The NXR Podcast - November 19, 2025


THE LIVESTREAM - The Culture of Critique w⧸Dr. Kevin MacDonald

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Tucker Carlson Mark Levin Charlie Crist Nick Quentes McDonald Joseph Heinrich Chuck Schumer John F. Kennedy George W. Bush Ben Shapiro Jean Kirkpatrick Kevin MacDonald Hubert Humphrey Oxlant Observer Joseph Stalin Emanuel Hart Charles Carroll Barry Weiss Gerald Ford John Bolton and 11 more
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Dr. Kevin MacDonald joins us on the show to talk about his new book, The Culture of Critique, a book that explores Jewish influence in the West over the centuries. Dr. MacDonald has been a professor for 30 years at Cal State Long Beach psychology department, and is now a retired professor at the University of California, Los Angeles. He is the author of two books, one on the history of anti-Semitism and one on Jewish influence throughout the West.

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00:00:27 Today we have a special guest.
00:00:28 We have Dr. Kevin MacDonald, who's going to be joining us on the show.
00:00:32 He has recently written The Culture of Critique.
00:00:36 This is a book that's exploring Jewish influence throughout the West over the centuries.
00:00:41 And so we're going to be asking him a series of questions and dealing with some of the
00:00:46 history, understanding where we are, why we are where we are, and where we might be heading.
00:00:53 So that's today's episode.
00:00:54 Stay tuned.
00:00:56 All right, we're here. We're here. Dr. McDonald, welcome to the show. Just right here at the
00:01:07 intro, tell us a little bit about yourself. You were a teacher and professor for a long time,
00:01:11 so what you taught, where you taught, and I guess a little bit of what inspired you all the way back
00:01:16 in the day when you wrote the first edition to write this book and explore the themes that you
00:01:20 did yeah um as you were saying i'm a retired professor uh i spent about 30 years at cal
00:01:29 state long beach psychology department and um my background was in evolutionary biology
00:01:37 and um you know i combined evolutionary biology with psychology but i got into the idea of groups
00:01:46 that's being important in evolution, which was quite controversial at the time.
00:01:50 I came out with my first book on Judaism in 1994.
00:01:56 And basically, it was about how Jews dealt with other peoples,
00:02:00 how they disciplined their own people,
00:02:05 and how they got out in the world in traditional societies.
00:02:10 And then I wrote a book in 1998 on anti-Semitism.
00:02:15 And as an evolutionary biologist, I did not think that it was entirely the fault of non-Jews. 0.78
00:02:23 And so, you know, each one of those, the major outbreaks of anti-Semitism throughout history, my view, is that they were, they involved Jewish behavior that the non-Jews disliked. 0.80
00:02:41 liked. I mean, Jews have a long history of making 0.93
00:02:45 alliances with elites at the top of the society.
00:02:49 In traditional societies, it would be the kings, the aristocracy,
00:02:54 and when the aristocracy 0.99
00:02:57 was oppressive, the Jews were the face of that. They were 0.95
00:03:01 into money lending, and the aristocracy took a ton of that.
00:03:05 They were into tax collecting. The aristocracy, of course,
00:03:08 kind of that and so they were much hated uh really throughout history um and they did not have much
00:03:18 power really they had some power and they were always connected with these elites
00:03:24 but when you had the enlightenment they their power really changed took off and they got
00:03:30 involved in the media, they got involved
00:03:32 in universities.
00:03:36 The book
00:03:37 on animal
00:03:38 was called Separation of Discontents
00:03:40 1998
00:03:41 and the same year
00:03:43 it started out as one book but it became
00:03:46 two, took a long time to get
00:03:48 published
00:03:49 but it got published by
00:03:52 the same academic publisher
00:03:54 as the first one
00:03:56 the Prager
00:03:58 publisher
00:03:58 and um so it came out in 1998 and the idea there was that it's just focusing on the 20th century
00:04:09 and Jewish influence and what are they up to what do they want and and so that that again it was
00:04:17 controversial in my field to have the idea that groups were important I got the idea originally
00:04:23 In the 1980s, I talked about the ancient Spartans.
00:04:28 What they would do is they'd take their children away from their parents.
00:04:31 They would train all the boys to be soldiers.
00:04:35 And they were a huge military force to be reckoned with in the ancient world. 0.77
00:04:43 But the cultural critique is all about culture and about Jews got involved in media. 0.77
00:04:51 They got involved in universities.
00:04:53 And so on. So that was the first edition was 1998. Second edition came out in 2002. And this is the third edition of Culture of Critique. It's got a fan base, shall we say. It has been quite well known in certain circles.
00:05:11 And the idea, again, is about Jewish influence in the 20th century.
00:05:17 So I have chapters on Jews on the left.
00:05:19 I have chapters on, because there's just a long history of Jews being involved with the left going back to the 19th century.
00:05:27 And the chapter on psychoanalysis, I have a chapter on the neoconservatives, which is new to the third edition.
00:05:38 because, you know, when I wrote the original in 1998,
00:05:42 the neoconservatives weren't that important.
00:05:46 You know, they were hardly well-known.
00:05:49 But, you know, actually, if I was paying attention,
00:05:53 they were pretty well-known even then.
00:05:55 But after, you know, 2002, you started to see 2003,
00:06:00 the war in Iraq, and neocons were all over that.
00:06:05 And there was some deception involved.
00:06:08 a lot of uh that sort of thing and so that that was another chapter and uh brought that up to
00:06:15 date um i mean they're still very powerful and and you know marco rubia is often considered a neocon
00:06:23 but i have a question yes i was just going to ask um you're writing you know and focusing on groups
00:06:31 uh you've said that a couple times and i think that's really important because i don't think that
00:06:35 the typical westerner especially of european descent thinks in terms of groups maybe thinks
00:06:42 in terms of groups if we're talking about group identity in the realm of politics or the realm
00:06:46 of religion but certainly not ethnically whereas i'm under the impression you can correct me if you
00:06:52 think i'm wrong but i think that ethnically speaking virtually every people in the world
00:06:59 thinks of themselves as a group to varying degrees, except for white people. And so if I
00:07:06 was drawing a spectrum, right, I think that's fair to say. So I think that if I was like drawing,
00:07:11 you know, it's a sliding scale, a spectrum, you know, varying degrees. I, you know, from some of
00:07:17 my reading and some of my just personal experience, I would say that Jews would be on the high end of
00:07:22 that scale in terms of group identity on the basis of ethnicity. We are Jewish ethnically.
00:07:29 And that is a group and we belong to each other.
00:07:32 We're working towards each other's benefit, those kinds of things. 1.00
00:07:35 And then I would see somewhere in between there, you know, you would have blacks and
00:07:39 Hispanics and various other peoples. 0.77
00:07:41 And then I would see Europeans at the far end of the scale. 0.87
00:07:44 So if Jews are like a 10 in terms of viewing themselves as a group, I would say that the
00:07:49 average European is a zero, you know, and doesn't think that way at all.
00:07:53 Do you think that that's fair?
00:07:54 yes i wrote a book in 2019 came out and it's called individualism in the western liberal
00:08:02 tradition and the whole point is that the west is individualistic and um we we don't identify
00:08:10 with groups as well and that has been corroborated by the way with uh joseph henrich's book uh it's
00:08:17 called the the weirdest people in the world because we are the weirdest people in the world
00:08:23 We're the only culture in the world that really emphasizes individualism.
00:08:30 And we don't identify with groups very, very well.
00:08:34 We don't have, when we see strangers, we don't make invidious attributions about them.
00:08:41 We tend to be individualists.
00:08:44 And actually a great example right now is Tucker Carlson.
00:08:47 And, you know, he's got a lot of hot water because he interviewed Nick Cuentas and all that.
00:08:54 But when you look at what he writes and he consistently does this, you say group identities are horrible.
00:09:01 You know, that if you have group identities, you're going to have warfare.
00:09:05 You're going to have ethnic hostility and all that.
00:09:08 So he completely avoids that.
00:09:10 He misses that.
00:09:11 Yeah, we, you know, we saw his interview with Nick and we appreciate Tucker.
00:09:14 I think he does, you know, a lot of good.
00:09:16 And, um, and I think the backlash against him is, uh, unmerited.
00:09:19 You're allowed to interview whoever you want.
00:09:21 If somebody wants to do a more hostile interview and try to pin Nick to the floor, then they
00:09:25 can do it.
00:09:25 Um, but he's allowed to interview Nick and, uh, and do what he wants.
00:09:28 Uh, but the, one of the portions of that particular interview where, you know, I found myself
00:09:34 disagreeing with Tucker is that, you know, Tucker, you know, it's like, well, you know,
00:09:38 when it comes to, you know, I just don't judge people on, uh, on a group level, you know?
00:09:43 and, and I think that like, you know, he's a Christian, we're Christians as well, Wes and I,
00:09:48 and, and, you know, we talked about this recently, but there's just, there's different
00:09:52 categories. Westerners need to be, and Christians for that matter, need to begin to think in
00:09:57 different categories, Christians, different theological categories. So if you are a Christian
00:10:01 and that's, you know, and that's your conviction, then it is true that on the basis of God's
00:10:06 judgment, and specifically God's perfect, just, and eternal judgment, God is going to render that
00:10:14 judgment on an individual basis. So that, you know, when each person stands before God on that
00:10:20 final day, it's, you know, it's going to be, you know, what have you done with your life? And if
00:10:25 you're Christian, then namely that, did you trust in the Lord Jesus? But it's going to be on the 0.99
00:10:31 basis of their works. And we have ample New Testament texts that talk about that on that
00:10:34 final day, you know, uh, Matthew chapter seven, they'll say, Lord, Lord, but you know, I did this
00:10:39 and I did that, you know? And, um, and so it does seem to be individually, um, this, this judgment,
00:10:44 but the idea that as people in a temporal plane, as finite creatures that we can't, um, make any
00:10:52 assessments whatsoever based off of, um, based off of groups, uh, is, is, uh, not, not only is it, um,
00:11:00 is it is it not the moral brag that people claim it is but it's it's actually even illogical
00:11:09 you're basically denying that you do something that everyone it just instinctively does we we
00:11:14 all do this and i'm not even speaking about groups strictly in terms of ethnic divisions but
00:11:20 we do this politically we do this religiously we do this ethnically we do this um economically you
00:11:26 know the way that somebody is dressed you know what car they drive all these different symbols
00:11:31 of status we do it um in terms i mean companies do it when it comes to hiring right there i mean
00:11:37 their entire swaths of fields that i would never be able to get a job in because i didn't go to an
00:11:42 ivy league school that's a pre-judgment it's a prejudice and and to think that a prejudice i
00:11:48 think that's part of the problem is we as westerners we have truncated that word prejudice
00:11:52 to where it is inherently and exclusively immoral.
00:11:57 But I think that a prejudice is not inherently immoral.
00:12:00 You can have immoral, you can have prejudice on immoral bases,
00:12:05 but you could also have prejudice that is simply rational and logical
00:12:09 and there's no real morality attached to it one way or the other.
00:12:14 Do you think that that's fair?
00:12:16 Yes, I do.
00:12:18 And I think it's a very nice analysis, especially from a religious perspective. 1.00
00:12:25 You know, Jews are the opposite. 1.00
00:12:27 They're extremely collectivist. 1.00
00:12:29 I mean, you see this now in Israel, you know, where the West Bank settlers,
00:12:37 the slaughter that they've engaged in in Gaza, women and children, everybody.
00:12:42 um you know it's this you know and and i i just wrote a thing on mark levin and mark levin 0.63
00:12:50 he really wants all all the people in gaza to be murdered yeah he's bloodthirsty he is bloodthirsty
00:12:59 and and and you know it was just him that's one thing but he reflects the attitudes i think of 0.94
00:13:05 the Israeli government, and what, you know, they're sort of right-wing within Israel,
00:13:13 and they are dominant.
00:13:15 And the American Jewish community is supporting them, AIPAC and all. 0.96
00:13:19 They are, you know, so this is scary. 0.98
00:13:23 And, you know, Tucker's way of analyzing this is a losing strategy.
00:13:28 I mean, we live in a world of groups, and more so than ever.
00:13:34 And, you know, blacks, Latinos, Jews, everybody comes into this country and they're encouraged to adopt an ethnic or religious or some kind of identity.
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00:18:43 To me, it seems like one of the ways that we got off the rails in the West is, for one,
00:18:50 I think we took for granted that for a fairly decent portion of time, we were largely a
00:18:57 homogenous society. You know, I mean, it was 90% white European. And I understand that like,
00:19:03 you know, there were some distinctions, like we weren't very excited about the Irish and then we
00:19:06 weren't very excited about the Italians, you know, and like, so there were, you know, different
00:19:10 pockets along the way that, that came with growing pains and frustrations and tensions. And some of
00:19:15 those were ethnic, some of those were actually religious. It wasn't just Italians where, you
00:19:19 know, it was, it was Catholics, you know, versus Protestants. And so, and because the Catholics
00:19:23 were kind of held at arm's length, you know, initially some of them turned to crime and you
00:19:28 have the mob syndicates, you know, in New York and these kinds of things in a similar way that
00:19:32 historically Jews who were held at arm's length for various reasons, there were reasons you can
00:19:38 agree or disagree with them, but it wasn't arbitrary. There were reasons. And so then they
00:19:42 went to money lending, right? If you can't have land and work the land, then you go to, you know,
00:19:46 something else, you're splitting the penny a million times and, you know, making your living
00:19:49 off of interest and usury and all those kinds of things. But my point is that largely homogenous,
00:19:54 yes, Italians, yes, Germans, you know, yes, Englishmen, but largely homogenous in terms
00:19:59 of European descent in Western countries, including America for a very long time in
00:20:04 which you have the luxury. And I think it was taken for granted. We didn't, we didn't quite
00:20:09 recognize why we had that, but you have the luxury in a homogenous society to think more
00:20:14 individualistically, to think on the basis of this person, that person, because your country,
00:20:19 your nation, your society is one group. So I think that's, when I think of causes for what
00:20:24 you're espousing, I would, I would, you know, name that as one of the causes. And the second cause,
00:20:29 and this bothers me because we're, you know, I'm a Christian. And in fact, I don't know if you're
00:20:33 aware of this, but I actually am a pastor. And so it bothers me, but I want to, I want to own
00:20:38 the impetus because I want to lead the way for Christians to repent. You would think, you know, 1.00
00:20:43 that's kind of a Christian principle, but I think that Christians are actually, the distinct
00:20:49 Christian faith of the West is one of the reasons that we've gotten into this problem, because
00:20:55 now I think it was a category error, so I don't think that the Bible intrinsically or inherently
00:21:01 forces you to think this way, but I think misinterpreted, it does. I think that Christians 0.96
00:21:06 conflated, if I was kind of what I said earlier, but to put it in a nutshell, Christians conflated
00:21:11 the perfect eternal judgment of God, which I do believe is individual with temporal societal
00:21:18 national judgments, um, uh, from, from humans. So we conflated the eternal and final judgment of God
00:21:26 with a temporal, um, judgments of people. And that is a massive category error. And so in the spirit
00:21:34 of Christianity, when, when not thinking in categories and, and not exercising a lot of
00:21:41 discernment in the in the spirit of trying to be christian or what we thought was christian right
00:21:46 well like what's you know if you were just you know think of one of the core tenets of christianity
00:21:51 is it will be like jesus you know and jesus being god that be like god okay well how does god judge
00:21:56 well god judge judges um he judges perfectly he judges eternally uh but but there's another aspect
00:22:04 of that, God is omniscient. God knows everything. The reason that we make prejudgments, it's not
00:22:11 because God is morally perfect and we're fallible. The reason why we make prejudge, and that's the
00:22:17 only category of views. We're like, God doesn't do prejudgments, and we do, because he doesn't
00:22:23 make prejudgments because he's moral, perfectly moral, and we do because we're immoral. And so
00:22:29 then we made prejudice inherently immoral. But there's another category. Maybe God doesn't make
00:22:33 prejudgments because not because of morality, but because of omniscience, knowledge. God knows
00:22:38 everything and we're finite. So maybe it's less about our fallenness where prejudice steps in
00:22:44 and more about our finitude, the fact that we don't know everything. So when I'm meeting someone
00:22:49 for the very first time, it's not the immoral impetus of arrogance or hostility. It's actually
00:22:58 more the fact that I have nothing to go off of because I'm finite, because I'm not omniscient.
00:23:02 And so all I have is those things which are initial and witnessable and visible and apparent, you know, their dress, their ethnicity, their accent, their speech, those kinds of, or if it's on social media, their political affiliation, you know, are they Republican or Democrat?
00:23:21 And so I just, I think we got off the rails and sadly, I think one, we took for granted
00:23:28 a homogenous society. 0.88
00:23:29 Two, we tried to live up to our Christian expectations, but we committed a category
00:23:34 error and conflated God's perfect, eternal, omniscient judgment as though that was the
00:23:41 only standard for any element of judgment from finite creatures in a temporal plane.
00:23:48 i that that's part of how i would account for this category here yeah i i i was raised uh catholic
00:23:56 and um yeah i mentioned joseph heinrich's book uh called the called the weirdest people in the
00:24:05 world weird because we are so unique but he he attributes the catholic church as being
00:24:11 the major force in producing individualism and making the West what it is.
00:24:17 I don't go that far, but I do think that the Catholic Church had a huge role in Western history.
00:24:24 And, of course, now Protestantism.
00:24:27 But the point is that we have to understand the role of Christianity.
00:24:34 And when you talk about homogeneous society, yes, there were definitely conflicts in American history between Irish and so on.
00:24:43 But the fact is we developed a homogeneous society and people, you know, there was 90 percent European and it was a very cohesive society.
00:24:58 society it was um became the most powerful society in the world and let's face it it was it was
00:25:08 enormous success but the reality is that the jews i mean i have a chapter on jews and immigration
00:25:15 policy jews did not like the homogeneity of the west and especially after the 1930s when
00:25:21 they saw what happened in germany where you had a homogeneous christian society
00:25:26 rise up against the jews and uh you know they saw uh white christians basically as proto-nazis
00:25:35 and uh so they felt they would be much safer in a society with a lot of different ethnic groups
00:25:42 and and so they very intensely lobbied for uh multi-ethnic multicultural immigration
00:25:50 and that's what we have um that makes a lot of sense and yeah and it seems like they play kind
00:25:59 of both sides of the field that like you know jews certainly have um more long-standing ties
00:26:05 with the political left in in the american context but as you said more recent development
00:26:11 in the past decades with neocons on the right but but it does seem that that that um there's still
00:26:18 a concert effect, uh, working in tandem that, you know, I, I, I feel like Jewish influence on the 0.65
00:26:26 political right wages wars that create refugees and Jewish influence on the political left 0.80
00:26:33 open doors thinking of Toledo, you know, and welcome them into Western countries. And so 0.92
00:26:40 even though they may sharply politically disagree with one another, you know, um, a Ben Shapiro
00:26:45 with, I don't know, whatever, you know, a Chuck Schumer, that the effect still seems, you know,
00:26:55 to work out. You were going to say something, Wes. I was going to say from a group kind of
00:27:00 evolutionary analysis, a minority acting in that way makes a lot of sense. So if you're a minority
00:27:05 in a given country, as the Jews were in Europe, and honestly, you're not liked very much. There's
00:27:10 reasons that Europeans hate the Jews. There's reasons Jews hate the Europeans. So you're a 0.99
00:27:15 minority in a country, multiple countries, you're not liked very much. It would make a lot of sense
00:27:20 that if possible, so your high IQ, your high achievement, your in-group preference, that you
00:27:25 would leverage those things to say, how can I make this country the most welcoming, the most accepting,
00:27:31 the most mobile? How could I be most mobile in this society so I can make life good for me,
00:27:37 especially coming from the 20th century? 20th century was not great. Your pogroms, your
00:27:42 concentration camps. All these different things happened. So it, of course, makes sense. The 1950s,
00:27:46 the 1960s, and the 70s. Neoconservativism on the right. Immigration policy. I believe it was
00:27:52 one of the two Hartzeller, the senator and the representative that sponsored the immigration
00:27:57 bill. One of them a Jewish, I believe, was Emanuel Hart. It would make sense that both sides,
00:28:02 no matter where you place them, they would say, how can we make this country most welcoming? And
00:28:06 your title of your book, The Culture of Critique, they were very critical of the WASP, the white
00:28:11 Anglo-Saxon Protestant, because the 40s and the 50s and 60s, a lot of institutions were gatekept
00:28:16 from Jews. You recount a story of a young Jewish scholar just bristling that there were men's clubs
00:28:22 in Columbia and other Ivy League institutions they had no access to. And so they set to work,
00:28:28 and it didn't take five years or 10 years. It took multiple generations. But that critique of that
00:28:34 culture and taking a sledgehammer to his foundation, sledgehammer to immigration policy,
00:28:38 that's the thesis of your book
00:28:40 that's what they did
00:28:42 and it largely created the situation we have 0.61
00:28:45 right now where by and large Europeans
00:28:47 who once were the majority in America
00:28:49 very soon will no longer be
00:28:51 yeah
00:28:52 yeah they actually lost the battle
00:28:55 in 1924
00:28:56 1924 immigration law
00:28:59 severely restricted immigration
00:29:01 and emphasized western Europe
00:29:03 Jews took that
00:29:05 very personally as an insult
00:29:07 And they still have that grudge against white America, by the way, that they were kept out because at the time, the Jews that came in were very, very orthodox. 0.84
00:29:21 They were either they were very orthodox or very much on the left. 0.98
00:29:25 Radicals. This is at a time right after the Soviet Union was established. 0.76
00:29:28 People were very afraid of what was happening.
00:29:31 There were some leaking out of the horrifying events in the Soviet Union.
00:29:35 And Americans did not want this. And so they restricted immigration. But so 40 years later, they succeeded. And there was a constant effort that entire time establishing, you know, organizations, establishing panels of experts, getting John F. Kennedy to write a book.
00:29:59 He didn't actually write it. He put his name on it. Same with Hubert Humphrey. And so it was a full court press on immigration. And, you know, there was a real fear, especially after World War Two, about what could happen in a homogeneous white Christian society.
00:30:18 and um so here we are yeah what do you 25 uh sort of reaping the results of that right hey friends 0.66
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00:32:26 here. Reese Fund, Christian Capital, boldly deployed. I was going to ask, so what would be
00:32:34 your personal thoughts as someone who has studied uh this subject matter for quite some time
00:32:39 and looking at the lay of the land and where we are today do you do you have any hope do you feel
00:32:47 like it's over do you like what do uh what do you predict or what do you suspect uh the coming years
00:32:54 might look like well we have to keep fighting and and we have to we can't give up um but i do fear 0.84
00:33:03 what would happen to a white minority population
00:33:08 if they really lost power.
00:33:10 You see what happened in the Soviet Union
00:33:12 when the Russians lost power. 0.86
00:33:15 You see what happened in Gaza 1.00
00:33:17 when Jews controlled it completely 1.00
00:33:19 and they just wiped people out. 1.00
00:33:23 So it's a very dangerous situation that we are in.
00:33:28 And certainly white people will have power 0.63
00:33:32 or even when they become a minority, but they will have dwindling power. 0.98
00:33:38 And you're still going to have this Jewish elite. 0.99
00:33:40 I mean, the thing is, especially in the third edition,
00:33:43 I emphasize in the introduction, which is like 100 pages.
00:33:47 Excuse me, I get a problem here.
00:33:52 That the real story here is the rise of a new elite.
00:33:56 If you go back to the beginning of the 20th century, 0.95
00:33:58 you know this wasp elite centered in the ivyly universities wall street the state department 0.98
00:34:04 and politics and and uh that is what in many clips you saw a gradual rise of the jews
00:34:14 um beginning in the 1920s i suppose you could say but there's a lot of 87 is the 1920s henry
00:34:21 ford very famously wrote you know the uh they're born independent and um later in 1930s you had
00:34:32 father charles carl coughlin and he was a catholic priest and a huge radio audience and he was
00:34:39 railing against the jews and the bankers and all that and but after world war ii anti-semitism
00:34:46 just declined to nothing and you saw the rise of the jews in the universities uh even more so in
00:34:52 the media uh i mean jews have been in the media since the 19 20s 1910s because the uh new york
00:35:01 times was was owned by jews and very specifically it was funded by jacob shepherd one of these very
00:35:07 wealthy jews and they got a jewish editor and owner there and the whole point was to it was
00:35:15 to help the Jews. And then, you know, NBC was Jewish, CBS was Jewish. And so when I grew up,
00:35:28 you had three networks, ABC, CBS, NBC, they were all owned by Jews. And so huge position in media. 0.98
00:35:36 And that's important because media has influence. We're seeing less influence now,
00:35:43 of the legacy media but it certainly has influence and i'm very concerned about larry ellison
00:35:50 he was extremely wealthy uh owner of oracle uh more or less he has bought up cbs and more
00:36:02 importantly he bought up tiktok correct and he installed barry weiss as head of cbs now barry
00:36:08 Weiss, if you know her, she is a fanatic scientist, okay? You're not going to see any criticism of
00:36:13 Israel on CBS, and they are going to be gung-ho for any war that might benefit Israel. So the 0.54
00:36:21 media is still important, and it's still a large inner Jewish ownership. Certainly there's been 1.00
00:36:28 some good things that have happened, like Elon Musk taking over Twitter and installing a much
00:36:36 more free speech regime and uh that's all to be good i'm so sorry um but anyway the point is that 0.99
00:36:50 uh there's a rise of the jews after world war ii especially in the 1960s i lived through it
00:36:57 in the university of wisconsin i was a student there the jews were totally involved jew students 0.51
00:37:05 who were really called red diaper babies
00:37:08 because their parents were communists in the 1930s.
00:37:13 And their children in the 1960s
00:37:16 became the sort of cutting edge
00:37:19 of the radical movement of the 1960s.
00:37:21 So I have a chapter on that.
00:37:23 But, you know, I lived through it, as I said.
00:37:26 It was very striking.
00:37:27 I had Jewish roommates.
00:37:29 I went to these protests.
00:37:30 But it never felt quite right with me.
00:37:32 And then afterwards, I gradually moved to more conservative positions.
00:37:38 I voted for Gerald Ford, for example.
00:37:41 And anyway, that's sort of my story.
00:37:46 Yeah.
00:37:47 Dr. McDonald, I'll give you a second here and lay the premise, because I want to hear from you on Bolshevism, specifically 1917.
00:37:54 The Bolshevik Party with Russia, you had the collapse of basically the last of the Christian emperors.
00:37:59 and so discontent among the peasants led to provisional government. I think it lasted just
00:38:04 for a short number of years. Then you had different groups vying for power, the Mensheviks,
00:38:08 the Bolsheviks, and ultimately, as we know from history, the Bolsheviks were successful in October
00:38:13 of 1917. Now, the history of the Bolsheviks is not as simple as to simply say they were all Jews.
00:38:19 There's leadership, there's foot soldiers, there's revolutionaries, there's criminals. 0.79
00:38:23 But what's fascinating, and I think applicable to our time, the Bolsheviks were mostly comprised 0.95
00:38:28 of non-Russians. So you go into Jewish involvement in the book. We don't have time to get into all
00:38:33 of that here, specifically in leadership. What's also fascinating is as you have a natural Russian
00:38:40 aristocracy replaced and an uprising of the people that are, they're furious, they're mad, 0.91
00:38:46 they want regime change. The party that succeeds is not a party homegrown of the people of Russia
00:38:53 with a political solution that makes sense for a Russian people. 0.91
00:38:57 It's outsiders. 1.00
00:38:58 It's people not native to the land.
00:39:00 Those that have come in and said,
00:39:02 we'd like a piece of this and we'd like some of that.
00:39:04 We think there's ways that this could be improved here. 1.00
00:39:07 And Jews, largely involved in the leadership of it,
00:39:11 coming in and saying, this seems like a great moment.
00:39:14 This seems like a great opportunity.
00:39:15 The people want this.
00:39:16 And a relatively small party in Russia brought about the system
00:39:20 that, again, was established forward to 1989, close to 80 years, and untold bloodshed in the
00:39:29 millions. But again, don't miss the point. Jews, yes, but also leading, you could say, a multinational,
00:39:35 multi-ethnic coalition that was critical of the existing stock, the existing culture, the existing
00:39:43 people that were there from the outside, commandeering, taking it over, and then going on 0.96
00:39:50 to commit probably the worst crimes as far as crimes against a given people that I would say
00:39:56 just about we've ever seen in the modern world. And I don't see that as a one-off, that type of
00:40:01 resentment, that type of hatred, that type of just anger towards the ruling class. And here's what
00:40:09 they did to you. And here's what they've taken from you. We saw some of that just in 2020 with
00:40:15 Black Lives Matter. We're going to burn down cities. We're going to shoot cops in the head 1.00
00:40:19 because they've done this to us. 0.88
00:40:22 And so I don't think the Bolshevik Revolution,
00:40:24 and I would love to hear your thoughts, 0.85
00:40:26 it's not the first time that ethnic conflict
00:40:28 has been or will be exploited
00:40:32 towards violence and towards regime change.
00:40:35 What do you think of that?
00:40:37 That is quite correct.
00:40:38 That's exactly my analysis in Chapter 3 of Cultural Critique,
00:40:43 that what happened with the Bolshevik Revolution
00:40:46 was that a non-Russian ethnic, well, not just one group, but a lot of them,
00:40:53 the Jews were certainly very prominent, the most prominent of the other ethnic groups. 0.98
00:40:59 And they had no mercy.
00:41:01 There's hatred towards the Russians. 0.55
00:41:04 And there's one lesson that comes out of this. 0.95
00:41:06 You don't want to get in a situation where you are a minority or majority 0.96
00:41:13 majority that is ruled by a hostile ethnic group. 0.64
00:41:19 And of course, that's what we have here now, where our elite is hostile towards the people 0.81
00:41:24 and culture of America, the Christian culture, traditional Christian culture of America, 0.64
00:41:29 the white homogeneous majority that really was there when I was growing up, really until
00:41:36 after the 1965 immigration law and changing gradually after that.
00:41:41 But now we've imported, you know, many, many million, 65 million or something.
00:41:47 And now we are on the verge of being a minority. 0.87
00:41:51 If you look at the children, most children are non-white in this country. 1.00
00:41:55 So we have a huge problem ahead of us. 1.00
00:42:00 And we have to, you know, as an evolutionist, I don't think human nature is going to change. 0.73
00:42:05 I think that the hostility, and we already see the hostility toward white people. 0.61
00:42:10 we're blamed for everything
00:42:12 and
00:42:14 we're the bad guys
00:42:16 of human history
00:42:17 and when you have
00:42:20 that attitude and it's very widespread
00:42:22 and you can see it
00:42:24 in places like MSNBC
00:42:26 and other
00:42:28 major
00:42:31 media figures
00:42:31 so that's a very scary proposition
00:42:34 but yeah they were very 0.85
00:42:36 committed, they hated the Russians 0.90
00:42:38 They hated Christianity 1.00
00:42:40 They loved burning down the churches 1.00
00:42:43 Or making the churches into reading rooms
00:42:46 Or something
00:42:46 And then that went on for
00:42:49 You know, decades
00:42:51 But especially in the first 1.00
00:42:53 You know, Jews actually lost power
00:42:55 In the Soviet Union after World War II 0.71
00:42:57 They did
00:42:58 They started getting pushed out by Russians 0.99
00:43:00 And then you had
00:43:03 The movement of neocons in this country
00:43:05 Neoconservants, one of the big
00:43:07 issues early on was
00:43:09 that Jews were being persecuted in the 0.82
00:43:11 Soviet Union, can't have that 1.00
00:43:12 and so they 0.98
00:43:14 got the
00:43:16 bill to allow 0.99
00:43:19 Jewish emigration from Russia, it was
00:43:20 a big deal
00:43:21 and 1.00
00:43:24 so Jews 0.84
00:43:27 have definitely
00:43:27 were involved
00:43:30 in the first decades and those are the ones
00:43:33 those first decades there were until
00:43:34 20 million Russians were murdered
00:43:36 think about that 20 million i mean it's mind-boggling to even imagine it because
00:43:42 people were just executed summarily uh if you had a bourgeois background
00:43:48 you were automatically suspect brutal time they had no problem with group identity so europeans
00:43:57 won't think in groups but your enemy if it comes to that in ethnic warfare they will absolutely
00:44:02 use categories to bucket you well but i was uh i was a supporter of blm i'm a progressive
00:44:08 it's not very likely that that would save you if it came to that point irena who bled out and died 0.95
00:44:14 alone on a train was a supporter of blm we did not save her right the black man oh oh you're one
00:44:22 of the good ones no he he didn't care i want to hear from you uh maybe this is the last movement
00:44:28 we'll cover on neoconservatism. Because that switch that happened, a lot of people don't
00:44:33 realize, like you said, Jews very prominent. I mean, Karl Marx was Jewish, for one. Others,
00:44:39 Joseph Stalin was not Jewish. Jews very represented early on in the Soviet Union. But eventually,
00:44:44 like you said, it turned on them. And obviously, Germany and the other European countries,
00:44:49 they were not very welcomed as well. And so neoconservatism, it's not as simple. It's not
00:44:55 simply for Jews, for Jewish interests, and you get into, in the book, the criteria for examining
00:45:02 something as a Jewish interest. It needs to be explicitly for, it needs to have the weight of
00:45:06 Jewish organizations behind it. But with the switch to neoconservatism, Jews saw on the left 0.80
00:45:13 that they were unwelcome. And then what happened in the 60s and 70s is they said,
00:45:18 our interests, the protection of Israel, among other things, for the Zionists, that doesn't seem
00:45:23 to be in their interest at all. They're not going to protect us. They're not going to look out for 0.94
00:45:27 us. And so you have this movement and people think, well, Jews and leftist movements, but
00:45:32 neoconservatism, I mean, conservatism is right there in it, is also to a movement very much so
00:45:38 to advance Jewish interests. And what will often happen in these movements, which you explain well
00:45:43 in the book, it won't always be comprised of Jews or even be the majority, but they will have people
00:45:50 that are friendly to their interests, serve at the face. And so then when criticism comes,
00:45:54 well, it seems like this whole organization exists for Jewish interests. They can say,
00:46:00 well, hold on. This Jew is not involved in this movement. And here in this movement, 1.00
00:46:05 George W. Bush, Nikki Haley, they're not Jewish. They're not advancing Jewish interests. 0.85
00:46:10 That's one of the ways that criticism is deflected. So if you could, I would love to hear
00:46:15 Strauss and Jaffa come to mind, among others, the progenitors and the leaders of neoconservativism,
00:46:22 the fathers of it as an idea, their involvement, and then how you would make the best defense.
00:46:29 The neoconservativism, in some ways, perhaps not all, is still a very Jewish movement,
00:46:34 even despite being on the right. Yes, I mean, and because Jews are only two or three percent
00:46:43 of the population. They have to make allies, always have had to. And that's especially true
00:46:47 if you're involved in a political movement. You have to try to get, you know, votes ultimately.
00:46:55 And so with the neocons, that was always very important. And they, early on, they had people
00:47:02 like Jane Kirkpatrick and other people like that. And some of these people really had the same
00:47:11 ideas. You know, they
00:47:12 strongly back Israel, and maybe
00:47:15 for religious reasons, maybe for
00:47:17 you know, foreign
00:47:19 policy reasons that, you know, it's good for
00:47:21 America. But
00:47:22 the point is, they
00:47:24 are then welcomed
00:47:27 into this movement because they're on page
00:47:29 with that. And so
00:47:30 what the Jews have been very good at
00:47:33 is establishing a very elaborate infrastructure.
00:47:36 If you have ideas
00:47:37 that these people like,
00:47:39 You can get a job. You can get a you can work for them, write for them, advocate for them, lobby for them.
00:47:48 And they'll welcome you because they need allies. And that's always true in the in the academic world.
00:47:56 You know, as soon as Jews really climb the top, the academic world, Ivy League universities and so on, 0.97
00:48:03 You started to see departments of black studies, of Chicano studies, Latino studies, Jewish studies, Asian studies.
00:48:13 These are all allies. They're all on the left and they're on the same page, basically.
00:48:20 They're all activists. And so what Jews have always done is recruit other peoples. 0.99
00:48:25 And you still see that now. They're actually Jewish organizations that reach out to these non-white ethnic groups. 0.67
00:48:32 and attempt to make alliance.
00:48:35 It's not so easy with the Muslims because of what's happened in the Middle East.
00:48:40 And you see a lot of conflict there.
00:48:43 And the Jews are very concerned about the mayor of New York, Mamdami,
00:48:48 because he has made pro-Palestinian statements and that sort of thing. 0.92
00:48:54 But that's what Jews have to do as a minority group. 0.98
00:48:58 They have to recruit non-Jews. 0.99
00:49:00 People like John Bolton have come to mind. 0.98
00:49:05 But, you know, if you look at the Wall Street Journal editorial page, all these outlets, Fox News, basically, they are neoconservative.
00:49:17 And so, you know, Mark Levin is fascinating in this regard.
00:49:21 I mean, I used to get bored watching Mark Levin on Fox News on Sunday afternoon or Sunday evening, whatever it was.
00:49:29 And he just talked about the Constitution and stuff.
00:49:33 He's the most boring guy you ever heard. 0.88
00:49:35 All of a sudden now with Israel, he is freaking out and screaming at the top of his lungs about everything. 0.60
00:49:45 It's not it's not the old Mark Levin because he's really involved in his big cause of Israel.
00:49:52 And there's nothing else about this country.
00:49:57 Yeah, that's how it seems.
00:49:58 Go ahead.
00:49:59 I was just going to say, and that's kind of the theme of your book, is that any minority group,
00:50:04 if they had the intelligence and the social mobility, they would do these things too.
00:50:09 That's why Jews have been successful. They are reasonably intelligent. They have
00:50:13 a decent amount of social capacity. You mentioned as well, psychological intensity. They have
00:50:19 affect, they have emotion, they feel these things deeply. And so any group, if they were capable of
00:50:25 it, if Somalians were capable of it, and we see them trying, they would take over and they would 0.95
00:50:30 have, you know, the American Somalian Congress. Of course, they don't. But you do have a group here, 1.00
00:50:35 and we just, so much in just reading the book, this is all just objective fact. It's not anti-Semitic
00:50:41 to talk about it. It doesn't imply terrible and moral solutions. We do have to say, hey,
00:50:47 these group of people, in addition to maybe being American, they've been here for 10 generations.
00:50:51 at some level they have an allegiance much more narrow and much more self-inclined to a small
00:50:58 group of people and you should be able to say that openly hey people from somalia have interests
00:51:03 that align with other people from somalia people uh like we uh we meet for church in a little
00:51:11 german town called walberg well there's lots of things that are very german about that town
00:51:16 and we would say that there are german descended people with relics of the german homeland that
00:51:21 they came from with German food and German beer and German music and German dancing. Those are
00:51:27 the things that they love. So why is it then that there's one group in America that similarly have
00:51:33 those interests, but they're socially and politically mobile, high intelligence that have
00:51:38 been very successful. And that group, we're not allowed to say anything about that dynamic at all.
00:51:43 We just simply have to end that taboo. It has to end. We have to be able to say,
00:51:47 hey that actually might not be in america's interest and it is being advanced because we
00:51:52 know at a certain level you have a biological loyalty to this group of people that's all that
00:51:58 that tucker is saying for example he's now seen as a nazi he and candace owens often called nazis
00:52:05 now and and uh all he's saying is hey you know i'm critical of the fact that the israel lobby
00:52:11 is so influential in American foreign policy.
00:52:15 And they talked about the war with Iran recently,
00:52:19 but also the Iraq war.
00:52:21 And this is the general power that they have in Washington.
00:52:25 And that is way too much for these people.
00:52:29 So, yeah, we have to combat that.
00:52:31 We have to simply state it.
00:52:33 We have to try to get the facts right as best we can.
00:52:36 and I'm always open for debate
00:52:40 and what I say
00:52:43 I try to get good sources
00:52:45 but it's an uphill struggle
00:52:50 and I am kept out of the mainstream media
00:52:54 and it really disappoints me
00:52:56 that that is the case
00:52:58 and I'm sure you might feel the same way
00:53:01 but everybody
00:53:02 there are lines that are drawn
00:53:05 And people dare not cross them without severe consequences. 0.59
00:53:10 And this is, you know, talking about the Jews is way up there 0.96
00:53:15 because you're talking about an elite group in the society, well-funded,
00:53:20 and they fund all their interests and projects,
00:53:27 the infrastructure, the neoconservatives, the left, and much else.
00:53:35 So a powerful group, and we have to be able to talk about them.
00:53:39 Just to give one more plug for your book, I was going to say,
00:53:42 over 600 pages, The Culture of Critique, third edition, very well footnoted.
00:53:47 This is a well-documented, well-researched book.
00:53:49 I think the last 60 pages of it are references,
00:53:52 and most of it you're often citing Jews in their own words.
00:53:55 So just to say you've done a great job of going through,
00:53:58 here's their own words, here's what they've said,
00:54:00 make a conclusion for yourself.
00:54:02 Yeah, well done.
00:54:03 Well, thank you so much for coming on the show.
00:54:05 We really appreciate it.
00:54:07 And is there any way that our listeners could follow you and keep up with your work?
00:54:13 Yeah.
00:54:15 I write on Oxlant Observer, the Oxlant Observer.net, and of course, my book, The Culture of Critique.
00:54:22 I also edit the Oxlant Quarterly, which is more academic type articles.
00:54:29 But there's a big focus on Jewish issues, obviously, everything I do.
00:54:33 anyway okay again i apologize for my physical state i didn't realize it's going to be this bad
00:54:39 yeah no it's okay we can do it again sometime okay well thank you for coming on the show we
00:54:46 really appreciate it and thank you to all the listeners for tuning in and we will see you lord
00:54:51 willing on friday thank you