In the wake of the Ted Cruz and Tucker Carlson interview, many Christians are realizing that we are in this for the long haul, and one of the first orders of business is to convince our leaders, especially our political leaders, that the dispensationalist framing they assumed from decades prior no longer works.
00:08:22.260right but just all right so ted cruz said uh you know growing up i went to sunday school and i was
00:08:30.500taught uh that those who bless israel and i was taught he says from the bible and i just want to
00:08:35.240go ahead and clarify for a moment here um i have no doubt that growing up in sunday school he was
00:08:40.800taught that he was not taught that from the bible i think that part should be left out because it's
00:08:45.340not in the bible and tucker i think did a great job in typical tucker style you know playing coy
00:08:50.260playing dumb a little bit you know with his tucker carlson charm uh that was not appreciated by
00:08:55.440ted cruz whatsoever uh but he was like the government of israel and he's like what does0.98
00:08:59.980that even mean and and at that point uh ted cruz responds by saying well israel means israel and and
00:09:07.900i understand that seems pretty straightforward but okay so anything called that calls itself
00:09:12.760israel um well there's a town in dexas called israel so if we go over there and give free free
00:09:19.880car washes to all the residents of israel texas will we be blessed by god i think so come on joel
00:09:26.660you know what he means no but but seriously that is a worthwhile question uh when when you say what
00:09:31.780is israel matt walsh did what is a woman uh somebody probably not matt walsh as long as he's
00:09:37.000working for the israeli wire but uh you know matt walsh actually would be great uh but he probably
00:09:42.140would uh burn the bridge uh with his current employer but somebody needs to do a documentary
00:09:46.520what is israel because i would i would argue that yes there actually is even in the new
00:09:52.180testament for new testament christians in the new covenant there is a blessing for those who bless
00:09:57.040israel but israel has to be defined is it um a place that that just popped up 75 years ago in
00:10:04.780the middle east or is it the town in texas you know that we can go and do the free car washes
00:10:09.280for give them free puppies for all the kids you know and and who knows you know we wake up the
00:10:13.940next morning and our bank accounts are just overflowing um to illustrate the point i i texted
00:10:19.020or tweeted this out today i said i will be opening an llc called israel tm there's approximately a
00:10:26.4601875 year gap between the total destruction of israel of the bible biblical israel old covenant
00:10:34.300israel in 80 70 and the formation of a new modern israel and there's only a 1955 year gap between
00:10:42.520the israel the bible and my new llc israel tm please send checks to receive your blessing
00:10:50.460can we not can we not see how ridiculous this is all right west you've lined out the episode
00:10:56.260first we we want to give some credence there's not a whole lot to give but at least credence
00:11:00.940not so much to the doctrine but to the people because there are salt of the earth precious
00:11:05.060christians who just by default have been hoodwinked for 150 years into dispensationalism
00:11:10.440So we want to break down what is dispensationalism and then do our best to steel man the arguments and especially show charity to the people.
00:11:19.480So the origins of dispensationalism, there are those that try to root it farther back sometime in the Middle Ages to first kind of identify dispensational systems.
00:11:27.560But mostly for the most part, it's the 19th century, around the mid-19th century, that as a system it emerges.
00:11:33.440And it emerges from an Anglo guy named John Nelson Darby.
00:11:37.560And Darby was part of a schismatic group, the Plymouth Brethren, which then went on
00:11:42.060to form some group called, it was like the Exclusive Brethren.
00:11:45.700And so you have kind of the worst of Protestant schism.
00:11:48.540And so you have a group that splits off and splits off.0.99
00:11:50.880I was very prepared for them to be Baptist.0.99
00:11:52.820I was like, this has got to be something.
00:26:02.860The people who hold to covenant theology instead of dispensationalism, 99% of them also hold to Calvinism as opposed to Arminianism.
00:26:12.680There are only a few outliers, and they are rather novel, of a Baptist who is a Calvinist when it comes to how God saves, his sovereignty and salvation, but is not really Calvinistic in a consistent manner across the board, God being sovereign and everything else.
00:26:30.880and so they are a leaky dispensationalist. And so my point is just to say that for Protestants,0.52
00:26:37.200there's covenant theology, and those are the guys who hold to a high view of God's sovereignty in
00:26:43.040all things. And then there's dispensationalism, and those are the guys who are Arminian.
00:26:49.200For those who are Reformed Protestants, who have an older Protestant view, think Reformation,
00:26:55.540the protestant reformation those who hold to a more historic protestant view they are reformed
00:27:01.340they are calvinistic and they're consistent in their calvinism they're also covenant theologians
00:27:07.640those who don't embrace a macro view of god's sovereignty in all things they're the ones who
00:27:15.700reject not only calvinism and the reformed tradition and historic protestantism and have
00:27:20.620adopted some very novel, very recent endeavor, but also have embraced dispensationalism. And
00:27:26.700that accounts, again, in terms of Protestants here in America, that would be the vast majority
00:27:32.520of Baptists, and Baptists are the vast majority of Protestants. So that's most Protestants in
00:27:38.280America today. And I'll give an example of where this shows up in other areas. For example, the law.
00:27:42.840About a year to a year and a half ago, Ted Cruz got into an exchange with Tom Askell,
00:27:46.620a Baptist pastor from Florida over the death penalty for aggravated homosexuality in Uganda
00:27:52.460and Senator Cruz was criticizing it because because he's and he literally cited Jesus saying
00:27:57.200well hang on we're in the New Testament and it's judge not when you begin to slice and dice up the
00:28:02.160Bible well this age is this and this age is this and the law has been fulfilled when you start to
00:28:06.740do that you lose exactly that continuity all of a sudden you don't have the ability to go back and0.76
00:28:11.360say well no god was teaching us something when he made homosexuality up to the death penalty when he
00:28:17.140made this crime punishable by this then you have to say well that was then that was in that0.84
00:28:21.260dispensation we don't really have anything more to add to it you unhitch from the old testament
00:28:26.140yeah right yeah anti-nomianism is that the natural conclusion from dispensationalism right
00:28:33.040the law is of a different dispensation right we're done with that yep right and so they would still
00:28:38.360hold to some measure of a hangover of the moral like they would you know a dispensationist would
00:28:43.520still say well you shouldn't steal or you know you shouldn't commit adultery or you shouldn't murder
00:28:47.780go explicitly what's republished in the new testament yeah right and they're not fully like
00:28:51.900you can be gay is preeminent for the christian today yes yeah exactly so the the laws that they
00:28:57.820would still hold to moral laws are those which are restated again in the new testament but anything
00:29:03.440that's not explicitly restated by one of the apostles in the new testament they would say
00:29:08.420that that law is done and so there are there are certain laws that they would say and and the
00:29:13.760problem with that is uh for instance um okay so as a new testament christian um bestiality it's
00:29:19.780on the table right the new testament the apostles there's not one place in the gospels in the words
00:29:25.140of christ or any of the apostles in the entirety of the new testament that tells me that um that
00:29:30.820i can't commit bestiality with my dog and we would all say uh yeah you can't do that still
00:29:38.240off the table that's still off the table that is not on the menu you cannot do that but then if
00:29:43.200you're saying well chapter and verse chapter and verse actually chapter and verse um well there is
00:29:48.880a chapter and verse and it's in the old testament which is still a part of our bible it still
00:29:53.400matters um yeah so there are massive problems with um if you really embrace dispensationalism
00:30:00.320then um then you're you're unhitching from god's sovereignty in all things including uh soteriology
00:30:07.440his salvation and and there is some portion of synergism man's works human works that are baked
00:30:14.300into the the equation of how god saves uh you're losing uh the general equity of much of the old
00:30:20.900testament law and how it applies for societies and individuals today um there's there's all these
00:30:27.140things, that you lose. And again, the thing that we're trying to express is that is not the
00:30:31.800historic Christian position. That is not what Christians have believed down through the ages.
00:30:36.800And in a big way, because dispensationalist view God is essentially having, because Israel so
00:30:41.700fully rejected him, they're essentially put on pause, still God's people in a state of rebellion,
00:30:46.760and the church is almost there to incite envy. So then God says, all right, you guys,
00:30:52.620my goodness, you are stiff-necked. Now you're still my people, and they hold all of those
00:30:56.740promises. You heard Ted Cruz do it. Promises in Genesis chapter 12. Well, that applies to
00:31:01.760not Christians, but that applies to still the literal state, the modern state of Israel.0.71
00:31:07.960And so that big thing that dispensationalism does, and it gets us into this mess as it says,
00:31:13.300nope, now the church has come in and it doesn't fulfill the role of God's people. It comes
00:31:19.260alongside. And so that's exactly what Ted Cruz is doing here. And let me show you just the verses.
00:31:24.260this is the verse he goes to reference, and it's from Genesis. Now the Lord said to Abram,
00:31:29.100get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I1.00
00:31:33.360will show thee. And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name
00:31:38.220great. And thou shalt be a blessing, and I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that
00:31:43.420curses ye. And in thee shall all the families of the earth be blessed. So for one, Ted Cruz
00:31:49.320misquotes it because it doesn't say Israel. It's speaking specifically of Abraham.
00:31:54.060But watch what Paul does in the New Testament. Galatians is your book for this. Galatians 3,
00:32:00.1807 through 9. Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
00:32:06.700The children of Abraham are those that have faith in Jesus. And the scripture, foreseeing,
00:32:12.460God knowing, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, that's the unrighteous,
00:32:17.880the sinner through faith preached before the gospel unto Abraham. So he's saying God knew0.97
00:32:23.920he would do this. And so all the way back in Genesis, he preached the gospel, the good news
00:32:29.000to Abraham saying, in thee shall all the nations be blessed. So then they, which be of faith are
00:32:35.220blessed with faithful Abraham. Paul literally in the new Testament says that verse, that promise,
00:32:40.500which is good and well and true. Here's who it applies to. He's saying it's not applied to the
00:32:45.140rebellious Jews today that are persecuting the prophets, that are persecuting the church,
00:32:49.640that are driving us out. He says that blessing, that's for those who have faith in Jesus. That's1.00
00:32:54.960what the Old Testament always arcing towards. And that's the historical Christian position.
00:32:59.280And Ted Cruz's novel position requires him to carve out this novel view where we have to bless
00:33:04.880and support and give billions of dollars to the modern state of Israel, where the Bible is very
00:33:09.600clear that blessing is not about modern Israel. That blessing is about God's people, the church.
00:33:14.760Right. That I will bless those who bless you, speaking about Abraham and his descendants.
00:33:20.500And then Galatians tells us who Abraham's descendants are. It is not those who are a Jew1.00
00:33:26.660outwardly, but those who are a Jew inwardly, not circumcision of the flesh, but circumcision0.90
00:33:31.320of the heart. And these are Abraham's descendants, ye who have faith. It's funny because he references
00:33:39.500you know growing up his childhood and you know his church experience and and going to uh sunday
00:33:45.480school um but even in sunday school and this is another massive inconsistency that you find in
00:33:50.800many baptist churches uh but even in sunday school yeah you probably would be taught um that if you
00:33:55.940you know if you're an old lady who's sending a portion of your fixed income check you know your
00:34:00.480social security check to uh you know to netanyahu you know once a month then you're going to receive
00:34:05.560a blessing you probably will hear that um sadly in in uh some sunday school uh but but here's
00:34:12.580another thing that i remember learning you know in sunday school was father abraham had many sons
00:34:19.180and many sons had father abraham and i am one of them and so are you fellow christian we weren't
00:34:26.780when we sang that even in the in the in the kids songs you know in sunday school when we sang that
00:34:32.560We weren't saying, and Bibi is one of them, and so is Shapiro, and let's just like, no,
00:58:20.840just be a circle of people, you know,0.83
00:58:23.380all these countries in the middle east all the sand people you know who hate israel and they0.71
00:58:26.900also uh hate america and they chant death to america that's true that's true um but i think0.97
00:58:33.100that that argument falls apart pretty quickly uh when you simply ask the question why uh do they
00:58:39.640hate america because we're 3 000 miles away doing our own thing do they hate america uh just because0.92
00:58:46.340we're christian i i think there's some of that right muslims hate christ right they um i think0.61
00:58:53.080there's some of that um but in large part they hate america it's like well they don't just hate0.74
00:58:58.520israel they hate uh they hate us too and israel is actually you know uh right there on the ground
00:59:03.560you know our kind of our our stalwart in the middle east on the ground you know that's holding0.91
00:59:08.360back the tides of islam dude it makes me think of like napoleon dynamite was like i can throw this1.00
00:59:14.520football over that mountain um these these people these muslim countries um they they're not going1.00
00:59:20.060to be they throw rocks guys they throw rocks they're not going to be able to throw a rock and0.99
00:59:24.360hit us um on the other side of the atlantic ocean that's just that's not going to happen even oh
00:59:29.440the nuclear and all this kind of stuff they've been days away from nuclear weapons for what 30
00:59:34.120years now i saw a meme it's like we uncovered an ancient stone in persia from 2 000 years ago
00:59:38.340and what does it say iran is 14 days away from getting nuclear weapons right exactly and and to
00:59:43.620be fair i actually think you know i think this time is more valid than some of the other times
00:59:47.420But I'm just saying that this, you know, boy who cried wolf rhetoric has been going on for about three decades. They're days away from, you know, from nuclear weapons. And I actually think that, you know, there are some valid, you know, objective signs that this time there's, you know, there's some truth in that.
01:00:04.300but even with their nuclear weapons um there there is no uh discernible objective proof that
01:00:09.780they're going to be able to um to actually shoot missiles just just having nuclear doesn't give
01:00:15.200them the technology to actually be able to reach us and so my point is uh well the same people who
01:00:20.140hate uh israel they also hate america yeah they hate america because we back israel that's why
01:00:26.800they hate america because all of israel's conflicts in the middle east we side with israel they hate
01:00:33.180america because we're funding the people who are bombing them we're funding the people who are0.78
01:00:39.360killing their babies in in the gaza strip we're funding and we've been doing so for within minutes0.77
01:00:46.000of israel declaring itself a country it was lbj right who came out within uh truman truman came0.90
01:00:52.040out yeah minutes and said yes we recognize israel as a you know a sovereign uh nation state and so
01:00:57.740So to just say that, well, one good reason that we should ally ourselves with Israel is because
01:01:03.600all these enemies that they have are actually our enemies too. And if it wasn't for Israel on the0.88
01:01:08.180ground holding back, you know, the Islamic tide, then they begin to ask, one, technologically0.98
01:01:13.020speaking, they can't reach us, right? They just, they can't throw rocks over the ocean. Number two,1.00
01:01:19.160they hate us because of our participation with Israel. If we weren't backing Israel,
01:01:25.680number one they couldn't get to us as it currently stands and then number two they would be far less0.94
01:01:30.520motivated to try to hurt us even if they could get to us and these are things that we need to take
01:01:35.600into account real quick i want to mention uh no more clips we have one more clip uh synced up and
01:01:40.640ready to go but we've already showed uh shown three clips at this point from the tucker carlson
01:01:45.380and senator ted cruz uh interview and we're not going to show any more because for a second we
01:01:50.600dropped the stream so we lost uh people in the chat thank you guys for um for making us aware
01:01:55.900of that uh we figured it out we're back online but for a little bit there we lost the live stream
01:02:00.800uh due to copyright um uh problems so to be fair right i want to be fair here people you know in
01:02:07.260the chat they're like it's real cut the stream you know netanyahu bibi he's at it probably did
01:02:12.000somehow some way um i i am convinced that uh that they had their hand in it but uh as far as we know
01:02:18.340i don't think it was bibby watching right response ministries and cutting the stream you know um
01:02:22.220you know personally himself shut it down i think it was actually uh tucker carlson's team saying
01:02:27.820uh no we did this interview and uh and you guys are not going to get all the credit for it so
01:02:32.580you got to cut it which legally we are allowed to it's called fair use when you're providing
01:02:35.660commentary you're providing commentary but it's just but the big guys what we've noticed it um
01:02:40.080pretty much any clip we and we don't show a lot of clips but anytime we're doing like some kind
01:02:43.720of response to something we show it's not like we're you know firing up the live stream and
01:02:48.000showing the full two-hour interview and then at the end we're like hope you enjoyed it you know
01:02:51.300like our page um we're not some i mean there are some shameless youtubers who actually do precisely
01:02:56.860that um we we never do that uh because we we have some sense of dignity and uh and and try to you
01:03:03.320know have a conscience that can allow us to sleep at night but the few times that we have shown
01:03:07.340clips uh pretty much without fail i think it's exclusively joe rogan yep and and now tucker
01:03:13.360carlson this is the first time uh that his network so some of the big guys um they're they're pretty
01:03:18.140in terms of legally it's it's perfectly fair to show lord knows it's fair because um you know you
01:03:23.980know who gets clipped out and shown on other people's youtube channels all the time this guy
01:03:28.840right here right wing watch uh they clip me out there's no commentary at all it's just the clip
01:03:33.120they just repeat your words they literally like our commentary on this is repeating what he said
01:03:36.680so so that you know people do this all the time we actually do it legally uh by providing you know
01:03:42.620it's an hour and a half two hour episode and we're showing a grand total of you know seven
01:03:46.560minutes of content uh but we are not going to show anymore because we don't want the stream to get
01:03:50.620cut again and tucker carlson as much as we love him uh somebody over there is a little trigger
01:03:55.460happy on his team you know uh trying to punish right response ministries all right so um we
01:04:00.660got some super chats and we'll close with thoughts on iran let's head to our last commercial break
01:04:03.980yeah we'll be right back real quick uh before the commercial break because when we get done
01:04:07.940with the commercial i want you to be able to give some concluding thoughts with iran and me and
01:04:11.840Antonio to respond to that and do the super chats. But there's one, and Wes is going to hate it
01:04:17.000because he's heard me do this a million times, but I'm going to do it as quickly as possible.
01:04:20.380But there's one comment in the chat that I have to address. Somebody is saying, well,
01:04:25.640what about Romans 11? What about Romans 11? In a nutshell, this is my position. And I think it
01:04:32.040absolutely matters. So first, see my published works, right? So me and Pastor Andrew Isker,
01:04:37.580We did a nine-part series a few months back on all things related to Israel, and especially
01:04:43.280as it comes to dispensationalism and covenant theology, and what do you do about Romans
01:07:46.140and if the natural branches were cut off for unbelief um can they not also be grafted back in
01:07:53.020if you a wild olive shoot if you could be grafted in to this tree that's separate from you um then
01:08:00.960then the natural branches that were already a part of the tree it's it's actually an even easier
01:08:06.180more natural grafting process for them to be grafted back in and then here's the final thing
01:08:11.480He says, if their removal, if these natural branches, the Jews who rejected Christ, if their0.66
01:08:18.740removal and separation from the tree meant your salvation, you being grafted in, then what will
01:08:25.260their inclusion be? So he says, there will be a point. He says, for now, it's temporary and
01:08:30.560partial. For now, there's a partial hardening over the Israelite people, according to the flesh,
01:08:36.620that meaning some israelites were still being saved at that time but many were not because
01:08:42.140there was a partial hardening so there's a bunch of gentiles that are are not trickling in but they
01:08:47.020are they like a torrent they're they're flowing to christ so there's all these gentiles that are
01:08:53.060being saved in mass numbers and there are some jews that are being saved but there's a partial
01:08:58.340hardening so there's less there's a trickle there and what paul's saying is that this hardening is
01:09:04.060a corporate hardening over natural descendants, natural Israelite people, and that it's partial
01:09:09.820and that it's temporary. And what he says is that eventually they're going to be grafted back in.
01:09:14.780And he says, when they were taken out, it meant your salvation, your inclusion. When they're
01:09:19.060brought back in, that'll mean even more. It'll be even better. That's going to be life from the dead.
01:09:25.880Now here's how it pertains to Christians today. Many Christians, even those who adopt covenant0.91
01:09:31.920theology instead of dispensationalism. I still have a problem with many of them because what1.00
01:09:38.280they'll say is, well, I'm not a dispensationalist. I'm a historic Protestant, or I'm a Catholic for
01:09:44.380that matter, Roman Catholic, or I'm Eastern Orthodox even for that matter. And so what
01:09:48.460they'll say is, I'm not a dispensationalist. So what I reject is any physical promise that's
01:09:55.080still in our future, right? Something that's unfulfilled, but will be later on at some future
01:10:00.180day. I reject any future promises that would be physical, any land promises. So I reject the idea
01:10:08.020that if Israel somehow collapsed and they no longer had the land and they were no longer a
01:10:13.700nation state and they became exiles and were kicked out of that country, their own country,
01:10:18.480and that made 110 countries that they've been kicked out of over the centuries. And now they're
01:10:23.420nomads again, they're exiles, refugees. The guy who's not a dispensationalist and is saying,1.00
01:10:29.600I don't believe there's any physical land promises still in our future for Israel,0.68
01:10:33.680natural Israel, according to the flesh. They're basically saying, that wouldn't shake my faith,
01:10:39.580that wouldn't mess with my theology, I would be just fine. The only thing that I'm holding,
01:10:43.560Joel, in terms of a future promise yet to be fulfilled, but that will be fulfilled in our
01:10:49.220future, is spiritual promises. So I'm not a land physical promise guy, I'm a spiritual promise guy,
01:10:55.060And I'm just holding to Romans 11, Joel.0.98
01:10:57.580I'm just holding to Romans 11 that eventually natural Israel, right, the Jews physically,0.98
01:11:04.960not spiritual, that these people, physical descendants of Abraham, that they'll be grafted0.73
01:11:11.020back in to Christ, that they'll get saved.
01:11:13.580So I believe that there's going to eventually one day in our future be a spiritual revival0.99
01:11:18.620among the natural Jewish people and that they're going to come like a flood to0.94
01:11:25.020Christ. And when that happens, that's going to mean, like Paul says in Romans 11, life from the0.99
01:11:31.220dead for everybody else, all the other Gentile nations. So essentially, their position theologically1.00
01:11:36.920is this. They believe that there's a spiritual revival, salvation in mass for physical Jewish
01:11:44.220people still to come in our future, and that that will function as a catalyst that when that happens,0.60
01:11:51.380all these other Gentile nations, all the other nations of the world, that we're experiencing1.00
01:11:55.760some measure of salvation, some measure of Christendom, but there's a giant piece of the pie0.97
01:12:02.480of God's global revival for all his people, the Christianization of the world, Christendom
01:12:10.700reaching South America and reaching Africa. There's a great degree of the blessings of God,
01:12:18.520salvific blessings of god for all the other gentile nations in the world that hinges upon0.91
01:12:25.620the jews getting saved they've got to come back in so that everybody else can experience real
01:12:32.300revival we've had a good run these last 2 000 years right the gospel has spread to a lot of0.99
01:12:37.640places and sure there was like a thousand years a millennia of christendom in the west when it
01:12:42.900came to european peoples and there's cathedrals and there's you know biblical case law and all
01:12:48.220these different and that's good you know but that wasn't it we're still waiting for this global life0.97
01:12:53.800from the dead revival for all these other non-jewish nations and the contingency is at first
01:13:00.640israel has to get saved now what does that mean for your geopolitics right theology applied if
01:13:06.240you think theology applied isn't a thing and that's just for christians ted cruz we're talking
01:13:10.500about we're talking about world politics uh that are being guided by theology ted cruz is applying
01:13:18.160his sunday school theology and and and not just him but a ton of other american politicians
01:13:25.180are are doing exactly what ted cruz did and it could mean the difference in world war three
01:13:31.160or not okay so theology matters theology applied um here's the deal if you say well i'm not a
01:13:37.600dispensationalist. It's not a physical land promise thing. You know, they could have the land
01:13:42.040or not. And we'll, you know, we'll see what happens, what God does in his providence. But
01:13:45.120one thing that I hold to pastor is Romans 11, a spiritual revival for Israel, physical Israel,
01:13:52.760according to the flesh, they've got to have a revival. They've got to get saved in mass and
01:13:57.600become Christians. And until that happens, there's a huge blessing of God for every other nation on
01:14:02.920the planet that we have to sit around and wait for. What does that obligate you to? Well, what
01:14:08.600it obligates you to is this. You can say, well, it's not the land, and so that changes everything.
01:14:12.660It changes nothing. Here's the point. If we're all waiting, the entire world is waiting for the
01:14:18.540blessings of God to happen for us, and what has to happen as a prerequisite first is Israel getting
01:14:25.160saved. Well, for them to get saved, even if it's just spiritual, a spiritual revival for Israel,
01:14:30.200what that means at bare minimum is they have to at least exist they have to survive and you're0.96
01:14:36.800talking about a particular people that likes to pick fights with everyone a particular people
01:14:43.180that has been kicked out of 109 countries and so you're saying that the christian now right if i
01:14:49.280love the world so even if i don't i'm not particularly fond of israel if i love jamaica
01:14:54.840if i love uganda if i love the sudan and i want the whole world to experience the blessings of
01:15:01.520god and and the peace and joy that comes from having union with christ and being a christian
01:15:06.820if i want 8.3 billion people to not die and go to hell and to receive the blessings that are found
01:15:14.500in christ i am obligated morally obligated to make sure that israel gets saved and guess what0.91
01:15:21.560right now, when Christians go to do evangelism in Israel, they spit on them. So they're not
01:15:26.540getting saved anytime soon. I think we can all agree with that. So then what do I have to do
01:15:30.960in the meantime? Well, for them to get saved, at least one thing has to happen. They have to at
01:15:35.620least survive. And they are doing their darndest to commit suicide pretty much every year. They're
01:15:43.960literally, they're the squirrely kid on the playground that goes around and is just, you know,
01:15:49.060sucker punching every single kid and some of those kids twice their size and they're just going
01:15:54.480around doing this year after year after year after year they have a plan if they lose they'll just0.97
01:15:58.680blow the world up the samson option the samson that's literally their plan like if you don't
01:16:02.760come to our defense america well we will blow you up too right if we're about to go down your0.98
01:16:08.080greatest no world i'm taking you down a world without jews and so my point is theology matters0.91
01:16:12.460theology is always applied whether somebody's just a professing christian or whether they're0.94
01:16:16.660truly regenerate like people are all applying this theology of israel whether they're dispensationalists
01:16:23.900and it's like it's got to be the land or even if they're not dispensationalists and they're like
01:16:28.160well i'm a historic protestant or i'm a roman catholic um they still their their interpretation
01:16:33.980of romans 11 is israel has to survive we as a christian nation are morally obligated to see
01:16:40.160to their survival so that eventually they can get saved so that all these other countries don't die
01:16:45.060go to hell that's the theology so my position is i think that this already happened and you can
01:16:52.000watch a nine part series nine hours of content with me and pastor andrew isker as we talk
01:16:57.500historically and biblically why we believe that that's the case in 8070 god destroyed the nation
01:17:04.040state of israel in 8070 we believe leading up to that and at that time that people saw titus coming
01:17:12.460the Romans coming, sacking Jerusalem, destroying the temple, not one stone left standing on another.
01:17:19.100And they saw this before their very eyes as the exact fulfillment to what Jesus explicitly said0.82
01:17:25.340in the Olivet Discourse of Matthew chapter 24, where he said, you, before this generation,
01:17:30.980it's not a metaphor. He was speaking literally before this generation passes away. And 40 years
01:17:36.360later, lo and behold, one generation, the words of Jesus, one of the greatest prophecies ever
01:17:42.040given by christ himself they come to fruition one generation they do not pass away they're still
01:17:48.420many of them are still alive who heard the words of jesus at the olivet discourse in matthew 24
01:17:53.220when he says this is a local judgment he's not speaking of the end of the world he says that
01:17:57.700you can escape it right don't go and get your tunic you can run and avoid and escape the smog
01:18:03.140of desolation but you're going to see this thing happen and i believe and there are historians like
01:18:08.420josephus who was a jew and others that confirmed this that when this took place that many of the
01:18:13.300jewish people in 80 70 they saw it as the exact fulfillment to the words of christ and they
01:18:18.440realized in that moment oh my goodness he was right we crucified our messiah and they actually
01:18:24.400got out many were destroyed and died in jerusalem who did not believe they stayed thinking oh we'll
01:18:31.040make it god will defend us they stayed and they were conquered and they died but the ones who
01:18:35.840escaped. They escaped because they saw it as a fulfillment to Christ's words, and they believed,
01:18:42.020they heard and believed his words, and they said, whoa, this is what Jesus said would happen before0.87
01:18:46.740us, this generation passed away. He actually was the Messiah, and we should believe in him,
01:18:51.980salvation, so they became Christians, and also we should practically obey him by getting out of0.77
01:18:58.080Dodge. And so the Jews who lived were the Jews who became Christians. They converted to Christianity,0.80
01:19:03.420they believed the words of Jesus and they fleed they escaped from that desolation in 80 70 and0.67
01:19:09.920they mingled therefore they no longer have a nation state which means they're now refugees0.82
01:19:13.480and other places they committed themselves this is the logical conclusion committed themselves to
01:19:18.840the apostolic teaching of the new testament that says it is not about one who is a Jew outwardly0.74
01:19:23.400of the flesh but inwardly not circumcision of the flesh but circumcision of the heart so they no
01:19:27.640longer put stock in their Jewishness according to the flesh believe that Jesus was the Messiah0.60
01:19:32.960converted to christianity escaped the judgment all the ones who didn't have this heart heart
01:19:38.100change died stayed and died in the judgment and so now these guys they're christians they're alive
01:19:44.860and they're not putting stock in the flesh anymore and they don't have a nation state to mingle in0.92
01:19:50.040anymore so they're dispersed a dispersion among all these other gentile countries and they likely0.74
01:19:56.240logically intermarried with them and so who are the physical jews today here it is nobody0.71
01:20:02.700nobody there are palestinians they've swabbed 2 000 year old catacombs underneath israel and0.79
01:20:11.200there are palestinians that actually match up more than ashkenazi jews and there are people
01:20:16.180who argue for the black hebrew israelites and people who argue well the caucasians because
01:20:20.740they dispersed above the caucus mountain here i love all those views you know why i love them
01:20:24.920not because i believe i love all those views because i love every time somebody comes to me
01:20:29.420it says white people are actually the physical descendants. Black people are the descendants.
01:20:33.680Palestinians are the descendants. Ashkenazi Jews are the descendants. Or here, here's an alternative.1.00
01:20:39.940Titus destroyed the temple. The birth records were literally kept in the temple so that God
01:20:45.040in his providence saw fit that no one would be able to prove who actually was a descendant of
01:20:51.780Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Why? Because it doesn't matter. Because now what matters is faith in Christ.
01:20:59.060faith in christ and that revival that life for the dead from the dead revival that paul speaks
01:21:04.680about in romans 11 i'm not saying that god did not keep his word i'm not saying that the word
01:21:09.620of god returned void god forbid i would never say that any verse in holy scripture is not true and
01:21:16.860it will not come to pass what i'm saying is it is it paul in romans 11 which i date romans being
01:21:23.120written probably 80, 55, 80, 60, something like that. He writes this. And for him, it was in his
01:21:29.220future. And for the immediate audience that received his letter to the Romans, it was in
01:21:34.200their future. And it was fulfilled. It's not fulfilled 2,000 something years later, but it
01:21:39.540was fulfilled relatively soon, 15, 10, 20 years later, that all of a sudden the fulfillment to
01:21:46.500what Jesus said in Matthew 24 actually took place. A bunch of Jews still not believing Jesus stayed0.80
01:21:52.940and were destroyed and died. Other ones saw that as a confirmation that Jesus was a Christ.
01:21:58.760They repented of their sins. They repented of crucifying the Messiah. They put faith in Jesus
01:22:03.580and practically believed now that he's the Messiah, his words are true. They ran, like he said to do0.97
01:22:09.220in Matthew 24, escaped, intermarried over centuries. And today, what does it mean to bless Israel?
01:22:16.380blessing those who have faith in Jesus. There is no Israel of the Bible anymore. God saw to it0.80
01:22:24.600through apostolic teaching that is explicit and by providence that is implicit that we would not,
01:22:31.540even if we wanted to, we would not be able to identify, oh, these are the natural descendants
01:22:36.840of Abraham and I should give them my money or give them missiles so that God might give me a
01:22:43.280blessing that's my spiel let's go to a commercial break and we'll come back for our final segment
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01:29:33.280However, I don't know that the Samaritan angle is as helpful.
01:29:36.680Yeah, certainly not at the individual level.
01:29:38.680I mean, there's a sense in which, you know, you think about the Jews in the covenant,
01:29:44.480Samaritans outside of the covenant.0.77
01:29:46.120There's a sense in which we should view all people not in Christ as outside of the covenant.0.99
01:29:51.500In that sense of covenant keepers and covenant breakers, it is true that we ought to recognize Jews as outside of the covenant.0.93
01:29:59.200But what follows from that is that all people, not in Christ, are outside of the covenant, particularly, again, at the individual level.0.97
01:30:07.660Now, you can get into cultural assessments and talk about some cultures who are sort of more poignantly or pressing in a pressing way against Christ and Christ's kingdom being furthered.
01:30:18.900But at the individual level and in the general sense, I think that framework, covenant keepers and covenant breakers, is the right way to view.
01:30:28.760Yeah. Go back to the question, Nathan.
01:30:31.380Yeah, the reason I was hesitant to answer is, you know, he said, should we view Talmudic Jews similar to how Jews viewed the Samaritans?
01:30:39.780And then he kind of parsed it out, what he means by that.
01:30:43.400And one of the aspects he included was corruption of bloodline.
01:30:46.420um so the reason why it's kind of like a a blurring of categories is like what west said
01:30:53.060talmudic jews um is really just a reference to uh religious affiliation it's that's not a
01:30:58.700that's not an ethnic you know people that's that's not um that's there's no genetic you know
01:31:05.060designation of talmudic jews you could be uh you could be black and be a talmudic jew you could be
01:31:11.120Latino and be a Talmud Jew or Anglo or whatever. So no, I don't think that's helpful. But if you're
01:31:17.400just saying, should we view, like if you had said, for instance, should we view Ashkenazi Jews?
01:31:22.620Right now we're talking about an actual ethnicity. Ashkenazi Jews and the way that
01:31:28.920biblical Jews viewed the Samaritans as genetically corrupted, that they've intermarried and that it's
01:31:38.500not pure uh sure um that yeah i i think that that would be a fine analogy except even with that the
01:31:45.060disclaimer that i would want to offer is that um it doesn't matter like we get we give we give a
01:31:52.780lot of times like old testament um israel a hard time uh and rightfully so i mean they they they0.82
01:31:59.400they usually got it wrong you know god would say this and they would do the opposite you know they0.52
01:32:03.740they're always grumbling in the wilderness with Moses. And, you know, they, you know, like Moses
01:32:09.560is gone for, you know, 15 minutes and they're already worshiping golden calves. And so, you
01:32:15.180know, Israel, I think in the Old Testament in many ways stands as just a testimony to God's grace.
01:32:21.760You know, and even Deuteronomy, I believe it's chapter seven says, I did not choose you because
01:32:26.140of anything significant in you, in yourselves, in your own merit. I didn't choose you because
01:32:31.960you were the greatest people on the planet in fact you were the least um and and obviously he's0.93
01:32:35.880talking about uh israel's number at that at that point in choosing abraham one family of all the
01:32:40.480earth um but but i think you know implicitly more um can can be read out of that in a fair you know
01:32:46.800justifiable interpretation what god is saying essentially is i did not pick israel because
01:32:51.600they were mighty because they were strong because they were numerous um or because they were you
01:32:56.140know had a particular fidelity um in their worship and allegiance to me i didn't pick them for any of
01:33:01.320those reasons. If anything, I picked them because they were small, because they were weak, and
01:33:05.200because they were, if anything, Israel, according to the Old Testament, was supernaturally hard-headed
01:33:10.820and stiff-necked and rebellious. And God chose them to magnify His grace, to show how long-suffering
01:33:20.000He is, how patient He is, how steadfast He is, how He keeps covenant to the thousandth generation of
01:33:26.380those who fear him and love him and obey his commands. And so all that being said, I think
01:33:33.240that when you look at Israel in the Bible, Old Testament Israel, it's easy to give them a hard
01:33:38.920time. And I would say for the most part, rightfully so. That said, when they're thinking1.00
01:33:45.660of the Samaritans and these kinds of things, I guess what I'm trying to say is they had a point
01:33:50.100at that time they had a point so when you know the way they treated the samaritans obviously
01:33:56.660when jesus came on the scene there was some you know some corrections that he offered to them
01:34:01.900you know like the parable of the good samaritan for instance you know or the conversation that
01:34:06.820jesus has you know with the samaritan woman in john chapter 4 um at the well you know and says
01:34:12.320you know neither neither this place or that place but you know um but but a day is coming
01:34:17.200where true worshipers will worship God and spirit and truth. And so Jesus corrects this notion,
01:34:23.700but it wasn't completely illegitimate. And the notion that I'm referencing is that they put some
01:34:28.460stock, some measure of value in being physical descendants of Abraham. John chapter 8 is another
01:34:37.620reference where, again, Jesus corrects it by saying, do you not know that I can make children
01:34:42.520of abraham from the rocks you know like this this is not you know because the pharisees are
01:34:47.820insisting they're like we're not we're not illegitimate children you know we're you know
01:34:51.840we're children of abraham and jesus like no you're not and they appeal even higher than well we're
01:34:56.760actually just we're we're children of god and jesus says no you're actually i mean you thought
01:35:01.880you're not fatherless you you are children of someone but it's actually the devil the devil
01:35:06.720as your daddy um but my point is there's multiple places where israel old covenant israel in the
01:35:12.980bible um put some measure of value in um ancestry and and being actual physical descendants of
01:35:22.180of abraham and isaac and jacob our father jacob built this well or this like and my point is to
01:35:28.320say that yes jesus corrects those things um but there's a reason why it mattered because in the
01:35:34.080old covenant it actually was significant and that's not to say that no one could be grafted in
01:35:39.040right you have rahab you have ruth and there are plenty of others but there was something to be said
01:35:44.080for abraham had descendants as many as numerous as the stars and the sand on the shore and
01:35:50.200ultimately there's a reference to his spiritual descendants christians those who have faith in
01:35:54.400jesus but also his physical descendants and if you think that the flesh is of no account
01:35:58.480especially under the old covenant well then why didn't god just get it done with his his heir
01:36:03.320Eliezer, right? Or why did God not just get it done with Ishmael, right? That's, you know,
01:36:08.580that's Abraham's descendant, but it wasn't Sarah's. No, it had to be Isaac. It had to be the child
01:36:13.620of the promise. And that child who was the child of the promise also happened to be the genetic
01:36:19.180offspring. He was a physical descendant because it actually did matter. And so all the way back
01:36:25.280to the question, the reason why I don't think it's particularly helpful is you're doing a
01:36:29.400religious category and then an ethnic, right? So you're saying Talmudic Jews instead of, if you
01:36:34.300said Ashkenazi Jews and Samaritans, you're saying Talmudic Jews and Samaritans, which is more of a
01:36:40.000religious affiliation than a particular Jewish ethnicity. But even if you had said Ashkenazi
01:36:46.360Jews and Samaritans, I would agree with you that the Samaritans were actually a blend, intermarried
01:36:51.860of Jews and other tribes. And Ashkenazi Jews, based off of what I said earlier, I also believe
01:36:58.180is a corrupted bloodline, and not necessarily in a negative way with spiritual implications,0.99
01:37:04.000but just, no, you guys are not 100%, you know, descendants of Jacob. No way. I'm going to call
01:37:09.780BS on that. And so that would actually, that would be a better, it's not a blurring of categories,
01:37:14.240Ashkenazi Jews and Samaritans. But even then, my point is that in the Old Covenant,
01:37:19.940that would carry some stock. It would matter, you know, at least some. But under the New Covenant,
01:37:26.440it literally doesn't matter at all. The old covenant Jews, when they looked at Samaritans1.00
01:37:32.880and they had some problems with their pedigree, Jesus corrected them, but also they were on to0.98
01:37:40.480something. Today, 2,000 years after the coming of Christ and the tearing down of the division
01:37:47.940between Jew and Gentile to, to, to, to say that there's any stock at all in being, you know, a0.94
01:37:55.300100% 23 and me, you know, genetic descendant of Abraham is just retarded. Like that just doesn't0.98
01:38:03.280make any sense at all. Number one, it literally can't be proven. Number two, um, biblically
01:38:08.640speaking, it has no spiritual, um, implications or value whatsoever or merit. Um, so yeah, so I
01:38:15.660was just long answer but my point is yeah i you know you put it on the chat god bless you um but
01:38:22.920yeah i would keep that one probably uh to myself all right let's do justin h he left a hundred
01:38:29.340dollars between two super chats and had a great question antonio do you want to read it yeah uh
01:38:33.720so justin says i go to a john mcarthur church um i am a post mail do you think the current issues
01:38:39.900in the Middle East and the dispensational view will come up more in John MacArthur's sermons.
01:38:46.720Do you think they will call for support? What do you think? Yeah, I mean, I think it's certainly
01:38:53.760on the table. From what I understand about John MacArthur, I don't know him to step into
01:39:02.360those kinds of issues all that much. But yeah, I mean, again, harking back on what we've talked
01:39:09.040about in in the episode is like it is it would be consistent for for them to call for support
01:39:17.860for israel and for for america to get involved in the uh war um i so so again that's why i say it's
01:39:26.480not off the table i think i think there are many people in john mccarthur's congregation that
01:39:30.740would think precisely that thing yeah um but in terms of whether or not there will be some top
01:39:35.680down recognition of that uh i think it's a little bit harder to tell yeah i don't know uh he you're
01:39:42.440right he he it's not his mo to uh to have specific political applications um but he but it's also not
01:39:51.620um non-existent like like macarthur has and in some cases i you know things that i really appreciate
01:39:58.080uh but like weighing in on elections um and uh and even like uh voting for trump and things like
01:40:05.720that so it is something that he's done before and so i think it's possible um but i i'll also say
01:40:12.060that john mccarthur um his health from what i hear has improved uh but he is also um i mean i i'm not
01:40:20.840sure i think he's like 157 years old at this something like that he's only been in the pulpit
01:41:21.460I'd hope at your church, the pastors there that are filling the pulpit, that are caring for the saints, that they can kind of recognize the times and say, there might be some import here.
01:41:29.200And privately, I think the end times are near, but practically, as far as their day in, day out instruction to the sheep, they're content to say, we recognize that more and more people just hold different views on this.