The NXR Podcast - THE LIVESTREAM - The Shocking Stats About “Pride” Month

00:00:00.000 many christians have noticed that pride month is more subdued this year while this is good

00:00:09.500 we also need to be careful our goal is to see god's law instituted throughout all of society 0.68

00:00:15.300 not just to make things a little less gay many who uphold portions of god's law such as thou

00:00:22.400 shall not murder cringe when they read god's prohibition and punishment of sodomy the reality

00:00:28.920 though, is that God is good and loving in everything that he does, and his laws about

00:00:35.060 homosexuality are both righteous and they protect society from great harm. Tune in now as we discuss

00:00:41.840 how America has abandoned God's good standard. All right, gentlemen, welcome back. Good to see

00:00:56.920 again. We are going to be talking, as Joel said there at the intro, about Pride Month and the

00:01:02.800 damage that homosexuality truly does that does not get talked about very often. And we want to

00:01:08.560 issue a content warning here. If you are in the habit of listening with your children, this is

00:01:15.180 not intentionally, but just inevitably, with really no way around it, going to be a little

00:01:22.260 bit gross in some cases as we talk about some of the habits and damages and harms that are brought 0.89

00:01:30.320 on to individuals and societies when homosexuality is left unchecked. Yeah, just don't. If you're a 0.81

00:01:35.340 parent, just don't listen to it with your kids. I would not have my kids listen to this. My kids

00:01:40.100 need to be, you know, they need to be concerned about like butterflies and caterpillars. 100%.

00:01:44.300 That's their focus. Yeah. Great. So as we said in the intro, Pride Month this year has been

00:01:51.300 a little bit subdued uh and you know it's it's fantastic quite as we were at like level 10 000 1.00

00:01:57.240 gay you know last year with target 2022 was bad but yeah in 2022 years have been right egregious 0.79

00:02:04.240 but so bad that you know they kind of overplayed their hand and now they're like all right you 0.94

00:02:08.540 know america america's pretty gay but not that gay we got to tone it back a little bit yeah

00:02:12.380 so the the thing that we need to be very careful of as christians and how i want to frame the

00:02:18.480 discussion today is just what you said, Joel. We are not trying as Christians to have the world be

00:02:24.820 slightly less sinful. We're trying to work through the power of the gospel and the available means

00:02:30.640 that God has given us through family, church, and civil power to bring the world into alignment

00:02:37.240 with God's law. And while it's true that God's law and standard have existed as part of his

00:02:44.360 character for all time, he himself gave the law to Moses well after Adam and Eve had fallen.

00:02:54.340 He gave the law to fallen people for a reason. And so when we say that the goal of Christians 0.97

00:03:00.760 is to bring society in as much alignment with God's standards and laws as possible,

00:03:08.580 That's not just a pipe dream, or if so, it's the same pipe dream that God had when he gave

00:03:15.240 the law to Moses. 0.96

00:03:16.180 The law restrains evil, and this is very, very good. 0.99

00:03:20.180 We go through every Sunday as part of our liturgy the three uses of the law, and one

00:03:24.120 of them is to be a shield to individuals and to society from the unchecked evil that will

00:03:32.360 run amok in our hearts and will break out in increasingly damaging ways as a society

00:03:37.760 gives itself over and over more and more to evil so one of the things that i thought was interesting

00:03:44.640 was looking back at the history of um the the puritan roots in america and it's interesting

00:03:52.220 because the puritan colonies um when they were formulating their colonies and they had their

00:03:58.280 charters and were writing some of their own laws they actually broke some um with what was going

00:04:04.160 on in continental europe in particular in regards to their punishment of homosexuality of sodomy

00:04:10.540 at the time and they intentionally wrote almost word for word what the biblical uh laws and

00:04:18.780 punishments were and in particular the puritans and we're talking you know william bradford who

00:04:24.200 was one of the early governors um they they just copied and pasted straight out of litigus straight

00:04:32.740 out of the old testament and the punishment for um sodomy or buggery as they called it in some cases

00:04:39.940 it was death so the puritans took a harder stand it was always illegal in continental europe

00:04:47.640 but they had a more explicit desire to be theonomic really is what it boils down to

00:04:55.300 they they took the general equity of the law principle that was present in westminster

00:05:00.460 and they really applied it um and so from the from the very beginning of america's founding

00:05:06.340 it was not it was not at all nobody was surprised that sodomy was illegal but they even went as far

00:05:14.240 as the biblical law required and made it punishable by death now it is true that there weren't a lot

00:05:20.700 of records of people being executed for sodomy there were some i think it was eight or ten or

00:05:26.200 something like that in those early couple centuries. But by the same token, when King

00:05:31.120 Alfred, I think it was King Alfred, no, it was the second one, Cromwell, when he made adultery

00:05:37.320 punishable by death in England, there's no evidence that anyone was executed for adultery

00:05:43.300 in England. And yet that's the highest percentage to this day of faithful marriages and children

00:05:50.500 not born out of wedlock in England's history. Right. So when you say there was only eight, 0.86

00:05:54.580 or nine or ten people who were killed in early America for the sin that also would have been a 0.51

00:06:02.440 crime and should be a crime. God treats it, not all sins are crimes, and not all crimes are sins,

00:06:08.300 right? If you have a terrible civil magistrate who says, well, it's a crime to go to church.

00:06:12.100 Well, it may be a crime in this particular place at this particular time because you have a

00:06:17.300 particularly bad civil magistrate, but it certainly is not a sin. In fact, it would actually be a sin

00:06:21.440 to submit to that civil magistrate. And if you think that's a crazy example, just look back a

00:06:27.600 few years to 2020 when it was a crime for churches to gather. So not all sins are crimes and not all

00:06:36.200 crimes are sins. But in early America, it was both a sin and a crime. It is always a sin. 0.56

00:06:43.240 Right. It's always a sin. But it was a sin and it always is, but also treated as a crime.

00:06:50.360 And honestly, from my knowledge, that's, I mean, even on the books in, I think, Oklahoma until all the way to like 1970s.

00:06:58.200 It was later than that, 2003, and now I'm going to forget the name of it, but there was a Supreme Court case that overturned Texas's, it wasn't, it wasn't, they weren't punishing with execution.

00:07:08.240 Right, right.

00:07:08.420 But it's still up to that point until 2003, there was a law in the books that made sodomy illegal in Texas.

00:07:13.660 It's worth noting, too.

00:07:14.540 So you mentioned Europe, took a softer stance on it, like, well, it's illegal, but we won't punish it.

00:07:19.560 They certainly did punishment.

00:07:20.960 It was public beatings.

00:07:22.100 It was imprisonment.

00:07:23.340 It was not the death penalty.

00:07:25.340 But you read E. Michael Jones, I was going to say, sexual liberation and political control.

00:07:29.460 And the trajectory of the sexual revolution in France and in England at the time took off way quicker.

00:07:34.820 And they were shocked.

00:07:36.000 The elites were shocked at the violent sexual nature of the French Revolution versus America didn't really have that type of sexual revolution.

00:07:43.660 They wouldn't even say until the early 1900s.

00:07:45.660 So that law had a pedagogical purpose in that when it was just even still punished, like you said, but not quite the death penalty like God's law lays out, you saw quicker degeneration into sexual perversion, sexual immorality for that people on the scale of hundreds of years.

00:08:03.020 The country that said, no, we'll hold the line.

00:08:05.560 The Bible says the death penalty, it's going to be death penalty in our colonies, got longer just at a time span level without it.

00:08:12.040 Yeah, and when Wes says pedagogical purpose, what he's saying is that, like, he's saying that the law functions, the scripture says this, as a tutor.

00:08:21.020 So the law, in one fell swoop, it simultaneously restrains evil, not evil at the level of the heart, at least not in the first instance.

00:08:30.020 So, you know, total depravity is still just a reality of all mankind apart from conversion.

00:08:36.260 Only the gospel can replace the heart of stone with a heart of flesh.

00:08:40.240 And so, you know, so the unregenerate man is still totally depraved, whether there are good laws or not, and whether he ever acts on those sinful inclinations in his heart or not.

00:08:49.360 But what the law does is, one, it works as a shield restraining evil, not evil at the level of the heart, but outward manifestations of evil, acting upon evil inclinations.

00:08:58.860 But then not only that, not only does the law work as a restraint, a shield restraining outward manifestations of evil, but the law over time, and especially over the course of generations, it works as a tutor, that it actually trains the people.

00:09:13.640 And that's what you see, right?

00:09:15.100 The oldest expression is that politics is downstream of culture.

00:09:19.120 um you know but there is a sense in which um yeah our culture got worse and so then you get a

00:09:25.680 burger fell right a ruling saying that gay gay marriage is on the table um but there's also

00:09:30.800 something to be said for um okay so the culture was getting progressively worse uh leading up to

00:09:35.500 a political decision namely a burger fell uh but then let's let's go back to 2015 between 2015 and

00:09:42.500 that decision and now 2024 these last almost 10 years uh what has happened to culture since that

00:09:48.060 political ruling. So it's not just culture got worse, which produced a certain set of politics,

00:09:53.400 Obergefell, but a certain set of political rulings also produced, trained in that pedagogical

00:10:00.320 fashion, tutored, shaped, trained the culture to where if anybody in the culture was still on the

00:10:07.640 fence in 2015, now far fewer are. Most people are decided. I remember watching Seinfeld back in the

00:10:14.000 day. And I love Seinfeld. Terrible. It's a good idea of figuring out how we got here and the

00:10:20.040 progression of culture and these kinds of things. But at the same time, it also was a groundbreaking

00:10:25.780 novel show for different cultural reasons. And so all that being said, though, I remember this

00:10:31.180 one episode where there's this argument in a restaurant between Elaine and the owner of the

00:10:36.220 restaurant about abortion. And the owner is very much pro-life. And he says, who gives you the,

00:10:43.340 you know what gives you the right to say that a child you know could be aborted and she was like

00:10:48.140 what gives me the right the supreme court of the united states and here's seinfeld the biggest show

00:10:53.500 in television um at the time it's still pretty big uh but at the time biggest show in television

00:10:58.360 and here's uh the you know what's what's the the uh the landmark line you know spoken from

00:11:04.120 elaine her character um it is uh this isn't just a personal sentiment or my own novel individual

00:11:10.360 idea there is an authority a transcendent in her view it's not but a transcendent authority that

00:11:16.680 gives me this right and what is it um it's a political decision the politics shape the culture

00:11:23.080 so my point is it's not either or it's not a one-way stream but a two-way street that uh that

00:11:29.640 that the culture does shape politics uh but also uh the law through politics shapes a culture that's

00:11:37.640 the pedagogical nature of the law functioning as a tutor yeah well and it's interesting because

00:11:44.700 when you look back uh following the puritans um the two the two colonies that were really

00:11:52.200 opposed to the idea of the death penalty for sodomy were pennsylvania and rhode island and 0.94

00:11:57.640 rhode island was just irreligious from the beginning classic just gay from the start

00:12:03.580 well but but that's what that's where it's interesting because rhode island and pennsylvania

00:12:08.940 pennsylvania um they were founded by quakers and they were pacifist pietistic yeah and so their

00:12:18.120 their impulse was well it's it violates our subjective standards of being pacifist

00:12:26.400 to execute someone and so they took their own really reluctance to do violence when god had

00:12:33.060 commanded them to, and imposed that on the Old Testament principles, and said, because we have

00:12:38.780 this, like you said, Wes, pietistic standard of pacifism, we would like to not have there be the

00:12:45.020 death penalty for sodomy. Now, they passed it, and actually, it went back and forth. That was

00:12:50.120 part of them having a charter, and they had to change it, and it went back and forth. But as

00:12:54.100 soon as the American Revolution happened, and they became their own state, they almost immediately

00:12:59.580 wrote laws that it still punished uh sodomy it was i think six months in prison imprisonment

00:13:07.160 um but immediately we're not going to be doing the death penalty right and the point that i hope

00:13:13.620 we get across here with this is they imposed or they had a sentiment that god's standards that

00:13:21.960 he has clearly given are inhumane it is not it's it's it's it's it's and and and that's where

00:13:31.120 while all of the colonies and and any faithful you know christian man at the time would have

00:13:36.980 said sodomy is wrong they all would have agreed with that what they taught america and what

00:13:42.280 rhode island taught america was that some of god's standards are actually just cruel

00:13:49.040 They're harsh.

00:13:49.820 They're harsh.

00:13:50.620 They're inhumane.

00:13:51.520 And we know how to treat humans better than God does.

00:13:55.060 We're more merciful than God.

00:13:56.760 And that, sorry, that goes to what Wes said, where in the French Revolution, it was very

00:14:03.780 sexual.

00:14:04.440 They weren't as strong. 0.57

00:14:05.280 Well, in America, while we didn't have the overt displays of sexual revolution until

00:14:09.540 much later, what we did get bubbling under the surface, which I think is a devastating

00:14:13.440 idea, is that we can be more humane than God.

00:14:17.000 We know better than God about how to treat people.

00:14:19.860 Right.

00:14:20.380 One thing I just wanted to say from like a general equity theonomy standpoint in regards to capital punishment and these kinds of things.

00:14:27.500 This is a good point. 0.95

00:14:28.180 With Israel, it's just, you know, I think helpful for the listener to be aware of.

00:14:33.400 With Israel and their civil laws.

00:14:35.660 So, you know, we would divide the law into three different portions.

00:14:38.720 You know, there's the moral law of God that is summed up in the Decalogue, Exodus 20, the Ten Commandments.

00:14:45.240 and then there's ceremonial laws like diet restrictions like it's okay if you eat shellfish

00:14:50.240 however you know even a general equity of the ceremonial law which is not a part of the you

00:14:55.080 know the the reformed tradition it would really just be the the general equity of the civil laws

00:14:59.280 but again in keeping with this this mind of well god's not arbitrary he's not capricious and he's

00:15:06.200 not he's certainly not stupid so you know if god said don't eat pork for instance you know even now

00:15:12.980 although there is freedom in christ to eat pork because that was ceremonial and christ has

00:15:16.960 fulfilled these you know ceremonial laws on our behalf in such a way that they've been abrogated

00:15:20.840 uh there's still something to be said for uh you know israel's diet from way back in the day

00:15:26.180 uh turns out it's still a pretty decent diet today right that if you stick with beef you know and not

00:15:31.380 pork and maybe uh maybe you don't eat bottom feeder you know uh you know crustaceans that

00:15:37.840 just are you know eating mud you're talking about fish yeah yeah like shellfish well i'm saying

00:15:43.580 shellfish i'm thinking like yeah exactly so and i'm not saying i don't like them i i like crab i

00:15:48.280 like oysters you know but uh but there is something to be said that even back then in defending the

00:15:52.320 character and nature of god uh it wasn't arbitrary um and so all that being said you know you've got

00:15:56.920 the moral law that's the decalogue that's the summary of the moral laws the decalogue the ten

00:16:01.520 commandments then you got ceremonial things diet restrictions hand washings you know these kinds

00:16:05.540 of things related to the religion of Judaism at the time, and all that is done away with the

00:16:11.880 ending of the Old Covenant. And then lastly, civil laws, right? Like a parapet on the border of your

00:16:17.120 roof, aka just, it's a border, it's a fence. Because people slept on their roof during the

00:16:22.620 summer months when it was hot, they didn't have HVAC, you know, and you would be liable. Now,

00:16:28.520 they didn't have a police state going in and enforcing and saying, you don't have a parapet

00:16:32.180 on top of your roof. And so you're getting a penalty. Instead, it was, no, this is the law.

00:16:38.260 You're responsible, self-governance, you're responsible to carry this out on your own.

00:16:42.580 And if somebody is sleeping on your roof and you don't have the parapet, you're not penalized. But

00:16:47.300 if an accident occurs, and it's because, you know, if an accident occurs, they roll off the roof and

00:16:51.780 you had the border, you're not liable. And they've somehow rolled over the border or under the

00:16:56.180 border, you're not liable. But if you didn't have the border, now you're liable. So we're not

00:17:00.620 enforcing that you have to do this. You don't have to build this. We're not going to police it.

00:17:04.680 But if you don't have it and an accident occurs, then you're going to be liable for it. And so

00:17:08.980 the general equity of the civil codes, well, we don't sleep on our roofs. So right now I don't

00:17:13.840 have a border on top of my roof. I'm not in a state of continual sin because of that. But we

00:17:19.240 would say, well, the general equity is a preservation of human life made in the image of

00:17:23.020 God. And so we would apply that to certain laws for motorized vehicles and things like that.

00:17:27.840 that's the idea but then the last thing i was going to say is with the civil law as it comes

00:17:31.880 to penalty um this is a maximum penalty this is a case law system and what's being listed in the

00:17:38.400 old testament is a maximum penalty so think of like in the state of texas i'm going to get this

00:17:43.480 wrong but you'll you'll get the point um you know you'll see the signs don't mess with texas which

00:17:48.100 you know there was a time when that that that rung true and now it's like dude who are you

00:17:52.520 kidding texas like you don't even have a border uh it's it is it's been made a just blatantly

00:17:58.440 obvious that uh it's it's perfectly acceptable to mess with texas but once upon a time when texas

00:18:03.140 was cool um you know uh you don't mess with texas and there was this whole you know campaign and

00:18:07.900 even commercials and things like that you would see signs you know at like a state park you know

00:18:11.940 or on the side of the highway that says don't mess with texas and that littering uh you know

00:18:16.280 just throwing a piece of trash out your car windows you're driving down the interstate was

00:18:20.480 punishable and it would give a maximum penalty. It would be like up to two years in jail and a

00:18:26.620 $5,000 fine. Or I might get it backwards. It might be $2,000 fine or up to five years in jail.

00:18:31.980 Now, here's my point. I don't personally know anybody in the state of Texas doing hard time

00:18:36.660 for throwing a Coke bottle. First offense. Right. Exactly. I don't know. I don't know

00:18:40.260 anybody who's like, we were on a road trip and I just got lackadaisical. I lost my cool and

00:18:48.800 i you know i messed with texas you know and i threw a coke bottle out the window and state

00:18:53.640 trooper chucked it there was nothing exactly state trooper pulled me over and i've been in jail these

00:18:57.980 past you know three years i've got two years left on the sentence doing hard time um you know for

00:19:02.800 littering first offense um and i use that as a humorous example but that makes that makes the

00:19:07.880 point but the thing is joel if there was someone who was dumping truckloads of trash yes on the

00:19:14.400 side of the highway then the law has exactly so it's like why does it even have so then why even

00:19:19.460 have a maximum penalty if we're talking about something that doesn't uh necessitate that degree

00:19:25.440 of a penalty uh as a first offense well because um because people might be repeat offenders that

00:19:32.540 that's why and so yeah if you've got a serial litterer who is just with with with complete

00:19:37.880 reckless abandon you know just throwing coke bottles and he's doing it every single day and

00:19:42.480 trashing up all this stuff and he's received citation modeling his house and he's just dumping

00:19:46.840 it all on public land and some of it is even like you know like um certain uh you know like it's

00:19:52.720 chemicals and things that are harmful and you know and it's and there's been warnings and then

00:19:57.420 there's been even citations and he won't stop and it's like at a certain point yeah that guy

00:20:01.200 needs to be put away he's he's a threat to society that guy needs to go to jail and even for littering

00:20:08.500 but we're talking about reaching a certain degree. And so all that back to the civil codes given to

00:20:13.080 Israel, the only crime that mandated capital punishment, the death penalty, and we see this

00:20:21.100 from not just the civil law with Israel, but the Noahic covenant in Genesis chapter 9,

00:20:25.900 that if someone takes another man's life, then he forfeits his own. And that's not because

00:20:31.880 the Bible doesn't care about life. That's because the Bible does care about life,

00:20:37.120 because life is so precious. If a life is taken, the only appropriate retribution is that by taking

00:20:43.880 a life, you forfeit your own. And what does that actually do? We can map it out so easily

00:20:48.420 statistically from state to state where capital punishment is on the books for murder. Guess what?

00:20:53.960 There's less murder. So it actually is pro-life. It preserves life by having this high penalty to

00:21:00.000 ensure that this heinous crime is not committed. And so with homosexuality, though, other crimes, 0.75

00:21:09.240 so murder mandated the capital punishment. Other crimes, because if you're reading through Leviticus, 0.82

00:21:15.740 you're like, you know, it's like, well, everything, it seems like everything has the death penalty. 0.93

00:21:19.020 You just die for everything in Israel. Well, that's not true. Like if a child, it says if a

00:21:24.580 child strikes his father and mother, then he would get the death penalty. Well, the Jewish historians 1.00

00:21:30.420 have looked through, there's not one case. So you were saying there was only eight to ten of,

00:21:34.760 you know, in early America of a homosexual getting the death penalty. Well, in Israel, 0.91

00:21:40.620 there's not even one case that we can find of a child being put to death for dishonoring his

00:21:46.480 father and mother and striking them. It's just a blatant dishonor. In one regard is because it's

00:21:52.740 a maximum penalty and so there probably were not repeat offenders and then number two there were

00:21:58.280 probably few offenders in in that particular crime even to begin with why right because of the threat

00:22:04.520 of the maximum penalty that restrains right it's like people would do more evil if they knew they

00:22:10.120 could do it with impunity right but by seeing oh there's a penalty and it's a strict one that keeps

00:22:16.060 evil at bay still evil at the level of the heart we need gospel preaching to change the heart

00:22:20.560 but it absolutely restrains outward manifestations of evil and so that's so as you're thinking

00:22:26.680 through well man leviticus is just i mean hashtag based my goodness you know like like leviticus

00:22:32.160 goes hard um yes it does but it is important in understanding that the case law system and general

00:22:38.660 equity theonomy and a maximum penalty for repeat offenders right if you got somebody who who sleeps

00:22:44.300 with another man and and there's witnesses that's the other thing there would have to be that's right

00:22:48.800 two or three witnesses not just hearsay they they had had to actually see it occur or the person

00:22:53.920 gives their own confession um and even then it didn't necessarily uh mean the death penalty it

00:23:00.420 could well and to your point i shooting from memory here but i i believe in a few of the cases

00:23:06.880 it was bestiality it was involved and then uh maybe possibly rape as well right so or or even

00:23:13.460 pedophilia yeah things like that so keep in your mind we're going to get into the stats

00:23:16.820 i mean some of these are in the tens of thousands of children molested that's what i wanted to

00:23:21.340 lay the groundwork for exactly i preempted you suicide yeah thousands and thousands of people

00:23:26.740 committing suicide because of the lifestyle so you have maybe 50 people executed for this

00:23:30.860 versus the damage we've had now which one is more merciful right okay the way god said that

00:23:36.420 before we get there though and before we go to our first break i want to get to the last

00:23:40.260 thing of groundwork that i'm trying to lay so the puritan the puritans the pennsylvania

00:23:45.780 the state of pennsylvania thought god was inhumane briefly there was a very influential

00:23:52.860 political thinker and philosopher at the time montesquieu he was french and he influenced

00:23:58.640 the founding fathers in a lot of ways but he objected specifically to the death penalty for 0.98

00:24:03.080 sodomy not because he said god is inhumane to execute people the quakers just thought that was 0.78

00:24:09.440 god we can't execute anyone that's cruel he said it's disproportionate so he said god god

00:24:15.760 of course god could have us execute whomever but it's it doesn't fit the crime it's proportional

00:24:20.700 who said that was montesquieu uh the french philosopher he's the he's actually the one

00:24:25.300 french the french yeah but but before you get too close there or too far there he's the one that

00:24:31.960 kind of um systematized the idea of separation of powers the the three branches of government

00:24:38.080 removing power from a central place and so that also sounds french the the founding fathers relied

00:24:43.980 on a lot of his ideas for separation of powers.

00:24:48.120 Anyway, my point is, think about America

00:24:50.840 and where we are now and these two ideas.

00:24:53.400 God is inhumane to do what he has said

00:24:55.700 or it's disproportionate,

00:24:57.980 it's unreasonable to punish someone.

00:25:00.300 We think of now crimes for theft

00:25:03.780 or shoplifting or murder.

00:25:06.160 Well, you know, he had a bad childhood.

00:25:08.680 It would be unreasonable to punish him for these things.

00:25:11.400 These two ideas that started in the 1600s in America of God being mean and God being unreasonable have, I think, really bubbled through the American ethos and really kind of have come to define our perspective of who God is.

00:25:30.860 And you're saying the Quakers were somewhat pivotal in that? 0.93

00:25:34.100 They were extremely pivotal in the inhumane part. 1.00

00:25:37.140 That checks out.

00:25:38.080 Yep.

00:25:38.220 So they thought God's law is cruel, capricious, and we can be more merciful than God.

00:25:44.760 And then this other guy, and then the French philosopher said, it's disproportionate.

00:25:50.960 God's going too far.

00:25:52.400 Right.

00:25:52.940 And the Quakers, just for the listener, some of the distinctives of the Quakers were that

00:25:57.500 they were also very subjective and experiential.

00:26:01.120 So far less, like when you think of the Puritans and the Reformers, it needs to be rooted in

00:26:06.500 the text.

00:26:06.920 That's right.

00:26:07.240 objectivity to theology our doctrine and what we believe and not just what we believe but our

00:26:12.660 practices the regulatory principle of worship the scripture the god-breathed text regulates

00:26:17.240 what is permissible in worship how we worship so not just what we believe but how we live

00:26:21.760 and the quakers were much more i mean they got the name quakers from quaking shaking right from

00:26:28.540 shaking so when you think quakers this is what you should think you should think um not oatmeal

00:26:33.340 No, you should think pre-charismatics.

00:26:39.200 Pro-charismatics.

00:26:40.080 Proto-charismatics.

00:26:40.820 Proto-charismatics. 0.96

00:26:41.360 So the charismatics helped ensure that gay is okay. 0.99

00:26:47.260 That is not surprising at all.

00:26:49.320 It's not Baptist caused transgenderism.

00:26:50.900 That's charismatic.

00:26:51.240 But it's not too far off. 1.00

00:26:52.500 Charismatics caused the big gay. 1.00

00:26:54.080 I'm down. 1.00

00:26:54.660 I'm down.

00:26:55.320 It absolutely checks out.

00:26:56.500 All right.

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00:29:20.100 not at all suitable for them, especially with some of the details that we're going to be

00:29:23.060 getting to in this very next segment.

00:29:26.040 So I want to call attention to a quote from R.J.

00:29:30.480 Rush Dooney.

00:29:31.120 He said this about homosexuality.

00:29:35.220 He said, it is customary now among humanists to regard homosexuality as a natural act,

00:29:42.820 which is a phase in the erotic development of man.

00:29:46.420 The biblical view is that it is an act against God and therefore against nature.

00:29:53.340 God's penalty is death and a godly order will enforce it.

00:29:57.040 And really in an age, I think of Carl Truman's book, The Rise and Triumph of the Modern Self,

00:30:02.280 in an age where my sexuality is me, where we have believed that lie,

00:30:09.580 the idea, we frame the whole discussion from the get-go the wrong way.

00:30:13.760 And Rush Duny reminds us that homosexuality is a theological issue first.

00:30:21.800 It is what is the order of creation that God has made, and what has God said about it? 0.78

00:30:26.640 What is good, normative, and right?

00:30:29.940 And those three things are different, and I'm not going to necessarily unpack them.

00:30:33.500 You can think about what is good and normative and right.

00:30:36.340 And so when God enforces or requires that we as humans enforce the order that he has established, first of all, we are aligning with how God has made the world.

00:30:48.000 And second of all, we are aligning with what is ultimately objective, moral, good. 0.82

00:30:54.420 And really the line in the sand for a lot of people or the difficult pill to swallow is this idea that homosexuals are just being true to themselves.

00:31:06.340 How could God be so mean to punish or—it even doesn't quite make sense to say punish someone for being themselves, right? 0.81

00:31:18.480 Like God is asking them to deny who they are.

00:31:22.320 And what we as Christians, we first need to recapture is that God has the right to determine and has determined what is right and wrong, what is natural and good.

00:31:31.840 and then it is our job in all areas of law and society to support and uphold what is good, right?

00:31:39.460 And if you can boil it down to always what God has said is normative, good, and moral,

00:31:46.040 and then our laws and our practices are supposed to promote what is normative, good, and moral,

00:31:52.280 and punish what is deviant, immoral, and bad, then it starts to become more clear.

00:31:58.080 but that takes a little bit of time working through for a lot of christians especially

00:32:02.080 younger christians who who grew up with this idea that my identity is my sexuality and how dare you

00:32:07.280 tell me to deny that yeah right right the reality is and and this is something that just does not

00:32:15.160 get talked about a lot um but because the protected class now is the lgbtq class right right but the 0.68

00:32:21.800 reality is is that homosexual practice is is harmful devastating um i mean words almost words

00:32:32.820 almost don't go far enough so we have a couple of statistics i don't think we're going to go over

00:32:37.880 all of these so wes i know you you helped investigate some of these too and so if you've

00:32:41.640 got some i'm down for all um okay well we'll just we'll just start reading then i i think just i

00:32:46.680 think if you can we'll go through just read them all out and all right so this is you know if you're

00:32:51.920 driving your car right now again this is the warning uh this is not appropriate for children

00:32:56.580 and even if you're an adult you do need to know this um but yeah it's uh it's going to be hard 0.97

00:33:03.700 yep hard to hear here we go all right so here we go one study reports 70 of homosexuals admitting 0.85

00:33:08.820 to having sex only one time with over 50 of their partners so the promiscuity just the the sleeping 0.96

00:33:15.980 around um is rampant rampant in the homosexual community one study reports that the average 0.78

00:33:21.740 homosexual has between 20 and 106 partners per year per year per year per year the average

00:33:28.520 heterosexual this is sad too but the average heterosexual has eight partners in a lifetime 0.83

00:33:33.100 so average heterosexual eight partners in a lifetime average homosexual 20 to 106 yes a year

00:33:41.880 I don't see it cited here.

00:33:43.420 This is the stat that's commonly thrown out.

00:33:45.640 50% of homosexuals have over 500 lifetime gay partners.

00:33:49.880 So half of gay men have slept with over 500 men,

00:33:53.800 and a quarter have slept with over 1,000.

00:33:57.440 So 25%, not 2% or 3%, 25% of homosexuals, according to one study,

00:34:02.260 have slept with over 1,000 men in their lifetime. 1.00

00:34:06.080 Disgusting. 0.92

00:34:06.600 and when we get into some of the transmissions of disease and things like that you just see why 0.95

00:34:12.900 and that's the whole point is like you know like we're putting someone to death like no it's not

00:34:17.860 just privately disgusting it's not your business you know what they do in their own home and like

00:34:22.180 you find it disgusting that's fine it well it doesn't affect you yes it does yeah you can't 0.99

00:34:26.300 be that disgusting and it is disgusting you cannot be that disgusting without becoming 0.99

00:34:31.740 a living petri dish uh that then spreads um terrible diseases to the rest of the populace 0.99

00:34:40.140 you are physically not just morally or culturally or spiritually you are physically a walking threat 1.00

00:34:46.740 yep not to the physical safety of the overall populace good homosexuals next one homosexuals 0.99

00:34:52.800 got homosexuality removed from the list of mental illnesses in the early 70s they did this basically 0.92

00:34:58.320 by force they stormed the annual american psychiatric association conference for multiple

00:35:02.720 successive years and there's a quote here guerrilla theater tactics and more straightforward shouting

00:35:07.560 matches characterized their presence since homosexuality has been removed from the apa

00:35:12.480 list of mental illnesses also so has pedophilia um except for when adults feel subjective distress

00:35:20.000 and so um they intentionally got it removed from the list of deviant behaviors by storming a

00:35:26.940 conference by storming conference after conference after conference they're academic conferences

00:35:30.900 and then they came in and were rude and bullies and uh and it worked yep yep yeah so it's not

00:35:36.660 actual science it's just correct pushing people right to like threatening like we we will continue

00:35:43.080 to bully you until you tell us what we want to hear yes yeah good uh 25 to 33 percent of

00:35:49.320 homosexuals and lesbians are alcoholics and that is i didn't include the the percentage of 0.86

00:35:55.160 um non-homosexuals but it's much higher it's much higher than straight people okay yep um here we 0.97

00:36:01.960 go so this is a quote from captain william riddle of the los angeles police department he said um

00:36:07.160 30 000 sexually abused children in los angeles this was in the 80s were victims and maybe 93

00:36:14.080 actually 1993 were victims of homosexuals let's let that number 30 000 sexually abused children 0.87

00:36:22.560 in los angeles victims of homosexuals i'd much rather well that's why execution of a small

00:36:32.720 proportion as a teaching function is so much better than the tens of thousands you think about 0.58

00:36:38.660 wes we were again we were talking before the stream about the the trauma that is caused to

00:36:44.520 a child who is abused in any way but sexually at a young age that that does those are things that

00:36:51.860 will not be healed or restored until our new bodies right right those are lifelong traumatic

00:36:59.620 damages that that don't get changed they don't get fixed they don't get turned around

00:37:03.500 that's in one city los angeles and that was a quote from the the uh a captain the los angeles

00:37:09.720 police you think it's i'm sure it's worse now too i'm sure it's much in the 90s yep you could

00:37:13.720 be talking 50 000 children annually in that city of however many million are abused at some level 0.56

00:37:18.740 by homosexuals yeah yeah um it takes this was an older statistic so i'm sure the number has

00:37:25.780 increased because of inflation the cost of medicine but it takes approximately three 1.00

00:37:29.680 hundred thousand dollars to take care of each aids victim so thanks to the promiscuous lifestyle 1.00

00:37:35.940 homosexuals medical insurance rates and government health care have been skyrocketing skyrocketing 1.00

00:37:42.220 for the rest of society so that's another penalty it's not just spreading diseases 1.00

00:37:46.320 and actually endangering the rest of the population's physical health,

00:37:50.640 but also our financial well-being,

00:37:53.040 everyone is paying more, objectively.

00:37:55.940 Everyone is paying more for their health insurance today

00:38:00.360 than they would be otherwise 1.00

00:38:02.480 because of the reckless living of homosexuals. 1.00

00:38:07.280 So there's a financial cost on society. 1.00

00:38:09.660 Yep, yep.

00:38:11.260 This is some evidence that there's a cost to the individual too.

00:38:15.300 I mean, we really are wanting to be merciful to the individual as well.

00:38:19.020 We're not trying to make a unique enemy.

00:38:25.540 We want individuals to come to Christ who pray that they would repent, that they would

00:38:29.760 abandon their sin, that they would live what God has designed to be fruitful, productive

00:38:36.060 lives, and that's the prayer. 0.97

00:38:38.740 But the homosexual epidemic in our country destroys individuals as well. 0.98

00:38:44.180 so here's some stats on that the median age of death of lesbians is sorry male homosexuals is 0.83

00:38:51.480 42 years old only nine percent live past the age of 65 wow uh this drops to 39 years old

00:39:00.140 if the cause of death is aids so it's 42 without aids 42 without you somehow managed to avoid aids

00:39:07.440 you will still on average die in your early 40s yep because it's so destructive uh the median age

00:39:14.020 of death for a married heterosexual man is 75 so we're talking 33 years better healthier more 0.92

00:39:21.820 natural the median age of death of lesbians is 45 45 only 24 percent of lesbians live past the age

00:39:31.420 of 65 and the median age uh median death of married heterosexual women is 79 wow that's over

00:39:40.820 30 that's almost 35 year difference so we're talking i mean this is objectively destructive

00:39:46.040 sounds like if uh society won't enforce the penalties god will do it god will do it well

00:39:53.540 yeah yeah all right 17 okay this is where it gets

00:39:59.000 gross we're talking about i didn't include all the stats it's important it just got too long

00:40:05.900 it's gross but just for the listener real quick it's super gross super gross cannot

00:40:09.300 not, like, can't overstate that enough. But here's the deal. The reason why we need to do this is

00:40:14.500 like, well, why do I even need to know? Because you have been lied to by modern family, by will

00:40:19.400 and grace, by all the, like, oh, you know, what does it mean to be gay? It means to be friendly

00:40:23.020 and silly and artistic. Exactly. The whole thing has been a psyop. Gay is not even the proper word. 0.66

00:40:29.880 The word is homosexual and the biblical word is sodomite, right? And there's this image in the 0.98

00:40:39.040 western you know modern mind of you know will and grace you know of um of cam and mitchell you know

00:40:46.200 from modern family and like how could you not like those guys you know like good for you good

00:40:50.200 for your time right and so you know and that's uh but but you forget it's like when you think of

00:40:56.260 the lgbt community it's like well they're marked by compassion or they're marked by artistic

00:41:01.120 expression or they're marked by well don't forget the key characteristic the key characteristic of 0.99

00:41:06.120 the gay community is uh is butt sex that's the key characteristic it's feces that's the key 0.99

00:41:14.860 characteristic it's aids it's disease and it needs to be said because nobody has said it for a very 1.00

00:41:21.360 long time because we're all scared um i i don't particularly want to put my neck out there you

00:41:25.920 know right wing watch is probably going to have a field day with this but that i mean the key

00:41:29.880 characteristic of the 0.81

00:41:32.060 LGBT community is not

00:41:34.180 artistic expression. It's 1.00

00:41:36.020 perversion, sexual perversion. 0.99

00:41:38.140 That's the 0.85

00:41:39.460 distinctive that makes them a separate

00:41:41.960 community from everybody else. These statistics

00:41:44.320 too is like 2016, 2017

00:41:46.340 I was a normie. I'm ashamed to say

00:41:48.340 I was like, well, whatever. Let them get married.

00:41:50.100 I was dumb and I was wrong. And with seeing 0.98

00:41:52.040 these things, I was like, oh wait, it's not like

00:41:54.020 interchangeable. Well, you got

00:41:55.700 gay couples, you got straight couples, and on a technicality 0.75

00:41:58.460 god's like well this one won't work for this iteration these seeing these things made me go 0.94

00:42:03.260 like oh my goodness they're disgusting right and an increase from 2017 i despise this everything

00:42:09.460 it stands for i will never celebrate never give in never give any that is the proper and even

00:42:14.860 godly reaction that's right we want to make shame right make america great again make shame great

00:42:20.940 again and make disgust great again. Disgust is a God-given natural reaction that propels us

00:42:29.160 from things that are bad and harmful and destructive. And so that doesn't mean that

00:42:35.520 there can't be still love, but it's not love overriding disgust. It would be both. The natural

00:42:40.320 immediate reaction, if you see two guys walking down the street holding hands or PDA in a movie

00:42:46.360 theater, a guy kisses another guy on the cheek. The natural reaction used to be, and they had to

00:42:52.520 work really hard to overcome this because it's nature. Nature's hard to overcome. But it used

00:42:57.520 to be, and by God's grace will be again, that you see a homosexual couple in the front row of a 1.00

00:43:03.200 movie theater and a man leans over and kisses another man on the cheek, you should throw up 1.00

00:43:09.680 in your mouth a little bit. That is the proper, God-given, natural reaction. And then, as a

00:43:15.640 Christian, there should also be immediately following that so that the initial thing is,

00:43:20.140 oh, I think I just threw up in my mouth a little bit. And then also a prayer and compassion and

00:43:26.020 God, please save them. And maybe even a loving conversation like, hey guys, I'm a Christian.

00:43:31.520 Could I just share the gospel with you? So I'm not saying that we don't do that too,

00:43:35.340 but it is natural to say, I feel revulsion. I feel disgust. And as a Christian,

00:43:42.340 um i'm called to love my enemies and pray for those who persecute well and to your point there

00:43:47.360 joel i mean where we're at right now is a lot of christians and a lot of denominations in their

00:43:52.960 um statements of beliefs now would say share the gospel why why would you need to share the gospel

00:43:57.600 with them you know like we're at the point now where we can't even agree that that's a type of

00:44:03.700 person that the gospel ought to be shared with right yep okay okay so here all that was it's 1.00

00:44:10.940 about to get gross okay so here get ready all right so 17 of homosexuals eat and or rub the 0.99

00:44:16.880 feces of their partners on themselves this is significant because homosexuals are responsible 1.00

00:44:22.260 for the first sexually transmitted outbreak of typhoid fever in the history of the united states 1.00

00:44:26.920 and typhoid is a disease caused by ingesting human feces usually improper sanitation with

00:44:32.880 hand washing but the point is here it started to spread sexually because of this practice among 0.89

00:44:38.820 homosexuals uh related to that in one study the average homosexual fellated somewhere between 20 0.98

00:44:45.640 and 106 men swallowed 50 seminal discharges had 75 penile penetrations of the anus and ingested 0.92

00:44:53.460 feces of 23 different men every year i saw something on twitter it was a screenshot it was 0.87

00:45:01.040 some gay guy and he was saying a little known secret of the gay community is that we're actually 0.96

00:45:04.920 in the hospital a lot because of our actions we typically get all these pathogens and everything

00:45:09.580 and we have to go to the hospital very frequently like a little known secret i saw that like he was

00:45:15.300 you know and i appreciated that he was actually admitting it you know but he said uh you know

00:45:19.180 for the longest time we thought um uh you know doctors and everybody thought that it was food

00:45:24.120 poisoning that people just kept getting food poisoning but then but then it maybe you're

00:45:28.660 talking about a different video but the one that i saw yeah he's like they thought it was food

00:45:31.920 poisoning but then they started looking at the percentages of who keeps coming into the hospital

00:45:35.740 for you know alleged food poisoning and turns out uh it is uh like like massively disproportionately 0.79

00:45:43.020 gay men um they keep getting food poisoning so what what are these gay men eating oh turns out 0.73

00:45:48.740 the feces of other men yeah that's what they're eating that's the food poisoning it's actually 1.00

00:45:53.680 fecal poisoning yeah well and right along with that in large cities hospitals are often called 1.00

00:45:59.460 on to remove objects from the rectums of homosexuals sometimes the homosexuals do so 1.00

00:46:04.280 much damage that they have to wear colostomy bags for the rest of their lives yep it's big in large 0.95

00:46:09.560 cities san francisco public health department i think the stat was in some of the resources i

00:46:13.060 sent you as well but um they had to hold a class and the class was to try to teach gays how not

00:46:18.440 to kill each other during a bondage dominance sadomasochism or something like that like the 0.95

00:46:24.040 public health department was saying like you keep actually killing each other you're so deviant

00:46:27.340 we're going to try to hold the class you figure out how to do these wicked acts without

00:46:31.580 without actually ending up and killing your partner public health departments your tax dollars like

00:46:36.620 we have a crisis on our hands we have to do something about it well more a more recent

00:46:41.020 phenomenon is the transgender surgeries and there are so many health complications that are not 0.98

00:46:45.340 getting talked about where um people are growing hair on the inside of their fake vaginas that's 0.91

00:46:51.540 getting infected um i mean i mean just like the the maintenance to keep you quote unquote healthy 0.61

00:46:58.020 after one of these surgeries it's a gaping wound yes it's a gaping wound yep right yeah yep and

00:47:02.900 and that's also not being talked about at all right really right you have to understand when 0.79

00:47:06.660 we talk about transgender surgery we're talking about putting a gaping wound in the body that 0.98

00:47:11.720 has to be dilated for the rest of people's lives and this is why 41 of transgenders kill themselves 0.99

00:47:16.480 like that's the statistics it's a 41 suicide rate because they go through the surgery thinking

00:47:21.800 they're getting something else and then they realize oh my goodness i have an open wound

00:47:25.680 in my body it's never going away i can't live like this and that's loving to say that yes yep 0.69

00:47:31.180 as far as the image of the very loving gay couple uh 50 of the calls to a hotline report queer 0.68

00:47:40.020 bashing in um involved domestic violence i.e homosexuals beating up on other homosexuals 0.95

00:47:46.480 And about 50% of the women on death row are lesbians. 0.99

00:47:53.180 33% of homosexuals admit to minor, sex with minors, basically, minor adult sex. 0.99

00:48:00.500 And 73% of all homosexuals have had sex with boys under 19 years of age. 0.99

00:48:05.500 I know some of them will say, well, 19 is not statutory rape territory, still a teenager. 0.99

00:48:10.860 so and then many homosexuals admit that they are pedophiles there is a quote here um the love 0.81

00:48:19.220 between men and boys is the foundation of homosexuality that's a quote by who i'd have 0.91

00:48:24.800 to look at the stat again read it again just start the love between men and boys is at the

00:48:29.340 foundation of homosexuality san francisco sentinel that was number 23 yep yep yeah wow

00:48:37.040 any any other more facts yep um up to 47 percent of lesbians have reported uh sexual abuse within

00:48:44.640 their domestic partnership or marriage i i was at a pride parade witnessing and talking to a woman

00:48:49.560 who was a lesbian and i told her that i was like this is not a natural well-ordered there's high

00:48:53.700 rates of domestic violence and sexual violence and she's like well when i was in the military 0.99

00:48:57.340 the only thing that happened to me was from men like that's how women argue like no there are

00:49:01.180 exceptions but generally speaking at a high statistical level oh well i know this couple

00:49:05.980 no okay maybe they are the exception maybe not but at a high level this is still true even if you

00:49:11.580 know i know two people no uh 50 percent higher abusive sexually and domestically a couple of

00:49:19.300 the stats about um virus and disease rate gay men who are um almost two percent of the u.s

00:49:27.200 population account for 80 percent of the country syphilis cases 80 percent of 80 percent gay men

00:49:33.480 account for 70 percent of the hiv cases and in 2010 homosexuals were about 200 times more likely

00:49:40.420 than everyone else to be diagnosed with hiv wow um monogamy is not characteristic of homosexual 0.71

00:49:49.080 relationships married straight females have it so this is when you're married even we're going

00:49:54.320 with so-called gay marriage okay um married females have an 85 fidelity rate so 85 of

00:50:01.100 married females remain faithful to their husband and this is lesbian no no straight straight okay

00:50:05.600 so with heterosexual women who are married yeah 85 85 stay faithful 75 of males stay faithful to 0.79

00:50:13.060 their wives which is not great not great but um homosexuals in a really this this stat was before

00:50:20.000 boogerfeld so just in this is 2010 this is in a committed relationship homosexual men in a 0.68

00:50:25.860 relationship have a 4.5 percent fidelity rate less than five percent but another way 95 percent

00:50:32.220 practice find 95 percent practice infidelity there's another stat this is from a book in the

00:50:37.400 70s and 80s every marriage of gay men that they tracked by the five-year market introduced other

00:50:42.760 partners into it so they couldn't find a single marriage marriage where the couple were together

00:50:48.260 and they went longer than five years without introducing someone into it wow last stat and

00:50:54.080 This one really is the one that makes me the most angry. 0.94

00:50:58.400 Children with gay parents are much more likely to be abused. 0.63

00:51:00.580 Up to 90% in some studies of children of gay parents to be depressed and to be obese. 0.85

00:51:08.280 Up to 90%?

00:51:10.220 Reported some sort of verbal, physical, or sexual abuse.

00:51:15.540 90%.

00:51:16.140 Up to 90% of the children. 1.00

00:51:18.660 In a gay couple. 1.00

00:51:20.620 A gay couple. 0.90

00:51:21.340 Yeah.

00:51:22.120 Reported some form of abuse.

00:51:24.080 whether it be verbal, emotional, or I'm sure in many cases, physical.

00:51:28.840 Yeah.

00:51:30.540 It's an abomination.

00:51:31.840 When we say that God was right to punish

00:51:35.980 and to command kings and nations to punish this behavior,

00:51:40.860 it is like you said earlier, Joel,

00:51:42.180 it is not just a man and a man in a bedroom

00:51:45.920 doing a few things for a few minutes.

00:51:50.760 It's always an abomination to God.

00:51:52.600 But the reason is because when it spreads and when it gets rampant, like it is in our nation, it is absolutely destructive, absolutely damaging to both individuals, individuals who are like children, and then to the rest of society.

00:52:09.180 It's incredibly, it's hard to put words to how destructive this can be to a society.

00:52:15.220 Right, right. 0.97

00:52:16.120 I'll just add for the record, too, because we live in a society influenced by porn, some of the things we mentioned, like sodomy, are not allowed in a Christian marriage either. 0.60

00:52:25.680 So just to be clear, because Michael Foster, he said he's had couples come up and say, like, we were considering doing this thing. 0.99

00:52:31.560 He's like, no, no, no, no, that's not just off limits just because the gays are doing it. 1.00

00:52:34.840 But then in the Christian bedroom, all of these devious acts are allowed. 1.00

00:52:38.140 No, they're not. 1.00

00:52:39.180 God has ordained for sex to be fruitful towards bearing children.

00:52:42.180 And if it's a sex act not aimed towards that end, then it is off limits.

00:52:46.120 All right. Let me say this real quick as just a matter of housekeeping. So I seen in the chat, we're doing this live. But for those of you who listen or watch on YouTube, we'll see if it lasts on YouTube. But for those of you who listen or watch in hindsight, I would encourage if you want. So this is something that we've been doing. Wes and Michael are alternating taking turns every single week.

00:53:10.780 So it's every Wednesday at 4 p.m. Central Time, we do this live stream, and they're alternating every other week, writing an article that corresponds.

00:53:17.380 So everything's prepped.

00:53:19.060 So we ad lib, and we talk about this and talk about that.

00:53:21.860 It may go a few different directions throughout the course of the episode, but not just an outline form of bullet points,

00:53:29.260 but like a full-fledged article anywhere from 750 to 1,500 words is prepped ahead of time for each weekly Wednesday live stream.

00:53:38.360 And we are making those articles.

00:53:39.920 We don't talk about it all the time, but this one I think might have some high demand

00:53:44.020 because I could see people wanting the statistics and the sources and citations and all those

00:53:48.560 things.

00:53:48.900 So if you want to get the article, that's all we're using is the article that Michael

00:53:52.480 prepped for this episode, and every single article is available for our Patreon members.

00:53:57.000 And I believe, Nathan, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think it's for our gold members.

00:54:00.800 Okay.

00:54:01.440 So if you just go to, what would it be?

00:54:03.700 It'd be patreon.com forward slash right response ministries.

00:54:07.620 Is that right?

00:54:08.220 So if you go to patreon.com forward slash Right Response Ministries, not only will you be able to get ad-free, our live stream, and ad-free, the Monday Theology Applied where I'm interviewing a guest, and ad-free and early access for the Friday special, which, by the way, I should probably plug that.

00:54:25.360 We've got season three of the Friday special, which is with the co-host of the podcast called Cultish out of Phoenix with Jeff Durbin and Apologia, and we're doing 10 full-length, hour-long episodes.

00:54:36.680 So it's 10 hours of content with, I think we have two bonus episodes, so like 12 hours

00:54:40.920 of content and they're going to slow drip just one every Friday, the Friday special

00:54:44.920 one every Friday, but not only can you get it ad free, but you can get all the episodes

00:54:50.140 plus the bonus episodes the moment it drops, which will be the first Friday of July next

00:54:54.980 month.

00:54:55.240 So the first Friday of July, boom, the whole season is available and the bonus episodes

00:54:59.940 if you join us on Patreon, but not just that.

00:55:02.600 So that's the big incentive of the Friday special.

00:55:04.580 But the other thing that we don't talk about much is with the Wednesday live stream, not only do you get it ad free, the actual content, you know, the video, but you also get the article.

00:55:14.700 And for this week, this is an article.

00:55:16.700 If I was listening to this, I would want, you know, I'm hearing these stats, but this is, you know, something that, man, I would like a visual.

00:55:23.240 I would like to be able to see the stats written down so that I can remember them and maybe even, you know, just keep it for my personal file.

00:55:29.460 So I'm not misquoting and to find the citations to verify that this is actually true and not

00:55:35.820 just taking our word for it.

00:55:37.440 So again, go to patreon.com forward slash Right Response Ministries, patreon.com forward

00:55:45.400 slash Right Response Ministries, and become a Patreon member, one of our gold members,

00:55:50.740 and you'll get every single week's article.

00:55:52.540 You'll get all these citations we're talking about today, and you'll also be prepped because

00:55:57.200 it's only a couple weeks away.

00:55:58.280 You'll be prepped and ready to get the early access ad-free and bonus episodes for season three of the Friday special with the co-host of Cultish.

00:56:11.120 All right, so we're going to come back, and we'll land the plane and draw some application for the Christian. 0.87

00:56:17.440 Okay, so we live in Sodom, apparently, so how then should we live? 0.98

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00:58:49.160 all right so we're gonna land the plane here and we wanted to say uh just right here um before we

00:58:56.520 do that we are making at least the citations uh of the article available in the show notes this

00:59:02.960 week the youtube notes because um those at least will allow viewers to go in and read and see um

00:59:10.700 you will notice that some of these are older um citations and part of the reason for that

00:59:16.480 is that part of the reason for that is that as america has become gay um the protected class

00:59:25.260 status has been placed on the lgbtq community um whatever that means and you you would not be able 0.56

00:59:33.140 to publish this sort of study that's right nowadays there's no way you would not only

00:59:37.240 would it not be published but you would be fired and canceled and you know you'd have to go into

00:59:42.220 witness protection and all of that so it's so for anybody who's listening and say like oh man well

00:59:47.220 they didn't really do their scholarly you know work and they're using citing something from 2010

00:59:51.800 and stuff like yeah um because uh you can't you can't find stuff today because uh because it is

00:59:58.380 so bad and so out of control uh that the truth is suppressed yeah the president of the ama american

01:00:04.100 medical association is a gay man first one yeah there you might have been a year ago there you 0.91

01:00:09.000 fantastic nothing to see here news is he won't hold the position very long because the average

01:00:13.900 gay man as we just saw 42 years old so all right anyways so this this poses interesting um 0.99

01:00:22.060 and real questions for how do we live in society how do we live in a gay perverse degenerate 1.00

01:00:29.000 society and um it's on the one hand there is very little chance that between now and next 0.99

01:00:38.600 wednesday laws get passed that criminalize i'm not i'm not even saying like to the death penalty

01:00:45.000 but to even just make it illegal to be to be performing acts of sodomy much less raising it

01:00:51.160 to a maximum penalty being the death penalty that's that is not going to happen in the next

01:00:55.920 two weeks right in the next year right i mean unless we get our christian prince i was about

01:01:00.500 to say there is a way unless we get el salvador's president um so or uganda's president or uganda's

01:01:07.880 president yep um you know and by god's grace it could happen right god could just say i'm done

01:01:13.080 with this and we're not going to do it anymore right um but in the meantime what is our reaction

01:01:19.640 to be well for one the punishment for the crime of sodomy is given to the state it's not given

01:01:28.800 to the individual that's right this does so this means you don't get to be a vigilante you do not 0.97

01:01:33.120 Or beat up a gay guy in the street. 1.00

01:01:34.740 Slash the tires of your gay neighbor. 1.00

01:01:36.680 That's right. 1.00

01:01:37.720 Or, you know, have your kids throw water balloons at him as he comes home from work every day.

01:01:42.220 We're not advocating for that.

01:01:43.100 That is not acceptable.

01:01:45.040 That is not what we're advocating for.

01:01:46.520 We would welcome a time when the law reflects God's righteous standards.

01:01:49.920 Yes.

01:01:50.140 And when the sword and the enforcement be given to righteous magistrates, 100%. 0.82

01:01:55.800 But for now, that is not in the Christian's sphere. 0.99

01:02:00.400 Right. 0.99

01:02:00.740 Right?

01:02:00.920 And so, Joel, what you said earlier is important.

01:02:04.620 We are to cultivate a revulsion because we have to understand that everything in society is getting us to not only tolerate sin.

01:02:15.680 Some people have a hard time swallowing pills, right?

01:02:19.780 And they get a gag reflex.

01:02:22.080 The gag reflex is good in life.

01:02:24.540 But they have to train themselves not to have that gag reflex when they take pills.

01:02:30.920 desensitize they have to desensitize so so nature can be desensitized and what we have to understand

01:02:36.260 is there is a massive campaign to get us to not have those reflexes or not respond to those

01:02:43.120 reflexes of disgust and shame and revulsion towards these issues and so there's a sense

01:02:49.940 where as christians we need to be in the word and we need to be talking not explicitly but we need

01:02:57.060 to remind each other, this is not acceptable. We should be grossed out. As your kids are hitting

01:03:01.760 adulthood, especially if you're sending them off to a university or maybe they're moving out,

01:03:07.540 your son's moving out for a job or something like that, you need to start having discussions

01:03:12.340 when it's appropriate with them that the message about homosexuality that they're receiving

01:03:17.520 is completely antithetical to the biblical message, and we need to cultivate that revulsion 0.91

01:03:24.280 that's good and proper. 1.00

01:03:25.980 It's really, it's a fruit of sanctification.

01:03:28.020 That's right.

01:03:28.340 As you become more like Christ,

01:03:30.420 you learn to love what he loves and hate what he hates.

01:03:33.020 What he hates.

01:03:33.420 And I will fully confess and admit

01:03:36.740 that because of my own sin, my own failure, 0.97

01:03:40.280 by God's grace, I've never sinned in a homosexual way, 0.73

01:03:45.060 but I have had heterosexual sexual immorality in my past.

01:03:49.240 And here's the thing.

01:03:50.220 The point that I'm trying to make is,

01:03:51.780 i mean don't we think that at some level uh maybe the fact that a bunch of men who by nature like

01:03:59.420 if it was the 1950s everybody would be thrown up you know but like but maybe the reason why a bunch

01:04:04.660 of men are not disgusted uh when they see pda with homosexual couples is because they're all 0.96

01:04:10.460 looking at porn right so even though they're looking at heterosexual porn right you know 0.54

01:04:15.160 they're looking at uh progressively just like sanctification it's a progression so is sin

01:04:20.380 in the in the alternate direction and so there's a progression even if you're remaining still a

01:04:26.080 heterosexual attraction to the opposite sex you're looking at pornography in the you know in the

01:04:30.500 privacy of your own bedroom and and at a certain point one degree one level of pornography doesn't

01:04:36.400 do it anymore so you're looking for greater and greater degrees of perversion and uh one it you

01:04:42.120 might just become gay but two even if you yourself don't get to the point where you're attracted to 0.91

01:04:47.860 same sex, uh, sexual deviancy, uh, you at least could desensitize yourself, um, to where you're 0.93

01:04:55.040 at least not disgusted when you see others, um, engage in homosexual activity. And for anybody 0.84

01:05:00.880 who would, you know, push back and say, what do you mean? You just might become gay. Uh, this 0.99

01:05:04.500 one, one quick little anecdote, uh, an antidote, but, um, but when I was serving tables, right,

01:05:11.760 if you want to find, you know, some of the worst, you know, saddest degenerates on the planet,

01:05:15.720 sadly it's you know serving tables and um and and not that it's a bad job or anything like that but

01:05:21.100 um especially when you find people who they they just don't have the ambition to to do anything

01:05:26.800 else they've just been there forever you know it's not like a 19 year old kid who's serving

01:05:30.540 tables this is his first job so anyways um i was serving tables i was in dallas doing my undergrad

01:05:35.120 at the time and i remember you know there was just i mean it was crazy but it's like out of

01:05:40.260 the male servers you know at least half of them if not more were gay and they're you know and they

01:05:45.020 would always you know be like thinking they're funny you know and like hitting on me and um and

01:05:50.200 then i remember you know one of the the older uh gay male servers um you know we it was like uh we

01:05:56.460 were on lunch break uh the servers were it was in between you know lunch and dinner the rush hour

01:06:01.660 it was like maybe two or three in the afternoon we were all eating our meals sitting back at a 0.98

01:06:05.580 table together and um and this this older gay man you know uh begins to try to convince me of

01:06:13.800 homosexuality um and and i remember asking him this is before some of the rhetoric had been before

01:06:19.780 they had been you know trained to say say these words and say that you know because this will go

01:06:23.560 so he was just being honest right right he wasn't trying to pull the wool over my eyes

01:06:27.280 um and so this was 2005 probably 2006 2006 or something so you know almost 20 years ago and i

01:06:37.640 remember um you know he uh he was trying to convince me of of being a homosexual and uh and

01:06:45.200 i remember saying um well when i i said well you know first no thanks but then you know secondly

01:06:50.660 um when you know when did you become a homosexual weren't you born that way isn't that the rhetoric 0.76

01:06:55.860 isn't that the narrative he's like oh no no no he's like gay people aren't born this way he said

01:07:00.580 um i wasn't born this way he said but once you've had a thousand female partners you realize that uh

01:07:07.320 that no one can please a man like another man and what he was admitting right because he hadn't got 0.64

01:07:13.840 the memo apparently from the you know the lgbt leaders on high you know all the marxists um so

01:07:19.520 he was just kind of showing his hand he was he was giving the true answer um and just saying no it is 0.84

01:07:25.400 a progression of perversion and i was so perverse as a heterosexual that i eventually there was

01:07:31.840 nowhere to go but to graduate to being a homosexual and that is it yeah for the majority of men for 0.71

01:07:38.940 the majority of gay men that is it is there something to be said for like well i was abused 0.95

01:07:43.360 by my father or is that a certain like there might there might be some of that or even certain you

01:07:48.760 know whether it be testosterone or estrogen levels that like one particular person from birth might

01:07:53.260 be more have a higher propensity towards that although it's not their design that's not natural

01:07:58.780 it's certainly not inevitable um there's maybe a little bit there right there's a little bit but

01:08:03.780 that's that's a whole thing that's that's the way deception works is they take a footnote and make

01:08:08.000 it a headline and then take the headline and don't even make it a footnote they just just strip it

01:08:12.960 from from the article all together um but the headline of the story is not um i was born this

01:08:19.080 way no the headline of the story is i'm a pervert and i have so diligently pursued perversion that

01:08:27.200 i've progressed to a greater degree of perversion that's that is how it works i'll do you one better

01:08:32.940 on pornography so transgenderism is intimately linked with it i'll try to describe this in a way

01:08:37.900 that that's not too rough but um it's pornography viewing pornography viewing what happens to the

01:08:42.980 man is he thinks that the source of pleasure is not his own uh hardware his own body uh but having

01:08:49.120 the parts of another and so it's either some type of abuse or it's so much pornography consumption

01:08:54.160 that he thinks he has to have the other parts in order to feel pleasure,

01:08:58.080 which you'll actually find in the clinical literature and everything,

01:09:01.160 is that these men then, as they play, act as women, get sexually aroused by it.

01:09:05.680 So they watch so much pornography that becomes so fixated

01:09:08.640 that their own body begins to revolt against them,

01:09:11.420 and then they think that I have to possess these parts in order to be sexually satisfied.

01:09:17.320 And so they'll tell stories of pretending to breastfeed children or whatever,

01:09:21.000 and it'll have a sexual component to it, and that's pornography. 0.63

01:09:24.160 like you said perversion so i i don't know of a transgender individual that it was not some type

01:09:29.080 of abuse done to them that they then took and then used wickedly or a pornography addiction 0.53

01:09:33.620 that turned them that way not born made right made um people will remind us at this point that

01:09:41.800 jesus was a friend of sinners he ate with sinners and tax collectors and to that we would all say

01:09:47.700 yes amen he did right but he was never ever shy about pointing out their sin when you think of the

01:09:56.420 um the woman caught in adultery which we did an episode that heavily talked about this story he

01:10:03.180 said i don't condemn you but she was condemned already by the law right and everybody knew it

01:10:07.260 um and the the the people who came to him and were so encouraged and loved by him

01:10:15.460 She was already aware of her sin.

01:10:16.820 She was already aware.

01:10:17.380 She was shamed for it.

01:10:19.060 That's the point, yes.

01:10:20.120 She already knew I'm a sinner and felt shame for her sin.

01:10:23.960 The thing that she was not aware of was the mercy of God.

01:10:27.020 Forgiveness.

01:10:27.780 The shame of sin she was fully aware of.

01:10:30.520 But today, in our culture today, see, that's the question you have to ask.

01:10:33.200 What are people unaware of?

01:10:34.740 Are they unaware of God's love or are they unaware of sin's shame?

01:10:41.040 That's right. 1.00

01:10:41.360 So the reason why shame, the shame of sin has to be pointed out is because we don't have a woman 0.66

01:10:46.500 groveling at the feet of Jesus, crying out for mercy and acknowledging already, admitting that 0.55

01:10:51.860 she's a sinner. No, instead we have people saying, of course God loves me. Why wouldn't he love me?

01:10:55.840 I deserve the love of God. I've done nothing wrong at all. You actually are the sinner,

01:10:59.800 you filthy, you know, hateful bigot. That's why we have to talk about it. 1.00

01:11:03.860 The leaders of that time were making forgiveness unattainable.

01:11:07.440 right and so the offer of forgiveness was sweet and they flocked to him the leaders of our time

01:11:14.240 are making sin irrelevant or non-existent right and so what we have to counter is that jesus was

01:11:22.720 countering what the leaders at that time were doing forgiveness is unavailable but what we are

01:11:28.120 being told in our time is sin is not a thing yeah sin is and celebrate yourself and that so so the

01:11:33.720 loving message of the christian of course we want people to be forgiven but until they know what

01:11:38.120 they're being forgiven of there there's no reason why why any uh sinner of any kind would move or

01:11:46.320 see christ as a sweet aroma yeah yeah so all right any final words from either of you guys

01:11:53.400 i liked what you said in the sermon a couple weeks ago you said uh it's the closet of the cross

01:11:57.220 welcome to christ for repentance uh but in this generation by god's grace if you can't find it

01:12:02.040 yourself to do that it's back in the closet we're not going to have this in the public square amen

01:12:05.920 because the old adage is true it's not whether but which every society will have um certain

01:12:13.720 groups with certain behaviors that are not tolerated that are shameful so it's not like

01:12:20.900 well we're going to have america is going to be a shame-free zone no no no it's it's not whether 0.88

01:12:25.280 we will have shame but simply which group will be ashamed and we've gone from um the lgbt community

01:12:34.100 being uh in the sights of shame in the crosshairs of shame to christians shame hasn't been eradicated 0.76

01:12:41.920 it's just been redirected that's right so now it's christians who are ashamed ashamed of being

01:12:46.740 bigots ashamed of being unloving ashamed of being closed-minded ashamed of you know whatever it is

01:12:52.180 so that's just how society works it's not whether but which there's always going to be a reigning

01:12:57.560 orthodoxy whatever's outside of that orthodoxy will be um heresy blasphemy and there will always

01:13:04.920 be some kind of cultural societal if not political in terms of legislative you know law there will

01:13:10.560 always be a a a societal consequence for being outside of the bounds of that society's orthodoxy

01:13:18.640 and being outside of the bounds that the penalty the consequence at a cultural level social level

01:13:24.440 will simply be shame so someone will be ashamed right it will either be christians or it will be

01:13:31.000 uh it will be the the sinner who hates christ and so um and that's what yeah at the end of my 0.51

01:13:37.540 sermon i landed the plane you know uh it was a good kickoff to you know pride month but um but 0.89

01:13:42.980 just saying that you know uh uh it there should be shame uh but even then even with that being true

01:13:50.800 um our preference and our heart and our prayer is uh repentance the cross the cross so um so it's

01:13:59.420 the closet or the cross every society will have a closet and somebody will be locked away inside 0.97

01:14:04.520 right now it's uh it's white christians um that that's who has to be in the closet you shut up 0.99

01:14:10.680 you you go uh and and sit in the corner you shut your mouth you uh you're privileged you're an 1.00

01:14:17.340 oppressor you it's uh it's white it's anglo protestants you know that's that is the ashamed 0.99

01:14:23.360 group um and we're saying well no but the bible doesn't support that the bible doesn't support 0.95

01:14:28.320 shaming um white christians uh but the bible does support shame romans 1 literally says men committed

01:14:35.380 shameful acts with one another um so this is biblical and true and honoring to god 0.69

01:14:40.740 they should be ashamed and run and hide in the closet if again if uh they don't choose the first

01:14:48.060 option which is the cross we would love for you to be in our churches be in our lives be a part

01:14:54.340 of our community have meaningful christian friendship with one another um there's only

01:14:58.760 one condition for that repentance it's like well jesus again was a friend of sinners jesus did not

01:15:03.640 Nowhere in the Bible does it say Jesus had an ongoing three-year-long friendship, meeting once

01:15:09.040 a week and hanging out with so-and-so who's not repenting. So is he the friend of Zacchaeus,

01:15:13.940 the tax collector who is ripping people off, sinning through theft? Uh-huh. Yeah. And what

01:15:17.780 did that friendship look like? It looked like having one meal at Zacchaeus' house and Zacchaeus

01:15:21.940 saying, I'm going to give back everything I stole and four times as much. So Jesus is a friend of

01:15:30.240 sinners but he was the friend of repentant sinners when it says friend of sinners we read into that 0.86

01:15:36.480 eisegesis because of our libtard theologians we read into that and say jesus is the friend of 0.79

01:15:42.120 ongoing people in a continual state of sin without repentance that's not what the new testament 0.78

01:15:47.800 teaches um when it says he's a friend of sinners what it meant is as a class of people people who

01:15:52.940 were deemed by the religious rulers and the sadducees and pharisees they were deemed as

01:15:58.120 sinners because of their past reputation. This woman is an adulterer, not necessarily because

01:16:03.040 she's currently living in a state of adultery, but she has that reputation. She's a known 1.00

01:16:08.620 adulterer or he's a known thief. And when Jesus embraced these people, it was because that was

01:16:15.180 their past reputation, but they were now repenting and worshiping Jesus and following Jesus, or they

01:16:21.680 were still in that lifestyle of sin, but with Jesus' first engagement with the person, not over

01:16:26.600 three years of no but first engagement with a person their sin is confronted and they repent

01:16:31.620 and on that basis yes now you are you are jesus friend uh he's the friend of sinners and so that's

01:16:38.560 the so we want to welcome um anyone and everyone uh but uh into friendship into community but there

01:16:45.720 is the bible does give a condition for all of us it was the same condition for me the same condition

01:16:50.180 for you uh the condition is repent that's right repent so thank you guys so much for tuning in

01:16:56.360 and this is you know uh see you on rumble next week this is the end this is the end of our

01:17:02.080 youtube channel you know so it's been real it's been fun yeah we had a good run and uh thank you

01:17:06.600 guys so much

The NXR Podcast - June 12, 2024

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