The NXR Podcast - THE LIVESTREAM - The United States of Israel

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00:00:30 The United States of Israel, or MIGA, make Israel great again.

00:00:36 Got what I voted for. 0.97

00:00:38 Yeah, it doesn't feel very good.

00:00:42 All right, so I want to go ahead and just take you down memory lane for a moment, okay?

00:00:49 Back during the election, as Donald Trump is running for president in 2024,

00:00:54 we encouraged many who were listening to vote for Trump.

00:01:00 So I'm not going to pretend that that didn't happen. Of course that happened. You can go back.

00:01:03 That's the internet. The internet is forever. We encourage people, given the lay of the land,

00:01:09 Trump versus Kamala, that we thought voting for Trump was the better choice. I still think that.

00:01:17 But I also caveated. So we weren't completely blind. I also caveated and added some necessary

00:01:24 disclaimers. And I want to start this episode by reminding you of some of the things that we said.

00:01:28 So let's go ahead, go down memory lane, play a short clip from 2024.

00:01:34 My point is, like, guys are, you know, concerned about Zionism and those kinds of things. 0.54

00:01:37 And I'm no fan of Zionism.

00:01:39 I get in trouble about it fairly often.

00:01:42 But I just, like, I just, you tell me if you think I'm wrong.

00:01:47 But I would just say that the lay of the land right now in the year of our Lord, 2024, there is no serious political candidate at the federal level, especially not the presidential level. 0.56

00:01:56 that's not going to be um some some form you know uh color or stripe of zionist that's just

00:02:03 that's where we're at and so you take the best option that you can and make the political

00:02:08 arguments and things change over time so true king well said well said joel thanks joel um

00:02:17 yeah that's how i felt at the time and i said explicit explicitly that um i didn't sit there

00:02:24 and pretend, oh, yeah, Trump isn't a Zionist. Oh, Trump's never gone to the magical wall and

00:02:30 worn the magical hat and kissed the wall and said the magical incantation. Of course he had.

00:02:36 I mean, Trump has Jewish grandchildren, right? All these things are publicly known. We know them now

00:02:40 and we knew them then. And we said as much then. So that was not the argument. The argument wasn't,

00:02:45 hey, you know what? Trump is truly America first with no ties whatsoever to Netanyahu or this,

00:02:52 that or the other. No, it was Trump has done in the providence of God, much good. And number one,

00:02:58 we want to honor him as best we can and be grateful for those things and prayerful and hopeful that he

00:03:04 could do more good. And yet his shortcomings are glaring and we are perfectly aware of them.

00:03:11 And given our choices, we think that Trump is the best way to go. Now that said, there was one more

00:03:17 thing that I mentioned during the election cycle leading up to Trump's landslide victory, and it

00:03:23 was this. I said that yes, even during the election cycle, during the campaign trail, we need to be

00:03:31 honest about Trump's shortcomings, especially as Christians, right? Because we are morally

00:03:37 obligated to speak the truth. But once he's elected, there is a shift, not in truth, not in

00:03:45 principle, but a shift in tactics, a shift in strategy. And I said, and I want to stand by it

00:03:53 and hold to it, that if and when Trump was elected, and we thought that he would be,

00:03:58 that once he was elected, then the job of the Christian shifts to now we must be calling him

00:04:05 to account, right? He's now in the White House. The Kamala potential crisis has been averted. 0.91

00:04:12 praise god um if i could go back would you vote for him again yes if i could go back in a time

00:04:18 machine i would vote for him again would i vote for him if he somehow you know was given you know

00:04:23 the constitution was amended and he was up for uh the potential of a third election well i don't it

00:04:28 depends who he's running against if there's somebody better who's actually america first

00:04:33 truly america then then no i would not vote for trump again but do i regret given the lay of the

00:04:38 land that I voted for him this last time? Absolutely not. But now that he's no longer on

00:04:43 the campaign trail, now that he is firmly placed in the White House, he's not running to be

00:04:48 president. He is president. I said then, and I'm going to confirm and reaffirm now, that now is

00:04:54 the time for Christians to chimp. Now is the time for Christians to speak out and say, Mr. President, 1.00

00:05:02 i voted for you i'm praying for you i appreciate you you don't have to be rude you don't have to

00:05:09 be disrespectful i appreciate you i'm praying for you but also um we voted for america first

00:05:17 not israel first i it's kind of funny i mean it's it's ultimately sad but it's you know

00:05:24 you can find a little dark side of humor in this uh trump will go down and be remembered as

00:05:30 he's the guy who renamed the Gulf of Mexico to the Gulf of America, right? W's in the chat,

00:05:38 boys. Hashtag, we're winning. We're so back. Yeah, but he also might go down as the guy who

00:05:43 renamed the country. He renamed the Gulf, the Gulf of America, but he might've renamed the country,

00:05:49 the United States of Israel. And we have to sit with that for a second.

00:05:53 Now, I'm not saying that Trump is the first Zionist in the White House. I mean, look at the 0.80

00:05:57 Bushes, look at the Clintons, look at everybody that we've had for the last 40, 50 years. So I

00:06:02 don't want to, I want to say Trump right now is making a mistake. It's an unforced error in my

00:06:08 assessment. That said, I don't want to pretend that he's unique. I don't think that's fair.

00:06:11 I don't think it's fair to say, man, Trump is uniquely Zionist. And when I look at Washington,

00:06:17 DC, I mean, nobody else is a Zionist. It's just him. Yeah, right. Yeah, right. And that was my 0.55

00:06:22 whole point. The clip that we just showed you was to say that in the year of our Lord 2024,

00:06:27 at the time of his election, there was no non-Zionist options, serious viable candidate

00:06:32 running for president of the United States. It wasn't, hey, you could have a Zionist or not a

00:06:37 Zionist. No, it was just, which Zionist do you want? And yeah, I pick the Trump Zionist over 0.80

00:06:43 the Kamala Zionist. Yes. That said, he is president now. The election is secure. We need 0.98

00:06:49 to be looking forward to 2028 and we need to make it plain that this is not going to be the future

00:06:57 of our country. This is not, no, we're not doing MIGA. We're not doing the United States of Israel. 0.90

00:07:03 Last thing I'll say in this opening, and then we'll get to the show. Last thing is this.

00:07:08 There is a difference in an unforced error versus, you know, politically campaigning and playing the

00:07:16 game and being a little bit strategic or shrewd, there's a wide gulf of difference between those

00:07:24 two, you know, those two options. So I think of, you know, the fight for the unborn, right? This

00:07:32 ministry, we are resolute against abortion and not just mitigating abortion or relegating abortion.

00:07:38 We want abortion to be abolished. And we believe, my position, is that the only way to abolish

00:07:44 abortion is to have equal protection, equal protection, the same protections you would have

00:07:49 for the born should be the same protections you have for the unborn. And what that means is just 0.64

00:07:55 to break it down, make it real plain so that I'm not mincing words, equal protection means equal

00:07:59 penalties. Whatever the legal penalty is for someone who takes a five-year-old child into a

00:08:06 back alley and kills them, that should be the penalty for everyone involved in abortion,

00:08:11 the husband or the boyfriend or the father or the uncle who might be coercing and the doctor aka the 1.00

00:08:17 hitman the person you are paying to kill a human being and the mother yes actually women commit 1.00

00:08:25 sin and here's you know you're a misogynist let me prove that i'm not i think so highly of women 1.00

00:08:32 that i think that they're actually morally culpable that's how highly i think of women 1.00

00:08:36 I actually don't think that they're stupid. I actually do think that a woman is intelligent 1.00

00:08:41 enough and morally responsible enough to bear that responsibility for the conscious decision 0.99

00:08:48 of murdering her own child in the womb. So yes, I think that she should be punished too.

00:08:53 But that was one of the big things on the campaign trail, just to, again, memory lane,

00:08:57 go back to 2024, Trump's running for election. And there were many Christians, like-minded

00:09:01 Christians who I have relationship with, who I respect, who I appreciate. And a lot of them

00:09:07 were saying, do not vote for Trump because he was stepping back, noticeably stepping back in

00:09:13 his rhetoric on the issue of the sanctity of life. He seemed to be more comfortable with abortion

00:09:21 than he had previously been, not even close to wanting to abolish it. And we knew that wasn't

00:09:26 going to happen, but stepping back even more from where he previously was. And so guys were saying,

00:09:31 we need to withhold our vote. Don't vote for Trump. And they weren't saying, oh, so therefore

00:09:35 vote for Kamala. They were saying, no, just don't vote at all. Of course, Kamala is not qualified,

00:09:39 but neither is Trump if he won't take a stand explicitly on the campaign trail for the unborn.

00:09:46 Now, here's the deal. Well, Trump hasn't abolished abortion. Trump can't abolish abortion. Can't.

00:09:54 It's different saying Trump has not done this positive thing that we want him to do versus

00:09:59 saying Trump is committing an unforced error. See, an unforced error is when you're doing a

00:10:07 negative thing you don't have to do, right? There's a difference in he's not doing the

00:10:12 positive thing I want him to do when a decent argument can be made that his hands are tied

00:10:17 and that he doesn't even have the judicial or executive power in order to do that thing you

00:10:22 want him to do. So it's different. There's a positive thing I want Trump to do, aka abolishing

00:10:27 abortion, and he's not doing it. That's different, especially if he can't do it. That's different

00:10:34 than there's this terrible thing that he doesn't even have to do. It's completely unforced error.

00:10:41 He doesn't have to do at all, and he's voluntarily going out of his way to do it with no clear

00:10:48 incentive, nothing to gain. It's not a tit for tat. It's not a trade. There's literally nothing

00:10:54 to gain. There is nothing forcing him to do it. And he's voluntarily committing an unforced error.

00:11:02 So what am I referencing? You've probably seen it already. It's been all over social media today.

00:11:06 Trump has just come out and said that any city or state that doesn't support Israel

00:11:14 will not be eligible for federal funds when it comes to disaster relief. What?

00:11:22 you don't have to say that you don't have to say that nobody's making you say that

00:11:28 well maybe behind the scenes and the dark echo chambers of you know uh netanyahu you know is

00:11:33 okay so so yeah i'm sure somebody wants you to say that israel probably wants you to say that

00:11:38 but what does israel have what what can they do us for us what can they give to us there's that

00:11:46 that is a completely unforced error so i would say two distinctions from the issue of life

00:11:51 and this issue with Israel? One, the timing. There's a difference in someone being shrewd

00:11:57 with their rhetoric during a campaign when they need to get elected, okay? Versus they're in the

00:12:04 White House, they are secure, and they've already won the election. And then also there's a difference

00:12:09 between someone not doing the positive thing you want them to do because they can't versus them

00:12:15 doing the negative thing you don't want them to do that they don't have to do. Completely unforced

00:12:21 error. Here we are. And so we said, vote for Trump. We're voting for Trump. If your conscience is

00:12:28 bound, then follow your conscience. Have a clear conscience before the Lord. But for all those who

00:12:34 were open to hear our arguments, we made a positive argument for Christians, despite Trump's rhetoric

00:12:40 on life to vote for Donald Trump. We voted for him. We encourage you to do the same. But even

00:12:47 when we did that, we gave the disclaimers and saying, there are some problems. And then we also

00:12:53 said, the most important disclaimer, once elected, if and once elected, then the tactics, the

00:12:59 strategy shifts for the people of God to now respectfully, honorably, but forcefully call him

00:13:07 to account. We're not trying to get Trump elected anymore. At this point, he's in the office. What

00:13:13 we do now is we hold him accountable. What we do as Christians now is always be chimping. 1.00

00:13:20 And if you think, well, that doesn't make any difference, and you're just going to have egg

00:13:23 on your face when it turns out that Trump was playing 432 D chess, and he proves all the

00:13:30 A-Series. Maybe, maybe. I think people give a little bit more 4-D chess credit to Trump than

00:13:37 he necessarily merits. But maybe he comes around, maybe he surprises us. And just to be clear,

00:13:44 giving the disclaimers now, that's what we're praying for. That's what we're hoping for. And

00:13:47 if that's the case, great, great. And we'll come back out and we'll congratulate President Trump

00:13:53 and thank him for his service. But as it sits now, as it sits now, he is committing, I believe,

00:14:00 a serious unforced error and plainly saying to the American people that Israel comes first. And so 0.74

00:14:07 we should hold him accountable. And for anybody who thinks that it makes you look bad or even

00:14:13 more than that, that it's just ineffective, you're wrong. Over Christmas just last year with H-1B

00:14:19 visas and Vivek Ramaswamy and Elon Musk, all this language, and the people just lost it.

00:14:28 the people, the American people blew up all the social media channels and said, no, no, no, no.

00:14:34 And what happened? They listened. That doesn't mean they changed their minds, but our elites,

00:14:40 when they realize the people detest what they're doing, our elites backpedaled. They actually

00:14:47 change. You actually do have influence. You actually do have power. If enough of us speak

00:14:53 out and say, Trump, we love you. We appreciate you. We're praying for you. We voted for you.

00:14:59 Please stop this. Do not do this. If enough people come out, Trump will listen. That doesn't

00:15:06 mean he changes his mind, but he will listen because here's the thing about Trump. We all

00:15:11 know this. Trump is not an ideologue. He doesn't actually have sound convictions. The only convictions

00:15:17 that he might have that are actually grounded, steadfast, unwavering would probably have a lot

00:15:22 more to do with tariffs or economic policies. But when it comes to some of these moral policies,

00:15:27 like the unborn or like relations with a foreign government, right? Having our nation in a 0.90

00:15:33 stranglehold, I don't think that Trump is ideologically on either side of the fence.

00:15:39 I think Trump just, he's an opportunist. He's a pragmatist. He does whatever he thinks is right.

00:15:44 And so because he's not actually rooted in an ideology, in a conviction, he responds to the

00:15:50 people. He is, after all, a populist president. And he's been as successful as he's been because

00:15:57 he is the kind of president, he is the kind of man who has his ear to the ground, who listens,

00:16:02 who hears, who instinctively knows what the people are thinking, knows what they're saying,

00:16:07 know what they want. And so we need to make it clear. And he actually is the kind of man who I

00:16:12 believe might shift course, change course, turn around. And that's what we're going to be doing

00:16:18 in this episode. Tune in now.

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00:17:32 as we were preparing for this on the golf cart you know we're talking you know workshopping a little

00:17:36 bit getting an idea for today's episode and the two of you um would sharp dispute yeah you were

00:17:43 not seeing eye to eye and i appreciate it because for one i think it makes for an interesting

00:17:48 engaging episode and so i would just love to hear you guys hash it out and then you know i could

00:17:53 come in and tell you why you're both wrong you know very above above it in a very above it all

00:17:58 kind of way you know as all reformed ministers do well i'm neither this nor that i'm above it all

00:18:03 um i'm not really i don't really like conferences and then a week later like so my conference

00:18:09 like so i can do that yeah um but first i think you guys should go at it a little bit well let's

00:18:14 set the stage for what is actually going on what spurned this news and when i say people are

00:18:18 chimping online people are chimping pretty much everyone is like what in the world are we doing

00:18:23 here and specifically what we're relating to as you alluded to in the cold open joel i almost said

00:18:27 trump for some reason as you alluded to joel is that a fema document came out and it's referring

00:18:31 to about 1.9 billion in emergency disaster preparation funds. We're not talking about

00:18:37 relief after the event has happened. So it's not saying your city's drowning too bad. You have to

00:18:41 support Israel. We're talking about disaster preparedness. And there's been two big stories 0.99

00:18:45 that have really driven this on a lot of people's minds, namely the hurricane in North Carolina

00:18:49 and the floods in Texas. Those emphasize how important it is within a matter of hours to be

00:18:54 able to respond, to have assets on the ground, to have food, blankets, water, all of that. So you

00:18:59 of 1.9 billion dollars that fema has and one thing that they've added to the guidelines they've added

00:19:03 a number of different things but it is right now per the trump administration per i think it's uh

00:19:09 might be homeland security christy noem as they came out with guidelines and part of those

00:19:12 guidelines for one it removed uh none of these states or cities i think states or cities a city

00:19:18 is going to have an emergency preparedness department and a state is also going to have

00:19:21 one as well if you have smaller states are obviously going to need less bigger states like

00:19:25 Texas are going to be more. But neither states nor cities, they can't have diversity, equity,

00:19:29 and inclusion offices. And so part of this is going and saying, hey, if you're going to take

00:19:33 our funds, you can't be a DEI hotspot. You can't be a sanctuary city. And I'll come right out and

00:19:39 say, hey, that's a good thing. But then there's this little throwaway line, not so throwaway,

00:19:43 because the internet has a hold of it now. But there's this throwaway line from the guidelines,

00:19:47 and I'm going to read it for you here in its entirety. So it's in the anti-discrimination

00:19:51 section, section 1D. Discriminatory prohibited boycott. So this is what the recipients of the

00:19:57 funds, states or cities, what they cannot do. They cannot discriminatorily boycott. Discriminatory

00:20:04 prohibited boycott means refusing to deal, cutting commercial relations, so ending a business

00:20:10 relation, or otherwise limiting commercial relations specifically with Israeli companies

00:20:16 or with companies doing business in or with Israel or authorized by, licensed by, or organized under

00:20:24 the laws of Israel to do business. So at this point, we're not even talking about the Israeli

00:20:29 states. We're not talking about, hey, if for some reason you have a contract with the IDF,

00:20:33 you can't end or terminate that. We're talking about companies that could be headquartered in

00:20:37 Israel. A plain reading of this would literally mean doing business with Israel. So if you have

00:20:43 a business, it could be BlackRock, and they're doing business in Israel. Theoretically, under

00:20:48 this discriminatory statute, you would not be able to terminate, cut down your customer relations

00:20:54 with them. And so, so many people are coming out and saying, this is insane that one country is

00:21:00 being spelled out in disaster relief guidelines. We're not talking international policy. We're not

00:21:05 talking arms. We're not talking military. In our disaster relief for United States, states, and

00:21:10 cities, there is a clause in here that they cannot cease, boycott, divest, doing any business

00:21:17 with not even just the Israeli government, but companies that have relations to, are

00:21:21 headquartered in, or otherwise a part of Israel.

00:21:24 And so many people are just pointing out, this just seems hypocritical.

00:21:28 Trump ran on, make America great again.

00:21:31 And so that's the backlash, that's the headline, that's the news.

00:21:34 This is, of course, it's numerous examples from this administration of clear favoritism

00:21:40 for one country the speaker of the house i mean he just closed down the house they went into recess

00:21:45 and his first stop was the wailing wall to throw on a hat and deliver a speech a lot of people are

00:21:50 fed up with it i'm i don't think black pill would be the necessary the right word but i think the

00:21:56 tide is turning quicker than a lot of people think i'm going to hand it to antonio to kind of maybe

00:21:59 open with the other side i think the tide is turning quick and what we have actually is a

00:22:04 crisis potentially on the right wing we've talked before about there's republican and there's

00:22:08 conservative. And then there's kind of what is actually America first. There's Christian

00:22:12 nationalism. And there's a rift that's coming, I think, quicker than anybody knows. And even six

00:22:18 months ago, we were looking at a different story. But what we're looking at now as these things pile

00:22:22 up is a generational shifting paradigm, in my opinion. Yeah. I'm going to pass it over to

00:22:27 Antonio, though. Kind of lay out maybe what you would, I don't know if you would counter or you

00:22:31 would differ how you take this news. Well, I'll just say two things at the outset. I think by

00:22:35 disposition i have an eternal white pill and so i'm prone to seeing the optimism um despite you

00:22:42 know many things that would suggest i'm eating crow at the moment so i'll say that i'll also say

00:22:47 that you know on on its face i disagree with this kind of resolution i disagree with um you know

00:22:53 obviously as west indicated spelling out a specific country um and as a consequence turning

00:22:58 about turning down, you know, much needed funds from city American cities, American citizens who

00:23:05 would need that. But but all that to say, you know, as you talk about trust the plan, should I trust

00:23:10 the plan? Well, in order to answer that question, we have to know what the plan was in the first

00:23:15 place. What did we elect Trump to do? What did we elect him in 2016 to do? What did we elect him in

00:23:20 2024 to do? Make Israel great again. Right. No, but like we certainly didn't we didn't elect Trump

00:23:26 to sever a relationship with Israel.

00:23:29 I thought we'd like to make sure 1.00

00:23:30 that Bibby got free laundry service 1.00

00:23:33 at the White House.

00:23:35 I think that was earmarked

00:23:39 in the, yep, at the ballot box.

00:23:42 Yeah, yeah.

00:23:43 But no, I think more specifically,

00:23:45 it's like we can't,

00:23:47 obviously we have a duty as constituents

00:23:48 who disagree with acts that Trump does

00:23:51 to voice that disagreement.

00:23:53 I'm not saying we're yes men.

00:23:54 I'm not saying we're – I think particularly as sort of a Christian movement, we ought to call balls and strikes with respect to what Trump does.

00:24:03 But all that to say that Trump has done a lot of the things that he promised to do.

00:24:11 You have to remember, we – or you should say he's in the process of doing things he promised to do.

00:24:15 He never promised to settle relationships with Israel.

00:24:18 He promised to close the border. He promised to get more funding for DHS, more funding for Border Patrol. He promised to push back culturally against the onslaught from the left as it relates to transgenderism and LGBTQ and all of these things. He promised to push back against those things.

00:24:37 And so if we hold them, if we hold the plan to be what Trump promised, then I still think we have to say, hey, look, Trump, you totally missed the ball on this one.

00:24:47 But but you have done and I will give you credit for what you have done.

00:24:51 And that is what you promised to do.

00:24:53 And so that's that's really the point I'm making in the position that I'm taking.

00:24:56 It's not that necessarily I'm just like turning a blind eye, if you will, to to this kind of stuff. 0.96

00:25:02 This stuff's silly.

00:25:02 the the only other thing i'll say is like you have to think about this from the perspective 0.94

00:25:07 of the administration when trump is this cudgel that he's using with respect to fema funding

00:25:12 he's not he doesn't even have his own base in mind like he's not his conception of people that

00:25:18 this will hurt or people that this is targeting is not is not you know republican right-wing 1.00

00:25:23 christian uh people it's it's it's not us it's purple-haired feminists in minneapolis who are 1.00

00:25:30 saying, hey, let's, we love the WHO. We love the World Health Organization. We love universal human 1.00

00:25:36 rights organizations. And we want to defund Israel as a consequence. And Trump is saying, look, I'm a 1.00

00:25:42 pragmatist. I won't pass on the opportunity to punch my enemy. And he says, now he goes into his

00:25:47 cabinet meetings and he says, what can we do? And he hears, oh, well, sir, you have all sorts of

00:25:52 things at your disposal. In fact, you have FEMA funding. How about you use this to punish them?

00:25:56 It's similar to what Trump did with the universities he sees at Columbia and sees at Harvard, all of these anti-Israel stances from from left wing communist, you know, elements in the student body and says, let's punish these universities for allowing this to happen.

00:26:11 now while i disagree on the merits i actually these are the tactics that we elected trump

00:26:15 uh to sort of act out and and in this case we disagree with it but like he's used these same

00:26:22 tactics to help us in fact going back to what west said like he's used fema funding to uh force

00:26:27 sanctuary cities to deport people right so you brought i i think it's a fair point but my response

00:26:33 as we were you know kind of workshopping this episode before going live was i said um i get

00:26:39 that but why why can't we do it on the basis of america make america the determining factor make

00:26:45 america the moral universal standard so in other words um you know like it's you know like the the

00:26:52 meme was let them fight you know like like you're not rooting for godzilla you're not rooting for

00:26:56 king kong or you know whatever it is um you're like let them fight and let them destroy each

00:27:01 other well that's how i felt with the whole university you know palestine kind of thing it's 0.88

00:27:04 like on the one hand you know you've got like 300 pound you know blue-haired feminists you know

00:27:09 screeching for palestine and on the other hand you know you've got these um marxist universities

00:27:15 and i'm like you know so it's like you know who are you rooting for joel and i'm like

00:27:19 i didn't like either side they're both bolsheviks like which bolshevik do you prefer like neither

00:27:26 neither uh the universities are bolsheviks right and all all these other people scream for palestine 0.99

00:27:32 they're you know useful idiot uh bolsheviks but it's you know it's just um two sides of 0.98

00:27:39 the same coin so i'm not rooting for either i guess my point is um 0.99

00:27:43 like trump wanting to punish these universities like harvard great but don't punish them for

00:27:50 being anti-semitic and and not loving israel here's here's a novel idea what what if you

00:27:56 could come up with some kind of way some means some mechanism for punishing them not for being

00:28:03 anti-israel but for being anti-america american i know it's crazy hear me out let me cook

00:28:09 what if you could punish universities in america for being against america what about that so the

00:28:18 and these blue liberal states what if you could punish the same states because you're right

00:28:22 effectively that's probably the way that the chips will fall is it'll be the blue liberal

00:28:27 progressive states that get penalized but what if you could penalize them publicly and make it clear

00:28:33 that the reason the mechanism for them being penalized is because they are traitorous anti-american

00:28:39 states rather than anti-israel right to steelman antonio's point what he's essentially saying is

00:28:46 that trump is utilizing the friend enemy distinction so he's looking over at columbia

00:28:50 and he's looking at Harvard, where they foment leftist activism.

00:28:53 And Trump is saying, these are political enemies.

00:28:56 These are people that are pumping out graduates, that are going to think tanks,

00:28:59 they're going into politics, they're bringing their leftist ideology with them.

00:29:02 That leftist ideology, I view, is having a negative effect on America.

00:29:05 So what tool can I wield against my political enemy

00:29:08 that won't at the same time hit my political friends?

00:29:11 So the friends would be the me and you.

00:29:13 We would be the Americans.

00:29:15 We work hard.

00:29:15 We're law-abiding.

00:29:17 We're not just recent immigrants who came over the fence.

00:29:19 So Trump's saying, hey, my enemies over here are a bunch of leftists, hold up in sanctuary cities, hold up in California, hold up on leftist college campuses.

00:29:27 And this is just kind of, Antonio, I think you described it earlier as, this is the tool I'm going to use.

00:29:31 So it's not this ideological attachment to the tool or anti-Semitism as this terrible thing.

00:29:37 I don't care who it hits, but I want to use it because I can direct it.

00:29:40 If you can think of the Death Star, I can direct it at my enemies.

00:29:44 As a pastor, let me get a little biblical example in here real quick.

00:29:47 I can't help myself, but I think of Daniel. And there were counselors to the king, magi,

00:29:55 that were surrounding him in the king's courts, men of high stature who had the king's ear and

00:30:02 who hated and despised Daniel. Now, the king actually liked Daniel, right? Friend, enemy

00:30:07 distinction. Daniel was friend of the king. But these guys who were enemies of Daniel, they come

00:30:14 into the king and and they puff him up with himself you know what king um for 30 days let

00:30:21 there be an edict that no one is to pray or petition right so this wouldn't just include

00:30:27 you know the the polytheist you know who are worshiping gods it's not just religion but this

00:30:32 would be even the atheist the agnostic would have been included and i don't think there really were

00:30:37 atheists but just hypothetically theoretically the atheist this is my point is it's a universal

00:30:42 edict that sweeps the whole board, the whole gambit is caught up in this. So even if somebody

00:30:48 wasn't religious and didn't believe there were any gods, the edict was you could not pray to any god

00:30:53 or petition any man, both sides, except for you, O king, for 30 days. So for 30 days, no prayer,

00:31:01 right? Just 30 days to stop the spread. So 30 days of no prayer and no petitioning any man,

00:31:08 any person except for you oh king and here's a king who his friend is daniel he loves daniel

00:31:18 but in that moment these wicked guys who hate daniel are are getting tricksy with the king

00:31:25 and they're not coming directly and saying hey king you should do something bad to daniel right

00:31:31 because then he'd say no daniel's my friend instead they're saying hey king you should do

00:31:34 something good for yourself you should you should just make much of you and they're doing it in a

00:31:40 roundabout indirect way to where the king actually signs off with his signet ring signs off on this

00:31:46 edict and then immediately regrets it when he realizes oh no i didn't think about it i forgot

00:31:52 that this edict affects my friends daniel will be affected by this edict because daniel's not

00:31:59 going to stop praying i forgot daniel is a righteous man daniel is a hebrew daniel he prays

00:32:05 three times every day with the windows open to heaven like and i just sealed the doom of my own

00:32:11 friend and and so my point is yeah trump may be playing 40 chess but if that's the case then he

00:32:17 needs to start playing you know 5d chess because he's not if he's cooking he's not cooking hot

00:32:23 enough um because he's burning the kitchen down or he's yeah or he's cooking too hot you know one

00:32:28 or the other because here's the deal if you're looking for ways mechanisms right if the end is

00:32:33 i want to crush my enemies and the enemies are the blue-haired leftists um fine uh but the mechanism

00:32:40 that you're employing this mechanism is not going to just crush your enemies it's going to crush all 0.73

00:32:46 the daniels in your kingdom it's going to crush all the faithful all your friends your friends 0.72

00:32:52 are going to get caught up in this as well and you might sit there and say well yeah but ultimately

00:32:57 i get you know as king right i get to decide you know who the edict actually you know actually

00:33:02 um goes into effect for and and then i can you know okay maybe but you're playing with fire and

00:33:10 and you're bargaining and the chips that you're wagering are good americans salt of the earth

00:33:16 christians the people who put you in office mr president are the ones that you are putting at

00:33:23 risk on this particular wager and i would say too my counter to that so antonio that's a great point

00:33:29 like well hey this is friend enemy we're leveling at the enemy but honestly we're getting closer and 0.98

00:33:33 closer and we saw with epstein trump attacking his own base as stupid for fixating it so if you 0.97

00:33:39 could imagine like you have a you have a you're on one side trench warfare the enemies on the other 0.99

00:33:43 and in between you have us the allies and at first all this gunfire is coming our way and it's like

00:33:47 no no hold on that's to the enemy that's behind us in the trench that's who they're taking out

00:33:51 But I think what's happening, and I'll show this graph and maybe we end this segment here, Trump's support.

00:33:56 You can imagine like the trench, like people are kind of trying to evacuate, the bullets are getting closer.

00:34:01 And for a second, it kind of feels like we're in the crossfire.

00:34:04 Look at this approval of Donald Trump and his second term in his job performance, specifically 18 to 29-year-olds.

00:34:10 So this is from January 20th when he's elected, when he inaugurates, goes in office, I'm sorry, to June 15th.

00:34:17 Among 18 to 29-year-olds, it cratered 44 points.

00:34:20 I think that's the decline so you have all these guys in the middle and it's like well Trump's he's

00:34:25 going after the left and he's going after the Gavin Newsom's and he's going after the sanctuary

00:34:28 cities well somewhere in that process he was just booed at a WWE wrestling event now WWE is not the

00:34:35 most right-coded event I'll give you that but I mean a populist president who is cheered on at UFC

00:34:40 he would enter with Tucker Carlson and Dana White they're now booing him at WWE his support is

00:34:45 creating among the young people and i think millions and millions of americans are like

00:34:50 hang on we're the ones that supported you we're the ones that are putting you in office

00:34:53 but it turns out it's looking like the friend enemy distinction we're falling on the enemy side

00:34:58 and it's over this israel thing antonio you got a final thought before we go to commercial

00:35:03 no i i would say uh i'll you know that i think the daniel example is an apt analogy and i i think

00:35:10 it's actually a white pill i think god delivers daniel and king darius recognizes that uh he had

00:35:15 done something wrong, evil. But all this to say, no, I think this is absolutely right. I think

00:35:21 this is something we ought to hold Trump on. We ought to be loud and vocal about. I think at the

00:35:25 end of the day, Trump is a populist and he's going to respond to the squeaky wheel, so to speak.

00:35:29 That's the wheel that's going to get the oil. And so we should be cognizant of like, this is really

00:35:36 only growing in the last couple of years in terms of the widespread mainstream critiques on the

00:35:42 right if not 18 months yeah years give it months that this has happened so we've got to give it a

00:35:47 little bit of time for trump to hear hear the tune yeah and get and understand what's happening

00:35:52 that's true at the end of the day he's a populist he cares about his legacy um and he's not he's

00:35:57 going to go out swing to the to the end and so uh i'm still optimistic i think we've we've held

00:36:02 them to account before on covid for example i think trump's covid policies in 2020 particularly

00:36:07 And he did eventually drop that rhetoric for the longest time.

00:36:10 My warp speed, you know, warp speed.

00:36:13 And then eventually he was like.

00:36:14 He got booed so many times.

00:36:15 He's like, I can't do it anymore.

00:36:16 I can't even say it anymore.

00:36:17 Yep.

00:36:18 And so I think that's a good example of what we ought to do, which is say, hey, you were

00:36:21 wrong on this.

00:36:22 What you had recommended with respect to government spending through COVID and lockdown, so on

00:36:28 and so forth.

00:36:28 All of this was wrong.

00:36:29 And now, of course, Trump being Trump isn't going to come out directly and apologize.

00:36:32 but you'll hear him start to shift his tune a little bit and shift his focus and priorities

00:36:38 and so this is one thing that i think we we went on this issue um and uh we continue to push on

00:36:43 him but we recognize that not all hope is lost we still have a fighter in the ring okay well said

00:36:49 um definitely we should pray that way um and uh god can do anything he can change anyone's heart

00:36:55 even guiding the heart of the king like waters um so we're hopeful we're prayerful um but we also

00:37:02 at the same time don't want to be naive and we want to call a spade a spade and hoping that by

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00:42:53 well over the weekend i don't know about you guys but i was feeling a bit of a sense of missing out

00:43:00 So, El Salvador, you may remember, just as of about, I think it's just six years ago,

00:43:04 they were one of the most dangerous places in the world to live.

00:43:06 They did not have a flourishing economy.

00:43:07 It was terrible.

00:43:08 It was run by gangs.

00:43:10 And in a matter of literally the six years since his first election into office,

00:43:14 Nayib Bukele is his name, the president.

00:43:16 For one, he's one of the most popular presidents in the world.

00:43:18 His approval rating is north of 90%.

00:43:20 He is an authoritarian without question.

00:43:23 And over the weekend, the, I believe it was parliament,

00:43:26 basically approved a constitutional amendment to where he can stay in office indefinitely.

00:43:31 The term limits are up to six years, and where there previously existed a limit

00:43:34 that at a certain point he just couldn't run for re-election, that's been removed.

00:43:38 And I want to tie that into a larger trend that I think is happening,

00:43:41 which is, and we've said this before, we're returning in many ways to nature and to tradition.

00:43:46 So what you see in El Salvador, he may not wear the title,

00:43:49 but he is, President Bukele, he is king.

00:43:52 That's what he is.

00:43:53 And what's fascinating is he's king, and it's like,

00:43:55 and the people hate it and they despise him and they groan under his rule. No, they love him and

00:44:01 adore him. And as long as he seeks that office, he will continue to be elected to it. And there

00:44:06 was a little bit of a sense in 2024, kind of setting the stage, what we're going to talk

00:44:09 about in this segment is the path ahead. What are we looking at for the next three years and

00:44:13 especially come 2028? But as there's this return to tradition, I think in 2024, there was a

00:44:19 temptation to maybe think, well, and this is it. We're about to get our king. We're about to get

00:44:23 our monarch our emperor and he's going to come in and he's going to save the nation but what we've

00:44:28 said again and again and i think it rings true and it's worth repeating trump was always going

00:44:33 to be the precursor the staging ground the cyrus the one who sets the stage for i think the real

00:44:40 actual america first nationalist christian nationalist i think that's actually the movement

00:44:46 to come and what we're witnessing is not it being realized the golden age of america no what we're

00:44:51 witnessing is actually setting the stage for the possibility of that to emerge what do you guys

00:44:56 think about that agreed 100 i've always thought that trump is not the savior and for the record

00:45:01 of course no man is the savior but the god man christ jesus himself um so we don't think any

00:45:07 politician political figure is the savior in the ultimate sense but you know what i mean um trump

00:45:13 is is not going to be the guy who politically solves all of our problems has he done good yes

00:45:20 like if kamala had been elected uh the amount of um the amount of immigrants that we would have had

00:45:27 in the like that we had during four years of biden and we would have had over four more years

00:45:32 are we getting mass deportations uh it doesn't feel like it uh we aren't uh thus far will we

00:45:38 get them in the next you know three and a half years i don't know um i i think and i hope so

00:45:42 for the record yeah we're all hoping we're all praying uh but as it currently stands if i had

00:45:46 to bet i'd say yeah okay maybe four to six million deported uh and not the you know 24 to 36 million

00:45:53 that we need uh that said um the borders closed and that's massive uh that is absolutely massive

00:46:01 i think it's i saw the first time in 50 years yeah um that we've had um more people leave the

00:46:08 country than come into the country the first time in 50 years which just shows you how all of our

00:46:14 politicians have literally been traitors and trying to destroy um our our country and and

00:46:21 its citizens and so um so trump has done good that is good uh but will he fix you know uh you

00:46:28 know right every wrong and fix every problem no um and and it's not just well nobody will but jesus

00:46:34 um yeah in the ultimate salvific spiritual sense nobody will but jesus uh but you actually can uh

00:46:40 see through sinful, imperfect men like Bukele, some massive political, national, civil changes 0.86

00:46:49 that lend towards the native citizens of a particular nation, their flourishing, their 0.74

00:46:54 prosperity, their peace, their joy, their safety, their security, all those things. And I think that

00:47:01 we will eventually get that type of politician. And Trump is not it. So we're super grateful.

00:47:08 but i completely agree with everything that you said wes i think trump was always the precursor

00:47:14 he's not he is not the american caesar he's he's not going to ultimately not fully he gets close

00:47:22 he likes to go and stand you know and look across but he's not going to cross like the saber rattle

00:47:27 at the courts like i'm telling you yeah this is your warning yep and with that he's done a lot

00:47:31 of good and i don't want to take that away from him i'm grateful uh but i don't think he's going

00:47:36 to cross the rubicon but i think he sets the stage for whoever it is who will and when that

00:47:43 guy comes whoever it may be um that that guy and this is what we have to realize because the other

00:47:49 thing you said i think is very insightful he will be a king um because of our american tradition

00:47:55 he will never be called king right we you know formally we will we will still you know uh we

00:48:02 will still soothe ourselves to sleep at night and say no king but christ no king but christ

00:48:07 you know and and you know that's how we'll get to sleep and assuage our consciences

00:48:11 but he will be uh functionally effectively for all intents and purposes kingly and um and that

00:48:18 just like that's what bukele is um he he is uh president in title uh but in many ways king

00:48:27 in function and i am of the persuasion that there is nothing explicit in scripture

00:48:32 that makes a king a an inherent in immorality well i don't think there's anything i'll give

00:48:40 another example someone who holds that title and the people love vladimir putin his approval

00:48:44 rating it i think it's in the high 80s like i mean our congress congress is 10 to 15 approval

00:48:49 trump maybe hovers around 40 to 50 depending on the demographic you have people that like

00:48:54 nine out of ten people in the country are like i like this guy he's doing a good job and it's kind

00:48:59 of it doesn't seem like a coincidence to me that these are some of not all of them and universally

00:49:03 these are the men with rule that rule with an iron fist and funny both of them are claimed to

00:49:07 be christians they've done a lot of damage to uh the western agenda as far as it relates to

00:49:11 expansion of gender rights as far as especially relates to gang violence uh they've destroyed 0.82

00:49:16 that and the people honestly kind of love them for it yeah and real quick in the chat uh leonard

00:49:22 he said i thought it was well said i've seen guys say this before but um lest we forget one of the

00:49:27 titles for christ himself is king of kings right so that the earth will have kings um and that's

00:49:36 not can you know inherently condemned um the idea is that for a christian nation and my prayer and

00:49:43 hope and i work towards our nation being a christian nation us being a christian nation

00:49:48 doesn't mean that we won't have anybody who functions as a king what it means is that um

00:49:52 for us to be christian is we may actually have someone who functions as a king

00:49:56 but there will be a king above him there will be a king of kings and that king of kings is jesus

00:50:02 antonio you're gonna say something well i would just say you know and i i want the record to

00:50:09 state that i am a self very self-aware of the uh white pill uh gaze that i have here so with that

00:50:16 said, I think we have to, going back to Bukele and you contrast him with Trump, he is dealing

00:50:25 with a significantly less politically and socially complex issue in El Salvador versus

00:50:32 what Trump is dealing with in America. You think about where America was headed in 2015

00:50:37 and where we are now and where the momentum shift is. Trump has done something that people

00:50:45 truly could not fathom 10 years ago and and and uh i think we have to give him that credit if he

00:50:51 was in el salvador i think i think virtually the same thing would have occurred yeah in terms of

00:50:58 where he was trying to drive our but of course there we live in a country with 50 states and we

00:51:03 were spread three 3,500 miles um and in geography and we have uh so many different ethnicities and

00:51:10 And it's a very politically rank situation for Trump.

00:51:15 And all of that said, I think there's still been some massive wins that we just have to

00:51:19 recognize.

00:51:20 I'm with you in the sense that Trump is not the guy.

00:51:24 And my conception, Trump was never the guy.

00:51:26 But I do think he will be someone that is kind of a litmus test going forward.

00:51:34 So in other words, in 2028, the Republican candidate, I think you're going to have two

00:51:37 competing visions, one pro-Israel, one anti-Israel, one truly America first, and then one kind of 0.58

00:51:44 America slash Israel first. And I think both of them are going to compete for, you could say, 0.74

00:51:50 the succession of Trump. Both are going to say, in a similar fashion as you think of Caesar and

00:51:57 the emperors that followed in the Roman Empire, all saying, I am the most like Caesar. I am the

00:52:05 continuation of caesar i think there's going to be for for many uh many election cycles after trump

00:52:11 in the republican party there's going to be that competition to say that this guy who turned

00:52:15 everything around he was the beginning he was the 180 from this post-modern liberal uh agenda

00:52:22 into something that's truly traditional truly in alignment with uh american values he was the guy

00:52:28 who started it and i am going to finish it and i think that will be the claim for many years to

00:52:33 come so i do so all that to say i'm with you i don't think trump's the guy but i certainly think

00:52:38 that the guy will claim trump yeah it'll be kind of like at least 2.0 he probably will i think

00:52:46 you're right he'll probably claim trump just you know unapologetically um he'll probably the next

00:52:53 the next guy the 2028 guy will probably be a trump you know sycophant but um i think eventually what

00:52:59 you'll have is a guy who uh doesn't claim trump but um but acknowledges trump you know so like

00:53:06 even like a guy like nick fuentes still he didn't vote for trump he encouraged others not to vote

00:53:10 for trump he wasn't saying vote for kamala but he said you know don't vote for trump kind of similar

00:53:14 to you know the the same you know type of argument that the abolitionists were making during the

00:53:20 election um nick fuentes abolitionist boom um you know on on that particular issue ironic a bit but

00:53:27 um but they did hold the same position with hold your vote um that said even is against trump as

00:53:35 you know nick has been he's still still to this day is regularly acknowledging um trump inspired

00:53:41 all this trump inspired me you know him speaking of himself trump is the precursor trump was the

00:53:48 um the you know what ignited uh the fire so he still gives trump credit as like trump started

00:53:54 of this uh but he's he's not gonna finish it and that's the shot across the bow of a liberal order

00:53:59 like this canon that rings out and it's like what was that yeah yeah no i was just gonna say like uh

00:54:04 i can respect that position but it's like guys we're foolish if we like look at the way where

00:54:10 we are today um with respect to rhetoric even just think about vibes think about rhetoric and how we 0.53

00:54:15 can talk we can say the word retard i mean like all this was not a given yeah this was truly not 0.61

00:54:22 a given five years ago and uh and there's one man that has been at the helm of saying hey we're

00:54:27 going to be able to say this thing and i'm going to take a lot of flack for it now i look i haven't

00:54:31 again i haven't drank the kool-aid i don't think uh you know trump like you said joel is a savior

00:54:37 with any uh you know in any you know shape or form but i do recognize that we've seen a massive

00:54:45 turnaround and then there's been a guy at the at the the fore of it so um i love this quote i've

00:54:51 brought it up in the show before but this quote from robert e lee that's so good it says uh the

00:54:55 march of providence is so slow and our desire so impatient the work of progress is so immense and

00:55:00 our means of aiding it so feeble the life of humanity is so long and that of the individual

00:55:05 so brief that we often see only the ebb of the advancing wave and are thus discouraged it is

00:55:10 history that teaches us to hope what if the last i mean since you could go back multiple world

00:55:15 World Wars, honestly, to the Civil War. L, L, L, losing just the American Christian hegemony

00:55:23 that we had. But what if that's the receding wave for people to realize, hold on, this thing that 0.71

00:55:27 we started, it seemed like, well, of course, they would set up a flourishing society that would do

00:55:31 well and have a great economy. But what if all of those battles that we went through and all the

00:55:36 losses we had to realize like, oh my goodness, this thing that we created is so precious and

00:55:42 people ruling themselves versus having to have the monarch come in and say you're going to get in

00:55:46 line all of this centuries of a receding wave of difficulty of setbacks before the blessing of

00:55:53 providence and people say what we have we are going to defend it and if possible and honestly

00:55:58 ministries like this books that can be written these can point out don't make this mistake don't

00:56:03 make this mistake we thought like heart cellar was supposed to not change the fabric of america

00:56:07 at all. As it was being written, they're saying, hey, you're worried about this. Guys, this is not

00:56:12 going to change America. We're just going to shift some stuff up with immigration. But we can sound 0.59

00:56:17 a warning for generations, hundreds of years of our four of our descendants, Christian ones, 1.00

00:56:23 hopefully. Hey, we know better than to do that. We know those perils. I think it's Aquinas who 1.00

00:56:28 says that nature will ridicule the invention of men. So the capitalism, oh, we've got this

00:56:35 invention now that it's going to bring peace and it's going to bring prosperity to the world

00:56:39 um and uh by the way we don't need any kind of distinctions anymore as a consequence everyone's

00:56:45 just going to live you know it's all a rising tide's going to lift all boats and it's like well

00:56:48 nature proves that false and i think time and time again we learn through this recursiveness

00:56:53 uh in history about you know nature's you know prominence and uh undeniability and uh and we

00:57:02 can't fight nature now obviously systems and inventions that we've created can be in alignment

00:57:07 with nature and be good for uh for man but uh essentially yeah i agree essentially i think what

00:57:12 both of you are saying is that um it's the ebbs and flows that are inevitable in god's providence

00:57:17 throughout human history that the kingdom advances and it does so progressively but it does so

00:57:23 gradually and it doesn't do it doesn't do it perfectly without any setbacks along the way

00:57:28 So like COVID is a great case study in the micro, and what you guys are describing with the Heart Cellar Act and some of these things would be what we hope and pray and even think will be, even to the level of confidence of predicting, will be a case study in the macro, right?

00:57:44 So COVID, what I mean by that is it kind of took the left seemingly having a temporary total victory, right?

00:57:54 A high watermark in 2020 and 2021 between COVID and St. George Floyd and BLM and all these things.

00:58:01 It kind of took that for us to realize, whoa, never again.

00:58:06 and in some sense it may also likewise take you know 60 years of mass immigration and people you

00:58:16 know america losing its identity and uh and an entire generation not being able to afford

00:58:23 a home and a family for us to realize whoa never again and to get serious and make the changes

00:58:30 necessary what you're kind of referring to is patterns within patterns and smaller shorter

00:58:34 patterns, COVID. Maybe call that a five-year cycle, a five-year rise and then fall. With

00:58:38 wokeness, a 15-year one. With Hart Seller and with the boomer generation, they're passing away 0.58

00:58:43 a 60-year. You could have 250-year cycles. You could call it the French Revolution. Well, hey,

00:58:48 instead of God, instead of the Bible, we have human reason and rationalism. But all of those

00:58:53 converging to come to a moment where kind of at the same time, interestingly, they're all kind

00:58:57 collapsing i mean from 2023 to 2025 young men 18 to 29 moved 44 points to the right 44 points to

00:59:07 the right a fundamental realignment of political politics that you just this didn't happen in 2008

00:59:13 right obama didn't get in there was a a economic crash and disaster and it's like a young man just

00:59:19 shifted by 44 points i don't think this has happened in anybody's lifetime and so then you

00:59:25 pair it up and the boomer generation is passing away and and immigration i mean to be fair like

00:59:30 trump ran on the biggest issue mass deportation and an end to the immigration so it's immigration

00:59:36 all the way back for a lot of us hey we indulged in rationalism and reason put aside god said we

00:59:42 can do the state we can do government we can do that ourselves and wouldn't be amazing if in a

00:59:48 generation we see all of them swept away like rocks at the beach for a real lasting order to

00:59:53 be established it's not all these all these psych historical cycles inflect at the same point and

00:59:58 which has happened in history before and i think those are the times that you think back you know

01:00:02 like uh you could say the american revolution and and i i think these these things uh uh you have

01:00:07 these big big large cycle inflections and uh that those are the points in history that we're most

01:00:14 fond of and i think we've learned the most from and the 250 year mark um that that's a big one um

01:00:22 also the 80 year mark there's a lot like you think of like okay 80 years ago world war ii 80 years

01:00:27 before that civil war 80 years before that you know the war for independence like that seems

01:00:31 right as long as we're noticing it seems like there's a bit of a pattern there and we're 80

01:00:36 years in world war ii i know exactly that's my point and so if i think that you you could argue

01:00:41 you know if you're a student of history that you know there are like macro 250 year cycles

01:00:46 there are smaller 80 year cycles there are smaller smaller 40 year cycles 40 and then 12 year cycles

01:00:52 and then like four year cycles and we've just kind of been talking about the four year cycle for the

01:00:57 past few what two three four decades right you know like uh and it's and it's kind of like the

01:01:02 ping pong ball just bouncing back and forth you know republicans democrats republicans democrats

01:01:07 and they're both you know just two sides of the same coin but meanwhile what i think we can miss

01:01:12 if we don't really, really pan out,

01:01:13 which is hard to do as finite creatures

01:01:16 in just one generation.

01:01:17 But meanwhile, the ping pong ball

01:01:19 has been going back and forth,

01:01:22 crossing the span of about an inch, right?

01:01:24 An inch to the right, inch to the left, inch to the right.

01:01:27 But then this whole ping pong game

01:01:30 is also its own ping pong larger ball

01:01:33 that is in a bigger frame that it's also been going

01:01:36 and it's just been moving.

01:01:38 So it's like, we're moving left for four years

01:01:40 and then we're moving right for four years.

01:01:41 meanwhile that whole thing has also been moving left for 40 years and then is about to and then

01:01:46 that whole thing you know in an 80 year cycle and a 250 year cycle and it could just you know kind

01:01:52 of like a like some kind of like uh i don't even know the i'm i don't know the word of like when

01:01:57 when this planet on its cycle lines up with this other one on this longer cycle and it's like it

01:02:03 only happens once every you know bajillion years you know that like saturn and venus and this and

01:02:09 we could politically see something like that happen in our lifetime something that people

01:02:15 typically have to wait centuries for yeah um could actually have occur in our lifetime it's

01:02:23 not unthinkable and so i think it's it's foolish and i'll also go ahead and say it a little bit

01:02:28 stronger i think it is explicitly unchristian no matter what generation you live in um to not

01:02:34 have hope right we're christians we hope the lord can win by many he can win by few and we don't

01:02:40 know when he will bring about the victory right it's not by might nor by power nor by our sacred

01:02:46 democracy or elections but by my spirit says the lord and we don't know when he can we know he can

01:02:51 do it we don't know when he will do it so i think we should always be hopeful that maybe he'll do it

01:02:56 soon maybe he'll do it now maybe he'll do it with us and so we're always hopeful and at the same

01:03:01 time um hope hope can become a euphemism for foolishness or madness hope can be a euphemism

01:03:09 for madness and wisdom can be a euphemism for fear i'm just being wise no you're being afraid

01:03:14 you're being a coward you're not you're not hedging your bets in wisdom you're hedging your

01:03:18 bets in fear so so don't don't say well i'm just um i'm i i i just don't want a white pill i'm not 0.92

01:03:24 black pilled you know i'm just hedging my bets like don't don't do either like don't don't do

01:03:29 either. Don't say you're being wise, but really you're being cowardly. And don't say, I'm just 0.99

01:03:34 being hopeful, but really you're being naive. You're being insane. You're being foolish. And 0.99

01:03:40 so we're doing our best, by the grace of God, to fall into neither ditch on either side of the road

01:03:45 and say, no, God really could change everything, and he could do it in our lifetime. And also,

01:03:51 if he doesn't, right now, things are not headed in a great direction. Things are really, really,

01:03:58 really rough and and every election cycle uh we are simply choosing between the lesser of two evils

01:04:05 and and the lesser portion is like a freckle in a hair right so 10 taxes versus 12 yeah we've got

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01:06:48 So here's going to be the big referendum.

01:06:50 This is the thing to put a pin in, put a reminder in your calendar.

01:06:53 2028, and here's kind of the risk.

01:06:55 The left is rebranding, right?

01:06:57 So the left is going to have to say, hang on, we took the woke thing a little bit too 0.99

01:07:00 far, 300 pound women in Calvin Klein, the populace, just they weren't ready for that. 1.00

01:07:05 That would take too much USAID money. 0.94

01:07:07 So the left is rebranding, see Gavin Newsom moving to a more moderate position.

01:07:10 Here's the risk, and people need to be aware of this.

01:07:12 The potential is that specifically in primary elections and some of it in the general, but

01:07:18 you're going to have MAGA, but we may see the actual true America first for the lack

01:07:22 of a better term.

01:07:23 We may sell you some of these candidates for the first time that you'd be able to go and

01:07:26 You'd be able to vote for a Christian man who actually really does represent your values.

01:07:30 You could say like, yeah, I really like this guy.

01:07:32 I like everything, practically everything he has to say.

01:07:35 He's good on life.

01:07:36 He's good on men and women.

01:07:37 He's good on faith.

01:07:38 And he's good on saying America should be for Americans.

01:07:41 Now, the risk is, and this has typically happened in the past, when a party is kind of split.

01:07:45 This happened to the left in 2024.

01:07:47 When a party is split between its wing that's kind of moving and has the youth and the energy

01:07:51 that was left with kind of wokeness 2020, 2024, and kind of an establishment.

01:07:55 I mean, I think of the neocons, a lot of them like Nikki Haley, Mark Levin and others, they folded under MAGA.

01:08:01 You're going to kind of have a MAGA neocon assembly.

01:08:04 Probably J.D. Vance is going to be the forerunner for that.

01:08:07 And then you might have, and hopefully it's not third party, but it possibly could be another candidate that says both of these, as we've been saying, they're two sides of the same coin.

01:08:15 So be watching in 2026, 2028.

01:08:18 We're going to see if we have political legs.

01:08:20 If candidates can get out there, they can have a message.

01:08:23 Just, you know, friendly word of advice.

01:08:25 If you're running for city council, don't make Israel the center state of your campaign.

01:08:29 Our guys have to be smart. 0.99

01:08:30 Israel does not matter as much for that. 0.98

01:08:32 Now, after you get in office, you can perhaps be clear and upfront. 0.99

01:08:35 You could take on.

01:08:36 In Texas, for example, the governor is trying to strip funding away from cities that boycott

01:08:41 Israel.

01:08:41 So maybe after you get in office, that's the time to talk about it.

01:08:44 But our guys need to run smart campaigns.

01:08:46 And we need to see if some people can make it into Congress, especially the Senate, governorships

01:08:50 that are saying, hey, you know, here's all these things that are real practical improvements.

01:08:55 for people that live in Oklahoma, people that live in Texas. And I think unlike the prevailing

01:08:59 doctrine for the last 30 years, Israel doesn't offer much of us, much advantage to us as a

01:09:05 strategic ally. So that's what I see coming up in the next three years. The risk for sure of 0.60

01:09:10 splitting the vote, the risk of people walking out. I'll be honest with you, it's going to be

01:09:15 hard to plug my nose and vote for Greg Abbott or Ted Cruz again. Don't know if I can do it. So

01:09:19 there's some risk of people walking out. There's risk of splitting the vote. But imagine three

01:09:24 more years of this it's been six months about eight since trump was inaugurated and this is

01:09:29 how far we've come i think we've got a long way to go yeah i think that's i think that's astute

01:09:34 uh i i would just say uh to the to the point about what will make the issue in 2028 i think this

01:09:41 question of america first and how it's defined whether it's you know israel's incorporated into

01:09:45 that as a sort of you know a footnote or not i think that will be the issue now there was a time

01:09:51 where I think it was appropriate, I talked about where we were in 2015 and how far we've come.

01:09:56 I think there was a point in which this wasn't the issue that you went on. And there was some

01:10:00 horse trading that had to be done. You had the Israel lobby and you had other things that were

01:10:04 more pressing. For example, not transing children. That were the issues that you wanted to win on. 0.87

01:10:10 But I do think there's legitimate political momentum now behind a true America first policy,

01:10:15 both internally and with respect to foreign policy.

01:10:19 And so with that momentum,

01:10:21 this is not the time to compromise.

01:10:22 This is the time to run on the issue

01:10:24 and say that I represent,

01:10:26 whether I be a state senator or I'm a US senator,

01:10:30 I represent the American people and the American people only.

01:10:33 This is being transparent

01:10:35 about who you're taking political donations from,

01:10:37 i.e. not AIPAC, not any foreign asset register,

01:10:42 so on and so forth.

01:10:43 It's quickly becoming, getting to the point where unless APAC gives you a million dollars, people aren't going to take it because it would be like a thousand bucks from APAC is more of a liability than it.

01:10:53 Correct.

01:10:54 Yeah.

01:10:54 And you did that, you patriots out there.

01:10:56 Yeah.

01:10:56 That's the credit. 0.79

01:10:57 That's constituents do that. 1.00

01:10:58 Make them toxic.

01:11:00 Yeah, exactly.

01:11:00 So all that to say, I agree.

01:11:02 I agree with your points in terms of the wisdom of where the momentum is going politically. 0.61

01:11:07 And I think in 2028, I like that framing of you'll have the new neocon.

01:11:12 This will be the APAC-backed faction of the Republican Party, and then you'll have this

01:11:17 more dissident. But I think it will be, by that time, three years to go, I think it will be a

01:11:22 meaningful constituency within the Republican Party tent. Of course, we'll find ourselves in

01:11:28 that part of the tent. And I think we'll have our own candidate. We'll have our dark horse.

01:11:33 And I think we have a good shot if we continue to push here.

01:11:36 so yep all right let's uh let's go ahead and round out the episode by looking at the super chats one

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01:12:39 All right, we've got a couple super chats.

01:12:41 This is from CNRB1689.

01:12:45 All right, so both of them are from this individual.

01:12:48 One is $49.99.

01:12:51 So he gave us 50 bucks and there's no comment there.

01:12:53 He was just being generous and kind.

01:12:55 We appreciate that.

01:12:56 Can I stick a stab at the acronym?

01:12:56 Very much.

01:12:57 Christian Nationalist, Reformed Baptist, 1689.

01:13:00 God bless. 1.00

01:13:01 That seems like a safe bet.

01:13:03 Yep.

01:13:04 You have our support.

01:13:05 And then he, boom, he came right back in.

01:13:08 This time he has a question, but it's another $49.99, another $50.

01:13:13 So $100 from CNRB1689.

01:13:16 We just want to say thank you very much for your generosity and support.

01:13:20 Here's his question.

01:13:21 Pastor Joel, would you lead Right Response Ministries to establish a covenantal, confessional, reformed, patriarchal, Christian town in Texas for agrarian tech, multi-generational families living fully under King Jesus as a nation-building blueprint?

01:13:40 It's a great question.

01:13:42 That is quite a commitment.

01:13:44 I would have to give it some serious prayer and serious thought.

01:13:47 In the meantime, it's a worthy endeavor.

01:13:49 um i i appreciate uh the thought and you putting it on here and giving it as a super chat we

01:13:56 appreciate that uh in the meantime what we're trying to do is so no we have not purchased you

01:14:00 know 500 acres of land and we're not you know building a community center and establishing a

01:14:04 town in the formal official sense uh but in the meantime what we're trying to do is uh we are

01:14:10 trying to get as many like-minded uh you know christians with a spine as possible who are

01:14:17 politically minded culturally minded who are not pietist right they have piety right they care about

01:14:24 personal holiness and obedience to jesus christ but they're not pietist meaning that um they're

01:14:29 not so heavenly bound that they're no earthly good right so they they're actually trying to

01:14:33 live out their faith in every single realm of human life not just the family and the church

01:14:38 but also politically and culturally and all those kinds of things and um in terms of okay well what's

01:14:43 the mechanism, what's the means by which you're trying to accomplish this. As of now, the primary

01:14:48 means that we're trying to accomplish this through is called the local church. It seems to be Jesus'

01:14:55 plan for winning the world, and we haven't given up on it yet. It is slow. It can be trying. It can

01:15:03 be difficult. The church is made up of sinners, myself, and chief, and foremost. And so church

01:15:10 life can be slow life it can be uh difficult and challenging life uh but that's the main thing that

01:15:15 we're doing uh that i do think sets us apart from other podcasts and ministries and media companies

01:15:20 and those kinds of things is that uh yes we have a a fairly large forward-facing public you know

01:15:27 digital footprint uh where we speak um you know far beyond just the local sphere um but everything

01:15:35 we do publicly and nationally none of that is at the expense of what we're trying to do locally

01:15:42 and i think that is the difference is that um when you you know peel under you know the layers

01:15:48 look under the hood of you know the 125 you know thousand youtube subscribers or what we're doing

01:15:54 on x or what we're doing over here what we're doing over there what you will find underneath

01:15:58 all of it is a local body of believers. You'll find a church. And so if you would like to join

01:16:05 what we're currently doing, the best way to do that, if you want to be more than just somebody

01:16:11 in the live chat, or more than just sending a donation or an email or participating in this

01:16:19 or that or the other, or coming to the annual conference, as great as that is, if you really

01:16:25 want to be on the ground, then we do have a church. And we're located in Central Texas. You can

01:16:31 reach out to me if you'd like more information. You could send me an email. But that's the

01:16:37 biggest thing that we're doing right now is we're not starting our own town. And I'm not against

01:16:42 that. I know individuals who are doing that. And I think it can be a worthy endeavor. I think the

01:16:48 verdict is still out and hasn't come back in. We'll see what the Lord does with that, whether

01:16:51 it's successful or not. I think of Ridge Runner, guys who are doing that in Tennessee. So that's

01:16:56 one way to go about it. And it could pan out to be phenomenal. But at minimum, so you could go

01:17:04 all the way, start your own town. But at minimum, Christians have to be a part of a church. And so 0.99

01:17:09 we have a church that is like-minded, that is regularly talking about these kinds of things

01:17:15 and seeking to be faithful in our daily lives.

01:17:18 And so for now, that's CNRB 1689.

01:17:23 That's what we have to offer

01:17:24 is a local church in Central Texas.

01:17:26 And if you ever wanna come and visit,

01:17:28 we would be honored to have you.

01:17:29 All right, do we have any more Super Chats for today?

01:17:33 All right, we are gonna go ahead and cut the stream,

01:17:35 leave it there.

01:17:36 Lord willing, we will see you guys on Wednesday

01:17:38 at 3 p.m. Central Time.

01:17:40 God bless.

01:17:45 Thank you.

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The NXR Podcast - August 04, 2025

THE LIVESTREAM - The United States of Israel

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