The NXR Podcast - THE LIVESTREAM - The Era Of The Girl Boss Is Over

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00:00:30.000 gentlemen i am pleased to announce that the era of the boss babe is now over now does the boss

00:00:41.000 babe know that this era is over probably not but she is learning along with everyone else in real

00:00:48.500 time we have for far too long had men lectured by conservative women we're not talking in today's

00:00:59.320 episode about AOC telling men what they should do or Ilhan Omar or Nancy Pelosi or you know all

00:01:07.460 the regular suspects but instead what we're talking about is that within the conservative

00:01:12.720 movement we have had you know on the one hand both men and women alike denouncing feminism

00:01:21.060 recognizing all of its ills, recognizing that it is a net negative on society, and yet still 0.59

00:01:30.140 embodying feminism nonetheless, sponsoring women to lecture not only women, but both men and women, 0.87

00:01:40.600 women who are not ladies of the hearth, not in a domestic feminine role, not exercising or

00:01:48.140 embodying a gentle and quiet spirit, but rather who are loud, who are publicly loud, who are

00:01:55.240 counseling and lecturing and attempting to put men in their place. That's what we're going to

00:02:01.240 be talking about in this episode. We're going to be addressing a few individual women in specific, 0.97

00:02:07.540 which is why this topic, which has been a reoccurring theme, but why we're addressing it

00:02:13.040 today. I want to start by just reading a post that I put out on X just in the last couple days.

00:02:20.600 Here it is now. I wrote the following. From now on, when women lecture me on here,

00:02:27.260 online, on X, I'm simply going to respond with which particular kind of pie I think that they 1.00

00:02:34.440 should be baking in that moment. Hysterical woman. Joel Webin is a misogynist. Me. Apple. 1.00

00:02:42.500 Now, to follow up this tweet, I was very pleased and encouraged to see that trending last night

00:02:48.520 was, Pastor Joel Webin recommends pie baking to women critics on X.

00:02:56.360 And, you know, it's a little facetious.

00:02:58.780 It's a little humorous.

00:03:00.160 I, you know, I'm having good fun, but also quite serious, quite serious.

00:03:05.820 Now, you don't have to go the pie baking route, you know, if you're more of a cookie guy,

00:03:09.880 you know, or perhaps you want a cake, right? There are a lot of different ways to go about it.

00:03:14.960 But the principle remains the same. There's a certain point where you stop the debate.

00:03:20.160 There's a certain point where you stop arguing. You stop attempting to persuade. And it's not

00:03:26.980 because you're mean-spirited. It's because what you're debating, by even acquiescing to the debate

00:03:35.380 itself, you've already stepped into a losing framework. You've stepped into an oxymoron.

00:03:43.220 Another example would be deportations and mass immigration. Well, you know, let's have a debate

00:03:49.960 with, you know, Zoran Mondavi, you know, about whether or not we should have one trillion Muslims,

00:03:56.500 you know, move to New York City. No, no, we don't need to have that debate. We don't need to have

00:04:02.540 the back-and-forth discourse for the world to see, the battle and the free market of ideas.

00:04:08.660 Let's see which one. No. Deport. That's all you have to do. Debate? No. Deport. You take him,

00:04:17.720 you say, I'm sorry, you're not an American. You were born in Uganda. You're clearly of Islamic

00:04:24.800 origin. You hate America. I'm sorry, sir, you must be lost. Let us help you and deport you out of 1.00

00:04:34.000 the country. And to be clear, that is the moderate position. It's the same, immigration, that's one

00:04:43.100 example, it is the same when it comes to the topic of feminism. You do not need to engage and debate 0.91

00:04:51.300 the boss babes online. And I admit, I've done some of this myself. But I think you really can,

00:04:58.900 and I would argue from a moral standpoint, should simply respond if you choose to respond at all 0.92

00:05:05.860 when some boss babe feminist claiming to be a conservative is lecturing you online. 1.00

00:05:13.900 you can simply respond by saying apple, pumpkin, cherry. There are all kinds of choices, 1.00

00:05:23.280 but I think you see my point. We're going to be dropping some names today, sharing some specific

00:05:29.920 examples, showing receipts, things you've come to know and love. So buckle up, tune in. Here's the show.

00:05:43.900 we're back some would say so back and it's not just the two of us wesley todd and myself but

00:05:53.280 we have antonio back on the show i'm back and i'm 43 black

00:05:57.880 we are back we're back uh antonio has been fulfilling his duties with his day job

00:06:07.420 and we are working toward we've said this in a couple episodes in the past but to reiterate it

00:06:12.700 to clarify for next year's vision. We are working towards him being with us full-time, all right? So

00:06:19.540 the three of us will be contributing, and he's kind of rounding out the year, but he has a few

00:06:25.680 days off here and there, and so he's with us today, and hopefully will be with us for a few

00:06:30.980 more episodes, but then we'll become more full-time in the new year. So I'm going to turn it over to

00:06:36.240 Wes to get us started. This is a conversation, right? This principle of biblical patriarchy

00:06:42.020 it's something that we've talked about for quite a while or i don't know at least the last three

00:06:47.500 years it's been kind of a major staple in the diet here at right response uh but the reason

00:06:53.400 why we're addressing it today is there have been some new circumstances that have surfaced

00:06:57.840 to where this is all a buzz it's the big conversation on on x and social media platforms

00:07:04.140 over the last 48 hours so to catch people up to speed in case they have been living under a rock

00:07:10.300 Wes would you take us through the recent events well I'll start with just a brief illustration

00:07:15.400 growing up I did grappling specifically jiu-jitsu and I did two tournaments and in one of the

00:07:19.980 tournaments I had two matches and both of them were against girls and I remember thinking back

00:07:24.600 to that one the first one I won I was always more excited about because there were real consequences

00:07:29.280 in that one for the second one if I lost it's like oh my goodness like do you even come home son

00:07:34.020 like you got beat by a girl in a grappling match at 10 12 years old but if you win it's like

00:07:39.960 okay, you won. You beat up a girl. Great job. We're happy for you. That's what we expected 0.70

00:07:45.920 of you. When it comes to men versus women, and that's the appropriate kind of framing to put it 0.94

00:07:50.680 in, it's kind of a lot of times a lose-lose if you accept their framing. Because if you come out 0.72

00:07:55.060 strong and harsh and you name names the way we do with individuals like a Bernie Sanders,

00:08:00.240 a Zoran Mamdani, you actually look kind of cruel. It's not befitting. It doesn't look good

00:08:06.140 for your children, for example, to be heavy-handed and strong with them. You're stronger. You're

00:08:11.680 intellectually superior. It's just we all know that. And to reinforce it and exercise it and

00:08:16.720 put it on display for everyone, if we're honest, it's not really a good look. But there does come

00:08:21.600 a point, whether it would be an upstart 10-year-old that's too big for his size, or in this

00:08:26.560 case, a woman with a platform, a voice, an influence that she shouldn't have, that you say,

00:08:31.180 I don't care what the optics look like, but practically speaking, you're doing a lot of 1.00

00:08:35.540 damage and we've got to come out and say stop it we've got to come out and say the precedent that

00:08:39.960 you are setting is not just individually setting maybe yeah this doesn't look so good you're

00:08:45.220 actively swaying thousands and thousands of people you're setting an example you're modeling

00:08:50.940 you're teaching a younger generation of women to pick up on something that you shouldn't be picked

00:08:55.480 up on and you have to come out and say stop it and you're going to look in some ways cruel i mean

00:09:00.340 joel you had this last week right response or not very responsive right wing watch very close in

00:09:04.740 name, they came out and they're like, Joel Webin, they kind of paraphrased you, like he said these

00:09:08.900 terrible things about women. You were actually really respectful. You weren't name-calling,

00:09:12.380 but you said, these are the problems. Modern women today, and your phrasing was atrocious. 0.99

00:09:18.220 They sleep around. They're loud. They're not taking care of the home. They don't want children. 1.00

00:09:23.420 So even in just accurately summing up the situation as it was, you couldn't help but say,

00:09:28.020 he called women that. But at a certain point, you have to say, no, this is what it is. They're

00:09:33.800 doing damage they're doing wrong they're modeling something for young women and you're not the bad 1.00

00:09:38.040 guy when you do that and if anything you're the protector i think of the old testament with 1.00

00:09:41.900 jezebel uh when she was thrown out of a window so harsh oh my goodness women are the fair sex 1.00

00:09:47.960 yeah but she was destroying not just the bodies in this case but the souls of thousands and it

00:09:54.040 needed to be done eaten by dogs in her case not great yeah you're right um and the irony is it's

00:10:00.780 like, well, men need to stand up. The reason why you have Deborahs or jails or, you know,

00:10:05.100 this or that and the other is because men have been passive and apathetic. But then, you know,

00:10:11.240 my response would be, well, the patriarchy bros, as you'd like to call us, the people that you're

00:10:16.680 constantly publicly disparaging, that's actually precisely what we're doing. We're standing up and

00:10:23.520 we're saying, that's enough. That's enough. And we're not even saying, hey, everything out of

00:10:29.620 this individual person's mouth this particular woman um is wrong or incorrect or unhelpful

00:10:36.240 but we're what we're saying at bare minimum is um at best and in a best case scenario

00:10:43.320 she is uh taking the place of a man there is some man out there who is gifted and capable

00:10:54.060 and called, that last one is significant, actually has the approval and calling of God

00:11:01.880 to fill this role. And he is being displaced by a woman. When I think of young men in America today,

00:11:10.880 they are displaced by women. They are displaced by foreigners now going to be displaced and are 0.85

00:11:17.240 being displaced by ai um it's it's hard to imagine a period of history in a particular time in a 0.95

00:11:26.140 particular place where young men were more despised hated and hopeless than today so yeah we're going 0.95

00:11:34.380 to speak out against gay race communism we're going to speak out against mass invasions and 0.94

00:11:40.380 all the immigration we're going to speak out against anti-white hatred we're going to speak 0.96

00:11:44.840 out against boss babe feminism. We're going to speak out against even the tech bros and Palantir. 0.93

00:11:50.420 No, you cannot destroy an entire generation of young men. If it happens, it happens. But let it

00:12:00.840 happen over our dead bodies. If we have anything to say about it in the grace of God, then it won't

00:12:08.860 happen we're going to do everything we can to stop it feminism is just one of many culprits 1.00

00:12:15.720 standing in line with a baseball bat to bash young men in the face we've had it it's enough 1.00

00:12:23.220 take your pantsuit and go home apple pie please cherry rhubarb if you're feeling you know a little

00:12:31.880 bit a little risky a little off the beaten path yeah you know um but but yes it is time to go

00:12:38.940 home john mccarthur god bless him rest in peace he nailed it uh the only thing i'll say this be a

00:12:45.760 little spicy here um john mccarthur when he told beth moore to go home he nailed it and a lot of

00:12:53.100 you conservatives were applauding well all we're doing is we're telling a few individuals to go

00:13:01.280 home just 10 years earlier. Instead of once she's already preaching on the Lord's Day,

00:13:09.100 well, it was Mother's Day, so it's okay to preach in the church on a Sunday. Once she's already

00:13:13.040 preaching on the Lord's Day, once she's already constantly on the conference circuit and all

00:13:17.720 these kinds of things, yeah, she needs to go home. But the reality is, and I'm not disparaging John

00:13:23.200 MacArthur, but the reality is that if someone had said of Beth Moore, she should go home 10 years 0.99

00:13:29.760 before john mccarthur said it and made it cool they would have been right and so we're doing that

00:13:35.900 now okay yeah and i would just say i really like the point west made around the framing

00:13:40.960 anyone who's worked in the corporate environment before knows that even the presence of 1.00

00:13:46.400 really one woman changes the entire dynamic of it um and uh and that's what i think a lot of women 1.00

00:13:52.280 even can quote unquote conservative women don't understand when we push back against these things 1.00

00:13:57.140 that we're actually making a meta point we're saying in this space the presence of women is

00:14:02.580 changing the landscape even for men right like men uh there is a rough around the edges saying

00:14:08.800 the hard truths um being incredibly pointed um those aspects of masculinity aren't aren't fully

00:14:16.160 embraced with in the presence of women like that that is just that's the point we're making and 0.92

00:14:20.620 and instead what we get back in terms of pushback is uh you know this is mean this is cruel

00:14:26.720 jealousy, I think, is even something that's often accused of men who point out, you know,

00:14:31.000 women, conservative women in public spaces. It's like, oh, well, you just want my platform.

00:14:36.240 You know, if I step down, you won't have my platform. You know, you wouldn't get my platform

00:14:40.520 tomorrow. And I think a lot of, anyway, a lot of it comes back down to the framing. It's the fact

00:14:46.140 that we can't actually progress in the way that we're trying to progress. And you purportedly

00:14:51.600 want us to progress if you're if you're here behind this this pulpit speaking to all these

00:14:57.020 men so i think that's right and speaking of platforms you guys have to understand humans

00:15:01.520 in general we're biologically wired to honestly pay more attention when a beautiful blonde woman

00:15:06.160 is up speaking than necessarily men and that's not necessarily because they're more gifted they're

00:15:10.940 better speakers they're more compelling they're actually not but we are generally we pay attention

00:15:15.940 to beauty so you take a woman that has a natural beauty to her that's not even a bad thing she's 1.00

00:15:20.760 going to pull more eyeballs, pull more attention. As you referenced too, Joel, you're going to take

00:15:25.540 away from, no, actually a man needs to be up here saying this. Let's play this first clip. This is

00:15:30.060 a clip from Allie Bestucki over the weekend speaking to men and women. You'll see this in

00:15:33.940 the clip, but if you're listening, men and women at a Turning Point USA event. 1.00

00:15:38.420 That feminism has failed women. Second one, are you ready? Are you ready?

00:15:45.080 Porn has weakened men. 0.84

00:15:50.760 And you know, Charlie, Charlie was so good at talking about this and so good at talking so

00:16:00.840 courageously and sternly and clearly to the young men. Here's what we know about porn and why it is

00:16:06.960 so detrimental, not only to men, although it disproportionately affects men. Porn objectifies

00:16:12.300 women and children. It commercializes sex, which is a gift from God for a married couple between 0.99

00:16:19.400 one man and one woman, and it glorifies violence.

00:16:28.440 It creates addiction and shame. It destroys marriages. It ruins your perception of other

00:16:33.380 people. It is the legal loophole for sex trafficking. It is evil in every way, and it

00:16:39.420 will destroy your life. And this is what I would want to say to men, and I hope that you hear it

00:16:46.000 from strong men in your life, that men, we need you, and we need your masculinity, and we need

00:16:52.500 your strength, and we need your boldness, and we need your courage, and we need those things to be

00:16:57.840 harnessed for good. We need you to be solid pastors. We need you to be strong leaders. We need your

00:17:05.120 voice. We need you to bravely stand up for the most vulnerable, to stand up for women and children

00:17:11.020 and for the unborn, to raise a respectful ruckus for the things that matter,

00:17:15.960 we need really strong men, and porn makes you weak.

00:17:30.720 Well, it was that part right there about two-thirds through.

00:17:33.280 That was kind of the headline of the clip, and it got about 4 million views.

00:17:36.660 She says, men, we need your strength.

00:17:38.620 We need you to be these leaders.

00:17:39.560 We need you to be this, that, or the other.

00:17:42.020 Now, a lot of people picked up and said, well, hang on a second.

00:17:44.820 All right, we need men.

00:17:45.960 And men are naturally strong.

00:17:47.280 Everyone who has eyes can see that.

00:17:48.700 God has made men to be strong.

00:17:50.240 And she recognized it and said, men, we need you out there.

00:17:52.040 We need you leading.

00:17:52.740 We need you to be great pastors.

00:17:54.440 But it's bookended, both sides, back and front, by her getting up in the space that a man would occupy

00:18:02.000 to lecture them on the things that the men should be saying.

00:18:06.160 What she said, just take it out of context, put it down in writing, was very good. 1.00

00:18:10.020 Porn is destructive. 0.98

00:18:11.980 But then you have a woman lecturing a primary male sin, not exclusively, but a primary male 0.99

00:18:17.440 sin, skidding up there. 0.52

00:18:19.300 Well, it does this and it does that, young man.

00:18:21.740 It has these negative effects.

00:18:23.420 Do you want great voices to really make an impact to help young man?

00:18:27.220 A fatherly, pastorly, married man that has a deep voice, that has gravitas, that has

00:18:33.920 won the fight himself.

00:18:34.860 you want to actually beat it well Allie Beth what you actually have to do go ahead and head

00:18:39.060 backstage and get a man out there speaking about these things that's actually how the impact happens

00:18:45.140 we're going to move to Riley Gaines here in a second but a lot of people notice you're saying

00:18:48.460 we need men we're saying we need their strength but you're here stepping in the role of a man

00:18:52.760 to lecture young men so none of these men have the actual opportunity to do the work that you're

00:18:58.320 saying they need to do yes yep she even said that at a certain point in the clip she said

00:19:05.260 i hope you hear this from strong men and i would just want to say yes and amen i i hope they do too

00:19:11.800 and um i think we missed an opportunity right there for people to hear this from strong men

00:19:19.460 because it was taken by a woman um titus 2 we've talked about this plenty of times titus 2 talks

00:19:26.380 about older men training younger men and and older women training younger women but a lot of

00:19:31.460 people a lot of even conservative christians will take this as a license to say well see an older

00:19:37.260 woman can can teach and she can teach publicly as long as it's you know a female audience and just a 0.99

00:19:44.900 few weeks ago you know alibeth was teaching at the spare no arrows um conference which was for women

00:19:52.400 but here we are just a few weeks later and it's no longer just a female audience it's now a mixed

00:19:59.540 audience of both men and women but even if it was still just women Titus 2 doesn't just say

00:20:06.020 the who who an older woman is allowed to instruct or to train but also the what Titus 2 actually

00:20:14.240 gives the apostle Paul it's not generic it's not ambiguous and it's not vague he actually gives the

00:20:19.820 curriculum. He says these are the types of topics, the types of arenas where a younger woman needs

00:20:28.440 instruction. This older woman is not just teaching younger women on anything and everything under the

00:20:34.300 sun, but particularly in these areas. And the areas are all feminine and domestic. It's how to

00:20:41.880 be submissive to her husband, how to be a lover of children, how to be a keeper of home. And he

00:20:48.460 follows it up by saying, keepers of home, so that the word of God may not be reviled. I think of,

00:20:55.360 you know, the reviling woman, the reviling woman. I know that David Edgington, he's going to be

00:21:00.640 coming on the show soon. He's written an entire book about reviling wives in terms of their

00:21:07.360 disposition, their attitude, their rhetoric towards their husbands. So there's a way of being

00:21:12.280 a reviling wife in terms of your behavior and your speech towards your husband. But according

00:21:16.960 to Titus chapter 2, not just being a reviling wife, but in an even bigger category, you can be

00:21:23.360 a reviling woman by doing what? By getting online and publicly committing blasphemy or slandering 0.95

00:21:30.120 Christ? No, simply by stepping into a man's role and a man's world. That's what the Apostle Paul

00:21:40.660 says. He says that older women should train younger women to submit to their husbands, 0.98

00:21:46.460 be lovers of children, not given to much wine, not given to gossip, and to be keepers of home

00:21:52.040 so that the word of God would not be reviled. A woman who is outside of the home, who is 0.92

00:22:00.040 neglecting the home, leaving the home, eager to leave the home so that she can do the next event,

00:22:05.900 take the next opportunity. According to scripture, Paul's concern under the inspiration of the Holy

00:22:13.840 Spirit is that that would lend towards the reviling of the Word of God. So it's not just

00:22:20.640 that women should not be speaking to a mixed audience. That's true. Women should not be 1.00

00:22:25.160 instructing and lecturing men. Beyond that though, even in those few contexts where an older woman 1.00

00:22:31.300 is instructing younger women, she doesn't get to instruct them in whatever she wants. The 1.00

00:22:36.820 curriculum is actually outlined by Titus 2 what those things are, because if it's just a general

00:22:42.540 instruction, a general spiritual instruction on doctrine of God or soteriology or this, that,

00:22:49.760 and the other, well, then those younger women can receive that instruction on the Lord's Day

00:22:54.400 right beside their husbands from biblically qualified men, from their pastors. You don't

00:22:59.160 need to get an older woman to do that. The last thing on that note that I think is worth pointing 1.00

00:23:04.280 out, again, the Titus 2 passage, is that it says older women. And yet I find it quite interesting

00:23:11.760 that often when I see women on stage, they're not wearing dresses. They're dressed for a business 0.97

00:23:22.340 type of role, not a domestic feminine role. And they're not talking about uniquely domestic

00:23:30.380 feminine things like being keepers of home and submissive to husbands, but they're talking about

00:23:35.880 general things that apply to both men and women. The audience is quite rarely simply female,

00:23:43.500 but often mixed with both men and women being present. And lastly, they're not actually older

00:23:50.420 women. They're younger women. In the audience, you'll see older women, but it's actually younger 1.00

00:23:56.900 women instructing older women and instructing older men, not with feminine things, but with

00:24:05.040 generic, ambiguous, universal things that apply to both men and women. To think that that's

00:24:13.140 conservative, to think that that is somehow in keeping with the traditional view of Scripture

00:24:19.700 and the confines and boundaries that scripture places on men and women is either ignorance

00:24:27.380 or a willful deceit. And it's been said that it's very hard to help someone understand something

00:24:38.080 when they're being paid $30,000 to $50,000 a pop to not understand it. I think there might be

00:24:46.060 something there are we ready for our first commercial break uh we've got one more tweet 1.00

00:24:50.120 from riley gains okay let's do that hypocrisy and for the record on age allie bestucky is 33 0.98

00:24:54.900 so older women i would be hard pressed to say 33 counts as an older woman she's raised children

00:25:00.940 they're out of the home etc riley gains so like i said this clip of allie bestucky went viral a lot

00:25:07.000 of people said well you're saying we need men's strength but here you are taking the stage instead

00:25:10.480 of a man riley gains uh who i'll get to in a moment said if you're a man who feels offended

00:25:14.440 by this. There's a good chance you're exactly the kind of man that she's talking about. She was

00:25:18.700 challenging men to use pornography. Now, if you rewind the clock, just about a year or so,

00:25:24.020 Riley Gaines, for one, she was actually the one who spoke up about transgender athletes

00:25:28.020 in sports. That was her big claim to fame. This is more two to three years ago. 0.97

00:25:31.040 Well, she did that. But if you rewind the clock even further, she's supporting

00:25:35.840 Bruce Jenner as he's dressed up as a woman and taking pictures with him.

00:25:41.900 The contradictions are hard to keep track of.

00:25:43.340 it's hard to keep track a year ago though there's a whole a big controversy she starred in a calendar

00:25:48.700 and this was not a calendar of the best pies of the year guys it was a conservative dad's calendar

00:25:54.960 it was the best pies of the year the best baking oh wait no it was a bikini calendar so it was a

00:26:00.420 conservative dad's calendar full of scantily clad conservative women and it's funny that actually

00:26:06.440 is very very conservative we're conserving the sexual licentiousness of the left from the prior 1.00

00:26:10.980 decade. So Riley Gaines is up here saying like, if anyone has a problem with Allie Bestucki and

00:26:16.000 her lecturing of men and their use of pornography, then you're probably part of the problem. And also

00:26:21.040 for the low price of $29.99, be sure to get my bikini pictures in this conservative magazine. 0.89

00:26:27.100 Do we see the hypocrisy? Do we see the inability of women's involvement on the stage at this scale

00:26:34.740 in our movement? And do we see the impetus? And we're going to go to another conservative women.

00:26:39.080 well we hate pornography but bikinis are okay do we see the contradiction at what point are we 0.89

00:26:44.260 going to say yeah enough is enough this is who the young men are going to listen to older men 0.98

00:26:49.200 wise men tested men and as far as the women go we love you we don't want to speak negatively of you

00:26:54.920 we don't want to drag you down to our level to rhetoric and to anything cruel you have got to

00:27:01.080 get off stage you've got to go bye sweetheart uh i feel like real quick before we go to the 0.57

00:27:09.080 commercial so if you have riley gains a year ago posing for a bikini calendar but don't worry it

00:27:15.460 was a conservative bikini calendar and then saying you know how could you possibly disagree with

00:27:20.760 ali best ducky yes men you know need to give up their porn habits also buy my calendar for 29.99

00:27:27.460 you'll see me you know in a two-piece um the hypocrisy is glaring of course uh but since

00:27:34.400 we've you know since we've delved into the word bikini i would love like a an early life you know

00:27:41.860 like a little origin story little little um founding myth of bikinis where where does this

00:27:48.360 come from so we talked about this this is about a year and a half ago uh with michael the the

00:27:54.040 growth of immodesty in America. A while ago, swimming actually used to be unisex, as in men

00:27:59.500 would go swim in one area and women would go swim in another. We didn't even have mixed swimming

00:28:03.500 pools. They would say, hey, we've got to be some stage of undressed. It's not even appropriate to

00:28:07.140 be around each other. And so as they began to merge together, most of what you see would be

00:28:11.380 is equivalent of shorts and a t-shirt today, relatively modest. However, in about the 1940s

00:28:17.880 or so, here's what happened. I'm reading from a Rift TV article. How did the wearing underwear at

00:28:22.420 the beach become normal the bikini was brought to america by a jewish immigrant from france named 0.80

00:28:28.080 jacques heim i don't believe it can you believe it but listen to this he originally came up with

00:28:33.880 the design for the bikini in a fashion house in paris oh he got the french there too where he

00:28:37.980 named the swimsuit the atome to emphasize its tiny size where he compared it to that of an atom

00:28:42.920 in 1946 it made its debut in ways branded the smallest swimsuit in the world another designer

00:28:49.320 named Louis Redard had stolen Heim's design and took the first photograph of a woman in what we

00:28:53.660 now know as a modern bikini. It might be hard to believe, listen to this, but no self-respecting

00:28:58.780 models wanted to be seen wearing something so skimpy. This was in the 1940s. So Reed had to

00:29:04.500 photograph what would be the equivalent today of a prostitute. No woman in modeling, no woman in 0.99

00:29:09.680 fashion would even wear it back not 100 years ago even, 80 years ago in this country. No one would

00:29:17.620 even be caught dead wearing that to the beach and now conservatives conservatives say buy my calendar 0.72

00:29:24.400 for a nice spread of however many laters are featured in it and also men take control of 0.99

00:29:31.620 your lust and don't look at porn absolutely wild quite quite hypocritical all right now let's go

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00:33:16.880 so the Ali Beth Stuckey

00:33:21.280 Riley Gaines controversy

00:33:22.720 that was over at the weekend

00:33:23.700 and then today

00:33:24.540 we just started to

00:33:25.440 just kick things off

00:33:26.320 with another

00:33:26.740 fresh round of controversy

00:33:28.260 inspired by

00:33:29.280 conservative

00:33:30.000 claiming to be

00:33:31.580 professing Christian women 1.00

00:33:32.680 just bringing their worst takes 1.00

00:33:34.980 and again

00:33:35.280 these are influential

00:33:36.160 lots of people think this way

00:33:37.660 we're not just

00:33:38.240 setting up a straw man

00:33:39.440 or a boogeyman

00:33:40.080 and saying there's one person here

00:33:41.100 that agrees with this one thing

00:33:42.300 there are millions

00:33:43.320 I would say

00:33:43.800 of Christian women 0.73

00:33:44.540 that believe exactly this rhetoric 0.99

00:33:46.280 They have a problem with the end of it.

00:33:47.420 They have a problem with the fruit, but they fail to actually see the things that brought it to fruition.

00:33:52.800 So you'll see on the screen, this is a tweet from Allie Voss.

00:33:55.040 Allie Voss, she's part of American Conservative Coalition, a big-time Trump supporter, claims to be a professing Christian.

00:34:03.760 She said this, it's the Norman Rockwell meme with the guy standing up with kind of an unpopular opinion, but really it's, you know, kind of what everyone's thinking.

00:34:11.200 She said this, you can both oppose pornography and wear bikinis.

00:34:16.280 You can both oppose pornography and hate bikinis. 0.98

00:34:20.680 And I think this is kind of a great encapsulation of the modern American conservative woman. 1.00

00:34:25.700 She rightfully hates the downstream effects, right? 1.00

00:34:28.540 The outcome of the sexual revolution. 0.99

00:34:30.200 The outcome, I think, of all the things like feminism, the birth control pill, right?

00:34:34.620 Oh, man, the birth control pill, it brought about abortion and cheap in life and all these things.

00:34:38.940 Well, you do realize the early stages of that.

00:34:41.080 Like planned parenthood, think about that word, planned parenthood.

00:34:45.140 that laid the seedbed that ultimately abortion grew in.

00:34:49.120 So everyone will be fine with the early stages.

00:34:51.440 And right here you have exactly this.

00:34:52.920 I'm fine with a swimsuit that every American thought was scandalous 80 years ago.

00:34:58.080 So I'm fine with that.

00:34:59.200 I'm fine with, you know, some of the stages it continued to lead to,

00:35:02.080 the public undressing of America.

00:35:03.800 But now here we are at the final stage.

00:35:05.520 Oh, man, I really don't like what this brought about.

00:35:08.220 It's inspiring.

00:35:09.000 This is true. 0.99

00:35:09.700 It's violence against women. 1.00

00:35:10.920 It's destroying young men's ambition. 0.63

00:35:12.980 It's destroying marriages.

00:35:14.200 I really hate that thing.

00:35:15.580 Let's go ahead and trim the tree

00:35:16.760 and wait for the fruit to grow again in a year.

00:35:19.740 And this is yet another case study, another example. 1.00

00:35:22.280 When it comes to conservative women in our movement, 1.00

00:35:24.020 we have to say, you've got to sit in the back of the bus. 1.00

00:35:27.060 You've got to take a seat.

00:35:28.200 You are not connecting the dots here.

00:35:31.040 If you could say that about men among intellectually,

00:35:33.760 some of the ways that God has made them superior,

00:35:36.380 strategy and planning,

00:35:39.640 connecting the dots is one of them.

00:35:41.540 Men get those connections.

00:35:42.480 hey I see how this could lead to this I see how in business and strategy in chess I see 0.95

00:35:48.400 multiple steps down the way women really do struggle to see that and it's not it's not even 0.84

00:35:53.060 just a matter of like potential causality it's like actually a matter of history that this is

00:35:58.160 what has happened so it's and this is a lot of the work that the new right has tried to do is

00:36:02.360 okay we obviously all conservatives quote-unquote conservatives hate the outcomes the symptoms of

00:36:09.800 our society today the new right has said okay why do we have those what assumptions are baked into

00:36:15.340 all of these different things that you and i rightly uh despise and here you and this is where

00:36:21.200 a lot of the division is happening on the right it's like i i'm unwilling to to cast out the

00:36:26.960 assumptions for for a lot of the things i'm condemning um for all sorts of reasons i want

00:36:31.940 to hold on to them i i'm okay with being a hypocrite um and um and this is exactly what's

00:36:37.360 happening. It's like, we're pointing out to women, the reason that you are wearing bikinis 0.96

00:36:43.300 is because of this flood of the sexual revolution and the sixties and all of these things have

00:36:50.520 birthed this cultural norm. And we're actually saying, Hey, you and me both disagree with the

00:36:56.720 cultural norm. Fine. But we also disagree with everything that went into that. Right. Right. And

00:37:01.560 And so, and to Wes's point, 0.95

00:37:04.360 like this is something that women on the right 0.83

00:37:06.980 just simply just don't seem to get,

00:37:09.260 is that that's the point we're making.

00:37:11.880 Yep, well said.

00:37:13.240 Yep.

00:37:14.440 All right, we've got a lot of super chats today.

00:37:17.040 And I feel like we should,

00:37:18.580 instead of waiting to our final segment,

00:37:20.120 I think we should go ahead

00:37:21.120 and throw a couple up on the board

00:37:22.880 and start addressing them.

00:37:24.540 Then we'll go, you know, we'll take,

00:37:26.180 I don't know, maybe three or four or five.

00:37:27.820 Then we'll go to our final commercial break.

00:37:29.740 then we'll come back and finish out all the super chats all right so i'm going to go ahead and start

00:37:33.700 this is mike peters he gave us ten dollars thanks mike we appreciate it uh no comment or question

00:37:38.580 all right just 10 bucks supporting the ministry we appreciate it and he didn't just do it once

00:37:43.100 he did twice so nice look i have so much to say so nice i need to fit it into two he did it twice

00:37:48.100 he's like yeah i've got a long comment here gonna have to fit it into two zero comment ten dollars

00:37:52.540 zero comment ten dollars um that's fantastic thank you we appreciate it this is from uh producer

00:37:58.540 jt jt studios jt gave us a hundred dollars thank you we really appreciate it uh he said here's to

00:38:06.320 more apple pie amen well said so true okay this is brown anglo-saxon protestant and he said keep

00:38:16.760 up the great work looking forward to supporting your ministry the best i can god bless you thank

00:38:23.780 you we appreciate that i feel like i should have let you read that i know that's what i was i thought

00:38:27.120 I totally thought you would pass it to me.

00:38:28.740 Yeah, you're absolutely in the spirit and ethos, Anglo-Protestant, but also brown.

00:38:33.840 Yeah, that's my burner YouTube up there, honestly. 0.99

00:38:36.540 Antonio actually did that on the side during the last commercial break.

00:38:39.420 All right, Antonio, you read the next couple.

00:38:41.160 Yeah, Dapper Dan sent $9.99 and said, Antonio with many O's.

00:38:46.020 Thanks, Dapper Dan.

00:38:46.980 Happy to be back.

00:38:48.080 All caps, too.

00:38:48.980 He's excited.

00:38:49.640 All caps.

00:38:50.280 With five or six exclamation marks.

00:38:52.860 Love it.

00:38:54.140 The next, I'll do the next one here.

00:38:55.340 this dude rock sent 20 bucks thanks for that it says uh if anyone is considering supporting

00:38:59.760 overseas ministry please consider donating to or directly partnering with ministries in japan

00:39:03.780 they are ripe for conversion but the labors are few labors and dollars labors and dollars

00:39:09.660 is low for our great friends yeah now there's a couple guys uh i know there's a serious church

00:39:16.340 plant it's tough going there japan is very i think single digit percentage christian now

00:39:21.320 interestingly it's not as hostile i just looked it up yeah one last time i saw a couple years back

00:39:26.560 it was two percent so now it's not as hostile openly as like islamic countries would be for

00:39:30.980 example or or probably even i would think uh like some of south asia so like india but um but there's

00:39:36.820 a culture there that very much so is not friendly to christianity yeah it's just it's just you know

00:39:41.580 baked in tradition and right just really ossified um so and there's a language barrier too like you 0.99

00:39:47.940 You have to spend so long.

00:39:49.360 If you're an American, this is worth considering with Overseas Mission.

00:39:51.940 Praise God for the people that go to spread the gospel.

00:39:54.500 But think about it.

00:39:55.180 Some of you, you'd have to spend five to ten years just learning and immersing yourself in the language just to even be conversational.

00:40:01.920 You're not talking like in a year, like I could be on the mission field.

00:40:04.540 You need to take guys for half a decade at best before they're even starting to be effective.

00:40:09.900 Right.

00:40:09.980 Okay, this is so Mike Peters followed up his Super Chats with comments.

00:40:15.720 And so we want to honor that because he did support us.

00:40:18.280 We appreciate it.

00:40:18.880 He said, this is a two-parter.

00:40:20.760 He said, my wife and I grew up IFB.

00:40:23.240 So that's Independent Fundamental Baptists.

00:40:25.700 We served 10 years in Spain, became Reformed Baptist, and now attend an SBC.

00:40:32.920 That's the Southern Baptist Convention Church.

00:40:36.220 I must return to pastoral ministry.

00:40:39.580 However, since we left the IFB, I seem to be like a man without a tribe.

00:40:47.440 We are a family of seven, and the SBC isn't for us.

00:40:52.060 Any advice on returning to pastoring?

00:40:56.440 It's tough out there.

00:40:58.200 Definitely tough, honestly, if you're actually cold, right?

00:41:02.740 So take this with a grain of salt.

00:41:04.600 I'm not giving this advice or this council in a universal sense to just anybody and everybody who wants to be in ministry.

00:41:11.540 But for the guys who really are called to do it and have some experience,

00:41:17.460 and it sounds like this individual does, but they feel like they're without a tribe,

00:41:22.040 I think that for the foreseeable future, I don't think it has not always been this way.

00:41:26.040 I do not believe it always will be this way.

00:41:28.040 But I think the cement has not yet settled.

00:41:32.320 right it hasn't yet hardened um i think a lot of people we went through 2020 you know blm

00:41:38.740 covid george floyd these kinds of things and there were these dividing lines right and and within the

00:41:44.920 conservative movement some people you know landed on one side of the equation people landed on

00:41:49.700 another and i think that a lot of us myself included felt like you know that was it that

00:41:54.940 that was the great sifting right that the lord took his winnowing fork and he sifted you know

00:42:00.660 the wheat from the tares among the conservative you know side of the equation and you know we

00:42:06.960 lost about half of our team you know and guys are you know giddy and posting you know the lord is

00:42:11.820 dwindling our ranks but he's going to do a great thing and i think there's a lot of truth in that

00:42:16.040 i think the only thing that was short-sighted naive for many of us including myself was to

00:42:21.020 think that that was it uh you know in the true giddy and fashion there's actually a couple of

00:42:26.400 these sifting experiences, not just one. The Lord dwindles it down, and then he dwindles it down

00:42:32.160 even further. And what I've realized now five years later from 2020, and this great winnowing

00:42:38.360 and sifting that God seems to be doing, is that the sifting is not quite over. The cement is not

00:42:46.760 quite hardened. The dust is not quite settled. And I predict at this point, I think it's probably

00:42:54.420 safe to say that it's not going to settle anytime soon. That's not to say that the political right,

00:43:02.200 cultural right, religious right, whatever you want to call it, that it'll just constantly be

00:43:06.420 splitting the penny a million times into infinity perpetually without end. I'm not saying that. I do

00:43:14.040 think that there will be eventually a settling. I think eventually there will be a finality to what

00:43:22.120 the Lord is doing. I just don't think that that settling and finality is directly around the next

00:43:29.520 corner. It's been five years now, and I think what we're realizing is that we were much further off

00:43:34.340 the rails than we first understood. At first, it was just like, you know what? We're doing great.

00:43:41.240 Conservative Christians, those who are conservative culturally, politically, we're doing great. We

00:43:46.800 just went a little bit too far to where you know we started worshiping black people in saint george

00:43:52.260 floyd you know and uh as long as we fix that then we're right back on target and uh and that's it

00:43:59.780 that's that's really the only mistake that we've made in the last 80 years and here we are five

00:44:04.620 years after 2020 and the sifting continues because we're realizing oh it's it's more than just blm

00:44:13.340 that we got wrong you know there's there's a lot of stuff that we've been missing and god has used

00:44:19.580 in his providence in the past some great men to write several books you know uh espousing in

00:44:26.940 great detail not one or two things but the many dozens of things that conservatives have gotten

00:44:33.060 wrong i think of pat buchanan it was his birthday uh i believe just yesterday um and pat buchanan

00:44:39.220 you know, writing about many of these kinds of things that are now resurfacing into the public

00:44:46.740 discourse, he was smeared and defrocked and silenced for the most part, even though he was

00:44:56.000 pretty much right about everything. But a bunch of conservatives, not just liberals, but conservatives,

00:45:02.120 many of them Jewish, would come out with their yarmulkes and at his public rallies and speeches

00:45:07.920 hold signs saying pat buchanan is a racist pat buchanan is an anti-semite um if you're wondering 0.85

00:45:14.120 you know that sounds familiar where have i seen that recently well it would be tucker carlson

00:45:18.800 right you have the same individuals and it just is guys i'm not trying to just pick on some of it but

00:45:23.980 it's it is jews it is it's not exclusively jews i'm not saying it's only jews um but i mean there

00:45:31.100 was recently some republican convention of sorts and and there was a bunch of young jewish men

00:45:37.500 claiming to be conservatives some of the notable ones were literally democrats just a couple years

00:45:43.560 ago but claiming to be conservatives jewish men wearing red yarmulkes that said trump right

00:45:51.520 wear maga and holding signs it said uh tucker is not maga and i mean you look at that and the

00:46:02.180 reason why i think it's worth noting is it's like i've seen this before like this exact thing guys

00:46:08.940 in yarmulkes the tiny hats right the every single time group holding signs saying racist anti-semite

00:46:17.940 it's the same play it's the same thing that happened to pat buchanan and but my whole point

00:46:23.200 bringing this up is to say um you should be pat buchanan maxing you should be reading some of

00:46:28.380 these guys and what you'll realize it's it's not just one thing it's not that you know what

00:46:33.000 conservatives have been just right on track but we just got a little carried away on one particular

00:46:38.940 issue when it came to george floyd no we have been off the rails for decades and decades and decades

00:46:45.400 in other words there's still sadly i'm not happy about it but if we're going to be realistic

00:46:51.840 realistic and discerning and wise and not naive i think we need to admit that there are actually

00:46:57.520 several more issues for the right to splinter over and divide over into even smaller more

00:47:06.840 particular factions for the next foreseeable future for the next several years we thought

00:47:14.420 2020 that's it that was the test and half of our team passed the test half of our team failed the

00:47:19.320 test but now we know who's on the right side it's us in the babylon b right oh you know uh it's us

00:47:27.220 and you know and and so and so is oh like and and what we've seen is with each passing year and

00:47:33.920 honestly even more frequent than that every few months we it's as though the lord providentially

00:47:39.220 gives to conservatives another test and then another test and another test um how much repentance

00:47:47.300 are you willing to walk in right you want to just go back five years repent of the last five years

00:47:55.140 of sin or the last 10 years of sin or do you want to repent over the last 20 years of sin

00:48:00.040 or do you want to repent over the last century of sin and it's and i really think that is the

00:48:05.880 way to frame it it's basically our team gets smaller and smaller um because uh it's as though

00:48:13.140 the lord is is calling us to repent for more and more and the reality is that um we don't just need

00:48:20.860 to repeal the 19th amendment, which we do. We need to repeal the 19th century, the whole thing,

00:48:28.780 all of it. It was all bad. It was all compromise. It was all liberal. It was all anti-biblical, 1.00

00:48:34.620 anti-tradition, anti-everything foundational that built the West. And so I don't see this ending

00:48:43.060 anytime soon. And so because of that, back to Mike Peters and his question, where do I go?

00:48:49.020 who do I sign up with? I feel like a man without a tribe, but I feel called to pastoral ministry.

00:48:54.200 I have experience in doing it in the past. My best advice, and again, this is not generic for

00:48:59.920 just anybody who has a dream in their heart to be a pastor. A lot of guys need to take that dream

00:49:05.020 and crush it, because it's probably actually not from the Lord. But for the few individuals who

00:49:10.180 are genuinely called for the foreseeable future, as we're still being sifted like wheat, and we're

00:49:17.680 still being tested by the lord and we're still finding certain individuals that were allies last

00:49:23.660 week are switching teams the following week it's probably not a great time just thinking

00:49:32.000 strategically a great time to bind yourself to a particular denomination right it's like hey well

00:49:41.400 you know um the sbc is based you know and then you get to the next convention and they disappoint

00:49:47.120 you, right? Or the CREC is based, you know, and then you get to have a, you know, a Mary Judeo

00:49:54.460 Christmas article. You know what I mean? It's, I think, I'm not, this is, now hear me, there are

00:50:00.900 timeless truths and timely truths. This is not a timeless truth. I'm not saying for all of time,

00:50:06.740 in all places, in all times, no one should ever be a part of a denomination, and every single

00:50:12.600 church should be independent and not have any formal ties with anyone outside of their four

00:50:18.440 walls. I think that's foolish, right? I'm not prescribing this as this is God's plan for the 0.95

00:50:24.460 church for all places and all times. I'm not saying that. I'm saying that in a not timeless,

00:50:31.040 but timely fashion, I think that right now as the church and conservatives are being sifted

00:50:38.580 day by day by day and being surprised day by day by day who's left standing, who's really with us,

00:50:47.920 it's probably not a great time to make very formal binding alliances and to give people

00:50:55.240 outside of your local ministry context significant degrees of power and authority over you to where

00:51:03.280 all of a sudden, the next test comes down the providential pipeline. You pass, your denomination

00:51:09.160 fails, and you find out the next week you've been called up on formal charges and are potentially

00:51:15.340 being defrocked. So, long answer, the short version is, if you're really called to ministry,

00:51:23.200 then plant a church, and you can figure out a denomination later on. That's my thought.

00:51:28.920 well said that one guy sent $20 he said thanks so much for sending that hey Joel I've been

00:51:36.140 listening for a year now and I love the podcast thanks so much I just graduated high school and

00:51:40.720 I'm interested in going for a degree in theology but I'm not sure if there's any seminaries left 1.00

00:51:45.260 that aren't fake and gay I'll turn the seminary to one to you in a second but I would say just 1.00

00:51:50.520 graduating high school just be careful I don't know if God's called you to ministry but there 0.90

00:51:55.180 are a lot of men that want to make a difference and there are men that want to make a difference

00:51:58.660 And if they follow a lot of theology, follow a lot of pastors, they may feel as though

00:52:03.200 pastor is the only way to do it.

00:52:05.300 And so you're at a great stage in life.

00:52:06.640 You have a lot of opportunity ahead of you.

00:52:08.560 Just be careful.

00:52:09.200 I talked to a guy in the last month.

00:52:10.880 He just finished up seminary.

00:52:12.000 I think he spent four or five years doing it.

00:52:14.040 But what he's really become interested, actually, is in politics.

00:52:17.600 So he came up during a time when it was John Piper and John MacArthur and R.C. Sproul.

00:52:21.140 Those are all the guys you listen to.

00:52:23.060 So naturally, he said, I want to be a pastor.

00:52:24.840 That's who has influence.

00:52:25.660 That's who people look up to.

00:52:26.660 there's lots of actual tons of avenues by which you can change the world by which you can be

00:52:31.020 influential for the kingdom so uh god may very well be calling you to ministry but also you may

00:52:37.280 be an ambitious young man who's smart wants to change the world and just see that there are

00:52:41.920 other options besides pastor to pick as a vocation to do it so just because graduating high school

00:52:47.160 figured i'd throw that out there joel he asked about seminaries are there any left not faking

00:52:51.520 gay i don't know that's a good answer though um i think that the the tide is turning on um

00:53:00.000 on that phenomenon of you know young men wanting desiring in mass um to be pastors and go towards

00:53:09.840 vocational ministry i think that there was a time you know young reformed and restless movement you

00:53:15.500 think of the 90s, early 2000s, all the way stretching really, I think, till recently,

00:53:20.940 2015, 2017, maybe even all the way up to 2020. That was kind of the thing. If you had a young

00:53:26.440 man who loved the world, was intellectually, you know, fit and had a zeal for Christ and his

00:53:38.740 kingdom, he just kind of by default assumed that he was called to ministry. And so you had a lot

00:53:45.540 of young men wanting to be pastors and a lot of those young men being disappointed because

00:53:49.320 there were, in some sense, more men that wanted to be pastors and there were actually

00:53:53.620 churches to be pastored by them. I think that that's actually changing rapidly to the point

00:54:02.700 I think that, you know, and also just in terms of the boomer generation, there's just so many older men who are all going to be retiring at once, all in short order in the next five years or so.

00:54:19.000 I actually think that we're probably going to be understaffed when it comes to local churches.

00:54:23.840 I think that there's actually going to be an epidemic of pastorless churches. 0.98

00:54:29.020 And I think for a number of reasons, one, again, the boomers kind of fading out, many 0.72

00:54:34.020 of them being ministers. 0.91

00:54:35.920 And then I think in addition to that, also just the vibe shift is real.

00:54:41.780 I think a lot of men have come in the last few years to that realization of what Wes

00:54:47.100 just said, which is absolutely true, that there's actually a lot of ways to serve the

00:54:52.300 lord um significantly and to make an impact for the kingdom significantly outside of vocational

00:54:59.780 ministry so um so i actually think that we are going to have a need for pastors so i don't want

00:55:06.320 to discourage any young man who feels particularly called to that and the reality is that um there

00:55:12.300 really is no substitute for credentials right so like for me my personal story you know i'm tempted

00:55:18.180 to just say well just you know you can just do it and you can you technically can um what matters

00:55:25.580 ultimately is that you've studied to show yourself approved not that you have a piece of paper that

00:55:30.560 says you've studied you know to show yourself approved like if you're studying theology and

00:55:35.480 and studying church history and these kinds of things you can you can do it you know it's kind

00:55:40.300 of like the goodwill hunting you know like um you'll find out the irony is you'll find out you

00:55:44.400 know that you know you could have gotten the same education with a library card you know and a few

00:55:48.540 overdue fines um so the real the real prerequisite for knowledge is desire not university but desire

00:55:57.920 that said the way of the world we're speaking in terms of reality um credentialism is real

00:56:06.380 institutions are real and i think that we're being foolish um if we look to the vast majority

00:56:15.540 of world shaking men and don't pick up on the common denominator that the vast majority of them

00:56:22.460 went to harvard right went to oxford went to seminary have a phd or you know or come from

00:56:30.480 this particular family or have this particular achievement. So can you be homegrown, organic,

00:56:38.440 right? Organic and truly on your own without seminary, study the word of God and know God's

00:56:45.600 word, hide it in your heart. Well, of course, of course, of course you can do that. But a lot of

00:56:53.680 it depends on you and what are your desires? Because you might say, like I said, and like

00:56:59.160 others like me have said well i don't i'm content i'm content to just know the word of god study it

00:57:06.600 be faithful as best i can in a smaller context and that's enough for me and then later on in life

00:57:14.840 your desires can change and and you start to really uh to see something that previously you

00:57:23.760 just weren't able to see, but then realize that there are some things that really are

00:57:29.600 for the rest of your life out of reach.

00:57:32.520 Like there are certain things I will never be able to do.

00:57:35.640 By God's grace, it's like I've got, you know, I'm like a four-cylinder, you know, Honda

00:57:39.140 Civic, and I'm firing on all four of those cylinders as fast as I can.

00:57:43.580 But there's certain things that only a Ferrari can do, and I'm not a Ferrari.

00:57:47.980 And the decision of being a Ferrari, once upon a time, that was on the table as a possibility.

00:57:53.760 Um, but I, I passed it by and at, you know, in your thirties, especially later in your

00:58:02.360 forties, when you have, in my case, five kids and a wife and a local church that you're

00:58:07.220 pastoring and this, that, and the, I'm not going to Harvard.

00:58:10.960 Not going to happen, right?

00:58:12.620 Um, number one, I don't even think I could get in, but even if they made some kind of

00:58:16.000 exception, like we'll, we'll make an exception for someone who has a podcast with over a

00:58:19.940 hundred thousand followers like okay like but when am i gonna do it when am i gonna have the time

00:58:24.740 like i that ship has sailed in other words right it's interesting when you're in your early 20s

00:58:30.860 it's kind of like the sky's the limit you know i could be anything i remember feeling that i remember

00:58:36.320 it was about the time i hit i think it was like when i turned 27 27 or 28 years old and i remember

00:58:42.960 thinking about rc sprawl always have appreciated rc sprawl and i thought um i wonder if one day

00:58:48.160 I'll be an RC's bowl. And then it finally hit me and I realized, Oh, of course I'm not. And the

00:58:52.960 reason why is because as you get older, um, you're making more and more choices. And with each passing

00:58:59.280 choice, it narrows the future potential, the future possibilities. And so I thought, Hey,

00:59:04.980 I can answer. I actually, you know, the verdict is not still out. The verdict has come back in.

00:59:08.900 If I have the courage and the willingness, the humility to see it, to view myself with sober

00:59:12.920 judgment, I can actually view the verdict, which has already come back in. Um, I can answer

00:59:17.640 definitively the question of, will Joel Webben be the next R.C. Sproul? And here's how you answer

00:59:21.840 it. What was R.C. Sproul doing, and what had he already done by the time he was the age I am now,

00:59:27.920 right? And for me, I was 27, 28 years old. So I looked at him, and he was on the other side of

00:59:32.420 the world. He had learned how to speak Dutch. He was studying under one of the most renowned

00:59:38.620 theological professors currently alive at that time and um working i think on his phd

00:59:47.740 and then i looked at my life i was like okay and nope yeah that ship sailed yep not gonna happen

00:59:55.260 not gonna happen i'm not that i'm not him um so whatever god has for me it can be great but it

01:00:00.420 won't be that great um and so anyways my point in all that is to say um for a young man who you

01:00:08.260 know is like well every single seminary is fake and gay i'm giving kind of an unusual answer but

01:00:12.540 i just think it's we've said multiple times yeah you can't go here you can't go there they're sold 0.88

01:00:16.280 out they're compromised and all that is true but i guess this is probably the other side of the

01:00:20.700 equation that i've come to see as i'm older and i and i usually don't give this answer so it's

01:00:24.640 probably probably good if i you know at least in one live stream in one episode just at least go

01:00:31.160 on record and say it once and so what i'm saying is this even if it's a school that is compromised

01:00:37.000 even if it's a school that is fake and gay um there are plenty of based conservative

01:00:45.620 significant influential individuals who are only in the degree of influence they currently wield 0.72

01:00:54.720 only in that position because not only were they organically gifted but they were also in an

01:01:01.260 institutional sense credentialed and the credentials they got were from a school that 0.74

01:01:07.560 even when they went was also fake and gay but they still went and they still checked the box 0.92

01:01:13.820 got the title got the pedigree and it mattered it actually mattered there were so many stories 0.95

01:01:21.040 when you look at this guy and that guy like all your heroes all these guys um i i just we're

01:01:26.520 kidding ourselves if we don't acknowledge a a glaring common denominator which is oh they all

01:01:32.180 went to ivy league schools or oh they all studied abroad or oh they all you know x y and z and if we

01:01:38.320 and if we kid ourselves and just say well they did that because at the time all those contexts and

01:01:43.560 all those institutions where they went uh there were no problems now there were problems then too

01:01:48.640 maybe not to this degree maybe not in the same way but they were problems um they were facing

01:01:54.640 the same decision, at least in principle, maybe not the same degree, but the same

01:01:58.440 conceptually, the same difficulty that we face today of, do I really want to go to that institution

01:02:06.060 and get that credential knowing that they're compromised in this way? But pretty much every

01:02:11.300 significant influential person that you could think of, probably 90% of them, when they were

01:02:18.040 faced with that decision, they answer that decision by saying, yes, I'll suck it up. I'll

01:02:22.940 put my head down. I'll study hard. I'll spend seven years of my life, not in my 40s, but in

01:02:29.380 my 20s and check this box that if I don't check now in my third decade of life, my 20s, I know

01:02:37.420 that the ship will sail and I'll never check it again. But this will open certain doors. It's not

01:02:42.440 even I'll rely on the things I learned here. I may learn garbage here and all my true learning

01:02:47.500 came organically and being self-taught but the credential itself will open up certain doors for

01:02:53.100 the rest of my life that will not be opened otherwise that is a reality of life i personally

01:02:58.340 hate it but i'm not going to sit here and lie to you and pretend that it doesn't exist because it

01:03:03.560 does right yeah you know this yeah yeah i as someone who went to a certain like just in

01:03:10.560 complete liberal institution thoroughly liberal institution but undergraduate but you don't have

01:03:16.320 to brag on yourself i'll brag for you but like what top yeah second second top 20 i would say

01:03:22.340 top 20 okay yeah um and uh yeah i think there's something to as long as you know what you're

01:03:27.620 signing up for like i was in a position presumably this person's in a position to know what they're

01:03:32.740 signing up for which is i'm going to go into an environment where um that is ideological

01:03:37.540 ideologically hostile and you can sign up for that and you can be an ideal you know ideological

01:03:42.800 rabble rouser, to use a phrase. And if you go in with that mindset, you recognize you're going to

01:03:48.540 have access to all sorts of, because it's not necessarily about the lectures. It's not about

01:03:54.880 the professorship per se. It's about the resources that these institutions can provide. And so as

01:04:01.580 long as you know what you're signing up for, you go into it level-headed, I think you can make,

01:04:06.720 you can build your resume on the back of institutions despite not actually, you know,

01:04:11.560 ideologically belonging to the institution itself and many people have done this um and so i it's

01:04:17.140 definitely something you should consider um carefully um i was also going to say it reminds

01:04:21.920 me of a meme it's like uh when your friend your 30 year old friend wants to reinvent his life and

01:04:26.420 then it's like in parentheses it's over yep yep um nathan real quick how many more super chats do

01:04:33.700 we have just those two that we got oh my my my all right here we go last commercial break yeah

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01:08:22.720 Next one.

01:08:23.760 Antonio, you take it.

01:08:24.920 Yeah, this dude rocks, sent $2 and says,

01:08:28.400 regarding MMA, do y'all watch?

01:08:30.640 And who's your favorite fighters?

01:08:32.600 And I have to say, this dude gets it. 1.00

01:08:34.380 Because when the black guy returns, 0.84

01:08:36.100 that's when the sports questions come out.

01:08:38.740 these guys would would be equipped to answer it but i will say my uh my favorite fighter is

01:08:44.440 dustin poirier i loosely followed the ufc and i assume that's what he means here i've loosely

01:08:49.160 followed the ufc for a number of years now and uh dustin poirier is my all-time favorite fighter i

01:08:54.040 also like uh charles olivera i like gsp who's a legend um yeah so if you can uh bear the the slop

01:09:02.240 that is just infused into the ufc uh i think it's a it's a decent sport to follow so uh good

01:09:09.000 question we can keep it going here um i can do the next one too glenn lawrence presents uh sent

01:09:14.300 25 uh thanks for that and says ali wasn't wrong in what she said or what was said but the fact

01:09:20.360 that she that she only addressed part of the problem she never addressed women's part in the

01:09:24.620 creation of it or wives role in the neglecting of their husbands yeah that's true it's something

01:09:30.640 you never really hear you never hear that that side of the argument yeah men need to be talked

01:09:34.580 to um but they need to be talked to by men um so we're not sitting here saying men aren't

01:09:40.360 responsible um of course they are but they need a man to tell them that um and then in addition

01:09:46.360 you know one of the problems is of course the unchecked unbridled uh lust of men not kept under

01:09:53.600 self-control a man without self-control is like a city without walls broken into plundered the

01:09:59.000 Proverbs speak of this. That's true. But at the same time, there are certain things that women

01:10:05.240 can do to greatly aid men in this battle. One is modesty, of course. But another, speaking to

01:10:13.680 individual women as wives, is loving their husbands, submitting to their husbands, and

01:10:19.300 having a regular intimate relationship with their husbands. As a pastor, I have had multiple

01:10:26.200 counseling sessions with christian married men who are married to a christian woman

01:10:31.400 and they you know would have a hard time telling you the last time they were with their wife their

01:10:38.900 wife is not interested she's cold and so there's the full expectation for her husband to be

01:10:46.240 self-controlled and he should be but there's not a willingness to serve him in that capacity and

01:10:52.940 the reality is a lot of women don't want to hear this, but that is one. I'm not saying it's the

01:10:57.240 premier purpose for marriage, but it is one of God's purposes for marriage. Marriage exists.

01:11:04.380 You think of Ephesians, right? And this is a mystery, right? Speaking of marriage, but the 0.87

01:11:08.560 mystery now revealed in Christ that marriage, human marriage, earthly marriage, signifies,

01:11:14.200 typifies the eternal marriage between Christ as the groom and the church, as the bride. So one of

01:11:20.140 the purposes of marriage is as a type to signify, symbolize the gospel, the eternal marriage that

01:11:28.420 exists between Christ and his bride, the church. That's a purpose of marriage. Another chief

01:11:33.420 purpose of marriage is procreation, to create children. And those children would be trained up 0.91

01:11:42.160 in the fear and admonition of the Lord, and that we would be fruitful and multiply and fill the

01:11:46.120 earth, not with reprobates, but by the grace of God, insofar as it depends on us, we would fill

01:11:51.680 the world with image-bearing worshipers of the triune God. So as a type to signify the gospel

01:11:58.960 and the eternal marriage between Christ and the church, also procreation to be fruitful and

01:12:04.580 multiply and catechize and disciple those children to fear and honor the Lord. But another purpose

01:12:11.820 of marriage. You could say procreation. You could also say sanctification. In marriage, God takes 0.86

01:12:17.200 two idol worshipers, two idolaters, two sinners, and he locks them in covenant in close quarters

01:12:23.960 so that they stomp on each other's idols. There is nothing like marriage to sanctify a man or to

01:12:30.360 sanctify a woman, and that's not because women are just so terrible to live with. I'm not saying that 0.93

01:12:34.900 or that men are just unbearable, but it's because of the proximity. There's nothing more intimate,

01:12:39.740 nothing more um close closely knitted together um you're talking about someone that you you

01:12:46.520 literally you don't just share a house you share children you share a room you share a bed with

01:12:52.480 this person so all of their faults and flaws and failures are blatantly apparent to you in a way

01:13:03.020 that they're not apparent to the rest of the world and vice versa and so marriage exists as

01:13:09.180 a proclamation, right? So this is the preacher in me. Proclamation of the gospel, Christ and the

01:13:15.680 church. Procreation of children. Sanctification. But then also, here's one more, as a bulwark 0.74

01:13:25.300 against temptation. So proclamation of the gospel. Procreation with children. Sanctification being

01:13:30.920 formed more into the image of Christ as you stomp on each other's idols, be it by your intention

01:13:37.480 or unintentionally as two sinners locked in close quarters sanctification and then lastly a bulwark

01:13:43.880 against temptation um that's what the bible says i mean the apostle paul literally says

01:13:49.720 speaking of himself and a gift of singleness not the gift of singleness but the gift of celibacy

01:13:54.720 allowing for the state of singleness but he says you know i wish that all men were as i were and

01:14:01.140 he's not prescribing he's not saying every man shouldn't marry because then the whole human race

01:14:05.420 would end. He's not retarded. But he's recognizing this is a supernatural gift, and it does come from 0.97

01:14:10.560 the Lord, namely not the gift of singleness, but the gift of celibacy, because it allows for a man

01:14:15.440 for his interests to not be divided, right? The married man, his interests are divided, how he

01:14:19.440 can please the Lord, but also how he can please his wife. But he recognizes that's not going to 0.91

01:14:23.500 be the case. In fact, his particular situation, the gift of celibacy, he recognizes that that's

01:14:28.540 the minority report. That is going to be few and far between. For the vast majority of men,

01:14:33.360 it's not going to be the gift of celibacy it's going to be the gift of marriage and one of the

01:14:38.320 reasons why is because most men says the apostle paul inspired by the holy spirit in holy scripture

01:14:44.360 one of the reasons why most men will be given the gift of marriage is because most men burn

01:14:50.180 with passion and he says that if he burns with passion let him marry that action and men need

01:14:57.820 to hear this. And women, you need to hear this too. A good, holy, sanctified, God-glorifying

01:15:05.840 motive for marriage is, I'm horny. I'm going to say that again. A good, God-honoring, God-glorifying,

01:15:18.140 holy motivation for marriage, biblical marriage, is, I burn with passion. I burn with passion,

01:15:26.480 but i'm only going to execute this desire through the proper god-given avenue and so

01:15:35.420 i'm going to take a wife and i'm going to love her as christ loved the church and i'm going to 0.97

01:15:41.000 have as much god-honoring biblically permissible sex as i possibly can with this woman as a hedge 0.55

01:15:50.640 against temptation and paul literally says this in scripture he says do not deprive one another

01:15:56.940 speaking about sexual intimacy except by mutual consent so not just and i'm not in the mood honey

01:16:04.880 uh well i am in the mood okay then the bible's pretty clear what we need to do i'm not talking

01:16:13.260 about some of the rare exceptions somebody you know is a quadriplegic you know or got hit by a

01:16:18.020 truck or you know postpartum you know postpartum yes of course there are exceptions so disclaimers

01:16:23.160 being included you fill in the blank there are some some real legitimate exceptions but in general

01:16:28.960 i'm speaking in general that's how the bible speaks in this matter in general you should not

01:16:34.300 deprive each other of sexual intimacy in the covenant of marriage wife to husband and her

01:16:39.320 obligation husband to wife in his obligation unless it is by mutual consent for the body of

01:16:44.880 the wife belongs to the husband and the body of the husband likewise belongs to the wife this is

01:16:50.140 why even in in european and american legislation and laws for inmates even a guy who's a criminal

01:16:58.380 in prison conjugal rights not privileges rights well where do they come up with that you broke

01:17:06.700 the law you're a criminal and you get to have sex for fun why because the bible said so because the

01:17:14.520 Bible, the foundation of Western civilization and common law, said so. And the Bible views it

01:17:21.700 not merely as a privilege. It is a gift. It is pleasurable. It is a privilege. But the Bible

01:17:26.680 also labels it underneath the category of a moral duty, an obligation that the wife owes to her

01:17:34.280 husband in this covenant, his conjugal rights, and vice versa. The husband owes to his wife

01:17:41.600 in the covenant of marriage conjugal rights and so they should not deprive each other except the

01:17:47.760 implication here is on rare occasion by only exclusively mutual consent and only one reason

01:17:56.500 for this rare abstinence in marriage which is to devote themselves to prayer and even then

01:18:04.440 Paul gives a disclaimer and says, but even then, only for a short time. Why? Because there is much

01:18:12.240 temptation in the world. So one of God's purposes in the Bible for marriage is so that you can have

01:18:20.820 sex on a regular basis with your spouse. Because if you don't, there's a lot of temptation in the

01:18:27.320 world. So when it comes to pornography, men need to be told to have self-control, to get it together,

01:18:34.880 and to resist heinous, wicked temptation. Also, women need to be told, young women who are married

01:18:44.960 to young men with high libidos, they need to be told, serve your husband, help him guard against

01:18:52.740 temptation by sleeping with him a lot okay but i didn't see that part of the speech

01:19:02.260 if if you have a woman number one it'd be nice if it was an older woman

01:19:07.980 right not not someone who's 33 and leaving her small children to go on the conference circuit

01:19:14.260 number two so older woman number two it'd be nice if men weren't in the room and she was actually

01:19:20.140 doing what the bible said and exclusively teaching women younger women number three it'd be nice for

01:19:26.240 her because only women are present in the room to not give instructions to men who shouldn't be in 0.51

01:19:31.640 the room but to actually instruct women and if those first three criteria according to tides

01:19:37.440 chapter two were actually being kept and observed in a biblical fashion she's an older woman not a

01:19:43.000 younger woman neglecting her own children at home she's teaching younger women and not younger women

01:19:49.540 and older women and younger men and older men, then the third thing would fall in line, which

01:19:55.720 is the criteria, or not criteria, but curriculum. If women were the only people present in the

01:20:00.780 audience, then she would only be inclined to instruct her audience, which is exclusively 0.99

01:20:06.120 women. So then she wouldn't be speaking the instruction for men. Men, we need you to do this 0.97

01:20:11.340 and that and the other. It would be women, since you're the only ones in the room, because you're 1.00

01:20:15.140 only ones who are supposed to be in the room you need to do x y and z and one of those things among 1.00

01:20:20.420 many but one of them would be um you want to help your husbands not fall for the temptation

01:20:25.640 of pornography you need to be sleeping with them more often glory be to god i was gonna say duty

01:20:33.300 sex gets this whole bad rap but think about men that work 40 50 hours a week that's duty a lot

01:20:38.100 of them are not thrilled with it they don't have great jobs and a lot of them god bless them they

01:20:42.040 go out with a smile on their face and they do their duty because that's what God has called

01:20:45.480 them to do. When it comes to wives, here's one of the duties God has laid out to you. Do it with

01:20:49.780 enthusiasm, with cheerfulness, and God will be glorified in it. Amen. Okay. Antonio, you want to

01:20:55.800 take the next one? Yep. Thomas Howard sent $20 and says, the point that was made about how one

01:21:01.840 woman changes the dynamic of the workplace. I'm a team leader in a combat MOS in the army. I had

01:21:07.640 a female soldier who was a real issue as soon as she was transferred out major morale boost many

01:21:12.840 such cases yes well said uh west all right next codec joe sent five dollars longtime supporter

01:21:19.640 thanks for the five bucks as a father of two daughters that are roughly 10 years from marriage

01:21:24.060 would you suggest talking to fathers of older boys about potential planned marriage so type

01:21:29.700 of arranged marriage we need to do a full episode on that at some point a full episode on arranged

01:21:35.360 marriage but also a full episode i think this is what you're getting at wes it needs to be done

01:21:39.960 with maturity right so we don't need to be you know hashtag based you know those kinds of but

01:21:45.880 um listen guys i i i know it's uncomfortable i know we don't like it i'm just i'm gonna say it

01:21:53.280 all right this will be a teaser for something that will be more thorough in the future right

01:21:57.120 so give me a little bit of charity here all right this is the short version so not every disclaimer

01:22:01.720 and nuance will be there. But it does need to be said that at various times, and not few and far

01:22:08.060 between actually, you can make an argument that the lion's share of Christendom in Western

01:22:13.800 civilization over the past millennia, it was a regular occurrence that men would marry women

01:22:21.880 who were significantly their younger. Now, I'm not talking about Islam. Looking at you, Muhammad, 0.90

01:22:29.640 right i'm not talking about marrying nine-year-olds i'm not talking about marrying seven-year-olds i 1.00

01:22:36.240 think that that is atrocious okay i want to go on record saying that however there have been

01:22:42.640 many societies and i'm not talking about islamic ones or pagan ones but christ honoring ones

01:22:49.660 where a woman will marry a man when she is relatively young not seven not nine but

01:22:59.020 15, 16, 17 years old. I know in some cases younger. I do think that there are the timeless

01:23:07.840 universal biblical principles. That's first and foremost. There is something to be said for

01:23:12.660 social norms. When social norms are blatantly in contradiction, they're immoral, blatantly immoral

01:23:19.080 and in contradiction to the word of God, then we disregard those social norms. But there are some

01:23:23.660 social norms that are permissible that don't inherently contain within them blatant sin

01:23:29.360 right right so if there is a major social norm that um 15 year olds don't get married and i

01:23:36.420 would argue that we currently have that social norm then i don't think that uh we need to come

01:23:41.300 on and press 15 year old girls if they want to honor christ the only way they can is to get

01:23:45.980 married at that age um that's not my position that's not what i'm saying but relatively young

01:23:51.800 coupling that with um with some of the social norms today so long as they're not the blatantly

01:23:59.380 contradicting social norms that go against the scripture so relatively young but here's the big

01:24:04.760 point it was a regular occurrence throughout christendom in the west that an older man and

01:24:11.680 i'm you know just to give a little bit of specification i'm not saying it has to be these

01:24:15.580 exact years but just so you don't think i'm saying 75 years old and a 15 year old girl that's not

01:24:20.620 what I'm saying. But a man who is in his mid-late 20s, a man who is even in his early 30s with a

01:24:28.060 bride who is 17, 18, 19 years old, that was a regular occurrence. And the same way that I don't

01:24:38.880 want to look to all my Christian fathers and say that they were racist, I also don't want to look 0.81

01:24:44.700 to a vast majority of my Christian fathers and call them pedophiles. I don't believe that they

01:24:51.300 were. Now, is there a line here? Of course. So all this has to be considered within prudence

01:25:03.100 and wisdom. But just the general idea, the general concept of a man being older and a woman being

01:25:13.420 younger as they enter into marriage. There is precedent in the West. There is precedent in the

01:25:20.320 Bible. There is precedent in the Christian faith for such a concept. And the general reasoning for

01:25:27.520 why is that the primary thing that a wife is providing in marriage, one of the primary things 0.92

01:25:34.740 is childbearing and child rearing and also as we already stated earlier being a bulwark against

01:25:44.040 sexual temptation for her husband submitting to him as the church submits to christ those kinds

01:25:50.560 of things which are valuable important we're not diminishing or demeaning whatsoever but those

01:25:57.080 things can be instilled properly in a christian manner in a relatively young woman to where a

01:26:04.180 woman of 17 years of age can be fully equipped to do those things. Whereas the duties of a man 0.93

01:26:13.000 with provision and protection being kind of the overarching headlines, a 17-year-old man

01:26:19.440 in many different cultures and societies throughout Christendom was not necessarily

01:26:24.080 able to fulfill those duties. At 17 years old, he was not necessarily able economically to provide

01:26:31.240 for a wife and children on his own. So the man ended up being older before he was ready to enter

01:26:38.340 into marriage with his manly obligations, whereas the woman may be younger because she was

01:26:44.040 biologically and spiritually ready to produce her biblical obligations. And so all that being said,

01:26:52.040 the only reason I'm bringing it up is not to be a shock jaw. If I wanted to be a shock jaw,

01:26:55.740 I could do it, right? I think you could probably tell I'm being pretty careful in the way that I'm

01:26:59.680 answering this question, but I'm bringing it up because the question was asked. He specifically

01:27:04.060 asked about fathers of daughters looking ahead towards fathers of older boys. That's why I'm 0.83

01:27:12.320 answering it because of that adjective right there, older boys. And I think that's probably

01:27:16.900 what he's getting at. I think he's recognizing my daughters will likely be ready for marriage

01:27:21.560 at an age that is younger than the equivalent boy would be ready for marriage. And I think that

01:27:28.380 that's right now the tragedy with our current culture and society some of this is just degeneracy

01:27:35.660 some of it is also just technological innovation exasperating the fires of degeneracy but the

01:27:42.880 problem is that in prior societies and cultures throughout chrysidom in the west a man could

01:27:48.860 wait till he's 30 as he's getting his house in order his livelihood his skills his learning

01:27:55.720 these kinds of things to be a good protector and to be a good provider. And he would battle

01:28:00.760 over the course of that decade and a half from puberty, right, to being 28, 29, 30 years of age

01:28:09.000 for a decade and a half, he would have to battle against sexual temptation,

01:28:12.660 but he would not be fully assaulted by nude women on every street corner with a device in his

01:28:21.980 pocket i mean it's every billboard every commercial it's it's so it's difficult because

01:28:30.580 here's here's where we are for men this is why i have so much sympathy for young men here's we are

01:28:37.380 as as a society on the one hand economically we have exploited the younger generations stealing

01:28:45.220 from their future livelihoods and wealth in order to serve older generations and gdp must go up

01:28:52.620 so economically at the economic level what we've done for young men is we have stretched elongated

01:28:58.760 exasperated um made it to where they will not in terms of the actual purchasing power of their

01:29:05.340 dollar when they come of age they will not be able to afford provision for a family until later

01:29:12.740 years simultaneously on the other side of the equation we have made sexual temptation more 0.91

01:29:19.780 accessible for younger ages of males so your ability to marry and provide can't do that at 0.60

01:29:27.260 25 anymore we'll make it impossible now you're lucky if maybe by the time you're 30 or 35 you

01:29:33.780 might be able to afford a down payment on the house oh but meanwhile when you're 12 we'll make

01:29:40.100 sure that pornography is one click away so now we've taken what already was not ideal a decade

01:29:48.200 and a half and we said let's double it let's make it three decades of sexual temptation with no

01:29:55.120 biblically permissible outlet many men in the middle ages there wouldn't have been a single

01:30:01.240 outlet for that energy exactly no woman in town that would have slept with them because they were

01:30:05.640 all women under their father's roof there would have been no uh and they knew those women at that 0.88

01:30:10.840 time knew that sex meant children right right so they wouldn't know there was no pill so there's 0.57

01:30:15.760 no one you could sleep with there was no brothel allowed in town there was no nude images to be

01:30:19.760 proliferated so a man had a decent setup that if he was going to wait till 30 he basically had his

01:30:25.700 imagination he would have to wrestle with his thoughts take every thought captive before the

01:30:29.860 throne of christ uh just like just like anyone has to so there's still a battle but not nearly

01:30:36.020 that's a winnable battle that's a winnable battle in a in a small town where you're farming 80 hours

01:30:40.300 a week that's right you can do that versus today 12 years old 13 years old not even being able to

01:30:46.100 be married till 30 so that's the difficulty on the one hand if you're a father with with young

01:30:51.440 daughters and you're looking ahead which is good and wise and proper to find viable godly suitors

01:30:58.260 husbands for your daughters future husbands you're probably recognizing on the one hand

01:31:03.300 i don't know if i want my daughter i'm okay with her marrying at 18 years old but i don't know if

01:31:10.080 i want her to marry a man who's 18 years old because let's just be honest i know where that

01:31:16.480 marriage is going to start it's going to start in the guest bedroom of my house that's where

01:31:20.100 they're going to be living and i'm going to be providing for them so on the one hand you're like

01:31:23.960 I don't know if I want them to marry a young man. On the other hand, because we live in a

01:31:28.360 degenerate society and that degeneracy being more accessible than ever before because of the

01:31:34.000 technological innovative side of the equation, you're saying on the one hand, I need my daughter 0.97

01:31:40.060 to have an older suitor who can provide. But if she has an older suitor, it is like

01:31:44.980 virtually an impossibility that he won't come with physical provision, yes, but sexual baggage

01:31:55.000 also. This is the world we've made. This is the world we've made. It's terrible towards men.

01:32:03.000 It's terrible towards women. It's really, really sad. And so there's a lot packed into that 1.00

01:32:08.220 question. And I think that that merits a longer episode. Yeah. Okay. J-Dawg sent $20. Thanks,

01:32:14.240 J-Dawg. As a young father of two, I would love to hear y'all do a deep dive on the when and how

01:32:19.360 to go about providing an inheritance to our children. Would you consider doing an episode

01:32:23.320 on this topic? God bless your ministry. Absolutely. That's another good topic. Yeah,

01:32:27.560 we'll do it. Go ahead, Antonio. HHS9045 sent $10 and says, are you familiar with the Institute of

01:32:36.460 reform baptist studies texas area association of reform baptists or the confessional baptist

01:32:41.120 association cba r a r b c a how have they treated you i'm not familiar are you i've heard of cba

01:32:50.340 and arbca maybe a couple times i know arbca much about them arbca would be i'm pretty sure that's

01:32:54.980 the rent of hands right james dolezal some of those guys i don't want to speak out of turn

01:32:58.900 maybe maybe not i think so um what i've read from them i have read um a few books from them

01:33:04.720 um all that is in god uh dole is all yeah uh divine impassibility renahan um uh 1689 federalism

01:33:16.120 those kinds of things um in terms of uh baptist covenant theology there's as good as a baptist

01:33:21.980 can be on covenant theology um i'll just leave it there and then on theology proper

01:33:27.220 um they're as good as a catholic which is pretty good those all went to uh westminster

01:33:33.560 we're talking about credentials and seminary that's what helps make him so good yeah catholics

01:33:39.400 you got to give them credit where credit's due soteriology we need some serious work uh doctrine

01:33:46.380 of god theology proper okay right uh classic theism uh catholics have good theology proper

01:33:52.460 and uh the arpka wing of reformed baptists um are uh are good on theology proper so uh i i don't

01:34:01.920 have anything negative to say about some of those guys with the names that i would recognize i think

01:34:07.520 we would probably have some serious differences when it comes to engaging culture and politics

01:34:11.960 and those kinds of things but in terms of just systematic theology i think they're pretty sharp

01:34:18.400 okay kodak joe sent five dollars he said tell that mike guy this was the question we answered

01:34:23.560 at the very beginning of the super chats contact me about a pastor position mike if you email me

01:34:28.600 wesley at rightresponseministries.com i'll go ahead and facilitate an introduction and we'll

01:34:33.880 see what the lord works that's wesley at rightresponseministries.com send me an email

01:34:38.440 awesome okay this is king jerd uh king sent us two dollars and said make arranged marriages

01:34:45.800 great again so true so true king it's actually his name you know it's not even cringing when you

01:34:52.040 say if your name is king jerd and i respond by saying so true king uh then it's not cringe it's

01:34:58.040 It's just the proper response.

01:34:59.940 He had some funny chats earlier.

01:35:00.660 He's like, hang on, guys.

01:35:01.440 I got to go ask my wife if I can listen to this podcast.

01:35:04.180 You know what I always think about? 0.99

01:35:05.460 Anytime we're talking about male leadership, masculine roles, feminine roles, and boss babes who claim to be against feminism while embodying all the tenets of feminism, 0.51

01:35:15.840 I always think of that one clip.

01:35:17.440 It's Ryan from The Office.

01:35:19.880 He's the intern with Michael Scott.

01:35:21.600 Oh, yeah.

01:35:22.040 and uh there's this one clip where he's like looking at the camera you know how the office

01:35:25.820 would have certain scenes where they're they're you know they step aside and they're looking at

01:35:29.240 the camera and responding to you know implicitly to some question that uh the recording crew asked

01:35:34.000 and uh he's talking about like michael scott and his leadership style in the office and uh he says

01:35:40.460 um i need you to lead me like really lead me but don't boss me around you know lead me

01:35:47.760 when i want to be led and i feel like that just perfectly embodies complementarianism it perfectly

01:35:55.380 embodies the conservative women of today you know it's like men we need you to lead us and then the

01:36:02.280 fine print is dot dot dot when we want to be led and how we want to be led i'm good and ready for

01:36:07.900 with the tone that we want to be led like in other words um we actually don't want you to lead us

01:36:14.320 we want to lead you in leading us we want you to feel like you led us but it really was our idea

01:36:20.440 um that's kind of that they literally love the idea of it oh a strong man blazes the path

01:36:26.140 but their own pride chokes them up whenever it comes down to it well he's flawed he did this in

01:36:31.100 the past i just couldn't do it i love the idea i'll give lip service i want to be led but you

01:36:36.140 literally never practically actually let your husband make the decision you don't love it

01:36:40.520 yep you don't love it okay uh let's see jd peabody he gave us ten dollars and said kings god bless

01:36:48.320 you we appreciate that peabody and then last one to round it out this dude rocks he gave us five

01:36:53.220 more dollars we appreciate that he said good picks antonio we love uh chucky olives pray for tom

01:37:00.540 aspinall aspinall all right you you take it yeah he says uh pray for tom aspinall after getting done

01:37:07.000 dirty with the eye poke and that he will return with justice this happened i think this past

01:37:12.000 saturday uh one of one uh the champion the heavyweight champion was poked double poked in

01:37:17.080 the eye uh by the fighter the challenger yeah and they lose an eye no but it was pretty bad from

01:37:23.580 what i saw um uh but uh yeah anyway they scrapped the fight and then they're going to fight again

01:37:28.340 hopefully we'll see uh if he comes back with a vengeance good call yeah all right well thank

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