The NXR Podcast - THE LIVESTREAM - RFK vs. Sick, Fat Americans

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00:00:26.800 In 1960, less than 5% of American children were obese.

00:00:32.220 Today, that number has quadrupled.

00:00:34.660 Autism, once diagnosed in one out of every 10,000 children, is now found in one out of

00:00:41.300 every 31 children.

00:00:43.420 And for the first time in modern history, our children are expected to live shorter

00:00:48.000 lives than their parents.

00:00:50.200 This isn't a mere health crisis.

00:00:52.860 It's a moral reckoning.

00:00:54.320 Earlier this month, the Department of Health and Human Services released a 69-page report under the direction of Robert F. Kennedy Jr. diagnosing the American child health epidemic as a symptom of environmental toxins, poor nutrition, chronic stress, and what he calls over-medicalization, and said that America is literally the sickest country in the world.

00:01:23.780 Close quote. Critics from legacy media were quick to dismiss the report, some for its skepticism

00:01:31.920 toward the pharmaceutical industry, others for its emphasis on personal responsibility

00:01:37.840 over systematic reform. But even the loudest detractors had to confront the numbers,

00:01:44.920 skyrocketing rates of cancer, obesity, ADHD, and mental illness in a nation that spends more on

00:01:52.960 health care than any other civilization in history. So here's the truth. We are not simply

00:01:59.760 failing to treat disease. We are cultivating it. And the national debt that we should be most

00:02:07.020 concerned with isn't fiscal, but moral. A debt owed to our children for the bodies that we've

00:02:15.060 poisoned, the minds that we've dulled, and the institutions we've trusted to care for them.

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00:02:41.640 right response ministries.com forward slash donate. So what now? What does Christian

00:02:48.860 responsibility look like in the face of a national health crisis, one that implicates not just

00:02:56.460 bureaucrats and corporations, but the way we shop, eat, parent, and medicate. Let's dive in.

00:03:04.780 all right all right all right here we are uh michael you've outlined this episode for us

00:03:19.880 on the health crisis that's currently underway in our nation particularly as it applies to

00:03:25.620 our children so do you want to go ahead and lead us off i know that you've got a lot of research

00:03:29.440 and stats that you want to get to and i think that this is one that uh the listeners um will

00:03:35.180 be very eager to hear yeah so the goal with this episode we have talked about health crisis in

00:03:40.700 america and how we're fat and lazy and healthy before um so this episode is a little bit different

00:03:46.640 in that just last week rfk and the hhs released what they call their diagnosis of the state of

00:03:53.120 health particularly among uh children in america and then he said within three months they'll be

00:03:58.820 releasing their prescription. So this was just, this is how bad things are. And then they're

00:04:03.320 working on plans and proposals and things like that, that they can put forward, um, to help

00:04:09.460 fix the problem. But, uh, last week was just the 69 pages of, um, this is the situation and spoiler

00:04:17.080 alert, we're fat and sick as a nation. I've been to Walmart recently. I know. Yeah. What's that?

00:04:23.280 Oh yeah. Exactly. So the other thing that I'm hoping will be a little bit different with this

00:04:27.940 episode is I took the time to break out, like, what would it look like for an average budget

00:04:34.840 to make this change or that change, right? So if some of these numbers alarm you, or if you and

00:04:40.880 your family have been thinking about trying to make some changes, I tried to give some real

00:04:44.320 practical, like, this is how much this costs, this is how much this kind of food costs, this is what

00:04:48.560 it would look like to make this change. And so beyond just speaking in the abstract, trying to

00:04:54.200 help give the listener a real practical idea of what some of these changes might require for your

00:05:01.160 family, for your budget, for your time, things like that. So we do want to go ahead and jump

00:05:07.880 into a little bit of the background and the report. So Nate, if you've got those slides that

00:05:12.700 I sent you, the ones that I formatted for you, I'm just going to kind of go through those one at a

00:05:17.500 time here at the beginning. Okay, so this is according to the report from the HHS and RFK

00:05:24.500 Jr., the causes of illness in the U.S. Number one, poor diet driven primarily by ultra-processed

00:05:31.600 foods. And I think that this is the one where almost nobody can argue with this. He had a great

00:05:38.040 one-liner. Someone was interviewing him, and they said, how are you so sure that we're the sickest 0.93

00:05:44.700 country in the world or something like that he said just look at us look at our children

00:05:49.020 it's like can't argue with that um let me expand on ultra processed foods for just a second that's

00:05:55.140 if you think of your nutrition label obviously there's individual ingredients that go into there

00:05:58.820 but i really can't think of a good nutritional food that's going to have a super long list so

00:06:04.360 of course maybe you've got bread you've got a couple things in there but when we say ultra

00:06:07.340 processed what we literally mean is just there's more and more and more things being added to it

00:06:11.600 A good example is things that are added to help preserve shelf stability.

00:06:15.040 This means you can make more of it and it lasts longer.

00:06:17.200 But that's more ingredients to add.

00:06:18.600 They're not healthy towards you.

00:06:19.860 It expands that nutrition label.

00:06:21.860 And so when you're thinking what's ultra-processed, for sure there's ingredients which you're going to get into.

00:06:26.200 But also it's just how much stuff is in there, trying to make sure it lasts as long as possible.

00:06:30.560 It has the most calories.

00:06:31.700 It's the most literally even stimulating.

00:06:33.680 That's what you're thinking of.

00:06:34.540 Yeah, and that's usually like an 8.

00:06:36.580 If it ends in an H, A-T-E, glycerate, or things like that, that's usually there.

00:06:42.000 Can you pronounce it?

00:06:42.920 Does it make sense?

00:06:43.800 Can you pronounce it?

00:06:44.160 Like wheat, sugar, you know, coconut oil.

00:06:47.060 Okay, that sounds good.

00:06:48.320 Those things, you start getting it, you know, dyes, like red six.

00:06:52.700 What does that even mean?

00:06:53.540 What is that even from? 0.88

00:06:54.440 Red six, yeah.

00:06:54.900 You know, artificial flavors.

00:06:56.280 It won't even expand on what that is.

00:06:57.660 That's where the caution bells need to go off.

00:06:59.200 Funny story about that.

00:07:00.160 We went camping once, and we left our food out, which we always put the food away in the Northwest.

00:07:05.000 but one night we'd never had problems with bears we'd been to this campsite many times

00:07:08.220 one night we were up late and we were just like we're literally going to be waking up in four

00:07:12.460 hours when the sun comes up we're just going to leave it out so in those four hours while we were

00:07:15.900 sleeping bears did come through our campsite and they got into all the food and you know the only

00:07:21.560 thing they left completely untouched the grass-fed beef the bag of marshmallows they're like that is

00:07:29.260 not even worthy to be put in our mouths so right it's true yeah okay so that was number one number

00:07:34.680 two is cumulative exposure to chemicals like food additives and pesticides and i i think we've

00:07:40.700 mentioned this before it bears repeating again this was really startling to me uh pests are

00:07:46.080 obviously a problem when it comes to producing food and farming right you've got bugs and things

00:07:50.660 like that they come and eat the crops and so they've companies have developed uh products

00:07:57.080 chemical products to kill those bugs well pre-60s what they would do is they would spray this

00:08:04.160 pesticide on the crop just as it was coming up right kill all the bugs around it and then even

00:08:09.700 though it was there and it was in the soil which isn't great it would the rain would wash it off

00:08:15.040 of all of the products all of the all of the uh vegetables that were growing in the wheat and the

00:08:20.260 grain that was growing well they discovered and west so much of this comes down to what you said

00:08:24.820 a moment ago the the chemicals that they put in our food are to preserve it so it can sit on the

00:08:28.580 shelf longer what the what the farmers discovered was that if they sprayed this product on their

00:08:34.560 grain for instance it would keep it from rotting and so they could harvest it and they didn't have

00:08:41.300 to be so quick about getting it to the mill or grinding it right away into flour which is easier

00:08:46.600 to preserve and so the policy began to be and now is very common that they now spray pesticides all

00:08:54.920 through the process and right before harvest and then it never and then that keeps it from rotting

00:09:01.020 or or um kind of going bad while it sits out in the fields waiting to be bundled up and it never

00:09:05.320 gets rinsed off and then that goes and gets ground um into the flour um or the corn or whatever it

00:09:12.580 is and and we're we're eating uh these foods now that have never been rinsed off of all of these

00:09:18.280 chemicals right and this is actually now standard in many many farming practices around the country

00:09:23.900 The reason they won't rot is because bacteria literally won't grow on them.

00:09:27.920 That's right.

00:09:28.280 And I know with corn, corn is the big one, it desiccates it when you do it at the very end.

00:09:32.640 And so the big one you're thinking about is glyphosate.

00:09:34.780 There's a great book called Toxic Legacy.

00:09:37.120 Toxic Legacy is the book if you want to read more about this.

00:09:39.780 There's been tons of lawsuits, tons of people saying like, hey, this stuff is super toxic.

00:09:43.400 It's destructive.

00:09:44.360 Like you said, Michael, you're not just applying it at the beginning as a pre-emergent, but through T6, T8.

00:09:49.300 These are the different stages of corn growth.

00:09:51.320 And it's a huge problem because like high fructose corn syrup, well, it's corn syrup.

00:09:56.160 It's deriving some of that sweetness from corn.

00:09:58.540 And this is corn that has been doused in these pesticides and glyphosate.

00:10:02.380 And then it's pumped right into your kids.

00:10:03.940 It's your kid's cereal, pumped right into your sugary drinks because it's a very cheap

00:10:07.360 way of getting sugar.

00:10:08.900 And so pesticides, read that book, look at other books.

00:10:12.040 That's why organic matters so much is because organic food is food that at least hypothetically,

00:10:17.000 a lot of times sometimes there's cross pollination or it's planted in the same ground as not

00:10:20.800 organic crops but generally speaking organic food will be food that's grown without the use of these

00:10:25.900 toxic pesticides and the glyphosate in particular now we don't trust the world health organization

00:10:31.380 as far as we can throw them right especially after covid but even they have come out and said

00:10:36.180 internationally that glyphosate is terrible for you and this is roundup like if you go to the

00:10:41.640 store and buy roundup this is this terrible stuff and people put it in their lawns so then their

00:10:46.520 kids go out, they walk all through it. Your lawn looks great. Sure. It's on their feet. They track

00:10:51.040 it inside. They touch their hands and they're literally ingesting it. This stuff is tied to

00:10:54.820 cancer. This stuff is tied to neural developmental disorders, all sorts of terrible things. And so

00:10:59.580 think glyphosate, think Roundup, think all of these different categories. And you think of

00:11:03.020 these toxic pesticides that are really, really, really negatively impacting our children,

00:11:07.520 especially. Yeah. The third one was over medicalization. I'm sorry. That's number four.

00:11:12.180 Third one is lack of physical activity and chronic stress. And then fourth one over

00:11:15.980 medicalization which we're going to get to um in a moment not not even just the vaccines we prescribe

00:11:21.480 um a lot of medications here um not the most of any world of any country in the world but we

00:11:26.780 over prescribe a lot of medications here yes especially what we're going to get into the

00:11:31.420 antipsychotics and the antidepressants right that is really really terrible what's going on okay

00:11:36.760 let's go to the next slide um so this is just some stats about our health as compared to the past

00:11:43.920 uh currently this is in the report over 40 percent of american children now have at least

00:11:49.660 one chronic health condition such as asthma allergies obesity autoimmune diseases or

00:11:54.440 behavioral disorders 40 almost half of american kids have some sort of chronic health condition

00:11:59.820 that's going to make it difficult for them to grow healthy in the way that they should

00:12:03.980 in the 1960s i think we said this in the cold open less than five percent of children were

00:12:08.780 obese. Now we're over 20%. Autism diagnoses have increased from 1 in 10,000 to 1 in 30 today.

00:12:16.120 And in California, RFK said where they actually track this better than any other state,

00:12:20.280 they're reporting 1 in 20, which is absolutely crazy. And then childhood cancer rates have

00:12:26.540 increased by nearly 50% since 1975. With the cancer too, we've talked about this. Cancer is a

00:12:32.660 genetic malfunction that stops suppressing uncontrolled growth. So this is P53, and that's

00:12:38.320 typically brought on by oxidative stress and so when you hear children are getting cancer more

00:12:42.920 you know it's very tempting to be like well it's the sugar well it's the sunshine or well it's the

00:12:47.400 sunscreen like there's a whole host of things you could attribute it to but really what all of them

00:12:51.220 are doing regardless if it's a specific ingredient or substance or whatever it is is they're inducing

00:12:55.840 oxidative stress that's causing dna damage that's leading to the inability of the body to suppress

00:13:02.000 the tumors when they start to grow right that's what you got to be thinking about it's not a

00:13:05.260 single ingredient or a thing we're doing an entire host of inputs are destroying kids dna as they're

00:13:12.120 growing and then the dna is unable to produce everything that helps suppress cancer before it

00:13:17.020 grows and becomes a problem west you tell me if you agree with this we're probably not going to

00:13:21.300 find a single bullet this is the thing that's causing cancer because like you say um a lot of

00:13:28.060 the cell irregularities that happen that leads to tumors if your body is healthy you can actually

00:13:32.620 fight against that exactly it's when you subdue or suppress the immune system so far and are

00:13:39.500 introducing things into the body that cause it to replicate its cells incorrectly that um we're

00:13:46.080 going to see a really steep increase in the rise of cancer rates yep and chance is part of it there

00:13:51.760 are people that smoke a pack of cigarettes a day yeah and they live into their 90s like practically

00:13:55.960 speaking they just and it's not just like well he was resilient or ate his broccoli like practically

00:14:00.560 speaking, chances play a part of it, but you can increase your chances of getting it by your

00:14:05.200 lifestyle or decrease in the same way by reducing your intake. Again, not of a single ingredient or

00:14:10.280 factor, but a host of different things. Because these ingredients, again, correct me if I'm wrong,

00:14:14.980 but my understanding is they make it more likely that your cell will mutate. Exactly. There's not

00:14:21.100 a guarantee that it will, yes. By those reactive oxygen species that are damaging. Yeah. Okay,

00:14:26.380 good uh let's go back to the slide um let's go to the next one actually sorry nate uh so continuing

00:14:33.660 on this the stats about our health currently so some of the mental health issues here teenage

00:14:38.460 depression nearly doubled from 2009 to 19 that's a little bit older um part of it i don't know

00:14:45.180 anyway between 1987 and 2014 antidepressant prescriptions for children this is the one

00:14:50.840 have increased by not 140, not 4%, 1,400%.

00:14:57.500 14X.

00:14:58.780 Yeah, 14, yeah.

00:15:00.020 And then ADHD prescriptions through 2016 are up 250%.

00:15:05.320 Yeah, part of this, I feel like,

00:15:07.460 this to me seems multifaceted.

00:15:09.560 Part of it would have to do with nutrition and food

00:15:11.660 and pesticides and all those different things

00:15:14.260 as it affects someone's biology.

00:15:17.200 But then I think there's also the mental capacity

00:15:19.180 of uh screens yep i think is a big factor social media uh too much television just constantly

00:15:26.100 connected to a screen um and looking at the lives of others on the other side of the planet and

00:15:30.980 feeling the sense of longing and you know why isn't you know my life better you know comparing

00:15:36.500 yourself to everybody else and and just you know not going outside not getting sunlight not being

00:15:41.500 active not having in in person you know blood and flesh relationships and then you know i feel like

00:15:47.620 at least a third factor would have to do with um the lack of parental discipline and training

00:15:53.920 and admonishment so if you have you know absent parents that they may they may be present but

00:15:59.880 still they're largely absent if you compare that to generations past you know by the mere fact of

00:16:06.740 you know sending kids to state school um and then some kind of after school program because you know

00:16:12.580 even when they finish school you still need to buy yourself a couple more hours because you know

00:16:16.840 both mom and dad are working and not going to be home until five o'clock or six o'clock or you know

00:16:21.900 something like that so you're spending very little time with the parents the parents

00:16:25.360 are not actually responsible you know not taking up that responsibility to teach and train their

00:16:31.960 children and discipline when necessary and then you have you know all the dietary problems when

00:16:37.880 you know in different toxic sludge that they're eating and then you know and then they're also

00:16:43.880 being raised by the television and social media and you have kids that are 10 years old with an

00:16:48.820 iphone and complete access with zero restrictions to the internet um and that that's just a recipe

00:16:55.000 for disaster absolutely on that screen time piece too i would say it's the dopamine system in the

00:17:00.460 brain it's what drives us towards reward behavior so this would be things like sex within marriage

00:17:06.400 obviously but also food even work so payoff when there's accomplishment for men dopamine is tied

00:17:12.340 to testosterone. So men that have dopamine from winning, then also have higher testosterone.

00:17:17.440 So it's a reward system system that's God made and is intended to drive us towards beneficial

00:17:22.040 behaviors. But the way screen shortcut that is you get smaller. So it's much smaller than,

00:17:27.240 for example, winning an event that you trained really hard for, or the payoff of having an

00:17:31.320 absolutely delicious meal. It's a smaller payoff, but it can be accessed at any time.

00:17:36.000 Anytime you open a mobile game, for instance, there's tons of sounds and lights and colors

00:17:40.100 and rewards and everything that are literally meant to hijack and give you the rewards but

00:17:44.680 it's at like at your fingertips and instead of i have to labor for x y and z amount of time to get

00:17:50.140 this payoff well you could literally do it again and again daily and you you have kids that just

00:17:55.760 it's short-circuited they have no concept of putting in a lot of work in a long time for a

00:18:00.240 bigger payoff because they have literally been offered and handed something that's hyper stimulating

00:18:04.960 hyper rewarding right but it dulls them the little doses here and there absolutely dull them

00:18:10.280 to the way it's actually supposed to function around much more major life events yes um okay

00:18:15.740 let's talk about some of the cost here uh of being sick so nate this is going to be just the very

00:18:21.000 next slide so this these numbers are are really crazy the u.s so this is not the government this

00:18:28.640 is um the i believe the government and citizens um the u.s spends 4.5 trillion on health healthcare

00:18:37.020 per year and yet we're literally the sickest country in the world i mean four point you think

00:18:41.920 about 4.5 trillion between the the the consumers the patients the government all the programs

00:18:49.280 4.5 trillion dollars a year spent on quote-unquote health care to get us you would think if we're

00:18:54.600 spending that much money on it we would be living to be like 180 years old or something like that

00:18:58.900 but no we're literally the sickest country in the world um diabetes one in three kids is now

00:19:04.340 diabetic or pre-diabetic diabetes is now costing the u.s a trillion dollars per year so that 4.5 0.80

00:19:10.180 1 trillion i think that's really bad in the black community to a lot of diabetes very high

00:19:14.460 yep yep um when when gfk was president um this was from a quote from rfk so when he said my

00:19:21.480 uncle was president um the u.s government spent zero so of the of the u.s government's budget

00:19:27.420 zero dollars were for its citizens chronic health diseases it doesn't mean there weren't

00:19:32.300 chronic health diseases it means that the government was not the one paying for those

00:19:36.440 things does that include like disability and things like that like medicaid no uh yes would

00:19:41.460 it now include those oh yes now yes now it spends 1.7 trillion so of the 1.9 trillion dollars that

00:19:48.860 the u.s government spends on health care 1.7 of that is chronic conditions so these are long-term

00:19:56.860 diabetes treatment or disability things like that currently the in 2024 the u.s spent one the

00:20:04.520 government spent 1.9 trillion on health care it was 27 percent of the national budget and that's

00:20:10.480 also the single largest category of government spending so this including medicare medicaid

00:20:15.160 all of that so almost a third well just over a quarter of our entire budget is spent on

00:20:23.280 health care right now it costs less to equip the world's greatest military the largest the

00:20:29.160 biggest the best trained yep it costs less to do that than to manage the health problems of

00:20:33.760 americans at just a government level yeah wow yeah okay um nate let's go one more

00:20:38.760 i'm sorry i want to mention one other thing before we get there

00:20:43.420 um i did a little bit of additional research this morning um right now um the united states

00:20:52.240 accounts for approximately 40 to 50 percent of global pharmaceutical profits

00:20:58.620 so of all the money that the pharmaceutical companies are making

00:21:03.840 they're making 40 to 50 percent of their money with u.s markets

00:21:08.600 part of that is the lobbying that we allow in the united states go ahead we're spending so

00:21:16.120 much more than all the other nations in the world on pharmaceutical products but

00:21:19.500 um did you look into it all in terms of like i know you can see nations you know average iq you

00:21:26.220 can also see their average lifespan um it'd be one thing if we're spending more than all these

00:21:31.460 other nations but you know on average americans are living 20 years longer than everybody no we're

00:21:37.160 we're not at all we did this we did look that up um in one of our previous episodes that we did

00:21:41.780 about health we did have the the breakout i think we're maybe around 11th or 12th in the world um

00:21:49.060 but it's been dropping steeply it used to be the highest well i don't think it was ever the highest

00:21:53.340 you've got like the the norwegians and the did mark yeah but it's been dropping quite a bit

00:21:59.560 it's been dropping quite a bit yeah i think japan's also japan is very high yeah yeah i think

00:22:04.760 yeah i'm about to pull the rank list okay when you get it interrupt me um but part of the problems

00:22:11.000 are marketing or our lobbying that we allow so we allow pharmaceutical pharmaceutical companies

00:22:15.860 to lobby politicians directly it's not just that we allow them to write to write letters we allow

00:22:20.680 them to run their own packs and super packs we allow them to um serve as not just advisory roles

00:22:29.240 but to actually co-write legislation,

00:22:32.840 which means they're writing legislation

00:22:34.340 and finding a politician who will put it into Congress, right?

00:22:38.280 We think that your congressman's writing the legislation.

00:22:40.620 No, a lot of legislation is being written by lobbyists.

00:22:44.060 And so this is different than what a lot of other countries do.

00:22:46.820 A lot of other countries either don't allow pharmaceutical companies

00:22:49.480 to lobby the government, or it's heavily restricted.

00:22:52.060 It's only advisory.

00:22:53.160 They can have no role in writing legislation,

00:22:55.600 and they can't operate what we would call,

00:22:57.920 they wouldn't necessarily call them,

00:22:59.040 but what we would call PACs and super PACs 0.99

00:23:01.020 to put that kind of pressure on politicians.

00:23:03.320 And so it's no wonder that most of the medical legislation

00:23:07.640 that comes through Congress makes it harder to get generic drugs,

00:23:11.600 makes it faster for pharmaceutical companies

00:23:13.880 to get their products through and approved,

00:23:16.940 and basically makes it so that the U.S. is this huge cash cow

00:23:20.240 for pharmaceutical companies.

00:23:22.960 So that is very different than a lot of other countries.

00:23:26.640 The medical advertising on TV is very different in the U.S. as well.

00:23:30.960 Most other countries do not permit this at all.

00:23:34.000 I literally worked in this industry for about two years.

00:23:36.400 So that field that navigates the transition from making the product and it being approved actually on the market is called health economics outcomes research.

00:23:44.300 What the U.S. does different than a lot of these other countries.

00:23:47.100 And when I was younger, I think I would have celebrated it.

00:23:49.400 But now I would say my view is definitely more complex.

00:23:51.760 A lot of other countries have what are called HTA agencies.

00:23:54.200 so there's a health technology assessment agencies and they go through and they're centralized and

00:23:58.760 they actually say this is the amount we're paying for the drug we've gone through the safety we've

00:24:02.460 gone through its efficacy we've gone through its use we've looked at how many people in our country

00:24:06.440 actually have this disease so i mean there's some countries we're like guys we're so small we're

00:24:10.140 literally talking about five people right sometimes they'll pay whatever price but the u.s doesn't

00:24:14.300 have that kind of centralized it kind of goes down to the state and then privatized at the insurer

00:24:18.400 level and this is one of the advantages of i think of places like norway that are obviously smaller

00:24:23.340 being centralized the government can then say I know you want to sell your drug for $80,000 per

00:24:28.420 dose here but we've looked at it it's not that effective it's not that healthy we're going to

00:24:32.520 pay you a max of this now anyone who needs it certainly they can travel out of the country

00:24:36.320 that's literally one of the big reasons we just don't have a centralized HTA health technology

00:24:41.680 assessment process whereas almost every country from Canada from northern Europe from even some

00:24:47.060 of these developing nations in the east they have something like that and they rigorously look at

00:24:51.060 they're central and they say we're not paying that much or here's the max amount that we'll pay

00:24:55.680 i would imagine that to get something like that put in place it would require an act of congress

00:24:59.260 absolutely that is heavily controlled by the pharmaceutical lobby so chances of something

00:25:03.700 like that happening that have a lot of money because we've let them operate how they've

00:25:07.100 operated yeah right i want to show one other thing before we go to our first break and i'm

00:25:10.500 not going to read through all of this but nathan if you have the timeline um so this is just kind

00:25:15.460 of a timeline you could freeze frame this or pause it if you wanted to get an idea of just

00:25:19.400 basically with nutrition how the process has gone and some of the big ones are um the u.s

00:25:24.860 government starting to introduce dietary guidelines and lunch program guidelines um but a lot of those

00:25:30.500 were heavily in the um don't eat the saturated fats eat the seed oils eat the grains things like

00:25:38.040 that um wes i remember from you i heard that mcdonald's up until the 90s used to fry all of

00:25:42.820 french fries in beef time right it was a huge campaign uh phil sokoloff had a huge campaign

00:25:49.080 against they're called tropical oils like your palm oil and your coconut oil which are really

00:25:53.320 good for you and he also advocated for skim milk and he's also jewish right i'm not even kidding

00:25:59.420 you the guy who got tallow out of mcdonald's for frying is uh there we go jewish which you know

00:26:05.100 it's crazy because david the psalms are full of like you are better to me than than marrow and 0.76

00:26:09.800 fatness and you know like you would think that anyway right but it's the cream of milk yeah

00:26:13.940 yeah is it cheaper it's cheaper oh yeah of course of course yeah okay let's hit our first commercial

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00:28:51.740 free bag of coffee today all right welcome back we are um picking up the conversation here where

00:29:01.040 we left off. And just to summarize that, we're extremely, extremely sick. It's not just that we

00:29:07.540 are like unhealthy, right? There's kind of an unhealthy where you just are kind of, you sit

00:29:15.320 around on the couch all day and things like that. We are sick as a nation. We are actually sick. We

00:29:19.380 have chronic diseases. We have diseases that we don't know about. We have diseases that are being

00:29:24.040 called, you know, good. And what's worse is most of the people who recognize that they are sick

00:29:30.740 and are unhealthy um you know if you're fat what do you do now you take an injection um to to curb

00:29:37.800 your appetite or to get rid of your weight problem what's that pill or injection xempic was the one

00:29:43.620 that's ruining people's eyes but now there's an injection one that i forget it's it's all the rage

00:29:47.740 right now um and if you do go to a doctor and i thought it was interesting that one of the

00:29:54.240 recommendations was ask your doctor about root causes not just about your symptoms uh like my

00:30:00.540 wife has been in the medical field for a long time and it just drives her crazy that all doctors

00:30:05.620 not i'm not gonna primarily most doctors are interested in just treating a symptom right and

00:30:12.020 when you talk about well what's the root cause on my body level that's causing this it's like i

00:30:16.120 don't know you just have high blood pressure take this pill yeah well why do i have high blood

00:30:19.300 well walk you know walk 10 000 steps a day okay you know so we are sick as a nation which is bad

00:30:28.640 enough but also we are we are doing very little to treat the root causes of our sicknesses right

00:30:34.220 well i would imagine that's probably not a good business plan nope not a good business plan like

00:30:39.880 if you actually get to root causes and you actually fix the problem instead of simply

00:30:43.920 because if you're addressing the symptoms then you're able to sell a product indefinitely

00:30:48.940 to the same you know to the same market again and again and again you have a lifelong customer yes

00:30:54.420 yes i should have run these numbers but it'd be really fascinating to know the increase

00:31:00.220 in size like per capita of the health care industry um over the decades of the u.s i mean

00:31:06.420 used to be a town would have a doctor and he would go there with his little bag right and uh you know

00:31:11.960 that that was your your health care system right we've said it before but the love of money is the

00:31:17.660 root not of all evil but of all kinds of evil yeah all types of evil all varieties including well

00:31:24.520 we'll give you a pill because that gives us more kickback we'll get your child vaccinated because

00:31:28.860 that gives us more kickback we're going to grow this we're going to do so many things and what

00:31:32.260 is it for so people will be healthier thrive uh nope so we make more money and it's it's related

00:31:38.480 to the love of money but in a different way rush duny said that one of the big changes that happened

00:31:42.660 was that doctors started being sued and so the idea of the single doctor in the village was no

00:31:47.300 longer an option because he couldn't defend himself from lawsuits and so large hospital

00:31:53.120 organizations had to form and they had to have huge legal teams and they had to have teams that

00:31:58.640 reviewed processes so they could say hey we followed this process and then the government

00:32:02.460 had to release protocols and the hospitals had to ensure they were in a line and all of that

00:32:06.460 well a lot of that was so that they wouldn't get sued into non-existence anymore and so a lot of

00:32:12.600 the healthcare industry is simply compliance and um what can we do to make sure we don't get sued

00:32:18.940 what can we do to make as much money as we can and what can we make sure we don't lose that money

00:32:22.980 right by being sued as much as possible in as little as possible going out yes i swear when

00:32:27.860 they're bidding for like uh like sheets or bed spread at the hospital they're like get like we

00:32:32.620 want the most threadbare i need you to find the ugliest possible pattern that you can yeah oh it

00:32:38.420 looks good it's warm out out we need nasty threadbare sheets yeah to save money i don't

00:32:44.320 know if that's really why but it seems like yeah the sheets are like plastic yeah well

00:32:47.940 it might have something to do with what they have to clean off of it too yeah that's probably true

00:32:52.380 but um okay so here are some i'm going to go through just four recommendations west feel

00:32:58.400 free to interrupt and then i want to go back and go through them um just for the record real quick

00:33:02.200 one of these days we're going to have to do an episode on capitalism um because i think like as

00:33:07.700 you were talking about, you know, private individual doctors being sued. And so then

00:33:12.420 teaming up with conglomerations, you know, and all these kinds of things, because they want to

00:33:16.860 make money, keep money, you know, and defend against being sued for money. There are, and it's

00:33:24.160 not to say that, you know, like that, okay, so this other system is there for the answer. There

00:33:28.960 are massive problems, you know, with multiple systems of money and, you know, systems, you know,

00:33:35.780 economic systems but i do think that um you know we're like well i'm american you know america baby

00:33:41.420 and um and we think that you know capitalism can't have any problems at all and and that's something

00:33:46.840 that like i didn't really i don't think i ever had to think about until i was older and not just

00:33:53.120 because of age and maybe maturing but um older in the sense of just the world and and its innovation

00:33:59.260 and the ways that things have developed like i think of the 2020 election what do you do

00:34:04.700 when you know like a handful of individuals i mean you could write their names down on a napkin

00:34:10.160 actually collectively they control every single platform for free speech and so if they decide

00:34:16.740 together that the hunter biden laptop story is just not going to be available then poof it

00:34:23.500 disappears and there are many people who said that that actually would have swayed their vote

00:34:27.000 Perhaps it could have swayed an entire election, you know, and then all the consequences over the next four years and how that affected, you know, people thrown in prison for praying outside of abortion clinics or 13, you know, U.S. service members dying in Afghanistan and the disaster that that turned out to be.

00:34:43.380 So there's all these consequences that happen, you know, as, you know, the implications for elections and then elections themselves can be virtually determined, if not outright dictated by the suppression of certain stories.

00:35:01.720 and and to be one thing if you know the public square was you know like there was a time where

00:35:06.640 it's just it's flesh and blood it's the public square is like literally going into the town

00:35:11.580 square and raising your voice and sitting at this meeting and it's available to anyone but

00:35:15.900 like what do you it's like well build you know and this is the rhetoric that people will you know

00:35:20.220 conservatives should build their own platform you know whatever and it's and then some guys do and

00:35:24.840 then it gets shut down they're like well build your own servers and then some guys do and they

00:35:28.640 get raided by fbi you know and like right so like what like what do you do when the means

00:35:33.600 of speech for your voice to actually be heard um is um not just controlled but first and foremost

00:35:41.280 from an economic standpoint monopolized right like what do you do when there's a monopoly

00:35:46.520 on on the the very platform for free speech and i think what we've seen is that the government

00:35:55.000 has to step in and i know that that offends our you know our american sensibilities but i think

00:36:01.020 there are certain things that um the founders as much as i appreciate them and i appreciate them

00:36:06.600 as much as the next guy there's so many things that we need to return to the founders that they

00:36:11.260 had right and we've gotten wrong but then there's a few things it's not even that they got it wrong

00:36:15.440 so much as they just probably couldn't conceive you know like like it's it's just impossible to

00:36:21.240 conceive that you know 250 years later that there's going to be the internet and then

00:36:27.340 artificial intelligence you know and social media and twitter you know and like i mean how do you

00:36:33.820 how do you predict some of these things i just i don't think you you do and so that's why like

00:36:38.360 we've done episodes you know in a general sense not specifically on economics but in a general

00:36:44.080 sense related to the state and and we've made the argument that seems counterintuitive for most you

00:36:50.220 conservatives but we've made the argument that yes we believe the state should be smaller in

00:36:55.820 some regards but there's other there's other ways in which the state should probably be larger i

00:37:01.320 remember arguing with my brother uh one of my brothers uh was you know like a self-described

00:37:08.020 marxist um but don't worry if that if that concerns you he now would uh describe himself

00:37:13.480 as a communist so he's moving in the right direction yeah uh so he's a communist and uh

00:37:18.760 And he would probably say his older brother is a fascist, you know, which means that we are arch enemies.

00:37:24.760 I love him and care about him.

00:37:26.820 He's my brother.

00:37:27.660 I've met him.

00:37:27.860 He's a good dude.

00:37:28.360 He's a good dude.

00:37:29.080 He is.

00:37:29.740 But he's terribly, terribly wrong, you know, with some things.

00:37:35.000 And so much of it is just shaped by your life.

00:37:37.800 Like he has, you know, he has his PhD and, I mean, spent most of his life in school.

00:37:41.920 and so he thinks like man if we had universal income um then everybody would be you know uh 0.88

00:37:47.960 turn out to be a mozart you know and it's like because he's like everyone that's what welfare

00:37:51.460 has done right exactly well see that's the thing is everyone he's surrounded by he's like you know 0.55

00:37:56.140 it's not fair that we're having to work our butts off you know at a restaurant or whatever as and

00:38:01.020 you know like we're clocking in like 80 90 hour weeks you know to get our education and do all

00:38:06.000 these uh free internships while also paying the bills and in his mind he's thinking like if we

00:38:10.720 didn't have to worry about this uh then we would be solving you know mathematical problems and

00:38:16.220 getting us to mars and do and and here's the deal um him and some of his friends probably would yeah

00:38:21.260 the problem is i would like for him just you know like before you make that deliberation

00:38:26.420 why don't you spend like you know 10 years in atlanta did you see that you know that thing and

00:38:32.040 then you know start to think about that i it was in a city in los angeles i think where this guy

00:38:35.980 had proposed these mobile tiny homes that could be parked in the parallel parking spots right

00:38:40.840 did you see this it was on the news um and so they go in there and they're showing it oh yeah

00:38:46.480 and the guy pulls down the desk and he goes meth lab well no no no no it's clean it's it's a

00:38:51.620 prototype oh it's a prototype so they're they're saying how great this would be and it's this tiny

00:38:55.580 little camper you can't stand up in it you just sit in it but it takes up one parallel parking

00:38:59.240 spot right and it's to be home uh housing for the homeless for the homeless and he pulls down the

00:39:04.020 the desk that pulls out of the wall he goes in here that the the formerly homeless can sit and

00:39:08.560 they can do their art and i'm like they can what they can sit and do their art i think michael

00:39:14.300 knowles actually addressed this no no yeah i think it was matt walsh but he said that um i think he

00:39:20.640 said they implemented it oh really and um and and they start you know yeah and basically like uh

00:39:26.760 what they had was you know because they didn't have bathrooms i think in it and so but there

00:39:30.100 was like a public restroom that they established that everyone could use and everybody was

00:39:34.340 defecating on in the the street you know um and they asked them like why like it's literally like

00:39:40.800 50 feet yeah like if you could just and uh and they but they literally did not have the degree

00:39:47.380 of ambition necessary to travel the extra 50 feet and and basically just saying that it's it's a

00:39:53.520 state of mind it's not uh oh these are people who are down on their luck like it's america we're

00:39:57.760 talking about america like um nobody is is poor in america um unless um you choose to be yeah you

00:40:05.380 choose being homeless is a choice in most cases there may be some exceptions but they are few and

00:40:11.300 far between so it's poverty by choice um because of abdicating responsibility or it's it's rare

00:40:17.760 exceptions of you know you get hit by a truck or you know or it's uh it's exceptions like uh the

00:40:25.120 government you know ruins your life you know right right you know you get fbi you know or

00:40:30.240 swatted or something like that and they take away you know where i mean i have some sympathies for

00:40:33.980 veterans with ptsd things like that yes yeah that's true but but anyways the point like going

00:40:39.520 back to my main point was just to say um so arguing you know with my my marxist you know brother i

00:40:46.140 remember one of the examples that he used to give is he said like if it's just a matter of like so

00:40:50.900 many things it's you you think it's uh well this person worked harder than all the rest but there

00:40:54.840 is something to be said for time and he said like like how is it your fault if you're born in 2025

00:41:00.860 and somebody else you know happens to be born in the 1700s and they settle a particular you know

00:41:06.380 spot of land and um and in this this land um you know because i was arguing about property taxes

00:41:12.640 which i do think property taxes are theft but he was saying if we don't have property taxes then

00:41:17.640 we would immediately return to feudal lord system within one generation and i asked him you know to

00:41:23.060 flesh it out because i i i don't get mad at opponents especially if i happen to be related

00:41:27.900 to them and i'm willing to hear them out and he said so what if somebody owns uh land and you own

00:41:34.000 land and you bought that land for a certain price because it's on a river it has water access but

00:41:38.500 they own the land that's upstream of the river right and they decide to dam the river right and

00:41:43.720 create you know a pond and a lake and this or or to steer it to another portion or pollute it that

00:41:48.680 you know or polluted and so now you you spent x amount of dollars because there's a river on your

00:41:54.340 land and now there's not right um and it's like well it's uh it's private property you know and

00:41:59.780 there's no uh there's no property taxes so it's like i always think of um i think of uh chris

00:42:06.120 farley this is just my stupid mind and the way that it works but chris farley and david spades

00:42:11.020 i think it was black sheep where they're uh in a in a cabin in the woods and they're playing 0.97

00:42:15.020 checkers together i don't know if you guys are familiar with this i didn't see that and uh david

00:42:18.740 spade is like uh he like he takes his last you know checker and he's like there it is he's like

00:42:23.460 i just won you know like seven games in a row he's like i've never won so many games in a row

00:42:27.920 and chris farley you know is pretty upset and he's like well yeah you know well so it's kind

00:42:33.000 of easy to win if you never move your back row and i was thinking about that it's like what

00:42:40.280 property taxes do in one sense and don't get me wrong i have my problems with property taxes

00:42:44.740 but in one sense it forces people to move their back row right it forces you to move your back

00:42:49.520 like what what would happen if you never have to move your back row right you just sit on it and

00:42:55.540 not just like for 20 years but i'm talking about generations i'm talking about 200 years

00:42:59.100 like at a certain point because land is finite it's all owned nobody could ever own a plot of

00:43:04.440 land ever again like it's all it's all owned and somebody has land that is upstream at a river's

00:43:10.520 head you know and uh everybody else like i mean he could literally just rule the world like you

00:43:16.380 want water like a mad max kind of situation like uh you want water uh you want to live okay you

00:43:22.320 have to start paying me these royalties you know like and you have to pay me this and you have to

00:43:26.360 pay and so my point is going back to free speech and you know facebook and meta you know like um

00:43:30.860 and and all these things um i just my point is i don't i don't think that that we have fully

00:43:38.120 uh conceived of of what what's what what is going to happen when robots can do most forms of menial

00:43:47.700 labor when fsd i mean we're really close you know so go even closer than robots but uh self-driving

00:43:53.000 trucks you know like so much of the population um i mean that's a huge vocation of driving trucks i

00:43:59.020 have friends who drive trucks so what happens when there's fsd um and all these companies uh don't

00:44:05.720 have to pay a truck driver and we'll have once it gets good enough we'll have fewer incidents you

00:44:10.760 know accidents and things like that and they buy this fsd truck and it has to be maintained and

00:44:15.300 things like that but overall it's cheaper and there's less accidents and that entire vocation

00:44:20.160 is gone and then you think of i mean i like back back with slaves it's like well who's going to 0.98

00:44:25.640 pick the cotton if we you know free the slaves and then you know with immigrants it's like well 1.00

00:44:29.620 who's going to pick the cotton you know if we uh if we don't let all these immigrants in here 1.00

00:44:33.380 well here's here's an answer for the the timeless you know age-old question of who's going to pick 1.00

00:44:37.840 the cotton what about when it's robots right eventually you know and it's not just the cotton

00:44:42.880 but it's also you know maintenance on you know it's it's the car shop and it's stocking shelves

00:44:47.600 in the grocery store and it's like and it's all these different jobs so so just freedom of speech

00:44:53.340 and the 2020 election is just one tangible example that we've already experienced but there's a ton

00:44:58.000 coming down the pipeline. And so my point is, for the longest time, I think I just equated

00:45:03.940 a righteous government as a small government. But you can be big in some aspects. I do think

00:45:11.480 there are some things where the Bible actually sets jurisdictions that the government is not

00:45:14.780 supposed to be involved. So I do think that there are some universal transcendent laws

00:45:19.380 that God sets in his holy word where this does not belong to the government, but rather it belongs

00:45:24.980 to households. But in other areas that aren't specified by Scripture, where the government

00:45:30.880 does have a certain responsibility to promote the good and to punish the evildoer, in those realms,

00:45:38.380 we think just, well, small. And that small, by default, will be moral. But I think there's a

00:45:44.500 way of being big and righteous, and there's a way of being small and wicked. And I think that one of

00:45:49.540 the things, if the government's job is to punish evildoers, was there a way of doing evil

00:45:54.700 economically in markets right is there a way of doing wickedness in markets right it's not just

00:46:01.200 you know the thief who crawls into someone's window you know and steals their jewelry um in

00:46:05.780 a literal physical sense but um there's all kinds of forms of theft that we're talking about with

00:46:10.500 pharmaceutical companies and that happens all the time and if if the government punishes the wicked

00:46:15.160 do uh evildoer and and the you know the eighth commandment that shall not steal um is something

00:46:21.580 that corporations can do um then then the idea of just this total free market with no restraints

00:46:29.780 and that the government doesn't have some kind of vested interest to make sure that because it's

00:46:33.880 one thing if the dude's lazy but it's there's another thing to be said like um you are going

00:46:38.000 to be you and all your descendants will be um indefinitely poor and and and he says well why

00:46:46.220 and says well because you committed the unforgivable crime of being born 200 years

00:46:52.300 too late is that right right you know so anyways it's just there's a lot there's a lot that i i do

00:46:59.400 think that conservatives are going to have to think deeply about yeah that we've had the luxury

00:47:04.320 of assuming for a long time well just to put a kind of a bow on that um one of the things you

00:47:11.520 You know, Wes, we did the episode a while back about conservatism and conservatives.

00:47:16.660 And I think that we have a tendency, just as humans, but even as Americans, to think,

00:47:22.740 well, because we had this system, we don't have to worry anymore, right?

00:47:26.940 And even some of us who are like, well, our system is wrong, we need to go to this system

00:47:31.640 or to that system, we kind of fall into the same trap of, well, that system will solve

00:47:37.000 it for us, right?

00:47:37.700 There has to be a well-considered system for the time accompanied with, and Wes, you and I have talked about this a lot, what went wrong?

00:47:46.320 Well, it seems like what went wrong was that belief that the system must be preserved, tweaked, modified, and continually be worked on to be the appropriate governing set of principles for the time.

00:48:01.180 and the constitution and the republic and the founders they became that thing where we as

00:48:07.640 americans said because we have that we don't have to be on guard anymore right we've got it we're

00:48:12.360 good yep no problem yeah yeah i people change and and therefore systems of government that's not to

00:48:19.320 say that any system of government you know could be appropriate i do think there are some immutable

00:48:24.440 standards like i think that communism is actually um universally and more right and uh so there's

00:48:31.660 you can't say well this is a particular time and place where communism can be permissible okay i

00:48:37.320 mean you can read just you know just the the the the default you know basic definition of communism

00:48:43.000 and it actually you know directly contradicts um the principles and commandments of scripture

00:48:48.720 but there are other forms of government that i don't believe are inherently wrong now they may

00:48:55.660 not be prudent in various places with various peoples in various times but there is an argument

00:49:01.440 for moral permissibility and we've said it several times but i'll say it again i think a constitutional

00:49:06.840 representative you know republic for me is an ideal form of government but i think it's a form

00:49:13.940 of government that people have to aspire to and we think that it just fell out of the sky like for

00:49:18.520 the first time we found the inherently righteous form of government, and that before we were just 0.89

00:49:24.800 ignorant. What we neglect to realize is that this republic was only suitable for a religious 0.99

00:49:34.180 and upright, morally upright people, and it's wholly fit for no other. But then that begs the

00:49:39.040 question, where did we acquire this kind of moral and religious people? And the answer to that is

00:49:45.660 from about 700 years of a Christian monarchy 0.84

00:49:49.800 that had a heavy hand in most cases.

00:49:52.820 And so I think that, one, limitless immigration.

00:49:57.400 Two, universal suffrage, which was not a part of our founding.

00:50:01.740 The idea that anyone can come to America

00:50:04.280 and almost immediately, very quickly, vote in America.

00:50:09.900 And so universal immigration and universal suffrage

00:50:15.260 and and then that combined with but no but we must keep the same form of government so we're 0.51

00:50:21.760 going to radically change the fabric of the nation but insist upon the same means of of

00:50:28.100 managing this population while we systematically change it rapidly in just half a century to where 0.67

00:50:34.460 it's an entirely different people that to me seems like a recipe for disaster and now that

00:50:40.940 we've gotten ourselves into this situation uh we want to be christian about it we want to be

00:50:45.620 humane we want to be merciful but we also want to be um righteous and courageous and and i think one

00:50:51.560 of the things that's going to have to be considered is um how do you govern right because used to it's

00:50:57.720 like small government made sense because it was self-government but you have to have the kind of

00:51:02.220 people that are capable of self-government how do you now govern um a virtually a new nation as far

00:51:08.680 as the people are concerned it's a it's a new stock of people many of which have never have

00:51:15.120 for generations have never been self-governing right how do you do that probably not with small

00:51:22.080 government well and the the classical conservative is going to say the small government big government

00:51:30.100 is the wrong framing it's limited government yes right and so it's exactly what you're saying the

00:51:35.000 government should be very strong in certain areas but it should be limited to certain and i do

00:51:38.360 I believe that that is a universal biblical principle, like a transcendent principle.

00:51:41.920 I think all human governments must be limited.

00:51:45.760 But you're right.

00:51:46.400 It's become...

00:51:47.160 But the question is where, how, you know, like those kinds of things.

00:51:50.420 Yeah.

00:51:51.560 All right.

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00:56:16.200 all right welcome back so um let's talk about based on rfks and the hhs's uh findings a couple

00:56:31.160 of suggestions that families can do to try and take ownership of their health and one of the

00:56:37.180 things that i thought was funny was that one of the criticisms of rfk's release or his findings

00:56:42.540 the hhs's findings were it puts too high of a priority on individual responsibility and it's

00:56:49.340 not accounting for all the systemic things well there are systemic things but they're not the

00:56:53.400 ones that you're thinking of so here here are some of the things that came out of um the the

00:56:59.780 the findings number one eliminate or greatly reduce ultra processed foods number two detox

00:57:05.520 the home environment number three evaluate medical and supplement use just as a disclaimer we're not

00:57:11.040 doctors we're not telling what to do but in my opinion if you can find a trustworthy doctor who

00:57:17.440 looks at whole systems and can get off some of your prescription medications through other things

00:57:23.920 like diet and just making your body more healthy um i'm not opposed to taking antibiotics if you've

00:57:31.120 We've got a raging infection, but you know,

00:57:33.300 some of these things we should not be on perpetually,

00:57:35.400 that sort of thing.

00:57:36.240 And targeted like an ointment or even drops for antibiotics

00:57:39.240 is much better than a systemic antibiotic.

00:57:41.400 Garlic drops in the ears can often prevent your infection.

00:57:45.020 And then, you know, if it really does become real serious,

00:57:47.620 okay, then go get it.

00:57:48.520 But every time your kid has an earache,

00:57:51.520 just immediately start popping the antibiotics.

00:57:54.180 It's something crazy, like 10 years to fully regrow.

00:57:56.760 Like they've called the gut, in many ways, the second brain,

00:57:59.700 because it's a very complex interaction

00:58:01.640 between a number of different bacteria.

00:58:03.300 And we take the antibiotic and wipe that out.

00:58:05.340 It can take up to 10 years for that

00:58:06.880 to get back to the status that it is.

00:58:08.580 That affects digestion, that affects hormones.

00:58:11.100 Like it's not something that's just like,

00:58:12.500 oh, a week later, took an antibiotic,

00:58:14.180 everything regrouped perfectly.

00:58:15.220 It takes years to cultivate that.

00:58:18.900 And then exercise.

00:58:20.080 Okay, so let's talk about the food for a minute.

00:58:23.460 This is the one that RFK highlighted

00:58:27.260 is the greatest net negative,

00:58:29.280 is the ultra processed food and so we talked about the chemicals and the ingredients and things like

00:58:33.880 that um so wes let's just let's just give some advice here on food because i know as soon as we

00:58:39.340 say food two things come up number one is it's more convenient to cook to cook to prepare pre-cooked

00:58:47.760 or pre-packaged meals right uh busy life even even with them if the mom is home you know families

00:58:53.380 might have their kids in four sports and they're going this way and that way and you know it's

00:58:57.160 hard to find the time to to cook a home-cooked meal so that's a practical thing is the time and

00:59:02.300 then the second thing is the cost well it's way cheaper to just buy what the store is selling me

00:59:07.800 and not to go to the back where the organic section is and then i look at the prices of

00:59:11.440 the organic and that's so expensive yeah cost is a big one cost is a big one well so um we want to

00:59:17.340 be realistic right we want to be uh aware that people actually have budgets so nate let's show

00:59:22.500 the pictures of the fruits and vegetables. Let's do the dirty dozen first. So this is one that you

00:59:28.460 can pause and come back to if you've never seen this before. These are the items of produce that

00:59:36.120 are the most heavily contaminated with pesticides and fertilizers and things like that. So if you

00:59:42.840 have a very limited budget and you want to start making some changes, either don't buy these or

00:59:49.320 buy these ones in organic and those are strawberries spinach kale and collard greens grapes which we

00:59:55.680 all give our kids grapes like it's one of kids favorite treats it's an easy one to give them

00:59:59.240 peaches pears nectarines apples bell peppers cherries blueberries and green beans it's funny

01:00:06.480 i recently was reading something on spinach which is not something i normally do but

01:00:10.460 we have a tortoise and our tortoise every time you know we switch it up sometimes it's lettuce

01:00:16.660 sometimes it's kale sometimes it's spinach and the tortoise just is not wanting to eat spinach

01:00:22.700 and i was curious about it and uh and so this doesn't surprise me that it might be

01:00:30.000 higher on the pesticides but in addition to that um from what i was looking at spinach

01:00:34.880 even for humans even if there's not pesticide um it seems as though like you know a lot of

01:00:41.500 things when you cook it it's better raw and like you know and when you cook it you're actually

01:00:45.740 lessening its nutrients but spinach is kind of the reverse the dark leafy greens should be cooked

01:00:50.960 yeah like what from what i've looked into yep um raw spinach is not good for you no it's like even

01:00:57.860 if there weren't pesticides it's not something that people i'm holding my tongue should eat what

01:01:02.360 do you know that my research agrees exactly with that holding your tongue just saying like you

01:01:08.540 don't add substance to the meal like basil spinach obviously depends on the meal but like come on

01:01:13.120 like which one adds more flavor which one is better for you like we all know like kale was

01:01:17.200 huge there's people making chips out of it yeah everything it was a decoration in pizza hut in

01:01:21.560 the 90s like that was the category for like this is this is decoration uh michael that source you

01:01:26.300 got it from by the way ewg.org super helpful they have an app they have tons of stuff on food on

01:01:31.740 sunscreen on care products ewg.org especially if you're a wife and you're listening to this

01:01:36.800 that is your one-stop shop for a lot of these healthy living things let's go to the next graph

01:01:41.080 uh nate uh not graph image so these are the clean 15 so again you're trying to save money

01:01:48.340 these are the fruits and vegetables that even if they're farmed conventionally

01:01:52.760 are going to be the least contaminated with um uh the what am i trying the pesticides and things

01:02:01.200 like that so avocados to see avocados on there yep i love i love avocado i do too um but but

01:02:07.060 you'll notice a lot of these are are fruits and vegetables that have some sort of shell around

01:02:10.960 them not all of them that makes you know so you're you're you're getting past the shelf avocado

01:02:15.380 sweet corn pineapples onions papayas sweet frozen sweet peas asparagus honeydew melon kiwis cabbage

01:02:21.800 watermelon again the rind mushroom uh mangoes and sweet potatoes um and by the way sweet potatoes

01:02:28.320 are way better for you than potatoes i love a good french fry and a good like rare potato l

01:02:34.180 yeah absolutely i do not like sweet potatoes well i'm not saying you have to like them i happen to

01:02:39.220 like no you're you're correct like they're better for you yeah but they're not better tasting yeah

01:02:43.400 uh so that's that's a practical thing so if you're making some budget choices uh let's go to the next

01:02:49.280 women love sweet potatoes though i think i've noticed my wife loves sweet potato yeah my wife 0.99

01:02:53.880 she's like she wants to she wants to like do like a steak frites or something like that like it's 1.00

01:03:00.360 like a like one of her favorite meals and she wants like the bed with all these different dishes

01:03:05.200 like the bed is going to be uh sweet potatoes that are like cut into like like like almost like

01:03:12.100 steak fries you know yeah fries yeah and um i like sweet potatoes i you know i appreciate it

01:03:18.720 and she wants to keep me alive but i yeah i'm do you like sweet potatoes or do you like crunchy

01:03:23.540 foods tossed in salt i like the sweet potato really like load-bearing here i like baked sweet

01:03:29.160 potatoes with butter on it again like you're covering it in salt and fat and butter and

01:03:35.120 like i love sweet potatoes my brother in christ you love salty butter yeah fair enough that might

01:03:39.900 be the case but which i do too for the record butter butter can be really good for you yeah

01:03:43.740 butter's great if it's actually i'll give them just straight butter like it's the uh so it's

01:03:47.820 the grass-fed the whole stuff like salted yep super good for you yeah yeah let's talk about

01:03:54.220 some of the costs of if you wanted to switch and start buying organic foods um so this is some

01:04:01.740 averages and if you're if you're wanting to switch to organic um you can pause it here i'm not going

01:04:06.640 to take the time because we're running a little low on time but in short it can cost you this was

01:04:11.820 average family of four numbers in the u.s that's kind of what metrics are measured in which is

01:04:17.220 another commentary about our society but anyway is this for a month okay yeah so it's going to cost

01:04:23.840 on average between maybe three to five hundred dollars more for your food and grocery budget

01:04:29.140 if you switched exclusively to organic in every place that you can.

01:04:33.500 So you're getting rid of the seed oils and you're using tallow or avocado oil,

01:04:37.000 something like that.

01:04:38.100 You're getting rid of the packaged goods.

01:04:40.120 This is not getting into meat.

01:04:41.820 Organic meat is another thing that we can talk about another time.

01:04:45.040 But it's not, so on average, a grocery bill for a family of four,

01:04:49.300 this is just for food, is $900 to $1,500.

01:04:53.560 That's the frugal to the more liberal.

01:04:58.960 Our food budget for four falls literally about right in the middle of that range, a little bit on the low end.

01:05:03.600 So if you're spending $1,000 a month and you switch to organic, expect to bump it up $300 to $500 a month possibly.

01:05:11.640 That's why I gave the pictures.

01:05:13.200 If you have to ease into it, prioritize those ones that are on the dirty dozen.

01:05:16.860 Don't buy those as conventionally farmed or avoid buying them at all.

01:05:21.920 I should say, too, we do eat a lot of organic, and our budget is that.

01:05:24.720 And some of the ways you do it is Costco, so buying in bulk.

01:05:27.020 And also Thrive Market is like an online market

01:05:29.440 where you can order things in bulk as well

01:05:31.080 that are super healthy.

01:05:32.000 Azure Standard is another one.

01:05:32.840 Azure Standard is another good one.

01:05:34.080 So my wife kind of picks and pulls from those

01:05:35.980 to come together and get tons of good ingredients.

01:05:39.000 And it's not like we buy every single ingredient organic.

01:05:41.140 Like you said, the ones that matter.

01:05:42.480 Can I buy it in bulk so it's cheaper?

01:05:44.260 Can I order it online

01:05:45.220 and get everything I need for three months?

01:05:46.800 That's how our budget is.

01:05:48.180 I think about $1,200 or so.

01:05:49.800 Varies a little bit.

01:05:50.760 But eating all the healthy oils,

01:05:52.700 tons of beef, lots of chicken,

01:05:54.380 meat at every meal, et cetera.

01:05:55.340 yeah um let's briefly talk about water um because water is super important too and um it's sad to

01:06:03.400 me that our water is so unhealthy because i remember you know growing up in a third world

01:06:09.000 country i i just thought it's incredible that in the u.s you can just turn on the tap and drink the

01:06:13.380 water you thought well what we were getting in venezuela was the bacterias that are going to

01:06:19.260 give you you know all sorts of yeah dysentery and all of that stuff um and so you don't get that

01:06:24.380 here that's true but you are getting the microplastics the pharmaceutical products

01:06:28.960 whether it's the birth control or things just being washed through you're getting a lot of

01:06:33.140 heavy metals depending on where you live and so even even the tap drinking water now and fluoride

01:06:39.040 if your city or county fluoride fluorinates the water so I did a little bit of research on

01:06:44.100 alternatives that you can do to have better water so Nate let's show this real quick again this is

01:06:49.420 something you can come back to and pause it and look at bottled water is an option it's it's going

01:06:54.140 to not have the contaminants in it but you are going to get a lot of microplastics from the

01:06:58.380 water so not probably the best option for if you're looking for long-term health but there's

01:07:05.600 there's pitcher filters there's faucet mounted filters all the all the um the options there and

01:07:11.920 then the average cost both to um buy that thing on the front end and then to maintain it if you

01:07:17.640 have to change filters over the year things like that and then it lists what those remove does it

01:07:22.200 remove micro uh microplastics does it remove fluoride does it remove heavy metals etc so

01:07:27.920 lots of options there we um we use a the countertop one at the bottom because we do not own our own

01:07:34.120 home um and that works really great it it for a drinking water it's not their shower water and

01:07:39.020 things like that but we use that for all our cooking and drinking and it wasn't too much on

01:07:42.540 the front end we change the filters twice a year um and it it really filters out as far as the

01:07:47.880 drinking water goes oh like all of the contaminants that you could want to so yeah i was just going

01:07:53.300 to say thank you do reverse osmosis yep you can think house level filtration i've known a number

01:07:58.120 of people that they actually had acne and so like the water you shower with could be hard water

01:08:02.340 could have different minerals in it that's not great for your hair not great for your skin so

01:08:06.060 don't just be thinking drinking at your sink but also think for the whole house so we have a whole

01:08:10.180 house water filter and like you said a reverse osmosis oftentimes you put that under your sink

01:08:14.240 so specifically what you're drinking and sometimes it'll strip everything out of there and so you

01:08:18.620 want to add remineralization back in that's right so don't just think like okay how does my water

01:08:22.520 get good oh i just do a brita or filter but no like my whole house all the water we're intaking

01:08:27.140 then underneath my sink and then how am i adding in some of the stuff that's accidentally stripped

01:08:31.200 away yeah good steps at a time though that does not need all to be done this weekend that's right

01:08:35.420 that's the thing is yes the situation in our nation is dire and things need to be done but

01:08:41.240 on a personal level like um it's so easy to jump in with both feet and then realize you don't know

01:08:47.320 how to swim right um and so if this is something you're serious about talk to your your wife or

01:08:53.880 if you're listening you talk to your husband um and make practical steps that can be sustainable

01:08:59.480 over time it's better to take a couple small steps that you stick to rather than take one

01:09:03.940 giant step and then fall backwards and and that's the end of the story yeah yeah great episode okay

01:09:09.440 Thanks, Michael. I think this is an important topic, and I think you gave us a lot of practical application that people will be blessed by. Thanks for tuning in, and Lord willing, we'll see you next time.

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