The NXR Podcast - THE LIVESTREAM - The Many Blessings Of Colonialism

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00:00:41.480 In recent decades, a growing course of voices has attempted to vilify Western colonialism, painting it as a system of pure exploitation, cruelty, and oppression.

00:00:52.800 Figures such as Christopher Columbus, once hailed for their exploratory and pioneering spirit

00:00:59.200 Have seen their reputations tarnished by claims of atrocities

00:01:03.740 But was Western colonialism a pure and unmitigated evil?

00:01:08.760 No 0.55

00:01:09.080 In fact, it was a largely Christian impulse and endeavor 1.00

00:01:13.460 And the world is much better for it 0.99

00:01:16.200 And if the gospel is going to spread across the entire globe 1.00

00:01:20.300 Christian nations may need to colonize un-Christian nations again. 1.00

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00:04:26.000 All right, welcome, gentlemen. Good to see you again.

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00:05:19.160 Yep. All right. So the topic on hand today is, was colonialism an unmitigated evil?

00:05:25.320 Our answer in the cold open was no. So how do we, how do we substantiate that claim? What do we

00:05:30.600 want to say about colonialism? And like so many things in the West, there is always a shade of

00:05:38.500 truth, right? Because you can't tell outright lies. You have to tell 90% lies. And so, yes,

00:05:44.340 of course, there were abuses, people died, there were, you know, slaughters and things like that

00:05:51.240 throughout history. But the point is, the point is, those things were already going on in a lot

00:05:56.920 of the countries and nations and peoples that we're going to talk about. And so our goal with

00:06:01.920 this episode is to talk about how actually colonization, Christian colonization, which

00:06:06.100 historically was different than pure conquest, the record for most of history, for a lot of

00:06:12.240 history, not all of it, but a lot of history had been a strong nation emerges or a strong empire

00:06:17.120 emerges, and it engages in conquest, right? It engages in going in and just taking over,

00:06:25.180 leaving nothing in its track. And colonization, in the Western sense, was actually something of

00:06:32.140 a novel idea, where it was a desire to go in to acquire resources, but also to spread

00:06:39.940 civilization, proper governance, proper order, proper social structure for a variety of reasons,

00:06:45.260 whether it was so that those nations could be more productive and produce more goods that

00:06:50.180 then could be brought back to Europe, or because of Christian missionary endeavors as well,

00:06:54.060 they wanted to instill some sort of moral order, godly society among other nations as they

00:07:01.260 believed they were commanded to through the Great Commission. And so colonialism, Western

00:07:05.240 colonialism as it developed, 1600s, kind of, 1600s, 1700s especially, I think England's first

00:07:12.600 colony was 1604, Barbados, I think it was, a first official colony. So coming 1600s into the 1700s,

00:07:20.580 Europe spreading out, our claim is that it was largely a positive force for good in the world,

00:07:26.420 and it was, in many ways, the product of a Christian mindset and a Christian impulse.

00:07:30.960 One of the things that we want to do here at the beginning is one of the claims that is made about colonialism is that these peoples who were oppressed or taken advantage of or harmed would have been totally fine.

00:07:45.580 They were living this kind of idyllic, Edenic lifestyle on their own.

00:07:50.440 They were one with nature.

00:07:51.860 They were in harmony with each other and with their neighbors.

00:07:55.540 They had good social order.

00:07:56.980 It was kind of this golden age of indigenous peoples around the world, and then all of a sudden, the colonizers show up, and just because they hated everything that they saw, they just torched it all, right? 0.90

00:08:11.880 And so one of the things that Wes did was he looked into a couple little vignettes and stories about what life was actually like in some of the places that the colonials, the colonists, went to, and why it prompted them in some cases to say, we actually have a duty to these people to set up some sort of order because horrific things are happening here that we as Christian people cannot countenance, we cannot excuse, and now that we've seen it, we can't turn a blind eye to.

00:08:40.660 So the backdrop of colonialism was not peaceful, harmonious living.

00:08:46.680 In a lot of places, it was really horrific and uncivilized and barbaric behavior that

00:08:52.940 Wes is going to take us through a couple examples of that.

00:08:55.280 Yeah.

00:08:56.000 Just a warning.

00:08:57.180 I'm not going to try to be too graphic with it, but these are pretty horrific stories

00:09:00.980 for the next five minutes if you have young kids.

00:09:03.440 Just be aware.

00:09:03.980 Maybe screen it before.

00:09:04.900 I just wanted to say, too, the Bible provides this framework and this foundation.

00:09:10.220 We know that from scriptures that men are wicked, that bound up in the heart is all types of malice and hatred and violence.

00:09:17.440 And so using a Christian anthropology, even without the stories, you could know that unless the gospel comes to a land and doesn't work upon it,

00:09:24.340 that what you're going to encounter there is not peace and harmony, man loving his fellow man horizontally, man worshiping God truly.

00:09:31.680 No, men are wicked since the fall, and it's the gospel and it's grace that restore and perfect nature.

00:09:37.280 So I'm going to read just two stories.

00:09:38.740 There are hundreds from here in the U.S. and the native tribes, from Africa, from the Far East.

00:09:44.140 But I'm just going to read two.

00:09:45.440 So this first one, this is what in present-day Nigeria.

00:09:51.120 Benin City lies to the west of the Niger and is near the sprawling delta of that mighty river. 0.99

00:09:56.860 These days, Benin is just another ramshackle Nigerian town filled with mud-walled houses and tiny shops. 0.98

00:10:02.300 But Benin is different from the others in its history. 0.97

00:10:04.300 All of southern Nigeria was a land of oppression, terror, and fiendish cruelty, and of slave trades. 0.96

00:10:10.000 But Benin surpassed them all as, quote, the city of blood. 0.90

00:10:14.340 Hundreds of people were tortured to death regularly in Benin's juju rituals.

00:10:19.100 These blood-stained orgies went on for centuries and were only halted in 1897 when the British captured the city.

00:10:25.340 For the record, the reason they captured that city was because they had sent an envoy to enforce a treaty of 250 people.

00:10:30.760 they're mostly unarmed and the natives there fell upon them murdered all but two that managed to

00:10:35.580 escape so the british had to come back in 1987 with about 5 000 men and actually retake the city

00:10:40.780 and avenge the couple hundred men that had died and been murdered one man who entered the city

00:10:46.140 in the british expedition gave this description altars were covered with streams of dried human

00:10:51.540 blood the stench of which was awful huge pits 40 to 50 feet deep were found filled with human

00:10:57.500 bodies, dead and dying, and a few wretched captives were rescued alive. Everywhere sacrificial trees

00:11:03.240 on which the corpses of the latest victims, everywhere on each path were newly sacrificed

00:11:07.960 corpses. On the principal sacrificial tree, facing the main fate of the kingdom, the king's compound,

00:11:13.440 there were two crucified bodies. It is said that the crucifixion idea was all that remained of a

00:11:18.560 Portuguese attempt early in the 16th century to convert Benin from Juju to Christianity.

00:11:23.740 A Portuguese seafarer had visited Benin in 1485, and the first white man known to have done so.

00:11:29.680 Missionaries were sent out later, but the mission eventually had to be recalled because so many missionaries died.

00:11:34.920 Fetish worship and juju rituals returned, and in time, Christianity's only permanent solution was to give the Benin the crucifixion idea for its mass ritualistic murders.

00:11:47.000 This is a letter notes on Nigeria to a journal, the Institute of Current World Affairs. 0.90

00:11:52.040 So you're saying that the only Christian influence that survived, that they were like, yeah, we'll take that, was A New Way to Kill People? 0.86

00:11:57.780 A New Way to Kill People. 0.99

00:11:58.380 So a slew of missionaries went over there. 0.98

00:12:01.020 Many were killed.

00:12:01.920 And they did take ideas from them.

00:12:03.620 And that was crucifixion is a particularly violent way for us to put our own fellow countrymen to death. 1.00

00:12:13.440 So that's Nigeria. 1.00

00:12:14.320 That's across the ocean. 1.00

00:12:15.860 Here in America.

00:12:16.760 So this is from a book, Ancient America's Great City on the Mississippi.

00:12:21.760 Cahokia was a large Indian city located near where St. Louis, Missouri is today.

00:12:26.200 There, the natives practiced ritual human sacrifice in and around 950 AD.

00:12:30.980 This would be about 1,000 years after Christ.

00:12:33.000 You can visit the Cahokia Mound still today.

00:12:36.060 The ritual sacrifice in Cahokia began with a selection process where certain individuals, including teenage girls, were chosen for their symbolic significance.

00:12:44.000 These girls, perhaps virgins or of noble lineage, represented purity and fertility, qualities highly valued in ancient sacrificial rites.

00:12:51.320 In Mound 72, so a specific mound here in these burial hills, archaeologists unearthed a mass grave of 272 teenage girls and young women.

00:13:00.640 The bodies of the women, for the most part, showed no signs of blunt force trauma.

00:13:04.520 They were also all not buried at once.

00:13:06.320 Scholars estimate that based on how they were buried, at least one group of girls was sacrificed every generation,

00:13:12.020 meaning there must have been something in their tradition that required a large number of young women to be sacrificed periodically.

00:13:18.080 The age and state of the women suggested that their sacrifice was a ritual surrounding fertility.

00:13:22.560 Given the position of some fingers digging in the soil,

00:13:24.940 it is suggested that some victims might have been buried alive or suffocated.

00:13:30.860 One thing that struck me just reading that, there's wickedness and there's violence, 1.00

00:13:35.420 but there's also stupidity. 1.00

00:13:37.040 So this is a tradition supposed to for fertility. 1.00

00:13:40.460 Lord, please, the gods, please bless us with children and mighty warriors. 0.78

00:13:44.820 and to bring that about what we're going to do is we're going to take young women and we're going 0.99

00:13:49.200 to kill them so they can't have any children right like that's what sin and demon worship like this 1.00

00:13:53.380 is what this is that's what sin and demon worship does to people doesn't just make them uh violent 1.00

00:13:57.780 and and hateful and spiteful it makes you dumb they do dumb things like that right sin yeah 0.96

00:14:04.220 there's always a correlation throughout the scripture especially the proverbs between sin 0.98

00:14:07.700 the wicked person and the foolish person and likewise also you know the righteous person and

00:14:13.660 the one who is wise and um and and so there certainly is a correlation that uh as a person

00:14:21.240 as an individual or especially over generations with the society as a whole give themselves over

00:14:26.340 and over further and further to wickedness um you know even romans chapter one um towards the end

00:14:32.060 uh it culminates you know it's this progression of being handed over sovereignly by god

00:14:36.260 man choosing wickedness god handing him over to further wickedness him choosing that further

00:14:41.680 wickedness, God hand him over to even further wickedness. And it culminates in being inventors

00:14:47.140 of evil is one of the phrases that the Apostle Paul uses in Romans 1. So I look at that as

00:14:53.840 that, you know, that there's a sense in which sin no longer satiates. And so you're trying to

00:15:01.480 invent even higher degrees of wickedness and evil in order to satiate your appetite for wickedness.

00:15:09.240 And then, you know, another phrase that's used in Romans 1 is God handed them over to a debased mind.

00:15:15.940 And the idea that you could have a brilliant mind that's brilliant in terms of intellect, but completely debased in terms of morals, I think is a misnomer.

00:15:27.320 I think that eventually one side does win out and the other side will follow.

00:15:33.580 So eventually, over time, a person who is completely perverse and a person who is murderous and filled with malice and hungry for blood, that person is not going to be brilliant. 1.00

00:15:52.120 That person is going to be—that perversion and that wickedness is going to warp the entirety of his mind, and sin really does make you stupid. 1.00

00:16:00.920 But the last thing that I want to say on that point, though, is so there is a stupidity in murdering children to get children, right? 1.00

00:16:08.180 So it's certainly illogical. 1.00

00:16:09.980 So there is a stupidity there. 1.00

00:16:12.500 At the same time, though, I want to say that I have no doubt that there really was stupidity among savages who were murderous and sinful. 0.99

00:16:23.640 But I also think, to be fair, that there's also an argument to be made for it not all being stupidity, but that part of the reason why human sacrifices and these kinds of things occurred is because they really were worshipping gods, lowercase g gods. 0.98

00:16:41.980 And I think that, you know, with the expansion and culmination of Christendom and the Christian gospel, moving from, you know, Jerusalem to Antioch and then from Antioch to Ethiopia and these different places, and then eventually this massive expansion of Christianity in the West and in Europe, I think that, you know, real demonic powers, the old gods, would flee.

00:17:07.600 i think of you know i've said it before but jesus who gives it's not really a parable it's really

00:17:13.820 more of just a description of what happens in the spirit realm he says that you know if if somebody

00:17:18.980 is exercised a demon is exercised from a person uh that it's utilizing this individual as a host

00:17:24.540 and the demon is cast out it first goes through arid places or some translations say waterless

00:17:29.000 places and so it's um it's traveling through the air and but it's looking for a host just like

00:17:35.620 the demons that were cast out and said, send us into the pigs. They prefer, you know, to be in

00:17:40.540 a person, but they'd rather take pigs than being in arid places. And so, and there's a lot of

00:17:46.760 arguments to be made for, you know, what is a demon? Is it a fallen angel versus are these

00:17:51.540 Nephilim spirits that didn't go above or below because they weren't entirely human? And so 0.89

00:17:56.120 they're trapped in the world and they were once embodied, but they died out in the flood. And so

00:18:01.620 they want to be embodied again. And so being in arid places, going through the air in waterless

00:18:07.320 places without a host, without a body is torture for them. So they want to have a host. But the

00:18:12.180 point is this, Jesus says, if you cast a demon out, it goes through arid places. But eventually,

00:18:18.160 if the person now empty, the demon is gone, if the house, that person, that person's self is

00:18:25.740 swept clean and put in order, but it's not filled ultimately with the Spirit of God, then the demon

00:18:30.020 will come back and not only himself, but he'll come back, find the house, swept clean and put

00:18:34.460 it in order and bring with him seven other friends, seven other demonic hosts, even worse

00:18:39.560 than himself. And so my point is, I think that that's true, the words of Christ on an individual

00:18:44.260 basis, but I think it's also true collectively. And so as whole nations and whole societies and

00:18:49.940 cultures began to worship the triune God and began to apply all of Christ to all of life

00:18:55.660 in every single facet of their culture, many, many demons were driven out. I think many,

00:19:02.260 many demons were driven out. But the question is, where did they go? Even these demons with Jesus,

00:19:08.620 they appealed to him and say, have you come to torture us before the appointed time? And Jesus

00:19:12.860 doesn't really answer, but I think implicitly we can tell that the answer is no, that there is an

00:19:17.100 appointed time and that that time is not yet. And so they have to go somewhere. So when demons are

00:19:23.880 uh expose uh um from you know a whole society or country uh they i i believe they actually

00:19:32.020 geographically travel somewhere else and i think that many uh many demons uh went even across

00:19:37.980 oceans to the americas and so i think that these people or down you know south to um to uh you

00:19:45.280 know certain african sub-saharan african nations and nigeria and these places and they spread out

00:19:50.380 And so when these places were eventually colonized by Christians bringing the Christian gospel, I believe that there were, very likely, there were demonic manifestations.

00:20:01.400 And just like the demons reacted when Jesus was coming or the apostles were coming, I have no doubt that demons began to, you know, their hosts foam at the mouth a little bit as they see Christopher Columbus coming in the name of the Lord. 0.85

00:20:16.420 With crosses and banners.

00:20:17.900 proclaiming the christian gospel that they you know and so i so my point is one sin does make 1.00

00:20:24.460 you stupid uh so stupid that you would you would be your your logic would be completely you know 1.00

00:20:29.460 reversed and opposite that like we're going to kill children young teenage girls in order to 1.00

00:20:33.200 get more children on the other hand uh there is an argument to be made that oh maybe it wasn't 0.99

00:20:37.900 stupid maybe it actually worked maybe there really were these these demon gods um that actually had 0.81

00:20:44.180 power some power over fertility and actually would grant the people's request if they if the people 1.00

00:20:50.400 gave them blood and uh but i in either case whether it's sin making them stupid or whether it's uh 0.85

00:20:56.420 being in in covenant and and packs blood packs with demons uh both options i think we can all 0.96

00:21:03.420 agree are pretty bad yeah we talked about before but it's funny the two drugs that would be most

00:21:08.460 associated with south america north america indigenous peoples would be a wayahaska and

00:21:13.620 peyote which are both psychedelics i would believe i think you would say the same thing

00:21:18.200 that in the psychedelics realm individuals who take them in and consume them and have these

00:21:22.920 rituals they're not just in their head only they're communing with spiritual realities and

00:21:27.560 so you have two broad obviously within different tribes there's differences but south america

00:21:32.080 north america inhabited by hundreds of years by people that consumed these drugs in ritual

00:21:36.760 communed with demons, with benevolent spirits, and those spirits giving to them their hatred for

00:21:42.920 the image of God. Satan hates the image of God in man. Demons hate the image of God in man. That's

00:21:47.700 why Molech demanded these ancient gods, throw your children into the fire, consume them. Because 1.00

00:21:53.840 in every child and in every human being, you can see, in a sense, this is what the scriptures say,

00:21:59.100 what God is like. You can see his justice and his rule and his glory and his magnanimity.

00:22:04.420 so you can see all that in the image of god these demons hate it and so then these cultures that

00:22:08.420 communed with them with ritual and dance and psychedelic and all those things to your point

00:22:13.340 not at all unthinkable that part of that communion part of that the instructions part of the this is 0.98

00:22:19.360 what you should do included massacre as many of your people as possible if face and destroy the 0.95

00:22:25.020 image of god as much as you can with the violence that you're capable of partaking in yep and it was 0.95

00:22:30.200 also the case i think of um when the spanish conquistadors discovered the aztec empire right

00:22:39.240 and the aztec empire had developed it was it was a huge massive empire right and they weren't

00:22:45.880 necessarily killing themselves but they had totally enslaved the people around them right

00:22:51.560 and there were ritual days where the line of human sacrifices was over a mile long down the temple

00:22:58.320 And when Cortez and some of these conquistadors saw this,

00:23:02.600 actually some of the tribes that had been subdued

00:23:05.560 and were being exterminated by the Aztecs,

00:23:08.400 they pled with the Spanish conquistadors,

00:23:11.460 please save us from this.

00:23:13.740 We are being destroyed.

00:23:15.380 And so they actually saw it as their Christian duty 0.69

00:23:18.640 to end that extermination of those people. 0.67

00:23:21.700 I mean, can you imagine a mile?

00:23:23.040 Like think about a mile long, right?

00:23:24.820 A mile long of one person lined up after another, after another for human sacrifice.

00:23:31.160 I think one of the legends, or one of the bloodiest data they recorded was something

00:23:34.860 like 80,000.

00:23:36.440 That's the equivalent of like three times the size of your town, Hutto.

00:23:39.620 It's almost more than half of Georgetown where I live. 0.98

00:23:42.600 An entire medium-sized U.S. town sacrificed by these people.

00:23:48.580 So one of the points that we're trying to make here is even before we look at 0.97

00:23:52.900 whether colonialism was a Christian impulse. Historians, and this guy Bruce Gilley that I

00:24:00.900 kind of relied on for the article this week, he points out that just, he's not a believer,

00:24:05.260 but just from a non-Christian kind of objective point of view, many of the colonial structures

00:24:12.620 of governance and rule were more fair, more efficient, more productive, and more fruitful

00:24:21.000 than the systems of rule that existed in those places before the colonizers arrived.

00:24:29.020 And many, he has a really interesting phrase.

00:24:32.120 He says that colonization spread as much through the push of the colonizers

00:24:38.260 as much as the pull of those being colonized.

00:24:41.640 They were in many cases welcoming, please come here.

00:24:45.860 So the way that it kind of initially set up was the British would go

00:24:49.340 and they would establish a fort just for trading and they would build a fort with walls and it

00:24:55.100 would be safe they would have it armed and then they would start to trade and they had to have

00:24:59.140 it secured and armed because goods would be coming in um valuable goods that they were trading would

00:25:03.560 be going out but many of the people especially consider india who are of the lower caste started 0.97

00:25:09.820 moving towards these forts because their life as the lowest caste in india was horrific and they 0.99

00:25:15.960 would come and and the british would offer them jobs and it may not have been a glamorous job it 0.99

00:25:19.940 was better than what they had before right they would offer them security they weren't going to

00:25:23.420 be killed right they were going to be fed and so the the the western impulse was welcomed into a

00:25:31.580 lot of these lands as much as it was pushed into the lands by the west right and even then it 0.99

00:25:37.280 started to transform society so people who were part of the lowest caste in india all of a sudden

00:25:42.820 were treated. And that's one of the things that even a secular historian noticed. He said,

00:25:48.700 Western European colonization differed from previous conquests because it offered, 1.00

00:25:55.060 not immediately, but the hope that eventually those barbaric pagan nations could become 0.99

00:26:02.000 civilized. And so they saw, even in the Africans or the Indians or the indigenous Americans, 0.99

00:26:08.680 maybe some in fact in the 1700s jonathan edwards wrote that he that he hoped that centuries down

00:26:15.760 the line um great works of theology would be written in africa right and so there was this

00:26:22.020 there's this western colonialism perspective that said okay there is savagery there is barbarism

00:26:28.040 and that's the case right now but but over time we are going to work to bring order structure

00:26:34.140 religion and and uh stability to these places and uh gilly talks about um western colonialism

00:26:41.720 always had as its desire preparation for proper self-government which i thought was really

00:26:48.820 interesting preparation for proper self-government because then they could be trade partners they

00:26:54.120 could be allies they could be you know a lot of uh just just from a purely non-christian point of

00:26:59.980 view, the Western colonial experiment and push was markedly different than what we had seen

00:27:06.880 throughout all of history. Yeah. I was gonna say, compared to the gospel accounts where Rome has

00:27:12.280 occupied Judea and the broader region, you don't see anything in there about Rome coming in. It's

00:27:17.080 like, you know, we want you to get to a point where you're self-governed and you're running

00:27:19.840 your own things. It's, we're here. We're gonna crush you with taxes. We're gonna make your own

00:27:24.140 people tax collectors to sell you out. And that's really all we're interested in. You're a province

00:27:28.400 that we are going to manage we're going to put down slave revolt if they show up we're going to 0.99

00:27:32.900 tax the living daylights out of you that's really it we have no no design for your improvement we 1.00

00:27:38.940 have no religious program for you um you're just another annexed colony like alexandria all like

00:27:44.860 these great kingdoms that's that was the extent of their care for the provinces that they conquered

00:27:49.900 right yeah you're a tax foreign um okay well let's go to our first commercial break and then we'll

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00:31:02.640 uh one of the one of the comments in the chat a bit ago was um who started the narrative of

00:31:09.400 European colonialism as oppressors? What was their motive? I'm certainly not an expert. I did some

00:31:13.720 research for this week's article. But it came up actually largely after World War II. And there was

00:31:22.960 a couple things that I discovered as I researched. One was this growing sense of an idyllic state of

00:31:31.800 nature that had existed before the West showed up on the scene. So the idea that what the West was

00:31:37.940 doing was inherently bad and that what existed before them was inherently good. And so kind of

00:31:43.580 this really a not historical idea that the West had caused all the evils in these places where

00:31:53.060 they had colonies. Secondly, there was just a fatigue in Europe after the wars. And so when

00:31:59.340 people and scholars and a lot of the Marxists began to say, well, you know, the problem is

00:32:06.140 colonialism. And so foreign powers, Western imperial powers need to divest themselves

00:32:13.120 of their colonies. There wasn't a lot of reserve or stamina left among some of the European nations

00:32:21.160 to say, no, no, no, hold on. Let's have an accurate telling here. There was just a fatigue,

00:32:25.900 a tiredness from the two world wars. And there wasn't a lot of really even kind of moral fiber

00:32:31.700 left for them to try to defend their record. And so the decolonialism movement began around that

00:32:39.620 time, and there was a push very quickly for England and other European powers to divest

00:32:45.820 themselves of the colonies. My question, though, is why that push? What's the incentive? What's

00:32:51.560 the motive for Marxists or whoever to say, let's stop? Well, you notice that the Marxists were not

00:32:58.720 returning those countries to a sort of native,

00:33:02.160 primitive, pre-Western form of government.

00:33:04.800 They're importing a Marxist government there, right?

00:33:07.880 And so if we want to get rid, if we want to spread Marxism

00:33:11.500 to Vietnam or to, you know, Korea or wherever it is,

00:33:17.020 well, we've got to get rid of the imperial powers there 0.71

00:33:19.640 because the imperial powers are Western, Christian, etc.

00:33:22.820 I see.

00:33:23.340 And so I don't know if that was all of it.

00:33:25.520 I'm not well-versed in it.

00:33:26.940 So part of the motive being that we need you out so we can come in?

00:33:31.520 Yes.

00:33:31.860 Okay.

00:33:32.340 Yes.

00:33:32.800 That makes sense.

00:33:33.280 And the irony there, of course, we all see it, is that we're merely importing an even worse Western idea upon the world, which is Marxism.

00:33:41.640 Right.

00:33:41.740 The really sad record, and maybe, Wes, you can talk about Rhodesia for a moment here, too, but as the pressure was mounting and organizations like the UN and other organizations, League of Nations, were trying to get rid of the colonies

00:33:56.120 and trying to kind of give them back over to self-government,

00:33:59.940 there's a record of many of them asking the British or the Belgian people,

00:34:09.360 please don't leave yet.

00:34:10.400 We are not ready.

00:34:11.300 If you leave, our nation is going to descend into chaos and insanity again. 1.00

00:34:16.720 It makes me think of Afghanistan. 0.99

00:34:18.200 A hundred percent, yeah. 0.59

00:34:20.320 And so I guess maybe even if everyone could have agreed at that time

00:34:25.140 that colonialism is bad and that the colonies need to be given back even if that was agreed

00:34:32.760 upon which it wasn't a numerous um colonies and nations third world nations were saying we're not

00:34:40.360 ready yet if you leave there's going to be nothing to hold society together there's going to be

00:34:45.120 nothing to hold uh violence or exploitation at bay and in check and in fact that did happen

00:34:51.320 in many of the in many of the colonies yeah and i it seems like to me it seems like um because

00:34:58.660 part of you can start to think okay well we don't want to have forever wars and i completely agree

00:35:03.200 with that um but there these things just take so much more time than we're willing to admit like

00:35:10.200 so like earlier you said that you know a lot of the western impulse uh with you know colonization

00:35:15.440 was well we don't want to just rule uh as you know some province of of you know the monarch

00:35:22.040 overseas indefinitely but we're actually our our our long-term aim is that you would become

00:35:27.820 self-governing and um and i think that i think that that's good but i think we just forget how

00:35:35.160 long it takes that's not a that's not a one political term project that's a generations

00:35:39.540 and centuries project exactly because like that's it's something that um well you know like i i

00:35:46.000 talked for like an hour with stephen wolf today and uh and we were talking about you know um

00:35:51.220 the constitutional republic and our you know our thoughts and ideas of what would happen you know

00:35:56.480 in the near you know future for america you know here with our country and we were just we both

00:36:02.740 agreed that you know we think constitutional republics are great you know if you can have it

00:36:06.920 um but uh it's like you know you kind of like it's um it's like a husband and wife you know

00:36:13.960 that have toddlers you know and everything in the house you know breaks you know like

00:36:17.540 if you have like nice you know uh vase or something that's on a coffee table that's low

00:36:22.640 you know and your two-year-old can get and it's like you know you look at each other and it's like

00:36:26.160 we um why can't we have nice things and the answer is um you can't have nice things in about

00:36:32.160 five to ten years yeah like uh you can't have nice things right now because you have your house is

00:36:36.940 filled with children right well our house is as a nation is filled with children yeah um we are a

00:36:43.400 country of degenerates and uh a constitutional republic is a nice thing and uh and uh children

00:36:50.180 um aren't ready for nice things right so right now it's like i i would love to have a constitutional

00:36:55.080 republic we used to have one we don't anymore right and anybody who thinks well we you guys

00:36:59.620 are advocating that we move away from a constitutional republic you friend you you just

00:37:04.140 you need to wake the heck up what what nobody is advocating for for moving it we're saying the

00:37:09.620 constitution has been shredded already right and we didn't do that the the christian right did not

00:37:15.540 do that the left has done that that has been done i mean you can argue that's been done 130 years

00:37:20.720 ago but certainly since the 60s and the civil rights movement read age of entitlement by

00:37:25.260 christopher caldwell there's so many different things that you can look at the constitution

00:37:28.860 is dead it's dead um not because i want it to be dead i love the constitution i really do i mean

00:37:35.300 the first amendment i think even the first amendment is fine because the first word is

00:37:38.960 congress and and all you have to do is you don't have to revise that you just get back to authorial

00:37:43.640 intent i'd like to at most i would like to adopt um a christian preamble like like the apostles

00:37:49.620 creed to the constitution and some of the latter amendments not the bill of rights not the first

00:37:54.480 10 um i i do think that we need to have a discussion about some of those um other than that

00:38:00.240 constitution is great i think i honestly think other than the bible which is inspired by god

00:38:05.400 it's one of the best documents ever written so we we all love the constitution we're just willing

00:38:11.120 to call a spade a spade and say that um these united states uh the constitution is um it's

00:38:17.280 it's fitting that it's in a museum because that's really all it is it's just something that people

00:38:21.560 look at it's a relic but it's not it's not uh actively being adhered to not not any longer

00:38:27.220 there's all these three-letter agencies and all these all these different things that started

00:38:31.920 either in the cold war or in the 60s with the civil rights movement all these different things

00:38:36.480 that um have have been placed over the constitution right because it's too obvious to just you know

00:38:42.060 torch the constitution you know then then you would have some pushback from america but

00:38:45.900 instead what they did was you put you put a lens on top of it then a lens on top of the lens and

00:38:50.380 then a lens on top of that lens and that and by the time you get done with it you you know you're

00:38:54.680 reading the constitution and and what was once beautiful and christian um and now now is

00:39:01.300 interpreted to say the very opposite of what it was intended to say and so uh constitutional

00:39:05.600 republics are great but back to my conversation with steven wolf the point was um we think that

00:39:10.140 america like just sprung up uh naturally from the soil or something like it just like it just

00:39:16.360 materialized out of the ether you know just like in a vacuum you know there was nothing there and

00:39:21.140 then and then god said let there be america right and there was america you know and and

00:39:26.540 benjamin franklin you know and and john adams and uh that's not how it worked like so you think of

00:39:31.620 like well constitutional republic you know there are guys on the right who are entertaining the

00:39:36.400 idea of a monarchy okay well let's just for a second can we just recognize america didn't come

00:39:42.140 out of the ether america uh came largely from great britain which means america was i would

00:39:49.120 argue a constitutional representative uh republic is the high watermark for a society and uh and

00:39:57.500 what was required to get there 1500 years of monarchy yeah 1600 that the the british isles

00:40:03.800 that christianity lands begins to establish yeah and and i'm arguing all the way back to

00:40:08.040 constantine but but you know but you can argue from uh alfred you know king alfred so so then

00:40:12.900 in that case like six seven hundred years uh but no matter how how you slice it um if i if i'm

00:40:18.820 arguing from constantine then again at the founding of america it wouldn't be 1500 it'd be you know

00:40:22.640 1100 1200 but the point is a millennium you know like give or take maybe a little less maybe a

00:40:28.260 little more but you know without being too technical on the numbers the point is it's not

00:40:32.180 decades and and it's arguably not even a couple centuries but it's it's a millennium so how long

00:40:39.460 does it take for people uh how long does it in in a home with a family how long does it take to have

00:40:45.080 a vase on the coffee table you know that's expensive and nice um five to ten years you know

00:40:49.840 like like you got to wait till you're out of the little years with the toddlers that are running

00:40:54.100 around and um and then you can have nice things well what about uh societies as a whole how long

00:40:59.060 does it take to have nice things and the constitutional republic is i would say is a

00:41:03.440 nice thing um i like it i just you know but how long does it take um approximately a thousand

00:41:08.440 years i i would say joel the 700 the only caveat there that i would add is the first person to

00:41:15.120 develop a scientific theory studies his whole life too and then you can teach it to high schoolers

00:41:19.560 after that like there is some something to be said because the work has been done that's right

00:41:24.020 i do agree with that i do agree with that but um i think that there's there's the the intellectual

00:41:29.660 um formula or whatever you want to you know like there's there's the um the constitution has

00:41:35.640 already been written and and you don't have to write it again like so you're right like there

00:41:38.800 are tools that are there and you don't have to make the tools anymore right that's huge but

00:41:44.060 there's also something to be said not just for the system of government um and and for the tools

00:41:49.400 and documents of government.

00:41:51.460 There's something to be said for the people.

00:41:54.440 And the people, that's my point. 0.96

00:41:56.040 The French and the Venezuelans 0.73

00:41:58.160 basically copied the U.S. Constitution. 0.98

00:42:01.440 Very different. 1.00

00:42:02.800 The French became totally godless. 1.00

00:42:05.820 Venezuela was Catholic, I guess. 1.00

00:42:08.000 But to your point, it's not the tool by itself.

00:42:11.040 And that's what I'm saying,

00:42:12.120 is that it's the tool.

00:42:14.940 So maybe we can cut that 1,000 years down.

00:42:17.940 I'm totally, I think you're right.

00:42:19.100 I think that's a fair point to say, well, it doesn't have to take a thousand years now that

00:42:22.880 we've had it at least once. Maybe it can be replicated a little bit faster in the future.

00:42:27.220 I agree. But what I would say, my caution would be, I think we can cut that time down

00:42:32.220 and make it faster, but not too fast, because what we've seen even just in latter American

00:42:39.660 colonialism and the American empire, as we've tried to expand and import our sacred democracy

00:42:47.020 you know in the middle east and in different countries what we found is um the the moment

00:42:53.000 that we pull out it reverts back to chaos and and that's like like john doyle uh is you know

00:43:00.080 i've talked to him some offline and i think he's he's a good guy i appreciate him and enjoy his

00:43:05.460 videos with his youtube channel and uh but like he he recently did a video where he just was trying

00:43:11.800 to get people to recognize because we just as americans we just don't get it we don't we don't

00:43:16.040 understand how fortunate we are and how blessed by god we've been and he was just saying guys you

00:43:20.600 don't understand uh civilization western civilization is an anomaly yep if you look at

00:43:28.000 two things the world as a whole um and then also human history as a whole so if you look at the

00:43:34.200 the full the full scope of time and then the full scope of humanity across the globe uh this is

00:43:41.920 an anomaly it's almost like like if you were if you study you know all 6 000 years of history

00:43:48.120 around the world like you um you know for the first 4 000 years you would you would think uh

00:43:54.960 you if someone said and then there's going to come a nation that's like this and they're going

00:43:58.640 to have cathedrals and they're going to have um ballet and opera yeah and uh the mona lisa and

00:44:05.140 the sistine chapel and you would like if you were watching like a time lapse of the first 4 000 years

00:44:10.300 of every continent in the world

00:44:12.560 and the way that society was developing,

00:44:14.500 you'd say, no way.

00:44:16.580 No freaking way.

00:44:17.740 That's impossible.

00:44:19.040 And yet, what is impossible with man

00:44:20.920 is possible with God.

00:44:22.000 It is a miracle.

00:44:23.240 It is a miracle.

00:44:23.920 And it's God's work.

00:44:25.080 And it's God's glory.

00:44:26.800 God did that.

00:44:28.040 And he did it with a particular people.

00:44:30.140 He did.

00:44:31.300 And that doesn't mean he can't do it with other people.

00:44:33.540 But the point is, he did it, and it took time.

00:44:37.340 And the default, you know, like to reset to factory settings, like what John Doyle, the point he was making is the factory settings for a fallen world marred by sin, the factory settings is the Aztec empire.

00:44:52.800 The factory settings is like, this is before, exactly, this is before, you know, wokeness.

00:44:58.220 It wasn't that long ago.

00:44:59.220 I'm 38 years old.

00:45:00.360 I'm not that old, a little old, but like 38 years old.

00:45:03.080 And I remember learning in the sixth grade, uh, and, uh, Bay city middle school, uh, grew

00:45:08.740 up in Bay city.

00:45:09.440 Bay city was, uh, it was like a 20, I think 22 miles or 29 miles, something like that

00:45:14.260 from, um, uh, the Matagorda beach.

00:45:16.800 We were in Matagorda County, one of the poor counties, um, in Texas.

00:45:20.440 And, uh, and I was in, in, uh, going to public school in, in the sixth grade and in public

00:45:25.420 school, but small town, 18,000 people, population, small Texas, you know, rural town, uh, even

00:45:31.540 in the public school district um they as they were teaching history in my history class uh they

00:45:36.960 apparently you know basically texas in um in in the 90s had not gotten gotten the memo yet

00:45:43.680 they were supposed to be woke and so they were still teaching actual history um you know whoops

00:45:49.100 and so what they taught was you know we're teaching texas history and part of the texas

00:45:53.400 history for us because we were in matagorda county near the gulf coast was learning about

00:45:57.640 the indigenous people near the gulf coast of texas uh before it was colonized by westerners

00:46:03.660 and um and so one of it was the caronkawa indians and i always i thought it was so cool you know i'm

00:46:08.920 12 year old you know and learning about the caronkawa indians i was like this is fascinating

00:46:13.420 like right here you know on the soil where we currently are um before western civilization

00:46:18.220 and and these kinds of things happened um if you were alive today uh you would be eaten 1.00

00:46:23.200 and like my history teacher is teaching me this and the croco indians were you

00:46:27.800 like well i was about to say uniquely but that's not the case they were um they were uh common

00:46:33.060 savages common l for the entire world of all of human history until western civilization

00:46:38.660 common l uh it was it was it was universal they were savages like everybody else they sacrificed

00:46:44.220 people and they ate them and they would even like take hearts out of their victims and eat the heart

00:46:48.920 you know and um and that's that's just what people do so john door the point he was making

00:46:53.840 is just that uh savagery and barbarism um and anarchy um is that's the factory setting that's

00:47:02.680 right and and he said you you think you think that you can just uh import the third world

00:47:08.980 he said if you import too much of the third world you get the third world they bring the third world

00:47:14.540 with them this is not see here's the thing we're so we're we're not um uh pagan norse god worshiping

00:47:22.760 far right you know what like uh a little far right but you know but we're not um those people and so

00:47:29.120 and and so because we're not those people in terms of our views we don't think uh that uh the soil

00:47:34.420 here in america is magical and that if you take someone from haiti or 590 000 people uh from haiti

00:47:41.580 and drop them wholesale in america that the second that their feet hit the soil that all of a sudden

00:47:47.020 they're going to become uh thomas soul and uh you know and clarence thomas it doesn't work like that

00:47:52.240 and and likewise in terms of that's you know importing the third world exporting the first

00:47:56.920 world likewise that's my point is you um this takes centuries because yes we have the tools

00:48:03.620 so maybe we can cut down that thousand years and make it a little faster than that but you're not 0.91

00:48:07.300 going to cut it down to where it's like hey you know 20 years and afghanistan will be a

00:48:11.800 constitutional republic no yep like oh you know we'll give it uh we'll give it 30 years in haiti 0.91

00:48:17.940 um and no like 30 years in haiti and um and and they're eating cats and eating dogs and and that's 0.95

00:48:25.920 on a good day and on the bad days they're eating people and eating missionaries mission like white

00:48:31.080 missionaries going to haiti and being killed and sometimes eaten these these are not this is not 0.68

00:48:36.520 hyperbole this is this is the default factory settings of the world we have no idea how blessed

00:48:42.800 we are and it's important i just my point is it's important to realize that um that this did not

00:48:48.760 spring up overnight this is this is arguably from from constantine all the way till you know

00:48:55.960 till the founding of america this this is a centuries and centuries long project and um and

00:49:03.320 I think we're destined to colonize the stars, and I think we're destined also to colonize

00:49:11.680 the world.

00:49:12.620 I think we are.

00:49:13.680 And when I say we're, I mean Christians.

00:49:16.220 I think God has given—

00:49:18.180 Christian civilization.

00:49:18.960 Christian civilization.

00:49:19.980 God has given us dominion.

00:49:21.320 The world is ours. 0.95

00:49:23.220 It was given to Adam.

00:49:25.200 Adam forfeited to Satan, and then Jesus took it from Satan, and he gave it back to his

00:49:30.420 disciples of which we are his disciples and so the the world dominion over the world and i believe

00:49:37.100 the cosmos which includes even beyond the world and the stars it belongs to christians it really

00:49:43.580 does and um and so i i think it is our destiny but i think we have to realize that this is um

00:49:50.240 it has to be one uniquely christian it has to be uniquely christian and two um it's a long

00:49:56.360 and tedious work you cannot just go and say here are the principles of right of xyz government

00:50:05.200 democracy or whatever i'm not a fan of democracy but whatever um you know like here are the

00:50:09.300 principles of a government and we're going to be here you know with boots on the ground for 20 years

00:50:13.460 and we're going to teach you and then you guys can take it from there no they can't no they can't

00:50:18.160 you know what's interesting joel is a lot of the early kind of proto-colonial models

00:50:23.620 because initially it was not the British government or the Belgian government.

00:50:30.180 It was private trade companies who were kind of going to Africa

00:50:34.560 to look for resources to trade for and things like this.

00:50:36.940 A lot of the kind of management of the area where trade was developing

00:50:41.920 was managed initially by these private organizations.

00:50:45.500 And in some ways, the British government stepped in

00:50:48.900 because the private entities, number one,

00:50:52.080 they weren't equipped to manage a people, to rule a people. And number two, they weren't

00:50:57.320 necessarily upholding the same principles of jurisprudence and legal fairness and things

00:51:02.400 like that. And we have this idea that the British government or the Spanish government,

00:51:08.360 the French government, they decided to go there just to destroy. But really, it was the opposite.

00:51:15.000 This was going to happen anyway. Europe was developing ships. It was developing technology,

00:51:20.200 guns and crossbows and all that sort of stuff it was going to spread around the world and i think

00:51:25.260 especially the case can be made for the british government that they they had to step in in a

00:51:29.440 governmental sense because private trading companies were not equipped to handle the

00:51:35.180 management of entire foreign countries and themselves defend themselves yeah things like

00:51:40.020 that the other thing i wanted to say that you're exactly right about is the early missionary efforts

00:51:44.660 in the 1600s, 1700s, they considered spreading the gospel to be almost synonymous with spreading

00:51:51.840 Christian civilization. And it's one of the reasons why they began translating the Bible

00:51:58.460 into native languages. And to do that, they, in often, many cases, they had to write the language.

00:52:05.640 Which is quick. Think about that for a second. We're talking about people who,

00:52:08.480 they're not just committing human sacrifices and cannibalism and all kinds of savagery,

00:52:13.620 But you're going in, you don't have to merely learn their language, but you have to learn their language and then find a way to translate it into a written form.

00:52:25.340 Because this people has existed for a very long time, and they have still not compiled a written form of their language.

00:52:35.540 Everything is simply oral tradition.

00:52:40.460 It's not that they don't know how to read English.

00:52:42.740 they don't know what reading is that's right they don't know what writing there's even broader

00:52:46.980 concepts like sacrifice covenant even time i did a high level african philosophy course

00:52:52.320 time in in those cultures was the near immediate and the far distant past so when you give them

00:52:58.360 conditionals like going to heaven in the future that if you place faith in jesus at a later date

00:53:03.340 when you die you'll go to heaven you're even teaching that concept of covenant the idea of

00:53:08.580 of someone being put in your place because they'd show that's why the jesus movie was kind of

00:53:13.160 helpful but like which is not a great evangelism tool but at least it gave a visual that didn't

00:53:18.140 exist in the language to try to get across this was for you this is what will happen if you trust

00:53:23.800 in jesus etc yeah yeah and there was one missionary named john elliot he was in new england

00:53:29.740 and he actually was called as a presbyterian pastor outside of boston and he maintained that

00:53:36.180 presbytery his entire career but on the side he was reaching out to this um indigenous people in

00:53:42.300 the area and he learned their language he translated it he developed it and he didn't

00:53:47.540 just translate the bible and the catechisms he started translating things like the christian

00:53:51.520 commonwealth right because he's like these people need laws they need a foundation for how to order

00:53:56.800 their society and you know obviously it wasn't going to happen immediately right but he was

00:54:01.440 already thinking it's not just the gospel it's civilization it's order it's logic it's rule

00:54:06.840 it's productivity it's accountability it's structure like all of these things yeah i'm

00:54:12.340 just sitting here thinking i've had this thought before but it just feels like clearer than i've

00:54:16.700 ever had it before you know you know what you know what i think is wicked i think it is so wicked

00:54:22.260 that um revisionist history of you know all these you know colonizers were oppressive

00:54:31.020 and mean and malicious and like everything that we're discussing when you think of the

00:54:37.240 Caronco Indians or you think of the Aztecs or you think of you know all this you know 0.51

00:54:41.900 and then you think of the Africans and and savagy and and and then you think of like 0.92

00:54:46.560 no written language and you have to teach them you have to create their language and put it in

00:54:52.240 written form and then teach that language to these people and it's their own language and

00:54:56.700 you're having to teach it's not you just have to learn their language you have to teach them

00:55:00.020 their language and how to write it um and and the fact that like we would we would read the history

00:55:07.500 of our ancestors in western civilization our fathers in light of the fifth commandment we

00:55:13.800 were commanded to honor them and we would read someone like rl dabney you know or we we would

00:55:19.400 read you know some of these guys and and we would read some of the things that they that they said

00:55:25.080 about other peoples and we would say oh my goodness how arrogant how uh how racist how

00:55:31.920 and it's like we we weren't we weren't there right these these guys um all these uh you know 0.59

00:55:39.500 america is a very diverse nation it is it in my opinion is a little bit too diverse in terms of

00:55:46.220 continuing to import the third world but for heritage america and those who who really can

00:55:51.460 track back their family lines multiple generations and and that that includes more than just

00:55:56.660 europeans more than just white people so um but the point is you um you look at at different people

00:56:03.280 um different ethnicities within our nation um and many of them doing um incredible things

00:56:09.920 wonderful things um but but then you know together collectively we then look back and scoff

00:56:16.840 at guys from the 1700s and 1800s

00:56:19.880 and the things that they wrote

00:56:20.740 and the things that they believed and thought

00:56:23.140 because they had firsthand accounts

00:56:25.800 and observed them.

00:56:27.520 And we say, how could they?

00:56:28.920 And when the reality is,

00:56:30.720 the reality is that the reason

00:56:32.420 why we are as developed as we are

00:56:35.180 and are as civilized as we are

00:56:38.560 and multiple different ethnicities,

00:56:41.540 able to live together 0.66

00:56:44.540 and worship the triune God 0.94

00:56:46.220 and all these things is because of Dabney. 0.75

00:56:49.100 It's because of Edwards working among indigenous tribes.

00:56:55.140 You know, he spent,

00:56:55.800 after he was wrongfully excommunicated from his church,

00:56:58.160 he devoted the rest of his life as a missionary.

00:57:00.040 Like these guys, they saw the savagery.

00:57:03.100 These guys, they saw the barbarism

00:57:05.940 and they gave their lives for it.

00:57:08.800 And the reason why a lot of other,

00:57:11.600 you know, a rising tide lifts all the ships

00:57:13.900 as Christendom began to rise more and more and expand across the world, all these different

00:57:19.200 peoples were caught up in the wake and everybody, every society, every culture began to improve 0.62

00:57:26.820 and not all equally, not every culture is equal, but every culture did improve because of the West

00:57:34.760 and predominantly because of Christendom. And so now we're sitting here at like a high watermark

00:57:40.020 of looking at the most developed the world has ever been

00:57:46.460 and all these different peoples

00:57:49.940 who have gone from not even having a written language

00:57:54.160 to now they're studying and going to Yale

00:57:58.100 and American citizens and all these different...

00:58:01.520 And then we look at our fathers

00:58:03.340 and we say that they were the bad guys.

00:58:06.140 um no that like that that is in that's insane they i mean what what would you do what would

00:58:14.860 you think like it's so easy to be arrogant and puffed up but what would you think if um if you

00:58:21.840 if you were born into a civilization in let's say the 1600s and already from constantine to the

00:58:28.320 1600s or even alfred you're still looking at 500 years like a thousand to 500 years and and you've

00:58:34.620 got cathedrals and art and philosophy um and the christian religion and and human sacrifice

00:58:43.920 is um is a thought that that you can't even fathom yeah and you know and and uh and and

00:58:51.520 you're sitting here it's the 16 1700s and then you know through technological innovation and

00:58:58.600 developments you know uh you begin to explore the rest of the world and as you as you begin to be

00:59:06.100 introduced to other peoples in the rest of the world and you've known cathedrals and and and

00:59:12.780 fresh baked goods and this and ballet and operas and shakespeare and then you go to the rest of

00:59:19.440 world yeah and you think um that your your people are superior yeah like it's that's not a crazy

00:59:30.360 thought you know now now why would be the question and how can we fix it why and how can we help

00:59:37.560 right but the but the but the mere idea the mere thought of um superiority that's it's it's i it's

00:59:46.140 quite an arrogant thing on this side of history after these guys who thought that they were

00:59:51.820 superior, and many of them did not mean anything malicious by that. They're like, it's just a fact.

00:59:57.860 It's just a fact. There's mud huts, and then there's cathedrals, right? We're learning Latin,

01:00:04.720 and we're having to write a language for them. We eat baked goods, they eat each other. 0.97

01:00:11.540 like you come in you think you're superior because you objectively are and i want to argue

01:00:20.960 by the grace of god you objectively are by the grace of god and then and then you write about

01:00:26.020 that and your thoughts are are written down and you're the one who had to literally in in many

01:00:30.900 case dodge spears thrown at you right you're you're the one who who and and and you could 0.79

01:00:36.220 have just wiped them all out but you didn't because you wanted to spread the christian

01:00:40.120 gospel and you wanted to be benevolent and you actually protected them from themselves and from

01:00:45.280 neighboring tribes that were at war constantly endless wars you you actually were benevolent

01:00:49.900 you were kind like i'm thinking of columbus you know these kinds of guys you were benevolent

01:00:54.480 you were kind altruistic and more than all that more important than all that you were an evangelist

01:00:59.400 and you shared with them the heart of jesus christ while also just writing down objectively

01:01:05.420 in a scientific way what you observed and what you observed at that time was that your people

01:01:12.100 and your culture were superior vastly superior to theirs and and because of your work your altruism

01:01:18.640 your benevolence your kindness and your christian faith and work of evangelism among these people

01:01:24.200 over the next 400 years 500 years god in his mercy and grace many of those people

01:01:30.960 uh are elevated and cultures are are radically elevated and and developed and now after they're

01:01:38.180 developed now we go back and say oh wasn't it racist of christopher columbus to say xyz wasn't

01:01:44.760 it racist of david like what a just a jerk thing of us to that's just yeah i like it's one of the

01:01:53.080 common themes i think people probably pick up with right response ministries but um man i just i 0.66

01:01:57.840 don't know i i red pilled pretty hard in 2020 and then a lot of people that that was it you know

01:02:02.760 they're like i'm you know i'm just not going to be woke you know and um i'm not going to be woke

01:02:06.720 and i'm not going to wear a mask and and then that was kind of the extent of their journey and

01:02:10.380 but for me it was like 2020 like you know i was already taking some red pills leading up to that

01:02:14.940 so that that might have been the problem but i was already on this train and then 2020 was a big a

01:02:19.820 big red pill but then they just kept coming and for me like i'm at the point now where i feel like

01:02:24.360 when I think of, you know, what are guiding principles for life? You know, what are like

01:02:27.880 strong, innate core convictions? One of them for me is, I want for me and my wife and my children

01:02:36.780 and my church that I pastor and my descendants and great-grandchildren, I want us to be a family

01:02:44.200 and a people that no matter how much gaslighting,

01:02:49.540 no matter how subversive the psyop,

01:02:54.640 no matter how convincing the narrative,

01:02:57.300 I want me and my house to be the type of people

01:03:03.060 who cannot ever be convinced to hate our fathers.

01:03:08.440 I feel like that's a commitment.

01:03:10.800 It's similar.

01:03:11.980 It's not the same, not on the same level, not even close.

01:03:14.200 But similar to when I became a Christian,

01:03:17.180 as for me in my house, we will fear the Lord.

01:03:20.840 And my descendants in my house,

01:03:22.960 we are going to serve the Lord.

01:03:25.660 And it doesn't matter what, you know,

01:03:27.300 James Lindsay, 1990s, new atheist comes our way.

01:03:30.500 They're not going to be able to convince us to hate Jesus.

01:03:34.320 We love Jesus.

01:03:36.360 And in a similar fashion, a lower degree in terms of priority,

01:03:41.400 but same principle similar principle concept as i'm older now i i feel a similar zeal in saying

01:03:49.040 um i i will not hate my fathers i just i won't i won't hate them uh they were good men and uh and

01:03:56.280 the reality is they were flawed men but they were good men and they're better than the men we have

01:04:00.040 today and and if we ever are going to criticize guys like dabney um i think we're going to have

01:04:06.640 to wait a couple generations we're gonna have to wait a couple a couple centuries until we have

01:04:12.600 the caliber of men who are qualified to criticize dabney because currently in 2024 with a bunch of 0.99

01:04:19.520 queers i'm sorry the queer generation does not get to criticize dabney right so we're gonna need 0.98

01:04:27.260 better men for that i wanted to add that was great i do want to add one note to the person who asked

01:04:32.320 Why the sudden anti-colonial sentiment?

01:04:35.660 You mentioned some of the cultural changes, Britain holding together an empire.

01:04:40.360 But man, World War I and World War II, politically it did a number on the way we used to think, but also theologically.

01:04:46.740 Towards the end of the 18th, 19th century, so late 1800s in the U.S., you have efforts beginning to revise the Westminster standards to get more of God's love in there and less of his judgment.

01:04:56.840 The Enlightenment does a number.

01:04:58.300 You have humanism doing a number.

01:04:59.720 and then the horror of world war one that goes right against communism so you have then you

01:05:05.320 have millions that die we think we're civilized right so we're we're spreading the gospel we're

01:05:09.860 sending missionaries like we've done this a horrific war tears apart europe and then communism 0.58

01:05:15.260 you have half of the world shut off in communism and then 20 years later you have world war ii

01:05:19.920 that's why the swith swiss theologian carl bart he writes the epistle to the romans and it's so

01:05:25.180 radical because to men in those days, after all of that destruction, God was just something that

01:05:30.460 was like very imminent, maybe a little bit better than us on his best day, but he wasn't the

01:05:34.760 transcendent, wholly different God. And that's kind of Bart obviously overcorrects to the other

01:05:39.500 end. But theologically too, we lost so much of what we had from the Reformation due to the

01:05:44.760 Enlightenment, due to humanism, due to these wars. And so then you get to the 60s and people

01:05:49.320 no longer believe we're a force for good. So as Britain lets go of these colonies, as their empire

01:05:54.000 shrinks are we really that much of a force for good is there really a great commission to be

01:05:58.580 fulfilled is it really worth holding all of that together so think about too how world war one and

01:06:02.740 world war two and communism how all of those then created the seedbed that by the 1950s 1960s war

01:06:09.940 in vietnam war in korea and that's also like british like just with eschatology like that's

01:06:15.240 when post mill right like takes you can look at like post mill trending up you know and like many

01:06:19.780 of the puritans were post-millennial and then but then it's like when you know when did uh

01:06:23.740 post-millennialism uh just become the minority eschatological position and and the rise of

01:06:30.000 dispensationalism is yes schofield and yeah that you know mid mid 1800s um that that's you know

01:06:35.700 there's a rise there uh but then there's also this massive drop um after two world wars yeah yeah you

01:06:42.180 know like like everybody went to war they saw incredible atrocities and a lot of people came

01:06:46.540 back and they're like there is no god you know like this is just the end is near and there's a

01:06:51.180 very reductionistic model of evangelism where they got this idea that if we if we just finish

01:06:55.720 up right we we brought the ball to the 10 yard line if we finish up and evangelize the rest of

01:07:00.100 the world like when the gospel has been heard by all the world that's when the end will come right

01:07:03.800 man we're within like 10 years of it so let's just you know top three things jesus died for you

01:07:08.900 you're a sinner trust in him let's go out and do that destroyed our evangelism because we didn't

01:07:13.680 Give them a rooted, grounded, not just faith, but civilization, a way of life, all of Christ. 0.88

01:07:19.420 It wasn't about that.

01:07:20.200 It was just like, let's make sure the savages ask Jesus into their heart, and they can keep 0.95

01:07:24.660 living in the mud huts. 0.97

01:07:25.780 Show them the Jesus movie, get some raised hands. 0.99

01:07:27.700 Right. 0.54

01:07:28.000 We did it. 0.98

01:07:28.600 And they can stay in the mud huts, and maybe we'll also send some money and some doctors

01:07:32.740 for immediate diseases.

01:07:34.420 If they have malaria, we'd like them to live.

01:07:37.020 But we're not thinking of how to transform them for the next 500 years.

01:07:41.020 We're not, we're not thinking, we're thinking the personal Christian gospel for the soul

01:07:45.940 and some immediate physical needs, like some shoes, some food, and some vaccines, which

01:07:51.900 turns out they didn't need, you know, but some kind of medical assistance.

01:07:56.880 But we weren't thinking, we weren't thinking about, and how will they have highways?

01:08:03.480 Yep.

01:08:04.240 150 years.

01:08:04.940 And to be fair.

01:08:05.680 I'm not sure the missionaries themselves are the ones to do that.

01:08:08.820 No, I'm not saying that.

01:08:09.600 they didn't plant that seed that that we're evangelizing you young man you became a christian

01:08:16.460 what is your how is your nation getting more civilized and christian in four generations

01:08:21.520 right right like that seed was not planted and then the best of them you know the best of of

01:08:26.500 different peoples from all over the earth yeah they came here they leave yeah like that's part

01:08:32.140 of it too is like and you think of this happens this is a phenomenon i've been thinking about

01:08:36.220 this too but this is a phenomenon even like in our country so you can be on a global scale or even

01:08:40.420 just a national scale so like have you are you guys familiar with the concept of iq shredders

01:08:44.360 shredders yeah shredders um so like it's you know the idea that basically like uh your your highest

01:08:51.760 functioning highest caliber people um are usually going to go to big cities um and the reason why

01:08:58.420 is because that's where the most opportunity within their field is going to be so in terms

01:09:02.120 of universities uh universities are you know usually not in the middle of nowhere the most

01:09:06.540 prestigious universities because you want to study under you know the the most um you know

01:09:11.060 credentialed so-and-so professor who's written you know this many volumes on this topic or whatever

01:09:15.800 um that he's going to be at this university this big university it's not going to be in timbuktu

01:09:19.900 it's going to be in manhattan or it's going to be you know uh chicago or you know some and so

01:09:24.220 that's the university level but then also you know industry and so like you're going to get a job and

01:09:28.760 then you also just uh the things that you know would attract you know high functioning you know

01:09:33.520 highly intelligent people like uh symphonies and operas like like nathan over there in the closet

01:09:39.580 like his you know his uh nathan's our technician um uh his brother you know who um and nathan is

01:09:46.600 a family member so we're cousins and so uh his brother my cousin um is an incredibly incredibly

01:09:53.600 gifted and talented and and intelligent um pianist um but he you know his whole life until

01:10:00.660 very recently he well sadly he finally had to kind of leave because you just you you have to leave

01:10:05.400 and part of that's just because of the decline of western civilization like you can't be he would

01:10:10.700 play for symphonies and he would play you know he's played at the the lincoln what is it nate

01:10:15.100 the lincoln lincoln center you know all these different places um and and so his his whole

01:10:23.100 young adult life was you know after getting his phd and all these like was just basically every

01:10:27.660 six months to to a year he has to go somewhere else you know and he's following an orchestra

01:10:32.720 around or following a symphony and it's only a few cities like he he's going to be in new york

01:10:37.200 he's going to be you know in san francisco he's going to and my point is he's going to be in um

01:10:44.220 he's limited to a very very limited scope he's not he's not going to get to um he's never going

01:10:51.300 to get to live in georgetown right you know um he's he's not he's he's not going to spend uh he's

01:10:57.080 not going to have any of his tenure be in oklahoma we'll say that and yeah i love oklahoma you know

01:11:01.600 but it's just it's not going to happen not with that not with that his his vocation his field and

01:11:06.640 so you're going to those kinds of places but then in those kinds of places um you're you're pursuing

01:11:11.880 you know uh universities pursuing certain fields and and then pursuing arts and philosophy and all

01:11:17.580 the in cuisine and all the kinds of things that big cities have to offer and but then that kind

01:11:22.940 of life it wasn't always this way but that kind of life became um it became incompatible with uh

01:11:30.760 child rearing with family with marriage and children so these people pursuing phds which

01:11:37.640 take time so like you're not you're you're you're you're in school until you're 27 28 29 30 years

01:11:43.620 old if you start early enough if you start early enough so that whole time you're in school you're

01:11:48.280 not making money you're accruing debt and then you've got to get out of debt um and so now you're

01:11:54.540 trying to get out of debt and let's let's be honest like a lot of these people like highly

01:11:58.780 intelligent people but it doesn't necessarily um pay a lot right like you know if you're a piano

01:12:03.840 performance guy like right you know you're working for peanuts and and why and why is that not a

01:12:08.980 viable vocation um because um c.a we are a nation of degenerates people are listening to

01:12:17.960 i don't know i don't know who do they listen to now who's a they're listening to taylor swift

01:12:23.420 you know or and and that might even be on the better end other than you know maybe the divine

01:12:28.660 feminine and goddess worship but uh which is kind of a big one but i you know like hip-hop and rap

01:12:33.960 you know which um it's like hip-hop right this is just subjective nope uh it's absolutely

01:12:38.360 objective hip-hop and rap is inferior it's absolutely inferior to opera to symphonies

01:12:43.980 to um and it is it is degrading um it absolutely has degraded western civilization um that like

01:12:51.660 music actually does matter it actually does matter and so we have debased our appetites

01:12:56.740 and and uh and so there's there's no my point is there is there's no market there's no market

01:13:02.740 for symphonies except for you know three or four cities in the country and and it's even there it's

01:13:08.560 dying it's like 90 year old women right and the only way it's surviving is because they were super 0.98

01:13:12.940 rich and they have trust set up so that you know because they believe that the next generation

01:13:16.980 they'd like to see one opera you know that their grandkids might be able to watch you know which

01:13:21.840 is somewhat of a noble endeavor these you know some of these rich benefactors that leave you know

01:13:26.540 an endowment to you know the the san francisco you know symphony but then here's the problem 1.00

01:13:32.760 all the musicians there in the san francisco uh symphony they're all they're all queers and so 1.00

01:13:39.120 none of them have kids right so that like they play beautiful music for one generation and never 1.00

01:13:43.220 have kids because they all want to have butt sex and then and then the symphony's dead and so my 0.98

01:13:48.440 point is the iq iq shredder kind of mentality is that basically it takes our best and our brightest 1.00

01:13:54.700 and takes them to hell holes, 0.85

01:13:56.920 blue, progressive, big city hell holes 0.95

01:14:00.360 that are designed,

01:14:02.500 they're literally designed to be incompatible

01:14:04.580 to family, marriage, and children.

01:14:06.340 And so your brightest, your 160, 170 IQ people

01:14:10.100 don't procreate.

01:14:11.660 They don't have children.

01:14:13.180 And who does have children is a bunch of farmers. 0.97

01:14:18.400 God bless them.

01:14:18.940 And I'm not seeing this as a negative thing,

01:14:21.300 but a bunch of, it's more blue collar people.

01:14:24.700 that will have families will have children will raise them in the fear and admonition of the lord

01:14:29.720 to where they actually value marriage and family they have children and so there's something to be

01:14:33.880 said for like within and i don't know how it happened or why it happened it's something i'm

01:14:37.540 exploring but western civilization there there was like a like a a bell curve i think of um even

01:14:45.280 not just christianity and the religious side of things but even at the side of intelligence of

01:14:49.700 like uh growing within western civilization more and more brilliant people more innovations more

01:14:55.600 uh inventors and more scientists and more philosophers and and it's getting because

01:15:00.760 marriage and family was normative within the culture but now that academia and and the the

01:15:07.340 more uh the higher institutions and elements of culture have normalized um perpetual single

01:15:14.180 singleness and um that then your your brightest people um don't procreate and and and so now uh

01:15:23.620 i i think not only do we have actually a decline because we're under the the you know the

01:15:28.920 replacement rate of reproduction uh so not only a population decline which presents its own problems

01:15:34.300 but also uh iq you can map it uh lifespans have been going to we hit the high the high mark

01:15:40.920 in western uh lifespans are decreasing for the first time um in in centuries um and iq is

01:15:48.600 decreasing and i think what i just said the iq shredder mentality is i think one uh has some

01:15:53.220 explanatory power for that um and and then of course uh uh church attendance and and religion

01:15:59.400 is decreasing and then over up a young young men though young men are an actual bright spot and

01:16:05.180 that's because of people like us yeah it really is i'm not trying to brag but it's because

01:16:09.240 of people like us who say we're not going to be big eva we're not going to despair as young men

01:16:13.740 and we're going to talk to them right um but but iq declining lifespan declining and then overarching

01:16:19.060 uh population declining and then on the macro scale uh with if you think of the world as a

01:16:24.720 whole so that's just within our country uh but then if you think of the world as a whole your

01:16:29.080 best and brightest they they they leave uganda they don't like they we we go in a we have you

01:16:35.780 know it's one thing to colonize that i think can there's merits right especially christian

01:16:41.280 colonization you can look and say there's a lot of great fruit and argue that it's part of the

01:16:46.360 christian gospel to go and do that again and it's not going to be a 20-year project but centuries

01:16:50.700 to eventually people are capable of self-governance um and and that's a great thing um that said

01:16:56.300 though there's a difference between colonized christian colonization and um and uh secular

01:17:02.240 culling yep culling is different c-u-l-l-i-n-g yeah yeah it's different than um colonization

01:17:09.620 uh colonization is pushing civilization into other geographic regions and nations and peoples

01:17:15.300 uh culling is coming in doing something getting some oil and and killing one dictator so that a

01:17:23.340 worse one can take a space you know and being there for 20 years and then leaving them with

01:17:27.920 billions of dollars of, of, of weapon grade, you know, uh, military grade weaponry, uh, to be sold 0.87

01:17:33.840 on the black market, you know, that ultimate, like, so that we can now see, you know, uh, Iran,

01:17:39.160 uh, my tax dollars in Israel also somehow my tax dollars, you know? Um, and so, you know, like,

01:17:45.540 so that's what we do now instead of 200 year, uh, colonization projects, we do 20 year in the name

01:17:51.840 of benevolence where we really just come in we get some oil we uh we uh uh end a war start a worse

01:17:58.200 war and then and then take the best and brightest out with us so the guys who helped us who who

01:18:04.200 were translators you know learn the language who learned the language so now uh the best people

01:18:09.760 uh come out and if we won't let them out they try to get out by hanging on to the wheel wells

01:18:14.380 of the airplane like we saw like which is tragic you know um but my point is and and then afghanistan 1.00

01:18:20.920 just becomes a hell hole you know and same as it was 20 years ago when we burned billions of 0.96

01:18:26.160 dollars our sons our sons died and our daughters because we're wicked and we send daughters to war

01:18:31.560 but um but our sons and daughters died um and billions of taxpayers you know we used the tax

01:18:37.740 farm of america and wasted their money so wasted lives wasted money and uh and the final thing is

01:18:43.460 it ends up being uh just as bad if not give it time i predict it might be worse um you know and

01:18:50.060 And so my point is, and the IQ shredder, you take the, you know,

01:18:58.040 a J.D. Vance is a perfect example, actually.

01:19:01.560 And now by God's grace, he's procreating. 1.00

01:19:05.820 I wish it was a Christian woman and not a Hindu woman. 1.00

01:19:10.240 Is she Christian? 1.00

01:19:11.260 Does she convert to Catholicism?

01:19:12.760 She attends Mass with him.

01:19:14.700 But does she still maintain?

01:19:15.820 Is it like Vivek, who's like, which God, Vivek?

01:19:18.720 Yeah.

01:19:19.120 which of the three million guys i don't think she's converted and he got serious about his

01:19:23.120 faith a little later so it might be something where give it time realizes i married an unbeliever

01:19:28.000 so we'll give it to yeah so he probably yeah he probably did that without realizing that you know

01:19:31.780 but hopefully she converts if she hasn't already and becomes a christian and then great um but my

01:19:37.200 point is that uh most most examples of your jd vance type like jd vance is probably a pretty

01:19:44.960 high iq the dude yeah seems sharp like i bet he's probably 160 you know something something

01:19:51.280 140 150 okay one get a little weird at 160 yeah the wheels off the car you can't communicate with

01:19:58.140 normal people that's true he he talks to uh he ironically much to the chagrin of the the leftist

01:20:05.440 jd is not that weird right right if he if he was as weird as they said then he might be like 171

01:20:11.540 yeah but so you're right but the point is here's a brilliant guy from flyover country

01:20:15.540 and um and he's not going to stay stay there and he doesn't have to he's because he's going to do

01:20:22.300 by god's grace hopefully more good for flyover country than than he would if he stayed um but

01:20:27.320 most people like that the point is most people like that they move to the cities they get

01:20:31.920 vasectomies yep they uh they never marry they hook up and sleep around and write you know for

01:20:38.700 scientific journals and and then that their high iq dies with them and it's not biologically passed

01:20:45.020 down to anybody else and then the rest of the world same thing the best and the brightest

01:20:47.920 we take them out of their countries and so we actually are on a path right now so yes it's

01:20:53.260 first and foremost about the gospel it's first and foremost about religion the spiritual aspect

01:20:57.440 but that's one of the marks i think is quickly becoming maybe it wasn't from the beginning but

01:21:02.380 maybe like i said i'm just red pilling i think that's becoming one of the marks of this ministry

01:21:06.520 of Right Response Ministries, is never over and against the gospel

01:21:11.480 and the spiritual reality.

01:21:13.000 The world is not just stuff.

01:21:14.280 But we're saying alongside it is nature.

01:21:17.940 And nature is just undefeated.

01:21:21.980 You're not going to defeat nature.

01:21:24.660 And Gnosticism does not work, and pietism does not work.

01:21:27.740 It's God's truth, which is a spiritual reality and timeless and eternal,

01:21:31.640 but then in his created order and and and the natural peace um it's it's not going away so we

01:21:39.760 have to find a way with the christian gospel to work with nature and not against it working with

01:21:45.760 god's design and what the fabric that he's built into the world and when you look at that it means

01:21:50.800 yeah let's go and do the work of evangelists and preach the gospel um but it also means yeah it's

01:21:56.360 going to be 200 year works not 20 year works it's going to be colonization it's going to be 0.55

01:22:01.200 and it can't just be iq shredders and and calling the best and brightest and then teaching them a 0.88

01:22:08.000 godless worldview of secularism to where they don't procreate we are right now uh in a natural

01:22:13.480 sense we are on uh we are we're on a death sentence we are are spiraling into lower lifespans

01:22:21.200 lower populations and lower iq i don't know about you but that doesn't sound like like a win that

01:22:28.220 that sounds pretty negative and so those things have to be fixed and it and and it's not going

01:22:34.020 to be just um uh the romans wrote in personal evangelism like that doesn't like these conversations

01:22:42.240 have to happen these kinds of conversations of of nature and civilization and iq and government

01:22:49.540 um and and even getting into things like like what we've talked about in the past like talking

01:22:55.020 about health and like uh that we shouldn't be fat and right um these kinds of things over time

01:23:00.860 like there's a reason i like the last thing i said i know i've been talking too much last thing i'll

01:23:06.120 say is this um the gospel affects everything we all say that we all we believe that but we but

01:23:14.100 do we like because when i say the gospel affects everything i'm talking highways and cathedrals

01:23:19.060 and philosophy and art but i'm also talking about one thing that it certainly affects is

01:23:23.340 food diet religion is uh or to say the opposite way diet what people eat what cultures eat

01:23:32.080 is incredibly religious always has been like in india not not everyone in india but

01:23:40.180 india is a pretty big place what a billion people 1.3 yeah 1.3 billion people there are millions

01:23:47.020 and millions and millions and millions of indians who um are using cow feces not eating the cow one 0.82

01:23:55.320 of the most nutritious animals out there because making use of the feces right so we're going to 0.98

01:23:59.480 use the the the cow crap uh but we won't eat the cow right that's religious that's religious 0.89

01:24:07.000 that is religious cannibalism like we already talked about it was in worship of demons 0.99

01:24:12.320 religious uh so whether you're eating other people or eating or using cow feces but but

01:24:21.320 missing the cow like all these are religious things and and so then back to my point of the

01:24:27.500 gospel change and everything what happens like honestly like what happens over generations

01:24:33.040 generations centuries of um i mean one of the big things with england that that made you know

01:24:40.260 made it superior and it was and it's all related to religion and christianity it was

01:24:44.560 as christianity took over and there was innovations one great innovation was the sewer system

01:24:49.980 yep uh it turns out a whole lot of less people die if if a society doesn't have trash laying

01:24:57.520 everywhere like we talk about oh our carbon emissions and you know it's just not fair you

01:25:01.980 know because we have such a developed world but we're making the world work nah you you go watch

01:25:06.840 of video of the rest of the world they're literally wading through bottles of trash

01:25:12.700 like they literally like walking it's just in the streets everywhere everywhere no no it's it's not

01:25:19.500 like oh but you know but your pollution with your factories they are burning trash um if and that's

01:25:26.020 if they take the time to burn it uh most of the time it's just sitting there or in the ocean

01:25:32.480 or in the u.s sending piles and islands of trash islands it's the eastern world mostly yes the 0.91

01:25:39.940 non-christian world um is is it's a hellscape that is the factory settings the factory settings

01:25:47.080 apart from jesus is a hellscape and so at every level my point is um with uh communicable diseases

01:25:54.920 a lack of sanitation lack of functioning sewer systems lack of medicine lack of nutrition and 0.97

01:26:01.160 all this being religious eating cow dung instead of cow pretty basic but religious right all of it 0.65

01:26:09.160 is religious what does that do and you might say well that doesn't have an effect what does it do

01:26:13.540 over 10 generations yep would that affect um your great great great great grandchildren's health

01:26:20.400 yes could it affect in terms of their health could it affect their uh like every part of their body

01:26:28.160 including their brain yes could affect their capacity with with their mind to have high

01:26:36.660 intellect and high functioning and yes is joel right now making an argument for the christian

01:26:42.380 gospel affecting iqs over the course of a millennium yeah the psalm 19 the law of the

01:26:48.100 lord makes wise the simple yes yeah yes so we we're what we're playing for keeps is what i'm

01:26:54.280 saying this is this is a the fight that we're fighting against marxism communism the left um

01:27:01.380 the the third world fighting for the third world but also in some sense against the third world

01:27:07.960 but for but for their their their good and for their welfare this is um this is a fight uh winner

01:27:14.320 keep keep all this is a fight to the death um we're this is not just so that uh people will go

01:27:20.340 to church on sunday right but here's the thing it all starts with people going to church on sunday

01:27:26.480 the beachhead is the christian church right and out of that little thing that the west and our

01:27:32.040 secular humanism has decided doesn't really matter uh with the loss of that has been the loss of

01:27:37.860 everything else and we will fall just like the rest of the world with and it's already happening

01:27:43.400 with lifespans and iqs and population um unless unless we repent of our sins and turn to christ 0.67

01:27:50.540 and when we have i think of what jesus says to peter you'll deny me three times

01:27:54.920 um you know and and or he says satan has asked to sift you like wheat but i have prayed for you

01:28:01.460 and when you um and when you have been strengthened after you've fallen you've been restored

01:28:05.740 then go and strengthen your brothers also the west needs to be restored my prayer is that christ

01:28:12.900 in his priestly prayers would sustain the christian west amen and that we would be strengthened even

01:28:18.560 though satan has been actively seeking to sift us like wheat but that we'd be strengthened by

01:28:23.020 christ returned to christ and after we have returned that we would go and strengthen our

01:28:27.500 brothers also meaning our our brothers in india our brothers and and all all over the world in

01:28:32.680 uganda and and burkina fasa and and that we would go and strengthen our brothers also and that the

01:28:38.220 entire world would rise and experience the kind of christendom that and and knowing that for many

01:28:43.720 of our brothers uh it's going to take centuries but that we would come alongside them as kind of

01:28:48.240 like the scaffolding you know like the the brace supports that they can't and i'm not trying to be

01:28:53.440 demeaning but this is just they can't do it they can't do it not for a while um but we can brace

01:28:59.720 them until they can't until they and and that's that is what we've seen for 2 000 years of history

01:29:06.620 and the spread of the Christian gospel

01:29:08.700 and with it, the spread of innovation,

01:29:11.300 of civilization,

01:29:13.300 of the very life from the dead.

01:29:15.640 And I want to see that happen again,

01:29:18.000 but it's not going to happen

01:29:18.780 until one, we repent of our sin

01:29:20.080 and turn to the Christian gospel.

01:29:21.500 And two, we have to be able

01:29:23.780 to put on our big boy pants

01:29:25.740 and have a serious talk about nature.

01:29:27.580 We have to be able to say,

01:29:28.620 yeah, not all nations are currently equal.

01:29:31.300 Yeah, not all cultures are equal.

01:29:35.240 uh yeah um cannibalism is inferior to um to soufflés like and if we until we can serious 0.55

01:29:44.380 have serious conversations about these and that's one of the marks i hope by god's grace of this

01:29:49.340 ministry whether it's you know i i know that we upset people you know with the controversy but

01:29:54.260 we don't want to be unhinged we want to be godly we want to be rooted in scripture but we do want

01:29:58.200 to be the kind of ministry that will talk about something that everyone else is thinking about

01:30:01.780 like israel or that everyone else is thinking about like racism or that everyone else like

01:30:07.320 we want to be able to talk about those things and talk about them in christian ways christian

01:30:12.060 ways not pagan ways we don't want to talk about it the way that um the the way that you know some

01:30:18.000 some of the you know uh a guy like you know like bronze age pervert or you know i i don't hold

01:30:24.080 his views um but he is noticing something that's real and so we want to go or the red pill guys 0.65

01:30:30.740 right like they're they're giving the wrong solutions but they are right and recognizing

01:30:35.320 yeah it is incredibly dangerous for a man to get married today and have kids and and and the

01:30:40.760 the big eva uh solution to that to just say well the red red pill guy you know like that's not 0.96

01:30:48.120 they just don't get it they don't get it women are great no they're not no they're not women today

01:30:55.340 um that in general not talking about every single woman i married one she's great my wife is great

01:31:02.060 uh women are not my wife's great your wife's great your wife's great but women on the whole

01:31:07.140 are not and my point is men aren't aren't doing too fabulous either um but but the point is that

01:31:12.480 um we are so so drenched in feminism that uh that right now it is uh you are taking the moment you

01:31:20.240 say i do and choose to get married you have just given over to this woman who has been indoctrinated

01:31:26.160 by feminism from the womb you have just given to her legal and financial right over your entire 1.00

01:31:32.780 life the entire court systems in our nation are geared towards her the entire financial incentives 1.00

01:31:37.480 in our nation are geared towards her everything's like you are literally uh casting yourself at her 0.98

01:31:43.340 mercy and the red pill guys are right that is a massive risk she will be able to ruin your life

01:31:47.600 you do it the moment you enter marriage and that that's when you you start the process of of casting

01:31:52.320 yourself at her mercy and then especially the moment you have a kid as soon as you have a kid

01:31:55.940 uh she she has if she wants to if she if she wants to uh to utilize this power legally financially 1.00

01:32:02.980 culturally the moment that you have a kid with her she owns you she owns you and she can enslave you 1.00

01:32:08.960 and ruin your life the rest of your life cause you to go bankrupt make sure that you can't ever 0.67

01:32:13.200 be employed make sure everything she can ruin your that's that's where we currently live um 0.77

01:32:18.200 that's what we chose we chose feminism and so uh the the big eva and medieval for that matter the

01:32:23.700 typical evangelical christian response to that um young men are just not gonna that that doesn't

01:32:30.620 help them to say well just um just servant leadership a little bit harder you know just

01:32:37.320 happy wife, happy life a little bit harder. Just lay your life down for your bride as Christ, 0.60

01:32:43.380 like a little bit harder. No, we've got to also talk about the sins of women. And we've got to 1.00

01:32:52.080 call women to repentance. And we've got to be able to talk about all these things. And so anyways, 0.97

01:32:58.100 I just think that that, to me, is shaping up to be a consistent theme and a mark of why I think

01:33:04.740 this ministry continues to grow and be a blessing to people is because we're willing to talk about

01:33:09.580 spiritual matters alongside that which is natural and recognizing that the two are not opposed to

01:33:16.000 one another. Grace does not destroy nature, but elevates and restores nature. And having real

01:33:22.540 conversations with nature about men and women, about different races, about like these things

01:33:32.400 have to be talked about and you've got uh the the the right far right wing cesspool online that

01:33:40.220 talks about them but it's it's christless it's godless and then you've got the christians but

01:33:46.600 they they won't address it at all and when they do it's just it's a it's a some little pietistic

01:33:53.300 um cliche that just drenched in apologies and they just having yeah that just glosses over

01:33:59.720 and just says you know really everybody's you know like like the disparity between crime you

01:34:04.040 know in america with you know different demographics it's just it's really just because

01:34:08.540 at the end of the day you know christians haven't done a good enough job and you know it's mainly

01:34:13.620 white people's fault right it's like is it though is it can we talk about there are massive

01:34:21.700 disparities we have to be able to talk about these things and then we need to talk about them

01:34:26.680 in Christian ways with a solution.

01:34:29.440 And colonization, I feel like, fits into that theme.

01:34:32.480 Like, I feel like that's in our wheelhouse.

01:34:33.980 You guys came up with the idea.

01:34:35.200 It's Columbus Day on Monday.

01:34:36.780 It's a perfect fit. 1.00

01:34:37.920 Like, that's, you know, everybody's saying,

01:34:40.040 well, this is bad.

01:34:40.960 And I'm looking at the world, I'm saying,

01:34:43.000 right about the time we started deciding

01:34:45.040 that colonization was oppressive,

01:34:47.000 it was also right about the time that IQs went down,

01:34:49.220 lifespans went down, population went down,

01:34:50.900 and things, you know, and we started, you know,

01:34:54.740 uh having furries um so i i think you know make colonization great again

01:35:01.540 it's how it's not just all right we're not going to rebrand it to indigenous people's day we're

01:35:05.940 not going to make right it's a bad guy it's an actual positive celebration yeah it's not just

01:35:09.620 the negative well we're not going to tear him down we're not going to get rid of his statute

01:35:12.820 we're not going to rename the holiday don't do those things and positively not all the time

01:35:17.780 i think maybe one in about 365 days you know thank god for the men yeah think about this

01:35:22.980 set sail across an ocean with no idea what was on the other side.

01:35:26.700 Thank God for that spirit of adventure and for saying,

01:35:29.040 and I'm going to do it and I'm going to bring the Christian gospel with me.

01:35:31.900 I'm going to bring, as it were, expand the kingdom of God.

01:35:34.960 I think this is good to take one day a year and say,

01:35:36.780 praise God for Columbus and for those men and for that spirit.

01:35:40.700 Yeah.

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01:38:20.880 paxmail.cc. Again, that's paxmail.cc. All right. Well, welcome back. We had a good question. So

01:38:34.820 this is from Semper Reformanda. He asked, why, I'm just kind of paraphrasing,

01:38:41.140 Why isn't it that the founders, why is it that the founders, they weren't more, yes, the American founders, the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, why weren't they more explicit about the specifically Christian nature of the United States?

01:38:54.040 Like, doesn't that seem like if they were all Christian, we had this robust Christian founding, that in our Constitution, in our foundational documents, they would have imbued it with language about the Lord Jesus, language of the Trinity, that wouldn't that have been more present?

01:39:07.240 And we were talking about it.

01:39:09.180 I think there's two kind of things that cause them to have to take some broader language.

01:39:13.820 The only reference you would have to God would be in the Constitution that all men are created by their creator with inalienable rights.

01:39:22.600 To get some of that language in there, the creator, that's about the only acknowledgement.

01:39:26.440 One of them is the Enlightenment.

01:39:28.280 There's, coming from the French Revolution, there is a starting to have a turning away from God, a turning away from,

01:39:34.460 it's kind of this idea that we can use reason to arrive at these conclusions of spiritual and

01:39:39.800 natural things. We don't need the scriptures. So first it's, well, they're kind of on par, right?

01:39:43.900 Scripture, nature, natural revelation, they teach us equally. And then they kind of let the scripture

01:39:48.960 fall out of the way. And it's all reason and it's all nature and it's all reasoning to these

01:39:52.240 conclusions. So the Enlightenment does a number on that. And many of these men, some of these men,

01:39:56.800 they felt, well, we don't need scriptures. And deism is a valid premise for a nation.

01:40:04.460 So some of the founders, some of them were seminarians, a small number, some of them

01:40:08.220 were deists, and that meant the second element, so first element, you have the enlightenment,

01:40:12.440 you have the receding of Christianity, the second element is you, it's tough to bring

01:40:17.380 coalitions of people together.

01:40:19.160 So you had 39 signers out of the 55 delegates, it's tough to get 40, almost 40 people to

01:40:25.680 come together and agree, and so to broadly kind of get as many to sign, get the Constitution

01:40:30.060 ratified, I think there was definitely some concession, whereas those that had seminary

01:40:34.240 degrees, those that were staunch Christians, which were many of them. Washington was a little

01:40:38.940 too private about his faith. I wish he had been more like Lee or Jackson. So some of the guys 0.75

01:40:43.580 are willing to say, hey, we can keep it broad. But what this does, though, because we don't have

01:40:48.240 that language you see in some court cases, like Holy Trinity versus United States, it's more

01:40:52.580 difficult later on for the United States to hold to and justify that Christian foundation that we

01:40:59.800 all know we had there were state churches in many of the original colonies we've been a christian

01:41:04.940 nation without question since our inception but that that not getting the language in there not

01:41:09.980 explicitly calling out by name not just the creator but the lord jesus christ and the triune god

01:41:15.440 those things they've cost us and now it's more deniable that yeah well maybe we were always just

01:41:22.440 kind of a broadly deistic liberty fraternity justice for all kind of hodgepodge of people

01:41:28.240 So it was a compromise, I would say, stemming apart from the Enlightenment, stemming apart from pragmatic needs, and it goes on to hurt us in the long run.

01:41:37.060 I hear what you're saying, Wes. I have just one counterfactual for that, is that Canada was an explicitly Christian charter from the beginning. 0.62

01:41:47.380 I mean, they quote Psalm 72, their mission statement was to extend the glory of Christ from sea to sea.

01:41:53.140 Like, that was in their original governmental charter.

01:41:56.860 But their charter doesn't have the teeth that the Constitution has.

01:41:59.880 I agree with that.

01:42:00.820 So my point is, they had explicitly Christian language,

01:42:05.100 and they have fallen faster than we did in a lot of ways. 0.94

01:42:08.440 So Canada's like Big Eva,

01:42:10.540 in the sense that wrapped in Christian language,

01:42:15.560 but the actual principles didn't actually articulate

01:42:18.740 and have as strong of a muscular defense for the freedom of men.

01:42:24.260 whereas like the constitution the principles are all christian deeply christian so better better

01:42:30.520 actually theological principles in the you know the american constitution um but but uh you know

01:42:38.000 these better principles but uh not um but not you know not the explicit christian language of you

01:42:44.600 know um the lord jesus christ the triune god uh those kinds of things and i you know i've thought

01:42:49.420 often like well if only they had written explicit things like defining marriage and the reality is

01:42:55.660 the other reality is evil and perverse ideas and wicked ideologies are always going to attack and

01:43:02.860 part of what happened was we stopped being vigilant right we stopped being vigilant and

01:43:08.060 um there's lots of reasons for that historically um but i think that the founders also couldn't

01:43:14.700 really imagine a time where the church wasn't fighting to keep people truly Christian. I don't

01:43:20.680 think they could have imagined a time when the church was flying rainbow flags and apostatizing

01:43:25.400 on mass. We're talking close to 98% of the United States was Christian in 1900. So 124 years ago,

01:43:33.780 basically could have been your great-grandparents. 99, 98, maybe 95% of the nation professing. Now,

01:43:40.480 regenerate would be a smaller subset of that but right probably the majority i would have to think

01:43:44.880 and what an incredible place yeah yeah i can answer this question so vlad yakobets yakobets

01:43:53.760 um was columbus jewish i'm 30 minutes into the stream may have missed the answer i did a little

01:43:59.220 bit of digging on this uh my background's in biology and genetics so when we say is someone

01:44:03.700 of a certain lineage of a certain race we're looking for genetic markers and so the big news

01:44:08.520 about columbus being jewish jewish was the presence of a haplogroup so this will be like

01:44:13.120 a group of genetics that are only signaturely carried with uh just certain individuals so if

01:44:17.980 only a certain lineage contains a certain genetic mutation and someone has that then you could say

01:44:22.500 at least part of their lineage was this as i understand it uh the haplogroup that have been

01:44:26.820 identified uh is is certainly many people who are jewish have it but it's also more broadly european

01:44:32.480 so we would say no it doesn't appear that he would have been there you go columbus he's not

01:44:39.120 a jew that's science yep um all right let's see um who is your best uh favorite colonizer

01:44:49.740 in history is another one of the questions i don't know i don't know columbus is pretty great

01:44:57.420 is pretty let's just honor him it's columbus day any other good questions nathan i think he already

01:45:02.960 put them up there okay all right okay cool all right well thank you guys so much for tuning in

01:45:09.280 while i have your attention we got 130 people uh right now on the live stream help us out uh go

01:45:14.140 ahead and like the video we have 88 likes i would love if we could go ahead and just get it to

01:45:18.220 i don't know 120 150 would be phenomenal so uh right now i know the stream is always a little

01:45:24.460 bit behind so by the time i'm saying this you will be hearing it about three minutes from now

01:45:30.300 or so but i'm going to keep saying it for a second and uh you guys are going to start liking the

01:45:35.000 video not just a thumbs up as a comment in the chat although that helps too so if you want to

01:45:40.200 be active in the chat that certainly helps if you want to put in a comment for the algorithm we

01:45:44.360 appreciate it but right now there it comes there it comes give us the thumbs up that means like

01:45:48.220 the video if you like this video it's going to trigger the algorithm it's going to get it out

01:45:51.920 to more people and uh guys again we're not we're not trying to be prideful we're not trying to be

01:45:58.320 arrogant um we're made from the dust there's there's nothing special about uh the three men

01:46:03.360 in this room um this is this is not uh making much of joel uh wes and michael um this is making much

01:46:12.440 of jesus on the one hand and on the second this is making little of the evangelical church as a whole

01:46:18.760 guys it is rough out there you guys know it you guys do you follow this ministry um because you

01:46:25.460 can't find a church you know or you follow this ministry because nobody else talks about these

01:46:31.200 kinds of things and by god's grace you know what there are you know if we were to do a follow

01:46:34.320 friday we'll call it a follow wednesday but uh john harris talks about these kinds of things

01:46:38.560 adi robles yeah talks about these kinds of things uh stephen wolf talks about these kinds of things

01:46:43.400 uh let me think who else uh andrew whisker and cj uh ingle on contramundum check them out uh

01:46:50.260 steven wolf has a youtube channel now so look up steven wolf and i just today i you know when i

01:46:55.120 was talking to him that was you know he's asking me for some some youtube uh advice uh but but

01:46:59.880 help him out the channel's small but steven wolf is um he's a sharp guy gosh he's brilliant and

01:47:05.060 and um well worth your time so check out steven wolf check out a contramundum check out conversations

01:47:11.100 that matter with John Harris.

01:47:13.620 Check out Aidy Robles.

01:47:15.020 Who else can we plug?

01:47:16.720 Center for Baptist Leadership.

01:47:18.280 Center for Baptist Leadership with William Wolfe.

01:47:21.100 He's doing great work.

01:47:22.100 Check him out.

01:47:23.700 Has Dusty Devers started his podcast yet?

01:47:25.840 He's going to for a while, I think.

01:47:27.600 So if he ever does, then check out Dusty Devers.

01:47:29.960 If not, feel free to move to Oklahoma

01:47:32.660 and vote for Dusty Devers.

01:47:34.820 He'll be up for re-election soon.

01:47:37.420 Backwards Belief.

01:47:38.100 Backwards Belief, yeah.

01:47:39.420 Jeff Wright.

01:47:40.320 Put out an episode.

01:47:41.100 yeah they do from like like once a month not super often but backwards belief um these guys

01:47:47.620 you know there's there's about i don't know 50 of us uh west probably like 50 of us that like

01:47:53.540 we try to we try to collaborate and stay just stay in relationship stay in friendship

01:47:58.180 and um and sharpen one another iron sharpens iron and um there's there's about 50 guys and

01:48:05.660 we've just named some of them but there are others that i would say man when i think about these

01:48:10.460 names these men um i feel um i feel particularly bullish on american christianity when i look

01:48:17.780 outside of those 50 names i get really really discouraged really discouraged uh but there are

01:48:24.220 some good guys so uh we got 92 people right now guys that that that's pretty weak um help us out

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01:50:06.820 uh we're uh in the works right now we've got some big things some of the things i can't really

01:50:11.020 talk about yet but we're we're building a new studio we're excited about that um we're hiring

01:50:16.680 um well michael and west we want to compensate them um nathan needs a raise and we want to get

01:50:23.960 an administrator, a part-time administrator with Right Response to help us. And so we're trying

01:50:30.240 to continue to grow. But basically what I've noticed, eventually I want to do a whole episode

01:50:35.740 on this. I told you guys about this, but I'll tease it right here at the end. I kind of want

01:50:40.160 to do like an episode where the thumbnail, it's like a silhouette with a question mark. And it

01:50:45.920 says uh the most um like the uh the most valuable person or that like you know envy uh mvp um in uh

01:50:53.860 in in all of christendom you know or in the new christendom and and basically the case that i

01:50:58.480 would make is and i know it sounds sappy uh but the case i would make is it's you and what i mean

01:51:03.760 by that is um the total state that like oran mcintyre talks about that the the regime the

01:51:11.000 left i mean it's just it's captured everything um and basically here's the deal it really is

01:51:18.620 playing for keeps i'm not trying to use hyperbolic language or or be exaggeratory uh but but really

01:51:24.440 being objective here um if you say the kinds of things you guys you guys have seen it just the

01:51:30.120 last week and a half and before that you know if you go back so you know two weeks ago it's this

01:51:35.260 you know and then two months ago it's uh joel talking about white and black doctors you know

01:51:39.380 like it's always something it's always something and um and all the things that i'm saying are

01:51:45.500 biblically defensible um they're they're not racist they're not anti-semitic they're not

01:51:52.040 misogynist right like the first thing that i first went viral for was um telling my wife that i didn't

01:51:58.460 want her to read a particular book and the larger point was talking about different spheres of

01:52:02.760 authority the state has authority over a lot of people but not that much authority and then you

01:52:07.140 know a church pastors have authority over less people but a little bit more authority and in a

01:52:11.600 home a father and a husband has a lot of authority and not just authority but also a responsibility a

01:52:17.240 duty to protect to provide and protect and that's physical and spiritual and part of that spiritual

01:52:22.500 protection is is being um being observant and and monitoring uh what is the spiritual intake uh the

01:52:31.840 spiritual diet of my children and my wife and my family. Well, I said that, and it went viral

01:52:38.240 because, you know, there was a pastor who was losing the debate about Christian nationalism

01:52:43.820 on the merits of the theological arguments. And when you can't, you know, beat me in a theological

01:52:48.340 argument, what you do is you take something that's not related to it whatsoever and try to make that

01:52:52.640 go viral. And so that was Andy Woodard. And so he shared that clip because he was losing the

01:52:57.480 conversation about christian nationalism in my book fight by flight and then you know that put

01:53:02.300 me on the map and people started canceling me because of that and then you know since then he's

01:53:06.880 completely you know blown up his life and is no longer pastoring that church and it's really sad

01:53:11.520 um less than a year from a front runner in the anti-christian nationalism discourse and now

01:53:16.920 extremely disqualified from ministry yep from ministry uh i'd like to say rare l but that

01:53:23.020 would be a common L. That's a common one. So lesson from that is one, be faithful to the

01:53:31.880 Lord and your family. And lesson number two, don't be an idiot and try to blow up other 1.00

01:53:38.100 people's ministries because vengeance belongs to the Lord and he will have it. I left that 1.00

01:53:44.360 one to the Lord. And I probably should have taken vengeance on my own because it would

01:53:51.500 have been more merciful it would have been far more merciful but uh i left that one to the lord

01:53:55.380 and uh the lord uh has crushed andy um blessed be the name of the lord so uh all that being said

01:54:02.500 the point is this we we are constantly um in the crosshairs of being canceled constantly whether

01:54:09.680 it's hey uh husbands have authority over the spiritual diet of their wives and children

01:54:15.600 radical misogynist canceled right or uh hey d.e.i. an affirmative action has radically

01:54:24.160 trans uh transformed the way americans have to think about merit and whether or not people

01:54:30.860 are qualified for positions radical racist canceled at every single level um people you

01:54:39.700 if you can't if you haven't picked that up guys i'd really again i'm not trying to be

01:54:44.340 self-serving and i'm not trying to be hyperbolic have have you noticed maybe you can just put in

01:54:49.840 the chat right now help me help me realize i'm not crazy have you noticed that uh there might

01:54:55.240 be a few people or perhaps let's say a few million people that want to cancel right response ministries

01:55:02.000 am i crazy nope is that fair i think i think that's pretty fair i think they're trying to

01:55:06.940 keep us alive they keep putting our stuff out there they keep publishing it for free that's

01:55:10.860 true they keep both but the point is like and here's the deal what like why would they do it

01:55:14.740 oh you know but here's here's the point i'm trying to make they're trying to do it because

01:55:19.100 it works it works that's true on the one hand it's like oh well you guys are just getting you

01:55:24.140 know mileage and this and that and the other it's like yeah we're getting mileage and people are

01:55:27.940 coming to us but 12 second clips taken out of context really do do damage they really do and so

01:55:34.900 for every every uh person who who who sees that in good faith and then goes and watches the full

01:55:42.900 length video and realizes oh he's just a christian who thinks like every other christian has thought

01:55:47.600 in the entire world until the 1960s you know like oh like um and all this is perfectly defensible

01:55:53.420 and oh he gave that clarification and that you know disclaimer and that caveat um for every

01:55:58.420 person who actually comes and watches the full video at least a hundred if not a thousand people

01:56:03.100 don't and they just and they just write you off um and those people here's the point those people

01:56:10.260 don't want us to be employed right those people they like we're talking about wicked people and

01:56:15.940 yes about half of them profess to be christians sadly um so so i'm talking about even christian

01:56:24.020 people uh there are thousands tens of thousands of christians who would love if i couldn't feed

01:56:30.920 my children he would absolutely love it like they would be elated they would be laughing and giggling

01:56:36.620 with glee christians if if if my wife megan and my children starved like they won't say it out loud

01:56:44.880 but that's their heart they hate this ministry they hate god's word they hate the truth the

01:56:52.620 eternal universal truth of god being applied in practical ways to the topics that matter because 0.98

01:57:00.120 and here's the deal here's here's the thing that is so sad and pathetic it's weak it's weak um 0.96

01:57:07.700 the thing that they hate they hate me for they will because we will win they will be saying 0.93

01:57:13.760 those things as though they always believed them themselves right and just five years five to ten

01:57:19.180 years from now right and yet they wanted my family to be destroyed five to ten years earlier for

01:57:25.220 saying it i'll put it like this they always killed the prophets in israel but the people of israel

01:57:33.180 didn't kill the prophets because the prophets were right they killed the prophets because the

01:57:37.440 prophets were first everybody it wasn't because because later on everybody claimed to agree with

01:57:43.660 jeremiah everybody claimed to agree with isaiah everybody they built tombs and monuments to the

01:57:48.000 prophet it's not being right that gets you into trouble it's being first that's my point and and

01:57:54.140 here's the deal. You want all your medieval favorite pastors and ministries, which I'm

01:58:02.520 trying to be charitable today, so I'm not going to name some of them. You want them to come out

01:58:06.400 and take some strong stands. I'll tell you how it's going to happen.

01:58:11.540 It's going to happen by us first going and clearing the room. Special ops, go in, clear the

01:58:18.280 room, and then everybody else can follow up. So we're going to go in with night vision,

01:58:22.220 under the cover of darkness,

01:58:25.280 specially trained with real courage

01:58:27.260 and take out the baddies

01:58:29.240 and go into the real risk,

01:58:31.240 the real danger,

01:58:32.420 when it's actually costly to do so.

01:58:34.540 And once we've cleared the room

01:58:36.140 and once it's safe for Medeva to come in,

01:58:39.720 they will.

01:58:40.580 And then once Medeva has come in, 1.00

01:58:42.420 then Big Eva will come in. 1.00

01:58:43.960 So you want to win? 1.00

01:58:45.880 You need Medeva to step in. 0.98

01:58:48.320 Medeva won't step in

01:58:49.560 Until we've already dived into uncharted waters that were dangerous and tumultuous and cleared away and acted in real courage and made it safe.

01:59:03.180 And here's the whole point.

01:59:04.020 Who's the most valuable, the MVP of the new Christendom?

01:59:07.440 Because it sounds like, Joel, you're saying it's you guys.

01:59:09.520 No, it's you.

01:59:10.880 Here's the deal.

01:59:11.880 We can only do what we do because everyone right now wants to cancel us.

01:59:16.780 But you can actually make us bulletproof.

01:59:19.560 you want to win if you want to win this we need numbers you know how you get the numbers first

01:59:26.220 you get some guys to say it and then in five years everyone will say it this is what happened

01:59:32.220 in the push against wokeness this is what happened in the push against covet this is what will always

01:59:36.720 happen is some guys say it then everyone says it but for the some guys to say it they have to be

01:59:42.480 able to say it and if they say it and get crushed a week later and disappear then that that's the

01:59:50.040 sign that's like noah with the ark sending out the dove and it never comes back you know uh or or

01:59:55.240 you know it it's not a good analogy it drowns right it's the canary in the coal mine you know

02:00:00.280 it's that's your sign that's your sign that um that oh i guess it's not time i guess it's too

02:00:05.120 risky i guess it's too dangerous to say these things because because i watched the right response

02:00:09.000 say it and they got crushed and and we never heard from them again well here's here's the

02:00:12.840 commitment that i'm making to you um i won't quit i won't quit um and we will continue to to have

02:00:20.400 the hard conversations that need to be had um but what we're asking from you is um will you

02:00:26.480 collectively and anonymously you can do it so you get to i'm the face so i'm the guy who who uh

02:00:33.060 risk getting punched in the face when i walk down the street because 10 million people hate me

02:00:36.840 okay i will bear that risk um what we're asking from you is that will you financially help us to

02:00:44.080 bear that risk because uh big evil will come if medieval uh hold holds the line and medieval will

02:00:51.960 come if we uh go and clear the room and we can keep cleaning the room and be bulletproof and

02:00:59.060 never canceled if uh if you won't let um if you won't let the demons cancel us that's all that's

02:01:06.400 all it takes like if we could get my my goal if we can and i'm not saying it's going to happen next

02:01:12.100 year but over time my goal is that uh that both wes and michael could be a full-time employed with

02:01:18.940 right response and that it would predominantly be um individual donors the salt of the earth

02:01:25.500 that the widow's mites collected um all all you you you know far right-wing anons you know who

02:01:32.520 are starting your own business and raising your kids and working hard and and you know blue collar

02:01:37.040 guys that you pitching in a hundred dollars a month especially i'll just say this especially

02:01:42.680 you guys who don't have a church uh number one first get a church if there's no church in town

02:01:49.560 plant one if you're not qualified to plant one then you have to move i don't care what it costs

02:01:55.140 being churchless indefinitely is not a viable option that is not has not been afforded to you

02:02:01.940 by Jesus Christ in his word. You don't get to do that. You don't. So you guys who don't have a

02:02:07.260 church, get a church. Find one. Well, Joel, I've looked in a 60-mile radius. Now do 70.

02:02:13.120 We've got people driving two and a half hours to our church. So drive further, move, or start a

02:02:19.080 church. But you can't be churchless. That said, so that's first and foremost. That said. Secondly,

02:02:24.640 until you get a church, though, why are you not supporting this ministry? You email me,

02:02:31.940 I, you know, you tell me how much you appreciate us, like, as you're churchless, so why don't,

02:02:39.580 I understand the economy's not great, I understand it's difficult, and we're not a church, and so

02:02:44.040 there's not a biblical obligation to tithe, so while you're churchless, why don't you give some

02:02:49.520 of the money that you would be tithing to this ministry, and save the rest for your kids? And

02:02:53.980 then also, C.8, be active and diligent, and find a church, and stop being churchless. So those

02:02:59.020 kind of things my point is if you guys supported us monthly then the mvp as far as i'm concerned

02:03:04.320 of the new christendom is you you guys in other ministries like brian silvey and and eric khan

02:03:09.560 like they are saying things that need to be said and everyone wants to cancel them people hate eric

02:03:17.160 khan they hate steven wolf yeah they hate him and i'm talking about good people christians they hate

02:03:23.100 Stephen Wolfe. They hate Andrew Isker. They hate Eric Kahn. They hate Joel Webin. They hate John

02:03:30.320 Harris. They hate A.D. Robles. They want us crushed. And the reality is we live, like we've

02:03:37.120 talked about, the spiritual but also the natural, we live in a real world. And the reality is that

02:03:42.160 it is possible to crush us. It is possible to leverage influence and to actually financially

02:03:51.880 crush someone to where they have to be silenced. Canceling is a real thing,

02:03:59.560 but it's not possible if you guys just say, we won't let it happen. We are going to rally around

02:04:08.440 not just watching and benefiting ourselves, but we're actually going to make this a mutually

02:04:13.620 beneficial relationship. You guys have been a blessing to us, and so we're going to commit in

02:04:17.720 2025 to be a monthly blessing to you and maybe it's 20 bucks and maybe for some of you it's 200

02:04:23.620 bucks but if enough of you guys who follow this ministry and claim to have been so blessed by it

02:04:30.000 do that then guess what everybody else who's trying to cancel us can pound sand they can just

02:04:37.120 they can they can squeal and and screech and wail into into the void as much as they want 0.78

02:04:44.900 But this ministry can't be stopped if individual Christians like you say,

02:04:52.560 we won't let it be stopped. 1.00

02:04:53.500 This ministry will end the second that you say, we're going to let it end.

02:04:59.300 But if you say, no, we're not going to let that happen.

02:05:02.400 We're going to make sure that these guys continue to have a voice.

02:05:08.620 Then we'll continue to talk.

02:05:10.120 Our commitment is we'll continue to talk about these things,

02:05:12.440 and we'll do it with courage.

02:05:13.320 but we can only do it if you guys help to insulate us because apart from that what i'm saying is

02:05:19.800 apart from that the stuff that we're talking about it's like well why don't you guys just

02:05:25.360 work another job because the stuff that we're talking about when it goes viral to two million

02:05:30.720 people it makes you unemployable you can't get another job that's what they want to do that's

02:05:39.420 what that's what the left regime and sadly many christians and many reform christians you know

02:05:45.140 who i'm talking about that's what they want to do they want to make us unemployable they want to

02:05:50.920 um they actually the the left starts screeching and then they join the left and and they want to

02:05:57.440 ultimately drop an anvil and crush uh this ministry to where we like it's just it's too high

02:06:05.940 Because at the end of the day, our obligation is to our wives and children.

02:06:08.560 If we have to choose, we're going to choose our families.

02:06:10.920 And so, yeah, if I have to choose, then I'm going to go into obscurity and I'm going to

02:06:15.500 drive a FedEx truck or whatever and do what I have to do to feed my kids, because that's

02:06:21.660 what God calls me to do.

02:06:22.680 I only get to do this if enough people commit to financially insulating me.

02:06:29.340 That's it.

02:06:30.720 That's how it works.

02:06:31.640 And these guys only get to do this if people will commit to financially insulating them.

02:06:37.240 Because if not, then it's suicide.

02:06:40.800 And it's actually unbiblical to just put your neck out and not just to be killed,

02:06:47.680 but financially destroyed and blacklisted when you have a wife and children

02:06:54.220 that you're obligated to defend and protect and provide for.

02:06:57.280 um so we will be as courageous as you will be generous

02:07:02.220 and that's kind of the way it works so you guys have anything you want to say

02:07:08.720 no that was good it's good yeah okay i think that that eventually should be like a full episode like

02:07:14.420 even mapping out some of the statistics and and cancel culture and how it like because you can

02:07:18.760 see like the guys who are are they're just they're invulnerable they're they're like um

02:07:24.340 they're they just can't be immune to canceling they're the guys who have the most committed

02:07:30.380 followers who just i talked to stephen wolf at the ogden conference and uh he's like i'm i'm

02:07:36.220 untouchable like the way his life is set up i won't give details there's nothing anyone can do

02:07:40.300 from to him so he's able to write any book he wants to say anything he wants on twitter to go

02:07:44.900 on his his channel on his podcast and say anything because nobody can touch any aspect of his life

02:07:51.280 and significantly affect it that's the ideal i would say for every christian that's the ideal

02:07:54.740 and and there's so many guys like i mean it really is that simple it's sad but this is the truth so

02:08:00.800 many guys who are not uh it's like why i thought that guy was so solid why'd he why did he um

02:08:07.560 why why did he choke on this why why did he why did he cower on this why did like um

02:08:16.260 because he's not insulated that's a big part of it um some of these guys that you admire that are

02:08:22.440 are so courageous that is what that's one of the common denominators is that uh yes part of it is

02:08:28.000 is just sanctification and spiritually that they love the lord and these kinds of things and they

02:08:32.900 but also part of is one thing that they all have in common is like like steven wolf is uh they live

02:08:39.760 um they live on land they're a little bit away from society um like geographically they're

02:08:46.820 insulated financially they have some kind of uh they have they either own their own business

02:08:51.860 like andrew isker you know like how is he so courageous well he works for andrew torba

02:08:56.720 and and half of his salary is going to be covered by gap and now the other half is going to be with

02:09:04.820 the new founding guys and going to

02:09:07.000 Ridge Runner and you know and those kinds of like

02:09:08.820 so like those 0.67

02:09:10.880 those things make you bulletproof

02:09:12.740 without those things what you get is

02:09:15.120 Russell Moore

02:09:15.680 and you get Russell Moore saying

02:09:19.120 well I'm going to go to the people

02:09:20.680 you know who will

02:09:23.000 who will promise to take care of you get David

02:09:25.040 French you get you know

02:09:26.580 Francis Collins yeah so you guys

02:09:29.160 get it that's enough but thanks

02:09:31.140 for tuning in and we'll see you next time

02:09:34.820 as you continue the economy.

02:09:37.480 Thank you.

The NXR Podcast - October 16, 2024

THE LIVESTREAM - The Many Blessings Of Colonialism

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