The NXR Podcast - THE LIVESTREAM - Righteous Deception and Am I A Racist Movie Review

00:00:00.000 Good afternoon, gentlemen, GA, GA to everyone joining us in the chat as well.

00:00:17.800 Good to be here for another live discussion.

00:00:20.120 We're going to be talking about Am I Racist?

00:00:22.520 Went ahead, we saw it last night.

00:00:24.200 Really great movie, really enjoyed it.

00:00:25.540 We'll talk about some key tenets of the film, but it sparked a really interesting discussion

00:00:29.840 that we'll lead off with. Maybe you're seeing it tonight. Don't want any spoilers. That'll come a

00:00:33.620 little bit later in the episode. But it opens the can of worms of this idea of righteous deception.

00:00:39.020 And this is not an idea that's novel. This is not the first time as Christians, as Protestants, 0.98

00:00:43.520 we've had to think about, well, what is the place for lying and deception? Do they have a place? 1.00

00:00:48.780 What about in different scenarios like war? And there's two individuals specifically,

00:00:52.880 really impactful, Denny Burke and then Andrew T. Walker. And they had really, they liked the movie,

00:00:58.580 But they came out and they said, but what about the way you deceived these people, the way you set up these workshops, the way you set up these interviews, the way you talk to them?

00:01:07.360 You wore a disguise, after all.

00:01:09.220 You did all of this, and it's kind of deceptive, right?

00:01:13.360 Matt Walsh would be claimed to be conservative, Christian, certainly conservative, Catholic, but he's claiming to be a Christian.

00:01:19.980 And then putting on a wig, he even created for the movie a fake web page.

00:01:24.460 They had a whole information page, build themselves to something totally different to be able to get in, to do these interviews, to complete this movie. 0.56

00:01:33.500 And so some Christians took, I wouldn't say, maybe offense would be the right word. 0.62

00:01:38.200 To demonstrate, let's go ahead and just read this tweet.

00:01:39.940 This is from Andrew T. Walker, and I think this is a good encapsulation of the argument against it.

00:01:45.420 So he says this.

00:01:46.560 i just saw matt walsh's am i racist entertaining and definitely illuminating on the absurd

00:01:53.460 ideological struggle sessions our culture has gone through in our over correction on race still

00:01:59.200 much of the film was accomplished through deception i'm not a fan of that tactic outside

00:02:03.320 of legally declared war take note of that we'll get back to in a minute outside of legally declared

00:02:08.140 war deception is enormously difficult to justify especially deceptions that do not involve

00:02:13.240 immediate questions of life and death or deceptions willfully brought about and not occurring as a

00:02:18.340 result of somebody else's actions. Walsh is right to capture and name the absurdity. The method to

00:02:23.560 do so is highly questionable. I'm going to quote you, Joel. I think it was a couple of years ago.

00:02:29.780 Here's the difference. You're at a picnic. You're sitting there with friends. You're having a meal

00:02:35.240 and sharing it together. And you stand up and you pull out a rifle and you take a shot. Everyone at

00:02:40.580 picnic would say, what are you doing? Why would you do that? We're trying to eat a lunch together.

00:02:46.740 That's totally out of place. Here's the difference. If you truly are at a picnic or if you're being

00:02:51.820 attacked, when you're at war, that's what justifies that action to stand up, to do something

00:02:57.900 violent, to employ different means. Are you actually at war? Is there actually stakes being

00:03:03.500 had or are we truly at peace that's really what it seems like the confusion the difficulty the

00:03:12.840 back and forth about this is yeah this is why the right never wins um and i hope by the grace of god

00:03:19.640 that that won't always be the case um i know that christ wins and because i'm post-millennial in my

00:03:25.280 eschatology i believe that christ will win not just despite a week and losing dying church in

00:03:31.080 the bottom of the ninth, but I think Christ will win gradually and progressively throughout real

00:03:35.840 human history in this gospel age, not despite a losing church, but actually through and with

00:03:41.200 a victorious church. But that doesn't mean that conservatives and Christians win

00:03:45.720 in our lifetime. That could be the long game. Now, we are working that we might, by God's

00:03:53.500 grace, experience victory in our lifetimes, not so much for ourselves, but for the good of our

00:03:57.720 children and our children's children, so that our children actually have an opportunity and a chance

00:04:03.440 to experience blessing and security and prosperity in a reasonably free country like we did when we

00:04:12.540 grew up. And so we're working towards all those things. We'll see what God and his mercy and

00:04:16.660 sovereignty chooses to do. But the point remains, and the point is this, we are most certainly at

00:04:23.500 war we're absolutely at war and the reason why conservatives historically have lost and i went

00:04:29.460 through that whole disclaimer to say you know they don't always have to lose that doesn't have to be

00:04:33.220 our fate in perpetuity but the reason why historically conservatives have have lost and

00:04:40.380 why right now it doesn't look too great um for the tide to change it looks like we're going to

00:04:46.880 you know we're dead set on continuing to lose at least in the short term is because uh conservatives

00:04:52.640 don't really want to win conservatives do not uh they don't seize power if they ever uh trip and

00:04:59.580 fall accidentally into power uh they still forego any um any rights of actually wielding

00:05:07.380 said power uh conservatives um are remarkable in their ability to um to snatch victory you know

00:05:18.460 or to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory time and time again.

00:05:24.440 And so I like Andrew T. Walker.

00:05:27.900 I think he's a good enough guy, and he's done some good things on the public stage,

00:05:34.200 and he actually does have some influence.

00:05:36.700 He's not just LARPing, and so we do need institutions.

00:05:40.640 He's a company man.

00:05:42.220 He's an institutional man.

00:05:43.820 He's a Christian man.

00:05:45.000 He's a Baptist man.

00:05:46.000 And so I'm grateful for all those things, that he has connections, he has some institutional

00:05:52.740 power, maybe not a ton, but he has some institutional power, and he's certainly an evangelical Baptist

00:05:59.960 Christian, and he's, I mean, to even mention him in the same sentence as someone like David French

00:06:07.720 or Russell Moore would be, absolutely, you know, talk about deception, that would be unfair.

00:06:13.080 Just to pause too, friend-enemy distinction is so helpful here.

00:06:15.580 we just want to be yeah so that's what i'm doing right now is what west just said uh let the record

00:06:20.360 state um that uh andrew walker i i think should rightfully uh fall into the friend category uh so

00:06:27.840 we we consider him not not that he's a personal friend i've never spoken to him but i've seen his

00:06:32.420 work and i know guys who are close to him um and so we've you know we have adjacent uh you know

00:06:38.220 friends and allies who cross paths he's he's one of the good guys um so all that being said there's

00:06:44.780 the bona fides there's the uh the disclaimer that said um in this instance andrew t walker is uh

00:06:52.700 ngmi dude's not going to make it yeah uh what what are you what are you talking about i like the i

00:07:00.220 like the film but i don't like the tactics you don't get the film without the tactics right 0.98

00:07:04.780 and the tactics are 100 justified they're chopping off the penises of boys and murdering babies we 0.85

00:07:13.300 are at war right seize power and crush your enemies nobody was made to say anything that 0.99

00:07:21.380 they don't believe and that they have not garnered over the last four years hundreds of thousands of

00:07:27.780 dollars for themselves by peddling to the poorest of the poor and the most vulnerable and guilt

00:07:34.420 ridden members of all of society crush them for the good of your children for the glory of god 0.98

00:07:42.240 crush them it is absolutely justified and we just don't have time for loser conservatives

00:07:52.200 we don't have time for it and furthermore while while i agree with you 100 joel that's kind of the 0.84

00:07:59.300 the overarching issue it was justified there are biblical categories for justified deception and

00:08:06.420 even lying right and so he he said legally declared war i think that doesn't cover all

00:08:12.420 the biblical examples because it doesn't cover the midwives um in egypt um you know there was

00:08:18.060 no legal declaration of war right so they certainly were at a type of war they were being i would

00:08:22.900 agree with that and that's the point and that's the point exactly so if you're if you're asking

00:08:26.960 for babies were being killed there was no legal declaration of war on egypt's part but babies

00:08:33.380 were being slaughtered yes and in god's purview that justified these midwives correct and you okay 0.63

00:08:40.800 so so my point is we have babies being slaughtered hit the ad the addition of the word legally

00:08:47.520 declared war i think or officially legally i think is what he said it seems to be an extra

00:08:52.160 biblical category right like the tweet um could have been fine on its own but without that legally

00:08:58.100 then he can't say that what Walsh was doing is not justified.

00:09:02.600 Furthermore, though, I mean, there's a difference between someone in that film saying to the producers, 0.96

00:09:10.120 is this a Daily Wire production and will it make the left look dumb?

00:09:14.600 And then the producer saying, no, it is not. 0.96

00:09:17.980 And, hey, we're doing this documentary.

00:09:20.740 We're going to be paying people to come in and do these workshops.

00:09:24.360 You know, you want to sign up? Great.

00:09:26.380 maybe they don't know what it is altogether that is not the same thing and i would be surprised

00:09:30.900 if any producer said a an outright lie to them like they ask a direct question and then they

00:09:39.100 lie to their face about it that's not how it works you sign waivers you go in you film and then the

00:09:44.760 footage gets used and and a lot of a lot of times when this happens you get background actors or

00:09:50.180 stand-ins or things like that like they don't they have no control over what that footage gets used

00:09:53.660 forever ever right you you make an agreement to be paid for the footage and then the movie maker

00:10:00.360 the producer the studio takes that footage and they makes their movie right and this has happened

00:10:04.500 the other way too like sometimes people come out and they say that the movie was paid made poorly

00:10:08.700 and it reflected badly on me as an actor well tough bananas guy like you signed the waiver

00:10:13.340 yeah that's this is what documentaries do all the time um and so yeah sure um they didn't they

00:10:19.840 didn't think that it was going to be used in a mockumentary right it's literally uh mocking them

00:10:25.120 um although they are uh completely deserving of that mockery but uh but you're right that's that

00:10:32.060 is the procedure is um i mean and you saw they put the price tag of you know we pay we're paying

00:10:38.080 this person you know fifty thousand dollars you know we're paying that person fifteen thousand

00:10:42.900 dollars and this person thirty thousand dollars and like and so uh everybody's getting paid yeah

00:10:48.320 uh their their usual fee uh which is outrageous and then uh signing a waiver and giving permission

00:10:55.640 for uh that footage and nobody is being told they're not being told what they have to say

00:11:00.940 right they're not being forced nobody's nobody's at gunpoint nobody's uh having their arm twisted

00:11:05.780 um they're simply uh saying what they have been saying for four years uh but now it's just getting 0.85

00:11:12.680 shown to the public that's that's all it is and and you know exposed for how ridiculous it actually

00:11:19.660 is uh there was a comment up there by i think it was peter sawyer but he basically said i'm

00:11:25.300 paraphrasing because the chat has kind of moved on a little bit but peter sawyer said uh what

00:11:29.660 about missionaries who go to a foreign country where the u.s and that country neither has declared

00:11:34.700 legally uh war on the other and so you're not at war um you know maybe it's the sudan or maybe

00:11:41.220 whatever but you come in and you're granted uh because now this will be tough for some of our

00:11:47.840 american here so uh real countries every country in the world except for ours um actually have

00:11:53.620 standards uh if you want to come into them so uh like i so this is this is tough like when

00:11:58.980 missionaries go in they leave america and they go into every other country on the planet except for

00:12:04.120 ours uh they have to have a reason to be there and they have to be granted you know access in

00:12:08.580 order to stay there and how long they can stay there and what they're allowed to be doing while

00:12:12.440 they're there uh those kinds of things that's how real countries operate we currently don't live in

00:12:16.360 one but that's you know just to remind everybody uh you can't just you know hop on a plane and fly

00:12:21.120 somewhere you know undocumented and be given you know a check for 150 000 in the state of

00:12:26.060 california for your down payment of a house as an illegal immigrant and then also get a driver's

00:12:30.080 license and vote in national presidential elections. So, you know, while eating cats and 0.94

00:12:33.960 dogs. So that's, you know, that's not something that the rest of the world does, only a wicked

00:12:39.420 nation that hates its own people like America. That being established, when, what Peter Sawyer

00:12:46.520 was saying is that when missionaries from America go into another nation, they have to actually give

00:12:51.120 a reason and get approval for being there. And often their main purpose as a missionary is to

00:12:57.140 evangelize and share the gospel and to help towards church planting efforts and maybe even

00:13:01.760 to function as you know a pastor and preaching on the lord's day and that's the primary focus

00:13:05.880 and even to bring bibles with them and different resources but they get in under a pretense and i

00:13:13.040 think pretense is a fair word here a pretense of being perhaps starting a school or being a teacher

00:13:18.840 right i mean michael you yourself have done that and the teaching it's not that it's illegitimate

00:13:23.180 it was a legitimate school and that in itself was a ministry of sorts but it wasn't the only reason

00:13:29.180 you were doing or even the primary reason do you want to share just real quick like obviously not

00:13:32.860 your life story we don't have time for that but well it's a little different there because i lived

00:13:36.540 in in taiwan for six years and taiwan is not opposed to preaching the gospel but i know

00:13:42.380 personally missionaries who did the same thing in china and have been kicked out or have had to

00:13:47.740 basically flee and some of them it was as cordial as the police showing up and say you have a week

00:13:54.540 to be out of the country or it's going to be a different conversation and some of it was

00:13:59.420 mission agencies getting a contact and saying your missionaries need to get out now because

00:14:03.180 they're going to be arrested next week sort of deal but all of those missionaries were there

00:14:08.540 starting a tea growing company or as a university consultant or some sort of cover and yes they did

00:14:15.180 devote time to that like it had the cover the cover had to hold up if someone showed up they

00:14:19.260 had to see that they were teaching at a school or something like that but obviously not their

00:14:22.700 main purpose for being there right and so technically they didn't lie they didn't say

00:14:27.580 i'm going to teach and then never teach they did teach but it was a pretense it was a front it was

00:14:33.100 a deception of sorts where that wasn't the main reason that they were going to be there right

00:14:37.580 yeah and thinking categorically so you going to taiwan where it's not illegal to do so there

00:14:43.100 wasn't a need to lie it was not i think of paul says like we wrestle not against flesh and blood

00:14:47.820 but against principalities and powers so that's spiritual war so lying for the purpose of getting

00:14:52.060 to the front lines and fighting spiritual war justified a culture war in the same way lying

00:14:56.540 to individuals that are bringing subversive ideas in also justified but then to give a category an

00:15:01.660 example uh in the marriage a husband and a wife are not at war and deception and lying are not

00:15:07.180 allowed a husband can't deceive his wife because he is not at war with her right now even that

00:15:12.700 say she's trying to take his kid to california and and change their gender right then you could

00:15:17.900 actually say oh i'm just picking him up at school and bringing him right back maybe but that's

00:15:22.060 because the relationship has completely changed but you have to say okay if i'm in war hebrew

00:15:26.620 midwives uh even jacob we talked about jacob and rebecca yeah let's go there for the way they

00:15:30.940 deceive isaac jacob is spoken very highly of in scripture so in hebrews when it talks about esau

00:15:36.780 selling his birthright doesn't talk about jacob deceiving him uh jacob's actually called blameless

00:15:42.300 it's described he's described as a blameless man just man yeah and that's in comparison against

00:15:47.000 esau who sells his birthright there's an interpretation of that word hunter that

00:15:50.560 could kind of mean savage he's a savage he's a barbarian and so there's this promise made

00:15:54.920 to rebecca when she has both twins in the womb that isaac the the father her husband would have

00:15:59.880 known about that the younger would rule over the older and that was a prophecy made by god

00:16:04.600 yep right god tells rebecca listen you've got two children in here and the younger one of them is

00:16:09.020 going to serve the older but isaac disregards we don't have any insight into why he does he's he's

00:16:15.700 old he's maybe going senile and he disregards it yeah god said that but uh i really like esau he's

00:16:21.880 a great cook uh so you've got jacob and rebecca and they see okay god made this promise but um

00:16:28.520 but i can see isaac not following through with him i see esau ready to take on the covenant

00:16:33.660 blessings, and they go in and they deceive him for the purpose of furthering God's promise,

00:16:39.260 for the purpose of, I don't want to say taking what was promised to them, but really in that

00:16:44.180 sense. God made a promise. He says, this is what is going to happen. They didn't just sit back and

00:16:48.560 say, well, we'll see what happens. Man, Esau's going in to bless. They get to work, and neither

00:16:54.440 of them in the biblical narrative are spoken of wrongly for it. It's recognized, hey, wickedness

00:16:59.600 was being done you were being robbed and you employed a level of righteous deception that

00:17:04.520 was not malicious right in order to do what was right right it's the same as uh who's it judah

00:17:10.660 and tamar the black widow right you know so i mean judah um yeah has at this point you know it's it's

00:17:19.300 comes down to his third son he's like nah yep too many sons have died i'm not giving you a third

00:17:24.760 and so you know the first son uh the lord kills because he was wicked we don't know exactly why

00:17:29.300 but he did evil on the side of the Lord.

00:17:31.380 Then the second son is supposed to fulfill his older brother,

00:17:34.840 the first son's lineage and line.

00:17:37.640 He has a brotherly duty to produce offspring for his older brother

00:17:41.240 so that his name wouldn't be blotted out from the earth.

00:17:45.120 And he refuses to do that.

00:17:46.940 So we have the sin of Onanism in this case.

00:17:49.860 And the Lord sees that as wicked. 0.98

00:17:51.620 And so he puts him to death. 0.97

00:17:53.040 Onan was his name.

00:17:54.440 So the first brother dies, second brother Onan dies.

00:17:56.460 And now there's, you know, a third son.

00:17:58.900 Tamar, you know, is not, you know, Judah withholds him from Tamar.

00:18:03.480 And it would have been her right to have that third son now as her husband.

00:18:08.840 But instead, he puts her away.

00:18:10.560 She has no way to provide for herself.

00:18:13.140 Nobody else is likely going to marry her for a number of cultural reasons.

00:18:19.800 And so she's, you know, she's on her own for all intents and purposes.

00:18:23.240 And she's been shunned and put out by Judah.

00:18:25.220 and yet she um she comes up with a plan and in this plan she covers her face um like basically

00:18:32.440 you know like a full burka right and um and covers her face and disguises her identity and um 0.96

00:18:38.840 imposes as a prostitute um and and gets judah uh to have sex with her and then uh keeps his staff 0.93

00:18:48.960 um and seal as um as collateral um and you know and until she can you know basically he can pay 0.96

00:18:57.980 for her and then and then later on she puts that away and the you know implication sometime goes

00:19:03.600 by later on uh it's you know she begins to show that she's pregnant and judah uh calls publicly

00:19:10.920 for her execution that she i think uh burned at the stake i think is the particular death sentence

00:19:17.120 that he pronounces on her and then she says you know well before you put me to death could um

00:19:22.460 could you just identify you know just so you know who the man is involved in this because it wasn't

00:19:26.620 just me you know like it's you know this is not like a mary situation this is there it took two

00:19:31.400 to tango um you know this child was not conceived by the holy spirit there's a father involved and

00:19:37.060 just so that we know who he is he gave me this staff and this seal as collateral um do you

00:19:43.200 recognize this judah and it's his you know she's she's sharp sharp gal and uh and so anyways he

00:19:50.820 then says she is more righteous than i you know and um and she's absolved and i don't think just

00:19:56.700 in uh absolved in terms of moral culpability in the eyes of judah but but more importantly uh

00:20:01.840 in the eyes of god uh that she's justified in doing so and here's the point one of the major

00:20:06.500 things that justifies her is not just that well judah was uh he was worse and so therefore uh

00:20:11.520 you committing a sin and then being able to point to someone else committing a worse sin doesn't

00:20:15.700 doesn't absolve you of your your moral responsibility with the sin that you committed

00:20:19.680 simply because somebody else did something that's worse what's absolving her of moral guilt is that

00:20:26.060 she knows that she has been entitled this is you know my interpretation and it's not unique to me

00:20:32.200 because if it was then it'd probably be wrong um you know but but several other biblical scholars

00:20:37.100 and theologians would adhere to this as well she somehow has received word um and not it's not even

00:20:44.180 that mysterious how she knows that there would be a leader a lion the lion of the tribe of judah

00:20:53.620 who would come through judah's line that the messiah would come how does she know because

00:20:58.360 jacob actually prophesies this um over all of his sons before he dies you know he gathers all his

00:21:04.420 sons in egypt you know he's finally been carried to egypt reunites with joseph gives these last

00:21:09.420 dying prophecies and pulls his feet up into bed and breathes his last and goes to be with his

00:21:13.380 fathers and so he gives all these prophecies but when he gets to the fourth son judah because the

00:21:18.360 first three had disqualified themselves judah gets the messianic uh promise so there are really

00:21:24.820 great promises for all of these children uh but but judah gets the unique messianic promise

00:21:30.820 That you are going to father, through your lineage, will come the Messiah, who ultimately is going to be the Savior of all people.

00:21:38.440 So the seed, singular, that was promised previously to Abraham, now is portrayed not merely as, you know, with Adam and Eve, it's a serpent crusher.

00:21:49.000 With Abraham, it's a seed, who through him, all the nations of the world would be blessed.

00:21:53.940 And then when you get to Jacob, it's a lion, it's a leader, and there's a scepter.

00:22:00.240 the scepter is given to judah so there's a civil kingly aspect to it not just savior meek and mild

00:22:05.160 or lamb of god but lion ruler king messiah um the deliverer of of israel and like what was already

00:22:13.440 said to abraham a seed who would bless beyond israel all the nations of the world true israel

00:22:17.540 and so all that being said um of course tamar knew this right you're not even talking that

00:22:22.980 many generations down the line it's it's from jacob spoken out loud to all his sons judah being

00:22:27.600 one of them judah would have said this to his sons and tamar has been married already to two of them

00:22:32.820 right so of course she knows the promise so then what is tamar doing what absolves her of her guilt 0.80

00:22:37.400 well she pretended you know was deceptive and pretended to be a prostitute and committed 0.56

00:22:41.440 sexual immorality but judah was even worse and so therefore she's absolved no what she knows the 0.76

00:22:46.880 reason she wants that third son is because she knows and believes in her heart of heart and i 0.86

00:22:51.900 think she's right uh that god had provident providentially chosen her to be the mother

00:22:56.940 of the of the messiah that she has been given um a promise uh that she would be the mother of this

00:23:04.380 messianic lineage um through judah and judah's trying to cut her out of that messianic promise

00:23:11.000 that messianic heritage and so she says no and that's the same thing my point is that's the same

00:23:18.520 thing that um that rachel rachel is you know is doing with uh well rachel does that also with her

00:23:26.340 father laban but my my mistake rebecca does with isaac yeah um rebecca had word as as wes said

00:23:34.400 earlier um you know she had word from the lord the lord gave her a prophetic word that the older

00:23:39.460 shall serve the younger um and then you know paul later on in romans 9 fleshes that out jacob i love

00:23:44.820 but Esau I hated, Romans 9.13. So she has this word. She knows that there's a messianic promise.

00:23:50.520 The promise of the seed to Abraham is now going to go through Isaac, and the Lord has determined

00:23:55.360 before the two twins had ever even been born that the older shall serve the younger, that the

00:24:00.520 messianic lineage would be carried through Jacob and not Esau. And she knows this. The Lord spoke

00:24:06.100 to her, and the obvious assumption is that Isaac knows this, and he doesn't care. Isaac is playing

00:24:12.400 playing favorites. He just likes Esau because Esau makes meals for him and hunts wild game

00:24:18.340 and is a little bit more manly, you know? And so, he's looking over with preference

00:24:26.340 and partiality, a sinful form of partiality, looking over Jacob when he has a word from God

00:24:33.680 Almighty. Isaac is in sin, and, you know, Jim Jordan even talks about this, that Isaac's,

00:24:38.840 At that point, Jacob's able to deceive him because Isaac is physically going blind.

00:24:43.920 And so he puts goat skin, animal skin, attaches it to his arms to appear as though he's hairy

00:24:49.800 like Esau. 0.84

00:24:51.420 But the physical blindness that is intensifying on Isaac is indicative, it's symbolic, prophetically

00:24:59.620 of Isaac's spiritual blindness.

00:25:02.300 That Isaac, as he's growing old, his heart, much like Solomon in many ways, Isaac's not

00:25:07.660 the hero of the story, is my point. His heart is slowly turning from Yahweh. He is actually 0.95

00:25:12.800 forsaking the prophecies and the promises, messianic promises that matter, and going

00:25:19.500 towards his own preference and his own comfort to where he's completely blind. And it's Rebekah,

00:25:25.680 not even Jacob, but it's actually Rebekah, his wife, Jacob's mom, honor thy father and mother,

00:25:32.500 fifth commandment, Jacob's still in the home. He has not, for this reason, a man leaves his

00:25:36.880 father's house. He's not yet married. He's a single young man. He's still in the home.

00:25:41.200 And his mother is commanding him with prophetic, messianic prophetic force and saying,

00:25:46.780 this is your prophecy. The Messiah is on the line. Isaac knows better. He's choosing to be blind.

00:25:52.960 He's as spiritually hardened and blind as he is physically blind. And I am giving you instructions

00:25:58.480 as your mother, and you need to obey me. My mother knows best. And Jacob says, yes, ma'am.

00:26:05.080 there is no guile there is no sin so whether it's tamar or whether it's jacob or whether it's rebecca

00:26:11.100 or whether it's matt walsh not the same level not the same level um but there's a lot on the line

00:26:18.200 there's a lot on the line and there are times where it's okay to rahab would be another case

00:26:22.460 they you know the midwives in egypt there's there's case after case after case and um it is

00:26:30.140 permissible yeah in times of war to righteous ends yeah the point deception righteous deception

00:26:35.800 in times of war to ends that god has ordained either given in that case of rebecca literally

00:26:40.880 told literally prophetically but for us the scriptures how god has spoken this is an end

00:26:45.740 this is good expose the unfruitful works of darkness and you can utilize deception in times

00:26:51.580 like that all right well let's go to our first commercial break and then we'll come back we'll

00:26:56.600 talk a little bit more um about this subject there's more to say there might be more to say

00:27:02.780 but then we also have some announcements we want to talk about our conference coming up many of

00:27:06.420 you have probably seen on x at this point about the film a little bit too yeah we'll talk about

00:27:10.700 yeah so we'll talk about the film some highlights from the film that we enjoyed um and then we'll

00:27:14.860 also want to you know uh talk some shop right response ministry shop and some things that are

00:27:20.160 going on so you've probably seen on x uh that there's some changes to the speaker lineup not

00:27:24.720 that we we didn't make these things happen but we're not in charge um people have their own uh

00:27:31.240 their own prerogative and so uh pastor jeff durbin of apologia who we love and think highly of

00:27:35.960 he decided to step out so we'll get into a little bit of that and uh and some of our plans moving

00:27:41.680 forward and why he stepped out and you know being charitable towards apologia and jeff durbin we have

00:27:46.380 no animosity towards them but giving you guys at least a little bit of the um the reasoning there

00:27:51.320 because i think you deserve to know especially if you've already registered for the conference

00:27:54.380 then I think you deserve to know why Jeff is not coming

00:27:58.260 and why we're going to have to go a different direction.

00:28:00.580 But that was his decision just for the record

00:28:02.500 and we'll get into it a little bit more,

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00:33:19.940 reality let's just be frank um we will not have the same reach we won't um we won't i know andrew

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00:35:40.620 we greatly, greatly appreciate it. All right. Yeah. All right. So, let's get into movie review.

00:35:46.320 This is one of the first ones we do. Maybe if you guys really enjoy it, let us know in the

00:35:49.140 comments. We'll do more. But we all saw the movie last night. I just want to start off with the

00:35:53.760 premise and the title of the movie. So, Matt Walsh's documentary movie, Am I Racist? This

00:35:59.740 term if i was to go to my great-grandfather let's say in the 40s or the 50s and i say great grandpa

00:36:05.180 i saw a movie last night oh what was the movie called am i racist he actually probably wouldn't

00:36:10.180 know what i'm referring to uh nate you can show a chart here we showed this a couple weeks ago

00:36:14.880 this is a google engram and a google engram shows the percentage of a certain word in a given year

00:36:21.340 among all the corpus of the writings that are cataloged by google everything printed or on the

00:36:25.800 so you're not just seeing the raw numbers you're not seeing a word used 200 times one year five

00:36:29.720 years later is being used a thousand because more books are being published you're seeing it as a

00:36:33.400 percentage it's a very helpful way to track how ideas can ebb and flow so what you see on the

00:36:38.440 screen here in the blue line is racism and then the red line is racist and this is the use of this

00:36:44.920 term dating back to 1800 in english i can briefly mention the french and some of the german origins

00:36:50.440 of the word but what you'll notice and especially for anyone that's listening this word was not used

00:36:56.280 almost any time was not used prior to 1938 and was not used at all in any meaningful sense until

00:37:02.740 1960 right racism and racist as terms words ideas concepts did not exist 100 years ago

00:37:12.220 wow did not exist my great-grandfather would say well what word is that you're telling me that for

00:37:17.700 the first time you're telling me this guy made up and uh and the origin so it's a little bit in some

00:37:22.300 french revolutionary literature in the late 1800s but it's really in the 1930s and it's actually

00:37:27.020 it's incredible when you connect the dots uh magnus hirschfeld uh writes this is the man who

00:37:32.400 did some of the first transgender surgeries he actually had an institute for research into all

00:37:37.200 this perverse stuff in germany he writes a book titled racism and its publication in 1938 in the 0.53

00:37:43.400 u.s is one of the first english uses of that word uh the revolutionary communist leon trotsky he

00:37:49.060 uses it in the 30s as well it's tough to tell exactly like what first use of a term really

00:37:53.480 brings it into consciousness but the origins of this term they're not christian right they're

00:37:58.480 not conservative they're not ancient it is a very very newfangled term uh there's little we've we've

00:38:04.540 gotten this another episode so we don't have to do it but the premise of the film am i racist is

00:38:08.840 mostly dealing with an imaginary recent right made up term often used to denigrate and make people

00:38:15.640 very specific people white people feel bad uh so matt walsh goes undercover and uh and asks that

00:38:22.060 question not a little duplicitously am i racist so he goes to black activists and educators uh to

00:38:29.000 people that have written books on this topic and said am i am i racist how do i undo my racism uh 0.90

00:38:34.640 and and they make fools themselves we've got into it you'll have to see the movie i thought it was

00:38:38.460 well done i think he could have gone into some of the history and the second half of uh what is a 0.97

00:38:42.620 woman. He does some of that. He meets with some people that are really knowledgeable, and they

00:38:46.540 walk through the origins of the term. I would like to see a little bit more of that, but it does an

00:38:50.500 incredible job of pointing out just how foolish this whole thing is. And remember, and this last 0.63

00:38:55.340 thing I'll say, you're conservative, often reformed pastors. They were selling you these books,

00:39:00.600 Robin DiAngelo's White Fragility. They were selling, hawking, peddling these books to you.

00:39:05.620 I was in Acts 29.

00:39:06.300 Six years ago.

00:39:06.980 all the way up until 2018 and then i left because i you know acts 29 was woke and and hate hates

00:39:12.960 white people and i mean matt chandler i mean this document like matt chandler straight up said like

00:39:17.580 i will i will bend over backwards to hire a less qualified black man as a pastor

00:39:23.020 than a white man right um just just because right so um yeah so we we left actually in 2018 but we

00:39:31.300 were there for about four years and i remember racecraft leonce crump was recommending from the

00:39:37.280 stage in front of a thousand pastors and their wives um recommending you should read racecraft

00:39:44.260 and uh white fragility was also recommended um in in at acts 29 conferences um they like they uh

00:39:52.920 it wasn't like oh well they were it's it's funny because people think you know of evangelicalism

00:39:57.180 and think well you know some of these guys like in the sbc or this that and the other they were

00:40:01.000 like soft woke um acts 20 i don't know about the sbc i can't speak to that you know john harris

00:40:07.260 could do more william wolf could do more uh jeff wright you know dusty devers those guys you know

00:40:12.680 are in the sbc i've never been an sbc guy um but i can speak for acts 29 there was nothing soft

00:40:18.340 about the wokeness in acts 29 i mean eric mason was on the international board and like personal

00:40:24.440 friends you know like like one of the best friends of matt chandler who was the president

00:40:28.780 and he didn't just recommend a book he literally wrote the book woke church that that that even

00:40:35.060 talked about having black and white spaces distinct black and white spaces on the lord's

00:40:41.180 day at the lord's table um so yeah so this stuff was was um if you think like well yeah robin

00:40:48.160 d'angelo you know yeah like the unbeliever right yeah critical race theory you know people you know

00:40:53.720 in the world we're talking about progressive liberals you know who murder babies and this 0.91

00:40:58.600 and that right uh we're also talking about acts 29 and and while we're on the topic of murdering

00:41:03.200 babies i mean let's just be fair um and say like a lot of these pastors that they're on board for

00:41:08.860 that too like i mean they'll say they're not they'll say they're not but i mean i remember

00:41:13.480 you know what's his name ron something um his real name but his made-up name is uh the bd

00:41:21.980 oh yeah yeah and so um his real name is ron burns i believe is that seriously i don't remember it

00:41:32.980 yeah i'm pretty sure that's it um but again made up name is uh thabiti and uh and abuile

00:41:39.840 but i remember him making arguments this was back in um in 2015 back in 2015 so we're not

00:41:46.860 talking about like trump you know versus you know commie harris but i'm talking like like eight years

00:41:52.600 ago in 2015 he uh made this exact argument with matt chandler matt chandler didn't make the

00:41:59.560 argument with him but it was on a podcast with matt chandler where he said you know what you

00:42:03.700 know the enemy we know is better than you know the one that we don't and we know you know the

00:42:08.020 clinton roadmap because we've had bill you know her husband in the past and blah blah blah and

00:42:13.820 and he and he literally just just carved out an argument he wasn't just saying well we can't vote

00:42:18.160 for trump for these reasons you know so this this election you know you need to vote third party or

00:42:22.960 abstain from voting you know uh no he straight up was saying cast your vote for hillary and at this

00:42:29.740 time like there was a um a sizable difference uh on the sanctity of life and policies between trump

00:42:36.660 in 2015 um and hillary i mean this was this was i'll vote for trump today given the alternative

00:42:44.160 but this was you know you talk about good trump this was golden escalator right trump this was

00:42:49.620 like this was high trump days right this was your new world this is the best trump days you know

00:42:55.240 this is the trump you know that we want where he was like unprovoked you know being asked and just

00:43:01.500 shooting from the hip and saying what he really believed and they're like well what do you don't

00:43:04.660 you think uh do you think that a woman should get a penalization if she has an abortion he's like

00:43:09.120 well yeah of course you know i'm sorry enough to know that's consistent yeah he's like well yeah

00:43:13.540 i know that's consistent the answer has to be yes like he did like god bless him he he hadn't been

00:43:17.700 ruined yet you know like he he hadn't turned into a politician he was still thinking logically and

00:43:22.280 justly and these kinds of things and um so we're talking about the best of trump the most pro-life

00:43:27.220 that he ever was marching at you know at the you know pro-life mark or march for life and uh

00:43:31.960 ready to appoint his three supreme justices to get roe the most pro-life trump which was more

00:43:38.540 pro-life than bush and more pro-life than romney and more like if you voted for those guys then

00:43:43.380 on the life issue trump was better than both of those guys back in 2015 and you got ron burns

00:43:49.800 the bd annabuile um straight up saying not only don't vote for trump but vote for hillary and

00:43:55.800 hillary was he published a gospel coalition article that said evangelical or sorry another

00:44:00.760 pastor from his church evangelical leaders tell us to vote for clinton right saying evangelical

00:44:05.800 leaders you need to go out there tell your congregants this yeah because it's so important

00:44:10.200 um absolutely who are just race hustlers so up until so going no you're right so it's my i know

00:44:17.220 that was a long way of saying going back to the film matt walsh and am i racist and um he's exposing

00:44:23.480 these guys but um exposing robin d'angelo like i mean is there any like if they were if it was a

00:44:32.960 spectrum and dots you know along a line would there would there be any space visible apart

00:44:38.520 from a microscope between jamar tisby and robin d'angelo and hasn't jamar tisby been

00:44:44.780 been platformed to even at southern seminary i think yep less so recently but when he came out

00:44:50.760 earlier they were singing his praises yep and to be the great and praises from being sung also by

00:44:56.440 lincoln duncan yep yep so who wrote the forward to eric mason's woke church book right like it's

00:45:02.920 a shame let me i'll just say this it is a shame because i'll just be frank the daily wire is

00:45:08.740 like i remember when i used to think the daily wire was conservative i'll say it like that right

00:45:17.100 you know like when the daily wire does something you know like you know conservative i'm like

00:45:20.680 that's cute you know but here's the deal i'm super grateful for them i i from time to time i i will

00:45:26.520 pipe into michael knows uh knowles and matt walsh i think they're they're the the best of the daily

00:45:32.000 wire and i'll just leave it at that um but uh but here's the deal they're not that conservative

00:45:38.360 the movie am i rich it was not that conservative it's not it's not and i think matt walsh would

00:45:43.400 even admit that it's just like this is like milk toast this is like like what everyone in the 90s

00:45:48.420 this is what a democrat would have believed in the 90s it's not that conservative this is not

00:45:52.600 like he didn't go into like mlk was funded by jews you know and a marxist and like none of that this

00:45:57.900 is like your milk toast just don't be woke conservatism not not that conservative in other

00:46:03.960 words but i'm grateful for these guys here's my point grateful for these guys and the daily wire

00:46:09.240 because you talk about conservatives wanting to win and doing something and building an institution

00:46:16.000 having capital cash and and garner garnishing power and then wielding it right to make changes

00:46:25.680 in real scenarios like i mean you could argue that uh the reason why glenn youngkin was elected

00:46:32.580 in virginia a couple years ago instead of the other guy who liked tim walls like tim walls

00:46:39.140 was down for killing babies after birth yep if the woman decides she didn't want it then they

00:46:44.120 would leave it on on a stainless steel uh tray right to just to sit that they want to they want 0.99

00:46:50.280 to they want to kill it like give the death blow but they would as trump said in the debate

00:46:55.320 when he was fact checked aka lie checked by abc but what he said is he said essentially or they

00:47:01.560 would essentially or basically execute it right not not literally uh but that but by abandoning

00:47:07.820 the baby you have effectively for all intents and purposes um handed it over to its death it cannot

00:47:14.520 live if you abandon it and tim waltz i think it's six or eight babies that have happened since he

00:47:21.160 signed a bill that allows for that so this is death after birth death of babies legalized after

00:47:27.620 birth and uh and the governor in virginia before glenn youngkin same thing um and and you can make

00:47:35.540 a an ironclad case for the only reason that that baby killing governor is out and glenn youngkin

00:47:43.740 who has his own faults but is far far far far far better is in is because of matt walsh he

00:47:50.800 helped author of anti-childhood transition bill as well in tennessee that i believe passed he was

00:47:57.080 championing it he was promoting it he was working with legislators they have done some good work on

00:48:01.760 the ground well and that was my observation from the movie is that it was clear that the tack

00:48:08.720 that they took was to expose the grift yeah right like they they decided obviously the way we're

00:48:15.400 going to roll this back or move the overton window is not by going into the history like you said

00:48:21.600 wes they went harder with a um what is a woman right they really got under like it was it was

00:48:29.020 funny in some ways but it was disturbing also this one was more of a comedy and the tack was

00:48:34.220 expose the grift we're going to push the overton window back towards sanity by exposing the fact 0.65

00:48:40.160 that all of these people are just race hustlers and grifters right but that's an interesting

00:48:45.920 observation to me because um what does it say about a society every every every society has

00:48:53.860 swear words. Every time period has swear words. We live in a postmodern time where the worst thing

00:49:00.360 that you can do is say something that would challenge how somebody feels, right? And so to

00:49:06.640 call someone a racist is really, all it does is it makes you feel bad, right? It's not even

00:49:13.060 objective, like as Wes pointed out, it's not even objectively a thing. But what it does is it shames

00:49:18.000 you to the group and it makes you feel like a deplorable worthless person and so it's interesting

00:49:25.480 to me that the approach for matt walsh was we're gonna move the window by exposing the grift and

00:49:32.540 not by going after kind of the seedy underbelly as much and it's interesting to me that that shows

00:49:38.700 how much of a control and power this idea of racism has on our culture yeah right like like

00:49:46.540 moving the window what matt walsh's movie did was good but since the 30s 40s and 60s this has become

00:49:54.340 the cardinal sin you cannot recover you cannot recover from this you can recover from an affair

00:50:01.140 you can recover from a hit and run a dui you can recover from having your dogs uh doing dog fighting

00:50:07.240 as an nfl quarterback what's that not you um you know michael vick had the the dog fighting thing

00:50:12.660 and he recovered like you cannot recover from this that that tells me that and and so i think

00:50:19.320 it's when you watch the movie there are parts of the movie that are downright pagan right where

00:50:23.840 they have these rituals these trances these meditation sessions before they talk about

00:50:29.020 their racism and i think i don't know i haven't done the research yet but it would be very

00:50:34.120 interesting to find if there is any sort of pagan connection between this push to label everyone as

00:50:39.480 a racist because it's so spiritual it's it was so quickly a religion right like like anti-racism

00:50:46.780 is a religion it solves ultimate problems it answers ultimate questions it identifies original

00:50:53.820 sin it either does or does not provide absolution to people it is a religious system and in the

00:51:00.500 movie we saw people meditating and contemplating even getting emotional crying and ceremonies as

00:51:07.780 it were like it's i can't think of a religion that's developed faster right 40 40 1960s to now

00:51:15.160 65 years something like that like it's incredible it's incredible so i think all that to say i think

00:51:22.060 it's interesting that the tack was to expose the grift and i bet matt welsh would say there's a lot

00:51:27.560 more work to do here yep i agree um quick question just to pull the chat because we're live right now

00:51:33.780 so you guys are able to interact with us and we'd love to get to some of your questions if you have

00:51:37.660 any um but if you guys could help me out um now if you've been following the channel for a while

00:51:44.120 you know our thoughts on democracy um you know maybe some pros and cons uh primarily cons um

00:51:52.340 you know a a wise believe he's an imam um within uh within you know the muslim religion um but i

00:52:02.920 think he was wise on this point he once said that uh you know democracy is um it's government for 0.92

00:52:10.300 the people by the people of the people but the people are retarded so democracy is actually 0.96

00:52:19.080 government for the retarded by the retarded and of the retarded and i think he nailed it um but 0.95

00:52:25.480 despite all the faults of democracy and certainly our founders were no fans of a raw democracy which 0.97

00:52:30.660 is why they didn't set one up they set up a republic instead despite those things i'm willing

00:52:36.340 to make an exception this once for those of you who are in the chat uh if you would like for us

00:52:42.100 to forever ban american w-a-s-p with dieter mcbusiness if you would like us to ban him from

00:52:50.700 the channel uh what we'll need from you is uh i will need to see let's see in the comment section

00:52:59.040 And let's see if we get 10 people.

00:53:02.640 Nathan will be counting it on the side.

00:53:04.740 If 10 people say ban him,

00:53:07.640 ban American, W-A-S-P,

00:53:10.580 with Dieter McBusiness, 0.89

00:53:12.280 then we will go ahead and ban him.

00:53:14.240 And if you guys don't want to ban him,

00:53:16.840 then just don't say anything.

00:53:19.000 And I, you know...

00:53:20.060 We'll let you have your hat in. 0.67

00:53:21.040 In a true Caesar fashion. 0.94

00:53:22.600 That's right. 0.99

00:53:22.900 I was going to say,

00:53:23.720 this feels like a lacoste.

00:53:25.120 That's right.

00:53:25.760 I'm going to look to you, the people,

00:53:27.280 and he can either live or die okay i'm a merciful caesar and uh and so we'll give him a chance i

00:53:35.920 don't mind it uh because it really does just help the algorithm but um but if it's distracting for

00:53:41.140 you guys who are trying to participate in the chat and you like them out uh then let us know

00:53:45.500 okay so if 10 of you come out in the comments and say ban him um so i i see i see a few so far

00:53:52.040 so if you guys want a band let me know and if not um i then yeah that's fine let's go ahead

00:53:59.320 and uh he'll keep he'll keep helping us out on the algorithm and that's great

00:54:03.020 uh how many bands do we have so far i think we're getting 10 pretty quick here

00:54:06.800 all right so we've got six uh but we do have a couple guys saying hey uh you know don't you know

00:54:14.160 don't have thin skin and leave them uh for the record it's not for me it doesn't bother me because

00:54:18.020 I can literally just turn my head problems off.

00:54:20.860 So, and if we have one troll live,

00:54:23.860 you know, the comments after the fact,

00:54:25.480 you know, they multiply by a hundred.

00:54:27.320 So I'm fine with the trolls.

00:54:28.840 The other thing that I was going to say,

00:54:30.580 go ahead, if you have questions,

00:54:32.420 type in some questions,

00:54:33.240 we'll try to get to them.

00:54:34.860 And then there was something else.

00:54:37.620 What else was I going to say?

00:54:38.800 Oh, there was a,

00:54:39.680 I thought there was a really good comment, Nathan.

00:54:41.340 Can you scroll up to Michael?

00:54:43.560 Yep, that's him.

00:54:44.560 So there's Michael.

00:54:45.620 And then let's keep going higher.

00:54:47.480 He's been fairly active, so he's got a few comments.

00:54:49.820 We'll have to sift.

00:54:51.320 I know the one you're talking about.

00:54:53.140 Go down, go down.

00:54:54.220 That was, yep, right there, right there, right there, right there.

00:54:56.300 Nailed it.

00:54:57.020 Okay, so a couple of you guys in the chat, not just Michael.

00:54:59.180 There was someone else who said this too.

00:55:00.780 I think too legit to quit commented on this.

00:55:03.620 And you guys are all saying the same thing and agreeing with each other.

00:55:07.060 And I just want to be clear.

00:55:08.520 I just want to encourage you guys.

00:55:09.920 First, thanks for following our ministry.

00:55:11.380 Some of you guys, we see your name again and again.

00:55:14.140 And you just, it does matter.

00:55:16.340 like believe it or not it does matter you know when you get uh death threats and just negative

00:55:20.880 hate mail all the time i've had protesters you know at my house and at our church and so um you

00:55:27.260 guys who are actually supportive uh it means the world and if you could please pray pray for my

00:55:32.100 family for their safety pray for the ministry that god uh would use it for his glory and pray for me

00:55:37.740 that we want it back down and uh that he would help us to be wise and to be faithful to be truthful

00:55:43.820 to be courageous and to not compromise and given uh so that's first and foremost thank you guys

00:55:48.680 michael and uh too legit uh to quit and other guys peter sawyer a lot of guys um who just

00:55:55.440 very encouraging thank you um so now uh reading michael's comment a lot of you guys have agreed

00:56:00.160 made this same kind of point and uh and you're right i just want to encourage you one for following

00:56:06.000 the channel and supporting us but two i want to encourage you i think you're right on the money

00:56:09.120 so this is what michael said conservative inc right big con uh conservative inc and that is a

00:56:15.440 thing you're right michael so you're already right uh will only push back on issues that have been

00:56:21.020 settled for at least five years as mainstream thought and you're right and i don't think that

00:56:27.760 we um for the record we've already said it i'll say it once more uh praise god for matt walsh

00:56:32.860 so so we're not here this episode is not to disparage him grateful for matt walsh and what

00:56:37.480 did um but you are right and a number of you have been saying this this same kind of sentiment and

00:56:43.100 agreeing with each other and i just want you to know i agree with you too um you guys some of you

00:56:47.200 worded it like this you said um notice that a movie like this did not come out in 2020

00:56:51.740 yep in the summer of love right when we really really needed it uh you're right and and you're

00:56:57.260 absolutely right and the reason it didn't come out is because the daily wire didn't have the

00:57:00.540 courage to do it in 2020 and also you and i didn't have the courage to go to the movie theater and

00:57:04.620 see it in 2020 um i think i would have but a lot of a lot of people wanted it would have been a flop

00:57:09.380 it would not and so here's the reality you are absolutely right big con is going to um is going

00:57:15.460 to come in and profit uh conservative inc is going to come in i mean quite literally financially

00:57:20.580 profit um on uh battles that still need to be fought it's not pointless okay i'll get to one

00:57:26.900 other group uh spoiler evangelical church that's absolutely worthless okay but first like talking

00:57:33.940 about the guys who are cowardly and late but still the the dragon still has some life in him 0.62

00:57:40.740 he's still breathing some fire he's still wreaking some havoc and and it's and it's worth having the

00:57:47.720 reinforcements that the troops come in to to go ahead and finish the job big con i i categorize

00:57:53.960 big con like that so five years too late uh-huh that's that's true um once once uh you know like

00:58:01.380 I remember when I was pastoring in San Diego, all the Marines would wear shirts.

00:58:05.300 They said, Marines, making things safe for the Army.

00:58:08.200 And it's like, so, you know, so Big Con is like the Army, you know, for all you guys

00:58:12.020 who serve in the Army, thank you for your service.

00:58:13.980 I'm sorry, but it's just, it's a funny joke.

00:58:16.020 I don't actually feel this way about the Army.

00:58:17.760 But the point is the Marines, you know, they would, you know, they would poke fun at the

00:58:21.120 Army and say, like, we go in first, you know, guerrilla warfare, you know, on the ground,

00:58:27.040 you know, and make things, and safe.

00:58:29.100 And so the battle's not done, but, you know, but a lot of it kind of, you know, like we've now got a chance and we've already, you know, we've already captured, you know, an HQ and set up this and now, you know, it's safe for the army to come in.

00:58:42.960 There's still fight, a fight to be fought.

00:58:44.920 And we do really need the reinforcements to actually chop off the head of that dragon.

00:58:49.860 But the dragon is, we've already chopped off half of one of its wings and we've already defamed one of its claws.

00:58:55.680 and we've already, you know, and the dragon is going, you know, a lot slower than it was moving,

00:58:59.920 you know, a little bit earlier because we stabbed it in the side a few times with a couple swords

00:59:03.640 and now, you know, now that the marines have done that, the army comes in. Same thing with,

00:59:08.540 you know, the army in this analogy would be likened to big con, conservative being. And again,

00:59:14.040 I know this is a little shameless. I don't do this often. For you guys who follow the channel,

00:59:18.100 you know, God is my witness and you can bear witness as well. I'm not trying to constantly

00:59:22.660 sing our own praises or plug our own stuff but one of the reasons why ministries like ours matter

00:59:30.000 is because we're like the marines we go in three four five years before daily wire says it

00:59:37.180 and start pushing the ball and that the overton window it's like wow the overton window is moving

00:59:43.000 so fast not by itself right like i mean guys let's just be honest for a second i feel like

00:59:48.600 like the apostle paul would say i must be out of my mind to speak like this yeah but indulge a

00:59:52.740 little fool's talk i've been shipwrecked three times this many death threats and this like it

00:59:57.700 and guys like um and we're not the only ones by far and we're not even the earliest but we we 0.95

01:00:02.900 definitely showed up before big con but um but that said like guys like ad robles guys like john

01:00:08.160 harris guys like i listened to you in 2019 i remember you preaching through first timothy

01:00:13.360 it's funny you even said like critical race theory means if you're a black woman you'll

01:00:17.060 pretty much be president of the united states this is five years ago i said that in 2019 hey be aware

01:00:22.880 this is what's coming into our and i lost a third of my church right yep and arguably uh what

01:00:28.360 happened in 2019 by losing a third of my church is what set the stage right for a division that

01:00:33.800 eventually happened with my elders which by god's grace we've reconciled and i love those men

01:00:37.800 but but the point i'm actually get to go and preach this weekend and i'm so excited to see

01:00:42.380 them um but a lot of a lot of pain came out of a season of losing almost half our church and why

01:00:50.320 because i was saying and like you can go back and watch it was tame this was not like oh joel's

01:00:57.840 unhinged but everybody thought it was right and i got you know uh accused by people who left the

01:01:02.960 church as being quarrelsome and being harsh and not qualified to be an elder and all this and i

01:01:07.020 was saying stuff that was so tame and those same people are probably now watching am i racist in

01:01:12.580 theaters with matt walsh my doppelganger just so happens and god's you know comical providence

01:01:17.300 and laughing right and thinking oh it's perfectly acceptable to save uh to say these things now

01:01:22.540 and all i'd like to say is um you're welcome you're welcome um if it wasn't for not only me

01:01:32.460 But guys like us, guys like John Harris, guys like A.D. Robles, if it wasn't for these guys, the Overton window is shifting rapidly, but it's not shifting by itself.

01:01:47.340 Somebody has to push it.

01:01:48.800 And a few brave individuals will get even outside of the Overton window where you're constantly being firebombed.

01:01:55.800 bombed you've got knives sticking out of your back because someone's pushing from the inside

01:02:02.040 they're getting criticism but on the outside you're getting blasted but you know what really

01:02:06.480 moves overton window when you got half the team pushing from the inside and you got the the marines

01:02:11.940 that's the army on the inside then you got the marines on the outside pulling it you can you

01:02:17.200 can move the overton pretty quick if you push you can move it really quick if you pull and a few guys

01:02:21.920 have been willing to do that that's what sets the stage for five years later as michael was saying

01:02:26.500 the comments for big con to come like the army after the marines have made it safe and and then

01:02:32.220 finish the job and then the last organization that i hinted at earlier kind of a little foreshadowing

01:02:36.920 uh the final institution that comes into the fray uh big con comes five years late and the

01:02:42.340 evangelical church of america comes 15 years too late right 15 i would argue 15 to 50 years too

01:02:49.420 once the dragon is is not only weakened right but it's dead rotted and decaying and all that's left

01:02:56.740 is a little bit of carcass and mainly bones and then they take you know plastic swords you know

01:03:02.060 and and they cosplay and pretend to you know rattle down the bones of the rib cage we're

01:03:06.620 fighting the dragon meanwhile the next living breathing dragon right we're fighting the fascists

01:03:12.220 which don't exist right you mean the 14 follower anon accounts what about communists who are

01:03:19.600 actually congress members or i don't know like the communists who's currently running for president

01:03:24.720 of the united states right so there are living dragons with real institutional power you're not

01:03:29.540 fighting those um but you'll fight the dragons that have already been slain and and it's and it 0.97

01:03:35.920 is i can i must be out of my mind to speak like this but in humor and entertain a little fool's

01:03:41.500 talk here from a guy who lost a third of his church for for taking some of these risks back

01:03:46.940 in 2019 before it was cool you don't get change unless big con the army comes in and gives the

01:03:56.220 death blow once the marines have already made it safe and big con doesn't come in right unless

01:04:01.200 john harris and ad robles and joel webb and other guys like that five years prior were willing to

01:04:06.640 lose not make a profit in the theater for for a you know a theatrical release but lose jobs lose

01:04:15.660 churches lose influence lose friends before anybody was fighting the dragon standing there

01:04:22.360 three little dudes by themselves fighting like a giant mountain dragon with no one else

01:04:27.940 that's that's how this thing happens and then again the evangelical church comes 15 to 50 years

01:04:34.600 late um and actually not only is it embarrassing but it's actually it's sadly far worse than that

01:04:42.140 it's sinister and malicious and intentional because what they do is they actually will

01:04:46.280 fight the dragon late and they only even start fighting the dragon late once the new dragon

01:04:50.780 that's alive and a threat appears and they only fight the dead dragon late to distract others

01:04:55.680 from fighting the living dragon because they're actually in the coffers in the back pockets of

01:05:00.340 the Living Dragon, profiting off of it, like Thabiti and Abouya, like Russell Moore, like

01:05:05.820 David French, like Francis Collins, and there you have it.

01:05:08.940 So it's Courageous Men, then Big Con, then way later, the Evangelical Church.

01:05:15.660 So, Michael, you could not possibly be more right in your comment.

01:05:19.960 Anything you guys want to add before we go to our last commercial break?

01:05:22.900 Then we'll come back, we'll take questions, and we'll talk about Apology and Jeff Durbin

01:05:26.180 in the conference.

01:05:26.860 I'll just add, we talked about being at war and deception.

01:05:28.920 you can say well why does this matter as much like i get gender theory what is a woman i see

01:05:33.200 the destruction there but racism like okay people get branded with this word it's not true of them

01:05:37.840 can't you just shrug it off and if you watch the movie and this was sad uh one of the workshops

01:05:43.260 a facilitator she said what comes to mind when you hear the word white and there are people there

01:05:48.420 that were white and they say james white not james white in this case not what comes to my mind but

01:05:53.460 in the movie so she said what what comes to mind when i say the word white uh simply like a black

01:05:57.640 workshop facilitator there's white people that would be like i cringe i'm ashamed i want to get

01:06:03.460 rid of my whiteness right and white as a identity it's a little too broad i would prefer european

01:06:08.460 anglo protestant christian western but those are people white kind of serves as a catch-all bucket

01:06:14.060 they're ashamed of their heritage there's one commandment that's associated with blessing and

01:06:19.100 it's honor to father and to mother that it may go well with you and these are people not honoring

01:06:24.020 their fathers they have benefited the jobs they have the affluence the comfortable lives uh those

01:06:30.300 all came from the hard work of the fathers uh the the early settlers my goodness the the amount they

01:06:35.740 endured there was a a famine a harsh winter in johnstown i think jamestown 500 600 people living

01:06:43.040 at the start of it 61 were left by spring yeah so they endured tremendous hardship and now we're

01:06:48.060 200 years later and there's white people like yeah i'm ashamed when i hear the word white

01:06:51.820 I cringe. 0.86

01:06:53.280 I don't like it.

01:06:54.460 And when you inoculate 80% of a population, like in a nation like ours, to feel shame, 0.59

01:07:00.620 to hate their heritage, to want nothing to do with it, then you get how bad things are. 0.92

01:07:05.820 So why does it matter?

01:07:07.240 What do you mean we're at war?

01:07:08.600 Even if it is a fake sin, who cares?

01:07:10.620 No, it matters because you're poisoning people against the thing they are to love and to

01:07:15.320 honor, to have affection and fidelity towards.

01:07:17.940 And you can't do that.

01:07:18.820 You cannot have people hate their father and then have a functioning, high trust, commodious, economically prosperous society.

01:07:26.380 You despise your fathers, despise the wisdom they have, you will be destroyed.

01:07:30.940 So that's the war and that's why it matters.

01:07:33.580 That's why we'll have an episode like this and talk about it.

01:07:36.180 These are real people and real ideas that have real consequences.

01:07:38.940 That's right.

01:07:39.440 Well said, Wes.

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01:10:03.320 Real quick, Nate, do we have a promo code?

01:10:06.740 i'm just feeling i'm just you know like caesar you know live or die with the banning thing the

01:10:12.680 thumbs up that we did earlier um and i'm feeling generous uh what do we have a promo that we can

01:10:18.540 give anything already on the books we don't have to make one up we could use dace when i went on

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01:10:57.040 get announced though if you just follow us on on youtube you might miss them because sometimes

01:11:00.800 we'll do like a super deep discount for like 24 hours on twitter you know in in the spirit of um

01:11:07.020 it the timeliness matters because it's usually um correlated with uh someone just said something

01:11:12.780 stupid and they need to be made to feel that's right and you put exactly you put their name 0.85

01:11:18.080 as the promo code because they said something stupid and they need to be and uh by the grace 1.00

01:11:23.040 of god made to feel stupid and so you you do that and so uh if you want the best discounts imaginable 0.97

01:11:28.480 uh just you need to be spending 14 hours a day on twitter and uh and hoping that uh big eva or 0.99

01:11:34.520 mid eva says something stupid because that's going to get you your best chance of uh of joel

01:11:38.680 being real generous using their name as a promo code so um all that being said uh so with jeff 0.90

01:11:44.980 durbin so jeff emailed me um well he he wrote up an email he sent it to christine who's his

01:11:52.780 assistant at apologia and she sent it up up to me and um and he was he was very encouraging so i i

01:11:59.740 have nothing negative to say about jeff durbin and let me just be frank if i did have something

01:12:04.080 negative to say about jeff durbin i wouldn't say it um he uh jeff durbin would have to um

01:12:11.040 If he spent the next 18 months, like, just publicly counter-signaling Right Response Ministries and my friends, you know, like John Harris and A.D. Robles and Dusty Deavers and Brian Silvey and Eric Conn, like, then eventually, yeah, I would probably push back, you know.

01:12:29.060 I tried to push back privately first, but then eventually I would publicly push back.

01:12:33.460 And eventually I would have something negative to say.

01:12:36.300 Because that matters.

01:12:37.300 If you're publicly going against my friends, and not just because they're my friends, but I'm friends with them because I think they're righteous men doing good work, doing the Lord's work.

01:12:48.220 But that's not the case, okay?

01:12:49.720 So let me make that clear.

01:12:50.740 That's not the case, at least as of now.

01:12:53.480 I do not put Jeff Durbin, and I don't think you should either, right?

01:12:56.660 I'm trying to—some young men follow me, and I'm not going to sit here and disparage you.

01:13:03.100 You've already received enough of that, so that's why you follow me.

01:13:06.360 so i'm not going to disparage you but i'm also not going to disparage jeff and uh and so i am

01:13:11.180 going to encourage you not disparage you um in a demeaning um wait because you when i say young

01:13:19.000 men we're talking about a lot of these guys they're 30 years old they have a wife and four

01:13:22.600 children and own their small business like it's really it is it angers me when i see it on twitter

01:13:27.920 um pastors saying you young bucks who don't like so you're you're talking to uh fathers and

01:13:34.940 husbands and business owners who go to confessional churches every Lord's Day, I understand you don't

01:13:41.600 like their rhetoric and their methodology in terms of tactics and tone on Twitter, but

01:13:46.340 you don't get to talk to them as though they're nine years old. You just don't because they're

01:13:51.300 not nine years old. These are grown men. So, you grown men who follow this ministry, I'm not going

01:13:57.060 to disparage you. Thank you for your support. You get enough disparagement. But I'm also not

01:14:01.300 going to disparage jeff durbin i i will encourage you um uh i don't want you to put jeff durbin

01:14:07.040 in uh in the ngmi category if you would be willing this is my request to you uh right

01:14:15.160 response followers if you would be willing um as trump once said you know uh stand down and stand

01:14:22.600 by twitter boys uh you know uh you know ain't on boys uh stand down and stand by uh if the time

01:14:32.380 comes and the time comes but i don't i don't think we're there yet and um and some of you i saw some

01:14:38.200 of you in the comments saying uh 80 role is you know it's joel's conference and 80 seems more

01:14:42.820 upset than joel but one 80 is on our board and so you know he you know he cares he's he's involved

01:14:47.380 he's not paid he doesn't have like some financial interest um but he just ad is a faithful board

01:14:53.280 member he loves our ministry and uh and he's a friend um but that's just this is the difference 0.91

01:14:57.960 between you know the the the latino guy and uh and the fuddy-duddy white dude over here you know

01:15:04.300 like yeah so ad is a little bit more zealous and passionate about yeah that makes sense you know

01:15:09.420 that's kind of that's ad's mo i get zealous you guys know i get passionate too so i don't want

01:15:13.580 to pretend like i don't because for the record he is the latino guy but he is he is publicly known

01:15:18.260 as the reasonable the reasonable latino uh but anyways yeah ad is he's been active on twitter

01:15:23.720 he's been talking about a little bit on youtube um and and he he's maybe taking a little bit more

01:15:28.880 uh forceful but not but not that much he's pretty reasonable you know but a little bit more forceful

01:15:33.920 than me um but as it pertains to me i'm you know i you know joel speaks for joel and that's all i

01:15:39.180 have the authority to speak for. But for me, if you would do me a favor, I just would say,

01:15:44.480 stand down and stand by. We'll see. But stand down and stand by, and let's just give it a month.

01:15:54.380 And you know what? Give it three months, and maybe six, and maybe like I said earlier,

01:15:59.400 maybe even a year and a half. Here's the deal. I want to win. But when we win, by the grace of

01:16:06.580 god when not just if but when we win i would like to be able to look to my left and my right and see

01:16:12.060 that uh that i still have a couple friends left yeah like guys seriously like okay like a year 0.76

01:16:18.640 and a half ago the g3 cn wars right and by god's grace you know i talked to virgil walker this week

01:16:25.300 because he reached out to me to give him the credit that he deserves because you know why 1.00

01:16:31.460 he reached out to me because he's kind because he's a good man and i profoundly disagree with

01:16:39.000 him on christian nationalism he doesn't think that the first table of the law should be legislated by

01:16:44.020 the civil magistrate i disagree with him the westminster confession of faith disagrees with

01:16:49.140 him and john gill a 1689 baptist also disagrees with him um but you know what else i think

01:16:56.460 i think he's a godly kind and courageous man i love virgil walker i love him and um and you know

01:17:07.340 what i i don't i don't want to fight with josh bice or scott annual either i i don't know them

01:17:13.040 as well as virgil but i love those men too um i can we just admit that like maybe we've lost

01:17:20.140 enough friends right i feel like like have like it's one thing when god is supernaturally in his

01:17:26.560 providence and let's be fair everything that this all is his providence so i'm aware you know i'm a

01:17:32.440 card-carrying calvinist but hear me out i think i think you'll get the sense of what i mean it's

01:17:37.200 one thing when god supernaturally is whittling whittling down the army of gideon right where

01:17:42.520 it's like okay you got too many guys let's whittle it down to this and like oh you still got too many

01:17:46.500 guys let's whittle it down to that and then all of a sudden you're left with 300 uh it's one thing

01:17:52.040 when it's when it's the lord's doing and god's doing it so that he might garner for himself

01:17:58.280 the greatest degree of glory possible so that it would be clear that you know it's not by might

01:18:03.460 nor by power but by my spirit says the lord that that that the battle is the lord's and that he's

01:18:07.860 the one who brought about the victory that's one thing when god does it um and if god's doing it

01:18:14.620 then fine god does frustrate alliances at times and god does uh in his providence part even

01:18:22.060 brothers like saul or paul at this point paul and barnabas right and paul didn't go around saying

01:18:29.140 barnabas is a heretic and he's going to hell he's like no of course barnabas is a christian

01:18:32.700 but we can't partner right because you still have to make a decision john mark is coming or he's not 0.83

01:18:38.940 it's not an issue of heresy

01:18:41.380 it's not heresy

01:18:43.140 but you still got to make a decision

01:18:46.040 it's still worth dividing over

01:18:47.620 and so

01:18:49.560 they both bless each other

01:18:52.300 to work in separate portions

01:18:54.060 of the Lord's vineyard

01:18:54.980 neither one anathematizing the other

01:18:57.520 but still dividing

01:19:00.460 and so sometimes God does that

01:19:02.240 but man

01:19:03.540 if God's going to do it

01:19:05.340 he doesn't need our help

01:19:07.320 I guess is what I'm saying

01:19:08.380 If God's going to whittle us down to 300 and then to 200 and 100 and down to 50 and down to...

01:19:14.100 Let God do it, but let it be something that's done by the Lord 0.99

01:19:18.480 and not done by you and me being dumbasses. 0.96

01:19:23.240 Like, honestly, I don't have that many friends to begin with. 0.97

01:19:28.740 I feel like Doc Holliday with Wyatt.

01:19:30.800 He's like, why would you do this?

01:19:32.080 Why would you go, like in my defense, to save my life?

01:19:36.100 you know and Doc Holliday says

01:19:38.100 because you're my friend

01:19:39.160 and Wyatt Earp says yeah but I got lots of friends

01:19:42.100 and I feel like Doc Holliday is saying

01:19:43.740 I don't

01:19:45.080 I had lots of friends

01:19:47.320 back in 2015

01:19:49.240 you know but like Wes you know

01:19:51.460 said you know bringing back up

01:19:53.900 the historic record

01:19:55.260 I've lost a lot of friends

01:19:57.200 and I reckon

01:19:59.480 since we're going with a western

01:20:01.560 tombstone theme I reckon you have too

01:20:04.020 um friendship is precious and it should not be thrown away lightly and um i love james white

01:20:16.240 i see the way that he's engaging and i do not appreciate it i don't think that it's right i

01:20:24.400 disagree i disagree with james white and the way that he's handling himself i disagree on the

01:20:29.620 substance of certain things like the crusades but i also disagree with the um the method i also

01:20:36.440 disagree with a lot of the guys who are taking james white off right now i feel like james white

01:20:43.440 is being angry shaking his newspaper on the front porch um but i feel like also the neighborhood

01:20:49.220 kids are pestering the old man and uh putting dog poop and and bags and lighting it on fire

01:20:56.560 um and neither one is helpful it's just not helpful so i'm just asking you guys again

01:21:03.400 um i'm not going to disparage you you're grown men and uh you guys who follow our channel follow

01:21:08.600 me on twitter you're not just grown men you're good men and uh everybody tells you that you're 0.99

01:21:12.780 crap everybody tells you you're racist everybody tells you you're nazi and i'm just not going to 0.95

01:21:17.260 do it i'm not going to join that team i think you're good men i'm grateful for you i'm grateful 0.99

01:21:22.020 for your support. I wish some of you were older and had your businesses a little longer and were

01:21:28.100 a little bit more successful, so you could actually donate more than $10 to our ministry.

01:21:32.980 It does kind of suck that my falling happens to be the falling that's just getting started

01:21:38.400 financially. But the boomers have money, and the boomers aren't huge fans of Right Response

01:21:46.340 Ministries. But the point is this. I'm not going to disparage you, but I am asking you,

01:21:51.100 respectfully asking you um let's hold off um especially uh with jeff durbin yeah james white

01:21:58.380 might be a little bit different because he's kind of entered the fray and some of you already have

01:22:01.580 too even with that i would still say if we can let's let's dial it back let's dial it back and

01:22:07.140 honor james white he's um we owe him a great debt of gratitude i owe him i owe james white and you

01:22:14.480 do too so um let's honor him and maybe dial it back there but especially with jeff jeff is not

01:22:20.520 on twitter right he's not um disparaging young guys four times a day or what like so

01:22:28.240 i just don't think it's fair so all that being said you know you guys in the chat i see you're

01:22:32.580 like oh you know what's the reason what's the reason um he you know he emailed me and i don't

01:22:38.040 want to read the email online because it was personal and so i don't want to quote his exact

01:22:41.820 words and betray any trust but the gist of it was uh he said that he just is unwilling to share the

01:22:47.260 stage with steven wolf and um and i am unwilling to disinvite steven wolf right um because i love

01:22:55.140 steven wolf steven wolf is a friend and uh not with everything i would have some disagreements

01:23:02.020 but when it comes to about 95 of things it's not just steven wolf is a friend he's also right

01:23:10.160 like he's just right he's right you know he's just right and i think that's part of the reason why

01:23:18.120 you know certain individuals don't necessarily want to talk to him and i'm not saying jeff

01:23:21.600 durbin falls into this category but others i think don't want to necessarily have conversations

01:23:26.440 with steven wolf and he's been asking for a long time um because i think they kind of have a sneaking

01:23:32.100 suspicion that he's right also i know he's right and i can say it publicly you know because i

01:23:36.820 haven't really picked a fight with him i don't have anything to prove uh but others uh if they

01:23:42.240 say steven right uh steven wolf is right then is it like that's like suicide for them because

01:23:46.840 they've spent the last year and a half saying he's wrong you know and so um so anyways that's

01:23:51.820 the reason that jeff gave us um and i think there are other reasons to be fair and again i don't

01:23:56.000 want to speculate and i'm not i'm not gonna betray his trust and read you know a private email that

01:24:00.400 he sent but um he did allude to like there are maybe some other reasons like i just over the last

01:24:06.420 few years i just you guys if you follow this ministry you've seen it i am i'm uh

01:24:12.340 i'm slowly but surely you know continuing i'm not done pushing the overton i can't like some guys

01:24:19.220 kind of you know 2020 they came out anti-woke you know and they pushed the overton in 2020 and 2021

01:24:23.760 and then you know around 2022 this and here we are and we're going to build you know and the flag

01:24:28.920 yeah exactly we're going to build a nice little hobbit hole in the shire here and live here the

01:24:33.080 rest of our lives and and i i still you know feel like uh we've we've got to go further i think we 0.86

01:24:39.960 have to go further and so i'm i'm still pushing um because i i don't want to just get back to the

01:24:44.760 1990s you know i'd like i i want to go way back way back and so um there's a lot of people that

01:24:51.600 need to go back historically theologically also nationally you know mass deportations a lot of

01:24:58.380 people got to go back. And so in every sense of the term. So you guys have been following the

01:25:03.560 ministry. You've been seeing, yeah, I'm still kind of pushing. And I think that's what Jeff

01:25:08.780 was maybe alluding to. Pastor Jeff is, you know, number one, the main reason is he just doesn't

01:25:15.100 feel comfortable sharing the stage with Stephen Wolf. And to be honest, I don't think it's because

01:25:18.340 Jeff is scared or Jeff wouldn't have the talk. Maybe he would be the one guy who would have the

01:25:22.800 talk. The main reason that Jeff isn't going to share the stage with Stephen Wolf is because

01:25:27.160 stephen wolf and james white have been going at it like cats and dogs for a couple months now

01:25:32.540 publicly on x and friend enemy distinction we all follow it i'm not advocating for it i'm not

01:25:39.720 prescribing it i'm describing it i'm just describing a reality that exists we all abide by the friend

01:25:45.000 enemy distinction well guess who one of uh jeff durbin right it's not like oh this is inside

01:25:49.480 information guess who one of jeff durbin's friends is right james white the elder at other his co-pastor

01:25:55.800 of course it is and that's right yeah that's appropriate jeff durbin it's appropriate that

01:26:01.600 he would say yeah i um now i wish he still would come and hash it out we even offered i emailed

01:26:07.800 back christine and we offered and said we'll pay for james white to come also so let's get jeff

01:26:13.080 and james white to come and i will set up um in private we could do it but also i my what i

01:26:18.920 advocated for is i would set up publicly in one of our panels a debate and we can make it formal

01:26:24.140 and time it or we could do it informal and uh and i would moderate and it would be between you know

01:26:29.300 two on one um stephen wolf versus uh jeff durbin and james white and um and i'll give it a little

01:26:36.220 bit more time maybe they will take us out on that offer i i don't want to make the decision for them

01:26:40.760 um i would say probably they won't but who knows maybe they will but the point is this um we love

01:26:46.800 apologia we love jeff durbin and we love james white and we respect him um i wish he was

01:26:54.020 handling things a little bit differently online and for the record i'm sure james white thinks

01:26:59.120 the same about me yes i'm sure he's he was i wish joel webbin was handling things a little bit

01:27:04.280 differently um but uh and stephen wolf love stephen wolf i'm not going to disinvite stephen

01:27:09.560 wolf i think he's right about a bunch of stuff and he's one of my friends and for me call me

01:27:14.720 old-fashioned but i um yes be yes no be no i'm one of those kind of guys you know so i

01:27:23.580 i said yes to steven wolf and so i'm going to keep saying yes yeah and so um i i'm not gonna

01:27:29.360 disinvite him um but i i can see it from jeff's perspective i i don't think i would do the same

01:27:35.940 thing i really don't i think i would just still go and be like yeah let's so let's talk about it

01:27:41.280 um jeff is not willing to do that my guess is it probably has to do with this whole fifth

01:27:48.720 commandment thing the spiritual and ecclesiastical application of it being i think jeff is trying to

01:27:54.040 honor one of his right premier fathers james white and james white i think has been unfair to steven 0.97

01:28:01.540 but honestly as much as i love steven i want to be unbiased steven has been a bit of a jerk to 0.82

01:28:08.100 james white he has i mean steven steven doesn't care it's so funny steven will literally just get

01:28:14.660 on X, and he'll just be like, you know, other people are like, Brian Silvey is much more

01:28:18.380 careful.

01:28:19.420 I mean, Brian, unless he's tweeting about modesty, you know, and then he'll get 30 million,

01:28:24.540 you know, trolls in the comments.

01:28:26.420 But, you know, when he's interacting with someone, Brian's more careful.

01:28:29.580 I try to be more careful.

01:28:31.900 Stephen is not careful.

01:28:33.720 I don't think it's necessarily sinful.

01:28:35.520 Sometimes it might be.

01:28:36.340 But Stephen, for instance, just for those of you guys who aren't on X, God bless you.

01:28:40.620 Maybe you're doing something productive with your life.

01:28:42.320 but for those of you who aren't on x um you know i could basically recap it like this um

01:28:47.920 uh steven will literally respond to james white and and he'll basically say something like um 0.69

01:28:53.500 i do not respect you your degrees are fake you're a joke

01:28:57.400 sacralism doesn't exist yeah sacralism doesn't exist um you know debate me you know like i mean 0.97

01:29:06.040 that's just that's how steven wolf talks to people and i'm not even saying it's right i i but i'm

01:29:11.860 just saying if that's how steven wolf has spoken to james white on more than one occasion and james

01:29:18.520 white could have handled it in my assessment better but he was upset and i could see why

01:29:24.140 you would be upset when someone's talking to you like that um and then you get out in it over

01:29:30.720 sacralism with steven wolf and crusades with a bunch of anon accounts with the laser eyes which

01:29:37.120 we love we love the anon accounts with the laser eyes you got you're our you're our people we love

01:29:41.460 you um but you got all that going on and james white is just you know he's just angry he's shaking

01:29:48.680 his newspaper you know on the front step you know of his porch and the kids are snickering you know

01:29:53.380 as they light another bag filled with dog poop you know and throw it at him which is not appropriate

01:29:58.240 and shouldn't be happening that's the scene that's the context and then if you have a spiritual son

01:30:04.220 in the faith like a paul and timothy situation aka james white and jeff durbin then yeah like

01:30:09.560 he jeff durbin's maybe going to back out of your conference and that's just the way it goes

01:30:14.320 so i no animosity towards jeff durbin no animosity towards james white no animosity towards steven

01:30:21.420 wolf i i know it's crazy because you guys all think i'm extreme but every now and then there's

01:30:26.300 a few guys you get i'll see every now in the comment section people there's a few guys who

01:30:29.840 have watched long enough god bless you guys i appreciate that at least you know three people

01:30:34.580 in the history of the internet have taken notice but a few of you you'll you'll chime in you'll say

01:30:39.080 joel's uh joel's one of the most ecumenical guys um in the reformed camp yeah and uh it's a little

01:30:48.200 self-serving but i'd like to think that's true and so anyways uh apology is still warmly invited

01:30:53.380 but i understand that uh as of now their answer is no and so where are we going to go from there

01:30:57.840 right that's the final question where are we going to go from here uh we've got some i think

01:31:02.620 pretty exciting ideas there's there's a few different ways to slice it um but there's there's

01:31:08.740 some cool ideas yeah uh you know there's i don't know i don't i have not made a decision

01:31:14.380 because i don't i don't know i'm i'm hesitant even how much i should say but i kind of want

01:31:21.260 feedback what do you guys think should we get like a little bit of feedback i wouldn't say

01:31:25.840 anything is definitive but just giving kind of a you're gonna do it anyway yeah

01:31:30.960 unless nathan says no nathan is that look nathan is the shadow elder nathan is the shadow elder

01:31:38.420 yeah he's the guy who says no but he's a deacon so that's kind of what you know deacons some

01:31:41.900 somewhat our shadow i see that gleam in your eye it's coming out yeah so i okay so we we just um

01:31:46.580 i i've just i've got i think some good ideas um one is um and and none of these guys have said yes

01:31:53.480 so i'm not even trying to put them on the spot i'm not even all of them have been asked that's

01:31:57.460 true not all these guys have even been asked but the ones that i'll mention right now okay um

01:32:01.440 so so one idea is i was thinking about getting the new founding guys out so i've reached out

01:32:07.040 to them and we're going to schedule a call and talk and they may want to do it they may not want

01:32:11.200 to do it i may continue to rack my brain i may end up not wanting to do it but i love those guys

01:32:16.520 either way whether we go with them or not um those they're friends they're you know f-r-e-n

01:32:21.520 uh friends and so um uh but that would be nate fisher and i would get that would be kind of cool

01:32:27.000 so you lose jeff but that uh in this scenario we'd get the whole team because um for the price

01:32:32.980 of jeff just being frank you know and part of this is not and this isn't like this is what we offered

01:32:37.340 jeff didn't demand he wasn't like my fee is such jeff didn't do any of that but we just we offered

01:32:42.020 him a pretty generous honorarium and also he's further and would need to fly and do a hotel and

01:32:46.900 all this kind of stuff whereas these guys are are um they're two and a half hours away from us they're

01:32:50.900 in dfw so uh in this scenario we'd have uh we i would try to get nate fisher josh uh abattoi uh

01:32:56.840 timon klein and uh i'd also try to get santiago uh pliego so i'd go for the uh the four horsemen

01:33:03.380 get the whole the whole package and so um bring all four of them out and i'd get them we're going

01:33:08.920 to be able to have like three or four panels so i'd get um i would have uh all four of them

01:33:15.020 utilize all four of them in a panel i would get one or two of them at least one but one or two of

01:33:21.320 them uh depending on you audience and and who you guys would like uh to do a main session uh to take

01:33:28.200 uh jeff's spot there and then i would also maybe even to make it worth their while and see if they

01:33:34.820 might support us a little bit uh with right response and help us with the conference um i

01:33:40.540 might even you know throw in like a sponsored lunch because here's the deal can you grab that

01:33:45.920 book real quick everybody knows but it's but for those of you who don't so i you know i literally

01:33:51.700 wrote the book you know it's i'm not even saying it's a good book but i but but it is the book and

01:33:56.540 i wrote it so i don't write many books but i literally wrote the book fight by flight um all

01:34:01.820 about conservatives and christians relocating right geographically relocating going to places

01:34:06.460 that are more winnable not just retreating but um in advance to the rear right um trying to you

01:34:11.380 know um fighting another battle one that we can win and so uh and the new founding guys have

01:34:16.800 projects you know like ridge runner and things like that where they're they're literally starting

01:34:20.760 whole towns that are conservative and christian and um and and i think the timing i went up and

01:34:29.020 visited nate recently and i if i'm memory serves me i think the timing of our conference and them

01:34:33.820 kind of unveiling another pop project that i i'm not at privy and i don't even have the details to

01:34:38.940 say where it would be and when it would be but but the timing would be in that general ballpark

01:34:43.160 to where we're having a conference and they're about to put some new opportunities for relocating

01:34:47.900 to a conservative christian town um out to the public and so we could do like a sponsored lunch

01:34:52.680 where we fit the bill everybody who's interested gets a free lunch and we could i imagine you guys

01:34:57.460 coming to the conference half of the people at the conference would go to that lunch you could

01:35:00.940 have you know a thousand plus people at the conference 500 of them go to the lunch and then

01:35:05.220 just have nate fisher and josh you know uh abattoi present for two hours and take q a and stuff about

01:35:11.880 here's our project and here's the cost and and um so that's one option is the new founding thing i

01:35:17.240 think that could be a really good partnership with they're very like-minded right so like harris and

01:35:21.880 like uh ad robles and like stephen wolf and like ogden i would say our closest allies are probably

01:35:26.820 the ogden boys uh those are they're the guys that i i make up random excuses to fly to ogden to go

01:35:32.400 visit them like multiple times a year so uh they're probably the closest allies but uh new

01:35:36.660 founding would be you know very we're closely aligned and they're doing great stuff and so

01:35:40.840 that's one option and then like kind of like almost opposite option is maybe we go super normie

01:35:47.640 you know and uh like we've already got you know you've already got the ogden guys you've got

01:35:51.880 isker you've got dusty deavers the christian prince you know just like throwing bills on on 0.93

01:35:57.640 tables to completely abolish porn and abortion and um and you know even sexting with uh you know 0.92

01:36:04.620 inappropriate pictures with someone you're not married to god bless them the christian prince

01:36:08.380 dusty deevers so you know you've got you've got your certainly not normie right speakers at the

01:36:13.300 conference you got the ogden boys you've got steven wolf for goodness sake right that's that's

01:36:17.420 not normie that's that's real that's the real deal um and so maybe you know maybe we can afford

01:36:23.520 to go a little bit you know back back to the whole conversation with michael in the chat the uh we

01:36:28.540 can go to um uh big con you know um conservative inc and so i i had you know i'm not good at

01:36:39.440 keeping secrets this is where michael was getting but like so i had i had a talk with um charlie

01:36:43.840 kirk uh his his previous um executive assistant and here's one of the things so i i understand

01:36:49.700 charlie kirk is um he's big big con um but i will say this i is some of you guys if you know

01:36:56.940 who charlie kirk is turning point usa if you follow him at all uh one i i appreciate him

01:37:02.700 um i don't agree with everything i i would be to charlie kirk's right i'd be i think probably a

01:37:09.640 good bit to his right you know i'm to matt walsh's right you know um as well but same thing we went

01:37:15.940 watch the movie happy to give some money to someone other than degenerate hollywood you know

01:37:21.680 and um and and so grateful for matt walsh grateful for charlie kirk um in in a general sense i do

01:37:29.380 believe he's he's a brother in christ and a christian i you know maybe not the best theology

01:37:34.600 i'm pretty sure he's he's disby and pre-mill and i don't think he's reformed and um but i believe

01:37:40.940 he's a brother in Christ. He has a Christian profession of faith. And politically, he does

01:37:47.420 really good work. He really does. He's a fighter. He's a fighter. He's a fighter. So I had a talk

01:37:53.080 with a guy that I have a relationship with who was his, he's since been, he holds, he's still

01:38:00.860 with Turning Point, but holds a different position, but executive assistant to Charlie

01:38:06.340 kirk so nothing you know friends with him and um and sees him on a daily basis and um didn't get a

01:38:12.240 yes charlie's it's game time it's game time right now with the election and stuff so i i won't get

01:38:16.620 to talk to charlie you know or get an answer about that for a while but that's like so maybe we go

01:38:21.120 the normie route and what i was going to say about charlie's one appreciate him but two i don't know

01:38:24.660 about you guys listening but i have a sneaking suspicion i could be i keep getting disappointed

01:38:29.760 you know like we're causing it feels like every day we get disappointed by somebody who like

01:38:33.200 comes out and is like oh that's an l you know um but i feel like i've seen some w's from charlie

01:38:38.920 lately and a little bit of moving moving right yeah i feel like he's moving with the overton

01:38:44.460 and and moving faster i think than the daily wire and a lot of other kind of um big con right groups

01:38:51.300 for instance uh we did our mlk michael martin luther king episode junior and uh so yeah he's 0.52

01:39:01.740 you know, funded by Jews, and he's a Marxist, and not a Christian, he's in hell, he was

01:39:07.440 a heretic, and was having an orgy, you know, a night before he died, so yeah, not a hero, 0.95

01:39:13.080 not a hero, and set the country back, was not helpful, but you know who else did an

01:39:19.960 episode pretty much exactly like ours?

01:39:22.540 Charlie Kirk, Charlie Kirk did that episode on MLK, like a year ago, was like everybody

01:39:30.100 else quoting him like i just want to get back to martin luther king jr where it's about the content

01:39:34.700 of the character of the heart and not the color of your skin you know and then in one year charlie

01:39:38.960 kurt just like just red pills into infinity and it's like mlk is an op you know and so yeah i've

01:39:46.820 got some hope so anyway so those are two just big you know you could go newfounding you could go

01:39:51.740 you know there are different options um lots of guys that we love um but you know one option

01:39:59.280 that's still on the table

01:39:59.980 I just want to publicly say

01:40:00.880 is an apology

01:40:02.240 it could still come

01:40:03.020 so that door

01:40:04.500 is still open

01:40:05.000 and if they shut it

01:40:06.680 which it seems

01:40:08.780 like they have

01:40:09.340 they shut the door

01:40:10.460 but we won't lock it

01:40:11.580 from the inside

01:40:12.260 we'll leave that door open

01:40:13.820 and so

01:40:14.380 Pastor Jeff

01:40:15.320 and Pastor James

01:40:16.120 we love you

01:40:16.860 you know we love you

01:40:17.640 and if you decide

01:40:19.300 that you want to come back

01:40:20.200 through the door

01:40:20.820 there will always be a spot

01:40:22.540 even if we get Charlie Kirk

01:40:23.800 you know

01:40:24.200 we'll cancel Charlie

01:40:25.300 even if he did say yes

01:40:27.080 we'll say I'm sorry Charlie

01:40:28.080 we we can't have you we don't have room for you we've got james white and jeff durbin

01:40:32.140 now we'll just i'll just cancel my my own session and and let them take it so anyways um love you

01:40:38.020 guys uh thanks for tuning in thanks for following us uh you know for those of you that there's not

01:40:45.060 a lot of you but um but some of you are super faithful and you are supporting us financially

01:40:49.240 and uh it means the world you guys on patreon that every little bit helps that means the world

01:40:55.460 we really appreciate it but especially you guys who have actually made like donations you've gone

01:40:59.900 to right response uh right response ministries.com forward slash donate and some of you like even a

01:41:05.280 couple weeks ago somebody donated two thousand dollars and that literally makes the difference

01:41:09.520 it just makes the difference of whether or not we can pay nathan right that month like that's i

01:41:13.420 mean that's it's tight it's tight and guys dropping your conference doesn't help to be completely

01:41:19.580 honest again no hard feelings but it money money is tight because um because we're the guys we're

01:41:25.700 the marines making things safe for the army we're the guys who are like i could we could be huge

01:41:30.800 you know all i would have to do is uh all the opinions i hold today just wait and see them

01:41:35.540 five years later like every other coward that's what everybody else does and you reward all those

01:41:40.860 other guys with your money and so if you could maybe maybe share a little bit with us so that

01:41:47.300 we can stay in business so that we can go in and make things safe because honestly if you don't

01:41:53.260 support ministries like conversations that matter with john harris and ad robles and joel webin

01:41:57.660 and steven wolf and ogden utah uh king's hall and if you don't support these ministries uh big big

01:42:05.620 con conservative they don't come in five years later right they only come in five years later

01:42:09.920 because we came in first and made it safe um and we can do it and we're willing to do it happy to

01:42:16.340 do it honored to do it for uh a fraction a sliver of the amount of money you give to the daily wire

01:42:23.660 um but we need at least a sliver because nathan has to feed his kids we we can't do it for free

01:42:30.580 so that's all i got you guys i know i talked a lot because it was it was kind of like

01:42:35.640 home based it was it was like personal kind of that's right and it needed to come from me and

01:42:42.180 and the conference and yep so i know i talked a lot this one you guys have any other thoughts

01:42:47.740 we can keep going one word answers to the questions that people did we actually get

01:42:50.940 questions i'm sorry okay let's see uh brothers let me read the very top one the super chat

01:42:59.440 okay super chat uh connor super generous

01:43:02.260 okay okay still soup but let's let's shout them out they deserve some praise this is super sticker 0.67

01:43:10.820 um from connor so he sent the sticker with money i'm so sorry he sent a sticker gosh i'm an idiot

01:43:17.640 okay this is why i used to fly solo and now i got michael and wes it's like because i'm like 0.70

01:43:23.740 alex jones it's like i'm a little retarded um so connor suba he gave ten bucks and just said 0.69

01:43:30.680 thank you and we the only reason we're mentioning it is because ten bucks means something so connor 0.74

01:43:36.120 suba thank you biden's economy oh my gosh ten dollars in biden's economy that's like a million

01:43:39.920 bucks thank you connor very kind okay we did michael's michael's brothers who constantly

01:43:46.340 purity spiral encounter signal what do we do with them this is what you do um right so if you're

01:43:53.540 talking about the abolitionist maybe are you does he mean like in his personal life are we talking

01:43:57.920 on twitter probably brothers in christ broader sphere in the local church i'm sure but then also

01:44:03.560 the broader sphere um this is what i'm doing okay so who was that let's name him let's give him

01:44:08.360 Seth Evans.

01:44:09.240 Seth Evans.

01:44:10.020 It's a good question, Seth.

01:44:10.960 Thanks for writing it in.

01:44:13.020 This is my opinion.

01:44:14.880 Everybody's taking different approaches, right?

01:44:16.960 So like William Wolfe is, William Wolfe is just, he's decided, he's taken the tactic of ain't nobody got time for that.

01:44:23.180 And he's just dunking on abolitionists right now, left and right.

01:44:27.080 You know, like, I mean, he is not being kind.

01:44:29.020 He is not being charitable.

01:44:29.940 He's just like, we've got an election to win. 1.00

01:44:31.400 You guys are idiots. 1.00

01:44:32.360 I, you know, how much is Kamala paying you? 1.00

01:44:35.400 And, you know, and that's about that.

01:44:38.360 That's not my approach. I love William, by the way, and I understand his tactic. I'm not saying he's wrong, but that's not the tactic that I've taken. Dusty Devers is a personal friend. He's coming to our next conference. He came to our last one, and Dusty gave me a call last week, and he just called me of his own free will. I didn't set it up or initiate, and said, hey, Joel, I just wanted to thank you, because I've watched you in the way that you're, again, people don't.

01:45:04.900 You should mention he's an abolitionist.

01:45:07.220 That matters to what you're about to say right now.

01:45:08.260 So Dustin Devers is an abolitionist.

01:45:09.820 And he said, Joel, a lot of guys are just going balls to the wall against the abolitionists because of the Trump thing.

01:45:19.900 And you're not.

01:45:21.520 And you're actually being kind.

01:45:23.200 Like I did a debate with Ben Zaisaloff.

01:45:25.340 And me and Ben are still texting privately.

01:45:28.280 Just me and Ben.

01:45:29.380 And even just today, he shot me a text message about something.

01:45:34.100 and um i think it was white boy summer really uh but the point is um i love ben zeisloff and here's

01:45:41.000 the deal eventually the election will pass yep and two months from now you know who i'd like to

01:45:45.780 still be friends with ben zeisloff right like c.a go back to the the whole point of this this

01:45:51.800 freaking episode is have we not lost enough friends already like i'm tired of losing friends

01:45:57.660 now now there comes a point where it's like your friends they lose you and there's nothing you can

01:46:02.140 do about it and then there comes a certain point where they're they're sabotaging your chances of

01:46:06.440 victory and you've got to call them out and that happens and i've done that um but man i i just

01:46:13.140 i don't want to to publicly ridicule and cancel another friend every other day i'm just tired of

01:46:21.560 it so i like ben zyslaw i think he's wrong about voting for trump and and i think if he just wasn't

01:46:27.200 doing it personally that'd be one thing but he is encouraging and and seeking to persuade other

01:46:32.220 christians to not vote for trump in his state which is a swing state arguably the most important 0.98

01:46:37.560 one pennsylvania i think that that is idiotic i think he is lit i literally think i don't think 0.99

01:46:44.140 he's being paid but i think it would be worth kamala's treasure chest uh her war chest right 0.97

01:46:49.640 to pay ben ben's eyes off right now i mean you have you have fewer allies who are who are serving

01:46:55.880 you better than the abolitionists right now if you're kamala harris i mean like that's how i

01:47:00.240 feel about that is how profoundly i disagree here's the deal though ben loves the lord jesus

01:47:05.520 christ he's my brother he's my friend and he's tired of babies being murdered and he's tired of

01:47:11.860 just choosing the lesser of two evils and i get it i disagree but he's not crazy he's not crazy

01:47:18.140 and i'm not going to cancel another friendship i hope when this election's over that me and ben

01:47:22.620 we'll still be friends you know so dusty and me are friends and so i'm so back to the question

01:47:28.180 seth evans it's a great question thanks for writing it in but what do you do with the guys

01:47:32.080 who are purity spiraling um i don't know man i think you just try your best to be patient

01:47:39.140 and try to and try to honestly evaluate and say like are they purity spiraling maybe i'm

01:47:46.220 compromise spy room maybe i don't know maybe they're right you know like really work it out

01:47:54.200 and if at the end and i did that with the abolitionist issue and i got all the way there

01:47:58.880 all the tenets of abolitionism and their position except for voting in a general presidential

01:48:04.580 federal election that's literally the only thing we disagree on and i got blasted by them for

01:48:09.900 disagreeing on that one point and i blasted a couple of them and then i pulled back and i

01:48:15.100 you know what i'm gonna i'm just not gonna do it anymore i'm not gonna blast all of them like

01:48:19.800 russell hunter i'll blast him because we were never friends and he's perfectly comfortable

01:48:24.440 slandering anyone so i'll blast him um but ben zeisloff is honorable james silberman is honorable 0.55

01:48:33.160 dusty deavers is honorable i'm not gonna so i think what do you do with the purity spiralist

01:48:38.700 i i think what i'm getting at is uh pan out so the purity spiraling according to what you perceive

01:48:45.060 so first you could be wrong second even if you're right your purity spiraling in one instance pan

01:48:51.100 out get the 30 000 foot view and who is this like who are we talking about are we talking about um

01:48:57.400 a bulldog who just everything is a bone and he'll never let go and he's and that's that's all he's

01:49:01.960 ever done in every issue of his entire life in every relationship he has like a just a rich 15

01:49:07.600 year long track record of burning every single relationship he's ever seen had and everyone

01:49:12.840 agrees it's his fault right because there's a couple abolitionists that fit that bill

01:49:16.760 or is it dusty deevers james silberman ben size that's that's not them right it's not fair to put

01:49:24.740 them in that category so if that's your purity spirals um then i i think you remain friends

01:49:30.700 and you just agree to disagree on that issue and uh and you push through it

01:49:35.200 so you guys want to say anything patient patrons or ignore yeah you truly can ignore it yeah you

01:49:43.580 can ignore yep perfectly valid all right what do you think got to end it or is there any other

01:49:50.120 question here someone asked maybe even asked it twice okay apologies to the those that we didn't

01:49:54.400 get to on questions this is baptist 702 as a black man i'm only asking if you believe it would be a

01:49:59.420 good thing if my white brethren and congregations should have qualified black ministers um a little

01:50:05.320 bit of a strange question i'm asking if i think he means like if it's not a seven versus a nine

01:50:10.940 or seven versus an eight if a white congregation can have a black black minister yep certainly can

01:50:15.940 it's permissible yep but a good thing i read that as he said if my white brethren so uh i'm reading

01:50:23.680 that as a church that the demographic is predominantly white and if it would be good

01:50:28.640 for that predominantly white church to have a black pastor is that how you read it right yeah

01:50:32.900 so so i read good in that instance as um as um advantageous like so good as far as biblical

01:50:43.200 permissible uh absolutely uh good in terms of it's it's an added benefit it no definitely let me give

01:50:51.640 an example it's a close family member so i won't like say who or the church but he came in he's

01:50:56.200 pastored a church for a little while and it's more insular farming community that really like

01:51:00.700 they grow up with each other so this church has been around for 40 years he started pastoring in

01:51:04.220 2020 and one of the difficulties that has come up is that there just isn't that shared frame

01:51:09.300 of reference my dad's not a farmer he's actually in the military this is more pacifist it is my

01:51:13.880 father yeah uh like joel i can't keep secrets but but it's a community where there's not as much

01:51:18.820 shared and it's made it difficult this is not even about skin color and it's not right exactly

01:51:23.020 It's just sharing things.

01:51:24.420 And so he's come in.

01:51:25.080 He's done a good job of pastoring, but it is difficult, he's realized, to come into people that have 40 years worth of relationship and a certain vocation and lived a certain place that he hasn't to come in and minister just because there's not a common frame of reference.

01:51:38.500 And so with that, like, well, is it black? 0.69

01:51:40.520 Is it advantageous? 1.00

01:51:42.020 No, it's not. 1.00

01:51:42.640 And actually, being different culturally, it could be a negative.

01:51:45.120 not because the skin color is the problem 1.00

01:51:47.180 but because people from different cultures 1.00

01:51:48.740 it can be tough to minister and pastor with people

01:51:51.120 that you don't have a common

01:51:52.600 shared particularities with

01:51:54.140 but if you've got a guy that grows up in a church

01:51:57.140 and the church knows him

01:51:59.080 and he goes to seminary and he comes back and he becomes a pastor

01:52:01.200 of that church and he and his family spent their

01:52:03.160 whole life there like that's a totally different issue

01:52:04.920 right

01:52:05.320 yeah we had a few guys in the chat

01:52:09.100 say racist bells are ringing

01:52:11.180 I'm sure they are 0.99

01:52:12.620 libtard shut up all right uh what did we decide nate did we get 10 guys uh saying that we should 1.00

01:52:18.500 ban the troll what do you think okay it's an even split here we go here's caesar's decision for the 0.94

01:52:26.320 day he lives he lives so troll uh what was his name nate american wasp dedrick mcbusiness

01:52:35.680 American Wasp with Dieter McBusiness.

01:52:38.460 You live to see another week.

01:52:40.540 All right?

01:52:40.960 So as James White would say, come at me.

01:52:44.260 Come at me another week.

01:52:46.280 All right, guys.

01:52:47.080 We love Apologia.

01:52:48.960 We love Stephen Wolf.

01:52:50.700 We love Ogden.

01:52:52.000 We love Isker.

01:52:53.200 We love the abolitionists with Dusty Deavers and Ben Zeisloff.

01:52:57.280 Just a lot of love this week with Right Response Ministries.

01:53:01.020 Sure would love to see a little bit of that love returned.

01:53:05.680 it would be great if it was mutual so uh everybody love everybody i feel like will

01:53:11.020 ferrell what movie was that semi-pro where he's like he points to the sign on the bus because

01:53:14.520 people are arguing in the back he's like e-l-e read the sign e-l-e everybody love everybody

01:53:19.780 i feel like i'm taking crazy pills like i'm mixing mixing movies now but man seriously we

01:53:25.300 cannot afford um to shoot our friends every other day to where in the end we're all low

01:53:32.820 Yeah.

01:53:33.460 Thanks for tuning in.

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