The NXR Podcast - THE LIVESTREAM - The Power to Win： Why Conservatives Must Stop Surrendering

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00:00:26.800 for decades conservatives have plagued been plagued by an affliction almost an allergic

00:00:35.420 reaction to power it's as if the only way to truly be virtuous is to lose and to lose with grace

00:00:43.780 political wins are viewed with suspicion as if governing with authority is somehow unseemly

00:00:50.500 or worse, unchristian. But what if that mindset is not just wrong, but actually harmful?

00:00:58.220 Take a look at Donald Trump. Like him or not, he's leading a populist resurgence

00:01:03.220 that is centered not just on rhetoric, but on wielding power, on winning. Recently,

00:01:09.800 he made headlines for appearing to defy a court order that would have prevented the deportation

00:01:16.460 of Venezuelan gang members. Then he took aim at President Biden's use of an auto pen for signing

00:01:23.920 pardons, questioning the validity of those signatures. Predictably, his critics shriek,

00:01:30.780 tyranny! But is it tyranny? Or is it the legitimate use of power for the good of a nation?

00:01:38.180 There is long and deep conservative traditions here in these United States that support the

00:01:45.000 responsible use of authority. Edmund Burke warned that power unused is power lost and that liberty

00:01:53.220 without virtue is the greatest of all evils. Russell Kirk argued that moral order requires

00:02:00.220 strong governance. Sam Francis lambasted the right for its obsession with losing honorably rather

00:02:07.600 than governing effectively. Even American history is filled with examples of presidents who defied

00:02:15.900 courts and insisted on doing what they believed was right. Lincoln, FDR, Reagan, and even Andrew

00:02:23.960 Jackson understood that sometimes the law is wrong and justice demands action. Yet modern

00:02:31.700 evangelicals often act as if any use of power is suspect, embracing what Francis called the

00:02:39.520 beautiful loser syndrome, preferring to be righteous victims rather than victorious defenders 0.98

00:02:45.760 of truth and order. But what does scripture actually say? Joseph wielded power in Egypt to

00:02:53.100 save his people. Nehemiah rebuilt Jerusalem despite opposition. Even Christ declared that all

00:03:00.040 authority in heaven and on earth has been given to him. So today we ask, is Trump a tyrant or is

00:03:09.120 he acting within a legitimate and necessary conservative tradition? And more importantly,

00:03:15.200 why do so many conservatives still believe that surrender is a virtue? This episode is brought to

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00:03:28.640 and our generous donors. You can join our Patreon by going to patreon.com forward slash

00:03:35.760 right response ministries, or you can make a donation by going to right response ministries.com

00:03:42.600 forward slash donate. Political power is not everything, but it's not nothing either. And

00:03:50.060 when good men refuse to use it, then evil men will pick it up and destroy whole societies. 0.96

00:03:56.560 It's time for Christians to learn to use political power for good ends once more. 0.99

00:04:02.640 Let's get into it. 1.00

00:04:12.780 All right.

00:04:13.600 Happy Monday.

00:04:14.380 We are back.

00:04:15.540 We are back.

00:04:16.120 Some would say we're so back.

00:04:17.780 Happy St. Patrick's Day, my goodness.

00:04:19.100 Happy St. Patrick's Day.

00:04:20.540 We've got green on.

00:04:21.740 My goal.

00:04:23.800 Yeah, I didn't even mean to, but I've got it.

00:04:25.900 you knew deep down in your heart what day it was and you refused um all right so welcome to the

00:04:31.700 show we're going to be talking about wielding power and that it's not inherently righteous

00:04:35.280 and it's also not inherently evil uh but it is a necessity it must be done who's going to lead off

00:04:41.340 and i think announcement too about the conference oh yeah we um we did fill up uh our singles event

00:04:47.220 for the conference uh right wing watch was uh very very excited that we were lacking three women

00:04:54.460 out of 40. But by God's grace, we have filled the slots and we're ready to go. So much to the

00:05:02.440 chagrin of all the haters. Okay. This time next year, there'll be some weddings, Lord willing.

00:05:06.180 Yeah. Amen. Yeah. Let's hope. All right. Well, yeah, Joel, like you said, we're going to be

00:05:10.840 talking about political power and some of the current news events. And the stories are changing

00:05:15.700 even as I was preparing the episode. It's, you know, some of the details and what's going on.

00:05:20.320 So there's a principle underneath everything that we're talking about, but we are going to

00:05:24.260 be talking about uh trump and um his auto pen which i just love that he is uh he yeah anyway

00:05:32.760 we'll get into that and then also him supposedly define a judicial order from a federal judge

00:05:37.580 to undo a plan that probably had been days and weeks in the making um which is which is just

00:05:45.300 preposterous that the judge a federal judge would try to exert some sort of really that's the

00:05:50.340 tyranny, the tyrannical authority over the president and his foreign policy. So before

00:05:54.660 we get into this, I want to share a story that I think I've briefly referenced on the

00:06:00.620 podcast before. And it's about Newt Gingrich. And, you know, I'm not saying Newt Gingrich

00:06:06.100 was fantastic or the greatest conservative mind in politics. He was a smart guy. But

00:06:12.680 there's an interesting story about when he was elected for the first time to the House

00:06:17.760 of Representatives in 1984. And he was a young, naive congressman at that point. He got to

00:06:23.900 Washington, D.C., kind of, you know, all eyes all aglow and excited to get involved with the work.

00:06:30.340 And when he was elected in 1984, the Republicans were the minority party in Congress. And so he

00:06:37.860 shortly into his stint on Capitol Hill went up to the minority leader and said, OK, what is our

00:06:45.520 plan for for winning how are we going to take the whole house are we how are we going to take

00:06:49.640 the whole senate what are we going to do to get basically to get power to win the power of the

00:06:55.620 congress and i don't remember the name of the congressman at the time but his response to

00:07:01.340 newt gingrich was what are you talking about he said we are the minority party and business is

00:07:06.460 getting done just fine in america we push back on the democrats they throw us a bone here and there

00:07:12.000 And actually, the system is running along just fine. Our goal is not to actually try and get power. It's just to be here to kind of coexist with the Democrats. And like I said, like Newt Gingrich or not, he was just utterly flabbergasted at that response.

00:07:26.940 And he made it his mission to get rid of that mentality in the Republican Party.

00:07:33.480 To some degree, he was able to.

00:07:34.840 He ended up becoming the Speaker of the House and within 10 years and then in 1994, led

00:07:39.880 a campaign to really take over control of Congress for the Republicans for the first

00:07:44.600 time in a long time.

00:07:45.820 The point is this idea of just, yeah, it's fine.

00:07:49.600 We don't have to have the power.

00:07:50.660 You don't have to be in charge.

00:07:51.640 we can leave the power in the hands of the Democrats has been in neoconservatives for a

00:07:58.740 long time. That was 1984, right? And just the assumption was we can coexist peacefully. We can

00:08:07.260 just be here. They'll do their thing. They'll let us do our thing. And whether or not that was the

00:08:12.300 case, that certainly is not the case anymore. I know Steve Dace likes to say that what's going

00:08:17.380 on in the west right now and in america in particular is that there is a steel cage death

00:08:22.220 match going on and only one is going to walk out um i'm not saying political party the parties will

00:08:27.900 continue but just the the way of ideology the ideology of governing a nation and one vision

00:08:34.800 yes what vision um is in a steel cage death match and once you realize that you realize that 0.84

00:08:42.460 it is utterly foolish for conservatives and Christians to say, well, yeah, we're totally 0.95

00:08:49.240 fine not having political power. It really is so short-sighted that it almost beggars the 0.99

00:08:54.500 imagination. So we're going to get into a little bit of history, but any opening comments, Wes,

00:09:00.480 from you or Joel, before I kind of go through a little bit of Burke and some conservative

00:09:04.280 history, just to base what we're going to say today in the actual historic tradition.

00:09:12.460 i'm thinking of that meme where uh it's the tombstone it says here lies conservatism

00:09:17.040 imagine if the shoe was on the other foot or what if the other side did this yeah can you imagine

00:09:22.080 today yeah i saw him post today i forget who it was by but uh he literally said that and i'm like

00:09:27.240 my brother in christ i don't think he's a christian but my dear friend um it's the year of

00:09:31.800 our lord 2025 and he literally like posted um he said uh you know uh we should we should seek to

00:09:39.140 expel these judges you know these literal judges marxist judges and stuff but uh but we can't just

00:09:44.960 be overriding you know a court order he's like because if we do if we do um uh then one day the

00:09:53.740 democrats will be in power and uh and he said and they might do that um uh in order to accomplish

00:10:00.000 uh things that are unimaginable and i'm just like i cannot believe i'm like like you know what i

00:10:06.060 mean if it was 2016 you know maybe or even back you know like 2018 19 20 but it's like dude like

00:10:13.300 if you have not and this is somebody i think he had like 100 000 followers you know it wasn't

00:10:17.620 nobody but it's like if you haven't learned this lesson by now like they might do something 0.98

00:10:21.800 unimaginable like what like like uh like have a bunch of drag queens right you know with uh with

00:10:27.800 children in a public library right you know or put like i'd bring 20 30 million people that don't 1.00

00:10:32.480 belong here they wouldn't do something like the country with 20 or 30 million you know people from 0.99

00:10:37.220 foreign nations or they might give you know like 350 billion dollars to to ukraine or like what 0.89

00:10:44.080 what do you mean they might do something on it they've already done the unimaginable thing and

00:10:48.900 we've been sitting on our hands no it's time to wield power and win and the courts so the last

00:10:53.960 four years there was not a lot of the court standing up to it the thing that's the saving

00:10:58.180 grace was actually it was two senators that refused to break the filibuster so they could

00:11:02.760 get through a lot of their more radical legislation right in other words power by occupying seats that

00:11:08.400 was the actual thing right and really in this case not even republicans holding the seats but

00:11:11.980 two democrats that were moderate enough not to go fully along with the agenda yeah the judges

00:11:16.440 didn't hold back the tide these last four years and save us from all the inflation and everything

00:11:21.280 that we've seen right they barely did anything yeah right yeah so the the fact of the matter is

00:11:27.620 um political power has been part of society um well since the beginning like i think we're all

00:11:34.120 in agreement that we would say the idea of political power which is simply who gets to

00:11:39.040 make the decisions uh would have even been around before the fall the idea of having someone in

00:11:44.400 authority who is going to make a decision um and ultimately has the responsibility for making that

00:11:50.880 decision uh is innate to human nature even even unfallen human nature there'd be a sense of

00:11:57.300 who is making the decision and then how how do we support that the the conflict over the decision

00:12:03.940 i think that there still may have been some sort of discussion uh like what do you think is wise

00:12:09.480 in a sharing of counsel but the conflict and the vying for power and the backstabbing and

00:12:14.640 manipulation of course is a product of the fall but the political process in in the sense that

00:12:19.220 man's a social animal um i think has been with humanity and will be forever so yeah that that

00:12:28.080 kind of gets at like what is the heart of government like certainly when it comes to

00:12:31.260 legislation and law all laws are moral like i think in the realm of law neutrality really is a myth

00:12:37.240 uh that all laws are moral you're legislating someone's morality so it's it's it really is by

00:12:42.800 what standard it's it's not whether but which can i expand on that just for a second because people

00:12:46.500 are going to push back people will say well whether you drive on the right side of the road

00:12:50.700 like we do that's where i was going to get into or you were going to get into that yeah well my

00:12:54.440 point is just that even the decision that we need to have a direction is a moral statement because

00:12:59.920 it's preferring order to chaos so even if the right or left side is not one more moral than

00:13:05.420 the other the determination that we have to have an order to how we drive on the roads is a moral

00:13:11.140 statement on security for pedestrians on order and chaos on all of those sorts of things so

00:13:16.440 agreed yeah i was gonna say that you know like um so much of law and legislation is you know it's

00:13:23.120 it's whose morality it's a matter of very often it's a matter of life and death um but there are

00:13:29.640 other laws that um that simply do have to do with simply organization and order and uh yeah and so

00:13:35.780 I believe in a prelapsarian, you know, world had Adam never fallen, that there would still be

00:13:41.520 government, that there would still be, you know, whatever form it might be, if it were, you know,

00:13:46.340 kings or an aristocracy or a republic or whatever, that there would still be forms of government that

00:13:51.460 would have to make certain decisions for the populace that they would need to abide by. And

00:13:56.540 it wouldn't require, if sin had never entered the world, it wouldn't require laws like, you know,

00:14:00.680 against murder or something that's clearly um sin because because there would be no sin but there

00:14:06.840 still would be certain legislation and laws and things like that that pertain to you know what

00:14:11.340 side of the road to drive on or what materials should be used when it comes to the building of

00:14:16.260 a house and i think you know that there would be you know i don't think it would be libertarianism

00:14:20.840 because i think you know even in a sinless world libertarianism would still be gay and uh and so 0.61

00:14:25.940 because of that, you know, it wouldn't be allowed because it'd be sin. But it would, you know, 0.56

00:14:30.900 so it wouldn't be that. But I would say that, you know, like G.K. Chesterton said, if man will not

00:14:34.680 have 10 commandments, he will have 10,000. And so, I do think it would be less laws. But there

00:14:39.780 are just, there are still certain things that for the sake of order, organization, and not

00:14:45.540 devolving into chaos, somebody would have to make a decision. Yeah. Well, so to kind of frame the

00:14:51.380 discussion, I just jumped into some Burke and some quotes from Edmund Burke, who was an 18th century

00:14:56.780 political philosopher, kind of the father of paleoconservatism, not to be confused with

00:15:01.600 neoconservatism. So, Nate, let's pull up number one, and we'll just, we'll apply it as needed,

00:15:09.600 and if not, we'll move on to number two. He said this, people crushed by law have no hopes

00:15:16.880 but from power and boy if there was a statement that described our time it is people now who what

00:15:23.900 or what are they crushed by they're crushed by the law they're crushed by all the rules and

00:15:28.380 regulations you think of all the laws pastoring covid the restrictions people crushed by law

00:15:33.400 have no hopes but from power if laws are their enemies they will be enemies to laws and those

00:15:41.760 who have much hope and nothing to lose will always be dangerous. I love that because it's not

00:15:47.380 nihilistic. Those who have much hope and nothing to lose will always be dangerous. And so I think

00:15:54.700 that that almost perfectly encapsulates what we have right now and why people are so prone

00:16:01.380 to throw their lot in with Donald Trump right now. He has set himself up, even his post a couple

00:16:08.360 weeks ago about uh i don't remember the exact term but about breaking the law is is the is the

00:16:13.860 just law or the just thing to do or the napoleon quote like that um that uh a man who saves his

00:16:22.320 country right uh does no wrong uh breaks no law yeah yeah and so when law when the tax code or

00:16:31.060 when the border immigration policy, or when the requirement for transgender people, so-called

00:16:38.640 transgender people in sports, or that Catholic charities must adopt children to gay parents,

00:16:45.760 or all of these things that are law upon law that are oppressing people, Edmund Burke

00:16:51.160 says power is the only option, the only thing that they can turn to.

00:16:55.420 And I think implicit in his quote is the idea that...

00:16:58.740 You can't just turn to principle.

00:16:59.820 Yes.

00:17:00.120 You need principle, but the principle has to somehow be able to be, there needs to be some mechanism for enforcing the principle.

00:17:09.360 And having powerless, principled losers, you're still oppressed.

00:17:16.660 You can have a clean conscience before God, but you're going to be persecuted. 0.95

00:17:21.320 I don't know if you can.

00:17:22.160 if god has put you in a position and you're unwilling to act for it and not not the average

00:17:27.920 man who's just working a job and supporting a family but the elite the conservative leader

00:17:32.800 the evangelical elite like i don't think they get to have a clean conscience by saying i stuck to

00:17:37.280 my principles and did nothing yeah and i would venture to say that's why we talk so much at

00:17:43.440 least in this time on this show about politics and power because everything like if you think

00:17:48.960 of what the world you want for your children your grandchildren like guys that's not accomplished

00:17:53.120 with like making beautiful music and making beautiful art and like writing stories think

00:17:57.600 of the benedict option right rod rare like we just got to have these these communities where

00:18:02.000 we live out the gospel like none of those things move the needle to getting back to a world that

00:18:07.120 you want your children and your grandchildren to live in there's one remedy that's going to come

00:18:11.600 in and make sure they live in a world that's safe a world that they can prosper a world where they

00:18:16.320 They can work, a world where, I don't know, their food's not poisoned.

00:18:19.840 What's the recourse to all of that?

00:18:21.600 It's going to be, at some level, political power wielded for the good.

00:18:26.480 So in this time, that is one of the most important things at a human, tangible level.

00:18:32.300 Of course, it doesn't supersede the spiritual in terms of ultimate importance.

00:18:35.560 But practically right now, power is the thing that's going to make or break a better world,

00:18:40.500 not just for you, for your children and your grandchildren.

00:18:44.040 Yeah, and Rob Dreher's point is legitimate if society has collapsed, right?

00:18:48.980 Like, then, yeah, you huddle up, you hunker down, you get through.

00:18:53.980 If you're 1% of the population, like, yeah, you're going to have to go to the mountains and eat it out.

00:18:57.840 Yeah, that's a very good point, Wes.

00:19:01.480 And, you know, I'll just speak frankly here.

00:19:06.220 There are episodes when I would rather be talking about, you know, art or literature or things like that, right, or music, or I'd rather be spending my time doing some of those things. 0.97

00:19:17.200 And Christians have been weak in those areas, too. 1.00

00:19:19.460 Yeah, they have.

00:19:19.940 I really do believe that there's a need, you know, one of the needs of the hour is all of Christ for all of life, that we need Christians in medicine, we need Christians in media, we need Christians in art, all these things.

00:19:29.260 and like we even said just the other day i think last week in one of our broadcasts we talked about

00:19:33.600 the importance of uh of storytelling and the narratives are powerful like you talk about

00:19:38.580 power one of the ways that you um that one of the ways that you uh that you garner power um is is by

00:19:46.240 winning the people and you win the people you know in the same way it's like well you know

00:19:49.900 my facts don't care about your feelings well a lot of people's feelings don't care about your

00:19:54.480 facts. And so there is something to be said for the poetry and prose and the pathos of the preacher

00:20:00.560 or just the citizen to be able to be compelling and persuasive and pull on the heartstrings of

00:20:07.040 an individual. There's a way to do that with guile and manipulation that would be unethical.

00:20:10.900 But there's also a way of doing that with skill and with rhetoric that's truthful and that it's

00:20:16.820 not just a lecture and it's not just a pie chart, but as much as we like charts, but it's a way of

00:20:24.160 telling stories that are true and that actually help you to achieve power because it wins the

00:20:30.880 hearts of people. And there is a power that comes by numbers. But you're right. So all those things,

00:20:36.380 we're not saying that they don't matter, but it seems like there's a lot of lessons that we're

00:20:39.660 all learning in real time. I mean, that's the whole problem with all this, all the way back

00:20:44.380 to like 2020. We were all learning in 15 minutes, but we should have carefully studied over the

00:20:50.500 course of 15 years you know we were all myself you know absolutely included in this um under you

00:20:56.740 know understanding what is you know what actually is tyranny and uh when when does it become incumbent

00:21:02.720 upon christians you know in order to exercise you know civil disobedience or resistance and

00:21:08.700 you know all these and and it basically just hasn't stopped i don't know how you guys feel

00:21:12.940 but for me it feels like after 2020 i remember you know initially kind of thinking man this is

00:21:18.580 a big one it's you know god is kind of uh you know he's he's you know separating the wheat and

00:21:24.940 the tares and you know and and um but but we're going to get this all settled you know and ironed

00:21:29.880 out and we'll lose a lot of guys that we thought were with us but they're really not but then we'll

00:21:34.040 move forward and um but i've realized at least for myself personally ever since 2020 it's just

00:21:39.960 been one lesson after another after another another test another test another test and it's

00:21:44.820 It feels like the Gideon kind of thing.

00:21:47.000 It's like God gives, you know, certain tests and like, okay, a bunch of, you know, Gideon's army goes home.

00:21:52.040 And then he gives another test and it's like, whoa, we've already whittled down.

00:21:54.880 I thought we had our running.

00:21:55.940 Yeah, I thought that.

00:21:56.840 I think that's enough.

00:21:58.180 And he whittles it down even further.

00:22:00.340 And I feel like every six months for five years now, that's kind of in his providence, that seems to be what the Lord's been doing.

00:22:07.980 And so anyway, so there's all these lessons we're learning in real time.

00:22:10.800 and and so we don't want to i think it's it's not either or it's it's it's all of them so we're

00:22:16.560 collecting virtues and collecting you know emphases and things that are important and story

00:22:22.300 and art is certainly one of them and so we're not moving on from that and we'll continue to do

00:22:26.620 episodes like that but but one of the big lessons that i feel like we've been learning over the last

00:22:31.360 five years um is is that uh that the christianity is not a religion of passivity like if i could

00:22:40.040 sum it up in a word it would be uh christians are not pacifists and here's the thing it's like

00:22:45.580 okay well we got it let's move on but do we like john piper just just posted something recently

00:22:51.480 recently not just his infamous you know somebody you know was an intruder and broke into my home

00:22:56.380 i would let him you know completely you know have his way with my wife and murder my family you know 0.91

00:23:01.240 because he may not be a christian and i would you know or if i could i would you know bust a wyatt 1.00

00:23:05.340 erp you know and i would shoot the gun out of his hand you know like all these ridiculous things 1.00

00:23:09.080 but basically saying like but i'm not going to kill him because he's an 1.00

00:23:11.900 unbeliever that would send him to hell i i would kill him 0.99

00:23:15.180 right and i wouldn't lose any sleep if somebody's an intruder in my home i have 1.00

00:23:19.780 an obligation under god to protect my wife and my 0.95

00:23:22.680 children i absolutely would shoot him and i'm 0.98

00:23:25.220 not aiming for the leg i'm not aiming for you know to like a 0.99

00:23:28.200 wider like i'm i'm aiming for the chest leading with him as it shakes like

00:23:31.820 please turn around and i'm gonna double tap i'm like i'm

00:23:35.140 gonna ensure that the job is done and so but my point is that like this

00:23:39.000 is still a reoccurring theme for evangelicals. John Piper has a massive platform. It's not just

00:23:44.120 some fringe opinion from the sidelines. It is still, I think, in many ways, it is the reigning

00:23:49.180 consensus of Christians, particularly Protestants and evangelicals, that power is icky and that

00:23:56.660 Christians are principled pacifists. So, that's why we're talking about it.

00:24:01.680 Or, this is the lesson that I've learned through this, and it's an extension of what you've said,

00:24:08.220 but the lesson that I've had to learn and I'm still learning because I can say it and it still 0.91

00:24:12.780 unsettles me a little bit the lesson that I have learned is I was always okay with Christians

00:24:18.160 having power if it was through the Holy Spirit moving and converting all the hearts so that now 0.92

00:24:25.040 they all agree with the Christian position it was not Christians have power and they will use

00:24:31.200 cultural pressure or legal pressure or even trolling on Twitter to exert a Christian perspective

00:24:41.440 on the issue. And so for me, it was the coercion, the perceived coercion that Christians have to do 0.91

00:24:49.880 to exert political power. And what I just am having to get over is it is coercive in a sense, 0.79

00:24:55.720 but it's not a sinful coercion in the same way that it's not a sinful coercion when a father

00:25:00.480 requires that his children obey him when he tells them to do something like of course that's coercion

00:25:05.720 you're going to discipline the child if they if he or she doesn't obey right but that's not a

00:25:11.580 sinful coercion and in my mind coercion was the was the negative never acceptable for christians

00:25:18.620 in and of itself to use coercion at all was inherently wrong yes but the reality is i like

00:25:23.700 at this point i would say that coercion outside of your jurisdiction is what should be so the father

00:25:28.700 is given the rot and so that's a lawful coercion he shouldn't misapply it um but likewise uh the

00:25:35.560 civil magistrate is given he's given um you know the sword but he's also given you know to punish

00:25:41.020 the evildoer but he's also given his by his constituents and those that he represents he's

00:25:45.780 given a certain position with you know x many votes and this much of a voice and like to wield

00:25:51.360 that power uh for the glory of god and the good of his people but even private citizens so that's

00:25:57.260 the home and the state but even private citizens like if you're a business owner you actually it's

00:26:02.080 it's not an unlawful coercion you actually have the power to um to to not hire liberals who hate

00:26:11.980 your way of life and hate your family and want to see your your family replaced by a bunch of 0.94

00:26:18.940 foreigners from the third world like you actually do have that's not unjust you can actually say 0.98

00:26:23.940 deliberately. You can say, yeah, I'm going to hire good people who support our way of life,

00:26:32.400 who want to see it flourish, who love my family and my children, and who don't want to see 0.95

00:26:38.420 the eradication of America or the eradication of white people or the eradication of Christians or 0.97

00:26:44.980 whatever it may be. And so even that is, you know, you have power as a business owner. You have power 0.99

00:26:50.280 as just an individual person in terms of social media.

00:26:54.520 Like if you have a certain number of following,

00:26:56.600 you actually can, you can levy and utilize power

00:27:00.920 in a certain direction to put pressure on individuals.

00:27:03.760 Like think about this, Vivek Ramaswamy, 0.96

00:27:08.220 who worships demon gods, is not a Christian, 0.78

00:27:12.700 but who has been LARPing as an American.

00:27:15.960 And for everyone in the chat, I understand.

00:27:18.240 I understand he was born in Ohio.

00:27:20.060 I understand that he's second generation, that he was born here in the United States.

00:27:25.660 But Vivek is for India.

00:27:28.360 He is. 0.83

00:27:29.620 And during Christmas, which is a very Western Christian holiday, as Americans are celebrating,

00:27:37.460 and not all of them are celebrating Christ, but many in our nation are celebrating the

00:27:41.280 birth of our Savior, Vivek is firing away mocking Americans, saying that they watched

00:27:46.280 too much television and boy meets world and they didn't go to enough mathletes you know and you 0.99

00:27:51.660 know engineering competitions and that their parents are lax and that the students are dumb 0.88

00:27:58.440 and because of this that real genius and real gifting and real innovation can't be found in 1.00

00:28:04.900 our pathetic country and therefore we have to allow for h1bs because the true you know future 0.98

00:28:10.980 heinsteins um are you know are in india apparently and um and ever since then you've seen he's been 1.00

00:28:19.100 on his apology tour you know basically trying you know going to every quintess you know eating

00:28:24.520 apple pie going to nascar that looked like a texas flag the other right like trying to like

00:28:29.600 like hello my fellow americans how do you do hello how do you do my fellow americans and it's like

00:28:34.920 no like you kind of proved that um like there is something to be said for heritage there is

00:28:42.300 there is something to be said for someone who is second generation but from somewhere else

00:28:48.160 and who who has the the mindset that america i mean this is what it came down to is he proved

00:28:54.160 that for him america first doesn't mean americans first it doesn't mean um heritage americans first

00:29:01.520 it means america likened to a sports team winning on the global stage in terms of its gdp

00:29:08.740 that's what it means and just like a sports team if you're not winning but you have enough

00:29:14.480 resources what do you do you you buy a player from another team right that like that's one of

00:29:19.940 the ways if you ever watch money ball like that's one of the ways that you like the new york yankees

00:29:24.120 would always win they just had a bigger budget than everybody else so like somebody else has

00:29:28.160 a homegrown player who grew up in that city you know what i mean he played little league there and

00:29:32.620 t-ball and all this kind of stuff and one of their scouts found this guy at a young age and they put

00:29:37.760 you know backing and and they they they took a risk on him and they put him in as a rookie but

00:29:42.500 he performed really well and now he plays for the red socks and he's homegrown you know boston boston

00:29:47.800 right boston red socks you know and like he's true blue you know bostonite um but then the new

00:29:53.260 york yankees just offer him a triple you know triple his salary and he goes over there and

00:29:58.540 that's vivek's view of america you're telling me power even in sports is what rules everything

00:30:03.220 yeah money um money is the answer to everything ecclesiastes that's a quote so um all that being

00:30:09.300 said my point is just to say that um yeah like that like that was that was revealing and and

00:30:15.960 reckon you know so i think we're having you know having those moments and realizing okay like

00:30:20.600 Not everybody is really for us, and we need to use the pressure we have.

00:30:28.320 So my whole point in using Vivek was to say that, so where did he go?

00:30:33.660 I mean, he had a lot of influence.

00:30:35.700 He was in the limelight.

00:30:36.920 He had his 15 minutes of fame, and then all of a sudden he's kicked out of a dodge, and I don't think he'll win in Ohio.

00:30:48.540 Maybe he does.

00:30:49.700 it's important that he doesn't yeah but like he but my point is he was relegated he was kind of

00:30:54.780 pushed off of the federal you know big national stage with trump and and my point is how uh

00:31:01.680 because a civil magistrate with the exact title and the exact appointment and the exact uh position

00:31:07.240 and um and authority made that decision no a bunch of just a bunch of minions like like you and i 0.62

00:31:15.140 um over christmas holidays as he's insulting americans and insulting our country we got on

00:31:22.680 and said listen bub like if if you why don't you go back and uh and run for for president of india

00:31:30.260 then yeah like if that's your attitude get out of here right if you don't seriously if if if you

00:31:38.560 think that americans we've already been replaced by dei and all this other and and if you're just

00:31:44.100 with conservatives like this, who needs leftists? If you're just going to sit here and levy

00:31:48.980 one more argument for why Americans don't deserve American jobs, and that they should be

00:31:56.300 outsourced to people on the other side of the world, because, like, let's be honest, it's not

00:32:01.520 because there's geniuses in India that are incomparable to Americans. It's because it's

00:32:07.720 cheaper and for you america first means um gdp uh big line go up and and one of the ways to

00:32:17.120 accomplish that is overhead go down cheaper labor like and if that's who you are then we don't like

00:32:23.340 it and it was literally here's my point tweets like what took down vivek ramaswamy who had a

00:32:30.480 lot of power for a moment he did even if he took eight percent of the vote like coming out of

00:32:35.280 nowhere 80 percent of the presidential vote so who took him out primary twitter like tweets

00:32:40.420 literally tweets so if you think that my point is everybody what makes coercion wrong is when

00:32:46.480 i think when it's when it's outside of your jurisdiction but everybody within your jurisdiction

00:32:51.540 even if you're not an elected official you're not a civil magistrate whether it's as a parent

00:32:56.560 or as a churchman in a congregation and you're wanting that congregation to go the right direction

00:33:02.380 towards the scripture and be courageous in applying the scripture that you have a lot of

00:33:07.120 power just by virtue of being in a church whether it's you know through social media or as a business

00:33:11.880 owner who has the power to determine who you're going to employ and who you're not like we all

00:33:16.780 have power and and and using coercion the power that we have in the realms where the lord has

00:33:22.120 assigned us is not inherently sinful right i want to wrap up this segment um by reading this next

00:33:30.660 quote from Burke, because Wes, what you said a few minutes ago ties into this perfectly. Like,

00:33:35.940 we are hoping for better days ahead, and we're building in that direction. And so Burke said

00:33:43.720 this about force and power. He said, the use of force alone is but temporary. It may subdue for

00:33:51.400 a moment, but it does not remove the necessity of subduing again. So here he's going to contrast

00:33:57.680 force with governance. He says a nation is not governed, which is perpetually to be conquered.

00:34:05.260 And to some degree, what we have now is, I don't think it was always this way, even with two parties,

00:34:11.860 but there is a reconquering of America going on every political cycle. And the stakes,

00:34:20.020 I don't think our grandparents viewed the stakes of an election as the American project might

00:34:26.160 might cease to exist if donald trump you know doesn't win people on the left say the same thing

00:34:32.080 about trump winning they say america as we know is done it's never coming back they say it probably

00:34:37.540 with even more conviction yeah right the side that wants to win or the uh the side that simply

00:34:44.200 wants to be left alone will never beat the side that wants to win that's correct that's that's

00:34:48.860 where we're at you're right um well let's do this real quick are you ready for a commercial break

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00:38:49.700 Capital, boldly deployed. All right, welcome back. We're going to jump a little bit out of the theory

00:38:57.760 and into some specifics uh wes we didn't confirm when do you want to throw in your quote you want

00:39:03.660 to tie it into some of the theory here to to put a ball on that or do you want to save it later on

00:39:08.040 talk about himself actually what he's done so why are we talking about political power again well

00:39:13.860 because trump has done two things at least two things in the last couple of days that has the

00:39:19.700 last 15 minutes yes exactly uh trump woke up this morning and so uh the left is uh more like he never

00:39:27.480 went to bed that's right he never went to bed probably not um he just big mac his way through

00:39:31.820 the night and uh um there have been all sorts of cries about tyranny but the big buzz phrase going

00:39:38.420 around is that we are facing a an impending constitutional crisis constitutional crisis

00:39:46.540 because in particular um the single rights act 1964 is that why they're finally catching up

00:39:54.300 we've been in a constitutional crisis for i was about to say there is one it's called a judge in

00:39:59.200 hawaii at like 11 p.m on a tuesday is like trump must i don't know forfeit the election like the

00:40:04.460 whole you guys remember the whole first term was like that trump'd be like hey we're gonna stop

00:40:07.440 muslims from coming into the country yeah it'd be like a single activist judge like the bottom of

00:40:11.540 the ninth just said no you can't do that yeah and i think they probably got fed up with it until

00:40:17.100 we're getting to the point we're at right now which is exactly what happened because trump had

00:40:21.100 Now, to be fair and to not get right response sued, I will say rounded up a bunch of alleged Trenderagua gang members, Venezuelan gang members.

00:40:32.300 Which are only here, sorry to keep jumping in, but like MS-13 has been here for a while.

00:40:36.860 They've only been here since late 2020 when the border crisis started.

00:40:40.420 This is a violent gang.

00:40:42.080 They don't use gang tattoos, which are more easily identifiable. 1.00

00:40:45.060 So it's a Venezuelan refugee. 0.99

00:40:47.520 That's how they got in.

00:40:48.620 so they've only been here a couple years under we all know what happened as the border was

00:40:53.620 completely porous they've been indicted in uh violence in drugs in murder all these different

00:40:59.540 things these are people you do not want to mess with if only there had been a former presidential

00:41:03.880 candidate who had told us that criminals and gang members were coming across the border

00:41:08.120 but try to do something about it i i remember he got so um destroyed by the by the media when he

00:41:17.420 said criminals and gang members are coming across the border i mean and now it is like he was 100

00:41:22.880 right west you're 100 right about the trend de aragua rise uh fun story for later i have a friend

00:41:29.520 in venezuela who was kidnapped by them at one point and uh released later on that doesn't sound

00:41:34.180 like a fun story no well cool story then um but they they they are they don't mess around at all

00:41:41.460 We'll put it that way.

00:41:42.320 So Trump had rounded up a bunch of them and in a great move of international diplomacy

00:41:50.320 had arranged for them to be flown off to El Salvador to be, you know, catered to and taken

00:41:57.760 care of and provided hospitality, given good gainful employment.

00:42:02.260 That's right.

00:42:03.800 And so this judge on Saturday, they go to the federal judge and the judge says,

00:42:11.460 makes a ruling that says, no, you cannot deport these alleged gang members. And I guess the

00:42:18.000 legal ruling was there has been no substantial proof that they are gang members or something

00:42:23.360 like that. And so it appears that they were already on the planes and that at least two

00:42:30.240 of the planes are already in the air, probably outside of U.S. sovereign airspace. And the judge

00:42:37.000 says if you read the the ruling it was just so arrogant the judge says the president cannot do

00:42:42.780 that and if he has already done it i so order that the planes be returned immediately and if

00:42:49.620 that can't happen that no prisoners disembark at their destination point and when you read it when

00:42:55.620 you hear the quote read it's just like this this toddler throwing a fit who are you yeah like let

00:43:00.880 me go ahead so then the plane had already taken off it sounds like steven miller who's like trump's

00:43:05.920 right-hand guy super great he orchestrated this to get the plane off so it landed and then judge

00:43:11.280 his name is boasberg he said he's demanding answers from the trump administration whether

00:43:17.800 any flight with individuals subject to the proclamation took off after did they land after

00:43:22.240 so this morning monday morning rolled in first thing and said you have to answer for me did you

00:43:28.320 take off did you land what have you done about this order as if he rules the place yep imagine

00:43:33.820 a judge a federal judge thinking that um he has the authority like this is the actual

00:43:39.620 constitutional crisis right the idea that these these low-ranking judges are they elected uh

00:43:47.380 federal judges no they're appointed they're not they're appointed so a non-elected yeah judge

00:43:52.920 is going to somehow yes be the true leader of the united states over the president

00:43:59.720 who was elected both electorally and in the popular vote by the citizens of the united states

00:44:08.100 that's insane yeah that's unconstitutional let's get into that super quickly because

00:44:12.180 the constitution lays out so article one is congress and article one is the biggest and

00:44:16.820 the most power is granted because that's the most immune from kind of like the people all in one go

00:44:21.640 over six months getting an idea it kind of protects it against extremes so you have article one which

00:44:26.520 is for Congress, which is the biggest section of the three. Article two lays out the executive

00:44:30.560 branch. Article three is the shortest in the Constitution, Article one, two, and three. And

00:44:35.440 that lays out the judicial branch. And there's, of course, differing theories on this. But let's

00:44:39.580 pull up this quote. This is from Alexander Hamilton in the Federalist Papers. This is

00:44:43.300 prior to the ratification of the Constitution, the Federalist arguing for what this would look like

00:44:49.000 if the states were to ratify the Constitution. How would we be organized? So Alexander Hamilton

00:44:53.660 said this in Federalist paper number 78. The executive, that is the president, not only

00:44:58.740 dispenses the honors, but holds the sword of the community. The legislature, that would be Congress,

00:45:03.500 not only commands the purse, but prescribes the rules by which the duties and the rights of every

00:45:07.880 citizen are to be regulated. The judiciary, on the contrary, has no influence over either the sword

00:45:14.860 or the purse, over justice or over how money is spent, no direction either to the strength or the

00:45:20.400 wealth of the society and can take no active resolution whatsoever it may truly be said to

00:45:26.520 have neither force nor will and hamilton capitalizes that in the original papers i didn't capitalize

00:45:31.880 them here in this quote it may truly be said that the judiciary has neither force nor will

00:45:38.620 but merely judgment and must ultimately depend upon the aid of the executive arm even for the

00:45:44.420 efficacy of his judgments now federalist papers they're not binding they're not canon they're not

00:45:50.040 the Constitution, but in the framing of it, and this is referenced in Marbury versus Madison,

00:45:55.240 1803, which established judicial review, they all were looking back to the founders.

00:45:59.720 What were they intending for the judiciary branch to do?

00:46:02.300 And most certainly, they did not intend for, like you said, someone unelected, someone

00:46:07.080 unappointed for life, barking orders at the executive branch and all of the power he's

00:46:11.600 been giving and deciding whether they like it or not.

00:46:14.220 this was never in the scope of the framing of the constitution of how we've done rule of law

00:46:20.080 and so ultimately sovereign is he who decides the exception like this is why it's so important i

00:46:26.960 think so good that trump has said at the end of the day this is not how this was ever supposed

00:46:31.480 to function and he who saves his country he violates no law the reality is it's just rich

00:46:38.120 to hear joel you mentioned this in the last segment the the left shrieking about constitutional

00:46:44.160 crisis because the president is ignoring a federal judge, which, I mean, we're not even

00:46:50.080 sure that he ignored a federal judge, right?

00:46:51.600 This was an operation that was days and weeks in the making.

00:46:55.180 It involved international negotiations and diplomacy with El Salvador.

00:46:59.000 And then, you know, it's not like they went to a judge beforehand and the judge says,

00:47:04.060 no, don't make sure, or if you're going to do it, make sure you do this step and this

00:47:07.260 step.

00:47:07.760 This was already like 99% of the way done.

00:47:10.980 And at the last minute, the judge is like, nope, pull the extension cord.

00:47:14.160 And it's like, well, the plane's already taken off.

00:47:17.360 So but even even let's grant the point, let's grant the case that even if Trump had ignored

00:47:23.040 this federal judge, this is certainly not the first time this has happened.

00:47:26.860 I did a little bit of research.

00:47:28.240 And so not just a federal judge, but the Supreme Court presidents have ignored Supreme Court

00:47:35.620 rulings basically since the beginning of our nation.

00:47:38.700 So let's go to image number one there.

00:47:40.980 So this is just a few of the times where presidents have just completely ignored a ruling by the Supreme Court.

00:47:48.020 Abe Lincoln did it by rescinding habeas corpus.

00:47:52.520 FDR did it with Schechter Poultry because he wanted to insist on wage. 0.66

00:47:59.880 I think it was minimum wage laws, and the Supreme Court said you can't do it, or at least this way, and he just did it anyway.

00:48:05.240 Truman did it during the war with taking over some of the sheet metal companies because he needed them to be producing weapons and tanks and whatnot for the war.

00:48:22.000 Reagan did it in regards to the power of labor unions.

00:48:27.600 Bush did it with Guantanamo Bay.

00:48:30.300 And Biden did it with the kerfuffle over whether or not landlords could evict tenants who hadn't paid during COVID.

00:48:41.100 So real quick, though, you're telling me that the guys who overrode, Nathan, let's pull that up one more time so I can see.

00:48:46.880 These are the presidents who overrode Supreme Court orders.

00:48:50.060 Abraham Lincoln, FDR, Harry Truman, Ronald Reagan, George W. Bush, and Joe Biden.

00:48:56.240 Right now, I feel like you're trying to convince me that this is a bad thing.

00:49:00.840 Go to the next graph then, Nate.

00:49:03.060 Because I'm not a huge fan of any of those guys.

00:49:05.100 This is going all the way back.

00:49:06.740 These are presidents who have defied Supreme Court, not just a federal judge.

00:49:12.800 Okay.

00:49:13.140 Supreme Court decisions and just told the court, go pound sand, I'm doing it anyway.

00:49:17.940 okay so this is this is definitely uh so this goes all the way back to the 18 jefferson um you know

00:49:24.140 third president because here we have we've got nixon we've got theodore roosevelt we've got

00:49:29.600 andrew jackson we've got a ulysses s grant yep and jackson famously said john marshall justice

00:49:35.460 john marshall has made his decision yep now let him enforce it yeah right because there is no

00:49:39.620 enforcement mechanism of the court who said the judiciary branch uh andrew jackson jackson so you

00:49:44.460 see that the colors up there so the x is correspond to how we would classify these um presidents with

00:49:51.300 the modern idea of conservative conservative and liberal and it's a pretty equal distribution

00:49:55.200 actually um but all sides both sides have have decided you know what the court they can say

00:50:01.500 whatever they want we're doing this anyway and so the idea that the nation is literally going to

00:50:07.420 fall apart right now because Trump supposedly disregarded what some federal judge said is

00:50:15.100 preposterous on its face. Secondly, I think to go into what you said, Wes, I think Trump realized

00:50:21.160 that that was not an Achilles heel, but a frequently used tactic against him the first

00:50:25.940 time around. I think he wants a case like this to be triggered up to the Supreme Court because I

00:50:30.820 think he wants clarity for the future. I think he wants the Supreme Court to rule that low level

00:50:37.200 federal and district judges cannot step in and counterman the president of the united states when

00:50:43.260 when he's doing this sort of thing so it seems like he's actually kind of picking a fight on

00:50:47.980 this issue and i'm that's the sort of thing where we talked about at the beginning like he's trying

00:50:51.860 to exert power and he's trying to do it both to achieve his short-term goals let's kick out the

00:50:57.980 gang members and to achieve longer-term goals of let's weaken the exec or the uh the bureaucratic

00:51:03.920 state and let's return the power to where it goes if we're going to continue to have the constitution

00:51:08.040 it needs to be it needs to look more like it did you know back when it was originally written

00:51:13.640 right i noticed a lot of those too they came at the beginning of terms so covet 19 joe biden's

00:51:18.600 the war on terror early on in george w bush's term watergate early in nixon terms there are

00:51:23.900 early conflicts that set the stage for win or lose the rest of the administration four years

00:51:29.000 Yep. Or the next eight years. Right. Yeah. Yeah. That's 100 percent true. So the idea that we are in a constitutional crisis is is really I don't know.

00:51:40.240 It's just preposterous. But the point is not to win the political issue, whether or not Trump was right to or whether or not Trump did defy the judge or not.

00:51:50.200 the point again that we're trying to i'm trying to make at least is i actually don't care if trump

00:51:55.720 did right like even if the if the judge the day before had said you can't do this i would hope

00:52:01.400 trump would have said okay we're doing it like this is the right thing to do and we're going to

00:52:05.980 do it a lot more and and that's really the issue is is um the idea like like uh kirk um russell

00:52:15.340 kirk not charlie kirk um the guy that we quoted in the cold opening his idea of conservatism is

00:52:20.380 that conservatism preserves permanent things i think that's a really good way to think about it

00:52:27.020 like we don't like the term neoconservatives anymore we don't like the term conservatism

00:52:32.020 because it's it's so mixed in with neocon globalist ideas but kirk argued that the true

00:52:40.700 conservative preserves permanent things and so if the president is going to rule as a conservative

00:52:47.240 president what his goal is is preserving permanent things like the security and identity of of the

00:52:56.340 nation and insofar as he's preserving legitimate um permanent things like let's let's give more

00:53:02.680 power to that let's give more emphasis and attention to that i'm all for that sort of thing

00:53:09.040 yeah absolutely well said okay um well i i mean we could go to our second break now we're coming

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00:55:51.720 All right, we were just talking during the commercial break.

00:55:54.320 that's something to point out like we try not to be excessive with it something to notice

00:55:59.180 to observe we try not to do it a lot but like you do need to see this like this judge demanding

00:56:03.440 that the trump administration keep violent venezuelan gang members who have murdered 0.81

00:56:08.200 american citizens who have run a drug operation ring this drug this drug this judge was jewish

00:56:14.100 and real quick uh one of the guys in the chat called cool dude uh but he pointed out and i

00:56:19.200 thought it was helpful he because he's right he said uh we've got to break out of the mindset we

00:56:24.180 can't afford to be so naive uh these are not bleeding heart libs right i just well i care

00:56:29.280 for the downcast and the downtrodden and you know and those who are oppressed he said no this is

00:56:34.380 malicious they want they're wanting to open the borders and then now because trump is closing

00:56:39.760 them uh they want to be able to somehow maintain retain um the what it's the purpose of a system

00:56:47.280 is whatever it does right right and and the the aims and intentions of a person like jesus said

00:56:54.180 this right this isn't like oh that's carl schmidt and and uh and he was a nazi no no no there's

00:56:59.900 another little guy who said this once upon a time his name is jesus christ the son of god second

00:57:04.340 member of the the divine trinity he said you'll know a tree by its fruit right and so when when

00:57:09.960 somebody is like hey uh there's a group of people they might be rapists i'm i'm going to do everything

00:57:16.500 i can to make sure that they're in this country well then you're you're an enemy of the country 0.99

00:57:21.660 you are a traitor it's treason like you hate america you were trying to destroy america 0.92

00:57:26.240 so that guy was jewish but here's our point bringing up credit where credit is due the 0.99

00:57:30.940 mastermind of this is a guy named stephen miller mastermind of of trump's roundup of

00:57:35.580 get them out this dude his whole life his existence he is pretty much dedicated to

00:57:40.180 illegal immigration and closing the border he's one of trump's right hand guys the system is what

00:57:45.000 it does this guy what he does his fruit is yep and his name is steven miller and he's jewish and

00:57:50.220 he is awesome so basically in one side it was steven miller and he collaborated with the head

00:57:54.920 of homeland security uh christy gnome they masterminded this together so you had steven

00:57:59.760 miller who's jewish and a jewish judge who said don't do it and steven miller who said i'm doing

00:58:04.300 it anyway because i love my people he's the one that said at madison square garden like america

00:58:08.160 is for americans only amen and we bring it up just you know we get a lot of flack for

00:58:12.400 you know hating jews and we don't um but but we just we like we're just not going to play that

00:58:19.000 game of like oh that you know you must never go there you must never say that thing you must never

00:58:23.360 notice uh no that there is um there is absolutely a disproportionate amount of you know it's three

00:58:30.420 percent of the population is jewish and there's a disproportionate amount of jewish people in

00:58:36.300 positions of of government in our nation and not all not even close to all but many of them do have

00:58:43.220 dual citizenship if you look at like at the federal level how many federal you know electives

00:58:49.800 have dual citizenship america and another country and then of those who have dual citizenship

00:58:56.100 is there any particular country other than america that seems to have is it nigeria most is it yeah

00:59:02.780 Yeah, do we have a bunch of...

00:59:03.620 Is it Madagascar? 0.99

00:59:04.300 No, it's Israel.

00:59:05.920 And I just, like, we just have to be able to admit that that's, it represents, you know, like we've said this before, I'll say it again.

00:59:14.020 If I was king for the day, you would not be permitted to have dual citizenship and serve as an elected official in American politics.

00:59:22.380 We need to know that you don't have any contingency plan. 0.97

00:59:26.240 You don't have any fallback.

00:59:27.800 There's, no, you don't have an escape route.

00:59:30.780 You don't have dual loyalties.

00:59:32.120 no your your full unfettered allegiance is to these united states it's your home you've burnt

00:59:38.260 the ships if you came from somewhere else you've burnt the ships you're not going back this is

00:59:42.180 your home like ruth your people will be my my people your god will be my god what does that

00:59:46.960 mean it doesn't just mean the acceptance of the people in israel in the case of ruth a different

00:59:52.260 kind of israel very different than the modern you know jewish state today but it wasn't just

00:59:57.040 the acceptance of the Israeli people and acceptance of the triune God, of the Christian God, but it

01:00:04.860 was also, it was a full-throated whole rejection of the Moabites and false Moabite gods. What she's 0.80

01:00:12.320 saying when she says, your people will be my people, she's saying, I am forsaking my own people

01:00:16.860 and I am also forsaking my people's foreign gods. And even in the case of Ruth, Ruth, you know, 0.72

01:00:24.580 she marries Boaz, and they have, their son is Jesse? Not Jesse. No. Obed. Obed. Obed. And then

01:00:33.860 Obed fathers Jesse, and then Jesse fathers David. And so then what you have there is the second 0.63

01:00:39.420 king in Israel right after Saul, and the kingdom is removed from him because of his faithlessness, 0.58

01:00:44.580 not faithfulness, but faithlessness, and given to David. So the first, in many ways, not the first 0.61

01:00:50.260 king, but the first godly king in Israel comes from the line of Ruth. So, there really is such

01:00:56.180 a thing as assimilation. There really is such a thing as assimilation. But what does that

01:01:00.840 assimilation look like? At least three things to point out. Number one, a full rejection. She 0.86

01:01:05.800 doesn't come in and try to start Chinatown, Little Italy, Moabite. Little Moab. Little Moab, 0.98

01:01:12.200 you know, in some region of Israel. No, no, no. I reject my people and I reject my foreign gospel.

01:01:17.240 Number one, she assimilates. She fully assimilates. I'm going to speak Hebrew. And how do you 0.67

01:01:23.820 assimilate in this case? One of the chief ways is she marries in. She marries in, which I'll say, 1.00

01:01:29.920 and this gets me flack, I've got guys who are to the left of me. I've got guys who are to the right

01:01:33.960 of me. I'm going to say it, Wes. I'm going to say it. But this is one of the reasons why it depends

01:01:40.760 what you mean, but in the technical capital letter case, I am not a kinest because I personally

01:01:51.300 believe, biblically speaking, and just as, you know, just studying sociology and the way that

01:01:57.480 nations work, the way that peoples work, they're really long-term, there really is no true ultimate

01:02:04.400 assimilation apart from intermarriage. That ultimately the way that, you know, whether it's 0.84

01:02:10.420 the irish who and and i absolutely agree that when it comes to any in any nation take america

01:02:15.280 out of the equation it doesn't have to be america but any nation there are other peoples other

01:02:20.260 nations outside of that nation that are more or less compatible certainly right haiti is not as

01:02:26.100 compatible with america as england or canada right and so when the irish came at the time

01:02:32.140 they weren't super compatible but in all fairness the irish the fighting strong-headed the i have

01:02:39.100 But the Irish still would have been far more compatible with an Anglo-Protestant American culture than the Sudan, right? 0.75

01:02:47.960 I think we can all agree on that.

01:02:49.800 But a lot of people were upset about Irish immigration when that was taking place.

01:02:53.740 But ultimately, the Irish did assimilate over time, and one of the chief ways that they did that is through marriage.

01:03:01.620 And that's what we see with Israel when we do see certain peoples come in, whether it's Rahab or whether it's Ruth.

01:03:06.740 What they don't do is they don't come in and set up shop as an embassy, an outpost of their previous nation in the middle. 0.73

01:03:18.000 No, they forsake their people.

01:03:20.900 That's one.

01:03:21.640 They forsake false gods.

01:03:23.760 So they forsake idolatry.

01:03:26.860 That's two.

01:03:27.440 So it's social, right?

01:03:29.520 People. 0.82

01:03:30.240 It's religious.

01:03:31.040 and then the last thing I was going to point out in the case of Ruth

01:03:35.160 is David eventually, he's king

01:03:37.620 but you know who's not king? Ruth

01:03:40.920 and also Obed

01:03:43.680 and also Jesse, it's not until 0.62

01:03:47.300 Ruth comes in and it's not until

01:03:50.360 in terms of generations she marries Boaz, Obed

01:03:53.800 then Jesse, then David, on the third generation

01:03:57.500 after Ruth, is there something to that?

01:04:01.040 Nah. This is a biblical principle, guys. This is not racist. Well, I mean, it may be racist

01:04:06.520 according to the left standards, because everything's racist. It's not sin. But it's

01:04:10.540 not sin. It is not anything that the Bible forbids. But here's the deal. It is favoritism,

01:04:18.780 because the Bible does not condemn inherently favoritism in all its forms and fashions.

01:04:25.060 There is sinful favoritism, right? Preferring the rich only because they're rich,

01:04:29.860 even when they're wicked at the expense of the righteous in matters of justice right james talks

01:04:35.660 about these kinds of things like so there is a way to be to show sinful favoritism but there is also

01:04:41.600 a way what we're talking about is preference you are allowed to have preference in your flesh in

01:04:46.720 your sin can you have sinful preference that's that's unjustifiable that's baseless and that

01:04:52.580 and that doesn't just prefer one group but actually ends up with an unjustifiable animus

01:04:57.980 towards another group. Yes, and that would be sin. But what Ruth is doing here is she is preferring

01:05:06.080 the people of God over her own idolatrous people. And in this, it's not until three generations

01:05:15.280 later. So that's why I was just going to bring up the biblical principle that in Israel, if someone

01:05:21.060 did, if they were an immigrant, not just a sojourner, we've talked about this before, the 0.77

01:05:24.640 sojourner what didn't stay they didn't stay they eventually went back but if someone was truly an

01:05:29.620 immigrant and they were they would come they would assimilate but it wouldn't be until the

01:05:34.300 third generation and some some nations depending how compatible compatible that gets back to the

01:05:39.620 compatibility piece that sudan is less compatible than england you know in the case of america

01:05:44.180 well for some nations that had historic grievances where they had they had um betrayed

01:05:50.760 the people of God in a severe way, the Lord remembered that. And as a judgment towards them,

01:05:57.100 there were some nations where he said, not until the 10th generation. And can you be fully

01:06:03.100 assimilated in and have all the rights and privileges, particularly as it pertained to

01:06:07.980 worship in the temple and access to the temple, not until the 10th generation. But for most,

01:06:13.480 the default was three generations. And what you see is three generations removed from Ruth,

01:06:20.220 who was a Moabitess, who came from idolaters and came from foreign people in a foreign land that 0.96

01:06:25.780 worshipped foreign gods, but three generations removed from Ruth, all of a sudden, you have a 0.55

01:06:30.620 guy who in the sight of God is an Israelite, a true Israelite in every way. Not just, I came on 0.60

01:06:40.480 the magic dirt and said the magic words, and I ate Jewish apple pie, and now I'm an Israelite.

01:06:46.880 no, no, no, no, no. I memorized, you know, the books of Moses and I can like, no, no, it takes

01:06:53.020 time. And Ruth, she did not come and set up little Moabite in Israel. She assimilated. She did it

01:07:00.500 through intermarriage. She did it through forsaking her people, forsaking those gods. And it took time, 1.00

01:07:06.240 not 15 minutes, multiple generations. And it wasn't until the third generation removed from Ruth

01:07:12.200 that uh you you had truly um a guy who was such an israelite uh that he was fit to be king yep

01:07:20.060 that's that's what we're talking about that's like for all the people like oh well you're

01:07:25.060 you're kinest well i'm quite literally not um because i actually think if i was if i was king

01:07:30.500 for a day this is all some guys to my right won't like this but i'm gonna say number one

01:07:35.520 we need to immediately deport about 30 million people maybe 50 but at least 30 million people

01:07:41.900 that's just the last four years guys that's just the last four years immediately deport about 30

01:07:47.500 million people and not just the criminals not just the criminals well yeah um and so immediate

01:07:53.260 deportations you got to build the wall feel free to build a second wall behind it you know like

01:07:57.880 whatever whatever it takes my i mean our tax dollars have been going towards teaching 0.86

01:08:02.020 transgenderism in pakistan so i mean that second wall would be a better expenditure than

01:08:06.080 And, you know, most of the things my taxes have gone towards lately. 1.00

01:08:09.640 So so stop immigration, deport a ton of immigrants. 1.00

01:08:14.600 But then here's the deal. 1.00

01:08:16.640 We are still going to be it'd be better.

01:08:19.120 Immediate improvement, economically, you know, crime would go like, I mean, immediate improvement if we could achieve that.

01:08:25.820 But we're still going to have a fraction divided nation.

01:08:28.440 And what it ultimately will take is time.

01:08:31.840 It's going to take, I would guess, there was a point if we had done these things 100 years

01:08:36.180 earlier, right?

01:08:36.920 This is how sin works.

01:08:38.080 We've been sinning.

01:08:38.900 This is sin.

01:08:39.600 Globalism is a sin.

01:08:41.560 It is a sin to rejecting the order of mores and not loving, not having a preference for 0.84

01:08:48.100 your own people, but your fellow Americans and allowing the third world to just flood 0.98

01:08:52.540 in is a sin. 1.00

01:08:53.780 It really is.

01:08:54.820 And here's the way sin works.

01:08:56.060 The longer you take to repent of sin, the more complicated and harder that repentance process is.

01:09:03.600 So if we had done it 100 years earlier, maybe it would have been easier. 0.91

01:09:06.380 At this point, we would have to deport at least 30 million people, build a wall. 0.72

01:09:10.240 And I would guess it would probably take about 100 to 150 years for everyone to fully assimilate and to actually be able to say, all my fellow American citizens really are also heritage American people, really American. 0.61

01:09:29.120 And what's one of the things that I'm assuming in that?

01:09:32.720 I'm assuming that in 100 to 150 years, that there would be, maybe not universally, maybe not entirely, but there would be a significant, that would be enough time for there to be a significant degree of intermarriage.

01:09:47.560 And that's ultimately what it would require.

01:09:51.340 And apart from that, our nation is terribly divided, religiously divided, politically divided.

01:10:00.100 We've got people in America by the millions that don't even speak English.

01:10:03.700 They don't even speak the language.

01:10:05.740 You too have been to the DMV recently. 1.00

01:10:08.620 Nations can't. It's not viable. 1.00

01:10:11.220 My daughter took her driver's test.

01:10:14.400 This was a couple months ago now.

01:10:15.880 but when she got in the car with the guy to take the driving test he just sighed he said oh you

01:10:23.620 speak english he said i feel like i'm taking my life he told her this he said i basically he said

01:10:29.780 i feel like i'm taking my life on my hands when i issue these tests because i'll tell the guy

01:10:33.860 turn left at the light and they just fly through the light and he's like here this is not where

01:10:39.300 we're going and he just here in texas yes and you know what it wasn't latinos that he was referring

01:10:47.400 to oh no just just throwing that out the muslims or hindus or hindus yeah yeah um yeah i mean

01:10:56.580 you know it's interesting because the the verse that the the progressive christians always liked

01:11:02.900 to quote was in jeremiah 29 where where god commands israel to seek the welfare of the city

01:11:08.440 that they're in um but what we forget about that context is god was judging them and they were

01:11:15.420 going to be in israel for 70 years and then leaving babylon for sorry in babylon for 70 years

01:11:21.100 and then leaving and and that's why they weren't supposed to intermarry that's a hundred percent

01:11:25.420 they weren't supposed to stay there that's not the marching orders for any time you go and move

01:11:30.600 into timothy keller told me no that's what like that's my point like that was like when god wanted

01:11:36.700 there to be a specific okay wait we're breaking the pattern he gave specific instructions but the

01:11:43.600 norm is because this is not the first time that there have been refugees and wars and

01:11:48.300 famines that cause people to move and and the normal order is people get absorbed into the

01:11:54.980 nation that they go in it was a miraculous providence that god kept the messianic line

01:11:59.620 steady through the old testament right by having israel even in egypt and even in babylon

01:12:05.560 Preserve themselves as a distinct people

01:12:08.980 And that messianic line did include 0.72

01:12:11.280 Some immigration

01:12:13.220 But emphasis on some

01:12:15.480 Rahab and Ruth

01:12:16.700 And if I'm remembering correctly

01:12:18.780 That's just about it 1.00

01:12:20.040 And those are both women too 1.00

01:12:21.140 That are coming in and joining a man's line

01:12:23.060 So they're not men that have come in

01:12:25.140 From another tribe and people

01:12:26.320 And there is an emphasis on that

01:12:27.420 Like the Israelite soldiers

01:12:28.760 When they went into Jericho 0.99

01:12:29.840 Or not Jericho

01:12:30.800 But the other cities they conquered 1.00

01:12:31.840 They were able to take wives 1.00

01:12:32.960 And bring them back in 0.99

01:12:34.040 but none of the men were ever allowed to come back or even women that had already had children 1.00

01:12:38.240 it would only be unmarried women that they were allowed to bring back right and they were to

01:12:42.260 become israeli or israelite yeah citizens wouldn't really be the term but residents right live there

01:12:46.860 and be married and so some measure the point is like some measure of immigration that with the

01:12:53.120 full intent on assimilation where there's a real forsaking of your previous people your previous

01:12:59.560 religion. I want to be American. I want to work. America is a Christian country. I want to worship

01:13:06.560 the Christian triune God and an acknowledgement of I'm a guest. I intend to stay. I'm fully

01:13:13.960 assimilated. But really, there's a real sense, this will be controversial, but there's a real

01:13:20.080 sense in which for that first generation, especially my entire life, I'm going to behave

01:13:26.860 respectfully um as a privileged guest right i don't know why that's controversial i've spent

01:13:34.080 a lot of time internationally and i don't think any other like like anyone going to an asian nation

01:13:40.060 they would just be like yes of course like that's because everyone else is allowed to have a country

01:13:43.860 michael no i i know but my point is it's not that controversial the statement it shouldn't be it

01:13:49.220 shouldn't be and most peoples are you know the people who come after me who get angry yeah white

01:13:54.120 people yep like brainwashed liberal is in the west specifically right past the suicide is built

01:14:01.840 into their bones yep like because you're right like no japanese person would be offended by that 0.59

01:14:07.660 they'd be like yeah if if a white englishman moves to japan even with the intent he marries

01:14:13.820 a japanese woman he's going to die in japan live his whole life there um uh if he said but i'm going

01:14:20.900 to behave as a guest recognizing that um that i'm not japanese right he could become a japanese

01:14:28.180 citizen but he's not japanese right and uh but with the recognition that i'm marrying a japanese

01:14:33.400 woman and and eventually my my descendants will be japanese right um but i'm not with the first

01:14:43.780 generation i'm not ever going to fully be japanese because i'm simply not right i'm a brit

01:14:49.240 and I'm proud of that

01:14:50.720 and that's fine

01:14:51.300 but I love Japan

01:14:52.940 I love my wife

01:14:54.060 I love these people

01:14:55.000 I love their customs

01:14:56.280 I love their heritage

01:14:57.320 I love their history

01:14:58.340 and I want my line to be here

01:15:00.240 if someone was to determine

01:15:01.400 now personally 0.57

01:15:02.660 I don't know why an English man

01:15:04.560 would make that decision

01:15:05.420 but if he did

01:15:06.120 if he did

01:15:07.220 that would be the proper disposition

01:15:09.780 like a disposition of humility

01:15:12.540 and on the flip side 1.00

01:15:14.880 the Japanese people

01:15:16.260 should treat him with respect

01:15:17.860 and dignity 0.90

01:15:18.340 you don't you shouldn't uh and that's what what's what israel was told they don't like non-white

01:15:23.860 immigrants they do not like like and uh and if you're pastoring in that scenario that's a whole

01:15:30.180 different dynamic to deal with is right there's one side of the west we're way too welcoming 0.99

01:15:34.020 and then japanese like just straight up like certain classes of people they they will turn

01:15:38.500 off an interview you show up in the interview on video and you're a black man they'll just end the

01:15:42.100 interview right there right wow that's how they are the the analogy would be better if there was

01:15:47.140 like a war in a neighboring Asian country and so the country took some in and and then they said

01:15:53.260 you you can be here um and if this is if your nation is destroyed and you're coming in then 0.99

01:15:58.760 you're gonna have to assimilate but like no no nation would expect the the refugees to come in 0.99

01:16:05.640 and set up shop and start terrorizing or um insisting that that nation look just like the 0.99

01:16:11.280 nation they left like obviously it is sad that disaster happens that war happens but these are

01:16:17.560 things that are under the providence of god and i think what progressive christians in the west

01:16:23.800 and white progressive christians have done is they've said because there's perceived unfairness

01:16:30.460 of a war or a natural disaster in haiti or in the middle east therefore we we can't just welcome

01:16:38.120 them and be hospitable to them we have to become them we have to allow them to make our land

01:16:43.280 theirs and there's a fundamental denial of god's sovereignty over international events like if

01:16:49.060 they're well if if god ordains that a war wipe out a nation often in the old testament that was

01:16:57.600 judgment right and those people what was going to happen the best thing that could happen to those

01:17:02.360 people is they could go to a nation that was at least sympathetic to their plight and they would

01:17:06.840 become that nation right they weren't going there and setting up their own secondary nation in egypt

01:17:12.240 or in assyria or whatever next door to them like their nation was done god had judged it and they

01:17:16.900 would live they would have children they they weren't all necessarily slaughtered but they

01:17:21.680 would no longer live yes yes like the sovereignty and distinctiveness of their people was gone and

01:17:28.840 those things are under the prerogative of god and and that but that what was but nobody was

01:17:34.520 rejoicing about that everybody instinctively understood that this was a judgment from god

01:17:39.420 the bible even explicitly talks about that like uh one of the most severe judgments people think

01:17:46.040 like well all that matters is uh that my name would be written down in the lamb's book of life

01:17:51.100 not that i'm remembered on earth but that i'm remembered by my father in heaven yes midwit

01:17:57.060 yes like yes yes we are perfectly aware and we perfectly affirm we're not just aware we agree

01:18:04.320 that the spiritual and eternal category is the ultimate category, that that matters the most.

01:18:12.780 But the Bible also contains judgments, earthly judgments, and many of them are severe. And the

01:18:19.560 Bible talks about one of the severe judgments of a person is that the Lord would blot out his name

01:18:25.760 from the earth, that no one would remember his name, that he would wipe him out, that he would

01:18:32.560 not give to him offspring to continue his legacy his name that this is a great judgment and if that

01:18:38.900 is a judgment for an individual certainly that is a judgment we see that language with

01:18:42.800 with nations and yet and yet we have reformed ministers we have i mean just the other day i

01:18:49.860 i was just i was curious um and so i tuned in to an interview a discussion between two individuals

01:18:57.800 both are lutheran and um and they were talking about race and talking about nationhood and these

01:19:04.920 kinds of things and one of them who was hosting the interview you know he was doing it um to to

01:19:11.400 challenge and to point out you know um very troubling and concerning views and at a certain 0.98

01:19:17.580 point i mean for me it was shocking um you know that at a certain point he the the french came up

01:19:25.880 as like a hypothetical you know case study and and what was proposed was like well what if uh the

01:19:33.580 entirety of France and the French people the native French people uh what if they were completely

01:19:41.560 replaced and completely eradicated between immigration between war between you know all

01:19:48.680 these different things you know between just their birth rates lowering all that like and 1.00

01:19:52.200 they're completely wiped out and the world moves on but there's no more french people 0.99

01:19:56.120 like would that be sad would that be a tragedy and the guy hosting the interview said uh that 0.98

01:20:04.740 it wouldn't matter just straight up just said like you know and he even made like a joke about

01:20:09.400 it like well you know at least it's the french you know which i get i'm not a huge fan we're

01:20:13.680 with you there i get i appreciate i appreciate a good joke at that you know at the french

01:20:18.360 can we keep the recipes at their expense i'd like to keep the french actually have some

01:20:22.720 incredible cuisine but um but but anyways but like and and the whole interview was was this guy who

01:20:31.100 said it's completely fine if if all of the french are just disappeared and there's no more memory of

01:20:38.260 the the french you know on the earth but but this was the good guy supposedly and the other guy was 0.98

01:20:44.600 the terrible racist who's a heretic and going to hell. And I just, one, it would be great if we 0.98

01:20:53.220 could just, and you can do it strongly. I'm not saying ideas have consequence. Theologies have

01:20:58.480 consequences. You can do it strongly and say, I strongly, strongly disagree with you. And you can

01:21:03.800 even say, and I think the implications of your ideas and your convictions are dangerous. But we

01:21:10.980 are so quick within christianity and especially the reformed world we just anathematize everyone 0.95

01:21:18.400 we don't just say i disagree with you or i think you're wrong we say you're a wolf you're a false 1.00

01:21:24.000 teacher you're you're a goat you're unregenerate you're a reprobate you are going to hell and then 1.00

01:21:31.640 and it's like why because you're a racist you just said you're fine with the french being eradicated 1.00

01:21:37.520 right i don't like both of those who has indifference like i have problems on both sides 0.99

01:21:43.240 of the aisle here but but there's one side that's saying and therefore you're going to hell for

01:21:47.480 eternity and the other side is saying i really you know keeping their their keeping their calm

01:21:55.940 disposition and i think you're really wrong but like so anyway i don't know it's just interesting

01:22:00.900 in isaiah when god pronounces woe on the king of tyre which is a confusing passage because some

01:22:06.400 have interpreted that to be the devil in some cases. But when God is pronouncing the woe on

01:22:13.180 the king of Tyre, he is destroying Tyre and it's in his people. And at the same time, he is just

01:22:20.360 grieved that all the good, the earthly good that the king of Tyre had done by establishing

01:22:26.980 transport and shipping and like producing this very prosperous society that had been good for

01:22:34.360 their own world at the time god is judging them and saying you're done and yet i'm very sad about

01:22:39.980 this because a lot has been good a lot of done has been good globally at that time or in in that

01:22:46.860 sphere of the world through the influence and the prosperity of those people and so even god like

01:22:52.280 in ezekiel it says that god takes no pleasure in the death of the wicked like god does judge

01:22:57.000 nations and wipe them out he wipes out peoples peoples are not he judges nations as nations as

01:23:02.320 nations and peoples but as he does so like there's never a like there is a there's a sadness that

01:23:08.740 that people rebelled and earned that judgment and that you know in a sense um especially a nation

01:23:15.600 that was christian previously like the french like to just say well yeah we could history can

01:23:20.440 just move on from them at that think of the deepness of lamentations like how torn apart

01:23:27.700 his soul is that he sees his people destroyed like that like he's bound to them he loves them

01:23:32.860 he cares for them and he's watching god smite them hand and foot and scatter them and he is

01:23:37.840 torn apart some of the the most anguished writing in all of the bible yeah that is like to see my

01:23:43.800 people go through this is awful yeah to pivot out of this section i'll close with a joke it's clear

01:23:52.420 that we have to establish an Anglo-Protestant ethic

01:23:55.920 because the fact that an American can instinctively say,

01:23:59.960 oh, yeah, but it's the French,

01:24:01.300 and we can all say, oh, yeah, the French,

01:24:02.960 that is because we descended from the English.

01:24:05.160 So there's our proof. 0.84

01:24:07.040 That is a great point.

01:24:08.240 I don't know if we need to hit Autopend.

01:24:09.540 We can probably just go on to a super chat.

01:24:11.420 Yeah, give us something about what happened, maybe.

01:24:12.880 I think we should.

01:24:13.620 Okay, go ahead.

01:24:14.480 I can do it.

01:24:15.000 Go ahead.

01:24:15.360 This is fascinating.

01:24:16.060 So when a president does an executive order,

01:24:18.320 there's obviously a signature at the bottom

01:24:19.780 that one puts their name to it,

01:24:21.540 and it would appear many many many if not almost all of the executive orders issued issued by

01:24:27.920 president biden during his time use the exact same signature so it's not like he got the order

01:24:32.560 he signed it this way he's not the only one who's done this nope he's not the only one who's done

01:24:35.480 this but virtually all of them and this would be a software an application tool called an auto pen

01:24:40.260 well he pardoned a number of individuals before leaving office right last day hey if anthony

01:24:45.560 fauci ever jaywalked in his life issued a pardon was issued if anthony fauci ever jaywalked last

01:24:50.620 25 years i hereby pardon trump said this morning right it's 3 a.m he's up he's he's he's putting

01:24:56.840 out bangers big mac and he declared all of the pardons that contained that auto pen signature

01:25:01.860 because here's the deal if someone has the software they could write anything slap his

01:25:05.780 name on it and it would carry the weight and authority of the president how do we even know

01:25:08.220 it was joe biden yeah exactly so trump said nolan void i'm ignoring all those meaning he can go

01:25:13.220 after the justice department that tried to take him out that tried to throw him in jail the january

01:25:18.360 six committee anthony fauci and it's and i get it like i get the conservative that like they're

01:25:24.000 older and they're like guys this is unprecedented yeah it 100 is but at a certain point you have

01:25:30.140 to cross the rubicon like it is unprecedented but that's what was unprecedented was first what

01:25:35.180 we experienced right 2021 through 2024 we're in uncharted waters a president saying hey these

01:25:41.120 are done with the software i'm declaring them null and void hey a judge told us to turn it around

01:25:44.680 pound sand yeah like it's scary i get it the only way out is through there's no going back at this

01:25:51.460 point it is scary we had 250 years yeah for them yeah it would be very painful for you the intrigue

01:25:59.560 is a little bit deeper though because the heritage foundation did some analysis of those

01:26:04.160 executive order signatures and they found that some of the pardons that were closest to the

01:26:10.040 biden family were actually a different auto pen signature than the ones than the one that had been

01:26:16.440 used on all of the executive orders that he probably legitimately attached his signature to

01:26:22.800 with with auto pen it's slightly like this is a computer image that gets attached and so it's not

01:26:29.080 like well there's some variation in the signature of someone's handwriting they're they're well yeah

01:26:34.100 let's go ahead and show it nate since we got into it so these are these are the two different

01:26:38.380 signatures um auto pen a and auto pen b and they've zoomed in and there's periods and and dots

01:26:44.880 that are slightly yeah it's right there slightly different and so what the implication is is that

01:26:51.040 some of the pardons that were issued at the end of biden's presidency were not issued with the

01:26:58.120 official auto pen of the office of the president that had been used on a lot of the executive

01:27:02.740 orders they were issued by presumably some other actor does that include uh hunter biden and do

01:27:09.460 you know do you know what document had a different signature the one where he said he was dropping

01:27:13.400 out of the presidential race yes that signature differed from all the autopilot man right when

01:27:17.580 that happened yep i thought like a tweet like that's it's just and he was holding strong in

01:27:24.280 public i'm committed i'm doing this and then we didn't see him for a while yep and he was sick

01:27:29.440 remember it's like joe biden's sick we like nobody had seen him people were wondering like

01:27:33.500 is he even alive and then there's just a tweet that like a random staffer could have done that

01:27:38.120 gotten a hold of his twitter account you know and just and put it out there and you're saying

01:27:42.780 that that signature is one of the anomalies as i understand that signature then is completely

01:27:48.360 different right oh something like forced or whatever like this wasn't even a staffer had

01:27:52.940 the software that one's even different from those ones that were used i don't know what the

01:27:57.800 implications of it are no it was to me it was clearly a coup you know like it seems like pretty

01:28:03.580 clear that after that debate and all of a sudden they couldn't you know they couldn't it was you

01:28:09.040 know it was a weekend at bernie's you know for four years in the white house and uh you know

01:28:14.460 with a dead corpse that they're you know you know attaching to strings and using like a puppet to

01:28:19.040 make him seem like he's still alive but once once they couldn't pull that past the people anymore

01:28:24.540 i mean the you know republicans we knew that even in the primaries all the way back in 2020 we're

01:28:30.000 like joe biden is barely alive you can't this guy can't be the president democrats were he's

01:28:36.020 he's sharp as a tack sharp as a tack they kept saying you know rehearsing the same lines you

01:28:40.580 know as they always do uh but as soon as they couldn't keep up the the the gig any longer

01:28:46.920 because of the debate and it became apparent to the american people that joe biden was a vegetable

01:28:51.440 um then all of a sudden like like immediately like clockwork you saw all the legacy media

01:28:57.380 change their tune and like oh and and pretend you know they pretend to be surprised like oh

01:29:02.340 we're just as surprised as you are we had no clue we thought he was and then you know they needed a

01:29:07.020 scapegoat like so who's been lying to us you know and saying that he was just fine and blah blah

01:29:11.380 but then it was shortly after that time then all of a sudden biden's sick nobody sees him nobody

01:29:18.120 hears from him and then we get a random tweet and and and just a letter right yeah yeah a letter

01:29:24.800 you know screenshot it and tweet it but like a a random unelected i mean comely harris who elect

01:29:31.080 nobody voted for her right literally no one in the primary voted for her literally yeah at that

01:29:36.720 point nobody voted they the only way she ever got a vote in her life was uh when when it came down

01:29:43.100 white male well when it came down to libs you know voting against donald trump there were no

01:29:47.980 votes for comma there were votes all the way up to the election right yeah exactly but at that

01:29:52.500 point she had not had received a single vote in her life and all of a sudden she's she's now the 0.52

01:29:58.660 um the the presidential candidate you know for the front runner for you know for the dnc and because

01:30:04.980 they had power they were able to pull off what they pulled off in 2020 with cultural power with

01:30:10.240 media power with attorneys district attorneys that had the races funded through sources open

01:30:15.480 source foundations they weren't looking into him prosecuting prosecuting voter fraud so a powerful

01:30:20.920 system got him in in the first place and then they held the reins of power and we saw what they did

01:30:25.500 it's all downstream of power and money like those just that's how the world runs yeah yeah yeah so

01:30:33.160 as much as it as much as it depends on you i said this you know in a recent episode but just as like

01:30:40.360 what Paul writes to slaves in scripture, right? Be content. But if you can avail yourself to do so,

01:30:47.420 right? If you can gain your freedom, avail yourself to do so. And so, yeah, like we need

01:30:52.720 to be content with whatever station of life the Lord has assigned to us, but that doesn't forego

01:30:57.880 godly, righteous ambition. Ambition is not sin. You can have sinful ambition and you can have

01:31:05.820 righteous ambition. And so if you can gain power, money, influence, then avail yourself to do so

01:31:13.480 in order to wield it righteously for the good, you know, for the glory of God and the good of

01:31:17.800 his people. That's a pretty simple concept. And I would say that's why, before we go to the

01:31:23.100 questions, that's, you don't just go from being a well-intentioned Christian man to having a degree

01:31:33.320 of power. Like there's a reason why the process of being faithful to little things and then being

01:31:39.000 given more, which is a biblical principle, applies here. Like if you don't run for a city

01:31:45.620 representative or a state representative or city council is the thing I was saying, like no one

01:31:50.860 just knows that you're sitting in your living room preparing to be the perfect congressional

01:31:56.780 candidate. You've got to get out there. And not only that, sitting in your living room is not

01:32:01.060 preparing you to be the perfect uh congressional candidate like you've got to learn some things

01:32:06.340 about how politics and governance works and so uh if that if you're a young man you're aspiring to

01:32:11.700 to be involved in the political world you you've got to start small right you've got to start as a

01:32:16.700 a local elected official of a city or you can fly that's right you do a lot of them need money too

01:32:22.480 like they'll need to have some type of job that can sustain them yep knocking on doors for three

01:32:26.140 months yep it's not just like oh i'm 18 i'll go into a career in politics to make seventy thousand

01:32:30.020 dollars yeah my brother in christ you'll make nothing right yeah okay let's go ahead and uh

01:32:36.180 address some of our questions we'll start with um super chat from uh jannie jackson

01:32:43.440 50 super chat very kind and generous thank you jannie she says at what point or at all do you

01:32:51.200 allow someone arrested for child p we know what that means for the algorithm we'll just leave it

01:32:57.640 their child P. At what point, if they're arrested for child P, do you allow them back in to the

01:33:04.320 congregation at church if they have repented? Our elders have been quiet about it. My husband

01:33:12.560 gave me permission to ask this. I appreciate that. We appreciate and support your ministry.

01:33:18.580 Thank you. Thank you. Great question. I've got thoughts. Does anybody want to lead off

01:33:23.600 non-controversial question?

01:33:26.140 The first thing I want to say is

01:33:27.720 you're under the authority

01:33:29.820 of your local pastors

01:33:31.740 and elders. And if it's a solid

01:33:33.400 biblical church, then

01:33:35.020 definitely take what we say with a grain of salt

01:33:37.400 and don't use it to stir up dissension

01:33:39.780 with them.

01:33:42.280 So what we say...

01:33:43.820 They'll know the specifics.

01:33:44.500 They'll know the specifics.

01:33:46.480 They're privy to information that we may not have.

01:33:48.640 This is not to be a cudgel to

01:33:50.520 well, right response.

01:33:52.340 Well, Joel Webinson, then we're just going to get calls from them.

01:33:56.540 Well, and for the record, let's just be honest.

01:33:58.780 If you go to your pastors and you say, well, Joel Webinson, then you've just lost your case.

01:34:06.140 I am not necessarily viewed fondly by me.

01:34:10.120 Okay, go ahead.

01:34:12.200 Were you going to say something?

01:34:13.700 Wes and I have similar comments, but you say it first.

01:34:17.720 And then if there's anything, Wes, that you didn't say that I was thinking,

01:34:20.920 But I know what you're going to say, and I think it's similar to what I was going to say.

01:34:23.960 I would just lament being in the situation.

01:34:26.420 There's a psalm very early on.

01:34:27.640 I think it's Psalm 11.

01:34:28.480 It says, if the foundations are destroyed, what can the righteous do?

01:34:31.860 It says, like, do I flee to the hills and to the mountains?

01:34:34.720 And even in the psalm, it says, but no, the wicked are just going to draw their bow.

01:34:37.460 And there's a real sense where people are put in very difficult situations like this

01:34:41.520 because we lost power, because we had a Christian culture and a Christian expectation, and

01:34:46.680 we lost it.

01:34:47.160 And so now we're in a place where someone seems to have done something terrible.

01:34:50.220 and the role of the magistrate in the case like this according to biblical precedent probably

01:34:55.280 should have done more but they haven't now this individual you know see by their admission seems

01:35:00.580 to be repentant but you're stuck with a very very difficult situation and so i can just lament and

01:35:06.260 say that there isn't an easy yes no answer because it's the failure of one sphere to execute justice

01:35:13.520 the failure of one sphere to suppress like how does material like this proliferate on the internet

01:35:18.240 Well, it proliferated because we made the normal stuff, the normal stuff, legal.

01:35:21.960 So you made the normal stuff legal and then become trade of the worst stuff.

01:35:24.800 And then people get into it and sin in that way.

01:35:27.120 And then the magistrate's like, well, so many people have done this.

01:35:29.180 I can't possibly utilize the sword and minister capital punishment.

01:35:32.680 And so this is one of the faults, one of the difficult, painful things.

01:35:38.100 You've got someone who's repentant and wants to follow Jesus, but also families with children.

01:35:42.000 How do you bring them together in a local church?

01:35:43.940 It's really hard.

01:35:44.600 Yeah. So what do you do when you have scenarios that exist that should never actually even exist? That's what you're getting at. Rushdini, who just for the record, we've said it many times, but I'll say it again.

01:36:02.920 I really like Rushdini and he has in many ways stood the test of time.

01:36:09.540 He was a ferocious reader.

01:36:11.260 I think he owned close to 45,000 different books

01:36:14.960 and most of the people who knew him said he read them all or close to it

01:36:19.180 and they would find in the backs and pages of the books,

01:36:22.040 handwritten notes and all these things underlined.

01:36:24.720 He was a brilliant man and he was one of the OG theonomists.

01:36:30.760 but what i appreciate about russian is he was it's like he was from a different generation

01:36:35.880 probably just a different kind of man personally individually but also generationally to where he

01:36:41.100 he just didn't um his his version of theonomy uh was not it was it wasn't just the theonomic um

01:36:51.320 the theonomic version you know version of you know post post-liberalism it wasn't just yeah

01:36:58.600 exactly it wasn't just theonomic liberalism but he was actually like he actually had his

01:37:03.540 his convictions he was a theonomist and and not just uh you know a 20th century liberalism guy

01:37:10.160 you know but a theonomic flavor and so anyways all that being said he talked about abortion he

01:37:15.520 said like yeah well in a theonomic society in a just biblical society uh it's eye for an eye

01:37:21.640 tooth for a tooth life for a life and abortion is murder and so the murderer would be um penalized

01:37:27.500 and receive capital punishment. And so, in that case, you would not have congregants in your

01:37:35.540 church who were murderers, because the state would have dealt with them. This is also indicative of

01:37:40.960 Calvin. Calvin from Geneva, he talked about when it comes to divorce and remarriage. And

01:37:47.020 there are some who take the position that if you've been divorced, then the permanence view

01:37:55.640 of divorce, that you can never remarry. But many of the Presbyterians actually, that was more

01:38:01.800 actually of a more modern Baptist idea, the permanent view of you can never remarry. Most

01:38:07.980 of the older Presbyterians, Calvin included, they believed that if the divorce was by biblical

01:38:13.860 merit, being either abandonment or adultery were the two clauses that were given. And you not being

01:38:18.960 the one who did that. And you not being, yes, so you being innocent in the matter. Obviously,

01:38:23.300 everyone's a sinner but innocent in the matter um so your spouse you know is the one who committed 0.81

01:38:28.420 adultery um and and if you got a divorce out of that then you would actually be free to remarry

01:38:34.680 and one of the the you know the justifications and you know argumentation that calvin uses is

01:38:40.900 he says well according to god's law um the adulterer would be put to death and in the

01:38:47.040 sight of God, they are as good as dead. And therefore, you are free from that covenant in

01:38:54.300 the divine sense, according to God. And so, likewise, with Rushduni, going back to abortion 0.89

01:38:59.180 now, what he said was like, okay, but if they're repentant, they've had an abortion, but they're

01:39:04.260 repentant, then they can't just, you can't, because at this point, it's like one in every four women,

01:39:11.300 I mean, like, and even at Rushduni's time, it wasn't quite as high as it is today, but it was

01:39:15.140 pretty high i mean honestly it might have been just as high because it's been about a million

01:39:19.080 children every year for 50 years yeah um and so you know so russia in different demographics so

01:39:25.840 like if you're in you know upstate washington versus inner city baltimore there's a different

01:39:29.660 ratio there but that's true um so russia he said well you can't just um say that this entire swath

01:39:35.980 of people are, are, um, you know, that, that, that they, um, are, uh, unredeemable. And so he

01:39:46.380 said like, they, they have to be welcomed back to the church. Um, they can be forgiven if they're

01:39:52.120 repentant. Uh, but he was trying to find some way, and I'm not even saying that he's exactly right

01:39:57.540 with this, but I appreciate the instinct. I appreciate what he was, but he was trying to

01:40:02.280 say, yeah, but sin really does matter and there really are consequences. And so what he advocated

01:40:06.980 for was like, at least he talked about another congregation that did this and he talked about

01:40:12.760 it favorably, that they kept them, they welcomed them back into the membership with the church,

01:40:21.280 but they withheld the supper from them for like years. I think it might've been like 10 or 20

01:40:27.820 years. In some cases, it may have been for life. To say that you are forgiven when you are a church

01:40:36.520 member, but there is a consequence for such a heinous sin as murder. And so, all that being

01:40:44.140 said, back to this question, what Wes is saying, I'm agreeing with Wes as he's saying, there are

01:40:48.440 so many ethical questions that we have to deal with today because all the practical implications

01:40:55.520 of repentance become far more complex the longer a person or a people go without repenting.

01:41:04.600 The more muck and mire, the more sin that's accrued, then the more difficult it becomes

01:41:13.540 to untangle all that mess. And so back to the original question, what do you do with an

01:41:19.160 individual who was arrested and found guilty? There's evidence, it's proven.

01:41:23.480 That's a big thing, assuming that there was...

01:41:25.360 Exactly. So let's assume that the arrest was legitimate, that the person is guilty, that they've even pled guilty and they've admitted it by their own volition, that they were arrested for child pee.

01:41:38.200 But I assume they're now out of jail and they're back in the congregation.

01:41:46.600 They've repented and should they be welcomed back into the congregation?

01:41:51.840 and uh yeah that's that that's just one of those questions that you shouldn't ever have to answer

01:41:57.860 um you know in a just society um but we do and and we have to answer this question because

01:42:05.780 of our sin um yeah i'm going to say it dennis prager right dennis prager recently did an

01:42:14.300 interview where he said well you know if it's ai so it's not actually you know a child but it's

01:42:23.340 but it is child p it's the image of one it is child yeah exactly but like someone intentionally

01:42:29.300 is using ai to manufacture because they want it to be a child that level of perversion so it is

01:42:35.780 child p but it's ai generated um and he was asked point blank in an interview and and he wasn't like 0.76

01:42:42.540 you know baited into it or something like that the guy literally the person interviewing said

01:42:47.080 i think that that's morally reprehensible yeah yeah i'm disgusted with your answer a catholic 0.54

01:42:52.780 a christian yep interviewing a jew and dennis prager and dennis prager was clear about why he

01:42:58.500 has this view he said like it's it is my religion he said you know and he said this in other contexts

01:43:03.800 as well so i'm not making this up he said like one of the kirk pressed him on it yeah yeah he

01:43:07.560 said, one of the problems, this is Dennis Prager, this is his view. He has said this, one of the

01:43:12.840 problems with Christianity, I'm paraphrasing him, but this is just about it, is that, you know,

01:43:18.540 the Torah, the Old Testament, never condemns sinful thoughts. It never even, basically what

01:43:27.660 he's saying is that the Old Testament doesn't even have the category, theological category,

01:43:32.580 where a thought could be sent.

01:43:35.100 So you can think with impunity.

01:43:37.720 Well, covetousness is a thought.

01:43:39.660 That was the first one I went to.

01:43:41.240 I know, but this is what he said.

01:43:43.900 And he said, it's you Christians with your New Testament. 0.59

01:43:47.980 It's specifically Jesus and the Sermon on the Mount. 0.92

01:43:51.040 But I tell you, right, if anyone looks,

01:43:53.640 not just committing adultery indeed,

01:43:55.600 but if somebody looks at another woman with lust in his heart,

01:43:58.200 then he's like, that is a Christian perspective.

01:44:01.100 so this whole idea that you guys are bringing up

01:44:03.560 with these questions about pornography

01:44:05.360 or about this or about that

01:44:06.700 as long as it's not acted upon

01:44:09.140 in Jewish framework

01:44:11.500 you're fine 0.99

01:44:12.720 it's only in Christian framework

01:44:15.040 that these ethics matter

01:44:16.680 I think that's

01:44:19.200 you know

01:44:19.540 I don't even think that's an accurate

01:44:21.860 even if you only

01:44:23.460 the Ten Commandments have a category for

01:44:27.060 thought that's sin 0.99

01:44:29.300 Yeah, Dennis Prager said, does he speak for every Jew?

01:44:32.400 No, nobody gets to speak for everyone.

01:44:34.560 I don't speak for every Christian.

01:44:36.340 But I'm just saying, but it's not a random guy on the internet.

01:44:39.280 It's Dennis Prager, the head of PragerU.

01:44:42.340 Big funder for Turning Point as well, I believe.

01:44:44.240 Yes, and he's saying this comes from my Jewish convictions, Judaism.

01:44:50.340 He says that explicitly.

01:44:51.900 So here's my point.

01:44:52.980 My point is, we live in a world that we have been apostatizing in the West and here in these United States for a very long time.

01:45:05.540 And like Wes said in the Psalms, if the foundations are lost, what can the righteous do?

01:45:10.440 And we have lost the foundations. We have.

01:45:13.240 And because we've lost the foundations, we now have to get questions like this in our live stream.

01:45:18.540 What do we do with this person who did this thing?

01:45:21.620 and like here's the reality number one it's it's a thing that should be impossible to do right you

01:45:27.140 shouldn't be able to find child pee right it should be illegal to produce it and it is and it but it

01:45:34.100 should be so heavily penalized and like what west was saying and everything even remotely leading up

01:45:39.040 to it adult pee right that that it wouldn't be found like remember when saul wants a medium and

01:45:46.640 he's going to rebel against the Lord. Remember, Saul, he has to go like way, way, way outside of

01:45:53.100 his kingdom because he had banished all the mediums. So even when he wanted to sin against 0.99

01:45:57.780 God, and here's the point, the average layman in Israel wouldn't have been able to do it.

01:46:03.700 It required a king with a mass amount of resources to even be capable of sinning in that category.

01:46:10.660 Why? Because righteousness had been so thoroughly enacted in the land of Israel that there was no 0.55

01:46:18.700 access to medians. And oh, that it might be true in our nation one day that there wouldn't even be 1.00

01:46:28.000 the ability to gain access to these kinds of things in this question. So, that's one level.

01:46:32.580 Number two, the fact that there are multiple sins where the Bible does actually talk about

01:46:38.320 the death penalty where we don't abide. And so, that person, this goes back to Rush journey and

01:46:44.260 those individuals who had committed abortion. He's saying, like, yeah, this is something the

01:46:49.360 church shouldn't necessarily have to figure out, you know, if it was a just society, because it's

01:46:54.580 eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth, life for a life, but we do. And so, he's doing his best. He's

01:46:58.960 like, I don't have a verse for this, you know, but I'm doing my best to say, okay, well, I know grace

01:47:02.920 even for the most wretched if there's repentance and if grace and membership in the church, but

01:47:08.120 okay, but there's got to be some penalties, so we're going to prohibit the Lord's Supper for a

01:47:12.660 time, and so all that being said, that's what you're having to sift through, and I guess

01:47:17.940 I would say in line with Rush Dooney, the reason I pointed him out, and the reason Calvin, all this

01:47:22.960 kind of stuff, is to try to, so you don't just think it's coming from me, because if it's just

01:47:26.860 me, then who cares, but I think I would go with kind of this, that Rush Dooney hybrid of, okay,

01:47:34.040 welcome back into membership, as atrocious as it is, but there would be some kind of consequence,

01:47:41.840 whatever that is, if it is being prohibited from the Lord's Supper for a prolonged period of time

01:47:47.100 or whatever it might be, and in the practical sense for protection and prudence, that it would

01:47:56.440 it would absolutely i would say for in indefinitely for life uh it would require that

01:48:02.780 the only way that church attendance would be permissible is with um before you even step on

01:48:09.380 the grounds that there is um there is probably one or two men um who who are perfectly aware of

01:48:18.760 the situation who meet you off the property and walk you in you get to stay for the service

01:48:26.100 because you're a christian and and we want you to be able to go to church but then immediately

01:48:31.340 afterwards they walk you off and um so you're not borrowing them from the lord's day but you're

01:48:36.980 saying you can't come you could say you can't come to community group this is held in people's

01:48:40.680 homes sorry you are as a christian you have the right to come to the lord's day for many that

01:48:45.200 but you can't come to community community group you can't come to tuesday night psalm sim

01:48:48.560 you can't do that your sin has forfeited access you might go to guys nights like men's nights

01:48:53.020 or something like that potentially they could say yes or no to that yeah but that would be up to the

01:48:56.920 leadership of the church and up to those men if they feel comfortable with yeah yeah and so that's

01:49:02.500 a it's a heartbreaking question but that's the best and you can respectfully ask your elders hey

01:49:07.100 i have children we love you we love we we want to see there's nothing more glorious than the

01:49:12.420 sinner forgiven but please as members of the church we would respectfully ask that any time

01:49:17.660 this man is here on the property could you provide from the security team a chaperone so we know that

01:49:23.760 he's never alone we know that he's never talking with individuals he shouldn't be talking with

01:49:27.960 we know he's never lingering well no anyone having eyes on him you know the other thing that does is

01:49:32.560 that that will demonstrate repentance because if that man is really repentant and understands his

01:49:40.280 sin and the grace that's being afforded to him he was he will not kick against that he won't buck

01:49:46.620 against that requirement if he know that's unreasonable like there's a pretty good chance

01:49:52.500 that he has not truly repented that's a good point right okay this is from a cool dude again

01:49:58.940 is his username super chat ten dollars thank you for your generosity cool dude we appreciate it

01:50:04.240 he said just a right response ministries appreciator i know that you guys catch a lot

01:50:09.800 of heat for covering controversial but important topics thanks that guy is a cool dude he is a

01:50:15.720 dude thank you we appreciate that it's very kind and yes you are right we do get a lot of heat

01:50:21.560 a lot of heat mostly mostly michael you know but um gosh michael now all of us do michael

01:50:27.640 michael had his moment on right wing watch yeah i remember um okay let's go back more questions

01:50:33.720 kevin ice kevin ice super chat 499 said i saw a photo of a man holding a sign that said

01:50:39.960 quote reform baptist church join us we keep our women in line end quote is this too harsh or

01:50:44.840 counterproductive thanks for the super chat kevin doesn't go far enough now i'm getting

01:50:52.040 it's the same thing like it's tough like in a time yeah like ours emphasizing when every other

01:50:57.440 baptist church in your area you know is perhaps has women pastors like i can get the emphasis

01:51:03.380 again like you're in a small town every other church is like that you're trying to get something

01:51:07.040 off the ground and you're like every one of these other churches they're ruled this out of the other

01:51:11.400 i don't see a point that would be relevant like in our church in our town i think it would actually

01:51:17.120 be counterproductive you'd be putting the emphasis on just something that is it's not minor when it

01:51:22.500 goes wrong but in the whole life of a church like that's a very small part like simply you're 0.81

01:51:27.020 obeying first corinthians which says it is shameful for a woman to speak during the service so you 0.80

01:51:30.840 first corinthians 14 you simply obey you're obeying that commandment and that's it's just

01:51:34.660 not a big deal so probably counterproductive but without knowing the church without knowing the

01:51:39.660 town without knowing the person i don't know i feel like it would be tough to say like oh yeah

01:51:43.840 there's no scenario where that possibly could be yeah i wouldn't condemn it but yeah we we at this

01:51:49.600 point especially you know it's hard to say like well this is what we would do like well we're

01:51:52.960 unique in the sense that we joel basically does that every six weeks exactly because

01:51:58.520 sermon or something that's what i was gonna say is because of right response ministry different

01:52:02.320 though it is different yeah well because yeah it's not just um we're not advertising our church

01:52:07.560 and saying, and this is, we're leading with this.

01:52:11.440 No, we're doing long form content

01:52:13.420 where we talk about all kinds of controversial subjects.

01:52:16.060 And that does occasionally include biblical patriarchy

01:52:19.340 and God's natural order and design for both men and women.

01:52:24.520 And when those things come up,

01:52:26.040 we don't make a sign and stand in front of our church

01:52:28.560 and do it, but our detractors and opponents

01:52:31.780 who are seeking to discredit us,

01:52:34.260 they go in, they hate watch, they clip it out.

01:52:37.560 and then they put that in isolation and it gets picked up by other leftist and sadly

01:52:42.520 complementarian christians of course i don't know which is worse honestly on this on this

01:52:47.460 particular issue i i've i've probably received just as much outrage from complementarian christians

01:52:52.860 as i have from you know liberal democrats but they're the ones who clip it out they make it

01:52:58.480 go viral share it with all their friends so i mean for all intents and purposes our church

01:53:03.800 covenant bible church does have a a literal not literal but it does have effectively a sign in

01:53:10.020 front of it that says we keep our women in line right but uh but i think there's a difference in

01:53:14.740 in your enemies doing that to you versus you doing it to yourself right that's what i would say

01:53:20.500 taking your identity uh i'll take that one striker uh thanks to the personal question uh did i have

01:53:27.400 a nice time camping we did have a nice time camping um it was at garner state park which is

01:53:32.240 really nice. There's a nice river flowing through there and lots of area to hike around. Have I

01:53:37.360 started a Trail Life USA troop? No, I have not. We don't have land or property like we just rent

01:53:45.200 it for Sunday mornings right now. I do like Trail Life. There are several Trail Life groups in our

01:53:49.380 area and several of the men in our church have their men and have their boys in Trail Life. So

01:53:54.940 I recommend that pretty highly. But no ability to start one at our church until we have our own

01:54:01.260 space if if we wanted to do it at that point we could talk about it there's some guys in our church

01:54:05.320 who have their sons in trail life they speak highly of it yep i can tackle this one belushi

01:54:09.640 prevailion all right super chat two dollars thanks belushi he asked he or she asked can you do a show

01:54:17.080 on running for local offices it'd be tough to do two hours of one i honestly kind of i want to take

01:54:22.480 like 10 minutes on x and actually just briefly break it down because if you're thinking about

01:54:26.400 running for office this is about the time that you need to actually put a campaign together

01:54:30.320 and begin thinking because primaries, at least for some offices, will be November 2026,

01:54:36.760 which means the primary for them will be in March.

01:54:39.420 So the general election will be in November.

01:54:41.160 That's where we vote on congressmen if your congressman is up for re-election, etc.

01:54:45.640 But March 2026, which is a year away today, it takes about a year to put a campaign together,

01:54:50.720 that's when you'd actually run in the primary to basically be able to compete in the November election.

01:54:55.160 So I don't know that we'll be able to do a full two-hour show,

01:54:57.780 but uh if you follow me on x i am gonna this is my commitment in the next month have some time

01:55:02.460 after the conference do a short video on anyone interested in running for local office the things

01:55:06.900 to think about and uh what to put together you know we could we could maybe depending on how

01:55:11.620 your ideas go with that west we could maybe do an episode on strategic ways to impact like your your

01:55:17.540 your town a borough building things like that political office being one of them that's good

01:55:23.140 that's a good thought good recommendation thank you the mcglone code he gave us a super chat two

01:55:29.600 dollars he said keep up the good fight men christ is king amen amen christ is king thank you the

01:55:35.820 mcglone code we appreciate it okay any other questions we want to hit um okay james may he

01:55:43.840 says how does heritage american math work i like the way he phrased that uh when a real american

01:55:50.920 in this case jd vance for instance marries a non-heritage american uh where do his children

01:55:59.380 fall on the hierarchy he said it also occurs to me that baron trump is also half non-american

01:56:07.480 the chosen the chosen one yeah well i mean nassim uh nassim al-gib you know he wasn't

01:56:15.700 native fremen that's right that's true but he led them to paradise the outside there's a difference

01:56:21.200 when we're talking about you know citizens and elected offices versus when we're talking about

01:56:26.660 the prophesied one the prophesied one who ultimately he's not elected he's going to be

01:56:31.700 the unelected emperor 49 of republicans favored lowering the age requirement some straw poll

01:56:37.420 to let baron trump run for president wow legitimately that's legit yeah um yeah but

01:56:43.140 he doesn't need to be president he needs to be monarch um some some kind of king uh most of that's

01:56:49.600 facetious maybe not not all of it not all of it but just for the internet so for the question how

01:56:55.400 does heritage american math work okay so jd is as far as i know he's a heritage american and i

01:57:01.660 don't just say that because he's white but i mean he he grew up in appalachia he's irish you know

01:57:05.400 from hillbilly elegy you know he like you know i i know that at least three generations to his

01:57:11.500 grandmother so so yes um and in the case of his wife she's uh she's indian i don't know if she's

01:57:18.140 a hindu anymore is she practicing religiously attending mass with him good praise god yeah

01:57:22.860 that's good praise god so i know for from what i've read uh at least for a while she was still

01:57:28.980 practicing hinduism and uh jd is a catholic uh but it sounds like she's going to mass with him

01:57:35.400 even in the pictures and granted you don't know somebody's heart so i'm not i'm not going to try

01:57:39.240 to presume to know but you look at like pictures of jd and his wife is standing next to him like

01:57:45.380 like doe-eyed you know like her eyelashes you know bouncing up and down just smitten by her husband

01:57:53.680 like like really embodying um a a domestic feminine um beauty and uh respect and adoration

01:58:04.300 for her husband she seems like a like a wonderful wife a wonderful mother and a very sweet woman

01:58:09.160 That does not make her a heritage American.

01:58:11.620 Rules is rules.

01:58:12.740 We don't make the rules.

01:58:13.880 But what we are trying to say is that we talk about preference, and preference isn't inherently sinful.

01:58:22.740 I will absolutely say that is one particular Indian that I'm far more glad is here than others.

01:58:30.380 And I make no apology about that.

01:58:32.380 And from what we can tell, she's attending Mass.

01:58:36.340 perhaps you know i don't know this definitively but i would assume if she's attending mass that 0.83

01:58:41.620 that at least there's the potential that she's forsaking hinduism yeah um i know that jd has

01:58:47.920 explicitly said in terms of the children that they're being raised catholic and not hindu

01:58:52.420 so that's significant so to answer the question how does heritage american math work uh when real

01:58:58.440 american you know jd vance marries a non-heritage american in the case of his wife where do the

01:59:03.880 children fall on the hierarchy. Well, with what I said earlier, biblically speaking, third

01:59:10.440 generation. And so in this case, I would say that JD's grandchildren, that his children's children

01:59:21.640 would be fully heritage American. That's not to say that his children now are not American at all.

01:59:30.740 And it's certainly not to say that his wife or children are not American citizens.

01:59:35.600 Here's the thing, guys.

01:59:37.240 I tweeted about this, and immediately, when people read me on the—and again, sadly, it's not just leftists. 0.86

01:59:43.860 It's primarily Christians. 1.00

01:59:45.540 They're the worst. 1.00

01:59:47.780 Truly the worst. 0.95

01:59:48.960 But, man, that's not fair. 1.00

01:59:50.700 Most Christians aren't. 1.00

01:59:51.640 Reformed Christians, they're the worst. 1.00

01:59:53.960 But when they read me, they immediately think, what is the least charitable possible reading of this that I could possibly interpret? 1.00

02:00:03.960 And then they just assume that that's what I meant.

02:00:06.200 And so I tweeted about this, and people lost their minds, and naturally so.

02:00:12.660 But what I was advocating for is I was not saying that this person is not an American.

02:00:20.120 um and therefore that means that they're not an american citizen or that that means they uh they

02:00:28.240 immediately have to you know be deported somewhere or they like no that what i'm what i'm advocating

02:00:34.580 for is that we need another category right now the only categories we have like two categories

02:00:41.840 for america we have americans legal citizens and non-legal citizens right we have we have

02:00:47.940 americans and uh and and most people would define that is someone who has legal citizenship in

02:00:55.280 america that's right american and then and they would just say that that's american and then we

02:01:00.100 have non-americans and that would be everybody else so we have two categories in the way that

02:01:06.280 the american mind the modern american mind thinks these days two categories american how does it

02:01:13.300 to find anyone in america with legal citizenship um they don't even have to be in america they

02:01:20.320 could be somewhere but legal anyone with legal citizenship in america american that's that's it

02:01:25.760 that's the definition and then non-american everyone else and what i'm saying is that

02:01:32.000 ever no other nation thinks that that way like um again to use japan or france like

02:01:38.400 most of them don't even like like but like like for for france they could say um a frenchman

02:01:48.300 is one thing and then there can be a um a a french citizen who's not a frenchman

02:01:56.820 you know what i mean and the same way um an english citizen who's not a brit he's not an

02:02:02.880 English man. And that's all I was trying to say is that we need another category to where

02:02:09.220 we can say, okay, this person is an American citizen and they should be treated respectfully

02:02:13.820 so long as they behave themselves as a law-abiding guest and they're not here simply to exploit

02:02:21.160 America or commit crime in America. So, they are an American citizen. They should be

02:02:27.260 treated respectfully but attaining citizenship in america cannot immediately make you an american

02:02:34.720 and if it does then then basically what we're saying is that right now you've said this west

02:02:40.860 but like right now in india i guess there are 1.3 billion potential americans right right and in

02:02:47.940 china there's a another potential americans that the whole so basically what you're saying is that

02:02:53.440 the whole world is divided into two categories,

02:02:55.720 Americans and potential Americans.

02:02:57.780 Right.

02:02:58.320 And what we want to say is,

02:02:59.920 no, that is insane.

02:03:03.360 It has to mean something.

02:03:05.760 It has to mean something to be an American,

02:03:08.320 to be Japanese, to be a Frenchman,

02:03:11.360 and I do understand, I'll add this disclaimer,

02:03:14.340 I understand that the origin and the settling of our nation

02:03:19.100 and the building and the civilizing of our nation

02:03:21.880 is unique to other nations. One difference would be it is far more recent. Many of these other

02:03:30.040 nations, both European and Eastern alike, are nations that were settled a thousand plus years

02:03:36.620 ago. So one of the differences is that our nation still just isn't that old. And I acknowledge that.

02:03:42.640 And I'll also acknowledge that when you're settling, and there is a difference between 0.89

02:03:47.400 immigrating and settling settlers and immigrants we no longer have settlers the nation it's it's

02:03:53.380 been settled folks it's settled how do you know it's settled because you can comfortably move 0.95

02:03:59.740 about 3 000 miles from one coast to the other and you don't risk um snake bite you don't risk uh

02:04:08.400 being all the stuff on oregon trail yeah you don't need a passport to do so that's right and

02:04:12.580 Yeah. And you can drive on a nice paved road. It's settled. It's settled. And so we have not

02:04:19.940 had settlers for quite some time. All we have these days are immigrants. But in the settling 1.00

02:04:25.940 of America, I acknowledge number one, it's more recently settled than other countries. And number

02:04:31.280 two, it was settled by somewhat, not near as much as people would like to make it sound,

02:04:38.760 but somewhat of an eclectic group of peoples right it wasn't just settled by one people

02:04:47.060 however it did for a very long time have a predominant hegemony a primary people and that was

02:04:53.900 an anglo-protestant people and and so that is what america is that's it's now we like we have

02:05:00.940 a choice we can reject that and say well that's not what we're going to be anymore um i think

02:05:05.460 that that would be a terrible choice terrible choice and that's a choice that we've been making

02:05:09.540 for quite a while now and i'm hoping that we can unmake that choice but as it stands if you if you

02:05:15.760 claim to love america if you claim to love america its heritage its culture its history

02:05:22.320 then america is a an anglo-protestant nation and to be an american is to be fully assimilated in

02:05:31.620 to that monoculture, monoculture, which is Anglo-Protestant. And just for the record,

02:05:39.580 because some people say, okay, so, you know, like, what about, what about black people?

02:05:44.540 You know, they're not Anglo, they're not, you know, they're not British. You know,

02:05:49.140 they don't have that bloodline. I'm saying a monoculture. I do believe that there is a

02:05:56.660 difference between a heritage american black person versus a nigerian who came over here five

02:06:04.420 years ago there is a difference to someone who can trace back their ancestry four five six seven

02:06:11.100 eight nine ten generations 200 300 400 years even if they're not white that that still means

02:06:19.520 something and um so i but i i think that you know clarence thomas you know stephen wolf has said this

02:06:25.440 that culturally speaking, not ethnically, but culturally, that he would still be an Anglo-Protestant.

02:06:32.440 He is of that culture. He's in that milieu, very much so. His mind, his views, his principles,

02:06:40.960 his virtues, the way that he thinks, and that that was done, that was accomplished,

02:06:46.840 not in just one lifetime or a few short years or a couple of months. It was shaped over generations.

02:06:52.760 He's the product of that, and he has that ancestry.

02:06:56.480 So when I say heritage American, I am not saying exclusively white. 0.78

02:07:02.380 I am saying, though, if we're talking heritage American, it was predominantly white. 0.98

02:07:08.620 It was predominantly white, and I make no apology for that. 0.99

02:07:12.180 That is our history. 1.00

02:07:13.400 It just either is or it's not, and it was.

02:07:17.080 And so, yeah, I would like to see America be America, true to its founding,

02:07:22.200 true to its heritage, true to its history, and most importantly, true to its worship of the 0.63

02:07:27.340 triune God and its virtues and values that stem from the Protestant, Anglo-Protestant religion.

02:07:34.320 I would like to see that. And what would it look like in terms of skin color? It would be 0.90

02:07:39.100 predominantly white. I don't want the white, current barely, current white majority of our 1.00

02:07:45.680 country to be eradicated and replaced. I don't want that. It wouldn't be the same country. It 1.00

02:07:51.920 would be a different place and i like this place and and so yeah so that's that's what we're talking

02:07:58.140 when we say heritage america uh heritage american we're saying people who um who are

02:08:05.640 willingly doing everything they can to assimilate into a mono culture american culture which is an

02:08:11.800 anglo-protestant culture they may have a different melanin a different skin tone and that does come

02:08:18.720 it's not just arbitrary colors not arbitrary that come that means a different bloodline

02:08:23.280 different race but if they have been here their ancestors have been here for multiple multiple

02:08:30.480 generations then i would say that they are a heritage american and if we could shut down 0.97

02:08:36.320 our borders and stop taking a bunch of immigrants uh and and and try to preserve the stock of our 0.96

02:08:45.320 nation for a hundred years a long time then eventually what likely would happen through

02:08:51.980 intermarriage is it americans not only would be the same as a monoculture but eventually through

02:08:57.280 intermarriage they would also in terms of skin color and race eventually america would be

02:09:02.520 would be one people and i personally i think anything other than that um long term is not

02:09:11.200 sustainable we are right now because of globalism and all that like and because of anti-racism and

02:09:18.140 because of 20th century liberalism we are on a headlong collision path um where our nation

02:09:27.420 similar to rome is going to we've bit off more than we can chew we've spread too far uh we have

02:09:35.840 received too many peoples who aren't really assimilated to rome throw this super chat and

02:09:41.860 will be destroyed from the inside mcglone code ten dollar super chat thanks mcglone historically

02:09:47.460 citizenship was tied to your duties to your country not your rights and privileges right it

02:09:52.620 was tied to you had an allegiance you had a belonging right answer to something on jd vance's

02:10:00.440 kids too there's a difference between they stay in america they marry americans they continue to

02:10:04.200 have allegiance to it or they went to some enclave in houston texas only composed of indians

02:10:08.880 weren't back to india right those are two different futures in which they wouldn't be

02:10:12.420 americans that's right but then there is a future where they cling to america and they would be

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The NXR Podcast - March 17, 2025

THE LIVESTREAM - The Power to Win： Why Conservatives Must Stop Surrendering

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