00:01:39.600I get in trouble about it fairly often.
00:01:42.180But I just, like, I just, you tell me if you think I'm wrong.
00:01:47.120But I would just say that the lay of the land right now in the year of our Lord, 2024, there is no serious political candidate at the federal level, especially not the presidential level.0.56
00:01:56.240that's not going to be um some some form you know uh color or stripe of zionist that's just
00:02:03.900that's where we're at and so you take the best option that you can and make the political
00:02:08.360arguments and things change over time so true king well said well said joel thanks joel um
00:02:17.440yeah that's how i felt at the time and i said explicit explicitly that um i didn't sit there
00:02:24.340and pretend, oh, yeah, Trump isn't a Zionist. Oh, Trump's never gone to the magical wall and
00:02:30.400worn the magical hat and kissed the wall and said the magical incantation. Of course he had.
00:02:36.020I mean, Trump has Jewish grandchildren, right? All these things are publicly known. We know them now
00:02:40.600and we knew them then. And we said as much then. So that was not the argument. The argument wasn't,
00:02:45.480hey, you know what? Trump is truly America first with no ties whatsoever to Netanyahu or this,
00:02:52.740that or the other. No, it was Trump has done in the providence of God, much good. And number one,
00:02:58.940we want to honor him as best we can and be grateful for those things and prayerful and hopeful that he
00:03:04.360could do more good. And yet his shortcomings are glaring and we are perfectly aware of them.
00:03:11.340And given our choices, we think that Trump is the best way to go. Now that said, there was one more
00:03:17.760thing that I mentioned during the election cycle leading up to Trump's landslide victory, and it
00:03:23.160was this. I said that yes, even during the election cycle, during the campaign trail, we need to be
00:03:31.620honest about Trump's shortcomings, especially as Christians, right? Because we are morally
00:03:37.400obligated to speak the truth. But once he's elected, there is a shift, not in truth, not in
00:03:45.220principle, but a shift in tactics, a shift in strategy. And I said, and I want to stand by it
00:03:53.080and hold to it, that if and when Trump was elected, and we thought that he would be,
00:03:58.160that once he was elected, then the job of the Christian shifts to now we must be calling him
00:04:05.320to account, right? He's now in the White House. The Kamala potential crisis has been averted.0.91
00:04:12.860praise god um if i could go back would you vote for him again yes if i could go back in a time
00:04:18.180machine i would vote for him again would i vote for him if he somehow you know was given you know
00:04:23.240the constitution was amended and he was up for uh the potential of a third election well i don't it
00:04:28.540depends who he's running against if there's somebody better who's actually america first
00:04:33.160truly america then then no i would not vote for trump again but do i regret given the lay of the
00:04:38.420land that I voted for him this last time? Absolutely not. But now that he's no longer on
00:04:43.280the campaign trail, now that he is firmly placed in the White House, he's not running to be
00:04:48.220president. He is president. I said then, and I'm going to confirm and reaffirm now, that now is
00:04:54.520the time for Christians to chimp. Now is the time for Christians to speak out and say, Mr. President,1.00
00:05:02.460i voted for you i'm praying for you i appreciate you you don't have to be rude you don't have to
00:05:09.160be disrespectful i appreciate you i'm praying for you but also um we voted for america first
00:05:17.700not israel first i it's kind of funny i mean it's it's ultimately sad but it's you know
00:05:24.240you can find a little dark side of humor in this uh trump will go down and be remembered as
00:05:30.400he's the guy who renamed the Gulf of Mexico to the Gulf of America, right? W's in the chat,
00:05:38.180boys. Hashtag, we're winning. We're so back. Yeah, but he also might go down as the guy who
00:05:43.440renamed the country. He renamed the Gulf, the Gulf of America, but he might've renamed the country,
00:05:49.060the United States of Israel. And we have to sit with that for a second.
00:05:53.720Now, I'm not saying that Trump is the first Zionist in the White House. I mean, look at the0.80
00:05:57.900Bushes, look at the Clintons, look at everybody that we've had for the last 40, 50 years. So I
00:06:02.980don't want to, I want to say Trump right now is making a mistake. It's an unforced error in my
00:06:08.060assessment. That said, I don't want to pretend that he's unique. I don't think that's fair.
00:06:11.980I don't think it's fair to say, man, Trump is uniquely Zionist. And when I look at Washington,
00:06:17.720DC, I mean, nobody else is a Zionist. It's just him. Yeah, right. Yeah, right. And that was my0.55
00:06:22.800whole point. The clip that we just showed you was to say that in the year of our Lord 2024,
00:06:27.500at the time of his election, there was no non-Zionist options, serious viable candidate
00:06:32.780running for president of the United States. It wasn't, hey, you could have a Zionist or not a
00:06:37.180Zionist. No, it was just, which Zionist do you want? And yeah, I pick the Trump Zionist over0.80
00:06:43.020the Kamala Zionist. Yes. That said, he is president now. The election is secure. We need0.98
00:06:49.400to be looking forward to 2028 and we need to make it plain that this is not going to be the future
00:06:57.080of our country. This is not, no, we're not doing MIGA. We're not doing the United States of Israel.0.90
00:07:03.740Last thing I'll say in this opening, and then we'll get to the show. Last thing is this.
00:07:08.840There is a difference in an unforced error versus, you know, politically campaigning and playing the
00:07:16.920game and being a little bit strategic or shrewd, there's a wide gulf of difference between those
00:07:24.280two, you know, those two options. So I think of, you know, the fight for the unborn, right? This
00:07:32.260ministry, we are resolute against abortion and not just mitigating abortion or relegating abortion.
00:07:38.460We want abortion to be abolished. And we believe, my position, is that the only way to abolish
00:07:44.260abortion is to have equal protection, equal protection, the same protections you would have
00:07:49.460for the born should be the same protections you have for the unborn. And what that means is just0.64
00:07:55.200to break it down, make it real plain so that I'm not mincing words, equal protection means equal
00:07:59.880penalties. Whatever the legal penalty is for someone who takes a five-year-old child into a
00:08:06.480back alley and kills them, that should be the penalty for everyone involved in abortion,
00:08:11.000the husband or the boyfriend or the father or the uncle who might be coercing and the doctor aka the1.00
00:08:17.480hitman the person you are paying to kill a human being and the mother yes actually women commit1.00
00:08:25.760sin and here's you know you're a misogynist let me prove that i'm not i think so highly of women1.00
00:08:32.180that i think that they're actually morally culpable that's how highly i think of women1.00
00:08:36.860I actually don't think that they're stupid. I actually do think that a woman is intelligent1.00
00:08:41.700enough and morally responsible enough to bear that responsibility for the conscious decision0.99
00:08:48.200of murdering her own child in the womb. So yes, I think that she should be punished too.
00:08:53.100But that was one of the big things on the campaign trail, just to, again, memory lane,
00:08:57.400go back to 2024, Trump's running for election. And there were many Christians, like-minded
00:09:01.740Christians who I have relationship with, who I respect, who I appreciate. And a lot of them
00:09:07.260were saying, do not vote for Trump because he was stepping back, noticeably stepping back in
00:09:13.240his rhetoric on the issue of the sanctity of life. He seemed to be more comfortable with abortion
00:09:21.440than he had previously been, not even close to wanting to abolish it. And we knew that wasn't
00:09:26.420going to happen, but stepping back even more from where he previously was. And so guys were saying,
00:09:31.460we need to withhold our vote. Don't vote for Trump. And they weren't saying, oh, so therefore
00:09:35.420vote for Kamala. They were saying, no, just don't vote at all. Of course, Kamala is not qualified,
00:09:39.620but neither is Trump if he won't take a stand explicitly on the campaign trail for the unborn.
00:23:54.660I'm not saying we're – I think particularly as sort of a Christian movement, we ought to call balls and strikes with respect to what Trump does.
00:24:03.000But all that to say that Trump has done a lot of the things that he promised to do.
00:24:11.460You have to remember, we – or you should say he's in the process of doing things he promised to do.
00:24:15.760He never promised to settle relationships with Israel.
00:24:18.080He promised to close the border. He promised to get more funding for DHS, more funding for Border Patrol. He promised to push back culturally against the onslaught from the left as it relates to transgenderism and LGBTQ and all of these things. He promised to push back against those things.
00:24:37.080And so if we hold them, if we hold the plan to be what Trump promised, then I still think we have to say, hey, look, Trump, you totally missed the ball on this one.
00:24:47.960But but you have done and I will give you credit for what you have done.
00:25:02.660the the only other thing i'll say is like you have to think about this from the perspective0.94
00:25:07.500of the administration when trump is this cudgel that he's using with respect to fema funding
00:25:12.180he's not he doesn't even have his own base in mind like he's not his conception of people that
00:25:18.140this will hurt or people that this is targeting is not is not you know republican right-wing1.00
00:25:23.880christian uh people it's it's it's not us it's purple-haired feminists in minneapolis who are1.00
00:25:30.400saying, hey, let's, we love the WHO. We love the World Health Organization. We love universal human1.00
00:25:36.500rights organizations. And we want to defund Israel as a consequence. And Trump is saying, look, I'm a1.00
00:25:42.340pragmatist. I won't pass on the opportunity to punch my enemy. And he says, now he goes into his
00:25:47.880cabinet meetings and he says, what can we do? And he hears, oh, well, sir, you have all sorts of
00:25:52.200things at your disposal. In fact, you have FEMA funding. How about you use this to punish them?
00:25:56.060It's similar to what Trump did with the universities he sees at Columbia and sees at Harvard, all of these anti-Israel stances from from left wing communist, you know, elements in the student body and says, let's punish these universities for allowing this to happen.
00:26:11.500now while i disagree on the merits i actually these are the tactics that we elected trump
00:26:15.980uh to sort of act out and and in this case we disagree with it but like he's used these same
00:26:22.560tactics to help us in fact going back to what west said like he's used fema funding to uh force
00:26:27.980sanctuary cities to deport people right so you brought i i think it's a fair point but my response
00:26:33.600as we were you know kind of workshopping this episode before going live was i said um i get
00:26:39.080that but why why can't we do it on the basis of america make america the determining factor make
00:26:45.200america the moral universal standard so in other words um you know like it's you know like the the
00:26:52.240meme was let them fight you know like like you're not rooting for godzilla you're not rooting for
00:26:56.820king kong or you know whatever it is um you're like let them fight and let them destroy each
00:27:01.220other well that's how i felt with the whole university you know palestine kind of thing it's0.88
00:27:04.800like on the one hand you know you've got like 300 pound you know blue-haired feminists you know
00:27:09.120screeching for palestine and on the other hand you know you've got these um marxist universities
00:27:15.640and i'm like you know so it's like you know who are you rooting for joel and i'm like
00:27:19.600i didn't like either side they're both bolsheviks like which bolshevik do you prefer like neither
00:27:26.100neither uh the universities are bolsheviks right and all all these other people scream for palestine0.99
00:27:32.960they're you know useful idiot uh bolsheviks but it's you know it's just um two sides of0.98
00:27:39.160the same coin so i'm not rooting for either i guess my point is um0.99
00:27:43.240like trump wanting to punish these universities like harvard great but don't punish them for
00:27:50.300being anti-semitic and and not loving israel here's here's a novel idea what what if you
00:27:56.940could come up with some kind of way some means some mechanism for punishing them not for being
00:28:03.340anti-israel but for being anti-america american i know it's crazy hear me out let me cook
00:28:09.860what if you could punish universities in america for being against america what about that so the
00:28:18.500and these blue liberal states what if you could punish the same states because you're right
00:28:22.700effectively that's probably the way that the chips will fall is it'll be the blue liberal
00:28:27.160progressive states that get penalized but what if you could penalize them publicly and make it clear
00:28:33.200that the reason the mechanism for them being penalized is because they are traitorous anti-american
00:28:39.540states rather than anti-israel right to steelman antonio's point what he's essentially saying is
00:28:46.360that trump is utilizing the friend enemy distinction so he's looking over at columbia
00:28:50.240and he's looking at Harvard, where they foment leftist activism.
00:28:53.880And Trump is saying, these are political enemies.
00:28:56.660These are people that are pumping out graduates, that are going to think tanks,
00:28:59.400they're going into politics, they're bringing their leftist ideology with them.
00:29:02.540That leftist ideology, I view, is having a negative effect on America.
00:29:05.860So what tool can I wield against my political enemy
00:29:08.680that won't at the same time hit my political friends?
00:29:11.700So the friends would be the me and you.
00:29:17.000We're not just recent immigrants who came over the fence.
00:29:19.720So Trump's saying, hey, my enemies over here are a bunch of leftists, hold up in sanctuary cities, hold up in California, hold up on leftist college campuses.
00:29:27.060And this is just kind of, Antonio, I think you described it earlier as, this is the tool I'm going to use.
00:29:31.580So it's not this ideological attachment to the tool or anti-Semitism as this terrible thing.
00:29:37.120I don't care who it hits, but I want to use it because I can direct it.
00:29:40.780If you can think of the Death Star, I can direct it at my enemies.
00:29:44.640As a pastor, let me get a little biblical example in here real quick.
00:29:47.780I can't help myself, but I think of Daniel. And there were counselors to the king, magi,
00:29:55.820that were surrounding him in the king's courts, men of high stature who had the king's ear and
00:30:02.240who hated and despised Daniel. Now, the king actually liked Daniel, right? Friend, enemy
00:30:07.860distinction. Daniel was friend of the king. But these guys who were enemies of Daniel, they come
00:30:14.260into the king and and they puff him up with himself you know what king um for 30 days let
00:30:21.520there be an edict that no one is to pray or petition right so this wouldn't just include
00:30:27.900you know the the polytheist you know who are worshiping gods it's not just religion but this
00:30:32.660would be even the atheist the agnostic would have been included and i don't think there really were
00:30:37.180atheists but just hypothetically theoretically the atheist this is my point is it's a universal
00:30:42.480edict that sweeps the whole board, the whole gambit is caught up in this. So even if somebody
00:30:48.220wasn't religious and didn't believe there were any gods, the edict was you could not pray to any god
00:30:53.420or petition any man, both sides, except for you, O king, for 30 days. So for 30 days, no prayer,
00:31:01.640right? Just 30 days to stop the spread. So 30 days of no prayer and no petitioning any man,
00:31:08.900any person except for you oh king and here's a king who his friend is daniel he loves daniel
00:31:18.080but in that moment these wicked guys who hate daniel are are getting tricksy with the king
00:31:25.220and they're not coming directly and saying hey king you should do something bad to daniel right
00:31:31.020because then he'd say no daniel's my friend instead they're saying hey king you should do
00:31:34.940something good for yourself you should you should just make much of you and they're doing it in a
00:31:40.520roundabout indirect way to where the king actually signs off with his signet ring signs off on this
00:31:46.500edict and then immediately regrets it when he realizes oh no i didn't think about it i forgot
00:31:52.500that this edict affects my friends daniel will be affected by this edict because daniel's not
00:31:59.920going to stop praying i forgot daniel is a righteous man daniel is a hebrew daniel he prays
00:32:05.820three times every day with the windows open to heaven like and i just sealed the doom of my own
00:32:11.980friend and and so my point is yeah trump may be playing 40 chess but if that's the case then he
00:32:17.680needs to start playing you know 5d chess because he's not if he's cooking he's not cooking hot
00:32:23.120enough um because he's burning the kitchen down or he's yeah or he's cooking too hot you know one
00:32:28.340or the other because here's the deal if you're looking for ways mechanisms right if the end is
00:32:33.540i want to crush my enemies and the enemies are the blue-haired leftists um fine uh but the mechanism
00:32:40.700that you're employing this mechanism is not going to just crush your enemies it's going to crush all0.73
00:32:46.160the daniels in your kingdom it's going to crush all the faithful all your friends your friends0.72
00:32:52.660are going to get caught up in this as well and you might sit there and say well yeah but ultimately
00:32:57.060i get you know as king right i get to decide you know who the edict actually you know actually
00:33:02.500um goes into effect for and and then i can you know okay maybe but you're playing with fire and
00:33:10.020and you're bargaining and the chips that you're wagering are good americans salt of the earth
00:33:16.700christians the people who put you in office mr president are the ones that you are putting at
00:33:23.340risk on this particular wager and i would say too my counter to that so antonio that's a great point
00:33:29.300like well hey this is friend enemy we're leveling at the enemy but honestly we're getting closer and0.98
00:33:33.340closer and we saw with epstein trump attacking his own base as stupid for fixating it so if you0.97
00:33:39.020could imagine like you have a you have a you're on one side trench warfare the enemies on the other0.99
00:33:43.200and in between you have us the allies and at first all this gunfire is coming our way and it's like
00:33:47.560no no hold on that's to the enemy that's behind us in the trench that's who they're taking out
00:33:51.140But I think what's happening, and I'll show this graph and maybe we end this segment here, Trump's support.
00:33:56.980You can imagine like the trench, like people are kind of trying to evacuate, the bullets are getting closer.
00:34:01.180And for a second, it kind of feels like we're in the crossfire.
00:34:04.060Look at this approval of Donald Trump and his second term in his job performance, specifically 18 to 29-year-olds.
00:34:10.980So this is from January 20th when he's elected, when he inaugurates, goes in office, I'm sorry, to June 15th.
00:34:17.280Among 18 to 29-year-olds, it cratered 44 points.
00:34:20.220I think that's the decline so you have all these guys in the middle and it's like well Trump's he's
00:34:25.200going after the left and he's going after the Gavin Newsom's and he's going after the sanctuary
00:34:28.800cities well somewhere in that process he was just booed at a WWE wrestling event now WWE is not the
00:34:35.300most right-coded event I'll give you that but I mean a populist president who is cheered on at UFC
00:34:40.180he would enter with Tucker Carlson and Dana White they're now booing him at WWE his support is
00:34:45.900creating among the young people and i think millions and millions of americans are like
00:34:50.440hang on we're the ones that supported you we're the ones that are putting you in office
00:34:53.640but it turns out it's looking like the friend enemy distinction we're falling on the enemy side
00:34:58.200and it's over this israel thing antonio you got a final thought before we go to commercial
00:35:03.280no i i would say uh i'll you know that i think the daniel example is an apt analogy and i i think
00:35:10.140it's actually a white pill i think god delivers daniel and king darius recognizes that uh he had
00:35:15.300done something wrong, evil. But all this to say, no, I think this is absolutely right. I think
00:35:21.540this is something we ought to hold Trump on. We ought to be loud and vocal about. I think at the
00:35:25.620end of the day, Trump is a populist and he's going to respond to the squeaky wheel, so to speak.
00:35:29.500That's the wheel that's going to get the oil. And so we should be cognizant of like, this is really
00:35:36.560only growing in the last couple of years in terms of the widespread mainstream critiques on the
00:35:42.580right if not 18 months yeah years give it months that this has happened so we've got to give it a
00:35:47.780little bit of time for trump to hear hear the tune yeah and get and understand what's happening
00:35:52.660that's true at the end of the day he's a populist he cares about his legacy um and he's not he's
00:35:57.240going to go out swing to the to the end and so uh i'm still optimistic i think we've we've held
00:36:02.480them to account before on covid for example i think trump's covid policies in 2020 particularly
00:36:07.940And he did eventually drop that rhetoric for the longest time.
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00:42:53.600well over the weekend i don't know about you guys but i was feeling a bit of a sense of missing out
00:43:00.020So, El Salvador, you may remember, just as of about, I think it's just six years ago,
00:43:04.360they were one of the most dangerous places in the world to live.
00:43:06.460They did not have a flourishing economy.
00:51:20.180I'm with you in the sense that Trump is not the guy.
00:51:24.100And my conception, Trump was never the guy.
00:51:26.820But I do think he will be someone that is kind of a litmus test going forward.
00:51:34.220So in other words, in 2028, the Republican candidate, I think you're going to have two
00:51:37.760competing visions, one pro-Israel, one anti-Israel, one truly America first, and then one kind of0.58
00:51:44.220America slash Israel first. And I think both of them are going to compete for, you could say,0.74
00:51:50.520the succession of Trump. Both are going to say, in a similar fashion as you think of Caesar and
00:51:57.260the emperors that followed in the Roman Empire, all saying, I am the most like Caesar. I am the
00:52:05.540continuation of caesar i think there's going to be for for many uh many election cycles after trump
00:52:11.580in the republican party there's going to be that competition to say that this guy who turned
00:52:15.620everything around he was the beginning he was the 180 from this post-modern liberal uh agenda
00:52:22.820into something that's truly traditional truly in alignment with uh american values he was the guy
00:52:28.620who started it and i am going to finish it and i think that will be the claim for many years to
00:52:33.260come so i do so all that to say i'm with you i don't think trump's the guy but i certainly think
00:52:38.460that the guy will claim trump yeah it'll be kind of like at least 2.0 he probably will i think
00:52:46.900you're right he'll probably claim trump just you know unapologetically um he'll probably the next
00:52:53.460the next guy the 2028 guy will probably be a trump you know sycophant but um i think eventually what
00:52:59.960you'll have is a guy who uh doesn't claim trump but um but acknowledges trump you know so like
00:53:06.040even like a guy like nick fuentes still he didn't vote for trump he encouraged others not to vote
00:53:10.680for trump he wasn't saying vote for kamala but he said you know don't vote for trump kind of similar
00:53:14.940to you know the the same you know type of argument that the abolitionists were making during the
00:53:20.520election um nick fuentes abolitionist boom um you know on on that particular issue ironic a bit but
00:53:27.540um but they did hold the same position with hold your vote um that said even is against trump as
00:53:35.300you know nick has been he's still still to this day is regularly acknowledging um trump inspired
00:53:41.700all this trump inspired me you know him speaking of himself trump is the precursor trump was the
00:53:48.240um the you know what ignited uh the fire so he still gives trump credit as like trump started
00:53:54.920of this uh but he's he's not gonna finish it and that's the shot across the bow of a liberal order
00:53:59.540like this canon that rings out and it's like what was that yeah yeah no i was just gonna say like uh
00:54:04.580i can respect that position but it's like guys we're foolish if we like look at the way where
00:54:10.100we are today um with respect to rhetoric even just think about vibes think about rhetoric and how we0.53
00:54:15.560can talk we can say the word retard i mean like all this was not a given yeah this was truly not0.61
00:54:22.780a given five years ago and uh and there's one man that has been at the helm of saying hey we're
00:54:27.560going to be able to say this thing and i'm going to take a lot of flack for it now i look i haven't
00:54:31.840again i haven't drank the kool-aid i don't think uh you know trump like you said joel is a savior
00:54:37.040with any uh you know in any you know shape or form but i do recognize that we've seen a massive
00:54:45.440turnaround and then there's been a guy at the at the the fore of it so um i love this quote i've
00:54:51.780brought it up in the show before but this quote from robert e lee that's so good it says uh the
00:54:55.680march of providence is so slow and our desire so impatient the work of progress is so immense and
00:55:00.880our means of aiding it so feeble the life of humanity is so long and that of the individual
00:55:05.220so brief that we often see only the ebb of the advancing wave and are thus discouraged it is
00:55:10.280history that teaches us to hope what if the last i mean since you could go back multiple world
00:55:15.440World Wars, honestly, to the Civil War. L, L, L, losing just the American Christian hegemony
00:55:23.540that we had. But what if that's the receding wave for people to realize, hold on, this thing that0.71
00:55:27.760we started, it seemed like, well, of course, they would set up a flourishing society that would do
00:55:31.980well and have a great economy. But what if all of those battles that we went through and all the
00:55:36.940losses we had to realize like, oh my goodness, this thing that we created is so precious and
00:55:42.320people ruling themselves versus having to have the monarch come in and say you're going to get in
00:55:46.580line all of this centuries of a receding wave of difficulty of setbacks before the blessing of
00:55:53.340providence and people say what we have we are going to defend it and if possible and honestly
00:55:58.700ministries like this books that can be written these can point out don't make this mistake don't
00:56:03.260make this mistake we thought like heart cellar was supposed to not change the fabric of america
00:56:07.920at all. As it was being written, they're saying, hey, you're worried about this. Guys, this is not
00:56:12.540going to change America. We're just going to shift some stuff up with immigration. But we can sound0.59
00:56:17.440a warning for generations, hundreds of years of our four of our descendants, Christian ones,1.00
00:56:23.420hopefully. Hey, we know better than to do that. We know those perils. I think it's Aquinas who1.00
00:56:28.860says that nature will ridicule the invention of men. So the capitalism, oh, we've got this
00:56:35.760invention now that it's going to bring peace and it's going to bring prosperity to the world
00:56:39.800um and uh by the way we don't need any kind of distinctions anymore as a consequence everyone's
00:56:45.420just going to live you know it's all a rising tide's going to lift all boats and it's like well
00:56:48.940nature proves that false and i think time and time again we learn through this recursiveness
00:56:53.820uh in history about you know nature's you know prominence and uh undeniability and uh and we
00:57:02.780can't fight nature now obviously systems and inventions that we've created can be in alignment
00:57:07.160with nature and be good for uh for man but uh essentially yeah i agree essentially i think what
00:57:12.800both of you are saying is that um it's the ebbs and flows that are inevitable in god's providence
00:57:17.700throughout human history that the kingdom advances and it does so progressively but it does so
00:57:23.060gradually and it doesn't do it doesn't do it perfectly without any setbacks along the way
00:57:28.260So like COVID is a great case study in the micro, and what you guys are describing with the Heart Cellar Act and some of these things would be what we hope and pray and even think will be, even to the level of confidence of predicting, will be a case study in the macro, right?
00:57:44.820So COVID, what I mean by that is it kind of took the left seemingly having a temporary total victory, right?
00:57:54.400A high watermark in 2020 and 2021 between COVID and St. George Floyd and BLM and all these things.
00:58:01.300It kind of took that for us to realize, whoa, never again.
00:58:06.720and in some sense it may also likewise take you know 60 years of mass immigration and people you
00:58:16.720know america losing its identity and uh and an entire generation not being able to afford
00:58:23.280a home and a family for us to realize whoa never again and to get serious and make the changes
00:58:30.420necessary what you're kind of referring to is patterns within patterns and smaller shorter
00:58:34.280patterns, COVID. Maybe call that a five-year cycle, a five-year rise and then fall. With
00:58:38.660wokeness, a 15-year one. With Hart Seller and with the boomer generation, they're passing away0.58
00:58:43.040a 60-year. You could have 250-year cycles. You could call it the French Revolution. Well, hey,
00:58:48.440instead of God, instead of the Bible, we have human reason and rationalism. But all of those
00:58:53.460converging to come to a moment where kind of at the same time, interestingly, they're all kind
00:58:57.720collapsing i mean from 2023 to 2025 young men 18 to 29 moved 44 points to the right 44 points to
00:59:07.680the right a fundamental realignment of political politics that you just this didn't happen in 2008
00:59:13.960right obama didn't get in there was a a economic crash and disaster and it's like a young man just
00:59:19.920shifted by 44 points i don't think this has happened in anybody's lifetime and so then you
00:59:25.440pair it up and the boomer generation is passing away and and immigration i mean to be fair like
00:59:30.660trump ran on the biggest issue mass deportation and an end to the immigration so it's immigration
00:59:36.200all the way back for a lot of us hey we indulged in rationalism and reason put aside god said we
00:59:42.500can do the state we can do government we can do that ourselves and wouldn't be amazing if in a
00:59:48.040generation we see all of them swept away like rocks at the beach for a real lasting order to
00:59:53.160be established it's not all these all these psych historical cycles inflect at the same point and
00:59:58.440which has happened in history before and i think those are the times that you think back you know
01:00:02.380like uh you could say the american revolution and and i i think these these things uh uh you have
01:00:07.920these big big large cycle inflections and uh that those are the points in history that we're most
01:00:14.100fond of and i think we've learned the most from and the 250 year mark um that that's a big one um
01:00:22.000also the 80 year mark there's a lot like you think of like okay 80 years ago world war ii 80 years
01:00:27.660before that civil war 80 years before that you know the war for independence like that seems
01:00:31.640right as long as we're noticing it seems like there's a bit of a pattern there and we're 80
01:00:36.380years in world war ii i know exactly that's my point and so if i think that you you could argue
01:00:41.720you know if you're a student of history that you know there are like macro 250 year cycles
01:00:46.240there are smaller 80 year cycles there are smaller smaller 40 year cycles 40 and then 12 year cycles
01:00:52.820and then like four year cycles and we've just kind of been talking about the four year cycle for the
01:00:57.480past few what two three four decades right you know like uh and it's and it's kind of like the
01:01:02.900ping pong ball just bouncing back and forth you know republicans democrats republicans democrats
01:01:07.460and they're both you know just two sides of the same coin but meanwhile what i think we can miss
01:01:38.840So it's like, we're moving left for four years
01:01:40.440and then we're moving right for four years.
01:01:41.760meanwhile that whole thing has also been moving left for 40 years and then is about to and then
01:01:46.900that whole thing you know in an 80 year cycle and a 250 year cycle and it could just you know kind
01:01:52.200of like a like some kind of like uh i don't even know the i'm i don't know the word of like when
01:01:57.020when this planet on its cycle lines up with this other one on this longer cycle and it's like it
01:02:03.460only happens once every you know bajillion years you know that like saturn and venus and this and
01:02:09.660we could politically see something like that happen in our lifetime something that people
01:02:15.560typically have to wait centuries for yeah um could actually have occur in our lifetime it's
01:02:23.160not unthinkable and so i think it's it's foolish and i'll also go ahead and say it a little bit
01:02:28.000stronger i think it is explicitly unchristian no matter what generation you live in um to not
01:02:34.300have hope right we're christians we hope the lord can win by many he can win by few and we don't
01:02:40.840know when he will bring about the victory right it's not by might nor by power nor by our sacred
01:02:46.120democracy or elections but by my spirit says the lord and we don't know when he can we know he can
01:02:51.480do it we don't know when he will do it so i think we should always be hopeful that maybe he'll do it
01:02:56.260soon maybe he'll do it now maybe he'll do it with us and so we're always hopeful and at the same
01:03:01.700time um hope hope can become a euphemism for foolishness or madness hope can be a euphemism
01:03:09.720for madness and wisdom can be a euphemism for fear i'm just being wise no you're being afraid
01:03:14.900you're being a coward you're not you're not hedging your bets in wisdom you're hedging your
01:03:18.580bets in fear so so don't don't say well i'm just um i'm i i i just don't want a white pill i'm not0.92
01:03:24.760black pilled you know i'm just hedging my bets like don't don't do either like don't don't do
01:03:29.700either. Don't say you're being wise, but really you're being cowardly. And don't say, I'm just0.99
01:03:34.800being hopeful, but really you're being naive. You're being insane. You're being foolish. And0.99
01:03:40.280so we're doing our best, by the grace of God, to fall into neither ditch on either side of the road
01:03:45.560and say, no, God really could change everything, and he could do it in our lifetime. And also,
01:03:51.400if he doesn't, right now, things are not headed in a great direction. Things are really, really,
01:03:58.240really rough and and every election cycle uh we are simply choosing between the lesser of two evils
01:04:05.520and and the lesser portion is like a freckle in a hair right so 10 taxes versus 12 yeah we've got
01:04:14.780it now yeah yep all right let's go to our last commercial break and then we will be right back
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01:07:47.120When a party is split between its wing that's kind of moving and has the youth and the energy
01:07:51.000that was left with kind of wokeness 2020, 2024, and kind of an establishment.
01:07:55.740I mean, I think of the neocons, a lot of them like Nikki Haley, Mark Levin and others, they folded under MAGA.
01:08:01.100You're going to kind of have a MAGA neocon assembly.
01:08:04.900Probably J.D. Vance is going to be the forerunner for that.
01:08:07.700And then you might have, and hopefully it's not third party, but it possibly could be another candidate that says both of these, as we've been saying, they're two sides of the same coin.
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01:13:21.100Pastor Joel, would you lead Right Response Ministries to establish a covenantal, confessional, reformed, patriarchal, Christian town in Texas for agrarian tech, multi-generational families living fully under King Jesus as a nation-building blueprint?