The NXR Podcast - THE LIVESTREAM - The Rise of the New Christian Right

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00:00:26.980 The rise of the new right.

00:00:28.660 some have called it the dissident right some have called it the ascendant right some have called it

00:00:34.160 the new christian right but what's undeniable is that there seems to be a new formation of some

00:00:41.100 cultural political group on the right and it is i think correct to refer to this movement as

00:00:48.200 something new something distinct from neoconservativism as we've known it for these

00:00:54.980 past few decades it seems like over the course of my entire lifetime you've really only had

00:01:01.060 two political options that represent two sides of the same coin on the one hand you can have gays 0.99

00:01:09.380 for jews on the other hand you can have trannies for jews but what you will have whether you like 0.99

00:01:15.780 it or not is a pro-israel government with some degree of sexual perversion uh with a you know 1.00

00:01:24.020 a sprinkled in measure of baby murder with abortion. And one is somehow conservative. 0.96

00:01:30.100 And the other one that's just maybe an inch further to the left is, you know, what's considered

00:01:36.220 progressive. But both options, the left and the right for decades now, have been just simply

00:01:42.140 different gradations on a sliding scale, the same sliding scale of liberalism. What we're seeing now

00:01:50.120 is there's actually a growing movement of individuals who are saying, we actually don't

00:01:55.720 want to be liberals at all. We don't want to be liberals. And I've said several times at this

00:02:01.040 point, but I'll say it once more. If liberalism is the car, then the engine would be egalitarianism.

00:02:08.460 The idea that this forced mechanical equality across the board. And there are many who are

00:02:16.700 starting to push back and say no men and women are not the same and they're not equal in terms of

00:02:23.740 their role and even their design and what it is that they're called to do their vocation

00:02:29.080 likewise not just is there a distinction a difference between men and women but there

00:02:34.320 are distinctions between individuals right that yes we would like every child in america to be

00:02:40.740 literate. But not every child is going to go to Harvard, and not every child should. Some children

00:02:47.840 are going to be statesmen when they grow up, and others are going to be great plumbers. Praise God,

00:02:54.100 no injustice has been done. So there are distinctions, distinctions in role and distinctions

00:03:00.220 in design by God and his sovereignty between male and female and between individuals. And lastly,

00:03:06.760 a new conversation that's really just an old conversation that has been suppressed for decades

00:03:12.400 but finally is starting to make the rounds once more is that people are acknowledging that not

00:03:17.640 only are men and women different and individuals are different but so are groups of peoples right

00:03:23.820 that Haitians are different from Americans uh that that we're not just fungible widgets that can all

00:03:30.660 be interchangeable. And so these kinds of ideas and concepts are emerging on the right. There are

00:03:37.660 still plenty of your Mike Pence's. There are plenty of neocons still in that sphere. But there

00:03:44.940 seems to be an older, whether it's paleoconservativism or, like I said earlier, the

00:03:50.140 dissident right, the ascendant right, or the new Christian right, there's something in the

00:03:55.340 providence of God that is happening. So what we want to do in this episode is explore how did this

00:04:01.560 come about? Why now? Why are these conversations that, again, are old conversations? You can look

00:04:08.300 to Pat Buchanan. You can look to lots of other guys who were sounding the alarm and trying to

00:04:13.440 start these conversations before, and yet they never really picked up traction. All of a sudden,

00:04:18.120 and they are. What has changed in the lay of the land to set the stage for why these conversations

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00:05:00.180 in. Good afternoon, gentlemen. Good afternoon, GA. I always find the history of movements

00:05:13.860 interesting. When you're in them, it can seem like this is us. We're never going to slow down.

00:05:20.100 Awesome things are happening. You can kind of have this very myopic sense because you're inside of

00:05:24.100 movement. But if you look back upon history, it's really kind of incredible. Just different ideas,

00:05:29.320 different thoughts, some of which are coming around again that have come, but they've also

00:05:33.260 gone. They've risen up quickly. One example that always fascinates me, this is from around 1910 or

00:05:38.300 so, it was the men and religion forward movement. And it's fascinating. It was a movement where

00:05:43.060 a lot of church leaders, they were concerned that men were not coming to church, that their wives

00:05:47.480 were out in the workforce, that emotional appeals were being used too much in church. So it was this

00:05:52.500 kind of broad, ecumenical, Protestant movement. And at one point, I think they gathered over a

00:05:57.000 million men in downtown New York City as an expression of, men, you need to get back in the 0.58

00:06:01.960 home. Men, you need to lead. Men, you need to be, in a way, kind of the lowercase p, pastor,

00:06:07.260 caring for your children and your wife and their soul, encouraging men to do that. But what happened

00:06:11.940 to it well uh me telling the story probably nobody listening you've ever heard of it it fizzled out

00:06:17.440 now world war one about two years later or so this was 1911 1912 so you had world war one about two

00:06:23.020 years later that certainly didn't help but history is full of people that they see something wrong or

00:06:28.960 or can point to something and a lot of people say hey i agree that is wrong and they get together

00:06:34.840 but that energy is never actually channeled and so nothing is accomplished but then on the

00:06:39.940 alternative a ragtag group of uh of separatists namely the american revolution they took their

00:06:45.780 energy we're sick of the king we're sick of his tyranny we're sick of taxation without representation

00:06:50.780 and they started the greatest nation the world has ever seen a movement will rise and fall

00:06:56.060 on what real action that it can channel its energy into especially how many men how much ambition it

00:07:03.920 can take it can say we're going to accomplish this and then we're going to go for that that's

00:07:08.440 the mark of a movement and so when you talk about the right today we actually have to start with

00:07:13.180 talking about the right that didn't succeed there's a good book uh well it's not good it's

00:07:17.460 depressing it's called black pills by a cnn correspondent ellie reeves and she uh it's a

00:07:22.400 woman she's not at all conservative or anything like that but she kind of went on a journey uh

00:07:26.720 reaching out and finding a lot of men that were kind of left in the rubble of what would have

00:07:31.340 been kind of the white nationalist movements of the early 2000s and by and large what she saw

00:07:36.120 she found men that as the internet rose, they came across truths that I think we would agree

00:07:40.760 with today, that there's been an erosion of what it means to be an American. The Heart Seller Act,

00:07:45.300 as far as immigration, has been disastrous. And so you had a number of men that were 0.97

00:07:50.760 somewhat disenfranchised, and through the internet, they found access to information,

00:07:54.680 and they found other people like them. But the story that she tells, and the title of the book

00:07:59.640 is telling, it's a black pill. Because what happened to a lot of these men was they would

00:08:03.600 involved with a group of guys and they said awesome we need you to shave your head we need

00:08:07.680 you to get a swastika tattoo somewhere on your body and you need to be unemployable their marriages

00:08:12.880 fell apart they lost even the right to see their children and so over a number of decades close to

00:08:18.080 two to three decades a lot of people who in some ways saw the same things we're seeing now

00:08:22.560 all that energy was taken not to then build up institutions and to build them into men of virtue

00:08:27.600 and to build them up with families and get them connected in politics it was

00:08:31.120 i want you to not even be employable at mcdonald's and what actually happened though that came out

00:08:37.440 of it was about 2010 to 2017 this movement gains gained traction gained momentum that would have

00:08:44.480 been what we call today the alt-right and so if you remember uh hillary clinton she's making that

00:08:50.560 speech and someone shouts out from the crowd uh pepe it was kind of like a very meme forward

00:08:56.000 movement and they actually started getting some momentum donald trump is interesting kind of in

00:09:00.160 In comparison to this administration, he kind of turned a blind eye or even supported them a little.

00:09:05.640 He appreciated their support.

00:09:06.920 This was a movement.

00:09:07.960 Richard Spencer would be a big name, Milo Yiannopoulos, Paul Joseph Watson, Lauren Southern, Greg Johnson, Mike Cernovich.

00:09:15.500 These were kind of the people.

00:09:17.040 But if you know the history of it, what happened is you had this growing movement.

00:09:20.540 A lot of people were really appreciating a lot of the things they said, certainly not all of it.

00:09:25.160 But in 2017, there was a rally called the Unite the Right.

00:09:28.040 So there's all these movements and they say, we're going to get together.

00:09:30.160 and we're going to come to charlottesville north carolina we're going to have a big rally

00:09:34.320 and that rally produced some of the most terrible optics for a movement that have ever been seen

00:09:38.640 people were flying swastikas there's a classic image of that young man with the tiki torch

00:09:42.960 there's also a car that ran into a crowd it killed one person and injured 35.

00:09:47.280 and i'm not even kidding i think that engendered over half a decade of opposition you have this

00:09:52.000 high profile event where people lost their cool they went whatever it would be and uh and tons

00:09:58.880 of be it organizations, be it in the church. They said anything, even touching this, any idea

00:10:04.200 associated with them, shut it down. And so I'm about to give it to you, Antonio, as far as COVID

00:10:10.180 goes, because that was the big paradigm shift. But people have to understand there's been about

00:10:13.800 two decades of failed efforts that actually destroyed a lot of lives to get to the point

00:10:18.500 where we are now. It can seem all fun and games. And we have great Christian guys, but guys like

00:10:23.720 Richard Spencer, Greg Johnson, they hated Christianity. 0.98

00:10:27.980 Milo Yiannopoulos was a gay Jewish man married to a black man at the time he's trying to 0.98

00:10:32.860 kind of lead this movement. 0.97

00:10:34.640 We've had some terrible leaders in the past, terrible advice, terrible optics.

00:10:38.840 And so what's happening now, we can't take for granted. 1.00

00:10:41.640 It's Christian nature.

00:10:42.800 I would say for many of it, especially the movement that we're a part of, it's moral

00:10:46.520 character because you can very easily have a movement that destroys and discredits itself.

00:10:52.120 And we've seen that time and time before.

00:10:53.720 history yeah yeah and i think i think it's helpful to think about what what the alt-right was and i

00:10:59.720 think specifically where it failed and i think i think one of the big the bit ways that it failed

00:11:04.760 was it was largely contained to the internet so you think about all of these sort of disparate

00:11:09.560 online forums like 4chan and those sorts of things so you have a bunch of guys who are

00:11:14.540 disillusioned they're going to these internet forums and saying hey has anyone else thought

00:11:18.620 this is anyone else feeling this and of course you people are rallying and saying yeah absolutely

00:11:23.700 um but i think what was missing was that there was no translation into real life for for those

00:11:29.220 kinds of people now obviously you have famously the he will not divide us campaign and those

00:11:33.000 sorts of things where they trolled people in real life and made you know made headlines and things

00:11:37.200 like that but for the most part you have guys who are largely disenfranchised and with no access to

00:11:43.700 institutions um and so so that was sort of the weak point was um it was it was largely populist

00:11:51.040 and nothing more than that. And you didn't have the wide-scale disillusionment that was required

00:11:56.540 for them to actually have a voice and a seat at the table. And COVID, I think, was that catalyst

00:12:03.280 for that wide-scale disillusionment within people on the right, within the church, so on and so

00:12:08.080 forth, which was exposing these fault lines around what the government, first off, the

00:12:14.780 professional managerial class and what how how they had sort of permeated every sort of cultural

00:12:21.500 institution and and and the suppression and the censorship and those those sorts of things were

00:12:28.180 immediately exposed because people were confronted with okay i'm listening to cnn i'm listening to

00:12:33.260 msnbc and they're saying this but i'm going outside and it's not that and there was i mean

00:12:38.920 truly there's nothing like that in american history where it was just so evident that people

00:12:43.600 were lying to you. And so you even have the average conservative, the average right-leaning

00:12:47.860 individual saying, wait, this is okay. I don't really trust these people anymore. And of course,

00:12:53.460 that's what the alt-right had been saying all along was, hey, they've corrupted these

00:12:57.800 institutions. You can't really believe anyone, so on and so forth. And so now you have this

00:13:01.720 disillusionment. And two things I think happened from that. I think one of the big ones is sort of

00:13:09.360 with the internet is the maturing of conservative media. So you have podcasts and becoming the

00:13:14.540 podcast boom, basically. Everyone and their mom has a podcast now. And then you also have sort of

00:13:20.000 the emergence of what I would say is conservative elites, right? And so people are coming out and

00:13:27.780 saying, sort of starting to get a name for themselves. And those two things start to

00:13:33.240 provide the parallel institutions. And the parallel institutions have obviously become big.

00:13:37.980 you have essentially parallel economies you can think about like something like public square

00:13:41.980 it's like hey let's have our own marketplace let's favor ourselves and create our own institutions

00:13:47.560 which is just something that the alt-right had really had really no uh well one characterized

00:13:52.880 by youth and so didn't have you know access to capital so on and so forth but they just didn't

00:13:57.740 really think that way right it was a lot of theatrics it was a lot of humor a lot of trolling

00:14:02.380 so on and so forth and now you've got a conservative you know equal i would say equally

00:14:07.280 right um uh on a lot of these topics whether it be you know what is an american so on and so forth

00:14:12.780 but now they're serious and they've and they've got uh money and they've got institutions that

00:14:18.780 they're building and they're a force to be reckoned with and and and the reality is is like

00:14:23.520 even the left this is the last thing i'll say on this on what covet's done but even the left

00:14:27.860 ironically has also become disillusioned with power. And so, but that's bad for them, right?

00:14:33.580 Because they, they have the institutions, they have all of the, the political capture. And so

00:14:39.160 when your own people are starting to say, Hey, I don't really trust the things you're putting in

00:14:42.440 my food. Now I'm like a leftist, you know, purple haired woman. I'm, I'm crunchy and I don't trust

00:14:47.700 the government either. Um, that, that also sort of like simultaneously weakened the left while

00:14:53.380 the right has strengthened on disillusionment. And that's really where I think you feel this

00:14:57.980 vibe shift. It's like the left's got nothing, no air left, no gas in the tank, no air left

00:15:03.380 in their balloon, so to speak. And the right, meanwhile, is building all of the things that

00:15:09.580 they've had for the last 40 years. And so it's fundamentally not Reagan, I think, it's safe to

00:15:14.820 say. Reagan captured the institutions that the left currently has. And so in that way, Reagan

00:15:20.700 actually mirrors a little bit more of the the left-leaning political establishment than the

00:15:25.280 new right does right yeah um and yeah so it's all very fascinating i think like like west said at

00:15:30.740 the outset like understanding the history the alt-right i mean who no one will know who they

00:15:35.740 they are in 20 years like that's just the reality of it like you think about the time of the american

00:15:40.140 revolution and all of these sparse movements you had the tories and there were there were different

00:15:44.560 forms of revolution and ideas about what revolution was that were popping up and they influenced our

00:15:50.540 founders uh alexander hamilton famously responding in polemical essays to people who are saying

00:15:56.020 actually the revolution should be fundamentally non-violent so on and so forth um and those people

00:16:01.480 no one knows who they are unless you really really dig into into the history but but what what does

00:16:07.600 emerge from that context uh is what's in the history books and so it's important to know

00:16:13.400 what's going on what will last what will be the foundation for the future yeah i think a big part

00:16:19.100 of it is um when you think of the alt-right or you think of some of these prior uh attempts to

00:16:24.960 gain traction with some kind of conservative movement um i think people still just at the

00:16:31.860 time were not quite desperate enough the average american was still pretty comfortable right so it's

00:16:37.940 like you have this debate over taxes you have this debate over immigration you have this debate over

00:16:42.440 um the you know society's you know uh view of men and women or whatever it is abortion

00:16:49.040 um but at the end of the day the average american could still feed a family and own a home and have

00:16:56.400 two cars and go on two weeks vacation and um so you you didn't really have um you didn't really

00:17:03.280 have a wide swath like an entire generation or a couple of generations that um were universally

00:17:09.940 um disenfranchised and therefore frustrated and angry and desperate like motivated um to to do

00:17:19.600 something as as a unit um everyone coming out everyone taking a stand like life was still

00:17:26.460 it was still you know sustainable for the average american uh i think one of the big differences now

00:17:33.960 when you think of like because that's what i think i look back 10 years ago 20 years ago and

00:17:39.460 and i think the question that we should all be asking is how is this any different what's

00:17:44.840 different between what's different between the new christian right today versus jerry falwell

00:17:50.040 you know um and or what's different like because that one was christian too you know because because

00:17:55.320 that would be a temptation is to say well the alt-right wasn't really christian well you can

00:18:00.060 make that argument about a lot of what's happening now with the new right like some of them are

00:18:04.440 christian you know and praise god for it but some of them are not and even the christians are pretty

00:18:09.800 divided there's there's a catholic movement there's an eastern orthodox movement there's a

00:18:13.760 protestant movement um you know you've got stephen wolf on one hand who's you know who's very reformed

00:18:19.600 and then you've got people like tucker carlson who is technically protestant but but is not

00:18:25.060 reformed you know or marjorie taylor green um and then you've got uh ethno-nationalists that

00:18:30.660 root things more so in just tradition and heritage and genetics, you know, and it's less,

00:18:38.920 for them, it's not really a religious issue at all. They actually, in many cases, see Christianity

00:18:43.480 as a hindrance or, you know, at best, and in some cases, at worst, they would see Christianity as

00:18:50.420 the culprit, that all the New Testament verses, especially in the Beatitudes and the Sermon on

00:18:57.140 the mountain the teachings of jesus as actually being um the place where they would lay the blame 0.97

00:19:02.360 for this is why we have so many immigrants right because of your your christian virtues and of 0.93

00:19:07.720 course we would look at that and say that's not christianity that's that's liberalism having

00:19:12.300 hijacked christianity and eisegeted you know rather than exegeted what what what these texts

00:19:18.020 actually mean because if that really was historic christianity then how come how come we've only

00:19:22.960 seen christianity applied in these ways towards things like immigration for the last you know few

00:19:28.880 decades when it was previously not uh christianity was not understood that way or applied that way

00:19:34.520 for 2 000 years in every other place in the world so so we would lay the blame at liberalism

00:19:40.040 calling itself christian you know but my point is again going back to the main idea is that yes

00:19:45.340 there are many different facets of this new movement this ascending movement on the right

00:19:50.160 today some of it's christian some of it's not you know some of it is you know older some of it

00:19:55.680 younger but um when i again try and answer the question what is distinct right because i would

00:20:02.220 love to say as a christian pastor the big difference this time is that it's just unapologetically and

00:20:08.420 universally everyone on the right today is uh just unapologetically christian and that's the

00:20:15.200 big difference you know or or it's just um you know um unanimously uh protestant you know or

00:20:22.380 it's or it's this or sad or the other it's not that just that wouldn't be true so the way i see

00:20:28.620 it you have really two options if we're going to be honest and and have you know some intellectual

00:20:32.800 integrity one this is another flash in the pan and everything that we're doing um we'll look back

00:20:39.560 on it from 10 years you know um and and in hindsight say yeah this was another flash in the

00:20:44.640 pan. This special, really special thing that we're really excited about, yeah, it was just

00:20:50.680 the alt-right 2.0. It really wasn't any different. So that's one possibility. I don't think it's

00:20:57.680 that, but that is one possibility. The alternative is, no, this really is different, but it's not so

00:21:03.800 much different because of its convictions, because it's uniquely Christian. I wish, hear me, I wish

00:21:09.780 that was the case, and I'm hoping I'm in this space as an unapologetic Christian trying to fight for

00:21:15.820 the reins, because I want this movement to be Christian, right? So that's why I'm entering the

00:21:20.400 fray, is I think this movement is not just like all these other, you know, attempts that pittered

00:21:25.860 out. I think it is different. I think it is going to make a difference, and I want it to be uniquely

00:21:30.560 Christian. So I'm fighting for this movement to not just be a movement on the right, but to be 0.53

00:21:34.960 um a christian movement on the right but what makes it different why do i is it different and

00:21:40.300 if so why do i think that this will matter and that it won't just it won't just fizzle out i i

00:21:46.100 really think the only thing i can come down to in terms of a a major distinctive is um i don't know

00:21:53.980 about you guys you you know you know you might know history better than i do but i can't think

00:21:58.600 of a time at least recently when um you have uh an entire like basically half of the country

00:22:05.840 everyone under the age of 45 who cannot have a home and cannot have a family and cannot have

00:22:14.740 children and like i think to me that's the big difference it's it's not just you have a house

00:22:21.060 i have a house you have vacation i have vacation you um you you bought your house for um a cigarette 0.70

00:22:27.880 butt and a nickel and and uh a stick of gum you know like i mean literally like when boomers talk

00:22:33.640 about it's like well i worked really hard i bought my house for 45 000 you know and it was only 40

00:22:39.160 uh you know it was only 4 900 square feet you know on seven acres of land you know and and yeah

00:22:45.100 sure like town with no crime right and a perfect town with no crime and sure like you know it's

00:22:50.400 in terms of its appreciation it's worth you know a zillion times more than what i bought it but why

00:22:56.180 don't you do the same that because the same doesn't exist it literally doesn't exist right

00:23:01.540 literally doesn't exist and you can talk about well but in the 70s did you know i young people

00:23:06.680 complaining about the interest rates right we had 18 interest rates yeah 18 interest rates on your

00:23:12.600 house that cost a stick of gum like like i'll pay i'll pay one one thousand percent interest rates 0.62

00:23:20.300 on a house that cost two hundred dollars like boomers forget like the world was given to them

00:23:28.140 the world was given to them and um and that is not a thing it's not a thing like you're talking

00:23:35.000 about when you look at uh well but but wages have gone up yeah but not even close to the cost of

00:23:40.940 things it's it's just an undeniable fact there's so many studies that have been done on this but

00:23:45.400 when you look at percentage of income and then what you pay for housing, for boomers, it was like

00:23:50.920 20 to 30 percent of their income. The average boomer's income at the time when they were

00:23:57.180 buying their first home and the average mortgage was 20 to 30 percent of their income. Today,

00:24:04.060 for millennials and Gen Z, if you're buying a house today, for the average income and the

00:24:08.860 average mortgage it is 60 70 80 percent of their income meaning uh that's not just house poor

00:24:17.140 um it's one thing to be house poor that's that's like uh it's one thing to be house poor and we're

00:24:21.980 eating ramen noodles that's house poor and we're not eating at all we're dead we're literally

00:24:27.440 starving um and so i i think that that's one of the big distinctions is you know just like you

00:24:33.560 guys were saying with the alt-right movement it's like okay hey we're getting some traction

00:24:36.560 the memes are funny you know you know this is happening that's happening and then boom swastikas

00:24:41.780 right and uh and then you know charlottesville and that's done well it it seems like

00:24:48.060 kind of ping pong you know like like the ball just bounces back and forth um and and not so

00:24:53.940 much when when one side does something right but when the other one has a a massive miscalculation

00:25:00.180 It's more so when one side messes up that, you know, the ball ping pongs over to the other side.

00:25:07.720 But meanwhile, the whole game of ping pong, it's like the whole table has been lifted up and is being carried, you know, gradually left.

00:25:15.960 Meanwhile, the ball goes back and forth, but the whole thing ultimately is going left.

00:25:19.520 To get the whole thing to go right, not just to swing back for a second, you know, one step right, two steps left, one step right, two steps left.

00:25:27.500 That's what we've been doing for decades.

00:25:29.000 but for the whole thing to start moving right and it seems like that may be happening i i don't

00:25:33.960 think that just requires new ideas or old ideas rediscovered um i i think what that requires

00:25:40.940 is um it requires getting to the point where where the left is no longer sustainable where

00:25:48.680 the average person has to choose something different they have they're forced into an

00:25:54.020 alternative because it is not just unconscious unconsciousable or you know or i don't i find that

00:26:01.120 morally reprehensible uh reprehensible no it's it's beyond that it's i cannot feed my children

00:26:07.780 right i cannot feed no i like i literally even if i liked it i can't do it not just i morally

00:26:14.060 can't do it or or religiously can't do it i physically can't we cannot do that and i think

00:26:20.020 we are rapidly approaching that that stage being set and and so now i think people there's just

00:26:27.300 way more willingness to um to be willing to hear out ideas that before no one would have had

00:26:34.480 interest in they you know like a few individuals would be loud online but that would be it right

00:26:40.760 because the vast majority of people at the end of the day are going to be watching you know sports

00:26:45.760 baseball and but now it's like no like a lot of a lot of gen z is like there it's not just like a

00:26:53.280 few individuals it's millions of them on tiktoks uh videos watching you know transcribed hitler

00:26:59.260 speeches and it's like whoa this is terrible and you know like wow what what has happened to make

00:27:04.820 gen z so so uh you know just immoral and and no one's not what why are they doing they're not 0.81

00:27:11.560 doing that because they're just a uniquely wicked generation. They're doing that because they don't 0.98

00:27:18.060 feel like they have a future. And there was another place once upon a time that didn't feel

00:27:22.680 like it had a future, right? And so whether that's the right source to go to for solutions to our

00:27:27.640 problems, highly debatable. But the point is, to me, that's not the point. The larger point is

00:27:32.780 you have an entire half of the country under the age of 45 that is, is convinced this cannot go

00:27:42.440 on. I cannot live. And if you have half of the country that can't live, then you're going to

00:27:47.300 start seeing some, some changes. You just, you just are, they're not going to, they're not going

00:27:53.200 to just go along to get along if they can't live. Yeah. Let's hit our first commercial break and

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00:32:18.500 code RRM for 30 days free. Welcome back. I do think it's important. I like how you said that

00:32:27.160 50% of the nation, if you look at the last election, for example, it was close. Trump won

00:32:31.640 by a little bit of a margin in the popular vote, which is pretty impressive. So that means about

00:32:35.480 half of the nation said, hey, hands up, last four years, we don't like what's been going on. And

00:32:40.980 I think honestly, one of the biggest mistakes of the left, whether they stole the 2020 election or

00:32:45.220 not, has been how much they overplayed their hand. If you look at what's happening today,

00:32:49.840 this is a direct result of, for sure, COVID, locking people in their homes, stripping away

00:32:55.180 your right to do business. It's a product of censorship, social media platforms saying if

00:32:59.620 you even question the results of this election, question these numbers, question why in the

00:33:04.780 middle of the night also and you see a 2 a.m just a jump and votes counted all for democrats somehow

00:33:09.560 you're off of the internet so it was covet it was censorship it was george floyd it was we're

00:33:15.380 going to hold this this guy who died we now in the middle of covet that was in the middle glaring

00:33:21.040 hypocrisy was it was like two months into it yeah it wasn't just like this guy you know uh overdosed

00:33:26.660 on drugs but we're throwing a white guy in prison no it was it was beyond that it was uh you can't

00:33:32.060 go to church but i see my pastor on instagram who shut down my church and he's at a blm rally

00:33:41.120 like like with people literally like spitting on him in the middle of a pandemic right with

00:33:47.520 millions of people at a george floyd rally that was that wasn't just um bold that was um that was

00:33:55.400 insulting yeah and so all of that built up i remember pride for example in 2022 it was so

00:34:01.760 in your face every single corporation i mean you had the united states marine corps a military

00:34:07.200 branch coming out and celebrating pride so you had it culturally you had it on the george floyd

00:34:11.800 you had it on covid i mean there was still lockdowns and stuff into 2022 so all of that

00:34:16.860 and then there's this key moment i think 2023 we could kind of say was the tipping point

00:34:20.740 i remember an old article from uh santiago palago it was called uh the vibe shift something shifted

00:34:27.060 in the waters right there on 2023 and a big part of that was elon musk bought x you had the rise of

00:34:32.500 ai for one so chat gpt you had also elon musk buying x and people got fed up with it and that

00:34:38.680 led directly downstream so we retook the house so the publicans retook the house in 2022 so then

00:34:45.400 the rest of the biden administration they were pretty much stonewalled they were they were locked

00:34:49.320 they couldn't do much politically and we had two years where people said uh we're really really

00:34:53.760 sick of what's going on and we all it's kind of funny we're almost all together heading into the

00:34:58.260 election that anyone that was just a shade to the right of joe biden was like we don't want this to

00:35:02.700 continue and that's you got 51 of the nation that said we're done with it but even though that was

00:35:08.820 only at this point about nine months ago or so since then i think you're seeing what the next

00:35:13.920 stage of the battle is and what people need to realize is right now there are two kind of forms

00:35:18.560 of the right that are battling there's two forms of the right and they're both fighting to define

00:35:23.500 what the future is. Donald Trump is too old. He's not going to be the future. MAGA was always going

00:35:28.620 to be the platform. And when we look at the right today, the precursor, he's going to set the stage.

00:35:34.460 There's two distinct movements. And one of those is the tech right. So this would be Peter Thiel.

00:35:39.860 I just earlier I was doing some research looking up who would be who are the biggest names just

00:35:44.120 even in conservative. But I also asked it for far right. Curtis Yarvin, Yoram Hazoni were some of

00:35:49.940 them. Chris Russo, Christopher Ruffo would be the other one. A number of guys. And what's distinct

00:35:57.600 about them, they're very, they're very techie. They're very populist in one sense, but culturally

00:36:03.680 not so much conservative, not so much Christian. And specifically when it comes to America,

00:36:10.200 their vision of what it means to be an American is way less grounded. So you have one side of

00:36:16.320 the right. And I really think they're fighting for a GDP that would go up. This is Vivek Ramaswamy.

00:36:21.180 We need more immigrants to come in, to do tech jobs, to grow our economy. And then you have what

00:36:27.680 I think could truly be said is the real right. And it is a broad tent with a lot of people.

00:36:32.360 But that's where we would squarely place ourselves. America is not just an idea. It's a people and a

00:36:37.480 place. This place and these people, we have a Christian heritage. And what's the purpose? What's

00:36:42.780 the goal of this nation? Well, it's not actually to make money. It's to secure a future and to

00:36:48.480 have a place to live and to worship and to be safe. But the battle is going to be over the

00:36:53.400 next 10 years. The battle for the previous 10 years was we need a foothold. Guys, immigration

00:36:58.700 is out of control. Social justice is out of control. You're trying to make us believe that 1.00

00:37:04.660 300-pound women, morbidly obese, that they're beautiful, that they're wonderful, and pride is 0.98

00:37:10.720 awesome. That was the last 10 years. No, that's not true. But the battle of the next 10 years is 0.91

00:37:15.880 what is America and what is America for? And not just left and right have different ideas of that.

00:37:22.000 Within the right, broadly speaking, there are two different exceptions of that. And that is

00:37:26.560 the battle ahead. Yeah, there are more, I mean, there are probably, you know, 17 different

00:37:33.060 conceptions of that. But I think you're right. For the sake of simplicity and just clarity,

00:37:37.420 there are you know two major groups right like we can we can you know identify and distinguish

00:37:43.540 further you know when you go into the real right and say well here's here's a catholic conception

00:37:48.840 here's a protestant conception here's a eo conception here's this conception um but i think

00:37:55.100 you're right those are the the two major subcategories so if you have like your two

00:37:59.120 big categories left and right and then over here on the right um this you know the the new right

00:38:06.320 well to be fair left and right and then on the right you could say then it's like neocons and 0.65

00:38:12.340 new right and then within the new right then it's like um gay jew who's a software engineer and 0.55

00:38:20.820 right you know a guy who you know his descendants go back to the mayflower and he misses the america 0.82

00:38:26.940 that his great great great grandparents knew yeah and that's the competition yeah and i going back

00:38:32.300 to i think some of the the underbelly the sort of dissatisfaction with people in the new right

00:38:38.840 like you talked about economic issues i think that's a big one i think like you know people

00:38:43.720 you know there's a there's famous tiktok videos i think around the time right before the election

00:38:49.180 in 2024 they're like walking up to gen z people like what do you think about this cultural uh you

00:38:54.740 know cultural culture war topic and they're like i can't eat i don't care and uh and i think that

00:39:03.300 was kind of like the embodiment i think of what people are feeling and particularly what people

00:39:08.600 are feeling in the new right but it's not the only one i think the other one is cultural it's

00:39:13.060 fundamentally cultural so you have economic and you have the cultural and the cultural looks

00:39:17.100 something like this i live in nashville and over you know theoretically i don't live in nashville

00:39:22.000 But over the last five years, I've started to see a lot, a lot more, you know, Islamic Muslim garb around. And that and that that's so you have that cultural feeling of like, wow, I do feel like they're not not only in sort of online spheres, but in my personal life, I do feel like the the sort of connection with my people and place in America is changing.

00:39:48.140 and i think so this is where you can bifurcate the the tech right and i think the the i'm going

00:39:53.640 to call it the new christian right uh uh on economic and cultural so that the the tech

00:40:00.040 rights definitely on the economic folk with the economic focus their gdp their meritocracy hey

00:40:06.540 we need to we know we need to have the best technology we need to put people who are the

00:40:10.160 best at things in the positions of power and leadership but they don't address these cultural

00:40:15.420 topics at all yeah and so so when you think about the new christian right and what what's the focus

00:40:20.680 is has been predominantly is the cultural topics but but i think where the new christian right

00:40:26.140 wins is by the incorporation of the economic topics as well and seeing and creating some

00:40:30.760 kind of conception of those two things together um that that sort of you know harbors the same kind

00:40:38.320 of um vision that some of these guys like elon musk and vivek are trying to create and honestly

00:40:45.320 to you know to say the quiet part out loud part of the reason it's hard to make headway is because

00:40:51.480 really the difference is america first versus americans first so america just as like a sports

00:41:00.080 team and anybody can come and play it's just a franchise it's like anybody can come and play for

00:41:05.760 the team so america first just means as a as a economic entity on a global stage that we just

00:41:13.820 we want to win first first place and who can get to mars first who you know who masters ai first

00:41:20.780 who has the biggest gdp all that kind of stuff but in terms of the team members that's the america

00:41:26.340 america as a team but but america but without any conviction or commitment that america

00:41:32.780 needs to include or much less prioritize americans right and so like that's that's the kind of

00:41:41.460 language that you've seen from uh vivek ramaswamy or from elon musk or you know from a number of the

00:41:47.820 tech right guys peter thiel you know alex carp is um yeah america but for them they like they've

00:41:57.040 kind of started to backpedal with some of this language but but it's hard to tell if it's really

00:42:01.540 a change of heart or if it's just because they got like blasted you know by a bunch of americans

00:42:07.340 millions of americans so it's it's hard to tell if they've just changed their rhetoric you know

00:42:11.540 so that they can go along to you know get along or if they've actually had a change of heart but

00:42:15.700 previously um i mean like this is you know all this is documented you can you can go and see it

00:42:21.700 publicly i at at christmas time no less you know in the middle of christmas as americans are

00:42:28.480 celebrating you know the birth of our savior and traditions of their of their you know their their

00:42:35.440 parents and grandparents and great-grandparents that has been celebrated here in america for

00:42:41.480 centuries um you have that's when vivek and elon musk come out and and just saying you know like

00:42:48.320 we love america and because we love america america has to win in a global competition

00:42:55.060 and the only way that america can win in a global competition is to replace um heritage americans

00:43:02.700 with people who are not americans um and that and and people were outraged you know by that

00:43:10.080 and and understandably so and so on the one hand you have you know on on the right both are are

00:43:15.840 america first but you kind of have to ask you know it's like the meme with the guy holding the gun

00:43:19.820 like what kind of american are you you know like what kind of america you have to even ask what

00:43:23.940 kind of america first are you like and you have to kind of you have to you have to do the reading

00:43:29.100 you know like with some of these guys it's america first it's like can i see the documents can i read

00:43:34.520 your definition of america first you get down to the fine print and it's uh and it's israel first

00:43:39.700 oh okay you know or it's america as the sports team but anybody can be on the team and probably 0.66

00:43:47.020 a lot of americans will get replaced by a bunch of indians coming over because they're willing to 1.00

00:43:52.660 live you know like 18 of them in a three-bedroom house you know and work for two-thirds the wage 1.00

00:43:58.700 that an american would have to be paid in order to feed a family and so it's like oh that america 0.51

00:44:04.400 first you just mean america's gdp beating china that's that's literally that's what you mean when

00:44:09.640 you say america first and of course you know israel first um and then there's this other

00:44:14.340 america first it's americans first but here's my whole point the to say the quiet part out loud

00:44:21.800 part of the difficulty making headway in this conversation is you can't get to the conversation

00:44:27.600 of America first meaning Americans first without answering the question what is an American

00:44:32.600 and a lot of people that's part of why we keep kind of hitting a brick wall and you only get so

00:44:38.340 far because everyone's kind of like biting their fingernails and nervous to say out loud

00:44:44.680 we actually have to have a real conversation about like if we love America and it's not just

00:44:50.880 an idea and it's not just an economic zone but it's a people we have to have a real conversation

00:44:55.620 of which people which people are included in this nation that i love and the moment that you have

00:45:02.600 that conversation about who's included by by way of consequence you're talking about who's not

00:45:07.140 included and here's here's the deal those who are not included it's not a 100 you know um this group

00:45:14.880 and 100 not that that group it's a little bit more complex than that but in terms of averages

00:45:20.540 well the people who are included are um a little bit more white and the people who are not included 0.61

00:45:28.520 are a little bit more colored and so nobody wants to have the conversation because they know 0.57

00:45:34.880 that the immediate response is going to be the cry of racist but the reality is it's it's it's

00:45:42.060 like no nobody's being racist but but the reality is um millions of indians who came over here just

00:45:48.620 in the last few years to get hired by google are not americans but i have an american citizenship

00:45:54.120 well frankly darling i don't give a damn you're like it doesn't no but that doesn't make you an 0.87

00:45:59.840 american you may be a legal american citizen number one you shouldn't have been that was wicked 0.85

00:46:05.740 that was wicked for our political rulers to make citizenship so easy that a ton of people could

00:46:13.320 come and economically replace the natural born citizens you could take a flight and vacation

00:46:19.760 oh my baby happened to be born here well and people do it people do it anchor baby yeah people

00:46:24.520 do it all the time say we went to disney world and yes when we booked our tickets we also uh did

00:46:30.380 the math and and were very intentional nine months before uh to be very intimate in our marriage you

00:46:36.080 know like um and it's and it's by design it's like we planned a trip at this time so that um so that

00:46:42.640 you know, we could give birth to a baby in Mickey Mouse's lap, you know?

00:46:47.160 And literally, like, all this is documented.

00:46:50.620 This has happened again and again and again and again.

00:46:53.280 And we have to be able, we're never going to be able to talk about America first

00:46:57.540 if it's not Americans first.

00:46:59.580 And we can't have that conversation without being able to describe

00:47:02.920 with detail what an American is.

00:47:07.020 And to do that, you're going to have to be willing to say,

00:47:10.020 yes the pakistani couple that came over to florida to visit disney world and had a baby

00:47:17.160 in mickey mouse's lap are not americans and that baby is a precious child made in the image of god

00:47:24.840 that needs to live a full life by god's grace be converted to christianity in pakistan

00:47:30.520 it's not an american like and none of that includes malice or hatred or anything like that

00:47:36.360 but until we're ready to say what is an american then america first is just sports team win game

00:47:44.280 sports team win game yeah and and you know we'll i'm sure we'll talk about this a little bit more

00:47:49.340 but like certainly we have to recognize a friend enemy distinction when it comes to specific

00:47:54.300 policies and we have to be shrewd because there are going to be times where this new tech right

00:47:58.320 it makes sense for us to align with them on they first off they have a lot of money yeah we don't

00:48:04.120 need to be autistic yeah and they have access to institutions but that said you know recognizing 0.97

00:48:10.700 that at times they're going to be our friend we have to understand that they are our enemy right 0.99

00:48:14.720 and so you think about what what it is that they believe you know you talk joel about this

00:48:18.980 conception of america well america to them is is propositions and anyone assenting to those

00:48:23.500 propositions who happens to be recognized by the government as a citizen here um or sort of as a

00:48:29.620 duly sort of arriving citizens. So they talk about immigration. They are an American. They

00:48:37.460 have these propositions. But here's the thing. These are two different conceptions of a nation.

00:48:42.060 In my house, for example, I have a rule. If you come into my house, if you're a member of my

00:48:46.960 household, I should put it that way, you eat free. I'm not going to charge my son to eat. I'm not

00:48:52.340 going to charge my wife to eat. Now imagine a man comes along and he says, hey, let me put a sign

00:48:56.820 now whoever's in this house eats free right or whoever you know that that's a different conception

00:49:03.140 of my household right it is right so even while part of there's like there is a proposition there

00:49:08.780 i suppose of you know my my household eats free by my by my labor uh certainly that it's more than

00:49:16.580 that um and so we have to all i'm saying this all to say we have to recognize that they are two

00:49:21.900 fundamental different views it's not like and because they'll they will argue like oh you know

00:49:26.380 Vivek with his words will say, oh, I'm finding some points of agreement here with you, Joel.

00:49:30.600 I do think that America isn't just propositions. I think people who live here, they have to belong

00:49:37.240 to the land. They have to get involved in the civic life there and those sorts of things. But

00:49:42.920 we have to recognize that ultimately America was for someone. And who it's for can't be separated

00:49:52.020 from what we're claiming here in the new christian right what it is right and part of what that it

00:49:57.880 goes back to what i've talked about so much but what that requires is the absolute um disintegration

00:50:05.880 of any notion of egalitarianism this idea that everything has to be equal um like good civil

00:50:14.480 fathers civil leaders like the puritans talked about this matthew henry talks about it thomas

00:50:19.960 watson talks about like there are civil fathers and they should be nursing fathers calvin talks

00:50:25.060 about like they should be um compassionate and caring to their distinct people to their people

00:50:32.200 and so like so for instance from a biblical perspective it is not unjust um to have

00:50:39.420 favoritism there is such a thing biblically as sinful favoritism but it is it is not sinful

00:50:45.720 favoritism for japan to prioritize right the japanese yeah um and in fact it's actually

00:50:53.340 when you think of what is a nation as a people um other than the family writ large that's what

00:51:00.660 a nation is it's a family writ large um ancestry descendants um heritage and culture and religion

00:51:08.440 and language and land. So I would say that a nation is more than just lineage and land,

00:51:17.800 people and place, soil and blood, God forbid. But a nation is more than that. I would say

00:51:26.800 lineage and land and language and loves and liturgy and laws. There's a lot of Ls there. 1.00

00:51:33.080 and a nation is more but it's never less it can't be less than people in place or blood and soil or

00:51:41.640 lineage and land and and it's not just that land and these people lineage means time that's the

00:51:49.560 inescapable characteristic that has to be factored in is how long how long have you been so you're

00:51:56.540 here okay um were your parents here were your grandparents here were your great-grandparents

00:52:03.040 here and and so my point is you have to get rid of every notion of egalitarianism and there is

00:52:08.240 nothing unbiblical in fact i would argue quite the opposite it is unbiblical and unjust and and

00:52:14.980 immoral um to treat someone who just came here and give to them the same provisions with um as

00:52:23.200 as you would give to the native native citizens of a place um but the provisions that you're giving

00:52:28.820 were built up by these people's parents and not these others it is theft it is theft it is actually

00:52:36.620 immoral it is actually unbit so people say well you're a christian pastor this doesn't sound

00:52:41.060 biblical you know because uh the bible says that um that everybody's the same and should be treated

00:52:45.720 um exactly the same i'm like what where does the bible say that that's that's not that's that's not

00:52:51.180 that you might have learned that and you know ted cruz's sunday school you know like they did i

00:52:55.580 hear they teach all kinds of things that aren't biblical you know but um but that's not actually

00:53:00.320 in the bible and so so i'll just be specific um if if all of a sudden we you know elected leaders

00:53:07.980 and those leaders through the rightful means of actually amending you know documents and

00:53:14.340 legislation and these kinds of things but they they legally said um from now on uh we're going

00:53:20.180 to give require far less taxes or maybe for a season because the tax burden has been so high

00:53:27.800 for the native population of rick everyone who can prove through documentation that both sides

00:53:35.580 of their family have been here for three or more generations their taxes are going to be cut in

00:53:41.460 half and everyone who's not their taxes are going to be doubled there's nothing unbiblical about

00:53:47.600 them it's a look you're here benefiting from something that was built by someone else the

00:53:55.040 people who had been here yeah the people who have been here it's like well but joel you're you know

00:53:58.640 you're like you didn't build it yeah my parents did yeah and their parents did and their parents

00:54:04.320 did the inheritance inheritance is familial and it is absolutely christian to not leave an

00:54:12.200 inheritance to your children the the proverbs literally say a wise man a good man leaves an

00:54:17.360 inheritance for his children's children our founders told us who they were leaving this

00:54:22.660 inheritance to to us and our posterity they do not say to ourselves and freaking india like that's

00:54:30.440 insane so india you want to be here great check back in in 50 years okay so because we're full 0.72

00:54:38.940 and then secondly when they do come um you can have you're going to be treated as a guest you're

00:54:44.340 not going to be exploited um but you do not have the same rights as the native citizens so whatever

00:54:50.200 that looks like if it's if it's some kind of protected residency but not full citizenship

00:54:55.140 or a class of citizenship but does not include voting because you just got here no you don't

00:55:01.080 get a say in our politics you you just got here and you're going to be taxed at this certain even

00:55:06.560 when you think of israel the nation of israel under the old covenant in the bible they could

00:55:10.560 charge interest from anyone in israel who was not an israelite so the sojourner like everyone's

00:55:18.100 going to quote all the verses about the alien and the stranger and you know and the sojourner

00:55:22.880 um and and how you should be compassionate yes that that is true um you cannot exploit the

00:55:28.880 sojourner. But that same Bible, read on, keep reading, says if you loan money to someone who

00:55:38.340 is not your native brother, an Israelite, but is a sojourner, that means he is a foreigner from 0.75

00:55:44.500 another land. One, he has to abide by all the laws, including the religious laws, like observing 0.93

00:55:49.340 the Sabbath, even if he worships some other god, and he can't bring in his idols publicly to worship

00:55:54.760 idols in israel number two you can loan him money and charge him interest if your brother

00:55:59.900 your native brother who is a fellow israelite if he is hurting um and and you loan him money

00:56:06.860 you cannot charge him interest well how come there's so you're saying there's a two tier

00:56:11.920 a two-tier class you betcha yeah of course there is because some people have a right to something

00:56:20.020 and everyone does not have a right to something that none of that is crazy yeah yeah i think

00:56:25.740 that's that just real quick i think that's kind of the death knell you know sort of irony with

00:56:31.080 the tech right is like we're pro meritocracy but it's like sits fundamentally on an egalitarian

00:56:37.240 basis when it's like okay yeah i'm we just did an episode on capitalism i think one of the great

00:56:42.900 facets of capitalism is meritocracy i think that the cream of the crop should take the spoils so

00:56:48.720 to speak but uh i think it ultimately comes down to a question of who gets to compete like like if

00:56:54.760 i if i'm preparing my will and i go out in my neighborhood and i say hey all the neighborhood

00:56:59.000 kids come out cole you know my son line up and race down the street and whoever wins gets you

00:57:04.940 know gets all of my inheritance you know or gets all my property like that's wicked um but that's

00:57:10.880 what what the new tech right you know version of that's what meritocracy is is proposing it's like

00:57:16.580 but i've i've said on on x a while back like the same same kind of thing i said i'm not opposed to

00:57:21.620 meritocracy uh with certain conditions just like i i like capitalism but i don't like crony capitalism

00:57:27.700 like there have to be certain um certain boundaries and um and and the government somebody has to

00:57:33.860 regulate it um so so so just like capital capitalism uh i'm i'm not opposed to meritocracy

00:57:40.340 and in many cases i think it's probably the only solution we have what i am uh vehemently opposed

00:57:45.940 to is meritocracy on a global scale america's so when the reward is everything that america stored

00:57:53.680 up but the contestants who get to compete in this uh meritocracy are the entire world which includes

00:58:01.300 you know 97 of them not being americans so america gets together um it's and and and makes

00:58:08.900 the prize like the lottery would be a good example right so i i would like for the lottery to to go

00:58:15.620 away i'm not a fan but but imagine is is wicked as the lottery already is imagine if the lottery

00:58:21.400 was um um some people buy a ticket and everyone who buys a ticket all their money goes into this

00:58:27.500 big pot but then but then in terms of drawing for the winner um it doesn't matter if you bought a

00:58:33.900 ticket or not all 8.2 billion people their names are entered at the entire population of the world

00:58:39.160 and and then what what what is obviously what's going to happen if everyone uh gets their name

00:58:45.020 um thrown into the hat one time every person on the planet no matter whether you buy a lottery

00:58:51.320 ticket or 10 lottery tickets or zero what happens people stop buying tickets and then there is no

00:58:57.720 money left to go to the winner that is merit meritocracy again some conditions but but you

00:59:04.380 know with those conditions and disclaimers being added meritocracy is fine meritocracy plus

00:59:10.620 globalism is the death of a nation meritocracy plus globalism is the death of a nation meritocracy

00:59:17.820 with a strong commitment to nationalism could do a lot of good yeah last thing i'll say too on this

00:59:24.040 tech right our guys you've got to be able to recognize when it sounds like they're saying

00:59:28.780 some base things but you look a little bit further in because we can be so easy like what's that

00:59:33.680 curtis yarvin says something bad about democracy to the new york times uh we're back well curtis

00:59:39.500 yarvin is an atheist i think of i think great examples james lindsey curtis yarvin and then

00:59:44.820 bronze age pervert costan alamaru atheist atheist and nietzschean that's not american that's not

00:59:51.400 christian what'll happen is they'll say something based be it about democracy or monarchy or history 0.77

00:59:56.200 so they'll say something great about communism or whatever and we're just too gullible like man

01:00:01.480 there it is james lindsay destroying communism and then they'll come in and again the right-wing

01:00:06.640 version that they then serve up to you is just liberalism that's been microwaved and it's lukewarm

01:00:11.500 and it's like all right you know communism's out democracy's done and what do you have for me

01:00:15.980 democracy with like 10 less people voting like oh but that just gets us back into the same boat

01:00:21.580 that we're already in and we just we have to recognize and say hey i know this guy's saying

01:00:26.940 some things that sounds like our rhetoric he's not on our side i mean like curtis yarvin again

01:00:31.660 his grandparents were communist jews like practically hey i just don't want that guy

01:00:36.200 leaving the movement he may say some great things but practically speaking hey who came over here on 0.83

01:00:41.500 the mayflower oh these are the people that built these institutions these are the people seeped in

01:00:45.620 the american political tradition the american christian tradition those are the type of guys

01:00:50.420 to be listening to and taking your cues from and for the rest say eh you say some good things but

01:00:55.840 this kind of sounds a little bit like an up yeah wherever they might say something good if it if

01:01:00.080 it helps push the ball down the court that's fine but you just need to understand there there are

01:01:04.480 like there are circles like ripples of you know and and one of those is like who's my brother and 0.92

01:01:11.060 then another one you can say like who's my friend and then another one is like who's a co-belligerent

01:01:15.700 yep but you just you just have to keep that in mind um when some of these guys with the tech

01:01:21.020 right it's like on this particular battlefront in this particular moment um they are functioning

01:01:27.980 in the providence of god as a co-belligerent um and so i'm not going to turn and shoot them in

01:01:32.560 the face no but this is not uh this person is not my friend and they're certainly not my brother 0.73

01:01:39.160 this person at the end of the day um is is not a heritage american god-fearing christian they're

01:01:49.020 they're not and so that doesn't necessarily make them um my enemy but uh but i don't need to go

01:01:55.700 and crown them king yeah i don't need to like we found him like the the absolute spokesperson for 0.90

01:02:02.840 conservatism it's like great tell us about him well he's a jew he's communist he's also gay

01:02:08.480 and he's working on ai you know technology that that can do facial scanning so that everybody 0.80

01:02:15.240 who's right wing you know he can lock in jail and he's also mentioned that his greatest fear is

01:02:19.580 being thrown out of a window by christian nationalists what like you it sounds like you

01:02:23.920 just described like a bond villain and you're saying that this this is the most base conservative

01:02:29.140 like what like we can't we just christians on the right we're just so west was being kind gullible 0.99

01:02:37.140 but the reality is like we are dumb we are so dumb and i'm talking i'll be honest i'm talking 0.96

01:02:42.680 about my friends right now i hope some of my friends are watching this and if you're offended 0.95

01:02:47.280 i'm not trying to offend you but i hope that you actually consider what's being said you you need

01:02:53.040 to consider like oh hashtag based we're so back i voted for this you know like got what i voted for 0.57

01:02:59.340 um my brother in christ like do you remember how dumb you felt and i felt when all of a sudden uh 0.54

01:03:07.800 james lindsey turned out turned out to be a turd like this is that same thing it's going to happen 0.52

01:03:14.880 it's like this guy he's our mascot and then you find out he you know like i'm thinking of bronze 1.00

01:03:20.820 age pervert it's like he's he's just a jewish guy who wants to run naked through the woods 0.97

01:03:25.820 like and we thought that guy was your hero this was our hero yes like i know guys i know christian 1.00

01:03:33.280 guys who are building institutions they have his book on the shelf they're like this is the guy and

01:03:38.680 i'm like oh my goodness like what how is this the guy you know like they're part of the the the

01:03:46.920 the field uh fellowship you know and it's like guys like we just like we're either going to do

01:03:53.760 this or we're not you know so again co-belligerency at times on particular issues fine but but there

01:04:01.520 needs to be a brotherhood and and among brothers there needs to be a deep seated commitment and

01:04:07.680 understanding of what we're actually trying to accomplish and who's really on the team and who

01:04:14.500 is not and right now like i look around and even you know again men who i respect who i honor

01:04:21.380 who are brothers so i would count them as a part of the brotherhood they are christians they are

01:04:26.120 american um but but they um but they're making some very strange partnerships very strange

01:04:34.600 partnerships all right let's go to our last commercial break and we'll come back for just a

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01:06:41.100 So the final segment, I just wanted to offer just very briefly strengths, kind of encouragements, what's going well.

01:06:48.260 We've talked about a lot of good aspects of it.

01:06:49.980 I think there's a lot. I think there's millions of us, to be honest, of varying shades, for sure.

01:06:54.300 Catholic, Protestant, who they follow, who they listen to, who they look up to.

01:06:58.700 But there's millions of young men that are they're done with this and they want to do something about it.

01:07:02.700 So we'll offer a word of encouragement and then just a word.

01:07:05.960 Maybe caution wouldn't be the right word, but but just a warning.

01:07:09.340 And hey, keep doing this. It's a caution. Yep. It's a caution. There you go.

01:07:13.520 I would say the encouragement is I think the biggest aspect, one of the biggest things that we're doing well is getting involved in politics.

01:07:19.980 that is huge. As far as we talked about the alt-right back in the 2010s, to very much so to a

01:07:26.040 degree, they didn't look at the political process as something to be involved in. Now, hear me. I

01:07:31.660 know it's going to take a long, long time before you ever see a bill, especially at the federal

01:07:36.720 level, so in Congress and the Senate, that really reflects some of the things that we would love to

01:07:40.620 see as far as Christian nationalism, as far as the borders. It's going to be a while. And same

01:07:45.640 thing at the state. It's going to take a while. But if you start that process now and you keep

01:07:49.640 working at it, I think in 25 years, you actually do win. And so people are going to have to spend

01:07:54.760 their entire careers. There's going to have to be a generation that works hard at the political

01:07:59.340 process. But then practically, that means we have all the political tools available to us.

01:08:04.080 I see a lot of guys, and it's great, and we need to keep doing it. More people need to do it. We've

01:08:08.280 talked about it a number of times on the show. Politics matter. And sometimes that's local. Hey,

01:08:13.640 I'm not going to be running at the state level. I'm not going to be leaving my day job. But I can

01:08:17.360 be on city council and I can stop this rezoning to put in high rise apartments. Those things

01:08:21.940 matter. If you have the capacity, you have the calling, you have the giftedness, state

01:08:26.100 representatives, some even of our guys need to go at the federal level. But if we keep

01:08:30.560 this up and over and over again, guys run and guys get out there and they get elected

01:08:35.100 and then they get elected. They don't get in a scandal. They do a good job. They push

01:08:39.000 the ball forward. I think on a long enough timeline, demographics are a tough battle

01:08:43.040 to be up against. I think on a long enough timeline, we actually win. So that would be 0.95

01:08:45.980 my encouragement is we're getting involved politically and if we keep doing that uh the

01:08:50.420 future is bright yeah my caution would be uh just we've said it before but to say it again hydra

01:08:56.020 power levels um so so there's just there are different players on on the team that right

01:09:02.480 there are different pieces on the chessboard um a lot of what we're doing you know is is forward

01:09:08.000 facing uh but just the reality is like you just need to know this um it is very unlikely if the

01:09:15.480 overton window shifts like what west is saying substantially because of strategic you know

01:09:20.780 movement and action um on our part uh then maybe 25 years from now maybe i could be um elected in

01:09:29.480 some kind of public office but um they're like but let's you know who are we kidding uh if i ran for

01:09:36.340 um for office today i would not be elected uh there are just there are simply too many clips

01:09:43.220 with too many millions of views of me saying things that um that i don't regret they're

01:09:50.680 they're true things um but just the political lay of the land is not yet conducive right for

01:09:58.080 for a position that far right even if it's true it's just i wouldn't get elected and so here's

01:10:04.800 my point my point is one of the ways that we win is um you can't just have loud people you have to

01:10:11.060 have powerful people so you think of like how how did the left went well the left always has its

01:10:15.700 radicals it always has people who are loud um but then but that's not all it had if that's all it

01:10:21.520 had then it wouldn't i would i would actually argue i'm just thinking of this now but i think

01:10:26.680 that's part of the reason why the left recently has failed is because um the loud people were so

01:10:33.080 loud um and they started punching their own you know the people on the left who weren't as loud

01:10:38.440 as them to where they ended up having to come out with blm and with wokeness and with you know

01:10:43.500 lgbt transgender all and so then they had to start echoing publicly from from their platforms 0.53

01:10:49.520 saying out loud the most um extreme positions of the left to where like you nancy pelosi all

01:10:55.840 of a sudden had to start regurgitating some of the rhetoric of alexandria um ocasio uh cortez

01:11:03.980 you know aoc and and and when that happened um that didn't that didn't make oh now the team is

01:11:10.720 twice as strong because now everybody's saying this no it wasn't like now we have twice the

01:11:15.320 players now now we have none of the players because at a certain level um to win you have

01:11:21.140 to have institutions you have to have politicians you have to have um uh capital you and and those

01:11:30.860 things are going to be the quieter players on your team um so in other words you have to hide

01:11:37.120 your power levels somebody has to and and not just somebody like just because i want to be specific

01:11:41.800 because i want to be practical and helpful um about 90 percent not it's not just somebody it's

01:11:47.060 not just some of the guys the vast majority of your team has to be methodical the vast majority

01:11:53.520 of your team has to be behind the scenes players we need 90 of our guys to not have podcasts

01:12:02.520 saying things like we are we need 90 of our guys put holding these views but just burying it deep

01:12:12.040 deep down inside and then putting all their efforts when they want to say something you know

01:12:19.440 on on x um they don't and instead what they do is they take that energy and they divert it towards

01:12:26.380 expanding their business and making more money right you know or running for local like it's

01:12:30.820 going to be guys putting their head down it's going to be guys putting their head down which

01:12:35.220 is hard for younger guys to do um especially younger men like if we're successful it's going

01:12:41.840 to be male-led it's going to be masculine but it's going to be a lot of masculine guys doing

01:12:48.080 what seemingly in the in the short run seem like boring things i think that's going to be the

01:12:54.960 greatest hurdle our greatest challenge is how can we convince angry young men who are angry for good

01:13:02.080 reason right their anger is justifiable how can we convince them in their anger instead of lashing

01:13:08.760 out to play the long game and divert that towards um actually winning like we we we want to win and

01:13:18.020 you don't win without money you don't win without elected officials and so a lot of our guys are

01:13:25.160 just going to have to go to their local gop chapter go to their local city council meetings

01:13:29.760 go to this go to that join a lions club or whatever you know club they have today you know

01:13:34.640 something you know but joining those kinds of things and and let's just be honest they're going 0.99

01:13:38.720 to be primarily today led by um gen gen x and boomers which means they're going to be super gay 0.97

01:13:46.120 they are boomers are gay we all know this i'm not trying to be disrespectful but 0.97

01:13:50.880 like 90 of boomers are are neocons they're they they literally are the generation that got us 0.99

01:13:58.120 here abortion happened on their watch i mean all the worst things you can think of you you really 0.60

01:14:03.300 can lay at the feet of the boomers and so of of course like that your local gop chapter led by 0.53

01:14:09.380 you know this this 70 year old man is most of them are like 60 women that i've been involved 0.76

01:14:14.840 and it's mostly women yeah so 70 year old woman um of course it's going to be terrible

01:14:20.740 of course it is but that's how you get power that's how you get power you just show up you

01:14:27.040 show up you show up it's just being present like the future will belong to those who show up so

01:14:32.680 you show up and you don't get in some big you know cause a scene and get in some big you know

01:14:38.620 argument with that 70-year-old woman who really likes Vivek Ramaswamy, and as she's just sitting

01:14:47.200 there. And yes, it's going to require self-control. She's going to be sitting there calling herself a

01:14:52.180 conservative and espousing in front of everyone the exact views that will ensure that your own 1.00

01:14:58.380 children will be jobless and starved. Like, she is a wicked person. She is a wicked person. She 1.00

01:15:05.060 destroyed your country. And she may not mean it intentionally, but she is advocating for everything

01:15:10.480 that will kill your own children. She's wicked. She's wicked in God's sight, not mine. God is 1.00

01:15:17.640 displeased with her. And she does it all while calling herself a Christian. And she's probably 1.00

01:15:22.240 an elder at her local church. And what are you going to have to do if you want to survive,

01:15:26.580 if you want to win, if you want your kids to have a future? You're going to have to show up for 10

01:15:30.660 years quietly and respectfully and wait for her to die

01:15:35.120 or we lose you have you have to do it you have to do it yeah yeah and i would just say one i think

01:15:45.960 to sort of go go along with what you were saying as a caution i think that is actually one of the

01:15:50.960 current strengths of the movement right as as we speak now i think we have men by far who have the

01:15:58.100 most robust view of masculinity of health of education so on and so forth so i think um what

01:16:05.760 will be incumbent uh upon you know men in this new new right movement is um frankly it's just like

01:16:14.220 you know we had an age where every man was aspiring to be a pastor yes and and i don't

01:16:19.840 think we should over correct it and every man aspire to be um a simply a business owner like

01:16:25.700 i think i think there's going to be men who should be men of science who should be learned men who

01:16:30.920 should focus on education and go into um you know go get their phd so on and so forth and so i think

01:16:36.880 this like robust view of of uh you know the different sort of vocations that god uh directs

01:16:44.600 men to i think that's going to necessarily um either make or break the movement because that's

01:16:50.640 how ultimately you build institutions you capture institutions as you you have a lot of people

01:16:54.740 prominently who have their PhDs in science and can speak to what's good and bad for the nation

01:17:03.260 with respect to what you should eat, so on and so forth. So I think that's going to have to

01:17:07.780 continue to be a focus. Just don't get pigeonholed. Yeah, that's good. All right. Well, we hope that

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