The NXR Podcast - THE LIVESTREAM - The Dark Knights Of Christendom

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00:00:41.540 If you're going to build a movement, you're going to need your radicals.

00:00:45.540 Like Batman taking the fall for Harvey Dent, these radicals can be the bad guys acting as scapegoats

00:00:53.520 by preaching uncomfortable truths and pushing the Overton window to provide cover for pastors,

00:01:01.280 politicians, and leaders who run the risk of reprisal from their institutions. If we are

00:01:07.860 going to win, we can't afford to be idealists or compromisers. We are going to have to be shrewd

00:01:15.540 and calculating. Tune in now as we discuss why every movement needs its radicals, but also

00:01:22.940 it's good company men

00:01:24.960 all right i'm gonna be honest with you this one it's going behind the paywall it's not something

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00:03:01.660 And so our entire moral framework

00:03:03.020 is based around 1930 and 1940. 0.94

00:03:06.000 And every bad thing is Hitler. 0.94

00:03:09.220 Every failure to confront the bad thing 0.54

00:03:11.780 is Neville Chamberlain.

00:03:13.780 And, you know, Saddam Hussein, Hitler, Vladimir Putin, Hitler, Donald Trump, Hitler, right?

00:03:19.320 That's the only moral framework that we have that is operable.

00:03:23.400 So the moment that a young man crosses the aisle and the don't-believe-your-lying-eyes rhetoric doesn't work any longer,

00:03:31.180 and he's just noticed too much because it really is that blatantly obvious, and he crosses the aisle,

00:03:36.860 well, the moment he crosses the aisle, there's no reasonable, wise, mature leader over there.

00:03:40.560 You would just have the guys on the TV telling them, this is what the Bible says.

00:03:45.500 You have to believe this, right?

00:03:47.040 On the radio, the Christian radio stations, you'd only hear those guys preaching that particular thing.

00:03:53.320 When that is actually, when you look at all of church history, that's the minority view, a tiny minority view.

00:04:01.680 The rest of theological history in the church is the kind of stuff that we're saying.

00:04:09.500 Yeah.

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00:04:20.620 all right welcome back to another wednesday live stream good afternoon ga normally we'd have to

00:04:30.140 apologize for referencing a comic book in the title of the movie in the cold open here's the

00:04:35.100 deal though older than 10 years so it hasn't been made in the last 10 years and we don't make dc

00:04:40.380 it's not marvel well see that's the thing i was gonna say this is nothing for me because i uh i

00:04:46.280 did some series with isker and it wasn't the one on israel but i i it was the bonifist one and uh

00:04:53.380 it was with isker and ad rogless and i quoted uh marvel oh and they both just looked at me like

00:05:00.980 like uh like their faces i could see before my eyes as we were recording

00:05:04.920 morphed into the guy from uganda like why are you gay

00:05:08.360 like and i was like i yeah they're like yeah it's got to be a better example you could share 0.80

00:05:14.100 just anything ghostbusters i don't know uh no so the dark nights of christendom i don't want to

00:05:20.940 push the metaphor metaphor too far but uh think about christopher nolan's dark night so in the

00:05:25.240 movie you have a city riddled with crime in the underworld and the institutions that are in place

00:05:30.820 your crime units your detectives your police force all these things they're not sufficient

00:05:35.280 to handle it through the normal mechanisms or they're even involved or they're even involved

00:05:39.780 they're either corrupt they're not involved they're turning a blind eye and so batman doesn't

00:05:43.640 appear on the scene because everything is running perfectly smooth right subways on time criminals

00:05:48.100 are locked up no batman is the necessary thing that comes about when all the systems and the

00:05:53.880 structures and the fail safes that are in place that's what it was i said uh excuse me but i i

00:05:59.100 made the critical crucial mistake i used thanos and i said i am inevitable yeah so much better

00:06:04.860 to use batman um now of course the haters are going to be watching and they're like you guys

00:06:09.960 are arguing over which cartoon is less is less childish we're not referencing star wars that's 0.97

00:06:17.060 true honestly the hardest thing about liking star wars is having to tell your dad you're gay yeah 0.66

00:06:21.380 you know like that's i'm just gonna tell my kids there's six movies but dad doesn't do these things 0.78

00:06:25.120 the new hope no son those don't exist they've never been made you not they don't exist hey

00:06:30.520 real quick uh john dupree good to see you he's in the chat um and then also i wanted to say uh

00:06:37.600 give us give us a quick like on the video give us a quick like leave a comment uh on the chat

00:06:42.940 to boost the algorithm get it out to as many people as possible um and oh somebody said uh

00:06:49.200 mj naples said is joel osteen the joker oh this one's gonna hurt guys but um right now in 2020

00:06:55.100 24 the abolitionists are the joke i love our abolitionist brothers and sisters in christ

00:07:01.700 uh they're radicals exactly well and here and here's the thing that's why um i you know initially

00:07:06.960 i came out i think a little stronger than i should have uh on on x with some of the abolitionists

00:07:13.000 and then i've done my best with uh guys who i think are not just good brothers in christ but

00:07:17.540 probably um if i had to bet i i think probably better uh better men than me like ben zaisaloff

00:07:23.340 um i think of david reese um i think of james silberman dusty deaver like there's a there's

00:07:29.300 a bunch of guys um jacob miller who is um a wonderful member in our church great guys

00:07:35.980 who are pushing the overton and are simply saying look these um we believe this is the

00:07:41.920 biblical standard and we can't compromise now i i disagree in the application i agree on the

00:07:47.260 standard. I disagree on the application of the standard as we seek to apply it to a federal

00:07:53.620 presidential election, a general election. So not the primaries, Exodus 18, bring us your best guys

00:08:01.040 that meet the standard. But we're talking about a general election. One of these two people is

00:08:04.220 going to be president. And I think there's an obligation, a civil duty as Christians to love

00:08:09.080 our neighbors by saying we're going to ward off the maximum damage. We're going to try to ward

00:08:15.720 off maximum destruction um and so uh and they would disagree with me and say well that's how

00:08:20.420 you keep getting worse and worse candidates right if you always pick the lesser of two evils then

00:08:24.360 you're basically saying to the gop um that uh as long as they're uh an inch to the right of

00:08:31.380 of you know the the communists the democrat um then they'll always have your vote so i understand

00:08:37.860 their position and their position like if we took a stand you know god can win by many or by few and

00:08:42.800 who knows in 20 to 50 years, God could radically change our nation. My opinion is that in not 20

00:08:48.680 to 50, but in four years, I just talked to somebody who works at the border, border security

00:08:54.540 a couple of days ago. And he said that the numbers are way lower, that it's easily 35 to 40 million.

00:09:02.500 Wow. And so their position is in 20 to 50 years, if we just didn't compromise and held the GOP,

00:09:07.960 their feet to the fire didn't give them our vote um then we would get uh uh you know a uh you know

00:09:15.200 christian abolitionist uh presidential candidate and my position is that uh in four years we won't

00:09:21.160 have a country we'll never win a single election ever again and uh in addition to abortion um you

00:09:27.300 will also have um you also have military aged men 13 000 of them i think have uh uh 13 700

00:09:34.760 Crimes such as homicide or sexual assault?

00:09:36.300 Well, that's just a homicide, I think.

00:09:37.960 And then more that were criminals that crossed the border

00:09:40.320 and that we knew it. 0.69

00:09:42.420 And so we literally let murderers into the country.

00:09:44.780 So for me, right now, it's a vote between abortion.

00:09:49.140 It's not like abortion and then Trump is, you know,

00:09:51.940 a champion of pro-life.

00:09:53.400 No, you got abortion in both cases.

00:09:55.360 One is with Trump, it's abortion and only abortion.

00:09:59.400 And the other one, it's abortion. 1.00

00:10:00.620 And also your wife might get stabbed to death.

00:10:02.360 yep so so agree with the whole thing but there's a narrow sliver of application

00:10:06.720 like praise god for the the brave representative senators that go up to the senate go up to the

00:10:11.720 house and they put a bill in and it says you will treat every unborn child as bearing the image of

00:10:15.840 god with equal equal protection and more and more of those bills praise god they are being submitted

00:10:20.620 and because of the work of abolitionists and that's the point is is uh conservatives part

00:10:26.400 other reason we lose is because um we're always finding ways uh before we even come out to the

00:10:33.260 battlefront to kill off half of our army before we even get there um what what does the left do

00:10:38.560 with their radicals they find ways to get them elected aoc has been an elected official for how

00:10:44.900 long six to eight years at this point yeah since she was like 14 you know like uh you know and

00:10:50.680 bernie sanders bernie sanders forever like straight up socialist yeah like and he's you'll

00:10:56.660 never see obama distancing himself right you see talking heads like well we don't want to be on

00:11:00.820 board with they'll take the vote they'll be happy to have them right turn the blind eye yeah exactly

00:11:04.720 and that's the thing so it's it's there is a gosh i i hate this because i always think of tim keller

00:11:09.940 and his compromise but there is a third way here um you don't have to uh when we say uh don't uh

00:11:17.440 don't counter don't don't shoot your own that doesn't mean that you have to publicly herald

00:11:22.680 them and esteem them yes um there are plenty of of you know democrats that have more social

00:11:29.040 capital um that would you know be um very intentional not to share the stage with um

00:11:37.240 some of the the most radical players on the field in their party um but but what they also won't do

00:11:44.200 is they also won't try to score cheap points

00:11:46.800 with suburban moms 1.00

00:11:48.160 by publicly dismantling those guys, right? 1.00

00:11:55.740 And in other words,

00:11:57.620 they're not the Babylon Bee, right?

00:11:59.500 They're not Joel Berry.

00:12:00.500 And so, and that's why they win.

00:12:02.460 And that's part of why,

00:12:04.160 there's a number of reasons why, to be fair,

00:12:05.980 but that is one of the reasons

00:12:07.200 why we continually lose

00:12:09.400 is because, you know,

00:12:11.580 the natural instinct of conservatives is to see this guy is right now getting a bunch of exposure

00:12:20.520 and a lot of it is negative and i need to publicly uh join the mob in in denouncing

00:12:27.800 yeah you know it's like well what what if he just was quoting deuteronomy uh doesn't matter

00:12:34.040 sounds pretty hypothetical no this would never happen you know but uh it doesn't matter it

00:12:38.360 doesn't matter even if he's quoting scripture then i have to say he quoted it the wrong way or

00:12:42.240 he quoted it with the wrong tone or he and all of a sudden like a a full-grown as far as we can tell

00:12:47.840 you know physically um you know in terms of um autonomy or um anatomy a male immediately reverts

00:12:57.400 into like a 35 year old soccer mom yeah you know and like well i didn't i don't like your tone you

00:13:02.860 know and and uh and it's like how does this happen and the answer is um that's republicans that's

00:13:09.900 conservatives that's the way right that's the way we function the left elects its radicals the right

00:13:14.400 cancels them the right cancels them yep and we don't we don't use them so all real quick just

00:13:19.240 back to um the abolitionists my point is that um i think the abolitionists are an integral piece

00:13:26.360 um that they're they're they're partners in the war and and even beyond that they're brothers in

00:13:33.320 christ uh that i i believe are worthy of our love and our respect and you can disagree with their

00:13:40.220 particular strategy in this particular election but what i've tried to do and again at first i

00:13:47.440 came out pretty hot but that was at this point probably four or five you know months ago and

00:13:53.520 what I've done since then is I did a public debate that went above and beyond to be charitable and

00:13:58.980 kind with Ben Zysloff. Did the same thing with David Reese, with Dusty Devers multiple times,

00:14:05.720 pick up the phone and just call him and keep our relationship strong. James Silberman, I've

00:14:11.120 messaged him offline, telling him how much I appreciate him. Jacob Miller in our church. And so

00:14:16.380 what i'm trying to do is remember that you know november 5th will come and go and um and and

00:14:22.980 we're going to need these guys these these are some of our because these are the kind of here's

00:14:28.360 the thing the abolitionist uh when i was going viral over the last week and getting you know

00:14:33.500 death threats and um my my phone just constantly ringing people we're coming for you um you know

00:14:40.640 like uh you know who who um you know who didn't retweet me uh calling me a monster abolitionists

00:14:48.600 yeah abolitionists were perfectly comfortable with the law word of god in deuteronomy that if

00:14:54.560 someone falsely accuses someone then whatever the penalty and is found to be uh lying then whatever

00:15:00.860 the penalty would have been for the alleged um oppressor uh that then that penalty falls on the

00:15:08.620 the fake victim instead the abolitionists are no strangers right to that kind of courage that kind

00:15:15.360 of controversy and um and the abolitionists were the ones um who were immediately in my corner

00:15:21.020 and uh and they're they're worthy of my my public honor so i i honor you guys who did that thank you

00:15:27.300 yeah and so the point is you need the radicals to again just go back to the movie you have harvey

00:15:31.980 dent who is looking to be and you can tell at one point that uh bruce wayne is looking at him

00:15:35.940 he could be the new face of it i've cleaned up the underworld in many ways uh maybe he could be the

00:15:40.720 face of it and we could get back to this respectability harvey obviously leans into the

00:15:44.700 grief and the revenge and he kills five people kills two cops but batman is the one that takes

00:15:48.960 the fall for him and he says my point is always to serve the city and if right now what the city

00:15:53.500 needs is someone like this who can keep the credibility of the institutions going who can

00:15:58.940 keep things running if that's the service if that's who you need me to be then i can do it

00:16:04.060 And so every movement, you survey the lot of it, you'll have 80%, we'll get to them in the second segment, their company men, their institution, their police commissioners like Gordon.

00:16:13.860 Gordon isn't putting on a cape as police commissioner and beating up people with no due cause.

00:16:18.680 Batman is doing that.

00:16:19.500 You need Gordon to be Gordon.

00:16:20.900 You need the police.

00:16:21.740 You need SWAT.

00:16:22.240 You need all these things.

00:16:23.480 But when things get to a certain point, you need someone who can take the fall, who can say the things that need to be said, to even skirt the rules and skirt the traditional way of doing things. 0.80

00:16:33.460 And so Saul Alinsky, he was a radical Jewish leftist, but he wrote Rules for Radicals.

00:16:39.000 And he's got a lot of good stuff in there.

00:16:41.520 And his point in all of that is you need these people because they're going to be courageous.

00:16:46.780 Obviously, he's a leftist, so he's pushing leftist ideals.

00:16:49.920 But they won, so maybe we should learn a little bit from them.

00:16:53.340 In the same way, if we want to move things right, you're going to shift the Overton

00:16:56.580 window over, you're going to need people that can, we were talking about this, we can get

00:17:00.980 into it, people who can and who will. So they have the means and they have the courage to say

00:17:06.400 the things like you did to apply the word of God, to say the Bible actually says this about women

00:17:12.340 being quiet and peaceable and dignified. The Bible says this about false accusations of justice.

00:17:19.120 Here's how it would look in our current day. And maybe you can't align with that. You're talking

00:17:24.880 about those who came to your fence. Maybe if you're a state senator, maybe if you're a big

00:17:29.640 media talking head you just can't positively retweet share all those things uh but at the

00:17:35.080 same time you've got to give the radicals their due because they're the ones that are pushing

00:17:39.140 the conversation give them their due or at minimum just don't uh don't don't join in

00:17:44.380 in publicly destroying them go ahead i i want to take a devil's advocate perspective here for a

00:17:51.500 minute because there's a lot of people who will say we want society to be different

00:17:56.660 right we you look around and you see what's going on with society and you know there's a problem i

00:18:04.120 don't think there's a conservative christian out there who wouldn't look around and say we

00:18:07.520 there are are tremendous serious ghastly problems that we're dealing with as a church as a nation

00:18:14.500 it's widespread it's a cancer that is not just moving quickly but it's metastasized and spread

00:18:21.620 through the whole body right so we would look at this and we would say there is a problem there's

00:18:24.900 a serious problem and i sympathize with this view because my natural inclination is to have this view

00:18:31.180 and i have to push against it it is to say well but surely we don't need drastic measures right

00:18:37.120 to course correct right surely the ship the ship is about to plow straight into the harbor at full

00:18:44.020 steam but we can just do two degrees to starboard right or we can just you know we can but so so my

00:18:51.120 point is, we are at the point in the evangelical church, in our society, in our nation, where

00:18:58.600 things are bad.

00:18:59.520 Things are very bad.

00:19:01.180 And we will not course correct with the same institutional approach that got us into this

00:19:09.500 position.

00:19:09.900 It's not just that we've been coasting kind of in an okay direction, we just haven't been

00:19:13.800 able to make any headway to the right or towards more faithful Christianity.

00:19:17.160 We've been moving the opposite direction under the rudder of the institutions that we've been following.

00:19:22.640 And so the respectable, traditional, you know, whatever you want to call that sort of normal, civilized approach to the situation that we're in is not cutting it.

00:19:32.860 It hasn't been cutting it for a long time.

00:19:34.880 And we need people who will drag us in the opposite direction.

00:19:39.340 And the thing is, there's a lot of us who will look at the people like Joel, like others that we're going to mention here in a minute, and we'll say, I'm glad they're doing it.

00:19:48.800 I just hope that I don't have to have an opinion on the subject.

00:19:53.800 Right.

00:19:54.160 Right?

00:19:54.680 Yep.

00:19:55.380 Well said.

00:19:56.320 Real quick, I wanted to read a couple tweets that I sent to you guys that I put out a couple days ago, because I think it helps articulate the overarching principle.

00:20:05.200 And then what we're going to do is in the second segment, we want to get into not just talking about this ministry, but talking about some other guys that we feel like play this role well and are worthy of your prayer and your support if you're able to do it.

00:20:22.580 if you're somebody who has some kind of insulation where you can publicly support them without

00:20:27.440 losing your livelihood. And then for many, even if you're in a situation where you have to be

00:20:34.240 careful in terms of your public profile, guys who are still worthy of your prayer and your

00:20:40.740 financial support. Because ultimately, all these guys that we're going to list, and there's not

00:20:46.700 many of them but we're going to list a few of the best um they um they're they're all they're all

00:20:53.360 uh husbands and fathers like they cannot um they can't do this uh if it if it means not being able

00:21:00.840 to feed their children so the only thing that allows guys to to play the heel uh to play the

00:21:06.200 dark knight you know role um is uh being you know at a practical level is being financially insulated

00:21:13.800 um and there's you know there's different methods of going about that in the province of god and

00:21:18.480 what what god orchestrates in your life you know like like you know to to stretch the analogy a

00:21:24.720 little bit further um part of the reason you know batman was able to do what he was able to do right

00:21:29.760 is because he was a billionaire yeah like that helps right you know like i mean his superpower

00:21:34.280 was um was being rich i mean that's that's you know and i think it's a little bit beyond that

00:21:40.660 Obviously, he was highly disciplined.

00:21:42.540 He worked really hard, all those kinds of things.

00:21:44.880 But it's not a coincidence that Batman didn't turn out to be a single 24-year-old dude who

00:21:53.120 lived in his mom's basement.

00:21:55.500 He turned out to be somebody who was extremely wealthy.

00:21:59.880 He was financially independent, independently wealthy.

00:22:03.740 And that afforded him the ability to do what he did.

00:22:06.840 And there's different ways of being independently wealthy where you're not relying on some major Fortune 500 company to ultimately send you a check every other week to pay your mortgage and for groceries for your kids to be able to eat.

00:22:24.800 a guy who works at some woke company, and most companies are woke, he is not going to be able

00:22:35.320 to do the things that some of these guys are doing. And so, anyways, I wrote the following.

00:22:40.540 I know my approach often gets me in trouble. Believe it or not, I'm really not trying to

00:22:44.620 self-sabotage. I'm simply trying to accept my assignment and play my part faithfully for the

00:22:50.680 glory of Christ and the advancement of his kingdom. There are plenty of guys who are actually

00:22:55.460 super-based, very courageous, much more than they publicly reveal. However, they are company men,

00:23:02.820 and that's not inherently a bad thing. I don't mean that as an insult, not in this context.

00:23:08.160 Look, if we want to win, we can't just abandon every institution. Someone has to strategically

00:23:14.020 fight for the winnable institutions. Some institutions do need to be abandoned,

00:23:18.380 but some are winnable. For example, I put OPC, PCA, SBC, etc. And they need to be able to fight

00:23:26.780 for these winnable institutions from the inside. I have nothing but respect for these men. I just

00:23:32.780 accepted years ago that I'm not that guy. I don't have an official seminary degree, never claimed

00:23:38.100 to, and I've never been a part of an official denomination, even as a child. My dad was a pastor,

00:23:44.580 It was always non-denominational.

00:23:47.000 The closest I got was being a part of a couple, you know, church networks.

00:23:50.260 Acts 29 was an example.

00:23:51.680 We left in 2018 because it was woke, so I pulled the church out.

00:23:56.820 But that's the closest I've gotten to institutionalized, you know, and in other words, that's not very close.

00:24:03.620 I'm independent, and only because of the incredible generosity of so many of you financially supporting Right Response Ministries and, I would also say, our local church.

00:24:13.340 can I afford to play the heel, a.k.a. the Dark Knight of Christendom. But this is the key.

00:24:20.740 The good guys who are company men who need to keep their hands clean, which is completely

00:24:26.180 respectable and permissible to do, are not obligated to join the heels when they're getting

00:24:31.200 dragged by millions of people on the internet. I will always sympathize and respect my brother's

00:24:36.820 decision on this. So this last week, just so you guys know, not once was I thinking,

00:24:43.340 where is everybody, right?

00:24:45.820 All I, I mean, can't a guy simply suggest

00:24:52.280 the public execution of a handful of women?

00:24:54.860 Sheesh, what is the world coming to?

00:24:56.400 Where are you guys?

00:24:57.300 Why don't you have my back? 1.00

00:24:58.640 No, I'm not an idiot. 0.97

00:25:00.060 I realize that that is outside of the Overton window 0.60

00:25:05.300 and where it currently is in the current discourse,

00:25:07.540 public discourse.

00:25:08.800 And there's a lot of good Christian guys

00:25:10.980 who I know agree with me

00:25:12.620 because they know that I was ultimately quoting scripture,

00:25:15.380 that it's a biblical principle,

00:25:17.060 and they agree with me,

00:25:19.220 but that clip went so viral and got so many views.

00:25:25.140 Over 5 million, just for context.

00:25:26.900 Over 5 million, yeah.

00:25:28.140 So not like viral by reform standards.

00:25:32.280 We always forget how small we are.

00:25:33.800 It's like 150, 200,000 people,

00:25:36.860 and it's all this echo chamber,

00:25:38.160 and we're all fighting on the conference circuit

00:25:40.400 to, you know, who's going to get, you know, the total market share of 8,000 people coming to

00:25:45.580 their conference, you know, like, whoa, you know, big deal. And meanwhile, you know, Charlie Kirk

00:25:51.540 with TPUSA is like chuckling, you know, laughing, like, that's cute, you know, and Tucker Carlson.

00:25:57.000 Yeah, exactly. And so that, you know, what we're trying to do, just for the record, is beyond just

00:26:02.600 the Reformed world. That is our tradition theologically and historically. We love our

00:26:07.260 Reformed Fathers. We are confessionally Reformed, but even now, I'm doing everything that I can to

00:26:15.180 partner and reach out to a lot of solid guys who are outside the Reformed tradition, and some of

00:26:21.020 them, not many, it would be about a minority, but some of them are even outside the Protestant

00:26:24.820 tradition. I think of Charles Haywood. Talk about a dark knight. He's one of the ones that we can,

00:26:30.240 you know, the soap baron, you know, like he's independently wealthy, made a massive, you know,

00:26:35.760 shampoo company uh in the as a distributor and then was able to sell it and now um can say

00:26:42.280 whatever he wants with impunity and he does and here's the thing um he could say anything he wants

00:26:49.380 and and yet he still is self-controlled and he's not unhinged he's intense he's he's shocking for

00:26:58.680 your average norming um the worthy house by the way check him out we've had him on the show a

00:27:03.420 times and of course the reformed guys get mad but you had uh because he's eastern orthodox yeah you

00:27:08.940 had an eastern orthodox yeah uh what did i have him on the show to do to talk about justification

00:27:13.080 by faith right no no i had him on the show to talk about politics i'd like to have more reformed guys

00:27:19.440 but guess what all the reformed guys have spurned and cast off completely the political theology of

00:27:25.380 all the reformed fathers so sorry i have to go outside of the reformed tradition if i'm talking

00:27:30.180 to people who are currently alive because within the reformed tradition of people currently alive

00:27:34.760 all the currently living reformed guys hate reformed political theology right yeah that's

00:27:41.080 not my fault i didn't make that decision you know so anyways charles haywood is you know he's one of

00:27:45.200 the good ones so the good guys who are company men uh which is not inherently a bad thing they

00:27:49.960 need to keep their hands clean they did not come to my rescue this last week and um and that is

00:27:55.160 perfectly understandable, perfectly understandable. Some of these guys, they've got a job. If they

00:28:00.400 had retweeted that, they would have risked being fired. They can't do it. And this is the thing,

00:28:09.860 there's a difference between our radicals and ideologues. What we're not advocating, even I,

00:28:14.620 believe it or not, you think I'm radical, I'm not an ideologue.

00:28:17.140 Joel, you should explain the difference between those two real quick.

00:28:19.560 okay um so so an ideologue is somebody who it's kind of a one-size-fits-all an overgeneralization

00:28:27.220 with uh regardless of the circumstances so whatever god providentially puts in our path

00:28:31.840 no matter what it is it's um it's always got to be um it's always got to be the the same kind of

00:28:37.800 solution i'm going to stick to this no matter what and if anything changes um you know it doesn't 0.93

00:28:43.280 matter uh the ideologue is often um what i think it was francis who you know beautiful losers

00:28:48.880 um the guy who it's literally a book uh i think oh um uh you mean uh that's schaefer no no no no

00:28:57.120 no the there's a guy you'll have to deep end a little bit yeah probably um but francis chan

00:29:03.920 no no no no no no no no no that's uh no it's it's not a pastor it's a political guy he wrote he wrote

00:29:10.580 a book called uh beautiful losers i want to say sam francis but um isn't that who's i i'm going

00:29:17.880 way um so anyways but uh the point is like um the going back to abolitionism um that that is one

00:29:25.240 that would be an example of where i'm not uh what i would consider um to be ideological um that you

00:29:31.900 know the idea i ideologic uh ideological um mentalities uh often is a one-size-fits-all

00:29:39.300 so like like for instance and i bought into some of this um two three years ago um where i i was

00:29:46.080 coming out of of you know some of my my normie apathy and uh and and and then what you do is you

00:29:52.680 think um this is it this is the ticket i remember thinking eschatology yeah um so you know like a

00:29:58.720 lot of us you guys who follow this ministry it probably a lot of you had had the same idea and

00:30:02.940 you a lot of you probably got it from me um you know and it wasn't unique to me i got it from

00:30:07.720 doug wilson from others you know from um guys like brian silvey and all and it's like you know

00:30:13.560 here's the ticket. The problem is dispensational premillennialism. And that's really everything

00:30:20.120 can be faulted there. Everything can be tracked back to dispensational premillennialism. The

00:30:25.900 world, Jesus is going to come back next Thursday, and things are destined by God to get worse and

00:30:30.700 worse until he does come back. And the only thing that has really any value in kind of working as

00:30:37.600 a catalyst to speed up the return of Christ is global missions. So we're not going to leave an

00:30:43.340 inheritance to our children. We're going to give it to David Platt instead. And we're going to sell

00:30:49.840 our house and not have a mortgage and not build any wealth. And we're actually going to, in many

00:30:55.300 ways, distance ourselves from political power, from institutional power, from money, from all

00:31:02.040 these different things. And just be a, instead of a tax farm, we'll be a tithe farm for global

00:31:09.060 missions. Meanwhile, our own nation is becoming increasingly atheist. And I think it is true.

00:31:16.940 That still rings true. I can say, yeah, a lot of what happened in America in its downgrade,

00:31:22.840 which has happened before World War II, just for the record. But since World War II,

00:31:27.440 I think there was an even further expediting of this downward spiral, this denigration.

00:31:33.020 and i think a big part of it was uh after two world wars a lot of guys came back and there is

00:31:39.480 no god yeah there can't be this much suffering in the in the world um and and if there is a god

00:31:45.400 um it's the disby premillennial one it's that god it's the one where things get worse and worse and

00:31:51.000 then jesus finally comes back in the bottom of the ninth and saves the day as the church is on

00:31:55.180 the ropes about to tap out and um it's if there's any god that exists at all is that god and so a

00:32:00.960 lot of people and so from the 1940s onward for the last 80 years especially the last 60 years

00:32:05.740 um that's where we've been but here's my point um i then took that and there's a lot of truth in it

00:32:11.860 but i tried to make it a dogma an absolute truth so the only good guys are post-millennial you know

00:32:17.980 um the only answer to all of our problems is just having the right eschatology it's a single

00:32:24.000 variable analysis of all things exactly and then but then come to find out as i you know stepped

00:32:30.620 into that post-millennial world, and just for the record, to put everybody at ease, I have no

00:32:35.780 intention of leaving. I really am, because I really became convinced of it exegetically from

00:32:40.140 the biblical text. So I am post-millennial, and I'm not ashamed of it, but here's what I

00:32:45.740 realized. At first, it was like, oh my goodness, this is the golden ticket. Run home, Charlie.

00:32:49.320 And then I realized a couple years in, oh, you can be post-millennial and still be just as

00:32:55.620 apathetic. So instead of Jesus coming back next Thursday, therefore, I don't really need to do

00:32:59.800 anything except for personal evangelism. Jesus is now coming back 50,000 years from now.

00:33:06.120 But in terms of on the ground, the way that that applies is actually, you know, corporate needs you

00:33:12.600 to tell the difference between these two pictures. It's the same picture in terms of practical day-to-day

00:33:17.000 living. How you live if everything's going to burn and Jesus is coming back next week

00:33:22.640 and it's not supposed to get better versus how you live if everything's going to get better but

00:33:27.820 50,000 years from now. And, you know, and it's basically the same. That's the way you live is

00:33:35.820 the same. It can be. It can be. And so my point is, that's a good example of ideology. I think

00:33:42.020 abolitionism can be ideological. Some of those guys are not that way. Some of them are. That

00:33:47.280 would be the difference of guys who would wear the moniker, like me, or A.D. Robles, or Andrew

00:33:53.580 risker or um you know some of the organ guys that would say yeah like like we are abolitionists in

00:33:59.180 the sense that we believe in equal weights and equal measures um we we believe there should be

00:34:04.660 just bills uh that is you know you can't say well you can murder your baby on wednesday but not on

00:34:10.380 thursday um we believe in equal protections so we we do believe uh that that the woman who chooses

00:34:17.720 to murder her child um that she should uh receive capital punishment that that's a just law and any

00:34:23.160 man in her life a father or a husband or a boyfriend or whatever that coerces her um in that

00:34:28.500 he too would receive uh the death penalty and so that that is our position um but um where does it

00:34:36.060 apply it's like um it's like whack-a-mole you know uh like uh uh where it's it's just the you know or

00:34:42.780 not even whack-a-mole but like if if all you have is a hammer everything looks like a nail

00:34:46.900 so it's like i think abolitionism is true um i don't uh i don't think um on november 5th

00:34:54.360 i'm not thinking i'm an abolitionist i i'm and i'm also not thinking on no november 5th um

00:35:00.900 i'm post-millennial i'm thinking on november 5th as most days of my life um i'm a christian

00:35:07.700 it's it's much broader and not this narrow ideological dogma that uh is a one-size-fits-all

00:35:15.240 where all I have is a hammer.

00:35:16.840 I have multiple tools.

00:35:18.360 I looked over there

00:35:19.080 because I have a toolbox over there,

00:35:20.180 but multiple tools in my toolbox.

00:35:22.260 And sometimes it's a hammer

00:35:23.580 and sometimes it's something else.

00:35:24.940 So I think that's the idea of,

00:35:27.020 but the radical piece is in every scenario,

00:35:31.080 always saying, okay,

00:35:33.420 where does reasonable discourse end?

00:35:35.880 What's the furthest edge?

00:35:37.740 And then trying to push that edge

00:35:40.520 a little bit further,

00:35:41.300 so long as we're still actually off

00:35:44.800 of what the Bible would say is right.

00:35:47.100 And pushing, so constantly pushing the edge,

00:35:49.620 but I'm not always pushing the edge with a hammer.

00:35:53.420 Sometimes it's a screwdriver.

00:35:54.760 Sometimes it's some other tool.

00:35:56.620 And it's not just, well, post-mill, post-mill,

00:35:58.660 you know, abolitionism, abolition.

00:36:00.420 It's, no, the Bible's a big book.

00:36:02.680 Christianity is a rich faith and applying all those things.

00:36:06.920 I have a thought, Michael.

00:36:08.080 Anything to add before the break?

00:36:09.740 I was just gonna say, I was in the military for four years.

00:36:11.880 And what's interesting about the military

00:36:12.880 is we've used the idea of a beachhead before you can imagine the enemy's position the enemy's

00:36:17.940 strength as a beachhead and you have a landing force your main landing force 40 50 000 people

00:36:23.900 strong that's that's where the main firepower is you're not going to send you know some seals in

00:36:28.720 there whatever but there's different stages of your advanced force there's even a concept in

00:36:32.820 the military not a concept but an actual thing called deniable operations there are guys that

00:36:37.600 are so top secret that you send them in and if they die or they get captured the united states

00:36:41.680 government they would deny that they exist and you would have a group like the navy seals which

00:36:45.940 the government would not would acknowledge but they're not landing on the beach with the main

00:36:49.760 force they're not tasked with the whole big mission then you have a you know a broader more

00:36:54.080 advanced force which would be like rangers or marine force recon and then you have the actual

00:36:58.300 landing force the big guns your artillery the navy and everything like that and so it could be

00:37:02.160 helpful sometimes to think of different groups and different guys in those type of categories

00:37:06.020 the main force is going to be the one that demolishes the enemy in the final analysis

00:37:11.440 But before you're landing the main force, you're prepping the area.

00:37:14.460 You're sabotaging their artillery.

00:37:15.940 You're getting into their comms.

00:37:17.320 You're intercepting transmissions.

00:37:18.900 You're doing all of these things ahead of time at different scale with different groups.

00:37:22.300 Some of them you're not even acknowledging they exist.

00:37:24.360 All of them preparing the way so that, for example, it's time to come against the idea of racism.

00:37:30.260 Matt Walsh, Am I a Racist?

00:37:31.760 There's guys that have been laying the groundwork for like eight years.

00:37:34.740 Hey, this idea of racism comes from critical race theory, which is a very secular and progressive origin.

00:37:39.180 those guys got castigated for it they were small they didn't have support some of them i don't even

00:37:44.480 know that they exist but but by the time that they'd done enough work a group like the daily

00:37:49.120 wire normally conservative makes a documentary that is the top 40 grossing documentary of all

00:37:54.880 time right that movie could not come have come out five years ago in 2019 they would have lost

00:37:59.720 subscribers people would not have gone to see it daily wire has gone too far instead they put it

00:38:04.860 out at the right time made millions of dollars tons of people saw it and it changed the conversation

00:38:10.700 like hey hang on maybe we have been guilted a little bit by this but the point is that all

00:38:14.420 these different stages you have groups that are preparing the landing uh for the main force we've

00:38:19.440 talked about this with you know mainstream evangelicalism whatever it is that actually

00:38:23.520 have the firepower that are going to do most damage and i guess i will add something there

00:38:27.200 Wes and that is people who don't realize that we are in that sort of war are the ones who get

00:38:35.580 really nervous about some of those recon people or the seals or the black ops and so either you

00:38:47.880 don't realize that we're in a war of that nature right now for the soul of our nation and the

00:38:52.360 evangelical church in the west or you don't think that there's anything that can be done apart from

00:38:59.280 praying and fasting exactly right and so if that's you you don't realize that we're in this kind of a

00:39:04.580 war or you're convinced that nothing that we do matters anyway then yes of course you're going to

00:39:09.160 be very very nervous about all of this right on the other hand if you believe that god has given

00:39:14.620 us means no one's perfect no one has a crystal ball no one knows exactly what's around the corner

00:39:19.340 but God has given us means, and that it's noble and honorable to fight for our faith and for our

00:39:24.260 nation, then yes, some people are going to have to be out in front, and some people are not.

00:39:29.000 Right. Yeah, not everybody's going to be out front, but everybody who's a part of the team

00:39:34.600 should appreciate the guys who are out front. The guys who are out front are already going to get

00:39:40.760 plenty of vitriol and pushback. The last thing they need is their own team shooting them in

00:39:48.360 the back ending rope to the enemy you caught some spies we'll help you hang them right well 0.98

00:39:52.540 my god yeah exactly and so like that's yeah on on the wokeness thing real quick am i racist with 0.94

00:39:57.620 matt walsh um just to to name a couple guys worthy of honor ady robles and john harris yeah um led

00:40:04.260 led the way with that like so like meg basham you know shepherds for uh shepherds for sale um

00:40:10.340 i i enjoyed um her book best uh the first time i read it when john harris wrote it

00:40:16.440 years ahead of time right and here's the thing like um you need a john harris so that one day 0.79

00:40:23.120 um a suburban blonde uh mom can uh can take down all the big daily wire ties yeah with 1.00

00:40:30.280 institutional ties exactly um so you're gonna have a blonde haired suburban mom 1.00

00:40:35.680 um with ties to the daily wire take down single-handedly

00:40:40.440 seemingly single-handedly take down um all the big eva right making a mockery of jd greer making

00:40:48.960 a mockery of all these different guys the ortlands and praise the ortlands and praise god for it i'm

00:40:54.960 on the sidelines just watching it's glorious i love it however um my deepest appreciation will

00:41:02.540 always go to uh 80 robles and john harris yeah the guys who did it first um i've said this so 0.94

00:41:09.200 many times but it i think it it merits saying it again um israel always killed the prophets

00:41:15.080 but they didn't kill the prophets for being right they killed the prophets for being first

00:41:21.160 and it's like what do you mean uh no they killed him because they disagreed with the truth that

00:41:26.540 they were speaking um they they killed him because they were right um well that truth that they were

00:41:32.400 speaking all of of the people who killed those prophets all of their sons generations down the

00:41:38.600 line all claimed to love that truth right they built tombs to honor the prophets of course of

00:41:44.740 course jeremiah was a prophet of course he spoke the truth we you know and uh we we agree with him

00:41:51.000 100 um eventually that's how it always works that's how it always works anytime something

00:41:57.860 changes politically culturally anytime there's big change eventually what'll happen is is when

00:42:03.960 you know you have victory when um when people well you know you have victory when conservatives

00:42:09.900 or when i should say progressives feel the way conservatives feel right now how do conservatives

00:42:15.720 feel right now scared i can't say that that's what we want right but in the other direction

00:42:22.840 right right like somebody said like the other day he was uh you know on on x you know he's

00:42:28.700 sodomite and uh it was like well i i'm for freedom and blah blah blah and i said well

00:42:34.800 uh and he's like my uh my ancestors have been here since the revolutionary war and they fought

00:42:40.080 for my freedom i said um i guarantee you not one of your ancestors died uh for you to have the 0.92

00:42:45.500 freedom of having butt sex with another dude that's number one and secondly though i saw you 0.99

00:42:50.520 know in in the comments with other guys and then i just you know that was enough i gave i dropped my 0.98

00:42:54.620 bomb and got out um but with other guys i saw uh people saying like well um if you know because

00:43:01.120 they were christian nationalists talking about like this is what we envision for a god-fearing

00:43:04.880 country that would be good for all people even non-christians would fare better um and and he

00:43:10.120 was like it wouldn't be better um it wouldn't be better for me right uh what what would be uh what

00:43:15.720 would happen to me and somebody said on it and it was so wise and and truthful and wise and good

00:43:22.140 He said, what would happen to you is that you would have to go back into the closet, and you could maintain your filthy, degenerate habit privately in darkness and secret, but with a shame, knowing that if you come out into the public sphere with that, that you would receive certain penalties, cultural penalties, and by God's grace, eventually, civil penalties.

00:43:50.240 as we have had in these United States

00:43:52.640 not that long ago on the books,

00:43:54.600 still technically on the books in Texas.

00:43:56.760 You know how there were certain laws

00:43:57.780 that like when Roe got overturned,

00:43:59.420 it revert back to these trigger laws.

00:44:01.560 There are trigger laws still on the books

00:44:04.780 against sodomy and these kinds of things.

00:44:07.180 And so we're talking about something

00:44:08.260 that has been done before.

00:44:09.900 It's been done here before,

00:44:11.220 and it's been done not that long ago before.

00:44:14.340 And that doesn't mean, just for the record,

00:44:16.440 that doesn't mean that you're going

00:44:17.600 and you're hunting.

00:44:19.460 Rounding them up.

00:44:20.040 yeah you're not going into people's homes it's not the thought police the secret it's not a

00:44:24.840 minority report you know with uh tom cruise like trying to predict a crime before it happens or

00:44:29.580 find a secret but what you are saying is um uh public parades right parades in in new york city 0.56

00:44:37.920 with guys shaking their genitals in the faces of children yeah yeah that one that one uh you're

00:44:45.780 going to jail yep of course you're going to jail but that is like and i pray for that day and any 0.70

00:44:52.700 christian who doesn't pray for that day and as the whole point of this episode work in practical ways

00:44:57.780 towards that day either as a company man kind of behind the scenes a little bit or as a dark night

00:45:03.840 radical um if if you're a christian you're not praying and working toward that day um then

00:45:10.340 And at best, you're an immature believer that doesn't really understand the Scripture and its application.

00:45:18.220 So all this means that whether it's wokeness, John Harris and A.D. Robles fought the good fight.

00:45:24.900 And it was guys like them, they weren't the only ones, but they were very few, very few.

00:45:29.140 I joined in the fray towards the end of 2018.

00:45:33.580 And I remember thinking, man, I remember feeling embarrassed.

00:45:37.160 Like, man, I'm late.

00:45:38.260 you know and little did i know you know that uh what i didn't count and here's the reality i was

00:45:45.300 late and i think a lot of that shame was good i i was like i had a sneaking suspicion sooner and i

00:45:50.460 should have been more educated sooner so i really was late and some of the shame i i felt i think

00:45:55.340 actually was holy spirit wrought conviction um the only reason it doesn't look as bad now is not

00:46:01.140 because i didn't really make a mistake not because i really wasn't late um i only look decent by

00:46:06.380 comparison because you can always count on 99 of evangelicals being worse you know that's the only

00:46:12.440 reason joel looks like a hero you know is um because because the lay of the land is just in

00:46:17.980 such poor shape so anyways yeah you need you need your radicals and those are guys worthy of support

00:46:24.240 seriously not not just us but um you guys should you should consider um right now if you're listening

00:46:30.760 you should consider going and making a donation uh to john harris go to conversations that matter

00:46:35.820 or go to truth script that's his organization that him and uh his brother david harris are

00:46:40.700 trying to get off the ground um you should get behind those guys it's like well i don't know

00:46:45.900 if they're really making i don't know if true script is making uh that much headway um well

00:46:51.060 i'll tell you what it is doing uh true script is um is paving the way so that uh so that the daily

00:46:59.040 wire five to eight years later can go and uh and drop 40 50 000 soldiers on the beach and and take

00:47:07.200 it out like you you don't we we do not yet realize the importance of the beachhead we don't yet

00:47:14.920 realize the importance of your first you know the first soldiers that you send onto the field

00:47:21.180 because if no one's first then no one will come at all the reason why the prophets were killed

00:47:26.100 back to that it's not because they were right because later on that became common knowledge

00:47:30.280 in israel of course isaiah is right of course jeremiah is right we never would have said he

00:47:34.500 was wrong yeah you would how and this is how you know um everybody who's like uh we would have we

00:47:40.460 would have stood up against the transatlantic slave trade right um well did uh have you are

00:47:45.980 you standing up right now against anti-white discrimination right on the books in our

00:47:49.860 universities uh because if you're not you would have been um you would have been for slavery i

00:47:55.520 was going to say you'd be a slave owner but honestly you probably wouldn't because most of 0.95

00:47:59.180 the slave owners were successful and you'd probably be a loser and wouldn't be able to 0.51

00:48:03.400 you know to force it but you would have been for slavery guaranteed if you're not standing up now

00:48:08.640 you wouldn't have stood up then that's jesus's point yeah that's what he those are the words

00:48:13.560 of christ metric that's what he says is your father's killed the prophets and how do i know

00:48:17.840 that you would have joined them if you live back then and killing jeremiah and isaiah because

00:48:21.560 you're trying to now kill me yep and so that's what generations always do charles spurgeon the

00:48:27.820 downgrade controversy he was censured by his denomination a vote of something like 1004 to 5

00:48:34.240 because he raised the alarm about hey when we do missions we can't downgrade our theology just you

00:48:39.480 know build a church build a school and so about it was five votes including his own brother against

00:48:43.840 him five to 1000 about at the end of his life so well five no smaller it would be uh like half of

00:48:52.340 a percent half of a percent so half a percent sided with him and then 99 and a half percent

00:48:58.520 sided against so just take the lay of the land all right apply that to current baptists if anything

00:49:03.080 the vote would be even worse now i'll be way worse but we love charles spurgeon and rightfully so

00:49:07.760 Because this is what we love. 0.74

00:49:10.780 This is who cowards love. 0.95

00:49:12.940 Cowards love people who are safe. 0.93

00:49:16.200 And courage is never safe.

00:49:18.420 I think of Aslan, the Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe.

00:49:22.640 Like, is Aslan safe?

00:49:24.880 He's a lion.

00:49:25.860 Of course he isn't safe.

00:49:27.160 But he's good.

00:49:27.840 He's good.

00:49:28.480 He's good. 0.84

00:49:30.240 But cowards don't love good men.

00:49:34.280 They love safe men.

00:49:35.420 and good men are never safe truly good men are masculine men and and and true godly biblical

00:49:44.920 masculinity is not safe it's good it's honest it's virtuous but it's also in in every right

00:49:55.400 sense of the term dangerous it's righteously dangerous now you can though cowards can 0.96

00:50:02.380 appreciate good men once one significant factor comes into play um once they've been safely buried

00:50:09.060 six feet under dirt right because then that good man is now safe and that's why people love charles

00:50:15.400 spurgeon if charles spurgeon my brother in christ if charles spurgeon was alive today yeah you would

00:50:20.760 hate him the you would hate co-author friedrich engels of the communist manifesto i went and

00:50:25.380 looked this up i didn't just take someone's word for it his daughter on his deathbed was asking

00:50:29.060 him different questions and she asked him who do you hate most yeah this is the co-author with

00:50:33.200 carl marx of the communist manifesto one word he said spurgeon yep the man who authored that 0.98

00:50:39.740 the heinous piece of trash he hated yeah that preacher in london yeah and notice this isn't 0.95

00:50:46.160 just um an eighth an atheist on religious or anti-religious grounds saying i hate spurgeon 0.99

00:50:52.680 because he convinces people that there's a god no this is a political figure right with real

00:50:58.360 political institutional tangible power not just arguing about religion and theory and theology

00:51:04.620 but someone who believed that material is all that mattered yeah somebody who absolutely

00:51:10.160 cares about the tangible temporal things of this world and he was saying this baptist preacher

00:51:17.800 makes things really difficult for me yeah this guy makes it really hard for me to be able to

00:51:25.080 in a wicked fashion accrue temporal earthly power.

00:51:29.680 Think about that today.

00:51:31.340 How many, like, so do the equivalent.

00:51:34.960 Who would say that?

00:51:36.940 Would Bernie Sanders on his deathbed,

00:51:38.740 if somebody, who do you hate the most?

00:51:40.380 Would he say, I want to be careful here

00:51:43.540 because I don't want to name guys.

00:51:48.480 I'll just keep it general.

00:51:49.700 If Bernie Sanders on his deathbed,

00:51:52.000 who wants America to become a socialist hellhole.

00:51:57.980 That's his dying passion.

00:51:59.540 That's literally what he's done with his life.

00:52:01.900 On his deathbed, if someone said,

00:52:04.080 who was the biggest impediment to you?

00:52:07.520 Who do you despise with every fiber of your being?

00:52:10.860 Do you think he's going to say

00:52:12.340 the reformed pastors of America?

00:52:17.820 Nancy Pelosi is fine

00:52:19.720 with the Reformed pastors of America.

00:52:22.360 She's even fine with the Catholic Church. 0.81

00:52:24.180 Because they do nothing. 0.51

00:52:26.820 Nothing.

00:52:27.560 You know who they're not fine with?

00:52:28.920 And this is an indictment.

00:52:30.500 It is to our shame as Christians.

00:52:32.200 Who they're not fine with is a guy who just realized in 2022

00:52:38.780 that Democrats might not be the party of compassion and kindness.

00:52:44.720 Elon Musk. 0.98

00:52:45.700 elon musk the dumbest smart guy who's maybe ever lived he's got to be smart i recognize his into 0.99

00:52:55.400 but he's also got to be dumb you're talking about a guy who um he he literally tweeted out i remember 0.99

00:53:03.560 it was 2022 this is like two years ago and he's like um when he came out as you know conservative 0.98

00:53:10.580 if even that right you know broadly republican support just right but he came out and he was

00:53:16.700 like um i i this will be the first time that i will not be voting democrat um i always voted

00:53:22.380 for them in the past because i i thought that democrats were the party of kindness

00:53:25.920 and compassion right it's literally what he said yeah imagine 2022 thinking that the democrat

00:53:32.040 party that burned down half of the country and mostly peaceful riots um that they were the party

00:53:38.120 of kindness and compassion like and and this isn't like somebody who realized in 2022 because they

00:53:43.360 were 14 this is a grown right right right connected connected grown man a connect yeah so

00:53:48.900 my point is um and yet this guy okay so beat up elon enough probably but yet this guy who just

00:53:57.880 realized that maybe democrats aren't the good guys um two years ago realized that uh this guy

00:54:04.980 he's making more trouble for democrats today than just about anybody else and he's doing it because

00:54:12.720 of power yeah striker's right because uh what did he say elon has real power most of the reform

00:54:19.860 baptist churches don't have the level of power that he has right so he has real power but here's

00:54:24.740 the thing most most christians don't have power it's one thing if we just couldn't help it it's

00:54:29.600 like well look we can't do as much as elon because we don't have a trillion dollars fair point

00:54:35.040 But what I would want to ask is why?

00:54:37.620 Because it's one thing if it's simply just written in the stars

00:54:41.680 and there's nothing that you can do about it.

00:54:43.200 But I want to argue, I think that it's fair to argue,

00:54:47.800 that Elon, yes, of course he has more power, 1.00

00:54:50.740 more money and influence and power than Christians today. 1.00

00:54:54.540 But I think there's a reason why. 1.00

00:54:56.360 I think Christians have abdicated power. 1.00

00:54:58.380 Absolutely.

00:54:58.780 That we all, myself included, could have been more powerful

00:55:02.540 if from a young age

00:55:04.260 we didn't read books like Radical

00:55:06.200 I mean Radical

00:55:08.220 like Bernie Sanders

00:55:10.740 on his deathbed he's going to say

00:55:12.120 who do you hate most?

00:55:13.920 Elon Musk

00:55:14.880 who do you appreciate most?

00:55:16.680 David Platt

00:55:17.300 like if there's anyone

00:55:19.220 who got millions of people in the country

00:55:21.640 to willingly give up power

00:55:24.760 give away your money

00:55:26.200 give away your prestige

00:55:27.320 give away your influence

00:55:28.540 give away your institutions

00:55:29.720 give away everything

00:55:31.000 so that the Marxist

00:55:32.220 and socialists like bernie sanders can just run freely over the whole country and have it all yeah

00:55:37.680 i mean very few people deserve more credit for that than david platt yeah yeah i mean that guy

00:55:42.760 i don't know maybe bernie sanders paid him maybe i don't like he should he should be getting

00:55:46.840 royalties yeah uh he should be getting royalties for his book radical from communists they should

00:55:53.300 be paying the root because very few uh have have paved the way for communists more right than

00:55:57.960 than David Platt. Let's get to this quote. It's from Saul Alinsky. It's really good. Again,

00:56:01.960 he's a leftist radical, but he has good things about power. And then we'll head to a commercial

00:56:05.420 break. Do you have that quote, Nate? All right. So Saul Alinsky says, change comes from power

00:56:10.920 and power comes from organization. In order to act, people must get together. Power is the reason

00:56:17.180 for being of organizations. You bring people together, you coalesce them, not so you can have

00:56:23.080 tea not so you can smoke cigars to change things to drive power to exert your will a godly will

00:56:30.060 and a goodwill uh but your will nonetheless let's go to our first commercial break and then we'll

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00:59:04.160 All right, welcome back.

00:59:05.620 so we talked about why you need your radicals you need guys that are pushing the envelope they need

00:59:09.740 to be financially stable and independent to be able to do what they do here's the deal and it

00:59:14.360 took me a while to realize this um you need your company men to and what we mean by that again

00:59:19.240 it's not an integration it's not a negativity thing take an organization there's a principle

00:59:24.000 in statistics called the pareto principle which is 20 of anything typically does 80 of the work

00:59:30.000 of the resources of this that or the other in any given company on average not every single case

00:59:35.020 There's about 20% of people that will do the bulk, about 80% of the work.

00:59:39.520 And so the same way, if you think about a church or a parachurch organization or a ministry or a business or a political group,

00:59:46.240 80% of the research, the fundraising, the energy, the effort, the creating content, doing all that,

00:59:53.940 is going to be done not actually typically by radicals, the entrepreneurs, and the guys pushing the conversation.

00:59:59.960 They're going to be done by good, faithful, stable, godly men.

01:00:03.640 And this isn't comparing, well, there's the radicals, and then there's the boring guys.

01:00:08.020 No, you need those men.

01:00:09.960 You need them all over the place.

01:00:11.240 You need them on elder boards.

01:00:12.720 You need them in your business, showing up to work on time every day.

01:00:16.280 You need them in ministry, maybe not necessarily as leaders, not the ones leading the initiatives,

01:00:22.000 not the one making decisions, all of the decisions, but the good company men, especially ones

01:00:26.700 that are embedded, like we talked about, PCA, the OPC, Presbyterian church structures, those

01:00:32.360 men, they could be kicked out of the PCA, lose their income for publicly supporting you, or they

01:00:39.660 could spend 20 years sitting on committees, sitting on sessions, interviewing seminary candidates for

01:00:44.900 ministry, and bringing all their beliefs that they agree with and applying them practically.

01:00:50.120 So as you're thinking about the radicals and the guys that, you know, they're a little tough to be

01:00:54.360 associated with, don't also forget that we need tons of stable guys, tons of company men that are

01:01:01.080 good solid faithful men and who are just behind those radicals who are the beachhead like that

01:01:07.880 40 to 50 000 we talked about that that comes and lands on the beach and actually secures it okay

01:01:12.540 maybe your special ops team is 50 or 100 or whatever but by by proportion it's mostly made

01:01:18.780 up of regiments your corporals your sergeants the rank and file guys and so if god made you to be a

01:01:25.840 radical this is what i'll say if god made you to be the radical praise god play that role but if

01:01:30.720 he didn't you don't have to force it if god made you to be the company man and to work hard at the

01:01:35.740 nine to five or whatever it is uh the the godliest thing you could do is to do that thing that god

01:01:41.320 has given you and not try to manufacture a personality or something to be the radical

01:01:45.740 that is an honorable role praise god for the radicals uh but there's all the honor as well

01:01:50.340 to be had in um faithfully playing the role god has given you which statistically is going to be

01:01:55.440 80 85 90 percent of you and the majority of you are company men and that's a good thing there's

01:02:00.720 nothing wrong with that so if you're wondering like what am i um am i a radical am i like the

01:02:05.660 majority of people are normal that's why we have the word normal it represents the majority that's

01:02:12.460 who the majority are and so there's nothing wrong with that and um you're able to make real change

01:02:19.660 um but but doing it um in a steady fashion and in a faithful and steady ongoing consistent fashion

01:02:27.520 over long periods of time like if you if you you know like you said if you sit on the board of a

01:02:34.160 seminary or for a denomination and you actually have the ability to send um all these guys who 0.93

01:02:40.600 are coming if somebody else was in your seat in your position of power uh you'd get this marxist

01:02:45.560 on staff and you'd get this uh you know person who's compromised uh and you're able to send

01:02:50.440 those people away and slowly but surely fire certain individuals hiring certain individuals

01:02:54.640 i mean that's what it that it's you know it's back to the the friend enemy distinction

01:02:58.640 of uh rewarding friends and crushing enemies and when we say crushing we don't mean you know as

01:03:03.720 vigil antis as a literal batman in the night going and and killing people um we're saying

01:03:09.700 crushing them um in in every capacity that is fitting with the law of god um meaning uh financially 0.61

01:03:16.880 we want to crush our enemies one way is to not pay uh patron um certain certain companies and

01:03:24.340 certain individuals who are wicked and and want to ruin the country you know so like you have an

01:03:29.800 uh you have the opportunity to reward friends and crush enemies every time uh you spend a dollar

01:03:35.980 every time. So in our vocation, in our spending, in all these different ways,

01:03:43.700 we constantly, culturally, financially, and at times in a civil capacity, those of you who are

01:03:49.960 in a part of the civil magistrate, or if you're a lawyer, or if you're a judge, then yes, you have

01:03:55.060 that ability. You have just the average American citizen. When you sit on a jury and doing your

01:04:00.400 civic duty you have the ability to um to exonerate the innocent and to condemn the wicked um in all

01:04:07.920 these ways we we you know and this is just my point my point is this is your average guy your

01:04:12.920 average guy being faithful day in day out in all these various capacities um and i guess all i'm

01:04:19.900 saying is not it's not even to elevate your radicals um that's not the point of this episode

01:04:24.660 It's not to elevate radicals, and it's not to try to inspire a bunch of 24-year-old men to become radicals and say, that's cool, I want to do that.

01:04:34.440 Because most of you, we need to be company men.

01:04:36.800 Some of you might be radicals, but most of you are going to be good company men.

01:04:41.000 The point of this episode is not to exalt radicals above the company men, and it's not to inspire all the company men to become radicals, because we'll lose that way.

01:04:50.560 That's counterproductive.

01:04:51.520 um if anything my my motive in doing this episode is to say that for those of you who are company

01:04:58.740 men stay as company men be faithful as company men um and um uh but but please um while not

01:05:07.640 being a radical yourself and maybe not even publicly associating with a radical because

01:05:12.540 it might bring heat that you you can't afford um could you please at least commit to not um to not

01:05:19.700 joining in the mob and destroying christian radicals and uh and then for some of you you

01:05:26.780 should consider um not only not destroying uh good righteous radicals but you should uh consider

01:05:33.740 privately in a way that doesn't hurt you privately financially supporting christian radicals so that

01:05:40.240 they can continue um their work because the only way that someone like me can do what i do um is

01:05:49.520 is if I have enough financial insulation by people who are like,

01:05:55.620 yeah, I don't know, Joel, if I could be picked up three to four times

01:06:01.740 every single week by Right Wing Watch that has 600,000, 700,000 followers

01:06:06.380 and get 5 million views every few weeks for something.

01:06:12.500 I don't think I could do that.

01:06:14.360 um uh i don't know if i have the emotional framework to be able to do that without you

01:06:20.120 know being stressed out and i certainly don't have uh economically like i i would lose employment i

01:06:25.660 can't like i can't um do that uh and what we're saying in this episode is we get it of course

01:06:31.440 like most people 80 percent of people can't do that um if anything we know they can't because

01:06:37.900 a little bit of pressure came and they took out the paper and they read the script and they

01:06:41.160 apologized right like that's how it starts we're faithful and little and then you get to the point

01:06:45.100 where you may attract more and more attention a lot of people fold when i mean the first cancel

01:06:49.500 campaign comes for them exactly yeah most people do that's that's what happens is guys will that's

01:06:53.840 a great point is guys will try to be radical and then and then they'll finally step too far

01:06:59.200 and and and the spotlight lands on them and they have their five minutes of of fame and then what

01:07:05.300 you'll see uh the very next week is some kind of public apology struggle session yeah some kind of

01:07:11.460 yeah some kind of public apology and uh you know because they get they get all this pressure for 0.99

01:07:17.500 whatever it is uh you're a misogynist you're um a bigot you're um a racist you're a nazi you know

01:07:26.300 whatever it might be and um and the immediate reaction is um what i've noticed like a lot of 0.98

01:07:33.460 guys who've, and I've watched guys, guys that I think are good guys. They just should have been

01:07:38.380 company met and not pushing the Overton as leaders in the public spotlight. But I've watched guys,

01:07:44.580 even recently, guys that I've met in person, they're good. I think they're good guys. They're

01:07:49.000 Christian men. I'm not questioning, well, you compromised, and so therefore, no, they're good 1.00

01:07:53.500 guys. But I've watched them. Certain heat comes their way, certain pressure, and immediately

01:08:01.340 um you'll see uh this video comes down that episode comes down this one and then all of a

01:08:07.600 sudden you know it's like silence for about a week maybe two and then um and then there's a new

01:08:14.280 installment um where and it's like this guy um very clearly was strapped to a chair you know the

01:08:23.780 i had stapled up and forced to watch you know uh world war ii documentaries for 48 hours straight

01:08:31.440 you know or or um anti whatever racist documentary like um 12 this guy had to watch 12 years of

01:08:40.580 on repeat you know for seven days yeah you had to read uh candy you know or whatever uh what's

01:08:47.180 her name uh robin d'angelo robin d'angelo and uh and it's so clear and that happens often it's sad

01:08:52.920 but that is a regular occurrence and i'm talking again talking good guys these are good these are

01:08:57.920 guys who are above average in terms of resilience and strength these are guys who in many ways are

01:09:03.000 masculine they're strong they would make a great um elder in a church or a local pastor these are

01:09:09.780 good guys and they know the theology but even they um they're like if if the if a certain degree

01:09:16.040 amount of pressure comes like five million views every month you know or every two weeks at this

01:09:22.160 point or it doesn't it's not always the degree of pressure it sometimes it's the type of pressure

01:09:27.580 if much smaller amount of pressure comes from another source a particular source that's maybe

01:09:32.960 closer to home and it hits and it hurts your pastor um they um they it is it's almost like

01:09:40.020 an involuntary uh reaction where immediately they cannot help um whereas what i want to say is there

01:09:46.440 actually are times, just to kind of caveat this, there is such a thing as accountability. And there

01:09:54.140 is such a thing as getting it wrong and sinning and needing to repent. And if the sin was public,

01:10:01.500 there needs to be public repentance. However, I have found, and I don't do this perfectly,

01:10:08.480 you guys pray for me, because I'm continuing to learn. But I have found it is, you have to be so

01:10:15.340 careful and i think you should you should err on hesitancy um if you if you repeat uh publicly

01:10:22.380 repent for something because you really did publicly sin and it comes three weeks later

01:10:26.500 instead of one week later because you wanted to avoid you not repentance but you wanted to avoid

01:10:32.440 a second sin which is called false repentance i think the lord will honor that i really do it's

01:10:38.480 okay for your public apology to come three weeks later instead of one week later and i i have had

01:10:43.860 to do this again and again, where I either get a certain amount of pushback or I get pushback from

01:10:51.260 a certain source. And I've had to go back and re-watch, what did I say? What did I say? And

01:10:57.320 then try as best I can objectively and then talking to other friends. And is this objectively

01:11:03.320 sin? Did I objectively sin or is this just uncomfortable? If it's uncomfortable, if it's

01:11:12.280 only uncomfortable, but it caused just a ton of blowback or blowback from allies who we love,

01:11:20.100 then that might merit a pivot in strategy, okay? I'm going to lay off of that for a little while,

01:11:25.840 or we're going to go a different direction, and that's all fair game, but don't apologize.

01:11:32.640 There is a difference between pivoting and saying, okay, this one got a lot of blowback,

01:11:37.360 and I want to be a radical, but I don't want to be suicidal. There is a difference.

01:11:42.280 I'm not a kamikaze, I want to push the Overton window, but by God's grace, I'd like to do

01:11:47.900 it for 40 years and not just for four more months.

01:11:51.160 And so you can only fight on so many fronts simultaneously.

01:11:54.780 You can't fight on every front.

01:11:57.340 You can't have 17 battles all at once.

01:12:00.220 So there is something to say, like, all right, this thing got a lot of pushback.

01:12:04.440 Let's let it simmer for a little while.

01:12:07.500 There's plenty of other things.

01:12:08.500 We can make people mad about, you know, always dust off the old 19th Amendment, you know,

01:12:14.740 being revoked.

01:12:15.460 You know, that's a fan favorite.

01:12:17.100 You know, there are plenty of things to continue pushing that are faithful to Scripture, and

01:12:21.480 so there are times to pivot.

01:12:22.880 There are times to rest, to breathe, right?

01:12:25.560 There's a difference between false repentance, capitulating, versus resting and redirecting

01:12:32.200 and refocusing.

01:12:33.560 So there's plenty of times to, all right, that was just, I can't handle that level of pushback

01:12:38.860 every single week. I got to refocus and redirect. Fine. Not only is that permissible, I think that's

01:12:46.840 wise. But there's a difference between refocusing or resting or pausing versus false repentance,

01:12:56.220 where the pressure comes, and in the final analysis, you did nothing wrong.

01:13:03.640 And in those moments, you have to be able to just sit in the discomfort,

01:13:12.560 just to be, and I think, I don't know what it is, but by God's grace,

01:13:16.380 I think I got a lot of rejection growing up as a kid, not for my parents.

01:13:23.020 My parents are awesome, but I was adopted,

01:13:24.520 so like the beginning of my life was somebody not wanting me that's how adoption works somebody has

01:13:28.480 to give you up and say we don't want them um so that somebody else takes you uh but my whole life

01:13:33.740 like i remember struggling with you know a root of rejection and and most of my life very

01:13:39.420 uncomfortable very uncomfortable and uh in high school like people would call me bible boy like

01:13:45.260 i always because i was always reading my bible i was kind of a loser you know i was in marching

01:13:50.140 band and theater like i mean it's just like you couldn't you didn't turn out gay exactly yeah 0.80

01:13:54.440 yeah but it's like even if i tried you could you know it'd be i'd be hard-pressed to be a bigger

01:13:59.900 loser um but but my point is early on in life i i just i got comfortable with um a bunch of people

01:14:08.560 calling me names like it was just like okay yeah a lot of people are going to call me names whatever

01:14:14.520 that's okay um be a little bit vulnerable here for a moment but like my whole life also like

01:14:21.660 struggled with my skin. Not the whiteness of my skin, but blemishes, acne. And that has always

01:14:30.200 been something that people have made fun of me for. And so just early on in life, I guess,

01:14:37.720 and pretty much all my adult life, I had to, it was either, I was just going to relegate myself

01:14:43.480 to obscurity, which I genuinely considered at multiple points. Like just, okay, well, one way

01:14:49.120 It's just like, maybe I go be an accountant, you know, and work in a basement, you know,

01:14:52.980 or a cubicle and, you know, my stapler, you know, like the, I just, you know, and everybody

01:14:58.320 leaves me alone.

01:15:00.660 But I didn't want to do that.

01:15:01.840 I wanted to make a difference.

01:15:03.580 I felt the Lord calling me to ministry and I felt the Lord calling me to public ministry

01:15:07.580 where I'm physically in front of people, which is just has been a terrible irony because

01:15:14.400 it's like i i struggled with rejection my whole life um don't like the way i look um don't even

01:15:21.820 like the sound of my own voice um and and and yet i but but i was like i've i want to preach i want

01:15:29.840 to preach i want to preach and so i just did it and just had people make fun of me and had people

01:15:34.800 hate me like brian silvey brian silvey pushes the envelope all the time but it helps when you

01:15:39.960 um when you look like tom bomb bombadil you know and and um and like kind of like almost are almost

01:15:47.580 whistling and chuckling as you talk i meanwhile i'm over here i look like a james bond villain

01:15:52.980 you know like you know and like and there is something to be said for the optics and those

01:15:58.380 kinds of things and so anyways the point is i just had to learn early on but by god's grace

01:16:03.440 everything's providential and i i feel like the lord prepared me for some of this to where it's

01:16:08.600 like every week you know some something goes viral something you know and um and people you

01:16:15.720 know sometimes ask me you know like like how do you how do you sleep at night and the answer is

01:16:20.180 like a baby yeah fantastic like i you know like sleep great uh it's like well what about your wife

01:16:27.660 well um what i do for my wife who is not like me um is i uh i'll keep her in the loop in very

01:16:37.400 general terms i do not uh i do not give my wife um a full update of my day so i ask how was your

01:16:44.740 day oh it was great you know i talked to so-and-so on the phone i wrote a sermon did some uh some

01:16:50.560 study of you know the book of matthew and and you know i had lunch with so-and-so i don't necessarily

01:16:56.320 tell her um uh well um five million people uh wish that i was dead um you know i because my

01:17:05.720 wife does not have the frame to handle that right which is part of the reason why and just for the

01:17:10.320 record i didn't make her do this but my wife wanted to do this and i affirmed it and encouraged it

01:17:15.960 because i think it was wise she said joel uh is it a good idea for me to be on social media

01:17:21.540 and i said uh sweetheart no uh you know uh social media is a terrible it's like billy madison when

01:17:30.280 the little kid says i can't wait to go to high school you know he's like no no like don't do it

01:17:36.460 it's like i can't wait to get on uh on x it's like no sweetheart don't x is a terrible terrible place

01:17:42.620 and uh by the grace of god um please don't ever ever get right and so but but the point is like

01:17:48.640 it takes a unique person not everybody can do that you have to have and the lord i think prepared me

01:17:53.680 for that to where now that like there'll be certain pressure and it's like no no i i went back

01:18:00.520 i i watched the footage i saw what i said in its context um brothers and sisters you cannot be held

01:18:07.640 personally responsible for a left-wing communist organization clipping you out i i did not give a

01:18:16.940 32-second sermon. I gave a 60-minute sermon. I'm not responsible for someone clipping me out of

01:18:23.820 context. And there's a difference between you clipping yourself for just the latest hot take

01:18:29.560 versus enemies clipping you to make it as hot of a take as possible without any of the larger

01:18:36.660 context, without the scripture, without the exegesis, simply to rile up a bunch of people,

01:18:42.080 ultimately, this is their goal, to go and vote for Kamala Harris. Because if you get Joel,

01:18:45.920 you get trump yeah right we wish but that's that's not the case so that like all that being

01:18:51.120 said the point is most of you are company men but can you at least we would we would urge you can

01:18:57.320 you at least recognize these obvious tactics this this we're not talking to you right here in the

01:19:03.940 chat yeah yep yeah most of you who are watching this channel you're you're our biggest supporters

01:19:08.420 you're our biggest allies but but for others can you can you recognize like okay right wing watch

01:19:14.620 is a left-wing organization.

01:19:17.620 Mother Jones is a left-wing organization

01:19:21.480 that are simply, Mother Jones spelled it out.

01:19:24.760 They weren't even coy about it.

01:19:26.060 They said, to understand J.D. Vance,

01:19:29.640 you must understand the Theobros.

01:19:32.040 Here's Joel Webin.

01:19:33.080 Here's Brian Sauve.

01:19:34.300 Here's Andrew Isker.

01:19:35.300 Here's Stephen Wolfe.

01:19:36.220 Here's Nate Fisher and Newfoundland.

01:19:38.620 And here's Doug Wilson, the worst of them all,

01:19:43.700 according to Mother Jones, which is part of the reason why I want to encourage people.

01:19:50.080 When we get in brother wars, right, we need to do no more brother wars. When we get in brother

01:19:55.860 wars over being a hair and a freckle to the left versus a hair and a freckle to the right,

01:20:01.160 the vast majority of the world, they don't see it like that. When Mother Jones starts writing

01:20:07.920 their article they don't say you know what joel webbin and uh steven wolf those guys have really

01:20:14.240 crossed the line but we appreciate doug wilson and his moderate reason world coach no they literally

01:20:20.060 they quote doug wilson and read that article by mother jones the most um shocking offensive quotes

01:20:27.220 are his right not mine not steven's his his are the are the and um and he's been blacklisted for

01:20:36.020 40 years of his life, and just now kind of been received in the last three, four years as

01:20:41.420 reasonable. And even then, only reasonable to still. We're talking about a minority of the

01:20:46.920 population that would see him as reasonable. So you got to take all those things into account.

01:20:51.960 Who am I going to pick fights with? Who's actually picking a fight? Did I do this as a hot take

01:21:00.140 intentionally? Should I step back? Did I actually sin publicly? Should I publicly repent and

01:21:06.480 apologize? And the point is, it's not easy. That's the point. It's not easy, which is just one more

01:21:14.020 reason why 95% of you should not do this. 95% of you should not make it your aim to play the heel,

01:21:23.800 to be a radical jesus even says like when you start to build a building count the cost right

01:21:30.960 because it is shameful to put a foundation right build up a little platform and then fold not have

01:21:35.740 the will to carry it through to stand by your hands it would have been better if you didn't

01:21:40.180 start building at all exactly then to because because your enemies will then mock mock you

01:21:45.380 and and your allies that's right and your allies um but all these things uh what we need right now

01:21:52.060 if we want to win, is you do need a few radicals.

01:21:54.380 You do.

01:21:55.160 Those guys have to count the costs, and they need to be unique.

01:21:58.260 They need to be unique.

01:21:59.900 Then beyond that, there's something to be said for everybody else,

01:22:02.920 the shield wall, and saying, when everybody comes and says,

01:22:09.100 give us Stephen Wolfe so that we can hang him up,

01:22:13.840 you need a bunch of guys who are not Stephen Wolfe

01:22:17.440 and can't afford to be Stephen Wolfe to still be able to say,

01:22:21.620 No.

01:22:21.900 No.

01:22:22.980 No, you can't have them.

01:22:24.080 Sorry.

01:22:24.800 There can be no breaks in the shield wall.

01:22:27.100 If one person breaks in the shield wall, it all starts to crumble.

01:22:31.560 I've seen it in churches where the pastor gets a bunch of heat and one core family leaves the church.

01:22:40.660 They fold.

01:22:41.260 And they think, well, but if this many people think he's wrong, he must be.

01:22:44.820 And that one core, and then it becomes a domino effect in a third of the congregation.

01:22:50.080 and if that one family would have just held

01:22:52.940 and even made the same decision,

01:22:55.300 but make it two months later.

01:22:57.640 And just don't do it right in the middle of the drama.

01:23:00.920 Don't be emotional.

01:23:02.500 Don't be dramatic. 0.98

01:23:03.300 Don't be feminine. 0.56

01:23:04.480 Be a man. 0.99

01:23:05.920 The whole church would have held together

01:23:07.480 and they could have still made a transition

01:23:09.600 two months later.

01:23:11.460 They weren't in the heat of it.

01:23:12.720 They weren't in the public sphere.

01:23:13.880 It wasn't hurting them or their livelihood

01:23:15.380 or any of those things.

01:23:16.620 They could have still transitioned,

01:23:18.240 done it much more cordially.

01:23:20.080 And the church would have been insulated and protected. 1.00

01:23:23.780 But the chink in the shield wall, that's where all of your radicals get strung up. 1.00

01:23:28.740 And not only your radicals, but all the company men, good company men start getting wiped out as well. 1.00

01:23:34.360 Someone reminded of the verse in the chat, but Jesus literally says,

01:23:37.720 he who receives a prophet receives the prophet's reward.

01:23:40.700 The good men that run a family and the prophet needs somewhere to stay.

01:23:44.380 And they say, hey, you can stay here for a little while.

01:23:46.320 I'm taking you into my home permanently. 0.98

01:23:48.020 He says, those receive the reward of the prophet as well.

01:23:50.080 even though they they weren't they weren't a prophet themselves but they get you're right

01:23:54.000 that's a great i credit to whoever put it in the chat who was it nathan go back i want to lord

01:23:58.260 knows who you are the lord knows and everyone else is about to know probably not because i

01:24:03.240 guarantee it's an anon always is good old good old biblical anon yeah a little bit there right

01:24:10.000 there uh so this was yellow moth yellow moth shout out for you well done company men get batman's

01:24:15.940 reward i like it yeah yeah company men get batman's reward and uh and church men get profits reward

01:24:22.580 rewards that's good okay we'll go to our last commercial break yeah and when we come back i

01:24:27.760 want to i want to um honor some other radicals i actually kind of want to give a list of some guys

01:24:34.180 that you the majority of you listening as company men um can uh can financially support um and should

01:24:41.980 like because because some of these guys are getting a ton of heat and um and then and then

01:24:48.360 we also want to we want to honor some other guys but then we also want to talk about a little bit

01:24:52.080 of um how you guys can also support us um because like for instance like there's some guys who just

01:24:58.080 reached out to me uh yesterday great guys um that i'm building a relationship with and said um would

01:25:04.940 you be comfortable with us publicly um doing a fundraiser to uh raise money for you to help get

01:25:11.220 you um uh your home a good security system like with cameras and because we don't my wife and i

01:25:19.460 don't have that and uh i file you know uh when i get you know i get you know hundreds thousands

01:25:26.380 of people like i hate you that's not a death threat i hate you is not a death threat but when 0.63

01:25:31.000 i get threats and when i say threats i'm talking about objective like um i'm coming for you i'll 0.56

01:25:36.340 get like just yesterday i had a voicemail of somebody and you could tell he changed his voice

01:25:40.320 um you know and called from an unknown number and said um uh we watched uh we watched the clip

01:25:47.220 of you calling um for uh execution of women i want you to know we're coming for you and so like

01:25:55.740 uh even with our church um every single week i have to reach out to guys in our church

01:26:00.940 to be prepared um and to show up early and um to protect people in our church people

01:26:07.560 um people want people not everybody some people just hate me but there are some people who want

01:26:15.660 to kill me they actually want to kill me and um and being able to continue doing what we're doing

01:26:21.920 and not dying um actually does cost money there's another guy you might have heard of him 0.73

01:26:28.940 uh who people want to kill donald trump like donald trump like um they can't win they know 0.50

01:26:37.560 they can't win right they have to kill him they they tried to beat him to cheat but now this one's 0.96

01:26:45.920 too big to rig yeah and so then they tried the law fair like okay if we can't beat him in an 0.86

01:26:50.960 election and we can't it's even outside the margin of cheating the margin of cheated cheating um then 1.00

01:26:56.860 will try to lock him up that failed so now it's like we we have to kill him i have to shoot him 0.98

01:27:01.540 um at like and so far that hasn't worked but here's the deal donald trump and i'm not donald 0.99

01:27:07.440 trump but the but the point is um donald trump absolutely it is good and right and fitting and

01:27:13.740 pleasing i believe in the sight of god that um one of the richest men elon musk is like um can i make

01:27:20.300 you a bulletproof golf cart right yeah and can i help you uh resource your security team to keep

01:27:26.940 you alive right and what we're going to get into in this third segment i'm going to be a little bit

01:27:31.340 bold and in asking here you have not because you ask not uh some of you are company men

01:27:36.240 and and some of you are company men who literally own the company like you're rich company men and

01:27:43.520 you still because of the strategy and assignment that in god's providence he has given to you

01:27:48.180 you still can't afford to be doing what A.D. Robles is doing or what Stephen Wolfe is doing

01:27:53.900 or what I'm doing. But you can give a lot more than $5. You are in a position where you could

01:28:02.060 give to a ministry like ours, Right Response Ministries, to help have a security system

01:28:11.540 to where guys who leave the voicemail saying, we're coming for you on my phone daily,

01:28:18.180 to where they don't actually come or if they come they're unsuccessful and me and my family don't

01:28:24.040 get killed like this is my point is the stakes are real it's not just sow a seed brother and you know

01:28:30.680 and for for your gift of one dollar a day you know that uh this missionary would like no we're 0.99

01:28:36.540 talking about um changing culture they want to kill me because it's working right they want to

01:28:42.920 kill me because it's working it's not just because they're angry it's because it's working it is

01:28:47.240 changing the discourse when i was talking when we were talking about repealing the 19th amendment 0.78

01:28:52.540 maybe that was a bad idea um there was way more pushback now way more a ton of people i mean it

01:28:59.380 is already changing where people like yeah you know what maybe women shouldn't vote like because

01:29:04.900 here come the statistics uh young men what's the number one thing they're voting for the economy 0.55

01:29:09.020 right um how can i get a job and and uh and afford a mortgage and food on the table for a family

01:29:14.260 that's the way young men are thinking that's the most important issue to them is can i feed a 0.60

01:29:18.880 family most important issue 39 of single women abortion um uh how can i murder my kids yep 0.61

01:29:27.000 yeah women should not be voting yep they're not suited for it that does not mean that women are 0.81

01:29:32.500 inherently more wicked than men but they are not suited for that sphere um and i remember going 0.96

01:29:38.580 viral and viral and viral because of that a couple years ago and now um it continues to go viral but

01:29:45.860 not just with me because now right wing watch and all they have to clip out yeah thousands of guys

01:29:50.900 saying the same thing because it's become so apparent and obvious even women conservative

01:29:56.380 quote-unquote the platform even they're kind of like even women are like yeah we should oran chen

01:30:00.280 and stuff like yeah they're coming out do we have the right to vote and it's but that's the thing

01:30:03.920 it's becoming norming so whether it's the daily wire with am i racist matt walsh you know once

01:30:08.620 once uh once uh john harris and ad robles made it safe you know for megan basham and matt walsh

01:30:14.800 then they came out with a heavy artillery and now critical race theory you're uh you're running into

01:30:20.460 the shadows now you're looking pretty foolish somebody's backing out of d'angelo literally 0.75

01:30:24.320 deleted her accounts yeah her twitter account as soon as that dog she was embarrassed she was 0.91

01:30:30.140 and rightfully so. 0.75

01:30:32.240 John Harris did not embarrass Robin DeAngelo.

01:30:35.340 But guys like John Harris and Eddie Robles

01:30:37.380 paved the way for your Matt Walsh's,

01:30:40.020 who then, they're the ones who bring the heavy artillery, 0.98

01:30:43.100 and the wicked, like the cockroaches that they are, 0.97

01:30:47.080 start scurrying back into the shadows. 0.63

01:30:49.900 Well, same thing, Charlie Kirk would be an example.

01:30:53.000 Multiple guys coming out and saying,

01:30:55.340 Martin Luther King Jr. is not the hero that we want.

01:30:59.140 He's not our guy.

01:31:00.140 Right? Martin Luther King Jr., honoring him today will be the equivalent of like John, the Catholic guy. 0.61

01:31:12.320 John Doyle.

01:31:13.120 John Doyle.

01:31:13.200 I like it.

01:31:14.240 John Doyle said, you know, 30, 50 years from now, people will be saying, I'm a George Floyd conservative.

01:31:19.760 That's right, yeah.

01:31:20.500 You know, I'm a George Floyd conservative.

01:31:21.840 Because really, you know, he was just trying to stick it to the man, you know, fiat currency by having a $20 counter.

01:31:27.020 That's right, yes.

01:31:27.860 and he was just you know and and the last words that he you know before he died was uh was i want

01:31:33.200 my mom you know so here's a here's a family man he's a family man he loves his mother um no uh 0.95

01:31:38.700 george floyd was trash right he was a criminal he should not have a monument he should not be 0.92

01:31:45.040 honored no way um likewise martin luther king was not a good man he was a marxist he was propped up 0.99

01:31:53.020 by marxists he was having an orgy the night or two nights before he was assassinated cheating on his

01:32:00.320 wife and pretending to be a preacher no he he was not a good man and civil rights that movement has

01:32:06.240 destroyed our culture and for those of you who want a longer form argument not just the joel

01:32:10.920 webbin short version um read age of entitlement by christopher caldwell and see what the civil

01:32:17.480 Rights Act, what that did to our Constitution and to our government. It destroyed us. But here's my

01:32:24.400 point. There were guys sounding the alarm about Michael King, Martin Luther King, his actual name

01:32:36.340 I think is Michael, guys who were sounding the alarm six years ago, seven years ago, eight years

01:32:41.660 ago um and then this past year uh was year one right of charlie kirk yeah coming up and charlie

01:32:49.480 kirk got flack but boom that's heavy artillery i guarantee you next year it'll be more guys and

01:32:55.200 it'll be bigger names and it'll be to eventually um we will by the grace of god get to a point

01:33:00.680 where we're able the average normie not even christian normie right but just normal person

01:33:05.780 in america will look back and say yeah civil rights act was a disaster can't believe we did

01:33:09.940 that. That'd be amazing. Let's celebrate Stonewall Jackson Day instead of Michael Martin Luther King 0.98

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01:35:57.680 All right, welcome back.

01:36:05.420 In this final segment, we're going to name some other radicals that are worthy of respect and also support.

01:36:10.540 I asked to name one.

01:36:11.620 You just saw his ad, David Reese.

01:36:14.180 David is a godly man.

01:36:15.360 He's a pastor in the Phoenix area.

01:36:17.440 If you want, you can probably go on Twitter.

01:36:18.900 You would see his church name, where you can find him.

01:36:20.880 but also he uh is the ceo of armored republic so they make body armor uh protective devices you

01:36:28.240 could also have stuff for working out um completely worthy of of your support if you

01:36:33.100 are buying something related to self-defense and david reese carries it armor republic that is a

01:36:38.340 godly business that you should support that you should buy from uh and he's gonna have arguably

01:36:44.060 the best product yeah right that's a product you need because he does things well yeah because he

01:36:48.660 does things well like like he's so it's you're gonna it's not even just charity but like yes

01:36:52.820 you should patron yep yep and last week he came to your defense too joel he said those people

01:36:58.220 christians picking on and and and siding with the left on this absolutely not this is what the

01:37:03.740 scripture says we should be on the same to this unashamed of the scripture and unashamed of the

01:37:07.660 messenger so yep great godly man he did um who else i mean the usual suspects right we've got

01:37:14.840 i'll mention john harris because before i had heard of you joel i stumbled across john harris

01:37:21.260 in the blm days right and i emailed him from taiwan and he emailed me back and like really

01:37:26.120 encouraged me gave me good advice and um basically sealed the deal on my time there

01:37:32.260 you know if we hadn't left because of covid we were leaving the next year anyway because

01:37:35.500 and now he's gonna hopefully be endorsing your book yeah absolutely so but if you want to talk

01:37:40.300 about someone who um is on the the cutting edge man he's been there for a while so he has support

01:37:46.520 his podcast support truth script buy his books um yeah john harris was one one of the first he

01:37:52.840 really was and one of the first two like there were some early guys early adopters yeah who

01:37:58.820 stayed faithful and yep but like some of them they only pushed so far that's right john harris

01:38:03.660 john has continued he was early but he kept pushing he wasn't you know john harris was not

01:38:08.200 content to just say like look we got to get back to the 80s yep um classical liberalism 80s economy

01:38:14.300 so that my cruise line can have more uh make more money um instead john harris said no we got to

01:38:20.660 keep going for righteousness absolutely not classical liberalism but the bible what does

01:38:24.720 the bible say um 80 robles yep he's right there with john harris same thing 80 robles owns his

01:38:31.840 own staffing company um nathan look that up real quick because i want to uh give him a shout so

01:38:36.380 that people can go um if they are looking for employment use ad um i want to yeah name his

01:38:42.700 company and a link so that people can do that uh but john harris you can uh look up conversations

01:38:47.880 that matter uh and look up truth script yep and um and consider making a donation uh david reese

01:38:54.500 is uh he's he he's kind of the batman of christenem he's he's a baller financially

01:38:59.400 but you can uh absolutely patron his company armored republic um uh for 80 robles you should

01:39:05.860 if you need a staffing company to help you with employment you should check out um ad robles and

01:39:11.140 that's part of why ad is able to do what he does yep ad is able to do what he does because he's

01:39:15.860 self-employed he owns his own company he worked hard to establish it uh so that he would be

01:39:20.780 insulated enough right to where he can just come out and say things ad believe it or not ad goes

01:39:26.320 harder than i do people don't think that's while he does it so people don't think like i get i get

01:39:30.620 picked up a part of the reason we get picked up a lot is because um part of it is metrics like what

01:39:36.840 you know uh by god's grace covenant recruiter that's 80 robust so go to covenant recruiter.com

01:39:43.500 covenant recruiter.com um for uh 80 robust if you want a staffing company to help you with

01:39:51.200 finding employment but um part of the reason that we get picked up is because there are certain

01:39:56.840 metrics when you pass a certain threshold you just that's true like so when we pass like a hundred

01:40:01.840 thousand subscribers on youtube it put us right in a just a different realm of of viewed more

01:40:09.800 heavily as a threat part of even like our setup like ad is it's a webcam he's in his garage and

01:40:15.080 he's in his garage and that's great yeah um there's nothing wrong with that the reason why we're doing

01:40:19.300 what we're it's not because we're trying to um be inauthentic or pose um because i'm i'm just as

01:40:25.960 blue collar as ad right like and but the reason we did this you know and like we want to have

01:40:32.360 high dollar cameras and a good studio and we're going to work the algorithm with youtube and

01:40:37.720 we're going to try to get you know surpass 100 000 subscribers all this is because we wanted

01:40:41.840 to punch above our weight right and punching above your weight means two things one it means

01:40:47.320 that you're going to make a big impact there's a ton of people who are listening to us it also

01:40:52.400 means you're going to get a ton of attack right like like i'm just i'm going to be viewed as a

01:40:58.980 threat um by certain individuals that won't view ad as much of a threat and that and that's part of

01:41:05.980 um part of why we get the pushback that we do but we also are able to uh punch in a little harder

01:41:13.960 at times right um but ad robles still throws a heck of a punch and um and so he's worthy of your

01:41:20.760 support who are some other guys ogden has i mean they got like a stacked roster 10 15 guys some

01:41:27.520 kind of podcaster endeavor but uh four main guys does a great job eric con is there he's he's their

01:41:33.840 reaper cheap you know like challenging you know the dragon to single combat if you're batman we

01:41:38.960 said uh he's bane he's bang if bane was a little shorter though unfortunately but yeah eric no eric

01:41:44.680 is he is a fighter like he started you know years ago with hard man podcast and uh and he's not just

01:41:51.860 like a fighter in terms of you know his rhetoric or words but like eric is that kind of guy like

01:41:59.340 for me it was being the loser and getting rejected and just and then becoming immune to rejection

01:42:05.360 like um immune to being made fun of or hated or whatever uh for eric it was um i mean eric's the

01:42:13.420 kind of guy who like would just go off in the woods and hunt you know bear or elk you know and

01:42:20.080 be in the woods for a month and be able to just survive and haul it back by himself like he

01:42:24.440 actually is a hard man yeah um yeah i remember one of the first things i heard from eric when i

01:42:29.860 before i even knew him personally but years ago started listening to him and somebody recommended

01:42:34.240 him was he was like part of biblical masculinity it's not all just spiritualized part of biblical

01:42:39.740 masculinity is being hard to kill right literally physically hard to kill um uh if you're going to

01:42:47.720 have a wife and children and you're called to provide and protect there's a spiritual 0.90

01:42:50.960 component there's a physical component and in the protection um realm in the physical side of that

01:42:58.520 um you need to be hard to kill that if somebody is going to try to hurt your family they have to

01:43:05.200 come through you and that they're going to think twice right um that they may be able to kill you

01:43:10.740 but it won't be easy you're going to be hard to kill and uh and if you have no cardio if you um

01:43:18.200 lose your breath quickly if you and he just started like listing some of these things like 0.97

01:43:23.460 if your circulation is bad like um you know all these different like you are easy to kill

01:43:28.740 you are easy to kill and uh and your loved ones are less protected and there is a moral

01:43:34.900 a moral culpability and so anyways eric is um who eric is in terms of his content his message 0.71

01:43:43.400 is really just um it's just a further extension of who he is as a man and who he's always been for

01:43:51.380 you know 40 years as a man is just um the dude is like he's uh he has grit yeah right he has grit

01:44:00.760 like the dude can just go into the wilderness for a month you know and is raising his sons that way

01:44:06.520 to where they now go elk hunting you know for two weeks you know completely off the beaten path you

01:44:11.520 know and uh he's a man and and he's worthy of support he's not it's it's it's frustrating with

01:44:18.280 some of our reformed brothers that we love are like, these are boys, like, you know, these young

01:44:23.880 boys who are just being immature. It's like, brother, I have five kids. Eric, you know,

01:44:34.160 is a grown man. He's in his 40s. He has a wife and children. He could probably kill a bear with

01:44:42.880 his hands i feel like or at least if he had a knife um he's been talking about these things

01:44:48.480 for years about a decade um yeah like you can disagree with him that's fine but the but the

01:44:57.460 matt chandler rhetoric of boys who can shave um i think i think it's time to leave that out yeah

01:45:04.820 you know like like you just you need to find another line you need to say um i i i for these

01:45:11.600 reasons objective reasons i disagree with the crusades and therefore disagree with ogden and

01:45:16.800 their latest project with the king's hall that's fine but um but but saying um they're they're

01:45:23.560 immature boys or whatever you're just gonna have to find a different built more in five years than

01:45:28.380 you probably will in your lifetime in many cases not all cases these guys but in many cases yeah

01:45:32.460 i mean the the ogden guys are not to be trifled with these are guys who you're right in five years

01:45:38.960 have built i mean it's it is breathtaking right what they've been able to establish they've got

01:45:45.960 i mean these guys have i won't say because they probably wouldn't want me to because it's their

01:45:52.120 business if they want to say they can say but i'll just say they they uh have so much support

01:45:57.680 coming in monthly on patreon it is shocking absolutely shocking and good for them and i

01:46:04.300 hope it triples. It needs to be even more because it's well spent. It's a good investment. What are

01:46:12.200 they doing with that? Well, in a lot of ways, they're paying it forward. They have a classical

01:46:17.780 Christian school that is only available to the members of their church. They've closed it. So

01:46:23.340 it's a covenant style and not a mission. It's covenantal and deeply covenantal, only open to

01:46:29.940 members of their church and every member of their church if they're a tithing member uh then they

01:46:35.000 get uh free right um free enrollment um it's like well how can you afford to do that well part of

01:46:41.540 the way they can afford to do that is that the tithes that typically would pay for a church

01:46:45.900 their size a pastor an associate pastor maybe a worship leader those kinds of things um all those

01:46:51.600 things uh salaries uh that the tithe money for the church goes to um instead goes to a headmaster

01:46:57.640 and teachers and things like that it's like well then how do the pastors get paid

01:47:01.600 with new christian press right right because they were um they had ingenuity they had innovation

01:47:09.500 because they worked hard and recorded good content with good quality podcasts like haunted cosmos

01:47:15.660 and king's hall and and built an empire there so that they could just uh be rich like joel

01:47:21.660 oestein no so that the worker who is worthy the way they could get a decent salary a good salary

01:47:27.180 that they deserve for doing good work and then pass on those benefits to their church yeah so

01:47:32.560 now you're a member of um of refuge in ogden and you don't just get a pastor you get a team of

01:47:39.180 pastors uh you get like four or five pastors for the price of one and your kids get to go to school

01:47:46.100 for free that's insane five days a week a classical good education yeah that is like those

01:47:53.040 guys are putting that money to work so that's a that is that's invest in them so um invest in in

01:48:00.740 truth script and john harris invest in ogden and those guys invest um in uh in 80 robles use his

01:48:07.920 company um uh um i'm blanking on the name steven wolf steven wolf yep buy his book uh you already

01:48:17.520 have it buy another copy yeah somewhere yeah subscribe to his youtube channel that's the big

01:48:22.020 area yes he started a youtube channel what is it is the lone bullwark so go right now go to the

01:48:28.860 lone bullwark and subscribe and start listening to steven wolf uh people hate him yeah they hate

01:48:35.060 him uh but here's the thing you guys think that like oh steven wolf you know blah blah like um

01:48:40.680 there are bad guys out there there are truly racist guys out there there are truly um

01:48:50.680 nazi hitler fanboy guys out there um steven wolf is not one of those guys ogden are not those guys

01:48:58.900 andrew isker is not that guy we are not those guys um we are guys who are pushing the envelope

01:49:05.160 and and some of you you're gonna have to learn the lesson the hard way like the way ali beth

01:49:09.400 has been learning it ali beth stuckey you know who hates me you know and she's in fact it's ironic

01:49:15.420 i'm uh one of the main reasons that i went public in the first place was because of ali beth

01:49:20.360 on the issue of biblical patriarchy two years ago she found a sermon clip she read it publicly

01:49:26.100 the transcript um on on air on her show uh pulled out all the left leftists no the leftists didn't

01:49:33.040 know who i was pulled out all the complementarian right calvinist moms so they came out yep so

01:49:40.540 leftists so they came out of the woodwork they're not leftists but they but they're not helpful

01:49:45.180 they're not helpful they came out of the woodwork because they heard ali beth and they started

01:49:49.840 making me go viral. And a pastor who now has divorced his wife and left the ministry, Andy

01:49:55.560 Woodard, he, same thing, because he was losing the argument with me on terms of substance when it

01:50:00.780 came to Christian nationalism. He pulled out the patriarchy stuff to try to make me look bad. And

01:50:05.700 Allie Beth picked it up, and all these women picked it up. I'm like, he told his wife not to

01:50:12.240 read a book. He thinks that he has spiritual authority over the spiritual diet of his family.

01:50:18.560 And they all lost their minds, all lost their minds.

01:50:23.060 And that's where ultimately the leftists then found me.

01:50:26.340 The leftists wouldn't even know who I was.

01:50:28.640 I wouldn't have had the time of day.

01:50:30.940 I didn't have enough visibility.

01:50:32.940 You made me visible.

01:50:34.560 And the irony is now, you know,

01:50:36.120 Allie Beth for a week has been in this back and forth battle on X with Russell Moore

01:50:40.540 because Russell Moore says,

01:50:43.600 Allie Beth holds a biblical view of patriarchy and I don't like it.

01:50:46.580 No, that's never the attempt.

01:50:48.560 And Russell Moore is saying, Allie Beth is a Nazi.

01:50:53.200 Allie Beth Stuckey.

01:50:54.580 Is he really?

01:50:55.220 Yes.

01:50:55.540 I've been blocked by her for years.

01:50:57.220 Yes.

01:50:57.420 So I can't even see any of this.

01:50:58.340 Right.

01:50:59.820 But sometimes it's worth a look because sometimes in God's providence, he does things that are just too sweet.

01:51:06.840 It's just too rich.

01:51:07.940 And you just got to savor it. 1.00

01:51:10.320 Allie Beth Stuckey is a Nazi. 1.00

01:51:11.840 Here's the thing. 0.98

01:51:12.540 if you're not being called a nazi then i seriously then you're doing something wrong 0.97

01:51:18.860 tucker carlson yeah nazi yeah ali best ducky nazi us nazi steven wolf nazi um if you are not being 0.91

01:51:27.680 called a nazi then you are not pushing against the post-war consensus hard enough you're not 0.96

01:51:32.280 if you're not being called a racist if you're not being called a racist then you probably at some

01:51:38.080 level have given in to anti-white discrimination at some level you might not be doing it to the

01:51:44.860 level of a democrat but at some level um you're probably doing that if you're um if you're not

01:51:53.000 being called anti-semitic then you are probably not pushing against zionism which is not biblical

01:51:58.600 not true to god's word hard enough if you're not being called a misogynist then you are probably

01:52:04.580 not teaching the clear principles of scripture as it pertains to men and women if you're not being

01:52:09.980 called um a bigot then you are probably not frequently and courageously enough speaking 0.98

01:52:17.460 about um the horrors and the abomination of sodomy yep spurgeon said in the sermon hebrews 0.93

01:52:25.920 where it says suffer with him outside the camp that if we're going to be called bigots for

01:52:29.120 believing scripture all hail bigotry right right and they called him that and so all this being

01:52:33.780 said so when you're called a racist don't actually become a racist when you're called a nazi don't

01:52:38.820 actually become a nazi when you're called a misogynist don't actually hate women make sure 0.64

01:52:43.620 that it's slander doug has said this and he's right make sure that it's truly slander that

01:52:48.100 it's truly false however however um you you need you need to be supporting uh these guys that we've

01:52:59.500 just named steven wolf that the whole point in bringing this up is there really are you so many

01:53:05.300 guys i've seen them online say steven wolf is racist no he's not steven wolf literally gave

01:53:11.040 a whole talk in ogden where he said uh we need it needs to be uh protestant anglos uh anglo

01:53:16.560 protestants um and then and then he said and not multiculturalism and then he explained that there

01:53:23.500 was a way of being an anglo-protestant um and that including um clarence thomas including thomas

01:53:30.580 soul including votie bockham um and and i remember like in that talk you know you can just tell like

01:53:36.540 the enemies of stephen wolf were getting excited like we finally got him we finally got him on his

01:53:40.900 blatant racism and and yet uh the man is bulletproof he will always uh receive bullets from 0.84

01:53:48.580 liars, sure. But in terms of objectively and God's truth, no, he's not a racist. Andrew Isker,

01:53:57.780 right? He wrote his book with Andrew Torba, and people didn't like that they had a whole section

01:54:01.880 on, hey, if we're going to be Christian nationalists, it needs to be Christian

01:54:05.440 nationalism and not Judeo-Christian nationalism. It cannot be, Zionism is an impediment to Christian

01:54:12.660 nationalism. And I remember the Andrews, Andrew Torba and Andrew Isker got a lot of flack, and

01:54:18.340 people said, you know, this and that and the other. But Andrew Isker, you will not be able to find him

01:54:23.260 publicly saying something that is truly anti-Semitic. He's not anti-Semitic. He wishes no harm

01:54:29.840 on Jewish people. In fact, he wishes the same thing that we do, that they would convert and 0.73

01:54:35.180 believe upon the Lord Jesus Christ and be saved. And we believe that they will be, one way or

01:54:40.040 another. And so these are good, my point is, there are unhinged guys. And I want to argue, don't

01:54:47.500 support them. You do not need to be supporting Nick Fuentes, who is currently rallying for Kamala

01:54:54.400 Harris. You don't need to support Nick Fuentes. You don't. He's not a strong Christian. Does he

01:55:03.380 say some things that are right? Yes. You do not need to be supporting Andrew Tate. You don't.

01:55:09.220 I understand that your pastor is effeminate. I understand that for most of you men. Your pastor

01:55:15.000 is effeminate and andrew tate at least you know isn't 150 pounds overweight um i get that i do

01:55:23.220 understand slim pickings out there uh but you do not need to be sort of supporting and andrew tate 0.99

01:55:28.580 he's a muslim right and he does degrade women he is a pimp he is literally a pimp and has bragged 0.94

01:55:35.880 about it um he is not a christian prince he's not our guy andrew tate is not our guy um and so all 0.98

01:55:43.260 that being said um there are there few and far between but there are some guys who have the same

01:55:49.940 caliber of courage they're willing to be hated by millions same caliber of courage as andrew tate

01:55:55.200 and nick fuentes and all the things that nick fuentes and andrew tate are right about

01:56:00.120 there are we have our own guys christian protestant guys who who are speaking out on those 0.99

01:56:07.440 same things and they're doing it without the stupidity yeah and uh and they're and they don't 0.99

01:56:16.700 they're not rich andrew tate is rich right yep he doesn't need your your your five dollars from 0.99

01:56:24.100 patreon he's he's okay um but uh but ogden right response uh andrew isker steven wolf

01:56:33.880 A.D. Robles, John Harris.

01:56:38.560 These are guys who are saying hard things.

01:56:42.600 They don't capitulate when the mob gets going.

01:56:47.420 They can go viral with 5 million people,

01:56:50.420 and you can count on them the next week

01:56:53.860 to just keep pushing the ball.

01:56:56.280 They're worthy of your support.

01:56:58.160 We do want to thank.

01:57:00.260 Yes, do it.

01:57:01.660 uh i mean you know we've we've been on a little bit of a kick of asking for support which we have

01:57:06.920 not done in the past and we're not going to do forever right um but the response has really been

01:57:11.560 quite overwhelming and incredible right so we're really really thankful and a lot of our talk today

01:57:17.260 is not really to you all in the chat right now right right you guys are faithful here you you

01:57:22.280 are seeing the same things we're seeing um we're really really super encouraged by you and thankful

01:57:27.580 for you and proud to have you as part of this right response community and the financial support

01:57:35.620 along with the support in the chat and even online things like that the prayers that you guys give

01:57:40.580 really mean a lot and so as we've been asking for help and contributions honestly like some people

01:57:48.260 have said wow we had no idea that you guys had financial needs right so we're glad that we put

01:57:52.120 them out there and we're very very very thankful to those of you who have responded we don't want

01:57:56.620 to minimize that in any way or pretend like all we're doing is asking for help and no one no one

01:58:01.940 is like you guys definitely are you are so thank you very much for that yep you're right michael

01:58:06.180 thank you yeah thank you guys so much for your support and most of you listening right now who

01:58:11.200 listen live in the chat like michael said um are our biggest supporters um but some people will

01:58:17.940 listen uh when it's all yep said and done and um and so for those uh we do ask that you support

01:58:24.480 the guys that we recommended and if you feel so inclined that you support us also if you'd like

01:58:28.520 to do that um if you'd like to support us you go to right response ministries.com forward slash

01:58:34.840 donate right response ministries.com forward slash donate um all right that's that's all i

01:58:41.800 got any other we missed a great opportunity it's halloween next week we're talking about batman

01:58:46.500 we could have all dressed up as batman this would have been the one chance we got to do it

01:58:50.000 yeah next year next year all right well thank you guys for tuning in and lord willing we'll

01:58:55.300 see you again next week

The NXR Podcast - October 23, 2024

THE LIVESTREAM - The Dark Knights Of Christendom

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