For decades, conservatives have plagued themselves with an affliction almost an allergic reaction to power. It s as if the only way to truly be virtuous is to lose and to lose with grace. Political wins are viewed with suspicion as if governing with authority is somehow unseemly or worse, unchristian. But what if that mindset is not just wrong, but actually harmful? Take a look at Donald Trump. Like him or not, he s leading a populist resurgence that is centered not just on rhetoric, but on wielding power, on winning.
00:04:23.800Yeah, I didn't even mean to, but I've got it.
00:04:25.900you knew deep down in your heart what day it was and you refused um all right so welcome to the
00:04:31.700show we're going to be talking about wielding power and that it's not inherently righteous
00:04:35.280and it's also not inherently evil uh but it is a necessity it must be done who's going to lead off
00:04:41.340and i think announcement too about the conference oh yeah we um we did fill up uh our singles event
00:04:47.220for the conference uh right wing watch was uh very very excited that we were lacking three women
00:04:54.460out of 40. But by God's grace, we have filled the slots and we're ready to go. So much to the
00:05:02.440chagrin of all the haters. Okay. This time next year, there'll be some weddings, Lord willing.
00:05:06.180Yeah. Amen. Yeah. Let's hope. All right. Well, yeah, Joel, like you said, we're going to be
00:05:10.840talking about political power and some of the current news events. And the stories are changing
00:05:15.700even as I was preparing the episode. It's, you know, some of the details and what's going on.
00:05:20.320So there's a principle underneath everything that we're talking about, but we are going to
00:05:24.260be talking about uh trump and um his auto pen which i just love that he is uh he yeah anyway
00:05:32.760we'll get into that and then also him supposedly define a judicial order from a federal judge
00:05:37.580to undo a plan that probably had been days and weeks in the making um which is which is just
00:05:45.300preposterous that the judge a federal judge would try to exert some sort of really that's the
00:05:50.340tyranny, the tyrannical authority over the president and his foreign policy. So before
00:05:54.660we get into this, I want to share a story that I think I've briefly referenced on the
00:06:00.620podcast before. And it's about Newt Gingrich. And, you know, I'm not saying Newt Gingrich
00:06:06.100was fantastic or the greatest conservative mind in politics. He was a smart guy. But
00:06:12.680there's an interesting story about when he was elected for the first time to the House
00:06:17.760of Representatives in 1984. And he was a young, naive congressman at that point. He got to
00:06:23.900Washington, D.C., kind of, you know, all eyes all aglow and excited to get involved with the work.
00:06:30.340And when he was elected in 1984, the Republicans were the minority party in Congress. And so he
00:06:37.860shortly into his stint on Capitol Hill went up to the minority leader and said, OK, what is our
00:06:45.520plan for for winning how are we going to take the whole house are we how are we going to take
00:06:49.640the whole senate what are we going to do to get basically to get power to win the power of the
00:06:55.620congress and i don't remember the name of the congressman at the time but his response to
00:07:01.340newt gingrich was what are you talking about he said we are the minority party and business is
00:07:06.460getting done just fine in america we push back on the democrats they throw us a bone here and there
00:07:12.000And actually, the system is running along just fine. Our goal is not to actually try and get power. It's just to be here to kind of coexist with the Democrats. And like I said, like Newt Gingrich or not, he was just utterly flabbergasted at that response.
00:07:26.940And he made it his mission to get rid of that mentality in the Republican Party.
00:19:01.480And, you know, I'll just speak frankly here.
00:19:06.220There are episodes when I would rather be talking about, you know, art or literature or things like that, right, or music, or I'd rather be spending my time doing some of those things.0.97
00:19:17.200And Christians have been weak in those areas, too.1.00
00:19:19.940I really do believe that there's a need, you know, one of the needs of the hour is all of Christ for all of life, that we need Christians in medicine, we need Christians in media, we need Christians in art, all these things.
00:19:29.260and like we even said just the other day i think last week in one of our broadcasts we talked about
00:19:33.600the importance of uh of storytelling and the narratives are powerful like you talk about
00:19:38.580power one of the ways that you um that one of the ways that you uh that you garner power um is is by
00:19:46.240winning the people and you win the people you know in the same way it's like well you know
00:19:49.900my facts don't care about your feelings well a lot of people's feelings don't care about your
00:19:54.480facts. And so there is something to be said for the poetry and prose and the pathos of the preacher
00:20:00.560or just the citizen to be able to be compelling and persuasive and pull on the heartstrings of
00:20:07.040an individual. There's a way to do that with guile and manipulation that would be unethical.
00:20:10.900But there's also a way of doing that with skill and with rhetoric that's truthful and that it's
00:20:16.820not just a lecture and it's not just a pie chart, but as much as we like charts, but it's a way of
00:20:24.160telling stories that are true and that actually help you to achieve power because it wins the
00:20:30.880hearts of people. And there is a power that comes by numbers. But you're right. So all those things,
00:20:36.380we're not saying that they don't matter, but it seems like there's a lot of lessons that we're
00:20:39.660all learning in real time. I mean, that's the whole problem with all this, all the way back
00:20:44.380to like 2020. We were all learning in 15 minutes, but we should have carefully studied over the
00:20:50.500course of 15 years you know we were all myself you know absolutely included in this um under you
00:20:56.740know understanding what is you know what actually is tyranny and uh when when does it become incumbent
00:21:02.720upon christians you know in order to exercise you know civil disobedience or resistance and
00:21:08.700you know all these and and it basically just hasn't stopped i don't know how you guys feel
00:21:12.940but for me it feels like after 2020 i remember you know initially kind of thinking man this is
00:21:18.580a big one it's you know god is kind of uh you know he's he's you know separating the wheat and
00:21:24.940the tares and you know and and um but but we're going to get this all settled you know and ironed
00:21:29.880out and we'll lose a lot of guys that we thought were with us but they're really not but then we'll
00:21:34.040move forward and um but i've realized at least for myself personally ever since 2020 it's just
00:21:39.960been one lesson after another after another another test another test another test and it's
00:21:44.820It feels like the Gideon kind of thing.
00:21:47.000It's like God gives, you know, certain tests and like, okay, a bunch of, you know, Gideon's army goes home.
00:21:52.040And then he gives another test and it's like, whoa, we've already whittled down.
00:30:49.700it's important that he doesn't yeah but like he but my point is he was relegated he was kind of
00:30:54.780pushed off of the federal you know big national stage with trump and and my point is how uh
00:31:01.680because a civil magistrate with the exact title and the exact appointment and the exact uh position
00:31:07.240and um and authority made that decision no a bunch of just a bunch of minions like like you and i0.62
00:31:15.140um over christmas holidays as he's insulting americans and insulting our country we got on
00:31:22.680and said listen bub like if if you why don't you go back and uh and run for for president of india
00:31:30.260then yeah like if that's your attitude get out of here right if you don't seriously if if if you
00:31:38.560think that americans we've already been replaced by dei and all this other and and if you're just
00:31:44.100with conservatives like this, who needs leftists? If you're just going to sit here and levy
00:31:48.980one more argument for why Americans don't deserve American jobs, and that they should be
00:31:56.300outsourced to people on the other side of the world, because, like, let's be honest, it's not
00:32:01.520because there's geniuses in India that are incomparable to Americans. It's because it's
00:32:07.720cheaper and for you america first means um gdp uh big line go up and and one of the ways to
00:32:17.120accomplish that is overhead go down cheaper labor like and if that's who you are then we don't like
00:32:23.340it and it was literally here's my point tweets like what took down vivek ramaswamy who had a
00:32:30.480lot of power for a moment he did even if he took eight percent of the vote like coming out of
00:32:35.280nowhere 80 percent of the presidential vote so who took him out primary twitter like tweets
00:32:40.420literally tweets so if you think that my point is everybody what makes coercion wrong is when
00:32:46.480i think when it's when it's outside of your jurisdiction but everybody within your jurisdiction
00:32:51.540even if you're not an elected official you're not a civil magistrate whether it's as a parent
00:32:56.560or as a churchman in a congregation and you're wanting that congregation to go the right direction
00:33:02.380towards the scripture and be courageous in applying the scripture that you have a lot of
00:33:07.120power just by virtue of being in a church whether it's you know through social media or as a business
00:33:11.880owner who has the power to determine who you're going to employ and who you're not like we all
00:33:16.780have power and and and using coercion the power that we have in the realms where the lord has
00:33:22.120assigned us is not inherently sinful right i want to wrap up this segment um by reading this next
00:33:30.660quote from Burke, because Wes, what you said a few minutes ago ties into this perfectly. Like,
00:33:35.940we are hoping for better days ahead, and we're building in that direction. And so Burke said
00:33:43.720this about force and power. He said, the use of force alone is but temporary. It may subdue for
00:33:51.400a moment, but it does not remove the necessity of subduing again. So here he's going to contrast
00:33:57.680force with governance. He says a nation is not governed, which is perpetually to be conquered.
00:34:05.260And to some degree, what we have now is, I don't think it was always this way, even with two parties,
00:34:11.860but there is a reconquering of America going on every political cycle. And the stakes,
00:34:20.020I don't think our grandparents viewed the stakes of an election as the American project might
00:34:26.160might cease to exist if donald trump you know doesn't win people on the left say the same thing
00:34:32.080about trump winning they say america as we know is done it's never coming back they say it probably
00:34:37.540with even more conviction yeah right the side that wants to win or the uh the side that simply
00:34:44.200wants to be left alone will never beat the side that wants to win that's correct that's that's
00:34:48.860where we're at you're right um well let's do this real quick are you ready for a commercial break
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00:38:57.760and into some specifics uh wes we didn't confirm when do you want to throw in your quote you want
00:39:03.660to tie it into some of the theory here to to put a ball on that or do you want to save it later on
00:39:08.040talk about himself actually what he's done so why are we talking about political power again well
00:39:13.860because trump has done two things at least two things in the last couple of days that has the
00:39:19.700last 15 minutes yes exactly uh trump woke up this morning and so uh the left is uh more like he never
00:39:27.480went to bed that's right he never went to bed probably not um he just big mac his way through
00:39:31.820the night and uh um there have been all sorts of cries about tyranny but the big buzz phrase going
00:39:38.420around is that we are facing a an impending constitutional crisis constitutional crisis
00:39:46.540because in particular um the single rights act 1964 is that why they're finally catching up
00:39:54.300we've been in a constitutional crisis for i was about to say there is one it's called a judge in
00:39:59.200hawaii at like 11 p.m on a tuesday is like trump must i don't know forfeit the election like the
00:40:04.460whole you guys remember the whole first term was like that trump'd be like hey we're gonna stop
00:40:07.440muslims from coming into the country yeah it'd be like a single activist judge like the bottom of
00:40:11.540the ninth just said no you can't do that yeah and i think they probably got fed up with it until
00:40:17.100we're getting to the point we're at right now which is exactly what happened because trump had
00:40:21.100Now, to be fair and to not get right response sued, I will say rounded up a bunch of alleged Trenderagua gang members, Venezuelan gang members.
00:40:32.300Which are only here, sorry to keep jumping in, but like MS-13 has been here for a while.
00:40:36.860They've only been here since late 2020 when the border crisis started.
00:47:28.240And so not just a federal judge, but the Supreme Court presidents have ignored Supreme Court
00:47:35.620rulings basically since the beginning of our nation.
00:47:38.700So let's go to image number one there.
00:47:40.980So this is just a few of the times where presidents have just completely ignored a ruling by the Supreme Court.
00:47:48.020Abe Lincoln did it by rescinding habeas corpus.
00:47:52.520FDR did it with Schechter Poultry because he wanted to insist on wage.0.66
00:47:59.880I think it was minimum wage laws, and the Supreme Court said you can't do it, or at least this way, and he just did it anyway.
00:48:05.240Truman did it during the war with taking over some of the sheet metal companies because he needed them to be producing weapons and tanks and whatnot for the war.
00:48:22.000Reagan did it in regards to the power of labor unions.
00:49:13.140Supreme Court decisions and just told the court, go pound sand, I'm doing it anyway.
00:49:17.940okay so this is this is definitely uh so this goes all the way back to the 18 jefferson um you know
00:49:24.140third president because here we have we've got nixon we've got theodore roosevelt we've got
00:49:29.600andrew jackson we've got a ulysses s grant yep and jackson famously said john marshall justice
00:49:35.460john marshall has made his decision yep now let him enforce it yeah right because there is no
00:49:39.620enforcement mechanism of the court who said the judiciary branch uh andrew jackson jackson so you
00:49:44.460see that the colors up there so the x is correspond to how we would classify these um presidents with
00:49:51.300the modern idea of conservative conservative and liberal and it's a pretty equal distribution
00:49:55.200actually um but all sides both sides have have decided you know what the court they can say
00:50:01.500whatever they want we're doing this anyway and so the idea that the nation is literally going to
00:50:07.420fall apart right now because Trump supposedly disregarded what some federal judge said is
00:50:15.100preposterous on its face. Secondly, I think to go into what you said, Wes, I think Trump realized
00:50:21.160that that was not an Achilles heel, but a frequently used tactic against him the first
00:50:25.940time around. I think he wants a case like this to be triggered up to the Supreme Court because I
00:50:30.820think he wants clarity for the future. I think he wants the Supreme Court to rule that low level
00:50:37.200federal and district judges cannot step in and counterman the president of the united states when
00:50:43.260when he's doing this sort of thing so it seems like he's actually kind of picking a fight on
00:50:47.980this issue and i'm that's the sort of thing where we talked about at the beginning like he's trying
00:50:51.860to exert power and he's trying to do it both to achieve his short-term goals let's kick out the
00:50:57.980gang members and to achieve longer-term goals of let's weaken the exec or the uh the bureaucratic
00:51:03.920state and let's return the power to where it goes if we're going to continue to have the constitution
00:51:08.040it needs to be it needs to look more like it did you know back when it was originally written
00:51:13.640right i noticed a lot of those too they came at the beginning of terms so covet 19 joe biden's
00:51:18.600the war on terror early on in george w bush's term watergate early in nixon terms there are
00:51:23.900early conflicts that set the stage for win or lose the rest of the administration four years
00:51:29.000Yep. Or the next eight years. Right. Yeah. Yeah. That's 100 percent true. So the idea that we are in a constitutional crisis is is really I don't know.
00:51:40.240It's just preposterous. But the point is not to win the political issue, whether or not Trump was right to or whether or not Trump did defy the judge or not.
00:51:50.200the point again that we're trying to i'm trying to make at least is i actually don't care if trump
00:51:55.720did right like even if the if the judge the day before had said you can't do this i would hope
00:52:01.400trump would have said okay we're doing it like this is the right thing to do and we're going to
00:52:05.980do it a lot more and and that's really the issue is is um the idea like like uh kirk um russell
00:52:15.340kirk not charlie kirk um the guy that we quoted in the cold opening his idea of conservatism is
00:52:20.380that conservatism preserves permanent things i think that's a really good way to think about it
00:52:27.020like we don't like the term neoconservatives anymore we don't like the term conservatism
00:52:32.020because it's it's so mixed in with neocon globalist ideas but kirk argued that the true
00:52:40.700conservative preserves permanent things and so if the president is going to rule as a conservative
00:52:47.240president what his goal is is preserving permanent things like the security and identity of of the
00:52:56.340nation and insofar as he's preserving legitimate um permanent things like let's let's give more
00:53:02.680power to that let's give more emphasis and attention to that i'm all for that sort of thing
00:53:09.040yeah absolutely well said okay um well i i mean we could go to our second break now we're coming
00:53:19.660up on four o'clock yeah let's go let's do that and then we'll hit section three and then guys
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00:55:51.720All right, we were just talking during the commercial break.
00:55:54.320that's something to point out like we try not to be excessive with it something to notice
00:55:59.180to observe we try not to do it a lot but like you do need to see this like this judge demanding
00:56:03.440that the trump administration keep violent venezuelan gang members who have murdered0.81
00:56:08.200american citizens who have run a drug operation ring this drug this drug this judge was jewish
00:56:14.100and real quick uh one of the guys in the chat called cool dude uh but he pointed out and i
00:56:19.200thought it was helpful he because he's right he said uh we've got to break out of the mindset we
00:56:24.180can't afford to be so naive uh these are not bleeding heart libs right i just well i care
00:56:29.280for the downcast and the downtrodden and you know and those who are oppressed he said no this is
00:56:34.380malicious they want they're wanting to open the borders and then now because trump is closing
00:56:39.760them uh they want to be able to somehow maintain retain um the what it's the purpose of a system
00:56:47.280is whatever it does right right and and the the aims and intentions of a person like jesus said
00:56:54.180this right this isn't like oh that's carl schmidt and and uh and he was a nazi no no no there's
00:56:59.900another little guy who said this once upon a time his name is jesus christ the son of god second
00:57:04.340member of the the divine trinity he said you'll know a tree by its fruit right and so when when
00:57:09.960somebody is like hey uh there's a group of people they might be rapists i'm i'm going to do everything
00:57:16.500i can to make sure that they're in this country well then you're you're an enemy of the country0.99
00:57:21.660you are a traitor it's treason like you hate america you were trying to destroy america0.92
00:57:26.240so that guy was jewish but here's our point bringing up credit where credit is due the0.99
00:57:30.940mastermind of this is a guy named stephen miller mastermind of of trump's roundup of
00:57:35.580get them out this dude his whole life his existence he is pretty much dedicated to
00:57:40.180illegal immigration and closing the border he's one of trump's right hand guys the system is what
00:57:45.000it does this guy what he does his fruit is yep and his name is steven miller and he's jewish and
00:57:50.220he is awesome so basically in one side it was steven miller and he collaborated with the head
00:57:54.920of homeland security uh christy gnome they masterminded this together so you had steven
00:57:59.760miller who's jewish and a jewish judge who said don't do it and steven miller who said i'm doing
00:58:04.300it anyway because i love my people he's the one that said at madison square garden like america
00:58:08.160is for americans only amen and we bring it up just you know we get a lot of flack for
00:58:12.400you know hating jews and we don't um but but we just we like we're just not going to play that
00:58:19.000game of like oh that you know you must never go there you must never say that thing you must never
00:58:23.360notice uh no that there is um there is absolutely a disproportionate amount of you know it's three
00:58:30.420percent of the population is jewish and there's a disproportionate amount of jewish people in
00:58:36.300positions of of government in our nation and not all not even close to all but many of them do have
00:58:43.220dual citizenship if you look at like at the federal level how many federal you know electives
00:58:49.800have dual citizenship america and another country and then of those who have dual citizenship
00:58:56.100is there any particular country other than america that seems to have is it nigeria most is it yeah
01:08:56.060The longer you take to repent of sin, the more complicated and harder that repentance process is.
01:09:03.600So if we had done it 100 years earlier, maybe it would have been easier.0.91
01:09:06.380At this point, we would have to deport at least 30 million people, build a wall.0.72
01:09:10.240And I would guess it would probably take about 100 to 150 years for everyone to fully assimilate and to actually be able to say, all my fellow American citizens really are also heritage American people, really American.0.61
01:09:29.120And what's one of the things that I'm assuming in that?
01:09:32.720I'm assuming that in 100 to 150 years, that there would be, maybe not universally, maybe not entirely, but there would be a significant, that would be enough time for there to be a significant degree of intermarriage.
01:09:47.560And that's ultimately what it would require.
01:09:51.340And apart from that, our nation is terribly divided, religiously divided, politically divided.
01:10:00.100We've got people in America by the millions that don't even speak English.
01:35:44.600Yeah. So what do you do when you have scenarios that exist that should never actually even exist? That's what you're getting at. Rushdini, who just for the record, we've said it many times, but I'll say it again.
01:36:02.920I really like Rushdini and he has in many ways stood the test of time.
01:36:11.260I think he owned close to 45,000 different books
01:36:14.960and most of the people who knew him said he read them all or close to it
01:36:19.180and they would find in the backs and pages of the books,
01:36:22.040handwritten notes and all these things underlined.
01:36:24.720He was a brilliant man and he was one of the OG theonomists.
01:36:30.760but what i appreciate about russian is he was it's like he was from a different generation
01:36:35.880probably just a different kind of man personally individually but also generationally to where he
01:36:41.100he just didn't um his his version of theonomy uh was not it was it wasn't just the theonomic um
01:36:51.320the theonomic version you know version of you know post post-liberalism it wasn't just yeah
01:36:58.600exactly it wasn't just theonomic liberalism but he was actually like he actually had his
01:37:03.540his convictions he was a theonomist and and not just uh you know a 20th century liberalism guy
01:37:10.160you know but a theonomic flavor and so anyways all that being said he talked about abortion he
01:37:15.520said like yeah well in a theonomic society in a just biblical society uh it's eye for an eye
01:37:21.640tooth for a tooth life for a life and abortion is murder and so the murderer would be um penalized
01:37:27.500and receive capital punishment. And so, in that case, you would not have congregants in your
01:37:35.540church who were murderers, because the state would have dealt with them. This is also indicative of
01:37:40.960Calvin. Calvin from Geneva, he talked about when it comes to divorce and remarriage. And
01:37:47.020there are some who take the position that if you've been divorced, then the permanence view
01:37:55.640of divorce, that you can never remarry. But many of the Presbyterians actually, that was more
01:38:01.800actually of a more modern Baptist idea, the permanent view of you can never remarry. Most
01:38:07.980of the older Presbyterians, Calvin included, they believed that if the divorce was by biblical
01:38:13.860merit, being either abandonment or adultery were the two clauses that were given. And you not being
01:38:18.960the one who did that. And you not being, yes, so you being innocent in the matter. Obviously,
01:38:23.300everyone's a sinner but innocent in the matter um so your spouse you know is the one who committed0.81
01:38:28.420adultery um and and if you got a divorce out of that then you would actually be free to remarry
01:38:34.680and one of the the you know the justifications and you know argumentation that calvin uses is
01:38:40.900he says well according to god's law um the adulterer would be put to death and in the
01:38:47.040sight of God, they are as good as dead. And therefore, you are free from that covenant in
01:38:54.300the divine sense, according to God. And so, likewise, with Rushduni, going back to abortion0.89
01:38:59.180now, what he said was like, okay, but if they're repentant, they've had an abortion, but they're
01:39:04.260repentant, then they can't just, you can't, because at this point, it's like one in every four women,
01:39:11.300I mean, like, and even at Rushduni's time, it wasn't quite as high as it is today, but it was
01:39:15.140pretty high i mean honestly it might have been just as high because it's been about a million
01:39:19.080children every year for 50 years yeah um and so you know so russia in different demographics so
01:39:25.840like if you're in you know upstate washington versus inner city baltimore there's a different
01:39:29.660ratio there but that's true um so russia he said well you can't just um say that this entire swath
01:39:35.980of people are, are, um, you know, that, that, that they, um, are, uh, unredeemable. And so he
01:39:46.380said like, they, they have to be welcomed back to the church. Um, they can be forgiven if they're
01:39:52.120repentant. Uh, but he was trying to find some way, and I'm not even saying that he's exactly right
01:39:57.540with this, but I appreciate the instinct. I appreciate what he was, but he was trying to
01:40:02.280say, yeah, but sin really does matter and there really are consequences. And so what he advocated
01:40:06.980for was like, at least he talked about another congregation that did this and he talked about
01:40:12.760it favorably, that they kept them, they welcomed them back into the membership with the church,
01:40:21.280but they withheld the supper from them for like years. I think it might've been like 10 or 20
01:40:27.820years. In some cases, it may have been for life. To say that you are forgiven when you are a church
01:40:36.520member, but there is a consequence for such a heinous sin as murder. And so, all that being
01:40:44.140said, back to this question, what Wes is saying, I'm agreeing with Wes as he's saying, there are
01:40:48.440so many ethical questions that we have to deal with today because all the practical implications
01:40:55.520of repentance become far more complex the longer a person or a people go without repenting.
01:41:04.600The more muck and mire, the more sin that's accrued, then the more difficult it becomes
01:41:13.540to untangle all that mess. And so back to the original question, what do you do with an
01:41:19.160individual who was arrested and found guilty? There's evidence, it's proven.
01:41:23.480That's a big thing, assuming that there was...
01:41:25.360Exactly. So let's assume that the arrest was legitimate, that the person is guilty, that they've even pled guilty and they've admitted it by their own volition, that they were arrested for child pee.
01:41:38.200But I assume they're now out of jail and they're back in the congregation.
01:41:46.600They've repented and should they be welcomed back into the congregation?
01:41:51.840and uh yeah that's that that's just one of those questions that you shouldn't ever have to answer
01:41:57.860um you know in a just society um but we do and and we have to answer this question because
01:42:05.780of our sin um yeah i'm going to say it dennis prager right dennis prager recently did an
01:42:14.300interview where he said well you know if it's ai so it's not actually you know a child but it's
01:42:23.340but it is child p it's the image of one it is child yeah exactly but like someone intentionally
01:42:29.300is using ai to manufacture because they want it to be a child that level of perversion so it is
01:42:35.780child p but it's ai generated um and he was asked point blank in an interview and and he wasn't like0.76
01:42:42.540you know baited into it or something like that the guy literally the person interviewing said
01:42:47.080i think that that's morally reprehensible yeah yeah i'm disgusted with your answer a catholic0.54
01:42:52.780a christian yep interviewing a jew and dennis prager and dennis prager was clear about why he
01:42:58.500has this view he said like it's it is my religion he said you know and he said this in other contexts
01:43:03.800as well so i'm not making this up he said like one of the kirk pressed him on it yeah yeah he
01:43:07.560said, one of the problems, this is Dennis Prager, this is his view. He has said this, one of the
01:43:12.840problems with Christianity, I'm paraphrasing him, but this is just about it, is that, you know,
01:43:18.540the Torah, the Old Testament, never condemns sinful thoughts. It never even, basically what
01:43:27.660he's saying is that the Old Testament doesn't even have the category, theological category,