The NXR Podcast - THE LIVESTREAM - The Fourth Turning Is Here

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00:00:30.000 i'm going to read a brief synopsis by way of introduction for today's episode the fourth

00:00:38.400 turning is the final stage of a reoccurring historical cycle a theory by historians william

00:00:45.960 strauss and neil howe it comes every 80 to 100 years after periods of prosperity awakening and

00:00:54.980 decline. The fourth turning is marked by crisis, that is wars, revolutions, or upheavals that tear

00:01:02.840 down old institutions and rebuild society for a new order. Past examples would include the

00:01:10.780 American Revolution, the Civil War, and World War II. Many believe that we entered the current

00:01:18.580 forth turning with the 2008 financial crises. What you'll notice is there is an 80-year,

00:01:26.900 80 to 100-year pattern. We have the war for independence here in America. Then we have

00:01:33.120 after that the Civil War. Then we have after that World War II. With each of these, you have about

00:01:39.260 an 80-year gap, and it has been about 80 years since World War II, and we seem to be right on

00:01:45.940 schedule. We're experiencing upheaval. We're experiencing in the Middle East, there's been

00:01:51.000 wars forever. I'm aware America has sadly funded many of those wars for decades, forever wars,

00:01:57.400 but it's getting uniquely spicy. All right. So this is what we're going to be talking about.

00:02:02.280 We're going to be giving you guys some of the historical background and why things

00:02:05.680 are actually changing. We're going to be sharing graphs, statistics, showing how there's actually

00:02:11.600 a massive uptake in Europeans and Americans returning to Christianity. Basically, the West

00:02:19.500 is at its breaking point. That's what we're saying. The West is at its breaking point.

00:02:24.040 What cannot continue indefinitely will not continue, right? What cannot continue will not

00:02:31.000 continue. And so I think that it may only be a few more years before something significant happens

00:02:36.480 suddenly. That's the way that history usually plays out, right? You can just flip the page and

00:02:42.720 there's not really anything notable for decades, 80 years, a century, and then all of a sudden

00:02:48.900 a ton of things happen all at once. When it rains, it pours. We're also going to be giving some

00:02:55.480 practical advice, some takeaways of what the next few years will likely look like and how you should

00:03:03.040 live in light of that. I'll give one right here up front. Get out of cities. I've said it a ton

00:03:11.240 of times. I've gotten a ton of flack from Christians, from even pastors and ministers.

00:03:16.480 I wrote a book even a couple years ago just on this entire subject. I said,

00:03:22.040 fight by flight, right? Why leaving blue states, godless places, is loving godless places. Well,

00:03:29.540 that applies to states, getting out of California, whatever it may be, New York, but it also applies

00:03:35.140 to getting out of cities. You want to be somewhere that's private. You want to be somewhere that's

00:03:41.220 remote. I understand that it's difficult economically, but we're going to talk about

00:03:45.660 that and break that down as well. Our prediction is in the next two to five years, it could be all

00:03:52.920 the way up to 10, but I would bet two to five years, you're going to see something very significant

00:03:58.500 happen in the world as a whole and in these United States particularly. And we need to be ready

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00:04:44.120 all right uh quick orders of business right here from the outset um it has been a couple months

00:05:01.420 now and most of you guys have caught on by now but a few of you have asked and missed the news

00:05:07.120 when we first announced it and gave the reasoning behind it uh but michael belch who has been with

00:05:12.520 us for a while, about a year and a half. He has transitioned for new endeavors and projects that

00:05:19.520 he's working on. And so we've blessed him and encouraged him in his new work that he's pursuing.

00:05:25.980 And we have Antonio who has replaced him on the podcast. However, you may have noticed he's been

00:05:32.360 in and out. And so he was more frequent for the last couple of months replacing Michael Belch.

00:05:37.940 but for the next couple months due to his his work arrangement he's not full-time with us

00:05:45.380 we are trying to you know to make that a goal and working towards that for the new year but in the

00:05:51.380 meantime for q4 of 2025 he will be popping in and out as he has availability so he's still with us

00:05:59.660 Antonio Michael has transitioned and is working on new projects and Antonio will be a regular

00:06:06.100 contributor lord willing next year and for now he's going to be piping in from time to time okay

00:06:12.840 there's a saying in investing past performance is not indicative of future results basically

00:06:18.280 we're not guaranteeing you this company grew last year that it's going to grow this year

00:06:22.360 however i think we all know that you can look at the past and you can say this is a company that

00:06:26.660 grew two thousand percent i've got a good guess that it's going to continue to in the long run

00:06:31.980 grow up. So this idea of the fourth turning popularized in 1997, the authors Strauss and

00:06:37.300 how they actually predicted in many ways the 2008 financial crisis. So they predicted that there's

00:06:41.720 going to come a point, at least economically in this case, where the system broke and there was

00:06:46.040 a downturn. And that actually is what led to the popularity of this idea. It's entered the popular

00:06:50.300 psyche. But I want to go back and I'm going to kind of give a very quick overview of how the

00:06:55.200 cycle has played out at this time three to four times already in our American history. In 2026,

00:07:01.980 we will come up on 250 years, on July 4th, 250 years since we declared independence from England.

00:07:09.000 In 2028, we'll hit 250 years that we've been a constitutional republic. And so we've had a good

00:07:14.400 amount of time to look at the data. The data from the past doesn't always say this is what's going

00:07:18.340 to happen. But take a look at how kind of that 80 to 100 years, you have a rise, but then you have

00:07:24.180 all the baggage that comes with it. The individualism, the questioning of the institutions

00:07:27.800 that have been kind of viewed as infallible,

00:07:30.360 then a decline that inevitably comes from,

00:07:32.120 the decay of order,

00:07:33.320 and then a crisis that resets again,

00:07:35.940 a new good period that the decline happens.

00:07:39.140 So if we start at the first Revolutionary War,

00:07:41.320 we're actually going to before America declared its independence,

00:07:44.280 and this was the time in the early 1700s of colonial expansion.

00:07:48.100 You had the first Great Awakening,

00:07:49.460 you had these institutions built up,

00:07:50.920 a kind of return to religion,

00:07:52.920 but then what happened is America said,

00:07:54.720 this kind of sucks that we're not independent from Britain.

00:07:56.740 They're taxing us. They're stationing troops here. We want to be independent. You had a

00:08:01.200 questioning of the authorities, a decline of relations, and that sparked off 1776,

00:08:06.180 the Revolutionary War. Well, we won that war, and then we had the early republic. The Constitution

00:08:10.240 was established, and we had a lot of optimism. This was going into the early 1800s. You had

00:08:14.840 Jeffersonian democracy, and you had a lot of institutions established, but then over slavery

00:08:19.640 and states' rights, again, a decline came, and that terminated in, that came to the head of

00:08:24.920 the Civil War. 600,000 good American men, a vast majority of them Christian, dead over the issue.

00:08:31.820 It built up and it led to crisis. And then this happened again. You had Reconstruction and a lot

00:08:37.200 of strong growth through the late 1800s into the early 1900s, but then progressive movements. This

00:08:42.160 was the women's suffrage movement. This was temperance. This was some of the Second Great

00:08:46.220 Awakening. Those came in and decline occurred again. This ended in the Great Depression and

00:08:52.700 world war ii the u.s didn't feel world war ii as bad as europe obviously did but at this point now

00:08:57.860 you've had three cycles and world war ii what followed world war ii was again a time of growth

00:09:03.700 the baby boomers yeah they had a great i mean you could buy four four bedroom two bathroom

00:09:09.200 basically the cost of a blueberry a buck fifty for a buck fifty so they had a great time but then

00:09:14.780 those institutions uh through the 60s and the 70s the social upheaval that happened people began to

00:09:19.980 question them. You had civil rights. Well, we've got so much. Well, why don't we open up the world

00:09:23.600 to more immigration? And that led to the decline, the Heart Cellar Act, and that led to the decline

00:09:29.080 that we're in right now. And what we're making the argument is, is that all of this brings us

00:09:33.280 to, again, that we're at the point of crisis again. We've seen this pattern before, and we're

00:09:38.160 looking at it, and God puts patterns in nature. I think of the Fibonacci sequence. It's a strong

00:09:42.640 argument for God, from the internal of your body and your organs, ratios of hands to forearms,

00:09:48.380 in plants, in stars, this number and this ratio appears everywhere in nature. So it's not at all

00:09:54.240 unthinkable that in nature and in history, God as well works through patterns that every 80 to

00:09:59.420 100 years, there's kind of a buildup and people realize, especially a Christian people that are

00:10:04.600 Christian at their core, even if they apostatize for a time, Christian at their core that they

00:10:08.500 come back to. And that's, I think, the moment that we're in right now. I think so. I think

00:10:13.560 something big is happening already we've seen it even in these past uh couple weeks especially last

00:10:19.660 week but i also think something big is going to happen and uh it's a hard time i want to you know

00:10:25.220 maybe take a moment of silence for the nothing ever happens bros out there you know they had a

00:10:30.140 good run they had a good run they had a good run for quite a while but um the last few weeks is

00:10:36.020 probably uh probably been pretty hard for the nothing ever happens bros so maybe just a quick

00:10:41.320 moment of silence for them all right uh yeah they um it's a good time to short the nothing ever

00:10:48.500 happens bros uh because things are happening and uh you know charlie kirk and his assassination

00:10:53.220 is a really big deal we haven't had um an assassination of a political figure of that

00:10:58.960 stature um in what we it would probably be since jfk yeah and you have to remember a presidential

00:11:05.180 candidate was almost assassinated at that point twice in 2024 just last year something that again

00:11:11.640 hadn't happened reagan was shot obviously that's not normal yeah those things happen occasionally

00:11:17.080 but not often exactly it's been decades and now they're happening like in in in kind of like a

00:11:25.140 like a sequence quicker quicker kind of fashion yeah and that's what happened so charlie kirk died

00:11:29.980 and some of you probably saw some of the images from it but it sparked a number of protests

00:11:34.400 all over the world so australia this was not right when charlie kirk died but this was actually about

00:11:38.860 three to four weeks ago there was a very large rally against immigration this is one of the

00:11:43.840 biggest things in europe especially people are saying we didn't ask for this we didn't ask for

00:11:48.080 these people to be dropped off at our shores for our population to be replaced so in australia

00:11:52.080 in britain there was a huge rally tommy robinson led it it's called unite the kingdom it's tough

00:11:57.860 to say how many people really were there he's saying three million major the press is saying

00:12:02.120 about a hundred thousand one's probably inflating one's probably deflating but from from the images

00:12:07.280 from everything there probably close to a million people they were flying the the british flag and

00:12:12.780 and this is awesome it's in the thumbnail and the cross so they were standing atop statues waving

00:12:17.740 the cross for christianity for britain's christian heritage right but also their flag so it wasn't

00:12:23.760 just we need to get back to christianity and and christianity means letting in millions more

00:12:28.800 immigrants they're saying we have national sovereignty on this side and it's actually

00:12:32.080 not in contradiction to the christian religion that's right which is our heritage that's right

00:12:36.280 i want to get into some a stat right here too can you show this on the screen this is the rise of

00:12:40.920 political parties or kind of the changes in political parties in germany now germany uh

00:12:46.160 their right wing would would be probably still considered even far left by our standards their

00:12:50.640 right wing would be like our libertarians their right wing in other words very gay the president

00:12:55.640 because they have five political parties there the president of their most right wing is a lesbian

00:12:59.960 woman so this is the afd the alternative for deutschland but take a look since 2021 they've

00:13:04.960 doubled in growth while all the other parties have gone down so the farthest right party which

00:13:09.200 is not even that far right but the one that might actually say immigration i'm not so sure

00:13:14.620 that one's growing a ton so whether it's in britain whether it's in australia whether it's

00:13:19.560 in germany whether it's most certainly here in the u.s i mean donald trump campaigned on and won

00:13:25.220 and now he needs to follow through on mass deportations right that was the biggest issue

00:13:31.160 like the economy sure that was in there the biggest issue was there are millions and millions

00:13:35.900 of people that are here and millions of people hundreds of millions came out and said and we

00:13:40.780 want them to go back and so all over the world especially last couple years i mean this is just

00:13:45.420 i mean that charts in three years that's since covid so if you remember lockdowns then you

00:13:50.760 remember when there's millions and millions of people who still didn't think this way right

00:13:55.060 yep that's encouraging things are happening you've got some more graphs let's show them i do have

00:14:00.460 some more uh let's get into christianity okay this is the big one and i think probably the

00:14:04.480 most exciting one christianity especially in the united states since heart cellar you know fair

00:14:09.760 enough surprising enough christianity has been on the decline and it's been on the decline it

00:14:14.500 continued through the early 2000s if you take a look at this chart from pew research you'll see

00:14:19.360 that it went from about 78 percent of the united states the percent of u.s adults identifying as

00:14:24.160 christian 78 down to a low of 62 there's a little bit kind of a blip there was 2019 to 2020 uh there

00:14:32.720 was a little bit of change in their methodology but that was also covet but right there about

00:14:36.780 2021 to 2022 that was the moment the decline stopped and now christianity among all of the

00:14:43.460 u.s and this is also taking into account a lot of immigration now some of that immigration would be

00:14:48.300 from south america which generally identify as catholic right so some of that may be to wash

00:14:52.960 call it a 50-50.

00:14:54.380 But a lot of immigration is, to be honest,

00:14:55.820 from the third world and from the Middle East.

00:14:58.060 The Middle East is not sending

00:14:59.240 hundreds of thousands of Christians to our shores.

00:15:02.040 India is not sending that.

00:15:04.000 So yeah, look around your neighborhood.

00:15:05.840 It's Pakistanis, it's Muslims and Hindus.

00:15:09.400 Look around your neighborhood

00:15:10.180 and then look around your church.

00:15:11.620 And you're like,

00:15:12.020 I don't think these two quite match up.

00:15:14.740 So in the face of a lot of immigration

00:15:17.500 over these last couple of years here in the US,

00:15:20.260 the decline of Christianity,

00:15:21.760 at least the most substantially in 20 years has stopped and it's actually reversed this was a

00:15:28.900 pretty eye-opening chart this was estimated adult conversions to catholicism this in many ways it's

00:15:35.180 an indictment for protestants yes catholics are on they're growing we just have to be honest

00:15:39.660 you don't have to like it but you got to be honest and say yeah this is what's happening

00:15:43.720 real quick um it says conversions so it's it's not counting just importing catholics by importing

00:15:50.840 exactly people from south america yep so it's not counting that so this is actual cradle catholic

00:15:57.080 count okay lots of births so again you'll see from 2000 a pretty strong decline decline in early 2000

00:16:03.980 and then especially 2006 through to 2012 and then a pretty decent decline 2014 all the way again

00:16:11.220 this year that keeps coming up 2021 2022 peak of wokeness peak of black lives matter that's where

00:16:18.560 peak of covid that's where people said enough that's where people woke up the climb is astronomical

00:16:24.200 it's gone went from about estimated 50 000 probably conversions adult conversions to

00:16:29.840 catholicism yearly 50 000 it erased nearly two decades worth of losses so for two decades a

00:16:36.720 steady decline and then boom erasing nearly all of them in the space of just into 2025

00:16:42.740 erasing nearly all of it in the space of three years yeah i talked to friends that are catholic

00:16:47.620 it's standing room only. You need to be there 20 minutes before mass to get a space. And I say this

00:16:53.540 as a Protestant, I'm just recognizing the reality. You're there 20 minutes before to get a space.

00:16:57.980 It's standing room only. The parishes themselves are like, we're too full. We literally don't have

00:17:02.420 room for all these people. We don't have priests to manage all of them. It's the U.S. and France

00:17:06.100 especially where Catholicism is growing. England is experiencing a revival as far as Christianity.

00:17:11.320 I don't want to play a video, and it's a little bit. They're charismatic, and it's definitely

00:17:15.140 kind of used to tug on the emotions. But take a look at what's being proclaimed in the public

00:17:19.720 square, and we can touch on Philippians and how Paul kind of talks about this after we show it.

00:17:23.860 When you seek revival, you will get performance. But when you seek Jesus, you will get revival.

00:17:31.900 That's why we have this cross up right here. The blood of Jesus has lost none of its power.

00:17:38.140 We want to speak Jesus. We want to preach the cross. We want to preach his blood. We want to

00:17:44.560 preach his death his burial his resurrection repent of your sin come to the foot of the cross

00:17:52.180 jesus has got the victory over satan darkness and sin and we believe jesus will be lifted high

00:18:00.640 in this land once again say amen say amen say amen

00:18:07.760 If you weren't watching the video, so you're listening to this,

00:18:13.800 what's kind of paired with it is the iconic imagery of London.

00:18:16.680 So you have Big Ben back there.

00:18:18.160 I think I saw some British flags flying.

00:18:20.380 So they're married together.

00:18:21.500 So it's a revival.

00:18:22.640 We're emphasizing Christianity.

00:18:24.580 But people are getting,

00:18:25.760 Christianity doesn't actually abolish the natural order.

00:18:29.300 That turning to Christianity for America, for Britain, or for Germany,

00:18:33.340 this doesn't actually destroy the distinctives of being British and being German.

00:18:37.760 I can be Christian and I can say no more immigration for the next 50 years.

00:18:42.220 I can be Christian.

00:18:43.000 I can say no to abortion.

00:18:44.400 And in fact, Christianity is actually the basis whereby I'm able to do that.

00:18:48.500 I think there is a global revival going on.

00:18:51.420 Now, unfortunately, Gospel Coalition, you know, hardest hit.

00:18:54.660 It's, to be honest, it's in the West.

00:18:56.460 It is majority white individuals that are waking up.

00:18:59.300 White young men would be the quintessential description of who is most coming back.

00:19:03.940 When you say unfortunately, you mean for the Gospel Coalition.

00:19:06.520 Exactly.

00:19:06.900 we're pretty excited about that right because for so long they banked on i'm excited about that

00:19:11.160 inner city missions they're like well the revival's here but yeah it was all about i remember

00:19:15.980 i remember being a part of acts 29 i remember you know being a young church planter it was all about

00:19:21.300 urban church planting urban missions you know and like and it was you know all the speakers at the

00:19:26.520 conference were guys who were black you know and saying this is where the harvest is it's and it's

00:19:31.760 like these were all people who voted for democrats they all supported abortion they all supported

00:19:37.900 same-sex marriage um and they were coming to these churches because they didn't talk about it

00:19:44.440 did you see the the recent um there was a post i think it was a tweet that went semi-viral

00:19:49.580 and it was from some woman who i think is a politician or something like that

00:19:54.620 already not a good start but some woman who's a politician who was for i think uh for several

00:20:00.920 years maybe even up to a decade a member of tim keller's church in new york in manhattan and um

00:20:07.740 and she said uh she was getting angry at people you know um who were more conservative and uh and

00:20:15.200 she said well you know tim keller my pastor um she said uh i never knew she was like upset because

00:20:21.440 it was after his death and things started coming out you know people are saying keller you know

00:20:25.680 kind of sucked and you know and he kind of paved the way for a lot of this compromise which is

00:20:30.600 absolutely true and you know but then some people were trying to redeem him and say you know he was

00:20:36.120 great you know and he was a stalwart for you know conservative traditional biblical principles

00:20:40.740 pro-life and you know traditional marriage and so she was railing against that in her tweet by saying

00:20:47.160 um you know like basically defending tim keller being a liberal it was really funny because she's

00:20:53.600 a liberal and she's like well i went to his church for you know for almost 10 years and i never and

00:20:59.300 here's the point she said and i never heard him ever talk against abortion or same-sex marriage

00:21:05.480 and i'm sitting here as somebody who is not a timothy keller appreciator saying correct

00:21:12.820 correct uh so it's like you do these these urban missions you know and these you know churches in

00:21:18.980 the city for the city right you can't ever be in the nation for the nation because that's racist

00:21:23.020 you know but in the city and for the city and why is that not racist well because you know in the

00:21:27.360 cities tend to be more diverse right so you can be in the city for the city but you can't be in

00:21:32.160 the nation for the nation so it's all this urban city you know in the city for the city you know

00:21:37.220 and if you go rural you need to bring the diversity with you and you need to have a diverse church of

00:21:41.020 course so bring the city with you yeah so exactly so they're doing these urban you know church

00:21:45.800 plants and it's all about diversity as our greatest strength and they're saying look at you know look

00:21:51.100 at uh the harvest you know it's ripe and and look at you know the fruit that we're experiencing

00:21:56.300 these people are coming to church and you know my response is yeah what people and I think we know

00:22:03.020 what people I think you know the verdict has come back in we've had enough time to be able to perform

00:22:08.680 the autopsy and see what what really killed the gospel centered centered gospel you know in the

00:22:14.060 city for the city movement because it is killed absolutely and I think what killed it was that

00:22:19.920 there wasn't actually conversion there's a bunch of people who ended up you know attending these

00:22:25.120 services and joining these churches but they're just like that you know boss babe female politician

00:22:30.860 who for 10 years now that timothy keller's dead and conservatives are trying to hold him up as a 1.00

00:22:36.760 stalwart for traditional values she's actually arguing for her dead pastor saying don't you

00:22:43.160 dare slander him he was a lib i was there he was a lib he never spoke out against abortion and never

00:22:50.820 spoke out against homosexuality he was wonderful and i just want to say i agree with the boss babe

00:22:56.780 i think she's actually right i think that's how those churches grew they grew by winsomeness

00:23:02.520 they grew by cowardice they grew by intentionally not just by um by a mishap or or negligence but

00:23:11.420 by design avoiding every single biblical virtue as it applied to politics and culture and so

00:23:19.700 that's what we're you know that's what we're coming off of is i would say you know anywhere

00:23:23.720 from 15 to 20 years of of that kind of in the city for the city gospel-centered centered gospel

00:23:31.080 that never talks about the law of god and certainly if it does it may apply it to personal

00:23:36.460 sin you have sin and you need to repent you need but never would apply the law of god to society

00:23:42.040 never to politics never to the culture and um and that's pretty much done so all that back to young

00:23:48.380 white men um young white men i think there's a real harvest not just that that we would be able

00:23:55.340 to deceive them and and bolster our church attendance numbers for a decade or maybe a

00:24:01.780 decade and a half where uh we're just coddling them and they join us without ever being converted

00:24:07.840 you're bringing them in a super bowl sunday event right yeah i mean all these things that people did

00:24:12.180 like church at the movies right so some of you that that's foreign you've never heard of it god

00:24:16.900 bless you you know but some of you know what i'm talking about that was a real thing churches all

00:24:21.200 over america doing a four week or six week or eight week series where they call it church at

00:24:26.500 the movies they would have popcorn machines um you know cotton candy and refreshments in the

00:24:32.220 sanctuary and they would play clips from a major hollywood movie and then in between the clips the

00:24:39.900 pastor would come forward and have a scripted you know five minute intermission between each clip

00:24:44.680 where he would give some commentary

00:24:46.580 and how this Jewish perverse movie

00:24:51.180 is really a picture of the gospel, blah, blah, blah.

00:24:53.920 And that's what the Gospel Coalition did.

00:24:56.100 I mean, the Gospel Coalition recently,

00:24:58.460 I think even in the last year,

00:24:59.880 wrote an article about Taylor Swift

00:25:02.900 being a picture of the gospel.

00:25:04.300 Oh, yeah.

00:25:05.080 So that's what we're coming off of,

00:25:07.940 whereas young white men are actually disenfranchised.

00:25:12.100 Right?

00:25:12.240 BLM was a lie.

00:25:14.100 It was always a lie. But there actually is a sector of our population that really has been disenfranchised, that has been blamed for every problem that they had no part in.

00:25:27.060 They weren't even born when these problems came about. And that is frighteningly conservative, which I appreciate.

00:25:35.180 But for most people, I mean, you find a young white man under the age of 25 and he is alarmingly far right.

00:25:43.220 They are not respecters of our greatest ally.

00:25:47.600 They do not like abortion.

00:25:49.400 They do not like feminism.

00:25:50.900 They do not like Zionism.

00:25:52.760 They do not like gay race communism.

00:25:55.960 They do not like immigration.

00:25:57.380 They do not like globalism.

00:25:58.680 They do not like any of these things.

00:26:00.920 And they are standing against it.

00:26:02.900 And a lot of them are waking up and saying, I need a basis.

00:26:07.260 I need a foundation, right?

00:26:08.940 I know what I'm against, and I know what I'm fighting for, but I need a reason for why.

00:26:15.260 I need the religious piece.

00:26:18.780 For instance, I'll share this.

00:26:21.320 I don't think it needs to be private.

00:26:23.060 There's nothing that needs to be hidden.

00:26:26.940 But I just had a phone call yesterday with Jake Shields.

00:26:30.260 and um and he's he's not really religious but he's agnostic um he's not an atheist and so he's

00:26:38.300 like i believe in god i know there has to be a god and part of the reason people are coming to

00:26:43.140 god right now is uh they believe there must be a god because uh they dang sure believe that there's

00:26:49.040 a devil i've seen too much wickedness in the world um to to disbelieve in in a devil and if

00:26:56.640 the devil is real then god must be real too and so guys like jake shields um that's kind of where

00:27:02.780 they're at and so they're they're open um and believe that there's a god and they're fighting

00:27:07.980 against a lot of the things that the bible actually stands against um but they don't have a religious

00:27:13.740 background they didn't grow up in church or they did and they left it or they did and they left it

00:27:18.660 because the church was against them right um and so a lot of these guys are you know reaching out

00:27:24.840 And I'm having conversations with them and probably in the works of doing something with

00:27:29.320 Jake Shields and providing some of the religious, distinctly Christian reasons behind some of the

00:27:35.440 things that he's fighting for. And so I think that there really is an opportunity for revival and

00:27:40.360 not just something that could happen, but something that is happening. You're absolutely right.

00:27:44.440 There's a massive upswing for Catholicism and also Eastern Orthodoxy is just smaller to begin with,

00:27:51.740 you know, than Catholicism. But the orthobros are growing. The Catholics are certainly growing,

00:27:58.220 and not just importing, but with conversion. And then Christianity as a whole, for the first time

00:28:03.300 in decades, as we saw in that graph earlier, is beginning to reverse the trend of decline. And

00:28:10.400 that is absolutely significant. I will say, though, and you mentioned it in passing,

00:28:16.440 But it is an indictment on the Protestant church.

00:28:20.140 A lot of people are turning to Christianity, but they are choosing Catholicism over Protestantism.

00:28:28.020 And there's a reason for that.

00:28:30.240 And the reason is that Protestants are gay.

00:28:33.820 And that Protestants have, you know, Protestants are, they worship women, they worship blacks, and they worship Jews.

00:28:45.620 they do protestants are insufferably zionist they are um and and here's the deal like people have

00:28:54.060 been giving me grief you know within my tribe the reformed protestant tribe and saying like

00:28:59.240 well i i don't i don't like that you've said some positive things about catholics recently

00:29:04.240 it's like i'm not catholic and uh and i don't plan on being catholic um i am a protestant and

00:29:11.760 i am reformed even though sometimes um i'm a little bit embarrassed but the reformed the

00:29:17.200 reformed camp that's rough right now the reformed tradition that's my home and it always will be

00:29:22.480 um i believe that uh that historic protestant reformed doctrine is the most biblically faithful

00:29:31.060 and accurate framework for presenting the unadulterated gospel of jesus christ that's my

00:29:36.960 belief. And so I'm reformed. That said, reformed guys have been giving me grief about Catholics

00:29:44.140 and saying, well, Joel, you know, they're heretics and this, that, and the other. And this is what I

00:29:48.840 would say. And I think it's important to break this down. When it comes to Catholicism, I have

00:29:56.000 met many Catholics that you ask them point blank, right? You kind of push them into a corner. You're

00:30:02.980 interrogating a little bit. You're prodding. You're asking. And you say, why will you go to heaven?

00:30:09.780 Why are you saved? What is the source of your confidence? What's the source of your assurance?

00:30:15.820 And they say, Jesus, the Son of God, born of the Virgin Mary, lived a sinless life. He died a

00:30:22.720 substitutionary death. He died in my place, the Lamb of God that takes away the sins of the world.

00:30:28.660 and God raised him from the dead bodily on the third day

00:30:33.880 and he ascended to the right hand of the Father

00:30:36.300 and will one day return again.

00:30:39.740 They believe that.

00:30:41.080 Now, do they, in addition to that,

00:30:43.680 do some Catholics agree with other things, right?

00:30:47.620 Agree with Vatican II, agree with certain aspects of Trent,

00:30:51.100 agree with, are there other heresies?

00:30:54.180 And I do believe that heresy is the proper,

00:30:56.120 I believe that the Catholic Church is in grave error. I do not believe that all Catholics

00:31:02.440 are in error. Let me say that again. I believe the Catholic Church and its doctrine on the books

00:31:09.940 is in grave error and that the Catholic Church must repent. And just for the record, we've said

00:31:16.080 this before, I'll say it again, that is our heart for Rome. Our heart for Rome is not that it would

00:31:22.120 be utterly removed but rather that it would be restored that the reformation actually would

00:31:28.300 eventually be successful and that what luther himself wanted right the reforming of rome

00:31:35.060 didn't want to start his own thing he had to because they sent him away for fear of his life

00:31:40.000 they said no our prayers at one day that that rome would come back and say yes and that they

00:31:46.160 would repent of their errors in the meantime that's speaking of catholicism on the books

00:31:51.460 that's speaking of Catholicism as an institution, that's speaking of some of the leaders of

00:31:56.760 Catholicism, speaking of the Pope, cardinals, bishops, that is not your run-of-the-mill

00:32:04.500 average American Catholic. Your average American Catholic who just sits in the pews is in many

00:32:13.020 ways, without even realizing it, Protestantized. Catholicism, one of the things that it does when

00:32:19.900 it comes into a nation is it syncretizes. So look at Haiti, for example. Haiti is on the same

00:32:27.020 island, the same landmass, but it's very distinct from the DR, the Dominican Republic. The Dominican

00:32:33.320 Republic was ultimately catechized and colonized by Protestants, by the Reformation, and it has

00:32:41.920 its problems, but not nearly like Haiti does. Haiti was colonized by Catholics, and one of the

00:32:48.740 things that Catholicism tends to do is syncretize with whatever was previously there. And so what

00:32:56.080 you find in Haiti is this weird mixture of Catholicism with what used to be their national

00:33:01.800 religion before Catholicism showed up, namely voodoo. So you find a highly superstitious,

00:33:07.800 weird kind of witchy voodoo-ish slash catholicism and it's not great not great big problems there

00:33:19.400 that said on the bright side as it pertains to our country these united states of america

00:33:24.340 you know wasps are were a thing and are still barely a thing america was distinctly the catholics

00:33:32.800 will admit this. Everybody knows this. It's undeniable. America was distinctly Protestant.

00:33:37.320 It was Anglo-Protestant. Yes, there were Germans, and then eventually Irish, and then eventually

00:33:41.980 Italians. But in its origin, America was a British and Anglo and distinctly Protestant

00:33:49.880 nation. And so what Catholicism has done as it's grown in America is, I think, in many ways,

00:33:57.680 it is syncretized with protestantism and so your average catholic i'm not speaking necessarily

00:34:03.660 about the bishop but your average catholic who simply attends mass is more protestant than we

00:34:11.780 probably give them credit for and probably holds not just of course they would agree with

00:34:17.540 conservative protestants on culture and many political things right like the sanctity of life

00:34:23.460 and traditional marriage, but even doctrinally, although I admit it's surprising, even doctrinally,

00:34:30.500 the average Catholic attendee in America is far more Protestant than I think a lot of Protestants

00:34:37.280 realize. So all that being said, if we looked at Catholicism in America as a whole,

00:34:42.300 American, I'm sorry, Catholics, Catholicism in America, so Catholics, if we look at the average

00:34:48.240 Catholic in America. I do believe that despite some of the errors on the books institutionalized

00:34:55.260 with Catholicism, that individual Catholics, I believe that there are a great many Catholics

00:35:01.380 in the Catholic Church in America that are actually regenerate. Now, I believe it's despite

00:35:07.060 Catholicism. I believe it's because of Catholicism in the sense that Catholicism and Protestantism

00:35:15.480 holds a lot in common. And so insofar as things are true, then it's to the benefit of that truth.

00:35:22.260 Insofar as things may be in error, and there are errors, and I think not because of those errors,

00:35:27.640 but despite those errors, by the grace of God, and because Catholicism in America has syncretized

00:35:32.880 with Protestantism and has done so for quite a while, your average Catholic in the pews

00:35:38.400 has a lot more in common than you would think. And I believe not all, but a great many of them

00:35:43.940 are regenerate now real quick to finish the thought let's talk about protestants you have

00:35:49.100 to realize this guys mainline let's start with the mainline mainline protestantism united methodist

00:35:55.920 gay catholics are united methodist pc usa uh general baptist there's there's all all these

00:36:05.260 Episcopalian, Lutheran, some Anglican.

00:36:10.180 So every mainline Protestant denomination in America is gay.

00:36:16.940 The historic ones, pretty much.

00:36:18.680 Those that were not splinters that left during the progressivism of the 1900s.

00:36:22.480 That's right.

00:36:22.800 All of those are fully gay.

00:36:23.960 They're gay.

00:36:24.540 They're gay affirming.

00:36:25.520 They have female pastors.

00:36:27.720 Many of them deny substitutionary atonement.

00:36:30.860 They deny the wrath of God.

00:36:31.920 they're literally changing worship songs where it says the wrath of God was satisfied they'll say

00:36:37.900 the love of God was magnified right because they don't want to talk about God being wrathful or

00:36:44.060 pouring out his wrath for sin on Jesus as a substitute so they they would they would hold to

00:36:50.280 the moral influence model of the atonement so why did Jesus die as the lamb of God to take away the

00:36:56.620 sins of the world he died in my place for my sin and the father poured out his wrath on the son

00:37:01.240 because of his holiness and therefore justice and hatred of my sin and jesus paid the price no

00:37:06.700 he died for my sin because um he was setting a moral example of sacrificial love for the world

00:37:14.200 an example um that i'm you know meant to emulate and and it was just a picture of sacrificial love

00:37:21.140 that's the purpose of the cross rather than substitutionary atonement that is the view

00:37:25.980 of of many mainline protestant denominations so that's the main lines which represents i would

00:37:32.540 argue that probably represents anywhere from 20 to 30 percent of protestants in america here's

00:37:37.800 another one that i think represents probably 50 or 60 or even close to 70 percent of protestants

00:37:43.460 in america the um the the factory default setting um fog machine laser light mega churches church

00:37:56.780 at the movies like you just mentioned right we don't want to admit it but when you look at

00:38:00.360 protestants as a whole all right so we we pick on the catholics that's fine um we say well okay

00:38:06.880 joel i admit that catholicism is an error but catholics individual catholics that yes

00:38:12.820 some of them are regenerate and i would ask how many and i would be willing to bet that it's it's

00:38:18.400 not just 10 percent right but that there's actually um a sizable portion of regenerate

00:38:25.320 catholics again despite catholicism in the in the points where it airs um here in the united

00:38:31.560 states okay but let's talk about protestants 30 20 30 mainline are heretical you say with catholic

00:38:39.000 church is heretical. 20% to 30% of the mainline Protestant denominations are heretical. Now when

00:38:45.640 we talk about the megachurches, your non-denominational, that's Protestants, that makes

00:38:50.520 up a massive amount. That's your John Hagee's, that's your Kenneth Copeland's, that's your Joel

00:38:54.580 Osteen's, that's your Joyce Meyer's. They teach the prosperity gospel. They are also heretical.

00:39:00.880 They are heretical. And many of the people in those churches, some may be regenerate,

00:39:06.220 just like Catholicism, but many are not, right?

00:39:09.540 And so you have your mainline denominations, 20%, 30%.

00:39:13.780 Then you have another 50%, 60% of your megachurch,

00:39:16.940 non-denominational, Joel Osteen, T.D. Jakes-type churches

00:39:20.580 that preach damnable heresies.

00:39:23.340 And then when you get done with all of that,

00:39:26.660 you have some, not many,

00:39:28.600 but some more historic, reformed Protestant churches.

00:39:33.320 i'm thinking of you know the pca i'm thinking of the opc um i'm thinking of some reformed baptist

00:39:40.620 i'm thinking of some anglicans um and and then you have some that are middle of the road normie

00:39:46.200 uh they're not really robust but they're also not heretical i'm thinking of about in that case

00:39:52.420 probably um a more sizable portion of for instance the sbc that would be a lot of baptist churches

00:39:59.120 That would be maybe your 60% to 80% of the SBC, which is large.

00:40:03.420 But if you broke it down by individual churches,

00:40:08.220 what percentage of Protestant churches,

00:40:11.660 from the non-denominational megachurches to the mainline denominations,

00:40:16.160 how many, what percentage of Protestant churches in America today are heretical?

00:40:22.020 They are regularly preaching heresy from the pulpit.

00:40:25.120 um i would say probably about 70 80 all the way up to 85 percent are heretical and then if we looked

00:40:34.880 at not catholic churches now so i i understand it's not it's not apples to apples it's that

00:40:39.920 apples to oranges but catholic individuals in america how many of them um actually you know

00:40:47.840 they're like yes i am catholic and it's the council of trent that won me over and i hold to it

00:40:53.780 fiercely? Not a lot. Most Catholics are like, I want Jesus. I want to worship Jesus. I want to

00:41:03.700 return to something because we're destroyed by progressivism and modernity and relativism,

00:41:10.440 subjectivity. I want to return to something that's old, traditional, tried, true, objective.

00:41:17.540 and and so i i visited my catholic parish and i'm going to the catholic church um do you uh worship

00:41:27.680 mary and believe that she's sinless not really i don't think so but they also they talk about

00:41:34.040 jesus and uh and i believe that jesus is the savior of the world and so if you looked at it

00:41:39.760 like that that's what i'm trying to get get to is if you looked at it as in terms of just sheer

00:41:45.480 numbers of people, there very well may be as many regenerate Catholics, individual Catholics in

00:41:53.660 America, as there are Protestants. Like it's in terms of percentage of all Protestants and

00:42:00.400 percentage of all Catholics, the percentages actually may be far more comparable than we're

00:42:07.020 willing to admit. And that doesn't mean that we don't still maintain our serious theological

00:42:12.340 distinctions with Rome. But what it does mean is that I believe culturally and politically that

00:42:18.160 Catholics can be co-belligerents as we fight cultural and political issues. And it also means

00:42:24.780 that when it comes to Protestants, back to that graph, there is a reversal from the decline of

00:42:33.060 Christianity. There's a reversal right now, and a lot of it is going to Catholicism. And when you

00:42:38.640 try to account for the answer why i i really don't believe that it's just you know so many people

00:42:46.000 um they just have been genuinely persuaded of the intellectual propositions of mary being a

00:42:54.040 co-redemptrix with her son jesus and the immaculate conception not speaking of christ but

00:42:59.480 her and her birth and and her being sinless and these guys on the fence until the mary and dogma

00:43:05.140 the last two especially and then when i when i heard that man that just really won me over and

00:43:09.640 so i you know i returned to mary moment right i i don't think that's it i think it's people are

00:43:14.900 having a come to jesus moment and they're looking for a church in town and they don't want to go to

00:43:20.840 the fake and gay one that tends to be protestant so they're like i want to return to tradition

00:43:26.520 that's why i'm returning to church because it's traditional it's old it's historic and i'm so i'm

00:43:33.580 going to return to that. And no, I'm not going to go to your Protestant church where the pastor is

00:43:38.260 Sister Sally. And so I think that that is a major part for us. We have new people who are coming to

00:43:46.920 our church all the time because even though we're not Catholic, it still feels old. It feels tried.

00:43:53.460 It feels true. We're not singing Jesus as my boyfriend love songs. We're acapella in our

00:43:59.020 worship through song. We are singing exclusively psalms and hymns put to meter. We have a liturgical

00:44:07.080 service. There is the Apostles' Creed recited. There's confession, corporate confession of sin

00:44:13.240 and assurance of pardon, expository preaching through books of the Bible, and people are

00:44:18.920 returning to that, and they want that. People are hungry, and especially young men, and especially

00:44:25.080 young white men having been have had their lives destroyed by modernity they want to return to

00:44:31.320 tradition and they're returning to the church and the modern feminist zionist churches are not going

00:44:40.480 to attract them but those that feel tried and true and traditional will and and the reality is that

00:44:48.820 the catholic church feels that way now there are i understand there are some individual parishes

00:44:55.220 with a bishop or a priest who actually is fairly liberal but the feel of catholicism because it's

00:45:01.780 streamlined right it's not like protestantism you don't get to do just whatever you want

00:45:06.080 because it's streamlined and they actually have a system a hierarchy in place even those liberal

00:45:11.520 parishes with a liberal priest even those the liturgy the order of service the building you

00:45:18.500 know from all the way down um it feels traditional it doesn't feel modern and that is attracting

00:45:25.340 people and for protestants i think churches like ours that are more traditional and conservative

00:45:31.280 are also attracting people but overall we just have to admit and call a spade a spade churches

00:45:37.340 like ours maybe maybe represent 10 percent of protestantism that's incredibly generous too

00:45:44.340 that's very generous. And so why is there this bolster with Catholicism in a way that there's

00:45:51.000 not as much with Protestantism? Because if you go to your local parish in town, Catholic church,

00:45:58.980 even if the priest has personally some liberal inclinations, what you will find is a traditional

00:46:08.460 liturgy um a traditional order of service you'll find something old if you go to if you just find

00:46:15.980 a man in the pulpit right a man a man giving the homily that's right a man giving the homily

00:46:21.100 if you go to if you're just picking at random and just laws of average a protestant church in town

00:46:27.580 um there's a good chance you're going to find sister sally and uh and you're going to see

00:46:33.100 a rock concert with a fog machine and laser lights and an 18-minute TED talk

00:46:40.040 about your feelings probably an Israel flag it's the United States Israel flanking the stage no

00:46:46.560 that's right and you're going to hear about Israel and how you know you young white man

00:46:51.440 you were born to die for Israel buckle up we're you know we're going to do everything we can to

00:46:57.760 start this next war and we're sending your boots on the ground that's where we're at right now

00:47:02.520 and uh and so yeah i i'm hopeful i am hopeful in many ways and we're going to talk about that

00:47:09.640 um here in just a moment in our next segment um but i i wanted to take some time and break down

00:47:15.520 you know this return in christianity which is really good and account for why a large portion

00:47:21.680 of that that we need to admit as as protestants um in this overall return to christianity a large

00:47:28.000 portion of that is a return to Catholicism over and against Protestantism. And I think it's precisely

00:47:33.960 for the reasons I've just mentioned. I'll close with this, then we'll get into some of the other

00:47:37.520 stuff. But you would think, what prophet, what pastor, what priest, who would ever be mad that

00:47:42.880 a revival is going on? That's all throughout the Bible. Jonah? Jonah is furious when Nineveh

00:47:48.680 repents. You've said this before when you preach through the book. He preaches half a sermon. He

00:47:52.600 doesn't even include the part that they can repent. Goes outside of the city, gets himself some shade,

00:47:57.260 and is like, please let them not take God up on the offer.

00:48:01.120 Jonah's furious when Jesus comes and does his ministry.

00:48:04.280 The Sadducees, the Pharisees, they're furious.

00:48:07.560 The tax collectors, the sinners, the downtrodden,

00:48:10.760 they're furious that they're coming to Christ.

00:48:12.780 Same thing when the Holy Spirit is poured out

00:48:14.780 and you have the Gentiles being grafted into the church.

00:48:17.260 There's, again, apostles and Jews,

00:48:19.220 they're furious that they're coming in.

00:48:20.940 Again and again, God will start a revival

00:48:23.300 and it'll be, oh, but we really, really wanted it

00:48:26.520 to be these people or these people are coming but to be honest they're kind of icky and these young

00:48:32.120 white men they're a little rough around the edges their language isn't perfect and so you have this

00:48:36.300 theme again and again that god starts a revival but the people are coming are not those who the

00:48:41.680 religious elite want to see right you have matt chandler like i would literally hire a less

00:48:46.320 qualified black man please just bring these people in these people in yep this is not the white men

00:48:51.320 rest assured congregation um i will ensure that your shepherding the shepherding of your souls

00:48:58.000 is not as good as it could be in order to meet a diversity higher quota right i mean that's

00:49:04.760 literally what what he said um so no that's a great point that you raised um in the case of

00:49:09.980 jonah um it's the assyrians right that's nineveh was one of the capital cities five capital cities

00:49:16.160 in Assyria, and the Israelites hated the Assyrians, right? And so this idea that God would send

00:49:22.440 revival and produce repentance in their hearts was scandalous, right? In the case of Christ,

00:49:29.200 you know, it's adulterers, right? It's the poor, it's tax collectors, right? Who were traitors,

00:49:38.220 who had turned against their nation, you know, at least that was the optic of that time.

00:49:42.320 um or zealots also you know he had tax collectors like matthew among his 12 and then he also had

00:49:48.260 zealots you know and um and these were those who were marginalized they were on the fringes

00:49:54.120 and the well-to-do people who love the chief seats right these jewish leaders uh they hated

00:50:00.800 they hated seeing um this clientele uh coming to christ and so um i do think that there is

00:50:09.580 revival happening now, and I think it's going to increase substantially. I'm very, very bullish

00:50:14.480 on God sending revival, but I think that revival is actually not in urban cities.

00:50:21.940 It's not among the coastal elites. It's not with the guys who were linking arms with you

00:50:29.820 at the George Floyd rally. I think that the revival, the real revival that God is sending

00:50:35.160 is in flyover country i think it's on farms i think it's in rural places i think it's um

00:50:41.960 young families it's billy bob you know it's uh it's those guys um that god is uh working on

00:50:49.940 their hearts and they're the ones who actually are marginalized and that's what we heard for

00:50:54.660 the longest time is that well jesus came for the tax collectors and you know widows and orphans and

00:51:01.740 that's, you know, who is that? Well, that's BLM Marxist. No, it's not. No, they're the Pharisees.

00:51:11.220 No, the actual ostracized people in our nation today are not immigrants invading. They're not

00:51:22.080 black people committing crime. Not all black people are doing that, but those who are.

00:51:27.880 they're not female boss babes and coastal elites the actual marginalized people in our nation today

00:51:36.340 predominantly are young white men they have been hated and passed over for every job opportunity

00:51:43.120 every promotion many of them will never be able to own a home they are the disenfranchised they're

00:51:48.880 the ones who have been deracinated from their own inheritance and and they're the ones who have had

00:51:54.820 enough and who are coming to Jesus for solutions. So let's go to a commercial break, and we will be

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00:55:19.720 treasure. Well, one thing that you noticed, we have the thumbnail, we said nationalism rising,

00:55:27.580 a global revival. And the last part was a type of Western solidarity, that these are the things that

00:55:32.800 are kind of marking this fourth turning. As we hit the crisis point, we'll get to predictions

00:55:36.780 here in a minute. What do we think will happen? But there does need to be a sense, I mentioned

00:55:40.580 Britain, I mentioned Australia, New Zealand, Germany, a sense in which the Western nations

00:55:46.280 view themselves as kind of in this together. I think of my own ancestry. I have ancestors that

00:55:52.120 were from Britain and from Germany. And probably in many ways, I have relatives that are still

00:55:56.200 there. Hopefully they're in those marches. Hopefully they're patriotic. But there's a

00:56:01.420 sense in which the struggle that I share that struggle in somewhat of a sense. We're American,

00:56:05.880 The American colonies were ultimately colonies of Britain.

00:56:09.720 They were a British colonial expansion.

00:56:12.220 So the struggle that's happening over there, in many ways also, too, there's something to say,

00:56:16.540 hey, we should, Aaron McIntyre jokes about it as a moderate position,

00:56:20.440 we should harm the British rebels that are rebelling against their government over there in the UK

00:56:24.240 because they have it actually a lot worse than we do.

00:56:26.820 And within that, so you have Western solidarity, Western nations together saying,

00:56:30.820 we have to say no to immigration.

00:56:32.300 We have to say no to Muslim immigration.

00:56:35.000 We have to say no to replacing Christianity as our core religion.

00:56:39.080 And also within that, there does need to be a sense, and the word can sound icky, but

00:56:42.960 we need to be honest about it, of white solidarity.

00:56:45.440 Whites went from about 36% of the world in the mid-1900s to about 8%.

00:56:49.600 White people are a global minority.

00:56:52.640 And in that, we have to say, hey, there's certain things that we collectively, now,

00:56:57.200 of course, there's national duties that you have.

00:56:59.880 There's familial duties that you have, Christian duties that you have.

00:57:03.180 Well, one of those would be to say, and also in a sense of my ancestors, the people I'm related to, I care about them and their struggle.

00:57:11.120 And we haven't won this if, well, sure, I survive.

00:57:14.240 But ultimately, what my nation has is a complete erosion of our Western values, our Christian values.

00:57:20.140 You said it before that if America became—

00:57:22.640 And Western people.

00:57:23.360 And Western people.

00:57:24.240 Go ahead.

00:57:24.760 I was going to say if America was only 5% white, but it had all these other things, it was safe this, that, or the other, we did it.

00:57:31.320 We saved America.

00:57:32.040 Nope.

00:57:32.360 Well, no, you didn't in a way.

00:57:34.300 The people that used to live here are gone.

00:57:36.860 They've been destroyed.

00:57:38.160 You lost America.

00:57:39.380 America is the people.

00:57:41.740 It's people and place.

00:57:43.740 We've argued this.

00:57:44.980 A nation is more than simply people and place, but it's never less.

00:57:50.440 So we would say land and lineage.

00:57:52.960 That's soil and blood.

00:57:56.700 It's place and people.

00:57:58.600 That's part of what a nation is.

00:57:59.940 it doesn't matter what rhetoric or words you choose um that's just a fact it's people in place

00:58:05.740 blood and soil land and lineage um but in addition to that land lineage language that's part of it

00:58:13.460 laws right customs and laws that's part of it liturgy worship right that's part of it and loves

00:58:20.540 your virtues and values and traditions so land lineage language laws uh liturgy worship and

00:58:29.440 loves and so if america in 2050 has has liturgy right um it's it's christian let's say it's 90

00:58:39.740 christian like it once was not that long ago um but let's say america is 90 christian in 2050

00:58:46.660 um but it is 15 percent white uh that's a tragedy right you lost america uh the founders told us

00:58:59.500 who they were bleeding and sweating and dying for blood sweat and tears for us and our posterity

00:59:05.860 it's not for india it's not for pakistan um they they were doing it for um their children's

00:59:13.240 children's children they were doing it for their descendants and so i want america to be christian

00:59:18.720 absolutely never less never less but i also do want america to look like historical america that

00:59:27.560 doesn't mean that we don't have some people here uh that that are not necessarily of anglo descent

00:59:33.600 i mean at this point in time it's nearly impossible to turn back the clock right we have

00:59:39.400 all kinds of people who are a part of america but some of those people really have a heritage here

00:59:46.080 and some of them don't right i think of certain hispanics right there are some mexicans who were

00:59:52.740 born in mexico and moved to the united states in the last five years um you need to leave

00:59:59.900 it's not your home right you need to get out of here right well but i i love america yeah the

01:00:05.980 whole world loves America. I understand that. Everybody, you know, I mean, there are people

01:00:10.740 who say death's America, but the whole world would love to live here, right? The whole world hates

01:00:14.480 white people, but they all demand the right to live next to us. Have you noticed that? Everybody

01:00:19.460 hates white people, but they also want to live right next to the white people. I find that very

01:00:24.660 interesting. So you got here 15 minutes ago. You need to go home. There are other Hispanics,

01:00:32.260 however who literally participated in fighting for texas and its independence right who fought

01:00:39.020 at the alamo right so they're hispanic some of them speak spanish some of them don't most of

01:00:44.540 them do um but they are third fourth fifth generation living in america war they fought

01:00:50.940 in the civil war they're not going to find muhammad in the registry right but you'll find

01:00:54.300 jose but you'll find jose that's right so they they have fought in our wars uh they have been

01:01:00.160 here for generations so i'm not talking about those people god bless them right they're there

01:01:05.940 they are a part of america the italians they were insufferable for a long time right were

01:01:12.660 there's sometimes still inside we tolerate them because of the food that they brought

01:01:16.980 right but we do have the recipes now we know how to we know how to make pizza um but the italians

01:01:22.860 that was that was rough man because america was protestant the italians were catholic they came in

01:01:29.460 and they you know kind of tended to gravitate towards you know the uh the honorable profession

01:01:36.500 of being mob bosses and selling drugs uh and being bookies and like the italians they kind of sucked

01:01:43.020 but but it was a long time ago and eventually they they assimilated and they grafted in and

01:01:48.680 they still maintain some of the italian distinctives but they are in in every way that

01:01:53.800 matters american those who have been here for generations and likewise they share in our

01:01:58.980 customs they celebrate thanksgiving they celebrate christmas um many of them have fought in some of

01:02:04.580 our wars um and you know you think of the irish you think you know so there's so there's different

01:02:09.600 people or you think of you know even blacks um there there are you know when i think of clarence

01:02:14.360 thomas right clarence thomas his ancestry been here a long time and clarence thomas god bless

01:02:21.460 him he's doing a lot of good he's probably the best supreme court justice that we currently have

01:02:25.980 yeah he is and uh and he's been an immense blessing and culturally speaking i believe that

01:02:32.200 you know he is in many ways an anglo-protestant it's like well wait a second he's the dude's

01:02:37.180 black he's not anglo and isn't he catholic and not protestant yeah but he invibes very much an

01:02:43.880 anglo-protestant spirit and not one that you can just step on the soil the magical soil and and

01:02:50.460 recant the magical words and invite that in 15 minutes. But no, I mean, it's in his blood and

01:02:56.640 has been for generations because he's been here. Now that said, for blacks who are criminal or

01:03:03.000 violent, you know, if they've been here for generations, the solution, as I see it, is not,

01:03:09.200 you know, that so-and-so has to go back. I think the solution is so-and-so has to go to jail.

01:03:15.240 make prisons great again. And if we have a strict rule of law and the death penalty for those that

01:03:23.560 are, you know, committing capital offenses, murder, those kinds of things, and we have swift

01:03:29.100 proportional justice in the land, then that will solve 90% of the problems. And you will see

01:03:37.920 criminals, whether they're red and yellow, black and white, you'll see them in prison. Will it be

01:03:42.760 disproportionate. You betcha. You betcha. The statistics are disproportionate. You will see

01:03:49.220 per capita more blacks, significantly more blacks in jail than whites. That's simply a fact. That's

01:03:57.600 not debatable. But for those who have been here, right, they are American. But there's a ton of

01:04:07.200 people who are not ilhan omar not only is she here not only has she gained citizenship she is ruling 0.88

01:04:15.480 over heritage americans over men first of all over men as a woman right and then over over

01:04:22.840 americans as a foreigner that's that is absolutely insane the bible describes that as a curse it's a

01:04:29.780 curse yeah so ilhan omar absolutely she should be deported she has to go back this is not her home

01:04:36.680 this is not her country right he's like well an american i'm an american citizen silence

01:04:43.720 a real american is speaking right paperwork american citizens well i'm i'm an american

01:04:50.620 citizen no you're a paperwork america american that only exists because of wicked rulers that

01:04:57.040 chose to compromise and do things that were unjust you are not an american ilan omar will

01:05:02.800 never be an american never ever she was born in a foreign country she uh her allegiance she has

01:05:10.300 explicitly said is to that other country not to america um she cheated the system even to gain

01:05:17.240 her citizenship by marrying her brother which is a very somalian thing to do i might add uh no she

01:05:24.120 has to go back so um it's it's a very moderate position all we're asking is a hundred million

01:05:30.060 have to go back. And that's a real number. A hundred million have to go back. Many, many,

01:05:36.140 many others have to go to jail. That will be disproportionate based off of race. Everyone's

01:05:42.560 not the same. People are different. White criminals have to go to jail. Black criminals have to go to

01:05:48.420 jail. And per capita, there would be more blacks in jail than whites. So a hundred million have to

01:05:53.860 go back. Criminals have to go to jail. And we have to stop calling it racist. It is what it is.

01:06:00.060 and women have to stop being allowed to vote. 1.00

01:06:04.560 That's for dang sure. 1.00

01:06:06.840 And by God, we'll have our home again.

01:06:09.320 We can have a country.

01:06:10.200 These things, and you hear these things,

01:06:11.980 and we've been talking about these things

01:06:13.020 for almost two years now.

01:06:15.100 You hear these things and you think,

01:06:16.500 that'll never happen.

01:06:18.080 So here's the next part of the episode.

01:06:20.880 I've got great news for you.

01:06:23.360 Here's the white pill.

01:06:25.700 For those who think that will never happen,

01:06:28.300 that has happened.

01:06:29.240 it has happened many times throughout history and when it happens it happens quickly yeah wes you

01:06:36.980 want to pick it up i was going to say one last piece on white solidarity because we didn't get

01:06:39.900 to it oh yeah kirk thing but with the girl that was stabbed in the train at this point close to

01:06:44.140 a month ago irena uh she was ukrainian so we're not going to bend the rules here she was not an

01:06:48.840 american either she was born in ukraine she was a refugee from the war and she was killed for

01:06:53.300 being white the killer on the way out of the train said i got that white girl right and we all felt

01:06:58.600 there wasn't a like well actually she wasn't american or she was this or that no she was white

01:07:03.200 and she was killed for being white so within america and britain every white man saw that 1.00

01:07:08.960 woman even though she's ukrainian right and even though she had a blm flag in her dorm room right

01:07:15.040 and that there's pictures of it um which good grief that's an irony but in that moment we're

01:07:22.160 not we're not teasing her we're not picking on her for the blm flag which she shouldn't have had 0.59

01:07:26.860 it's retarded. And we're also not picking on her for being an immigrant and being a Ukrainian who

01:07:32.340 really does not have a business being in our country. In that moment, we saw a white woman 0.90

01:07:37.320 who looks like my wife, who looks like my mother when she was younger, who looks like my daughters

01:07:43.500 will look like when they're grown. Sam Hyde did a great job. He said, this is you. And he showed

01:07:48.920 a picture of Charlie Kirk. He said, this is your wife, your mother, your daughter. And he showed

01:07:55.000 a picture of irena and that moment that was powerful and we did an episode on it and i got

01:08:01.340 tons of flack for that got like they clipped me out right when watch clipped me out got like

01:08:05.700 i think got like six or seven million views just on right when watch it got 1.7 um but then other

01:08:11.700 big accounts picked it up scott adams and others um but that was a moment that i you know i decided

01:08:17.520 i'm gonna step out i'm gonna be bold here i'm gonna talk about the fbi statistics i'm gonna

01:08:21.560 I'm going to be real because it was a moment to capitalize on something that we have not had in a

01:08:27.880 very long time. White people are the only people who don't have an in-group preference. You have

01:08:35.260 to be aware of that. Every other group of people in our country, they have a solidarity. They have

01:08:43.160 a unity. They have an understanding of in-group and out-group, and they have a preference for

01:08:49.920 their group white people are the only people who their preference is actually everyone outside of

01:08:56.640 themselves right and the people that they hate the most is themselves white people are are quite

01:09:04.160 literally and the way they behave politically culturally at every level white people are

01:09:09.620 suicidal white westerners um are are committing suicide against themselves and so when there are

01:09:18.660 moments, I got that white girl. She's bleeding out on the floor of a subway. Those are important

01:09:26.020 moments for us to come out and say, guys, they hate Christians. There's no doubt about that.

01:09:34.020 There is a spiritual war between light and darkness. There is a spiritual war. There is a

01:09:39.360 hatred, a war on Christians. But there is also a war against white people. There is. And that's

01:09:45.980 not the same war. These are two distinct wars. They hate white people, whether they're Christian

01:09:52.400 or not. They hate Christians also. But if it's just a war on Christianity, then what about

01:10:01.000 Ethiopia? How come, you know, like it's not just a war on Christianity. It's a war on white

01:10:07.060 Christians. And we have to come to terms with that. So that was a powerful moment, you know,

01:10:12.680 for a few days before Charlie Kirk, another powerful moment, everything happening quickly.

01:10:17.740 It is, I think, the turning of the tide right now. But that is, I think, also vital. You're

01:10:23.780 right, Wes. It's vital, I think, for the West and its survival and its restoration. There has to be

01:10:30.880 spiritually a revival, a return to Christ. There also has to be a heritage solidarity.

01:10:38.000 of these are my people. These are my people, and strangers and foreigners are not a part of this.

01:10:46.340 This is not their heritage. I don't hate you, but you have to go home. This is not your home.

01:10:53.700 This is not your heritage. Our fathers built this for us, and it's actually a breach of the

01:11:00.920 fifth commandment to honor thy father and mother, to take the inheritance that your fathers were

01:11:06.420 willing to bleed and sweat and die for that they gave to you graciously and to slap your fathers in

01:11:13.300 the face by taking their inheritance and giving it away that's actually um that is actually a

01:11:20.040 rebellion and god will not bless it god has not blessed globalism he has not blessed diversity

01:11:26.300 he has not blessed the west and its insistence on committing a societal suicide nope so what's

01:11:36.320 going to happen the next couple of years. The whole theme of this is the fourth turning. So

01:11:40.420 the final point after you have a good period of time, then you begin to have erosion of trust in

01:11:44.940 institutions, a general unrest leading to crisis. And all the historical examples, the Revolutionary

01:11:50.460 War, the Civil War, and World War II, they ended in a war. Now, the war was quick. And my point

01:11:56.160 in kind of this is you didn't have 50 years of war, for example, in the Civil War. It wasn't a

01:12:01.420 long, drawn-out, decades worth of war. You've had some of that historically in the past. But at least

01:12:06.020 for this one, I think of, for example, the 40 years war after the, the 30 years war after the

01:12:10.240 Reformation. But at least so far in American history, they haven't been long, but they have

01:12:14.120 been brief and they have been violent. And I don't know about you, we were talking about this before

01:12:17.580 we started the episode. I don't kind of see this cold civil war, right? The left trying to assassinate

01:12:22.700 a presidential candidate, the left killing a Christian man for speaking out on campus, the left

01:12:27.580 doing this, the left using warfare like they did with January 6th. I don't see the tit for tat going

01:12:32.540 on until 2050 and that's what you kind of have to get is right is all of this that's happening

01:12:37.720 i don't think this is actually what we're going to all experience if you're a millennial you're

01:12:41.920 in your 30s so by god's grace you have 40 more years of life left it's all you've ever known so

01:12:46.060 so i understand why you might think well i've known age during the financial crisis i've known

01:12:50.160 it for the last you know 20 years and so this is what will continue for the next 30 years

01:12:54.100 but wes you're absolutely right like um it won't continue because it can't right it's actually not

01:13:00.040 viable it's it's literally impossible so we're not good you're right we're not going to just

01:13:04.060 ride all the way up to 2050 for the next you know two and a half decades with you know like the you

01:13:10.500 know just things you know the status quo things being what they've been uh something will give

01:13:16.140 right um just think of for example this year so trump gets inaugurated january 20th i mean how

01:13:22.780 much i can even see in myself how much i've even changed been radicalized further seven to eight

01:13:27.680 months. We have three more years of this with Trump. And then comes a real test. We've talked

01:13:32.800 about our hesitancies with Vance. He's for sure, at least at this point, the front runner. Trump's

01:13:36.720 not going to run again. He's he's he's getting to the end of it. So Vance is kind of the heir

01:13:40.600 apparent. But we have three more years that are probably in many ways going to be like the last

01:13:46.160 eight months. I think of the shooting of the UnitedHealthcare CEO. That was December 4th of

01:13:50.580 last year. That was another event that you just don't see. The CEO of a huge health care company

01:13:56.760 gunned down by a vigilante and tons of leftists and communists especially on the far left

01:14:02.440 celebrating him you had of course charlie kirk tons of people celebrating his death because he

01:14:09.180 thought different than them politically so you have the increase in this violence you have people

01:14:13.960 taking sides 2028 to 2032 those are going to be those are going to be the years if you have young

01:14:21.720 children if your children are under 10 i really think i could be wrong those are the years that

01:14:26.680 are going to determine the kind of world your children grew up in as adults and your grandchildren

01:14:31.200 and you have now two three years if by god's grace we're lucky maybe more but maybe less

01:14:37.800 you have time i think to prepare for it i remember my uncle god bless him he's been a prepper for a

01:14:43.980 good couple decades right you remember y2k it was all like all right the computers what's going to

01:14:48.400 happen is they go from the 1900s into 2000 they're going to crash they're going to lose their whole

01:14:52.880 global economy. The people were prepping and stashing away. Churches were having meetings.

01:14:56.640 What do we do? It turned out to be nothing. I remember when Barack Obama got inaugurated into

01:15:01.260 office and it's like, socialism is here. He's going to do all of this. Well, he didn't. But I

01:15:05.940 think now the conditions are actually ripe for the unrest. They're ripe for the tension. They're

01:15:11.100 ripe for, unfortunately, the violence. The conditions are now, as we've seen, millions of

01:15:16.680 people taking the streets, people furious about Charlie Kirk, political angst. Now is actually

01:15:22.380 the moment where enough of it is pent up that something actually could happen. And so you as

01:15:26.840 a duty, especially to the fathers and to the husbands, you have a duty to be thinking in five

01:15:32.060 years, this, this nation may look very, very different. Now, by God's grace, that'll actually

01:15:38.280 be political. This has happened before. Now, sometimes it's violent. I think of the Spanish

01:15:41.620 revolution took Franco about three years to defeat the communists. Sometimes it is political. And

01:15:46.220 that's actually by God's grace, the best way there's minimal bloodshed, there's minimal loss

01:15:50.040 of life and the left actually rolls over and says yeah we lost and they hightail out of town so

01:15:55.160 that's the ideal but you need to prepare as if that's actually not going to happen 2028 is going

01:16:01.500 to be it's going to be an incredible year one way or the other it is going to be pivotal it is not

01:16:06.600 politics as usual no well we had reagan we had goldwater who knows we'll see no the soul of the

01:16:13.920 nation will be there and maybe even in the primaries who's going to define the right-wing

01:16:17.500 movement going forward that's earlier in the year leading up to the general election yeah and in

01:16:21.620 that regard i'm i'm actually very hopeful um i think we're going to see some um some really

01:16:28.460 positive change uh that that will shock many of us that um i mean people are already saying they're

01:16:34.640 like i never thought these kinds of conversations would be happening right in in our lifetime and

01:16:39.820 they are. So I think we will see quickly some very, very positive changes. That said, I do think

01:16:50.040 that it's going to get worse before it gets better. So I'm praying by God's grace that it's not, you

01:16:55.680 know, bloody, that it's not war, like actual war, civil war. But I, and I don't personally think if

01:17:04.640 i had to bet that it will be that it'll get to that level of a civil war but i do think that it's

01:17:10.280 entirely possible that we will see um an increase um during those years where where the left is is

01:17:18.540 just giving it everything they have you know to stay in power um i the left is violent they are

01:17:25.580 violent and um and so i could see um a few years it won't it won't be 20 years it's not going to

01:17:31.920 go on that long but i could see a few years here at at the fourth turning here at the bottom of

01:17:36.780 the ninth before there's this this resolution um a few years that are hairy that are um really

01:17:45.180 really difficult and where there's not an all-out war but where there are assassinations and not

01:17:51.160 just assassinations of those you know in positions that are you know significant and politics or

01:17:56.120 whatever it might be but um also just senseless crime like uh like i think it's really it's really

01:18:02.860 symbolic i think in many ways in god's providence that you have charlie kirk and irena um so you

01:18:08.900 have on the one hand a political figure assassinated by you know by the left um and it was calculated

01:18:16.520 and it was planned and uh you you have that on the other hand though you have also um a random

01:18:24.100 white woman killed by a random black man for no reason other than the fact that she's white

01:18:31.080 and i think that those two instances um will will i think accurately kind of represent

01:18:41.360 what we'll see we'll see just more of the um of the senseless violent crime we'll see more of that

01:18:50.200 and we'll also also see more of the targeted political assassinations with the organized

01:18:57.100 you know leftoids the uh the the trans transgender cells uh which is real trans transgender cells

01:19:04.140 um transgenderism i i really do believe uh lgbt the t stands for terrorist um it really does and

01:19:12.620 sad um when they're not you know assassinating you know um political figures like charlie kirk

01:19:20.060 they're shooting children at a christian school you know so um but i think we will see uh more

01:19:25.860 of that and so as it pertains to the listener i think that um that there's some really hopeful

01:19:32.000 things around the corner and it could be three years it could be eight years um but i really

01:19:38.540 think like three like three two to five years maybe three to eight years in less than 10 years

01:19:43.680 we're going to see a big turnaround but i i'm telling you i'm not trying to just be vindicated

01:19:50.640 or say i was right or nanny nanny boo boo or rub it in i i'm actually pleading with you i'm pleading

01:19:57.440 with you please um christian father especially if you are white if you have white children

01:20:04.420 you have to get out of the city now you cannot live in the city you have to get out you have to

01:20:13.600 do whatever it takes you have to sell your home you have to live somewhere safe because it is

01:20:21.920 going to get worse that is my my strong prediction that's what i believe i'm confident in that it is

01:20:30.640 going to get worse before it gets better and it's not just going to be targeted assassinations from

01:20:36.260 the left on political celebrities like charlie kirk it will be irena it will be um that random

01:20:45.840 white girl i mean what was the what was the situation not that long ago where a black man

01:20:51.340 shot um a five-year-old boy on his little that case is actually four to five years old but uh

01:20:58.940 he did the magical incantation he called me that word which was there even proof that a five-year-old

01:21:05.180 boy said that word no i don't believe it it's it's the same thing uh the killer of arena said

01:21:09.500 on the way out well she called me this so i was justified in doing that but yeah yeah i'm sure

01:21:14.040 she called me out with her blm flag in her dorm room no um it's lies it's absolute it's absolute

01:21:21.680 lies it makes me angry so so but that's that's my point is um it's not just targeted assassinations

01:21:27.760 for political celebrities it's um it's the white girl on the train yeah it's the white five-year-old

01:21:35.500 boy on his bicycle in your neighborhood um it is going to be um it is going to be pivotal

01:21:43.660 where you live and who you live next to and i'm sorry i'm not trying to be rude i'm not trying

01:21:53.740 to stoke division i am trying to save the lives of christians and the lives of heritage americans

01:22:00.760 i do not want your wife to bleed out on a subway i do not want your son to be shot in the head

01:22:09.980 when he's riding his bicycle and so no um you do not need to be living in diverse places you do

01:22:17.780 not need to be living in urban places you need to abandon blue states you need to abandon blue

01:22:24.740 cities you need to abandon even suburbs that are diverse and you need to live somewhere that is

01:22:32.660 private ideally in a gated community i looked up a statistic the other day i know it's expensive

01:22:39.880 but even if it's buying two acres of land and building a gate yourself that by by having a

01:22:46.200 gated driveway or being in a gated community um in terms of petty senseless crime so like if you're

01:22:52.900 a political figure and it's a plot you know you're being targeted like a charlie kirk scenario then

01:22:58.660 yeah they're probably going to persist and find a way around that gate but uh an irena scenario

01:23:04.100 she would be alive if she was not on that subway right you you cannot be riding a subway as a

01:23:12.360 single white girl in a metropolitan context you can't do that you can't have your kids playing

01:23:20.240 in the neighborhood if you live in an urban city context where all of your neighbors look not like

01:23:27.820 you you can't do that um and and i think it's going to get worse before it gets better i think

01:23:35.260 it's going to get way better way better but it will not we're not going to waltz in to regaining

01:23:42.960 our home right um it's going to come but it's going to come with some significant upheaval

01:23:49.080 i i am optimistic though i do think on the other side of it is going to be a prosperity and peace

01:23:54.460 that we all long for and that we didn't think possible that at the end of every one of these

01:23:59.400 cycles you had the war and there's a type of psychological catharsis in it we went to war

01:24:03.700 with Britain. And we said, get off here, get out. And actually then the times that followed it,

01:24:08.540 the early 1800s, I mean, Andrew Jackson, they were good times. Reconstruction, not as good

01:24:13.520 for the South, but generally speaking, the late 1800s into the 1900s, those were good times.

01:24:18.300 The baby boomers, I mean, again, they kind of ruined it for the rest of us. But would I go

01:24:23.760 back to the time when I could buy a home for twice my annual income? Of course I would. All

01:24:28.560 those times came after a period of difficulty but those really were good times they were and this

01:24:34.460 time you can learn so you can say oh we've seen in the past we've seen what the awakenings did we

01:24:39.220 saw what happened to these institutions here's what we don't want to lose them this time but

01:24:43.080 the only way kind of out the only way is is through i'm going to stretch the scripture a

01:24:47.620 little bit even malachi 4 so one of the promises when god says i'm bringing judgment on jerusalem

01:24:52.020 so he says i'm gonna i'm gonna come and visit you the messenger of the covenant i'm gonna bring

01:24:56.140 fire upon the wicked. And he says, but the righteous are going to go out skipping. They're

01:25:00.340 going to grow up like calves and they're going to tread down the wicked. So at the end of judgment

01:25:04.560 over and over again in the Bible, the righteous are secure through it. The righteous got out of

01:25:08.960 Dodge. The righteous got out of the city. The righteous had the foresight to say, nope, this

01:25:13.800 is not the time to take that investment banking job in New York city. We're going to live a little

01:25:17.900 bit farther away. And then judgment came calamity upon the wicked. And it was the righteous that

01:25:23.080 were established and experience the peace and prosperity that god loves for his people right

01:25:27.340 amen yeah leave leave the cities for the wicked um but for the righteous you you protect your wife

01:25:35.580 and kids you get somewhere else um you got to find safety uh yeah but i i agree i think that

01:25:42.000 things are going to get worse before they get better but i think all this is going to happen

01:25:45.620 quick i think it's going to happen fast in the next few years and so where you live today really

01:25:50.460 really matters um but but then once once it happens things get worse then they get better

01:25:58.220 but the better that we're talking about is not just a return you know to the 90s you know or

01:26:03.680 the early 2000s the better that we're that we're predicting um is like a lot better um you you look

01:26:11.340 at you know after world war ii it was never again mentality and i i am praying and i believe as a

01:26:19.000 Christian man as a pastor, and I'm praying actively, God, I pray that you would produce

01:26:24.440 repentance in the hearts of your people that we could, with clarity and conviction, that we could

01:26:34.780 declare never again to diversity, to immigration, to globalism, to Marxism, to communism, to leftism,

01:26:43.840 to transgenderism that we could say never again never again and like i already said earlier i gave

01:26:51.140 the disclaimers america is not going to be all white that's not what i'm talking about but i am

01:26:56.220 talking about a hundred million people going back i'm absolutely talking about that and then the

01:27:01.140 people who remain i'm talking about a strict rule of law that is a blessing to the righteous and a

01:27:07.220 terror to the evildoer and that will affect i believe people based on race disproportionately

01:27:14.400 because that is the statistics i wish it wasn't i wish it wasn't but i think one of the ways to

01:27:20.660 help like for instance the black community is um imagine this think about i think about this

01:27:26.620 as a father i have five kids if i corrected and disciplined four of my children when they

01:27:32.800 disobeyed. But then one of my children, I isolated them, intentionally chose, no matter what they do,

01:27:41.660 I will never correct them. I will never discipline them. They can be just beating the heck out of

01:27:47.660 their siblings. They can be a terror to their mother, shouting and being disrespectful.

01:27:54.580 But not only will I not discipline or correct, I will affirm. If they're screaming, a five-year-old

01:28:00.900 child screaming at their mother i'll step into that scenario and i'll start screaming at their

01:28:06.260 mother with them say it is your fault i can't believe blah blah blah he's right he's like

01:28:12.780 if if i did that as a father what do you think would happen four of my children would be well

01:28:20.340 behaved and one of them would be a brat an absolute terror and when he grew up and actually

01:28:28.020 was a full adult man, he would be a danger to society. And that's what we have done in America.

01:28:37.220 We didn't always do that, but that's what we have done for about 20 years now. For about 20 years,

01:28:43.480 we have looked at certain demographics of America and said, hey, it's not your fault.

01:28:50.760 You didn't do anything wrong. In fact, you have been wronged. You are a victim. You have been

01:28:57.140 oppressed um if you're arrested 14 times we'll let you back off again and again and again um

01:29:04.660 oh 14 chances for you um but only one chance for irena she didn't get a second chance

01:29:12.920 but the black man got 14 and right now is in a mental health hospital to see if we'll give him

01:29:19.260 15 chances that's right to get out from even now now even now he's uh he will it's very probable

01:29:25.360 he will not actually pay for his sentence he will not pay for his crimes and so that's the sad

01:29:31.500 reality but here's the deal so how do you fix it um you get rid of non-americans you get rid of

01:29:37.200 100 million people mass deportations beyond that for those who really are americans um but that

01:29:44.220 would include some who are of different race and some of those races having been coddled for 20

01:29:51.620 years. A strict rule of law. You get rid of many, and then you actually apply justice for those who

01:29:59.880 remain. And with just standards, here's the deal. The black community, crime will go down. It will.

01:30:08.240 It will. If you enforce justice and, oh, somebody committed a murder, and they're hung

01:30:18.420 on national television. It should be publicized. If it's a national crime with public attention

01:30:24.320 and it's a capital crime, murder, I believe there should be capital punishment. It should not be 25

01:30:30.500 to 30 years. That's unjust. It should be a fair trial, but within weeks or months, justice must

01:30:37.520 be swift. The Bible says if justice is delayed, then wickedness will creep up. Others will look

01:30:43.360 at that and say, oh, look, this guy got away with murder, right? So the justice must be proportional

01:30:48.660 life for life. It must be swift. And I believe that if it was a public crime, then the justice

01:30:56.940 should be carried out publicly. You will not have to hang that many people publicly on national

01:31:04.680 television before every community black or white gets their act together and says

01:31:12.500 i don't want to do that don't want to do that that's gnarly they don't mess around in this

01:31:19.860 country anymore they actually they actually uh are they're they're behaving as though uh

01:31:26.260 my actions have consequences um i guess i'll have to actually get my act together

01:31:31.700 and uh but if but if you say to your country like a home right the nation is just an extension of

01:31:39.020 the family if going back to the parenting analogy if you say to the country you say hey these kids

01:31:45.560 over here um you do anything wrong at all and uh and you'll go to jail right if you're peacefully

01:31:54.520 protesting jail right if you do this jail and also here's another thing um you actually have to pay

01:32:03.080 financially through your taxes you have to pay for all these other people not to work

01:32:08.720 you have to pay for all of it so if you act up or even if you do something that you technically

01:32:15.180 have a constitutional right to do um you will receive severe consequences and you have to fit

01:32:21.240 the bill you have to fit the bill for welfare for this for that and the other and then you say to

01:32:27.300 another group of people you get 14 chances you can have lower standards for testing when it comes to

01:32:34.200 getting into universities all these different things we will pick you even if you're less

01:32:39.460 qualified when there's a job opportunity over somebody else who's more qualified and um and

01:32:46.660 you also if you don't get a job and don't work uh we'll still you know we'll make all the white

01:32:52.580 people feed your wife and kids yep um what do you think is going to happen what do you think is

01:32:58.900 going to happen in that scenario that's where we are so non-americans have to go back and all

01:33:04.900 americans have to obey the law and there needs to be swift justice all the way around and it will

01:33:10.340 you know it will turn out to be disproportional um at least for the foreseeable future but

01:33:16.340 eventually by god's grace i think every community uh that you know the rising tide will lift all

01:33:22.760 the ships um that you know it may not lift them exactly the same to where everybody's equal that

01:33:28.560 that's just not the world that god made that probably won't happen but every ship will actually

01:33:32.700 rise it will better every single person in america regardless of race um if we have a just

01:33:40.220 america so um i think that those things are going to happen because i think people have had enough

01:33:45.700 um however for america to have the political will to carry those things out sadly it should be

01:33:52.640 enough for everyone but it's still not still not and so uh there are still some people who have to

01:33:59.700 see more um there are still uh boomers who like their their their greatest priority is um is

01:34:09.560 believing in the civil rights project that they that they protested for trusting in martin luther

01:34:15.520 king as their lord and savior back when they were in their early 20s um and they still believe that

01:34:20.780 in their bones and and sadly there are still boomers today that um when they were when they

01:34:26.200 were high um and using drugs and lobbying for civil rights and standing on you know the white

01:34:33.900 white house lawn that still means more to them uh than than the safety and future of their

01:34:43.000 grandchildren yeah that is that's that's your boomer diversity over the safety of my grandchildren

01:34:50.540 um and so for them sadly this is not anything that i would ever advocate for but that's why

01:34:57.860 we're saying it's not i don't think it's it's going to happen soon i think it'll happen quickly

01:35:02.460 but it is not fully happened it's happening but it's not fully happened yet um and essentially

01:35:08.480 what i'm saying is uh basically uh what are we still waiting for uh we're waiting for grandma

01:35:14.560 that's actually what it comes down to it's um sadly grandma in america has to see more

01:35:22.580 grandchildren senselessly murdered before she finally says you know what my grandbabies matter

01:35:30.440 more than mark luther king and uh we're still sadly having to wait for that um but i think

01:35:39.060 it's coming so okay uh let's go to our last commercial break we're going to come back and

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01:38:11.260 chats. First one comes from Dylan Harrington. He gave us $300. Dylan, thank you. Thank you.

01:38:18.400 Thank you. That's incredibly generous. We are so grateful. Thank you. So this is from Dylan,

01:38:23.000 $300. He said, if you can't be the man speaking and protecting truth with a platform, then make

01:38:30.100 sure that you're supporting the ones who can and are. Keep fighting the good fight, fellas.

01:38:36.480 Dylan, thank you. Some of you guys heard last week where I announced that I have gotten more

01:38:44.660 emails in the last week than I ever have in my life. My phone ringing off the hook. I have to

01:38:49.980 put it on do not disturb it's ringing right now um tons of voicemails uh hate mail hate emails

01:38:56.220 lots of encouraging ones as well praise god um but to the point where there were a couple uh death

01:39:02.300 threats and uh the board for right response uh strongly advised me and i appreciate this because

01:39:08.100 they love me and my family uh that we needed to leave our home um because our our home address

01:39:13.780 has been too too public and um and so it's you know uh yeah so uh even now uh my family and i

01:39:22.140 are um we're staying in an undisclosed location and uh and this ministry itself with with payroll

01:39:30.260 and putting on high production value and the cameras and the quality that we're doing and

01:39:35.900 the amount of time uh the staffing all these things takes money and on top of that we have to

01:39:40.820 pay a little bit of extra money for a temporary amount of time because I have to pay my mortgage

01:39:50.920 and also pay for additional housing because it's not safe for my family to be at home

01:39:59.320 right now. And so I say all that to say, Dylan, thank you, because it's, you know,

01:40:06.700 I don't want to make it about me, but it's not, it's not easy. And the reason why we're paying

01:40:13.200 extra money right now so that my family can live somewhere else, I want to be clear about that.

01:40:19.000 It's so that I can continue to be courageous because I will not compromise. I'm not going

01:40:25.060 to back down. I'm not going to stop. I'm going to continue to speak the truth. I'm going to do it

01:40:32.200 as a Christian. I'm going to use the scripture. I'm not going to be hateful or sinful, but I am

01:40:39.180 going to speak the truth. I am going to do everything I can, give my life to destroy

01:40:45.260 gay race communism. I believe the historic Christian faith passed down to the saints.

01:40:53.980 I am not beholden to 20th century liberalism. I'm beholden to the Bible. I am beholden

01:41:01.380 to historic Christianity, part of the reason I have my family staying somewhere else is so that

01:41:07.380 I know that they're safe. And because I know they're safe, I can come back in the studio

01:41:12.940 and not pull my punches. I'm making sure that my family's safe so that I don't have to compromise

01:41:20.620 so that I can go as hard as I have to go, be as strong as I have to be because I'm not going to

01:41:28.080 quit. That said, we cannot do this. We can't. I can't do this if I can't afford to get an extra

01:41:39.260 place to stay for my family when I'm getting death threats. It costs money. I can't do this

01:41:45.360 if I don't have Wes helping me research to make sure our episodes are pristine and filled with

01:41:51.660 good content, which costs money. I can't do this with high quality, where the clips go viral and

01:41:58.280 are seen by millions of people, if I can't pay my tech guys in the back room, unsung heroes who

01:42:04.720 work tirelessly, making sure that the production quality, not just the content that me and Wes are

01:42:10.420 working on, but the production quality of this show is immaculate. We are, did you ever see

01:42:15.540 Cinderella Man. I think of that movie and Paul Giamatti. There's a moment in the movie where

01:42:22.220 the main protagonist, the fighter, he goes to his house because they're in the Great Depression

01:42:28.040 and things are terrible. He can't feed his kids. And Paul Giamatti, his character is still

01:42:34.480 at least seemingly living large. So they go to his penthouse. It's immaculate. It's nice. They

01:42:39.840 walk inside and there's nothing. They're sleeping on the floors. There's no furniture. And he said,

01:42:44.940 why not just sell the house? If you're living like this, if you're actually destitute, why are

01:42:51.200 you keeping up this facade, the charade? And he's a boxing guy and he says, always keep your guard

01:43:02.440 up. And that's kind of like the ethos, I think, in many ways of Right Response Ministries is we

01:43:12.020 are going to do everything we can to always punch above our weight class um i'm not looking to hey

01:43:21.340 you know what's another you know reformed podcast you know with a webcam and that's what they're

01:43:26.620 doing and you know i'm just a reformed pastor at the end of the day and so i'll do the same no i'm

01:43:31.200 i'm looking at um that shot right there that tucker carlson has on his show that's really good

01:43:37.700 Can we achieve that?

01:43:39.120 Can we achieve?

01:43:39.860 Because I want to win the world.

01:43:42.340 I want this ministry and the content that we produce

01:43:45.820 from the substance to the rhetoric to the technology

01:43:52.040 and to the background, to the set design at every level.

01:43:56.820 I want to win the world to Christ.

01:44:01.620 And I want to defeat liberalism, gay race communism, transgenderism, globalism, Zionism, for sure.

01:44:15.820 All of it.

01:44:16.840 And we're going to do it through excellence.

01:44:19.860 We can't do it without your help.

01:44:22.380 Dylan, thank you again from the bottom of my heart.

01:44:24.920 $300 donation.

01:44:26.400 That's incredibly generous.

01:44:27.860 But he's right.

01:44:28.580 If you can't be the guy in the arena, but the guy in the arena is fighting for you, then if you can,

01:44:35.880 and I know that times are tough right now, but if you can, if you're able to, at least support that

01:44:41.740 guy in the arena. We need your help. And, you know, I'll be a little shameless for a moment.

01:44:48.560 If you would like to help in that regard, you can go to rightresponseministries.com forward slash

01:44:54.860 donate. It's that easy. RightResponseMinistries.com forward slash donate. For those of you who give

01:45:02.620 larger gifts, if God enables you to do so, we'll do everything we can to say a special thank you

01:45:10.800 as a response from giving a free conference ticket or a couple for you and your family.

01:45:18.720 I have a new book that we'll be publishing in January.

01:45:22.420 We'd love to mail you some free copies of the book.

01:45:26.140 We'll do everything that we can afford to do

01:45:28.200 to say thank you, but we do need your support.

01:45:30.920 All right, second question.

01:45:32.420 It's from This Dude Rocks is the name.

01:45:34.700 This Dude Rocks, he gave us $10.

01:45:36.400 Thank you, we appreciate that.

01:45:38.140 He asked, is Michael Belch,

01:45:39.660 who has been on the podcast in the past,

01:45:41.540 he transitioned to other endeavors

01:45:44.080 that he's pursuing about a couple months ago.

01:45:46.720 So he's saying, is Michael Belch still an elder at Covenant Bible Church, right?

01:45:50.320 Because he's been with Right Response, but also with our church.

01:45:53.120 The answer to that is yes.

01:45:54.400 He's still an elder at the church and is still preaching.

01:45:58.960 And then he said, I saw that he preached not too long ago.

01:46:01.740 I picked up his book, In Defense of Christian Nations, fantastic book.

01:46:05.980 Let me grab it real quick and plug his book.

01:46:11.380 Here we go.

01:46:12.780 If you want to zoom in real quick.

01:46:14.180 enhance here it is yeah not not i just meant put it on on me um in defense of christian nations

01:46:22.420 the bible natural affections and god's plan to use nations for good by michael belch uh so yes

01:46:30.920 michael is still an elder in our church he's no longer uh working uh with right response ministries

01:46:35.840 he's working on a lot of writing and different projects that he's trying to accomplish uh but

01:46:40.040 He is still an elder in the church, and we're still praying about future direction of those things.

01:46:49.460 There's nothing official, so I don't want to announce anything.

01:46:52.780 But Michael has mentioned multiple times, not just recently, that there is a desire to eventually,

01:47:02.560 You know, I'm the primary preaching pastor at our church, and I think that he's gifted, uniquely gifted to teach.

01:47:11.560 And so one day there may come a time where we're able to send him out.

01:47:16.800 But for the time being, he's an elder at our church.

01:47:19.900 We love his family.

01:47:20.780 His family loves our church.

01:47:22.360 And that's the answer to that question.

01:47:24.280 Great.

01:47:25.680 Johnny Marvelous, WikiWiki, $50 super chat.

01:47:29.480 Thanks so much, Johnny.

01:47:30.540 Very kind.

01:47:31.560 These actually next two are from individuals that have visited our church.

01:47:34.580 So Covenant Bible, right a little bit north, 45 minutes north of Austin, Texas.

01:47:39.140 Johnny said this.

01:47:39.880 He said, great meeting y'all two weeks ago.

01:47:41.640 For the doubters, I can tell you these gentlemen are the real deal

01:47:44.660 and their church is full of salt of the earth, good faithful people.

01:47:48.200 Thanks so much.

01:47:48.820 That's very kind.

01:47:49.520 He ended, stay safe.

01:47:50.920 Joel, Wes, and Nathan, the tall, skinny, white guy.

01:47:53.420 That describes two of us, I guess.

01:47:55.520 Christ is king.

01:47:57.200 I don't know.

01:47:58.560 Hang on.

01:47:59.360 Me and Nathan?

01:47:59.880 that wasn't the two i was thinking of well hang on because we got a follow-up efficient tip sent

01:48:06.000 ten dollars thank you thank you efficient said i recently visited joel's church sadly missed the

01:48:10.940 sabbath feast genuine people especially joel and wes we put in parentheses is very tall hashtag

01:48:16.480 giant okay but real quick is that joel and wes combined do we do i get worked into a collective

01:48:22.780 very tall compliment we actually have to put a box under your seat that is me and you how tall

01:48:27.100 are you six two six two i am literally six one and a half so short so much shorter okay uh he

01:48:36.040 said you reference luther often what makes you reformed over lutheran yeah that's a good question

01:48:42.960 yeah soteriology is probably one of the biggest ones um i i love the lutherans uh most of them

01:48:49.400 today suck but um you know when when lutherans aren't excommunicating people for for holding

01:48:55.360 views you know before the 1960s um they're pretty great which means today about 90 of them are not

01:49:02.200 pretty great uh but uh historic you know lutheranism um i think uh has a lot of uh really

01:49:09.100 great things but uh but i am i know it bothers people but i i am and will always be a calvinist

01:49:16.400 yep and lutherans aren't yeah i think definitely to intellectually into high orthodoxy so turritin

01:49:21.760 the development of Reformed Theology,

01:49:24.000 Gerhardus Vos and the Dutch Theologians.

01:49:26.160 I think Reformed Theology, Luther did great work,

01:49:29.120 and obviously he started the Lutheran Church.

01:49:31.540 He pulled back from Rome.

01:49:32.820 And we all come from him.

01:49:34.220 And we all come from him.

01:49:35.260 But it is Calvin's thought, it is Turretin's thought,

01:49:37.620 it is Vos' thought, Bavinck's.

01:49:39.500 He also wrote the Jews and their lies.

01:49:41.780 God bless.

01:49:42.560 God bless.

01:49:43.300 What a guy.

01:49:44.320 But those are the guys that really fleshed out

01:49:46.160 what we would know I think is the best expression

01:49:48.520 of Protestant theology,

01:49:49.560 that it still maintains a sense of Catholicity,

01:49:51.760 It has its specifics in regards to salvation, in regards to church, in regards to all of that.

01:49:55.660 So that would be why.

01:49:56.640 Agreed.

01:49:57.060 I'll hit this one more, and then I think the last one is for you.

01:49:59.300 Johnny Marvelous followed it up with a $20 super chat.

01:50:01.680 He said, your service is indeed very liturgical.

01:50:04.140 My favorite part was adopting a posture of praise.

01:50:07.040 Nice.

01:50:07.900 Awesome.

01:50:08.200 That's great.

01:50:09.260 This is Josh Hopper.

01:50:11.320 He gave us five bucks.

01:50:12.720 Thanks, Josh.

01:50:13.240 We appreciate that.

01:50:14.120 He said, hey, Pastor Joel, love your ministry.

01:50:16.140 how do you foresee the current state of affairs playing out for the church and politics? I would

01:50:22.320 love to hear your take. Well, I think that, sadly, a lot of churches are pietist. Piety,

01:50:33.400 like personal holiness, right? Prayer, fasting, that's a good thing. Pietism, like most words,

01:50:39.140 when you add, you know, ism behind it, it has a negative connotation. So pietist or pietism,

01:50:45.160 um a lot of churches fall into that category and that is not a positive thing that would be

01:50:49.920 uh if you think you know pietism instead of piety that would be kind of uh you could sum it up in

01:50:55.400 the old adage uh he's so heavenly minded he's no earthly good right um and i think a lot of churches

01:51:01.440 are like that they um they over spiritualize right everything's spiritual right and and this even

01:51:07.100 gets into you know like race people are infuriated christians are infuriated that i would talk about

01:51:13.000 race because for them they said no it's it's uh the war is against christianity only it's just a

01:51:18.780 war on christianity it's only a spiritual war and it's just light versus uh darkness and i would say

01:51:25.500 yeah that's what it is fundamentally so i would never negate i'm not saying it's anything less

01:51:30.460 than a spiritual war right our battles not with flesh and blood with with principalities i i know

01:51:35.560 the bible you think i don't know a buttload about the gospel but i do you know you preach like half

01:51:41.420 of the books in the new testament yeah yeah by god's grace and so um so yes it's a spiritual war

01:51:46.460 um but here's the thing so our battle's not with flesh and blood but with principalities with with

01:51:50.680 demonic entities um it's a spiritual battle but then in first timothy chapter one the apostle

01:51:55.800 paul tells timothy he says this rebuke your opponents with gentleness not knowing whether

01:52:00.680 not god might grant them repentance that they might come to their senses after having been

01:52:05.440 taken captive by the devil to do his will. What does that mean when you put these two verses

01:52:11.360 together? What it means is that fundamentally we have a spiritual war against the devil,

01:52:15.400 light versus darkness. But that our spiritual adversary, who is our true fundamental adversary,

01:52:22.320 the devil, what does he do? Well, the spiritual entity that we're at war with, namely Satan,

01:52:28.440 he takes and enlists flesh and blood within his ranks, right? Rebuke your opponents with

01:52:35.800 gentleness, not knowing whether or not God might grant them repentance, that they might come to

01:52:39.520 their senses after being taken captive by the devil. Who? Human opponents, people. So your

01:52:48.120 battle is with the devil, but the devil employs flesh and blood. Our battle is not with flesh

01:52:53.100 and blood. Yeah, in the ultimate sense, that's what the Bible's speaking of. So in the ultimate

01:52:57.220 sense, in the spiritual sense, in the highest sense, our battle is not with flesh and blood,

01:53:01.100 but it's actually a spiritual battle. It really is. But in the temporal sense,

01:53:07.040 as we live daily lives in this world, in the physical cosmos that God made,

01:53:12.140 well, this spiritual entity that we're at war with, he does enlist within his ranks,

01:53:17.580 flesh and blood, and we are battling them. So that said, back to the question from Josh Hopper,

01:53:22.340 sadly much of the church uh cannot think in categories and they cannot understand the basic

01:53:31.260 truth that i just articulated in two minutes right it's just and and here's the thing it's

01:53:38.400 not so much they cannot they will not they won't it's it's a moral uh hindrance they won't do it

01:53:45.340 because it's icky. They don't want any kind of theological conviction that would create

01:53:52.980 among their fellow man an us and them, friend-enemy distinction, some might say, right?

01:54:00.860 That it fuels icky. And so what is my prediction for the church and its role?

01:54:09.840 well ideally i'll tell you my hope and then my prediction my hope is that the church ultimately

01:54:16.260 would play its god-given role which is word and sacrament um the church would speak occasionally

01:54:21.860 to political things like charlie kirk when he was assassinated that's a major event and i think it's

01:54:26.120 good for the church to address that i i really do um but by and large it's uh here's the text

01:54:33.060 here's the text here's the text word sacrament word sacrament because the church needs to be a

01:54:40.520 refuge from people who are fighting this war six days a week and and one day a week on the lord's

01:54:47.340 day they're able to ascend the hill of the lord they're able to to have be seated in heavenly

01:54:53.060 places they're able to uh to to experience as the puritan said the market day for the soul and find

01:54:59.220 rest and find rest and consolation and comfort the excellent ones as david wrote in the psalms

01:55:05.200 the excellent ones in all the earth gathering together and that it would be not just more war

01:55:11.700 but it would be a rest from war ceasing from war i think of you know the great battle where

01:55:17.400 both sides rested on christmas and came together because at the end of the day they were brothers

01:55:21.980 they were christian brothers and even nationally speaking they were brothers and they and they

01:55:26.680 recognize now we're going to pause for a moment. We know that when tomorrow comes, we will be back

01:55:32.540 fighting against one another, but we're going to lay that aside for one day. And that's what

01:55:37.720 Christians do when we gather together. So I hope that the church would fulfill the role of word

01:55:42.160 and sacrament and not be overly political. And then I hope that Christians, so here's the

01:55:52.080 difference. There's the church institute, and then there's the church that is Christians, the people

01:55:58.120 who make it up. So if we're speaking of the church insofar as people, people, Christians, they're the

01:56:04.320 ones who are going to have to fight this war. They're going to have to fight it spiritually, not

01:56:08.080 against flesh and blood, but also temporally, which is against flesh and blood. And I'm not

01:56:12.220 saying fight it physically, I'm not saying violence, but politically, culturally, all these

01:56:16.980 ways economically. So Christians, the church of Jesus Christ, as it pertains to individual

01:56:22.180 Christians, we are going to have to fight the war. But the church, as it pertains to the church

01:56:27.940 institute, I'm hoping that the clergy and the church institute and the Lord's Day would be

01:56:33.600 reserved as a place of rest from the war. And I hope that we can work in tandem in that way.

01:56:40.200 Wes, you want to take the next one? All right. Hal 9K sent $5. Thank you, Hal. He said,

01:56:44.580 thanks for what you do, Pastor. Short and sweet. Will Nelson, $5. Christian men in the USA have

01:56:50.920 lost control of their daughters. That is a large part of the problem. They lose control when they

01:56:55.540 reach age of about 12. Many such cases. Yep. Christian men have absolutely lost control of

01:57:01.880 their daughters. And I do think that their mothers are part of that problem. The fathers,

01:57:08.180 that's not to say that they don't get any blame. But I also do think that happy wife, happy life,

01:57:13.920 and just men who are allowing their wives to wear the pants

01:57:18.620 and constantly rule the roost

01:57:21.960 when the daughter reaches puberty.

01:57:25.940 Because I don't think it's a coincidence.

01:57:27.180 When they get to about a certain age,

01:57:28.960 it's like all of a sudden he backs off.

01:57:30.820 He becomes more indifferent.

01:57:32.360 He's not as involved.

01:57:33.640 Why?

01:57:34.200 Because she looks like her mother and he's afraid of her.

01:57:37.440 I never made that connection.

01:57:40.460 Appeal to Heaven 7, good brother 499

01:57:42.820 on Protestants, so Protestantism and some of his troubles.

01:57:48.840 IFB has been dying out.

01:57:50.060 IFB is Independent Fundamentalist Baptist.

01:57:52.540 Praise God.

01:57:53.780 Which drove a lot of people off with the Disby mindset.

01:57:56.660 Yep, that's true.

01:57:57.720 A lot of people left, too, Independent Fundamentalism.

01:58:00.120 Like, you look at the people that are coming back to church.

01:58:02.080 A lot of them grew up in that context.

01:58:04.020 They left when they went to college.

01:58:05.460 They left when they left the home.

01:58:07.040 What they're coming back to now, they're not coming back to IFB,

01:58:09.060 but they're coming back to churches like ours or, as previously mentioned, Catholicism.

01:58:12.540 he said, no one I grew up with goes to church. I'm Reformed Baptist now because of that. I grew

01:58:18.600 up IFB and I'm no longer IFB. So many, many such cases. Okay. Dapper Dan, this is a $10 from Dapper

01:58:25.200 Dan. Thank you. We appreciate that. Dan, he says, since the left can't be reasoned with, so true.

01:58:31.460 The only people that conservatives need to be debating right now are other conservatives who

01:58:36.900 just want to be left alone i think that's actually a really insightful point so i'd say two things on

01:58:43.260 that um completely agree and also disagree at the same time slightly but mostly agree he's he's

01:58:49.340 absolutely right um uh nick fontes made this point um and i and i think he was right just uh uh

01:58:56.720 acknowledging i i mean everybody knows it's no secret nick fontes hated charlie kirk hated him

01:59:03.240 and said some pretty terrible things about charlie kirk um but when charlie kirk was

01:59:09.240 assassinated nick fuentes he realized whoa wait a second um and and he did an episode

01:59:16.000 doesn't erase everything he said in the past um but he he he didn't do anything that day

01:59:21.580 he paused he waited he thought he prayed and he came and did probably arguably his most careful

01:59:28.760 thoughtful episode of america first that he's ever done on charlie kirk and did nothing but um

01:59:36.500 call people away call the right away from violence um call even the groypers and some of them are

01:59:43.640 mad at him you know but uh at even the risk of offending his base called them to honor charlie

01:59:49.500 kirk uh respected him uh paid homage um so he did a good job but then you know a couple days later

01:59:56.240 he tweeted out, and I think it was insightful, and he just pointed out, he wasn't trying to

01:59:59.960 disparage Charlie or anything like that, but he just pointed out that Charlie was known for his

02:00:05.540 willingness to hold reasonable discourse and debate in person with far leftist, people who

02:00:18.100 were not even close to where Charlie was in his position, people who think that a boy can be a

02:00:25.540 girl and a girl can be a boy and um you know the surgical procedures for transgenderism for minors

02:00:32.780 and abortion and all these different things uh pretty pretty pretty crazy uh and he was willing

02:00:40.000 to talk to them but there was a certain sector of the right that nick fuentes would be one of those

02:00:45.280 guys that represents that sector um that not just charlie i don't want to just put on him but charlie

02:00:51.000 and others would never talk to so they'll talk to a transgender furry but they wouldn't even

02:00:57.080 mention by name right but would not would never talk to someone like nick fuentes and i do think

02:01:02.700 um that dapper dan is right that that needs to change that doesn't mean you can't still hold

02:01:07.980 disagreements it doesn't mean you can't hold serious disagreements but i do think that there

02:01:12.900 has to be discourse um it can't just be that we're willing to reach across the aisle to the left

02:01:18.020 but we're not willing to even host a debate

02:01:21.760 or have a conversation with people on the right.

02:01:24.800 And so I do think that's something that needs to change.

02:01:27.180 Yep.

02:01:28.080 J.D. Peabody, $10.

02:01:31.700 Thank you, J.D.

02:01:32.460 May God bless and keep you men and your family safe.

02:01:34.900 Love y'all.

02:01:35.660 No homo.

02:01:36.080 Thank you so much.

02:01:37.040 Thanks.

02:01:37.900 Finish it up, Joel.

02:01:39.060 BJJ wins again.

02:01:40.600 He gave us $5.

02:01:41.520 We appreciate that.

02:01:42.740 He said,

02:01:43.080 here is for one extra square foot of land for your future compound. Thank you. We appreciate

02:01:49.900 that. I also, I think it's cute that you think that $5 will buy a square foot of land.

02:01:55.280 Maybe a square inch of land here in Texas.

02:01:58.060 No, I appreciate it. Thank you. That's very kind. He said, keep fighting. We are winning.

02:02:03.240 Amen.

02:02:03.560 Amen. I really do believe that we're winning. Shout on, pray on. We're gaining ground.

02:02:08.460 I really believe that's true. So thank you guys for tuning in. It's been a huge blessing

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02:02:36.300 it comes from unbelievers,

02:02:37.560 and it comes sadly even from reformed ministers.

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The NXR Podcast - September 17, 2025

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