The NXR Podcast - THE LIVESTREAM - Rewarding Friends, Crushing Enemies, and the Will to Win

00:00:00.000 things are changing and quickly in the last 27 days since the trump biden debate we have

00:00:09.020 witnessed a flurry of assassination attempts coups resignations and encouraging political

00:00:16.140 social and institutional developments such as elon musk stating that he is a cultural christian

00:00:22.540 momentum seems to clearly be on the side of conservatives who are starting to reclaim power

00:00:28.640 credibility, and social hegemony that has long been lost. Join us today as we discuss the

00:00:35.620 principles that must guide this next stage if we are to have any hope of lasting victory and change.

00:00:52.520 Man, a week just in this single space of time doesn't feel enough to get caught up on

00:00:57.880 everything that's been going on as you mentioned the opening 27 days since really the roller

00:01:03.000 coaster kind of went off the tracks it's funny because i feel like a lot of us knew joe biden

00:01:08.020 was he was close to death yeah we've known that for a couple years yeah so for most of us who

00:01:12.800 just didn't only watch cnn we were like yeah this is this is how he is he's obviously

00:01:16.880 shambling along uh but for the rest of the country they got to wake up uh then the deep

00:01:22.480 state fix was in like well if our guy's not going to make it there can be another guy that just

00:01:26.900 doesn't have to make it that was the assassination attempt then on sunday i'll be honest i almost bet

00:01:31.640 michael fifty dollars he wouldn't take me up on it that biden wouldn't be the nominee come uh come

00:01:36.040 november i thought they're really going to ram him through i thought they were going to make it

00:01:39.100 happen uh they didn't so now uh really i described it as that in the opening that i wrote it was a

00:01:44.820 coup it was a very quick attempt because because here was the play if you draw it out and you kind

00:01:49.740 of make it as though like this this open primary we're transparent it could be this person could

00:01:53.960 be that person we want to honor the democratic wishes of the convention you're not going to end

00:01:58.340 up with kamala harris she is in my opinion and i'm an optimist right people like oh i'm not a

00:02:03.820 pessimist i'm a realist no you're a pessimist i'm an optimist i don't think she's electable

00:02:08.740 and i don't think in an open primary in the democratic convention in late august that she

00:02:14.060 would get that and so to to maintain control for it to not to go to someone like rfk jr to go to

00:02:18.620 someone else the clintons the obamas the bidens don't like uh the move had to be quick they had

00:02:23.400 to signal complete support do a flurry of fundraising and try to get across to the whole

00:02:28.040 democratic convention get in line now at the end of the day my opinion i don't know maybe you guys 1.00

00:02:33.860 would disagree i don't think it's going to work whatsoever uh she is an unlikable individual uh 1.00

00:02:39.480 she once the two things she's managed really in the the biden administration have been the border

00:02:45.100 got to tell you that's that's going well i feel like we talk about it rewriting that right now

00:02:50.160 too oh really they're saying she wasn't actually in charge of any policy she was just in charge of

00:02:54.220 administrative it's administrating certain key things so the gaslighting on her being the border

00:02:59.120 czar is already is already going on the fix is in fully underway i feel like we're talking about

00:03:03.500 the border like every other week here so great job on that and then the thing she picked up and

00:03:07.520 this is because biden is a catholic and so it's a little tough for him from an optics perspective

00:03:11.640 not from a conscience perspective is to lead the the fight for abortion rights that's been the

00:03:16.100 other thing that she's been very visible in thinks in since the repeal of roe v wade so she doesn't

00:03:21.000 have a great track record i mean already the biden administration track record was bad she herself a

00:03:25.480 worst track record in it very unlikable actually the most liberal track record most liberal track

00:03:30.400 record the worst track record um so in god's grace i would say our enemies are in disarray

00:03:35.020 that's not to say there's not things to fix within the republican caucus uh but but this is good and

00:03:40.240 i would say even encouraging so i'm encouraged two days ago now elon musk the richest man in

00:03:45.960 the world. He said, look, the contributions of Christianity to Western society, they're

00:03:50.720 undeniable. And he said, I am a cultural Christian. Now, there's another step that he needs to take

00:03:55.160 there, and we pray by God's grace he will. But he also noted that he's going to dedicate his life,

00:04:00.500 in a sense, to the destruction of, it's a little bit of a corny term, the woke mind virus. He

00:04:05.440 talked about his son, how his son thought that he was a girl and needed puberty blockers, which,

00:04:10.600 for the record, puberty blockers, that term, these are the drugs that are used to castrate men in

00:04:14.880 prison and then he talked about that sterilization drugs exactly so these would be the drugs not to

00:04:20.060 just pause puberty but to sterilize an individual uh so his son he says my son is dead he was killed

00:04:26.440 by wokeness and says that he's dedicating his life to that uh so many other i think just encouraging

00:04:31.800 uh political cultural uh sociological changes that have happening tucker carlson's a calvinist now

00:04:37.580 apparently tucker carlson's a calvinist and and ascendant to the trump inner circle i think it

00:04:41.820 was it tim scott at the rnc it was jd vance trump tucker and uh and tim scott so this is awesome

00:04:48.020 it's great to see guys on the show to talk about the problems with scofield and now to be fair

00:04:54.340 the guy on his show is uh is a dispensationalist he doesn't know it but he is uh the only difference

00:05:00.620 is that he's post-trip that's it he's a pre-mill dispensational post-trip which is so funny but

00:05:07.220 i'll take it you know i was about to say we'll take the if dispensationalism you know if

00:05:11.060 dispensationalists want to self-own i'm here for it i'll watch that you know 2.2 million views yeah

00:05:17.040 so you've got you've got that you've got thomas massey coming out you know and and admitting uh

00:05:23.020 right before his wife dies you know that there's an apac uh handler for every single person who's

00:05:29.280 in american government every single person in the gop except for him um all these things coming out

00:05:33.800 And one of the things that's important for people to realize is the reason why we know about these things is because of alternative media.

00:05:39.940 It's because Tucker Carlson left Fox.

00:05:43.260 If he was still with Fox, he'd be pushing the line as far as it goes, as far as he could. 0.65

00:05:47.400 But he would not be having Thomas Massey on Fox News to say, yes, the U.S. government is in a stranglehold from Israel. 0.55

00:05:55.780 That show doesn't air on Fox.

00:05:58.140 now right um also not just so you've got tucker uh you know carlson you know uh network um

00:06:04.160 alternative media uh you also have just uh twitter so many things think about this people always

00:06:09.960 talk about the conspiracy of the jfk you know assassination and i think there's a ton of funny

00:06:14.540 business there i do think there is a conspiracy um but here's uh one of the primary differences

00:06:20.300 that you people still don't realize um i think we get to the bottom of this one and you know why

00:06:26.120 because of elon musk and twitter yep right that is the singular reason why is because uh they cannot

00:06:32.920 uh simply gloss over it they cannot uh gaslight they can't memory hole they can't like they

00:06:39.320 actually have to give an account and um the public will see it yeah the public will see

00:06:46.400 what actually happened and that's because elon musk bought twitter um and and so there's so many

00:06:52.140 things that, it's not just that like, well, we should be grateful for the providence of God,

00:06:58.040 that being malcontents, being ingrates is actually a sin that God detests. There's all those 1.00

00:07:05.340 theological reasons and moral reasons. That's absolutely true. But also, if you're blackpilling

00:07:10.940 right now, it's not just that it's immoral and it's not just that you're being an ingrate and

00:07:14.680 you're actually not trusting in God's providence and obeying the scripture, but also you just,

00:07:19.600 you are it's it's almost like publicly advertising to the world that you have an 85 iq

00:07:25.280 if you are blackpilling right now it's not just that you're making an immoral choice and it is

00:07:31.920 immoral you are in sin number two not only are you morally sinning um you you you are publicly 0.76

00:07:40.040 telling everyone that you're unintelligent you are not an intelligent person because here's the

00:07:44.800 here's the great thing about purity spiraling um purity spiraling doesn't take careful thought

00:07:50.220 yeah it doesn't um purity spiraling is exactly it's likened to a pit bull with a bone right

00:07:56.960 right you don't so you don't have to be a genius you don't have to be a savant all you have to do

00:08:01.460 is have just raw instinct so it's just i want the bone i'll grab the bone and anything and everything

00:08:06.800 that gets in my way i'm i'm just not gonna let it happen you know the pit bulls you can't reason

00:08:13.460 with a pit bull right and by the way under project 2025 all pit bulls will be put to death you know

00:08:18.060 so but you know but that being said you know you can't reason so so somebody could come and try to

00:08:22.840 and pit bulls are sometimes helpful right and in real life they're not in this analogy they are

00:08:27.180 in real life again c c point a put them all to death but in in you know in this analogy there

00:08:32.740 are times where it's like okay like there's the proverbial bone and it needs to be guarded at all

00:08:36.920 cost right so release the hounds you know release the crack and the pit bull and let it get its

00:08:42.320 it's jaws on that bone and never let go that's great um but here's where a pit bull is not

00:08:48.420 helpful um any scenario no matter how positive it could possibly be the pit bull will not be

00:08:54.220 reasoned with so somebody could walk in and say uh pit bull please put down the bone if you put

00:08:58.160 down the bone i'll give you this nice steak the pit bull won't do it right it won't it can't be

00:09:02.940 reasoned with it can't because it doesn't have cognitive thought right it's just raw instinct

00:09:08.660 And so purity spiralists are helpful in the sense that, you know, there's different pieces

00:09:13.220 on the board.

00:09:13.760 You got rooks, you got bishops, you got pawns, you got all these things, and I'm grateful

00:09:17.640 for the whole lay of the land.

00:09:18.780 I'm grateful for the whole board.

00:09:20.100 And on this board, you've got the proverbial pit bull.

00:09:22.400 And he grabs a bone, and that is his role.

00:09:27.640 That's his role.

00:09:29.440 Now, when Trump gets elected, and I think it's a when, not an if, and huge things start

00:09:34.720 happening in terms of not trump being this amazing christian prince but in terms of the regime being

00:09:40.240 toppled that puts forward opportunities for things like christian nationalism to rise as a phoenix

00:09:46.760 from the ashes when those things happen um you don't think the pit bull because he he had no

00:09:52.580 hand in making it happen um he was just holding his bone and growling um that's what he does um

00:09:58.520 but that still has a purpose um there's still all these things so my point is this don't black pill

00:10:05.560 so elon and this these are the kinds of things you'll hear um i i appreciate you know andrew

00:10:10.140 torba um i i was you know andrew torba has been nothing but positive for the last two weeks and

00:10:16.920 andrew torba typically his mo is more of a black pill right yeah you know andrew torba would be

00:10:22.620 the kind of guy who would you know who would post you know um a meme you know that says like uh the

00:10:27.360 outcome of the 2024 election it's a picture of bibi you know uh netanyahu from israel you know

00:10:33.180 going like this like ah you know and then it shows the map of the u.s and they're all you know the

00:10:37.960 color of israel flag you know like he swept the nation all you know 400 something electoral votes

00:10:43.540 um that's your typical andrew torba post uh but you know you got to give him props the last two

00:10:49.380 weeks it's been it's been the exact opposite he's been um he's been propping up elon musk and and

00:10:55.680 giving him uh some due thanks and uh he's been um he's been encouraging people uh to to to take

00:11:03.600 heart that uh trump wasn't assassinated uh to rightly view trump's vp pick which is huge that

00:11:10.260 is a a huge white pill um if trump here's the thing if trump is controlled opposition in the

00:11:16.220 deep state i know that's cute and if you want to be cute that's fine you can have that take

00:11:19.520 but if that's what he is then um then nikki haley is your vp tim scott is your vp chrissy no is your

00:11:26.440 vp um the one guy you would not pick right out of and here's the thing it was like well he should

00:11:32.860 have picked dusty deevers no i'm talking about go back pitbull grab the bone okay but for everyone

00:11:37.920 else logical thought the one guy um within politics which is the realm of the possible so hang hang

00:11:44.640 with me here guys um put on the big boy pants but within the realm of the possible is what i'm

00:11:48.800 talking about the real world not never ever land uh the one guy that you want to pick who among

00:11:53.480 real options real choices is jd vance that pick is number one is an insurance plan uh because if

00:12:01.060 he picked anybody else right then he basically just signed the warrant for his uh his assassination

00:12:05.820 the one that actually works right the one that is successful um but now it's a little bit less

00:12:11.340 appealing to assassinate donald trump because you get vance who is trump but with more years of life

00:12:17.080 and uh didn't his background his story arc is uh it's not the uh right not the billionaire it's 0.99

00:12:24.260 not your bruce wayne you know uh you know silver spoon story arc it's your uh trailer park trash

00:12:29.680 rise hillbilly elegy and it's right it's enjoyable i recommend reading it it's a good story right and

00:12:34.900 i'm going to crush everything that has despised yeah people like me right you know so i mean it's

00:12:40.500 beautiful so there's so many things elon coming out saying i i made it my life's mission to crush

00:12:45.220 the woke mind virus the fact that he bought twitter um the fact that free speech there

00:12:51.060 actually is a place for free speech and i understand that like well what about rumble

00:12:54.820 why aren't you guys on rumble uh we're not on rumble for the same reason uh that nobody else

00:12:58.620 is on rumble right you know like um we we're on youtube and doing our best on youtube and it's

00:13:04.660 like well that's because you guys are sold out and compromised and that's the only reason that

00:13:07.480 no we're um most of the guys i'm just going to shoot you straight this one's going to hurt uh

00:13:11.400 some of my close friends, I won't name them, but do you know why your favorite based podcaster

00:13:17.540 gets kicked off of YouTube? Because he doesn't know how to read. That's why. It's because they

00:13:23.960 click monetization. Let me just be honest with you for a second. They monetize every single video

00:13:28.600 and YouTube has very clear print. The reason we have not been kicked off of YouTube yet,

00:13:33.900 we might be one day, but so far we have not been kicked off of YouTube because we're compromised.

00:13:38.040 nope uh we were speaking out against the vax we were speaking out against masks we've been

00:13:42.320 speaking out against uh uh we've we've done whole episodes against israel we've done like we have

00:13:47.280 done plenty of things we went hard pride month we went hard sharing all the statistics talking

00:13:51.740 we talked about um aids we talked about you know uh you know all these different things

00:13:56.420 um the reason why we're not kicked off of youtube is one reason um because we're not greedy

00:14:02.160 that's it uh and what do i mean by that i mean uh when i talk about things that nancy pelosi

00:14:08.740 doesn't uh won't care about like bigfoot and nephilim we click monetization

00:14:13.760 because uh the regime does not care about bigfoot because bigfoot's not a threat 0.72

00:14:20.320 now under project 2025 we will domesticate bigfoot in oklahoma dusty deevers will be

00:14:27.660 the bigfoot captain and we will storm all of the left regime now but you know in the real world

00:14:33.680 uh bigfoot is not a threat and it's that's that's not going to get you canceled off of youtube

00:14:39.320 talking about nephilim talking about you know mermaids and those kinds of so when we talk about

00:14:43.300 those things and get 50 000 views because sadly that just shows you right there the state of the

00:14:48.220 country we get 10 times as many views about mermaids than we do about um things that matter

00:14:53.800 immensely um but you know what the mermaid conversation is interesting and uh here's here's

00:14:59.880 a little known fact um as a christian and even as a pastor i am not mandated to talk 24 7 about uh

00:15:08.320 politics culture and theology right i'm allowed to talk about mermaids i'm actually allowed to do

00:15:12.440 that did you know that the bible actually allows me to talk about atlantis and those things so i

00:15:16.880 do talk about it knowing it'll get 10 times a viewership and that's where we click youtube

00:15:21.400 commercials on uh episode like this we click off and one of the reasons why is because nathan i'll

00:15:28.840 boast on with him for a second not myself because it wasn't me nathan our tech director knows how

00:15:34.320 to read and so what nathan did was he read youtube's policy youtube if you click yes on their

00:15:41.420 monetization over 85 percent of the companies that advertise with youtube have specifically said we

00:15:47.820 want zero association because they're all blue they're all left-leaning right we want zero

00:15:52.080 association with guns zero association with uh with abortion zero association with like any of

00:15:59.760 these things that you say and um and we as an advertiser we are going to drop youtube as a

00:16:07.260 platform where we advertise now what does youtube not want to lose money their advertisers so then

00:16:11.840 what youtube will do because they want to keep their advertisers is they will get rid of their

00:16:16.140 content creators who are who are ticking off the advertisers because they're talking about the

00:16:21.520 things that these companies these blue left-leaning companies don't want to be associated with

00:16:25.480 so um if you're like you know people like pearly things you know like pearl davis is not a christian

00:16:32.220 you know but you know but says some conservative talking points and sometimes is insufferable and 0.96

00:16:36.460 sometimes you know is right and and blah blah blah but pearly things i got nothing against her

00:16:40.180 i got nothing really for her but she she's out there she's doing her thing okay um well she's

00:16:45.440 you know constantly talking about i was kicked off of youtube again or i was kicked off of this

00:16:48.500 or i got another strike or we got demonetized right there hone in that's the key demonetized

00:16:53.560 right because she's clicking monetize on on every single video clip anything everything always um

00:17:03.640 and what we do is we've made a calculated decision at the very beginning of the year when we present

00:17:09.380 our budget to the board at the end of the year and all these things uh we make a calculated decision

00:17:13.260 that we're probably only going to monetize

00:17:15.340 about a third of our content on YouTube.

00:17:18.200 Why?

00:17:19.580 Because we're not greedy and we know how to read.

00:17:22.600 And we want to win.

00:17:23.760 And we want to win.

00:17:24.700 So we're going to talk about the things

00:17:25.880 that need to be talked about

00:17:26.800 that YouTube advertisers won't like

00:17:28.340 that would get us canceled off of YouTube.

00:17:30.060 And we're going to talk about them for free.

00:17:31.940 We're going to talk about them without getting revenue.

00:17:34.440 And then we will get YouTube revenue

00:17:36.220 from 10 times the revenue

00:17:38.540 in terms of number of viewers

00:17:40.200 because we'll come and talk about something

00:17:42.320 that nancy pelosi and the bidens and the obamas and all the regime don't fear at all aka mermaids

00:17:47.760 and i know you watcher viewer um i know that i'll get 10 times um your views when i talk about

00:17:54.980 mermaids that don't really matter and so i'll get youtube's money because you will come and watch

00:18:00.860 my mermaid video and then for the real patriots for the real maybe well the real christians please

00:18:06.320 stand up that's you guys who are watching right now who watch the wednesday live stream yeah um

00:18:11.160 we get you know there's only a tenth of you it's it's only a tenth the amount of views so why not

00:18:16.280 forfeit the ad revenue anyways because we're only going to get 5 000 views instead of 50 000 so it's

00:18:21.840 not going to be that much money so we turn it off because we know how to read and uh and then we're

00:18:26.320 able to stay on youtube so all that being said the point was elon musk twitter that's a real

00:18:31.260 platform that's a big deal that is a big and now you see remember how people were losing their

00:18:37.160 minds when he was going to when he tried to when he tried to buy it people were losing their minds

00:18:41.880 do you know why because they wanted to kill trump and they wanted to get away with it it's all these

00:18:48.800 things that people the regime had in the back of their mind they're like why was it such a big deal

00:18:53.880 if if a private entrepreneur right businessman wants to own a business oh i'll tell you why it's

00:19:00.960 a big deal because there has not been free speech in this country with any major legacy media

00:19:06.620 organization for decades for decades and that's how you can assassinate kennedy and have the

00:19:12.980 government involved and get away with it that's how you can rig an election in 2020 and get away

00:19:19.960 with it that's how you can uh force the entire country all of your citizens into their homes

00:19:25.660 and and and getting foreign substances jabbed into their arms and wearing masks for a year and a half 0.66

00:19:32.140 and get away with it but you know what you can't get away with it anymore if people are allowed

00:19:36.580 to speak freely like what what has pushed also all the white pills in the introduction everything

00:19:41.560 that you laid out west all these white pills what has been the domino effect what where are we seeing

00:19:46.740 all these white pills where oh all of a sudden the head of the secret service uh i'm not going

00:19:51.300 to resign week later she's gone yep you're gone uh why what uh oh uh it might be an inside job

00:19:58.140 there might be a second shooter oh that the slope through thing like um all these things um oh you

00:20:03.360 You know, Trump, you know, picking Vance as his VP or all the statistics coming out about 0.72

00:20:12.960 the transgender madness, you know, or all the truth coming out about the vax. 0.99

00:20:17.700 Where is that happening? 0.99

00:20:19.200 It's happening on X.

00:20:21.060 That's where it's happening. 0.64

00:20:22.820 So, well, but Elon Musk is a cultural Christian, and if he doesn't repent of his sins and 0.97

00:20:27.140 believe upon the Lord Jesus Christ, he's going to die and go to hell. 0.99

00:20:30.080 No doubt. 0.90

00:20:31.700 Who's arguing with that?

00:20:32.800 right who's arguing what we're saying is that an unregenerate man as far as we know who is for the

00:20:38.860 record low-hanging fruit you want to talk about fields that are white for the harvest it's 0.66

00:20:43.600 conservatives it's on the right it's not on the left right right they want to kill you but people

00:20:48.360 on the right um so if you actually care about evangelism and all these kind of here's a crazy

00:20:53.140 thing uh you could do what andrew isker's doing you know people giving him a hard time for leaving

00:20:57.400 minnesota as though there's no lost people in tennessee right gave me a hard time you abandoned

00:21:02.260 the mission like there's no lost people in texas no there's lost people there's lost people in

00:21:07.080 texas and tennessee just like there are in california and in minnesota here's the difference

00:21:11.880 um in texas and tennessee some of them get saved

00:21:14.460 the the left that's the difference about it before there's something about when you just

00:21:21.440 take a man or you take a woman you just strip them of their purpose they're almost harder to

00:21:25.520 evangelize i think of uh defending boyhood i forget the author but uh catholic guy but he

00:21:30.460 notes just a catholic or he notes uh anthony what's his name nathan anthony esalen he notes

00:21:37.140 that a cowboy who came to christ that the first had to be nature for grace to restore a man has

00:21:41.000 to know his purpose a woman has to know her purpose and then they understand i need grace

00:21:45.140 to complete this purpose you take an atrophied video gamer and you tell them that that here's

00:21:49.720 what a man should be and here's responsibility and here's initiative why would i need to do that

00:21:53.740 that's what california is full of and uh the fields are ripe for the harvest yeah on the right

00:21:58.360 so white pills all over the place uh trump can be dead and uh his enemies are your enemies

00:22:06.040 that's the thing that you have to understand the friend enemy distinction it is a serious

00:22:10.780 it's it is a good distinction in the realm of politics right it absolutely is um so the same

00:22:16.760 people that hate you and your way of life your wife and your children are the same people that

00:22:21.220 hate trump the same people who were lamenting publicly out loud lamenting the fact that the 0.94

00:22:27.240 assassination attempt failed right so uh the same people who want you dead also want him dead and

00:22:33.900 they were not successful white pill um trump had a ton of rhinos and regime players to choose from

00:22:41.600 and picked the one guy who has been to the wall he's wore the tiny hat uh he has retracted uh some

00:22:49.360 of the stalwart strong position he's had on abortion he's walked some of that back and

00:22:53.360 compromise all those things are true um but within the realm of possible not peter pan but the realm

00:22:58.820 of possible which is what politics is not the realm of the perfect but the possible he was the

00:23:03.820 best pick bar none absolutely and trump picked him so one trump survives two he picks jd vance

00:23:10.300 uh three uh elon musk uh declares that he's going to uh his his goal in life is to destroy the woke

00:23:18.800 mind virus right elon musk is allowing porn on twitter terrible right terrible uh-huh but there

00:23:26.060 is one major platform that people actually go to that has free speech right uh also porn bots 0.96

00:23:32.760 yeah that sucks right and we need to pray that god would change elon's heart and we need to pray

00:23:37.640 that maybe uh we might have some more conservative businesses in the future that aren't embarrassed

00:23:42.480 to advertise on a free speech platform so that uh elon doesn't have to make twitter profitable

00:23:47.740 from porn right that's part of the problem um the porn bots are there because all the advertisers

00:23:53.660 got out because all the companies are blue right um so and if we got a little bit more spying with

00:23:59.820 some of these companies that are conservative and they stopped being private secret conservatives

00:24:03.440 closet conservatives and actually said you know what we're not embarrassed to give our advertisement

00:24:07.840 uh money and our budget uh for this this annual calendar to elon musk and to advertise exclusively

00:24:14.260 on twitter if some conservative companies came out and did that uh i guarantee you you'll see

00:24:18.740 uh some of the porn bots start to disappear so uh all these things so jd vance kissing the wall

00:24:23.720 jd vance uh retracting some of his his position on um on on you know pro-life and and elon musk

00:24:30.320 the fact that he's a cultural christian and yes he as far as we can tell he's not born again he's

00:24:33.920 not regenerate and there's porn on twitter um all all these things um if if if your headline is um

00:24:43.060 Israel wins no matter what, and all Americans are Zionist, and there's no hope, then just do us a favor and get off of social media and just spend a touch grass, spend time with your wife and kids, and you can come back out after November.

00:25:00.200 Joel, there's another reason why people might be blackpilling, and that is because they have the wrong definition of winning. 0.63

00:25:06.820 And for the record, the topic today is winning, which is a weird word to evangelical Christians.

00:25:12.220 That's true.

00:25:12.500 sounds dirty i've coached i've coached a couple elementary soccer teams and i can think of a few

00:25:17.940 where winning was not a common occurrence on our team and when i would start talking about winning

00:25:22.980 it was like what is this word that that coach is talking about right nevertheless we're talking

00:25:27.460 about winning and one of the reasons why people blackbill is their definition of winning is wrong

00:25:31.680 and as i was researching some for today's um discussion uh i was i was listening to a guy who

00:25:37.540 was talking about modern critiques of liberalism and he said that one of the promises that

00:25:42.440 liberalism makes is that under classical liberalism there will no longer need be a need

00:25:48.160 for friend enemy distinction in other words liberalism is going to flatten the playing

00:25:53.720 field between all people and all nations such that we are all so similar in our utopian vision

00:26:00.920 that there is no friend there's no enemy there's just the comrade or the npc next to you right and

00:26:08.600 so one of the things that we are saying is winning is that trump forms coalitions that call people

00:26:16.440 enemies in fact i think looking back at 2016 that's probably the biggest reason he lost is he

00:26:23.080 was willing to gather people himself and say y'all are my friends they are the enemy right and so

00:26:30.340 many americans evangelical christian americans don't have the stomach for this is a good group

00:26:37.080 that's a bad group over there we've talked about that that you know evangelicals keep praying that

00:26:42.340 god would give us hearts for revival we need that but we also need stomachs yeah for revival and so

00:26:47.180 part of winning is we have to have an enemy that we're winning over and we have to be doing better

00:26:53.400 being more strategic having more power having more influence than than our enemy is and what

00:26:58.980 we're saying is there's a point in a sports game a football game something like that where the tide

00:27:04.440 shifts and we're saying we think we are on the edge of a tide shifting where the the one team

00:27:10.440 has been beating up on us and it seems like the tide is shifting and we are starting to see what

00:27:17.160 winning might actually look like amen and that doesn't um winning doesn't mean that everything

00:27:23.120 game has been one that's right um but but what it does is it uh winning one game lets you play

00:27:29.740 another yep it lets you you know winning on one day lets you see the next day yep it gives you

00:27:35.120 an opportunity to uh to regroup to re-strategize to restructure and uh and then and then to win

00:27:42.000 more yep and to win more and to win more and to win more so um i don't i don't know what's

00:27:46.680 going to happen uh trump has um he's campaigning um a good deal to the left of uh where he was in

00:27:54.060 2016 that's true uh there's no denying that however let's just remember and i don't have

00:28:00.700 a crystal ball i'm not predicting this but let's just remember that uh trump campaigned uh far to

00:28:07.040 the left from how he governed even in his first term right um he did and this is crazy especially

00:28:13.660 for evangelicals i know this is crazy uh but did you know that politicians sometimes lie

00:28:19.300 don't believe it it's crazy i know um but did you know that sometimes politicians will say something

00:28:28.160 because they'll have their fingers on the pulse of the base and they'll actually know i i'll say

00:28:34.340 this uh donald trump has a a much better and jd vance for that matter they have a much better

00:28:40.720 understanding of where america is currently at than evangelicals do yeah that is 100 right they

00:28:47.080 have a much better finger on the pulse of and you know why they're not running a pro-life

00:28:51.220 campaign right now because america is not pro-life yes uh conservatives in america are not pro-life

00:28:59.000 they are not running that campaign because that campaign won't win and that's a tragedy yep it's

00:29:03.740 an absolute tragedy but that is the state of affairs and so my prayer is that they win

00:29:08.420 and then they begin to govern far to the right of how they campaigned and that that begins to set

00:29:15.200 the stage for new judges like he did last time right new laws new legislation and then the law

00:29:21.140 of god in a biblical fashion would function in its second use or a third use as a tutor

00:29:25.940 that better judges produce better laws and that better laws over time it doesn't happen

00:29:32.180 overnight but over time began to shape the populace tutor the people in the same way that 0.54

00:29:38.640 a burger fell as a law it tutored uh the people and said oh gay marriage uh actually isn't bad

00:29:45.140 yep right so it was both and it was cultures getting more progressive that gave you a progressive

00:29:50.880 law a burger fell but then once you got the uh progressive law a burger fell that began to shape

00:29:56.680 the moral consciences of people even more to thinking gay marriage is fine yeah and so what

00:30:01.680 we want to see is the reverse of that. That's what we saw with kings of Israel. We would see 0.91

00:30:05.480 good king comes in. He doesn't come in through an electoral vote. He doesn't come in through

00:30:10.700 our sacred democracy. He comes in by the right of kings through noble birth, and God gets a hold of

00:30:18.300 his heart from a young age, someone like Josiah, and he comes in and he says, people, what do you

00:30:22.820 want? Nope. He comes in and he says, the high places are coming down. And there's weeping,

00:30:28.580 right the the suburban moms are weeping uh over josiah's intolerance how could he how could he

00:30:35.020 and josiah says don't care you know and he tears them down by law by fiat as king and then over

00:30:42.740 time the hearts of the people follow and the people become righteous because the people follow

00:30:48.500 the king people follow leaders donald trump like it or not right this i mean i think this is much

00:30:54.680 indictment and judgment as it is mercy and i think it's both i think there's a hand there's a white

00:30:59.920 pill the black pill they're they're both there together but it is god's mercy and it's also an

00:31:04.160 indictment on our nation but donald trump is the leader of these united states of america he's not

00:31:09.520 currently the president but he is the leader people don't follow titles they follow leaders

00:31:14.420 they follow courage he is the leader and he's a leader for a reason he accurately reflects where

00:31:20.220 i think the nation is at yeah that's where the nation is at um which means um further right than

00:31:26.200 donald trump is what we want but further right than donald trump is not where we are right not

00:31:31.520 today but getting donald trump is a step and getting further right of him and part of that

00:31:37.240 may come through trump himself governing to the right of how he campaigns because crazy i know

00:31:42.060 politicians lie uh but then also uh that sets the stage for what comes after trump right yeah and

00:31:49.800 And for better or worse, the GOP is Trump's party and will be until one of two things happen.

00:31:55.000 He gets a second term or he dies.

00:31:57.760 That's just the way it is.

00:31:58.840 So you've got to get through a second term of Donald Trump before we can do anything else.

00:32:03.680 And I see that as a blessing.

00:32:05.860 It's not everything I want, but I think it's most of what I want within the realm of the possible.

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00:34:32.180 yourself in the word all right well welcome back uh we're gonna go ahead and talk about enemies

00:34:41.620 just real quick though if you're enjoying this video helps us out give it a thumbs up boost the

00:34:46.140 algorithm gets it out to people give a thumbs up uh if you're enjoying it i forget we did it last

00:34:50.560 week we said guys we just want to experiment we've never asked people to smash the like button

00:34:54.300 every youtuber does it we've never done it it seems insufferable but we caved we did it we said

00:34:59.040 please do it and we got like double abuse it helps that's awesome yeah yeah because i'll watch

00:35:02.780 a video like this and i'll i'll just be watching it enjoying it i don't think about thumbs up so

00:35:06.460 so do that if you're you're appreciating this joel well first of all eschatology so someone

00:35:11.880 could be watching this they're pre-mill they're all mill uh and they say you guys you're excited

00:35:15.660 you're seeing these white pills because you must think that the golden christian age is just about

00:35:19.520 15 minutes away so your eschatology is informing all this and we just want to say for the record

00:35:24.040 pre-mill, ah-mill, post-mill, there can be reason to be excited. So maybe you're pre-mill,

00:35:28.940 you think that the end of history leads towards an increasing apostasy. There are still high 0.67

00:35:34.640 places, high highlights along the way. Christendom 1.0 was great. And if you're pre-mill, you have

00:35:40.040 to acknowledge, yeah, America was 98% Christian. Europe was to be, Europe was to be Christian. So 0.72

00:35:46.700 even the pre-mill that thinks towards the end of history, that things go downhill, there's a great

00:35:50.580 apostasy, the enemies grow and grow, you can still recognize that there can be highlights.

00:35:55.020 So maybe you're pre-milt, you can still be excited in this moment. Same thing for amil,

00:35:58.640 there's not necessarily a high or a low to it. You can be excited, and by God's grace,

00:36:02.820 that things are improving for you, but also for your posterity. And if you're post-milt,

00:36:07.620 it's my caution that there's going to be dips along the way, that it's going to take time for

00:36:12.580 the gospel to saturate, to get into the soil, to cover the earth with the knowledge of God.

00:36:17.540 So we're optimistic.

00:36:19.560 We're fighting hard in our current moment.

00:36:21.460 Doesn't mean long-term that America does last.

00:36:24.260 We don't know this land, this United States, who will ultimately occupy it when Jesus returns.

00:36:30.260 But still, Christ is king.

00:36:32.880 He's ruling and reigning.

00:36:34.420 Psalm 110.1 is the most quoted verse in the Old Testament, in the New Testament, from the Old.

00:36:39.660 Jesus will reign.

00:36:41.380 My Lord said unto my Lord, sit in my right hand till I make all your enemies a footstool for your feet.

00:36:45.980 Christ is putting his enemies under his footstool.

00:36:48.640 We all know Jesus wins in the end, but whether the church in this age win, lose, or draw,

00:36:53.340 I'm excited that what God is doing.

00:36:56.200 I love the optimism.

00:36:57.120 I think it's the second 300 movie where they're about to attack. 0.98

00:37:00.620 I think it's, is it the Greeks, the Persians?

00:37:03.620 And he says, they outnumber us a paltry three to one. 0.76

00:37:05.960 So they're about to go charge them.

00:37:07.480 He's like, guys, we have got them on the ropes.

00:37:09.720 They only outnumber us three to one.

00:37:11.660 So that's the type of energy we're trying to bring.

00:37:13.760 All right.

00:37:15.120 so we were in ogden about a month ago at least me and you were uh gave an excellent talk if you

00:37:19.600 guys haven't heard it yet go to new christendom press it's on youtube you talked about righteous

00:37:22.860 balkanization i think it was more controversial than wolves i believe it or not they were so

00:37:27.400 such different talks his was academic yours was rousing they were both really good never going

00:37:31.680 to be academic because it's me well i was being nice about it yeah i appreciate it uh so very

00:37:36.840 briefly in that talk though you mentioned you said uh i want to i maybe give the i'm trying to

00:37:41.800 think of the broader context but you essentially said i want to win i want to win conservatives

00:37:46.160 christians uh we need to stop seeing power as icky it's not inherently evil nor is it inherently good

00:37:52.080 um it is uh power is inevitable right it's a uh and the whole illustration you know or analogy of

00:37:58.880 you know uh lord of the rings you know frodo destroying the ring um is terrible uh when it

00:38:03.840 comes to uh power uh when it comes to power in this world especially political power or cultural

00:38:09.480 power because um it's not whether but which um so the idea of like you know conservatives that

00:38:15.640 you know classical liberals the insufferable incessant trope of like well what if the the

00:38:20.840 tables were returned if we did that and they would set a precedence you know that one day

00:38:25.000 when our enemies when when those who disagreed with us when they came into office they might

00:38:29.360 do the same thing to us shut up shut up are you are you serious uh we're not talking about the

00:38:35.820 one ring that needs to be destroyed in mordor and they're going to do that anyway they're going to 0.97

00:38:40.000 do it anyway we're not talking about the one ring that actually that there's actually the fires of

00:38:44.820 that can destroy it no the ring in this case the ring that we're talking about is uh romans 13

00:38:51.520 the civil magistrate it is a ring that has been instituted by the god of heaven and it will exist

00:38:59.440 like it or not, until Christ returns. So, cast it back into the fires from whence it came

00:39:08.700 is not a feasible option. That's not on the table. We're talking about the government,

00:39:14.540 civil magistrates, civil government, which is instituted not by man, but by God,

00:39:19.300 and by God's design, bears swords. It has the sword. It has power. So, it's not whether we

00:39:27.140 have power uh but which direction will power be wielded but who will wield it and in which direction

00:39:32.940 will they wield it so power is inevitable and so i was saying conservatives and christians are you

00:39:37.760 know constant that power is icky and you know the way of the cross jesus you know he laid down his

00:39:42.120 life yeah he laid down his life because it was it was predestined before the foundations of the

00:39:47.340 world were laid that he would die as the lamb of god but here's the thing he's not dead anymore he

00:39:52.040 didn't stay dead he died so that he might raise again and then ascend in power and authority to

00:39:57.780 the right hand of god the father and he said the last thing he said before ascending to god's right

00:40:02.760 hand he said all authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me you now the church as my hands

00:40:09.700 and feet the body of christ on earth you have been vested with my authority to carry out and push for

00:40:16.520 the crown rights of jesus over every single square inch so i was talking about that and in all of that

00:40:21.540 I said, we need to win.

00:40:24.240 We need to wield power righteously.

00:40:26.660 The Christian mantra as it comes to power is not to forsake power, but to rule righteously.

00:40:35.480 It's not to forsake rule, but to rule righteously.

00:40:39.420 And so in that, I said, I want to win.

00:40:41.660 I want Christians to have power. 0.98

00:40:43.860 And with that power, I want it to be wielded righteously. 0.99

00:40:47.320 What does that mean?

00:40:48.120 It means crushing our enemies and rewarding our friends.

00:40:52.300 And to be clear to Steel Man, you said, I want to crush my enemies and I want to reward my friends.

00:40:57.420 Now, just think about it for a moment. 0.90

00:40:59.260 So if you're trying to give the benefit of the doubt, who the Christian's enemies, they're being conformed to the image of Christ.

00:41:04.840 Who are the Christian's enemies? 0.72

00:41:06.980 The enemies of Jesus.

00:41:08.640 That's right.

00:41:08.980 So you're speaking, you're saying, I want to reward friends, family, community, church.

00:41:13.860 I want to bless them.

00:41:15.420 I want them to be rewarded.

00:41:16.480 I want them to hold positions of power to be established, and then the enemies, not your personal enemy who didn't cut your grass or got their grass clippings on your lawn, the enemies of God, the wicked.

00:41:27.040 I mean, how many psalms?

00:41:28.720 Psalm 37, I think Psalm 137 as well.

00:41:31.300 Do I not hate them with a perfect hatred?

00:41:33.860 Perfect hatred.

00:41:34.360 There is a category of, and this would be the distinction between a private enemy and a public enemy.

00:41:39.180 Right.

00:41:39.320 There is the public enemy that is not in view.

00:41:42.660 Literally in, so in the Greek and in the Latin, there are two different words for private

00:41:46.340 enemy and public enemy.

00:41:47.480 The word for private enemy is inimicus and the public enemy is hostess.

00:41:52.520 So you said...

00:41:52.800 Like hostility.

00:41:54.200 Exactly.

00:41:54.820 Like a foe, I think would be another way.

00:41:56.780 The King James translated it.

00:41:58.220 So you said, I want to punish my enemies and I want to reward my friends.

00:42:01.640 And people said, well, Jesus said, love your enemies.

00:42:05.200 Now, specifically in view there is not...

00:42:09.200 This is not New Testament Christianity.

00:42:11.740 As if there's a distinction between Old Testament and New Testament.

00:42:14.340 But you know what? God bless him.

00:42:14.900 I bet he got so many boomer donations by that virtue tweet.

00:42:19.080 And that's it.

00:42:20.460 But Owen Strand, he seriously is going to have to have, 1.00

00:42:23.440 he's going to have to get a job in 10 years when there's no more boomers. 1.00

00:42:27.140 When they all die. 1.00

00:42:27.620 I know.

00:42:28.120 You know what I mean?

00:42:29.540 I'm sure the Dobson Center has a lot of funding.

00:42:31.640 Yeah, that's true.

00:42:33.320 Go ahead.

00:42:34.020 Anyhow, so as Jesus says, he says, love your enemies.

00:42:36.280 And that is in there.

00:42:37.040 Love your enemies.

00:42:37.780 Pray for those who use you. 1.00

00:42:39.200 Those are absolutely true, and they're absolutely binding on the Christian.

00:42:42.140 Those are the words of the Lord Jesus Christ.

00:42:44.240 The question is, what enemy?

00:42:46.060 I'm going to read this.

00:42:46.860 This is from Thomas Aquinas, so mid-century scholar, mid-century Catholic scholar.

00:42:51.080 So he says of the term immicus, this is the private enemy.

00:42:54.760 It is lawful to attack one's enemies that they may be restrained from sin.

00:42:59.220 And this is for their own good and the good of others.

00:43:01.040 Consequently, it is even lawful in praying to ask that temporal evils be inflicted on

00:43:05.500 our enemies in order that they may mend their ways. Carl Schmitt, he says something interesting.

00:43:10.660 He says, never in the thousand-year struggle between Christians and Muslims did it occur

00:43:15.540 to a Christian to surrender rather than defend Europe out of love towards the Saracens or the

00:43:20.260 Turks. Christ's command, that is the command to love your enemies, certainly does not mean that

00:43:25.680 one should love and support the enemies of one's own people. And so when we think about enemies,

00:43:30.760 talk about enemies, refer to them. Private, public. Private, public. Public enemy. Democrats.

00:43:38.140 We talked about them. Abortion doctors. I'm not naming a specific individual. I'm naming 0.85

00:43:42.820 groups of people. Those that are wicked over and over again. This is the struggle in Scripture.

00:43:48.900 The wicked prophet and the righteous pushing back. David and Moses and others. What are we to do

00:43:56.300 with the wicked and the answer is never to lay down and take it to surrender to let them plunder

00:44:01.940 your house plunder your country uh do what they will with your family that's never the answer

00:44:06.540 now personal private ethics an individual that tests you an individual that's difficult to work

00:44:11.700 with uh there is or turn the other cheek or one who wrongs you exactly turn the other cheek go

00:44:17.160 the extra mile but that is of course not referring to the people that would decimate your homeland

00:44:22.520 ravage your family plunder your goods that that's no nobody thought like this so if they heard you

00:44:28.480 talking about enemies and again not your neighbor that's personally offended you but talking about

00:44:33.260 enemies any decency any giving of the benefit of doubt would recognize that what you're saying is

00:44:37.780 that we talk about enemies we're talking about collectives that threaten our way of life i've

00:44:43.220 been doing some some research into multiculturalism and globalism and um one of the one of the realities

00:44:50.400 that we live in now and this is something that we need to actively fight against but one of the

00:44:55.820 realities that we live in now is we are told over and over and over again there is no better or

00:45:02.080 worse culture there's no better or worse nation multiculturalism promises that it's really

00:45:08.940 multiculturalism is really like um extreme individualism on a group level where we say

00:45:17.500 how dare you judge someone's behavior? How dare you judge their gender expression or their 0.92

00:45:22.700 LGBTQ expression? I'm an individual, I can do whatever I want. Multiculturalism is the same

00:45:27.460 principle on a group scale, where it says, how dare you say that this culture is worse than that

00:45:33.080 culture, or that there's any sort of objective line that we could say we ought to prefer our

00:45:40.360 culture over another culture. And even, and here's the really thing that we've got to get

00:45:47.060 past, even if there are two cultures that are not necessarily morally inferior and morally 0.93

00:45:53.380 superior, but they're just very different, it is still okay for a Christian living in 0.55

00:45:59.600 one and a Christian living in the other to say, this is my culture, and I'm going to

00:46:04.300 protect this, and this Christian to say, great, this is my culture, and I'm going to protect

00:46:09.720 this.

00:46:10.720 And that sort of thinking has been so eradicated, so eroded, and it really makes me sad, because

00:46:16.420 really what we're saying is, I have no love or duty or honor for the people that God gave me to

00:46:23.320 and gave to me. And really what we say is, God, your sovereign choice in giving me to this people

00:46:30.860 or that people is completely meaningless. And it would be like saying, I don't need to love my

00:46:37.540 family more than the family down the road. God didn't give me my children as a special gift to

00:46:41.800 me or me to them as their father, as an act of grace and love to them.

00:46:46.200 And that's a violation, too, of the fifth commandment.

00:46:48.460 So the fifth commandment, honor your father, mother, that it may go well for you in the

00:46:51.420 land that I'm giving you, repeated by Paul.

00:46:53.860 Well, it's not as though you only honor your father, but then grandfather, great-grandfather,

00:46:57.800 that it just stops at that first level of family.

00:47:00.160 No, we honor our grandfather, our great-grandfathers, those that came before us, especially those

00:47:05.180 that came before us in stalwart faith.

00:47:06.900 But then if you go back long enough and you go back broad enough, oh, that's referring

00:47:11.480 to a collection of people that typically would occupy the same space so my family came from a

00:47:16.180 lineage and heritage that lived in this state that did this for a vocation and we are called

00:47:21.100 not to not to ignore it not to turn our back on it not to forget it but to honor and to venerate

00:47:26.160 and of course the good things about it uh if you're uh jd vance just listening to his family

00:47:30.740 there was some violent people in there his grandmother she said uh if her her husband

00:47:35.300 came back drunk one more time she'd kill him he comes back falls asleep drunk on the couch

00:47:39.220 covers him in gasoline throws a match onto his chest and his daughter has to put the fire out

00:47:43.640 if that's in your legacy it's okay to maybe not include that in the book to recognize that not

00:47:48.720 the best part of uh of me ma's character but generally speaking the good the hard work the

00:47:53.320 labor that your ancestors put in should be honored and should be respected we speak highly of the

00:47:58.300 things that can be spoken highly of and and generally cover the things like maybe setting

00:48:03.640 your spouse on fire but all that to say to ignore and just allow allow its erosion is to violate

00:48:09.060 one of the Ten Commandments, which is to honor your father and your mother.

00:48:13.020 Yeah.

00:48:13.720 Yeah.

00:48:14.440 Yeah.

00:48:14.920 I think about, you know, even fellow brothers in Christ, different Christians, like you

00:48:20.560 think of historic, you know, wars and like World War I and World War II and regardless

00:48:25.680 of all the, you know, the things we'll never know about what was right and, you know, all

00:48:30.700 this, you know, there's so many things that, we'll just say Elon Musk had not yet bought

00:48:34.960 Twitter.

00:48:35.260 So, you know, we have what we have.

00:48:37.160 uh but the point is that uh you know there were people fighting on both sides and there were

00:48:41.820 christians yeah on both sides and there were you know some wars i even like i think of you know

00:48:45.920 the war for independence you know and uh with you know against you know the brits you know and then

00:48:51.380 you've got the the american patriots and there were christians on both sides and there are you

00:48:55.680 know even um instances you know in history where you have you know um you have record of where

00:49:01.880 like on christmas day they they called you know both sides called a ceasefire and you even have

00:49:06.540 like fellowship between you know these opposing sides um and and fellowship around the gospel

00:49:12.660 and around the person and work of jesus christ and christmas day and his incarnation and like

00:49:17.280 they shared in common faith and then and then yet it was still completely proper and permissible

00:49:22.960 but not only permissible but proper and even right uh the next day that they picked back up arms

00:49:28.540 that they actually had temporal enemies they had corporate national public enemies so everything

00:49:38.660 that you guys are saying i completely agree with um if if it's at an individual private personal

00:49:44.460 enemy somebody um all the time i'm turning the cheek you know all all the time you know i get

00:49:49.940 slandered on social media by by people and um you were lied about or whatever and uh there's so many

00:49:58.240 times that i just i don't respond at all or if i you know i respond far more charitable charitably

00:50:04.140 than the person was towards me um that's turning the other cheek um but uh if china uh tries to

00:50:12.920 destroy you know in like an act of war with the united states um that's that's not a turn the

00:50:19.360 other cheek scenario that's not uh that's not what jesus is talking about uh it's simply not

00:50:25.120 And if you believe that it is, then you have to be a globalist, universalist, pacifist.

00:50:32.460 At that point, you're just a progressive.

00:50:36.720 Well, or you're an incredibly bad theologian because I think to be charitable, most Christians, 0.58

00:50:45.480 what they've done is they've taken the personal enemy category or the personal piety and holiness 0.53

00:50:51.340 that we are to have as Christians, and they have said, well, if we're going to be a nation of

00:50:55.840 Christians, our national and international policies have to look exactly like what I would do in

00:51:01.980 generosity or compassion or forgiveness or kindness on a local level to the man on the

00:51:06.840 street next to me. And again, I know we say it all the time, it's just a category here.

00:51:12.240 There's a different way to be a ruler and a leader of a nation who is Christian and enacting

00:51:18.640 Christian principles than to be a neighbor with someone next door and to be a Christian in that

00:51:23.820 setting. Yeah. There needs to be some epistemic humility, too. So if you're just a 28-year-old

00:51:29.520 woman, you're like, well, my opinion on theonomy is this. Like, hold that, sit down, sweetheart.

00:51:34.020 Men, great men, learned men, I think of Johann Alstad or Althusias, Turretin, have thought

00:51:39.740 at length for their entire lives about Christian political systems and what is proper and right

00:51:46.940 and good and you barely read through the new testament last year but you have an opinion like

00:51:51.480 oh they're wrong on that and that even goes for myself there's there's things that i'm still

00:51:55.420 learning so i've learned hopefully by god's grace i continue to do it more if there's something i

00:51:59.800 don't know or an area i'm not experienced in to to step back to not take a strong opinion to not

00:52:05.320 because some people they treat like like they'll read a book or read something they're like i have

00:52:09.440 the key to knowledge they're really just there's not a replacement for doing the reading for being

00:52:15.000 well read for for versing yourself especially in the protestant magisterial reformers for versing

00:52:20.160 yourself in that history being familiar with it interacting with the arguments that they've made

00:52:24.560 and coming to a conclusion so there needs to be some humility of like yeah i actually haven't

00:52:29.220 thought a lot about the political i've never read any political books i have no familiarity with the

00:52:34.740 magisterial reformation and what they thought calvin addressed the king maybe i'll take a

00:52:39.720 back seat to this and i'll let stephen wolf do most of the thinking or all that you guys uh

00:52:43.940 import some thoughts in that that can be helpful if you are just coming to this for the first time

00:52:48.280 just take a seat and and you will thank yourself if you take an opinion in the heat of the moment

00:52:53.420 not a good look when nine months later you have to walk it back yeah yep got that wrong and let's

00:52:58.800 be honest nine months later uh most people don't walk it back that's right they double down so many 0.95

00:53:03.480 exactly so many of the divisions that we have had you know i call them the the great cn wars

00:53:08.560 of 2022 and 2023 the christian nationalism wars so much of those divisions um were not calculated

00:53:15.860 they were not thoughtful um it was uh one of my close friends who was associated with

00:53:22.980 you know my denomination or my organization or whatever um just threw something out

00:53:29.240 you know just threw something out in you know into the ether and uh and then that obligated

00:53:36.280 me from a relational say i gotta go get my boy so then i hopped in and then you know two years

00:53:42.620 later um we still we can't we can't come back and actually say that we were wrong and so now

00:53:48.980 for all of time uh we are the guys who disagree with john calvin we are the guys who agree with

00:53:55.340 the reform tradition uh in terms of soteriology and reject everything else and um that's sad it

00:54:03.000 honestly breaks my heart that uh because one guy comes out with a tweet without thinking and says

00:54:10.500 you know john gill essentially is wrong and baptists can't legislate the first table of the

00:54:15.060 law baptists can have nothing to do with christendom and you you say that without thinking

00:54:21.280 and that one tiny thing um from one guy then all his you know co-belligerence and and i get it i'm

00:54:29.280 sympathetic like that that's our guy we love our guy i get that and so then there and then there's

00:54:34.500 this huge battle and then there's fallout and there's never really uh not true not deep uh

00:54:40.880 reconciliation and not just that it uh that you now have inevitable perpetual relational fractures

00:54:45.980 but you also have now um a commitment a dogged commitment to bat theology right we must be

00:54:52.100 against legislating the first table of the law we must be against uh blasphemy laws uh we must be

00:54:58.120 against uh from all for all of time uh we must win so now like you know a year and a half after 0.68

00:55:04.200 the fact when elon musk comes out and says i'm a cultural christian richard dawkins and those

00:55:08.580 kinds of things and then you hear the testimonies of of their uh famous atheist assistant who was

00:55:13.680 a cultural christian and moved because of covid and moved to a more conservative town and wanted

00:55:18.040 to make friends because they didn't know anybody so they started going to a cowboy church and

00:55:21.000 cultural christianity led to their actual regenerate christianity and you can't affirm

00:55:25.160 can't say anything like because because one guy um just randomly without giving it much thought

00:55:32.760 said uh baptist i can have nothing to do with chrysidom like it's really sad when you think

00:55:37.900 about like these are not and you need to know that listener you need to know um and that goes

00:55:42.300 for everybody myself myself included um you need to know that so many things that go down these

00:55:47.880 last few years um this like in so many positions of guys you're listening to these are not guys

00:55:53.080 doing the work of a theologian in a vacuum with a blank piece of paper sitting in front of them

00:55:58.320 thinking clearly uh it's so much of it you just have to recognize is uh providential it's

00:56:05.200 contextual it's relational you'd like to think it's objectively theological it's not it's

00:56:10.860 relational i can tell you right now um i can tell you what your theology will be um 12 months from

00:56:17.000 now i can tell you to the t what you will believe theologically what convictions you will hold

00:56:21.720 if you simply provide for me your your top five podcasts that you listen to and your top five

00:56:26.860 friends um we we like to think that we're just that we're making these objective unbiased

00:56:34.720 decisions in a vacuum with with sheer objectivity that's not uh that is not just like politics it's

00:56:40.960 the realm of the possible well that's not human life that's not the world that god created we

00:56:45.760 we don't live in a vacuum we live in a context and and within the providence of god we've been

00:56:50.800 place in a particular time a particular place um we have particular friendships um and and things

00:56:58.020 happen and sometimes uh your theology you'd like to think that you did the reading on both sides

00:57:03.340 and that you objectively came to this because of that and that because of this uh when in reality

00:57:08.300 it's uh no i just happened to i started following this person and then i became friends with that

00:57:15.300 person and then this person you know started slandering this person and i came to his defense

00:57:20.600 And now I'm Thomistic instead of Vantillian.

00:57:25.820 It has nothing to do with the reading.

00:57:27.080 Or now I'm Vantillian instead of Thomistic.

00:57:30.520 You have to recognize that.

00:57:32.240 So real quick, we'll go to our last commercial break, but I want to take a couple questions.

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00:57:44.000 We will, at the end of this episode, take a couple questions, two or three questions.

00:57:47.760 I've noticed, you know, I'm following it as we're talking as hard to, you know, to multitask.

00:57:52.520 But you guys are saying, why do a live stream if you're not going to interact with the audience?

00:57:57.400 And the answer is because the live stream helps with the algorithm.

00:58:01.280 It pushes out to more people.

00:58:03.360 The live stream is not all live streams have to be Q&As.

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00:58:12.220 And if you have a legit question, then we're happy to answer it.

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00:58:17.760 Wes, I'll hand it back to you for a couple more points

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01:00:22.960 all right welcome back time to land the plane we we laid out enemies we laid out friends i want to

01:00:31.100 give the conditions for victory uh these are i'm borrowing them from rn mcintyre for the record

01:00:35.140 you need to be aaron mcathire maxing he's one of the best voices there is right there right now

01:00:39.560 out there on politics he's gonna be at our conference which would be awesome i'm really

01:00:42.640 excited to hear him speak so i'm borrowing from him as many good things have happened we have not

01:00:47.240 even taken back one percent i would say the cultural capital that we need to so we are not

01:00:52.620 we're over halfway there whoa we're halfway there no there's a lot of ground to be taken up and uh

01:00:58.440 and some of the criteria i i think are really helpful to lay out so i think of it was 2023 i

01:01:03.380 think we got dylan mulvaney off the beer can and bud light stocked anheuser bush their stock tanked

01:01:07.920 that's it man we had a cultural victory no we didn't we didn't whatsoever how did that change

01:01:14.780 at all a social dynamic yes we penalized a company maybe maybe target stock went down but that didn't

01:01:20.040 get our guys into power it didn't change society's values so arm mcintyre lays out four conditions

01:01:25.340 for victory i think these should be be used uh really frequently as we're thinking about winning

01:01:30.760 taking back institutions here they are four conditions for victory enemies fired friends

01:01:36.380 hired money to our patronage network and society pushes our values so one more time these are the

01:01:42.300 conditions for victory enemies fired friends hired money to our patronage network and society pushes

01:01:48.080 our values i said dylan mulvaney already it's not enough i think of brent leatherwood who was

01:01:52.580 removed for a grand total of 12 hours we removed brent leatherwood we did it right we'll know if

01:01:57.500 If he's replaced by someone even further to the left of Russell Moore, we haven't won anything.

01:02:02.820 It's getting our enemies, real people that are subversive and wicked in positions of power, getting them out, getting our guys in.

01:02:10.320 Getting good, godly men to take those civil magistrate positions, institutional leadership positions, those SBC positions, back up.

01:02:17.660 So it's enemies fired, friends hired, and then it's cash and it's capital.

01:02:21.480 You were talking about Elon Musk.

01:02:22.900 Why was he able to purchase Twitter?

01:02:24.600 he was able to purchase it because he made a ton a ton a ton a ton a ton of money right he slept on

01:02:32.560 the floor of his office if you read uh isaacson's uh biography of him incredible uh the hardest

01:02:38.600 working man probably any of you have ever heard of which gave him the money to actually make the

01:02:43.340 change most christians maybe they would make the change they they would take over twitter and they

01:02:47.120 would maybe even i don't know if do a better job but they get pornography off it right they don't

01:02:51.640 have a a shot at it why because they don't have any money because they haven't built anything

01:02:56.420 so it's it's enemies fired it's hiring friends it's money to these networks to build up things

01:03:02.380 like new founding things like ridge render things like uh the center for baptist leadership so they

01:03:07.080 can have staff and put out more resources money to your patron network and then society pushes

01:03:12.120 your values the end of pride month the end of dei right society reinforcing these things that

01:03:18.820 we talk about as good. Reinforcing not just agnostic or ethereal virtues, Christian virtues,

01:03:24.960 Christian values. So when you see those four things, our enemies fired en masse, friends hired

01:03:31.180 ascendant to positions of power all over as judges, as appointments by the Senate, as vice president,

01:03:37.320 money flowing to our networks, and then society reinforcing those values that those leaders and

01:03:43.140 those friends and those networks are pushing, that's when you know we've made good progress.

01:03:47.900 And so those are the tangible things to push for.

01:03:50.680 So when you see those things happening,

01:03:51.960 that's when you know that we're making tangible progress,

01:03:54.380 that we're winning.

01:03:55.340 To get there, though,

01:03:56.740 first step is you have to at least even want those things to happen.

01:04:01.560 And right now, sadly,

01:04:03.120 there are many conservatives and Christians,

01:04:06.020 evangelicals especially,

01:04:07.200 that don't even want those things.

01:04:08.660 So like you said,

01:04:09.720 enemies fired was one of them.

01:04:13.360 A woman who laments the failed attempt 0.57

01:04:17.440 of uh trump's assassination and and not just that if you look at the tweet celebrates right that a

01:04:23.880 trump supporter died using his body as a human shield to protect his daughters uh she celebrated

01:04:30.140 that and she gets fired and uh conservatives immediately waste zero time doing everything

01:04:36.820 they can to uh to clutch you know to to to just snatch victory out of the the you know or to snatch

01:04:44.560 defeat out of the jaws of victory they're like we we might win uh quickly is there anything that

01:04:49.920 we as evangelical christians can do to lose um and what do they do they say this is cancel culture

01:04:56.700 we don't we don't like it and uh we we don't want uh they they start doing the ring thing they're

01:05:01.600 like the ring needs to be thrown into the fire of mordor you know what what if the left does it

01:05:06.300 what do you mean what if the left the left has been doing it that's all they've been doing this

01:05:10.660 canceling us for four years and much longer than that but just in in broad daylight how many

01:05:16.300 fathers lost their jobs over the vaccine fathers not just single women how many fathers lost their

01:05:21.600 children over transgenderism right how like at at every level um this is what they've been doing

01:05:27.200 one woman gets fired and it wasn't just like you know she literally celebrated the death

01:05:33.080 of a trump supporter who was a father a firefighter shielding his daughters from bullets

01:05:38.460 and she loses her job the solution isn't to prevent that the solution by the grace of god

01:05:45.780 is that that would multiply by 10 000 exactly we need so much more of that which goes back

01:05:51.660 to an earlier point um you can pray for hearts for revival all day long um my prayer and we should

01:05:59.380 my prayer in addition to that is that god would give us stomachs for revival and you know what

01:06:04.600 that prayer essentially what that prayer means um at some level what it means is um that that we

01:06:12.920 would not have female leadership because women aren't actually supposed to that's a prayer god

01:06:18.260 won't answer because that's a prayer basically asking god to to grant something that goes against

01:06:24.000 his natural good design uh part of the reason we don't have the stomachs for revival um is because 0.99

01:06:29.940 um women weren't weren't supposed to they women are supposed to think like when a husband comes

01:06:36.980 home and says yeah this woman lost her job at home depot um the the the correct natural response 0.95

01:06:43.080 from your wife um is oh that's sad i feel bad for her that's good that's a good instinct for her to

01:06:49.660 have um it becomes a bad instinct though if she's got her own podcast and she's wearing a pantsuit 0.76

01:06:55.560 She's got a blog and a million followers of other suburban moms, and all of them have 1.00

01:07:00.320 a vote, and all of them actually make more money than their husbands, and the court system 1.00

01:07:04.640 is in their direction to where if they ever divorce their husband, they get all the stuff 1.00

01:07:07.980 and they get the kids. 1.00

01:07:09.020 So in a gyneocracy, in a woman-led nation and culture, which is what we currently have, 1.00

01:07:15.540 there's only two types of leaders, women and those who are women adjacent. 1.00

01:07:19.400 That's it. 1.00

01:07:20.100 Women of both genders. 1.00

01:07:21.300 And women adjacent.

01:07:21.960 so in that society um it's going to be really hard for us to get friends hired um you know

01:07:29.100 enemies fired you know those kinds of things because those are things that men do and uh and

01:07:34.500 it requires spine fortitude uh stomach so i will say i was encouraged i would say it was about a

01:07:40.460 50 50 of conservatives i think of charles haywood example like no this needs to happen yeah he came

01:07:45.420 out immediately and said stop it yep there's a woman peachy keen who was like oh we can't we

01:07:50.640 can't do cancel culture in the verse i know no we can no we should and we will and we've done one

01:07:55.440 percent of what we need to do yes one percent we lament i i was sad when i heard the news i was sad

01:08:01.000 to hear that it was one employee yep my brothers by god's grace i pray for 10 000 more jobless

01:08:08.620 people uh that's so that's that's not yes jobless people i pray for 10 000 more my enemies to be

01:08:15.300 fired and i'm talking about people who celebrate the death of fathers yes yes we want those people

01:08:22.260 to to be fired because because we want there to be a mechanism a a restraining mechanism socially

01:08:31.420 and culturally that says this behavior is bad yeah yeah so that people change the law of god

01:08:37.560 working and beginning to tutor a people any any other thoughts west or michael before we

01:08:42.140 do a couple, couple questions? No, just, I mean, the, the constant reminder that we need to have

01:08:49.000 in the, the liberal multicultural society that we live in, that the existence of enemies

01:08:56.080 is not a bad thing, right? The idea that we are going to, I was just, I was doing some writing

01:09:02.300 earlier this week, and post-millennialism does not teach that there will be no enemies. It teaches

01:09:10.500 that until Christ comes back, we will be, he will use us, his people, to destroy enemy after enemy

01:09:18.100 after enemy after enemy. And so even with post-millennialism, we're not after a utopia

01:09:22.580 where we all just sit around and eat chips and watch Netflix, right? The post-millennial hope

01:09:28.860 is that one enemy after another after another will be destroyed. And often what we don't like

01:09:34.360 to do is put feet on that idea because often enemies that the church is destroying are backed

01:09:42.320 by people who support godly and wicked ideas and so that means the church is going to be removing

01:09:48.500 people from power through preaching the gospel and through godly leadership civil magistrates

01:09:54.460 and it's going to have real impacts on real people they're not just theoretical enemies or

01:10:01.800 just the enemies of ideas because people they are but people believe ideas and they act on ideas and

01:10:08.520 they are the ones that need to be corrected or punished as righteousness increases through the

01:10:12.640 land yeah in deuteronomy it says again and again when it talks about the law your eye shall not

01:10:17.500 that one of our inclinations injustice is to is to pity and there's a place where uh paul talks

01:10:23.480 about bowels of mercy compassion those have a place uh but it's not in the realm of justice

01:10:27.960 All right, let's take some questions. So here we go. This is Stryker, and Euclid, he has a similar question, but let me read Stryker. He says, Joel, how do you feel associating with Wolfe, talking about Stephen Wolfe as a self-proclaimed general equity theonomist when Wolfe called theonomy 20th century garbage?

01:10:46.740 I'll answer this, and then I want Wes to pipe in.

01:10:50.400 I'll go ahead and also read real quick Euclid, his question, because they're both over the

01:10:54.000 same kind of thing, the Thomistic versus Vantilian persuasion.

01:10:58.020 You know, which side are you on, Joel?

01:10:59.840 So Euclid says, Joel, your public theology is a mix of Thomas and Vantil, and when it

01:11:06.540 comes to the Christian prince, even a bit of Hegel.

01:11:09.740 That's not true.

01:11:10.420 do you not see Thomism and Vantillianism as contradictory? Yes, I definitely think that

01:11:20.700 there are certainly, Thomism, not everything that Thomas Aquinas said, but Thomism, those aspects

01:11:26.760 of his writing, there are certainly major factors that stand directly contradictory to Vantillian,

01:11:35.020 the Vantillian position, which Bonson and Gary North and Rush Dooney and all those guys held,

01:11:39.920 and we'll get into that in a second but uh with striker uh in terms of william wolf

01:11:44.780 or i'm sorry steven wolf i'm sympathetic uh so steven is a friend and uh no i i don't feel

01:11:51.820 how do i speaking at the conference yeah how do i feel associated with him uh so short answer

01:11:55.680 great feel fantastic about that um so he's a friend i spoke with him in ogden uh he's speaking

01:12:00.580 at our conference uh this this coming april um and i'm no shame whatsoever uh to speak to him

01:12:06.800 about that uh or to partner with him on that um in that conference i think what steven wolf is

01:12:13.500 getting at um i wouldn't word it the same way i don't hold all the positions that he holds

01:12:17.700 um but steven wolf really that it's he's frustrated you see it from time to time on twitter he comes

01:12:25.000 out like every and he and he does both every now and then you'll see he'll have a post we'll say

01:12:28.680 all right we're all on the same team like let's just you know let's just win let's freaking win

01:12:32.720 something, please, you know, and he'll say, all right, you know, like, you know, the Vantillians,

01:12:37.160 you know, the Theonomists, you know, we'll take them, you know, like, happy to be, and, you know,

01:12:42.020 he canon published their book, you know, like canon published his book, and, you know, most of 0.70

01:12:47.580 the, you know, Moscow folk are more Vantillian than they are, you know, than they are Thomistic,

01:12:54.460 and so Stephen Wolfe did not start, here's my point, he did not start out when he published 0.94

01:13:00.480 his magnum opus of you know the case for christian nationalism he did not start out um making jabs

01:13:07.220 right at uh at um theonomist um the problem is so when he says that it's 20th century garbage i

01:13:15.040 would disagree with that i don't think that van till is garbage uh by any stretch i think he's

01:13:19.160 brilliant um so i don't think it's 20th century garbage but i got asked this same kind of question

01:13:23.480 by eric khan at the ogden conference where he said all right joel like we're sitting here on

01:13:27.720 stage and we're talking about these things and what you know what is you're you're the only guy

01:13:31.580 on stage who claims to be you know a general equity theonomist joe rigney was on stage but

01:13:35.620 even joe rigney he's a moscow man uh but he is a classical two kingdom guy um he is a protestant

01:13:42.680 magisterial reformed position he is not um he's not uh a general equity theonomist guy and so

01:13:50.860 they asked me being the only guy on the stage brian's not and just for the record ogden was

01:13:56.080 If you had been in the halls of Ogden in the basement, you know, as they're recording some of their first, you know, episodes of King's Hall, you know, or in a staff meeting, you know, Deacon Ben Garrett, you know, and Dan and Eric and if it was 2020 and you would, they, they would have, you would have heard them saying, how could anybody not be a theonomist?

01:14:16.880 Absolutely.

01:14:17.660 They were saying that pretty much everybody who wanted to fight was saying that.

01:14:23.500 Right.

01:14:23.700 because that was the only really known position of of god's law of fighting because um the classical

01:14:34.580 two kingdom calvin position uh had been hidden from us well and co-opted co-opted right and and

01:14:43.160 i mean even some of these guys who claim to love the puritans i'm talking about not just not just

01:14:47.720 the uh the pastors but i'm talking publishers right were were literally uh uh taking out whole

01:14:54.560 portions right of of the reformers when they would publish their books so we didn't know exactly what

01:15:00.640 calvin thought politically because nobody was ever going to talk about it and if they did they would

01:15:04.620 you know say it was bad and if you read calvin you know that part might have been edited out

01:15:08.320 depending on which publisher you got your reformation puritan books from and so um my

01:15:13.700 point is nobody really knew and so they're looking at theonomy they're saying well theonomists seem

01:15:18.300 to be you know the only ones who want to fight back who actually want the law of god to be the

01:15:23.500 law of the land and um and so that that's where a lot of that came from and steven wolf it wasn't

01:15:28.020 giving theonomist a hard time at that at that point and published his he was willing to publish

01:15:31.920 his book with canon with moscow theonomist guys and wilson was willing to publish it knowing that

01:15:37.740 that it was not that you know wilson it's not like he didn't read the book he read the book

01:15:41.960 he knows it's not van tillion he knows it's tomistic wilson said all these things up front

01:15:46.380 before the book even came out you know and he did videos you know preparing for the launch with with

01:15:51.340 steven wolf and so that that partnership was fine are there contradictory positions doctrinal

01:15:58.420 positions there will will there have to be an eventual showdown between aquinas and van till

01:16:04.120 yes um but right now living in clown world um and just trying to get a man on first base um there

01:16:12.620 there is no war necessary and there what here's my point there wasn't a war there only started to

01:16:18.260 be a war when all the theonomists that's true started dogging stephen wolf constantly for two

01:16:25.220 years so it's it wasn't until the theonomist and i'm still of that tribe i am a general equity

01:16:31.100 theonomist whether they'll have me or not that is my position i am more van tillion than i am

01:16:36.280 of of atomistic persuasion uh far more and yes to answer your question you click uh absolutely i see

01:16:42.820 that they uh directly contradict um in certain areas and they are areas that matter so yes i'm

01:16:48.800 aware of all that um i am still a theonomist and i like theonomy um i am coming very quickly not to

01:16:56.560 like theonomist though because what i'm realizing is that theonomists don't actually want to win

01:17:01.560 theonomists want the 1980s theonomists don't want um they don't want christ rule they don't

01:17:08.860 theonomists want to argue over um whether or not we should have prisons which the bible actually

01:17:14.620 we shouldn't have prisons right that's true uh but but uh when when there's actually real

01:17:19.820 legislation on the table we need to lock up criminals who are raping women right theonomists

01:17:26.460 want to talk about uh the hypothetical realm of theory and whether or not we should have prisons

01:17:31.140 instead of talking about actually locking up criminals um theonomist here's another why do

01:17:37.620 they like the 1980s usury i'm just going to say it straight up because they some of the theonomist

01:17:44.460 make a lot of money and they want to be able to continue to charge high interest rates period

01:17:50.240 um gary north was wrong about usury i like i like the theonomist i like rush duney i think they're

01:17:56.540 right about 95 and general equity theonomist when i will i will never stop claiming that because it

01:18:02.700 is the confessional position whether you're westminster or 1689 so yes i believe that the

01:18:07.840 moral commandments of god the decalogue exodus 20 applies for all people in all times in all places

01:18:13.060 and when i go to the civil magistrate i don't need to point to a migration pattern of deer

01:18:17.560 or the constellation of the stars i can say god wrote a book special revelation it doesn't just

01:18:23.180 apply to the church it applies to all peoples in all places kiss the sun lest he be angry psalm 2

01:18:29.100 it applies today it applies for you so i will always be a general equity theonomist the bible

01:18:33.820 is for all people not just god's people all people and we i'm a theonomist in the sense that

01:18:38.860 we're allowed to use the book we're allowed to use the book i don't have to point to examples

01:18:43.340 in nature to make an argument i can say god wrote a book and he wrote it for you kiss the son lest

01:18:48.440 he be angry so yes i am a general equity theonomist 100 it's the confessional position and i'm not

01:18:54.120 going to back down but i'll tell you what um it is in becoming increasingly embarrassing

01:19:00.040 to be publicly known as a theonomist why because steven wolf no because of theonomist

01:19:06.500 because of theonomist um i i don't know hardly any group that is shooting itself in the foot

01:19:12.940 with more fervor and vigilance than theonomist and i personally do not believe that theonomy

01:19:20.460 has to be intrinsically tied to boomer con post-war sentiment right but right now it is

01:19:26.660 it is and you just have to realize that if you're a theonomist here's your crew here's your team

01:19:32.480 andrew sandlin right david bonson which by the way that apple fell far from the tree yeah so so

01:19:41.540 So I don't know what to do.

01:19:44.240 So yes, I'm going to have Stephen Wolfe speak at my conference and be a friend, of course,

01:19:47.740 because Stephen Wolfe has eyes in his head.

01:19:51.200 Stephen Wolfe knows what time it is.

01:19:53.320 Stephen can read a book and write a book and read the Bible.

01:19:57.020 Yeah, I'm going to have Stephen Wolfe.

01:20:01.500 I need to know, what's the difference between Bonson, David Bonson, and Michael O'Fallon?

01:20:07.560 Because at the end of the day, their doctrine is different.

01:20:09.600 but in terms of uh their their latest tweet and how and and what to do about politics right now

01:20:16.600 it seems as though they have the same guiding force it's not their different theology because

01:20:21.340 then they'd have a different guiding force but their same guiding force is one of them has a

01:20:24.780 cruise line and the other one has a hedge firm and it seems like that guides their sentiment

01:20:32.100 So, yeah, I love theonomy.

01:20:35.680 But the theonomists are really starting to frustrate me.

01:20:40.360 I'll give another name.

01:20:41.020 Someone asked, like, who?

01:20:42.520 John Reasoner is another guy who sparred with a ton on Twitter.

01:20:45.680 Has some of the worst takes, my goodness.

01:20:48.560 Joel McDermott, too, back in the day.

01:20:50.060 Joel McDermott.

01:20:50.960 Yep.

01:20:51.680 And he would say he's still a theonomist.

01:20:54.900 Theonomy, sadly, I think theonomy, great.

01:20:58.840 But the theonomists, the people, they have proven to have no...

01:21:04.440 Stephen Wolfe talks about bulwarks.

01:21:08.300 The theonomists have proven to have very little bulwark.

01:21:12.740 Very little bulwark.

01:21:13.800 And let me give an example of not.

01:21:15.080 Jeff Durbin.

01:21:15.840 Jeff Durbin is out there on the streets.

01:21:18.240 Because he's not doing the ivory tower thing.

01:21:20.960 So guess who else I invited to speak at my conference?

01:21:23.340 Jeff Durbin.

01:21:24.420 Because he's great.

01:21:25.740 So at the end of the day...

01:21:26.640 And guess who else I have?

01:21:28.340 So I've got Andrew Isker.

01:21:29.780 He's going to come. 0.83

01:21:31.040 And he's currently writing a book about why Zionism is a sire. 0.97

01:21:36.480 Right. 0.74

01:21:37.000 And I'm also going to have Steve Dace.

01:21:39.780 Steve Dace. 0.97

01:21:40.280 Who is borderline a Zionist. 0.90

01:21:41.920 No, no, no.

01:21:42.500 He said he is.

01:21:43.640 Okay.

01:21:43.980 Then he's not even borderline. 0.92

01:21:45.120 He's a Zionist. 0.97

01:21:46.440 And why? 0.97

01:21:47.480 How?

01:21:47.820 How could you?

01:21:49.020 Here's the common denominator.

01:21:50.780 With all the guys that I have.

01:21:52.380 Whether it's Warren McIntyre or Steve Dace or Jeff Durbin, who's a theonomist.

01:21:56.240 David Reese, who's a theonomist.

01:21:57.640 uh dusty deavers the christian prince who's the theonomist or steven wolf who is not right um

01:22:02.780 in all cases here's the common denominator uh what do they have in common i don't understand

01:22:07.360 how's he coming up with his team where's he at what how does how does he formulate his position

01:22:11.240 um show me your friends and i can tell you what your doctrine will be in a year

01:22:14.900 my friends um as i choose them um are guys who kick butt and take names that's how i i pick my

01:22:23.820 friends they want to win i pick my friends by people who want to win uh people who don't just

01:22:28.220 have pietistic hearts for revival but stomachs for revival guys who are fighting uh steve days

01:22:34.780 is pre-mill ish i think he's pre-mill dispensational ish and zionist ish although he's

01:22:44.340 using sproles material he is god bless him yeah exactly you know he's open he's open he's winnable

01:22:49.840 But the point is, even if Steve Dace ends up in the next six months before the conference saying, I'm going to become a Zionist, even harder.

01:23:00.580 I mean, that'll be unfortunate.

01:23:02.180 I wish he wouldn't.

01:23:03.620 I wish he wouldn't.

01:23:04.960 But if Steve Dace continues to do what he's done for 20, I don't know what he'll do in the next six months, but I know what he's done for 20 years.

01:23:11.180 And for 20 years, Steve Dace has been fighting real battles, not hypothetical 17th dimension theoretical battles.

01:23:19.840 about whether or not we should get rid of prisons of course of course we should but first we need

01:23:24.640 to actually build more prisons see that's where i'm starting to part ways not with theonomy yeah

01:23:28.960 but with our current boomer uh theonomist uh i'm willing to say uh here's the goal and where we

01:23:36.260 need to get but right now um we're just we're simply not at the place we're going to start

01:23:40.940 flogging people for assault right lynching people um for for you know a capital offense

01:23:47.040 and then enslaving people for double restitution, for theft.

01:23:52.600 We're just not there right now.

01:23:53.940 And so because we're not there right now,

01:23:55.580 with the current system that we have,

01:23:58.520 in order to stop the epidemic of crime

01:24:04.600 and to make it safe for our own wives and children,

01:24:08.080 right now we don't get rid of prisons.

01:24:09.960 Right now we build more.

01:24:12.180 We fill them up.

01:24:13.060 We fill them up. 1.00

01:24:14.480 We need old Kamala back. 1.00

01:24:17.040 right old kamala was she was happy to put 1500 people in jail for just smoking weed not even 1.00

01:24:23.460 selling it and while her herself uh was smoking weed on the regular and then when questioned 1.00

01:24:28.940 about it did went into her typical uh kamala cackle laugh once that laugh gets out to the 1.00

01:24:34.940 public it's over for the campaign two to three on two to three of those which um even even by her 1.00

01:24:40.300 own side and they and they have hardly any standards and even then when they start to

01:24:45.340 the reason you know the reason why people thought that joe was great because um they just believe

01:24:50.400 the legacy media so as soon as she gets out there to the public and they have to see her like the

01:24:55.260 honeymoon is over it's gonna be terrible all right so anyway so that's where i'm at so i am

01:25:00.280 vantillian i am um a general equity theonomist what i mean by that is that um i think it's

01:25:05.980 perfectly compatible and i think it's not just compatible it is the confessional position both

01:25:10.100 for the 1689 and the Westminster,

01:25:12.500 I always emphasize general equity

01:25:14.560 because I don't necessarily want to refer to myself

01:25:17.480 as a reconstructionist.

01:25:19.620 Because I love, Rush Juni is my favorite.

01:25:22.720 Bonson would be right up there.

01:25:24.260 Gary North, appreciate him.

01:25:25.520 Not quite as much of a favorite,

01:25:27.760 primarily because Gary North started to take the ethics.

01:25:30.940 So Bonson, first he took Van Til

01:25:32.600 and applied it to the realm of apologetics.

01:25:34.080 Then he applied it to the realm of ethics.

01:25:36.160 And then Gary North started to apply it

01:25:37.380 to the realm of economics,

01:25:38.780 which does need to be done we do need a biblical application for uh economics but i i think that

01:25:44.940 um that you didn't just see uh gary north channeling his his inner uh theonomy but i

01:25:51.000 think also his inner boomer and so um and and so i you know i've just yeah so i i'm you know i'm

01:25:57.960 not going to say i'm a reconstructionist because i would have some differences uh with the

01:26:02.860 reconstructionist like i don't think that usury is uh moral the big premise of the reconstructionist

01:26:08.320 was that there's going to be some cataclysmic event

01:26:10.460 that's going to level the playing field, 0.98

01:26:12.940 and a Christian society should be reconstructed from it. 1.00

01:26:15.840 A lot of those guys were banking on Y2K. 0.99

01:26:18.080 I was about to say Y2K.

01:26:19.360 And it just never materialized, and I think we realized, 0.94

01:26:21.720 we're in for the long haul here.

01:26:23.280 There's not going to be some meteor Y2K that's going to set everything.

01:26:27.600 If there's another comment, Nate, you can scroll to it.

01:26:29.420 One more distinction on the Thomism piece.

01:26:31.200 So I think we would all reject,

01:26:32.760 especially Thomas' conception of nature grace.

01:26:34.980 That is to say, Adam in the garden was lacking.

01:26:38.400 He had a cupiscence and problems, and that even then he still needed what Thomas would

01:26:43.280 call a donum superaditum, that would be an infusion of grace, to raise him above nature.

01:26:47.740 We would all reject that in line.

01:26:49.340 This would probably be more bobbin than Van Til, that would say it's covenantal in that

01:26:53.140 Adam had an original righteousness.

01:26:54.740 So in the garden, Adam's nature did not need grace added to it to lift him up beyond his

01:26:59.800 natural impulses, his humanity, his limitations.

01:27:02.620 He had that in the form of an original righteousness that played out, would have buried him heaven.

01:27:07.700 And then as Christians, we receive grace not through the sacraments infusing grace to us and raising us up closer and closer to participate in the divine being.

01:27:16.600 We receive grace through union with Christ, through covenant.

01:27:20.040 So when we have union with Christ, it's that grace that forgives us of our sins, gives us the righteousness that we lack, that we lost in the fall of Adam.

01:27:27.800 instead of, again, a system where more sacraments, more grace,

01:27:32.280 pile up as much as you can, make purgatory as short as possible

01:27:34.700 to eventually get to the point where you share in the divine being,

01:27:37.200 overcome nature, its concupiscence, its limitations, all of that.

01:27:40.080 So I think I can speak for all three of us and say we would reject

01:27:42.360 that Thomistic conception of being and of grace

01:27:44.840 and affirm a Reformed, pretty more closely to Dutch Reformed,

01:27:49.040 Bavink and as well as Gahardes Vos.

01:27:51.840 Very well said. Way to go.

01:27:53.460 um and then van till correct me if i'm wrong but he he's directly down the stream from directly

01:27:59.520 yeah yeah and and he expands like bonson would be like you know van till's protege and van till was

01:28:06.100 the protege of voss yep exactly and and he expands definitely like you read voss and read him and

01:28:10.880 it's unfortunate that van till wasn't a better writer and that's some of the difficulties he'll

01:28:15.280 use terms and they'll just be they'll just be difficult to map to uh historical philosophical

01:28:21.380 terms because van tiller does a lot in philosophy so voss was the theologians theologian there at

01:28:26.340 princeton van tiller really takes and applies it to philosophy and then as you mentioned bonson

01:28:30.320 and others are taking it and applying to ethics and to god's law and society that's kind of the

01:28:34.800 the the development there right but big boving fans here yep right okay well um hopefully that's

01:28:42.460 was there one more question from i think joash was his name nate scroll up a little bit oh jonas

01:28:47.220 Jonas, generally speaking, in what situation should we reject natural means to any degree in order to hope and expect a miracle from God?

01:28:58.360 The reduction of Gideon's army.

01:29:00.580 Okay, generally speaking.

01:29:02.040 What is he asking?

01:29:03.020 He's saying, I think the problem in the question is Gideon didn't voluntarily reduce his army.

01:29:09.280 God told him to do that.

01:29:10.320 Right, okay.

01:29:11.100 Right?

01:29:11.600 And so...

01:29:12.180 Yeah, I preached on that recently.

01:29:14.080 Yeah, yeah.

01:29:14.940 Stop committing suicide.

01:29:16.160 Like, it would not be wrong for Gideon to have gone with the entire army into that battle, except that God intervened supernaturally and spoke to him and said, don't do it.

01:29:28.600 Right.

01:29:29.220 Right?

01:29:29.480 And so if God makes the conditions as such that it is obvious that he has set something up where, don't take me wrong, God is always sovereign behind everything that happens.

01:29:41.140 so even when you know a superior basketball team destroys an inferior basketball team god was still

01:29:47.260 sovereign over that victory nevertheless um it unless god sets up those conditions so that it

01:29:53.700 will be obvious to all it cannot be missed that god intervened like with gideon or like with

01:29:59.140 hezekiah and um the the assyrians um i don't think there's a reason to by default reject natural

01:30:08.240 means that god has given to us right i'm about to backstab everything i just said about thomas but

01:30:13.520 aristotle's four causes are helpful because there's the formal cause and the efficient cause

01:30:17.360 right so if i were to ask you michael yes or no right did gravity cause the collapse of the world

01:30:21.600 trade center right well you could say no and you could say yes it was technically the plane that

01:30:25.440 did it but gravity would have been the formal reason that objects fall when their structures

01:30:29.280 are destroyed so there's formal causes behind things but then the actual mechanism that they're

01:30:34.320 accomplished and so i think the question is on that efficient cause when is there a time to retire

01:30:39.220 that at least i would say uh almost never sometimes god will bypass the efficient cause say step to

01:30:45.100 the side i'm going to wipe them out myself right but typically ordinarily especially in the gospel

01:30:49.720 age he makes use of prayer preaching worship discipleship all of those different things as

01:30:55.960 efficient causes real people uh accomplishing real things doing like a lot of the people we've

01:31:01.100 lauded they studied for decades to do the work of exegesis to do political thinking those should

01:31:07.980 always be held in high regard business education discipleship personal growth high regard recognizing

01:31:14.900 underneath it all is god giving the increase building the house uh giving you the means the

01:31:20.260 gifts the equipment to make it happen so underneath that god but we have a responsibility to work

01:31:25.320 not dependent as if it's oh it comes back to me lose win lose or draw god ultimately is the one

01:31:30.460 who gives the increase gives the victory uh but we we labor like when we pray that kingdom come

01:31:34.840 we're expected to i think you've said this to me to then go and and bring the kingdom through

01:31:39.960 through striving dependence on grace yes but actually working towards thy kingdom come right

01:31:45.520 last thing i'll say on that is um i i think that you know a lot of times i think about how did

01:31:50.320 these things happen you know so like you know people ask the um the question about are you

01:31:55.080 tomistic or are you theonomic and you know and i answered the question by saying you know giving

01:31:59.520 people a um a reminder of how things went down over the last three years how things happened like

01:32:05.220 this is why theonomy started boom ticking up um and people were coming into that position you know

01:32:10.440 because they're like we need a standard right like think like tom askel was a part of this that by

01:32:15.720 what standard documentary right that founders did you know so like it was during a time there was

01:32:20.340 this huge up wave of theonomic thought because because relativism reigned the day right and and

01:32:26.160 so um it ruled the day and so everybody was thinking you know we need a standard and it

01:32:30.620 needs to be immutable it needs to be god's standard of course of course it does and so

01:32:33.960 um that's that's what was on the scene yeah um but then unfortunately a lot of the og theonomists

01:32:40.940 not the new theonomists who are persuaded you know like we need to you know we need to stand

01:32:46.400 up to the regime and to you know uh the branch covidians and all you know and lockdowns and

01:32:51.140 and this and that a lot of new guys came into theonomy and i was one of them but a lot of the

01:32:55.520 old guys right um are you know as committed as they are to the reconstructionists they are equally

01:33:01.380 if not more committed to the post-war consensus and being a boomer and everything that comes with

01:33:05.540 it um including economics and so um that's you know so as as time pans out you know we start to

01:33:11.980 see okay you know what's actually going on so let me give you you know one more answer in terms of

01:33:17.040 pragmatism i think that's part of what's going on this idea of you know uh natural means versus

01:33:22.120 you know supernatural you know so that god gets the glory and doing miracles um one of the things

01:33:28.840 again giving you guys a reminder of like where we've been recent history talking about the reformed

01:33:33.060 church and some of the things that happened that were big shaping things um the rise of seeker

01:33:39.080 sensitive churches bill hybels and and uh you know and stephen furtick and and the laser lights and

01:33:45.320 the fog machines and the you know and the 20 minute tech talks and the you know and the hill

01:33:50.240 song you know and and uh concerts you know the lights turned down and all this kind of stuff

01:33:54.800 so so then what happened within the reformed church um a full-on you know uh assault against

01:34:01.900 pragmatism but here's part of the problem i didn't realize it either i had to realize this in

01:34:07.240 hindsight because i was i hopped on that too and i was like yeah pragmatism pragmatism is from the

01:34:11.780 pit of hell and it's the worst you know and and but really what what we were saying is um we believe

01:34:18.300 that the bible and the reformed tradition church history supports the regular principle of worship

01:34:23.020 aka no pragmatism in lord's day worship in the sphere of the church um we don't worship according

01:34:31.260 to the devices and inventions and preferences of men right it's not about what you want in worship

01:34:36.840 it's about what god wants in worship we worship in spirit that is with zeal and holy affection

01:34:41.820 and passion but also in truth that is according to what god has prescribed in his word so no

01:34:48.780 pragmatism no human pragmatism well this will get seekers this will you know win converse this no

01:34:55.240 no no worship is not for man it's not for the goats that's for dang sure it's not for the goats

01:35:00.320 it's not actually even for the sheep right first and foremost it's for god worship is for god the

01:35:06.820 sheep are always blessed because god never receives our worship without also in his generosity and his

01:35:11.700 uh his merciful condescension also reaching out his hand and feeding his sheep um so so the sheep

01:35:17.960 do get blessed in worship but first and foremost that worship is for god so what the question is

01:35:23.220 not how do i want to worship or and it's certainly not how do non-christians want to worship the

01:35:27.800 answer to that is they don't they don't um but but how does god want to be worshiped so that's

01:35:32.580 what was going on it was a church conversation as a church was becoming more and more carnal

01:35:38.060 right this is in the paul washer days and shocking youth message and these kind of

01:35:42.480 right you have to remember where we came from guys remember the history i'm this is one of my

01:35:47.180 gifts is reminding people how we got here um this was the rise of secret sensitive mega church

01:35:52.420 the reformed church was a bulwark against it praise god and but one of the tactics that we

01:35:57.620 utilized was making a full uh full attack on pragmatism but then what happened though is that

01:36:04.040 that then became um we we did that generally without probably as much specific specification

01:36:10.100 as we should have had should have been more specific and so then it just became an overall

01:36:15.840 general demonization of pragmatism that pragmatism has always been uh but i i can't i can't drive to

01:36:23.100 my house without being pragmatic i can't i can't put on my shoes in the morning without being

01:36:29.000 pragmatic and you certainly are not going to change the country without being pragmatic

01:36:34.000 pragmatism is a way of life pragmatism is uh it is inescapable it is strategy that's all it is

01:36:42.140 it's being shrewd it's being strategic it's being thoughtful pragmatism is being intentional

01:36:46.680 intentional it's it's being practical um so no we don't want any pragmatic strategies for lord's

01:36:53.660 day worship in the sphere of the church to try to win non non-believers over no we don't we don't

01:36:59.340 want that um but yes we we are going to have pragmatic approaches um in the realm of politics

01:37:06.340 and in the realm of culture or even evangelism or even evangelism yep yep and so um outside as

01:37:12.280 an individual christian outside of the church institute especially the lord's day worship so

01:37:16.580 back to the gideon question of um uh no we we are not um we do not need to purity spiral we do not

01:37:24.180 need to self-sabotage we do not need to make it harder on the lord do not put the lord your god

01:37:29.460 to the test yeah it was only right that gideon's army was narrowed down whittled down to 300 because

01:37:35.140 the lord did it if gideon had done it it would have been sin yeah it would have been foolishness

01:37:39.980 it would have been putting the lord to the test um so yeah all right well thank you guys for

01:37:45.880 tuning in and we hope to see you again next week

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