C.S. Lewis once warned us that famished nature will be avenged, and a hard heart is no infallible protection against a soft head. In other words, Nature always finds a way. This means, for example, that feminism can never last, and when it ends, it will end with a vengeance. The same goes for nationalism, tradition, and all the other ways that modernity seeks to make men without chests.
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00:00:26.820C.S. Lewis once warned us that famished nature will be avenged, and a hard heart is no infallible
00:00:35.520protection against a soft head. In other words, nature always finds a way. This means, for example,
00:00:42.880that feminism can never last, and when it ends, it will end with a vengeance. The same goes for1.00
00:00:49.840nationalism, tradition, and all the other ways that modernity seeks to make men without chests.
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00:01:38.260We're back. We are back. Our very own Wesley Todd has been tasked with outlining and preparing all
00:01:46.040the stats and the quotes and everything for this episode. So he's going to go ahead and kick it
00:01:51.060off. All right. Well, first thing I would say, CS Lewis says this, I think it's on, uh, on the
00:01:55.680incarnation, but in the introduction, he says, you've got to be reading old books. You need to
00:02:00.180be old book maxing. And, uh, if you look so far a theme, I mean, we're only a couple of weeks into
00:02:05.340the new year, but a big one has been nature. Like that is just the avenue of attack nature, nature,
00:02:10.300nature, men, women, nationalism, tradition, modernity. Uh, so we've been talking a lot
00:02:13.900about it. And as I've read, C.S. Lewis, certainly. I mean, you've got to always be reading some type
00:02:18.720of C.S. Lewis book on repeat, Great Divorce for the Fifth Time, Abolition of Man. But C.S. Lewis,
00:02:24.980Dabney, and some other guys, they had a different perspective on nature because really it's the
00:02:30.100Industrial Revolution that begins to make possible some of the kind of modern horrors that we would
00:02:34.660see today. So I think of the birth control pill, for example. The birth control pill upends nature.
00:02:40.140It takes an act that mathematically always has the potential for new life.
00:02:45.260And it takes it and through mechanical, artificial, hormonal suppressant means,
00:02:49.880denies an act, the nature, the intention of an act to come to its completion.
00:02:55.260And so the industrial evolution, technological innovation, all sorts of medicine
00:02:59.040have made possible this concept of the suppression of nature.
00:03:04.520I mean, castration, for example, we do that via chemicals.
00:03:09.320we've talked about the birth control pill, even just getting people inside. What an unnatural
00:03:14.300thing is to take people and to sit them under artificial, blue, cold, fluorescent lights all
00:03:20.580day. That's their job. And then they go from the fluorescent lights looking at the big screen
00:03:24.660to the warm lights looking at the little screen. And that's their life back and forth, back and
00:03:29.260forth. And in all of these, the core theme is taking nature and taking how man was designed
00:03:34.500to live, how God designed man to live, not just a natural man's reason, man's ideas of the best,
00:03:39.820but man, God designed man to live and taking it and pushing it under. And these old authors,
00:03:45.540they recognize that if you do that, like a beach ball and you take it at the beach and you push it
00:03:49.980down under the water, it doesn't just stay there eventually. But if you held it down for 30 minutes,
00:03:54.960an hour, an hour and a half, that it wouldn't just eventually accept, well, it looks like all my
00:03:59.100oxygen i'm just gonna gonna hang out here no in time and the farther you go the worse it's going
00:04:04.600to be nature physics reality it's going to come back with a vengeance that you can't forever
00:04:11.000deny it i'm gonna read a quote here this is from c.s lewis the abolition of man it's all about this
00:04:16.920concept the abolition of man and he says education is one of these tools that we take to try to deny
00:04:21.960man his manliness how he was made to be c.s lewis says there's an abolition of man and all the
00:04:29.080time such as the tragedy comedy of our situation we continue to clamor for those very qualities we
00:04:34.280are rendering impossible you can hardly open a periodical without coming across the statement
00:04:38.600that what our civilization really needs is more drive or dynamism or self-sacrifice or creativity
00:04:44.520in sort of a ghastly simplicity we remove the organ and demand the function we make men without
00:04:50.120chests and expect of them virtue and enterprise we laugh at honor and are shocked to find traitors
00:04:55.480in our midst. We castrate and bind the geldings and bid them to be fruitful. And then Aldous1.00
00:05:00.560Huxley, he said this in Brave New World, not a Christian author, but still observing something0.99
00:05:05.280true. Reality cannot be ignored except at a price. And the longer that ignorance is persisted in,
00:05:12.320the higher and more terrible becomes the price that needs to be paid. And so in the second
00:05:17.620segments, I'm going to get into some of the mechanics that it is that nature is going to
00:05:21.340actually have its vengeance. And we'll talk specifics on men and women, I think especially
00:05:25.780globalism, naturalism, nationalism, modernity to tradition, some of those specifics in the third
00:05:31.480segment. But really just want to get the idea across that man cannot eternally suppress what
00:05:37.040it is that God has made him to be, that he cannot destroy it. But Joel, you've said this many times,
00:05:42.260nature finds a way, life finds a way, and you just can't simply get around the way that God
00:05:48.080has made the world. A prophet from Jurassic Park, once life finds a way. Yeah, nature is going to
00:05:54.280come back, and the longer it's suppressed, and the more severely it's suppressed, the more vengeance
00:06:01.620it will return with. And that's, you know, I keep saying it's not whether but which, it's not whether
00:06:07.300we'll have nationalism. Nationalism is God's design. He sets up nations, their times, their
00:06:12.380boundaries, all these things. We find that in Acts chapter 17. So nationalism will return,
00:06:17.400globalism is not natural. It's not just that it's immoral, but it's also not natural. So globalism
00:06:24.020will not be able to, it's not sustainable. It's not viable, not long-term. There will be a return
00:06:29.200to nationalism. The return will be swift. It will be severe. And the question is not whether we'll
00:06:35.640return to nationalism, but simply which kind of nationalism we'll return to. My prediction is it
00:06:41.780will be one of three. Christian nationalism, Islamic nationalism, or a pagan nationalism.0.51
00:06:50.340There could be other options. I think those are probably the big three. But you're going to get0.84
00:06:55.740one of those. And so Christians are either going to take the reins and rise up and exercise godly,0.67
00:07:01.440righteous courage and say, no, no, no, no. The Bible esteems nationalism. And here's how to do0.93
00:07:08.040a christian nationalism how to do it righteously or christians are going to say christian nationalism1.00
00:07:13.560is icky and uh the muslims will install nationalism as they slowly take over the0.99
00:07:19.240country or there'll be a complete you know um reverting back to um a kind of pre-world religion1.00
00:07:26.960um pagan nationalism uh but the world has always known nationalism and uh and we'll have a return
00:07:33.660Same thing with patriarchy. We're going to get not whether but which. We're going to get patriarchy. Feminism is not viable. It's not sustainable. It won't last long term. The Industrial Revolution and these kinds of things, modern inventions and innovation helped it to look sustainable for a time because the average vocation was no longer something that was physical labor and involved and required a certain measure of physical strength.
00:07:59.640And so, you know, you could have women in the workplace because the workplace happened to have HVAC, you know, and it was pencil pushing, you know, and bean counting instead of something that's, you know, with your hands.0.53
00:08:10.220And so the industrial age made feminism appear viable, but long term, it's not.0.98
00:08:16.160And so there's going to be a reverting back to patriarchy.0.96
00:08:20.160And when it happens, it won't be whether it happens, but simply which patriarchy will we have?0.52
00:08:25.360we'll have biblical patriarchy, or we'll have a pagan patriarchy, or we'll have an Islamic
00:08:31.020patriarchy, something. But it's going to return. And part of what I'm advocating for is, one,0.87
00:08:37.640because of fidelity to Scripture and desiring to be faithful and obedient to God and His design
00:08:43.380for the world, that's preeminent. That's the first priority. But then secondarily, because
00:08:48.220these things, I believe, are inevitable, because it's the way that God structured the world,
00:08:52.400and you can only go against the grain for so long until things snap back into their natural order
00:08:58.080that God designed because God created the world and there is a natural order to that. I predict
00:09:04.700that there will be a return to patriarchy and nationalism, other things as well. And so,
00:09:09.840I've been trying to advocate and encourage Christians first in obedience to God, but then
00:09:15.380secondly, in a pragmatic sense, but I think it's a righteous, permissible pragmatism, even
00:09:20.360obligatory pragmatism to beat the culture to the punch instead of the church always following the
00:09:26.980culture, right? The church, you know, enters into wokeness, you know, because the culture did. And
00:09:31.980then the culture is already reverting back. The culture, in many ways at the macro level,
00:09:39.160the culture is already done with wokeness. And in some sense, you can make an argument that
00:09:43.300wokeness is actually being entertained at this point more, not less, but more in the church than
00:09:49.180it is with the culture, because the culture is ahead of schedule. The culture is, you know,
00:09:54.440the tail is wagging the dog, the culture is leading the church. And so the culture is already
00:09:58.880snapping back into the culture is recognizing we have, we have people on the massive, you know,
00:10:06.020political stage, you know, actually acknowledging and naming the liberal global order as something
00:10:15.160that's negative. And so, there is a reverting back to nationalism and I think a renouncing
00:10:22.300of feminism and these things. And if the church doesn't get ahead of it, if the church
00:10:26.880is still, you know, trying to carve out some third way, some middle, you know, ground of
00:10:34.300complementarianism or whatever, and saying, oh, you know, patriarchy is icky and nationalism0.51
00:10:39.820is icky, well, then the culture will once again beat the church to the punch. And if the culture
00:10:45.760beats us, reverting back to God's natural order, then the culture will also be the one that decides
00:10:51.620and determines what kind of nationalism we'll have, what kind of patriarchy we'll have. And
00:10:56.460it won't be Christian if all the Christians are still over here denouncing nationalism and0.98
00:11:02.000denouncing patriarchy because it's icky. And the whole irony is that so much of that is out of the0.90
00:11:07.640fear of man, the desire to garner the praise of man. But the people that we're trying to please
00:11:16.200have actually already, they've already switched allegiances. And so you're still trying to appease
00:11:21.840to woke culture. Woke culture is dead. It already lost. It had its hitting. Yeah. Right. I mean,
00:11:29.480it's still kind of the body, the head has been completely severed and removed and the body's
00:11:33.160still flapping. The nerve endings are still just this involuntary thrashing, but it's in the death
00:11:39.700throes. Woke culture lost, but the church, because it doesn't exercise sincere, genuine, righteous
00:11:47.520courage, and rather so often is trying to appease man rather than God, the church, not only does it
00:11:55.140fail to be faithful to Christ by choosing to please man over God, but it actually doesn't
00:12:01.080even please man because often in his attempts to please man it it um it's it's almost constantly
00:12:08.220at least for the last 50 and you could argue even 130 years here in the west and particularly
00:12:12.300america it's behind the times it's always behind the culture so the church is literally choosing
00:12:17.440faithlessness not faithfulness but faithlessness to christ um in in favor of of pleasing the world
00:12:25.620and the church doesn't even do that it doesn't even please the world it's trying to please the
00:12:29.720world as it was in 2019 when now it's like it's 2025 donald trump is is president you got pete uh
00:12:39.900pete uh hedge hedge seth um you say hegg i say hedge which one is right tomato tomato one of the
00:12:46.620two i'm gonna say very least um but like my point is the culture is already radically pivoted and so
00:12:53.500the church not only is it failing to be faithful to christ by choosing the the approval of man over
00:12:58.340the approval of god but it's it's actually missing both because it's approving to uh the world a
00:13:04.740worldly culture that is already already shifted wes you mentioned the beach ball and i think it's
00:13:10.740important to pause there for a minute because when you think about a beach ball and the ocean there
00:13:15.700is a natural state that is proper the natural state is that the beach ball would float on top
00:13:22.100top of the water. And that's what the laws of, you know, buoyancy and volume and all of those
00:13:30.220things demand. And that law can be suppressed. But the point is, it takes pressure to suppress
00:13:37.760that law, right? It takes a lot of pressure. And if you think about a kid with his beach ball,
00:13:43.300he has to really push that thing down. And sometimes it goes down slowly, right? But the
00:13:49.560the amount of effort that it takes to revert back to the state of nature and we don't mean a hobbesian
00:13:55.740state of nature here we mean the the rules of reality um the the amount of effort that it takes
00:14:01.820to return that situation to the laws of physics is almost none right it just it just pops straight
00:14:09.320up and in fact if we're not careful um we'll take out a podcast mike if we're not careful what will
00:14:16.460happen is the return and joel you've said it and the question is just how much will be violent
00:14:20.060and i think in some ways one of the things that we need to think about as christians is
00:14:24.380how can we return that beach ball to its floating status but like ease it back up so that it's not
00:14:31.780a cannonball explosion that's creating you know this huge splash but on its own that is what will
00:14:38.760happen eventually the boy who's holding the ball under the water will get tired he'll let go it'll
00:14:43.120slip through his fingers, and it'll come exploding out of the water again. That's well stated. In my
00:14:47.640opinion, the way to reinstate the natural, you know, state wisely, carefully, in a way that it
00:14:56.120doesn't just launch up and overreact, overcompensate, in my opinion, the only way to do that
00:15:02.940is not for the church to act in mitigated measures. It's for the church simply to act
00:15:12.360urgently and what i mean by that is right now you still have the culture outside of the church
00:15:17.720suppressing the beach ball and pushing it down and so what what the church the opportunity the
00:15:23.620church has now is while the culture is still putting pressure downward the church can be
00:15:28.600pushing upward but if you wait for the culture just to stop pushing at all yeah then it's gonna
00:15:35.180launch up so i i don't think it's uh so how do we restore god's natural order uh wisely to where
00:15:41.900there's not an overreaction. I, ironically, I don't think the solution is for the church
00:15:46.360to be mitigated in its efforts or to hedge its bets or to be reserved. I think it's actually,
00:15:52.500ironically, it's the opposite. It's for the church to go, to go hard and fast, uh, for the church to
00:15:58.760say, no, we want repentance. And when do we want it? Now we want, uh, the restoration of God's
00:16:04.860design for the world. We want father rule, um, biblical patriarchy, according to God's principles.
00:16:10.400We want nationalism, but we want Christian nationalism according to God's law.
00:16:15.040And we want these things, we want them now.
00:16:17.340And to speak out and to do that urgently, boldly, quickly.
00:16:23.460And that would be a force pushing up on the beach ball while it still has resistance from
00:25:06.720that's the default state took decades of work to try to make it like no this is beautiful and
00:25:11.180lovely and all of that and i think there's literally people that like it all came unraveled
00:25:17.000they just heard a statistic like that race isn't real well 99 of cornerbacks in the nfl are black
00:25:22.720a position prized for speed and athletic ability oh wait yeah race is real it's it's it's a real
00:25:29.140category so there's tons of different things you could say oh my goodness it took so long to weave
00:25:33.480this lie i now see that it's a lie but we're in for the long haul to try to undo this i have the
00:25:38.620point we're making since we're going to take it took them 40 years it'll take us 40 years the
00:25:42.820point is the point i'm making it's not going to take us 40 it's not going to take us 20 it could
00:25:47.080legitimately take four that's what you have to see is is things change quickly they really do
00:25:54.380and so don't when you box yourself into when you're changing stuck yeah so change period can
00:26:01.000be quick, but especially when you're, when the particular change that is in mind is a change,
00:26:06.700uh, of reverting back to the natural order. Exactly. You know, like, so you think of like,
00:26:11.840um, how, how, you know, how long it would take, um, in the Sahara desert to, you know, uh, pipe
00:26:19.660in water and, you know, do, do plumbing and then set up, you know, uh, buildings and structures
00:26:25.100and put HVAC and all these kinds of things in order to create an environment that's,
00:26:30.000you know 68 degrees with zero humidity namely inside um that like that that would take you
00:26:38.540know months arguably years if you're building you know like a whole town um in order to establish
00:26:44.920to create that environment that is contrary to the natural habitat and the natural environment
00:26:52.280um but in order for that that space those cubic feet inside of a structure that's
00:26:58.240as insulation and electric and plumbing and hvac and all these things that 68 degrees and zero
00:27:03.640humidity for it to revert back to 110 degrees degrees and the natural like um you can do that
00:27:10.740uh without with very little skill and very little time you can do that with a sledgehammer
00:27:15.400yep um and in an afternoon exactly um and so that like that's what we're talking about is we're
00:27:20.520talking about not just change in general change in general in either direction can uh at times
00:27:26.460very often be surprising in terms of its speed, but change in the right direction, going with the
00:27:34.220grain instead of against it, that change can happen rapidly. It doesn't take much. All it
00:27:39.660takes is a few, and in some cases even just one, major event. I mean, think of the change that
00:27:47.800we're already experiencing. So much of it is because of COVID and BLM, that the left overplayed
00:27:53.080its hand the flu and a fake $20 bill yep the flu and a fake $20 bill right changed the world the0.76
00:28:00.280world and rapidly rapidly and so all you're talking about is is you know a few or even just
00:28:07.520one significant event that just lays bare um the reality and actual statistics of this or that or
00:28:15.140whatever, and all of a sudden, boom, it's over. But if the church can do its weekly work of law
00:28:26.480and gospel and discipleship and training and preaching and teaching and being a prophetic
00:28:31.760voice in the culture to shape hearts and minds in the meantime, before that cultural, you know,
00:28:38.900ground-shaking event actually takes place in the province of God, if the church can be pushing the
00:28:44.480culture, a little bit, you know, from being five feet under the water, going back to the beach ball
00:28:48.720illustration, to being one foot under the water, like a little bit closer to the surface, so that
00:28:54.400when the event happens, it pops up, you know, but it's only got another foot to go instead of five
00:28:59.760feet to go, then that will make all the difference in the world in, you know, setting up a hedge and
00:29:07.320a protection against, you know, overreactions. Your sledgehammer comment, by the way, just
00:29:12.560totally a side comment is uh the reason why i'm not optimistic about us colonizing mars
00:29:18.100that's true yeah right like to cultivate it and make it uh you know a hospitable habitat environment
00:29:27.080um takes just unfathomable amounts and and arguably even non-existent it may not even
00:29:36.500be possible but even if it is just um incredible amounts of effort um for it to revert back
00:29:44.000to the status that it currently is that is you know not uh not you know where no living thing
00:29:52.100can thrive or last more than a few seconds um all that takes is just one one event just convinced
00:29:59.400me out of mars colonization although to be fair people would have said like oh all of this like
00:30:06.100a car you're telling me just every single piece has to work well no way we'd be able to do it
00:30:10.120you're right but um right and tied to that reality piece is a public opinion like when something's
00:30:15.380silly yeah it really takes sometimes just one person a powerful person to stand up and say
00:30:21.220the emperor has no clothes i think of women serving in in office there was a state representative1.00
00:30:26.360sorry federal representative so at the federal level and uh she's eight months pregnant so she1.00
00:30:31.120she can no longer go to vote and she's sponsoring these bipartisan legislation so new parents can0.99
00:30:36.640like who are congressmen or or women can vote when they're new parents all it's gonna take
00:30:43.840and she got a bunch of backlash for it and i think more will come is a bunch of people to stand up1.00
00:30:48.240and go wait do i want an eight month pregnant woman uh voting on legislation and deciding1.00
00:30:54.240different economic rule of law and civil things for our nation of course not that's stupid1.00
00:31:01.680because and here's the deal well women should serve an office i love her and her child enough1.00
00:31:06.960do you know that the dramatic effects of stress on infant mortality birth weight birth uh
00:31:12.720complications in birth because i care about that woman and her child so much i eagerly desire that
00:31:18.080all through her pregnancy she be at home with her husband not traveling and enjoying time with her
00:31:23.520her child. And, and that example, like we need this legislation so that I can work 12 hour days
00:31:29.140at the Capitol and then an eight months pregnant that last month, my pregnancy go home and be0.73
00:31:33.500voting remotely. Uh, what if Elon Musk just stood up and said, that's stupid. Why are women1.00
00:31:39.400politicians? Like that's how close we are, especially with, with, with platforms that1.00
00:31:44.020are uncensored and things like that. So don't lose heart Christian. Um, you can just, for one,
00:31:48.860you can just say things are stupid and as enough people and influential people say things are0.99
00:31:53.300stupid the right way public opinion most people they are not we talked about this a couple weeks0.99
00:31:58.460ago yeah so grounded and so principled that i would never fly that flag or whatever it's not1.00
00:32:03.420principle no no most most people i mean the the harsh reality but it's it's god's world he designed
00:32:10.280it hierarchy is inescapable um most people are not rulers and for a reason most people are not fit
00:32:16.360to rule and uh and so the reality is you know we have so many seminars and books that are written
00:32:21.980and even the church and its focus on, you know, leadership and leadership and leadership.
00:32:25.940But the reality is that not everybody is a leader.
00:32:28.400The vast majority of people are not leaders.
00:32:30.280I think that every man is called by God to be able to be a leader of some level in his
00:32:35.020home, with his wife, with his children.
00:32:37.220But the reality is that the vast majority of the population are not leaders.
00:32:42.200And all it really requires, like this idea that, you know, that I've got to, you know,
00:32:47.600in order to make change, we have to have the majority.
00:32:49.620It's got to be 50% plus one, you know, and in order to have the majority, it all has to, you know, facts don't care about feelings, you know, and so it's got to be, you know, logical, factual arguments that ultimately change people's minds and persuade people, convince people, and you have to do that, you know, one heart and one mind at a time, all the way down the line until you get 50% of the population plus one.
00:33:10.760And that's not the way that change works. It's just not. Um, most people, you know, like, and I don't mean to be rude by this, but it's just one of the best illustrations, you know, to, to make the point. Most people are NPCs, you know, they're, they're non-player character, you know, like that's, it's a term that comes from video games, you know, where you're walking around and like, it might be a multiplayer video game and you're, you know, you're linked up and playing online.
00:33:34.600And so there's other people where there's a real human being, you know, behind the controller, controlling that avatar.
00:33:39.540But most of the people in the game are not actually human players.
00:33:46.840And they're just doing whatever they're programmed in that particular moment by the computer, not a person, but by the computer to do.
00:33:53.760And so, too, it is with the population of the world that most people are NPCs.
00:33:58.880In other words, all you have to do, back to the Kamala and Trump example, is, you know, you've got all these teenage girls saying, you know, she's so brat, you know, and doing their TikTok dance videos.
00:34:09.360And just like a computer, all you do is all of a sudden, you know, Kamala doesn't just lose in the electoral vote, but also the popular vote.0.98
00:34:16.820And a bunch of things are exposed of how, you know, ridiculous and unintelligent she really is.0.98
00:34:21.540And not just that she's unintelligent on the merits of arguments, but she's no longer cool.0.93
00:34:26.380and just like that overnight it's as though you know millions of teenage girls you know had the0.67
00:34:32.860back of their head opened up and the and the she's so brat kamala chip is taken out and then the trump
00:34:39.700you know dance chip is put in and all of a sudden like i i've seen this with even you know people0.53
00:34:46.600that i know especially teenagers that were like oh we hate trump we hate and now like like you
00:34:52.260could not get them to admit that they didn't like trump right because it's not cool even in high
00:34:56.940schools even like like it's not it's not nobody is admitting that they were uh for kamala and i
00:35:02.180remember they all were for kamala they were all for kamala and now they're like oh yeah we always
00:35:06.180knew that she was dumb and trump is really cool you know like um why because of uh facts don't0.89
00:35:12.100care about your feelings because people made factual no we we've been making factual arguments0.99
00:35:17.040for trump since 2015 like well he's you know a convicted felon well but here's actually the
00:35:22.680court case and here's the evidence and here's you know nobody cared it's not that the factual
00:35:27.380arguments all of a sudden began to work and that people were intellectually convinced no that's not
00:35:32.200what happened what happened was not that you persuaded people what happened is that you beat
00:35:36.800people somebody won and the moment that someone wins a minority actually it doesn't take a majority
00:35:43.840But the moment that a minority group of people sees power and effectively and sufficiently win,
00:35:52.480then all the NPCs, the chip gets switched, and they fall in line.
00:35:56.920That's the way the world works, like it or not.
00:35:59.420Now, that's not the way conversion works, so the church still has its job, right?
00:36:03.100So before, we're trying to, you know, in terms of the gospel and matters that are spiritual and eternal,
00:36:07.940we're trying to convince a bunch of Kamala voters that they need to believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and repent of their sin.
00:36:13.560And now we're going to be trying to convince a lot of Trump voters that they need, like, so they still need salvation.
00:36:19.480Like, that's something that is one heart and one mind at a time, that the Holy Spirit has to do working in conjunction with the church and with Christians and the proclamation of the gospel and all these things.
00:36:29.080So, that's inescapable, and that is a long, that is a 40-year, you know, or 400-year, you know, work of the mustard seed that doesn't overnight, but slowly and progressively grows into a tree, or the leaven that has to work progressively, you know, gradually through the whole batch of dough.
00:36:47.520that's gospel ministry. That's hearts and minds in an eternal spiritual sense. But in the temporal
00:36:53.260world, if we're speaking of not soteriology, salvation theology, but we're speaking of
00:37:00.120political philosophy and how cultures change and how politics change, that's a power dynamic.
00:37:05.940That's different. It's a different category. Yep. Michael, any thoughts?
00:37:11.160Only that I was going to say something similar to what you said, Wes, but it bears thinking about
00:37:17.040um the fact that most people really will just do um it's interesting right because we we said
00:37:27.360before the election that um you know taylor swift controlled up to a fifth of the uh the vote in
00:37:34.700america yeah so well that that i don't think is the case anymore i bet that statistic is just poof
00:37:39.960gone and so i remember lost yeah well that's my point i remember being a little bit blackpilled
00:37:45.140before the election thinking like it doesn't matter how many people we convince because
00:37:48.680taylor swift is going to say this and a fifth of the country is going to vote for kamala well
00:37:53.500that's that's gone in less than a few months right so just just to bring it back to where
00:37:57.980you started this segment west is um it can happen very quickly and the reason why it can happen very
00:38:03.180quickly is because people are political animals and to go back to the beach ball because the
00:38:09.220beach ball wants to get back to the surface right yep yeah we're talking about change but we're
00:38:13.680talking about changing things with the grain, going back to God's natural order, not against
00:38:19.460it. And so we have God on our side. If the Lord before us, who can be against us? The Lord can
00:38:25.060win by few or by many. And so we have that. But we also, I think what Christians neglect is that
00:38:30.980not only do we have the spirit of God, not by might nor by power, but by my spirit, says the
00:38:35.280Lord, not by sheer numbers, 50% plus one, but by the spirit of God. But in addition, we also have
00:38:41.600not only the spirit of god but the world of god not word of god we have that but we also have the
00:38:47.580the world of god meaning the world that god made we we don't not only have god on our side but
00:38:52.360because we have god on our side we also have nature on our side because nature is subservient
00:38:57.760it's in service of god of christ nature obeys god's rules and so we we are working um with god
00:39:05.760but we're also working with nature whereas all those in rebellion towards god are working against
00:39:11.260the grain and that's why it takes a long march through the institutions to get a bunch of people
00:39:16.320to think marxism is a good idea it does not take a long march through the institutions to get them0.97
00:39:22.460to see that gay communism is a bad idea yep we'll go to our last commercial break and we'll come1.00
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00:41:49.180in javelin throwing and you're training. I'm going to pretend you're not.
00:41:53.060this is a fantastic analogy guys so i just heard it once beforehand i'm already excited he's already
00:41:59.500heard it once he's singing its praises so i'm not now i'm hoping i don't change it somehow in the
00:42:03.420midst but um and you're you're practicing for javelin throwing that's going to be your olympic
00:42:07.360sport you're competing in and you step up and and you make your your first throw whatever the weight
00:42:12.800would be whatever the target would be and you are off base we're not talking like the bullseyes here
00:42:17.880you're just outside right on the line we're talking missing the target what's your next
00:42:23.520adjustment two to three degrees two to three inches given that you have limited shots giving
00:42:28.800you have limited very important in this analogy exactly given given all these different variables
00:42:33.560what do you as it aim small miss small you're aiming big so you don't miss big as the you can
00:42:41.060do the pendulum you can do the beach ball you can do uh the javelin throwing you could do archery
00:42:45.560same thing when you're trying to return with a big difference wide births because you've been
00:42:51.580way off you don't have the luxury of the nuances the subtleties the small adjustments i think of
00:43:01.120the relation of men and women we have been emphasizing you joel especially for years
00:43:05.820the importance of the biblical roles of the husband working head of the home the leader in
00:43:10.440his home and the wife as barefoot pregnant and in the kitchen no not just that but we have been
00:43:16.620emphasizing the woman's role is if she is married to bear children to be a keeper at home and she's0.98
00:43:22.440a helpmate to her husband absolutely woman was made for man not man for woman yep i don't like
00:43:27.680the way you interpreted that scripture i didn't interpret ma'am i quoted it yep and one of the
00:43:32.300critiques we'll get is that there was an older and a deeper conception of the relation between
00:43:36.140men and women that wasn't just cast in terms of authority and submission of children and home.0.68
00:43:41.740And I do think that's actually true. If you look at the aristocratic class, for example, in
00:43:46.040England, but most certainly in the old South, they didn't have the kind of the buckets that we have.0.97
00:43:50.740Is she a keeper at home or is she a girl boss? Is she, you know, like love her children or is
00:43:55.960she just indifferent to them? But we're forced to think in those terms. We're forced to use a big
00:44:01.260bucket and really emphasize we've got to get back to the home. We've got to get back to the domestic0.98
00:44:06.660duties. We've got to get back to the core idea of submission because nature has been suppressed for
00:44:12.500so long. And in getting back to that, like the javelin, when you're way off base, you don't have
00:44:17.640the luxury of the shades of gray, of discerning. You've got to make a wholesale return. And the
00:44:23.800point is, it's not going to be pretty. I really don't think that you just, you go from three
00:44:30.400waves of feminism in a century. Dabney was writing about this in the late 1800s, about the women's0.97
00:44:35.780rights movements and everything. You don't undo 150 years in your course correction as you try
00:44:44.180to take your javelin and not overshoot by 25 feet and just hit the bullseye. Nailed it. Second shot.
00:44:51.960You're going to be off base, maybe a little bit short, not by 25 feet, maybe by five,
00:44:57.480but still off base. And you have to understand, or I think it would be beneficial to understand
00:45:02.920and something to be mature about and realize there's going to be young men, there's going
00:45:07.180to be young women, there's going to be movements. And by God's grace, they're correcting birth. We
00:45:11.620were way off, but there's going to be excesses. And in that, it's not excess because necessarily
00:45:17.440sin, because they don't know what the truth is, but it's going to be because we lost a skill
00:45:23.020because we lost hundreds of years of aristocratic development education thought maturity christian
00:45:30.800influence on the relationship of men and women we threw it away over 150 years and so you don't get
00:45:35.460400 years of that back in a decade oh we're perfectly back to this perfectly you don't get
00:45:41.420that same thing with nationalism deportation like i don't think it's going to be perfectly meted out