The NXR Podcast - THE LIVESTREAM - Tel Aviv Ted vs. Tucker Carlson ｜ AIPAC, Israel, & Iran

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00:00:26.800 In the rubble of two world wars and the establishment of the modern state of Israel,

00:00:32.820 a relatively novel theological system exploded in popularity here in America. What was it?

00:00:40.120 Dispensationalism. Now, while dispensationalism traces its roots back to the mid-19th century

00:00:45.820 and steadily grew in popularity in the beginning of the 20th century, it was only with Hal Lindsey's

00:00:52.540 1970 book called The Late Great Planet Earth, published at the height of Cold War fears and

00:00:59.520 the threat of nuclear apocalypse, that this idea of dispensationalism began to firmly grip the

00:01:07.000 American consciousness. For Hal Lindsey, the supposed return of Israel to the land, the 0.53

00:01:12.800 recapture of ancient Jerusalem, and the evangelism of the known world all pointed to an imminent

00:01:19.420 rapture and the end of days. It is understandable that in a world teetering on the brink of mutually

00:01:26.460 assured nuclear annihilation, books full of apocalyptic prophecy began to catch on. But here

00:01:33.920 we are a generation later, the Cold War long over, and many Christians are realizing that we are in

00:01:40.820 this for the long haul. And one of the first orders of business is to convince our leaders,

00:01:46.640 especially our political leaders, that the dispensationalist framing they assumed

00:01:52.340 from decades prior no longer works. A case in point of the collision of dispensationalism

00:01:59.360 with the new right wing is Texas Senator Ted Cruz. Cruz sat down for an interview with Tucker

00:02:06.120 Carlson this past week, thinking that the same old answers about blessing Israel and describing

00:02:12.700 them as our greatest ally would work. Spoiler alert, they did not. This episode is brought to

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00:02:38.860 rightresponseministries.com forward slash donate. So tune in now as we discuss this incredible

00:02:46.680 interview, the fallout, and the quickly approaching end of dispensationalism. And

00:02:53.020 let me personally say that the end of dispensationalism could not come possibly any sooner.

00:02:59.400 ga ga ga good to see everybody it is friday afternoon in the chat i always see you know

00:03:14.080 everybody's saying ga for good afternoon every now and then we'll get someone in the chat and

00:03:18.280 god bless them i love it and if this is you please don't take offense don't feel bad it is an honest

00:03:23.380 mistake anybody could make it it's probably because you're touching grass you're outside

00:03:27.220 you're living your best life now you're not terminally online like wes um but sometimes

00:03:31.800 people say you know like ny or tx and they'll think that like hey everybody's saying where

00:03:38.040 they're from what state they're from and there's just a ton of people hi from all these guys from

00:03:43.220 georgia ga but ga actually stands for good afternoon we are talking about uh dispensationalism

00:03:49.460 we're going to be talking about the tucker carlson and uh senator ted cruz interview and we're going

00:03:54.280 to be talking about um israel right it's something that we've talked a lot about people that you're

00:03:59.000 obsessed with israel um well i mean we're talking about something that very possibly could throw us

00:04:05.620 into world war three okay so uh you're just gonna have to cut me a little slack um this is not an

00:04:11.560 obsession um i would argue that the people who are advocating for our country that is separated by

00:04:17.620 3 000 miles of ocean to for some reason be completely involved in everything going on in

00:04:24.540 the middle east i would say that that's an obsession the position the guy who's saying

00:04:28.320 hey i just think we should stay out of it that doesn't sound like an obsessed guy to me

00:04:32.220 that sounds like a realistic guy to me uh the people are like hey i think we should be involved

00:04:36.800 and we should topple this government and we should uh help israel spark you know world war

00:04:41.180 three um that sounds like an obsession to me all right now you may have noticed that we have a

00:04:45.660 different character who is joining us today for the live stream uh michael belch our very own he

00:04:51.900 is out of town for a little while about a week or so a little longer yeah i think a little longer

00:04:57.120 actually and so uh for the next a couple of live streams today and then also on monday and maybe

00:05:02.680 on wednesday we'll see uh with michael's schedule when he's coming back we wanted to instead of just

00:05:07.040 me and west doing it we could do it we're capable but we decided hey let's go ahead and fill the

00:05:10.940 seat uh with one of our friends who is a member in good standing in our local church covenant

00:05:15.160 Bible Church, if you're looking for a church, Central Texas, and his name is Antonio. Antonio,

00:05:20.500 welcome to the show. Glad to be here. Great. Okay, so we don't want to waste too much time.

00:05:25.620 Let's go ahead and dive in to the first clip. It's a little bit unbearable. It's going to be

00:05:31.080 hard to watch. You'll probably cringe. Hopefully you don't die of cringe, but just grit your teeth,

00:05:36.460 power through. This is about two minutes in length. Tucker Carlson and old Dispy Ted Cruz.

00:05:42.540 here we go terribly but but you suggested it was a strange thing that i said a minute ago that when

00:05:48.460 i came into the senate i resolved that i was going to be the leading defender of israel and what you

00:05:52.300 didn't ask is why so let me tell you why no you said i was obsessed with israel and you had just

00:05:56.300 told me that like your driving motive to get to the senate was to defend israel i'm like i don't

00:06:01.340 think i'm the one who's obsessed with israel okay so tucker words matter uh-huh the and you know

00:06:08.620 that i said i resolved to be the leading defender of israel and you said your driving motive the

00:06:13.780 reason you're in the senate you want to be the leading defender of israel i would think if i

00:06:17.260 ran for senate i'd be like there are people dying of drug odies on the street my driving motive is

00:06:21.760 to fight for texas and america and to fight for jobs and to fight for the constitution

00:06:26.080 and and you played a very very careful word game of a lie the one who said it not me so you still

00:06:33.040 haven't asked why, but I'm going to tell you why. Okay. And the reason is twofold. Number one,

00:06:38.920 as a Christian, growing up in Sunday school, I was taught from the Bible, those who bless Israel

00:06:44.940 will be blessed and those who curse Israel will be cursed. And from my perspective, I want to be

00:06:50.340 on the blessing side of things. Of those who bless the government of Israel? Those who bless Israel

00:06:55.100 is what it says. It doesn't say the government of, it says the nation of Israel. So that's in

00:06:59.220 the Bible. As a Christian, I believe that. Where is that? I can find it to you. I don't have the

00:07:04.500 scripture off the tip of mine. You pull out the phone and use it. It's in Genesis. So you're

00:07:10.020 quoting a Bible phrase. You don't have context for it. You don't know where in the Bible it is,

00:07:13.960 but that's like your theology. I'm confused. What does that even mean? Tucker. I'm a Christian. I

00:07:20.080 want to know what you're talking about. Where does my support for Israel come from? Number one,

00:07:25.840 because biblically we are commanded to support israel but number two hold on hold on you're a

00:07:32.180 senator and now you're throwing out theology and i am a christian i am allowed to weigh in on this

00:07:35.640 we are commanded as christians to support the government of israel we are commanded to support

00:07:40.400 israel and we're what does that mean is we're told those who bless israel will be blessed but what

00:07:44.100 hold on define israel this is important are you kidding i this this majority christian country

00:07:48.440 define israel could do you not know what israel is that would be the country you've asked like

00:07:52.560 49 questions about.

00:07:54.140 So that's what Genesis,

00:07:56.220 that's what God is talking about.

00:07:57.680 The nation of Israel, yes.

00:07:58.900 So is that the current borders,

00:08:00.420 the current leadership?

00:08:01.400 He's talking about

00:08:01.740 the political entity called Israel?

00:08:03.300 He's talking about

00:08:04.040 the nation of Israel.

00:08:04.820 Yeah, nations exist,

00:08:05.960 and he's discussing a nation.

00:08:07.180 A nation was the people of Israel.

00:08:08.660 Is the nation God's referring to

00:08:10.800 in Genesis,

00:08:11.640 is that the same as the country

00:08:13.040 run by Benjamin Netanyahu right now?

00:08:14.520 Yes, yes.

00:08:15.300 It is, okay.

00:08:15.820 And by the way,

00:08:16.540 it's not run by Benjamin Netanyahu

00:08:17.940 as a dictator.

00:08:18.780 It's a democratic country

00:08:20.020 that elected.

00:08:21.080 He's the prime minister.

00:08:22.260 right but just all right so ted cruz said uh you know growing up i went to sunday school and i was

00:08:30.500 taught uh that those who bless israel and i was taught he says from the bible and i just want to

00:08:35.240 go ahead and clarify for a moment here um i have no doubt that growing up in sunday school he was

00:08:40.800 taught that he was not taught that from the bible i think that part should be left out because it's

00:08:45.340 not in the bible and tucker i think did a great job in typical tucker style you know playing coy

00:08:50.260 playing dumb a little bit you know with his tucker carlson charm uh that was not appreciated by

00:08:55.440 ted cruz whatsoever uh but he was like the government of israel and he's like what does 0.98

00:08:59.980 that even mean and and at that point uh ted cruz responds by saying well israel means israel and and

00:09:07.900 i understand that seems pretty straightforward but okay so anything called that calls itself

00:09:12.760 israel um well there's a town in dexas called israel so if we go over there and give free free

00:09:19.880 car washes to all the residents of israel texas will we be blessed by god i think so come on joel

00:09:26.660 you know what he means no but but seriously that is a worthwhile question uh when when you say what

00:09:31.780 is israel matt walsh did what is a woman uh somebody probably not matt walsh as long as he's

00:09:37.000 working for the israeli wire but uh you know matt walsh actually would be great uh but he probably

00:09:42.140 would uh burn the bridge uh with his current employer but somebody needs to do a documentary

00:09:46.520 what is israel because i would i would argue that yes there actually is even in the new

00:09:52.180 testament for new testament christians in the new covenant there is a blessing for those who bless

00:09:57.040 israel but israel has to be defined is it um a place that that just popped up 75 years ago in

00:10:04.780 the middle east or is it the town in texas you know that we can go and do the free car washes

00:10:09.280 for give them free puppies for all the kids you know and and who knows you know we wake up the

00:10:13.940 next morning and our bank accounts are just overflowing um to illustrate the point i i texted

00:10:19.020 or tweeted this out today i said i will be opening an llc called israel tm there's approximately a

00:10:26.460 1875 year gap between the total destruction of israel of the bible biblical israel old covenant

00:10:34.300 israel in 80 70 and the formation of a new modern israel and there's only a 1955 year gap between

00:10:42.520 the israel the bible and my new llc israel tm please send checks to receive your blessing

00:10:50.460 can we not can we not see how ridiculous this is all right west you've lined out the episode

00:10:56.260 first we we want to give some credence there's not a whole lot to give but at least credence

00:11:00.940 not so much to the doctrine but to the people because there are salt of the earth precious

00:11:05.060 christians who just by default have been hoodwinked for 150 years into dispensationalism

00:11:10.440 So we want to break down what is dispensationalism and then do our best to steel man the arguments and especially show charity to the people.

00:11:18.600 Yeah, absolutely.

00:11:19.480 So the origins of dispensationalism, there are those that try to root it farther back sometime in the Middle Ages to first kind of identify dispensational systems.

00:11:27.560 But mostly for the most part, it's the 19th century, around the mid-19th century, that as a system it emerges.

00:11:33.440 And it emerges from an Anglo guy named John Nelson Darby.

00:11:37.560 And Darby was part of a schismatic group, the Plymouth Brethren, which then went on

00:11:42.060 to form some group called, it was like the Exclusive Brethren.

00:11:45.700 And so you have kind of the worst of Protestant schism.

00:11:48.540 And so you have a group that splits off and splits off. 0.99

00:11:50.880 I was very prepared for them to be Baptist. 0.99

00:11:52.820 I was like, this has got to be something.

00:11:54.760 Born of the Baptists.

00:11:56.280 But no, it turns out he was actually a former Anglican minister.

00:11:58.660 And he was frustrated with the worldliness of the church.

00:12:01.520 He was frustrated with all the structure of it.

00:12:03.700 And he's kind of the prototype of dispensationalism.

00:12:06.560 dispensationalism and what dispensationalism is just to describe it to steal manna to equip you

00:12:11.420 so you understand how it works is dispensationalism is a system that says the overarching arrangement

00:12:17.040 of the bible and of god's work in human history is not by covenant so old covenant new covenant

00:12:22.320 that would be covenant theology that is not how god has arranged history in the bible but he's

00:12:27.620 arranged it in dispensations and you can see in this chart here there are some dispensationalists

00:12:32.700 that hold to eight dispensations, some to three.

00:12:35.520 Dispensationalists love them some charts.

00:12:37.960 You think we love charts?

00:12:39.440 Not like they love charts.

00:12:41.600 So you'll see on the screen here, and I'll describe it if you're listening,

00:12:43.960 but most dispensationalists hold to there are seven dispensations.

00:12:47.020 So the dispensation of innocence, that is Adam in the garden.

00:12:51.160 So it's a time where God is working in a certain way with man,

00:12:55.700 and God works with Adam in a time of innocence.

00:12:57.920 Man is set up with a test, and he fails that test.

00:13:00.380 The next dispensation is the dispensation of conscience. 0.71

00:13:03.280 You don't have the written law yet, as you get with Moses. 0.53

00:13:05.980 You don't have God's chosen people called out with Abraham.

00:13:08.940 But it is a time of conscience, and that ends with the flood.

00:13:12.480 So man fails the first two dispensations.

00:13:14.480 The next one is the dispensation in the time of Noah of human government.

00:13:17.860 So again, there's no Abraham, there's no promised people, there's no law written on tablets.

00:13:22.440 But here in this third dispensation, human governments are set up.

00:13:25.420 And man, again, is wicked, and that forms the need for God to call Abraham out and to

00:13:29.360 say, I'll make of you a great nation. I'm going to send the Messiah through your line. So you have 0.97

00:13:34.240 the dispensation of innocence, the dispensation of conscience, the dispensation of human government.

00:13:38.800 Then with Abraham, the dispensation of promise. Then with Moses, the dispensation of law. And

00:13:43.960 those first five lead all the way up to the cross. And in each of those, they're kind of arranged as

00:13:48.040 tests. My dad's actually a pastor and he's a dispensationalist. And so we've talked about

00:13:52.300 this a good bit. And so I'm literally describing what I love him. He's a good godly man. What a

00:13:57.480 good godly man who i disagree strongly with on eschatology would view but he says in each of

00:14:02.140 these there's a test at the beginning and man fails it so with moses and the law god gives a

00:14:06.140 law in leviticus and deuteronomy deuteronomy and he sets up israel but israel ultimately fails it

00:14:11.680 and so then here between the dispensation of law and the dispensation of grace you have the cross

00:14:16.600 where jesus dies for the sins of all those who believe in him a good dispensationist is never

00:14:21.280 going to say that there's two ways to god that prior in the time of moses there was salvation

00:14:25.480 through the law, but now after Christ, it's through the cross, and kind of there was kind of two ways

00:14:29.480 up, they would of course hold that through all time, and the way anyone's ever been saved, is by faith

00:14:34.480 in Jesus. And so that sixth dispensation is the dispensation that we are in right now, the

00:14:38.900 dispensation of grace, where again God has even given his only son, he's died for our sins, and

00:14:44.240 people of the world are commanded to believe in him. But just like the prior five dispensations

00:14:48.800 where man is set up favorably and fails, the expectation is that in the same way, man will also

00:14:54.000 fail this test and this will dovetail nicely with the history lesson we're about to talk about

00:14:58.140 but man fails this test and this leads to the seven-year tribulation and at the end of the

00:15:03.380 seven-year tribulation is the return of Christ and he sets up one final dispensation and this

00:15:08.420 is the dispensation of the millennial kingdom Christ rules and reigns for a thousand years

00:15:13.320 and again at the very end you see this in Revelation 20 once again Satan is loosed and he

00:15:18.780 deceives man. And so there you have it, at the great white throne judgment. God says at every

00:15:24.040 moment, be it human government, be it innocence, be it sending my son, be it me reigning here on

00:15:28.340 earth in the millennium, you have failed every test and I am vindicated. That's the best way I

00:15:33.520 can kind of describe dispensationalism as a system. Again, that differs from covenant theology that

00:15:38.080 views God have worked in a certain way under the old covenant with the anticipation of the new,

00:15:43.680 and then here in the gospel age, the new covenant. But that in a nutshell is dispensationalism.

00:15:47.920 Covenant theology is, in a nutshell,

00:15:50.160 is the idea that there's continuity

00:15:51.720 that runs all the way from Genesis to Revelation.

00:15:55.180 It's the idea that God isn't,

00:15:57.380 he's not changing the dispensationalists,

00:16:00.560 again, to steal man.

00:16:01.340 They don't believe that God is mutable,

00:16:03.880 that God's changing,

00:16:04.820 but they kind of believe that God has an A plan

00:16:06.780 and then a B plan and then a C plan

00:16:08.380 and then, you know, and so on and so forth.

00:16:10.640 Whereas covenant theology is saying,

00:16:12.200 no, all the way back before the foundations

00:16:14.460 of the world were laid in the covenant of redemption,

00:16:16.660 which would be chronologically and logically the first covenant, that the Father covenants with the

00:16:23.160 Son, and the Son covenants with the Father, and they do so by the Spirit to save a people for

00:16:28.820 themselves and their eternal glory by grace. And so it was always grace. The idea of, well,

00:16:36.860 you know, like, why even, you know, was the fall a happenstance? Was this something, was this new

00:16:42.680 knowledge to God? Is God in process? So this gets into open theism and process theology. And

00:16:47.720 is God learning? Is God evolving as time goes on, as he's taking in new information, new events

00:16:54.640 throughout human history? And did God foresee the fall? And if he foresaw the fall and he knew that

00:17:01.360 it was happening, did he just foreknow it? Or does his foreknowledge, does it imply also ordinance

00:17:08.400 that God is involved in orchestrating. And then you can say, well, is God evil then if he

00:17:13.400 orchestrated the fall of man? Well, it depends on his purposes. What are the ends of this plan?

00:17:19.800 And if the end of this plan is so that people would be saved by grace. I mean, even in the

00:17:24.660 New Testament, it speaks of angels longing to look into these things, these things being

00:17:28.920 the gospel of grace, not just a gospel of merit or a gospel of works, which is no gospel at all,

00:17:35.440 but a gospel of free grace. Angels long to look into these things as bystanders because they

00:17:42.060 don't actually experience grace. Angels, a third of them approximately, they send against God and

00:17:47.980 have never been offered a single opportunity of redemption. All they know is God's wrath

00:17:52.560 and judgment. And then other angels, they know God's love. Those unfallen angels who remained

00:17:59.100 faithful to the Lord, they know God's love, but they don't know God's grace. Grace is not just

00:18:04.900 love. Grace is unmerited love, unmerited favor. It's undeserved love. Angels long to look into

00:18:11.720 these things because they have not experienced these things for themselves. There's not one piece

00:18:16.800 of all of creation, both earthly and heavenly, whether it's birds or fish or beasts of the field

00:18:22.660 or whether it's cherubim or seraphim or angelic beings. There's not one piece of all of God's

00:18:27.820 creation earthly or heavenly that has ever been offered grace except for god's elect human beings 0.98

00:18:35.560 made in the image of god who have sinned against him but god determined before the foundations of

00:18:40.480 the world were laid to save them by his grace and and so we believe that grace ephesians chapter one

00:18:48.180 to the praise of his glorious grace to the praise of his glorious grace it's mentioned three

00:18:53.080 different times that the idea of god pre-meditating that god pre-ordained that he would have a fall

00:19:00.460 and he would have his son and he would have his death and his resurrection and redemption

00:19:04.660 is because god is glorified by saving people by his grace and people how does it benefit us

00:19:12.860 people also will benefit for eternity knowing not just the love of god which angels know but knowing

00:19:21.100 a side of God's love that even the angels have not experienced themselves, namely the undeserved,

00:19:27.280 unmerited love of God, which is the gospel of grace. So why did God do it this way? Because

00:19:32.860 it's good for us and brings glory to him. For the same reason God does all things. God does

00:19:38.800 everything. Everything that God does, he does for his glory and for our good, for his glory and for

00:19:44.760 our good and to save people through his son. The atonement that Jesus makes by his death on the

00:19:51.720 cross for sinners who did not deserve it, to save people by grace, God determined before anything

00:19:58.320 was ever made that this would bring him the greatest degree of glory and us the greatest

00:20:04.880 degree of peace and joy and benevolence. And so God did this. That's covenant theology is the idea

00:20:11.500 that god knew what he was doing he had a plan none of it is happenstance he's not in process

00:20:16.580 he's not evolving he's not learning and changing with b plans and c plans as he goes along but he

00:20:23.100 did this from the outset because it's best what do you think yeah no i think what you just laid

00:20:29.360 out is is classic classic you know systematic theology and like this idea that there's

00:20:34.940 continuity and you can talk about typology and seeing uh this sort of arc of redemption both

00:20:41.020 in the Old Testament and the New Testament. And I think, you know, Wes, you've already sort of

00:20:46.400 steel-manned the dispensationalist position, but I think really what it boils down to is an

00:20:51.860 intellectual chasm. I really think it's an intellectual fault, especially with modern

00:20:55.500 dispensationalists, to do the hard work of evaluating Scripture that way, letting Scripture

00:21:02.820 interpret Scripture in the New Testament, sort of doing that diligence is really how you arrive at

00:21:09.800 this position of covenant theology right and regardless of where dispensationalism started

00:21:15.060 like what was the theological lay of the land at the time of you know um darby and schofield

00:21:20.700 i can tell you how it ended up and and how it has ended up yes there are a few outliers john

00:21:26.820 macarthur would be one of them but even in the case of john macarthur by his own admission he

00:21:30.460 says well i'm a leaky dispensationalist so even john macarthur is like well i don't want to be

00:21:36.380 fooling that camp because there's some pretty glaring uh problems but but what i was going to

00:21:42.100 say is that by and large um with the few exceptions of your outliers like john mccarthur here's my

00:21:48.740 point by and large dispensationalists do not have a a big biblical view of god's sovereignty

00:21:56.780 most dispensationalists are armenian most i don't not armenian not speaking of their their you know

00:22:03.960 their nationhood or their ethnicity but arminian theologically speaking um they in other words

00:22:10.700 they don't believe that god is absolutely sovereign over all things um they believe

00:22:15.440 that when it comes to salvation for instance soteriology how god saves that it's synergistic

00:22:20.580 rather than monergistic that god is reaching down and he's reaching down to all and it's those who

00:22:25.620 choose in their own human strength to reach up and you know it's like god did this and i did that

00:22:31.220 and teamwork makes the dream work you know why are you saved well god did a lot um but he couldn't

00:22:36.840 quite bring it home um but i came in you know bottom of the ninth you know in the clutch and uh

00:22:42.420 and you know god did i i mean he deserves some glory he did a lot you know and he did a pretty

00:22:47.220 good job but if it wasn't for me you know i remember when i came into calvinism which would

00:22:52.020 be the alternative view to arminianism i remember i you know i was kicking and screaming you know

00:22:57.400 like no no no no no no no this isn't right you know free will free will man makes a choice

00:23:01.680 and i remember you know trying to somehow resolve the tension between these two positions i remember

00:23:06.820 arguing with a calvinist friend of mine who was just kind of laughing at me as i'm screeching

00:23:11.680 into the void you know struggling with this doctrine and i remember saying well okay all

00:23:15.500 right god did a whole whole whole lot but imagine it you know this kind of analogy i said it's as

00:23:20.580 though uh salvation is everybody's at the bottom of a staircase and it's a really really tall

00:23:25.380 staircase, and God is sitting on his throne at the top, and God determines who to save by who

00:23:30.740 will at least, you know, step on that first stair. And of course, nobody can make it all the way up

00:23:34.800 the staircase, and I'm not even saying that you have to make it halfway, because, you know, it

00:23:39.140 can't be, you know, half of the credit goes to man, and half of the credit goes to God. We'll give God

00:23:43.120 99.9% of the credit, but in terms of his determination of which people to save and which

00:23:49.280 people to not, well, it comes down to human free will, who at least attempts the ascent of this

00:23:57.360 staircase, who lifts up their leg and steps on that first staircase. And then the moment that

00:24:02.540 you do, it's like you can't do it, and you take one step, and you start to falter, but God gets

00:24:07.320 off his throne in his mercy and kindness, and he runs all the way down and catches you and carries

00:24:12.180 you the rest of the way. And I remember my Calvinist friend looked at me, and he said,

00:24:15.320 congratulations on uh on making that first step and and here's the reality is that at the end of

00:24:22.600 the day like um he's like and you are superior to every single person who's in hell and will be in

00:24:29.940 hell because you did something in your own strength that they did not or could not or refuse to do 0.96

00:24:37.620 you took one step further than uh all those who are unbelievers and uh you're better than them 0.88

00:24:44.180 and i want you to feel that you're better you're seething jaw jaw and i remember like hearing him 0.98

00:24:52.220 you know and i was like yeah and i was seething i was mad at the time you know and i was like

00:24:56.700 uh but but what i was mad about is he was calling me out on on my arrogance like there's no way

00:25:03.480 around it and so anyways my point back to dispensationalism is that um most dispensation

00:25:09.500 this would be your independent fundamental Baptist.

00:25:11.540 This would be at least half, if not more, of your Southern Baptist.

00:25:16.060 This would be your general Baptist assembly.

00:25:18.000 This would be pretty much any Baptist you can think of.

00:25:20.940 Your Anabaptist. 0.94

00:25:21.900 This would be, you know, this is, but here's the thing.

00:25:25.160 It's not just one sector.

00:25:26.240 I say Baptist, you know, like, okay, well, that's fine.

00:25:28.280 But we still, you know, there's Presbyterians and Anglicans and Episcopalians.

00:25:31.360 No, Baptist is like 90% of Protestants.

00:25:34.860 90% of Protestants are Baptist.

00:25:37.240 And so the vast majority of Protestants reject covenant theology.

00:25:42.880 And so my point is, going now on the Calvinist side, speaking of God's sovereignty, the vast

00:25:48.420 majority of people who hold to God's sovereignty in all things, including salvation and including

00:25:55.640 his redemptive plan, his covenant from beginning to end, his plan of how he's going to save

00:26:01.380 a people for himself.

00:26:02.860 The people who hold to covenant theology instead of dispensationalism, 99% of them also hold to Calvinism as opposed to Arminianism.

00:26:12.680 There are only a few outliers, and they are rather novel, of a Baptist who is a Calvinist when it comes to how God saves, his sovereignty and salvation, but is not really Calvinistic in a consistent manner across the board, God being sovereign and everything else.

00:26:30.880 and so they are a leaky dispensationalist. And so my point is just to say that for Protestants, 0.52

00:26:37.200 there's covenant theology, and those are the guys who hold to a high view of God's sovereignty in

00:26:43.040 all things. And then there's dispensationalism, and those are the guys who are Arminian.

00:26:49.200 For those who are Reformed Protestants, who have an older Protestant view, think Reformation,

00:26:55.540 the protestant reformation those who hold to a more historic protestant view they are reformed

00:27:01.340 they are calvinistic and they're consistent in their calvinism they're also covenant theologians

00:27:07.640 those who don't embrace a macro view of god's sovereignty in all things they're the ones who

00:27:15.700 reject not only calvinism and the reformed tradition and historic protestantism and have

00:27:20.620 adopted some very novel, very recent endeavor, but also have embraced dispensationalism. And

00:27:26.700 that accounts, again, in terms of Protestants here in America, that would be the vast majority

00:27:32.520 of Baptists, and Baptists are the vast majority of Protestants. So that's most Protestants in

00:27:38.280 America today. And I'll give an example of where this shows up in other areas. For example, the law.

00:27:42.840 About a year to a year and a half ago, Ted Cruz got into an exchange with Tom Askell,

00:27:46.620 a Baptist pastor from Florida over the death penalty for aggravated homosexuality in Uganda

00:27:52.460 and Senator Cruz was criticizing it because because he's and he literally cited Jesus saying

00:27:57.200 well hang on we're in the New Testament and it's judge not when you begin to slice and dice up the

00:28:02.160 Bible well this age is this and this age is this and the law has been fulfilled when you start to

00:28:06.740 do that you lose exactly that continuity all of a sudden you don't have the ability to go back and 0.76

00:28:11.360 say well no god was teaching us something when he made homosexuality up to the death penalty when he

00:28:17.140 made this crime punishable by this then you have to say well that was then that was in that 0.84

00:28:21.260 dispensation we don't really have anything more to add to it you unhitch from the old testament

00:28:26.140 yeah right yeah anti-nomianism is that the natural conclusion from dispensationalism right

00:28:33.040 the law is of a different dispensation right we're done with that yep right and so they would still

00:28:38.360 hold to some measure of a hangover of the moral like they would you know a dispensationist would

00:28:43.520 still say well you shouldn't steal or you know you shouldn't commit adultery or you shouldn't murder

00:28:47.780 go explicitly what's republished in the new testament yeah right and they're not fully like

00:28:51.900 you can be gay is preeminent for the christian today yes yeah exactly so the the laws that they

00:28:57.820 would still hold to moral laws are those which are restated again in the new testament but anything

00:29:03.440 that's not explicitly restated by one of the apostles in the new testament they would say

00:29:08.420 that that law is done and so there are there are certain laws that they would say and and the

00:29:13.760 problem with that is uh for instance um okay so as a new testament christian um bestiality it's

00:29:19.780 on the table right the new testament the apostles there's not one place in the gospels in the words

00:29:25.140 of christ or any of the apostles in the entirety of the new testament that tells me that um that

00:29:30.820 i can't commit bestiality with my dog and we would all say uh yeah you can't do that still

00:29:38.240 off the table that's still off the table that is not on the menu you cannot do that but then if

00:29:43.200 you're saying well chapter and verse chapter and verse actually chapter and verse um well there is

00:29:48.880 a chapter and verse and it's in the old testament which is still a part of our bible it still

00:29:53.400 matters um yeah so there are massive problems with um if you really embrace dispensationalism

00:30:00.320 then um then you're you're unhitching from god's sovereignty in all things including uh soteriology

00:30:07.440 his salvation and and there is some portion of synergism man's works human works that are baked

00:30:14.300 into the the equation of how god saves uh you're losing uh the general equity of much of the old

00:30:20.900 testament law and how it applies for societies and individuals today um there's there's all these

00:30:27.140 things, that you lose. And again, the thing that we're trying to express is that is not the

00:30:31.800 historic Christian position. That is not what Christians have believed down through the ages.

00:30:36.800 And in a big way, because dispensationalist view God is essentially having, because Israel so

00:30:41.700 fully rejected him, they're essentially put on pause, still God's people in a state of rebellion,

00:30:46.760 and the church is almost there to incite envy. So then God says, all right, you guys,

00:30:52.620 my goodness, you are stiff-necked. Now you're still my people, and they hold all of those

00:30:56.740 promises. You heard Ted Cruz do it. Promises in Genesis chapter 12. Well, that applies to

00:31:01.760 not Christians, but that applies to still the literal state, the modern state of Israel. 0.71

00:31:07.960 And so that big thing that dispensationalism does, and it gets us into this mess as it says,

00:31:13.300 nope, now the church has come in and it doesn't fulfill the role of God's people. It comes

00:31:19.260 alongside. And so that's exactly what Ted Cruz is doing here. And let me show you just the verses.

00:31:24.260 this is the verse he goes to reference, and it's from Genesis. Now the Lord said to Abram,

00:31:29.100 get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I 1.00

00:31:33.360 will show thee. And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name

00:31:38.220 great. And thou shalt be a blessing, and I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that

00:31:43.420 curses ye. And in thee shall all the families of the earth be blessed. So for one, Ted Cruz

00:31:49.320 misquotes it because it doesn't say Israel. It's speaking specifically of Abraham.

00:31:54.060 But watch what Paul does in the New Testament. Galatians is your book for this. Galatians 3,

00:32:00.180 7 through 9. Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.

00:32:06.700 The children of Abraham are those that have faith in Jesus. And the scripture, foreseeing,

00:32:12.460 God knowing, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, that's the unrighteous,

00:32:17.880 the sinner through faith preached before the gospel unto Abraham. So he's saying God knew 0.97

00:32:23.920 he would do this. And so all the way back in Genesis, he preached the gospel, the good news

00:32:29.000 to Abraham saying, in thee shall all the nations be blessed. So then they, which be of faith are

00:32:35.220 blessed with faithful Abraham. Paul literally in the new Testament says that verse, that promise,

00:32:40.500 which is good and well and true. Here's who it applies to. He's saying it's not applied to the

00:32:45.140 rebellious Jews today that are persecuting the prophets, that are persecuting the church,

00:32:49.640 that are driving us out. He says that blessing, that's for those who have faith in Jesus. That's 1.00

00:32:54.960 what the Old Testament always arcing towards. And that's the historical Christian position.

00:32:59.280 And Ted Cruz's novel position requires him to carve out this novel view where we have to bless

00:33:04.880 and support and give billions of dollars to the modern state of Israel, where the Bible is very

00:33:09.600 clear that blessing is not about modern Israel. That blessing is about God's people, the church.

00:33:14.760 Right. That I will bless those who bless you, speaking about Abraham and his descendants.

00:33:20.500 And then Galatians tells us who Abraham's descendants are. It is not those who are a Jew 1.00

00:33:26.660 outwardly, but those who are a Jew inwardly, not circumcision of the flesh, but circumcision 0.90

00:33:31.320 of the heart. And these are Abraham's descendants, ye who have faith. It's funny because he references

00:33:39.500 you know growing up his childhood and you know his church experience and and going to uh sunday

00:33:45.480 school um but even in sunday school and this is another massive inconsistency that you find in

00:33:50.800 many baptist churches uh but even in sunday school yeah you probably would be taught um that if you

00:33:55.940 you know if you're an old lady who's sending a portion of your fixed income check you know your

00:34:00.480 social security check to uh you know to netanyahu you know once a month then you're going to receive

00:34:05.560 a blessing you probably will hear that um sadly in in uh some sunday school uh but but here's

00:34:12.580 another thing that i remember learning you know in sunday school was father abraham had many sons

00:34:19.180 and many sons had father abraham and i am one of them and so are you fellow christian we weren't

00:34:26.780 when we sang that even in the in the in the kids songs you know in sunday school when we sang that

00:34:32.560 We weren't saying, and Bibi is one of them, and so is Shapiro, and let's just like, no,

00:34:39.100 we weren't saying that.

00:34:39.980 We were saying Father Abraham had many sons, many nations, right?

00:34:44.400 He's a father of many nations, and spiritually speaking, what it means to be one of his sons,

00:34:49.920 a son of Abraham, a descendant of Abraham, is me and you.

00:34:54.780 And I wasn't taught in Sunday school that if I was a Gentile, I wasn't allowed to sing

00:34:58.180 the song.

00:34:58.580 the point of the song was to say you are spiritual sons of Abraham and that's precisely what Galatians

00:35:04.040 chapter 3 verse 7 through 9 teaches us the blessing is for Abraham and his descendants and

00:35:09.380 his descendants are spiritual not physical his spiritual descendants and it's those who have

00:35:14.920 faith in the seed not seeds plural as Paul elsewhere speaks of but singular the seed is

00:35:21.480 Christ he's the promised seed that would come from Abraham and all those who are attached to him have

00:35:27.160 union with him through faith by the Spirit, they are the true sons of Abraham. And when we bless

00:35:32.800 God's people, Christians, those who have faith in Jesus, Abraham's true spiritual descendants,

00:35:38.280 we will be blessed. And when we're seeking to monetarily, and with our political might,

00:35:45.760 our influence, our military might, our financial might, when we're giving this to bless a country

00:35:52.380 that is literally known, if we're talking about theology, if we're talking in the spiritual realm,

00:35:57.160 You're talking about a country that is built upon not the fact that it believes in Christ

00:36:02.660 and has received Christ, but it's rejection of Christ.

00:36:06.580 So you've just turned the whole thing on its head.

00:36:09.120 You're saying, I'm going to be blessed.

00:36:11.580 And I can just imagine God in heaven saying, why?

00:36:14.860 Why are you going to be blessed?

00:36:16.400 Well, because I am blessing those who hate Christ.

00:36:21.920 And I can see God just like, huh?

00:36:24.160 I'm sorry, what?

00:36:25.160 I'm sorry, come again?

00:36:26.720 So you're saying that I'm going to bless you.

00:36:29.060 I love my son, Jesus.

00:36:31.280 And I'm going to bless you

00:36:32.660 because you are supporting an entire nation of people 1.00

00:36:35.940 who believe that my son is a bastard 1.00

00:36:39.000 and is currently burning in human excrement 1.00

00:36:43.200 in some of the lowest regions of hell.

00:36:46.140 Could you run that by me again, Ted Cruz?

00:36:48.760 That doesn't make any sense.

00:36:50.820 Yeah.

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00:40:06.620 from the Israel lobby, have you?

00:40:08.840 Taken money from the Israel.

00:40:10.100 From AIPAC.

00:40:11.240 So AIPAC raises a lot of money for me,

00:40:12.740 but it's actually a misnomer

00:40:14.020 because the people who raise money are individuals.

00:40:17.060 So it's not the PAC itself,

00:40:18.500 but they're individual members who believe

00:40:20.420 in the American-Israeli friendship and relationship.

00:40:23.620 Is AIPAC a foreign lobby?

00:40:25.600 No, it's an American lobby.

00:40:26.680 It's the AIPAC stands

00:40:27.980 for the America-Israeli Political Action Committee.

00:40:30.140 What is it lobby for?

00:40:31.420 So to be honest, not a whole lot effectively.

00:40:34.380 Listen, I came in to Congress 13 years ago

00:40:39.280 with the stated intention of being the leading defender of Israel

00:40:43.140 in the United States Senate, and I've worked every day to do that.

00:40:46.600 AIPAC, a lot of times, AIPAC, I wish were much more effective.

00:40:52.220 Like, there are folks online who are in the fever swamp of terrified of AIPAC,

00:40:57.540 and AIPAC...

00:40:58.240 I'm not terrified of AIPAC at all.

00:41:00.100 You're the one who seems a little uncomfortable when I'm asking this.

00:41:01.940 No, not uncomfortable at all.

00:41:02.860 I'm just asking what AIPAC does.

00:41:05.320 My understanding, having known a lot of people who work with AIPAC, is that it lobbies on

00:41:09.860 behalf of the Israeli government.

00:41:12.220 Oh, OK.

00:41:13.540 It's objectively wrong.

00:41:14.460 When was the last time AIPAC took a position that deviated from Prime Minister Netanyahu?

00:41:19.860 All the time.

00:41:21.120 Anyone?

00:41:22.100 OK.

00:41:23.720 Let me go back and give a little history.

00:41:25.240 If you want to.

00:41:27.160 So you heard it here first, right?

00:41:28.800 the American Israel Public Affairs Committee doesn't lobby for Israel. That's what we hear

00:41:35.320 from Ted Cruz. That's good to know. I am relieved to hear that. That's great. Yeah, right. So it's

00:41:40.440 the feigning of, you know, uncertainty or a lack of specifics on what exactly APEC does

00:41:48.220 is completely disingenuous. Senator Cruz knows exactly what APEC does. Anything that benefits

00:41:54.180 israel it that is in the interest of israel is is the legislation they push for and almost

00:42:00.520 primarily i i'm not familiar with anything that apac has ever supported outside of

00:42:05.040 sort of those kinds of initiatives um and so so this this whole unwillingness to to get specific

00:42:12.900 about it there is a reason for that right it raises more actually more questions than answers

00:42:17.560 right um so uh yeah i mean it it i think what it tells us is that apac is uh uh i mean any

00:42:26.260 politician taking money from apac and ted cruz being one of those that's higher on the list is

00:42:31.580 he took 1.8 million dollars right across his career two million dollars you're bought and

00:42:37.360 paid for on that issue right i don't know how i mean it would be one thing if it's a you know a

00:42:42.440 pack that's sort of a broad initiative you know we we're an economic pack and we want to see small

00:42:48.760 businesses thrive right and there's all sorts of ways that that can manifest but it's like on this

00:42:53.220 specific pack has one specific intention one motive and any politician who's taking money from

00:42:58.780 them is standing behind that motive right and and especially if they're if you know of all of your

00:43:04.220 fundraising they're a large percentage it's like what are you going to care about when you're in

00:43:07.580 congress right that issue it yeah well said it's one thing if you have a lobbyist group that lobbies

00:43:12.300 for an issue that's domestic that's related to your country right like like what you were saying

00:43:18.160 you know like if you had like some pack that's lobbying you know for small businesses or a pack

00:43:22.140 that's lobbying for um oil and gas is one of the biggest lobbying groups yeah there are groups like

00:43:28.340 we're not saying that there are but the point is but but there's at least some kind of domestic

00:43:33.760 value that they have in mind like we want to benefit you know this sector of america or this

00:43:39.680 class of americans you know this group like um but the idea that there would be um a lobbyist

00:43:45.960 group and that it would be one of the largest ones um that that is for a foreign entity outside

00:43:51.960 of america that's literally lobbying for another country i i just i well at least they're registered

00:43:57.780 as a foreign agent right they're not yeah but but my point is i don't i don't see um i don't see

00:44:06.060 how that is beneficial to america the idea that we would allow a foreign country to lobby in our

00:44:13.860 country with you know millions and millions and millions of dollars that are going to hold all

00:44:18.980 of our american politicians uh hostage or at least you know morally obligate them bind them

00:44:25.580 to benefiting someone else rather than america yeah uh you can take a look on the screen here

00:44:31.600 so when we're talking about packs we're not sitting here talking about a very small political

00:44:36.600 action committee there are shadow money we've talked about it before you could have shadow

00:44:40.040 money divested to a little pack here to win a local race or whatever these are the top three

00:44:45.280 packs that gave money to candidates in the united states never back down inc that's a republican

00:44:51.260 PAC, National Association of Realtors. That's a very bipartisan, real estate, realtors, all of

00:44:57.040 that. And right below it, the third largest one, as far as PAC's two candidates, the American

00:45:02.840 Israel Public Affairs Committee. We're talking about one of the biggest PACs, one of the most

00:45:07.480 influential lobby groups. It was a house race here in Texas, and it was two candidates. And the one

00:45:14.840 guy was a really good right-wing candidate. I think Brandon Harrah was his name. And APAC came

00:45:19.660 in and they asked them questions and he didn't come out and say i don't think they should exist

00:45:23.540 i think we should nuke them he said basically like hey they have a right to exist but america

00:45:27.860 exists for america they poured i think 1.3 million dollars into his house race and he lost it by

00:45:34.500 something like 400 votes that's the type of influence so they'll come in they'll talk to a

00:45:39.600 candidate i'm all in i'm for israel i'll vote for this legislation you write the check and a big

00:45:45.020 amount of that money huge donor do you know is OnlyFans in 2023 the owner of OnlyFans came out

00:45:52.300 and said I'm writing 11 million dollars to APAC for their lobbying efforts here in this year it

00:45:59.160 was a big story so you have this lobby group that isn't required to register as a foreign agent

00:46:04.740 unlike all other if you had a China one that advocated against boycotting China for economic

00:46:10.380 aid to China all of them would have to register this one doesn't so you have a lobbying group

00:46:14.520 that doesn't have to register as a foreign agent.

00:46:16.460 You have it taking money

00:46:17.820 from some of the most degenerate activities

00:46:20.680 that are happening on our soil.

00:46:22.620 And all of that would be good, I think, honestly.

00:46:24.580 Not good, but like, I would get it.

00:46:26.420 If Ted Cruz could sit there with a straight face

00:46:28.280 and just be honest.

00:46:29.600 Yeah, here's what they do.

00:46:30.680 They want us to send them weapons.

00:46:32.180 They want us to send economic aid,

00:46:33.860 BDS, boycotts, divestiture, and something else.

00:46:37.360 We try to avoid them getting boycotted.

00:46:39.860 It's just what I do.

00:46:40.680 I root it in my biblical theology.

00:46:42.360 but he gets so squirmy through the whole thing and this interview is incredible it's the reason

00:46:47.260 we're doing this whole episode on it because this is really the first time I think you've seen

00:46:50.880 someone on the side of Ted Cruz publicly get cross-examined like this like I have not seen

00:46:57.260 a politician of his caliber have to sit down for two hours and answer questions and Tucker could

00:47:02.760 have been a lot harder like for the record like Tucker's I mean these are just like basic questions

00:47:06.500 why don't they have to register as a foreign agent what have you taken this money for what

00:47:10.780 do they actually do that pressure a funny comment from a comic uh treason he said um that i looked

00:47:18.440 up nathan if you can scroll down he said i looked up the only fans owner in an attempt to prove that

00:47:25.040 all porn is not in fact owned by jews but turns out he was jewish again i just thought that was

00:47:34.020 funny yep all right go ahead sorry one of the other claims that he made that i'd like to cross

00:47:37.880 examine is that the u.s only sends three billion dollars to israel because practically speaking

00:47:42.120 for talking about 10 million dollars like in comparison to our budget that's not a big deal

00:47:46.720 take a look at the economic and military aid that we've given israel since 1950

00:47:51.020 in 1950 uh just or 1949 just a year after the marshall plan which was economic recovery for

00:47:58.200 world war ii a hundred billion dollars a hundred billion dollars you can see there the economic

00:48:04.760 aid that's the pink line and the military aid averaging around 40 billion per year in economic

00:48:10.040 aid and your military aid varying again up and down between 10 to 20 billion and there's always

00:48:16.420 something going on so ted cruz says hey three billion is earmarked for this but then what will

00:48:21.160 happen is there will be an event like iran attacking or there will be an october 7th and

00:48:25.240 israel will come to america with the politicians that they've happened to pay and support and

00:48:30.320 donate to and say, we really need an extra $2 billion here or an extra $500 million here.

00:48:36.060 We need armaments.

00:48:37.020 We need weapons.

00:48:38.200 And that's how it works.

00:48:39.320 So Ted Cruz is trying to tell you, look, we're talking about $3 billion as a line item.

00:48:42.820 It's not that much.

00:48:43.980 That's the cap.

00:48:45.300 Completely wrong.

00:48:46.520 We have given hundreds and hundreds of billions of dollars to Israel to support them.

00:48:52.540 Now, of course, there are reasons, especially if your nation is healthy.

00:48:55.020 And this is what Tucker Carlson is getting at.

00:48:56.820 It's one thing if you have a healthy nation where people are thriving and you say, we

00:48:59.940 have some strategic allies that we want to support like vietnam and korea i can understand

00:49:04.900 the impulse to say these poor little nations are going to be crushed by communism unless the u.s

00:49:10.420 comes in and does something that's maybe a potential calculus when your nation is thriving

00:49:14.580 your border is secure uh people have jobs sure but hundreds of billions of dollars now when american

00:49:21.960 i mean home prices are higher than ever americans are struggling be with rent or with groceries

00:49:26.140 to sit there and say, all right, I'm elected by the American people.

00:49:30.020 I represent them.

00:49:31.380 And what the American people need most is billions more to Israel.

00:49:35.440 You have lost the plot.

00:49:37.140 It's a phenomenal return on investment too, right?

00:49:40.020 Billion dollars.

00:49:40.860 You cut a million dollar check to 30 senators like Ted Cruz.

00:49:43.960 You get $100 billion over 70 years.

00:49:46.720 Well, even one of the ways that we give money to Israel is, you know,

00:49:50.380 most foreign nations, if they're in a pinch and they need our help

00:49:53.420 and that we consider them an ally, then you would give it in the form of charity. It would be a

00:49:58.120 donation. But when it comes to charity, any nation that America gives a donation to,

00:50:05.920 they have to actually give us an account on how they're spending it. But in the case of giving

00:50:12.460 loans to a foreign nation, then that rule isn't held. So if it comes in the form of a loan,

00:50:20.000 then you uh that country that receives the loan from america doesn't actually have to

00:50:24.580 be held accountable they can spend it in whatever way they want and um and we don't

00:50:29.380 ever see the records of that so in the case of israel it's the only nation as far as i know

00:50:33.800 that we um we give a loan so we do it in the form of a loan um so that they don't have to

00:50:40.720 give an account for how they're spending the money but then we forgive every single time

00:50:45.040 we forgive the loan so it actually is a charity but we give it in the form of a loan so that

00:50:49.460 Israel has complete, you know, they're completely anonymous in how they spend it. And then with that 0.54

00:50:54.460 loan, at least a portion of it, they turn right back around and buy U.S. Treasury bonds and begin

00:50:59.700 profiting financially off of the interest of our bonds. So they take our money as a loan so that

00:51:05.360 they're not held accountable for how they spend it. And then they take a portion of that and buy

00:51:09.440 our bonds and then they make interest off of our bonds and then spend it all however they want.

00:51:14.540 and for the most part we have no idea some of it you know they may choose voluntarily to say yeah

00:51:20.040 we're doing this and we're doing that but they don't have to say anything and so a lot of it we

00:51:23.800 don't know um we've got to take a moment though real quick uh somebody in the comments uh they

00:51:28.440 brought up an excellent point uh and they said uh if you don't subscribe to the youtube channel

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00:51:40.280 so that it gets out to more people, 0.55

00:51:42.640 then you are a Zionist and you hate Christ

00:51:45.980 and you hate America.

00:51:47.280 And so I wouldn't say that.

00:51:49.420 I think that's a bit much for myself personally. 0.88

00:51:52.900 But under Christian nationalism, 0.94

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00:52:40.220 at right response M. So go ahead and follow us also on X. Okay. Let's hit one more angle that

00:52:46.880 Cruz attempts to defend the United States' relationship with Israel. So we'll play this

00:52:50.940 last clip. All right. Or this second to last clip. Massive benefits from Israel. Israel shares

00:52:57.620 the Mossad as one of the best intelligence sources on the planet. The enemies of Israel, 0.91

00:53:02.820 the people who hate Israel, they all hate us. It's almost a perfect overlap. And so if we tried

00:53:09.580 to recreate, if we're just trying to defend America, we tried to recreate the national 0.86

00:53:13.740 security benefits of our alliance with Israel, it would cost, I don't know, $30 billion, $300 billion. 0.64

00:53:19.940 Sue, can you elaborate? And again, I'm going into this as someone who's always liked Israel

00:53:23.980 and still does. But I also think at this point, given where we are, it's fair to ask rational

00:53:28.920 questions about what the benefits are. Good. So does Mossad share all of its intelligence with

00:53:35.860 us? Oh, probably not, but they share a lot. We don't share all of our intelligence with them,

00:53:40.320 but we share a lot. It's a close alliance. Do they spy domestically in the United States?

00:53:44.100 Oh, they probably do. And we do as well. And friends and allies spy on each other. And I

00:53:48.520 assume all of our allies spy on us. And that's okay with you?

00:53:52.480 You know what? One of the things about being a conservative is that you're not naive and

00:53:56.620 utopian. You don't think humans are all, part of the reason socialism doesn't work is the mantra

00:54:03.860 from each according to his abilities to each according to his needs doesn't work. As a

00:54:07.760 conservative, I assume people act in their rational self-interest. So it's conservative to pay people

00:54:12.560 to spy on you? It's conservative to recognize that human beings act in their own self-interest and

00:54:17.720 every one of our friends spies on us and I'm not. Do you like it? Yeah, so I mean this whole point

00:54:26.160 about what we get in return, right, from all of this aid that we provide Israel, you would expect

00:54:32.300 at minimum to hear, they give us a lot of intelligence. They're our best ally. There's

00:54:37.580 no spying. And you would expect Cruz, you know, a big proponent of giving aid to Israel to say

00:54:43.740 something like that. But instead he balks totally at the notion of whether or not ally spying is

00:54:51.680 okay and and makes this weird argument about self-interest i it's it's just what i think

00:54:59.000 what we're seeing here is that even cruz acknowledges that israel that we're not really

00:55:04.840 getting a unique ally in israel a unique ally right we've got the uk we've got many nations

00:55:11.240 in europe that are allies with us and we share intelligence with but any this this notion of

00:55:16.540 a special relationship with Israel is not evident in his response right yeah and to connect it to

00:55:23.620 this is what I kind of wish Tucker had brought it up but one of the Mossad spying activities

00:55:29.000 was almost certainly Jeffrey Epstein here so his partner Ghislaine Maxwell her father was a Mossad

00:55:35.080 agent his connections to all types of your Barry Weiss's whatever for one it's all over conservative

00:55:41.080 political thought, political action. You have tons of conservatives that have ties here,

00:55:46.960 ties there. They're mentored by or took money from. But a big one was Jeffrey Epstein. And

00:55:51.400 it's almost certain that the big thing that Jeffrey Epstein was doing, he was most certainly

00:55:55.300 a pervert, but he wasn't just doing it for the love of the game. What he was doing was collecting

00:56:00.520 blackmail. That's what one of Mossad's trademark activities is you collect blackmail on a politician

00:56:06.160 by means of recording them doing something terrible.

00:56:09.920 And then you have that.

00:56:11.100 And you don't call it in immediately.

00:56:12.320 You don't call that in for your $250,000 line item for your district,

00:56:16.140 getting maybe another Holocaust museum. 0.69

00:56:18.000 What you call that in for is when the big vote comes,

00:56:20.800 the big guy picks up the phone and says,

00:56:23.020 I would hate for this to get out.

00:56:25.040 I don't need this.

00:56:25.840 I don't need that.

00:56:27.000 I'm just going to need a no vote.

00:56:28.820 And it's likely, I mean, we're talking Bill Clinton.

00:56:31.140 We're talking guys like Bill Gates.

00:56:34.000 Tons and tons of people, high-profile people,

00:56:36.160 visited Jeffrey Epstein's private island and it is not at all unthinkable that he has blackmail

00:56:42.460 on all of them and by virtue of having blackmail on all of them himself then you go to his partner

00:56:47.300 then you go to her father it's very likely Mossad had all of that and I mean think about that that

00:56:52.320 is a way that you just you run a country if you have blackmail on all of its politicians and I'm

00:56:56.760 not talking blackmail like you know when he was in high school he he listened to emo music I'm

00:57:01.740 talking real career ending blackmail you can legitimately without firing a bullet without

00:57:07.720 launching a missile you can literally run a country and for the record he trafficked american

00:57:12.840 girls so well they spy on us but who doesn't oh oh so we have to tolerate foreign agents being here 0.97

00:57:19.980 trafficking our daughters because we like we get good info on sand people who blow themselves up

00:57:26.380 i i just i hate it and we can talk about the consequences of that kind of activity right so 0.56

00:57:32.980 um imagine a scenario where israel is pulling all sorts of levers to get legislation and get

00:57:40.400 specific you know american uh foreign sort of actions foreign diplomacy and and the consequence

00:57:48.220 of that is that we've stood by israel in every major conflict in the middle east uh without fail

00:57:54.280 and as a consequence of really alienated

00:57:58.180 all of their neighboring nations.

00:58:01.000 And so the consequence is that we are hated,

00:58:03.760 that there are chance death to America. 0.98

00:58:05.800 Correct, that's a really good point. 0.83

00:58:06.980 No, that's a great point.

00:58:08.140 When Ted Cruz says, that's a great point,

00:58:10.180 I'll tell you what's not a great point,

00:58:11.960 Senator Ted Cruz.

00:58:13.060 When he says, you know, briefly, he mentioned,

00:58:16.360 well, there's this, you know, almost perfect overlap, right?

00:58:19.360 If this was a Venn diagram, you know,

00:58:20.840 just be a circle of people, you know, 0.83

00:58:23.380 all these countries in the middle east all the sand people you know who hate israel and they 0.71

00:58:26.900 also uh hate america and they chant death to america that's true that's true um but i think 0.97

00:58:33.100 that that argument falls apart pretty quickly uh when you simply ask the question why uh do they

00:58:39.640 hate america because we're 3 000 miles away doing our own thing do they hate america uh just because 0.92

00:58:46.340 we're christian i i think there's some of that right muslims hate christ right they um i think 0.61

00:58:53.080 there's some of that um but in large part they hate america it's like well they don't just hate 0.74

00:58:58.520 israel they hate uh they hate us too and israel is actually you know uh right there on the ground

00:59:03.560 you know our kind of our our stalwart in the middle east on the ground you know that's holding 0.91

00:59:08.360 back the tides of islam dude it makes me think of like napoleon dynamite was like i can throw this 1.00

00:59:14.520 football over that mountain um these these people these muslim countries um they they're not going 1.00

00:59:20.060 to be they throw rocks guys they throw rocks they're not going to be able to throw a rock and 0.99

00:59:24.360 hit us um on the other side of the atlantic ocean that's just that's not going to happen even oh

00:59:29.440 the nuclear and all this kind of stuff they've been days away from nuclear weapons for what 30

00:59:34.120 years now i saw a meme it's like we uncovered an ancient stone in persia from 2 000 years ago

00:59:38.340 and what does it say iran is 14 days away from getting nuclear weapons right exactly and and to

00:59:43.620 be fair i actually think you know i think this time is more valid than some of the other times

00:59:47.420 But I'm just saying that this, you know, boy who cried wolf rhetoric has been going on for about three decades. They're days away from, you know, from nuclear weapons. And I actually think that, you know, there are some valid, you know, objective signs that this time there's, you know, there's some truth in that.

01:00:04.300 but even with their nuclear weapons um there there is no uh discernible objective proof that

01:00:09.780 they're going to be able to um to actually shoot missiles just just having nuclear doesn't give

01:00:15.200 them the technology to actually be able to reach us and so my point is uh well the same people who

01:00:20.140 hate uh israel they also hate america yeah they hate america because we back israel that's why

01:00:26.800 they hate america because all of israel's conflicts in the middle east we side with israel they hate

01:00:33.180 america because we're funding the people who are bombing them we're funding the people who are 0.78

01:00:39.360 killing their babies in in the gaza strip we're funding and we've been doing so for within minutes 0.77

01:00:46.000 of israel declaring itself a country it was lbj right who came out within uh truman truman came 0.90

01:00:52.040 out yeah minutes and said yes we recognize israel as a you know a sovereign uh nation state and so

01:00:57.740 So to just say that, well, one good reason that we should ally ourselves with Israel is because

01:01:03.600 all these enemies that they have are actually our enemies too. And if it wasn't for Israel on the 0.88

01:01:08.180 ground holding back, you know, the Islamic tide, then they begin to ask, one, technologically 0.98

01:01:13.020 speaking, they can't reach us, right? They just, they can't throw rocks over the ocean. Number two, 1.00

01:01:19.160 they hate us because of our participation with Israel. If we weren't backing Israel,

01:01:25.680 number one they couldn't get to us as it currently stands and then number two they would be far less 0.94

01:01:30.520 motivated to try to hurt us even if they could get to us and these are things that we need to take

01:01:35.600 into account real quick i want to mention uh no more clips we have one more clip uh synced up and

01:01:40.640 ready to go but we've already showed uh shown three clips at this point from the tucker carlson

01:01:45.380 and senator ted cruz uh interview and we're not going to show any more because for a second we

01:01:50.600 dropped the stream so we lost uh people in the chat thank you guys for um for making us aware

01:01:55.900 of that uh we figured it out we're back online but for a little bit there we lost the live stream

01:02:00.800 uh due to copyright um uh problems so to be fair right i want to be fair here people you know in

01:02:07.260 the chat they're like it's real cut the stream you know netanyahu bibi he's at it probably did

01:02:12.000 somehow some way um i i am convinced that uh that they had their hand in it but uh as far as we know

01:02:18.340 i don't think it was bibby watching right response ministries and cutting the stream you know um

01:02:22.220 you know personally himself shut it down i think it was actually uh tucker carlson's team saying

01:02:27.820 uh no we did this interview and uh and you guys are not going to get all the credit for it so

01:02:32.580 you got to cut it which legally we are allowed to it's called fair use when you're providing

01:02:35.660 commentary you're providing commentary but it's just but the big guys what we've noticed it um

01:02:40.080 pretty much any clip we and we don't show a lot of clips but anytime we're doing like some kind

01:02:43.720 of response to something we show it's not like we're you know firing up the live stream and

01:02:48.000 showing the full two-hour interview and then at the end we're like hope you enjoyed it you know

01:02:51.300 like our page um we're not some i mean there are some shameless youtubers who actually do precisely

01:02:56.860 that um we we never do that uh because we we have some sense of dignity and uh and and try to you

01:03:03.320 know have a conscience that can allow us to sleep at night but the few times that we have shown

01:03:07.340 clips uh pretty much without fail i think it's exclusively joe rogan yep and and now tucker

01:03:13.360 carlson this is the first time uh that his network so some of the big guys um they're they're pretty

01:03:18.140 in terms of legally it's it's perfectly fair to show lord knows it's fair because um you know you

01:03:23.980 know who gets clipped out and shown on other people's youtube channels all the time this guy

01:03:28.840 right here right wing watch uh they clip me out there's no commentary at all it's just the clip

01:03:33.120 they just repeat your words they literally like our commentary on this is repeating what he said

01:03:36.680 so so that you know people do this all the time we actually do it legally uh by providing you know

01:03:42.620 it's an hour and a half two hour episode and we're showing a grand total of you know seven

01:03:46.560 minutes of content uh but we are not going to show anymore because we don't want the stream to get

01:03:50.620 cut again and tucker carlson as much as we love him uh somebody over there is a little trigger

01:03:55.460 happy on his team you know uh trying to punish right response ministries all right so um we

01:04:00.660 got some super chats and we'll close with thoughts on iran let's head to our last commercial break

01:04:03.980 yeah we'll be right back real quick uh before the commercial break because when we get done

01:04:07.940 with the commercial i want you to be able to give some concluding thoughts with iran and me and

01:04:11.840 Antonio to respond to that and do the super chats. But there's one, and Wes is going to hate it

01:04:17.000 because he's heard me do this a million times, but I'm going to do it as quickly as possible.

01:04:20.380 But there's one comment in the chat that I have to address. Somebody is saying, well,

01:04:25.640 what about Romans 11? What about Romans 11? In a nutshell, this is my position. And I think it

01:04:32.040 absolutely matters. So first, see my published works, right? So me and Pastor Andrew Isker,

01:04:37.580 We did a nine-part series a few months back on all things related to Israel, and especially

01:04:43.280 as it comes to dispensationalism and covenant theology, and what do you do about Romans

01:04:48.560 11.

01:04:49.000 So for those who are wondering, Romans 11 is the text where the Apostle Paul, he says,

01:04:55.240 but Israel will be saved.

01:04:57.200 He's basically speaking to all these Gentile Christians and saying, don't get arrogant,

01:05:01.640 right?

01:05:01.780 Don't be conceited.

01:05:02.580 Don't be prideful, for you are the wild olive shoot branches that were grafted in, but the root

01:05:08.980 supports you. You don't support the root, the root supports you. And the root, for the record there,

01:05:13.520 is not the modern nation state of Israel. Netanyahu, Ben Shapiro, they're not the root.

01:05:18.400 The root is Christ, but what has sprung out of Christ, who is the root, is this Israel tree.

01:05:28.180 but then what god did in his sovereignty and his mercy and this was his plan from the very beginning

01:05:33.880 all the way to the end continuity covenant theology was uh the natural branches of this

01:05:40.180 this um israel tree who the root is christ the natural branches by the rejection of christ

01:05:48.280 they were cut off and then a wild olive shoot with wild olive branches was grafted in so there's not

01:05:54.460 this is a big hit to dispensationalism. There's not two trees, two different sources of God's

01:06:00.900 redemptive plan. These are not two things running parallel, that God's got one plan for Israel,

01:06:06.740 you know, that's his natural born children that he really, really likes. And then there's the,

01:06:10.040 you know, the redheaded stepchild over there, you know, the Gentiles. And he likes the Gentiles. 0.82

01:06:14.940 They're his, you know, adoptive children. And he likes them as far as they're, you know, kind and 0.91

01:06:21.220 and respectful towards their older brother,

01:06:23.220 the biological son, who is Israel.

01:06:24.880 That is not the biblical story. 0.60

01:06:26.760 That is not the story of redemption.

01:06:28.160 It's not two parallel paths.

01:06:29.880 It's not two plans of salvation. 0.52

01:06:31.820 God's doing one thing with Israel, 0.99

01:06:33.180 and then he's doing something else over here with Gentiles. 1.00

01:06:35.580 No, there's one tree. 0.67

01:06:37.000 The root is Christ.

01:06:38.120 He was always the root.

01:06:39.340 Old Testament saints before Christ,

01:06:41.000 they were saved by looking forward to the Messiah

01:06:43.840 and trusting in him.

01:06:45.360 New Testament saints after Christ,

01:06:47.480 we're saved by, again, trusting in Jesus

01:06:49.860 and looking back at Christ and his finished work

01:06:52.680 and his person, his life, death, and resurrection.

01:06:55.380 So anybody from Adam and Eve all the way to you and I,

01:06:59.780 people have only been saved through one source,

01:07:03.060 one means, in one way, and that is faith in Jesus.

01:07:06.840 Looking forward to Jesus or looking back to Jesus,

01:07:10.460 depending your point in human history,

01:07:13.180 in redemptive history.

01:07:14.520 That said, there's one tree, the root is Christ, 0.63

01:07:17.340 and the trunk was Israel, according to the flesh.

01:07:22.860 But then the branches of this tree,

01:07:25.120 individual Israelites were cut off 0.90

01:07:28.680 because of their rejection of Christ,

01:07:30.900 their unbelief, their lack of faith. 1.00

01:07:32.560 And then the Gentiles, all of branches, were grafted in. 0.88

01:07:36.680 And Paul, the argument that he's making in Romans 11

01:07:38.840 is he says, don't be conceited. 0.98

01:07:40.280 You don't support the root, speaking to Gentile Christians,

01:07:42.860 but the root supports you. 0.75

01:07:44.760 And he goes further and says,

01:07:46.140 and if the natural branches were cut off for unbelief um can they not also be grafted back in

01:07:53.020 if you a wild olive shoot if you could be grafted in to this tree that's separate from you um then

01:08:00.960 then the natural branches that were already a part of the tree it's it's actually an even easier

01:08:06.180 more natural grafting process for them to be grafted back in and then here's the final thing

01:08:11.480 He says, if their removal, if these natural branches, the Jews who rejected Christ, if their 0.66

01:08:18.740 removal and separation from the tree meant your salvation, you being grafted in, then what will

01:08:25.260 their inclusion be? So he says, there will be a point. He says, for now, it's temporary and

01:08:30.560 partial. For now, there's a partial hardening over the Israelite people, according to the flesh,

01:08:36.620 that meaning some israelites were still being saved at that time but many were not because

01:08:42.140 there was a partial hardening so there's a bunch of gentiles that are are not trickling in but they

01:08:47.020 are they like a torrent they're they're flowing to christ so there's all these gentiles that are

01:08:53.060 being saved in mass numbers and there are some jews that are being saved but there's a partial

01:08:58.340 hardening so there's less there's a trickle there and what paul's saying is that this hardening is

01:09:04.060 a corporate hardening over natural descendants, natural Israelite people, and that it's partial

01:09:09.820 and that it's temporary. And what he says is that eventually they're going to be grafted back in.

01:09:14.780 And he says, when they were taken out, it meant your salvation, your inclusion. When they're

01:09:19.060 brought back in, that'll mean even more. It'll be even better. That's going to be life from the dead.

01:09:25.880 Now here's how it pertains to Christians today. Many Christians, even those who adopt covenant 0.91

01:09:31.920 theology instead of dispensationalism. I still have a problem with many of them because what 1.00

01:09:38.280 they'll say is, well, I'm not a dispensationalist. I'm a historic Protestant, or I'm a Catholic for

01:09:44.380 that matter, Roman Catholic, or I'm Eastern Orthodox even for that matter. And so what

01:09:48.460 they'll say is, I'm not a dispensationalist. So what I reject is any physical promise that's

01:09:55.080 still in our future, right? Something that's unfulfilled, but will be later on at some future

01:10:00.180 day. I reject any future promises that would be physical, any land promises. So I reject the idea

01:10:08.020 that if Israel somehow collapsed and they no longer had the land and they were no longer a

01:10:13.700 nation state and they became exiles and were kicked out of that country, their own country,

01:10:18.480 and that made 110 countries that they've been kicked out of over the centuries. And now they're

01:10:23.420 nomads again, they're exiles, refugees. The guy who's not a dispensationalist and is saying, 1.00

01:10:29.600 I don't believe there's any physical land promises still in our future for Israel, 0.68

01:10:33.680 natural Israel, according to the flesh. They're basically saying, that wouldn't shake my faith,

01:10:39.580 that wouldn't mess with my theology, I would be just fine. The only thing that I'm holding,

01:10:43.560 Joel, in terms of a future promise yet to be fulfilled, but that will be fulfilled in our

01:10:49.220 future, is spiritual promises. So I'm not a land physical promise guy, I'm a spiritual promise guy,

01:10:55.060 And I'm just holding to Romans 11, Joel. 0.98

01:10:57.580 I'm just holding to Romans 11 that eventually natural Israel, right, the Jews physically, 0.98

01:11:04.960 not spiritual, that these people, physical descendants of Abraham, that they'll be grafted 0.73

01:11:11.020 back in to Christ, that they'll get saved.

01:11:13.580 So I believe that there's going to eventually one day in our future be a spiritual revival 0.99

01:11:18.620 among the natural Jewish people and that they're going to come like a flood to 0.94

01:11:25.020 Christ. And when that happens, that's going to mean, like Paul says in Romans 11, life from the 0.99

01:11:31.220 dead for everybody else, all the other Gentile nations. So essentially, their position theologically 1.00

01:11:36.920 is this. They believe that there's a spiritual revival, salvation in mass for physical Jewish

01:11:44.220 people still to come in our future, and that that will function as a catalyst that when that happens, 0.60

01:11:51.380 all these other Gentile nations, all the other nations of the world, that we're experiencing 1.00

01:11:55.760 some measure of salvation, some measure of Christendom, but there's a giant piece of the pie 0.97

01:12:02.480 of God's global revival for all his people, the Christianization of the world, Christendom

01:12:10.700 reaching South America and reaching Africa. There's a great degree of the blessings of God,

01:12:18.520 salvific blessings of god for all the other gentile nations in the world that hinges upon 0.91

01:12:25.620 the jews getting saved they've got to come back in so that everybody else can experience real

01:12:32.300 revival we've had a good run these last 2 000 years right the gospel has spread to a lot of 0.99

01:12:37.640 places and sure there was like a thousand years a millennia of christendom in the west when it

01:12:42.900 came to european peoples and there's cathedrals and there's you know biblical case law and all

01:12:48.220 these different and that's good you know but that wasn't it we're still waiting for this global life 0.97

01:12:53.800 from the dead revival for all these other non-jewish nations and the contingency is at first

01:13:00.640 israel has to get saved now what does that mean for your geopolitics right theology applied if

01:13:06.240 you think theology applied isn't a thing and that's just for christians ted cruz we're talking

01:13:10.500 about we're talking about world politics uh that are being guided by theology ted cruz is applying

01:13:18.160 his sunday school theology and and and not just him but a ton of other american politicians

01:13:25.180 are are doing exactly what ted cruz did and it could mean the difference in world war three

01:13:31.160 or not okay so theology matters theology applied um here's the deal if you say well i'm not a

01:13:37.600 dispensationalist. It's not a physical land promise thing. You know, they could have the land

01:13:42.040 or not. And we'll, you know, we'll see what happens, what God does in his providence. But

01:13:45.120 one thing that I hold to pastor is Romans 11, a spiritual revival for Israel, physical Israel,

01:13:52.760 according to the flesh, they've got to have a revival. They've got to get saved in mass and

01:13:57.600 become Christians. And until that happens, there's a huge blessing of God for every other nation on

01:14:02.920 the planet that we have to sit around and wait for. What does that obligate you to? Well, what

01:14:08.600 it obligates you to is this. You can say, well, it's not the land, and so that changes everything.

01:14:12.660 It changes nothing. Here's the point. If we're all waiting, the entire world is waiting for the

01:14:18.540 blessings of God to happen for us, and what has to happen as a prerequisite first is Israel getting

01:14:25.160 saved. Well, for them to get saved, even if it's just spiritual, a spiritual revival for Israel,

01:14:30.200 what that means at bare minimum is they have to at least exist they have to survive and you're 0.96

01:14:36.800 talking about a particular people that likes to pick fights with everyone a particular people

01:14:43.180 that has been kicked out of 109 countries and so you're saying that the christian now right if i

01:14:49.280 love the world so even if i don't i'm not particularly fond of israel if i love jamaica

01:14:54.840 if i love uganda if i love the sudan and i want the whole world to experience the blessings of

01:15:01.520 god and and the peace and joy that comes from having union with christ and being a christian

01:15:06.820 if i want 8.3 billion people to not die and go to hell and to receive the blessings that are found

01:15:14.500 in christ i am obligated morally obligated to make sure that israel gets saved and guess what 0.91

01:15:21.560 right now, when Christians go to do evangelism in Israel, they spit on them. So they're not

01:15:26.540 getting saved anytime soon. I think we can all agree with that. So then what do I have to do

01:15:30.960 in the meantime? Well, for them to get saved, at least one thing has to happen. They have to at

01:15:35.620 least survive. And they are doing their darndest to commit suicide pretty much every year. They're

01:15:43.960 literally, they're the squirrely kid on the playground that goes around and is just, you know,

01:15:49.060 sucker punching every single kid and some of those kids twice their size and they're just going

01:15:54.480 around doing this year after year after year after year they have a plan if they lose they'll just 0.97

01:15:58.680 blow the world up the samson option the samson that's literally their plan like if you don't

01:16:02.760 come to our defense america well we will blow you up too right if we're about to go down your 0.98

01:16:08.080 greatest no world i'm taking you down a world without jews and so my point is theology matters 0.91

01:16:12.460 theology is always applied whether somebody's just a professing christian or whether they're 0.94

01:16:16.660 truly regenerate like people are all applying this theology of israel whether they're dispensationalists

01:16:23.900 and it's like it's got to be the land or even if they're not dispensationalists and they're like

01:16:28.160 well i'm a historic protestant or i'm a roman catholic um they still their their interpretation

01:16:33.980 of romans 11 is israel has to survive we as a christian nation are morally obligated to see

01:16:40.160 to their survival so that eventually they can get saved so that all these other countries don't die

01:16:45.060 go to hell that's the theology so my position is i think that this already happened and you can

01:16:52.000 watch a nine part series nine hours of content with me and pastor andrew isker as we talk

01:16:57.500 historically and biblically why we believe that that's the case in 8070 god destroyed the nation

01:17:04.040 state of israel in 8070 we believe leading up to that and at that time that people saw titus coming

01:17:12.460 the Romans coming, sacking Jerusalem, destroying the temple, not one stone left standing on another.

01:17:19.100 And they saw this before their very eyes as the exact fulfillment to what Jesus explicitly said 0.82

01:17:25.340 in the Olivet Discourse of Matthew chapter 24, where he said, you, before this generation,

01:17:30.980 it's not a metaphor. He was speaking literally before this generation passes away. And 40 years

01:17:36.360 later, lo and behold, one generation, the words of Jesus, one of the greatest prophecies ever

01:17:42.040 given by christ himself they come to fruition one generation they do not pass away they're still

01:17:48.420 many of them are still alive who heard the words of jesus at the olivet discourse in matthew 24

01:17:53.220 when he says this is a local judgment he's not speaking of the end of the world he says that

01:17:57.700 you can escape it right don't go and get your tunic you can run and avoid and escape the smog

01:18:03.140 of desolation but you're going to see this thing happen and i believe and there are historians like

01:18:08.420 josephus who was a jew and others that confirmed this that when this took place that many of the

01:18:13.300 jewish people in 80 70 they saw it as the exact fulfillment to the words of christ and they

01:18:18.440 realized in that moment oh my goodness he was right we crucified our messiah and they actually

01:18:24.400 got out many were destroyed and died in jerusalem who did not believe they stayed thinking oh we'll

01:18:31.040 make it god will defend us they stayed and they were conquered and they died but the ones who

01:18:35.840 escaped. They escaped because they saw it as a fulfillment to Christ's words, and they believed,

01:18:42.020 they heard and believed his words, and they said, whoa, this is what Jesus said would happen before 0.87

01:18:46.740 us, this generation passed away. He actually was the Messiah, and we should believe in him,

01:18:51.980 salvation, so they became Christians, and also we should practically obey him by getting out of 0.77

01:18:58.080 Dodge. And so the Jews who lived were the Jews who became Christians. They converted to Christianity, 0.80

01:19:03.420 they believed the words of Jesus and they fleed they escaped from that desolation in 80 70 and 0.67

01:19:09.920 they mingled therefore they no longer have a nation state which means they're now refugees 0.82

01:19:13.480 and other places they committed themselves this is the logical conclusion committed themselves to

01:19:18.840 the apostolic teaching of the new testament that says it is not about one who is a Jew outwardly 0.74

01:19:23.400 of the flesh but inwardly not circumcision of the flesh but circumcision of the heart so they no

01:19:27.640 longer put stock in their Jewishness according to the flesh believe that Jesus was the Messiah 0.60

01:19:32.960 converted to christianity escaped the judgment all the ones who didn't have this heart heart

01:19:38.100 change died stayed and died in the judgment and so now these guys they're christians they're alive

01:19:44.860 and they're not putting stock in the flesh anymore and they don't have a nation state to mingle in 0.92

01:19:50.040 anymore so they're dispersed a dispersion among all these other gentile countries and they likely 0.74

01:19:56.240 logically intermarried with them and so who are the physical jews today here it is nobody 0.71

01:20:02.700 nobody there are palestinians they've swabbed 2 000 year old catacombs underneath israel and 0.79

01:20:11.200 there are palestinians that actually match up more than ashkenazi jews and there are people

01:20:16.180 who argue for the black hebrew israelites and people who argue well the caucasians because

01:20:20.740 they dispersed above the caucus mountain here i love all those views you know why i love them

01:20:24.920 not because i believe i love all those views because i love every time somebody comes to me

01:20:29.420 it says white people are actually the physical descendants. Black people are the descendants.

01:20:33.680 Palestinians are the descendants. Ashkenazi Jews are the descendants. Or here, here's an alternative. 1.00

01:20:39.940 Titus destroyed the temple. The birth records were literally kept in the temple so that God

01:20:45.040 in his providence saw fit that no one would be able to prove who actually was a descendant of

01:20:51.780 Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Why? Because it doesn't matter. Because now what matters is faith in Christ.

01:20:59.060 faith in christ and that revival that life for the dead from the dead revival that paul speaks

01:21:04.680 about in romans 11 i'm not saying that god did not keep his word i'm not saying that the word

01:21:09.620 of god returned void god forbid i would never say that any verse in holy scripture is not true and

01:21:16.860 it will not come to pass what i'm saying is it is it paul in romans 11 which i date romans being

01:21:23.120 written probably 80, 55, 80, 60, something like that. He writes this. And for him, it was in his

01:21:29.220 future. And for the immediate audience that received his letter to the Romans, it was in

01:21:34.200 their future. And it was fulfilled. It's not fulfilled 2,000 something years later, but it

01:21:39.540 was fulfilled relatively soon, 15, 10, 20 years later, that all of a sudden the fulfillment to

01:21:46.500 what Jesus said in Matthew 24 actually took place. A bunch of Jews still not believing Jesus stayed 0.80

01:21:52.940 and were destroyed and died. Other ones saw that as a confirmation that Jesus was a Christ.

01:21:58.760 They repented of their sins. They repented of crucifying the Messiah. They put faith in Jesus

01:22:03.580 and practically believed now that he's the Messiah, his words are true. They ran, like he said to do 0.97

01:22:09.220 in Matthew 24, escaped, intermarried over centuries. And today, what does it mean to bless Israel?

01:22:16.380 blessing those who have faith in Jesus. There is no Israel of the Bible anymore. God saw to it 0.80

01:22:24.600 through apostolic teaching that is explicit and by providence that is implicit that we would not,

01:22:31.540 even if we wanted to, we would not be able to identify, oh, these are the natural descendants

01:22:36.840 of Abraham and I should give them my money or give them missiles so that God might give me a

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01:26:22.000 today all right so as joel alluded to had one more clip this it was incredible 39 million views it

01:26:30.860 had on x and it was of tucker asking ted cruz how many people live in iran and he was just straight

01:26:35.540 up like i don't know now for one that's why you need to listen to the live stream we literally

01:26:39.960 talked about the ethnic makeup the religion the size the gdp before the interview came in the

01:26:44.520 population of iran on monday so ted cruz didn't watch 40 million people saw it and he looked 0.96

01:26:49.960 stupid now don't be like ted cruz watch the live stream but he basically said you want regime 0.90

01:26:55.200 change in this country but you don't know much about it and also the whole point of kind of the 0.99

01:27:00.020 conversation was two hours long what does that get us and the one element this has kind of been

01:27:04.720 our position as we talked about it on monday as we're thinking through all of this when it comes

01:27:09.420 to iran like you said it's it's probable that they are enriching uranium towards the end of

01:27:14.880 nuclear weapons and so the the narrative that you'll hear and i think ted cruz is probably the

01:27:19.600 one that's best able to do it he loves him some israel he's on their side decently smart guy he's

01:27:24.560 a u.s senator so he's the one pushing forward and saying this is why we need to do it is that once 0.57

01:27:29.920 iran takes out israel if they're able to do so they will turn around and attack the u.s i was

01:27:35.160 Just listening to Tucker, he had a guy from the Pentagon, Dan Campbell, on, and he said

01:27:39.200 the same thing that we said on Monday.

01:27:40.960 Guys, Iran does not have the capability to reach us.

01:27:44.440 So when it comes to the Iran war, there's all the theological reasons.

01:27:47.100 There's not a theological basis to support Israel, but also practically speaking, we

01:27:52.600 are just separated by an ocean, and that's something I have not heard again and again

01:27:58.180 and again, be it Tucker, be it others that are supportive of this.

01:28:00.940 Guys, they don't have a way to reach us. 0.60

01:28:03.560 Well, do you want Iran having nukes? No. Do you know what I want more, though? Not going to war. 0.66

01:28:09.320 Yep. Well said. All right. Let's go ahead and get to our super chats. I'll go ahead and read the 0.98

01:28:15.240 first one. This comes from Tyler. He says, from the Christian perspective, should we view the

01:28:21.000 Talmudic Jews similar to how the Jews viewed the Samaritans? Is this a good parallel? Corruption

01:28:31.120 of bloodline, perversion of theology, and rejecting a prophet. 0.68

01:28:39.720 Talmudic is, that would speak specifically to the Talmud, is a commentary upon, I believe

01:28:44.800 it's the Mishnah, which is then a commentary upon the Pentateuch, the moral law. And so

01:28:49.660 Talmudic refers more to a religious orientation than an actual innate group of people. So

01:28:56.580 I don't think particularly. However, the people that have been shaped by the Talmud, Orthodox

01:29:00.900 practicing Jews, we should certainly say there's a lasting effect of having built your identity 0.98

01:29:05.600 around rejecting Christ. So I wouldn't speak of it the same way that you could speak in racial

01:29:09.960 terms. I wouldn't root it that strongly because, again, Talmudic, the Talmud is a commentary upon

01:29:15.700 a commentary. It's a religious orientation. I mean, Marx, for instance, was not a practicing

01:29:20.460 Jew. His family was Lutheran, but I still think he imbibed much of Jewish religious practice,

01:29:25.920 which is to be obsessed with money, greedy, and ultimately wanted to flatten all distinctions. 0.96

01:29:31.920 So there is an effect.

01:29:33.280 However, I don't know that the Samaritan angle is as helpful.

01:29:36.680 Yeah, certainly not at the individual level.

01:29:38.680 I mean, there's a sense in which, you know, you think about the Jews in the covenant,

01:29:44.480 Samaritans outside of the covenant. 0.77

01:29:46.120 There's a sense in which we should view all people not in Christ as outside of the covenant. 0.99

01:29:51.500 In that sense of covenant keepers and covenant breakers, it is true that we ought to recognize Jews as outside of the covenant. 0.93

01:29:59.200 But what follows from that is that all people, not in Christ, are outside of the covenant, particularly, again, at the individual level. 0.97

01:30:07.660 Now, you can get into cultural assessments and talk about some cultures who are sort of more poignantly or pressing in a pressing way against Christ and Christ's kingdom being furthered.

01:30:18.900 But at the individual level and in the general sense, I think that framework, covenant keepers and covenant breakers, is the right way to view.

01:30:28.760 Yeah. Go back to the question, Nathan.

01:30:31.380 Yeah, the reason I was hesitant to answer is, you know, he said, should we view Talmudic Jews similar to how Jews viewed the Samaritans?

01:30:39.780 And then he kind of parsed it out, what he means by that.

01:30:43.400 And one of the aspects he included was corruption of bloodline.

01:30:46.420 um so the reason why it's kind of like a a blurring of categories is like what west said

01:30:53.060 talmudic jews um is really just a reference to uh religious affiliation it's that's not a

01:30:58.700 that's not an ethnic you know people that's that's not um that's there's no genetic you know

01:31:05.060 designation of talmudic jews you could be uh you could be black and be a talmudic jew you could be

01:31:11.120 Latino and be a Talmud Jew or Anglo or whatever. So no, I don't think that's helpful. But if you're

01:31:17.400 just saying, should we view, like if you had said, for instance, should we view Ashkenazi Jews?

01:31:22.620 Right now we're talking about an actual ethnicity. Ashkenazi Jews and the way that

01:31:28.920 biblical Jews viewed the Samaritans as genetically corrupted, that they've intermarried and that it's

01:31:38.500 not pure uh sure um that yeah i i think that that would be a fine analogy except even with that the

01:31:45.060 disclaimer that i would want to offer is that um it doesn't matter like we get we give we give a

01:31:52.780 lot of times like old testament um israel a hard time uh and rightfully so i mean they they they 0.82

01:31:59.400 they usually got it wrong you know god would say this and they would do the opposite you know they 0.52

01:32:03.740 they're always grumbling in the wilderness with Moses. And, you know, they, you know, like Moses

01:32:09.560 is gone for, you know, 15 minutes and they're already worshiping golden calves. And so, you

01:32:15.180 know, Israel, I think in the Old Testament in many ways stands as just a testimony to God's grace.

01:32:21.760 You know, and even Deuteronomy, I believe it's chapter seven says, I did not choose you because

01:32:26.140 of anything significant in you, in yourselves, in your own merit. I didn't choose you because

01:32:31.960 you were the greatest people on the planet in fact you were the least um and and obviously he's 0.93

01:32:35.880 talking about uh israel's number at that at that point in choosing abraham one family of all the

01:32:40.480 earth um but but i think you know implicitly more um can can be read out of that in a fair you know

01:32:46.800 justifiable interpretation what god is saying essentially is i did not pick israel because

01:32:51.600 they were mighty because they were strong because they were numerous um or because they were you

01:32:56.140 know had a particular fidelity um in their worship and allegiance to me i didn't pick them for any of

01:33:01.320 those reasons. If anything, I picked them because they were small, because they were weak, and

01:33:05.200 because they were, if anything, Israel, according to the Old Testament, was supernaturally hard-headed

01:33:10.820 and stiff-necked and rebellious. And God chose them to magnify His grace, to show how long-suffering

01:33:20.000 He is, how patient He is, how steadfast He is, how He keeps covenant to the thousandth generation of

01:33:26.380 those who fear him and love him and obey his commands. And so all that being said, I think

01:33:33.240 that when you look at Israel in the Bible, Old Testament Israel, it's easy to give them a hard

01:33:38.920 time. And I would say for the most part, rightfully so. That said, when they're thinking 1.00

01:33:45.660 of the Samaritans and these kinds of things, I guess what I'm trying to say is they had a point

01:33:50.100 at that time they had a point so when you know the way they treated the samaritans obviously

01:33:56.660 when jesus came on the scene there was some you know some corrections that he offered to them

01:34:01.900 you know like the parable of the good samaritan for instance you know or the conversation that

01:34:06.820 jesus has you know with the samaritan woman in john chapter 4 um at the well you know and says

01:34:12.320 you know neither neither this place or that place but you know um but but a day is coming

01:34:17.200 where true worshipers will worship God and spirit and truth. And so Jesus corrects this notion,

01:34:23.700 but it wasn't completely illegitimate. And the notion that I'm referencing is that they put some

01:34:28.460 stock, some measure of value in being physical descendants of Abraham. John chapter 8 is another

01:34:37.620 reference where, again, Jesus corrects it by saying, do you not know that I can make children

01:34:42.520 of abraham from the rocks you know like this this is not you know because the pharisees are

01:34:47.820 insisting they're like we're not we're not illegitimate children you know we're you know

01:34:51.840 we're children of abraham and jesus like no you're not and they appeal even higher than well we're

01:34:56.760 actually just we're we're children of god and jesus says no you're actually i mean you thought

01:35:01.880 you're not fatherless you you are children of someone but it's actually the devil the devil

01:35:06.720 as your daddy um but my point is there's multiple places where israel old covenant israel in the

01:35:12.980 bible um put some measure of value in um ancestry and and being actual physical descendants of

01:35:22.180 of abraham and isaac and jacob our father jacob built this well or this like and my point is to

01:35:28.320 say that yes jesus corrects those things um but there's a reason why it mattered because in the

01:35:34.080 old covenant it actually was significant and that's not to say that no one could be grafted in

01:35:39.040 right you have rahab you have ruth and there are plenty of others but there was something to be said

01:35:44.080 for abraham had descendants as many as numerous as the stars and the sand on the shore and

01:35:50.200 ultimately there's a reference to his spiritual descendants christians those who have faith in

01:35:54.400 jesus but also his physical descendants and if you think that the flesh is of no account

01:35:58.480 especially under the old covenant well then why didn't god just get it done with his his heir

01:36:03.320 Eliezer, right? Or why did God not just get it done with Ishmael, right? That's, you know,

01:36:08.580 that's Abraham's descendant, but it wasn't Sarah's. No, it had to be Isaac. It had to be the child

01:36:13.620 of the promise. And that child who was the child of the promise also happened to be the genetic

01:36:19.180 offspring. He was a physical descendant because it actually did matter. And so all the way back

01:36:25.280 to the question, the reason why I don't think it's particularly helpful is you're doing a

01:36:29.400 religious category and then an ethnic, right? So you're saying Talmudic Jews instead of, if you

01:36:34.300 said Ashkenazi Jews and Samaritans, you're saying Talmudic Jews and Samaritans, which is more of a

01:36:40.000 religious affiliation than a particular Jewish ethnicity. But even if you had said Ashkenazi

01:36:46.360 Jews and Samaritans, I would agree with you that the Samaritans were actually a blend, intermarried

01:36:51.860 of Jews and other tribes. And Ashkenazi Jews, based off of what I said earlier, I also believe

01:36:58.180 is a corrupted bloodline, and not necessarily in a negative way with spiritual implications, 0.99

01:37:04.000 but just, no, you guys are not 100%, you know, descendants of Jacob. No way. I'm going to call

01:37:09.780 BS on that. And so that would actually, that would be a better, it's not a blurring of categories,

01:37:14.240 Ashkenazi Jews and Samaritans. But even then, my point is that in the Old Covenant,

01:37:19.940 that would carry some stock. It would matter, you know, at least some. But under the New Covenant,

01:37:26.440 it literally doesn't matter at all. The old covenant Jews, when they looked at Samaritans 1.00

01:37:32.880 and they had some problems with their pedigree, Jesus corrected them, but also they were on to 0.98

01:37:40.480 something. Today, 2,000 years after the coming of Christ and the tearing down of the division

01:37:47.940 between Jew and Gentile to, to, to, to say that there's any stock at all in being, you know, a 0.94

01:37:55.300 100% 23 and me, you know, genetic descendant of Abraham is just retarded. Like that just doesn't 0.98

01:38:03.280 make any sense at all. Number one, it literally can't be proven. Number two, um, biblically

01:38:08.640 speaking, it has no spiritual, um, implications or value whatsoever or merit. Um, so yeah, so I

01:38:15.660 was just long answer but my point is yeah i you know you put it on the chat god bless you um but

01:38:22.920 yeah i would keep that one probably uh to myself all right let's do justin h he left a hundred

01:38:29.340 dollars between two super chats and had a great question antonio do you want to read it yeah uh

01:38:33.720 so justin says i go to a john mcarthur church um i am a post mail do you think the current issues

01:38:39.900 in the Middle East and the dispensational view will come up more in John MacArthur's sermons.

01:38:46.720 Do you think they will call for support? What do you think? Yeah, I mean, I think it's certainly

01:38:53.760 on the table. From what I understand about John MacArthur, I don't know him to step into

01:39:02.360 those kinds of issues all that much. But yeah, I mean, again, harking back on what we've talked

01:39:09.040 about in in the episode is like it is it would be consistent for for them to call for support

01:39:17.860 for israel and for for america to get involved in the uh war um i so so again that's why i say it's

01:39:26.480 not off the table i think i think there are many people in john mccarthur's congregation that

01:39:30.740 would think precisely that thing yeah um but in terms of whether or not there will be some top

01:39:35.680 down recognition of that uh i think it's a little bit harder to tell yeah i don't know uh he you're

01:39:42.440 right he he it's not his mo to uh to have specific political applications um but he but it's also not

01:39:51.620 um non-existent like like macarthur has and in some cases i you know things that i really appreciate

01:39:58.080 uh but like weighing in on elections um and uh and even like uh voting for trump and things like

01:40:05.720 that so it is something that he's done before and so i think it's possible um but i i'll also say

01:40:12.060 that john mccarthur um his health from what i hear has improved uh but he is also um i mean i i'm not

01:40:20.840 sure i think he's like 157 years old at this something like that he's only been in the pulpit

01:40:25.060 but I think once since July.

01:40:26.760 Right, and so I think we're going to probably see less and less of him.

01:40:30.220 There's other things on his mind.

01:40:31.500 And there's a flair of kind of West Coast Christianity too.

01:40:34.400 So Mark Driscoll's church, for example,

01:40:36.280 they were kind of agnostic on eschatology.

01:40:38.460 You go down to like Westminster West.

01:40:40.700 Like they were Amil, but it wasn't like the defining feature of them.

01:40:43.580 That's a little bit more of kind of a Southern Baptist thing,

01:40:45.960 especially your Tim LaHaye, your Hall Lindsay's.

01:40:48.940 And so I think honestly that trend continues,

01:40:51.460 that as people vary across eschatological spectrums,

01:40:55.420 that you see a lot of pastors

01:40:56.320 unless they have a strong view.

01:40:58.260 I would say even you, Joel, in the last couple of years,

01:41:00.240 you're still post-mill, we're still post-mill.

01:41:02.500 But just in speaking to it,

01:41:03.820 practically, you could be any of the three views

01:41:06.020 and be hardcore, we're going to take this town for Jesus,

01:41:09.080 even if, practically speaking, he comes back next Thursday.

01:41:11.920 Or you could be any of those three views

01:41:13.340 and absolutely retreat culturally.

01:41:15.740 So it's not about the exact view that you have.

01:41:18.220 So I think a lot of pastors are coming to that.

01:41:19.920 And then hopefully for you, Justin,

01:41:21.460 I'd hope at your church, the pastors there that are filling the pulpit, that are caring for the saints, that they can kind of recognize the times and say, there might be some import here.

01:41:29.200 And privately, I think the end times are near, but practically, as far as their day in, day out instruction to the sheep, they're content to say, we recognize that more and more people just hold different views on this.

01:41:39.840 Yep. Well said.

01:41:42.000 Antonio, you want to read the next one?

01:41:43.720 Let's do Appeal to Heaven at the top.

01:41:45.720 Yeah. So Appeal to Heaven says, IFB pastor, beer with meal equals not Christian. IFB also not 0.67

01:41:54.880 supporting Israel, also not Christian. Grew up IFB. Make it make sense. Keep up the fight.

01:42:02.980 Well said, Appeal to Heaven 7. If you're sitting here telling me the independent fundamental

01:42:09.800 baptists don't make sense uh you're not going to hear any argument out of my mouth i wholeheartedly

01:42:16.660 agree it's funny because we were talking before the show that um if you took every dispensational

01:42:21.020 and you put them up in canada right now america would be a third world country that's right

01:42:24.880 practically speaking probably at its height the best estimates it was like 10 to 15 percent of

01:42:29.280 americans were they were dispensationalists but all that being said the inconsistencies

01:42:35.080 sadly it drove a lot of people away from the church so it's it's kind of you know dunking

01:42:40.440 on ifb i get it and it's fun but uh but sadly a lot of people those inconsistencies like it's

01:42:45.240 don't go to r-rated movies don't smoke a cigarette don't don't have a beer support israel with every

01:42:50.360 extra dime you have and also don't build anything because the world's going to end i mean a lot of

01:42:55.120 orientation towards environmentalism like teddy roosevelt was big early on in the 1900s we need

01:42:59.740 to protect our environment our american heritage well that went out the window the 70s and 80s

01:43:04.000 because it's like who cares about national parks jesus is about to come back there's more important

01:43:09.380 things to be done and so right absolutely agreed but it's also sad because it made a shipwreck out

01:43:14.940 of a lot of people's faith right yeah west brings up a good point that like

01:43:19.360 dispensationalists and i'll clarify this but um but let me say this way first dispensationalists

01:43:26.260 um are the salt of the earth um like west you take every dispensationalist out of america and

01:43:32.740 uh and we are doomed um in terms of voting um yeah uh that said the more accurate way i think

01:43:42.300 is uh that christians are the salt of the earth you take every christian out of america and we're

01:43:48.300 doomed and just currently in this moment of human history or church history in this case

01:43:55.300 the vast majority of american christians are protestant and the vast majority of protestants

01:44:03.120 happen to be dispensational so i would say yeah dispensationalists are kind of like you know

01:44:09.000 stephen wolf you know when he says white evangelicals you know or the lone bulwark

01:44:12.360 you know holding back the tide of wokeness and all these different things that's true

01:44:16.560 in terms of speaking of voting patterns and which was his point and likewise you could also say

01:44:22.860 um zionist dispensationalists are uh the lone bulwark holding back you know uh a kamala harris

01:44:29.340 presidency yeah and that would be true um but what i want to say is that um it's christians that are

01:44:36.040 doing that despite their dispensationalism not dispensationalists doing that despite their

01:44:41.340 christianity and that that difference makes all the difference in the world yes we i i think that

01:44:48.200 a bunch of dispensationalists are helping to barely keep America sane. But they're not doing

01:44:55.360 it because of their dispensationalism. They're doing it despite their dispensationalism. And

01:44:59.860 I'd like to believe, and I think it's true, that we'd actually be in an even stronger position

01:45:05.140 if we didn't have the poison of dispensationalism. I think we'd have, number one, more Christians. 1.00

01:45:10.580 I actually do. I think you're right, Wes, that dispensationalism is so wacky and so silly that 1.00

01:45:15.620 it's actually turned a lot of people away from the church. So one, I think we'd just have more 0.84

01:45:19.320 Christians. And then two, we'd have more Christians who have placed a higher stock in the future.

01:45:27.360 Dispensationalists are, for the most part, pre-millennial in their eschatology, and

01:45:32.160 dispensational pre-millennialists, by and large, this is a generalization, but it's generally true,

01:45:40.380 they don't just believe Jesus is going to return eventually, but they think he's going to return

01:45:44.780 any minute now. And when you think that Jesus is coming back any minute now, and you think that

01:45:50.000 it's kind of, the story's already been written in terms of things are going to get worse and worse

01:45:55.700 until he comes back, then you're not necessarily, you know, taking on, you know, 500 year projects,

01:46:02.200 you know, and looking way out to the future, planting a tree today so that your grandchildren

01:46:06.580 can sit under its shade, you know, or protecting, you know, National Park or doing this or doing

01:46:11.240 that um so yeah so i dispensationalists have done a lot of good but i think it's despite

01:46:16.960 their dispensationalism not because of it and if there wasn't dispensationalism and it was just

01:46:21.940 christians i think one we'd have more of them and two i think they'd be more future oriented

01:46:26.780 and uh fighting with even more resolve all right what's our next super chat deacon st john great

01:46:33.080 supporter always see him in the chat yeah thank you twenty dollars thanks st john he asked this

01:46:37.600 can a single man change his name due to psychological stress from sharing it with an

01:46:41.680 abusive father who passed away without sinning? As in, can you change your last name due to that

01:46:48.320 association? What do you guys think? I love the idea of God redeeming a last name. So you think

01:46:58.520 of, very often in scripture, and we even read it just there in Genesis, the families of the earth.

01:47:02.280 So instead of nations, it says families. So there's this real sense of continuity that you have

01:47:06.360 ancestors, and by God's grace, you'll have children in the future. And so when even in

01:47:10.960 the changing of the name, you certainly are legally changing what's on paper, but you're

01:47:15.720 not changing the nature that you're descended from a long line of men. And it sounds like men

01:47:19.580 that were not good, but you yourself, by God's grace, have placed your faith in Jesus. You're

01:47:24.420 living a moral life in obedience to him. And so you're really talking about, can I change and

01:47:32.740 alter the name that goes along with it. I think the Christian's conscience is open. However,

01:47:37.560 again, I think I would love to view it in the sense of here's a name that was tarnished,

01:47:43.080 that was associated with wickedness, that tons of evil was done under, not just to themselves,

01:47:48.860 but to other people. But in God's grace, here I am and I'm taking this name that actually

01:47:53.420 resembles something good. It's a name that's now associated with the people that know me

01:47:56.820 with virtue, with a man who keeps his word, who's upright in his community.

01:48:00.440 uh but all that being said you just say practically i that might be my son if i have children but

01:48:07.000 that's your position i don't think you necessarily sin yeah yeah yeah i i'd agree i i think it's

01:48:12.540 permissible um i was obviously in a you know in the state the state that we're in in america i

01:48:18.600 think this is a very common um yeah thought right uh absent fathers abusive fathers i mean this sort

01:48:26.480 stuff is runs rampant in our, in our culture. And so, um, you know, I, I think it's, I think

01:48:32.580 it's a valid question because a lot of people are considering it. I would just say, uh, you know,

01:48:37.660 a point of encouragement on this, I think, you know, which is the ethos of the reform tradition

01:48:42.960 too, is to reach further back into history. Right. Uh, you know, our, our immediate fathers,

01:48:51.120 I think this is true generally in our country.

01:48:53.160 Our immediate fathers did fail in quite a lot of ways.

01:48:57.640 But if you go further back, you go to your grandfathers and their fathers and their father,

01:49:03.020 at some point you do get to a point of genuine pride.

01:49:09.020 And even if there's all sorts of disappointment and stress related to your relationship with your own father,

01:49:15.900 those men certainly were thinking of their progeny,

01:49:18.120 misogyny were most certainly thinking of you and their actions uh and the the sacrifices they made

01:49:23.380 and so i would say to honor them uh the encouragement would be to keep your name and to

01:49:28.740 redeem it uh in the short term in the life uh that you have that's a really good point i didn't

01:49:33.380 think about that but yeah it's kind of like the uh the old adage with uh feminism where they're

01:49:37.660 like i'm not going to take my husband's last name i'm going to keep uh my last name it's like you

01:49:41.540 mean your father's last name you're sticking it to the patriarchy by honoring your father

01:49:45.600 um anyway you slice it but you're right it's like so if your immediate father um was a deadbeat

01:49:52.300 uh and and you know and now he's died you know whatever you you know od'd on drugs and was absent

01:49:58.720 and and did nothing for you except for you know abuse you and mistreats you and all these different

01:50:03.640 things and it's like i don't want to honor him i don't want i don't want to bear his last name

01:50:07.100 but his last name didn't come out of the ether you know his name is your grandfather's name and

01:50:11.880 that name is your great grandfather's name and you're right uh in our american history chances

01:50:16.580 are if you go back far enough um that person was um an upstanding god-fearing person yeah

01:50:23.260 at one point in our country not that long ago 90 percent uh were christian and so uh yeah so i i

01:50:30.520 would be considering um instead of just thinking i don't want to bear my deadbeat dad's last name

01:50:36.300 I'd be thinking, well, your deadbeat dad is somebody else's deadbeat great-grandson who

01:50:43.120 ruined his great-grandfather's name, and you have a chance to redeem it. So doing it not just for

01:50:49.620 your immediate father, but for your father's father's father, that lineage, and restoring it.

01:50:55.260 So the redemption factor, I think, is a fantastic argument. The only thing that I'll add to it is

01:51:00.140 in the sense of not advocating for doing it, but an argument in terms of permissibility.

01:51:06.300 that it's not sin, is that God does change names in Scripture. There are occasions,

01:51:12.520 whether it's Abram to Abraham, Sarai to Sarah, or Jacob to Israel, there are cases where God

01:51:21.260 sets someone apart. But I do want to mention, though, like in the case of Abram to Abraham,

01:51:28.500 that being one of the greatest examples that we could think of biblically, at that point,

01:51:35.660 he's coming from a lineage of a bunch of idol worshipers stretching back as far as you could

01:51:42.780 possibly go you know i mean it is i guess you know like eventually you get back to adam and eve

01:51:47.360 you know or or you know noah um but but he's got like like generations and generations and

01:51:53.640 generations of idolaters and he's starting something new god's starting exactly so god

01:51:59.900 So God's not, his goal is not to redeem in that case, but to start.

01:52:06.300 I'm setting you apart.

01:52:08.360 And that's a very, very particular thing that God does in Old Testament scripture, in the case of Abraham.

01:52:15.660 And that's not really something that God is doing today.

01:52:19.100 God's not setting someone apart to be, you know, a nation that's going to be a holy nation,

01:52:26.200 a particular nation through whom the the christ the messiah is going to be uh brought forth like

01:52:31.780 that i mean that's kind of that's one of those things that god did once and he doesn't do again

01:52:35.740 right so um so again uh permissibility sure um in terms of uh the ideal um man i would be really

01:52:44.760 really really hesitant um to do something like that yep uh any other super chats four they're

01:52:50.580 just comments from faithful supporters my mostly peaceful merch send a ten dollar super chat

01:52:55.320 thank you so much it says it's not just envy no it is not no thank you for handing in this

01:53:00.100 previously third rail topic with maturity and accuracy we're gonna make it amen it is funny

01:53:05.700 like a year ago i could only be like hushed tones and then there's this lobbying group called apac

01:53:09.860 now it's just apac's the worst yep jeff halfley uh joel do you want to read these he references

01:53:15.880 your talk at all sure he said tucker versus ted is the best tv i have seen in years yes it was

01:53:21.700 highly entertaining even if you disagree with both of them you know yeah you know it's just

01:53:26.240 it was really good some good tv uh he also said uh jeff halfley uh another super chat thanks jeff

01:53:32.740 he said great talk at ncp that's new christened press conference uh joel great to see you there

01:53:39.220 it was great to see you too thank you for the encouragement um i you know i i remember walking

01:53:44.880 down from the stage and uh my wife was asking you how'd you do or how you how do you feel about it

01:53:50.380 she had watched you know the live stream back home and she was like i think you did good i was

01:53:55.380 like i don't feel don't feel great and she said that's just because you uh you weren't yourself

01:54:01.360 like typically like your your mo is uh you go up with like you know a napkin and crayon you know

01:54:09.660 and like like four or five words of notes written down and she spelled incorrectly yeah spelled

01:54:15.600 incorrectly and you're shooting from the hip and that's uh that's kind of like quintessential

01:54:19.060 joel webin um whereas in this case for those of you who were there at the conference or who

01:54:23.960 purchased the live stream and have heard it um i had like four pages of notes and a sizable amount

01:54:30.960 of that like 80 were quotes and so it was just for me it was just kind of out of my wheelhouse

01:54:36.980 it was just unusual um to uh to actually like be reading quotes for you know 15 minutes so after

01:54:46.240 like when i was done with the quotes and i gave like my concluding thoughts i feel like i hit my

01:54:50.140 stride and had some uh some good insights that i think were helpful for for people and i got a lot

01:54:55.320 of encouragement but uh bogging down and sitting and reading uh was uh just different for for me

01:55:01.640 some guys that's what they do you know like there's a lot of guys who are great preachers

01:55:05.780 great speakers and they manuscript everything out every sentence every word uh but that's just

01:55:11.480 never been me so uh but thank you jeff i appreciate your encouragement and i think that does it up

01:55:17.340 two more super chats okay uh jeff one more time he said conservatives are by their very nature

01:55:23.060 not rioters or revolutionaries rather uh than playing at 1776 we should be concentrating on

01:55:31.680 getting uh based da's district attorneys what do you think yeah that's why we're not conservatives

01:55:38.720 we had an episode a couple weeks ago he's exactly right like there's a conservative impulse and it's

01:55:42.540 to preserve and there is a time for that right namely when you have a great when you have something

01:55:47.080 good to wealthy happy populace right i'm not trying to conserve what's happening right yeah

01:55:51.920 we're not trying to conserve uh 2025 um yeah so we are like for just for the listener i don't want

01:55:58.600 them to be confused when we say we're not conservatives we're not saying so we're liberals

01:56:01.580 or we're left of course not so you're liberal then right oh no no but what we're saying is that we

01:56:07.280 we have gotten so far off the rails that to merely conserve and to simply set up a hedge towards you

01:56:13.320 know further leftward drift is not sufficient um that we actually do um we actually do need to get

01:56:20.580 way back um and then he also said jeff halfley uh the right has got to stop larping about guns

01:56:29.280 and militias and start taking action to get laws and lawyers and judges in place to act

01:56:36.900 amen yep um and hopefully i don't know i'm struggling to trust the plan right now i'll

01:56:41.860 be honest i'm not a plan truster uh but you know i am hoping we're not at war in iraq and iran yet

01:56:48.780 we're not thank the lord yeah so trump is being hesitant i appreciate that um hopefully we do not

01:56:54.460 go to war and then also i was thinking of just like the big beautiful bill hopefully that gets

01:56:59.120 passed and you have the funding for ice and uh and are able to just override judges and

01:57:04.640 deport people. So I think there's still a chance. Deacon St. John, he gave us $2 here at the end

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