The NXR Podcast - THE LIVESTREAM - The Vengeance of Nature

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00:00:26.820 C.S. Lewis once warned us that famished nature will be avenged, and a hard heart is no infallible

00:00:35.520 protection against a soft head. In other words, nature always finds a way. This means, for example,

00:00:42.880 that feminism can never last, and when it ends, it will end with a vengeance. The same goes for 1.00

00:00:49.840 nationalism, tradition, and all the other ways that modernity seeks to make men without chests.

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00:01:25.380 donate. Tune in now for this very timely discussion.

00:01:38.260 We're back. We are back. Our very own Wesley Todd has been tasked with outlining and preparing all

00:01:46.040 the stats and the quotes and everything for this episode. So he's going to go ahead and kick it

00:01:51.060 off. All right. Well, first thing I would say, CS Lewis says this, I think it's on, uh, on the

00:01:55.680 incarnation, but in the introduction, he says, you've got to be reading old books. You need to

00:02:00.180 be old book maxing. And, uh, if you look so far a theme, I mean, we're only a couple of weeks into

00:02:05.340 the new year, but a big one has been nature. Like that is just the avenue of attack nature, nature,

00:02:10.300 nature, men, women, nationalism, tradition, modernity. Uh, so we've been talking a lot

00:02:13.900 about it. And as I've read, C.S. Lewis, certainly. I mean, you've got to always be reading some type

00:02:18.720 of C.S. Lewis book on repeat, Great Divorce for the Fifth Time, Abolition of Man. But C.S. Lewis,

00:02:24.980 Dabney, and some other guys, they had a different perspective on nature because really it's the

00:02:30.100 Industrial Revolution that begins to make possible some of the kind of modern horrors that we would

00:02:34.660 see today. So I think of the birth control pill, for example. The birth control pill upends nature.

00:02:40.140 It takes an act that mathematically always has the potential for new life.

00:02:45.260 And it takes it and through mechanical, artificial, hormonal suppressant means,

00:02:49.880 denies an act, the nature, the intention of an act to come to its completion.

00:02:55.260 And so the industrial evolution, technological innovation, all sorts of medicine

00:02:59.040 have made possible this concept of the suppression of nature.

00:03:04.520 I mean, castration, for example, we do that via chemicals.

00:03:09.320 we've talked about the birth control pill, even just getting people inside. What an unnatural

00:03:14.300 thing is to take people and to sit them under artificial, blue, cold, fluorescent lights all

00:03:20.580 day. That's their job. And then they go from the fluorescent lights looking at the big screen

00:03:24.660 to the warm lights looking at the little screen. And that's their life back and forth, back and

00:03:29.260 forth. And in all of these, the core theme is taking nature and taking how man was designed

00:03:34.500 to live, how God designed man to live, not just a natural man's reason, man's ideas of the best,

00:03:39.820 but man, God designed man to live and taking it and pushing it under. And these old authors,

00:03:45.540 they recognize that if you do that, like a beach ball and you take it at the beach and you push it

00:03:49.980 down under the water, it doesn't just stay there eventually. But if you held it down for 30 minutes,

00:03:54.960 an hour, an hour and a half, that it wouldn't just eventually accept, well, it looks like all my

00:03:59.100 oxygen i'm just gonna gonna hang out here no in time and the farther you go the worse it's going

00:04:04.600 to be nature physics reality it's going to come back with a vengeance that you can't forever

00:04:11.000 deny it i'm gonna read a quote here this is from c.s lewis the abolition of man it's all about this

00:04:16.920 concept the abolition of man and he says education is one of these tools that we take to try to deny

00:04:21.960 man his manliness how he was made to be c.s lewis says there's an abolition of man and all the

00:04:29.080 time such as the tragedy comedy of our situation we continue to clamor for those very qualities we

00:04:34.280 are rendering impossible you can hardly open a periodical without coming across the statement

00:04:38.600 that what our civilization really needs is more drive or dynamism or self-sacrifice or creativity

00:04:44.520 in sort of a ghastly simplicity we remove the organ and demand the function we make men without

00:04:50.120 chests and expect of them virtue and enterprise we laugh at honor and are shocked to find traitors

00:04:55.480 in our midst. We castrate and bind the geldings and bid them to be fruitful. And then Aldous 1.00

00:05:00.560 Huxley, he said this in Brave New World, not a Christian author, but still observing something 0.99

00:05:05.280 true. Reality cannot be ignored except at a price. And the longer that ignorance is persisted in,

00:05:12.320 the higher and more terrible becomes the price that needs to be paid. And so in the second

00:05:17.620 segments, I'm going to get into some of the mechanics that it is that nature is going to

00:05:21.340 actually have its vengeance. And we'll talk specifics on men and women, I think especially

00:05:25.780 globalism, naturalism, nationalism, modernity to tradition, some of those specifics in the third

00:05:31.480 segment. But really just want to get the idea across that man cannot eternally suppress what

00:05:37.040 it is that God has made him to be, that he cannot destroy it. But Joel, you've said this many times,

00:05:42.260 nature finds a way, life finds a way, and you just can't simply get around the way that God

00:05:48.080 has made the world. A prophet from Jurassic Park, once life finds a way. Yeah, nature is going to

00:05:54.280 come back, and the longer it's suppressed, and the more severely it's suppressed, the more vengeance

00:06:01.620 it will return with. And that's, you know, I keep saying it's not whether but which, it's not whether

00:06:07.300 we'll have nationalism. Nationalism is God's design. He sets up nations, their times, their

00:06:12.380 boundaries, all these things. We find that in Acts chapter 17. So nationalism will return,

00:06:17.400 globalism is not natural. It's not just that it's immoral, but it's also not natural. So globalism

00:06:24.020 will not be able to, it's not sustainable. It's not viable, not long-term. There will be a return

00:06:29.200 to nationalism. The return will be swift. It will be severe. And the question is not whether we'll

00:06:35.640 return to nationalism, but simply which kind of nationalism we'll return to. My prediction is it

00:06:41.780 will be one of three. Christian nationalism, Islamic nationalism, or a pagan nationalism. 0.51

00:06:50.340 There could be other options. I think those are probably the big three. But you're going to get 0.84

00:06:55.740 one of those. And so Christians are either going to take the reins and rise up and exercise godly, 0.67

00:07:01.440 righteous courage and say, no, no, no, no. The Bible esteems nationalism. And here's how to do 0.93

00:07:08.040 a christian nationalism how to do it righteously or christians are going to say christian nationalism 1.00

00:07:13.560 is icky and uh the muslims will install nationalism as they slowly take over the 0.99

00:07:19.240 country or there'll be a complete you know um reverting back to um a kind of pre-world religion 1.00

00:07:26.960 um pagan nationalism uh but the world has always known nationalism and uh and we'll have a return

00:07:33.660 Same thing with patriarchy. We're going to get not whether but which. We're going to get patriarchy. Feminism is not viable. It's not sustainable. It won't last long term. The Industrial Revolution and these kinds of things, modern inventions and innovation helped it to look sustainable for a time because the average vocation was no longer something that was physical labor and involved and required a certain measure of physical strength.

00:07:59.640 And so, you know, you could have women in the workplace because the workplace happened to have HVAC, you know, and it was pencil pushing, you know, and bean counting instead of something that's, you know, with your hands. 0.53

00:08:10.220 And so the industrial age made feminism appear viable, but long term, it's not. 0.98

00:08:16.160 And so there's going to be a reverting back to patriarchy. 0.96

00:08:20.160 And when it happens, it won't be whether it happens, but simply which patriarchy will we have? 0.52

00:08:25.360 we'll have biblical patriarchy, or we'll have a pagan patriarchy, or we'll have an Islamic

00:08:31.020 patriarchy, something. But it's going to return. And part of what I'm advocating for is, one, 0.87

00:08:37.640 because of fidelity to Scripture and desiring to be faithful and obedient to God and His design

00:08:43.380 for the world, that's preeminent. That's the first priority. But then secondarily, because

00:08:48.220 these things, I believe, are inevitable, because it's the way that God structured the world,

00:08:52.400 and you can only go against the grain for so long until things snap back into their natural order

00:08:58.080 that God designed because God created the world and there is a natural order to that. I predict

00:09:04.700 that there will be a return to patriarchy and nationalism, other things as well. And so,

00:09:09.840 I've been trying to advocate and encourage Christians first in obedience to God, but then

00:09:15.380 secondly, in a pragmatic sense, but I think it's a righteous, permissible pragmatism, even

00:09:20.360 obligatory pragmatism to beat the culture to the punch instead of the church always following the

00:09:26.980 culture, right? The church, you know, enters into wokeness, you know, because the culture did. And

00:09:31.980 then the culture is already reverting back. The culture, in many ways at the macro level,

00:09:39.160 the culture is already done with wokeness. And in some sense, you can make an argument that

00:09:43.300 wokeness is actually being entertained at this point more, not less, but more in the church than

00:09:49.180 it is with the culture, because the culture is ahead of schedule. The culture is, you know,

00:09:54.440 the tail is wagging the dog, the culture is leading the church. And so the culture is already

00:09:58.880 snapping back into the culture is recognizing we have, we have people on the massive, you know,

00:10:06.020 political stage, you know, actually acknowledging and naming the liberal global order as something

00:10:15.160 that's negative. And so, there is a reverting back to nationalism and I think a renouncing

00:10:22.300 of feminism and these things. And if the church doesn't get ahead of it, if the church

00:10:26.880 is still, you know, trying to carve out some third way, some middle, you know, ground of

00:10:34.300 complementarianism or whatever, and saying, oh, you know, patriarchy is icky and nationalism 0.51

00:10:39.820 is icky, well, then the culture will once again beat the church to the punch. And if the culture

00:10:45.760 beats us, reverting back to God's natural order, then the culture will also be the one that decides

00:10:51.620 and determines what kind of nationalism we'll have, what kind of patriarchy we'll have. And

00:10:56.460 it won't be Christian if all the Christians are still over here denouncing nationalism and 0.98

00:11:02.000 denouncing patriarchy because it's icky. And the whole irony is that so much of that is out of the 0.90

00:11:07.640 fear of man, the desire to garner the praise of man. But the people that we're trying to please

00:11:16.200 have actually already, they've already switched allegiances. And so you're still trying to appease

00:11:21.840 to woke culture. Woke culture is dead. It already lost. It had its hitting. Yeah. Right. I mean,

00:11:29.480 it's still kind of the body, the head has been completely severed and removed and the body's

00:11:33.160 still flapping. The nerve endings are still just this involuntary thrashing, but it's in the death

00:11:39.700 throes. Woke culture lost, but the church, because it doesn't exercise sincere, genuine, righteous

00:11:47.520 courage, and rather so often is trying to appease man rather than God, the church, not only does it

00:11:55.140 fail to be faithful to Christ by choosing to please man over God, but it actually doesn't

00:12:01.080 even please man because often in his attempts to please man it it um it's it's almost constantly

00:12:08.220 at least for the last 50 and you could argue even 130 years here in the west and particularly

00:12:12.300 america it's behind the times it's always behind the culture so the church is literally choosing

00:12:17.440 faithlessness not faithfulness but faithlessness to christ um in in favor of of pleasing the world

00:12:25.620 and the church doesn't even do that it doesn't even please the world it's trying to please the

00:12:29.720 world as it was in 2019 when now it's like it's 2025 donald trump is is president you got pete uh

00:12:39.900 pete uh hedge hedge seth um you say hegg i say hedge which one is right tomato tomato one of the

00:12:46.620 two i'm gonna say very least um but like my point is the culture is already radically pivoted and so

00:12:53.500 the church not only is it failing to be faithful to christ by choosing the the approval of man over

00:12:58.340 the approval of god but it's it's actually missing both because it's approving to uh the world a

00:13:04.740 worldly culture that is already already shifted wes you mentioned the beach ball and i think it's

00:13:10.740 important to pause there for a minute because when you think about a beach ball and the ocean there

00:13:15.700 is a natural state that is proper the natural state is that the beach ball would float on top

00:13:22.100 top of the water. And that's what the laws of, you know, buoyancy and volume and all of those

00:13:30.220 things demand. And that law can be suppressed. But the point is, it takes pressure to suppress

00:13:37.760 that law, right? It takes a lot of pressure. And if you think about a kid with his beach ball,

00:13:43.300 he has to really push that thing down. And sometimes it goes down slowly, right? But the

00:13:49.560 the amount of effort that it takes to revert back to the state of nature and we don't mean a hobbesian

00:13:55.740 state of nature here we mean the the rules of reality um the the amount of effort that it takes

00:14:01.820 to return that situation to the laws of physics is almost none right it just it just pops straight

00:14:09.320 up and in fact if we're not careful um we'll take out a podcast mike if we're not careful what will

00:14:16.460 happen is the return and joel you've said it and the question is just how much will be violent

00:14:20.060 and i think in some ways one of the things that we need to think about as christians is

00:14:24.380 how can we return that beach ball to its floating status but like ease it back up so that it's not

00:14:31.780 a cannonball explosion that's creating you know this huge splash but on its own that is what will

00:14:38.760 happen eventually the boy who's holding the ball under the water will get tired he'll let go it'll

00:14:43.120 slip through his fingers, and it'll come exploding out of the water again. That's well stated. In my

00:14:47.640 opinion, the way to reinstate the natural, you know, state wisely, carefully, in a way that it

00:14:56.120 doesn't just launch up and overreact, overcompensate, in my opinion, the only way to do that

00:15:02.940 is not for the church to act in mitigated measures. It's for the church simply to act

00:15:12.360 urgently and what i mean by that is right now you still have the culture outside of the church

00:15:17.720 suppressing the beach ball and pushing it down and so what what the church the opportunity the

00:15:23.620 church has now is while the culture is still putting pressure downward the church can be

00:15:28.600 pushing upward but if you wait for the culture just to stop pushing at all yeah then it's gonna

00:15:35.180 launch up so i i don't think it's uh so how do we restore god's natural order uh wisely to where

00:15:41.900 there's not an overreaction. I, ironically, I don't think the solution is for the church

00:15:46.360 to be mitigated in its efforts or to hedge its bets or to be reserved. I think it's actually,

00:15:52.500 ironically, it's the opposite. It's for the church to go, to go hard and fast, uh, for the church to

00:15:58.760 say, no, we want repentance. And when do we want it? Now we want, uh, the restoration of God's

00:16:04.860 design for the world. We want father rule, um, biblical patriarchy, according to God's principles.

00:16:10.400 We want nationalism, but we want Christian nationalism according to God's law.

00:16:15.040 And we want these things, we want them now.

00:16:17.340 And to speak out and to do that urgently, boldly, quickly.

00:16:23.460 And that would be a force pushing up on the beach ball while it still has resistance from

00:16:29.720 the culture.

00:16:30.620 If the church could simply lead the culture, then I think, you know, the church will be

00:16:35.120 pushing up and the culture systematically and progressively lessens up on its pushing down

00:16:41.580 and the beach wall will rise steadily and and securely. If not, then then what will happen

00:16:50.220 instead is the church just won't push at all, which tends to be the case, at least has been

00:16:55.820 in the recent history of the church here in America. We just won't push at all. And so then

00:17:01.320 it'll just be the culture determining uh that's pushing downwards suppressing it'll just be when

00:17:06.760 the culture decides to let up and uh and when the culture does decide to do that it very likely will

00:17:13.600 do it all at once because the culture will do it when things become um because the culture doesn't

00:17:18.880 have insight to the word of god so the culture does things when they become obvious obvious like

00:17:25.760 like just think of like how many nfl players and nba players and um and actresses and actors like

00:17:31.860 how many people started on a dime they turned on a dime doing the trump dance right right whereas

00:17:38.960 like 15 minutes prior they were saying kamala is so brat right and then all of a sudden it just

00:17:46.160 and now it's literally embarrassing right to be doing some kind of kamala dance or talking about

00:17:51.480 like who's who's common who's that yep like you know and so on a dime that's how quick the culture

00:17:58.680 because the culture um simply wants to appease the world so the moment there's critical mass

00:18:05.120 the moment that uh that someone takes power and wins that's all it takes is winning not even being

00:18:12.800 right necessarily but just winning the moment that someone influential wins and says uh and it

00:18:18.360 becomes obvious because the culture just responds to what it sees what's obvious what's blatant

00:18:22.580 and so the moment that the culture realizes it becomes obvious that globalism is no bueno

00:18:28.820 then um they'll all they won't let up systematically they'll all let up at once

00:18:35.780 and the beach ball will fly out of the water and and reverts to um an extreme form of nationalism

00:18:43.760 and and not not only extreme but in terms of measure but also type category it won't be

00:18:51.780 christian nationalism it'll be it'll be some kind of darwinian you know pagan nationalism that's

00:18:57.880 it's rooted in blood and there's a certain degree where heritage america that does matter people in

00:19:03.660 place but it would be solely rooted in blood and you think that can't happen america would it can

00:19:10.560 happen and it can happen in the blink of an eye it can happen before you know it where all of a

00:19:15.700 sudden everything shifts because it became obvious and the moment it becomes obvious nobody wants to

00:19:21.500 be viewed as being clueless no one wants to be left in the dust everyone wants to so you'll have

00:19:27.900 in the same way that that the culture the world runs as soon as there's a new iphone you know or

00:19:33.920 as soon as there's a new this or a new that and everybody wants to be cool everybody wants to be

00:19:38.560 on the right side of history. The moment, the moment it becomes obvious to just a few

00:19:43.960 influential people, it will all of a sudden, it will become obvious to all. Everyone will turn

00:19:48.960 on a dime simultaneously, and it'll be as though both hands are released from the beach ball that's

00:19:55.580 been held, you know, five feet under the water, and it won't just slowly rise, you know, to the

00:20:00.520 surface, but it'll shoot up, pop up, and go five feet up out of the water in an overreaction,

00:20:07.340 the rubber band snapping you know not back to its normative state but snapping all the way back in

00:20:12.380 the opposite direction and so i i really do think that um that overreaction is entirely possible i

00:20:19.740 would argue even probable and the only way to prevent it is uh the church not not the church

00:20:25.900 being mitigated and measured but the church actually being forceful as forceful and urgent

00:20:32.380 as it can be while the pressure from the culture is still pushing against the church um to balance

00:20:39.340 it out and so the culture when it when the culture does let up the church has already pushed the

00:20:43.740 beach ball up closer to the surface so now it's shooting up you know five inches instead of five

00:20:49.500 feet that's my assessment well there comes a point too where you just take cover like things get so

00:20:54.940 messed up or or something denied so long and it's much more about like i don't want to say personal

00:21:00.860 like literally me, myself, and I, but you also say, to what point do you insulate just myself

00:21:05.340 from this? Let's head to our first commercial break. And when we get back, we're going to talk

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00:22:50.180 all right well welcome back sometimes you can get the idea that uh man we've got a long fight

00:22:58.380 ahead of us right the left i mean depends where you trace it back to we're definitely talking

00:23:02.660 decades decades of work of of propaganda there's a reason for that so as we look at all right we

00:23:08.640 want to we want to return not to nature like you said in a hobbesian state not to a violent cruel

00:23:13.440 state but we want to return to how it is that god made us one of the things we're seeing as we're

00:23:17.620 discussing this about nature, it's not fungible. Oxygen and its composition and its density

00:23:23.780 relative to water, that just can't be changed. And so we were saying in the same way, there's

00:23:27.360 categories of how God made the world that they can't be changed either. So they're coming back,

00:23:32.240 they can't be changed. And what are the ways that this would occur? Well, look at how we got to it.

00:23:38.420 Well, it was a long process. It took, like Michael said, force, I would argue, cultural power. So it

00:23:44.340 took decades and the temptation could be, man, if it took decades to get to this point, are we in

00:23:50.220 for 70 years of trying to get it back out? You had first wave feminism, early 1900s, second wave, 1.00

00:23:56.800 third wave. Does that mean we have another 120 years of educating people and activism and this

00:24:02.620 that together? I have excellent news for you. White pill. It's a white pill for the day. No.

00:24:08.180 Why?

00:24:08.600 What makes you say that?

00:24:10.440 Reality.

00:24:11.800 Think about love is love, for instance.

00:24:13.720 How long?

00:24:15.720 Decades, half a century of repeating it, of pushing it again and again and again.

00:24:22.520 Do you know what broke down that lie for me?

00:24:24.400 I was never supportive of it, but there came a point in 2016 I got kind of indifferent.

00:24:29.160 So we're talking almost 10 years ago at this point, but I was relatively indifferent.

00:24:32.500 And then I saw a simple statistic.

00:24:34.460 And I think I could literally trace it to just seeing this thing.

00:24:37.420 One in two gay men have 500 partners.

00:24:41.100 Love is love.

00:24:42.080 Oh, wait, no, that's not love.

00:24:43.820 Literally.

00:24:44.920 Decades of propaganda.

00:24:46.660 Suppression of the natural order,

00:24:48.300 which a natural order for the record 0.99

00:24:49.540 is that homosexuality is gross. 1.00

00:24:51.900 That's the natural order. 1.00

00:24:53.080 The natural response of men to seeing other men

00:24:55.520 that are affectionate towards one another,

00:24:57.780 PDA in public, is disgust.

00:25:00.260 You need to cultivate that.

00:25:01.540 It needs to come up.

00:25:02.720 I would suggest mean mugging.

00:25:03.880 I practice it, especially in front of my kids

00:25:06.040 or something like that.

00:25:06.720 that's the default state took decades of work to try to make it like no this is beautiful and

00:25:11.180 lovely and all of that and i think there's literally people that like it all came unraveled

00:25:17.000 they just heard a statistic like that race isn't real well 99 of cornerbacks in the nfl are black

00:25:22.720 a position prized for speed and athletic ability oh wait yeah race is real it's it's it's a real

00:25:29.140 category so there's tons of different things you could say oh my goodness it took so long to weave

00:25:33.480 this lie i now see that it's a lie but we're in for the long haul to try to undo this i have the

00:25:38.620 point we're making since we're going to take it took them 40 years it'll take us 40 years the

00:25:42.820 point is the point i'm making it's not going to take us 40 it's not going to take us 20 it could

00:25:47.080 legitimately take four that's what you have to see is is things change quickly they really do

00:25:54.380 and so don't when you box yourself into when you're changing stuck yeah so change period can

00:26:01.000 be quick, but especially when you're, when the particular change that is in mind is a change,

00:26:06.700 uh, of reverting back to the natural order. Exactly. You know, like, so you think of like,

00:26:11.840 um, how, how, you know, how long it would take, um, in the Sahara desert to, you know, uh, pipe

00:26:19.660 in water and, you know, do, do plumbing and then set up, you know, uh, buildings and structures

00:26:25.100 and put HVAC and all these kinds of things in order to create an environment that's,

00:26:30.000 you know 68 degrees with zero humidity namely inside um that like that that would take you

00:26:38.540 know months arguably years if you're building you know like a whole town um in order to establish

00:26:44.920 to create that environment that is contrary to the natural habitat and the natural environment

00:26:52.280 um but in order for that that space those cubic feet inside of a structure that's

00:26:58.240 as insulation and electric and plumbing and hvac and all these things that 68 degrees and zero

00:27:03.640 humidity for it to revert back to 110 degrees degrees and the natural like um you can do that

00:27:10.740 uh without with very little skill and very little time you can do that with a sledgehammer

00:27:15.400 yep um and in an afternoon exactly um and so that like that's what we're talking about is we're

00:27:20.520 talking about not just change in general change in general in either direction can uh at times

00:27:26.460 very often be surprising in terms of its speed, but change in the right direction, going with the

00:27:34.220 grain instead of against it, that change can happen rapidly. It doesn't take much. All it

00:27:39.660 takes is a few, and in some cases even just one, major event. I mean, think of the change that

00:27:47.800 we're already experiencing. So much of it is because of COVID and BLM, that the left overplayed

00:27:53.080 its hand the flu and a fake $20 bill yep the flu and a fake $20 bill right changed the world the 0.76

00:28:00.280 world and rapidly rapidly and so all you're talking about is is you know a few or even just

00:28:07.520 one significant event that just lays bare um the reality and actual statistics of this or that or

00:28:15.140 whatever, and all of a sudden, boom, it's over. But if the church can do its weekly work of law

00:28:26.480 and gospel and discipleship and training and preaching and teaching and being a prophetic

00:28:31.760 voice in the culture to shape hearts and minds in the meantime, before that cultural, you know,

00:28:38.900 ground-shaking event actually takes place in the province of God, if the church can be pushing the

00:28:44.480 culture, a little bit, you know, from being five feet under the water, going back to the beach ball

00:28:48.720 illustration, to being one foot under the water, like a little bit closer to the surface, so that

00:28:54.400 when the event happens, it pops up, you know, but it's only got another foot to go instead of five

00:28:59.760 feet to go, then that will make all the difference in the world in, you know, setting up a hedge and

00:29:07.320 a protection against, you know, overreactions. Your sledgehammer comment, by the way, just

00:29:12.560 totally a side comment is uh the reason why i'm not optimistic about us colonizing mars

00:29:18.100 that's true yeah right like to cultivate it and make it uh you know a hospitable habitat environment

00:29:27.080 um takes just unfathomable amounts and and arguably even non-existent it may not even

00:29:36.500 be possible but even if it is just um incredible amounts of effort um for it to revert back

00:29:44.000 to the status that it currently is that is you know not uh not you know where no living thing

00:29:52.100 can thrive or last more than a few seconds um all that takes is just one one event just convinced

00:29:59.400 me out of mars colonization although to be fair people would have said like oh all of this like

00:30:06.100 a car you're telling me just every single piece has to work well no way we'd be able to do it

00:30:10.120 you're right but um right and tied to that reality piece is a public opinion like when something's

00:30:15.380 silly yeah it really takes sometimes just one person a powerful person to stand up and say

00:30:21.220 the emperor has no clothes i think of women serving in in office there was a state representative 1.00

00:30:26.360 sorry federal representative so at the federal level and uh she's eight months pregnant so she 1.00

00:30:31.120 she can no longer go to vote and she's sponsoring these bipartisan legislation so new parents can 0.99

00:30:36.640 like who are congressmen or or women can vote when they're new parents all it's gonna take

00:30:43.840 and she got a bunch of backlash for it and i think more will come is a bunch of people to stand up 1.00

00:30:48.240 and go wait do i want an eight month pregnant woman uh voting on legislation and deciding 1.00

00:30:54.240 different economic rule of law and civil things for our nation of course not that's stupid 1.00

00:31:01.680 because and here's the deal well women should serve an office i love her and her child enough 1.00

00:31:06.960 do you know that the dramatic effects of stress on infant mortality birth weight birth uh

00:31:12.720 complications in birth because i care about that woman and her child so much i eagerly desire that

00:31:18.080 all through her pregnancy she be at home with her husband not traveling and enjoying time with her

00:31:23.520 her child. And, and that example, like we need this legislation so that I can work 12 hour days

00:31:29.140 at the Capitol and then an eight months pregnant that last month, my pregnancy go home and be 0.73

00:31:33.500 voting remotely. Uh, what if Elon Musk just stood up and said, that's stupid. Why are women 1.00

00:31:39.400 politicians? Like that's how close we are, especially with, with, with platforms that 1.00

00:31:44.020 are uncensored and things like that. So don't lose heart Christian. Um, you can just, for one,

00:31:48.860 you can just say things are stupid and as enough people and influential people say things are 0.99

00:31:53.300 stupid the right way public opinion most people they are not we talked about this a couple weeks 0.99

00:31:58.460 ago yeah so grounded and so principled that i would never fly that flag or whatever it's not 1.00

00:32:03.420 principle no no most most people i mean the the harsh reality but it's it's god's world he designed

00:32:10.280 it hierarchy is inescapable um most people are not rulers and for a reason most people are not fit

00:32:16.360 to rule and uh and so the reality is you know we have so many seminars and books that are written

00:32:21.980 and even the church and its focus on, you know, leadership and leadership and leadership.

00:32:25.940 But the reality is that not everybody is a leader.

00:32:28.400 The vast majority of people are not leaders.

00:32:30.280 I think that every man is called by God to be able to be a leader of some level in his

00:32:35.020 home, with his wife, with his children.

00:32:37.220 But the reality is that the vast majority of the population are not leaders.

00:32:42.200 And all it really requires, like this idea that, you know, that I've got to, you know,

00:32:47.600 in order to make change, we have to have the majority.

00:32:49.620 It's got to be 50% plus one, you know, and in order to have the majority, it all has to, you know, facts don't care about feelings, you know, and so it's got to be, you know, logical, factual arguments that ultimately change people's minds and persuade people, convince people, and you have to do that, you know, one heart and one mind at a time, all the way down the line until you get 50% of the population plus one.

00:33:10.760 And that's not the way that change works. It's just not. Um, most people, you know, like, and I don't mean to be rude by this, but it's just one of the best illustrations, you know, to, to make the point. Most people are NPCs, you know, they're, they're non-player character, you know, like that's, it's a term that comes from video games, you know, where you're walking around and like, it might be a multiplayer video game and you're, you know, you're linked up and playing online.

00:33:34.600 And so there's other people where there's a real human being, you know, behind the controller, controlling that avatar.

00:33:39.540 But most of the people in the game are not actually human players.

00:33:43.820 They're just, they're programs.

00:33:46.840 And they're just doing whatever they're programmed in that particular moment by the computer, not a person, but by the computer to do.

00:33:53.760 And so, too, it is with the population of the world that most people are NPCs.

00:33:58.880 In other words, all you have to do, back to the Kamala and Trump example, is, you know, you've got all these teenage girls saying, you know, she's so brat, you know, and doing their TikTok dance videos.

00:34:09.360 And just like a computer, all you do is all of a sudden, you know, Kamala doesn't just lose in the electoral vote, but also the popular vote. 0.98

00:34:16.820 And a bunch of things are exposed of how, you know, ridiculous and unintelligent she really is. 0.98

00:34:21.540 And not just that she's unintelligent on the merits of arguments, but she's no longer cool. 0.93

00:34:26.380 and just like that overnight it's as though you know millions of teenage girls you know had the 0.67

00:34:32.860 back of their head opened up and the and the she's so brat kamala chip is taken out and then the trump

00:34:39.700 you know dance chip is put in and all of a sudden like i i've seen this with even you know people 0.53

00:34:46.600 that i know especially teenagers that were like oh we hate trump we hate and now like like you

00:34:52.260 could not get them to admit that they didn't like trump right because it's not cool even in high

00:34:56.940 schools even like like it's not it's not nobody is admitting that they were uh for kamala and i

00:35:02.180 remember they all were for kamala they were all for kamala and now they're like oh yeah we always

00:35:06.180 knew that she was dumb and trump is really cool you know like um why because of uh facts don't 0.89

00:35:12.100 care about your feelings because people made factual no we we've been making factual arguments 0.99

00:35:17.040 for trump since 2015 like well he's you know a convicted felon well but here's actually the

00:35:22.680 court case and here's the evidence and here's you know nobody cared it's not that the factual

00:35:27.380 arguments all of a sudden began to work and that people were intellectually convinced no that's not

00:35:32.200 what happened what happened was not that you persuaded people what happened is that you beat

00:35:36.800 people somebody won and the moment that someone wins a minority actually it doesn't take a majority

00:35:43.840 But the moment that a minority group of people sees power and effectively and sufficiently win,

00:35:52.480 then all the NPCs, the chip gets switched, and they fall in line.

00:35:56.920 That's the way the world works, like it or not.

00:35:59.420 Now, that's not the way conversion works, so the church still has its job, right?

00:36:03.100 So before, we're trying to, you know, in terms of the gospel and matters that are spiritual and eternal,

00:36:07.940 we're trying to convince a bunch of Kamala voters that they need to believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and repent of their sin.

00:36:13.560 And now we're going to be trying to convince a lot of Trump voters that they need, like, so they still need salvation.

00:36:19.480 Like, that's something that is one heart and one mind at a time, that the Holy Spirit has to do working in conjunction with the church and with Christians and the proclamation of the gospel and all these things.

00:36:29.080 So, that's inescapable, and that is a long, that is a 40-year, you know, or 400-year, you know, work of the mustard seed that doesn't overnight, but slowly and progressively grows into a tree, or the leaven that has to work progressively, you know, gradually through the whole batch of dough.

00:36:47.520 that's gospel ministry. That's hearts and minds in an eternal spiritual sense. But in the temporal

00:36:53.260 world, if we're speaking of not soteriology, salvation theology, but we're speaking of

00:37:00.120 political philosophy and how cultures change and how politics change, that's a power dynamic.

00:37:05.940 That's different. It's a different category. Yep. Michael, any thoughts?

00:37:11.160 Only that I was going to say something similar to what you said, Wes, but it bears thinking about

00:37:17.040 um the fact that most people really will just do um it's interesting right because we we said

00:37:27.360 before the election that um you know taylor swift controlled up to a fifth of the uh the vote in

00:37:34.700 america yeah so well that that i don't think is the case anymore i bet that statistic is just poof

00:37:39.960 gone and so i remember lost yeah well that's my point i remember being a little bit blackpilled

00:37:45.140 before the election thinking like it doesn't matter how many people we convince because

00:37:48.680 taylor swift is going to say this and a fifth of the country is going to vote for kamala well

00:37:53.500 that's that's gone in less than a few months right so just just to bring it back to where

00:37:57.980 you started this segment west is um it can happen very quickly and the reason why it can happen very

00:38:03.180 quickly is because people are political animals and to go back to the beach ball because the

00:38:09.220 beach ball wants to get back to the surface right yep yeah we're talking about change but we're

00:38:13.680 talking about changing things with the grain, going back to God's natural order, not against

00:38:19.460 it. And so we have God on our side. If the Lord before us, who can be against us? The Lord can

00:38:25.060 win by few or by many. And so we have that. But we also, I think what Christians neglect is that

00:38:30.980 not only do we have the spirit of God, not by might nor by power, but by my spirit, says the

00:38:35.280 Lord, not by sheer numbers, 50% plus one, but by the spirit of God. But in addition, we also have

00:38:41.600 not only the spirit of god but the world of god not word of god we have that but we also have the

00:38:47.580 the world of god meaning the world that god made we we don't not only have god on our side but

00:38:52.360 because we have god on our side we also have nature on our side because nature is subservient

00:38:57.760 it's in service of god of christ nature obeys god's rules and so we we are working um with god

00:39:05.760 but we're also working with nature whereas all those in rebellion towards god are working against

00:39:11.260 the grain and that's why it takes a long march through the institutions to get a bunch of people

00:39:16.320 to think marxism is a good idea it does not take a long march through the institutions to get them 0.97

00:39:22.460 to see that gay communism is a bad idea yep we'll go to our last commercial break and we'll come 1.00

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00:41:49.180 in javelin throwing and you're training. I'm going to pretend you're not.

00:41:53.060 this is a fantastic analogy guys so i just heard it once beforehand i'm already excited he's already

00:41:59.500 heard it once he's singing its praises so i'm not now i'm hoping i don't change it somehow in the

00:42:03.420 midst but um and you're you're practicing for javelin throwing that's going to be your olympic

00:42:07.360 sport you're competing in and you step up and and you make your your first throw whatever the weight

00:42:12.800 would be whatever the target would be and you are off base we're not talking like the bullseyes here

00:42:17.880 you're just outside right on the line we're talking missing the target what's your next

00:42:23.520 adjustment two to three degrees two to three inches given that you have limited shots giving

00:42:28.800 you have limited very important in this analogy exactly given given all these different variables

00:42:33.560 what do you as it aim small miss small you're aiming big so you don't miss big as the you can

00:42:41.060 do the pendulum you can do the beach ball you can do uh the javelin throwing you could do archery

00:42:45.560 same thing when you're trying to return with a big difference wide births because you've been

00:42:51.580 way off you don't have the luxury of the nuances the subtleties the small adjustments i think of

00:43:01.120 the relation of men and women we have been emphasizing you joel especially for years

00:43:05.820 the importance of the biblical roles of the husband working head of the home the leader in

00:43:10.440 his home and the wife as barefoot pregnant and in the kitchen no not just that but we have been

00:43:16.620 emphasizing the woman's role is if she is married to bear children to be a keeper at home and she's 0.98

00:43:22.440 a helpmate to her husband absolutely woman was made for man not man for woman yep i don't like

00:43:27.680 the way you interpreted that scripture i didn't interpret ma'am i quoted it yep and one of the

00:43:32.300 critiques we'll get is that there was an older and a deeper conception of the relation between

00:43:36.140 men and women that wasn't just cast in terms of authority and submission of children and home. 0.68

00:43:41.740 And I do think that's actually true. If you look at the aristocratic class, for example, in

00:43:46.040 England, but most certainly in the old South, they didn't have the kind of the buckets that we have. 0.97

00:43:50.740 Is she a keeper at home or is she a girl boss? Is she, you know, like love her children or is

00:43:55.960 she just indifferent to them? But we're forced to think in those terms. We're forced to use a big

00:44:01.260 bucket and really emphasize we've got to get back to the home. We've got to get back to the domestic 0.98

00:44:06.660 duties. We've got to get back to the core idea of submission because nature has been suppressed for

00:44:12.500 so long. And in getting back to that, like the javelin, when you're way off base, you don't have

00:44:17.640 the luxury of the shades of gray, of discerning. You've got to make a wholesale return. And the

00:44:23.800 point is, it's not going to be pretty. I really don't think that you just, you go from three

00:44:30.400 waves of feminism in a century. Dabney was writing about this in the late 1800s, about the women's 0.97

00:44:35.780 rights movements and everything. You don't undo 150 years in your course correction as you try

00:44:44.180 to take your javelin and not overshoot by 25 feet and just hit the bullseye. Nailed it. Second shot.

00:44:51.960 You're going to be off base, maybe a little bit short, not by 25 feet, maybe by five,

00:44:57.480 but still off base. And you have to understand, or I think it would be beneficial to understand

00:45:02.920 and something to be mature about and realize there's going to be young men, there's going

00:45:07.180 to be young women, there's going to be movements. And by God's grace, they're correcting birth. We

00:45:11.620 were way off, but there's going to be excesses. And in that, it's not excess because necessarily

00:45:17.440 sin, because they don't know what the truth is, but it's going to be because we lost a skill

00:45:23.020 because we lost hundreds of years of aristocratic development education thought maturity christian

00:45:30.800 influence on the relationship of men and women we threw it away over 150 years and so you don't get

00:45:35.460 400 years of that back in a decade oh we're perfectly back to this perfectly you don't get

00:45:41.420 that same thing with nationalism deportation like i don't think it's going to be perfectly meted out

00:45:48.760 there might be good people we love

00:45:51.160 they're going back to the country that

00:45:53.500 we came from and that's not necessarily

00:45:55.760 a critique of this evil wicked government

00:45:57.520 system that required it no when you

00:45:59.720 deny nature

00:46:01.660 when you deny these for this long

00:46:03.260 you don't get to be frustrated

00:46:05.560 when the beach ball splashes everybody

00:46:07.520 on the beach right

00:46:09.120 the thing that I would add to that yes and

00:46:11.500 amen a thousand times to everything you just said

00:46:13.420 the only thing I would add is

00:46:14.740 I could just I could I can hear 0.91

00:46:17.600 I can almost hear the counter from, you know, Christians saying, uh, well, I'm glad you guys 0.99

00:46:22.860 realize that, but, uh, it's, it's kind of pathetic that you guys are, uh, you're talking about 1.00

00:46:27.580 yourselves without connecting the dot. You are the overreaction you want. And so Michael, if you could 0.97

00:46:32.720 real quick, I know it'll take you a second, but I can keep talking while you're looking, but could

00:46:36.180 you get that Calvin quote one more time? Um, we use this on a prior episode and I want to use it

00:46:41.340 one more time because, because I've thought about this a lot, you know, because believe it or not,

00:46:45.280 people think i'm extreme you know and after careful consideration each day i wake up in the

00:46:49.720 morning decide to become even more extreme you know but but i actually do carefully consider it

00:46:53.920 from time to time there's some introspection and you know some self-evaluation and like and and

00:46:59.800 certainly just as a christian man uh prayer and like lord am i going too far am i overreacting

00:47:04.860 is this an over response you know to the the cultural ills of the day and um and there are

00:47:12.220 moments where I think it is, and here's the crazy thing, though, in my personal life, in just my

00:47:16.420 relationship with the Lord, every time I think, like, maybe I did overreact, I'll ask the Lord

00:47:22.800 to help, you know, re-center me on what's objective, and not just what I'm feeling in the moment, or

00:47:27.520 the response, you know, the reactions that I got from, you know, the peanut gallery, and other

00:47:32.000 people, and like, not let that determine what's objective, but go to His Word, and in addition to

00:47:37.880 his word, his word first, and that's primary and supreme. But then also go to older men,

00:47:47.340 guys who I think are tried and tested and true, and who weren't living and swimming in the world

00:47:54.040 that I'm living and swimming in today, who might be able to provide more perspective and clarity

00:47:58.580 and objectivity. So looking at the scripture first, and then looking at commentaries and those

00:48:03.780 who worked as theologians and pastors with the scripture and see like, okay, I've been pushing

00:48:11.160 hard against the grain and not just the culture in the world, but the culture even in the church,

00:48:15.920 because I think the church today is corrupted and flawed in many ways and is given into the spirit

00:48:19.900 of the age and feminism, these kinds of things. And so I'm reacting to that, but have I overreacted?

00:48:26.660 And every time I feel like I have, when I go to the Lord and ask him to give me objective,

00:48:32.000 clear perspective i always realize that um i i don't think anyone uh on the christian right

00:48:39.640 has really overreacted like virtually anyone um so can you read that so so take feminism as an

00:48:48.080 example it's like well joel like you guys are talking about uh you know that you you need to

00:48:52.340 be careful because there might be an overreaction what we're saying is we think that there might be

00:48:56.620 an overreaction from the unbelieving godless world when the world starts to recognize the

00:49:01.680 things that we're talking about. When the world starts to see that globalism is gay, when the 0.82

00:49:06.440 world starts to see that feminism is toxic, and when the world makes these realizations and the 0.93

00:49:12.140 world begins to make its corrections, I think the unbelieving world will overreact. I do not think

00:49:17.560 that the church is even close to overreacting, even those who are the most conservative within

00:49:21.960 the church, namely people like us. So everything that you've heard me say about biblical patriarchy

00:49:27.880 and railing against feminism and all these things.

00:49:30.660 Here's Calvin.

00:49:31.600 Right.

00:49:32.420 Can you read it?

00:49:33.140 This is from Men, Women, and Order in the Church,

00:49:35.800 three sermons by John Calvin.

00:49:38.020 And this is what he says.

00:49:39.580 He says,

00:49:40.080 Yet consider now whether women are not quite past sense and reason. 0.99

00:49:45.220 In other words, whether women are crazy or not, 0.99

00:49:48.020 when they want to rule over men. 1.00

00:49:50.460 In a word, it is madness. 0.99

00:49:52.660 For were men made for women? 0.96

00:49:54.740 it is true that today men are as channels through which god causes his grace to stream down upon

00:50:01.040 women far for from whence does labor come from whence from where do all the most excellent

00:50:07.740 things and highly esteemed things come to be sure it all comes from the men's side just stop there

00:50:13.620 for just i mean that like if i said that yep and i didn't tell people that i was quoting calvin

00:50:18.400 like i mean people would lose their minds they'd say like you're a chauvinist and you've this is a

00:50:23.340 an extreme overreaction that all the most excellent things come from the men's side right right go

00:50:30.140 ahead they're all fine with language superior inferior yeah william gooch yeah william gooch

00:50:35.200 not george gilder but william gooch like yeah he was like the superior speaking of the man the

00:50:40.140 inferior speaking of the woman go ahead okay um yet saint paul has an eye here to the beginning

00:50:47.620 of the creation where it was said that it was not good for the man to be alone and that he needed

00:50:53.060 someone at hand who would always be ready to help. Since God was thinking of the man, it certainly

00:50:58.560 follows that the woman is only an accessory. And why? Because she was only created for the sake of 1.00

00:51:05.700 man, and she must therefore direct her whole life toward him. She must confess. And real quick,

00:51:11.660 those aren't questions. Those are statements. Like he's saying, why? Here's the answer. Because she

00:51:15.960 was only created for the sake of the man. Yeah. I would add the word accessory. We don't mean this

00:51:22.360 like someone would put on a watch and then get a different watch this is like an accessory to

00:51:26.460 murder like a partner in something i hope yeah i help yeah okay go ahead and finish um so it says 0.98

00:51:33.220 and why because she was only created for the sake of man and she must therefore direct her whole

00:51:37.980 life toward him she must confess quote i am not supposed to be without direction here not knowing

00:51:44.100 my purpose and station rather i am obliged by god if i am married to serve my husband and render him

00:51:49.520 honor and reverence and if i am not married i am bound to walk in all soberness and modesty

00:51:54.580 cognizant that men have the higher rank and that they must rule and that the woman who disregards 0.94

00:52:00.500 this forgets the law of nature and perverts what should be observed as god commands and quote this

00:52:06.680 this then the place to which saint paul brings back women law of nature he did the natural theology

00:52:13.680 Yeah. So here's the point. My assessment in a nutshell is this, that if the church doesn't

00:52:19.940 lead the culture and instead relegates herself to being led by the culture, the culture itself

00:52:26.900 actually will recalibrate and return because God will not be mocked. Nature is healing. Nature is

00:52:36.460 restoring itself. And things that go against the grain, go against God's natural order,

00:52:42.040 may appear to work but only temporarily um that they're not in the long run viable or sustainable

00:52:47.680 so the world is starting to wake up and realize these things and the world i thought tim pool

00:52:53.460 one of the episodes of his podcast this week was nature is healing itself far right wing

00:52:59.360 yeah which and and west of course is joking like he's a centrist he's barely you know barely as

00:53:05.760 generous on a good day on yeah i mean the i mean the dude is even he's for abortion in several

00:53:10.560 cases you know he's not for in every case and that like makes him a conservative by you know

00:53:15.600 today's standards but the point is the point is guys who are like they're not even center right

00:53:20.720 they're just straight up centrist you know like your bill maher types that are like left center

00:53:25.300 you know like these guys are starting to come to the realization that that we've completely lost

00:53:30.580 the thread and so as the world realizes this if the church doesn't lead the way um then then the

00:53:37.140 world will lead the way in the realization and the world will also then get to lead the way in

00:53:42.540 the reaction. If the world realizes how far off the rails we are before the church does, then the

00:53:49.240 then the world will be therefore in the position to make the determination of how to right the

00:53:55.480 wrongs and the church won't. And if the world does that, what I'm saying here with our, you know,

00:54:02.240 as we're offering some, some very pastoral warnings, we're not saying, and so watch out, 0.95

00:54:07.280 you know, young Christian men and, and watch out right response ministries, you know, and,

00:54:11.660 and new Christendom press, you know, and, uh, Contra Moondum and Stephen Wolf, you guys watch

00:54:16.980 out, don't be too extreme. And you're written. I don't think we're even, I don't think any of us

00:54:21.280 have overreacted even once. Every time I think I have overreacted, I go to the Lord, ask him to

00:54:26.180 help me to see objectively. And I realized that I'm still underreacting, that I'm still not being

00:54:29.960 quite courageous enough or faithful enough objectively we are to the left calvin dabney

00:54:36.240 absolutely henry objectively all of us objectively on race on women on i read william christianity

00:54:43.100 i read william gouge and what he talks about with the nature of the relationship between men and

00:54:47.360 women and marriage and i and i feel uncomfortable my feminism starts to show my feminism like

00:54:54.500 William Gouge, if he was here, he'd say, Joel, you're a feminist. And so, my point is, here at

00:55:00.900 the end of the episode, the warnings that we're giving, pastoral warnings, is not to say, hey,

00:55:05.620 you young, you know, far-right extremist, you know, Christian man, you know, watch it with

00:55:09.960 your podcast. That's not what we're saying. We're saying that the entity that we think

00:55:15.420 is most likely to overreact, truly overreact, will be the unbelievers. It'll be the unbelieving 1.00

00:55:22.360 culture, the unbelieving world. And the best that we can do as Christians to head that potential 1.00

00:55:29.380 reality off before it comes to fruition is for the church to beat the world to the punch,

00:55:36.200 for the church for once in the last 70 years to actually lead the culture and be the first to say

00:55:43.580 the emperor has no clothes, globalism doesn't make sense, feminism doesn't make sense,

00:55:50.860 Endless immigration doesn't make sense.

00:55:53.260 For the world, you know, being colorblind doesn't make sense. 0.98

00:55:56.680 We don't want to necessarily be race essentialists where everything is about race, but there is

00:56:00.460 something to be said for race realism and realizing that Galatians, it says they're

00:56:04.220 neither male nor female.

00:56:06.300 Okay, yeah, in the eternal sense, but male and female still exist.

00:56:09.540 We don't use that and exegete it and therefore say, well, I guess transgenderism is on the

00:56:13.780 menu.

00:56:14.440 No, the conservative Christian says male and female is still a thing.

00:56:17.440 Paul's just talking about in Galatians in the eternal sense of Galatians 3, that before the

00:56:22.900 foot of the cross, that the man and his wife are co-heirs in grace, but in the natural temporal

00:56:29.920 plane, certainly male and female distinctions remain. And so, too, when Paul says Jew or Greek,

00:56:37.060 there are still racial distinctions, there are gender distinctions, there are also economic

00:56:43.000 and class distinctions between employer and employee, the master and slave. And so,

00:56:48.320 all these distinctions in the temporal sense in nature still exist. And if the church doesn't

00:56:53.920 beat the world to the punch, I'm not concerned about young Christian men overreacting. That

00:57:00.060 is not an inherent danger that's on the horizon, despite all the libs in the church, LARPing as

00:57:09.120 conservatives, you know, continue to say that it's a danger. It's really not. The true danger

00:57:14.000 is the unregenerate man who has nature only with no grace component whatsoever. When he,

00:57:22.600 when the chickens come home to roost for him and he realizes how far off we are with the javelin

00:57:28.680 that we've been missing by 50 yards, he's the guy who's going to do a 180 about face and miss

00:57:34.740 the target again by 50 yards in the other direction. It's the unregenerate response

00:57:39.520 that will be the overreaction. And the best that the church can do to prevent that

00:57:43.800 is not to be mitigated, but actually to be even louder so that we can actually take the reins

00:57:51.620 before somebody else realizes that the stagecoach is going off the highway, and they take the

00:57:58.560 reins, but they don't know how to drive, and they rear us into the other ditch.

00:58:02.200 not mitigated militant let me end with this because you could contend man man in a state

00:58:08.060 of nature is i mean he is indulgent he's violent he's drunk right and that that actually is true

00:58:14.020 grace is what then takes not by creating new categories but it takes nature and it actually

00:58:20.880 perfects it takes man's sex drive and it channels it to creating a family and so in all of that the

00:58:27.720 point is not that like we've got to get away from the state of nature into a state of grace into a

00:58:31.840 new category. No, grace is coming in, and it's coming to nature, how God made the world. The

00:58:37.200 same categories, the same distinctions, the same all of that, and it's taking them and making them

00:58:41.680 Christian nationalism, Christian husbands, Christian families. Now, there would still be

00:58:46.600 families, and there would still be men, and there would still be nations, even without grace. 0.87

00:58:50.540 A Christian conception of race. 0.55

00:58:52.080 Comes into those. Yep, race. 0.93

00:58:53.720 All these things.

00:58:54.500 Grace comes into those, perfecting them within where they exist. That's the X factor that

00:58:59.840 Christians can do, or they can leave out. And we'll get nature. That's the point. We'll get 1.00

00:59:04.920 nature one way or the other. Will it be nature elevated, aiming towards perfection through grace,

00:59:11.280 or will it be the cold, bitter, cruel reality of nature? Nature in the fall. Yep. That's it. Thank

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The NXR Podcast - January 24, 2025

THE LIVESTREAM - The Vengeance of Nature

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