The NXR Podcast - THE LIVESTREAM - The Culture of Critique w⧸Dr. Kevin MacDonald

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00:00:27.300 Today we have a special guest.

00:00:28.640 We have Dr. Kevin MacDonald, who's going to be joining us on the show.

00:00:32.340 He has recently written The Culture of Critique.

00:00:36.060 This is a book that's exploring Jewish influence throughout the West over the centuries.

00:00:41.960 And so we're going to be asking him a series of questions and dealing with some of the

00:00:46.920 history, understanding where we are, why we are where we are, and where we might be heading.

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00:00:56.800 All right, we're here. We're here. Dr. McDonald, welcome to the show. Just right here at the

00:01:07.380 intro, tell us a little bit about yourself. You were a teacher and professor for a long time,

00:01:11.880 so what you taught, where you taught, and I guess a little bit of what inspired you all the way back

00:01:16.700 in the day when you wrote the first edition to write this book and explore the themes that you

00:01:20.340 did yeah um as you were saying i'm a retired professor uh i spent about 30 years at cal

00:01:29.400 state long beach psychology department and um my background was in evolutionary biology

00:01:37.740 and um you know i combined evolutionary biology with psychology but i got into the idea of groups

00:01:46.160 that's being important in evolution, which was quite controversial at the time.

00:01:50.300 I came out with my first book on Judaism in 1994.

00:01:56.140 And basically, it was about how Jews dealt with other peoples,

00:02:00.940 how they disciplined their own people,

00:02:05.940 and how they got out in the world in traditional societies.

00:02:10.260 And then I wrote a book in 1998 on anti-Semitism.

00:02:15.240 And as an evolutionary biologist, I did not think that it was entirely the fault of non-Jews.

00:02:23.380 And so, you know, each one of those, the major outbreaks of anti-Semitism throughout history, my view, is that they were, they involved Jewish behavior that the non-Jews disliked.

00:02:41.240 liked. I mean, Jews have a long history of making

00:02:45.080 alliances with elites at the top of the society.

00:02:49.080 In traditional societies, it would be the kings, the aristocracy,

00:02:54.160 and when the aristocracy

00:02:57.020 was oppressive, the Jews were the face of that. They were

00:03:01.160 into money lending, and the aristocracy took a ton of that.

00:03:05.120 They were into tax collecting. The aristocracy, of course,

00:03:08.420 kind of that and so they were much hated uh really throughout history um and they did not have much

00:03:18.860 power really they had some power and they were always connected with these elites

00:03:24.020 but when you had the enlightenment they their power really changed took off and they got

00:03:30.820 involved in the media, they got involved

00:03:32.780 in universities.

00:03:36.220 The book

00:03:37.040 on animal

00:03:38.400 was called Separation of Discontents

00:03:40.840 1998

00:03:41.440 and the same year

00:03:43.840 it started out as one book but it became

00:03:46.420 two, took a long time to get

00:03:48.460 published

00:03:49.460 but it got published by

00:03:52.340 the same academic publisher

00:03:54.680 as the first one

00:03:56.360 the Prager

00:03:58.340 publisher

00:03:58.800 and um so it came out in 1998 and the idea there was that it's just focusing on the 20th century

00:04:09.880 and Jewish influence and what are they up to what do they want and and so that that again it was

00:04:17.060 controversial in my field to have the idea that groups were important I got the idea originally

00:04:23.340 In the 1980s, I talked about the ancient Spartans.

00:04:28.120 What they would do is they'd take their children away from their parents.

00:04:31.300 They would train all the boys to be soldiers.

00:04:35.980 And they were a huge military force to be reckoned with in the ancient world.

00:04:43.780 But the cultural critique is all about culture and about Jews got involved in media.

00:04:51.600 They got involved in universities.

00:04:53.340 And so on. So that was the first edition was 1998. Second edition came out in 2002. And this is the third edition of Culture of Critique. It's got a fan base, shall we say. It has been quite well known in certain circles.

00:05:11.500 And the idea, again, is about Jewish influence in the 20th century.

00:05:17.320 So I have chapters on Jews on the left.

00:05:19.860 I have chapters on, because there's just a long history of Jews being involved with the left going back to the 19th century.

00:05:27.580 And the chapter on psychoanalysis, I have a chapter on the neoconservatives, which is new to the third edition.

00:05:38.080 because, you know, when I wrote the original in 1998,

00:05:42.860 the neoconservatives weren't that important.

00:05:46.800 You know, they were hardly well-known.

00:05:49.980 But, you know, actually, if I was paying attention,

00:05:53.060 they were pretty well-known even then.

00:05:55.520 But after, you know, 2002, you started to see 2003,

00:06:00.480 the war in Iraq, and neocons were all over that.

00:06:05.340 And there was some deception involved.

00:06:08.080 a lot of uh that sort of thing and so that that was another chapter and uh brought that up to

00:06:15.840 date um i mean they're still very powerful and and you know marco rubia is often considered a neocon

00:06:23.920 but i have a question yes i was just going to ask um you're writing you know and focusing on groups

00:06:31.840 uh you've said that a couple times and i think that's really important because i don't think that

00:06:35.440 the typical westerner especially of european descent thinks in terms of groups maybe thinks

00:06:42.260 in terms of groups if we're talking about group identity in the realm of politics or the realm

00:06:46.980 of religion but certainly not ethnically whereas i'm under the impression you can correct me if you

00:06:52.980 think i'm wrong but i think that ethnically speaking virtually every people in the world

00:06:59.300 thinks of themselves as a group to varying degrees, except for white people. And so if I

00:07:06.900 was drawing a spectrum, right, I think that's fair to say. So I think that if I was like drawing,

00:07:11.740 you know, it's a sliding scale, a spectrum, you know, varying degrees. I, you know, from some of

00:07:17.100 my reading and some of my just personal experience, I would say that Jews would be on the high end of

00:07:22.140 that scale in terms of group identity on the basis of ethnicity. We are Jewish ethnically.

00:07:29.300 And that is a group and we belong to each other.

00:07:32.420 We're working towards each other's benefit, those kinds of things.

00:07:35.680 And then I would see somewhere in between there, you know, you would have blacks and

00:07:39.080 Hispanics and various other peoples.

00:07:41.540 And then I would see Europeans at the far end of the scale.

00:07:44.300 So if Jews are like a 10 in terms of viewing themselves as a group, I would say that the

00:07:49.180 average European is a zero, you know, and doesn't think that way at all.

00:07:53.400 Do you think that that's fair?

00:07:54.240 yes i wrote a book in 2019 came out and it's called individualism in the western liberal

00:08:02.220 tradition and the whole point is that the west is individualistic and um we we don't identify

00:08:10.060 with groups as well and that has been corroborated by the way with uh joseph henrich's book uh it's

00:08:17.580 called the the weirdest people in the world because we are the weirdest people in the world

00:08:23.400 We're the only culture in the world that really emphasizes individualism.

00:08:30.480 And we don't identify with groups very, very well.

00:08:34.080 We don't have, when we see strangers, we don't make invidious attributions about them.

00:08:41.420 We tend to be individualists.

00:08:44.820 And actually a great example right now is Tucker Carlson.

00:08:47.820 And, you know, he's got a lot of hot water because he interviewed Nick Cuentas and all that.

00:08:54.640 But when you look at what he writes and he consistently does this, you say group identities are horrible.

00:09:01.320 You know, that if you have group identities, you're going to have warfare.

00:09:05.040 You're going to have ethnic hostility and all that.

00:09:08.060 So he completely avoids that.

00:09:10.380 He misses that.

00:09:11.000 Yeah, we, you know, we saw his interview with Nick and we appreciate Tucker.

00:09:14.840 I think he does, you know, a lot of good.

00:09:16.340 And, um, and I think the backlash against him is, uh, unmerited.

00:09:19.620 You're allowed to interview whoever you want.

00:09:21.160 If somebody wants to do a more hostile interview and try to pin Nick to the floor, then they

00:09:25.220 can do it.

00:09:25.700 Um, but he's allowed to interview Nick and, uh, and do what he wants.

00:09:28.920 Uh, but the, one of the portions of that particular interview where, you know, I found myself

00:09:34.440 disagreeing with Tucker is that, you know, Tucker, you know, it's like, well, you know,

00:09:38.980 when it comes to, you know, I just don't judge people on, uh, on a group level, you know?

00:09:43.660 and, and I think that like, you know, he's a Christian, we're Christians as well, Wes and I,

00:09:48.620 and, and, you know, we talked about this recently, but there's just, there's different

00:09:52.320 categories. Westerners need to be, and Christians for that matter, need to begin to think in

00:09:57.100 different categories, Christians, different theological categories. So if you are a Christian

00:10:01.520 and that's, you know, and that's your conviction, then it is true that on the basis of God's

00:10:06.940 judgment, and specifically God's perfect, just, and eternal judgment, God is going to render that

00:10:14.300 judgment on an individual basis. So that, you know, when each person stands before God on that

00:10:20.060 final day, it's, you know, it's going to be, you know, what have you done with your life? And if

00:10:25.560 you're Christian, then namely that, did you trust in the Lord Jesus? But it's going to be on the

00:10:31.160 basis of their works. And we have ample New Testament texts that talk about that on that

00:10:34.620 final day, you know, uh, Matthew chapter seven, they'll say, Lord, Lord, but you know, I did this

00:10:39.100 and I did that, you know? And, um, and so it does seem to be individually, um, this, this judgment,

00:10:44.360 but the idea that as people in a temporal plane, as finite creatures that we can't, um, make any

00:10:52.320 assessments whatsoever based off of, um, based off of groups, uh, is, is, uh, not, not only is it, um,

00:11:00.940 is it is it not the moral brag that people claim it is but it's it's actually even illogical

00:11:09.100 you're basically denying that you do something that everyone it just instinctively does we we

00:11:14.920 all do this and i'm not even speaking about groups strictly in terms of ethnic divisions but

00:11:20.240 we do this politically we do this religiously we do this ethnically we do this um economically you

00:11:26.640 know the way that somebody is dressed you know what car they drive all these different symbols

00:11:31.760 of status we do it um in terms i mean companies do it when it comes to hiring right there i mean

00:11:37.500 their entire swaths of fields that i would never be able to get a job in because i didn't go to an

00:11:42.160 ivy league school that's a pre-judgment it's a prejudice and and to think that a prejudice i

00:11:48.280 think that's part of the problem is we as westerners we have truncated that word prejudice

00:11:52.780 to where it is inherently and exclusively immoral.

00:11:57.220 But I think that a prejudice is not inherently immoral.

00:12:00.720 You can have immoral, you can have prejudice on immoral bases,

00:12:05.060 but you could also have prejudice that is simply rational and logical

00:12:09.860 and there's no real morality attached to it one way or the other.

00:12:14.760 Do you think that that's fair?

00:12:16.960 Yes, I do.

00:12:18.140 And I think it's a very nice analysis, especially from a religious perspective.

00:12:25.460 You know, Jews are the opposite.

00:12:27.680 They're extremely collectivist.

00:12:29.820 I mean, you see this now in Israel, you know, where the West Bank settlers,

00:12:37.280 the slaughter that they've engaged in in Gaza, women and children, everybody.

00:12:42.280 um you know it's this you know and and i i just wrote a thing on mark levin and mark levin

00:12:50.160 he really wants all all the people in gaza to be murdered yeah he's bloodthirsty he is bloodthirsty

00:12:59.720 and and and you know it was just him that's one thing but he reflects the attitudes i think of

00:13:05.900 the Israeli government, and what, you know, they're sort of right-wing within Israel,

00:13:13.520 and they are dominant.

00:13:15.000 And the American Jewish community is supporting them, AIPAC and all.

00:13:19.940 They are, you know, so this is scary.

00:13:23.440 And, you know, Tucker's way of analyzing this is a losing strategy.

00:13:28.840 I mean, we live in a world of groups, and more so than ever.

00:13:34.040 And, you know, blacks, Latinos, Jews, everybody comes into this country and they're encouraged to adopt an ethnic or religious or some kind of identity.

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00:18:43.880 To me, it seems like one of the ways that we got off the rails in the West is, for one,

00:18:50.280 I think we took for granted that for a fairly decent portion of time, we were largely a

00:18:57.560 homogenous society. You know, I mean, it was 90% white European. And I understand that like,

00:19:03.060 you know, there were some distinctions, like we weren't very excited about the Irish and then we

00:19:06.940 weren't very excited about the Italians, you know, and like, so there were, you know, different

00:19:10.500 pockets along the way that, that came with growing pains and frustrations and tensions. And some of

00:19:15.240 those were ethnic, some of those were actually religious. It wasn't just Italians where, you

00:19:19.220 know, it was, it was Catholics, you know, versus Protestants. And so, and because the Catholics

00:19:23.560 were kind of held at arm's length, you know, initially some of them turned to crime and you

00:19:28.360 have the mob syndicates, you know, in New York and these kinds of things in a similar way that

00:19:32.560 historically Jews who were held at arm's length for various reasons, there were reasons you can

00:19:38.340 agree or disagree with them, but it wasn't arbitrary. There were reasons. And so then they

00:19:42.740 went to money lending, right? If you can't have land and work the land, then you go to, you know,

00:19:46.240 something else, you're splitting the penny a million times and, you know, making your living

00:19:49.620 off of interest and usury and all those kinds of things. But my point is that largely homogenous,

00:19:54.680 yes, Italians, yes, Germans, you know, yes, Englishmen, but largely homogenous in terms

00:19:59.540 of European descent in Western countries, including America for a very long time in

00:20:04.440 which you have the luxury. And I think it was taken for granted. We didn't, we didn't quite

00:20:09.100 recognize why we had that, but you have the luxury in a homogenous society to think more

00:20:14.380 individualistically, to think on the basis of this person, that person, because your country,

00:20:19.180 your nation, your society is one group. So I think that's, when I think of causes for what

00:20:24.360 you're espousing, I would, I would, you know, name that as one of the causes. And the second cause,

00:20:29.620 and this bothers me because we're, you know, I'm a Christian. And in fact, I don't know if you're

00:20:33.160 aware of this, but I actually am a pastor. And so it bothers me, but I want to, I want to own

00:20:38.600 the impetus because I want to lead the way for Christians to repent. You would think, you know,

00:20:43.240 that's kind of a Christian principle, but I think that Christians are actually, the distinct

00:20:49.420 Christian faith of the West is one of the reasons that we've gotten into this problem, because

00:20:55.460 now I think it was a category error, so I don't think that the Bible intrinsically or inherently

00:21:01.600 forces you to think this way, but I think misinterpreted, it does. I think that Christians

00:21:06.940 conflated, if I was kind of what I said earlier, but to put it in a nutshell, Christians conflated

00:21:11.760 the perfect eternal judgment of God, which I do believe is individual with temporal societal

00:21:18.660 national judgments, um, uh, from, from humans. So we conflated the eternal and final judgment of God

00:21:26.940 with a temporal, um, judgments of people. And that is a massive category error. And so in the spirit

00:21:34.820 of Christianity, when, when not thinking in categories and, and not exercising a lot of

00:21:41.320 discernment in the in the spirit of trying to be christian or what we thought was christian right

00:21:46.660 well like what's you know if you were just you know think of one of the core tenets of christianity

00:21:51.300 is it will be like jesus you know and jesus being god that be like god okay well how does god judge

00:21:56.640 well god judge judges um he judges perfectly he judges eternally uh but but there's another aspect

00:22:04.320 of that, God is omniscient. God knows everything. The reason that we make prejudgments, it's not

00:22:11.820 because God is morally perfect and we're fallible. The reason why we make prejudge, and that's the

00:22:17.840 only category of views. We're like, God doesn't do prejudgments, and we do, because he doesn't

00:22:23.560 make prejudgments because he's moral, perfectly moral, and we do because we're immoral. And so

00:22:29.040 then we made prejudice inherently immoral. But there's another category. Maybe God doesn't make

00:22:33.700 prejudgments because not because of morality, but because of omniscience, knowledge. God knows

00:22:38.940 everything and we're finite. So maybe it's less about our fallenness where prejudice steps in

00:22:44.920 and more about our finitude, the fact that we don't know everything. So when I'm meeting someone

00:22:49.880 for the very first time, it's not the immoral impetus of arrogance or hostility. It's actually

00:22:58.120 more the fact that I have nothing to go off of because I'm finite, because I'm not omniscient.

00:23:02.260 And so all I have is those things which are initial and witnessable and visible and apparent, you know, their dress, their ethnicity, their accent, their speech, those kinds of, or if it's on social media, their political affiliation, you know, are they Republican or Democrat?

00:23:21.320 And so I just, I think we got off the rails and sadly, I think one, we took for granted

00:23:28.100 a homogenous society.

00:23:29.480 Two, we tried to live up to our Christian expectations, but we committed a category

00:23:34.380 error and conflated God's perfect, eternal, omniscient judgment as though that was the

00:23:41.580 only standard for any element of judgment from finite creatures in a temporal plane.

00:23:48.320 i that that's part of how i would account for this category here yeah i i i was raised uh catholic

00:23:56.900 and um yeah i mentioned joseph heinrich's book uh called the called the weirdest people in the

00:24:05.060 world weird because we are so unique but he he attributes the catholic church as being

00:24:11.960 the major force in producing individualism and making the West what it is.

00:24:17.880 I don't go that far, but I do think that the Catholic Church had a huge role in Western history.

00:24:24.820 And, of course, now Protestantism.

00:24:27.780 But the point is that we have to understand the role of Christianity.

00:24:34.720 And when you talk about homogeneous society, yes, there were definitely conflicts in American history between Irish and so on.

00:24:43.740 But the fact is we developed a homogeneous society and people, you know, there was 90 percent European and it was a very cohesive society.

00:24:58.740 society it was um became the most powerful society in the world and let's face it it was it was

00:25:08.960 enormous success but the reality is that the jews i mean i have a chapter on jews and immigration

00:25:15.340 policy jews did not like the homogeneity of the west and especially after the 1930s when

00:25:21.480 they saw what happened in germany where you had a homogeneous christian society

00:25:26.380 rise up against the jews and uh you know they saw uh white christians basically as proto-nazis

00:25:35.380 and uh so they felt they would be much safer in a society with a lot of different ethnic groups

00:25:42.860 and and so they very intensely lobbied for uh multi-ethnic multicultural immigration

00:25:50.820 and that's what we have um that makes a lot of sense and yeah and it seems like they play kind

00:25:59.680 of both sides of the field that like you know jews certainly have um more long-standing ties

00:26:05.140 with the political left in in the american context but as you said more recent development

00:26:11.600 in the past decades with neocons on the right but but it does seem that that that um there's still

00:26:18.860 a concert effect, uh, working in tandem that, you know, I, I, I feel like Jewish influence on the

00:26:26.920 political right wages wars that create refugees and Jewish influence on the political left

00:26:33.360 open doors thinking of Toledo, you know, and welcome them into Western countries. And so

00:26:40.480 even though they may sharply politically disagree with one another, you know, um, a Ben Shapiro

00:26:45.920 with, I don't know, whatever, you know, a Chuck Schumer, that the effect still seems, you know,

00:26:55.740 to work out. You were going to say something, Wes. I was going to say from a group kind of

00:27:00.140 evolutionary analysis, a minority acting in that way makes a lot of sense. So if you're a minority

00:27:05.540 in a given country, as the Jews were in Europe, and honestly, you're not liked very much. There's

00:27:10.880 reasons that Europeans hate the Jews. There's reasons Jews hate the Europeans. So you're a

00:27:15.620 minority in a country, multiple countries, you're not liked very much. It would make a lot of sense

00:27:20.440 that if possible, so your high IQ, your high achievement, your in-group preference, that you

00:27:25.260 would leverage those things to say, how can I make this country the most welcoming, the most accepting,

00:27:31.220 the most mobile? How could I be most mobile in this society so I can make life good for me,

00:27:37.480 especially coming from the 20th century? 20th century was not great. Your pogroms, your

00:27:42.200 concentration camps. All these different things happened. So it, of course, makes sense. The 1950s,

00:27:46.960 the 1960s, and the 70s. Neoconservativism on the right. Immigration policy. I believe it was

00:27:52.440 one of the two Hartzeller, the senator and the representative that sponsored the immigration

00:27:57.520 bill. One of them a Jewish, I believe, was Emanuel Hart. It would make sense that both sides,

00:28:02.040 no matter where you place them, they would say, how can we make this country most welcoming? And

00:28:06.280 your title of your book, The Culture of Critique, they were very critical of the WASP, the white

00:28:11.080 Anglo-Saxon Protestant, because the 40s and the 50s and 60s, a lot of institutions were gatekept

00:28:16.920 from Jews. You recount a story of a young Jewish scholar just bristling that there were men's clubs

00:28:22.980 in Columbia and other Ivy League institutions they had no access to. And so they set to work,

00:28:28.440 and it didn't take five years or 10 years. It took multiple generations. But that critique of that

00:28:34.040 culture and taking a sledgehammer to his foundation, sledgehammer to immigration policy,

00:28:38.620 that's the thesis of your book

00:28:40.860 that's what they did

00:28:42.480 and it largely created the situation we have

00:28:45.120 right now where by and large Europeans

00:28:47.260 who once were the majority in America

00:28:49.180 very soon will no longer be

00:28:51.060 yeah

00:28:52.300 yeah they actually lost the battle

00:28:55.240 in 1924

00:28:56.360 1924 immigration law

00:28:59.800 severely restricted immigration

00:29:01.260 and emphasized western Europe

00:29:03.800 Jews took that

00:29:05.800 very personally as an insult

00:29:07.400 And they still have that grudge against white America, by the way, that they were kept out because at the time, the Jews that came in were very, very orthodox.

00:29:21.100 They were either they were very orthodox or very much on the left.

00:29:25.080 Radicals. This is at a time right after the Soviet Union was established.

00:29:28.820 People were very afraid of what was happening.

00:29:31.220 There were some leaking out of the horrifying events in the Soviet Union.

00:29:35.780 And Americans did not want this. And so they restricted immigration. But so 40 years later, they succeeded. And there was a constant effort that entire time establishing, you know, organizations, establishing panels of experts, getting John F. Kennedy to write a book.

00:29:59.620 He didn't actually write it. He put his name on it. Same with Hubert Humphrey. And so it was a full court press on immigration. And, you know, there was a real fear, especially after World War Two, about what could happen in a homogeneous white Christian society.

00:30:18.640 and um so here we are yeah what do you 25 uh sort of reaping the results of that right hey friends

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00:32:34.780 your personal thoughts as someone who has studied uh this subject matter for quite some time

00:32:39.600 and looking at the lay of the land and where we are today do you do you have any hope do you feel

00:32:47.840 like it's over do you like what do uh what do you predict or what do you suspect uh the coming years

00:32:54.980 might look like well we have to keep fighting and and we have to we can't give up um but i do fear

00:33:03.860 what would happen to a white minority population

00:33:08.620 if they really lost power.

00:33:10.620 You see what happened in the Soviet Union

00:33:12.580 when the Russians lost power.

00:33:15.000 You see what happened in Gaza

00:33:17.060 when Jews controlled it completely

00:33:19.680 and they just wiped people out.

00:33:23.720 So it's a very dangerous situation that we are in.

00:33:28.820 And certainly white people will have power

00:33:32.460 or even when they become a minority, but they will have dwindling power.

00:33:38.000 And you're still going to have this Jewish elite.

00:33:40.180 I mean, the thing is, especially in the third edition,

00:33:43.400 I emphasize in the introduction, which is like 100 pages.

00:33:47.040 Excuse me, I get a problem here.

00:33:52.460 That the real story here is the rise of a new elite.

00:33:56.340 If you go back to the beginning of the 20th century,

00:33:58.900 you know this wasp elite centered in the ivyly universities wall street the state department

00:34:04.660 and politics and and uh that is what in many clips you saw a gradual rise of the jews

00:34:14.920 um beginning in the 1920s i suppose you could say but there's a lot of 87 is the 1920s henry

00:34:21.440 ford very famously wrote you know the uh they're born independent and um later in 1930s you had

00:34:32.320 father charles carl coughlin and he was a catholic priest and a huge radio audience and he was

00:34:39.280 railing against the jews and the bankers and all that and but after world war ii anti-semitism

00:34:46.380 just declined to nothing and you saw the rise of the jews in the universities uh even more so in

00:34:52.780 the media uh i mean jews have been in the media since the 19 20s 1910s because the uh new york

00:35:01.900 times was was owned by jews and very specifically it was funded by jacob shepherd one of these very

00:35:07.980 wealthy jews and they got a jewish editor and owner there and the whole point was to it was

00:35:15.260 to help the Jews. And then, you know, NBC was Jewish, CBS was Jewish. And so when I grew up,

00:35:28.020 you had three networks, ABC, CBS, NBC, they were all owned by Jews. And so huge position in media.

00:35:36.500 And that's important because media has influence. We're seeing less influence now,

00:35:43.920 of the legacy media but it certainly has influence and i'm very concerned about larry ellison

00:35:50.740 he was extremely wealthy uh owner of oracle uh more or less he has bought up cbs and more

00:36:02.420 importantly he bought up tiktok correct and he installed barry weiss as head of cbs now barry

00:36:08.480 Weiss, if you know her, she is a fanatic scientist, okay? You're not going to see any criticism of

00:36:13.500 Israel on CBS, and they are going to be gung-ho for any war that might benefit Israel. So the

00:36:21.700 media is still important, and it's still a large inner Jewish ownership. Certainly there's been

00:36:28.840 some good things that have happened, like Elon Musk taking over Twitter and installing a much

00:36:36.760 more free speech regime and uh that's all to be good i'm so sorry um but anyway the point is that

00:36:50.380 uh there's a rise of the jews after world war ii especially in the 1960s i lived through it

00:36:57.560 in the university of wisconsin i was a student there the jews were totally involved jew students

00:37:05.900 who were really called red diaper babies

00:37:08.580 because their parents were communists in the 1930s.

00:37:13.280 And their children in the 1960s

00:37:16.080 became the sort of cutting edge

00:37:19.160 of the radical movement of the 1960s.

00:37:21.640 So I have a chapter on that.

00:37:23.700 But, you know, I lived through it, as I said.

00:37:26.240 It was very striking.

00:37:27.980 I had Jewish roommates.

00:37:29.180 I went to these protests.

00:37:30.680 But it never felt quite right with me.

00:37:32.760 And then afterwards, I gradually moved to more conservative positions.

00:37:38.960 I voted for Gerald Ford, for example.

00:37:41.980 And anyway, that's sort of my story.

00:37:46.140 Yeah.

00:37:47.080 Dr. McDonald, I'll give you a second here and lay the premise, because I want to hear from you on Bolshevism, specifically 1917.

00:37:54.060 The Bolshevik Party with Russia, you had the collapse of basically the last of the Christian emperors.

00:37:59.920 and so discontent among the peasants led to provisional government. I think it lasted just

00:38:04.640 for a short number of years. Then you had different groups vying for power, the Mensheviks,

00:38:08.760 the Bolsheviks, and ultimately, as we know from history, the Bolsheviks were successful in October

00:38:13.740 of 1917. Now, the history of the Bolsheviks is not as simple as to simply say they were all Jews.

00:38:19.840 There's leadership, there's foot soldiers, there's revolutionaries, there's criminals.

00:38:23.660 But what's fascinating, and I think applicable to our time, the Bolsheviks were mostly comprised

00:38:28.520 of non-Russians. So you go into Jewish involvement in the book. We don't have time to get into all

00:38:33.760 of that here, specifically in leadership. What's also fascinating is as you have a natural Russian

00:38:40.740 aristocracy replaced and an uprising of the people that are, they're furious, they're mad,

00:38:46.880 they want regime change. The party that succeeds is not a party homegrown of the people of Russia

00:38:53.100 with a political solution that makes sense for a Russian people.

00:38:57.200 It's outsiders.

00:38:58.560 It's people not native to the land.

00:39:00.880 Those that have come in and said,

00:39:02.700 we'd like a piece of this and we'd like some of that.

00:39:04.780 We think there's ways that this could be improved here.

00:39:07.580 And Jews, largely involved in the leadership of it,

00:39:11.380 coming in and saying, this seems like a great moment.

00:39:14.200 This seems like a great opportunity.

00:39:15.720 The people want this.

00:39:16.980 And a relatively small party in Russia brought about the system

00:39:20.560 that, again, was established forward to 1989, close to 80 years, and untold bloodshed in the

00:39:29.020 millions. But again, don't miss the point. Jews, yes, but also leading, you could say, a multinational,

00:39:35.660 multi-ethnic coalition that was critical of the existing stock, the existing culture, the existing

00:39:43.780 people that were there from the outside, commandeering, taking it over, and then going on

00:39:50.200 to commit probably the worst crimes as far as crimes against a given people that I would say

00:39:56.320 just about we've ever seen in the modern world. And I don't see that as a one-off, that type of

00:40:01.400 resentment, that type of hatred, that type of just anger towards the ruling class. And here's what

00:40:09.920 they did to you. And here's what they've taken from you. We saw some of that just in 2020 with

00:40:15.320 Black Lives Matter. We're going to burn down cities. We're going to shoot cops in the head

00:40:19.720 because they've done this to us.

00:40:22.480 And so I don't think the Bolshevik Revolution,

00:40:24.740 and I would love to hear your thoughts,

00:40:26.320 it's not the first time that ethnic conflict

00:40:28.980 has been or will be exploited

00:40:32.220 towards violence and towards regime change.

00:40:35.680 What do you think of that?

00:40:37.660 That is quite correct.

00:40:38.580 That's exactly my analysis in Chapter 3 of Cultural Critique,

00:40:43.360 that what happened with the Bolshevik Revolution

00:40:46.880 was that a non-Russian ethnic, well, not just one group, but a lot of them,

00:40:53.200 the Jews were certainly very prominent, the most prominent of the other ethnic groups.

00:40:59.680 And they had no mercy.

00:41:01.760 There's hatred towards the Russians.

00:41:04.160 And there's one lesson that comes out of this.

00:41:06.620 You don't want to get in a situation where you are a minority or majority

00:41:13.200 majority that is ruled by a hostile ethnic group.

00:41:19.260 And of course, that's what we have here now, where our elite is hostile towards the people

00:41:24.320 and culture of America, the Christian culture, traditional Christian culture of America,

00:41:29.620 the white homogeneous majority that really was there when I was growing up, really until

00:41:36.180 after the 1965 immigration law and changing gradually after that.

00:41:41.500 But now we've imported, you know, many, many million, 65 million or something.

00:41:47.380 And now we are on the verge of being a minority.

00:41:51.040 If you look at the children, most children are non-white in this country.

00:41:55.720 So we have a huge problem ahead of us.

00:42:00.240 And we have to, you know, as an evolutionist, I don't think human nature is going to change.

00:42:05.180 I think that the hostility, and we already see the hostility toward white people.

00:42:10.160 we're blamed for everything

00:42:12.660 and

00:42:14.420 we're the bad guys

00:42:16.700 of human history

00:42:17.820 and when you have

00:42:20.880 that attitude and it's very widespread

00:42:22.940 and you can see it

00:42:24.540 in places like MSNBC

00:42:26.720 and other

00:42:28.680 major

00:42:31.100 media figures

00:42:31.900 so that's a very scary proposition

00:42:34.800 but yeah they were very

00:42:36.920 committed, they hated the Russians

00:42:38.980 They hated Christianity

00:42:40.760 They loved burning down the churches

00:42:43.320 Or making the churches into reading rooms

00:42:46.160 Or something

00:42:46.720 And then that went on for

00:42:49.520 You know, decades

00:42:51.400 But especially in the first

00:42:53.240 You know, Jews actually lost power

00:42:55.200 In the Soviet Union after World War II

00:42:57.340 They did

00:42:58.600 They started getting pushed out by Russians

00:43:00.380 And then you had

00:43:03.400 The movement of neocons in this country

00:43:05.560 Neoconservants, one of the big

00:43:07.020 issues early on was

00:43:09.000 that Jews were being persecuted in the

00:43:11.000 Soviet Union, can't have that

00:43:12.680 and so they

00:43:14.840 got the

00:43:16.880 bill to allow

00:43:19.100 Jewish emigration from Russia, it was

00:43:20.980 a big deal

00:43:21.680 and

00:43:24.340 so Jews

00:43:27.100 have definitely

00:43:27.800 were involved

00:43:30.880 in the first decades and those are the ones

00:43:33.020 those first decades there were until

00:43:34.940 20 million Russians were murdered

00:43:36.680 think about that 20 million i mean it's mind-boggling to even imagine it because

00:43:42.840 people were just executed summarily uh if you had a bourgeois background

00:43:48.300 you were automatically suspect brutal time they had no problem with group identity so europeans

00:43:57.380 won't think in groups but your enemy if it comes to that in ethnic warfare they will absolutely

00:44:02.580 use categories to bucket you well but i was uh i was a supporter of blm i'm a progressive

00:44:08.820 it's not very likely that that would save you if it came to that point irena who bled out and died

00:44:14.780 alone on a train was a supporter of blm we did not save her right the black man oh oh you're one

00:44:22.660 of the good ones no he he didn't care i want to hear from you uh maybe this is the last movement

00:44:28.360 we'll cover on neoconservatism. Because that switch that happened, a lot of people don't

00:44:33.260 realize, like you said, Jews very prominent. I mean, Karl Marx was Jewish, for one. Others,

00:44:39.180 Joseph Stalin was not Jewish. Jews very represented early on in the Soviet Union. But eventually,

00:44:44.580 like you said, it turned on them. And obviously, Germany and the other European countries,

00:44:49.960 they were not very welcomed as well. And so neoconservatism, it's not as simple. It's not

00:44:55.420 simply for Jews, for Jewish interests, and you get into, in the book, the criteria for examining

00:45:02.380 something as a Jewish interest. It needs to be explicitly for, it needs to have the weight of

00:45:06.480 Jewish organizations behind it. But with the switch to neoconservatism, Jews saw on the left

00:45:13.700 that they were unwelcome. And then what happened in the 60s and 70s is they said,

00:45:18.620 our interests, the protection of Israel, among other things, for the Zionists, that doesn't seem

00:45:23.940 to be in their interest at all. They're not going to protect us. They're not going to look out for

00:45:27.300 us. And so you have this movement and people think, well, Jews and leftist movements, but

00:45:32.440 neoconservatism, I mean, conservatism is right there in it, is also to a movement very much so

00:45:38.260 to advance Jewish interests. And what will often happen in these movements, which you explain well

00:45:43.720 in the book, it won't always be comprised of Jews or even be the majority, but they will have people

00:45:50.260 that are friendly to their interests, serve at the face. And so then when criticism comes,

00:45:54.960 well, it seems like this whole organization exists for Jewish interests. They can say,

00:46:00.580 well, hold on. This Jew is not involved in this movement. And here in this movement,

00:46:05.280 George W. Bush, Nikki Haley, they're not Jewish. They're not advancing Jewish interests.

00:46:10.240 That's one of the ways that criticism is deflected. So if you could, I would love to hear

00:46:15.880 Strauss and Jaffa come to mind, among others, the progenitors and the leaders of neoconservativism,

00:46:22.600 the fathers of it as an idea, their involvement, and then how you would make the best defense.

00:46:29.500 The neoconservativism, in some ways, perhaps not all, is still a very Jewish movement,

00:46:34.800 even despite being on the right. Yes, I mean, and because Jews are only two or three percent

00:46:43.300 of the population. They have to make allies, always have had to. And that's especially true

00:46:47.680 if you're involved in a political movement. You have to try to get, you know, votes ultimately.

00:46:55.680 And so with the neocons, that was always very important. And they, early on, they had people

00:47:02.540 like Jane Kirkpatrick and other people like that. And some of these people really had the same

00:47:11.160 ideas. You know, they

00:47:12.740 strongly back Israel, and maybe

00:47:15.340 for religious reasons, maybe for

00:47:17.540 you know, foreign

00:47:19.240 policy reasons that, you know, it's good for

00:47:21.360 America. But

00:47:22.840 the point is, they

00:47:24.480 are then welcomed

00:47:27.240 into this movement because they're on page

00:47:29.460 with that. And so

00:47:30.880 what the Jews have been very good at

00:47:33.220 is establishing a very elaborate infrastructure.

00:47:36.180 If you have ideas

00:47:37.380 that these people like,

00:47:39.180 You can get a job. You can get a you can work for them, write for them, advocate for them, lobby for them.

00:47:48.560 And they'll welcome you because they need allies. And that's always true in the in the academic world.

00:47:56.440 You know, as soon as Jews really climb the top, the academic world, Ivy League universities and so on,

00:48:03.320 You started to see departments of black studies, of Chicano studies, Latino studies, Jewish studies, Asian studies.

00:48:13.900 These are all allies. They're all on the left and they're on the same page, basically.

00:48:20.720 They're all activists. And so what Jews have always done is recruit other peoples.

00:48:25.940 And you still see that now. They're actually Jewish organizations that reach out to these non-white ethnic groups.

00:48:32.560 and attempt to make alliance.

00:48:35.480 It's not so easy with the Muslims because of what's happened in the Middle East.

00:48:40.060 And you see a lot of conflict there.

00:48:43.540 And the Jews are very concerned about the mayor of New York, Mamdami,

00:48:48.380 because he has made pro-Palestinian statements and that sort of thing.

00:48:54.140 But that's what Jews have to do as a minority group.

00:48:58.200 They have to recruit non-Jews.

00:49:00.720 People like John Bolton have come to mind.

00:49:05.480 But, you know, if you look at the Wall Street Journal editorial page, all these outlets, Fox News, basically, they are neoconservative.

00:49:17.680 And so, you know, Mark Levin is fascinating in this regard.

00:49:21.800 I mean, I used to get bored watching Mark Levin on Fox News on Sunday afternoon or Sunday evening, whatever it was.

00:49:29.560 And he just talked about the Constitution and stuff.

00:49:33.000 He's the most boring guy you ever heard.

00:49:35.600 All of a sudden now with Israel, he is freaking out and screaming at the top of his lungs about everything.

00:49:45.380 It's not it's not the old Mark Levin because he's really involved in his big cause of Israel.

00:49:52.780 And there's nothing else about this country.

00:49:57.300 Yeah, that's how it seems.

00:49:58.880 Go ahead.

00:49:59.560 I was just going to say, and that's kind of the theme of your book, is that any minority group,

00:50:04.040 if they had the intelligence and the social mobility, they would do these things too.

00:50:09.340 That's why Jews have been successful. They are reasonably intelligent. They have

00:50:13.920 a decent amount of social capacity. You mentioned as well, psychological intensity. They have

00:50:19.040 affect, they have emotion, they feel these things deeply. And so any group, if they were capable of

00:50:25.820 it, if Somalians were capable of it, and we see them trying, they would take over and they would

00:50:30.300 have, you know, the American Somalian Congress. Of course, they don't. But you do have a group here,

00:50:35.980 and we just, so much in just reading the book, this is all just objective fact. It's not anti-Semitic

00:50:41.520 to talk about it. It doesn't imply terrible and moral solutions. We do have to say, hey,

00:50:47.260 these group of people, in addition to maybe being American, they've been here for 10 generations.

00:50:51.980 at some level they have an allegiance much more narrow and much more self-inclined to a small

00:50:58.680 group of people and you should be able to say that openly hey people from somalia have interests

00:51:03.940 that align with other people from somalia people uh like we uh we meet for church in a little

00:51:11.100 german town called walberg well there's lots of things that are very german about that town

00:51:16.160 and we would say that there are german descended people with relics of the german homeland that

00:51:21.580 they came from with German food and German beer and German music and German dancing. Those are

00:51:27.180 the things that they love. So why is it then that there's one group in America that similarly have

00:51:33.080 those interests, but they're socially and politically mobile, high intelligence that have

00:51:38.460 been very successful. And that group, we're not allowed to say anything about that dynamic at all.

00:51:43.640 We just simply have to end that taboo. It has to end. We have to be able to say,

00:51:47.260 hey that actually might not be in america's interest and it is being advanced because we

00:51:52.720 know at a certain level you have a biological loyalty to this group of people that's all that

00:51:58.940 that tucker is saying for example he's now seen as a nazi he and candace owens often called nazis

00:52:05.920 now and and uh all he's saying is hey you know i'm critical of the fact that the israel lobby

00:52:11.860 is so influential in American foreign policy.

00:52:15.520 And they talked about the war with Iran recently,

00:52:19.320 but also the Iraq war.

00:52:21.380 And this is the general power that they have in Washington.

00:52:25.980 And that is way too much for these people.

00:52:29.440 So, yeah, we have to combat that.

00:52:31.940 We have to simply state it.

00:52:33.280 We have to try to get the facts right as best we can.

00:52:36.900 and I'm always open for debate

00:52:40.420 and what I say

00:52:43.180 I try to get good sources

00:52:45.000 but it's an uphill struggle

00:52:50.480 and I am kept out of the mainstream media

00:52:54.180 and it really disappoints me

00:52:56.540 that that is the case

00:52:58.400 and I'm sure you might feel the same way

00:53:01.700 but everybody

00:53:02.480 there are lines that are drawn

00:53:05.900 And people dare not cross them without severe consequences.

00:53:10.640 And this is, you know, talking about the Jews is way up there

00:53:15.440 because you're talking about an elite group in the society, well-funded,

00:53:20.580 and they fund all their interests and projects,

00:53:27.140 the infrastructure, the neoconservatives, the left, and much else.

00:53:35.080 So a powerful group, and we have to be able to talk about them.

00:53:39.460 Just to give one more plug for your book, I was going to say,

00:53:42.820 over 600 pages, The Culture of Critique, third edition, very well footnoted.

00:53:47.340 This is a well-documented, well-researched book.

00:53:49.720 I think the last 60 pages of it are references,

00:53:52.560 and most of it you're often citing Jews in their own words.

00:53:55.400 So just to say you've done a great job of going through,

00:53:58.400 here's their own words, here's what they've said,

00:54:00.600 make a conclusion for yourself.

00:54:02.700 Yeah, well done.

00:54:03.620 Well, thank you so much for coming on the show.

00:54:05.800 We really appreciate it.

00:54:07.440 And is there any way that our listeners could follow you and keep up with your work?

00:54:13.400 Yeah.

00:54:15.140 I write on Oxlant Observer, the Oxlant Observer.net, and of course, my book, The Culture of Critique.

00:54:22.820 I also edit the Oxlant Quarterly, which is more academic type articles.

00:54:29.760 But there's a big focus on Jewish issues, obviously, everything I do.

00:54:33.620 anyway okay again i apologize for my physical state i didn't realize it's going to be this bad

00:54:39.920 yeah no it's okay we can do it again sometime okay well thank you for coming on the show we

00:54:46.580 really appreciate it and thank you to all the listeners for tuning in and we will see you lord

00:54:51.500 willing on friday thank you

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