area

00:14:18.540 of northern arkansas in the ozarks the area is like 95 plus percent white already um our land

00:14:27.080 here it's 160 acres plenty of individuals out here own far more land than that and that's not

00:14:33.080 an issue obviously a private family can keep whoever they want off their land but we actually

00:14:39.380 we're more inclusive than the typical owner of 160 acres we bring multiple families in here

00:14:45.360 people from different areas um so we're yeah more inclusive than the typical um homestead out here

00:14:51.960 but uh it's pretty rudimentary as far as infrastructure goes there was nothing here

00:14:57.380 when we bought it um it was actually logged we bought it from a logging company who had logged

00:15:02.520 the front half of it so the front half is clear the back half is still wooded uh there's a spring

00:15:07.440 which is pretty neat and a creek that runs through the property so i think we got lucky as far as the

00:15:12.340 natural features we all love it here um the kids love it here you know they can explore uh how

00:15:18.060 you know it reminds me of reading like huck finn and um tom sawyer and stuff like that as a kid

00:15:24.260 and that's how childhood really should be um so we're happy with the kind of homesteading ethos

00:15:31.320 that it's encouraging um the connection with nature we have probably like i don't know around

00:15:39.040 10 cabins that have been built some larger buildings um and yeah i mean people are kind

00:15:45.900 of roughing it in the past not currently but in the past people have lived in tents on the land

00:15:50.560 for periods of time um we've always abided by all health department guidelines we've had porta

00:15:56.460 bodies out here when necessary. We have septic systems, we've had wells drilled, and we've cut

00:16:03.180 our own roads. So we did this on a shoestring budget and just barely had enough to purchase

00:16:09.640 the property and get the most essential roads cut. Still, there's road construction left to do.

00:16:15.580 There's a lot of work left to do. And there's not been a single point in our history here where

00:16:23.100 we've had more hands than work available for those hands um there's always work to do and

00:16:29.800 it's kind of nice you know you constantly see new buildings going up and it just makes it feel like

00:16:35.900 you're part of something larger you know yeah if i was willing to bet i would guess that thus far

00:16:42.880 there's probably no one who has applied who would want to be there and applied

00:16:48.160 who's been turned away would that be accurate

00:16:50.900 uh well we do reject plenty of applicants it's a relatively small percentage um of rejections but

00:17:00.840 we found that people can have all sorts of issues we i mean there are people with real mental

00:17:06.360 problems frankly that have applied um you know obvious kind of schizophrenic tendencies not to

00:17:12.800 diagnose people but you get on the phone with someone and you can figure out pretty quick like

00:17:18.120 is this a grounded, sensible, sane person that you would feel comfortable being around your

00:17:23.420 children? And that's, of course, we have to reject people because there are kids here. This is where

00:17:27.300 our families live. Now, getting into the PMA is relatively easy. The majority of people do get in

00:17:33.620 the actual company that owns this land to buy into that and join the physical community.

00:17:41.200 That's tougher. You have to pass a background check and come down here physically, meet with us,

00:17:46.180 And the vote has to be, you know, overwhelming majority. We want you in the community. We've also thought of ways, you know, situations may arise when someone displays behavior that wasn't disclosed, they develop a drug habit, something, you know, about their lifestyle is harmful to the community as a whole.

00:18:07.780 And we do have ways of processing people out and fairly compensating them for whatever improvements they made to the land that they were living on.

00:18:17.280 And so, therefore, the value of the share of the company.

00:18:21.120 So we would have an assessor come out and get a fair market value for everything.

00:18:25.100 And then we'd allow PMA members to buy it.

00:18:27.880 And then if no one in the PMA wanted to buy it, this company would be on the hook for ultimately buying people out.

00:18:34.480 Luckily, we've not had to do that.

00:18:36.300 We have kicked people out of the PMA thus far, but it's a very big tent.

00:18:41.820 We let a lot of people in, and it's on mission.

00:18:46.640 It's on focus.

00:18:47.580 We do have values that we care about.

00:18:49.280 It's just they're values that are intended to be shared across the entire European tradition.

00:18:54.260 So there's room for most of us in RTTL.

00:18:58.240 Where do people go to church?

00:19:00.480 Do you guys have a church on site that you've started, or do people leave the neighborhood

00:19:05.140 and go into town?

00:19:06.300 we don't have a church here we don't actually even have a community center built yet we had

00:19:13.500 building materials come in today I think to put up a pavilion that'll be our first community

00:19:19.280 center we had a budget for a community center you know it's a nice idea to have a space where

00:19:23.780 you can all get together but like you got to bear in mind when we started here people didn't even

00:19:28.760 have basic shelter you know first you have to build a roof over your own head and have a well

00:19:34.240 and have a septic tank and things like that and then you can start thinking about these bigger

00:19:38.360 projects so we did have a budget for a community center but then other more necessary expenses

00:19:44.040 came up like roads we did budget for roads too but we had no idea just the extent of what that

00:19:51.640 work would involve and like creek crossings having to effectively construct bridges it's all that

00:19:57.780 stuff is many tens of thousands of dollars so the community center had to wait until this phase

00:20:03.440 eventually it would be great if we could have some kind of church service run um there's some

00:20:09.520 of the people here are orthodox and i know an orthodox guy who probably would be willing to

00:20:14.040 come down and like lead an orthodox service here i think that'd be awesome i would probably attend

00:20:19.300 that um i haven't been orthodox i've practiced catholic uh throughout my life i was the church

00:20:25.400 organist at the local catholic church nearby until recently and uh that's just for factors

00:20:32.040 in my own life. I couldn't follow the Catholic church anymore. But I'm still a Christian and I'm

00:20:37.180 still open to, you know, finding whatever that one true path is. I'm also willing to accept that

00:20:42.780 maybe I'm wrong in my schism with the church. But, you know, that's more a philosophical question.

00:20:49.820 People go to different churches. They have different kind of denominations they follow.

00:20:55.960 Gotcha. So now let's shift gears a little bit. I want to talk about some of the backlash

00:21:01.080 that you've experienced some of the stories some of the networks that are picking it up it seems

00:21:07.900 like there are some legacy media outlets that are making quite the the to-do about this project and

00:21:16.720 and then there's even been some some civil leaders in your state of arkansas that have

00:21:23.920 made comments so could you catch us up to speed with what's going on with all the opposition

00:21:29.160 Is it looking like you guys might get shut down? Are you going to be okay? What's going on?

00:21:37.060 Yeah, there's no indication that they're going to be able to shut us down. We haven't gotten

00:21:41.620 fined. There's been no lawsuit. I think because the people who would actually be responsible for

00:21:48.400 doing that see that we're not doing anything illegal. We did a lot of research to make sure

00:21:54.260 we weren't violating the law. That's not to get around laws and find loopholes. It's just to

00:21:59.120 abide by the letter of the law as it exists. And we've been meticulous about it. Now, people

00:22:05.160 may decide to sue us anyway for a whole list of reasons. Someone might find something.

00:22:11.900 So we're building up a legal fund and all of this attention has helped us raise a lot of money in

00:22:16.800 donations for that legal fund. Part of that is defensive and reactive. We have the resources.

00:22:22.980 if we have to hire really good lawyers to defend us.

00:22:26.500 But in the meantime, we're hiring really good lawyers

00:22:29.500 to proactively research how our documents can be improved,

00:22:33.500 how our structure can be improved

00:22:35.360 so that there's no risk of violating state or federal law.

00:22:40.020 As far as the nature of the media coverage,

00:22:43.260 I mean, it's impossible to track all of it now.

00:22:45.460 It's huge.

00:22:46.840 I mean, mainstream networks have covered us.

00:22:50.220 i was on tmz which is surreal like i never thought there'd be any reason for me to be on tmz

00:22:56.400 i don't even watch tmz um but yeah it all started um a few weeks ago when this one guy

00:23:03.860 on r slash jewish on reddit put out a thread about us and called on his readers to contact

00:23:11.560 local government state government media uh civil rights groups stuff like that he just kind of

00:23:18.120 declared war on us on his own behalf and enough of his followers obviously paid attention because

00:23:24.180 media was contacted government was contacted people have made statements you know stories

00:23:29.240 have come of it uh actually before any of that happened it's really like a strange coincidence

00:23:34.200 that sky news uh somehow i think probably through my own uh social media heard about us and they

00:23:40.600 wanted to come out and do a story and i had watched this journalist's coverage in the past

00:23:45.400 tom cheshire and he was actually pretty neutral to the people he covered even if they were

00:23:49.800 controversial so i was like well he's probably the the fairest take we're gonna get um so we did let

00:23:56.280 him in and we're pretty nice to him for three days and invited to him him to dinner and did all sorts

00:24:02.260 of stuff um for his benefit for the benefit of his story it ended up being a little bit of a hit

00:24:07.360 piece but despite that people were still very positive about it but then his story came out

00:24:11.840 in the middle of this, you know, uh, hype cycle created by the Jewish Redditor and other, you

00:24:18.140 know, smaller media that had covered it. Then the sky news detailed piece came out. People had video 0.60

00:24:24.000 clips to air and then all of the major networks clipped out of the sky news thing. And then it

00:24:29.140 was, it was just everywhere. Millions and millions of views, which, uh, that's only been the last

00:24:34.340 week. Yeah. So the last three weeks it's, it's been looking, you know, I was conscious of this,

00:24:39.440 uh months ago years ago that this would eventually happen and i didn't i couldn't have predicted

00:24:44.980 exactly how it happened but uh i think it's it's really not in their best interest to be pushing

00:24:51.040 this this hard because if you look at all the comments people are on our side a minority of

00:24:57.040 people think we shouldn't be allowed to do it probably majority are neutral and think well let

00:25:02.580 them do what they want who are they hurting and then a small minority again are on our side and

00:25:07.680 want to join uh so they're helping us find people to build more communities they're helping us raise

00:25:14.160 funds and they're really kind of pressing at a sore spot in the public consciousness where people

00:25:21.280 now just lately are aware of the anti-white bias in the media and institutions and so here they are

00:25:28.100 just baldly confirming it for everyone to see it's a gross misstep and one that is only going

00:25:34.980 to benefit us i think yeah the jewish redditor i feel shocked i don't know about you wes i believe

00:25:41.800 it um eric did uh did that come as a surprise the particular individual on reddit who seemed to be

00:25:48.680 so opposed you know you would think jews having all of these intentional communities in israel

00:25:57.080 around the world in the united states they see the value in preserving their people they're

00:26:02.660 actually very conscientious and take precautions uh to protect their people from possible you know

00:26:09.840 genocides or pogroms or persecution and so you would think they would understand you know but uh 0.95

00:26:16.240 no i'm not exactly surprised kinism for me but not for thee uh that's uh seems to be the jewish

00:26:22.900 motto uh anything else that you would uh think that's pertinent or or fascinating that our

00:26:29.520 listeners might be interested in that you'd like to share? As far as the recent attacks? No, it's

00:26:37.720 basically a lot of hot air, frankly, and they're going to find new angles to attack and new kind of

00:26:45.000 criticisms of our legal model. I think it's notable that while a few people have questioned

00:26:51.140 the legality, very few people are willing to explicitly question the morality of what we're

00:26:56.960 doing and you know you can attack me as a person or other members but as far as the right of a group

00:27:04.120 to go and do their own thing it's like almost everyone universally supports that so if they

00:27:10.240 keep pressing it that's the moral debate that they're opening up and it's one that they cannot

00:27:16.140 possibly win so i think even if we got sued and lost or fined and lost in our appeal we would be

00:27:25.040 they would be forcing by their own hand a nationwide moral debate that they're just

00:27:32.480 doomed to fail so i'm it's almost like regardless of what happens to us it's going to be worth it

00:27:38.760 you know we lose even if we lost all of our assets which i don't think is very likely at all

00:27:44.240 it seems like realistically the worst they could feasibly do is fine us through the fair housing

00:27:49.660 commission and that would be like a fifteen thousand dollar fine and then we'd have to

00:27:52.960 rework our documents and restructure ownership and stuff like that it wouldn't be you know the

00:27:57.380 end of the world but even if that happens like there's gonna be national outrage people are

00:28:03.400 gonna be upset that they've basically just declared no whites can't have their own neighborhood

00:28:09.060 european americans you are not allowed to do anything to protect your tradition and people

00:28:14.400 and i would just ask that question back to them like okay well if my values include preserving

00:28:21.260 my own people which that's pretty normal that's what basically every group of people through all

00:28:26.220 time has wanted to do is preserve themselves it's built into the nature of life you know

00:28:30.720 i i would just ask all right what then am i allowed to do i can't even have my own neighborhood

00:28:36.480 on my own private land that i developed from scratch with my friends like what exactly you're

00:28:41.700 expecting me to do just roll over and die or what so i think they're opening up the worst possible

00:28:47.500 framing for a debate on their end and even if we lose i'm curious what happens out of that because

00:28:53.440 it's it's going to be big and if we win it's also going to be big it's going to set major precedent

00:28:58.020 and embolden others to follow suit so the what they've done attacking us so openly so in such

00:29:05.400 a contradictory way uh hypocritically they have initiated more political change in the direction

00:29:11.740 that I'd like to see than I possibly could have by myself.

00:29:15.880 It's just kind of amazing.

00:29:17.940 You and friends bought 160 acres that's relatively rural,

00:29:21.980 and you've said, I want to pick my neighbors

00:29:23.720 because I want my kids to have a great upbringing.

00:29:26.780 We're talking national news.

00:29:28.320 He wants to do that.

00:29:29.360 He did this with his own money.

00:29:31.100 It's just kind of incredible, like taking all the factors into account.

00:29:34.220 You're not talking about the takeover of a city.

00:29:36.440 You're not talking about a huge initiative.

00:29:40.460 like hey we're in arkansas and uh this is where we want to live and again you're rooting it in

00:29:45.240 this is what i want for my kids am i not allowed to do that and to the national level like we

00:29:50.800 at to some again the majority you're right i think is with you but to many that are like

00:29:55.220 we can't believe that you would want that it's kind of insane okay um how can people

00:30:01.900 follow what you're doing where do they go is there a website something like that

00:30:05.940 yeah you can go to returntotheland.org check out our documents we've tried to make everything very

00:30:13.160 transparent very explicit we're interested in helping other people form similar communities

00:30:18.640 so it's not just restricted to this one site in arkansas because i think it's the right of every

00:30:22.740 american to form communities on whatever basis you know i support black people who want to do

00:30:27.780 the same thing jewish people who want to do the same thing so we want to help others um as far

00:30:32.980 as my own social media you can follow me on x at arvol a-a-r-v-o-l-l underscore arvol was taken

00:30:40.280 unfortunately it's a common norwegian name um so yeah i mean keep an eye out because it's i don't

00:30:47.200 think this story is done and i'm i'm curious myself to see where it goes yeah we'll be watching

00:30:53.260 okay well thank you uh eric for coming on the show and uh we'll see you around

00:30:58.300 all right thanks again for the invite yeah you're welcome let's go to our first commercial break and

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00:34:53.720 So there's a difference between would you do this versus should it be allowed to be done?

00:34:59.680 there's a pretty clear distinction between those two questions um in terms of what i would do i'm

00:35:05.900 just looking at the chat and thinking about the listeners some of the questions that they may

00:35:09.320 ask themselves or want to hear me address after that short interview and i feel like that would

00:35:15.300 be one of those questions is it would you do this and you know my answer off the cuff would be um

00:35:21.280 no i would not have an intentional neighborhood that allows for pagans um i would want all of

00:35:27.620 my neighbors to be Christian. So I would definitely have some guidelines that are quite a bit stricter

00:35:34.320 in the religious category. I want to be with Christians first and foremost. So it's not

00:35:41.340 something that I personally would do. But should it be allowed? That's the question. Whether you

00:35:46.240 have an intentional community surrounded by religious criteria or ethnic criteria or other

00:35:54.220 virtues or values that people hold in common the question is is there an allowance is it morally

00:36:01.900 permissible biblically and then also is it legally permissible in our country to have freedom of

00:36:08.920 association freedom of association so that's what we're going to be addressing in a moment but

00:36:14.180 before we do there's a couple clips too to be precise that i i thought were fascinating both

00:36:20.360 from different angles uh but the first is i had recently the opportunity uh last week i believe

00:36:26.960 it was on friday to go on fearless is the name of the show by jason whitlock he's with the blaze

00:36:32.240 and he brought up um this community um that's being built this neighborhood uh led by eric

00:36:40.320 the guy that we just interviewed and and i thought that he had a good take um jason whitlock just

00:36:46.680 essentially said, yeah, I don't see the big deal. Nobody has to be a part of it. And you're not

00:36:52.200 stopping anybody else from doing the same thing. If somebody else wants to have their own neighborhood

00:36:56.540 and they're going to buy the land, they're not asking for the government to carve it out for

00:37:00.160 them. You're going to work hard, raise your money, buy a portion of land at a fair price and have

00:37:06.200 stipulations for who your neighbors are going to be. So I think Jason Whitlock as a black man

00:37:11.000 had a very reasonable take. I think there's actually a guest named Bryce. Right. Well,

00:37:14.340 jason talked about it also but then we um he had a panel and so i was one of the individuals who

00:37:19.640 was on the panel um and this was one of the topics of discussion and there was another individual who

00:37:24.860 was also a black man um dr boyce um i believe is who it was and uh jason whitlock asked him

00:37:31.620 you know the same question what do you think about this uh this neighborhood right return to the land

00:37:37.240 that's being developed and you know the criteria the ethnic criteria that they have um and he had

00:37:43.420 response that i thought was um both reasonable and the way that he worded it i just thought was

00:37:49.780 fascinating and i wanted to share that clip with you now what do you think of some white people

00:37:55.840 saying look you know we need to segregate ourselves i don't care i think that's that's

00:38:03.360 their lives i mean you know i i think it's really fascinating i i think um i think uh the brothers

00:38:10.460 speaking earlier brought this point up where he talked about this uh brand of pro-blackness

00:38:18.620 that's not only falsely rooted in liberalism right which which right there that's disrespectful all 0.86

00:38:24.380 black people are not liberal uh it also leans on this really really deep-seated need for white 0.77

00:38:31.340 validation uh i've never been a white man before i'm sure it's fascinating but i i would probably 0.84

00:38:38.860 be confused about sort of, you know, people, this group of people that really feel the need to be

00:38:45.060 wherever I'm at. Well said. That's kind of what I said in our first segment, but I'll reiterate it

00:38:53.700 once more. It just seems ironic, hypocritical, I think would be a fair word to say you're wicked 0.98

00:39:03.440 and evil and racist and also please let me in i i just i struggle to understand that just as a 0.98

00:39:13.080 concept you're wicked you're vile you're racist and please let me live next to you i i don't 0.97

00:39:21.280 understand if if somebody is wicked and vile and racist and terrible uh wouldn't it be a benefit 1.00

00:39:27.900 to have them move off to the boondocks in arkansas i was about to say we're not talking

00:39:33.100 about joining them and then it's already established town right please let us join you

00:39:37.920 in the mountains yeah it would be different yeah if you and me if a couple dozen white families

00:39:43.520 move to atlanta and say is you know you see this hat this is totally my hat now yeah like this is

00:39:48.880 our town now and everybody else has to get out that's that's quite a different situation but

00:39:53.600 we're talking about individuals purchasing land in the middle of nowhere where nobody else lives

00:39:59.420 and as he said the surrounding areas the demographics is already before they got there

00:40:03.720 95 percent white um that's the situation that we're talking about um and i appreciated both

00:40:10.620 jason whitlock and uh this individual dr boyce i'm not familiar with him other than this quick

00:40:16.040 segment that you just saw but uh both of them i think had the right take and saying what's the

00:40:22.400 big deal right what's the big deal um okay so we wanted to talk a little bit um in terms of

00:40:28.540 historically the legal precedent is this um not just is it moral but um is it legal is it american

00:40:36.520 we we might ask so west do you want to show some quotes yeah absolutely so i'm going to read

00:40:41.360 actually the first amendment and the reason this matters is because what's under attack and most

00:40:45.980 specifically what was attacked in the civil rights act was the freedom of association you

00:40:51.480 can read if you haven't already uh i believe it's eric codwell is that his name the age of

00:40:57.180 entitlement. Christopher Caldwell. Christopher Caldwell, where he details how the Civil Rights

00:41:01.460 Act in many ways destroyed a lot of the fundamental freedoms that we had up until the 1960s. And a big

00:41:07.140 one has been the freedom of association. So let me read the First Amendment. This is again from

00:41:11.520 the Bill of Rights. The first 10 amendments form the Bill of Rights as part of the Constitution.

00:41:16.320 And it says this, Congress, and I'll get to that word there in a minute, Congress being the first

00:41:20.520 word, should make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise

00:41:25.740 thereof, or abridging the freedom of speech or of the press or of the right of the people

00:41:31.280 to peaceably, the right of the people peaceably to assemble and to petition the government

00:41:36.340 for a redress of grievances.

00:41:38.080 And so there's five kind of freedoms there that Congress can't infringe upon.

00:41:41.460 And a big one of those is the freedom of assembling.

00:41:44.060 So someone could come back and say, well, freedom of association is not a right that

00:41:47.720 is given to us in the Bill of Rights.

00:41:49.820 But what's really been interpreted by the Supreme Court, and I'll show some quotes here

00:41:53.520 in a minute, is right in there that freedom of assembling necessarily includes the freedom to

00:41:58.920 assembly with the type of people that you want to assemble with. In the 1958s leading right up to

00:42:05.700 1960, you had the NAACP versus the state of Alabama, the NAACP being the National Association

00:42:12.360 for the Advancement of Colored People. And the NAACP was being sued by the state, and I believe

00:42:17.000 it was to reveal their membership roles. And they were pushing back and saying, hey, we have a right

00:42:21.660 as a private group. We're not a government group. We're not a town. We're not a city.

00:42:25.880 We're not a Congress. We have the right as a private group for black people to basically do 0.58

00:42:31.940 what we want to do and to keep our membership roles private. And listen to what the Supreme

00:42:36.100 Court decided and think about it in the context now that she was reversed. We're not talking about

00:42:40.260 black people in the late 1950s. We're talking about whites in 2025. The Supreme Court said,

00:42:45.920 it is beyond debate that freedom to engage in the association, so freedom to band together,

00:42:51.040 But the advancement of beliefs and ideas is an inseparable aspect of the liberty assured by the due process clause of the 14th Amendment, which embraces freedom of speech.

00:43:02.900 I did say that I would get back to Congress is, I think, Cantwell versus Connecticut.

00:43:08.740 It was in the 60s.

00:43:10.160 Basically, when you see Congress there, that also applies to the states.

00:43:13.560 So it's not as though the federal government, it's not as though the First Amendment, it

00:43:17.880 bars them from coming to me and saying like, oh, we're going to restrict your freedom of

00:43:21.220 religion, but the state of Texas could.

00:43:23.900 That freedom, all those freedoms that are enumerated, it's neither the federal government

00:43:27.780 nor the state that can come in and take them from you.

00:43:31.400 And you have here the Supreme Court saying, it is beyond debate, I really like Matt Walsh's take on this, it is beyond debate that the freedom to associate with people that you want to associate with, not associate with the people you don't want to associate.

00:43:45.300 this is justice brennan from roberts versus united states jc's 1984 he said freedom of association

00:43:52.000 therefore plainly presupposes a freedom not to associate that freedom the first amendment the

00:43:58.120 14th amendment congress referring to both our federal government and our state level that is

00:44:03.060 one of the fundamental freedoms that we have the freedom to go to the church that we want to go to

00:44:08.780 the freedom to go out in public and say i'm going to gather here the freedom to petition the freedom

00:44:14.040 of speech again the government can't come in and tell you you're not allowed to criticize x y and

00:44:20.360 z and so what eric is standing on is saying if we don't have this and he said it in his interview

00:44:25.180 if we don't have this if we are literally not allowed because of our skin color to buy land

00:44:31.800 and to live here and to choose who our neighbors are then what rights and freedoms do we actually

00:44:36.900 have left right what is there left for us to exercise literally the only thing is watch the

00:44:41.540 clock as you disappear and are replaced right uh somebody in the chat was asking um so do you want

00:44:48.620 a christian nation or a white nation or both and i thought it would be helpful uh to hear my answer

00:44:55.360 my answer is the same as i've espoused publicly several times before i haven't changed um so

00:45:00.960 first i want a christian nation and then secondly the way that i would word it is this i want a

00:45:04.960 christian nation and i want an american nation i would like for america to be america and so when

00:45:11.080 i think of that last piece that second piece right because it's not just a christian nation

00:45:14.820 if japan became you know 100 christian and my family moved there i would be ecstatic to be

00:45:23.820 surrounded by christian brothers and sisters in the lord but i'd also be sad because i'm an american

00:45:29.500 and i'd be losing my home i'd be losing my traditions i'd be losing my my heritage my

00:45:35.000 history. Those kinds of things. Japan still wouldn't be home. Not for me. Generations down

00:45:42.000 the line, you know, for my great-great-grandchildren, then it'd be like, this is home. And that's great.

00:45:45.980 But for me, I would be displaced. And there's something sad with losing your home. Okay. So

00:45:52.560 one, I want a Christian nation. But second, I want a nation that is American simply because 0.58

00:46:02.440 i'm american and we're talking about that particular nation being america and so on that

00:46:08.080 second piece so first christian second american and that second piece um it's not just when you

00:46:15.840 think of what is america as it comes down to demographics well it's not simply centuries ago

00:46:22.320 looking at you know the mid 1700s and you know what were were the demographics of america what

00:46:28.700 percentage was it you know european and what percentage black and what percentage hispanic

00:46:33.040 um it's we're not just talking about you know the makeup the ethnic makeup of america you know

00:46:38.980 300 years ago we're talking about the the the demographics of america less than 100 years ago

00:46:46.860 if you just go back just 15 minutes before the hart cellar act and the civil rights act

00:46:53.200 in the mid 1900s less than a century ago and you look at the demographics and then you look at what

00:47:00.720 they are today what you realize is it's not just the great replacement with white people although

00:47:06.100 that is not a conspiracy that is absolutely fact but it's it's more than that because a certain

00:47:13.940 majority of white people has been the historic and heritage makeup of america what you have is

00:47:20.720 the replacement of america you're you're getting a different country it's a different country with

00:47:26.700 a different people with a foreign people who are not heritage americans and so to answer the

00:47:34.000 question do you want a christian nation or do you want a white nation or do you want both i want yes

00:47:38.220 a christian nation and then secondly i want an american nation and an american nation that is

00:47:44.420 truly historically american would be a nation that is not actively participating and engaging

00:47:51.840 and facilitating the replacement of its heritage population so that doesn't mean if i was king for

00:47:58.860 a day the america that i envision is not a hundred percent exclusively white but it is a majority

00:48:06.200 white nation because that's simply the history of this nation and any intentional active policies 0.90

00:48:14.840 and and cultural influences that are trying to erode that and change that i believe are wicked 0.66

00:48:22.020 and i would i believe that would be wicked if you did it in any other country i think any intentional

00:48:27.180 strategy and policy and cultural influence to to make japan white or black or is is wrong i think

00:48:36.600 that's morally wrong um so that's my answer to the question that was posited and you know i was

00:48:43.220 thinking about freedom of association as west as you were talking and showing some of the legal

00:48:48.140 precedent in our country's history and i was thinking about you know even as a kid i remember

00:48:53.800 flipping through the channels and seeing there's uh bet black entertainment i was like how is that

00:49:00.540 even a thing i was like black entertainment like where's where's uh where's the wet channel

00:49:05.520 white entertainment and i remember bringing it up you know uh with with my dad and saying how is

00:49:10.360 this a thing and why isn't there equivalent for white people you know and and him helping me

00:49:15.060 think through that and he did a really good job and you know part of the answer was well

00:49:19.280 it's because black people are a minority and you know their answer if you know if i had asked you

00:49:27.140 know polled just the average black person obviously not every black person would think this 0.99

00:49:30.820 plenty of black people would probably say yeah it's dumb why why is there bet but there would 0.82

00:49:35.240 be you know if i was just looking at per capita averages and asking you know a hundred black 0.97

00:49:39.740 people you know can you can you help clarify or morally justify why there is a tv channel called

00:49:47.120 BET? Probably the answer that I would get, at least from a number of individuals, would be,

00:49:52.920 well, because all the other channels are wet, right? White entertainment. Wet TV is every other 0.90

00:50:00.200 channel by default. And so this is just us being able to have our channel because all the rest are

00:50:06.140 yours. And apply that to even the same principle now. Apply it to education. Part of the reason

00:50:14.180 why protestants are behind the eight ball when it comes to intentional private protestant christian

00:50:21.840 schools whereas catholics have about a 50 year head start in america is because um the public

00:50:29.560 schools right it would have been the same principle the same answer in principle given if

00:50:34.500 you ask that question why are there catholic schools but there's no protestant schools and

00:50:38.280 the catholics would have looked at us back in the day and said what are you talking about you have

00:50:42.320 public schools and they are protestant because there was literally scripture reading and prayer

00:50:47.500 and even catechisms protestant catechisms like the westminster um in the public schools the

00:50:54.620 public schools really were protestant and so i think for any society any nation there usually

00:51:02.360 is a a hegemony a majority and that majority whether it's their entertainment or whether it's

00:51:10.120 their education system or whatever it is there's a majority and the majority is usually not

00:51:16.660 intentional and thinking hey we need to have something that represents us because simply by

00:51:23.660 virtue by default of being the majority most things in that society by default do represent

00:51:30.380 them but times have changed and as times are changing and america has gone correct me if i'm

00:51:38.320 wrong i'm gonna ballpark it here but i believe again in the 1900s not just you know 1600s or

00:51:44.160 1700s but about 1940 give or take 1945 um you had about 89 percent 98 to 89 i've seen yep yep 89

00:51:54.860 90 percent white european uh descent in america today it's i believe 59 does that sound it might

00:52:03.860 be in the low 60s still okay but i've seen i've seen charts recently that said 59 so i may be off

00:52:09.700 by one or two points but pretty close so so we're ballparking it but i think we're in the ballpark

00:52:16.000 about 89 to 59 right so 30 30 percentage points down but when you think of you know what you know

00:52:23.740 59 to 59 that's 30 of the 89 you're talking about a good 40 drop um almost half almost half not not

00:52:33.400 quite. But on track, if you look at most sociologists and what they're predicting of the

00:52:40.680 demographics of America by 2050, it's less than 50%, less than half. And so my point is this,

00:52:49.600 as the demographics of our country are changing and changing rapidly, yes, we want to push back

00:52:57.160 against certain immigration policies. Yes, I would like to see the Civil Rights Act

00:53:02.120 repealed i would like to see the heart seller act all these things go away and we'd like to push

00:53:07.020 back against anti-american policies when it comes to immigration and we would like to see mass

00:53:13.000 deportations as well but if these things don't happen and we continue on the trajectory that

00:53:21.540 we're currently on then what you're going to see with those who are of european heritage 0.99

00:53:27.740 is the types of behaviors that you have seen in our country and any other country for that matter

00:53:34.880 of every minority group. Every minority group thinks like this. Jews are going to do business 0.84

00:53:42.200 predominantly with other Jews. They're used to being a fractional minority of whatever nation 0.98

00:53:47.880 they're in and they stick together for better or worse. You see Hispanics doing this. You see 1.00

00:53:54.560 blacks in america doing this and and not just in american context but any minority group in any 0.94

00:54:02.100 country usually has facilitated intentionally some kind of whether it's in the in the economic

00:54:10.020 business sense or the religious sense or with education or with entertainment or what they have

00:54:15.860 some things that are their things this is our thing this is our thing and usually the group

00:54:23.900 in any given nation that doesn't have their thing it's because the vast majority of things in that

00:54:29.300 nation by default are their thing because they're the hegemony they're the majority and so i think

00:54:34.460 that what we're seeing is simply the outflow of whites in america becoming a minority yeah this

00:54:41.160 is what happens so if you're going to erode the the bedrock demographic the historical demographic

00:54:48.740 of a nation and you're going to intentionally through propaganda with entertainment and

00:54:54.260 Hollywood and legislatively, you know, in a civil manner at every single level, if you're

00:55:01.160 going to have leaders, whether they be, you know, civil leaders or whether it be simply

00:55:06.480 elites in entertainment and media, if you're going to have decades of the elites of your

00:55:14.820 society intentionally working to make the majority people of that society a minority

00:55:22.940 then you're going to see that group of people begin to think like this that's simply the result

00:55:31.340 i i bet you i'd be willing to bet that you would not have this project returned to the land

00:55:37.400 if you did not have civil rights act and heart seller act and the erosion of the heritage

00:55:46.060 demographics of america over the last 60 years if it was still 89 90 percent white americans and

00:55:53.140 some measured policy of immigration and the people who come who are non-white are treated respectfully

00:55:58.880 as guests and all these kinds of things but it's a christian nation and it's a nation that keeps

00:56:03.660 its basic demographics over time then you probably don't see stories like this yeah but that's not

00:56:09.880 the situation we're in and on the the proportion losing that majority white we did a whole episode 0.66

00:56:15.680 it was probably about a year ago at this point the blessings of colonialism when the whites are 0.52

00:56:20.000 the majority typically not in every single case but typically their rule so to speak has been very

00:56:25.060 very benevolent to those that are the minority i would say white america generally speaking of

00:56:29.960 course not in every case and every time in every state but generally white america has been very

00:56:34.320 benevolent to the black community as far as care as far as lifting them up same thing when you go

00:56:39.240 overseas with aid be it to africa but when the roles are reversed so when you go from majority 0.90

00:56:44.240 white to minority white i think of two places that's happening south africa uh white farmers

00:56:50.980 being murdered being treated very respectfully very respectfully taken care of given their

00:56:56.400 own television channel i think they do parades and say hey these guys literally feed the whole

00:57:00.180 country right they produce like 80 of the food oh they take their children crucify them on tables 0.80

00:57:04.800 and kill them yes that's what happens when whites are the minority in london london has gone from 0.70

00:57:09.840 about 80 white to about 53 one of the first episodes we did this year was on roving gangs 1.00

00:57:16.500 of middle eastern men who are systemically raping white girls so when it's majority white there is 0.92

00:57:23.360 a structure and an order there that we take for granted when it's majority white minorities are 0.99

00:57:28.240 treated fairly yep when it's they're given the gospel typically their society is ordered 0.62

00:57:33.840 society is safe but when that's flipped when that inverts as it's looking to do

00:57:39.280 i you will be begging you may not like it now but you will be begging what's that a small community

00:57:45.360 way off in the hills in arkansas where i can see people coming from miles away that's what we're

00:57:50.620 looking at and some people are saying oh i kind of want to get ahead of that i'm gonna get my land

00:57:55.340 now really sad so yeah so we're not stoked about where we are currently as a country and some of

00:58:01.800 these things uh propping up but uh we're willing to admit we can see why um there are many and the

00:58:10.000 number is growing by the day who see it as a necessity because as much as it is a christian

00:58:16.700 principle, and it is a Christian principle, to treat your fellow man regardless of his

00:58:22.600 ethnic heritage with respect and kindness and dignity, as much as that is a Christian principle,

00:58:28.880 and it is. That principle nowhere in scripture overrides the moral duty and obligation of

00:58:38.520 husbands and fathers to make sure that their children aren't raped and crucified on tables.

00:58:46.700 that's a pretty basic christian principle protect and provide and it's sad that we live in the

00:58:55.000 world that we do and that our country is heading in the direction that it is and yet here we are

00:59:01.000 well let's play that clip from i think that leads over the weekend yep so here's a clip that no

00:59:05.900 legacy media outlet thus far that i know of abc um no none of these groups have uh have even

00:59:14.860 mentioned this event that just took place over the weekend there are some independent

00:59:20.380 media outlets that are addressing it alex jones actually just came out with a video

00:59:25.860 addressing it i believe earlier this morning and did a good job and jason whitlock he retweeted him

00:59:31.880 and said hey that's that's well said but there is no official legacy media institution that

00:59:38.840 has touched it now remember because i want you to compare and contrast with this episode as a whole

00:59:43.140 all the legacy media outlets are coming out to talk about hey there's some guys in the ozarks

00:59:50.040 that privately bought a portion of land and want to live with each other right so every legacy

00:59:56.140 media outlet found that to be very relevant and have talked about it ad nauseum to the point where

01:00:02.660 the attorney general of arkansas is now coming out and making a statement these kinds of things

01:00:07.140 But none of those legacy media outlets have talked about another event, not with people who are being respectful and hurting no one, but an event that just took place this weekend where you have two individuals, a white man and a white woman, who are being beat within an inch of their life.

01:00:26.200 now we're going to show this is your your warning if you're a parent uh this is not appropriate for

01:00:31.020 children uh and even if you're a mother and you are an adult uh you you just may want to skip this

01:00:36.740 part and that's your prerogative we're going to show a portion of the clip um there's a latter

01:00:42.060 section the video does actually go on and we're going to cut out the latter portion of this clip

01:00:47.140 because um it's just it's just heinous and um uh that but i'll describe it just briefly so here's

01:00:55.960 warning go ahead and tune out now if you would like but you're going to see a man being pummeled

01:01:02.280 brutally and by you know a 15 to 1 ratio by a mob and the part where the video continues that we've

01:01:12.100 cut out is that a white woman presumably a friend or a wife or something like that she steps in

01:01:19.060 and is sucker punched to try to help so it's like the one coming and swinging right hey i there's a

01:01:25.400 she's just trying to break it up yep can i help him trying to save a white man from being killed 0.96

01:01:29.660 and she gets sucker punched in the face by a black man um so hard that she immediately just 0.99

01:01:38.340 paralyzes and falls down with her eyes open and looks like she's dead um blood coming out of you 0.98

01:01:46.560 do see like there's blood coming out of her mouth you do see her some people helping her up but she

01:01:51.700 is uh probably some lasting severe damage um from from that um assault and so we've cut that part

01:02:01.120 out uh but again this is uh something that happened at a jazz festival in where where was

01:02:07.200 cincinnati ohio cincinnati ohio over the weekend no legacy media outlet has addressed it at all

01:02:13.220 Here's the clip.

01:02:13.840 Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh.

01:02:43.820 exponentially worse. And then the white woman steps in to try to defend this man. And as I've 1.00

01:02:49.020 already said, she gets hit severely worse than the man did. And when you see things like this,

01:02:57.620 and I think a lot of it is because the suppression of independent media is no longer happening. It's

01:03:05.080 no longer successful like it was for years and years and years. We've often talked on our show

01:03:11.900 about um there's a sense in which the the high watermark of the left whether it be you know all 0.96

01:03:18.000 the virtues that the left stands for the lgbt mafia um anti-white um crime um all these things

01:03:26.860 kind of reached their high watermark in 2021 and 2022 and then you know there was a great pushback

01:03:34.220 against that and and one of the outflows of that was the election of donald trump um that has been

01:03:40.480 good in some sense and also disappointing and others and we'll see time will tell

01:03:45.040 but either way you slice it I think that you can say that the spirit the stranglehold I should say

01:03:52.940 of cancel culture has significantly lessened in the last two to three years let's say two years

01:03:59.900 so in 2025 just I mean here's an example Nick Fuentes is able to be back on Twitter

01:04:06.320 and he was not previously he was banned for uh several years and so uh every social media

01:04:12.620 platform not all of them equally of course but but all of them to varying degrees are are lessening

01:04:19.500 their restrictions lessening their cancel culture stranglehold and and what's the result of it well

01:04:26.960 it's the same result is remember when the black community was demanding we need body cams right 0.91

01:04:32.640 Because police are just shooting us dead in the street.

01:04:37.620 And so we need body cams.

01:04:39.620 Those police officers must be held accountable. 0.90

01:04:44.020 One of the greatest mistakes the black community has ever made was demanding those body cams

01:04:49.220 because the footage did not work in their favor.

01:04:53.000 Instead, we've got videos going viral almost weekly of some individual black citizen 0.67

01:05:00.220 enraged holding a knife holding a club you know doing something and trying to kill a police

01:05:06.560 officer and so it has not panned out well well likewise as this suppression of independent

01:05:12.700 media thinking of social media platforms like youtube and like x has lessened what you're

01:05:18.640 seeing is videos like this and you're not just seeing a video like this once a year right you're

01:05:23.820 you know you're seeing these things happen with regularity you're hearing stories again on

01:05:29.580 independent media sources the legacy media won't touch it but you're hearing news stories of you

01:05:35.840 know a 17 year old black teenager stabbing a white teenager in the heart and killing him in cold

01:05:42.740 blood and then immediately following that scene oh there's a campaign to raise almost a million 0.94

01:05:47.360 dollars for the white kid and for his parents who are grieving nope for the black kid so that he can

01:05:52.380 get a new car and get a house and um and as these things are you know they've been normative sadly

01:05:59.280 for a while but as they're getting now visibility because the gatekeeping mechanisms of legacy media

01:06:08.420 are are loosening and dissipating what you're going to see when that's coupled with um when

01:06:16.420 that's coupled with mass immigration when that's coupled with uh the heritage demographics of our

01:06:23.360 country disintegrating and these kinds of videos of atrocious acts being committed against white

01:06:30.800 people by non-white people the result that you're going to get is if the civil magistrate will not

01:06:38.740 step in if he refuses and i just last thing i want to say this in terms of biblical justice

01:06:43.880 right we're christians in terms of biblical justice the biblical justice is um that crime

01:06:51.180 should be punished so so if you're asking me well joel is this what you want to see what i want to 0.93

01:06:58.080 see is every single black individual who participated in this riot and pummeling these 0.97

01:07:07.100 two white individuals nearly to death i want to see them all with a fair trial charged and punished 0.92

01:07:15.160 to the full extent of the law that's that's what i want to see and this is not a crazy far-right 0.56

01:07:20.280 extremist position. Our vice president literally just came out and said the same thing. Throw them

01:07:25.840 in jail. I believe he used, you know, throw their ASS in jail. And I would give my hearty amen to 1.00

01:07:33.220 that sentiment. But what happens in a society if culturally, legally, in terms of media and

01:07:40.780 influence, if all these ways, both formal and informal, you have a ever-increasing swath,

01:07:47.660 namely minority groups through immigration an ever-increasing swath of the population 0.98

01:07:55.160 that is able to commit crimes against the the what used to be the prominent hegemony historic 0.93

01:08:03.100 hegemony of that nation and they're able to do so with impunity cultural impunity legal impunity

01:08:10.780 um the the solution the christian solution is justice not not actually separation but justice

01:08:19.240 meaning strict penalties and punishments for the perpetrators but if you live in a context where

01:08:25.940 that does not occur then what do you expect what do you expect fathers and husbands to do

01:08:33.880 they're going to say well you won't punish them and i'm not going to be a vigil ante

01:08:39.920 and and do it myself that's unjust that's wrong and there would be severe consequences for me we

01:08:46.640 saw derek chauvin we saw uh daniel penny so you won't punish them i can't do anything so i'm going

01:08:54.400 to quietly leave at great cost by the way we're gonna have to build our own water wells and build

01:09:00.820 a septic system and purchase this land in the middle of nowhere and we're gonna have to drive

01:09:05.240 45 minutes to the post office and all these. To me, that's the most Christian response you could 0.95

01:09:13.180 possibly have. You won't do justice. I'm pleading with you, civil magistrate, to do justice. You 0.99

01:09:19.880 won't. I'm not going to do it because it wouldn't be justice. I'm not the God-ordained party to do

01:09:26.900 so. It would be vigilanteism, but I do still have a duty to protect and provide for my own family,

01:09:34.300 and so I'm going to take them away. I'm going to take them away. Why? Because every minority

01:09:40.520 person, individual, is a criminal? No. But I don't know who they are. I'm not God. I'm not

01:09:47.800 omniscient. I don't have x-ray vision. I don't know which individual might commit a crime and

01:09:53.780 which one don't. So I'm looking at those things, right? The secret things belong to the Lord,

01:09:58.620 but there are certain things that are revealed in Scripture and in nature, things that are

01:10:02.860 observant that we can see visibly and i can see not each individual's heart but what i can see is

01:10:08.960 i can i can see statistics i can pull up the fbi statistics right and and if i know that there's a

01:10:15.640 certain group of people that from ages 15 to 40 that the males of that population commit which

01:10:24.980 would be six percent of black males six percent of the total u.s population and they commit i

01:10:32.060 believe it's 51 or 52 percent of all homicides depends on the crime depends on the city but

01:10:37.180 around there 50 to 60 percent from six percent black people being about 13 but the males about

01:10:42.600 six percent if six percent of my country's population is committing over 50 percent 0.81

01:10:49.620 of the violent crimes and homicides then yeah i don't want to live in atlanta anytime soon i in

01:10:59.980 fact i'll say it stronger than that i morally as a christian husband and father under god i am

01:11:08.000 morally obligated not to live in atlanta in in in order to fulfill my god-given duties as a husband

01:11:16.480 and a father so here we are here we are and anybody who says well that's that's racist that's

01:11:25.780 wicked. I've yet to see anyone make a biblical argument for why that's immoral. It may be

01:11:34.900 a Jewish Marxist word that has been invented in the last few years. It may be that, but that

01:11:41.500 doesn't mean anything. I don't operate by that. I operate by biblical standards. And in terms of

01:11:48.080 biblical standards, yes, there is such a thing as sinful favoritism. There's a way of showing

01:11:55.100 favoritism that is sinful. There's also a way of showing favoritism that is not sinful, right? That

01:12:00.520 if a man does not provide for the members of his household, his family, he is worse than an 0.98

01:12:05.260 unbeliever and has denied the faith. Well, that verse doesn't say if a man doesn't provide for 0.94

01:12:09.920 every single child in the entire world, right? So what is that verse saying? It's saying he

01:12:13.780 actually should play favorites. He should favor. He must favor. It's not just permissible. He is

01:12:19.480 morally obligated to favor when it comes to his physical provision, those members of his household

01:12:24.560 above everyone else so we know that there are forms of favoritism that are not sinful but we

01:12:30.780 also know from scripture there are forms of favoritism that are sinful but but the idea of

01:12:35.980 saying that um that making any kind of outward visible judgment on the basis of ethnicity

01:12:45.280 in a particular context where there are great risks and the crimes being perpetrated are not

01:12:56.680 being addressed to say that that somehow is a sin. I've yet to have anyone make for me

01:13:03.360 the biblical argument. So go ahead. Yeah, I was just going to say, someone did try to use Bible

01:13:07.820 verses against you a little bit earlier in the chat. It was the classic culprits, Galatians 3.28,

01:13:12.840 Colossians 3.11, and Revelation 7.9, 0.80

01:13:15.580 which say that in Christ there is neither Jew nor Greek,

01:13:18.720 male or female, slave or free.

01:13:20.180 I love the Bible.

01:13:20.700 Amen.

01:13:21.300 But it's funny because the same Paul that said

01:13:23.240 there's neither male nor female in Christ

01:13:25.100 also said that women can't be pastors.

01:13:27.380 So maybe those categories are spiritual 0.99

01:13:30.040 and the natural categories, crime statistics, for example.

01:13:33.660 I don't think Paul is using those verses.

01:13:35.180 In fact, I know he's not because he references

01:13:37.740 biological distinctions elsewhere.

01:13:40.080 Those are not verses that come in, swing a hammer,

01:13:42.500 and say, hey, you can't live around people that are like you, you can't read crime statistics, 0.84

01:13:46.400 that would be ludicrous. Don't entertain that silly exegesis of those verses. 0.98

01:13:50.640 We have to be consistent in our biblical hermeneutics, in our exegesis. So if you're

01:13:55.540 going to say, well, there's neither male nor female, Jew or Greek, slave or free, slave or

01:14:01.300 master, those are the three categories that are all explicitly mentioned by name. So there's an

01:14:06.340 economic category there, slave or free. There's an ethnic category there, Jews and Greeks, and there

01:14:11.980 is a sex gender category male or female and the apostle paul says in galatians 3 uh verse i believe

01:14:19.240 it's verse 27 that that none of these distinctions exist um in christ for all all of you have been

01:14:27.320 baptized as many of you has have been baptized um you have taken on christ not therefore there is

01:14:33.180 neither male nor female so so take that but then just be consistent right and say well because we've

01:14:40.040 been baptized and we're christians we're in christ um there is no such thing as ethnic

01:14:45.720 distinctions well that's fine but just go ahead i i need to see you affirming transgenderism

01:14:51.360 right i just need you to be consistent so i just women pastors and transgenderism you need to you

01:14:55.740 need to be out there and say um i hate racism and also i fully support men using the women's

01:15:02.960 restroom like target nailed it let's get come on target right right so just be consistent just say

01:15:08.860 i hate racism and i love transgenderism just just but you got to be consistent you got to be

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01:22:53.240 and read the first one for us all right i'll start from the top here with nick bonner nick gave three

01:22:59.980 13.99 3.99 13 glasses are closer than i want to believe nick said this thank you nick i can hardly

01:23:07.000 believe that god's chosen people would treat you so poorly truly shocking god bless you and your

01:23:11.860 community eric yeah god bless i wish them well god's chosen people i i i think knowing nick he's

01:23:18.880 a regular contributor here with the live stream i i'm picking up a little bit of sarcasm and i

01:23:24.900 think nick would respond by saying well that's good because i'm laying it on pretty thick so

01:23:28.540 i think the chosen people phrase is uh it's a quotation mark kind of situation great uh joel 0.54

01:23:36.340 i'll let you get this next one here okay michael is that what you're referring to uh and nig yeah

01:23:40.500 yeah let's do the super chats first um enigmandius i think that's pretty good yeah enigmandius

01:23:48.240 super chat 15 thank you we appreciate that very kind he said the 13 issue and so he's talking

01:23:55.240 about the black community and some of the statistics that we just shared the 13 issue

01:24:00.020 only has a few solutions and americans in general have no stomach for these solutions

01:24:08.620 but they will beg for swift solutions when the majority has to fear just driving into town

01:24:16.640 with their family yeah a lot of what we're trying to add i think that's true um i don't support that

01:24:22.660 i i'm certainly not praying or wishing for that or working towards that um and i don't think um 0.62

01:24:27.940 in a nig mendias uh wants that either i think he's simply uh offering a very true factual

01:24:35.180 observation that we can notice from historical precedent. So I don't think he wishes this, 0.99

01:24:40.820 and we certainly don't wish this, but he brings up a good point. And I just want to use it just

01:24:45.340 as an opportunity to say something I've said multiple times in the past, but a lot of what

01:24:49.860 we're doing with this ministry and shining a light on some of these problems and advocating

01:24:54.760 for some solutions now, it does put us kind of on that far right edge of the Overton window.

01:25:02.840 and so because of that it is kind of we're putting our neck out and it leaves us vulnerable for lots

01:25:08.180 of opposition and and oftentimes quite frequently that opposition comes even in the form of slander

01:25:15.320 which is unfair but we're willing to subject ourselves to a position of vulnerability where

01:25:21.500 we know we'll be slandered where we know that we will get flack and opposition much of it that is

01:25:27.480 is not merited but we're willing to do that because if if no one talks about it now

01:25:33.860 then eventually it will get to the point where the humane solutions are no longer being considered

01:25:41.180 the humane solutions whether that's whether that's morally justifiable or not what i'm saying 0.92

01:25:47.660 is that if no one addresses these situations now then eventually what will happen is that white 0.92

01:25:55.960 people, if we continue on this trajectory with immigration, all these white people will be a

01:26:02.320 statistical minority in the nation. You will have blacks committing violent crimes disproportionately. 0.99

01:26:10.540 You will also have Muslims who have been imported here committing crimes disproportionately. You 1.00

01:26:15.960 also have non-Muslims, but again, minority immigrants that are growing in size like Haitians 1.00

01:26:22.880 who are also committing uh violent crimes uh and and there is a tipping point and we see this 0.98

01:26:29.340 in history in virtually every society there is a tipping point where eventually people are like

01:26:35.220 we've got to do something about this and if you wait too long uh then when the people do finally

01:26:42.060 react they tend to react with violence they tend to react in severe ways and we would like to see

01:26:51.080 that not be the case i don't want there to be a race war i don't want violent solutions we've

01:26:58.680 never once and by the grace of god we never will once ever advocate for some kind of final solution

01:27:06.480 that is certainly not our position we pray regularly and are working regularly to to set

01:27:14.280 the stage to where that would would be unthinkable to where that would never take place but what that

01:27:19.660 means is that we do something now. And so the things that we should be talking about and

01:27:26.420 considering now, well, the first would actually be a strict observance of the law. There should

01:27:33.120 be no more of these double standards, two tier systems of justice, because I don't want race

01:27:40.700 riots. I pray as a Christian pastor, I'm earnestly praying that Carmelo Anthony would get the death 0.89

01:27:48.960 penalty. I am praying that that young man would lose his life in order to satisfy, according to 0.93

01:27:57.800 Genesis chapter 9 and the Noahic Covenant, God's biblical standard for justice. I'm praying for

01:28:03.740 that. So I am actively praying as a Christian minister and speaking out, saying, please, Lord,

01:28:11.300 in your kindness and mercy to our nation, would this young black man please be put to death?

01:28:17.880 please because he's committed a capital offense not arbitrarily put to death that's unjust that's 0.95

01:28:25.340 wrong but for those who have committed according to scripture capital offenses lord would you let

01:28:30.880 justice roll down like waters right would you let justice flow in our nation and no more classes of

01:28:38.760 citizens that are treated with impunity so that's the first solution this is the segregation issue

01:28:46.760 is not even the first solution that's the second solution segregation i think is a tragedy in the

01:28:51.980 sense i think it should be constitutionally it's allowed so legally i don't think there should be

01:28:56.360 any law against it because that erodes freedoms so i think it's it's in a legal sense perfectly

01:29:02.520 permissible in terms of a biblical moral sense i'm i'm first advocating as a christian minister

01:29:08.540 for justice swift penalties to those who commit crimes but secondly if that won't happen as a

01:29:15.180 second measure then the citizens having to take it into their own hands my prayer then as a christian

01:29:20.200 minister is um please don't let it be vigil anti-ism and please don't let it be violence

01:29:25.320 please let it be peaceful kind compassionate merciful decisions where individuals self

01:29:33.340 segregate right again not option one option one is that justice flow from the civil magistrate

01:29:39.380 option two if the citizens have to act because our civil fathers refuse let it be peaceful

01:29:45.380 instead of violent but if neither of these mechanisms kick in if the civil magistrate

01:29:50.960 doesn't start punishing those who are wicked and and if if everyone says even if it's legal

01:29:58.960 and constitutional but but there's so much flack and and you get you go viral and get you know new

01:30:04.860 major news stations you know making you out to look like a monster and that and that ultimately

01:30:09.640 inhibits people from the citizens peaceful solution if the civil fathers won't act which

01:30:15.440 is to peacefully voluntarily segregate if neither of these kick in the civil magistrate

01:30:21.120 enacting justice or the citizens because of the absence of that self-segregating then you get to

01:30:27.880 the third category historically speaking this is what happens and the third category is now there

01:30:34.300 actually is a race war and i don't want that right i don't want that okay so good comment

01:30:40.480 from um that that super chat with ignit enig mandius mandius good comment and i agree with

01:30:49.620 that observation and i don't think he and certainly not us are um prescribing but simply

01:30:54.340 describing what will happen if uh if we don't repent and do what's right okay i'm gonna read

01:31:00.260 two comments that are kind of right along the same line i'll read the super comment first and

01:31:03.440 And then Nathan, I'll read Michael's.

01:31:05.660 Mine eyes have seen the glory, reference to an old hymn.

01:31:08.220 $10 super chat, thank you.

01:31:09.960 Whoever you are, they said this, not against an intentional community,

01:31:13.580 but I feel uneasy about a big tent, including practicing pagans. 0.97

01:31:16.640 Paganism is poison, and those who place a greater emphasis on race over religion 0.99

01:31:21.020 are so backwards, capitalizing so. 0.99

01:31:23.580 And then Michael Anderson commented kind of the same observation question.

01:31:27.020 Outside of freedom of association, what do you think about how Return to the Land,

01:31:32.100 their logo is based on north mythology it's kind of like a rune if you look at it it's kind of

01:31:36.760 obscure but i i think he's referencing the origin of it there seems like they are far more pagan

01:31:41.220 than they make it seem um i think we both completely agree i will say for one i don't

01:31:45.980 really want a pagan to be my neighbor right like if you're like oh here's your options uh you know 0.69

01:31:50.260 a hindu or a pagan neither uh don't really love either one of those uh the any advantages that

01:31:57.300 you would have from it probably be kind of marginally better so definitely agreed we agree

01:32:01.540 with both of these posts we don't want the hindu or the muslim or the pagan we want uh christian

01:32:06.080 communities that said though and i think i think this is probably what you're going to say that

01:32:10.020 said if this is a hypothetical situation which is not the case right we should have the freedom

01:32:15.520 of association you shouldn't be forced with you know i only have two options that's the whole

01:32:19.140 point um but if you were forced if i was forced i'll speak for myself and then west can comment

01:32:24.080 but if i was forced and they said um you have to live next to a pagan who worships thor or

01:32:30.780 um a muslim who worships all off i wouldn't like either of those options religiously

01:32:37.920 but then as a husband and father i would then probably visit the fbi's website 0.98

01:32:43.720 and look at okay so religiously they both suck okay now let's look ethnically which one 0.98

01:32:49.800 statistically is more likely to kill my family right and in that case um you know what now again 0.98

01:32:58.280 the answer is neither. But in a hypothetical where I'm forced to choose one, if the pagan neighbor 0.99

01:33:05.620 is white and statistically has a 0.00001% chance of committing some kind of crime against my 0.93

01:33:14.840 children, and the other individual is a Muslim from some Middle Eastern country that was imported 0.93

01:33:22.600 over here by my wicked civil rulers three weeks ago and i can look at that country his country 1.00

01:33:30.320 of origin and see the statistics of crimes particularly violent crimes and it's exponentially

01:33:37.040 higher well then i think you know my answer right uh and the greatest norse pagan tradition

01:33:44.720 is converting to christianity yeah literally like it's the sixth eighth century yeah like

01:33:49.500 by about that time, most of the

01:33:51.400 Germanic tribes, a little bit less so in the north,

01:33:53.800 they had generally converted to Christianity.

01:33:55.460 About six to eight hundred years, or even

01:33:57.480 less, really, from Christianity arriving there. 0.80

01:33:59.820 So, even as talking about fertile ground, 0.69

01:34:02.180 the conversion of Muslims, 0.94

01:34:03.720 well, that did not go so well

01:34:05.540 during the Crusades. We had to break out the swords.

01:34:07.520 The pagans, we conquered them, but they were actually

01:34:09.440 pretty receptive. They did.

01:34:11.020 Even as far as receptive soil for the

01:34:13.360 gospel and being a neighborly witness, 0.53

01:34:15.400 in that hypothetical, I think one is

01:34:17.360 clearly even just going to be more accepting.

01:34:19.500 yeah and there and there is um historic precedence now this doesn't necessarily mean

01:34:24.620 in all times in all places right so i don't mean that this is fatalistic deterministic for all time

01:34:30.900 but historically speaking at the times that revival happened we can look and say that there

01:34:37.120 were certain soils certain ground that was more fertile for the christian gospel and then there

01:34:44.060 other contexts that were less fertile islamic nations historically were far more obstinate

01:34:51.700 to the christian gospel whereas these pagan societies that were equally lost until the 1.00

01:34:57.900 gospel came they were going to die and go to hell just like the muslims but when the gospel did come 1.00

01:35:03.560 i think of even saint boniface was it the germanic saxons yeah it was like the eighth century out 1.00

01:35:08.380 there in modern day he comes in and they're worshiping thor and odin and all the rest and

01:35:13.360 they have this sacred tree you guys many of you know the story but it's fantastic and i can't help

01:35:17.380 myself but be a little bit of a storyteller sacred tree and that it's you know it's it's a it's a

01:35:22.200 religious you know symbol jupiter yeah i want to say i think so yep and so no one is allowed in

01:35:28.340 their village in their community to even touch the tree or go near the tree because they would

01:35:32.700 be struck dead by by jupiter by you know one of the false gods that they worship and boniface comes

01:35:38.160 in with the christian gospel as a christian man and he says uh these are false gods and they have

01:35:43.560 no real power at least either at all or like uh paul who says an idol is no god at all or even if

01:35:50.460 they were fallen angels that power has been drastically limited and suppressed by the finished

01:35:56.580 work of christ um and and so comparatively they have no power comparatively speaking and the

01:36:03.580 christian god the triune god is the true god and he has much greater power and so he says i'm going

01:36:08.520 to come you know this time tomorrow and i'm going to chop not i'm not just going to touch the tree

01:36:12.900 i'm going to chop it down and legend has it that he comes with his axe and within i think it was

01:36:17.960 the first swing that a great wind from heaven not only was there not a bolt from thor that strikes

01:36:22.860 boniface and kills him quite to the contrary there was a wind from heaven when he swung his axe

01:36:27.920 that in one swing i believe um the whole tree a mighty oak was ripped up by the root and thrown

01:36:35.540 down and the entire village community converted they didn't say kill boniface he just dishonored

01:36:42.780 our gods no they said uh thor is no god at all the triune god jesus christ is king jesus is god

01:36:49.620 and they actually used the wood from this mighty oak tree and built on that exact spot where the

01:36:56.260 tree used to stand the first chapel christian church to worship the triune god an amazing story

01:37:03.880 so there's a rich heritage back to your point was right a rich tradition uh that probably the most

01:37:09.220 common tradition for pagans is converting to christianity uh but then secondly to make that

01:37:13.900 that that other point that we're making is that historically speaking um european tribes

01:37:20.220 that worshipped you know pagan deities did pan out again utterly lost before they were converted

01:37:28.480 and saved but they were a much more conducive fertile soil paganism this is just a historic

01:37:37.940 fact you can like it or not but in terms of historically speaking from observation paganism

01:37:44.780 has proven historically to be far more conducive with conversion to christianity than islam

01:37:52.500 yeah a number of the eastern religions whether it be hinduism buddhism a type of kind of ancestor

01:37:58.040 worship that you have in china those have all been pretty resistant i i'm not aware of any

01:38:02.400 country at scale that is majority 80 90 percent and christian although it's not a lot of western

01:38:08.040 judaism yep judaism very obstinate to conversion to christianity yep so those have just

01:38:14.760 been they have not been the place where the gospels come in and again we're talking in just a couple

01:38:19.420 hundred years in the west christianity was the norm and it's been i think over millennia in many 0.69

01:38:24.660 cases still in the east that is still attempting to take root didn't help that we bombed the two 0.52

01:38:29.060 most christian cities in japan with nukes though does not help hiroshima and nagasaki like what's

01:38:34.220 the story japan literally didn't they say to one of our generals we will convert as a nation i looked

01:38:39.680 into that i don't think the claim was as clear as that the problem was the u.s was forcing a very

01:38:44.180 hard line on unconditional surrender to the point of replacing the emperor and so japan a culture

01:38:48.860 grounded in a monarch an emperor and the u.s is saying we will not have any of your surrender

01:38:54.500 no terms unconditional we're going to replace your your emperor you're saying the u.s was going to

01:38:59.180 force a regime change we were bullying them on the other side of the world the u.s was going to force

01:39:04.460 a regime change in a nation on the other side of the world that doesn't sound like us tail as old 0.76

01:39:08.400 as time and people that's an every single time situation like nagasaki and hiroshima they were

01:39:13.240 the most christian cities at the time in japan now i don't think we literally intentionally

01:39:17.680 bombed them because of that right in like in totality that was the only factor yeah lord

01:39:22.560 knows it did not help i'm gonna read one more comment and then joel give it to you to the last

01:39:26.040 two okay all right jason glasses needs coming in again is that jay jason jay underscore the seven

01:39:33.380 jason jay the seventh 499 thank you jason would it have been better to have never do never bring

01:39:38.840 blacks over keep them enslaved or train them before releasing them from slavery well first 0.70

01:39:43.800 of all we have to say who actually brought them over in large part jews a lot and it was through 0.97

01:39:48.700 financing so if you think about if you finance a ship and you finance the crew trade was financed 0.50

01:39:53.420 exactly yeah um and you captured say would be 400 slaves and then you took them you sold them at this 1.00

01:39:59.300 markup i mean you're looking at tens of thousand percent return so that's why a lot of jews

01:40:04.580 invested in the slave trade and so like virginia literally uh you can read dabney's writings

01:40:09.080 virginia never imported a single slave it was not anglo-saxon protestants that were sailing the seas

01:40:14.560 like yes we can find black people they were brought over here and it was a trade i do think

01:40:19.720 it would have been better if that had just never happened the slave trade in many ways the conditions

01:40:23.900 especially they were iniquitous they were it was sinful it was brutal there was such a disregard 0.72

01:40:28.520 for life dabney believed in race uh dabney um even wanted to keep slaves as slaves and believe

01:40:35.140 that it was moral and and that it was biblically permissible which it is and that it would actually

01:40:40.320 be not just in the best interest of whites but also blacks and yet that same dabney just to set

01:40:45.760 the record straight uh detested the slave trade there's a distinction like so he thought that the

01:40:51.260 slave trade was absolutely immoral and that it needed to stop and for those who are in the

01:40:56.300 theonomist camp that may be listening because i've done a you know a bit of dabbling on this issue

01:41:02.020 they would say well you know the levitical law or exodus i believe it's exodus maybe chapter 21

01:41:08.780 that says that it's not just the one who man steals right so kidnapping right going and stealing a man

01:41:14.940 to enslave him it's not just the the man stealer but anyone found in possession of him right so

01:41:21.800 so those you know because arguments i've made these arguments and they're true uh but like

01:41:26.140 That we were not going into the jungles of Africa, into the brush, you know, with human-sized nets and capturing blacks, you know, and then taking them over.

01:41:36.880 No, they were lined up on the shore by their own people or another black tribe, you know, that had conquered them and being sold.

01:41:44.620 And that is different. 0.54

01:41:46.820 That said, it is true that the scripture says it's not just the one who steals the man, but the one who also is found in possession.

01:41:53.820 Dabney's argument, and you correct me if I'm wrong, Wes, but his argument is, but what

01:41:57.800 do you do when it's not just one degree of separation, right?

01:42:00.860 The one who steals and then the one who initially buys, but you're now 13, 14, 15 degrees of

01:42:07.400 separation in and generations in.

01:42:09.780 These people don't even speak their native tongue anymore. 0.98

01:42:13.060 They only speak English, and they've been Christianized and catechized, and they're

01:42:18.020 going to church right alongside their master and taking the Lord's Supper with their master.

01:42:23.080 they've been catechized and discipled. They are God-fearing Christians. They only speak the king's

01:42:28.160 tongue. They only speak English. And you don't even know which particular section of Africa or 0.99

01:42:33.780 what nation they're even from if you drop them off. And there were individuals in America who

01:42:40.600 advocated for that solution. We should just drop them randomly off. In many cases, they would have

01:42:45.640 been a thousand or a couple thousand miles from- The great anti-racist himself, Abraham Lincoln.

01:42:50.680 Abraham Lincoln, who, you know, and Wes is being sarcastic there, who was a notable white supremacist, very clearly in his rhetoric.

01:42:58.980 And he was saying, yes, let's end slavery.

01:43:02.320 But his solution, right, so people say, oh, he's a great champion for social justice.

01:43:06.040 And look at how compassionate. 0.87

01:43:07.100 He wanted to put all the blacks on boats and drop them off in a random part of Africa that could have been thousands of miles from their home with people who are now multiple generations into America is all they've known.

01:43:19.480 They're Christians. They don't worship these African tribal deities, and they don't even speak 0.97

01:43:24.580 the language. And he wants to do that. And guys like Dabney, Christian ministers, they're saying, 1.00

01:43:29.940 no, that is actually unbiblical and wrong. There are enough degrees of separation to where

01:43:36.380 the Levitical code and Mosaic code in Exodus and Leviticus no longer applies. It is not a sin to

01:43:43.580 be in possession of this individual. So then what is the biblical onus for Christian masters? 0.91

01:43:49.320 It's to treat these slaves with kindness, dignity, respect, right? Ephesians 6, or I'm sorry, 5,

01:43:57.220 I believe, speaks to this, slaves and masters, right? That mass slaves should work heartily as

01:44:02.980 unto the Lord, not mere eye service, just when the master is watching, but they should do their

01:44:08.360 work for their master, but as unto the Lord. And the master should treat the slave with respect,

01:44:14.920 not being abusive, and making provision. The slave would be a dependent, just like my children.

01:44:21.180 I am responsible to clothe them, to feed them, to give them shelter. And a good biblical master,

01:44:26.640 if he's a good God-fearing Christian man, would need to provide good accommodations and quarters 0.97

01:44:32.160 for slaves and meals, good meals, healthy, nutritious meals, and only exact some form

01:44:39.220 of discipline, which certainly there could be a debate about that, but when it's actually

01:44:43.580 justifiable, when the slave is being rebellious. And so this is what Dabney was advocating for,

01:44:49.440 and I understand for any liberal who's listening to this, they're like, oh my gosh, I can't believe

01:44:54.620 the words that are coming out of this man's mouth. Yeah, you didn't live then. You are a

01:45:00.620 product of your place and time you didn't live then you you were not trying to answer this very

01:45:04.720 pertinent question but all the way back speaking of the question to the original question that the

01:45:09.080 viewers sent in to us um what what would have been better if we could turn back the clock um

01:45:14.240 yeah i i think it would have been better if we had never taken slaves yeah that's my opinion 0.80

01:45:18.540 we should have never taken slaves and and the jews who were financing the atlantic slave trade 0.99

01:45:23.960 we should have said you keep that jewish business to yourself no thank you no thank you and we're 0.98

01:45:29.340 going to work hard and we're going to settle this country and we're not going to take any slaves. 0.93

01:45:33.460 And so a lot of what we're dealing with now, here's the reality. There is such a thing as

01:45:38.940 the father's sin and the son's bearing that iniquity. There is something to be said for that.

01:45:46.040 And there are many things. We see this just not just as nations, but in our individual households.

01:45:51.520 There's something to be said for covenant. And the father is a covenantal, a federal head.

01:45:56.300 And if the father is letting down his spiritual guard and living in spiritual apathy, and he's

01:46:03.600 looking at pornography, and he's not being a good Christian man, he's not catechizing his children,

01:46:08.180 he's not washing his wife in the word, he's not doing all these kinds of things, there will be

01:46:12.700 consequences that pass down generationally. That's just an undeniable fact of the world that God

01:46:20.860 built and the world that we live in, in reality, not just a spiritual reality, but we see that

01:46:24.820 At every level, we see the physical implications of this man's sin and the way that it affects

01:46:29.700 his children.

01:46:30.460 My dad was an alcoholic, and so now I struggle with, like, that's, there's so much written

01:46:35.160 evidence to support that principle.

01:46:38.160 And so likewise, yes, I believe that the Civil War was a consequence of some bad early on

01:46:44.360 decisions pertaining to slavery.

01:46:45.960 And I believe that even some of the, it's a Cold War now, praise God, I hope it never

01:46:50.560 becomes hot, I hope it never heats up.

01:46:52.440 But the cold racial relations that are not great right now that we're experiencing, I think also, likewise, are generationally passed down consequences for prior mistakes.

01:47:03.940 So yes, if I could go back in time and if I was in charge, then no, we would not have taken slaves from other nations and built the country through that means. 0.80

01:47:18.460 We found a lot more efficient way once slavery was ended to harvest cotton. 0.79

01:47:22.100 like it wasn't even like this there's this barrier we'll never get over we'll never be able to need

01:47:25.940 the manpower oh the cotton gin and that that's such a great point because that's so pertinent

01:47:30.220 even for us today we look at certain evils in the world and and they just feel like giants it 0.76

01:47:34.740 just feels like how will you ever beat you know black rock or george soros or zionism or what

01:47:40.640 you know you name it or islam like i mean there's there's a lot they come in different stripes and

01:47:44.960 different colors but there are some powerful whether it be individuals or entities whatever

01:47:50.600 it is there are powerful powerful groups um and and vices um ideologies in our world today that

01:47:59.220 sometimes if if we're not careful to be self-controlled we can despair and christians

01:48:05.580 are not allowed we're not permitted to despair um but we can despair give in to despair and say

01:48:11.040 um we'll never be able to beat this and you don't know you you simply don't know what might be in

01:48:17.140 the providence of God right around the corner in terms of spiritual revival, mass conversions,

01:48:22.260 that's possible. The spirit can move. But also, even if that didn't happen, because God in

01:48:26.660 sovereignty decided not to, there are also, like what Wes just cited, there are certain,

01:48:32.300 not just in the spiritual category, but in more practical categories of technological innovation

01:48:37.780 and this, that, and the other that can happen. So we can't get rid of the slaves. Who's going

01:48:42.960 to pick the cotton cotton gin uh we can't get rid of all these immigrants who's gonna work on the 1.00

01:48:47.580 farms and and uh well i don't know maybe maybe tesla robots i don't know but but whatever it is 0.99

01:48:53.140 god has done it before he can do it again yeah so okay go ahead uh which one are we on uh white

01:49:00.920 hebrew israelite white hebrew israelite don't like the name uh but you know what we'll humor you and

01:49:06.420 uh and give it a try five dollars we appreciate that thanks for your generosity he says or she

01:49:11.840 says both jews and greeks are subhumans you know it's it's matching the name why hebrew israeli 0.66

01:49:18.640 uh you're not disappointing uh germanic people have nothing in common with them um well i i think 0.88

01:49:25.800 from an ethnic standpoint that is true that germanic people would be distinct uh from jews

01:49:31.120 and greeks um that's true although isn't there some trajectory of greeks into some european tribes

01:49:39.440 and germanics and things like that there's some crossover i don't think it's very strong okay

01:49:43.620 there's definitely a lot of distinction so okay so yeah so we agree that uh there are different

01:49:48.900 ethnicities different races of men and that they actually are distinct and in a temporal human

01:49:55.660 sense um and even in some sense genetically um very distinct and without overlap uh probably

01:50:02.520 would have worded that comment differently but uh thanks for tuning in and thanks for your

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01:50:12.880 outstanding stuff gentlemen thanks for the support really appreciate it i think this is the last one

01:50:17.920 marcus harrison five dollars from marcus thanks marcus god bless you brothers have any of you

01:50:22.740 guys read color race and communism by manning johnson it is a must read it's actually color

01:50:28.380 race and common sense i think he made the update communism uh common sense yeah those are different

01:50:34.340 i was gonna say communism communism is strictly against common sense yeah leon trotsky is one of

01:50:39.780 the early users of a word in russian that would translate to racism the other early user was uh

01:50:45.300 i'm blanking on his name but it was literally the guy uh magnus hirschfeld who completed some of the

01:50:50.520 first transgender surgeries and he wrote a book on racism and the first kind of english appearance

01:50:55.100 of that word in 1938 came from a gay jewish jewish sexologist who insisted that racism was 0.72

01:51:03.060 racism was this terrible sin every single time every single time but to the point color race 0.89

01:51:07.780 communism very close relationship there of insisting that racism is a sin not necessarily 0.85

01:51:14.420 a biblical kind of backing to it i see origin all right well great comments um most of them

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The NXR Podcast - July 28, 2025

THE LIVESTREAM - Return To The Land, Eric Aarvoll, & Freedom of Association

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