John Waters, author of The Abolition of Reality, joins Wesley and Wenndy to discuss his new book, The Abolishment of Reality. John Waters shares his story of how he became a writer, why he wrote this book, and what the book's about.
00:05:36.820and very very deeply thought out and i decided that i needed to find out i had very limited
00:05:45.780knowledge of lots of the different things that were happening for example propaganda i had a
00:05:49.860skeletal knowledge of propaganda but i didn't really think that it was sufficient to understand
00:05:56.060what was happening so i started to investigate these things and read about these things and then
00:06:01.260to write out of that uh uh reading and reflection on what was happening and uh i put together i
00:06:08.280wrote like hundreds of thousands of words in the course of the next four years and in there about
00:06:15.000a year ago uh joseph dingdinger approached me and said that he'd been reading my uh substack
00:06:23.560and he would love to publish my a book of my work in this area and so that's how i then began to
00:06:30.640put together this this collection which is really directed at it's directed at the the things that
00:06:38.260were happening that the skeletal story of what the meaning of this is and the methodologies that
00:06:44.980were used and the purpose of it and where it what what kind of strange things are going on in the
00:06:54.100in the in the in the undertones of this whole experience and uh and really with the view to
00:07:01.400producing a book literally a book because i don't really trust the online thing to stay i
00:07:06.680even though everybody says oh no if it's online it's it's there forever i don't believe that i
00:07:11.620don't think it's true at all they can take it away at any moment whoever they are and so i decided i
00:07:19.200wanted to write a book and that I wanted it to be for the future you know that that in the event
00:07:26.100that as seemed to be likely that our history would be terminated and then started from scratch
00:07:33.340in in an entirely new vein and from an entirely different perspective I wanted a book that would
00:07:40.040actually be rooted in the factual history that I had learned and that I had watched in my life
00:07:46.280And I was inspired to some extent by rereading 1984, George Orwell's novel about his totalitarian dystopia set in that year, 1984, which I remember very well, that actual year.
00:08:04.440And I read the book before that year, you know, and I decided it would be good to read the book afterwards, you know, that I should read it again after 1984 had passed and see what effect that had on me.
00:08:17.420And so I but when I was reading it, I came across this section where the hero of the book, if you like, the protagonist, Winston Smith, is starting a diary and he he's sitting in an alcove, which he which he believes mistakenly, as it turns out, is hidden from the telescreen on the wall.
00:08:41.740and so he's writing this beautiful new notebook he's got and he's saying to himself well who am
00:08:46.660i writing for and he decides um for the future for the unborn and i decided well that's what i
00:08:53.540will do i'll write a book for the unborn uh and and to to and and produce a book for the unborn
00:09:01.360now much of the material in the book is is more or less the same as it was in the original
00:09:07.280a substact form uh there are a couple there are some chapters which are rewritten substantially
00:09:11.820uh and uh you know amounting to quite a proportion of the book it's a very big book it's something
00:09:19.640like a quarter of a million words uh and i had that's really really extremely economical i had
00:09:25.660vastly more material if i wanted to to to to include it but you know there's a limit to what
00:09:31.140a book can hold uh physically as well as in other senses uh both books fall apart if there's too
00:09:37.900much in them uh so uh that's essentially why i i i wrote it and i i was moved to write it because
00:09:44.980um i was just stunned that this was happening you know i i remember as i said 1984 about the year
00:09:53.3401984 and i remember there being a buzz in around the whole place at that time about orwell
00:10:00.360and his vision of this dystopia and you know it was kind of an exciting thing in a way you know
00:10:07.460it was kind of like this story this bizarre story of something that couldn't possibly happen could
00:10:12.060it in our countries in our nations in our civilization and yet here we were now right
00:10:18.560there and everybody had been talking about you know 1984 and sort of you know imagining well
00:10:24.780isn't it wonderful that we're in the free west and these things can't happen here and so on
00:10:28.760and here they were happening and so that's fundamentally and then to go into a system
00:10:34.480that i thought was constructed with justice and truth and and beauty and and and all of these
00:10:40.940things in mind that these were the uppermost values and find that all of the values that i
00:10:45.620thought i i take it for granted really they were now in the in the in the in the the garbage can
00:10:53.540as you would say uh waiting for disposal and uh that that really staggered me to be honest and
00:11:00.020and i decided you know that i should uh put a record out there that people in the future can
00:11:07.580pick up and at least begin to piece together you know maybe well first of all uh what happened in
00:11:14.540the world uh what what what does this book say about what the world was like before and and and
00:11:22.440what is this book saying about what might be done to reverse this and so i i try to answer those
00:11:28.900questions in the course of the book you know so that's basically yeah no i appreciate that so it
00:11:34.180sounds like right there at the end you said um you know what could be done to reverse that and so it
00:11:38.760sounds like uh in your book you don't just uh discuss the the diagnosis and and how did we get
00:11:45.440here and how severe um this this psyop and propaganda really was but um how to reverse it
00:11:53.520it sounds like you discussed some of the solutions for the listener or at least uh i should say for
00:11:58.020the viewer i'm holding the book right now i'll hold it up for the camera so that you can see it
00:12:02.060clearly uh this is um a copy of the book and john was not lying uh when he said uh the book is quite
00:12:09.740thick. You could purchase it as a doorstopper, or you could read it. We would highly suggest
00:12:17.120the latter. But this is not a small book. The words, there are many words, lots of words on
00:12:24.260each page. So I think you said a quarter million words, which is substantial. But going back to my
00:12:30.460question real quick, so it sounds like, correct me if I'm wrong, that you don't just give the
00:12:34.800diagnoses and what happened with this COVID project, this propaganda, and what led up to it,
00:12:40.140but how we might, by the grace of God, be able to reverse it, some solutions. Is that correct?
00:12:48.020Yeah, that's treaded into it. I mean, there are various things. I mean, one of the strongest,
00:12:53.320I think, sections in that regard, there's a Belgian psychologist called Matthias Desmet,
00:13:00.320who became very high profile during this whole episode
00:13:04.700talking about totalitarianism and mass formation
00:13:09.640and mass entranment, these concepts, you know.
00:13:25.620And he was very, very clear that the most important thing in the face of such circumstances is for people not to give up, not to give in and not to give up, that you must continue and never disregard as being too little anything you can do by way of standing up to this tyranny.
00:13:51.360Because this, at least he says, will mitigate the cruelty somewhat. It may not prevent, it may not stop, it may not thwart the project, but it will actually mitigate the cruelty. And that's very important.
00:14:06.440Another thing that I dealt with, which is quite related to that, in fact, and I don't think that Matthias, Matthias wasn't aware of this particular person when I was talking to him at first, but he became aware of him then.
00:14:19.060That is Václav Havel, the former, the late now, president of Czechoslovakia and the Czech Republic between 1990 and I think 2004.
00:14:31.400And he wrote an extraordinary essay many years before called The Power of, I think about 1976, The Power of the Powerless.
00:14:40.600And it's about, you know, what people in their ordinary lives can do, because, you know, there are only sort of certain set pieces that you can describe by way of removing a rogue regime.
00:14:54.320You can, by violent insurrection, by voting, perhaps, it's a long shot, and by Velvet Revolution, which is the way that Václav Havel eventually led his country out of communism, whereby the people of Prague were brought onto the street, literally a million of them, and they stayed there for 12 days until the communist government ran away.
00:15:21.100But Havel tells this story in this essay about a greengrocer in Prague who has a sign in his window and among the vegetables.
00:15:31.680And the sign says, is that the height of the communist era, it says, workers of the world unite.
00:15:39.180And Havel says that this greengrocer does not believe the sentiment, but he has this sign there in order for a quiet life, essentially.
00:15:46.840And Havel says that this is the problem, that if people, you know, as it were, refuse to refuse, then they support, they actually endorse and buttress the tyranny.
00:16:01.400And that the important thing is that even in the smallest ways to simply refuse to cooperate, to refuse to do the things that you're being asked, the absurd things or to say the absurd beliefs that you're told, you know, that men can become women, for example, just off the top of my head, you know, that if you refuse to do these things, it is no little thing.
00:16:25.620It is no small thing to do that every day. And that might be in the context of the so-called pandemic, to refuse to wear a face covering, which you believe to be absurd, or whatever that might be. And that ultimately, then, that that is what really leads to the disintegration of tyranny, when you have a sufficient, a critical mass of people who are simply refusing to cooperate.
00:16:51.680i completely agree john you're right i i told you know people as we were going through you know the
00:16:57.960pandemic i i said uh it's not that the um that the medical science changed what really happened
00:17:03.440is that the political science changed and it changed precisely uh where in our case in our
00:17:08.740country when the american people uh no longer had the will to comply the moment that america said
00:17:14.940we're done with this oh turns out uh you don't have to wear a mask anymore it turns out you can
00:17:19.620you know you can go outside you could they immediately lessened all the different restraints
00:17:24.500and restrictions the moment that people uh said we're we're not having it and so you're right
00:17:29.740all these little things um we sometimes think that well there's nothing i can do i'm just a
00:17:34.180number i'm one of millions um but all these small things actually add up um refusing to wear you
00:17:40.160know a piece of cloth over your face all these different things make a great deal of difference
00:17:44.740So Wesley Todd actually has some questions that he's going to ask you, but before we get to some of his questions and give you a chance to respond, I just want to remind those who are watching us live right now, go ahead and put your questions in the chat and make it clear, distinguish it from just a comment question, you know, and then go ahead and write whatever questions you have for John.
00:18:04.900We're going to do our best to get to as many questions as possible in our third segment.
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00:22:00.380So welcome back. Once again, we have John Waters with us. John is the author of
00:22:05.080the abolition of reality and john i want to connect the things that you're saying to the
00:22:10.020title of your book you mentioned 1984 which it's funny i actually remember reading it for the first
00:22:14.900time in 2020 but a real life example of 1984 and something orwell's modeling this is also his
00:22:20.580earlier book animal farm is communist russia and i think of alexander solzhenitsyn and you use that
00:22:26.560title the abolition of reality and it's a great title there's also really a truth to it because
00:22:31.520much of what communist Russia did and said was we want you to go ahead and disbelieve
00:22:37.160what you've seen the party has given its orders the party has rendered its verdict on this
00:22:42.360there's only the current this is in 1984 as well you think of Stalin when he would fall out of
00:22:47.380favor with someone they would get removed from the picture like no of course this is all the
00:22:51.860picture ever included just me and these three people me and these two people it's just me alone
00:22:56.660in this picture that's all it's ever been and so we've actually seen the historical precedent that
00:23:00.820the party that the the elite they would come in and say you need to disbelieve this is from 1984
00:23:07.140the party's requirement was to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears and that was its final most
00:23:12.140essential command but it happened again oh covid can get you if you're standing up sit down in a
00:23:18.180restaurant you're fine take a vaccine now this will protect me right i won't get sick oh no you'll
00:23:24.080still get sick with it and you'll still die could you connect the pieces with they literally told
00:23:29.040you reality is not what you think it is it's not the evidence you have in front of you uh it's what
00:23:34.220we decided to make it yeah that's right that's right and then the title has multiple kind of
00:23:41.600resonances you know in that in the sense that one of the things they did was you know create a
00:23:46.940pseudo reality uh which deceived people into believing that you know the world was now utterly
00:23:52.560different and the moral systems of the world were different and uh you know that we had to you know
00:23:58.160you individual freedoms were somehow forfeit to the crowd to the mob to the to the collective
00:24:06.280but there's another dimension as well and it's very much in relation to what you said there about
00:24:11.520the the final chapter which is one of the pieces the pieces in the book which is is new it didn't
00:24:17.900originally it hasn't appeared before the book and it's called satanic playground and what it's
00:24:24.140about really is is the the weaponization of the play instinct in humans which is possibly one of
00:24:31.680the most you know fundamental uh instincts of humanity and also actually of animals many
00:24:38.360categories of animal play and demonstrably play and they it seems to me and i've gone through this
00:24:46.340in great detail because when you actually look at back at those uh satanic dancing nurses you
00:24:52.800ask yourself well what was that about you know this dark sort of dance of not just dancing but
00:24:57.340you know burlesquing the very idea of illness you know making fun of the idea of dead bodies and so
00:25:05.300on coffins being danced around with you know that kind of thing and and i went into this in some
00:25:12.220detail but the idea of the the play and the game if you think about you know when you when you were
00:25:18.940child and at christmas time you would get a new game uh which are maybe your siblings or your
00:25:24.840friends and everybody then would eventually uh they would read through the the the small little
00:25:30.880booklet that was in the box and you would read them and try to figure out what these rules were
00:25:34.680saying and then everybody would sit around for a sort of a test game and work out the rules between
00:25:40.240them and uh you know the word the rules in the book in the the book that didn't have to relate
00:25:45.320to the real world as it were they were internal to the game and there was no point in in arguing
00:25:50.640or pleading the facts of the real world in the in the game and and and when you think about it you
00:25:57.740know the thing about you're talking about the the the face covering like you know a game for example
00:26:02.020where you you walk into a room and you can you are permitted to you must have your face covered
00:26:08.120when you're walking to the room uh say a bar and and you can you must hold you must wear the mat
00:26:15.700the face covering as you walk across the floor but as soon as you see a chair and sit on it you
00:26:22.280can take the face covering off and then you can sit there for as long as you like and no face
00:26:27.860covering and that's fine you can breathe as heavily as you like and that's fine there's no
00:26:31.980danger then to anybody from this disease you are suffering you might be suffering from but if you
00:26:37.780stand up again you must put the face covering on and if you walk to the the the bathroom or
00:26:43.240to the bar you must wear the the face covering now now if you go to the to the to the bar and
00:26:50.680you want to order some food well you can order a nine men a nine euro in our case possibly a nine
00:26:56.960dollar meal i don't know about the american situation but we in europe were had to wear
00:27:01.580to order meals no less than nine euros not 8.99 so you eat you have a nine euro meal and in order
00:27:10.980to eat that you are you you you you can take off the face covering and then you can eat and and
00:27:17.580you can then put you then you must put it back as long as you are standing up but if you can go back
00:27:23.660to your seat and sit down you can take it off again okay now this is the game right and these
00:27:28.000are the rules and and nobody questions those rules why because they're the rules it's not like they
00:27:32.820have to make sense in the real world and that's one of the fiendish tricks they played on people
00:27:37.580they sucked people into a logic that was completely absurd completely surreal and convinced them of
00:27:44.480the necessity for it by making the thing feel like a game you understand it's really quite fiendish
00:27:51.160when you think about it and so i go into that idea very substantially i'd written this originally
00:27:56.200back in 2021 it was one of the earliest uh things i wrote but when i went through the the article
00:28:02.060the chapters and i i wasn't happy with that particular one i didn't feel that i i captured
00:28:07.800the idea adequately so i didn't include it at first but then when i got to the coming to the
00:28:12.600end of putting the book together i realized that it wasn't really the ending was just it was sort
00:28:19.940falling off a cliff you know and i wanted to to to to uh do something more um resonant you know to
00:28:27.380to leave people with some feeling of you know the the absurdity of this and so on so i rewrote it
00:28:34.980completely and it expanded enormously in that process uh so i i'm i'm very happy with that
00:28:40.420chapter it's a very long chapter but i think it's probably i don't know that anybody else has
00:28:45.140actually really gone into that idea i have seen reference to the idea in general terms but i don't
00:28:51.200think anybody else has gone into it in depth interesting i want to go to a shorter chapter
00:28:56.800from your book i haven't read all of it but there's a fascinating short chapter on the new
00:29:01.260aristocracy i think it's from around 2022 and you call out and this is huge and this is the world
00:29:06.900that we're still living in right now we're living downstream of a massive amount of wealth
00:29:11.880consolidation within the top tiers and you point out that leftist commentators even those that were
00:29:17.900willing enough to be honest and to be forthright and to uh to just deal with reality as it was
00:29:23.360that they anticipated that there was many ways an accumulation of wealth this is your jeff bezos this
00:29:28.080is your mark zuckerberg this is this is big tech companies and covet was a massive boon to them
00:29:34.360when you were sitting at home shopping your mom and pop store that you started and you ran for 30
00:29:38.720years you had to be closed but amazon was pumping out i mean literally orders uh thousands of
00:29:45.140dollars on the second and so we saw this massive accumulation of wealth and it's interesting
00:29:50.120because i think you wrote this in 2022 and right at the end of 2022 a tool came out that has changed
00:29:55.440the world since and that was chat gpt and in the years following that we've seen the explosion of
00:30:00.120ai and ai i mean just today microsoft announced the layoff of 9 000 jobs this comes on the heels
00:30:07.260of cuts at AT&T, cuts at Verizon, cuts at Business Insider, all because they're able to do more
00:30:12.980faster, more efficiently through AI. And it seems to be really continuing this trend. So
00:30:18.140I know that chapter is from a little bit earlier, but I think I see, and you could tell me if you
00:30:22.240agree, the same thing that COVID started with the elite and the collection and accumulation of wealth
00:30:27.520at the top. You talk about basically a 1% class of trillionaires and then nothing. The rest of
00:30:33.780it's just simply flat you have a mountain and then there's no foothills no smaller mountains
00:30:38.140it's just level at the base could you expand on that well this was one of the most shocking
00:30:44.140aspects of the whole thing for me because again i i had grown up in in ireland and which would
00:30:49.600have you know a country that it was kind of having been uh somewhat backward in in the past was
00:30:57.440speeding up and and and and it was developing all kinds of new fangled ideas and becoming a
00:31:03.380globalist economy and so on and also a transnational economy really it wasn't an irish economy but
00:31:09.780the whole the whole value system that we were breathing in was to do with you know certain
00:31:16.860values which were kind of somewhat leftish increasingly but at the core of those ideas up
00:31:22.880to 2020 was the idea of was an idea of suspicion of those who were grasping and in terms of their
00:31:31.120their relationship to uh their function in the economy or in in life in general i mean the idea
00:31:37.960of acquisition uh acquisitiveness was a kind of frowned upon in that culture uh you know in the
00:31:45.040sense that people who were you know that there was always a sense that you had to as a as a
00:31:50.320businessman you know honor the society which had enabled you to become wealthy and so on
00:31:57.740And suddenly, such values seem to just disappear, to evaporate all overnight. And people who had been previously vocally left wing suddenly seem to be, if you listen to them carefully, saying things or adopting positions that supported the most powerful and the richest forces on the planet in becoming even richer and more powerful.
00:32:22.180and this seemed to me to be extraordinary to me i i because i i was somebody who started off as
00:32:29.140a kind of a soft leftist you know uh 30 40 years ago and and kind of gradually through life
00:32:35.840experience began to see that this was a very kind of shallow and limited worldview and i change in
00:32:42.200various ways i don't know what i would call myself i don't like terms actually like left and right
00:32:46.580that much but they're sort of a useful shorthand to make points around these kind of questions
00:32:51.420But I kind of, you know, whereas I moved, let's say, to the right, I wasn't really, you know, I didn't really oppose liberal ideas in the classical sense.
00:33:09.120You know, I believed in liberty. I believe in freedom. I believe in the right to speak and to express opinions that were controversial or whatever, you know.
00:33:22.740So suddenly it seemed that these values were, I mean, people were saying that, you know, liberty is a far right obsession.
00:33:29.240like people were actually said things like this you know suddenly in in one week in in in may of
00:33:37.0002020 out of nowhere and i kind of thought how did did everybody get some long very long memo
00:33:44.520that i i missed right you know everybody seemed to be really adapted to what was happening in a way
00:33:52.960that i couldn't understand now i don't even understand i don't think that the explanation
00:33:57.540that they were offering which was that there is a deadly pandemic which I knew there wasn't anyway
00:34:01.840but even if there was I always have said I insist they had no right to do what they did
00:34:07.200these people these politicians in each individual country had no whatsoever no authority to do the
00:34:13.300things they did or impose the restrictions they did and yet only a tiny minority of people
00:34:20.200taught that and said that at the time now more people are beginning to say it now and maybe
00:34:26.540seeking to rewrite history their own history a little bit but we know i remember you know at that
00:34:31.660time almost nobody was speaking out nobody was and and if you did you were attacked and i was
00:34:36.620attacked all the time i mean for two and a half years i couldn't i couldn't walk down the street
00:34:40.700without being attacked yeah yeah i was gonna say you you mentioned too briefly i think one of the
00:34:49.820big transitions and obviously ireland is much smaller than the united states but even the
00:34:54.140economy now has been much more transitioned to very western focus as far as its imports and
00:34:59.480exports obviously immigration as far as i can trust headlines not being there what's undergone
00:35:05.160too is not just a change in well for a couple years we had policies on social distancing and
00:35:10.040policies on restaurants but the entire economic fabric of a people that for hundreds of years
00:35:16.060have occupied this place has pretty much overnight been changed correct would that be an accurate way
00:35:20.360to describe it definitely yeah i mean everything about our code it's clear that that there has
00:35:26.220been a determined attempt to reinvent the entire west and to to impose on it all kinds of things
00:35:34.420that really are almost are incredible really not almost we are incredible i mean that this idea of
00:35:41.520the the mass migration isn't it isn't even mass migration it's mass plantation it's it's it's it's
00:36:29.280The numbers are increasing of outsiders coming in
00:36:33.580is increasing and is swelling at such a rate0.99
00:36:36.680and nobody can trust the statistics that are being given
00:36:41.640because to look at any streetscape, you wouldn't even think.
00:36:45.340you know they tell us it's 20 25 percent of now non-national well i'm sorry if you look at any
00:36:50.980urban streetscape you're thinking it's something like 70 percent yeah what blows my mind and it
00:36:58.460makes me angry and others have pointed this out too the people were never asked well one of one
00:37:04.760of at least if you could try to to sum up some of the benefits or at least the good things we have
00:37:09.200going for us since world war ii is that typically in the mess in the west most nations would be
00:37:13.900democratic that would refer to theoretically the people themselves and their rule their will
00:37:19.400is what's being exercised that when we in the united states we elect representatives and they
00:37:23.880represent our will but whether it be here in the united states whether it be the uk or whether it
00:37:28.140be ireland we were never asked and as we ask for it to stop as anyone that basically runs on an
00:37:35.520anti-immigration party typically enjoys decent success then they get in office they refuse to
00:37:40.760carry it out or if we're here in the united states even our own representatives our own senators
00:37:46.280refusing to vote to strip medicaid that is health benefits from those are here those who are here
00:37:52.620legally we were never asked we're telling them we don't want it to continue and they say it sounds
00:37:58.120like you want more which is i mean can you think of something more to tell tarian and coercive
00:38:05.200we will take in the case of ireland this historic christian english or not english but a european0.82
00:38:11.520nation and we will dispossess it and we will make it a land of foreigners we don't want that it's0.66
00:38:16.760having all these downstream effects we don't care that's right it's the contempt of this is the most0.77
00:38:23.380i suppose scarifying aspect of all of this that the demeanor and the the visage of the political
00:38:30.320class has changed utterly from what it was six or seven years ago that they now look at their
00:38:36.840own people their indigenous peoples in all countries i see pretty much maybe not in the
00:38:41.360united states certainly not president trump it doesn't do that but most countries most european
00:38:47.420countries certainly you know france germany britain ireland the the leaders of the the so-called
00:38:55.760leaders of the political establishment they look upon those who vote for them as you know animals
00:39:02.560almost they have just total discontent for them total disregard for their opinions they tell them0.75
00:39:08.420ridiculous lies like they tell them that for example that they have an international obligation
00:39:13.240to take in outsiders well i say nobody and then there's no discussion uh those of us who have0.95
00:39:19.340something to ask or a question to any question to pose to these people are never permitted near
00:39:27.400them like because the obvious question is well if you have an international obligation how come
00:39:33.700ireland has taken in pro rata double what its nearest competitor as it were in this context
00:39:43.040has brought in in the last 25 years in other words we have twice as many as the second
00:39:50.800country in in that league which is spain and yet we're told that this is an international
00:39:58.800obligation well how come this international obligation is not shared by other countries
00:40:03.060in europe and they don't have you they don't have to answer such questions because nobody in the
00:40:07.760public square asked them is permitted to ask them and so the public are there thinking well i i don't
00:40:16.800like this but i better keep my mouth shut because i'm going to sound like a racist and that's the
00:40:22.020way it's done and and but you see the other point is really that many people just don't get that
00:40:29.880this is terminal they can't imagine such a thing you know you don't you don't need to be much of a
00:40:36.300mathematician to see when you look at the the inflows when you look at the proportions like
00:40:41.320i mean i'll just give you off the top of my head you know a figure i saw recently by the central
00:40:45.800statistics office which said that people the numbers of people who the increase in the irish
00:40:50.620population between 2019 and last year breaks down as follows
00:40:55.90094 percent is alien oh and six percent is indigenous the increase now how long do you
00:41:12.300think a country like ours can survive with those kind of of metrics wow and even if you took
00:41:21.440relatively compatible people say you took uh england to germany so 94 like you said over the
00:41:27.760last five years of germany's growth say it was just from england that alone would cause massive
00:41:33.700problems but from the third world of integration of language of jobs and to root it in the title
00:41:40.280of your book when asked this is going terribly look at what's happening to our children especially
00:41:45.920in england and the politicians literally say why would you believe your lying eyes over the soothing
00:41:53.120kind anti-racist words and rhetoric that i'm telling you well you know and then there's the
00:41:59.120islamic question because i mean this is this is something that is not really discussed either
00:42:04.160because you know look at lebanon like which in fact you know 80 years ago was a completely white
00:42:10.320population now it yeah and when it began to expand and migrants started to come in particularly
00:42:16.540muslims the the indigenous population said oh we're a tolerant people we're going to
00:42:21.280integrate with our newcomers and we're going to share power and we're so you know if we okay we
00:42:28.220have a a white president but we're going to have a muslim prime minister yes certainly and that was
00:42:34.980all very well until the other side became the majority and then it all changed and that's what
00:42:40.560happens that's what happens the the idea people just reflue you see one of the things they do is
00:42:45.920they demonize certain concepts so that you um by using certain words you set off all kinds of
00:42:53.440alarms like if you say replacement which i do or if you say invasion which i do or if you say
00:42:59.760plantation which i do and i i take the view that you know if you want to know what are the most
00:43:04.760important words to use then look at the words they're telling you you can't use because they're
00:43:09.560the ones they want to suppress so that people don't get to hear them but this is really you
00:43:15.080know i say to people this is this is how it is you know that the way things are going your children
00:43:20.960will not have a homeland in which to lay their heads and call their own
00:43:25.840the people coming here the people coming here from other countries whatever the conditions1.00
00:43:35.540in those countries they have homelands to return to right we won't have any place to go1.00
00:43:41.460yeah yeah that's what's so tragic about all of it um yeah those of european descent and western0.99
00:43:49.860countries they don't have another home to go to you're exactly right uh we're going to go to our1.00
00:43:54.160last commercial break now of the day and when we come back we're going to try to deal with some of
00:43:57.780the questions in the chat so some of you guys who are in the chat we see you foxhound javier deacon
00:44:03.700st john we appreciate you guys for being regulars and tuning in if you have a question for us or for
00:44:10.440john waters go ahead and get those ready now we're going to go to our final commercial break and then
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00:48:42.500Okay, we're back. John, we have a few questions queued up, but before I begin to ask them,
00:48:47.700I have one of my own. I'm always interested in what people think in terms of future predictions,
00:48:54.720and I understand that none of us have a crystal ball. We're not omniscient. God alone is,
00:48:59.720But I am curious to hear your perspective of, we know the last five years, what do you foresee for the next five years?
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00:50:02.500but it will be, unlike other forms of money
01:04:06.000You know, a lie can be a lie of omission.
01:04:08.660It can be a lie of innuendo, you know.
01:04:12.340You know, a lie is not a straightforward, you know,
01:04:15.560technical matter that can be where did the person, you know,
01:04:20.140state, make an issue, a precise statement of untruth.
01:04:27.020It can be, you know, a grudge could be a lie, you know.
01:04:31.480If you ask me for a loan of money and my jacket pocket is full of cash, but I pull out the two trouser pockets and pretend and show you that they're empty and shrug, that looks like I'm telling you, oh, I'm sorry, I don't have any money.
01:04:54.740But in fact, I have lots of money, but I haven't said so.
01:04:56.840You know, I haven't I haven't denied the fact that I have money, but so, you know, journalism is it cannot escape these things, you know, like any more than anybody else can, you know.
01:05:07.500But what they've done with journalism is much more sophisticated, even than that.
01:05:13.380It's that they've managed to actually distort reality in ways that were inconceivable before.
01:05:20.900By the way that they, yes, omit things, or also the way they include things, but with a low priority.
01:05:28.860In other words, because one of the things I've realised in the course of all this is that I didn't really understand
01:05:34.480how the public have apprehended information how they absorb information coming through media
01:05:40.820you would think that oh it's just a matter of well i read it in the paper or i heard it on the
01:05:46.540the the news but in actual fact repetition is critical uh reiteration emphasis those things
01:05:55.580are in giving perspective to stories and to importance and to to detail and subtlety and
01:06:02.120if you reduce that you can actually give the people with the impression that something that
01:06:07.640did happen and was significant was less significant than it was or that it didn't really matter at all
01:06:13.500i mean and that's the we've had that numerous times i'll give you a minor example in ireland
01:06:19.160back in 2020 we had a figure for deaths of covid from covid to that point completely false figure
01:06:24.760of course 1760 it was and then a health investigation committee looked into this and
01:06:30.580they found that it was actually too high and they said the correct figure was i think something
01:06:34.9001042 and that figure was published you know in a certain degree in different newspapers and
01:06:41.560on the radio and tv you know in way down the bulletin maybe or whatever it was a sensational
01:06:48.400thing in a certain sense but it wasn't treated sensationally but then two days later the same
01:06:55.060media went back to using the 1760 figure and building from there up again as if the thing
01:07:01.520had never happened at all and nobody noticed if you said it to anybody say oh yeah i think i might
01:07:05.980have i did hear something i can't remember but you know uh but no i think the new the figure is now
01:07:10.880i saw the figure today and it's very clear you know so there's doing there are all these tricks
01:07:15.840which we didn't even know were possible and this is lying you see ultimately this is all lying it's
01:07:22.360not like that it's just tricks it's not just that they're kind of massaging the facts massaging the
01:07:29.360facts is lying being economical with the truth is lying you know all of these things and and
01:07:34.740journalists have forgotten these things they think that you know that they can you know get away on
01:07:39.080a technicality when you come to telling the truth or not well you can't yeah well said well um this
01:07:47.960has been a fascinating conversation i've appreciated it greatly again the title of the
01:07:52.040book is the abolition of reality the abolition of reality written by john waters uh published by
01:07:58.680western front books uh john can you tell people uh quickly where they can purchase the book and
01:08:04.200then also how they can follow you online well you can uh get the book from the publisher from