THE LIVESTREAM - The Dark Knights Of Christendom
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If you're going to build a movement, you need your radicals. Like Batman taking the fall for Harvey Dent, these radicals can be the bad guys acting as scapegoats by preaching uncomfortable truths and pushing the Overton window to provide cover for pastors, politicians, and leaders who run the risk of reprisal from their institutions.
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If you're going to build a movement, you're going to need your radicals.
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Like Batman taking the fall for Harvey Dent, these radicals can be the bad guys acting as scapegoats
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by preaching uncomfortable truths and pushing the Overton window to provide cover for pastors,
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politicians, and leaders who run the risk of reprisal from their institutions. If we are
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going to win, we can't afford to be idealists or compromisers. We are going to have to be shrewd
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and calculating. Tune in now as we discuss why every movement needs its radicals, but also
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And, you know, Saddam Hussein, Hitler, Vladimir Putin, Hitler, Donald Trump, Hitler, right?
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That's the only moral framework that we have that is operable.
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So the moment that a young man crosses the aisle and the don't-believe-your-lying-eyes rhetoric doesn't work any longer,
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and he's just noticed too much because it really is that blatantly obvious, and he crosses the aisle,
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well, the moment he crosses the aisle, there's no reasonable, wise, mature leader over there.
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You would just have the guys on the TV telling them, this is what the Bible says.
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On the radio, the Christian radio stations, you'd only hear those guys preaching that particular thing.
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When that is actually, when you look at all of church history, that's the minority view, a tiny minority view.
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The rest of theological history in the church is the kind of stuff that we're saying.
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all right welcome back to another wednesday live stream good afternoon ga normally we'd have to
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apologize for referencing a comic book in the title of the movie in the cold open here's the
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deal though older than 10 years so it hasn't been made in the last 10 years and we don't make dc
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it's not marvel well see that's the thing i was gonna say this is nothing for me because i uh i
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did some series with isker and it wasn't the one on israel but i i it was the bonifist one and uh
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it was with isker and ad rogless and i quoted uh marvel oh and they both just looked at me like
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like uh like their faces i could see before my eyes as we were recording
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morphed into the guy from uganda like why are you gay
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like and i was like i yeah they're like yeah it's got to be a better example you could share
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just anything ghostbusters i don't know uh no so the dark nights of christendom i don't want to
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push the metaphor metaphor too far but uh think about christopher nolan's dark night so in the
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movie you have a city riddled with crime in the underworld and the institutions that are in place
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your crime units your detectives your police force all these things they're not sufficient
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to handle it through the normal mechanisms or they're even involved or they're even involved
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they're either corrupt they're not involved they're turning a blind eye and so batman doesn't
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appear on the scene because everything is running perfectly smooth right subways on time criminals
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are locked up no batman is the necessary thing that comes about when all the systems and the
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structures and the fail safes that are in place that's what it was i said uh excuse me but i i
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made the critical crucial mistake i used thanos and i said i am inevitable yeah so much better
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to use batman um now of course the haters are going to be watching and they're like you guys
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are arguing over which cartoon is less is less childish we're not referencing star wars that's
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true honestly the hardest thing about liking star wars is having to tell your dad you're gay yeah
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you know like that's i'm just gonna tell my kids there's six movies but dad doesn't do these things
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the new hope no son those don't exist they've never been made you not they don't exist hey
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real quick uh john dupree good to see you he's in the chat um and then also i wanted to say uh
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give us give us a quick like on the video give us a quick like leave a comment uh on the chat
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to boost the algorithm get it out to as many people as possible um and oh somebody said uh
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mj naples said is joel osteen the joker oh this one's gonna hurt guys but um right now in 2020
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24 the abolitionists are the joke i love our abolitionist brothers and sisters in christ
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uh they're radicals exactly well and here and here's the thing that's why um i you know initially
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i came out i think a little stronger than i should have uh on on x with some of the abolitionists
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and then i've done my best with uh guys who i think are not just good brothers in christ but
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probably um if i had to bet i i think probably better uh better men than me like ben zaisaloff
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um i think of david reese um i think of james silberman dusty deaver like there's a there's
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a bunch of guys um jacob miller who is um a wonderful member in our church great guys
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who are pushing the overton and are simply saying look these um we believe this is the
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biblical standard and we can't compromise now i i disagree in the application i agree on the
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standard. I disagree on the application of the standard as we seek to apply it to a federal
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presidential election, a general election. So not the primaries, Exodus 18, bring us your best guys
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that meet the standard. But we're talking about a general election. One of these two people is
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going to be president. And I think there's an obligation, a civil duty as Christians to love
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our neighbors by saying we're going to ward off the maximum damage. We're going to try to ward
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off maximum destruction um and so uh and they would disagree with me and say well that's how
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you keep getting worse and worse candidates right if you always pick the lesser of two evils then
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you're basically saying to the gop um that uh as long as they're uh an inch to the right of
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of you know the the communists the democrat um then they'll always have your vote so i understand
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their position and their position like if we took a stand you know god can win by many or by few and
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who knows in 20 to 50 years, God could radically change our nation. My opinion is that in not 20
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to 50, but in four years, I just talked to somebody who works at the border, border security
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a couple of days ago. And he said that the numbers are way lower, that it's easily 35 to 40 million.
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Wow. And so their position is in 20 to 50 years, if we just didn't compromise and held the GOP,
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their feet to the fire didn't give them our vote um then we would get uh uh you know a uh you know
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christian abolitionist uh presidential candidate and my position is that uh in four years we won't
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have a country we'll never win a single election ever again and uh in addition to abortion um you
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will also have um you also have military aged men 13 000 of them i think have uh uh 13 700
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And then more that were criminals that crossed the border
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And so we literally let murderers into the country.
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So for me, right now, it's a vote between abortion.
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It's not like abortion and then Trump is, you know,
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One is with Trump, it's abortion and only abortion.
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yep so so agree with the whole thing but there's a narrow sliver of application
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like praise god for the the brave representative senators that go up to the senate go up to the
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house and they put a bill in and it says you will treat every unborn child as bearing the image of
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god with equal equal protection and more and more of those bills praise god they are being submitted
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and because of the work of abolitionists and that's the point is is uh conservatives part
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other reason we lose is because um we're always finding ways uh before we even come out to the
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battlefront to kill off half of our army before we even get there um what what does the left do
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with their radicals they find ways to get them elected aoc has been an elected official for how
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long six to eight years at this point yeah since she was like 14 you know like uh you know and
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bernie sanders bernie sanders forever like straight up socialist yeah like and he's you'll
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never see obama distancing himself right you see talking heads like well we don't want to be on
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board with they'll take the vote they'll be happy to have them right turn the blind eye yeah exactly
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and that's the thing so it's it's there is a gosh i i hate this because i always think of tim keller
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and his compromise but there is a third way here um you don't have to uh when we say uh don't uh
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don't counter don't don't shoot your own that doesn't mean that you have to publicly herald
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them and esteem them yes um there are plenty of of you know democrats that have more social
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capital um that would you know be um very intentional not to share the stage with um
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some of the the most radical players on the field in their party um but but what they also won't do
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by publicly dismantling those guys, right?
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the natural instinct of conservatives is to see this guy is right now getting a bunch of exposure
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and a lot of it is negative and i need to publicly uh join the mob in in denouncing
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yeah you know it's like well what what if he just was quoting deuteronomy uh doesn't matter
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sounds pretty hypothetical no this would never happen you know but uh it doesn't matter it
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doesn't matter even if he's quoting scripture then i have to say he quoted it the wrong way or
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he quoted it with the wrong tone or he and all of a sudden like a a full-grown as far as we can tell
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you know physically um you know in terms of um autonomy or um anatomy a male immediately reverts
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into like a 35 year old soccer mom yeah you know and like well i didn't i don't like your tone you
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know and and uh and it's like how does this happen and the answer is um that's republicans that's
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conservatives that's the way right that's the way we function the left elects its radicals the right
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cancels them the right cancels them yep and we don't we don't use them so all real quick just
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back to um the abolitionists my point is that um i think the abolitionists are an integral piece
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um that they're they're they're partners in the war and and even beyond that they're brothers in
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christ uh that i i believe are worthy of our love and our respect and you can disagree with their
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particular strategy in this particular election but what i've tried to do and again at first i
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came out pretty hot but that was at this point probably four or five you know months ago and
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what I've done since then is I did a public debate that went above and beyond to be charitable and
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kind with Ben Zysloff. Did the same thing with David Reese, with Dusty Devers multiple times,
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pick up the phone and just call him and keep our relationship strong. James Silberman, I've
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messaged him offline, telling him how much I appreciate him. Jacob Miller in our church. And so
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what i'm trying to do is remember that you know november 5th will come and go and um and and
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we're going to need these guys these these are some of our because these are the kind of here's
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the thing the abolitionist uh when i was going viral over the last week and getting you know
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death threats and um my my phone just constantly ringing people we're coming for you um you know
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like uh you know who who um you know who didn't retweet me uh calling me a monster abolitionists
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yeah abolitionists were perfectly comfortable with the law word of god in deuteronomy that if
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someone falsely accuses someone then whatever the penalty and is found to be uh lying then whatever
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the penalty would have been for the alleged um oppressor uh that then that penalty falls on the
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the fake victim instead the abolitionists are no strangers right to that kind of courage that kind
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of controversy and um and the abolitionists were the ones um who were immediately in my corner
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and uh and they're they're worthy of my my public honor so i i honor you guys who did that thank you
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yeah and so the point is you need the radicals to again just go back to the movie you have harvey
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dent who is looking to be and you can tell at one point that uh bruce wayne is looking at him
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he could be the new face of it i've cleaned up the underworld in many ways uh maybe he could be the
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face of it and we could get back to this respectability harvey obviously leans into the
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grief and the revenge and he kills five people kills two cops but batman is the one that takes
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the fall for him and he says my point is always to serve the city and if right now what the city
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needs is someone like this who can keep the credibility of the institutions going who can
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keep things running if that's the service if that's who you need me to be then i can do it
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And so every movement, you survey the lot of it, you'll have 80%, we'll get to them in the second segment, their company men, their institution, their police commissioners like Gordon.
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Gordon isn't putting on a cape as police commissioner and beating up people with no due cause.
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But when things get to a certain point, you need someone who can take the fall, who can say the things that need to be said, to even skirt the rules and skirt the traditional way of doing things.
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And so Saul Alinsky, he was a radical Jewish leftist, but he wrote Rules for Radicals.
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And his point in all of that is you need these people because they're going to be courageous.
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Obviously, he's a leftist, so he's pushing leftist ideals.
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But they won, so maybe we should learn a little bit from them.
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In the same way, if we want to move things right, you're going to shift the Overton
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window over, you're going to need people that can, we were talking about this, we can get
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into it, people who can and who will. So they have the means and they have the courage to say
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the things like you did to apply the word of God, to say the Bible actually says this about women
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being quiet and peaceable and dignified. The Bible says this about false accusations of justice.
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Here's how it would look in our current day. And maybe you can't align with that. You're talking
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about those who came to your fence. Maybe if you're a state senator, maybe if you're a big
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media talking head you just can't positively retweet share all those things uh but at the
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same time you've got to give the radicals their due because they're the ones that are pushing
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the conversation give them their due or at minimum just don't uh don't don't join in
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in publicly destroying them go ahead i i want to take a devil's advocate perspective here for a
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minute because there's a lot of people who will say we want society to be different
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right we you look around and you see what's going on with society and you know there's a problem i
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don't think there's a conservative christian out there who wouldn't look around and say we
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there are are tremendous serious ghastly problems that we're dealing with as a church as a nation
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it's widespread it's a cancer that is not just moving quickly but it's metastasized and spread
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through the whole body right so we would look at this and we would say there is a problem there's
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a serious problem and i sympathize with this view because my natural inclination is to have this view
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and i have to push against it it is to say well but surely we don't need drastic measures right
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to course correct right surely the ship the ship is about to plow straight into the harbor at full
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steam but we can just do two degrees to starboard right or we can just you know we can but so so my
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point is, we are at the point in the evangelical church, in our society, in our nation, where
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And we will not course correct with the same institutional approach that got us into this
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It's not just that we've been coasting kind of in an okay direction, we just haven't been
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able to make any headway to the right or towards more faithful Christianity.
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We've been moving the opposite direction under the rudder of the institutions that we've been following.
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And so the respectable, traditional, you know, whatever you want to call that sort of normal, civilized approach to the situation that we're in is not cutting it.
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And we need people who will drag us in the opposite direction.
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And the thing is, there's a lot of us who will look at the people like Joel, like others that we're going to mention here in a minute, and we'll say, I'm glad they're doing it.
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I just hope that I don't have to have an opinion on the subject.
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Real quick, I wanted to read a couple tweets that I sent to you guys that I put out a couple days ago, because I think it helps articulate the overarching principle.
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And then what we're going to do is in the second segment, we want to get into not just talking about this ministry, but talking about some other guys that we feel like play this role well and are worthy of your prayer and your support if you're able to do it.
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if you're somebody who has some kind of insulation where you can publicly support them without
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losing your livelihood. And then for many, even if you're in a situation where you have to be
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careful in terms of your public profile, guys who are still worthy of your prayer and your
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financial support. Because ultimately, all these guys that we're going to list, and there's not
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many of them but we're going to list a few of the best um they um they're they're all they're all
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uh husbands and fathers like they cannot um they can't do this uh if it if it means not being able
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to feed their children so the only thing that allows guys to to play the heel uh to play the
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dark knight you know role um is uh being you know at a practical level is being financially insulated
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um and there's you know there's different methods of going about that in the province of god and
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what what god orchestrates in your life you know like like you know to to stretch the analogy a
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little bit further um part of the reason you know batman was able to do what he was able to do right
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is because he was a billionaire yeah like that helps right you know like i mean his superpower
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was um was being rich i mean that's that's you know and i think it's a little bit beyond that
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He worked really hard, all those kinds of things.
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But it's not a coincidence that Batman didn't turn out to be a single 24-year-old dude who
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He turned out to be somebody who was extremely wealthy.
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He was financially independent, independently wealthy.
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And that afforded him the ability to do what he did.
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And there's different ways of being independently wealthy where you're not relying on some major Fortune 500 company to ultimately send you a check every other week to pay your mortgage and for groceries for your kids to be able to eat.
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a guy who works at some woke company, and most companies are woke, he is not going to be able
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to do the things that some of these guys are doing. And so, anyways, I wrote the following.
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I know my approach often gets me in trouble. Believe it or not, I'm really not trying to
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self-sabotage. I'm simply trying to accept my assignment and play my part faithfully for the
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glory of Christ and the advancement of his kingdom. There are plenty of guys who are actually
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super-based, very courageous, much more than they publicly reveal. However, they are company men,
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and that's not inherently a bad thing. I don't mean that as an insult, not in this context.
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Look, if we want to win, we can't just abandon every institution. Someone has to strategically
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fight for the winnable institutions. Some institutions do need to be abandoned,
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but some are winnable. For example, I put OPC, PCA, SBC, etc. And they need to be able to fight
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for these winnable institutions from the inside. I have nothing but respect for these men. I just
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accepted years ago that I'm not that guy. I don't have an official seminary degree, never claimed
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to, and I've never been a part of an official denomination, even as a child. My dad was a pastor,
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The closest I got was being a part of a couple, you know, church networks.
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We left in 2018 because it was woke, so I pulled the church out.
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But that's the closest I've gotten to institutionalized, you know, and in other words, that's not very close.
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I'm independent, and only because of the incredible generosity of so many of you financially supporting Right Response Ministries and, I would also say, our local church.
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can I afford to play the heel, a.k.a. the Dark Knight of Christendom. But this is the key.
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The good guys who are company men who need to keep their hands clean, which is completely
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respectable and permissible to do, are not obligated to join the heels when they're getting
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dragged by millions of people on the internet. I will always sympathize and respect my brother's
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decision on this. So this last week, just so you guys know, not once was I thinking,
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I realize that that is outside of the Overton window
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and where it currently is in the current discourse,
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because they know that I was ultimately quoting scripture,
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but that clip went so viral and got so many views.
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and we're all fighting on the conference circuit
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to, you know, who's going to get, you know, the total market share of 8,000 people coming to
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their conference, you know, like, whoa, you know, big deal. And meanwhile, you know, Charlie Kirk
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with TPUSA is like chuckling, you know, laughing, like, that's cute, you know, and Tucker Carlson.
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Yeah, exactly. And so that, you know, what we're trying to do, just for the record, is beyond just
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the Reformed world. That is our tradition theologically and historically. We love our
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Reformed Fathers. We are confessionally Reformed, but even now, I'm doing everything that I can to
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partner and reach out to a lot of solid guys who are outside the Reformed tradition, and some of
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them, not many, it would be about a minority, but some of them are even outside the Protestant
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tradition. I think of Charles Haywood. Talk about a dark knight. He's one of the ones that we can,
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you know, the soap baron, you know, like he's independently wealthy, made a massive, you know,
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shampoo company uh in the as a distributor and then was able to sell it and now um can say
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whatever he wants with impunity and he does and here's the thing um he could say anything he wants
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and and yet he still is self-controlled and he's not unhinged he's intense he's he's shocking for
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your average norming um the worthy house by the way check him out we've had him on the show a
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times and of course the reformed guys get mad but you had uh because he's eastern orthodox yeah you
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had an eastern orthodox yeah uh what did i have him on the show to do to talk about justification
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by faith right no no i had him on the show to talk about politics i'd like to have more reformed guys
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but guess what all the reformed guys have spurned and cast off completely the political theology of
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all the reformed fathers so sorry i have to go outside of the reformed tradition if i'm talking
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to people who are currently alive because within the reformed tradition of people currently alive
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all the currently living reformed guys hate reformed political theology right yeah that's
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not my fault i didn't make that decision you know so anyways charles haywood is you know he's one of
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the good ones so the good guys who are company men uh which is not inherently a bad thing they
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need to keep their hands clean they did not come to my rescue this last week and um and that is
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perfectly understandable, perfectly understandable. Some of these guys, they've got a job. If they
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had retweeted that, they would have risked being fired. They can't do it. And this is the thing,
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there's a difference between our radicals and ideologues. What we're not advocating, even I,
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believe it or not, you think I'm radical, I'm not an ideologue.
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Joel, you should explain the difference between those two real quick.
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okay um so so an ideologue is somebody who it's kind of a one-size-fits-all an overgeneralization
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with uh regardless of the circumstances so whatever god providentially puts in our path
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no matter what it is it's um it's always got to be um it's always got to be the the same kind of
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solution i'm going to stick to this no matter what and if anything changes um you know it doesn't
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matter uh the ideologue is often um what i think it was francis who you know beautiful losers
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um the guy who it's literally a book uh i think oh um uh you mean uh that's schaefer no no no no
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no the there's a guy you'll have to deep end a little bit yeah probably um but francis chan
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no no no no no no no no no that's uh no it's it's not a pastor it's a political guy he wrote he wrote
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a book called uh beautiful losers i want to say sam francis but um isn't that who's i i'm going
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way um so anyways but uh the point is like um the going back to abolitionism um that that is one
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that would be an example of where i'm not uh what i would consider um to be ideological um that you
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know the idea i ideologic uh ideological um mentalities uh often is a one-size-fits-all
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so like like for instance and i bought into some of this um two three years ago um where i i was
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coming out of of you know some of my my normie apathy and uh and and and then what you do is you
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think um this is it this is the ticket i remember thinking eschatology yeah um so you know like a
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lot of us you guys who follow this ministry it probably a lot of you had had the same idea and
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you a lot of you probably got it from me um you know and it wasn't unique to me i got it from
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doug wilson from others you know from um guys like brian silvey and all and it's like you know
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here's the ticket. The problem is dispensational premillennialism. And that's really everything
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can be faulted there. Everything can be tracked back to dispensational premillennialism. The
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world, Jesus is going to come back next Thursday, and things are destined by God to get worse and
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worse until he does come back. And the only thing that has really any value in kind of working as
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a catalyst to speed up the return of Christ is global missions. So we're not going to leave an
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inheritance to our children. We're going to give it to David Platt instead. And we're going to sell
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our house and not have a mortgage and not build any wealth. And we're actually going to, in many
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ways, distance ourselves from political power, from institutional power, from money, from all
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these different things. And just be a, instead of a tax farm, we'll be a tithe farm for global
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missions. Meanwhile, our own nation is becoming increasingly atheist. And I think it is true.
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That still rings true. I can say, yeah, a lot of what happened in America in its downgrade,
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which has happened before World War II, just for the record. But since World War II,
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I think there was an even further expediting of this downward spiral, this denigration.
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and i think a big part of it was uh after two world wars a lot of guys came back and there is
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no god yeah there can't be this much suffering in the in the world um and and if there is a god
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um it's the disby premillennial one it's that god it's the one where things get worse and worse and
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then jesus finally comes back in the bottom of the ninth and saves the day as the church is on
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the ropes about to tap out and um it's if there's any god that exists at all is that god and so a
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lot of people and so from the 1940s onward for the last 80 years especially the last 60 years
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um that's where we've been but here's my point um i then took that and there's a lot of truth in it
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but i tried to make it a dogma an absolute truth so the only good guys are post-millennial you know
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um the only answer to all of our problems is just having the right eschatology it's a single
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variable analysis of all things exactly and then but then come to find out as i you know stepped
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into that post-millennial world, and just for the record, to put everybody at ease, I have no
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intention of leaving. I really am, because I really became convinced of it exegetically from
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the biblical text. So I am post-millennial, and I'm not ashamed of it, but here's what I
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realized. At first, it was like, oh my goodness, this is the golden ticket. Run home, Charlie.
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And then I realized a couple years in, oh, you can be post-millennial and still be just as
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apathetic. So instead of Jesus coming back next Thursday, therefore, I don't really need to do
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anything except for personal evangelism. Jesus is now coming back 50,000 years from now.
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But in terms of on the ground, the way that that applies is actually, you know, corporate needs you
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to tell the difference between these two pictures. It's the same picture in terms of practical day-to-day
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living. How you live if everything's going to burn and Jesus is coming back next week
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and it's not supposed to get better versus how you live if everything's going to get better but
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50,000 years from now. And, you know, and it's basically the same. That's the way you live is
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the same. It can be. It can be. And so my point is, that's a good example of ideology. I think
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abolitionism can be ideological. Some of those guys are not that way. Some of them are. That
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would be the difference of guys who would wear the moniker, like me, or A.D. Robles, or Andrew
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risker or um you know some of the organ guys that would say yeah like like we are abolitionists in
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the sense that we believe in equal weights and equal measures um we we believe there should be
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just bills uh that is you know you can't say well you can murder your baby on wednesday but not on
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thursday um we believe in equal protections so we we do believe uh that that the woman who chooses
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to murder her child um that she should uh receive capital punishment that that's a just law and any
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man in her life a father or a husband or a boyfriend or whatever that coerces her um in that
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he too would receive uh the death penalty and so that that is our position um but um where does it
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apply it's like um it's like whack-a-mole you know uh like uh uh where it's it's just the you know or
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not even whack-a-mole but like if if all you have is a hammer everything looks like a nail
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so it's like i think abolitionism is true um i don't uh i don't think um on november 5th
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i'm not thinking i'm an abolitionist i i'm and i'm also not thinking on no november 5th um
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i'm post-millennial i'm thinking on november 5th as most days of my life um i'm a christian
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it's it's much broader and not this narrow ideological dogma that uh is a one-size-fits-all
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but I'm not always pushing the edge with a hammer.
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Christianity is a rich faith and applying all those things.
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I was just gonna say, I was in the military for four years.
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is we've used the idea of a beachhead before you can imagine the enemy's position the enemy's
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strength as a beachhead and you have a landing force your main landing force 40 50 000 people
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strong that's that's where the main firepower is you're not going to send you know some seals in
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there whatever but there's different stages of your advanced force there's even a concept in
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the military not a concept but an actual thing called deniable operations there are guys that
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are so top secret that you send them in and if they die or they get captured the united states
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government they would deny that they exist and you would have a group like the navy seals which
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the government would not would acknowledge but they're not landing on the beach with the main
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force they're not tasked with the whole big mission then you have a you know a broader more
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advanced force which would be like rangers or marine force recon and then you have the actual
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landing force the big guns your artillery the navy and everything like that and so it could be
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helpful sometimes to think of different groups and different guys in those type of categories
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the main force is going to be the one that demolishes the enemy in the final analysis
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But before you're landing the main force, you're prepping the area.
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You're doing all of these things ahead of time at different scale with different groups.
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Some of them you're not even acknowledging they exist.
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All of them preparing the way so that, for example, it's time to come against the idea of racism.
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There's guys that have been laying the groundwork for like eight years.
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Hey, this idea of racism comes from critical race theory, which is a very secular and progressive origin.
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those guys got castigated for it they were small they didn't have support some of them i don't even
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know that they exist but but by the time that they'd done enough work a group like the daily
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wire normally conservative makes a documentary that is the top 40 grossing documentary of all
00:37:54.880
time right that movie could not come have come out five years ago in 2019 they would have lost
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subscribers people would not have gone to see it daily wire has gone too far instead they put it
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out at the right time made millions of dollars tons of people saw it and it changed the conversation
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like hey hang on maybe we have been guilted a little bit by this but the point is that all
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these different stages you have groups that are preparing the landing uh for the main force we've
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talked about this with you know mainstream evangelicalism whatever it is that actually
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have the firepower that are going to do most damage and i guess i will add something there
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Wes and that is people who don't realize that we are in that sort of war are the ones who get
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really nervous about some of those recon people or the seals or the black ops and so either you
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don't realize that we're in a war of that nature right now for the soul of our nation and the
00:38:52.360
evangelical church in the west or you don't think that there's anything that can be done apart from
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praying and fasting exactly right and so if that's you you don't realize that we're in this kind of a
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war or you're convinced that nothing that we do matters anyway then yes of course you're going to
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be very very nervous about all of this right on the other hand if you believe that god has given
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us means no one's perfect no one has a crystal ball no one knows exactly what's around the corner
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but God has given us means, and that it's noble and honorable to fight for our faith and for our
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nation, then yes, some people are going to have to be out in front, and some people are not.
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Right. Yeah, not everybody's going to be out front, but everybody who's a part of the team
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should appreciate the guys who are out front. The guys who are out front are already going to get
00:39:40.760
plenty of vitriol and pushback. The last thing they need is their own team shooting them in
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the back ending rope to the enemy you caught some spies we'll help you hang them right well
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my god yeah exactly and so like that's yeah on on the wokeness thing real quick am i racist with
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matt walsh um just to to name a couple guys worthy of honor ady robles and john harris yeah um led
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led the way with that like so like meg basham you know shepherds for uh shepherds for sale um
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i i enjoyed um her book best uh the first time i read it when john harris wrote it
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years ahead of time right and here's the thing like um you need a john harris so that one day
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um a suburban blonde uh mom can uh can take down all the big daily wire ties yeah with
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institutional ties exactly um so you're gonna have a blonde haired suburban mom
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um with ties to the daily wire take down single-handedly
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seemingly single-handedly take down um all the big eva right making a mockery of jd greer making
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a mockery of all these different guys the ortlands and praise the ortlands and praise god for it i'm
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on the sidelines just watching it's glorious i love it however um my deepest appreciation will
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always go to uh 80 robles and john harris yeah the guys who did it first um i've said this so
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many times but it i think it it merits saying it again um israel always killed the prophets
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but they didn't kill the prophets for being right they killed the prophets for being first
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and it's like what do you mean uh no they killed him because they disagreed with the truth that
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they were speaking um they they killed him because they were right um well that truth that they were
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speaking all of of the people who killed those prophets all of their sons generations down the
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line all claimed to love that truth right they built tombs to honor the prophets of course of
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course jeremiah was a prophet of course he spoke the truth we you know and uh we we agree with him
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100 um eventually that's how it always works that's how it always works anytime something
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changes politically culturally anytime there's big change eventually what'll happen is is when
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you know you have victory when um when people well you know you have victory when conservatives
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or when i should say progressives feel the way conservatives feel right now how do conservatives
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feel right now scared i can't say that that's what we want right but in the other direction
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right right like somebody said like the other day he was uh you know on on x you know he's
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sodomite and uh it was like well i i'm for freedom and blah blah blah and i said well
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uh and he's like my uh my ancestors have been here since the revolutionary war and they fought
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for my freedom i said um i guarantee you not one of your ancestors died uh for you to have the
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freedom of having butt sex with another dude that's number one and secondly though i saw you
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know in in the comments with other guys and then i just you know that was enough i gave i dropped my
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bomb and got out um but with other guys i saw uh people saying like well um if you know because
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they were christian nationalists talking about like this is what we envision for a god-fearing
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country that would be good for all people even non-christians would fare better um and and he
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was like it wouldn't be better um it wouldn't be better for me right uh what what would be uh what
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would happen to me and somebody said on it and it was so wise and and truthful and wise and good
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He said, what would happen to you is that you would have to go back into the closet, and you could maintain your filthy, degenerate habit privately in darkness and secret, but with a shame, knowing that if you come out into the public sphere with that, that you would receive certain penalties, cultural penalties, and by God's grace, eventually, civil penalties.
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yeah you're not going into people's homes it's not the thought police the secret it's not a
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minority report you know with uh tom cruise like trying to predict a crime before it happens or
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find a secret but what you are saying is um uh public parades right parades in in new york city
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with guys shaking their genitals in the faces of children yeah yeah that one that one uh you're
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going to jail yep of course you're going to jail but that is like and i pray for that day and any
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christian who doesn't pray for that day and as the whole point of this episode work in practical ways
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towards that day either as a company man kind of behind the scenes a little bit or as a dark night
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radical um if if you're a christian you're not praying and working toward that day um then
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And at best, you're an immature believer that doesn't really understand the Scripture and its application.
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So all this means that whether it's wokeness, John Harris and A.D. Robles fought the good fight.
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And it was guys like them, they weren't the only ones, but they were very few, very few.
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And I remember thinking, man, I remember feeling embarrassed.
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you know and little did i know you know that uh what i didn't count and here's the reality i was
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late and i think a lot of that shame was good i i was like i had a sneaking suspicion sooner and i
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should have been more educated sooner so i really was late and some of the shame i i felt i think
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actually was holy spirit wrought conviction um the only reason it doesn't look as bad now is not
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because i didn't really make a mistake not because i really wasn't late um i only look decent by
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comparison because you can always count on 99 of evangelicals being worse you know that's the only
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reason joel looks like a hero you know is um because because the lay of the land is just in
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such poor shape so anyways yeah you need you need your radicals and those are guys worthy of support
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seriously not not just us but um you guys should you should consider um right now if you're listening
00:46:30.760
you should consider going and making a donation uh to john harris go to conversations that matter
00:46:35.820
or go to truth script that's his organization that him and uh his brother david harris are
00:46:40.700
trying to get off the ground um you should get behind those guys it's like well i don't know
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if they're really making i don't know if true script is making uh that much headway um well
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i'll tell you what it is doing uh true script is um is paving the way so that uh so that the daily
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wire five to eight years later can go and uh and drop 40 50 000 soldiers on the beach and and take
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it out like you you don't we we do not yet realize the importance of the beachhead we don't yet
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realize the importance of your first you know the first soldiers that you send onto the field
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because if no one's first then no one will come at all the reason why the prophets were killed
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back to that it's not because they were right because later on that became common knowledge
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in israel of course isaiah is right of course jeremiah is right we never would have said he
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was wrong yeah you would how and this is how you know um everybody who's like uh we would have we
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would have stood up against the transatlantic slave trade right um well did uh have you are
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you standing up right now against anti-white discrimination right on the books in our
00:47:49.860
universities uh because if you're not you would have been um you would have been for slavery i
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was going to say you'd be a slave owner but honestly you probably wouldn't because most of
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the slave owners were successful and you'd probably be a loser and wouldn't be able to
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you know to force it but you would have been for slavery guaranteed if you're not standing up now
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you wouldn't have stood up then that's jesus's point yeah that's what he those are the words
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of christ metric that's what he says is your father's killed the prophets and how do i know
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that you would have joined them if you live back then and killing jeremiah and isaiah because
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you're trying to now kill me yep and so that's what generations always do charles spurgeon the
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downgrade controversy he was censured by his denomination a vote of something like 1004 to 5
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because he raised the alarm about hey when we do missions we can't downgrade our theology just you
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know build a church build a school and so about it was five votes including his own brother against
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him five to 1000 about at the end of his life so well five no smaller it would be uh like half of
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a percent half of a percent so half a percent sided with him and then 99 and a half percent
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sided against so just take the lay of the land all right apply that to current baptists if anything
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the vote would be even worse now i'll be way worse but we love charles spurgeon and rightfully so
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I think of Aslan, the Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe.
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and good men are never safe truly good men are masculine men and and and true godly biblical
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masculinity is not safe it's good it's honest it's virtuous but it's also in in every right
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sense of the term dangerous it's righteously dangerous now you can though cowards can
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appreciate good men once one significant factor comes into play um once they've been safely buried
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six feet under dirt right because then that good man is now safe and that's why people love charles
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spurgeon if charles spurgeon my brother in christ if charles spurgeon was alive today yeah you would
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hate him the you would hate co-author friedrich engels of the communist manifesto i went and
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looked this up i didn't just take someone's word for it his daughter on his deathbed was asking
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him different questions and she asked him who do you hate most yeah this is the co-author with
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carl marx of the communist manifesto one word he said spurgeon yep the man who authored that
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the heinous piece of trash he hated yeah that preacher in london yeah and notice this isn't
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just um an eighth an atheist on religious or anti-religious grounds saying i hate spurgeon
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because he convinces people that there's a god no this is a political figure right with real
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political institutional tangible power not just arguing about religion and theory and theology
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but someone who believed that material is all that mattered yeah somebody who absolutely
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cares about the tangible temporal things of this world and he was saying this baptist preacher
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makes things really difficult for me yeah this guy makes it really hard for me to be able to
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in a wicked fashion accrue temporal earthly power.
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who wants America to become a socialist hellhole.
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Who do you despise with every fiber of your being?
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Who they're not fine with is a guy who just realized in 2022
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that Democrats might not be the party of compassion and kindness.
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elon musk the dumbest smart guy who's maybe ever lived he's got to be smart i recognize his into
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but he's also got to be dumb you're talking about a guy who um he he literally tweeted out i remember
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it was 2022 this is like two years ago and he's like um when he came out as you know conservative
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if even that right you know broadly republican support just right but he came out and he was
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like um i i this will be the first time that i will not be voting democrat um i always voted
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for them in the past because i i thought that democrats were the party of kindness
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and compassion right it's literally what he said yeah imagine 2022 thinking that the democrat
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party that burned down half of the country and mostly peaceful riots um that they were the party
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of kindness and compassion like and and this isn't like somebody who realized in 2022 because they
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were 14 this is a grown right right right connected connected grown man a connect yeah so
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my point is um and yet this guy okay so beat up elon enough probably but yet this guy who just
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realized that maybe democrats aren't the good guys um two years ago realized that uh this guy
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he's making more trouble for democrats today than just about anybody else and he's doing it because
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of power yeah striker's right because uh what did he say elon has real power most of the reform
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baptist churches don't have the level of power that he has right so he has real power but here's
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the thing most most christians don't have power it's one thing if we just couldn't help it it's
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like well look we can't do as much as elon because we don't have a trillion dollars fair point
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Because it's one thing if it's simply just written in the stars
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But I want to argue, I think that it's fair to argue,
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that Elon, yes, of course he has more power,
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more money and influence and power than Christians today.
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That we all, myself included, could have been more powerful
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and socialists like bernie sanders can just run freely over the whole country and have it all yeah
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i mean very few people deserve more credit for that than david platt yeah yeah i mean that guy
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i don't know maybe bernie sanders paid him maybe i don't like he should he should be getting
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royalties yeah uh he should be getting royalties for his book radical from communists they should
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be paying the root because very few uh have have paved the way for communists more right than
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than David Platt. Let's get to this quote. It's from Saul Alinsky. It's really good. Again,
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he's a leftist radical, but he has good things about power. And then we'll head to a commercial
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break. Do you have that quote, Nate? All right. So Saul Alinsky says, change comes from power
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tea not so you can smoke cigars to change things to drive power to exert your will a godly will
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so we talked about why you need your radicals you need guys that are pushing the envelope they need
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to be financially stable and independent to be able to do what they do here's the deal and it
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took me a while to realize this um you need your company men to and what we mean by that again
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it's not an integration it's not a negativity thing take an organization there's a principle
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in statistics called the pareto principle which is 20 of anything typically does 80 of the work
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of the resources of this that or the other in any given company on average not every single case
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There's about 20% of people that will do the bulk, about 80% of the work.
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And so the same way, if you think about a church or a parachurch organization or a ministry or a business or a political group,
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80% of the research, the fundraising, the energy, the effort, the creating content, doing all that,
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is going to be done not actually typically by radicals, the entrepreneurs, and the guys pushing the conversation.
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They're going to be done by good, faithful, stable, godly men.
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And this isn't comparing, well, there's the radicals, and then there's the boring guys.
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You need them in your business, showing up to work on time every day.
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You need them in ministry, maybe not necessarily as leaders, not the ones leading the initiatives,
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not the one making decisions, all of the decisions, but the good company men, especially ones
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that are embedded, like we talked about, PCA, the OPC, Presbyterian church structures, those
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men, they could be kicked out of the PCA, lose their income for publicly supporting you, or they
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could spend 20 years sitting on committees, sitting on sessions, interviewing seminary candidates for
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ministry, and bringing all their beliefs that they agree with and applying them practically.
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So as you're thinking about the radicals and the guys that, you know, they're a little tough to be
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associated with, don't also forget that we need tons of stable guys, tons of company men that are
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good solid faithful men and who are just behind those radicals who are the beachhead like that
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40 to 50 000 we talked about that that comes and lands on the beach and actually secures it okay
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maybe your special ops team is 50 or 100 or whatever but by by proportion it's mostly made
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up of regiments your corporals your sergeants the rank and file guys and so if god made you to be a
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radical this is what i'll say if god made you to be the radical praise god play that role but if
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he didn't you don't have to force it if god made you to be the company man and to work hard at the
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nine to five or whatever it is uh the the godliest thing you could do is to do that thing that god
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has given you and not try to manufacture a personality or something to be the radical
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that is an honorable role praise god for the radicals uh but there's all the honor as well
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to be had in um faithfully playing the role god has given you which statistically is going to be
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80 85 90 percent of you and the majority of you are company men and that's a good thing there's
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nothing wrong with that so if you're wondering like what am i um am i a radical am i like the
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majority of people are normal that's why we have the word normal it represents the majority that's
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who the majority are and so there's nothing wrong with that and um you're able to make real change
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um but but doing it um in a steady fashion and in a faithful and steady ongoing consistent fashion
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over long periods of time like if you if you you know like you said if you sit on the board of a
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seminary or for a denomination and you actually have the ability to send um all these guys who
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are coming if somebody else was in your seat in your position of power uh you'd get this marxist
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on staff and you'd get this uh you know person who's compromised uh and you're able to send
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those people away and slowly but surely fire certain individuals hiring certain individuals
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i mean that's what it that it's you know it's back to the the friend enemy distinction
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of uh rewarding friends and crushing enemies and when we say crushing we don't mean you know as
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vigil antis as a literal batman in the night going and and killing people um we're saying
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crushing them um in in every capacity that is fitting with the law of god um meaning uh financially
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we want to crush our enemies one way is to not pay uh patron um certain certain companies and
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certain individuals who are wicked and and want to ruin the country you know so like you have an
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uh you have the opportunity to reward friends and crush enemies every time uh you spend a dollar
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every time. So in our vocation, in our spending, in all these different ways,
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we constantly, culturally, financially, and at times in a civil capacity, those of you who are
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in a part of the civil magistrate, or if you're a lawyer, or if you're a judge, then yes, you have
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that ability. You have just the average American citizen. When you sit on a jury and doing your
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civic duty you have the ability to um to exonerate the innocent and to condemn the wicked um in all
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these ways we we you know and this is just my point my point is this is your average guy your
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average guy being faithful day in day out in all these various capacities um and i guess all i'm
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saying is not it's not even to elevate your radicals um that's not the point of this episode
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It's not to elevate radicals, and it's not to try to inspire a bunch of 24-year-old men to become radicals and say, that's cool, I want to do that.
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Because most of you, we need to be company men.
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Some of you might be radicals, but most of you are going to be good company men.
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The point of this episode is not to exalt radicals above the company men, and it's not to inspire all the company men to become radicals, because we'll lose that way.
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um if anything my my motive in doing this episode is to say that for those of you who are company
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men stay as company men be faithful as company men um and um uh but but please um while not
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being a radical yourself and maybe not even publicly associating with a radical because
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it might bring heat that you you can't afford um could you please at least commit to not um to not
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joining in the mob and destroying christian radicals and uh and then for some of you you
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should consider um not only not destroying uh good righteous radicals but you should uh consider
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privately in a way that doesn't hurt you privately financially supporting christian radicals so that
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they can continue um their work because the only way that someone like me can do what i do um is
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is if I have enough financial insulation by people who are like,
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yeah, I don't know, Joel, if I could be picked up three to four times
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every single week by Right Wing Watch that has 600,000, 700,000 followers
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and get 5 million views every few weeks for something.
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um uh i don't know if i have the emotional framework to be able to do that without you
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know being stressed out and i certainly don't have uh economically like i i would lose employment i
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can't like i can't um do that uh and what we're saying in this episode is we get it of course
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like most people 80 percent of people can't do that um if anything we know they can't because
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a little bit of pressure came and they took out the paper and they read the script and they
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apologized right like that's how it starts we're faithful and little and then you get to the point
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where you may attract more and more attention a lot of people fold when i mean the first cancel
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campaign comes for them exactly yeah most people do that's that's what happens is guys will that's
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a great point is guys will try to be radical and then and then they'll finally step too far
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and and and the spotlight lands on them and they have their five minutes of of fame and then what
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you'll see uh the very next week is some kind of public apology struggle session yeah some kind of
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yeah some kind of public apology and uh you know because they get they get all this pressure for
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whatever it is uh you're a misogynist you're um a bigot you're um a racist you're a nazi you know
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whatever it might be and um and the immediate reaction is um what i've noticed like a lot of
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guys who've, and I've watched guys, guys that I think are good guys. They just should have been
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company met and not pushing the Overton as leaders in the public spotlight. But I've watched guys,
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even recently, guys that I've met in person, they're good. I think they're good guys. They're
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Christian men. I'm not questioning, well, you compromised, and so therefore, no, they're good
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guys. But I've watched them. Certain heat comes their way, certain pressure, and immediately
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um you'll see uh this video comes down that episode comes down this one and then all of a
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sudden you know it's like silence for about a week maybe two and then um and then there's a new
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installment um where and it's like this guy um very clearly was strapped to a chair you know the
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i had stapled up and forced to watch you know uh world war ii documentaries for 48 hours straight
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you know or or um anti whatever racist documentary like um 12 this guy had to watch 12 years of
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on repeat you know for seven days yeah you had to read uh candy you know or whatever uh what's
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her name uh robin d'angelo robin d'angelo and uh and it's so clear and that happens often it's sad
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but that is a regular occurrence and i'm talking again talking good guys these are good these are
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guys who are above average in terms of resilience and strength these are guys who in many ways are
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masculine they're strong they would make a great um elder in a church or a local pastor these are
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good guys and they know the theology but even they um they're like if if the if a certain degree
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amount of pressure comes like five million views every month you know or every two weeks at this
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point or it doesn't it's not always the degree of pressure it sometimes it's the type of pressure
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if much smaller amount of pressure comes from another source a particular source that's maybe
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closer to home and it hits and it hurts your pastor um they um they it is it's almost like
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an involuntary uh reaction where immediately they cannot help um whereas what i want to say is there
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actually are times, just to kind of caveat this, there is such a thing as accountability. And there
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is such a thing as getting it wrong and sinning and needing to repent. And if the sin was public,
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there needs to be public repentance. However, I have found, and I don't do this perfectly,
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you guys pray for me, because I'm continuing to learn. But I have found it is, you have to be so
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careful and i think you should you should err on hesitancy um if you if you repeat uh publicly
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repent for something because you really did publicly sin and it comes three weeks later
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instead of one week later because you wanted to avoid you not repentance but you wanted to avoid
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a second sin which is called false repentance i think the lord will honor that i really do it's
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okay for your public apology to come three weeks later instead of one week later and i i have had
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to do this again and again, where I either get a certain amount of pushback or I get pushback from
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a certain source. And I've had to go back and re-watch, what did I say? What did I say? And
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then try as best I can objectively and then talking to other friends. And is this objectively
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sin? Did I objectively sin or is this just uncomfortable? If it's uncomfortable, if it's
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only uncomfortable, but it caused just a ton of blowback or blowback from allies who we love,
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then that might merit a pivot in strategy, okay? I'm going to lay off of that for a little while,
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or we're going to go a different direction, and that's all fair game, but don't apologize.
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There is a difference between pivoting and saying, okay, this one got a lot of blowback,
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and I want to be a radical, but I don't want to be suicidal. There is a difference.
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I'm not a kamikaze, I want to push the Overton window, but by God's grace, I'd like to do
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it for 40 years and not just for four more months.
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And so you can only fight on so many fronts simultaneously.
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So there is something to say, like, all right, this thing got a lot of pushback.
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We can make people mad about, you know, always dust off the old 19th Amendment, you know,
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You know, there are plenty of things to continue pushing that are faithful to Scripture, and
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There's a difference between false repentance, capitulating, versus resting and redirecting
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So there's plenty of times to, all right, that was just, I can't handle that level of pushback
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every single week. I got to refocus and redirect. Fine. Not only is that permissible, I think that's
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wise. But there's a difference between refocusing or resting or pausing versus false repentance,
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where the pressure comes, and in the final analysis, you did nothing wrong.
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And in those moments, you have to be able to just sit in the discomfort,
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just to be, and I think, I don't know what it is, but by God's grace,
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I think I got a lot of rejection growing up as a kid, not for my parents.
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so like the beginning of my life was somebody not wanting me that's how adoption works somebody has
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to give you up and say we don't want them um so that somebody else takes you uh but my whole life
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like i remember struggling with you know a root of rejection and and most of my life very
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uncomfortable very uncomfortable and uh in high school like people would call me bible boy like
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i always because i was always reading my bible i was kind of a loser you know i was in marching
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band and theater like i mean it's just like you couldn't you didn't turn out gay exactly yeah
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yeah but it's like even if i tried you could you know it'd be i'd be hard-pressed to be a bigger
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loser um but but my point is early on in life i i just i got comfortable with um a bunch of people
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calling me names like it was just like okay yeah a lot of people are going to call me names whatever
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that's okay um be a little bit vulnerable here for a moment but like my whole life also like
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struggled with my skin. Not the whiteness of my skin, but blemishes, acne. And that has always
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been something that people have made fun of me for. And so just early on in life, I guess,
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and pretty much all my adult life, I had to, it was either, I was just going to relegate myself
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to obscurity, which I genuinely considered at multiple points. Like just, okay, well, one way
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It's just like, maybe I go be an accountant, you know, and work in a basement, you know,
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or a cubicle and, you know, my stapler, you know, like the, I just, you know, and everybody
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I felt the Lord calling me to ministry and I felt the Lord calling me to public ministry
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where I'm physically in front of people, which is just has been a terrible irony because
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it's like i i struggled with rejection my whole life um don't like the way i look um don't even
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like the sound of my own voice um and and and yet i but but i was like i've i want to preach i want
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to preach i want to preach and so i just did it and just had people make fun of me and had people
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hate me like brian silvey brian silvey pushes the envelope all the time but it helps when you
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um when you look like tom bomb bombadil you know and and um and like kind of like almost are almost
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whistling and chuckling as you talk i meanwhile i'm over here i look like a james bond villain
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you know like you know and like and there is something to be said for the optics and those
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kinds of things and so anyways the point is i just had to learn early on but by god's grace
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everything's providential and i i feel like the lord prepared me for some of this to where it's
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like every week you know some something goes viral something you know and um and people you
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know sometimes ask me you know like like how do you how do you sleep at night and the answer is
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like a baby yeah fantastic like i you know like sleep great uh it's like well what about your wife
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well um what i do for my wife who is not like me um is i uh i'll keep her in the loop in very
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general terms i do not uh i do not give my wife um a full update of my day so i ask how was your
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day oh it was great you know i talked to so-and-so on the phone i wrote a sermon did some uh some
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study of you know the book of matthew and and you know i had lunch with so-and-so i don't necessarily
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tell her um uh well um five million people uh wish that i was dead um you know i because my
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wife does not have the frame to handle that right which is part of the reason why and just for the
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record i didn't make her do this but my wife wanted to do this and i affirmed it and encouraged it
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because i think it was wise she said joel uh is it a good idea for me to be on social media
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and i said uh sweetheart no uh you know uh social media is a terrible it's like billy madison when
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the little kid says i can't wait to go to high school you know he's like no no like don't do it
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it's like i can't wait to get on uh on x it's like no sweetheart don't x is a terrible terrible place
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and uh by the grace of god um please don't ever ever get right and so but but the point is like
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it takes a unique person not everybody can do that you have to have and the lord i think prepared me
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for that to where now that like there'll be certain pressure and it's like no no i i went back
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i i watched the footage i saw what i said in its context um brothers and sisters you cannot be held
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personally responsible for a left-wing communist organization clipping you out i i did not give a
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32-second sermon. I gave a 60-minute sermon. I'm not responsible for someone clipping me out of
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context. And there's a difference between you clipping yourself for just the latest hot take
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versus enemies clipping you to make it as hot of a take as possible without any of the larger
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context, without the scripture, without the exegesis, simply to rile up a bunch of people,
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ultimately, this is their goal, to go and vote for Kamala Harris. Because if you get Joel,
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you get trump yeah right we wish but that's that's not the case so that like all that being
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said the point is most of you are company men but can you at least we would we would urge you can
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you at least recognize these obvious tactics this this we're not talking to you right here in the
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chat yeah yep yeah most of you who are watching this channel you're you're our biggest supporters
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you're our biggest allies but but for others can you can you recognize like okay right wing watch
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according to Mother Jones, which is part of the reason why I want to encourage people.
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When we get in brother wars, right, we need to do no more brother wars. When we get in brother
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wars over being a hair and a freckle to the left versus a hair and a freckle to the right,
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the vast majority of the world, they don't see it like that. When Mother Jones starts writing
01:20:07.920
their article they don't say you know what joel webbin and uh steven wolf those guys have really
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crossed the line but we appreciate doug wilson and his moderate reason world coach no they literally
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they quote doug wilson and read that article by mother jones the most um shocking offensive quotes
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are his right not mine not steven's his his are the are the and um and he's been blacklisted for
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40 years of his life, and just now kind of been received in the last three, four years as
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reasonable. And even then, only reasonable to still. We're talking about a minority of the
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population that would see him as reasonable. So you got to take all those things into account.
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Who am I going to pick fights with? Who's actually picking a fight? Did I do this as a hot take
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intentionally? Should I step back? Did I actually sin publicly? Should I publicly repent and
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apologize? And the point is, it's not easy. That's the point. It's not easy, which is just one more
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reason why 95% of you should not do this. 95% of you should not make it your aim to play the heel,
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to be a radical jesus even says like when you start to build a building count the cost right
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because it is shameful to put a foundation right build up a little platform and then fold not have
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the will to carry it through to stand by your hands it would have been better if you didn't
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start building at all exactly then to because because your enemies will then mock mock you
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and and your allies that's right and your allies um but all these things uh what we need right now
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if we want to win, is you do need a few radicals.
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Those guys have to count the costs, and they need to be unique.
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Then beyond that, there's something to be said for everybody else,
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the shield wall, and saying, when everybody comes and says,
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give us Stephen Wolfe so that we can hang him up,
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you need a bunch of guys who are not Stephen Wolfe
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and can't afford to be Stephen Wolfe to still be able to say,
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If one person breaks in the shield wall, it all starts to crumble.
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I've seen it in churches where the pastor gets a bunch of heat and one core family leaves the church.
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And they think, well, but if this many people think he's wrong, he must be.
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And that one core, and then it becomes a domino effect in a third of the congregation.
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And just don't do it right in the middle of the drama.
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And the church would have been insulated and protected.
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But the chink in the shield wall, that's where all of your radicals get strung up.
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And not only your radicals, but all the company men, good company men start getting wiped out as well.
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Someone reminded of the verse in the chat, but Jesus literally says,
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he who receives a prophet receives the prophet's reward.
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The good men that run a family and the prophet needs somewhere to stay.
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And they say, hey, you can stay here for a little while.
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He says, those receive the reward of the prophet as well.
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even though they they weren't they weren't a prophet themselves but they get you're right
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that's a great i credit to whoever put it in the chat who was it nathan go back i want to lord
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knows who you are the lord knows and everyone else is about to know probably not because i
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guarantee it's an anon always is good old good old biblical anon yeah a little bit there right
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there uh so this was yellow moth yellow moth shout out for you well done company men get batman's
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reward i like it yeah yeah company men get batman's reward and uh and church men get profits reward
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rewards that's good okay we'll go to our last commercial break yeah and when we come back i
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want to i want to um honor some other radicals i actually kind of want to give a list of some guys
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that you the majority of you listening as company men um can uh can financially support um and should
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like because because some of these guys are getting a ton of heat and um and then and then
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we also want to we want to honor some other guys but then we also want to talk about a little bit
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of um how you guys can also support us um because like for instance like there's some guys who just
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reached out to me uh yesterday great guys um that i'm building a relationship with and said um would
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you be comfortable with us publicly um doing a fundraiser to uh raise money for you to help get
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you um uh your home a good security system like with cameras and because we don't my wife and i
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don't have that and uh i file you know uh when i get you know i get you know hundreds thousands
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of people like i hate you that's not a death threat i hate you is not a death threat but when
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i get threats and when i say threats i'm talking about objective like um i'm coming for you i'll
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get like just yesterday i had a voicemail of somebody and you could tell he changed his voice
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um you know and called from an unknown number and said um uh we watched uh we watched the clip
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of you calling um for uh execution of women i want you to know we're coming for you and so like
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uh even with our church um every single week i have to reach out to guys in our church
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to be prepared um and to show up early and um to protect people in our church people
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um people want people not everybody some people just hate me but there are some people who want
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to kill me they actually want to kill me and um and being able to continue doing what we're doing
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and not dying um actually does cost money there's another guy you might have heard of him
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uh who people want to kill donald trump like donald trump like um they can't win they know
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they can't win right they have to kill him they they tried to beat him to cheat but now this one's
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too big to rig yeah and so then they tried the law fair like okay if we can't beat him in an
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election and we can't it's even outside the margin of cheating the margin of cheated cheating um then
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will try to lock him up that failed so now it's like we we have to kill him i have to shoot him
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um at like and so far that hasn't worked but here's the deal donald trump and i'm not donald
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trump but the but the point is um donald trump absolutely it is good and right and fitting and
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pleasing i believe in the sight of god that um one of the richest men elon musk is like um can i make
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you a bulletproof golf cart right yeah and can i help you uh resource your security team to keep
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you alive right and what we're going to get into in this third segment i'm going to be a little bit
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bold and in asking here you have not because you ask not uh some of you are company men
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and and some of you are company men who literally own the company like you're rich company men and
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you still because of the strategy and assignment that in god's providence he has given to you
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you still can't afford to be doing what A.D. Robles is doing or what Stephen Wolfe is doing
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or what I'm doing. But you can give a lot more than $5. You are in a position where you could
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give to a ministry like ours, Right Response Ministries, to help have a security system
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to where guys who leave the voicemail saying, we're coming for you on my phone daily,
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to where they don't actually come or if they come they're unsuccessful and me and my family don't
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get killed like this is my point is the stakes are real it's not just sow a seed brother and you know
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and for for your gift of one dollar a day you know that uh this missionary would like no we're
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talking about um changing culture they want to kill me because it's working right they want to
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kill me because it's working it's not just because they're angry it's because it's working it is
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changing the discourse when i was talking when we were talking about repealing the 19th amendment
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maybe that was a bad idea um there was way more pushback now way more a ton of people i mean it
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is already changing where people like yeah you know what maybe women shouldn't vote like because
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here come the statistics uh young men what's the number one thing they're voting for the economy
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right um how can i get a job and and uh and afford a mortgage and food on the table for a family
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that's the way young men are thinking that's the most important issue to them is can i feed a
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family most important issue 39 of single women abortion um uh how can i murder my kids yep
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yeah women should not be voting yep they're not suited for it that does not mean that women are
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inherently more wicked than men but they are not suited for that sphere um and i remember going
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viral and viral and viral because of that a couple years ago and now um it continues to go viral but
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not just with me because now right wing watch and all they have to clip out yeah thousands of guys
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saying the same thing because it's become so apparent and obvious even women conservative
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quote-unquote the platform even they're kind of like even women are like yeah we should oran chen
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and stuff like yeah they're coming out do we have the right to vote and it's but that's the thing
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it's becoming norming so whether it's the daily wire with am i racist matt walsh you know once
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once uh once uh john harris and ad robles made it safe you know for megan basham and matt walsh
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then they came out with a heavy artillery and now critical race theory you're uh you're running into
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the shadows now you're looking pretty foolish somebody's backing out of d'angelo literally
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deleted her accounts yeah her twitter account as soon as that dog she was embarrassed she was
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who then, they're the ones who bring the heavy artillery,
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and the wicked, like the cockroaches that they are,
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Well, same thing, Charlie Kirk would be an example.
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Martin Luther King Jr. is not the hero that we want.
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Right? Martin Luther King Jr., honoring him today will be the equivalent of like John, the Catholic guy.
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John Doyle said, you know, 30, 50 years from now, people will be saying, I'm a George Floyd conservative.
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Because really, you know, he was just trying to stick it to the man, you know, fiat currency by having a $20 counter.
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and he was just you know and and the last words that he you know before he died was uh was i want
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my mom you know so here's a here's a family man he's a family man he loves his mother um no uh
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george floyd was trash right he was a criminal he should not have a monument he should not be
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honored no way um likewise martin luther king was not a good man he was a marxist he was propped up
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by marxists he was having an orgy the night or two nights before he was assassinated cheating on his
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wife and pretending to be a preacher no he he was not a good man and civil rights that movement has
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destroyed our culture and for those of you who want a longer form argument not just the joel
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webbin short version um read age of entitlement by christopher caldwell and see what the civil
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Rights Act, what that did to our Constitution and to our government. It destroyed us. But here's my
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point. There were guys sounding the alarm about Michael King, Martin Luther King, his actual name
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I think is Michael, guys who were sounding the alarm six years ago, seven years ago, eight years
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ago um and then this past year uh was year one right of charlie kirk yeah coming up and charlie
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kirk got flack but boom that's heavy artillery i guarantee you next year it'll be more guys and
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it'll be bigger names and it'll be to eventually um we will by the grace of god get to a point
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where we're able the average normie not even christian normie right but just normal person
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in america will look back and say yeah civil rights act was a disaster can't believe we did
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that. That'd be amazing. Let's celebrate Stonewall Jackson Day instead of Michael Martin Luther King
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In this final segment, we're going to name some other radicals that are worthy of respect and also support.
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You would see his church name, where you can find him.
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but also he uh is the ceo of armored republic so they make body armor uh protective devices you
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could also have stuff for working out um completely worthy of of your support if you
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are buying something related to self-defense and david reese carries it armor republic that is a
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godly business that you should support that you should buy from uh and he's gonna have arguably
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the best product yeah right that's a product you need because he does things well yeah because he
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does things well like like he's so it's you're gonna it's not even just charity but like yes
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you should patron yep yep and last week he came to your defense too joel he said those people
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christians picking on and and and siding with the left on this absolutely not this is what the
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scripture says we should be on the same to this unashamed of the scripture and unashamed of the
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messenger so yep great godly man he did um who else i mean the usual suspects right we've got
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i'll mention john harris because before i had heard of you joel i stumbled across john harris
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in the blm days right and i emailed him from taiwan and he emailed me back and like really
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encouraged me gave me good advice and um basically sealed the deal on my time there
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you know if we hadn't left because of covid we were leaving the next year anyway because
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and now he's gonna hopefully be endorsing your book yeah absolutely so but if you want to talk
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about someone who um is on the the cutting edge man he's been there for a while so he has support
01:37:46.520
his podcast support truth script buy his books um yeah john harris was one one of the first he
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really was and one of the first two like there were some early guys early adopters yeah who
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stayed faithful and yep but like some of them they only pushed so far that's right john harris
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john has continued he was early but he kept pushing he wasn't you know john harris was not
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content to just say like look we got to get back to the 80s yep um classical liberalism 80s economy
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so that my cruise line can have more uh make more money um instead john harris said no we got to
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keep going for righteousness absolutely not classical liberalism but the bible what does
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the bible say um 80 robles yep he's right there with john harris same thing 80 robles owns his
01:38:31.840
own staffing company um nathan look that up real quick because i want to uh give him a shout so
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that people can go um if they are looking for employment use ad um i want to yeah name his
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company and a link so that people can do that uh but john harris you can uh look up conversations
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that matter uh and look up truth script yep and um and consider making a donation uh david reese
01:38:54.500
is uh he's he he's kind of the batman of christenem he's he's a baller financially
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but you can uh absolutely patron his company armored republic um uh for 80 robles you should
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if you need a staffing company to help you with employment you should check out um ad robles and
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that's part of why ad is able to do what he does yep ad is able to do what he does because he's
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self-employed he owns his own company he worked hard to establish it uh so that he would be
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insulated enough right to where he can just come out and say things ad believe it or not ad goes
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harder than i do people don't think that's while he does it so people don't think like i get i get
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picked up a part of the reason we get picked up a lot is because um part of it is metrics like what
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you know uh by god's grace covenant recruiter that's 80 robust so go to covenant recruiter.com
01:39:43.500
covenant recruiter.com um for uh 80 robust if you want a staffing company to help you with
01:39:51.200
finding employment but um part of the reason that we get picked up is because there are certain
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metrics when you pass a certain threshold you just that's true like so when we pass like a hundred
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thousand subscribers on youtube it put us right in a just a different realm of of viewed more
01:40:09.800
heavily as a threat part of even like our setup like ad is it's a webcam he's in his garage and
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he's in his garage and that's great yeah um there's nothing wrong with that the reason why we're doing
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what we're it's not because we're trying to um be inauthentic or pose um because i'm i'm just as
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blue collar as ad right like and but the reason we did this you know and like we want to have
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high dollar cameras and a good studio and we're going to work the algorithm with youtube and
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we're going to try to get you know surpass 100 000 subscribers all this is because we wanted
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to punch above our weight right and punching above your weight means two things one it means
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that you're going to make a big impact there's a ton of people who are listening to us it also
01:40:52.400
means you're going to get a ton of attack right like like i'm just i'm going to be viewed as a
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threat um by certain individuals that won't view ad as much of a threat and that and that's part of
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um part of why we get the pushback that we do but we also are able to uh punch in a little harder
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at times right um but ad robles still throws a heck of a punch and um and so he's worthy of your
01:41:20.760
support who are some other guys ogden has i mean they got like a stacked roster 10 15 guys some
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kind of podcaster endeavor but uh four main guys does a great job eric con is there he's he's their
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reaper cheap you know like challenging you know the dragon to single combat if you're batman we
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said uh he's bane he's bang if bane was a little shorter though unfortunately but yeah eric no eric
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is he is a fighter like he started you know years ago with hard man podcast and uh and he's not just
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like a fighter in terms of you know his rhetoric or words but like eric is that kind of guy like
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for me it was being the loser and getting rejected and just and then becoming immune to rejection
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like um immune to being made fun of or hated or whatever uh for eric it was um i mean eric's the
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kind of guy who like would just go off in the woods and hunt you know bear or elk you know and
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be in the woods for a month and be able to just survive and haul it back by himself like he
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actually is a hard man yeah um yeah i remember one of the first things i heard from eric when i
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before i even knew him personally but years ago started listening to him and somebody recommended
01:42:34.240
him was he was like part of biblical masculinity it's not all just spiritualized part of biblical
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masculinity is being hard to kill right literally physically hard to kill um uh if you're going to
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have a wife and children and you're called to provide and protect there's a spiritual
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component there's a physical component and in the protection um realm in the physical side of that
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um you need to be hard to kill that if somebody is going to try to hurt your family they have to
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come through you and that they're going to think twice right um that they may be able to kill you
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but it won't be easy you're going to be hard to kill and uh and if you have no cardio if you um
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lose your breath quickly if you and he just started like listing some of these things like
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if your circulation is bad like um you know all these different like you are easy to kill
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you are easy to kill and uh and your loved ones are less protected and there is a moral
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a moral culpability and so anyways eric is um who eric is in terms of his content his message
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is really just um it's just a further extension of who he is as a man and who he's always been for
01:43:51.380
you know 40 years as a man is just um the dude is like he's uh he has grit yeah right he has grit
01:44:00.760
like the dude can just go into the wilderness for a month you know and is raising his sons that way
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to where they now go elk hunting you know for two weeks you know completely off the beaten path you
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know and uh he's a man and and he's worthy of support he's not it's it's it's frustrating with
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some of our reformed brothers that we love are like, these are boys, like, you know, these young
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boys who are just being immature. It's like, brother, I have five kids. Eric, you know,
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is a grown man. He's in his 40s. He has a wife and children. He could probably kill a bear with
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his hands i feel like or at least if he had a knife um he's been talking about these things
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for years about a decade um yeah like you can disagree with him that's fine but the but the
01:44:57.460
matt chandler rhetoric of boys who can shave um i think i think it's time to leave that out yeah
01:45:04.820
you know like like you just you need to find another line you need to say um i i i for these
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reasons objective reasons i disagree with the crusades and therefore disagree with ogden and
01:45:16.800
their latest project with the king's hall that's fine but um but but saying um they're they're
01:45:23.560
immature boys or whatever you're just gonna have to find a different built more in five years than
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you probably will in your lifetime in many cases not all cases these guys but in many cases yeah
01:45:32.460
i mean the the ogden guys are not to be trifled with these are guys who you're right in five years
01:45:38.960
have built i mean it's it is breathtaking right what they've been able to establish they've got
01:45:45.960
i mean these guys have i won't say because they probably wouldn't want me to because it's their
01:45:52.120
business if they want to say they can say but i'll just say they they uh have so much support
01:45:57.680
coming in monthly on patreon it is shocking absolutely shocking and good for them and i
01:46:04.300
hope it triples. It needs to be even more because it's well spent. It's a good investment. What are
01:46:12.200
they doing with that? Well, in a lot of ways, they're paying it forward. They have a classical
01:46:17.780
Christian school that is only available to the members of their church. They've closed it. So
01:46:23.340
it's a covenant style and not a mission. It's covenantal and deeply covenantal, only open to
01:46:29.940
members of their church and every member of their church if they're a tithing member uh then they
01:46:35.000
get uh free right um free enrollment um it's like well how can you afford to do that well part of
01:46:41.540
the way they can afford to do that is that the tithes that typically would pay for a church
01:46:45.900
their size a pastor an associate pastor maybe a worship leader those kinds of things um all those
01:46:51.600
things uh salaries uh that the tithe money for the church goes to um instead goes to a headmaster
01:46:57.640
and teachers and things like that it's like well then how do the pastors get paid
01:47:01.600
with new christian press right right because they were um they had ingenuity they had innovation
01:47:09.500
because they worked hard and recorded good content with good quality podcasts like haunted cosmos
01:47:15.660
and king's hall and and built an empire there so that they could just uh be rich like joel
01:47:21.660
oestein no so that the worker who is worthy the way they could get a decent salary a good salary
01:47:27.180
that they deserve for doing good work and then pass on those benefits to their church yeah so
01:47:32.560
now you're a member of um of refuge in ogden and you don't just get a pastor you get a team of
01:47:39.180
pastors uh you get like four or five pastors for the price of one and your kids get to go to school
01:47:46.100
for free that's insane five days a week a classical good education yeah that is like those
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guys are putting that money to work so that's a that is that's invest in them so um invest in in
01:48:00.740
truth script and john harris invest in ogden and those guys invest um in uh in 80 robles use his
01:48:07.920
company um uh um i'm blanking on the name steven wolf steven wolf yep buy his book uh you already
01:48:17.520
have it buy another copy yeah somewhere yeah subscribe to his youtube channel that's the big
01:48:22.020
area yes he started a youtube channel what is it is the lone bullwark so go right now go to the
01:48:28.860
lone bullwark and subscribe and start listening to steven wolf uh people hate him yeah they hate
01:48:35.060
him uh but here's the thing you guys think that like oh steven wolf you know blah blah like um
01:48:40.680
there are bad guys out there there are truly racist guys out there there are truly um
01:48:50.680
nazi hitler fanboy guys out there um steven wolf is not one of those guys ogden are not those guys
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andrew isker is not that guy we are not those guys um we are guys who are pushing the envelope
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and and some of you you're gonna have to learn the lesson the hard way like the way ali beth
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has been learning it ali beth stuckey you know who hates me you know and she's in fact it's ironic
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i'm uh one of the main reasons that i went public in the first place was because of ali beth
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on the issue of biblical patriarchy two years ago she found a sermon clip she read it publicly
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the transcript um on on air on her show uh pulled out all the left leftists no the leftists didn't
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know who i was pulled out all the complementarian right calvinist moms so they came out yep so
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leftists so they came out of the woodwork they're not leftists but they but they're not helpful
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they're not helpful they came out of the woodwork because they heard ali beth and they started
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making me go viral. And a pastor who now has divorced his wife and left the ministry, Andy
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Woodard, he, same thing, because he was losing the argument with me on terms of substance when it
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came to Christian nationalism. He pulled out the patriarchy stuff to try to make me look bad. And
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Allie Beth picked it up, and all these women picked it up. I'm like, he told his wife not to
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read a book. He thinks that he has spiritual authority over the spiritual diet of his family.
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And they all lost their minds, all lost their minds.
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And that's where ultimately the leftists then found me.
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Allie Beth for a week has been in this back and forth battle on X with Russell Moore
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Allie Beth holds a biblical view of patriarchy and I don't like it.
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And Russell Moore is saying, Allie Beth is a Nazi.
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But sometimes it's worth a look because sometimes in God's providence, he does things that are just too sweet.
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if you're not being called a nazi then i seriously then you're doing something wrong
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tucker carlson yeah nazi yeah ali best ducky nazi us nazi steven wolf nazi um if you are not being
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called a nazi then you are not pushing against the post-war consensus hard enough you're not
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if you're not being called a racist if you're not being called a racist then you probably at some
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level have given in to anti-white discrimination at some level you might not be doing it to the
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level of a democrat but at some level um you're probably doing that if you're um if you're not
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being called anti-semitic then you are probably not pushing against zionism which is not biblical
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not true to god's word hard enough if you're not being called a misogynist then you are probably
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not teaching the clear principles of scripture as it pertains to men and women if you're not being
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called um a bigot then you are probably not frequently and courageously enough speaking
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about um the horrors and the abomination of sodomy yep spurgeon said in the sermon hebrews
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where it says suffer with him outside the camp that if we're going to be called bigots for
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believing scripture all hail bigotry right right and they called him that and so all this being
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said so when you're called a racist don't actually become a racist when you're called a nazi don't
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actually become a nazi when you're called a misogynist don't actually hate women make sure
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that it's slander doug has said this and he's right make sure that it's truly slander that
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it's truly false however however um you you need you need to be supporting uh these guys that we've
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just named steven wolf that the whole point in bringing this up is there really are you so many
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guys i've seen them online say steven wolf is racist no he's not steven wolf literally gave
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a whole talk in ogden where he said uh we need it needs to be uh protestant anglos uh anglo
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protestants um and then and then he said and not multiculturalism and then he explained that there
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was a way of being an anglo-protestant um and that including um clarence thomas including thomas
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soul including votie bockham um and and i remember like in that talk you know you can just tell like
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the enemies of stephen wolf were getting excited like we finally got him we finally got him on his
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blatant racism and and yet uh the man is bulletproof he will always uh receive bullets from
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liars, sure. But in terms of objectively and God's truth, no, he's not a racist. Andrew Isker,
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right? He wrote his book with Andrew Torba, and people didn't like that they had a whole section
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on, hey, if we're going to be Christian nationalists, it needs to be Christian
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nationalism and not Judeo-Christian nationalism. It cannot be, Zionism is an impediment to Christian
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nationalism. And I remember the Andrews, Andrew Torba and Andrew Isker got a lot of flack, and
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people said, you know, this and that and the other. But Andrew Isker, you will not be able to find him
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publicly saying something that is truly anti-Semitic. He's not anti-Semitic. He wishes no harm
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on Jewish people. In fact, he wishes the same thing that we do, that they would convert and
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believe upon the Lord Jesus Christ and be saved. And we believe that they will be, one way or
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another. And so these are good, my point is, there are unhinged guys. And I want to argue, don't
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support them. You do not need to be supporting Nick Fuentes, who is currently rallying for Kamala
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Harris. You don't need to support Nick Fuentes. You don't. He's not a strong Christian. Does he
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say some things that are right? Yes. You do not need to be supporting Andrew Tate. You don't.
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I understand that your pastor is effeminate. I understand that for most of you men. Your pastor
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is effeminate and andrew tate at least you know isn't 150 pounds overweight um i get that i do
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understand slim pickings out there uh but you do not need to be sort of supporting and andrew tate
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he's a muslim right and he does degrade women he is a pimp he is literally a pimp and has bragged
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about it um he is not a christian prince he's not our guy andrew tate is not our guy um and so all
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that being said um there are there few and far between but there are some guys who have the same
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caliber of courage they're willing to be hated by millions same caliber of courage as andrew tate
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and nick fuentes and all the things that nick fuentes and andrew tate are right about
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there are we have our own guys christian protestant guys who who are speaking out on those
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same things and they're doing it without the stupidity yeah and uh and they're and they don't
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they're not rich andrew tate is rich right yep he doesn't need your your your five dollars from
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patreon he's he's okay um but uh but ogden right response uh andrew isker steven wolf
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uh i mean you know we've we've been on a little bit of a kick of asking for support which we have
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not done in the past and we're not going to do forever right um but the response has really been
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quite overwhelming and incredible right so we're really really thankful and a lot of our talk today
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is not really to you all in the chat right now right right you guys are faithful here you you
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are seeing the same things we're seeing um we're really really super encouraged by you and thankful
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for you and proud to have you as part of this right response community and the financial support
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along with the support in the chat and even online things like that the prayers that you guys give
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really mean a lot and so as we've been asking for help and contributions honestly like some people
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have said wow we had no idea that you guys had financial needs right so we're glad that we put
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to minimize that in any way or pretend like all we're doing is asking for help and no one no one
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is like you guys definitely are you are so thank you very much for that yep you're right michael
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thank you yeah thank you guys so much for your support and most of you listening right now who
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listen live in the chat like michael said um are our biggest supporters um but some people will
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listen uh when it's all yep said and done and um and so for those uh we do ask that you support
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got any other we missed a great opportunity it's halloween next week we're talking about batman
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we could have all dressed up as batman this would have been the one chance we got to do it
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yeah next year next year all right well thank you guys for tuning in and lord willing we'll