The NXR Podcast - THE LIVESTREAM - The Gospel Coalition Embraces Egalitarianism

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00:00:41.740 Last week, the Gospel Coalition was very concerned that Reformed and Evangelical churches are not integrating men and women together like they should.

00:00:51.560 Where are all the women teaching Sunday school with a mixed group of both men and women being present?

00:00:56.700 Why don't we have more women discipling men and acting as church mothers? 0.60

00:01:01.980 But we've seen these ideas before, and in time, without exception, they all lead to 0.74

00:01:07.420 egalitarianism.

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00:04:25.880 all right good to be back with you guys it looked like i got the call last week but i'm just out

00:04:35.380 sick. Nobody gave the ring. Shut it down. Good to be back with you guys. We're going to be talking

00:04:41.320 about the Gospel Coalition. I want to rewind the clock just a little bit because if I had a dollar

00:04:47.780 for every day that someone got on a podcast and said something silly, well, I would never have

00:04:51.600 to work again. So why this topic, why these individuals that we're about to spend this

00:04:55.700 episode reviewing and these ideas that we talked about. To rewind the clock a little bit, if you

00:04:59.940 became a Calvinist, say, 2010 to 2020 and onward, one of the biggest organizations, one of the

00:05:05.700 biggest, they're parachurch, so not a denomination, not a church, but parachurch, so kind of spanning

00:05:11.280 across these denominational lines, was the Gospel Coalition. They brought together on their board

00:05:15.200 individuals like Matt Chandler and John Piper and D.A. Carson, some of the most influential men in

00:05:20.420 American evangelicalism, and they put out material that millions upon millions of people at some

00:05:25.580 point consumed. So if you became a Calvinist 15 years ago, 10 years ago, 5 years ago, you know

00:05:31.380 who these people are, and they still hold a lot of legacy influence. This is not just someone that

00:05:36.220 fired up their webcam in their basement, just took a whole new reading of scripture. We're not

00:05:40.920 talking about that at all. We're talking about a massive organization. Even still, it's fallen off

00:05:45.720 in recent years to a significant degree. I would say even its readership, its attendance to its

00:05:49.720 conferences. But this is still, by and large, within evangelicalism, these are the resources

00:05:55.200 is that a lot of pastors, a lot of lay leaders, a lot of just individuals, they're consuming.

00:06:00.800 This is who they're listening to. These are the articles they're reading. They want advice on

00:06:04.960 politics in the election. The Gospel Coalition for years has been kind of the staple of reformed

00:06:10.940 evangelical thought. And so for Gospel Coalition to come out and say some of these things that

00:06:15.160 we're about to review is incredible. And you'll notice, so we titled this, The Gospel Coalition

00:06:20.760 embraces egalitarianism. If you can think about maybe hierarchy, you would have hierarchy on one

00:06:26.500 end. Egalitarianism is the flattening of all hierarchy. It's a removal of hierarchy of status,

00:06:31.940 of superiority, of anything of that. So you have hierarchy and you have egalitarianism.

00:06:36.160 And we titled it Gospel Coalition Embraces Egalitarianism. Now, is the Gospel Coalition

00:06:41.760 openly advocating for women filling the pulpit? Well, no, not yet. But here's the deal. Ideas

00:06:47.280 grow up. If you read Karl Marx in the Communist Manifesto, it is surprisingly absent of any

00:06:52.160 references to starving millions and millions of peasants, of destroying the workers, of hating

00:06:57.600 them. Well, why is that? Because that happened by the millions in China and in Russia. Well,

00:07:03.020 ideas, when they mature, when they come to fruition, that's when you actually begin to

00:07:07.660 realize what they're all about. And make no mistake, the ideas that are presented here,

00:07:12.180 that you're going to hear espoused, when they grow up, when the tree finally bears its fruit,

00:07:17.280 You will have a plethora, a plethora of women preachers, women teaching Sunday school.

00:07:23.500 You will have functional egalitarianism across the board. 0.72

00:07:27.720 Just for the record, you won't just have that. 0.60

00:07:29.520 You're not just going to have an epidemic of, you know, female Sunday school teachers in mixed groups. 1.00

00:07:35.500 Even as bad as that is, what is far more heartbreaking is you're going to have an epidemic of 40-year-old, 50-year-old, 60-year-old single women who are childless. 0.98

00:07:48.000 And you're basically, you're functionally going to have,

00:07:51.820 the church is going to have functionally an epidemic of widows.

00:07:56.080 You're going to have all these widows who actually were never married 0.95

00:07:59.840 because they were told to use their gifts for the church.

00:08:03.220 And so they forewent childbearing, they forewent marriage,

00:08:06.000 all these kinds of things.

00:08:07.380 And then pastors are going to have, in these types of churches,

00:08:10.460 these Gospel Coalition-esque churches,

00:08:12.640 one of their uh you know 70 80 percent of their pastoral work is going to be um just trying to

00:08:20.920 minister to uh lonely disenfranchised women who uh should have been mothers and and at some point

00:08:28.500 should have been grandmothers and weren't and and they're going to be angry when they realize that

00:08:33.480 tim keller lied to them um and uh and they realize what they lost um they're they're going to be

00:08:39.920 furious so and not only that you know those will be some of the women down the road who are

00:08:47.380 either officially or unofficially running or helping run churches and ministries right and so

00:08:54.000 there's a certain grace that when you align with god's roles men need to be dragged into adulthood

00:09:04.160 kicking and screaming that's why god has them get married and then have kids and women need to be

00:09:08.720 tempered, you know, and that's why God puts them under a husband. And so when you have women 1.00

00:09:14.640 running a ministry, either formally or informally, and, you know, I'm on board with the prediction

00:09:20.040 that eventually gospel coalition will be egalitarian, that probably will be ordaining

00:09:25.080 women, that sort of thing. Some of these churches, maybe not as an organization, but that kind of

00:09:30.080 woman, apart from just the impulse to occupy that position of leadership, she will also be 1.00

00:09:37.220 un-tempered, as it were, through children, through childbirth, and through male headship.

00:09:44.880 And that is really a situation for terrible, even more abusive than the quote-unquote 0.97

00:09:52.720 abusive leadership that we see from men, which is really just cowardly leadership. 0.95

00:09:56.600 She'll be untempered, unhinged, maybe even an unsupervised woman tweeting. 0.99

00:10:03.220 That's right. 1.00

00:10:04.200 We should hop right into...

00:10:06.020 Let me just introduce one thing, though.

00:10:08.060 So four people on this.

00:10:09.600 We're going to show some clips.

00:10:10.460 We're going to get right into it.

00:10:11.200 The four people on this, Colin Hansen and Michael J. Kruger are the two men that are on this.

00:10:16.680 Colin Hansen is editor-in-chief at Gospel Coalition.

00:10:19.380 Michael J. Kruger, my goodness, he should know better.

00:10:21.860 He is one of the preeminent, I would say preeminent, Protestant scholars on the canon of Scripture.

00:10:26.060 That is to say, how did we arrive at the 66 books that we deem to be the inspired Word of God?

00:10:30.860 So he's the preeminent Protestant theologian on these and the president of Reformed Theological Seminary, Charlotte.

00:10:38.360 So if you're in the PCA or the OPC, it's very likely that men, elders in your presbytery, so your surrounding area, were taught by either Michael Kruger himself, most certainly influenced.

00:10:49.040 And these ideas are what they're getting at seminary.

00:10:51.800 He's going to talk about how they run seminary to make sure that they're preparing women and men to do this type of egalitarian, this functionally egalitarian ministry.

00:10:59.860 ministry. So these are very influential men. I purposely, there's two women on this,

00:11:04.460 Jen Wilkin and Corey Porter. I didn't take, besides like a 20-second snippet, anything from

00:11:09.020 them, any clips, anything of what they're saying. Because I'll be honest with you, I don't know that

00:11:13.920 they know better. I don't know their husbands. I don't know their church. I don't know their

00:11:17.460 pastor. As Paul says in the scriptures, women are more easily deceived. And so I don't even think

00:11:22.500 it's fair for us to sit here and to critique Jen Wilkin as if she's an equal. We're going to deal

00:11:27.440 with the opinions, the thoughts, the takes, and they're bad, of the qualified men in this

00:11:32.320 conversation. And I think that's what I want to get back to chivalry. Men deal with men when we

00:11:37.500 have arguments and disputes. That's iron sharpening iron. This maybe would be closer to iron and a

00:11:43.140 Twinkie cake, but men should be having this, qualified men, not men versus women or women

00:11:48.640 versus men. That's good. All right, real quick, before we show the clip, help us out for the

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00:12:31.800 are confronted with biblical truth so that they stop listening to things like the Gospel Coalition.

00:12:38.320 So, all right. So there are many things that we all share in common. There are ways that we would

00:12:46.240 be different from each other as well, but one of the areas that we share in common within the

00:12:51.120 Gospel Coalition is sharing a broad complementarian perspective that the office of pastor and elder

00:12:56.760 is reserved for qualified, qualified men. And at the same time, we all agree that the body of Christ

00:13:04.380 functions best when all of its members are valued and encouraged to use their gift. You know,

00:13:11.740 often these conversations are about what women can't do. Many of the denominational debates

00:13:17.580 that we see are often focused on the things that women cannot do. And those can be important

00:13:23.760 discussions, but we also want to continually affirm all the many, many things that God has

00:13:28.940 called women to do in the church and alongside men. So I just want to start with the basic

00:13:35.340 question of how would you make the case that the church needs the ministry of women? And I thought,

00:13:40.760 Mike, that we begin with you and just look at a historical perspective. One of the things that you

00:13:44.620 teaching or an expert in is the early church. Talk about that. Maybe even just bridge from

00:13:49.660 the Bible. Some of the biblical examples are a little bit more well-known, but bridge from that

00:13:54.360 into the early church. Yeah. I mean, I'm excited about this conversation because even in a few

00:13:59.140 hours from now, I'll be doing a whole talk on why we need women in ministry and actually deals with

00:14:04.260 a lot of the same issues here. And that whole talk is designed to be an encouragement along

00:14:07.400 the same lines we're discussing here, which is that men and women need each other. And that is

00:14:11.960 what complementarianism is about, right? So some people take complementarianism as a way of saying,

00:14:16.480 let's separate men and women from each other in ministry. They don't really interact. I'm like,

00:14:20.800 well, no, it's the opposite. We fit together. We need each other. And that's true from the very

00:14:24.820 beginning. And it's true in the early church. As you noted, I've done a good bit of work on

00:14:30.180 particularly second century Christianity. And I was rather shocked in the academic space. You're

00:14:34.720 not shocked by many things, but I actually was, I thought I knew what was going on there. And I was

00:14:38.800 shocked by just how many women were popping up in the historical sources all over the place. 0.95

00:14:42.940 And in my talk this afternoon, I'll mention a bunch of them. But one example, you know, 0.99

00:14:47.660 in very early second century, as Christianity is spreading, some pagan governors, plenty of

00:14:52.280 the younger is really upset about Christianity spreading. He's looking to find a couple of 0.52

00:14:55.600 Christians to torture and find out what's really going on in these secret meetings. And we're told 0.96

00:14:59.380 in the historical record that it's two women he finds. It's just very fascinating that the two

00:15:03.680 people he picks to get more information about Christianity are women, because women were

00:15:07.040 flocking to it in great numbers. So I'll add something to that if I can, because I think

00:15:10.700 the familial analogy is such a great illustration of what we're talking about here. You mentioned,

00:15:15.420 Jen, you got a sort of a very prominent father and an absentee mother as an analogy of the church.

00:15:19.920 I would say there's another analogy you could use here is that we wouldn't want sort of normal

00:15:23.440 families to have two fathers and no mothers or two mothers and no fathers. In fact, we've been

00:15:28.960 seeing this in our society for years and we're like, no, no, families need both the father and

00:15:32.920 a mother to have the right balance and perspective. Well, that's also true in the church, right?

00:15:37.120 Because we're a big family. So whether it's a father that's prominent and a mother that's

00:15:42.780 absent, but also you don't want a church that's only fathers because you end up with another

00:15:47.180 imbalance there. So I think that familial analogy is key. We found this problem at the

00:15:51.160 seminary level at RTS. We realized that because seminary is mostly men, when we have a women's 0.71

00:15:57.740 only ministry at the seminary, it can sometimes even exacerbate the problem because they feel

00:16:01.860 even more isolated. So what we tried to do is do both. Allow them to have their opportunity to be

00:16:06.720 together for obvious reasons, but also make sure we're working really hard to bring the male and

00:16:11.080 female students together in spaces where they can interact with each other. And truthfully,

00:16:15.020 when you're training pastors, they need to know how to interact with women in their churches. If

00:16:19.080 you have a seminary environment that's supposed to train them and they're only interacting with

00:16:21.940 their other guys, that actually isn't a very good training ground for what the real world's going to

00:16:25.940 be when they get in their churches um jen you can come back late well let's talk about that right

00:16:31.860 now of what of cory's point of how do we go from how do we raise up and encourage other women

00:16:39.360 teachers and leaders so that alongside they're doing their jen wilkin studies they're also

00:16:45.920 learning themselves to teach and i know this is your heart hey real quick so wes is going to take

00:16:52.020 you've got some great thoughts um i you know i i have probably less great thoughts but i gotta

00:16:57.020 just say this for that though that was three clips strung together and for those clips i gotta say i

00:17:03.160 really appreciated it uh the quietness the quiet and gentle spirit that first peter talks about

00:17:08.540 yeah um the two men were talking uh their talking was terrible so i'm not really pleased with the

00:17:13.740 men but uh i didn't hear a word there were two women they were sitting there learning with all

00:17:18.680 submission learning the wrong things but they were quiet so my favorite thing i just want to 0.76

00:17:22.280 come out out of the gate my favorite thing about those three clips that were strung together 1.00

00:17:25.220 is um is not hearing jen wilkins speak i love that okay go ahead she does this vocal fry to 1.00

00:17:32.400 make her sound more masculine you may notice it if you listen to her on other things she literally 1.00

00:17:36.140 manipulates her voice to try to sound more authoritative because a woman's voice is 1.00

00:17:40.920 naturally not it doesn't have a gravitas to it does she speak real quick does she speak in the 0.99

00:17:45.920 next string of clips that we're going to show a little bit a little bit so you'll you'll probably

00:17:49.040 okay so then we yeah let's see we can maybe you know if you want to talk about that let's let's

00:17:52.460 do it once she's actually spoken um go ahead so didn't have time to obviously couldn't take the

00:17:57.220 whole 40 minutes to watch the full thing but here's the idea they're getting across and mike

00:18:00.460 i want to go to you too for some of this historical stuff that michael kruger talks about

00:18:03.860 they take this idea of the church as a family which it is which we can talk about in a second

00:18:08.260 they take this idea of the church's family and say there's a neglected category we have and

00:18:12.320 that's the category of the church mother. So the church has fathers. We would call them elders. We

00:18:17.180 would call them deacons that they teach and they labor, they protect, and they have responsibility.

00:18:21.260 But the argument that they're making there is if you have a family and it has a father that's doing

00:18:25.680 all these things, but it doesn't have a mother, then you're deficient. So Michael Jacob Reed talks

00:18:30.700 about this family analogy that we wouldn't want to have just two fathers, three fathers in a normal

00:18:35.600 family. That wouldn't be a normal family at all. We wouldn't want just fathers. We wouldn't want

00:18:39.140 just mothers, but we need these two together. The analogy, we are never given in scripture.

00:18:45.080 So God has instituted three spheres would be a way to talk about this. This would be Abraham

00:18:48.340 Kuyper, the home and the church and the state. And he's given fathers to each one of them. And

00:18:52.700 in each of those spheres, the father actually carries a sword. So he's symbolic of in the

00:18:57.920 state with the sword to avenge evildoers. He's symbolic of justice, of rigidity, of being

00:19:03.480 impartial. Same thing in the spiritual realm. The sword, which is the word of God, pierces,

00:19:08.300 it divides, it lays bare. So the father in all three spheres, he's given a sword. Now in the

00:19:14.320 home, we do have the role of the mother. Children obey, not just your father, obey your parents in

00:19:19.300 the Lord, your mother and your father that are given. But we never see, now there is some language

00:19:23.480 of the church's mother, which Michael can get to in a minute, but we never see in anywhere in

00:19:28.000 scripture, the idea of the role of mother given to either the state, so not in the state and not in

00:19:34.320 the church either. It's only in the home that we see that. And I think the reason for it is that

00:19:38.880 if a woman were to be put in the state and to take the role of mother, it would be a rigid and a cold 0.99

00:19:43.520 and a judicial role. It wouldn't be warm and affectionate the way the woman is inclined to be, 1.00

00:19:48.160 but it would be a role of executing justice. That's when we see when women are on the Supreme 1.00

00:19:51.960 Court or even other court positions that they tend towards leniency because God has made women to be 1.00

00:19:57.560 compassionate, to be forgiving, to be merciful. So those traits, they're good. It's good to be

00:20:03.700 compassionate and merciful and loving, but they're not suited for dealing out justice to a pedophile.

00:20:08.920 They're not suited for making law. They're suited for the home and the same way in the church.

00:20:14.320 Now, Paul does say, I can actually pull up a couple of verses here that are helpful.

00:20:18.480 Paul does speak highly of women in the church, but does he say they're mothers? Does he say

00:20:23.540 they're leaders? Romans 16 verses one, verse one, I commend to you our sister Phoebe, a servant

00:20:29.720 at the church at Kenesha Ray.

00:20:33.000 Philippians 4, 3,

00:20:34.720 I also ask you, true companions,

00:20:36.400 to help these women who have labored

00:20:37.800 side by side with me in the gospel together.

00:20:40.540 He calls them laborers, fellow workers,

00:20:42.960 whose names are in the book of life.

00:20:44.880 We even see in Acts when Apollos is this great teacher.

00:20:47.820 He's speaking boldly in the synagogue.

00:20:49.740 Priscilla and Aquila, who are assumed to be a man and a woman,

00:20:52.040 a husband and wife,

00:20:53.200 they take him aside and they begin to teach him.

00:20:55.560 None of that presupposes a woman teaching Sunday school

00:20:59.320 to a mixed audience teaching on say like a wednesday night leading a prayer meeting none of

00:21:05.300 that the point is is a church mother none of that is a role that is nowhere in scripture so they are

00:21:11.140 making up this fanciful idea of some role where this woman she can't teach on sunday morning

00:21:15.960 and she can't teach men because timothy says that but then in all these other spheres we'll let her

00:21:20.760 disciple and we'll let her lead and we'll let her teach and we'll let her do all these different

00:21:25.000 things and so that's what i really wanted to get across is home church state fathers given to each

00:21:30.060 one civil fathers spiritual fathers physical fathers mothers are a wonderful gift given to

00:21:35.320 the home though not to the church and not to the state yeah right well said who is it um it's

00:21:40.860 either junio or junius junian junius i think junius um so there's a text where paul says you

00:21:48.200 know um like i commend to you just like he said with phoebe you know i commend to you um uh junian

00:21:54.020 is that what you said oh junia junia yeah junia who is outstanding among the apostles yeah and

00:22:00.340 you know uh egalitarians have used that for a very long time to say uh look there were even

00:22:05.060 female apostles whereas like clearly uh what he's saying in that you know is um that she is held in

00:22:11.880 high regard she is viewed as outstanding by the apostles right she's considered outstanding among

00:22:18.120 the apostles. That is among the apostles, there is a view, a consensus of this woman as being an

00:22:26.240 outstanding Christian woman. She's not among them being an apostle herself. So there's been so many

00:22:31.800 different scriptures that have just been tweaked and stripped from context and clearly read the

00:22:37.720 wrong way. You know, like people saying that Phoebe is a deacon, you know, because Paul uses

00:22:42.440 the term deacon. But the problem with deacon, unlike the term elder, is that deacon in the

00:22:48.160 Greek, it literally means servant. The general term. Yeah. So every single faithful member in

00:22:52.660 the church is in some sort a deacon. That doesn't mean that they're an ordained officer of the

00:22:57.820 church. That doesn't mean they're ordained to the diaconate. So there's a difference in

00:23:01.820 capital D deacon as an ordained office of the church, like the seven men filled with the Holy

00:23:08.060 Spirit, you know, in Acts chapter six, that are going to actually be appointed. That's where you

00:23:13.280 get Philip, that's where you get Stephen appointed to the office of the diaconate. So not all are

00:23:19.800 going to be actually ordained officers as deacons in the formal sense, but all faithful Christians

00:23:26.400 belonging to a local church, as all faithful Christians should, will be deacons in the informal

00:23:31.680 sense. They will be servants of the church. Of course they will. And so whenever we get to some

00:23:37.540 of these texts. And that's the, you know, Luther said, you know, whenever, you know, the only

00:23:41.540 infallible, you know, interpreter of Scripture is Scripture. And whenever we get to a, what seems to

00:23:48.000 us to be a more difficult passage of Scripture, right? So the perspicuity of Scripture, perspicuity

00:23:52.500 is just an unclear word that means clear. And so, you know, so the clarity of Scripture,

00:23:57.540 perspicuity of Scripture, when we uphold that view of the Scripture, which we do,

00:24:03.160 um that doesn't mean that all scripture is equally clear there are some texts that are

00:24:08.160 more difficult to exegete than others undoubtedly um but the only infallible interpreter of scripture

00:24:13.800 is more scripture so when we're in a text that is clear but um albeit less clear than other texts

00:24:21.200 then we go to the more clear text in order to interpret it so if we're looking at um well was

00:24:27.380 Junius really an apostle? Okay, well, let's look at all the other texts of Scripture that are

00:24:34.180 abundantly, you know, crystal clear about, you know, can a woman, is a woman an elder? Let's

00:24:40.320 look at what Paul says in 1 Timothy 2, right? Do apostles teach the Word of God to both men and

00:24:45.200 women? Yes, you bet. And this is where people get, and I don't want to give it to them. If this was,

00:24:53.220 you know, 20 years ago and we were talking to, you know, if this was a group, if Gospel Coalition

00:24:57.460 was just starting out and this was a group of, you know, 20-somethings, you know, like it was

00:25:02.560 four teenagers sitting around a table doing a Bible study together with a webcam, like, you

00:25:06.780 know, like what you said earlier, then sure, then like I could, but they know better. It's been,

00:25:11.620 they've been on this path for 20 years and they've only gotten worse. And so the same thing that I

00:25:18.340 did with the word deacon, you can do the same thing with the word apostle. Well, apostle, you

00:25:22.160 You know, it just technically just means errander. 0.77

00:25:25.680 And so a woman who is, you know, just bringing, you know, anybody who's an apostle, if they're taking a message,

00:25:32.860 when, you know, the women who saw Jesus first after his resurrection, they went and told the disciples.

00:25:40.280 So they're going to tell the disciples who will be apostles, they're going and telling the apostles.

00:25:45.280 but by going on this errand sent by Jesus to go, and he says, and go and tell Peter also.

00:25:51.920 So they've been commissioned and sent by Jesus to go and tell the apostles.

00:25:56.760 And what is an apostle in its basic form of definition is nothing but simply an errander,

00:26:02.320 someone who is sent with a message, sent on an errand.

00:26:05.200 And so they've been sent by Jesus to the apostles.

00:26:07.940 So they are apostles to the apostles.

00:26:10.680 Not only are they now included among the apostles, they're the apostles squared. 1.00

00:26:15.280 exactly um like you can get cute all day long um but that's that's stupid jesus sent women to go 0.98

00:26:22.680 tell uh the actual capital a apostles of jesus christ commissioned by him with ecclesiastical 0.98

00:26:28.960 authority to send uh to tell them that he is risen and and that that was it that was that was

00:26:35.560 their errand uh that doesn't mean that they never shared their faith with their children or with any

00:26:40.360 other women in the local assembly or did the work of an evangelist with other women in the

00:26:45.640 marketplace throughout the course of their life. I'm sure they did all those things. That's what

00:26:48.980 Christians do. But they did not bear an ecclesiastical formal ordained office. They're

00:26:54.140 not apostles. And the fact that the people got cute with that with church planting back in the

00:26:59.000 day. Well, a church planter is a lowercase apostle because that's what a church planter is. He's

00:27:04.000 going on anytime someone is sent out an apostle is one who is sent out an eritor and so uh church

00:27:10.460 so we do have modern day apostles today no we don't no we don't i understand um but sometimes

00:27:16.640 being technical um being um overly technical is actually a way not of gaining more clarity

00:27:23.200 but it's it's an intentional and even deceitful way of losing clarity of obscuring clarity and

00:27:29.540 it's not helpful. So Phoebe is a lowercase d deacon, meaning simply she's a faithful Christian

00:27:35.700 who serves the church like all faithful Christians do. And Junius is outstanding among the apostles,

00:27:42.080 capital A, apostles of Christ, who were men exclusively. That means that they viewed her

00:27:47.280 as having a reputation of being an outstanding Christian. She's not among them. And church

00:27:52.580 planters are those who are sent out, not by Christ, not commissioned by Christ himself,

00:27:59.360 eye and ear witnesses of the resurrected Lord, but they are lowercase a apostles of the church.

00:28:04.540 A pre-existing church sends them out to plant a new church. And because that's a lowercase a

00:28:11.700 apostle of the church and not a capital A apostle of Christ, another helpful term to not muddy the 0.96

00:28:19.820 waters so that we're saying apostle here and apostle there is just call him a freaking church

00:28:23.920 planter and stop saying apostle right so just wanted to get those things clear i think that's

00:28:28.860 helpful to not get cute some people are confused but my final point some people are confused

00:28:33.580 these four are not right exactly go ahead we just do this funny business with director too have you

00:28:38.420 noticed that not we our church but other churches yeah so instead of what they would call like

00:28:42.560 board of directors or the worship pastor because it's a woman the director on the title i did that

00:28:47.160 back in my acts 29 days board of directors to my shame right well she's not an elder she's just on

00:28:51.320 the board of directors right you know as if that's somehow so magically different right yeah but tell

00:28:55.340 us a little bit so he mentioned some historical examples there's this idea of church's mother

00:28:59.000 paul says in galatians i don't know it's a little embarrassing that he said he was surprised

00:29:04.640 shocked to go back to the historical record and find examples of women being mentioned in church

00:29:11.200 history. I have taken one introduction to church history class. One. And I know that women are

00:29:20.300 mentioned all over church history as faithful, precious servants of the Lord. I know that women

00:29:26.000 were martyred for their faith and testified solidly and faithfully all the way through to

00:29:31.920 their death. I know that there are women who are incredible servants of the church. I even know

00:29:36.480 the verse that he mentions later on in act 16 where paul mentions it's act 16 13 he says

00:29:43.540 greet rufus chosen in the lord also his mother who has been a mother and we could stop there

00:29:50.440 but we could finish the verse too which says who has been a mother to me as well so even paul was

00:29:56.900 ministered to by the mother of rufus in a special nurturing motherly way so for him to look back at

00:30:04.400 church history and say, I'm shocked all of a sudden to find that there were women mentioned

00:30:09.300 throughout church history as important contributors to the life of the church, that is disingenuous.

00:30:15.720 You cannot be the president of a Reformed seminary and say, I had no idea. This is all

00:30:20.440 brand new information to me. You're telling me this for the first time. Wow, I didn't know that.

00:30:25.880 But the other thing that they do is they play fast and loose with the word, which we were just

00:30:31.740 talking about definitions ministry which ministry is another word that just means service and so to

00:30:37.440 say that women's ministry in the history of the church has been valuable and important of course

00:30:43.980 of course no doubt like like obviously all we're saying is a women's service to the church is

00:30:52.040 valuable and important well yes they're part of the church the body needs all of its parts

00:30:57.060 right like like it needs everything it needs every gift it needs all of the the ways that god

00:31:02.500 gifted spiritually people men and women it needs the all of those contributions um there's an

00:31:09.920 interesting quote from uh spurgeon here and here he's talking about the church as mother

00:31:14.320 which i think i don't know how far we'll go down that road but he says the church is a mother

00:31:19.200 because it is her privilege to bring forth into the world the spiritual children of the lord jesus

00:31:24.380 christ who remember christ is the head but he's the bridegroom the husband and the church is the

00:31:31.740 bride um which by the way if we were to be consistent with how they apply analogies we all

00:31:36.620 need to identify as brides too like it's just it's just silly there's no head of the church

00:31:40.760 there's no mothers in anyway the church is left in the world still that she may bring out the rest 0.81

00:31:45.680 of god's elect that are all hidden in the caverns and strongholds of sin he who hath taken the church

00:31:51.740 to be his spouse and his bride, that is Christ, has chosen to bring men to himself by means.

00:31:57.380 And thus it is through God's using the church, her ministers, her children, her works, her

00:32:02.600 sufferings, her prayers, through making these the means of the increase of his spiritual

00:32:07.500 kingdom.

00:32:09.140 I look at that last list.

00:32:11.120 God uses the church, her children, her works, her sufferings, and her prayers.

00:32:16.320 and he uses those things, works, sufferings, and prayers, also ministers, to bring the increase of

00:32:23.200 his spiritual kingdom. Well, of course women are praying. Of course they're doing spiritual works.

00:32:29.640 Of course they are suffering for the gospel and for their faith, right? The role, the ministry

00:32:35.500 of women is vital. Of course, no one is saying that, but when they say that that use of ministry

00:32:42.840 in history means that we need positioned women who are given an office, who have a salary and

00:32:50.220 a delegated authority. That is, I mean, that's not even just like you said, being wrong about 1.00

00:32:55.780 a definition. They're doing a bait and switch there. It's deceitful. Yeah. I'm going to read,

00:33:00.940 this is from Zachary Garris, Honor Thy Fathers, put out by New Christendom Press. Really great

00:33:05.420 book. But Calvin says this in a sermon on 1 Timothy 6. He says, if a woman were to spend

00:33:10.220 all day long in church praying and chanting her style of life would not be as agreeable to god

00:33:15.300 as if she were a wife who patiently performed her duties feeding her children caring for them

00:33:20.140 guiding them and doing all she could to teach and to train them so in our reformed protestant

00:33:24.760 history wilkins hardest hit right there hardest hit calvin's like all day long praying chanting

00:33:30.560 we could fill in there some of the things they're talking about discipleship teaching like none of

00:33:34.780 that would be as agreeable to god as if she did her role in the home notice calvin doesn't even

00:33:39.460 say like discipling or teaching Sunday school. That would be unthinkable. That would literally

00:33:44.160 be unthinkable, not just for Calvin, but everyone in that time period. Exactly. So like he's saying,

00:33:49.940 even if a woman was in the church, the context of the church all the time, doing things that a woman

00:33:55.700 actually can do, like praying and chanting, or maybe fasting. Like I think of the prophetess

00:34:03.840 who is waiting in the temple for Jesus to be born, Anna, and spends her whole life, you know,

00:34:09.100 like waiting for this messianic promise to finally be fulfilled and is fasting and praying for years

00:34:13.940 and years and years. That's actually something that a woman can do. And did that please the Lord?

00:34:17.400 Yes, she was specifically called to it. It is not normative for women. It is not normative.

00:34:22.860 Not only is it very unique for individuals, but it was also unique to that time, namely the time

00:34:30.080 in history when the Christ was being birthed into the world. We're not in that time. That time has

00:34:35.080 come. It's gone. Spoiler alert if you haven't read the Bible. That happened like 2,000 years

00:34:39.760 ago. And so we're not in that time. So what Calvin is saying is that even if a woman was doing the

00:34:44.380 things that are available and permissible by God and Holy Scripture to do within the context of 0.90

00:34:50.060 the church, even that would be less pleasing to the Lord than her spending the vast majority of

00:34:56.700 her time at home with her children. And how do we know that? The Bible, that's what Titus 2 is so

00:35:03.920 clear. When Titus 2 explains, so it's like, but we need, what about older women discipling younger 0.98

00:35:10.680 women? Gosh, if I had, that one frustrates me a lot. I'm not going to reach for it. I want to

00:35:18.360 reach for the King Jimmy back there, but let me just pull this up. So this is Titus chapter 2.

00:35:26.520 I've got it.

00:35:27.180 I've got it.

00:35:27.760 I've got it.

00:35:28.240 I can do this.

00:35:28.700 I can get it for you on King James right here.

00:35:32.560 Well, it's not even so much.

00:35:34.180 The translation is great.

00:35:35.220 I love the King James, but it's more so to have that leather-bound Bible.

00:35:39.380 It's a good look.

00:35:40.540 A lot better than an iPad.

00:35:42.560 Here we go.

00:35:45.060 So to love.

00:35:47.940 But speak thou the things which become sound doctrine,

00:35:51.460 that the aged men be sober, grave, temperate, sound in faith,

00:35:55.400 and charity and patience, the aged women. Here we go. This is verse three, Titus two, verse three,

00:36:00.280 the aged women, older women, likewise, that they be in behavior as becometh holiness,

00:36:06.180 not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of the good things that they may teach

00:36:12.140 the young women. Now here's the deal. Everybody wants to say within the complementarian reform

00:36:17.620 crowd, they want to say, okay, yeah, so women can't teach men. We get that. And a woman can't 0.99

00:36:21.420 be an elder, and she can't preach on the Lord's Day. But who's going to teach the younger women? 1.00

00:36:27.880 That's what, you know, like, I mean, surely, you know, that can't happen in the context of the 0.99

00:36:33.160 Lord's Day and the public preaching of the Word of God from biblically qualified men. 0.99

00:36:37.420 Obviously, it can. That's exactly how it happens. You know, or, you know, who can teach women? Also,

00:36:43.640 their husbands at home, if you have any questions. So sit next to your husband in the pew and listen

00:36:48.960 to biblically qualified men preach the word of God week in and week out. And if you have any

00:36:52.920 questions, ask your husbands at home so that they can disciple you. If your husband can't answer the

00:36:58.800 question, then by way of implication, what the text is saying, well, now it's no longer just your

00:37:02.460 question. It becomes his question. And so now you're going with him or he may just go on your

00:37:06.760 behalf. And that should be totally appropriate and totally fine because the heart of a godly woman

00:37:10.560 trusts her husband and she is her head. So now he's going with what has now become because he

00:37:16.360 didn't have the answer but he cares for his wife now it's his question he goes to the elders and

00:37:19.960 ask that question the question gets answered he comes back to his wife uh answers that questions

00:37:24.340 and and and the point is uh she is getting um there's nothing that he is learning about the

00:37:30.700 lord and the things of god and sound doctrine uh that is unavailable to her right right because

00:37:35.460 they're both learning in the context of the church right not all these sub midweek um subsets of the

00:37:42.200 church, all these little factions and little midweek ministries. That's a misnomer. You don't

00:37:48.780 find that. That's just not how it works. It's the public preaching of the Word of God by

00:37:55.220 biblically qualified men. However, throughout the week, there is one description that we have in

00:38:01.360 Scripture of women training women. But with this, it says that they may teach the young women. And

00:38:08.700 we want to say, so this means Jen Wilkin doing a women's conference with 500 people. No, that they

00:38:14.360 may teach the young women to what? The curriculum is there. It's not just teach young women, period,

00:38:20.020 in a general sense, teaching them theology proper, teaching, you know, like doctrine of God, the

00:38:25.420 Trinity, the hypostatic union, and teaching them, you know, the doctrines of grace. And like, no,

00:38:30.000 no, where are they going to learn about theology proper and doctrine of God and the doctrines of

00:38:34.000 grace and where are they going to learn these things with their husbands from their pastors

00:38:38.240 the same place that the men are learning that's where they're going to learn and if and if they're

00:38:42.480 not catching something that their husband's catching they ask their husband if he didn't

00:38:45.940 catch it either they ask the male pastors that's where they learn so what are the things that

00:38:50.840 older women are teaching younger women it's not theology in the abstract it's not theology proper

00:38:56.880 it's not how to how to do expositional studies that's not it it's teaching them the things

00:39:01.980 the only things, vitally important things, but the only things that men are not able to teach

00:39:08.280 them. And what are those things? That they may teach the young women. This is Titus 2, verse 4.

00:39:12.700 Teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children, to be discreet, 1.00

00:39:20.040 chaste, keepers at home. Go home, Beth Moore. Keepers at home. Good, obedient to their own 1.00

00:39:28.160 husbands obedient, it's a great word, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God may not

00:39:34.580 be blasphemed. And the last thing I want to say is this, the complementarian gospel coalition

00:39:40.440 joke of a reformed church crowd, what they often will outright say, or at least at minimum imply,

00:39:47.980 is that one of the reasons that they're trying to be so careful and so affirming towards women

00:39:52.740 and their rhetoric and their language and making sure that we're not taking anything away from

00:39:58.060 women that the scripture doesn't clearly you know command to take away is uh what they'll say all

00:40:02.340 the time is uh because we don't want the church to be reviled to be reviled as misogynist to be 0.95

00:40:09.780 reviled as hating women that's right um that's the opposite of what holy scripture says that's

00:40:14.740 right what paul says is older women the only thing they should be teaching women at all is how to

00:40:20.420 obey their husbands how to stay at home keep the home how to not be drunkards how to be lovers of

00:40:27.980 children and not feminists that hate children, and you do all that so that the Word of God would

00:40:35.560 not be reviled. He doesn't say that older women should be doing women's conferences, teaching

00:40:42.200 expositionally through the book of Ephesians, so the Word of God is not reviled. No, he says

00:40:47.640 older women, if they teach anything at all, it's not on the Lord's Day, it's not on the conference 1.00

00:40:52.680 circuit, it's Monday through Saturday with younger women, and it's teaching them to stay 0.94

00:40:57.180 home, obey their husbands, love their children, and that that's what would keep the Word of God 0.86

00:41:03.240 from being revived. I want to add one thing there, because I don't disagree with a single

00:41:09.080 word you said, but some people will hear that, and they'll say, well, there's no spiritual component

00:41:13.700 then to a woman's discipleship? Well, no, of course. When an older woman is commanded to

00:41:19.820 teach a younger woman to be chaste, obviously it's in fear of the Lord, right? So obviously 0.96

00:41:25.380 the doctrines that she's learning from her pastor and her husband about the holiness of God and how

00:41:31.460 he never breaks his promises and how we can trust him like that, that works into a woman's care of

00:41:36.540 her household. And an older woman ought to encourage a younger woman who, you know, is stressed because

00:41:43.260 her husband lost her job. Don't despair. The Lord is faithful. Keep doing your role as a woman. Don't

00:41:48.500 go out and do this or that. Yes. Yes. Fear. Yes. Chapter two, verse 15 literally says, but women

00:41:54.400 will be saved through childbearing if they continue with faith and hope and love and

00:41:59.480 with propriety.

00:42:01.460 So meaning what?

00:42:02.280 When a woman is fearful because part of the curse is that their pains have been greatly

00:42:06.580 increased in childbearing, or when she's hemorrhaging blood, like a woman in our church was just

00:42:12.780 this last week, and we're as a church gathering around and not physically, we're giving some

00:42:17.920 space, but we are spiritually gathering around and sounding the alarm, church, it's time

00:42:22.320 to pray, you know, and asking the husband, is there anything we can do? And like bringing them

00:42:25.640 dinner and these kinds of things. She is being encouraged by other women in our church to not

00:42:31.720 just love your children, but love your children and love the Lord and be fearless in this moment.

00:42:38.060 You will be saved through childbearing. If you continue with faithful, childbearing was a

00:42:43.480 horrifying, terrifying thing, especially for the first century and most of the world until very 0.99

00:42:49.680 modern times many children died in childbearing many women died in childbearing and or also like

00:42:56.880 first peter i believe it's uh chapter three where um he says you know that that uh sarah called her

00:43:03.340 husband lord lowercase l lord not the lord but a lord sire sir a sign of respect and that this is

00:43:12.120 commended she's not made fun of by this she's commended and you likewise are her daughters

00:43:17.720 If you follow her example, and it goes on, it says, and are not frightened, fearful of anything.

00:43:24.620 One of the constant commands, so not being afraid of childbearing, but rather trusting with faith that you'll be saved through childbearing.

00:43:31.980 That's 1 Timothy 2.

00:43:34.020 Or in 1 Peter 3, not fear anything that is frightening.

00:43:37.540 Well, one of the things that's frightening is being called by God in Titus chapter 2 to be obedient to a fallible man who is a sinner in a fallen world where things go wrong. 0.72

00:43:48.600 And so as older women are teaching women to obey their husbands and to be lovers of children, when those children are at times difficult, 0.71

00:43:57.660 is they're teaching them to do these things and they're teaching them as they are commanded to

00:44:03.840 do these things to rely upon all the promises of scripture in the gospel it's theology applied

00:44:09.580 it's the whole podcast but here's the deal theology does not apply in a generic one one

00:44:17.420 size fits all across the board for everyone that's not the way theology works theology is the same

00:44:22.720 book, the same 66 Holy Spirit-inspired books of the Bible. That's the theology. That's the source

00:44:28.520 of our doctrine. But that theology then applies in different ways, given our, in God's providence,

00:44:35.380 our station in life. And that includes our gender. That includes our age. Are you children? Well,

00:44:41.680 theology for you applies, all these promises in Scripture apply to you, to obey your parents.

00:44:46.800 Are you fathers? Well, it's going to apply a different way for you. Are you mothers? It

00:44:50.800 applies a different way. Are you officers in the church? Are you members in the church? Are you

00:44:55.020 civil magistrates in Romans 13? Are you citizens? At every single level, are you masters? Are you

00:45:02.080 slaves? That's Ephesians 6. Read Ephesians 6. The whole thing is basically saying, okay, so up until

00:45:08.380 this point, we've had five chapters and I've taught you all these principles, and now I'm going to give

00:45:12.640 some very specific practical application. And guess what? The practical application varies.

00:45:19.640 given your station of life. Fathers this way, mothers that way, parents this way, children that

00:45:25.440 way, masters this way, slaves that way. What they're trying to do in this video, and we'll see

00:45:31.040 even more in the next clip, and Wes has some great things to say about it, but what they're trying to

00:45:34.560 do is steamroll and completely flatten out God's good design. They're trying to take something

00:45:40.480 that's varied, it's multifaceted, and that God calls exceedingly good and beautiful and hate it

00:45:48.700 and say what you have designed and called good and beautiful, we hate and we're going to destroy.

00:45:54.320 We're going to steamroll it in to a one-size-fits-all, no more distinctions, no more hierarchy, no more variance, no more beauty.

00:46:03.560 It's all one.

00:46:04.900 It's the same thing that they do with race.

00:46:06.720 Well, there's just one race, the human race, you know, and I get it.

00:46:10.380 I, you know, I was alive in 2020 also, right?

00:46:14.300 I said it, right?

00:46:15.860 That's what you did in 2020.

00:46:17.280 You came out against BLM.

00:46:18.740 You said there's just one race, the human race.

00:46:20.620 Well, yeah, but there are different nations.

00:46:24.280 And Michael, I want to plug him for a second.

00:46:26.760 Michael just finished writing an entire book, like 400-page book, on this question.

00:46:32.440 This is huge, right? 0.96

00:46:33.680 What is a woman? 0.97

00:46:34.400 That's an important question.

00:46:36.160 Matt Walsh, Doppelganger, thank you for that documentary.

00:46:40.700 But Michael just wrote a super important book, What is a Nation?

00:46:44.640 What is a Nation?

00:46:45.640 because we really don't know right because because americans were so afraid of being called racist

00:46:50.720 like we we then it's just a set of propositions or it's just an economic zone or elon musk god

00:46:56.300 bless him the man of destiny you know i'm i'm i'm rooting for him but he's got some still he's come

00:47:01.000 a long way but he's got some major problems like just the other day he tweeted out and said uh he

00:47:05.880 compared america literally to like a football team and said that you can just put on the jersey he's

00:47:10.760 still using that rhetoric that rhinos you know will use it like we uh we gotta stop illegal

00:47:15.020 immigration and we need far more legal immigration and it's like no no we don't that doesn't mean we

00:47:22.720 can't ever have any immigration but we've taken on 20 million people in the last three and a half

00:47:27.720 years let's take a breather let's the first millions of deportations right millions of

00:47:34.480 deportations and then let's just breathe for a second let's wait a moment and then what we're

00:47:40.640 eventually going to have to do and this is a biblical principle did you know it took three

00:47:44.560 generations right so here's your general equity theonomy three generations to be fully assimilated

00:47:49.260 into israel and be able to worship have full rights as a citizen and worship in the temple

00:47:55.040 and that applied not to all the nations equally there were some nations that if they immigrated 0.99

00:48:00.780 into israel they would say i'm sorry but you got to wait 10 generations why because you suck your 0.98

00:48:07.620 nation sucks uh because you were um you hated our nation in the past and that history still stands 0.99

00:48:15.660 you were um um filled with hatred towards the lord yahweh and towards his people israel and so 0.99

00:48:23.060 you got to wait 10 generations so so what would i say first deport millions second um let's wait

00:48:28.920 decades i think it needs to be maybe centuries but at least decades at least decades and then

00:48:35.500 then we need to look and say okay who's christian right that's first second is going to be and who's

00:48:42.000 then uh further beyond the religion i'm not saying that's not first but it's not only see this is the

00:48:47.880 thing where even the theonomists i love you i love you i am a general equity theonomist but you get 0.86

00:48:53.240 a little globo homo here you do you turn into rhinos reformed in name only uh you know you 0.98

00:49:00.560 if you were being consistent you would have to say yeah we actually kind of hate rush duty 0.97

00:49:04.980 rush duty was based rush duty was based that guy read what he says about israel

00:49:12.140 read what he says about kinism read what he says about some marriage yeah that dude he was further

00:49:18.240 than i am holocaust numbers too holocaust numbers that dude denied he denied him some holocaust

00:49:23.080 rush duny so like you read rush duny on the jewish question you read him on on uh race and

00:49:29.640 all these kinds of things uh rush duny i just want to publicly say admire him appreciate him

00:49:34.600 and he is multiple clicks to my right right to my right and the theonomists want to disown me

00:49:40.800 but love rush duny i i am um i am a squishy moderate compared to rj rush duny so all that

00:49:49.760 being said my point is um back to you know uh assimilating to israel three generations some

00:49:54.640 so you're gonna have to look at first religion are you a christian whenever we do start to do

00:49:59.040 some mitigated reasonable immigration in the future and then secondly you're gonna have to

00:50:03.480 look beyond that and look at cultures customs history not just who loves christ it's not a

00:50:08.860 loved enough to loving christ is not that is not enough to earn you a a um a uh inherent right

00:50:18.700 to be able to be an american citizen right no i can't go to any nation say i love jesus i demand 0.97

00:50:25.700 dual citizenship no that's stupid the bible doesn't affirm that you've got to love america 0.75

00:50:32.180 you've got to love our history there's got to be some sense of like ruth saying your people are my 0.99

00:50:37.140 people not just your god is my god notice it's not just your god is my god your people are my 0.78

00:50:41.680 people and in that she is disowning the moabites disowning her foreign gods and her fathers and 0.89

00:50:48.800 recognizing i don't want to be a part of this so here's the deal first you got to be a christian 0.91

00:50:52.380 second there also has to be the sense of of you being able to say i love america there's cultures

00:50:58.200 and customs that are complementary um that line up and then what that means is we're going to look

00:51:02.580 at certain nations we're going to say if you're coming from england um okay you uh we're going

00:51:08.400 to take this number annually and no more and when you get here you can have full citizenship rights

00:51:14.480 you can live here have a green card these kinds of things and you can eventually vote in our 1.00

00:51:18.360 elections on the third generation you're coming from haiti we're going to take far less of you 1.00

00:51:23.140 and for the foreseeable future zero right but then far less in fact we're going to do reverse 0.76

00:51:28.760 immigration you guys are going to be taking about 500 000 back but eventually one day um we'll take

00:51:34.620 far less of you and uh for you guys it's going to be 10 generations that's your general equity

00:51:40.240 theonomy i think that's i think rush duney would love that i think he's smiling from heaven looking

00:51:44.280 down right now saying that's my boy i love that that's a great idea uh and why people will say

00:51:48.460 well well haiti is christian right i got some of this feedback recently they'll say well haiti is

00:51:52.660 christian and michael you said this really well um it's one island separated down the middle you've

00:51:58.040 got the dr the dominican republic on one side haiti on the other what's the big difference

00:52:01.540 the dominican republic was colonized and it's not bad colonized by protestants yep the reform

00:52:08.040 tradition and then you have haiti that's colonized by catholics and what the roman catholics chose

00:52:14.220 deliberately to do was to syncretize instead of tearing like josiah all the high places down and 0.81

00:52:19.720 saying i'm sorry uh the cannibalism must stop i'm sorry the voodoo has to stop i'm sorry uh the

00:52:26.740 animal sacrifices, all these things. No, instead, they synchronized. The Roman Catholics,

00:52:31.840 common Roman Catholic ale, they syncretized and said, you can keep your voodoo, but it needs to

00:52:37.060 be syncretized within Christianity. And Christ needs to have a place in your pantheon of your

00:52:44.420 weird cat-eating and sadly people-eating voodoo garbage religion. And so what do you get a couple 0.99

00:52:53.480 hundred years later uh dominican republic it's not first world right but it's developing world

00:52:58.220 yeah and it's light years better than haiti yep and then you've got haiti on the other side so

00:53:02.740 when people say oh joel you know well i thought you were theonomous and and they're 93 percent

00:53:07.140 christian okay let's just be accurate about that 93 percent christian what does that mean roman

00:53:12.400 catholic christian what kind of roman catholic roman catholic synchronized with voodoo christian

00:53:17.060 right okay so all this being said the point is gender matters economics matter master slave

00:53:24.420 matters age matters are you a father are you a mother are you a child um and and race and

00:53:32.200 nationality and countries all this matters and god doesn't make it go away the gospel doesn't

00:53:38.960 make it go away you have to talk about it you need to talk about it in loving ways in biblical ways

00:53:44.200 but but it is a thing and anybody who tries to make it go away is um they are waging war against

00:53:51.380 nature itself and by waging war against nature they're ultimately waging war against god

00:53:55.740 and uh and they may be a christian they may even be reformed they may even be hashtag that post

00:54:01.500 mail they may even be hashtag theonomic um but they're squishy they're squishy and and it may

00:54:08.200 not be intentional but they are uh they've lost the threat they've lost the threat and people ask

00:54:13.040 why are you talking to steven wolf and why are you like um read andrew sandlin and then read

00:54:19.120 steven wolf right there's your answer um if theonomy is perfectly compatible with liz chaining

00:54:28.020 then i guess i'm not a theonomist anymore and so far from what i'm seeing from guys like andrew

00:54:33.800 sandlin it is yeah theonomy just means basically your uh ship all the jobs overseas pennies on

00:54:41.640 the dollar uh so the gdp can keep going up my daughter can be a police officer and uh and we're

00:54:48.440 good to go that was not rush duny's theonomy okay that's my spirit well the next set of clips i

00:54:53.980 really highlights it let's hit our first commercial break then we'll come back and show some more

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00:57:20.000 yourself in the Word. All right, Joel asked me to add one addendum onto the unscheduled rabbit

00:57:30.160 trail. Yeah, those are always the best. We're talking about race and nations. Come on, it's

00:57:34.040 Wednesday. You know at some point we gotta mention it. So there's a perceived problem if you call

00:57:39.260 yourself a genuine general equity theonomist, and that is that a lot of theonomists have looked at

00:57:45.860 the Old Testament, and they've looked at Israel's basically immigration laws. And it was in pretty

00:57:52.140 much no uncertain terms commanded that if a sojourner wanted to come to Israel, Israel was

00:57:57.120 required to import them, assimilate them. And yes, everything Joel said about assimilation, 0.57

00:58:03.320 certain time periods, that's all true. But they were not given an option to say no, really. I mean, 0.94

00:58:07.800 they were required to do that. Welcome the sojourner, the stranger, the foreigner, without 1.00

00:58:13.180 exception. Now, here is one thing that's not talked about very often, and that is, in the Old

00:58:19.140 Covenant, the only place—and you see this when Jesus talks to the Samaritan woman in John 4—she

00:58:24.660 is really perturbed that the place to go and worship God, the Lord, is in Jerusalem. And she

00:58:33.080 said, we have our own mountain, but you guys keep saying it's your mountain only. Why should we have

00:58:37.740 to go all the way down there to worship? Well, the fact is, God set it up so that if you wanted

00:58:42.400 to truly participate in the full worship of God with the temple sacrifices, which was the way to

00:58:49.100 atone for sin in the Old Testament, to truly worship God in the proper way that God had 0.98

00:58:54.100 prescribed, you had to go to Israel. And so in a sense, the sojourner who's coming and moving to 0.67

00:59:00.820 Israel, it doesn't quite say it, and it's probably not everyone. There were probably some people who

00:59:04.560 moved there for economic opportunity, things like that, but they were coming in large part because

00:59:08.840 they were wanting to worship the true God. Right. They were converting. Their coming was converting.

00:59:13.600 Their coming was converting. Whereas conversion does not require coming any longer. Correct. And

00:59:18.020 that's the point. So in the new covenant, there is not one way, one place to worship God. There's

00:59:23.100 one way to worship God. Jesus says this to the woman. He said, the time is coming when you won't 0.98

00:59:26.800 worship on this mountain or that mountain. That's right. But God is a spirit. This mountain or the

00:59:30.740 temple. Yes, or the temple. He's worshiped in spirit and truth. And so the great commission,

00:59:34.560 the new covenant, it reverses the kind of immigration pattern in the Old Testament,

00:59:41.700 where now the people of God, they send missionaries and they go and they make disciples of all nations

00:59:47.080 so that in every nation there is the knowledge of God and true worship of God. And it's not

00:59:54.040 required anymore that people come to the nation of Israel in order to convert and worship the

00:59:59.340 true God, but rather the church is going to take the gospel to the nations and they are going to

01:00:03.300 become christian nations right yeah amen well said uh real quick subscribe uh i never say that

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01:01:23.160 commentary we're gonna just be you know we'll probably invite on some guests i'll i don't know

01:01:26.800 uh uh william wolf would come on yeah for sure um i'm trying to think i we could get a lot of

01:01:34.640 guys that andrew and cj would come on um who else could we get harris harris might be doing it

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01:01:46.240 uh live show during the election election night so that's gonna be tuesday november 5th like 8

01:01:51.280 p.m or so eastern so set here set your calendar get ready join us bye yeah grab a beverage for

01:01:56.560 sure yeah it'll be a rough one it's gonna be a rough one all right we're gonna play this section

01:02:00.620 of clips i want you to hold in mind what joel was just talking about when we make discipleship

01:02:04.920 very abstract very universal very androgynous hold that in your mind we just talked about

01:02:10.900 and let's watch this next section of clips here's a practical example that i that i don't really

01:02:16.400 know how to deal with um or just how i should handle it um i've been an elder for a long time

01:02:21.680 in a large church and I would say often about two-thirds of the women, large numbers of new

01:02:29.500 members who are coming in are young single women. What does it look like for me to shepherd them?

01:02:38.800 What does that look like? I know it's probably different from how I would be shepherding

01:02:42.700 a 23-year-old man in some ways by necessity. I think it would have to be different in some ways.

01:02:47.680 How? Corey and I would like to know how.

01:02:48.700 Well, I don't really know.

01:02:50.820 Are you going on camp outs with a 23-year-old?

01:02:53.480 Well, I mean, I would be on a men's retreat, and I would get a chance on a men's retreat to have focused time that I wouldn't have.

01:03:01.820 I don't have a lot of focused time in general with your average 23-year-old male, but I would have something like that in a men's ministry context where I could do that.

01:03:11.020 So that's why I'm wondering, what does it look like otherwise to do that?

01:03:14.760 actually that's one of the key things i think is missing in the whole conversation is that when

01:03:18.380 lots of times when pastors think about disciplining a woman in their church and they're like i don't

01:03:21.820 know if i should do that part of the reason they make that is because they assume that the topic

01:03:25.860 has to be about womanhood or about female stuff or about things like that and this is one of the

01:03:30.480 things i that i don't get that paradigm problem yeah why wouldn't you just talk to them about

01:03:34.360 jesus and the gospel and the word and biblical theology and sound doctrine and basic discipleship

01:03:39.600 categories so it seems like there's there's a sense in which when a pastor pastors a male he

01:03:44.120 thinks in theological categories when he moves over to passionate female he thinks oh and now

01:03:48.540 it's relational categories and I don't I'm not equipped for that so I just do the males and I

01:03:52.840 don't do the women I think that's itself the problem is that why would we assume that women

01:03:55.940 don't need those same categories and I think that's exactly maybe what you were describing

01:04:00.060 is that you got the benefit of someone who just wanted to talk to you about the gospel

01:04:03.020 you know which is like wow how about that I mean that seems like an obvious thing I think Mike it's

01:04:07.120 also because we're professors meaning that there are certain people gravitate toward us and I think

01:04:13.860 if the local church can't reclaim the beauty of male-female interaction along appropriate lines,

01:04:19.080 what hope does the culture have? And we also cannot turn a blind eye to the fact that two 0.92

01:04:25.980 men meeting alone can be every bit as inappropriate as a man and a woman meeting alone. We should say 0.82

01:04:32.100 that. I don't think women should have to carry this burden around all the time that we're a 0.91

01:04:37.460 particular risk category when it comes to relationship forming. That's a good clip right 1.00

01:04:43.560 There. And there are all sorts of other ways where it can go wrong, not just with an older man, with a younger woman, all sorts of different.

01:04:50.240 People are crazy as well. Yeah. Well, because they're people. Right. Not because they're men and women. Right. Because they're people. 0.98

01:04:58.420 He nailed it. He said, that's a good clip right there. And it is. It's a fantastic clip for us to torch to the glory of God and out of love for both men and women.

01:05:08.220 um jen wilkins said you know that basically she said something along the lines of like

01:05:12.440 um they they act as though women are uh just um a risk category a risk category yes did we not 0.98

01:05:20.620 just watch steve lawson fall the timing of this is not just um foolish it's disgusting yeah it is 0.96

01:05:28.720 brazen um it is audacious the timing of this we've seen uh an epidemic of ministers failing 0.97

01:05:37.580 and falling and abuses i would say too not in steve lawson's case but genuine like criminal

01:05:43.780 abuse a lot of this year has come out yes this very year and with steve lawson within our camp

01:05:50.200 the broader reformed camp these people these four people know steve lawson that just happened

01:05:55.520 like 15 minutes ago and uh and then jen wilkin has the audacity to talk about women being a risk

01:06:01.960 category yes yes yeah you you are you are a risk category we love you um but but no notice the

01:06:10.720 whole thing that they're talking about and that string of clips right there is um they're not

01:06:15.140 talking about women uh getting to belong in the church on the lord's day or being members in the

01:06:19.620 church or co-heirs and grace or all these kind of of course those things are being loved by their

01:06:24.480 husbands as christ loved the church yes and amen a thousand times husbands are commanded to love

01:06:29.160 their wives as christ loved the church be willing to give themselves up for their life uh their life

01:06:33.700 up for their wives just as christ did for the church all these things are a no-brainer nobody

01:06:38.580 is denying that um but that's not what they're asking for they're asking for um they're basically

01:06:45.300 they didn't say it they didn't outright say it but they're basically um doing the same thing

01:06:50.080 that blue blue-haired lesbian feminist progressives they don't even claim the name of christ do when 0.60

01:06:56.300 they mock relentlessly mock um the billy graham rule or mocked for four years mike pence and get 0.96

01:07:03.540 don't don't mishear me mike pence needed to be mocked and still does uh so anybody who's committed

01:07:09.280 to mocking mike pence you have my full support but he does not need to be mocked for his uh

01:07:14.840 application of the billy graham rule and his discipline to never be alone in a room with a

01:07:20.880 woman who's not his wife that is a good discipline of course it's and they are literally paving the

01:07:27.080 way this whole thing that we just watched they are paving the way for pastors to be um meeting

01:07:33.540 alone with young women um and to regularly be discipling women not from the pulpit as you

01:07:40.440 disciple the whole church at large on the lord's day by the expositional preaching of his word but

01:07:46.080 they're begging the question. They are implying and almost explicitly outright saying and even

01:07:54.480 commanding or condemning, if you even thought anything otherwise, that there need to be all

01:08:00.640 of these midweek touch points where an elder, I mean, they're saying that a pastor basically

01:08:06.020 should be treating a young 23-year-old woman in the way that he engages her and disciples her,

01:08:12.220 And they mean by discipleship outside of the Lord's Day, midweek personal discipleship, that there should be virtually zero distinction or difference in the way that he would disciple a young 23-year-old man.

01:08:25.080 They were begging for more Steve Lawsons.

01:08:28.600 They were saying, could we please have more sexual immorality in the church?

01:08:30.980 And you know when that happens, it's going to be the guy's fault.

01:08:33.620 It'll be the guy's fault.

01:08:35.380 I'll tell you whose fault it is.

01:08:36.640 It will be the guy's fault.

01:08:38.080 And Jen Wilkins.

01:08:39.280 I agree. 0.86

01:08:39.600 And even more so, perhaps the most responsible loser on the planet, never met him, don't even know his name, but whoever Jen Wilkins' husband is, that guy, I would not want to be him. 0.88

01:08:54.580 Her kids go to public school. 0.88

01:08:55.860 You need to hear this. 0.99

01:08:56.700 Her kids go to public school so she can LARP and pretend to be a Bible teacher.

01:09:00.340 She's a keynote speaker at next year's Gospel Coalition.

01:09:03.000 So it will be John Piper, and then he'll share the stage on that Friday or that Saturday with Jen Wilkins to lecture men and women. 0.87

01:09:08.880 well her kids go to public school so she can do this uh do this girl boss thing that's their home

01:09:14.460 that's what's happening i hate that i hate it and i hate it because i love women in the church 0.65

01:09:20.760 i want them to be happy and happiness does not come apart true happiness does not come apart

01:09:26.880 from holiness and and there will be no holiness that leads towards true and lasting happiness

01:09:33.720 outside of obedience to the will of god notice another thing that they said in the clip was

01:09:38.580 exactly the opposite of what we said right before in terms of Titus 2. In our exegesis, they said,

01:09:44.900 well, I don't know what I would talk to her about. You know, like if a young woman comes to me as a 0.90

01:09:49.160 pastor, what am I going to, you know, what am I going to be pastoring her with? What am I going 0.99

01:09:52.880 to be discipling and discussing with her? You know, like, and they mockingly listed the kinds

01:09:58.800 of things that are actually listed in Titus chapter 2. Like, I'm not, I don't, I don't know

01:10:03.740 how to bake, you know, I'm not going to talk to her about baking or homemaking or these kinds of

01:10:08.040 things. And then they give this sarcastic, demeaning answer as, well, come on, pastor,

01:10:15.040 duh, talk to her about the gospel. Talk to her. It doesn't need to be women-specific.

01:10:21.400 Just talk to her about the gospel. Talk to her about just theology. No, no, no, no. The pastor 0.99

01:10:27.500 does talk to her about those things. On the Lord's Day, every single week, on the Lord's Day, when

01:10:32.820 her butt is not in his office or in the backseat of his car, but when her butt is next to her 0.93

01:10:39.440 husband's butt on a pew, and he's preaching the Word of God from a pulpit with a good, safe six-foot 0.99

01:10:45.480 distance, as Fauci would, you know, and preferably 60 feet. The higher the pulpit, the more pleasing 0.96

01:10:52.240 to the Lord. There's all, you know, this transcended, it's not the man, but it's the Word of the Lord

01:10:56.220 coming down from on high. I also like to think that these high elevated pulpits from back in the

01:11:00.480 day for just to get pastors just a little further away from the women. I love it. It pleases the 0.94

01:11:05.280 Lord. It's a beautiful strategy. Bring that back. Make pulpits taller again. You know, make them

01:11:10.900 taller again. But the point is, that's when the pastor is shepherding her, and he's also shepherding

01:11:16.640 her when he, outside of the Lord's Day, when he spends time with men, older men, with younger

01:11:22.540 men, because that covers her husband. Well, I'm not married. Yeah, that's probably because you've

01:11:26.900 been following the gospel coalition the last 10 years yeah the gospel coalition bears a large 0.98

01:11:32.280 responsibility for that so first stop being a feminist um desire to work with children in your 0.99

01:11:38.000 home to be a keeper at home and to be obedient which ties to uses that word to your husband and 1.00

01:11:43.700 um and let's get you married and and then here's the other thing in the meantime until you are

01:11:48.480 married he is shepherding you on the lord's day you're a member of the church you're at church

01:11:52.700 he's also shepherding you uh by shepherding your husband if you're not married he's shepherding

01:11:57.140 your father if your father is passed on he's shepherding your brother or your uncle or down

01:12:02.140 the line or it's like why i i don't have an uncle in the church i'm a single woman no member of my

01:12:06.260 male member of my family's in the church great um are there other women in the church older women

01:12:10.460 uh-huh um well he's uh he's preaching to them and their husbands and then outside the lower

01:12:15.280 state spending time with their husbands who disciple their wives and then those older women

01:12:19.300 now disciple you so no matter how you slice it that's how the minister of the gospel that's how

01:12:25.900 the the pastor is ministering to women in the church he is not ministering to uh 23 year old

01:12:32.680 women in the church by uh teaching them the five points of calvinism in the church office over or

01:12:39.400 over coffee right no no that we literally just watched 15 minutes ago stephen lawson fall are

01:12:47.240 you kidding me jim wilkin the timing of this is it is at best this is the most charitable i can be 0.99

01:12:54.340 at best it is stupid and a joke at worst it is sinister yep and you are intentionally trying 0.98

01:13:01.900 to get more men to um to disqualify themselves from ministry so that you can eventually make 1.00

01:13:08.700 your real case my prediction your real case which is men shouldn't really be in ministry at all

01:13:13.980 and we'll take it from here yeah right then you know but tell us how you really feel Joel that's

01:13:19.380 that's how I feel no that's good you were going to mention egalitarianism hierarchy the the it's

01:13:28.500 kind of a sum up thought but what this does if you take these arguments man you just you run with

01:13:33.560 them you take them all the way what you end up with like you said is a flattening of nature and

01:13:38.260 you make men and women these interchangeable machine pieces you have men that happen to by

01:13:43.720 happenstance be able to sire children and for some reason could have gone either way god decided

01:13:48.620 they can teach as well so you've got men that can sire children and they can preach that's it that's 0.90

01:13:53.560 where the differences end women are able to bear children they're not able to for three hours on 0.99

01:13:58.820 sunday morning for some reason that's the space where they're not allowed to teach and those are 0.94

01:14:02.500 the only differences between them the man wants to work the woman wants to work no problem he's

01:14:06.840 a stay-at-home dad she's a stay-at-home mom they're interchangeable pieces marxist marxist

01:14:12.120 philosophers they recognized because marxism is about distribution about equality equality equality

01:14:18.320 all across the board everyone is equal there's no hierarchy marxist philosophers they realized

01:14:23.020 and they said this the final stage of marxism will be a big giant polyamorous grouping because

01:14:28.900 when you get to the family there's things that nature has built in that the only way to possibly

01:14:33.640 overcome them is to just level everything nobody sticks out because if you have you still have

01:14:40.340 Marriage, man and a woman, well, some women are more attractive than others.

01:14:43.960 Some men, well, not in Marxism, but even there's natural qualities.

01:14:47.500 That man is stronger.

01:14:48.500 That man is better looking.

01:14:49.740 So if you're going to flatten everything, you have to break apart the family. 1.00

01:14:53.980 You have to take men and women.

01:14:55.080 You have to just make them these pieces and economic machine. 0.84

01:14:59.000 And it destroys, like you were saying, Joel, the nature that God made.

01:15:02.800 God made men and women to complement each other.

01:15:04.880 The man, not complementarian, patriarchal, but the man, like, why is he able to preach?

01:15:11.120 Because God said so?

01:15:12.180 Uh-huh.

01:15:12.520 And his voice is deep.

01:15:14.360 He has a chest.

01:15:15.540 He conveys authority.

01:15:16.980 And he can be heard to a wider, broader degree. 0.99

01:15:21.700 Why do women bear children? 1.00

01:15:23.180 Because they have breasts that can feed them. 1.00

01:15:25.160 God didn't just assign these arbitrary roles. 1.00

01:15:27.820 And then these roles, we abide by them.

01:15:29.580 But everything else is interchangeable. 0.82

01:15:31.080 Chest preaching and breastfeeding.

01:15:33.200 don't interchange them don't mix them up it is not chest feeding and breast preaching it is chest 0.83

01:15:41.240 preaching yep and breastfeeding you just get man-made horrors if you try to just well there 0.54

01:15:46.260 you do when you mix up nature yeah that's what you get that's horror like you like men that trying

01:15:52.160 to do like take children and pretend that they're the mother to them horrific terrible that's what

01:15:57.480 you are doing spiritually when you pretend that you can put a woman up and have her teach and 0.67

01:16:02.340 preach and instruct and convey and disciple them. That's what you're doing. So stop trying to take 0.98

01:16:08.580 God's order, the way he made men and women, not just a sign, but made top to bottom, front to 0.74

01:16:14.920 back, all the way. Stop trying to level those things out, because what you get then is androgyny. 0.97

01:16:20.720 Jen Wilkin is a masculine woman. In her voice, she tries to convey with a vocal fry a level of 1.00

01:16:27.020 gravitas that she naturally doesn't have because she's a woman. Colin Hansen is an effeminate

01:16:31.880 man who is overweight, lispy. You take men, you've got to make them more feminine. You take women, 0.94

01:16:38.920 you've got to make them more masculine to meet it. And you have a big, ugly, amorphous blob 1.00

01:16:43.780 of interchangeable pieces for the GDP. I don't want to see that. That's ugly. Get back to the

01:16:48.980 way God ordered the church, with fathers to lead it, with men and women serving in it,

01:16:54.260 most notably in the family serving one another. And wouldn't you be surprised,

01:16:58.600 It's actually a pretty beautiful design.

01:17:00.520 Yep.

01:17:00.920 Amen. 0.99

01:17:01.640 These, and getting to women and their role in ministry, these tweets were fire from the 0.93

01:17:10.040 Sobeys.

01:17:10.780 It was so good to see, like right when this dropped, both Brian and Lexi in one accord,

01:17:16.500 we're like, hey, we need to come out and crush Jen Mulcahy.

01:17:21.280 So let's show exactly what her advice looks like on the ground. 0.96

01:17:24.480 So in 2016, Lexi said...

01:17:26.600 So this is Lexi Sobe.

01:17:27.520 Yep.

01:17:27.880 Lexi Sauve, this is the wife of Brian Sauve, New Christendom Press.

01:17:31.220 I don't know why Brian's letting her tweet, honestly.

01:17:34.540 Brian, if you can hear my voice, if you can hear my voice, give me a call.

01:17:39.380 Get out of the wall and how?

01:17:40.440 Yeah, come on, man.

01:17:41.540 I thought you were patriotic.

01:17:42.480 I'm just kidding.

01:17:43.240 All right.

01:17:43.860 So this is what Lexi said for anyone listening.

01:17:45.860 Jen Wilkin once told me, she said this was in 2016, that I needed to be doing everything

01:17:50.380 I could to have my children cared for by someone else so that I could be working in

01:17:55.560 ministry at church. 0.72

01:17:56.620 and lexi followed it up because she's a godly woman praise the lord stirring pots of oatmeal 1.00

01:18:00.760 and washing endless loads of socks actually counts as real ministry for female kind that's 1.00

01:18:05.180 literally there's literally nothing else i'd rather be doing uh and then find you a woman 1.00

01:18:10.260 like lexi and then brian said this following it up he said she that is jen wilkin told me i needed

01:18:19.320 lexi and other women in our elders meetings if we wanted the church to be truly healthy

01:18:24.800 he says so chen wilkin told brian that and here's the thing during that same time so brian was in

01:18:31.100 it's funny because our it's that's part of the reason why we're good friends was just uh so he

01:18:35.820 was you know calvary chapel when i was vineyard and then he was uh sojourner when i was acts 29

01:18:40.840 they were kind of like sister network networks and vineyard came out of you know calvary chapel

01:18:45.180 so it's like we're you know and then you know and then we both went uh particularly baptist and

01:18:49.560 then like really covenantal uh pascal uh donald you know um very very particular baptist and then

01:18:56.340 he went westminster someone stayed at the baptist park and he stayed and he thinks that i'll you

01:19:00.420 know that i'll come they went up from us because they were not of it right so but anyways so my

01:19:04.720 point is um this would be during the time when he was like sojourners and i was actually nine and i

01:19:09.340 got the same counsel not from jen wilkin uh directly but i remember being told uh by guys

01:19:14.660 in act 29 on multiple occasions in their conferences and from you know pastoral cohorts

01:19:19.300 and things like that that um that we needed to have uh within our elders meeting if we had a

01:19:23.980 weekly elders meeting then we should do a monthly elders meeting that involved the wives and not

01:19:28.780 meaning that the elders and wall uh wives came and we just had a relation like we're just uh

01:19:33.200 going to share a dinner together but no we need to do an elders meeting in terms of content and

01:19:37.860 substance and the things that we're you know strategizing and ruling uh but the wives needed 1.00

01:19:42.000 to join us because uh specifically and this is what was said uh so that we could get a feminine 1.00

01:19:47.200 perspective. But the thing is that the Bible bans the feminine perspective from ruling the affairs

01:19:54.040 of the church for a reason. The Bible says that men and only qualified men should serve as elders 0.98

01:20:00.300 of the church because you don't need a feminine perspective. The feminine perspective is what 1.00

01:20:06.060 lends towards bad churches. You need less feminine perspective when it comes to ruling and guiding 1.00

01:20:14.120 and leading you do not need feminine perspective you need feminine perspective in homes with 0.73

01:20:20.320 nurturing and building and warming and growing uh you do not need feminine perspective when it

01:20:27.580 comes to war in the civil magistrate justice executing justice legislating politics you don't

01:20:35.340 need women's uh a feminine perspective and in the church you don't need a a woman's feminine 0.97

01:20:40.780 in perspective when it comes to the role of an elder. You don't. And the Bible strictly prohibits 1.00

01:20:46.820 that. It's, again, you've said it, we've said it in the past, but you've said it today, Wes,

01:20:52.220 but men and women are different. The distinction goes all the way down. It's not even just,

01:20:56.840 it's not even just the physical distinctions, broader shoulders for men and breasts to nurture

01:21:02.960 children for women. It's not just that. It's not just, okay, so I guess we shouldn't have women in

01:21:07.020 combat you know or maybe you know the secret service agents you know uh being overweight women 0.99

01:21:11.800 was a bad idea you know uh maybe that's why trump got shot in the head and yes an ear is a portion 0.98

01:21:17.480 of the head uh you know maybe maybe all you know maybe we should stop doing that that's cute like

01:21:22.980 like you see like conservatives coming out they're finally willing to say that we were saying that

01:21:27.140 like you know seven years ago um no we got to say more than that it's it's far more than that

01:21:33.420 The difference is not just their physical aptitude for war and for fighting and for stamina and distance and running and strength.

01:21:42.180 It's not just that.

01:21:44.060 Why is it, I've said it before, I'll say it again, even when it comes to just strategic thinking, why is it that it's not just like, well, you know, the fastest female swimmer can't beat the top 100 fastest male swimmers.

01:21:58.500 Or the fastest female runner can't beat the top 100 fastest, you know, male runners.

01:22:03.420 well how come um the best female chess player right that doesn't require physical strength at

01:22:09.280 all right at all um how come the the best female chess player can't beat um the top 100 chess

01:22:17.940 player what why why is why is there still a distinction now we've moved away from physical

01:22:22.280 feats of strength and we still find a distinction because we're different all the way down yep all

01:22:28.080 the way down mentally different and that doesn't mean that men are smarter across the board on

01:22:33.180 everything. I'm not saying that. There are instincts that my wife has, motherly instincts 0.78

01:22:39.200 that I do not. And she is often right. And if I did not listen, if she did not have the ear of

01:22:44.980 her husband, I do listen to my wife. I hear I at the end of the day make the decision, but I take

01:22:50.660 her counsel that she offers respectfully and humbly always into account, always. And she has

01:22:56.980 instincts and thoughts and ideas that i don't have that are great sometimes they're bad but

01:23:03.820 sometimes they're really good but in other arenas in the civil polis and in the ecclesiastical

01:23:11.300 realm and these things men are not just physically stronger but they are psychologically mentally

01:23:17.780 spiritually at every single level they are superior for those realms right because that's

01:23:24.780 God's design. God is not capricious. Why do I defend this? Because the good of a natural order

01:23:33.080 where everyone is healthier, everyone is happier, because it's for the good of men, the good of

01:23:38.340 women, the good of children, but also it's a defense of God. I make this point again and again,

01:23:43.040 we make this point because we love God. And I'm sick of what things like this with the

01:23:47.900 gospel coalition what they're actually doing it is it's a subtle a constant subtle and and often

01:23:53.820 not so subtle indictment and accusation a slander levied to god not just to men not just to women

01:24:01.880 but to god himself they're they are condemning god as arbitrary random capricious cruel they're

01:24:09.460 basically saying um that this is basically the gospel coalition's position of men and women in

01:24:14.220 a nutshell the women are jen wilkin is singing anything you can do i can do better i can do

01:24:18.580 anything better than you but i won't well actually i will 99 of it but i won't on a couple things

01:24:25.720 um not because i can't not because i'm designed it differently i could not only could i do it

01:24:31.620 i could do it better than you better than you but i won't because i'm a soft soft soft soft soft

01:24:39.540 soft, narrow, narrow, narrow, complimentary. And when you hold that position, what you're

01:24:46.020 essentially saying is that God designed, in God's design, he made Jen Wilkin to be extraordinarily

01:24:53.300 gifted to do something. Like Eric Little, you know, why do you run? Well, God made me and he

01:24:59.440 made me fast. And when I run, I feel his pleasure. Good line. I like it. For Wilkin, this would be

01:25:05.640 her view god made me and he made me um theologically astute and and in terms of oration articulate and

01:25:13.200 dynamic and inspiring uh inspiring um and god did that intentionally in his design and he did it for

01:25:20.600 the sole purpose by design of of of making me into this person and then intentionally withholding

01:25:28.000 right any avenue or opportunity for those gifts just to crush me just to disappoint me just to

01:25:34.120 be capricious or here's that that's that's ultimately the view you have to adopt or here's

01:25:40.180 the other view you're not a good preacher you never were it's always been a joke yeah that's

01:25:46.320 the actually loving charitable view for jen wilkin for her husband for her pastors and certainly as

01:25:52.280 a defense of god um god did not make you a great preacher and not allow you to do it right he made

01:25:57.540 you a great woman which you've forsaken and you've never been a good preacher it's not just that

01:26:03.160 you're not allowed to preach, you can't preach. You can't. Let's get to our second set of

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01:29:04.480 Welcome back to the third segment.

01:29:06.100 We've got some questions already in the chat, so we'll jump right into them.

01:29:08.720 so this is type type in questions if you got one yep so we'll go with the one we got first

01:29:13.520 timeline wise this is from rose kind of off topic kind of is on topic what is your opinion

01:29:18.480 on a christian woman marrying an atheist man or agnostic man and it would be no the word of god

01:29:23.560 says no second corinthians 6 paul talks about the joining of believers with prostitutes so he said

01:29:29.060 what fellowship is christ with belio and in first second corinthians 6 14 he says this be not

01:29:34.820 unequally yoked together with unbelievers, for what fellowship hath righteousness with

01:29:38.840 unrighteousness, and what communion hath light with darkness. Now some will take that and they'll

01:29:43.360 say, well, a Christian should never even do business with an unbeliever. There is maybe 1.00

01:29:48.540 even some validity there, but if there's some validity there, how much more so is the relationship

01:29:53.000 of man and woman, of husband and wife, the closest relationship possible? Scripture would categorically

01:29:58.860 say, no, if faced with the choice to marry an atheist or agnostic, a Christian woman should not

01:30:04.460 should a christian man marry an atheist woman if you are already in that relationship though

01:30:09.260 god has god does say through paul that you should stay in it as long as possible for the sake of

01:30:14.340 your children if your spouse will have you if your spouse will have you if they leave you are not

01:30:17.840 required to follow them to the ends of the earth to beg outside their door but if they'll have you

01:30:22.100 you are to stay in it but insofar as you are already a christian and you're faced with the

01:30:25.920 opportunity the proposition for marriage from an atheist and agnostic even a shallow believer if

01:30:31.580 you are a a mature believer and it's someone who you believe is a believer but they're young and

01:30:36.540 they're immature and they have much growing even that pairing uh could cause some real difficult

01:30:41.120 dynamics especially when it's the woman that knows much more of the faith than the man so

01:30:45.060 scripture categorically rose says no uh you are not allowed to not you i don't know if you were

01:30:50.740 considering it but a christian woman is not allowed to marry an atheist or agnostic right and if and

01:30:55.120 if a christian woman already is married um to an atheist you know and and vice versa a christian

01:31:00.540 man married to an atheist agnostic any you know it's beyond agnostic and atheist it's just

01:31:05.240 non-christian so buddhist hindu whatever uh as long as it's not a christian if a man a christian

01:31:10.740 man is married to a non-christian woman um then uh the bible is clear that he should seek to remain

01:31:15.740 with her right and to strive to be at peace um assuming that she's willing to be at peace and

01:31:20.900 remain with him right but if she uh refuses to remain with him if his faith ultimately ends up

01:31:27.080 driving her away because she hates Christ and doesn't convert, and therefore grows to eventually

01:31:32.460 begin to despise and hate her husband, who now loves Christ, if that eventually drives her away,

01:31:39.020 then the scripture does say, again, 1 Corinthians 6 and 7, that there is actually a permissibility

01:31:45.200 for him to allow her to go, and vice versa, if she's the Christian and her unbelieving husband.

01:31:50.660 But if the unbelieving spouse chooses to remain in the marriage, then the believing spouse,

01:31:55.300 The Christian spouse is called to remain in that marriage, to do the work faithfully as an evangelist with their unbelieving spouse, and to simply continue the marriage in a peaceable manner. 0.86

01:32:07.900 But for those who are single and not already married, not married yet, you have no right given by God to seek a spouse from among unbelievers of any kind. 0.90

01:32:22.620 And this is really something to consider seriously, because young women, if you come under the 0.95

01:32:29.100 headship of a man who is not a Christian, biblically speaking, he still has the authority

01:32:34.160 of husband over you, right? 0.63

01:32:35.900 And so obviously you cannot disobey the Lord, but he is not going to be shepherding you

01:32:40.260 spiritually.

01:32:40.800 He's not going to be washing you with the word.

01:32:42.420 He's not going to be leading your family.

01:32:44.500 Loving you sacrificially.

01:32:45.380 Loving you sacrificially.

01:32:46.420 Young men also, if you marry a woman who's not a Christian, and then you try and do family

01:32:51.100 worship she's kicking against the goads right she's resenting the fact that your children

01:32:55.940 are memorizing scripture catechisms or whatever it is that it is really i mean there's many many

01:33:03.160 reasons but just that one practical issue it is not a good idea like do not even consider it it'll

01:33:09.560 bring a lot of sorrow yeah all right grady kelm this is a question from x how do you deal with

01:33:14.920 relationships that have egalitarian influences on their side? And I would assume this is talking

01:33:22.120 mostly in-laws, so probably a husband-in-laws or friends or maybe her mom would pastor or something

01:33:27.640 like that. That's a good question. I would say with in-laws and family relationships, ones that

01:33:35.600 you'll have, like if you marry a woman, you are bound to her family for the rest of your lives 0.78

01:33:40.800 together. Like that your father-in-law will be your father-in-law, even if you have a falling out 0.80

01:33:44.780 And so when you have a relationship that's going to last because it's family or it's someone that you've become family by marriage, charity and overlooking offenses is, I think, the name of the game, often for the sake of the relationship.

01:33:58.560 Now, that doesn't mean compromises on your theology, compromises that affect your children.

01:34:02.920 But insofar as possible, you're going to have 40, 50, 60 years with your in-laws.

01:34:07.160 and um and there comes a point in time to say you know mom dad father-in-law mother-in-law

01:34:12.920 i respect you but this is a line or we need to be clear we won't be coming to this church that

01:34:18.080 you guys attend that has this woman pastor but insofar as it's possible to live peaceably to

01:34:23.720 not make a big deal about it um i was just back this summer with uh with my in-laws and they love

01:34:28.360 them some israel great family wonderful family but uh they love them some israel and i didn't

01:34:33.760 say a word about. I have views, and I'm very convicted of them, and I know a lot of history,

01:34:38.900 but I win nothing. Even on a topic where I believe by God's grace, I have the right view,

01:34:43.800 I win nothing by arguing with my mother-in-law about that. And so, insofar as it's possible,

01:34:48.820 again, you're not compromising on your own views, you're not taking your children. I would not take

01:34:53.300 my children to church where there would be a woman pastor. There won't be a church. You can't do that, 1.00

01:34:57.740 but insofar as it's possible to let some of the other things go, I think there's a grace in that,

01:35:01.700 and God would, God honors that.

01:35:04.200 Yeah.

01:35:05.000 I think it's a more difficult situation 1.00

01:35:07.060 where the woman leans egalitarian 1.00

01:35:08.760 and she's getting support from her family or friends 1.00

01:35:12.060 who lean that way as well.

01:35:14.400 Super hard.

01:35:15.120 Yep.

01:35:15.680 And I, you know, pray.

01:35:18.660 If you're the husband in that situation,

01:35:20.660 you have to bring the word gently.

01:35:22.520 You know, washing is not beating over the head.

01:35:25.360 You have to bring the word.

01:35:26.580 You have to pray.

01:35:27.240 You have to continue to be the man

01:35:29.940 that God called you to be,

01:35:30.720 the husband that God called you to be, but the reality is unless God changes her heart

01:35:36.080 and by going to church, by presenting the word, those are the tools of the Holy Spirit,

01:35:40.860 but unless God changes her heart, there's going to be a bit of an impasse there, right?

01:35:45.820 There just is going to be until, now you can have rules of the family.

01:35:50.680 You can say, we're going to do family worship, but even then, what if she says, no, I'm not

01:35:55.960 going to do that like you're not going to chain her to her chair and read her the catechism right

01:36:01.920 um there is something to be said for putting distance though like especially for young men

01:36:06.920 as you enter marriage yep she herself may be convicted and convinced alongside with you yep

01:36:12.220 there's something to be said like we're going to live 45 minutes right mom and dad still honoring

01:36:16.120 them right still have being having years for grandkids right we're not going to live down

01:36:19.220 the street ray ramano it's beautiful king king of queens or whatever uh no no no this is uh it's

01:36:25.740 just called the ray ray ramano show but everybody yeah yeah but basically this is an episode where

01:36:31.020 he like has this whole strategy of how far away you should live from your mother-in-law yep you

01:36:35.700 know and uh and he says like now you don't want to be too close where she can just come over and

01:36:40.340 he basically says if she can uh if she can uh come over and a casserole still be hot by the time she

01:36:46.760 gets there uh then you're too close you're too close and he said now but here's the other problem

01:36:51.700 it's like kind of like a donut uh he said now if she's so far away that when she comes over 0.95

01:36:56.780 there'll be an expectation for her to spend the night spend the night what you want is that she 0.66

01:37:01.200 can't just pop in so she's not right across the street she can't bring over a casserole it'd be

01:37:05.120 cold but also there'd be no expectation to spend the night you know so he's like you're looking at

01:37:10.060 this 45 minute you know 45 minutes hour and a half distance that's that's your sweet spot so

01:37:15.920 yeah wise words i will say i i knew a couple and this is from a long time ago it's not her church

01:37:20.960 it's not my family but uh they lived with her parents because they tried to start off and then

01:37:25.280 they moved it was literally just across a parking lot then finally later in their married years just

01:37:29.600 down the street and her family controlled everything about their lives it was mom and

01:37:33.680 dad's doctor's appointments mom and dad's health issues mom and dad's crises that they were going

01:37:38.000 through and it really i think crippled his life and his development and his ability to stand as a

01:37:43.520 of man and so there really is something to be said it's the first chapter of genesis a man shall

01:37:47.960 leave his father and mother and uh and cleave to his wife and the two will become one so egalitarian

01:37:53.540 influences don't live down the street don't share an apartment together uh that's just one practical

01:37:58.440 way and and we're not just real quick we're not to clarify we're not giving a ironclad you know

01:38:03.340 one size fits all like you can if your parents um if there's strong relationship there and and

01:38:09.560 you're like-minded yeah not only is it permissible but it's even ideal like like uh you know like

01:38:14.860 with my parents um you know i i would love eventually you know that we build a compound

01:38:20.560 you know and get a plot of land yeah it'd be our family my parents my sister and her husband

01:38:27.200 their family you know like so um that can be done and by god's grace like uh you can have

01:38:32.620 families that live i think of you know like the wilson's you know and like where you have

01:38:36.580 multiple grandchildren multiple generations all in one town very close to each other and and some

01:38:41.420 not every case but some of their cases you know like the wilson's built you know their new house

01:38:45.360 um doug and nancy you know i think on the jenkovics land where rachel and luke are and

01:38:50.660 and so you can do those things um and and it's wonderful uh what we're saying just to to put

01:38:56.800 this clarification on it so you guys don't say like they're saying don't ever live near your

01:39:00.520 mother no ray romano's funny and so i just i had to share uh that was the purpose of that uh what

01:39:05.680 we're saying is if your um if your parents or your wife's parents have strong disagreements

01:39:12.240 with the way that you're trying to lead your home right yeah and not just strong disagreements

01:39:17.220 here's the other thing they could have strong disagreements and still it wouldn't be a problem

01:39:21.500 it's got to be two factors strong disagreements and they have a proven track record that they

01:39:26.580 cannot keep those disagreements to themselves right that's that's when there's a problem when

01:39:31.160 they have the strong disagreement and they have to tell you about it again and again and again

01:39:35.860 and so part of it deals uh deals with the parents but a big part of it honestly also has to deal

01:39:40.660 with your spouse um because um any wife um uh her parent like if a wife if think of it from this

01:39:50.900 perspective now as a parent as a mother or a father um even if your your daughter is you know

01:39:56.160 a fully grown adult, um, and, and live somewhere else. If your daughter is coming to you,

01:40:01.980 even just verbally on the phone and, um, and, and crying or, or complaining and like,

01:40:09.040 oh, you know, I just, I, we go to church and, and the pastor, you know, he's making me go to

01:40:15.880 this church where the pastor believes that patriarchy is what the Bible teaches. And he

01:40:19.980 started he's starting to want to lead our family and family worship and uh and you know and he's

01:40:26.920 and he's starting to you know um then like you're you are going to be inclined your heart is going

01:40:33.540 to be oriented as a as a parent even if it's your adult child your adult daughter to want to rush to

01:40:40.120 her aid so what i'm trying to say is that um a big a big part of this goes back to being careful who

01:40:46.000 you marry yeah especially the men like for the women like trust your dad trust yeah trust your

01:40:53.380 dad and you can marry the wrong guy but i just like i just i've dealt with too many of these

01:40:58.100 cases dealing with one right now but uh let's just be honest uh the court system will side with the

01:41:04.000 wife not the husband um she gets the house she gets the kids she gets like um so yeah my my heart

01:41:12.700 right now goes to the men absolutely 100 i make no apology for that um so yes women you do need to

01:41:19.620 be careful what man you marry no question about it but men listen to me um you need to be exceedingly

01:41:26.360 careful exceedingly careful because um the views of the bible the views of the bible are uh view

01:41:34.980 they are treated as hate crimes by today's cultural and quickly even potentially becoming

01:41:42.600 legal standards um if if you want to be a man who fears the lord and holds to biblical patriarchy

01:41:50.140 and you're going to lead your wife to that kind of church that teaches those principles

01:41:54.100 and you're going to lead your wife and children as that kind of man in the home then you you have

01:42:00.300 to make sure a single man you cannot marry um you cannot marry a woman who goes to gospel coalition 0.95

01:42:06.660 conferences right right um she will take you to court right she will she will take everything you 0.99

01:42:13.700 have she will take your kids she will take your money she will take your house like it's that

01:42:19.500 serious it is that serious it's like that's hyperbolic he's just being extreme nope i've

01:42:24.760 dealt with the cases right i've dealt with the cases i'm not going of course to betray anybody's

01:42:28.960 trust i cannot tell you who but i've dealt with the cases um all the time i get that email from

01:42:35.460 people. My wife is leaving me. She, you know, she follows Jen Wilkin, you know, blah, blah.

01:42:40.600 This is, this is, this is as common as common can be. So yeah, you know, be careful with the

01:42:48.080 in-laws. Yes. But we, we want to have multi-generational families. If your in-laws

01:42:54.040 agree with you, great. Build a compound, live on the same plot. Like that's incredible. Being in

01:42:59.680 the same town, if you can live by family, keep the fifth commandment, honor thy father and mother.

01:43:04.140 it's serious it's significant it matters do that with your parents do that with your wife's parents

01:43:08.720 if they disagree with you and they can keep it to themselves and be mature about it and don't have

01:43:14.520 to express it all the time then c.a like be be cordial and be involved right but if they disagree

01:43:20.840 with you sharply and they have to tell you about it all the time then then in those cases that's

01:43:25.760 the point that we're making those are the cases where you have to put in some distance and to be

01:43:29.260 honest you don't you rarely have those kinds of parents if if your wife is truly on your side

01:43:35.100 right what i have found is more often than not when you have those kinds of in-laws who are 1.00

01:43:40.480 prying in and asserting their two cents and giving their egalitarian feminist takes that are washed 0.98

01:43:45.640 in some kind of you know christian language like we're christian so you you don't respect us we're

01:43:50.200 evangelical christians just like you are we just believe everything you know that the world believes 0.61

01:43:54.560 in 2024, you know, or everything that, you know, rhinos like Liz Cheney, you know, and Jeb Bush

01:43:59.100 believe like, but we're, of course, we're very devout Christians. We love our daughter and we

01:44:02.860 love Israel and we, you know, um, okay. Like that's, I, the cases by the thousands. And when

01:44:09.320 that happens, here's my point. When, when those in-laws insert themselves and they, and they

01:44:14.080 start, you know, waving their Christian flag, that they're just as Christian as, as you are 0.99

01:44:17.960 and more Christian, and that you're just a chauvinist misogynist pig, even though you believe 0.97

01:44:22.160 what every single christian man and woman and child believed throughout all of church history 0.99

01:44:27.500 until 60 years ago and they start making you feel like you're criminal and you're abusive

01:44:32.460 and you're all these kinds of things um just know just know that it has been my case undefeated

01:44:38.880 100 of the time um that no matter how bad the in-laws might be that doesn't happen

01:44:44.900 uh if the wife is on your side yeah um so again c point a uh if you're single marry a solid wife 0.93

01:44:55.120 marry uh because then even if she does have rough parents she's uh she's not going and spouting your

01:45:02.440 business right you your household your family's business to the parents it's not their business

01:45:07.740 yeah so all right do we want to call it uh there was a good one from vlad i'll hit michael's real

01:45:14.520 quick no it's i so michael you know your question um would you agree blah blah blah blah blah uh

01:45:24.640 yes of course we agree yeah 100 go ahead all right vlad yakubitz yakubitz yeah what is the

01:45:31.620 best way to help a wife overcome certain ways feminism has affected her even though she's 0.56

01:45:35.800 pretty patriarchal currently first i would affirm her moving in the patriarchal direction 0.91

01:45:42.720 yeah praise god for the first part this is a very different process than this is a 0.98

01:45:48.720 encouraging process rather than my wife is completely at odds with me right so that's

01:45:54.780 getting farther away and getting farther away yeah i was gonna say um man young men it says

01:46:01.020 somewhere i think believe in the proverb or psalms the glory of young men is their strength right and

01:46:04.700 so men will want to they'll arrive at a position like patriarchy know them when to use their

01:46:09.020 strength of logic and reason and history and just muscle family members their wife their family into

01:46:16.060 it we talk about cage stage calvinism all the time but uh so if you have a wife that's trending in

01:46:20.400 that direction i know it can seem like we seem pretty hardcore so it can seem like wow that's

01:46:25.260 really your advice but uh but give it time i would certainly say um it does it's not going to be

01:46:29.880 something that's going to happen overnight and attempts to force it and strong arm it right

01:46:34.660 generally could then backfire on you and the progress you were making you stop so all right

01:46:39.440 we're going in the right direction that's awesome because then on a long enough timeline we arrive

01:46:43.520 at the goal that's to be there so i want to keep it keep it developing it may take more time than

01:46:49.040 i would like it to however are we continuing this direction and if it pauses or it stalls

01:46:53.340 that's when it's maybe more acute more directed hey let's let's spend some time we're going to

01:46:57.760 spend some time sit down with the elders sit down with this couple that we respect to talk through

01:47:01.620 this. Yep. And the only thing I would add to that also is just environment. So not just you as a

01:47:06.320 husband and leading her and leading her patiently. Uh, but also, um, I have seen so many women,

01:47:14.160 um, get, you know, completely red pilled on, you know, the hashtag, you know, trad wife or whatever 0.98

01:47:23.520 in, in good ways, uh, really good ways. Most of them are good ways. Um, but by simply being around

01:47:29.940 other women that have that hold to those convictions and so like what i like here's one

01:47:36.720 that you know sounds kind of funny and and it's definitely sounds self-serving but i don't mean 0.90

01:47:41.320 it that way but um conferences can be really really like to to go to a conference and be around

01:47:48.000 a thousand people from all over the country and oftentimes even outside of the country other

01:47:51.880 other nations as well um where everybody is like-minded right and you walk into a room where

01:47:58.160 you know you've got women who are head covering and you've got you know uh like the average family

01:48:03.600 as you know like seven kids you know and uh the wives are wearing dresses you know and uh and not 0.70

01:48:10.260 three-piece suits you know they're not dressed like jen wilkin they're wearing dresses they look

01:48:14.280 feminine um and the men look masculine um and and here's the biggest thing so there's all those

01:48:20.340 things so they uh they have lots of children um they they uh are uh have submissive posture

01:48:27.360 they're dressing feminine and here's the key um and also they're happy right and everybody's like

01:48:33.660 laughing and talking and there's you know whatever there might be like a beer and a psalm sing

01:48:38.120 afterwards you know or everybody goes to a restaurant afterwards and is getting together

01:48:43.060 and spending time together and you know in the breaks you know and during the lunch hours and

01:48:47.340 all these kinds of things are orchestrated, you know, there's an after party, there's this and

01:48:51.040 that, you know, and, and everyone's just getting to spend, you know, not just the sessions. It's

01:48:55.920 not, it's not even about that. In some ways that's, that's the least important part because you can

01:48:59.580 usually, every single conference that's ever been had that the, you know, the, the content

01:49:04.420 eventually becomes public, but it's the, it's the time spent with people, not just four or five

01:49:10.060 people. Like you may only have one or two other families in your whole local church that think

01:49:14.680 like you right and you guys are like holding on to each other for dear life you know it's like

01:49:18.400 leonardo dicaprio you know holding on to the wrath you know and there's only room for one although

01:49:22.700 there was literally room for two you know in that scenario but you know and he's holding on and

01:49:26.300 eventually like you're just going to sink and drown and freeze but like uh it doesn't have to

01:49:30.200 be that way um i know it's hard right now there aren't a lot of churches that hold to biblical

01:49:35.680 values um but look for those opportunities and i know it's a sacrifice financially taking time off

01:49:41.320 work those kinds of things um but but but if you can make make that sacrifice we're going to say

01:49:48.300 no to this vacation over here and we're going to do a conference instead we're going to bring the

01:49:51.840 whole family and the kids and it's not just going to be me and the guys i'm bringing the wife i'm

01:49:56.100 making sure uh back to in-laws maybe the you know the in-laws in this particular case can you know

01:50:00.700 grandma and grandpa can watch the kids and we're going to be gone for three days uh but those

01:50:04.440 things are huge so if you have a wife who's coming along we'll keep bringing her along be patient be

01:50:09.460 gentle but in addition to that um if you can bring her into a room where there's a thousand people

01:50:16.160 and and 500 of them are women wearing sundresses and most of them are head covering and they've

01:50:24.120 got multiple children and they're all bragging about it and they're all happy because that's

01:50:28.760 the way women it's the way society works and it's the way women work yeah like if i can just be 1.00

01:50:33.660 honest for a second um women uh they're made to follow so when you it's like oh like uh you know 0.98

01:50:40.540 we uh rage against the patriarchy rebel against the machine women have never raged against anything 0.86

01:50:46.160 ever in the history of mankind ever right um women are always deferring to whatever the cultural 0.99

01:50:55.800 zeitgeist official authority happens to be in that moment so when women are painting their hair blue 1.00

01:51:01.920 and choosing not to get married or running over their husband

01:51:05.560 or this or that, it's because they're appealing

01:51:07.560 to the highest authority in the culture at this time, 1.00

01:51:09.980 which is feminism. 1.00

01:51:12.400 That's all it is. 1.00

01:51:13.820 So what they're doing is, it's like the opposite

01:51:16.280 of the doctrine of the lesser magistrate. 0.92

01:51:17.980 It's like this woman's rebelling.

01:51:19.380 Her dad doesn't believe that.

01:51:21.680 Her dad is heartbroken that she became a feminist 0.98

01:51:23.940 that hates men and hates children, 1.00

01:51:26.060 hates this and hates that. 1.00

01:51:28.220 Yeah, and so she's actually rebelling against authority.

01:51:30.520 No, she's appealing to an authority that she sees as being higher than her father's authority.

01:51:34.480 More valid.

01:51:34.860 There was another, so there was once upon a time where she actually did respect.

01:51:38.660 When she was a little girl, she loved crawling into her dad's lap and kissing him on the cheek.

01:51:42.660 But eventually there was another authority that eventually replaced and defrocked her father's authority and said, I am infinitely wise.

01:51:52.440 I'm far more superior in wisdom to your dad, superior in benevolence to your dad.

01:51:57.280 your dad he's kind of he's actually at the end of the day he's kind of a bigot and he's actually

01:52:01.420 not very kind and he's not loving and you know he doesn't even want his country to be taken over by 1.00

01:52:05.880 you know 100 million illegal immigrants what a jerk you know the guy he just doesn't have a heart 1.00

01:52:11.060 if you don't want your country to be absolutely destroyed by the entire world immigrating to your 1.00

01:52:15.420 country and eating all of your cats and dogs and cannibalism eating the people then what kind of 0.64

01:52:20.100 a hateful bigot are you you know your dad's probably one of those guys um and that's i mean 0.99

01:52:24.480 again, using strong language here, but that's literally what women are taught. And so all that

01:52:30.520 happens ultimately is that that woman's not being creative. She's not being independent.

01:52:34.440 She is literally just submitting to another authority. It's just the new zeitgeist, the new

01:52:39.220 authority. And so my point is she's being pressured. She's looking at society as a whole,

01:52:44.100 and she is going with the flow. She believed Dr. Fauci more than the men did. The men were like,

01:52:50.060 what the heck is going on she believed dr fauci all the way up until enough people said no and

01:52:56.820 then as soon as enough people said no she started to think for herself nope there was just a new 0.99

01:53:01.840 authority she started submitting to that one that is the way women work it's god it's god's design 0.99

01:53:07.840 that's the way they work so bring her in right she's surrounded by the world she's surrounded by 0.89

01:53:12.400 netflix and by all this garbage and by your your church it claims to be complementarian but it's 0.72

01:53:18.080 jen wilkins soft complementarian that's actually egalitarian and feminist and all this that's her 0.78

01:53:23.120 milieu she's swimming in it all the time so like west said be patient with her but the second thing 0.89

01:53:28.740 you can do is you could bring her to the right response conference april 3rd 4th and 5th where

01:53:33.340 all of a sudden her feminine instincts that have been there all along they're not gone they're still

01:53:37.180 there by the grace of god they're still there nature remains undefeated and you bring her into 1.00

01:53:41.780 her room with 500 other women who if she's a boss babe she will feel out of place she will yeah she 1.00

01:53:50.420 will be ostracized she'll feel awkward and for three days she's going as all women do she's going 1.00

01:53:56.940 to want to fit in and she's going to be listening in and meeting people and trying to make relationships

01:54:01.480 and trying to make friends like women do so well and she's going to be making friends and they're

01:54:05.500 going to be talking about sourdough much to ali best chagrin you know and they're going to be

01:54:10.600 talking about um how to how to uh do this and how to do that and and what to do with you know with

01:54:17.340 the baby and if you can't breastfeed how to you know how to supplement how to make this work and

01:54:22.020 how to make that work and she's going to be just uh um in uh just um enveloped immersed in in that

01:54:29.920 culture and i know it's only three days but then out of that there's there's going to be massive

01:54:34.640 inspiration you're going to have conversations for weeks after the fact um she's going to hopefully

01:54:39.020 get some phone numbers and build some relationships that she can continue and then from that you also

01:54:43.900 because we will do things like this at the conference we'll say who's from this uh state

01:54:48.520 who's from that state who's from this area who's and maybe you guys uh can find uh that you make

01:54:53.840 some friends at this conference and some of them are only uh 40 miles away you know and it's still

01:54:59.160 a distance but maybe you can visit them once a month you know and maybe you could start going

01:55:03.020 to their church twice a month and that those things uh radically if if if everybody became

01:55:09.360 patriarchal tomorrow is is my point um if everybody held that view tomorrow a hundred percent of the

01:55:14.500 men and only uh 15 or 20 percent of the women the other uh 85 80 percent of the women would

01:55:23.380 immediately within i i would i would take bets i would say within by the end of the week within

01:55:28.580 seven days um they'd all say yeah i never i never actually believe that they would immediately

01:55:33.580 begin to be embarrassed about the views that they held 15 minutes ago uh yeah feminism yeah that

01:55:39.840 never really made sense to me i always thought it was dumb they would immediately fall in line 1.00

01:55:42.980 the reason why women are feminist today is um because the reigning dogma and authority 1.00

01:55:48.320 in this current moment tells them that that's what um obedience to the global homo jihad right 1.00

01:55:56.860 looks like they are they're not raging against authority they're submitting to authority it's 0.99

01:56:01.780 just a godless authority so submerge your wife with a bunch of people who think godly who think

01:56:07.540 christianly and who think like you on the issue who love the scripture and for her to see oh

01:56:12.460 they're actually i would not be the only women uh the only woman if i if i follow my husband

01:56:17.780 in this conviction i will not be standing alone i will not be crazy i will not be the only woman

01:56:23.480 going against everybody else there's actually lots of other women who are doing this too there's a

01:56:28.020 there's a family that we met the very first right response conference and my wife and the wife of

01:56:33.540 this couple they have kept in touch they text and every time they come to the conference or they're

01:56:37.800 in town we uh we have lunch with them and it's exactly what you say like they were fairly new

01:56:43.240 believers right kind of not sure about these things and um you know they're going to a church

01:56:48.220 and praise the lord they found a good church but still my wife has kept in touch with her and we

01:56:52.220 see them every time they come to the conference. We have lunch with them on Sunday after the Sunday

01:56:56.360 service, and it's been fantastic. Amen. That's good. All right. Well, speaking of wives and

01:57:02.180 children, you need to see yours. You need to see yours. And mine, I think I can, I hear something 0.99

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01:58:10.080 positive feedback and not just positive feedback like you red-pilled me and i'm not a dispensational

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01:58:19.340 and i've gone too far and i've pulled back and been and guys even using the word saying i'm

01:58:24.040 repenting um i realized that i went too far and um and what you're saying makes sense of the

01:58:30.040 scripture it makes sense of the culture it makes sense of what's going on i wish you had been here

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The NXR Podcast - October 09, 2024

THE LIVESTREAM - The Gospel Coalition Embraces Egalitarianism

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