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00:00:30.000 Welcome. Here we are once more. It is Wednesday. And to remind the listener, we told everybody

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00:00:54.100 uh antonio is out and so uh our very own wesley todd and myself are going to be interviewing a

00:01:00.660 special guest john waters who is the author of a new book the abolition of reality which is

00:01:07.480 recently published by western front books located here in texas john the author is actually

00:01:12.940 living in dublin ireland and so we're going to pipe him in and interview him on why he wrote

00:01:19.140 this book and what the book's about and we'll take questions from you the audience in our third

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00:02:07.280 slash donate. Okay, okay, okay. Good afternoon. Here we are. And as promised, we have a special

00:02:23.520 guest who's going to be joining us today. This is John Waters, the author of The Abolition

00:02:29.080 of Reality. John, thanks for coming on the show. It's a pleasure. Thank you for having

00:02:33.460 me you are very welcome so i'm going to start with a two-part question and give you as much

00:02:39.880 time as you want i mean you could take the whole first segment you've got about 20 minutes to answer

00:02:44.020 this question we can ask follow-up ones but i'm sure there's plenty right here to discuss and so

00:02:48.960 here's the question for pretty much any author what is this book about the abolition of reality

00:02:55.360 and what inspired you to write this book um well it's it's about the last five years

00:03:03.440 of western civilization and indeed the world more generally which what's happened what's happened

00:03:08.940 in the course of what the world bank has been calling the covet project otherwise known as

00:03:14.320 covet uh to everybody else what the world bank call it the covet project which is a very interesting

00:03:19.120 formulation i think and i think as we go on people will begin to understand that this is actually

00:03:24.020 probably a more accurate um term than than simply covet but uh i i i um i i started i was in i i

00:03:34.200 started first of all uh in the spring of 2020 watching what was happening in my country and in

00:03:40.440 the world and really only been unable to to to to uh believe that it was actually happening in in

00:03:49.400 society that i'd grown up in which was you know a free society pretty much that i was able to move

00:03:58.280 and do what i pleased in a certain sense move around my country and speak to whoever i please

00:04:03.640 speak to and and suddenly they were telling me that i wasn't permitted to leave my house unless

00:04:10.680 i had a reasonable excuse and if i had and did they i would have to stay within two kilometers

00:04:17.960 of my house and to me that was unthinkable and at that point myself and a friend a former other

00:04:26.800 another former journalist decided that we would take a constitutional action against this

00:04:32.540 and we went to the court and we got to run around there for actually two and a half years

00:04:37.080 before they basically shut us down but I didn't start it in in September of that year once I

00:04:45.360 began to realize this was going to go on for a long time it seemed I decided that I would

00:04:50.600 start to write about it because I hadn't I'd been kind of cancelled from as a journalist from the

00:04:57.140 mainstream some years before and I had been writing for first things in the United States and

00:05:03.160 also for the spectator various publications like that but I didn't have a fixed regular platform

00:05:09.340 that I could use in this way.

00:05:13.380 So I learned about Substack

00:05:16.600 and my stepdaughter set me up on Substack

00:05:19.900 and off I went.

00:05:21.960 And so I really just wrote about various aspects

00:05:26.140 of what was happening

00:05:27.040 from the viewpoint of understanding

00:05:29.700 that what was going on was extraordinarily varied,

00:05:33.340 very sinister, very complex

00:05:36.820 and very very deeply thought out and i decided that i needed to find out i had very limited

00:05:45.780 knowledge of lots of the different things that were happening for example propaganda i had a

00:05:49.860 skeletal knowledge of propaganda but i didn't really think that it was sufficient to understand

00:05:56.060 what was happening so i started to investigate these things and read about these things and then

00:06:01.260 to write out of that uh uh reading and reflection on what was happening and uh i put together i

00:06:08.280 wrote like hundreds of thousands of words in the course of the next four years and in there about

00:06:15.000 a year ago uh joseph dingdinger approached me and said that he'd been reading my uh substack

00:06:23.560 and he would love to publish my a book of my work in this area and so that's how i then began to

00:06:30.640 put together this this collection which is really directed at it's directed at the the things that

00:06:38.260 were happening that the skeletal story of what the meaning of this is and the methodologies that

00:06:44.980 were used and the purpose of it and where it what what kind of strange things are going on in the

00:06:54.100 in the in the in the undertones of this whole experience and uh and really with the view to

00:07:01.400 producing a book literally a book because i don't really trust the online thing to stay i

00:07:06.680 even though everybody says oh no if it's online it's it's there forever i don't believe that i

00:07:11.620 don't think it's true at all they can take it away at any moment whoever they are and so i decided i

00:07:19.200 wanted to write a book and that I wanted it to be for the future you know that that in the event

00:07:26.100 that as seemed to be likely that our history would be terminated and then started from scratch

00:07:33.340 in in an entirely new vein and from an entirely different perspective I wanted a book that would

00:07:40.040 actually be rooted in the factual history that I had learned and that I had watched in my life

00:07:46.280 And I was inspired to some extent by rereading 1984, George Orwell's novel about his totalitarian dystopia set in that year, 1984, which I remember very well, that actual year.

00:08:04.440 And I read the book before that year, you know, and I decided it would be good to read the book afterwards, you know, that I should read it again after 1984 had passed and see what effect that had on me.

00:08:17.420 And so I but when I was reading it, I came across this section where the hero of the book, if you like, the protagonist, Winston Smith, is starting a diary and he he's sitting in an alcove, which he which he believes mistakenly, as it turns out, is hidden from the telescreen on the wall.

00:08:41.740 and so he's writing this beautiful new notebook he's got and he's saying to himself well who am

00:08:46.660 i writing for and he decides um for the future for the unborn and i decided well that's what i

00:08:53.540 will do i'll write a book for the unborn uh and and to to and and produce a book for the unborn

00:09:01.360 now much of the material in the book is is more or less the same as it was in the original

00:09:07.280 a substact form uh there are a couple there are some chapters which are rewritten substantially

00:09:11.820 uh and uh you know amounting to quite a proportion of the book it's a very big book it's something

00:09:19.640 like a quarter of a million words uh and i had that's really really extremely economical i had

00:09:25.660 vastly more material if i wanted to to to to include it but you know there's a limit to what

00:09:31.140 a book can hold uh physically as well as in other senses uh both books fall apart if there's too

00:09:37.900 much in them uh so uh that's essentially why i i i wrote it and i i was moved to write it because

00:09:44.980 um i was just stunned that this was happening you know i i remember as i said 1984 about the year

00:09:53.340 1984 and i remember there being a buzz in around the whole place at that time about orwell

00:10:00.360 and his vision of this dystopia and you know it was kind of an exciting thing in a way you know

00:10:07.460 it was kind of like this story this bizarre story of something that couldn't possibly happen could

00:10:12.060 it in our countries in our nations in our civilization and yet here we were now right

00:10:18.560 there and everybody had been talking about you know 1984 and sort of you know imagining well

00:10:24.780 isn't it wonderful that we're in the free west and these things can't happen here and so on

00:10:28.760 and here they were happening and so that's fundamentally and then to go into a system

00:10:34.480 that i thought was constructed with justice and truth and and beauty and and and all of these

00:10:40.940 things in mind that these were the uppermost values and find that all of the values that i

00:10:45.620 thought i i take it for granted really they were now in the in the in the in the the garbage can

00:10:53.540 as you would say uh waiting for disposal and uh that that really staggered me to be honest and

00:11:00.020 and i decided you know that i should uh put a record out there that people in the future can

00:11:07.580 pick up and at least begin to piece together you know maybe well first of all uh what happened in

00:11:14.540 the world uh what what what does this book say about what the world was like before and and and

00:11:22.440 what is this book saying about what might be done to reverse this and so i i try to answer those

00:11:28.900 questions in the course of the book you know so that's basically yeah no i appreciate that so it

00:11:34.180 sounds like right there at the end you said um you know what could be done to reverse that and so it

00:11:38.760 sounds like uh in your book you don't just uh discuss the the diagnosis and and how did we get

00:11:45.440 here and how severe um this this psyop and propaganda really was but um how to reverse it

00:11:53.520 it sounds like you discussed some of the solutions for the listener or at least uh i should say for

00:11:58.020 the viewer i'm holding the book right now i'll hold it up for the camera so that you can see it

00:12:02.060 clearly uh this is um a copy of the book and john was not lying uh when he said uh the book is quite

00:12:09.740 thick. You could purchase it as a doorstopper, or you could read it. We would highly suggest

00:12:17.120 the latter. But this is not a small book. The words, there are many words, lots of words on

00:12:24.260 each page. So I think you said a quarter million words, which is substantial. But going back to my

00:12:30.460 question real quick, so it sounds like, correct me if I'm wrong, that you don't just give the

00:12:34.800 diagnoses and what happened with this COVID project, this propaganda, and what led up to it,

00:12:40.140 but how we might, by the grace of God, be able to reverse it, some solutions. Is that correct?

00:12:48.020 Yeah, that's treaded into it. I mean, there are various things. I mean, one of the strongest,

00:12:53.320 I think, sections in that regard, there's a Belgian psychologist called Matthias Desmet,

00:13:00.320 who became very high profile during this whole episode

00:13:04.700 talking about totalitarianism and mass formation

00:13:09.640 and mass entranment, these concepts, you know.

00:13:13.380 And I interviewed him several times

00:13:16.140 because I found him really interesting.

00:13:17.600 And some of the, all of the, well, most of the interviews

00:13:21.260 that I did with Emmanuel are included as text

00:13:23.380 in an index at the back of the book.

00:13:25.620 And he was very, very clear that the most important thing in the face of such circumstances is for people not to give up, not to give in and not to give up, that you must continue and never disregard as being too little anything you can do by way of standing up to this tyranny.

00:13:51.360 Because this, at least he says, will mitigate the cruelty somewhat. It may not prevent, it may not stop, it may not thwart the project, but it will actually mitigate the cruelty. And that's very important.

00:14:06.440 Another thing that I dealt with, which is quite related to that, in fact, and I don't think that Matthias, Matthias wasn't aware of this particular person when I was talking to him at first, but he became aware of him then.

00:14:19.060 That is Václav Havel, the former, the late now, president of Czechoslovakia and the Czech Republic between 1990 and I think 2004.

00:14:31.400 And he wrote an extraordinary essay many years before called The Power of, I think about 1976, The Power of the Powerless.

00:14:40.600 And it's about, you know, what people in their ordinary lives can do, because, you know, there are only sort of certain set pieces that you can describe by way of removing a rogue regime.

00:14:54.320 You can, by violent insurrection, by voting, perhaps, it's a long shot, and by Velvet Revolution, which is the way that Václav Havel eventually led his country out of communism, whereby the people of Prague were brought onto the street, literally a million of them, and they stayed there for 12 days until the communist government ran away.

00:15:21.100 But Havel tells this story in this essay about a greengrocer in Prague who has a sign in his window and among the vegetables.

00:15:31.680 And the sign says, is that the height of the communist era, it says, workers of the world unite.

00:15:39.180 And Havel says that this greengrocer does not believe the sentiment, but he has this sign there in order for a quiet life, essentially.

00:15:46.840 And Havel says that this is the problem, that if people, you know, as it were, refuse to refuse, then they support, they actually endorse and buttress the tyranny.

00:16:01.400 And that the important thing is that even in the smallest ways to simply refuse to cooperate, to refuse to do the things that you're being asked, the absurd things or to say the absurd beliefs that you're told, you know, that men can become women, for example, just off the top of my head, you know, that if you refuse to do these things, it is no little thing.

00:16:25.620 It is no small thing to do that every day. And that might be in the context of the so-called pandemic, to refuse to wear a face covering, which you believe to be absurd, or whatever that might be. And that ultimately, then, that that is what really leads to the disintegration of tyranny, when you have a sufficient, a critical mass of people who are simply refusing to cooperate.

00:16:51.680 i completely agree john you're right i i told you know people as we were going through you know the

00:16:57.960 pandemic i i said uh it's not that the um that the medical science changed what really happened

00:17:03.440 is that the political science changed and it changed precisely uh where in our case in our

00:17:08.740 country when the american people uh no longer had the will to comply the moment that america said

00:17:14.940 we're done with this oh turns out uh you don't have to wear a mask anymore it turns out you can

00:17:19.620 you know you can go outside you could they immediately lessened all the different restraints

00:17:24.500 and restrictions the moment that people uh said we're we're not having it and so you're right

00:17:29.740 all these little things um we sometimes think that well there's nothing i can do i'm just a

00:17:34.180 number i'm one of millions um but all these small things actually add up um refusing to wear you

00:17:40.160 know a piece of cloth over your face all these different things make a great deal of difference

00:17:44.740 So Wesley Todd actually has some questions that he's going to ask you, but before we get to some of his questions and give you a chance to respond, I just want to remind those who are watching us live right now, go ahead and put your questions in the chat and make it clear, distinguish it from just a comment question, you know, and then go ahead and write whatever questions you have for John.

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00:22:00.380 So welcome back. Once again, we have John Waters with us. John is the author of

00:22:05.080 the abolition of reality and john i want to connect the things that you're saying to the

00:22:10.020 title of your book you mentioned 1984 which it's funny i actually remember reading it for the first

00:22:14.900 time in 2020 but a real life example of 1984 and something orwell's modeling this is also his

00:22:20.580 earlier book animal farm is communist russia and i think of alexander solzhenitsyn and you use that

00:22:26.560 title the abolition of reality and it's a great title there's also really a truth to it because

00:22:31.520 much of what communist Russia did and said was we want you to go ahead and disbelieve

00:22:37.160 what you've seen the party has given its orders the party has rendered its verdict on this

00:22:42.360 there's only the current this is in 1984 as well you think of Stalin when he would fall out of

00:22:47.380 favor with someone they would get removed from the picture like no of course this is all the

00:22:51.860 picture ever included just me and these three people me and these two people it's just me alone

00:22:56.660 in this picture that's all it's ever been and so we've actually seen the historical precedent that

00:23:00.820 the party that the the elite they would come in and say you need to disbelieve this is from 1984

00:23:07.140 the party's requirement was to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears and that was its final most

00:23:12.140 essential command but it happened again oh covid can get you if you're standing up sit down in a

00:23:18.180 restaurant you're fine take a vaccine now this will protect me right i won't get sick oh no you'll

00:23:24.080 still get sick with it and you'll still die could you connect the pieces with they literally told

00:23:29.040 you reality is not what you think it is it's not the evidence you have in front of you uh it's what

00:23:34.220 we decided to make it yeah that's right that's right and then the title has multiple kind of

00:23:41.600 resonances you know in that in the sense that one of the things they did was you know create a

00:23:46.940 pseudo reality uh which deceived people into believing that you know the world was now utterly

00:23:52.560 different and the moral systems of the world were different and uh you know that we had to you know

00:23:58.160 you individual freedoms were somehow forfeit to the crowd to the mob to the to the collective

00:24:06.280 but there's another dimension as well and it's very much in relation to what you said there about

00:24:11.520 the the final chapter which is one of the pieces the pieces in the book which is is new it didn't

00:24:17.900 originally it hasn't appeared before the book and it's called satanic playground and what it's

00:24:24.140 about really is is the the weaponization of the play instinct in humans which is possibly one of

00:24:31.680 the most you know fundamental uh instincts of humanity and also actually of animals many

00:24:38.360 categories of animal play and demonstrably play and they it seems to me and i've gone through this

00:24:46.340 in great detail because when you actually look at back at those uh satanic dancing nurses you

00:24:52.800 ask yourself well what was that about you know this dark sort of dance of not just dancing but

00:24:57.340 you know burlesquing the very idea of illness you know making fun of the idea of dead bodies and so

00:25:05.300 on coffins being danced around with you know that kind of thing and and i went into this in some

00:25:12.220 detail but the idea of the the play and the game if you think about you know when you when you were

00:25:18.940 child and at christmas time you would get a new game uh which are maybe your siblings or your

00:25:24.840 friends and everybody then would eventually uh they would read through the the the small little

00:25:30.880 booklet that was in the box and you would read them and try to figure out what these rules were

00:25:34.680 saying and then everybody would sit around for a sort of a test game and work out the rules between

00:25:40.240 them and uh you know the word the rules in the book in the the book that didn't have to relate

00:25:45.320 to the real world as it were they were internal to the game and there was no point in in arguing

00:25:50.640 or pleading the facts of the real world in the in the game and and and when you think about it you

00:25:57.740 know the thing about you're talking about the the the face covering like you know a game for example

00:26:02.020 where you you walk into a room and you can you are permitted to you must have your face covered

00:26:08.120 when you're walking to the room uh say a bar and and you can you must hold you must wear the mat

00:26:15.700 the face covering as you walk across the floor but as soon as you see a chair and sit on it you

00:26:22.280 can take the face covering off and then you can sit there for as long as you like and no face

00:26:27.860 covering and that's fine you can breathe as heavily as you like and that's fine there's no

00:26:31.980 danger then to anybody from this disease you are suffering you might be suffering from but if you

00:26:37.780 stand up again you must put the face covering on and if you walk to the the the bathroom or

00:26:43.240 to the bar you must wear the the face covering now now if you go to the to the to the bar and

00:26:50.680 you want to order some food well you can order a nine men a nine euro in our case possibly a nine

00:26:56.960 dollar meal i don't know about the american situation but we in europe were had to wear

00:27:01.580 to order meals no less than nine euros not 8.99 so you eat you have a nine euro meal and in order

00:27:10.980 to eat that you are you you you you can take off the face covering and then you can eat and and

00:27:17.580 you can then put you then you must put it back as long as you are standing up but if you can go back

00:27:23.660 to your seat and sit down you can take it off again okay now this is the game right and these

00:27:28.000 are the rules and and nobody questions those rules why because they're the rules it's not like they

00:27:32.820 have to make sense in the real world and that's one of the fiendish tricks they played on people

00:27:37.580 they sucked people into a logic that was completely absurd completely surreal and convinced them of

00:27:44.480 the necessity for it by making the thing feel like a game you understand it's really quite fiendish

00:27:51.160 when you think about it and so i go into that idea very substantially i'd written this originally

00:27:56.200 back in 2021 it was one of the earliest uh things i wrote but when i went through the the article

00:28:02.060 the chapters and i i wasn't happy with that particular one i didn't feel that i i captured

00:28:07.800 the idea adequately so i didn't include it at first but then when i got to the coming to the

00:28:12.600 end of putting the book together i realized that it wasn't really the ending was just it was sort

00:28:19.940 falling off a cliff you know and i wanted to to to to uh do something more um resonant you know to

00:28:27.380 to leave people with some feeling of you know the the absurdity of this and so on so i rewrote it

00:28:34.980 completely and it expanded enormously in that process uh so i i'm i'm very happy with that

00:28:40.420 chapter it's a very long chapter but i think it's probably i don't know that anybody else has

00:28:45.140 actually really gone into that idea i have seen reference to the idea in general terms but i don't

00:28:51.200 think anybody else has gone into it in depth interesting i want to go to a shorter chapter

00:28:56.800 from your book i haven't read all of it but there's a fascinating short chapter on the new

00:29:01.260 aristocracy i think it's from around 2022 and you call out and this is huge and this is the world

00:29:06.900 that we're still living in right now we're living downstream of a massive amount of wealth

00:29:11.880 consolidation within the top tiers and you point out that leftist commentators even those that were

00:29:17.900 willing enough to be honest and to be forthright and to uh to just deal with reality as it was

00:29:23.360 that they anticipated that there was many ways an accumulation of wealth this is your jeff bezos this

00:29:28.080 is your mark zuckerberg this is this is big tech companies and covet was a massive boon to them

00:29:34.360 when you were sitting at home shopping your mom and pop store that you started and you ran for 30

00:29:38.720 years you had to be closed but amazon was pumping out i mean literally orders uh thousands of

00:29:45.140 dollars on the second and so we saw this massive accumulation of wealth and it's interesting

00:29:50.120 because i think you wrote this in 2022 and right at the end of 2022 a tool came out that has changed

00:29:55.440 the world since and that was chat gpt and in the years following that we've seen the explosion of

00:30:00.120 ai and ai i mean just today microsoft announced the layoff of 9 000 jobs this comes on the heels

00:30:07.260 of cuts at AT&T, cuts at Verizon, cuts at Business Insider, all because they're able to do more

00:30:12.980 faster, more efficiently through AI. And it seems to be really continuing this trend. So

00:30:18.140 I know that chapter is from a little bit earlier, but I think I see, and you could tell me if you

00:30:22.240 agree, the same thing that COVID started with the elite and the collection and accumulation of wealth

00:30:27.520 at the top. You talk about basically a 1% class of trillionaires and then nothing. The rest of

00:30:33.780 it's just simply flat you have a mountain and then there's no foothills no smaller mountains

00:30:38.140 it's just level at the base could you expand on that well this was one of the most shocking

00:30:44.140 aspects of the whole thing for me because again i i had grown up in in ireland and which would

00:30:49.600 have you know a country that it was kind of having been uh somewhat backward in in the past was

00:30:57.440 speeding up and and and and it was developing all kinds of new fangled ideas and becoming a

00:31:03.380 globalist economy and so on and also a transnational economy really it wasn't an irish economy but

00:31:09.780 the whole the whole value system that we were breathing in was to do with you know certain

00:31:16.860 values which were kind of somewhat leftish increasingly but at the core of those ideas up

00:31:22.880 to 2020 was the idea of was an idea of suspicion of those who were grasping and in terms of their

00:31:31.120 their relationship to uh their function in the economy or in in life in general i mean the idea

00:31:37.960 of acquisition uh acquisitiveness was a kind of frowned upon in that culture uh you know in the

00:31:45.040 sense that people who were you know that there was always a sense that you had to as a as a

00:31:50.320 businessman you know honor the society which had enabled you to become wealthy and so on

00:31:57.740 And suddenly, such values seem to just disappear, to evaporate all overnight. And people who had been previously vocally left wing suddenly seem to be, if you listen to them carefully, saying things or adopting positions that supported the most powerful and the richest forces on the planet in becoming even richer and more powerful.

00:32:22.180 and this seemed to me to be extraordinary to me i i because i i was somebody who started off as

00:32:29.140 a kind of a soft leftist you know uh 30 40 years ago and and kind of gradually through life

00:32:35.840 experience began to see that this was a very kind of shallow and limited worldview and i change in

00:32:42.200 various ways i don't know what i would call myself i don't like terms actually like left and right

00:32:46.580 that much but they're sort of a useful shorthand to make points around these kind of questions

00:32:51.420 But I kind of, you know, whereas I moved, let's say, to the right, I wasn't really, you know, I didn't really oppose liberal ideas in the classical sense.

00:33:09.120 You know, I believed in liberty. I believe in freedom. I believe in the right to speak and to express opinions that were controversial or whatever, you know.

00:33:22.740 So suddenly it seemed that these values were, I mean, people were saying that, you know, liberty is a far right obsession.

00:33:29.240 like people were actually said things like this you know suddenly in in one week in in in may of

00:33:37.000 2020 out of nowhere and i kind of thought how did did everybody get some long very long memo

00:33:44.520 that i i missed right you know everybody seemed to be really adapted to what was happening in a way

00:33:52.960 that i couldn't understand now i don't even understand i don't think that the explanation

00:33:57.540 that they were offering which was that there is a deadly pandemic which I knew there wasn't anyway

00:34:01.840 but even if there was I always have said I insist they had no right to do what they did

00:34:07.200 these people these politicians in each individual country had no whatsoever no authority to do the

00:34:13.300 things they did or impose the restrictions they did and yet only a tiny minority of people

00:34:20.200 taught that and said that at the time now more people are beginning to say it now and maybe

00:34:26.540 seeking to rewrite history their own history a little bit but we know i remember you know at that

00:34:31.660 time almost nobody was speaking out nobody was and and if you did you were attacked and i was

00:34:36.620 attacked all the time i mean for two and a half years i couldn't i couldn't walk down the street

00:34:40.700 without being attacked yeah yeah i was gonna say you you mentioned too briefly i think one of the

00:34:49.820 big transitions and obviously ireland is much smaller than the united states but even the

00:34:54.140 economy now has been much more transitioned to very western focus as far as its imports and

00:34:59.480 exports obviously immigration as far as i can trust headlines not being there what's undergone

00:35:05.160 too is not just a change in well for a couple years we had policies on social distancing and

00:35:10.040 policies on restaurants but the entire economic fabric of a people that for hundreds of years

00:35:16.060 have occupied this place has pretty much overnight been changed correct would that be an accurate way

00:35:20.360 to describe it definitely yeah i mean everything about our code it's clear that that there has

00:35:26.220 been a determined attempt to reinvent the entire west and to to impose on it all kinds of things

00:35:34.420 that really are almost are incredible really not almost we are incredible i mean that this idea of

00:35:41.520 the the mass migration isn't it isn't even mass migration it's mass plantation it's it's it's it's

00:35:48.780 the coercive

00:35:51.780 replacement, in effect,

00:35:54.900 of our number. And certainly in Ireland

00:35:56.420 that's the case. I mean, Ireland is

00:35:57.900 now terminally ill.

00:36:00.600 And I mean that literally.

00:36:02.520 You know, we used to say, seven or eight

00:36:04.260 years ago, when we first began to sort of

00:36:06.380 really talk about this quite

00:36:08.260 openly, myself and some friends,

00:36:10.600 we said that, you know, by the way things were going

00:36:12.380 then, Ireland would

00:36:14.260 be, the Irish people would be a minority

00:36:16.500 in their own country by 2050.

00:36:18.780 Well, I'm very sad to say that we were completely wrong about that

00:36:23.180 because now the chances are that that will happen before 2035,

00:36:27.440 if not by 2030.

00:36:29.280 The numbers are increasing of outsiders coming in

00:36:33.580 is increasing and is swelling at such a rate 0.99

00:36:36.680 and nobody can trust the statistics that are being given

00:36:41.640 because to look at any streetscape, you wouldn't even think.

00:36:45.340 you know they tell us it's 20 25 percent of now non-national well i'm sorry if you look at any

00:36:50.980 urban streetscape you're thinking it's something like 70 percent yeah what blows my mind and it

00:36:58.460 makes me angry and others have pointed this out too the people were never asked well one of one

00:37:04.760 of at least if you could try to to sum up some of the benefits or at least the good things we have

00:37:09.200 going for us since world war ii is that typically in the mess in the west most nations would be

00:37:13.900 democratic that would refer to theoretically the people themselves and their rule their will

00:37:19.400 is what's being exercised that when we in the united states we elect representatives and they

00:37:23.880 represent our will but whether it be here in the united states whether it be the uk or whether it

00:37:28.140 be ireland we were never asked and as we ask for it to stop as anyone that basically runs on an

00:37:35.520 anti-immigration party typically enjoys decent success then they get in office they refuse to

00:37:40.760 carry it out or if we're here in the united states even our own representatives our own senators

00:37:46.280 refusing to vote to strip medicaid that is health benefits from those are here those who are here

00:37:52.620 legally we were never asked we're telling them we don't want it to continue and they say it sounds

00:37:58.120 like you want more which is i mean can you think of something more to tell tarian and coercive

00:38:05.200 we will take in the case of ireland this historic christian english or not english but a european 0.82

00:38:11.520 nation and we will dispossess it and we will make it a land of foreigners we don't want that it's 0.66

00:38:16.760 having all these downstream effects we don't care that's right it's the contempt of this is the most 0.77

00:38:23.380 i suppose scarifying aspect of all of this that the demeanor and the the visage of the political

00:38:30.320 class has changed utterly from what it was six or seven years ago that they now look at their

00:38:36.840 own people their indigenous peoples in all countries i see pretty much maybe not in the

00:38:41.360 united states certainly not president trump it doesn't do that but most countries most european

00:38:47.420 countries certainly you know france germany britain ireland the the leaders of the the so-called

00:38:55.760 leaders of the political establishment they look upon those who vote for them as you know animals

00:39:02.560 almost they have just total discontent for them total disregard for their opinions they tell them 0.75

00:39:08.420 ridiculous lies like they tell them that for example that they have an international obligation

00:39:13.240 to take in outsiders well i say nobody and then there's no discussion uh those of us who have 0.95

00:39:19.340 something to ask or a question to any question to pose to these people are never permitted near

00:39:27.400 them like because the obvious question is well if you have an international obligation how come

00:39:33.700 ireland has taken in pro rata double what its nearest competitor as it were in this context

00:39:43.040 has brought in in the last 25 years in other words we have twice as many as the second

00:39:50.800 country in in that league which is spain and yet we're told that this is an international

00:39:58.800 obligation well how come this international obligation is not shared by other countries

00:40:03.060 in europe and they don't have you they don't have to answer such questions because nobody in the

00:40:07.760 public square asked them is permitted to ask them and so the public are there thinking well i i don't

00:40:16.800 like this but i better keep my mouth shut because i'm going to sound like a racist and that's the

00:40:22.020 way it's done and and but you see the other point is really that many people just don't get that

00:40:29.880 this is terminal they can't imagine such a thing you know you don't you don't need to be much of a

00:40:36.300 mathematician to see when you look at the the inflows when you look at the proportions like

00:40:41.320 i mean i'll just give you off the top of my head you know a figure i saw recently by the central

00:40:45.800 statistics office which said that people the numbers of people who the increase in the irish

00:40:50.620 population between 2019 and last year breaks down as follows

00:40:55.900 94 percent is alien oh and six percent is indigenous the increase now how long do you

00:41:12.300 think a country like ours can survive with those kind of of metrics wow and even if you took

00:41:21.440 relatively compatible people say you took uh england to germany so 94 like you said over the

00:41:27.760 last five years of germany's growth say it was just from england that alone would cause massive

00:41:33.700 problems but from the third world of integration of language of jobs and to root it in the title

00:41:40.280 of your book when asked this is going terribly look at what's happening to our children especially

00:41:45.920 in england and the politicians literally say why would you believe your lying eyes over the soothing

00:41:53.120 kind anti-racist words and rhetoric that i'm telling you well you know and then there's the

00:41:59.120 islamic question because i mean this is this is something that is not really discussed either

00:42:04.160 because you know look at lebanon like which in fact you know 80 years ago was a completely white

00:42:10.320 population now it yeah and when it began to expand and migrants started to come in particularly

00:42:16.540 muslims the the indigenous population said oh we're a tolerant people we're going to

00:42:21.280 integrate with our newcomers and we're going to share power and we're so you know if we okay we

00:42:28.220 have a a white president but we're going to have a muslim prime minister yes certainly and that was

00:42:34.980 all very well until the other side became the majority and then it all changed and that's what

00:42:40.560 happens that's what happens the the idea people just reflue you see one of the things they do is

00:42:45.920 they demonize certain concepts so that you um by using certain words you set off all kinds of

00:42:53.440 alarms like if you say replacement which i do or if you say invasion which i do or if you say

00:42:59.760 plantation which i do and i i take the view that you know if you want to know what are the most

00:43:04.760 important words to use then look at the words they're telling you you can't use because they're

00:43:09.560 the ones they want to suppress so that people don't get to hear them but this is really you

00:43:15.080 know i say to people this is this is how it is you know that the way things are going your children

00:43:20.960 will not have a homeland in which to lay their heads and call their own

00:43:25.840 the people coming here the people coming here from other countries whatever the conditions 1.00

00:43:35.540 in those countries they have homelands to return to right we won't have any place to go 1.00

00:43:41.460 yeah yeah that's what's so tragic about all of it um yeah those of european descent and western 0.99

00:43:49.860 countries they don't have another home to go to you're exactly right uh we're going to go to our 1.00

00:43:54.160 last commercial break now of the day and when we come back we're going to try to deal with some of

00:43:57.780 the questions in the chat so some of you guys who are in the chat we see you foxhound javier deacon

00:44:03.700 st john we appreciate you guys for being regulars and tuning in if you have a question for us or for

00:44:10.440 john waters go ahead and get those ready now we're going to go to our final commercial break and then

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00:48:42.500 Okay, we're back. John, we have a few questions queued up, but before I begin to ask them,

00:48:47.700 I have one of my own. I'm always interested in what people think in terms of future predictions,

00:48:54.720 and I understand that none of us have a crystal ball. We're not omniscient. God alone is,

00:48:59.720 But I am curious to hear your perspective of, we know the last five years, what do you foresee for the next five years?

00:49:10.020 Well, I believe that what is augured in these events of the past five years is now about to culminate in the meltdown of global economies, of currencies.

00:49:24.380 I call it the supernova of the currencies, the dollar, the euro and the pound sterling.

00:49:29.180 All those Western currencies are about to collapse because of the weight of debt.

00:49:33.300 And they're going to be replaced by a central bank digital currency.

00:49:36.880 This is the proposal which will be driven by surveillance and social credit systems akin to the Chinese model that's been experimented with over there in recent years.

00:49:49.060 and the idea is to really create a digital prison

00:49:53.660 whereby every person will be dependent on the state

00:49:56.620 for their income, their universal basic income

00:49:59.900 which will be a kind of a social welfare

00:50:02.500 but it will be, unlike other forms of money

00:50:06.440 it will be programmable

00:50:07.700 in other words, if you behave in ways that the state disapproves of

00:50:13.560 your money can be curtailed or cut off

00:50:15.620 and this will make

00:50:18.320 I think, this is calculated

00:50:20.520 to make a

00:50:22.220 population of 1.00

00:50:23.460 subversive serfs

00:50:25.860 now I don't think that

00:50:28.260 that is going to take, I don't

00:50:30.220 think it's going to work, but I do think

00:50:32.220 it's going to do massive damage

00:50:33.980 in the attempt

00:50:35.320 to our civilization and to its

00:50:38.120 values and to its fabric

00:50:40.220 so

00:50:41.640 I mean I think that's the good news

00:50:44.200 maybe in a certain sense because we will perhaps be able to work through that and we claim something

00:50:49.920 of our human reality and you know you mentioned earlier that that idea of the about AI and so on

00:50:58.360 you know that thing has been in plan there's a couple of chapters in my book which are about this

00:51:02.500 and about the fact that that project which should have been a democratic discussion what what the

00:51:09.520 future of the human race in relation to the machine, the future of human work in relation

00:51:14.300 to the machine. These things were never discussed at a public level by my profession of journalists

00:51:21.360 or indeed by artists until relatively recently in some novels that we have been seeing.

00:51:27.040 But that was a deliberately orchestrated situation in my view, that prosperity was generated in the

00:51:34.420 in order to distract people away from this vital moment in the evolution of the human race in

00:51:41.880 reality. And now we're at the cusp of this, the culmination of all of this. And we are not prepared

00:51:50.280 and we're not aware and we're not in any way conscious of the dangers that are now facing us.

00:51:58.240 Yeah, agreed. We have a couple of comments here and then I'll read a couple of questions. But

00:52:03.420 uh two of these are super chats that we greatly appreciate one is from appeal to heaven 7 he gave

00:52:09.800 us five dollars thank you appeal to heaven 7 we appreciate that he said and yet meanwhile our

00:52:15.300 leaders in the united states are worried about gondor's budget being balanced while orcs are at

00:52:21.980 the gates policy only goes so far this is a great conversation uh yeah we hear you and um man i'll

00:52:29.960 be honest that's a tough issue i find myself on both sides um i appreciate thomas massey greatly

00:52:36.040 and uh in the way that he stood up to our our greatest ally israel and not taking the apac

00:52:42.820 money and um and being you know running on you know i mean he's he's defending i should say

00:52:48.520 defending many of the policies that trump actually ran on um solvency and these kinds of things and

00:52:54.680 that's kind of what john is getting at when it comes to the deflation and complete destruction

00:52:59.440 of western currency and debt um at the same time i also understand um the other position and i'm

00:53:06.700 i find myself being torn between the two because um i i do agree that uh balancing the budget

00:53:12.480 is of utmost importance but uh in our case uh 50 million need to go back and um and you can

00:53:20.480 balance the budget all day long but if you don't uh actually stop the bleeding um the fact that

00:53:25.740 we are paying exorbitant amounts for illegal aliens and even people who have come legally

00:53:30.960 according to the letter of the law but have broken the spirit of the law our leaders betraying their 0.93

00:53:36.800 native people by ushering in a full-scale evasion in our nation to destroy the fabric of heritage 0.52

00:53:43.460 america if you can't send these people back and you can't stop them from coming then ballot 0.98

00:53:50.020 balancing the budget ultimately does nothing. And so $36 trillion is insane. And yet I know that 0.60

00:53:57.500 it's a bold remark that I'm about to make, but I'll make it nonetheless. I would be happy to go

00:54:03.700 ahead and boost that up to $40 trillion if the $40 trillion got us whatever provisions Trump needs

00:54:11.160 to get 50 million people out of our country, and then we can solve the budget. But to be honest,

00:54:20.020 sometimes I find myself blackpilling a little bit.

00:54:23.920 And today is one of those times.

00:54:25.640 I've got a feeling that our leaders will find a way

00:54:28.380 to get us to 40 trillion,

00:54:30.960 but also not deport the 50 million.

00:54:33.620 You're getting the 40 trillion,

00:54:34.740 but not the 40 million.

00:54:36.380 You're getting the 40 trillion in debt.

00:54:38.360 You are not getting the 50 million in deportation.

00:54:41.500 So great comment though, appeal to heaven seven.

00:54:44.040 I see where you're coming from.

00:54:45.660 And I think it's a good point.

00:54:47.000 This is a $200 super chat from Ben Huffsteadler.

00:54:50.660 Ben, thank you so much.

00:54:51.760 We had the pleasure of meeting you

00:54:52.860 at the New Christendom Conference.

00:54:54.240 Great guy.

00:54:55.200 We appreciate your generosity to this ministry.

00:54:57.540 It means the world.

00:54:58.360 He said, stay bold, guys.

00:54:59.800 Keep calling Christian princes to the front lines.

00:55:03.180 Amen. 0.87

00:55:03.800 Okay, Nathan, let's scroll to the top.

00:55:05.320 There's a question here from Deacon St. John,

00:55:08.120 and this is for you, John Waters.

00:55:10.040 He asks, it's kind of multi-part question, okay?

00:55:13.760 so he says how do we undo the degradation that's been done over the last five years do we repair

00:55:20.880 or do we become counter-cultural do we tear down actually and then rebuild something new

00:55:28.120 or do we let the dead bury their dead what are some strategies

00:55:32.200 well i mean there's different answers to that depending on who you think the we is in any

00:55:39.060 particular instance i mean i think there are different answers for the collective and there

00:55:43.280 different than for the individual I mean one will be tempted to urge people to pull back

00:55:48.140 and try to find a special channel and that you can stay in and look after your family and you

00:55:54.920 know become self-sufficient and all of that which a lot of a lot of people are doing and I think

00:55:59.360 that's an important thing I think certainly in the future we if we come out of this so we will need

00:56:04.440 to to really start looking physically at the scale of the governments that we've created and

00:56:10.520 the monsters of bureaucracy that have weighed down our society.

00:56:15.640 So all of that is going to be important.

00:56:17.360 So, you know, in a certain sense, a certain level of privatization of one's public role or function is going to become imperative.

00:56:30.000 But I think, you know, for the societies, it's extremely difficult because of this singular issue,

00:56:39.000 which is the corruption of the mainstream media and the problem with the mainstream media is not

00:56:44.040 just that it is corrupt it is that it's pretending to be honest it is acting out if what it is doing

00:56:50.920 is the telling of the truth as it always was it isn't it's the opposite so in that situation you

00:56:57.560 are fooling people and in a very profound way i mean it's like literally that people are being

00:57:02.520 left completely exposed to danger in there being left in harm's way because it's as i've said

00:57:09.080 before it's like a walled town you know and then the the the the the the elders are there and

00:57:15.480 looking after the people their people and their children and so on it's coming dusk dusk and they

00:57:20.380 look out at the the town and the walls around it are all high walls and their their turrets their

00:57:27.500 There are security points where the armed guards are up in their turrets and the elders look up and they say, oh, it's OK.

00:57:36.580 Everything is fine. The guards are at their posts.

00:57:40.140 We we we can sleep easy. Our children can sleep safely.

00:57:44.480 But then during the night, the barbarians rampage through the gates to break down the gates and they slaughter the people and so on.

00:57:52.860 And that's kind of what's happened, you know.

00:57:55.700 but you see it turns out then that the guards in the posts weren't there they were throw men

00:58:02.400 were rigged up for the night and the guards all went to the to the the public house to the bars

00:58:07.660 and got drunk and this is what's happened with our societies fundamentally that the guardians

00:58:14.840 of our safety the journalists the journalistic profession which is a sacred profession a vocation

00:58:21.260 which I belong for many years has surrendered its obligations it's abrogated and abdicated

00:58:27.780 and I think this has been the most awful thing that's happened in the whole thing because none

00:58:32.080 of the rest of it would have been possible had this not happened and so we have to restore that

00:58:36.700 as a priority we have to start looking in all our societies at ways in which we can build a real

00:58:42.840 alternative media not a nought media such as we now have because that's going off in all kinds

00:58:48.160 directions which are not particularly useful either you know we need to create a model of

00:58:53.260 of media that is what the old fortis state used to be you know a watchdog on democracy a watchdog

00:59:02.340 on the constitutions of our countries and so on and that's i think the the first imperative that

00:59:08.760 we need to address yeah here's another question from ash bruise podcast uh she said in your

00:59:16.680 Substack, John, you express regret at being an authority, she quotes, an authority on the

00:59:23.340 destruction of my country, end quote. How do you balance the weight of documenting social decline

00:59:30.100 with hope for renewal or change? Well, I don't know that you can necessarily

00:59:38.980 posit such an equation as being definitive or being an imperative, because you can only

00:59:46.640 posit the hope that is

00:59:48.580 under different categories

00:59:50.920 obviously you can

00:59:52.460 posit to the human being

00:59:54.060 the hope that you believe in as a Christian 0.89

00:59:56.720 you know

00:59:58.460 of

00:59:59.040 the resurrection and so on

01:00:02.380 but for society

01:00:03.800 it's not so

01:00:05.120 clear

01:00:07.100 what kind of hope

01:00:09.920 do you offer other than

01:00:11.600 platitudes in

01:00:14.100 circumstances like these

01:00:15.680 in the context of the social circumstances

01:00:18.320 and the political circumstances that we've been dealing with.

01:00:21.600 You know, that's a different question in a certain sense.

01:00:24.480 It's the same question in another sense.

01:00:26.860 But for this particular, for the purposes of addressing these issues,

01:00:31.760 we have to work in practical ways to reconstruct our damaged culture

01:00:38.040 because it is a culture which has been damaged.

01:00:41.100 Now we realise incrementally, you know, osmotically,

01:00:45.220 for for decades they've been working on it to undermine quantities like patriotism and and and

01:00:54.240 and loyalty and affection and and you know respect for for culture for vertical culture for the line

01:01:01.780 of culture going back to antiquity and that that has been replaced by a horizontal culture which

01:01:07.740 is very much to do with pop culture and movies and so on and so on and and there's many aspects

01:01:13.500 of this but fundamentally we can't address any of this without intelligent conversation in our

01:01:19.940 societies once again we once had these this quality in our societies i believe to a reasonably

01:01:24.960 high degree not perfect by any means but we did have and i remember from my childhood like watching

01:01:30.860 tv or listening to the radio there was intelligence that there isn't now i don't listen to the radio

01:01:36.560 i don't watch tv but sometimes i go into a a shop and and there's a radio or something on and this

01:01:42.680 public address and i have to listen to this gibberish for like three minutes before i run

01:01:47.540 out of the shop you know because it's it's impossible to bear this so you know yes i think

01:01:53.300 that you know the the christian message is obviously remains and and and we can survive

01:02:00.920 many many hardships through that and many people in history in ireland history first certainly

01:02:05.600 have done so but at the same time you know to to offer our people who are now struggling irish

01:02:12.380 people cannot for young people cannot afford to buy homes or build homes in their own country

01:02:18.140 they can't even afford to live in their own country they're being they're being dispatched 0.97

01:02:22.140 to australia and canada and and they're being replaced by cheap labor but with people by people

01:02:28.900 who have no loyalty to the land of ireland they don't even know what it is they know nothing of

01:02:33.740 its history and they don't care and the politicians who put them there don't care either because they

01:02:38.900 carrying out instructions from overloads so you know i in different veins you could talk about

01:02:44.020 these the question of hope in different ways but at the moment i have to say that in the political

01:02:49.460 immediacy of the situation there is minimal hope of a change without a radical alteration

01:02:59.140 in the circumstances and that needs to start with public conversation yeah agreed um nathan go back

01:03:07.380 back over to the comments. There was one from Javier. Yeah, right there. No, actually a little

01:03:12.160 bit higher. Ah, there it is. I just thought this was insightful. Javier Oliva, he says,

01:03:20.680 what is not reported is as important as what is reported or misreported. I'll say that again.

01:03:29.560 What is not reported is as important and arguably even more important than what is reported or

01:03:36.760 is misreported and so it's not just that journalists it's a great point javier it's not

01:03:42.380 just that journalists are twisting the truth and lying and corruption in terms of saying things

01:03:48.360 that are false but there are many true things and true stories that they um you can tell go to great

01:03:55.000 lengths to avoid entirely and john would you agree with that well i 100 agree with it because you

01:04:03.620 You know, a lie can take many forms.

01:04:06.000 You know, a lie can be a lie of omission.

01:04:08.660 It can be a lie of innuendo, you know.

01:04:12.340 You know, a lie is not a straightforward, you know,

01:04:15.560 technical matter that can be where did the person, you know,

01:04:20.140 state, make an issue, a precise statement of untruth.

01:04:27.020 It can be, you know, a grudge could be a lie, you know.

01:04:31.480 If you ask me for a loan of money and my jacket pocket is full of cash, but I pull out the two trouser pockets and pretend and show you that they're empty and shrug, that looks like I'm telling you, oh, I'm sorry, I don't have any money.

01:04:54.740 But in fact, I have lots of money, but I haven't said so.

01:04:56.840 You know, I haven't I haven't denied the fact that I have money, but so, you know, journalism is it cannot escape these things, you know, like any more than anybody else can, you know.

01:05:07.500 But what they've done with journalism is much more sophisticated, even than that.

01:05:13.380 It's that they've managed to actually distort reality in ways that were inconceivable before.

01:05:20.900 By the way that they, yes, omit things, or also the way they include things, but with a low priority.

01:05:28.860 In other words, because one of the things I've realised in the course of all this is that I didn't really understand

01:05:34.480 how the public have apprehended information how they absorb information coming through media

01:05:40.820 you would think that oh it's just a matter of well i read it in the paper or i heard it on the

01:05:46.540 the the news but in actual fact repetition is critical uh reiteration emphasis those things

01:05:55.580 are in giving perspective to stories and to importance and to to detail and subtlety and

01:06:02.120 if you reduce that you can actually give the people with the impression that something that

01:06:07.640 did happen and was significant was less significant than it was or that it didn't really matter at all

01:06:13.500 i mean and that's the we've had that numerous times i'll give you a minor example in ireland

01:06:19.160 back in 2020 we had a figure for deaths of covid from covid to that point completely false figure

01:06:24.760 of course 1760 it was and then a health investigation committee looked into this and

01:06:30.580 they found that it was actually too high and they said the correct figure was i think something

01:06:34.900 1042 and that figure was published you know in a certain degree in different newspapers and

01:06:41.560 on the radio and tv you know in way down the bulletin maybe or whatever it was a sensational

01:06:48.400 thing in a certain sense but it wasn't treated sensationally but then two days later the same

01:06:55.060 media went back to using the 1760 figure and building from there up again as if the thing

01:07:01.520 had never happened at all and nobody noticed if you said it to anybody say oh yeah i think i might

01:07:05.980 have i did hear something i can't remember but you know uh but no i think the new the figure is now

01:07:10.880 i saw the figure today and it's very clear you know so there's doing there are all these tricks

01:07:15.840 which we didn't even know were possible and this is lying you see ultimately this is all lying it's

01:07:22.360 not like that it's just tricks it's not just that they're kind of massaging the facts massaging the

01:07:29.360 facts is lying being economical with the truth is lying you know all of these things and and

01:07:34.740 journalists have forgotten these things they think that you know that they can you know get away on

01:07:39.080 a technicality when you come to telling the truth or not well you can't yeah well said well um this

01:07:47.960 has been a fascinating conversation i've appreciated it greatly again the title of the

01:07:52.040 book is the abolition of reality the abolition of reality written by john waters uh published by

01:07:58.680 western front books uh john can you tell people uh quickly where they can purchase the book and

01:08:04.200 then also how they can follow you online well you can uh get the book from the publisher from

01:08:10.920 Western Front Books

01:08:12.520 their website

01:08:13.880 will sell it

01:08:16.080 if you're in the United States

01:08:17.220 it should be relatively set forward

01:08:18.920 the delivery won't be very high

01:08:21.940 if you're outside the United States

01:08:24.500 probably Amazon is the best

01:08:26.460 I don't necessarily

01:08:27.520 I'm not a fan of Amazon

01:08:29.140 but it needs must

01:08:30.660 and I'm in the situation

01:08:32.240 where being a dissident

01:08:33.480 my books are essentially banned in Ireland

01:08:35.760 they don't get into the bookshops

01:08:38.260 they don't get distributed

01:08:39.240 and they don't get promotion

01:08:41.380 on the mainstream media, not surprisingly

01:08:43.240 in view of all the things I've been saying

01:08:45.220 so, but

01:08:47.000 Amazon, yes, Amazon.co.uk

01:08:50.040 for people in Europe

01:08:51.520 or in Ireland, Ireland

01:08:53.040 Amazon.ie

01:08:54.920 the book is reselling

01:08:57.480 at a very reasonable rate

01:08:59.700 and it's got, they're offering

01:09:01.480 free delivery at the moment, so that's a

01:09:03.540 pretty good deal I think for them

01:09:04.860 Great

01:09:06.440 as for me I'm on Substack

01:09:08.620 johnwaters.substack.com

01:09:10.900 or johnwaters.chained

01:09:12.380 might get it for you on a good day

01:09:14.160 I'm supposedly on Twitter but I've

01:09:16.560 more or less given that up for a dead

01:09:18.500 loss because they're shadow

01:09:20.380 banning me there too and it's a waste of

01:09:22.360 effort you know because you just don't get

01:09:24.420 anything out there you know

01:09:25.760 but it's Substack really

01:09:27.520 and that's about it

01:09:30.300 really and my books

01:09:31.980 that's my thing

01:09:33.540 Great, well thank you for coming on the show

01:09:36.420 and i hope that the listeners have benefited from this conversation and that your patron

01:09:40.800 uh john and his book again that's western fronts uh western front books uh if you're in the u.s

01:09:47.660 and then amazon if you're outside of the u.s and the best way to follow john and his writing sounds

01:09:51.740 like a sub stack john thanks again for coming on the show and uh we appreciate it thank you very

01:09:57.320 much it was a great pleasure i'm very much obliged to you all all right well god bless you god bless

01:10:02.600 all the listeners. Remember, we're taking Friday off for the 4th of July to celebrate America's

01:10:07.060 independence. And Lord willing, we will see everyone again this coming Monday,

01:10:11.900 which I believe is July 7th at 3 p.m. Central Time.

The NXR Podcast - July 02, 2025

THE LIVESTREAM - The Abolition of Reality - Interview with the Author John Waters

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