The NXR Podcast - THE LIVESTREAM - The United States of Israel

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00:00:30.000 The United States of Israel, or MIGA, make Israel great again.

00:00:36.060 Got what I voted for. 0.97

00:00:38.580 Yeah, it doesn't feel very good.

00:00:42.460 All right, so I want to go ahead and just take you down memory lane for a moment, okay?

00:00:49.060 Back during the election, as Donald Trump is running for president in 2024,

00:00:54.940 we encouraged many who were listening to vote for Trump.

00:01:00.000 So I'm not going to pretend that that didn't happen. Of course that happened. You can go back.

00:01:03.140 That's the internet. The internet is forever. We encourage people, given the lay of the land,

00:01:09.560 Trump versus Kamala, that we thought voting for Trump was the better choice. I still think that.

00:01:17.220 But I also caveated. So we weren't completely blind. I also caveated and added some necessary

00:01:24.160 disclaimers. And I want to start this episode by reminding you of some of the things that we said.

00:01:28.900 So let's go ahead, go down memory lane, play a short clip from 2024.

00:01:34.280 My point is, like, guys are, you know, concerned about Zionism and those kinds of things. 0.54

00:01:37.960 And I'm no fan of Zionism.

00:01:39.600 I get in trouble about it fairly often.

00:01:42.180 But I just, like, I just, you tell me if you think I'm wrong.

00:01:47.120 But I would just say that the lay of the land right now in the year of our Lord, 2024, there is no serious political candidate at the federal level, especially not the presidential level. 0.56

00:01:56.240 that's not going to be um some some form you know uh color or stripe of zionist that's just

00:02:03.900 that's where we're at and so you take the best option that you can and make the political

00:02:08.360 arguments and things change over time so true king well said well said joel thanks joel um

00:02:17.440 yeah that's how i felt at the time and i said explicit explicitly that um i didn't sit there

00:02:24.340 and pretend, oh, yeah, Trump isn't a Zionist. Oh, Trump's never gone to the magical wall and

00:02:30.400 worn the magical hat and kissed the wall and said the magical incantation. Of course he had.

00:02:36.020 I mean, Trump has Jewish grandchildren, right? All these things are publicly known. We know them now

00:02:40.600 and we knew them then. And we said as much then. So that was not the argument. The argument wasn't,

00:02:45.480 hey, you know what? Trump is truly America first with no ties whatsoever to Netanyahu or this,

00:02:52.740 that or the other. No, it was Trump has done in the providence of God, much good. And number one,

00:02:58.940 we want to honor him as best we can and be grateful for those things and prayerful and hopeful that he

00:03:04.360 could do more good. And yet his shortcomings are glaring and we are perfectly aware of them.

00:03:11.340 And given our choices, we think that Trump is the best way to go. Now that said, there was one more

00:03:17.760 thing that I mentioned during the election cycle leading up to Trump's landslide victory, and it

00:03:23.160 was this. I said that yes, even during the election cycle, during the campaign trail, we need to be

00:03:31.620 honest about Trump's shortcomings, especially as Christians, right? Because we are morally

00:03:37.400 obligated to speak the truth. But once he's elected, there is a shift, not in truth, not in

00:03:45.220 principle, but a shift in tactics, a shift in strategy. And I said, and I want to stand by it

00:03:53.080 and hold to it, that if and when Trump was elected, and we thought that he would be,

00:03:58.160 that once he was elected, then the job of the Christian shifts to now we must be calling him

00:04:05.320 to account, right? He's now in the White House. The Kamala potential crisis has been averted. 0.91

00:04:12.860 praise god um if i could go back would you vote for him again yes if i could go back in a time

00:04:18.180 machine i would vote for him again would i vote for him if he somehow you know was given you know

00:04:23.240 the constitution was amended and he was up for uh the potential of a third election well i don't it

00:04:28.540 depends who he's running against if there's somebody better who's actually america first

00:04:33.160 truly america then then no i would not vote for trump again but do i regret given the lay of the

00:04:38.420 land that I voted for him this last time? Absolutely not. But now that he's no longer on

00:04:43.280 the campaign trail, now that he is firmly placed in the White House, he's not running to be

00:04:48.220 president. He is president. I said then, and I'm going to confirm and reaffirm now, that now is

00:04:54.520 the time for Christians to chimp. Now is the time for Christians to speak out and say, Mr. President, 1.00

00:05:02.460 i voted for you i'm praying for you i appreciate you you don't have to be rude you don't have to

00:05:09.160 be disrespectful i appreciate you i'm praying for you but also um we voted for america first

00:05:17.700 not israel first i it's kind of funny i mean it's it's ultimately sad but it's you know

00:05:24.240 you can find a little dark side of humor in this uh trump will go down and be remembered as

00:05:30.400 he's the guy who renamed the Gulf of Mexico to the Gulf of America, right? W's in the chat,

00:05:38.180 boys. Hashtag, we're winning. We're so back. Yeah, but he also might go down as the guy who

00:05:43.440 renamed the country. He renamed the Gulf, the Gulf of America, but he might've renamed the country,

00:05:49.060 the United States of Israel. And we have to sit with that for a second.

00:05:53.720 Now, I'm not saying that Trump is the first Zionist in the White House. I mean, look at the 0.80

00:05:57.900 Bushes, look at the Clintons, look at everybody that we've had for the last 40, 50 years. So I

00:06:02.980 don't want to, I want to say Trump right now is making a mistake. It's an unforced error in my

00:06:08.060 assessment. That said, I don't want to pretend that he's unique. I don't think that's fair.

00:06:11.980 I don't think it's fair to say, man, Trump is uniquely Zionist. And when I look at Washington,

00:06:17.720 DC, I mean, nobody else is a Zionist. It's just him. Yeah, right. Yeah, right. And that was my 0.55

00:06:22.800 whole point. The clip that we just showed you was to say that in the year of our Lord 2024,

00:06:27.500 at the time of his election, there was no non-Zionist options, serious viable candidate

00:06:32.780 running for president of the United States. It wasn't, hey, you could have a Zionist or not a

00:06:37.180 Zionist. No, it was just, which Zionist do you want? And yeah, I pick the Trump Zionist over 0.80

00:06:43.020 the Kamala Zionist. Yes. That said, he is president now. The election is secure. We need 0.98

00:06:49.400 to be looking forward to 2028 and we need to make it plain that this is not going to be the future

00:06:57.080 of our country. This is not, no, we're not doing MIGA. We're not doing the United States of Israel. 0.90

00:07:03.740 Last thing I'll say in this opening, and then we'll get to the show. Last thing is this.

00:07:08.840 There is a difference in an unforced error versus, you know, politically campaigning and playing the

00:07:16.920 game and being a little bit strategic or shrewd, there's a wide gulf of difference between those

00:07:24.280 two, you know, those two options. So I think of, you know, the fight for the unborn, right? This

00:07:32.260 ministry, we are resolute against abortion and not just mitigating abortion or relegating abortion.

00:07:38.460 We want abortion to be abolished. And we believe, my position, is that the only way to abolish

00:07:44.260 abortion is to have equal protection, equal protection, the same protections you would have

00:07:49.460 for the born should be the same protections you have for the unborn. And what that means is just 0.64

00:07:55.200 to break it down, make it real plain so that I'm not mincing words, equal protection means equal

00:07:59.880 penalties. Whatever the legal penalty is for someone who takes a five-year-old child into a

00:08:06.480 back alley and kills them, that should be the penalty for everyone involved in abortion,

00:08:11.000 the husband or the boyfriend or the father or the uncle who might be coercing and the doctor aka the 1.00

00:08:17.480 hitman the person you are paying to kill a human being and the mother yes actually women commit 1.00

00:08:25.760 sin and here's you know you're a misogynist let me prove that i'm not i think so highly of women 1.00

00:08:32.180 that i think that they're actually morally culpable that's how highly i think of women 1.00

00:08:36.860 I actually don't think that they're stupid. I actually do think that a woman is intelligent 1.00

00:08:41.700 enough and morally responsible enough to bear that responsibility for the conscious decision 0.99

00:08:48.200 of murdering her own child in the womb. So yes, I think that she should be punished too.

00:08:53.100 But that was one of the big things on the campaign trail, just to, again, memory lane,

00:08:57.400 go back to 2024, Trump's running for election. And there were many Christians, like-minded

00:09:01.740 Christians who I have relationship with, who I respect, who I appreciate. And a lot of them

00:09:07.260 were saying, do not vote for Trump because he was stepping back, noticeably stepping back in

00:09:13.240 his rhetoric on the issue of the sanctity of life. He seemed to be more comfortable with abortion

00:09:21.440 than he had previously been, not even close to wanting to abolish it. And we knew that wasn't

00:09:26.420 going to happen, but stepping back even more from where he previously was. And so guys were saying,

00:09:31.460 we need to withhold our vote. Don't vote for Trump. And they weren't saying, oh, so therefore

00:09:35.420 vote for Kamala. They were saying, no, just don't vote at all. Of course, Kamala is not qualified,

00:09:39.620 but neither is Trump if he won't take a stand explicitly on the campaign trail for the unborn.

00:09:46.940 Now, here's the deal. Well, Trump hasn't abolished abortion. Trump can't abolish abortion. Can't.

00:09:54.480 It's different saying Trump has not done this positive thing that we want him to do versus

00:09:59.800 saying Trump is committing an unforced error. See, an unforced error is when you're doing a

00:10:07.240 negative thing you don't have to do, right? There's a difference in he's not doing the

00:10:12.440 positive thing I want him to do when a decent argument can be made that his hands are tied

00:10:17.640 and that he doesn't even have the judicial or executive power in order to do that thing you

00:10:22.420 want him to do. So it's different. There's a positive thing I want Trump to do, aka abolishing

00:10:27.380 abortion, and he's not doing it. That's different, especially if he can't do it. That's different

00:10:34.620 than there's this terrible thing that he doesn't even have to do. It's completely unforced error.

00:10:41.060 He doesn't have to do at all, and he's voluntarily going out of his way to do it with no clear

00:10:48.080 incentive, nothing to gain. It's not a tit for tat. It's not a trade. There's literally nothing

00:10:54.540 to gain. There is nothing forcing him to do it. And he's voluntarily committing an unforced error.

00:11:02.100 So what am I referencing? You've probably seen it already. It's been all over social media today.

00:11:06.900 Trump has just come out and said that any city or state that doesn't support Israel

00:11:14.520 will not be eligible for federal funds when it comes to disaster relief. What?

00:11:22.100 you don't have to say that you don't have to say that nobody's making you say that

00:11:28.000 well maybe behind the scenes and the dark echo chambers of you know uh netanyahu you know is

00:11:33.240 okay so so yeah i'm sure somebody wants you to say that israel probably wants you to say that

00:11:38.520 but what does israel have what what can they do us for us what can they give to us there's that

00:11:46.180 that is a completely unforced error so i would say two distinctions from the issue of life

00:11:51.080 and this issue with Israel? One, the timing. There's a difference in someone being shrewd

00:11:57.320 with their rhetoric during a campaign when they need to get elected, okay? Versus they're in the

00:12:04.060 White House, they are secure, and they've already won the election. And then also there's a difference

00:12:09.220 between someone not doing the positive thing you want them to do because they can't versus them

00:12:15.660 doing the negative thing you don't want them to do that they don't have to do. Completely unforced

00:12:21.920 error. Here we are. And so we said, vote for Trump. We're voting for Trump. If your conscience is

00:12:28.320 bound, then follow your conscience. Have a clear conscience before the Lord. But for all those who

00:12:34.520 were open to hear our arguments, we made a positive argument for Christians, despite Trump's rhetoric

00:12:40.640 on life to vote for Donald Trump. We voted for him. We encourage you to do the same. But even

00:12:47.280 when we did that, we gave the disclaimers and saying, there are some problems. And then we also

00:12:53.320 said, the most important disclaimer, once elected, if and once elected, then the tactics, the

00:12:59.760 strategy shifts for the people of God to now respectfully, honorably, but forcefully call him

00:13:07.520 to account. We're not trying to get Trump elected anymore. At this point, he's in the office. What

00:13:13.600 we do now is we hold him accountable. What we do as Christians now is always be chimping. 1.00

00:13:20.120 And if you think, well, that doesn't make any difference, and you're just going to have egg

00:13:23.960 on your face when it turns out that Trump was playing 432 D chess, and he proves all the

00:13:30.820 A-Series. Maybe, maybe. I think people give a little bit more 4-D chess credit to Trump than

00:13:37.520 he necessarily merits. But maybe he comes around, maybe he surprises us. And just to be clear,

00:13:44.180 giving the disclaimers now, that's what we're praying for. That's what we're hoping for. And

00:13:47.920 if that's the case, great, great. And we'll come back out and we'll congratulate President Trump

00:13:53.600 and thank him for his service. But as it sits now, as it sits now, he is committing, I believe,

00:14:00.320 a serious unforced error and plainly saying to the American people that Israel comes first. And so 0.74

00:14:07.040 we should hold him accountable. And for anybody who thinks that it makes you look bad or even

00:14:13.120 more than that, that it's just ineffective, you're wrong. Over Christmas just last year with H-1B

00:14:19.660 visas and Vivek Ramaswamy and Elon Musk, all this language, and the people just lost it.

00:14:28.120 the people, the American people blew up all the social media channels and said, no, no, no, no.

00:14:34.040 And what happened? They listened. That doesn't mean they changed their minds, but our elites,

00:14:40.700 when they realize the people detest what they're doing, our elites backpedaled. They actually

00:14:47.580 change. You actually do have influence. You actually do have power. If enough of us speak

00:14:53.380 out and say, Trump, we love you. We appreciate you. We're praying for you. We voted for you.

00:14:59.220 Please stop this. Do not do this. If enough people come out, Trump will listen. That doesn't

00:15:06.940 mean he changes his mind, but he will listen because here's the thing about Trump. We all

00:15:11.460 know this. Trump is not an ideologue. He doesn't actually have sound convictions. The only convictions

00:15:17.420 that he might have that are actually grounded, steadfast, unwavering would probably have a lot

00:15:22.980 more to do with tariffs or economic policies. But when it comes to some of these moral policies,

00:15:27.880 like the unborn or like relations with a foreign government, right? Having our nation in a 0.90

00:15:33.780 stranglehold, I don't think that Trump is ideologically on either side of the fence.

00:15:39.320 I think Trump just, he's an opportunist. He's a pragmatist. He does whatever he thinks is right.

00:15:44.760 And so because he's not actually rooted in an ideology, in a conviction, he responds to the

00:15:50.800 people. He is, after all, a populist president. And he's been as successful as he's been because

00:15:57.240 he is the kind of president, he is the kind of man who has his ear to the ground, who listens,

00:16:02.460 who hears, who instinctively knows what the people are thinking, knows what they're saying,

00:16:07.160 know what they want. And so we need to make it clear. And he actually is the kind of man who I

00:16:12.260 believe might shift course, change course, turn around. And that's what we're going to be doing

00:16:18.520 in this episode. Tune in now.

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00:17:32.380 as we were preparing for this on the golf cart you know we're talking you know workshopping a little

00:17:36.340 bit getting an idea for today's episode and the two of you um would sharp dispute yeah you were

00:17:43.940 not seeing eye to eye and i appreciate it because for one i think it makes for an interesting

00:17:48.180 engaging episode and so i would just love to hear you guys hash it out and then you know i could

00:17:53.460 come in and tell you why you're both wrong you know very above above it in a very above it all

00:17:58.060 kind of way you know as all reformed ministers do well i'm neither this nor that i'm above it all

00:18:03.420 um i'm not really i don't really like conferences and then a week later like so my conference

00:18:09.180 like so i can do that yeah um but first i think you guys should go at it a little bit well let's

00:18:14.500 set the stage for what is actually going on what spurned this news and when i say people are

00:18:18.440 chimping online people are chimping pretty much everyone is like what in the world are we doing

00:18:23.280 here and specifically what we're relating to as you alluded to in the cold open joel i almost said

00:18:27.460 trump for some reason as you alluded to joel is that a fema document came out and it's referring

00:18:31.800 to about 1.9 billion in emergency disaster preparation funds. We're not talking about

00:18:37.300 relief after the event has happened. So it's not saying your city's drowning too bad. You have to

00:18:41.780 support Israel. We're talking about disaster preparedness. And there's been two big stories 0.99

00:18:45.580 that have really driven this on a lot of people's minds, namely the hurricane in North Carolina

00:18:49.440 and the floods in Texas. Those emphasize how important it is within a matter of hours to be

00:18:54.140 able to respond, to have assets on the ground, to have food, blankets, water, all of that. So you

00:18:59.160 of 1.9 billion dollars that fema has and one thing that they've added to the guidelines they've added

00:19:03.980 a number of different things but it is right now per the trump administration per i think it's uh

00:19:09.440 might be homeland security christy noem as they came out with guidelines and part of those

00:19:12.840 guidelines for one it removed uh none of these states or cities i think states or cities a city

00:19:18.060 is going to have an emergency preparedness department and a state is also going to have

00:19:21.740 one as well if you have smaller states are obviously going to need less bigger states like

00:19:25.420 Texas are going to be more. But neither states nor cities, they can't have diversity, equity,

00:19:29.980 and inclusion offices. And so part of this is going and saying, hey, if you're going to take

00:19:33.260 our funds, you can't be a DEI hotspot. You can't be a sanctuary city. And I'll come right out and

00:19:39.080 say, hey, that's a good thing. But then there's this little throwaway line, not so throwaway,

00:19:43.320 because the internet has a hold of it now. But there's this throwaway line from the guidelines,

00:19:47.040 and I'm going to read it for you here in its entirety. So it's in the anti-discrimination

00:19:51.060 section, section 1D. Discriminatory prohibited boycott. So this is what the recipients of the

00:19:57.960 funds, states or cities, what they cannot do. They cannot discriminatorily boycott. Discriminatory

00:20:04.280 prohibited boycott means refusing to deal, cutting commercial relations, so ending a business

00:20:10.660 relation, or otherwise limiting commercial relations specifically with Israeli companies

00:20:16.600 or with companies doing business in or with Israel or authorized by, licensed by, or organized under

00:20:24.060 the laws of Israel to do business. So at this point, we're not even talking about the Israeli

00:20:29.000 states. We're not talking about, hey, if for some reason you have a contract with the IDF,

00:20:33.680 you can't end or terminate that. We're talking about companies that could be headquartered in

00:20:37.720 Israel. A plain reading of this would literally mean doing business with Israel. So if you have

00:20:43.360 a business, it could be BlackRock, and they're doing business in Israel. Theoretically, under

00:20:48.880 this discriminatory statute, you would not be able to terminate, cut down your customer relations

00:20:54.860 with them. And so, so many people are coming out and saying, this is insane that one country is

00:21:00.720 being spelled out in disaster relief guidelines. We're not talking international policy. We're not

00:21:05.540 talking arms. We're not talking military. In our disaster relief for United States, states, and

00:21:10.920 cities, there is a clause in here that they cannot cease, boycott, divest, doing any business

00:21:17.800 with not even just the Israeli government, but companies that have relations to, are

00:21:21.780 headquartered in, or otherwise a part of Israel.

00:21:24.720 And so many people are just pointing out, this just seems hypocritical.

00:21:28.460 Trump ran on, make America great again.

00:21:31.600 And so that's the backlash, that's the headline, that's the news.

00:21:34.440 This is, of course, it's numerous examples from this administration of clear favoritism

00:21:40.120 for one country the speaker of the house i mean he just closed down the house they went into recess

00:21:45.100 and his first stop was the wailing wall to throw on a hat and deliver a speech a lot of people are

00:21:50.960 fed up with it i'm i don't think black pill would be the necessary the right word but i think the

00:21:56.020 tide is turning quicker than a lot of people think i'm going to hand it to antonio to kind of maybe

00:21:59.840 open with the other side i think the tide is turning quick and what we have actually is a

00:22:04.400 crisis potentially on the right wing we've talked before about there's republican and there's

00:22:08.940 conservative. And then there's kind of what is actually America first. There's Christian

00:22:12.700 nationalism. And there's a rift that's coming, I think, quicker than anybody knows. And even six

00:22:18.300 months ago, we were looking at a different story. But what we're looking at now as these things pile

00:22:22.380 up is a generational shifting paradigm, in my opinion. Yeah. I'm going to pass it over to

00:22:27.880 Antonio, though. Kind of lay out maybe what you would, I don't know if you would counter or you

00:22:31.560 would differ how you take this news. Well, I'll just say two things at the outset. I think by

00:22:35.360 disposition i have an eternal white pill and so i'm prone to seeing the optimism um despite you

00:22:42.400 know many things that would suggest i'm eating crow at the moment so i'll say that i'll also say

00:22:47.200 that you know on on its face i disagree with this kind of resolution i disagree with um you know

00:22:53.980 obviously as west indicated spelling out a specific country um and as a consequence turning

00:22:58.980 about turning down, you know, much needed funds from city American cities, American citizens who

00:23:05.540 would need that. But but all that to say, you know, as you talk about trust the plan, should I trust

00:23:10.600 the plan? Well, in order to answer that question, we have to know what the plan was in the first

00:23:15.260 place. What did we elect Trump to do? What did we elect him in 2016 to do? What did we elect him in

00:23:20.020 2024 to do? Make Israel great again. Right. No, but like we certainly didn't we didn't elect Trump

00:23:26.480 to sever a relationship with Israel.

00:23:29.320 I thought we'd like to make sure 1.00

00:23:30.400 that Bibby got free laundry service 1.00

00:23:33.220 at the White House.

00:23:35.520 I think that was earmarked

00:23:39.100 in the, yep, at the ballot box.

00:23:42.100 Yeah, yeah.

00:23:43.200 But no, I think more specifically,

00:23:45.540 it's like we can't,

00:23:47.060 obviously we have a duty as constituents

00:23:48.840 who disagree with acts that Trump does

00:23:51.660 to voice that disagreement.

00:23:53.460 I'm not saying we're yes men.

00:23:54.660 I'm not saying we're – I think particularly as sort of a Christian movement, we ought to call balls and strikes with respect to what Trump does.

00:24:03.000 But all that to say that Trump has done a lot of the things that he promised to do.

00:24:11.460 You have to remember, we – or you should say he's in the process of doing things he promised to do.

00:24:15.760 He never promised to settle relationships with Israel.

00:24:18.080 He promised to close the border. He promised to get more funding for DHS, more funding for Border Patrol. He promised to push back culturally against the onslaught from the left as it relates to transgenderism and LGBTQ and all of these things. He promised to push back against those things.

00:24:37.080 And so if we hold them, if we hold the plan to be what Trump promised, then I still think we have to say, hey, look, Trump, you totally missed the ball on this one.

00:24:47.960 But but you have done and I will give you credit for what you have done.

00:24:51.720 And that is what you promised to do.

00:24:53.420 And so that's that's really the point I'm making in the position that I'm taking.

00:24:56.740 It's not that necessarily I'm just like turning a blind eye, if you will, to to this kind of stuff. 0.96

00:25:02.020 This stuff's silly.

00:25:02.660 the the only other thing i'll say is like you have to think about this from the perspective 0.94

00:25:07.500 of the administration when trump is this cudgel that he's using with respect to fema funding

00:25:12.180 he's not he doesn't even have his own base in mind like he's not his conception of people that

00:25:18.140 this will hurt or people that this is targeting is not is not you know republican right-wing 1.00

00:25:23.880 christian uh people it's it's it's not us it's purple-haired feminists in minneapolis who are 1.00

00:25:30.400 saying, hey, let's, we love the WHO. We love the World Health Organization. We love universal human 1.00

00:25:36.500 rights organizations. And we want to defund Israel as a consequence. And Trump is saying, look, I'm a 1.00

00:25:42.340 pragmatist. I won't pass on the opportunity to punch my enemy. And he says, now he goes into his

00:25:47.880 cabinet meetings and he says, what can we do? And he hears, oh, well, sir, you have all sorts of

00:25:52.200 things at your disposal. In fact, you have FEMA funding. How about you use this to punish them?

00:25:56.060 It's similar to what Trump did with the universities he sees at Columbia and sees at Harvard, all of these anti-Israel stances from from left wing communist, you know, elements in the student body and says, let's punish these universities for allowing this to happen.

00:26:11.500 now while i disagree on the merits i actually these are the tactics that we elected trump

00:26:15.980 uh to sort of act out and and in this case we disagree with it but like he's used these same

00:26:22.560 tactics to help us in fact going back to what west said like he's used fema funding to uh force

00:26:27.980 sanctuary cities to deport people right so you brought i i think it's a fair point but my response

00:26:33.600 as we were you know kind of workshopping this episode before going live was i said um i get

00:26:39.080 that but why why can't we do it on the basis of america make america the determining factor make

00:26:45.200 america the moral universal standard so in other words um you know like it's you know like the the

00:26:52.240 meme was let them fight you know like like you're not rooting for godzilla you're not rooting for

00:26:56.820 king kong or you know whatever it is um you're like let them fight and let them destroy each

00:27:01.220 other well that's how i felt with the whole university you know palestine kind of thing it's 0.88

00:27:04.800 like on the one hand you know you've got like 300 pound you know blue-haired feminists you know

00:27:09.120 screeching for palestine and on the other hand you know you've got these um marxist universities

00:27:15.640 and i'm like you know so it's like you know who are you rooting for joel and i'm like

00:27:19.600 i didn't like either side they're both bolsheviks like which bolshevik do you prefer like neither

00:27:26.100 neither uh the universities are bolsheviks right and all all these other people scream for palestine 0.99

00:27:32.960 they're you know useful idiot uh bolsheviks but it's you know it's just um two sides of 0.98

00:27:39.160 the same coin so i'm not rooting for either i guess my point is um 0.99

00:27:43.240 like trump wanting to punish these universities like harvard great but don't punish them for

00:27:50.300 being anti-semitic and and not loving israel here's here's a novel idea what what if you

00:27:56.940 could come up with some kind of way some means some mechanism for punishing them not for being

00:28:03.340 anti-israel but for being anti-america american i know it's crazy hear me out let me cook

00:28:09.860 what if you could punish universities in america for being against america what about that so the

00:28:18.500 and these blue liberal states what if you could punish the same states because you're right

00:28:22.700 effectively that's probably the way that the chips will fall is it'll be the blue liberal

00:28:27.160 progressive states that get penalized but what if you could penalize them publicly and make it clear

00:28:33.200 that the reason the mechanism for them being penalized is because they are traitorous anti-american

00:28:39.540 states rather than anti-israel right to steelman antonio's point what he's essentially saying is

00:28:46.360 that trump is utilizing the friend enemy distinction so he's looking over at columbia

00:28:50.240 and he's looking at Harvard, where they foment leftist activism.

00:28:53.880 And Trump is saying, these are political enemies.

00:28:56.660 These are people that are pumping out graduates, that are going to think tanks,

00:28:59.400 they're going into politics, they're bringing their leftist ideology with them.

00:29:02.540 That leftist ideology, I view, is having a negative effect on America.

00:29:05.860 So what tool can I wield against my political enemy

00:29:08.680 that won't at the same time hit my political friends?

00:29:11.700 So the friends would be the me and you.

00:29:13.980 We would be the Americans.

00:29:15.020 We work hard.

00:29:15.840 We're law-abiding.

00:29:17.000 We're not just recent immigrants who came over the fence.

00:29:19.720 So Trump's saying, hey, my enemies over here are a bunch of leftists, hold up in sanctuary cities, hold up in California, hold up on leftist college campuses.

00:29:27.060 And this is just kind of, Antonio, I think you described it earlier as, this is the tool I'm going to use.

00:29:31.580 So it's not this ideological attachment to the tool or anti-Semitism as this terrible thing.

00:29:37.120 I don't care who it hits, but I want to use it because I can direct it.

00:29:40.780 If you can think of the Death Star, I can direct it at my enemies.

00:29:44.640 As a pastor, let me get a little biblical example in here real quick.

00:29:47.780 I can't help myself, but I think of Daniel. And there were counselors to the king, magi,

00:29:55.820 that were surrounding him in the king's courts, men of high stature who had the king's ear and

00:30:02.240 who hated and despised Daniel. Now, the king actually liked Daniel, right? Friend, enemy

00:30:07.860 distinction. Daniel was friend of the king. But these guys who were enemies of Daniel, they come

00:30:14.260 into the king and and they puff him up with himself you know what king um for 30 days let

00:30:21.520 there be an edict that no one is to pray or petition right so this wouldn't just include

00:30:27.900 you know the the polytheist you know who are worshiping gods it's not just religion but this

00:30:32.660 would be even the atheist the agnostic would have been included and i don't think there really were

00:30:37.180 atheists but just hypothetically theoretically the atheist this is my point is it's a universal

00:30:42.480 edict that sweeps the whole board, the whole gambit is caught up in this. So even if somebody

00:30:48.220 wasn't religious and didn't believe there were any gods, the edict was you could not pray to any god

00:30:53.420 or petition any man, both sides, except for you, O king, for 30 days. So for 30 days, no prayer,

00:31:01.640 right? Just 30 days to stop the spread. So 30 days of no prayer and no petitioning any man,

00:31:08.900 any person except for you oh king and here's a king who his friend is daniel he loves daniel

00:31:18.080 but in that moment these wicked guys who hate daniel are are getting tricksy with the king

00:31:25.220 and they're not coming directly and saying hey king you should do something bad to daniel right

00:31:31.020 because then he'd say no daniel's my friend instead they're saying hey king you should do

00:31:34.940 something good for yourself you should you should just make much of you and they're doing it in a

00:31:40.520 roundabout indirect way to where the king actually signs off with his signet ring signs off on this

00:31:46.500 edict and then immediately regrets it when he realizes oh no i didn't think about it i forgot

00:31:52.500 that this edict affects my friends daniel will be affected by this edict because daniel's not

00:31:59.920 going to stop praying i forgot daniel is a righteous man daniel is a hebrew daniel he prays

00:32:05.820 three times every day with the windows open to heaven like and i just sealed the doom of my own

00:32:11.980 friend and and so my point is yeah trump may be playing 40 chess but if that's the case then he

00:32:17.680 needs to start playing you know 5d chess because he's not if he's cooking he's not cooking hot

00:32:23.120 enough um because he's burning the kitchen down or he's yeah or he's cooking too hot you know one

00:32:28.340 or the other because here's the deal if you're looking for ways mechanisms right if the end is

00:32:33.540 i want to crush my enemies and the enemies are the blue-haired leftists um fine uh but the mechanism

00:32:40.700 that you're employing this mechanism is not going to just crush your enemies it's going to crush all 0.73

00:32:46.160 the daniels in your kingdom it's going to crush all the faithful all your friends your friends 0.72

00:32:52.660 are going to get caught up in this as well and you might sit there and say well yeah but ultimately

00:32:57.060 i get you know as king right i get to decide you know who the edict actually you know actually

00:33:02.500 um goes into effect for and and then i can you know okay maybe but you're playing with fire and

00:33:10.020 and you're bargaining and the chips that you're wagering are good americans salt of the earth

00:33:16.700 christians the people who put you in office mr president are the ones that you are putting at

00:33:23.340 risk on this particular wager and i would say too my counter to that so antonio that's a great point

00:33:29.300 like well hey this is friend enemy we're leveling at the enemy but honestly we're getting closer and 0.98

00:33:33.340 closer and we saw with epstein trump attacking his own base as stupid for fixating it so if you 0.97

00:33:39.020 could imagine like you have a you have a you're on one side trench warfare the enemies on the other 0.99

00:33:43.200 and in between you have us the allies and at first all this gunfire is coming our way and it's like

00:33:47.560 no no hold on that's to the enemy that's behind us in the trench that's who they're taking out

00:33:51.140 But I think what's happening, and I'll show this graph and maybe we end this segment here, Trump's support.

00:33:56.980 You can imagine like the trench, like people are kind of trying to evacuate, the bullets are getting closer.

00:34:01.180 And for a second, it kind of feels like we're in the crossfire.

00:34:04.060 Look at this approval of Donald Trump and his second term in his job performance, specifically 18 to 29-year-olds.

00:34:10.980 So this is from January 20th when he's elected, when he inaugurates, goes in office, I'm sorry, to June 15th.

00:34:17.280 Among 18 to 29-year-olds, it cratered 44 points.

00:34:20.220 I think that's the decline so you have all these guys in the middle and it's like well Trump's he's

00:34:25.200 going after the left and he's going after the Gavin Newsom's and he's going after the sanctuary

00:34:28.800 cities well somewhere in that process he was just booed at a WWE wrestling event now WWE is not the

00:34:35.300 most right-coded event I'll give you that but I mean a populist president who is cheered on at UFC

00:34:40.180 he would enter with Tucker Carlson and Dana White they're now booing him at WWE his support is

00:34:45.900 creating among the young people and i think millions and millions of americans are like

00:34:50.440 hang on we're the ones that supported you we're the ones that are putting you in office

00:34:53.640 but it turns out it's looking like the friend enemy distinction we're falling on the enemy side

00:34:58.200 and it's over this israel thing antonio you got a final thought before we go to commercial

00:35:03.280 no i i would say uh i'll you know that i think the daniel example is an apt analogy and i i think

00:35:10.140 it's actually a white pill i think god delivers daniel and king darius recognizes that uh he had

00:35:15.300 done something wrong, evil. But all this to say, no, I think this is absolutely right. I think

00:35:21.540 this is something we ought to hold Trump on. We ought to be loud and vocal about. I think at the

00:35:25.620 end of the day, Trump is a populist and he's going to respond to the squeaky wheel, so to speak.

00:35:29.500 That's the wheel that's going to get the oil. And so we should be cognizant of like, this is really

00:35:36.560 only growing in the last couple of years in terms of the widespread mainstream critiques on the

00:35:42.580 right if not 18 months yeah years give it months that this has happened so we've got to give it a

00:35:47.780 little bit of time for trump to hear hear the tune yeah and get and understand what's happening

00:35:52.660 that's true at the end of the day he's a populist he cares about his legacy um and he's not he's

00:35:57.240 going to go out swing to the to the end and so uh i'm still optimistic i think we've we've held

00:36:02.480 them to account before on covid for example i think trump's covid policies in 2020 particularly

00:36:07.940 And he did eventually drop that rhetoric for the longest time.

00:36:10.720 My warp speed, you know, warp speed.

00:36:13.200 And then eventually he was like.

00:36:14.480 He got booed so many times.

00:36:15.660 He's like, I can't do it anymore.

00:36:16.600 I can't even say it anymore.

00:36:17.640 Yep.

00:36:17.840 Yep.

00:36:18.320 And so I think that's a good example of what we ought to do, which is say, hey, you were

00:36:21.520 wrong on this.

00:36:22.580 What you had recommended with respect to government spending through COVID and lockdown, so on

00:36:28.220 and so forth.

00:36:28.860 All of this was wrong.

00:36:29.780 And now, of course, Trump being Trump isn't going to come out directly and apologize.

00:36:32.920 but you'll hear him start to shift his tune a little bit and shift his focus and priorities

00:36:38.000 and so this is one thing that i think we we went on this issue um and uh we continue to push on

00:36:43.680 him but we recognize that not all hope is lost we still have a fighter in the ring okay well said

00:36:49.300 um definitely we should pray that way um and uh god can do anything he can change anyone's heart

00:36:55.940 even guiding the heart of the king like waters um so we're hopeful we're prayerful um but we also

00:37:02.940 at the same time don't want to be naive and we want to call a spade a spade and hoping that by

00:37:07.920 the grace of god a spade could change uh real quick before we go to our first commercial break

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00:42:53.600 well over the weekend i don't know about you guys but i was feeling a bit of a sense of missing out

00:43:00.020 So, El Salvador, you may remember, just as of about, I think it's just six years ago,

00:43:04.360 they were one of the most dangerous places in the world to live.

00:43:06.460 They did not have a flourishing economy.

00:43:07.980 It was terrible.

00:43:08.860 It was run by gangs.

00:43:10.120 And in a matter of literally the six years since his first election into office,

00:43:14.220 Nayib Bukele is his name, the president.

00:43:16.380 For one, he's one of the most popular presidents in the world.

00:43:18.740 His approval rating is north of 90%.

00:43:20.780 He is an authoritarian without question.

00:43:23.760 And over the weekend, the, I believe it was parliament,

00:43:26.300 basically approved a constitutional amendment to where he can stay in office indefinitely.

00:43:31.180 The term limits are up to six years, and where there previously existed a limit

00:43:34.740 that at a certain point he just couldn't run for re-election, that's been removed.

00:43:38.720 And I want to tie that into a larger trend that I think is happening,

00:43:41.120 which is, and we've said this before, we're returning in many ways to nature and to tradition.

00:43:46.500 So what you see in El Salvador, he may not wear the title,

00:43:49.480 but he is, President Bukele, he is king.

00:43:52.500 That's what he is.

00:43:53.580 And what's fascinating is he's king, and it's like,

00:43:55.220 and the people hate it and they despise him and they groan under his rule. No, they love him and

00:44:01.560 adore him. And as long as he seeks that office, he will continue to be elected to it. And there

00:44:06.980 was a little bit of a sense in 2024, kind of setting the stage, what we're going to talk

00:44:09.980 about in this segment is the path ahead. What are we looking at for the next three years and

00:44:13.820 especially come 2028? But as there's this return to tradition, I think in 2024, there was a

00:44:19.120 temptation to maybe think, well, and this is it. We're about to get our king. We're about to get

00:44:23.820 our monarch our emperor and he's going to come in and he's going to save the nation but what we've

00:44:28.660 said again and again and i think it rings true and it's worth repeating trump was always going

00:44:33.200 to be the precursor the staging ground the cyrus the one who sets the stage for i think the real

00:44:40.780 actual america first nationalist christian nationalist i think that's actually the movement

00:44:46.080 to come and what we're witnessing is not it being realized the golden age of america no what we're

00:44:51.860 witnessing is actually setting the stage for the possibility of that to emerge what do you guys

00:44:56.320 think about that agreed 100 i've always thought that trump is not the savior and for the record

00:45:01.900 of course no man is the savior but the god man christ jesus himself um so we don't think any

00:45:07.280 politician political figure is the savior in the ultimate sense but you know what i mean um trump

00:45:13.060 is is not going to be the guy who politically solves all of our problems has he done good yes

00:45:20.360 like if kamala had been elected uh the amount of um the amount of immigrants that we would have had

00:45:27.840 in the like that we had during four years of biden and we would have had over four more years

00:45:32.280 are we getting mass deportations uh it doesn't feel like it uh we aren't uh thus far will we

00:45:38.260 get them in the next you know three and a half years i don't know um i i think and i hope so

00:45:42.840 for the record yeah we're all hoping we're all praying uh but as it currently stands if i had

00:45:46.860 to bet i'd say yeah okay maybe four to six million deported uh and not the you know 24 to 36 million

00:45:53.080 that we need uh that said um the borders closed and that's massive uh that is absolutely massive

00:46:01.440 i think it's i saw the first time in 50 years yeah um that we've had um more people leave the

00:46:08.220 country than come into the country the first time in 50 years which just shows you how all of our

00:46:14.640 politicians have literally been traitors and trying to destroy um our our country and and

00:46:21.160 its citizens and so um so trump has done good that is good uh but will he fix you know uh you

00:46:28.380 know right every wrong and fix every problem no um and and it's not just well nobody will but jesus

00:46:34.240 um yeah in the ultimate salvific spiritual sense nobody will but jesus uh but you actually can uh

00:46:40.840 see through sinful, imperfect men like Bukele, some massive political, national, civil changes 0.86

00:46:49.440 that lend towards the native citizens of a particular nation, their flourishing, their 0.74

00:46:54.240 prosperity, their peace, their joy, their safety, their security, all those things. And I think that

00:47:01.260 we will eventually get that type of politician. And Trump is not it. So we're super grateful.

00:47:08.900 but i completely agree with everything that you said wes i think trump was always the precursor

00:47:14.960 he's not he is not the american caesar he's he's not going to ultimately not fully he gets close

00:47:22.140 he likes to go and stand you know and look across but he's not going to cross like the saber rattle

00:47:27.440 at the courts like i'm telling you yeah this is your warning yep and with that he's done a lot

00:47:31.860 of good and i don't want to take that away from him i'm grateful uh but i don't think he's going

00:47:36.700 to cross the rubicon but i think he sets the stage for whoever it is who will and when that

00:47:43.060 guy comes whoever it may be um that that guy and this is what we have to realize because the other

00:47:49.720 thing you said i think is very insightful he will be a king um because of our american tradition

00:47:55.960 he will never be called king right we you know formally we will we will still you know uh we

00:48:02.160 will still soothe ourselves to sleep at night and say no king but christ no king but christ

00:48:07.760 you know and and you know that's how we'll get to sleep and assuage our consciences

00:48:11.720 but he will be uh functionally effectively for all intents and purposes kingly and um and that

00:48:18.980 just like that's what bukele is um he he is uh president in title uh but in many ways king

00:48:27.080 in function and i am of the persuasion that there is nothing explicit in scripture

00:48:32.360 that makes a king a an inherent in immorality well i don't think there's anything i'll give

00:48:40.280 another example someone who holds that title and the people love vladimir putin his approval

00:48:44.140 rating it i think it's in the high 80s like i mean our congress congress is 10 to 15 approval

00:48:49.480 trump maybe hovers around 40 to 50 depending on the demographic you have people that like

00:48:54.380 nine out of ten people in the country are like i like this guy he's doing a good job and it's kind

00:48:59.360 of it doesn't seem like a coincidence to me that these are some of not all of them and universally

00:49:03.200 these are the men with rule that rule with an iron fist and funny both of them are claimed to

00:49:07.340 be christians they've done a lot of damage to uh the western agenda as far as it relates to

00:49:11.600 expansion of gender rights as far as especially relates to gang violence uh they've destroyed 0.82

00:49:16.640 that and the people honestly kind of love them for it yeah and real quick in the chat uh leonard

00:49:22.140 he said i thought it was well said i've seen guys say this before but um lest we forget one of the

00:49:27.600 titles for christ himself is king of kings right so that the earth will have kings um and that's

00:49:36.140 not can you know inherently condemned um the idea is that for a christian nation and my prayer and

00:49:43.680 hope and i work towards our nation being a christian nation us being a christian nation

00:49:48.200 doesn't mean that we won't have anybody who functions as a king what it means is that um

00:49:52.880 for us to be christian is we may actually have someone who functions as a king

00:49:56.420 but there will be a king above him there will be a king of kings and that king of kings is jesus

00:50:02.640 antonio you're gonna say something well i would just say you know and i i want the record to

00:50:09.800 state that i am a self very self-aware of the uh white pill uh gaze that i have here so with that

00:50:16.440 said, I think we have to, going back to Bukele and you contrast him with Trump, he is dealing

00:50:25.920 with a significantly less politically and socially complex issue in El Salvador versus

00:50:32.980 what Trump is dealing with in America. You think about where America was headed in 2015

00:50:37.000 and where we are now and where the momentum shift is. Trump has done something that people

00:50:45.000 truly could not fathom 10 years ago and and and uh i think we have to give him that credit if he

00:50:51.740 was in el salvador i think i think virtually the same thing would have occurred yeah in terms of

00:50:58.360 where he was trying to drive our but of course there we live in a country with 50 states and we

00:51:03.080 were spread three 3,500 miles um and in geography and we have uh so many different ethnicities and

00:51:10.140 And it's a very politically rank situation for Trump.

00:51:15.420 And all of that said, I think there's still been some massive wins that we just have to

00:51:19.380 recognize.

00:51:20.180 I'm with you in the sense that Trump is not the guy.

00:51:24.100 And my conception, Trump was never the guy.

00:51:26.820 But I do think he will be someone that is kind of a litmus test going forward.

00:51:34.220 So in other words, in 2028, the Republican candidate, I think you're going to have two

00:51:37.760 competing visions, one pro-Israel, one anti-Israel, one truly America first, and then one kind of 0.58

00:51:44.220 America slash Israel first. And I think both of them are going to compete for, you could say, 0.74

00:51:50.520 the succession of Trump. Both are going to say, in a similar fashion as you think of Caesar and

00:51:57.260 the emperors that followed in the Roman Empire, all saying, I am the most like Caesar. I am the

00:52:05.540 continuation of caesar i think there's going to be for for many uh many election cycles after trump

00:52:11.580 in the republican party there's going to be that competition to say that this guy who turned

00:52:15.620 everything around he was the beginning he was the 180 from this post-modern liberal uh agenda

00:52:22.820 into something that's truly traditional truly in alignment with uh american values he was the guy

00:52:28.620 who started it and i am going to finish it and i think that will be the claim for many years to

00:52:33.260 come so i do so all that to say i'm with you i don't think trump's the guy but i certainly think

00:52:38.460 that the guy will claim trump yeah it'll be kind of like at least 2.0 he probably will i think

00:52:46.900 you're right he'll probably claim trump just you know unapologetically um he'll probably the next

00:52:53.460 the next guy the 2028 guy will probably be a trump you know sycophant but um i think eventually what

00:52:59.960 you'll have is a guy who uh doesn't claim trump but um but acknowledges trump you know so like

00:53:06.040 even like a guy like nick fuentes still he didn't vote for trump he encouraged others not to vote

00:53:10.680 for trump he wasn't saying vote for kamala but he said you know don't vote for trump kind of similar

00:53:14.940 to you know the the same you know type of argument that the abolitionists were making during the

00:53:20.520 election um nick fuentes abolitionist boom um you know on on that particular issue ironic a bit but

00:53:27.540 um but they did hold the same position with hold your vote um that said even is against trump as

00:53:35.300 you know nick has been he's still still to this day is regularly acknowledging um trump inspired

00:53:41.700 all this trump inspired me you know him speaking of himself trump is the precursor trump was the

00:53:48.240 um the you know what ignited uh the fire so he still gives trump credit as like trump started

00:53:54.920 of this uh but he's he's not gonna finish it and that's the shot across the bow of a liberal order

00:53:59.540 like this canon that rings out and it's like what was that yeah yeah no i was just gonna say like uh

00:54:04.580 i can respect that position but it's like guys we're foolish if we like look at the way where

00:54:10.100 we are today um with respect to rhetoric even just think about vibes think about rhetoric and how we 0.53

00:54:15.560 can talk we can say the word retard i mean like all this was not a given yeah this was truly not 0.61

00:54:22.780 a given five years ago and uh and there's one man that has been at the helm of saying hey we're

00:54:27.560 going to be able to say this thing and i'm going to take a lot of flack for it now i look i haven't

00:54:31.840 again i haven't drank the kool-aid i don't think uh you know trump like you said joel is a savior

00:54:37.040 with any uh you know in any you know shape or form but i do recognize that we've seen a massive

00:54:45.440 turnaround and then there's been a guy at the at the the fore of it so um i love this quote i've

00:54:51.780 brought it up in the show before but this quote from robert e lee that's so good it says uh the

00:54:55.680 march of providence is so slow and our desire so impatient the work of progress is so immense and

00:55:00.880 our means of aiding it so feeble the life of humanity is so long and that of the individual

00:55:05.220 so brief that we often see only the ebb of the advancing wave and are thus discouraged it is

00:55:10.280 history that teaches us to hope what if the last i mean since you could go back multiple world

00:55:15.440 World Wars, honestly, to the Civil War. L, L, L, losing just the American Christian hegemony

00:55:23.540 that we had. But what if that's the receding wave for people to realize, hold on, this thing that 0.71

00:55:27.760 we started, it seemed like, well, of course, they would set up a flourishing society that would do

00:55:31.980 well and have a great economy. But what if all of those battles that we went through and all the

00:55:36.940 losses we had to realize like, oh my goodness, this thing that we created is so precious and

00:55:42.320 people ruling themselves versus having to have the monarch come in and say you're going to get in

00:55:46.580 line all of this centuries of a receding wave of difficulty of setbacks before the blessing of

00:55:53.340 providence and people say what we have we are going to defend it and if possible and honestly

00:55:58.700 ministries like this books that can be written these can point out don't make this mistake don't

00:56:03.260 make this mistake we thought like heart cellar was supposed to not change the fabric of america

00:56:07.920 at all. As it was being written, they're saying, hey, you're worried about this. Guys, this is not

00:56:12.540 going to change America. We're just going to shift some stuff up with immigration. But we can sound 0.59

00:56:17.440 a warning for generations, hundreds of years of our four of our descendants, Christian ones, 1.00

00:56:23.420 hopefully. Hey, we know better than to do that. We know those perils. I think it's Aquinas who 1.00

00:56:28.860 says that nature will ridicule the invention of men. So the capitalism, oh, we've got this

00:56:35.760 invention now that it's going to bring peace and it's going to bring prosperity to the world

00:56:39.800 um and uh by the way we don't need any kind of distinctions anymore as a consequence everyone's

00:56:45.420 just going to live you know it's all a rising tide's going to lift all boats and it's like well

00:56:48.940 nature proves that false and i think time and time again we learn through this recursiveness

00:56:53.820 uh in history about you know nature's you know prominence and uh undeniability and uh and we

00:57:02.780 can't fight nature now obviously systems and inventions that we've created can be in alignment

00:57:07.160 with nature and be good for uh for man but uh essentially yeah i agree essentially i think what

00:57:12.800 both of you are saying is that um it's the ebbs and flows that are inevitable in god's providence

00:57:17.700 throughout human history that the kingdom advances and it does so progressively but it does so

00:57:23.060 gradually and it doesn't do it doesn't do it perfectly without any setbacks along the way

00:57:28.260 So like COVID is a great case study in the micro, and what you guys are describing with the Heart Cellar Act and some of these things would be what we hope and pray and even think will be, even to the level of confidence of predicting, will be a case study in the macro, right?

00:57:44.820 So COVID, what I mean by that is it kind of took the left seemingly having a temporary total victory, right?

00:57:54.400 A high watermark in 2020 and 2021 between COVID and St. George Floyd and BLM and all these things.

00:58:01.300 It kind of took that for us to realize, whoa, never again.

00:58:06.720 and in some sense it may also likewise take you know 60 years of mass immigration and people you

00:58:16.720 know america losing its identity and uh and an entire generation not being able to afford

00:58:23.280 a home and a family for us to realize whoa never again and to get serious and make the changes

00:58:30.420 necessary what you're kind of referring to is patterns within patterns and smaller shorter

00:58:34.280 patterns, COVID. Maybe call that a five-year cycle, a five-year rise and then fall. With

00:58:38.660 wokeness, a 15-year one. With Hart Seller and with the boomer generation, they're passing away 0.58

00:58:43.040 a 60-year. You could have 250-year cycles. You could call it the French Revolution. Well, hey,

00:58:48.440 instead of God, instead of the Bible, we have human reason and rationalism. But all of those

00:58:53.460 converging to come to a moment where kind of at the same time, interestingly, they're all kind

00:58:57.720 collapsing i mean from 2023 to 2025 young men 18 to 29 moved 44 points to the right 44 points to

00:59:07.680 the right a fundamental realignment of political politics that you just this didn't happen in 2008

00:59:13.960 right obama didn't get in there was a a economic crash and disaster and it's like a young man just

00:59:19.920 shifted by 44 points i don't think this has happened in anybody's lifetime and so then you

00:59:25.440 pair it up and the boomer generation is passing away and and immigration i mean to be fair like

00:59:30.660 trump ran on the biggest issue mass deportation and an end to the immigration so it's immigration

00:59:36.200 all the way back for a lot of us hey we indulged in rationalism and reason put aside god said we

00:59:42.500 can do the state we can do government we can do that ourselves and wouldn't be amazing if in a

00:59:48.040 generation we see all of them swept away like rocks at the beach for a real lasting order to

00:59:53.160 be established it's not all these all these psych historical cycles inflect at the same point and

00:59:58.440 which has happened in history before and i think those are the times that you think back you know

01:00:02.380 like uh you could say the american revolution and and i i think these these things uh uh you have

01:00:07.920 these big big large cycle inflections and uh that those are the points in history that we're most

01:00:14.100 fond of and i think we've learned the most from and the 250 year mark um that that's a big one um

01:00:22.000 also the 80 year mark there's a lot like you think of like okay 80 years ago world war ii 80 years

01:00:27.660 before that civil war 80 years before that you know the war for independence like that seems

01:00:31.640 right as long as we're noticing it seems like there's a bit of a pattern there and we're 80

01:00:36.380 years in world war ii i know exactly that's my point and so if i think that you you could argue

01:00:41.720 you know if you're a student of history that you know there are like macro 250 year cycles

01:00:46.240 there are smaller 80 year cycles there are smaller smaller 40 year cycles 40 and then 12 year cycles

01:00:52.820 and then like four year cycles and we've just kind of been talking about the four year cycle for the

01:00:57.480 past few what two three four decades right you know like uh and it's and it's kind of like the

01:01:02.900 ping pong ball just bouncing back and forth you know republicans democrats republicans democrats

01:01:07.460 and they're both you know just two sides of the same coin but meanwhile what i think we can miss

01:01:12.260 if we don't really, really pan out,

01:01:13.840 which is hard to do as finite creatures

01:01:16.040 in just one generation.

01:01:17.780 But meanwhile, the ping pong ball

01:01:19.820 has been going back and forth,

01:01:22.040 crossing the span of about an inch, right?

01:01:24.840 An inch to the right, inch to the left, inch to the right.

01:01:27.280 But then this whole ping pong game

01:01:30.680 is also its own ping pong larger ball

01:01:33.640 that is in a bigger frame that it's also been going

01:01:36.780 and it's just been moving.

01:01:38.840 So it's like, we're moving left for four years

01:01:40.440 and then we're moving right for four years.

01:01:41.760 meanwhile that whole thing has also been moving left for 40 years and then is about to and then

01:01:46.900 that whole thing you know in an 80 year cycle and a 250 year cycle and it could just you know kind

01:01:52.200 of like a like some kind of like uh i don't even know the i'm i don't know the word of like when

01:01:57.020 when this planet on its cycle lines up with this other one on this longer cycle and it's like it

01:02:03.460 only happens once every you know bajillion years you know that like saturn and venus and this and

01:02:09.660 we could politically see something like that happen in our lifetime something that people

01:02:15.560 typically have to wait centuries for yeah um could actually have occur in our lifetime it's

01:02:23.160 not unthinkable and so i think it's it's foolish and i'll also go ahead and say it a little bit

01:02:28.000 stronger i think it is explicitly unchristian no matter what generation you live in um to not

01:02:34.300 have hope right we're christians we hope the lord can win by many he can win by few and we don't

01:02:40.840 know when he will bring about the victory right it's not by might nor by power nor by our sacred

01:02:46.120 democracy or elections but by my spirit says the lord and we don't know when he can we know he can

01:02:51.480 do it we don't know when he will do it so i think we should always be hopeful that maybe he'll do it

01:02:56.260 soon maybe he'll do it now maybe he'll do it with us and so we're always hopeful and at the same

01:03:01.700 time um hope hope can become a euphemism for foolishness or madness hope can be a euphemism

01:03:09.720 for madness and wisdom can be a euphemism for fear i'm just being wise no you're being afraid

01:03:14.900 you're being a coward you're not you're not hedging your bets in wisdom you're hedging your

01:03:18.580 bets in fear so so don't don't say well i'm just um i'm i i i just don't want a white pill i'm not 0.92

01:03:24.760 black pilled you know i'm just hedging my bets like don't don't do either like don't don't do

01:03:29.700 either. Don't say you're being wise, but really you're being cowardly. And don't say, I'm just 0.99

01:03:34.800 being hopeful, but really you're being naive. You're being insane. You're being foolish. And 0.99

01:03:40.280 so we're doing our best, by the grace of God, to fall into neither ditch on either side of the road

01:03:45.560 and say, no, God really could change everything, and he could do it in our lifetime. And also,

01:03:51.400 if he doesn't, right now, things are not headed in a great direction. Things are really, really,

01:03:58.240 really rough and and every election cycle uh we are simply choosing between the lesser of two evils

01:04:05.520 and and the lesser portion is like a freckle in a hair right so 10 taxes versus 12 yeah we've got

01:04:14.780 it now yeah yep all right let's go to our last commercial break and then we will be right back

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01:06:48.240 So here's going to be the big referendum.

01:06:50.340 This is the thing to put a pin in, put a reminder in your calendar.

01:06:53.960 2028, and here's kind of the risk.

01:06:55.600 The left is rebranding, right?

01:06:57.160 So the left is going to have to say, hang on, we took the woke thing a little bit too 0.99

01:07:00.700 far, 300 pound women in Calvin Klein, the populace, just they weren't ready for that. 1.00

01:07:05.420 That would take too much USAID money. 0.94

01:07:07.160 So the left is rebranding, see Gavin Newsom moving to a more moderate position.

01:07:10.600 Here's the risk, and people need to be aware of this.

01:07:12.840 The potential is that specifically in primary elections and some of it in the general, but

01:07:18.620 you're going to have MAGA, but we may see the actual true America first for the lack

01:07:22.740 of a better term.

01:07:23.680 We may sell you some of these candidates for the first time that you'd be able to go and

01:07:26.580 You'd be able to vote for a Christian man who actually really does represent your values.

01:07:30.320 You could say like, yeah, I really like this guy.

01:07:32.440 I like everything, practically everything he has to say.

01:07:35.340 He's good on life.

01:07:36.140 He's good on men and women.

01:07:37.060 He's good on faith.

01:07:38.200 And he's good on saying America should be for Americans.

01:07:41.480 Now, the risk is, and this has typically happened in the past, when a party is kind of split.

01:07:45.280 This happened to the left in 2024.

01:07:47.120 When a party is split between its wing that's kind of moving and has the youth and the energy

01:07:51.000 that was left with kind of wokeness 2020, 2024, and kind of an establishment.

01:07:55.740 I mean, I think of the neocons, a lot of them like Nikki Haley, Mark Levin and others, they folded under MAGA.

01:08:01.100 You're going to kind of have a MAGA neocon assembly.

01:08:04.900 Probably J.D. Vance is going to be the forerunner for that.

01:08:07.700 And then you might have, and hopefully it's not third party, but it possibly could be another candidate that says both of these, as we've been saying, they're two sides of the same coin.

01:08:15.620 So be watching in 2026, 2028.

01:08:18.860 We're going to see if we have political legs.

01:08:20.500 If candidates can get out there, they can have a message.

01:08:23.720 Just, you know, friendly word of advice.

01:08:25.100 If you're running for city council, don't make Israel the center state of your campaign.

01:08:29.000 Our guys have to be smart. 0.99

01:08:30.460 Israel does not matter as much for that. 0.98

01:08:32.160 Now, after you get in office, you can perhaps be clear and upfront. 0.99

01:08:35.920 You could take on.

01:08:36.940 In Texas, for example, the governor is trying to strip funding away from cities that boycott

01:08:41.080 Israel.

01:08:41.740 So maybe after you get in office, that's the time to talk about it.

01:08:44.420 But our guys need to run smart campaigns.

01:08:46.560 And we need to see if some people can make it into Congress, especially the Senate, governorships

01:08:50.740 that are saying, hey, you know, here's all these things that are real practical improvements.

01:08:55.100 for people that live in Oklahoma, people that live in Texas. And I think unlike the prevailing

01:08:59.900 doctrine for the last 30 years, Israel doesn't offer much of us, much advantage to us as a

01:09:05.800 strategic ally. So that's what I see coming up in the next three years. The risk for sure of 0.60

01:09:10.840 splitting the vote, the risk of people walking out. I'll be honest with you, it's going to be

01:09:15.320 hard to plug my nose and vote for Greg Abbott or Ted Cruz again. Don't know if I can do it. So

01:09:19.560 there's some risk of people walking out. There's risk of splitting the vote. But imagine three

01:09:24.160 more years of this it's been six months about eight since trump was inaugurated and this is

01:09:29.840 how far we've come i think we've got a long way to go yeah i think that's i think that's astute

01:09:34.840 uh i i would just say uh to the to the point about what will make the issue in 2028 i think this

01:09:41.120 question of america first and how it's defined whether it's you know israel's incorporated into

01:09:45.840 that as a sort of you know a footnote or not i think that will be the issue now there was a time

01:09:51.460 where I think it was appropriate, I talked about where we were in 2015 and how far we've come.

01:09:56.460 I think there was a point in which this wasn't the issue that you went on. And there was some

01:10:00.100 horse trading that had to be done. You had the Israel lobby and you had other things that were

01:10:04.400 more pressing. For example, not transing children. That were the issues that you wanted to win on. 0.87

01:10:10.120 But I do think there's legitimate political momentum now behind a true America first policy,

01:10:15.780 both internally and with respect to foreign policy.

01:10:19.800 And so with that momentum,

01:10:21.160 this is not the time to compromise.

01:10:22.840 This is the time to run on the issue

01:10:24.400 and say that I represent,

01:10:26.840 whether I be a state senator or I'm a US senator,

01:10:30.640 I represent the American people and the American people only.

01:10:33.660 This is being transparent

01:10:35.300 about who you're taking political donations from,

01:10:37.800 i.e. not AIPAC, not any foreign asset register,

01:10:42.300 so on and so forth.

01:10:43.420 It's quickly becoming, getting to the point where unless APAC gives you a million dollars, people aren't going to take it because it would be like a thousand bucks from APAC is more of a liability than it.

01:10:53.580 Correct.

01:10:54.080 Yeah.

01:10:54.340 And you did that, you patriots out there.

01:10:56.420 Yeah.

01:10:56.660 That's the credit. 0.79

01:10:57.320 That's constituents do that. 1.00

01:10:58.840 Make them toxic.

01:11:00.160 Yeah, exactly.

01:11:00.900 So all that to say, I agree.

01:11:02.720 I agree with your points in terms of the wisdom of where the momentum is going politically. 0.61

01:11:07.220 And I think in 2028, I like that framing of you'll have the new neocon.

01:11:12.080 This will be the APAC-backed faction of the Republican Party, and then you'll have this

01:11:17.140 more dissident. But I think it will be, by that time, three years to go, I think it will be a

01:11:22.480 meaningful constituency within the Republican Party tent. Of course, we'll find ourselves in

01:11:28.620 that part of the tent. And I think we'll have our own candidate. We'll have our dark horse.

01:11:33.960 And I think we have a good shot if we continue to push here.

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01:13:13.040 So $100 from CNRB1689.

01:13:16.920 We just want to say thank you very much for your generosity and support.

01:13:20.440 Here's his question.

01:13:21.100 Pastor Joel, would you lead Right Response Ministries to establish a covenantal, confessional, reformed, patriarchal, Christian town in Texas for agrarian tech, multi-generational families living fully under King Jesus as a nation-building blueprint?

01:13:40.280 It's a great question.

01:13:42.280 That is quite a commitment.

01:13:44.160 I would have to give it some serious prayer and serious thought.

01:13:47.240 In the meantime, it's a worthy endeavor.

01:13:49.980 um i i appreciate uh the thought and you putting it on here and giving it as a super chat we

01:13:56.180 appreciate that uh in the meantime what we're trying to do is so no we have not purchased you

01:14:00.220 know 500 acres of land and we're not you know building a community center and establishing a

01:14:04.660 town in the formal official sense uh but in the meantime what we're trying to do is uh we are

01:14:10.820 trying to get as many like-minded uh you know christians with a spine as possible who are

01:14:17.900 politically minded culturally minded who are not pietist right they have piety right they care about

01:14:24.040 personal holiness and obedience to jesus christ but they're not pietist meaning that um they're

01:14:29.760 not so heavenly bound that they're no earthly good right so they they're actually trying to

01:14:33.680 live out their faith in every single realm of human life not just the family and the church

01:14:38.140 but also politically and culturally and all those kinds of things and um in terms of okay well what's

01:14:43.160 the mechanism, what's the means by which you're trying to accomplish this. As of now, the primary

01:14:48.020 means that we're trying to accomplish this through is called the local church. It seems to be Jesus'

01:14:55.660 plan for winning the world, and we haven't given up on it yet. It is slow. It can be trying. It can

01:15:03.960 be difficult. The church is made up of sinners, myself, and chief, and foremost. And so church

01:15:10.160 life can be slow life it can be uh difficult and challenging life uh but that's the main thing that

01:15:15.780 we're doing uh that i do think sets us apart from other podcasts and ministries and media companies

01:15:20.880 and those kinds of things is that uh yes we have a a fairly large forward-facing public you know

01:15:27.900 digital footprint uh where we speak um you know far beyond just the local sphere um but everything

01:15:35.180 we do publicly and nationally none of that is at the expense of what we're trying to do locally

01:15:42.560 and i think that is the difference is that um when you you know peel under you know the layers

01:15:48.100 look under the hood of you know the 125 you know thousand youtube subscribers or what we're doing

01:15:54.080 on x or what we're doing over here what we're doing over there what you will find underneath

01:15:58.340 all of it is a local body of believers. You'll find a church. And so if you would like to join

01:16:05.560 what we're currently doing, the best way to do that, if you want to be more than just somebody

01:16:11.180 in the live chat, or more than just sending a donation or an email or participating in this

01:16:19.860 or that or the other, or coming to the annual conference, as great as that is, if you really

01:16:25.020 want to be on the ground, then we do have a church. And we're located in Central Texas. You can

01:16:31.220 reach out to me if you'd like more information. You could send me an email. But that's the

01:16:37.480 biggest thing that we're doing right now is we're not starting our own town. And I'm not against

01:16:42.560 that. I know individuals who are doing that. And I think it can be a worthy endeavor. I think the

01:16:48.060 verdict is still out and hasn't come back in. We'll see what the Lord does with that, whether

01:16:51.240 it's successful or not. I think of Ridge Runner, guys who are doing that in Tennessee. So that's

01:16:56.620 one way to go about it. And it could pan out to be phenomenal. But at minimum, so you could go

01:17:04.300 all the way, start your own town. But at minimum, Christians have to be a part of a church. And so 0.99

01:17:09.940 we have a church that is like-minded, that is regularly talking about these kinds of things

01:17:15.200 and seeking to be faithful in our daily lives.

01:17:18.120 And so for now, that's CNRB 1689.

01:17:23.400 That's what we have to offer

01:17:24.380 is a local church in Central Texas.

01:17:26.600 And if you ever wanna come and visit,

01:17:28.020 we would be honored to have you.

01:17:29.980 All right, do we have any more Super Chats for today?

01:17:33.080 All right, we are gonna go ahead and cut the stream,

01:17:35.400 leave it there.

01:17:36.260 Lord willing, we will see you guys on Wednesday

01:17:38.660 at 3 p.m. Central Time.

01:17:40.500 God bless.

01:17:45.200 Thank you.

The NXR Podcast - August 04, 2025

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