The NXR Podcast - THE LIVESTREAM - Trump Vs. Elon Musk： BILLIONAIRE SHOWDOWN ｜ Epstein Island？ Impeachment？ Ketamine Addict？

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00:00:26.800 in may of 2022 elon musk announced that he would no longer support the democrat party

00:00:34.540 citing them as having become the party of division and hate the richest man in the world would go on

00:00:40.840 to purchase twitter and invest over 290 million dollars into the 2024 election to get donald trump

00:00:48.720 and republican candidates elected these two acts alone likely changed the course of the right wing

00:00:55.320 movement here in America forever. After the elections, he then left his businesses to work

00:01:01.640 on cutting wasteful spending in the government via the Department of Government Efficiency,

00:01:07.200 Doge, which went on to cost Elon's companies millions in boycotts, arson, and negative press.

00:01:14.100 Tesla alone has lost about $100 billion since these endeavors. But that honeymoon period is

00:01:22.280 now over. Fed up with the proposed deficit increases and perceived snubs of Tesla and

00:01:28.920 Starlink in the massive spending bill working its way through Congress, Elon Musk began to lash out

00:01:35.320 at the bill and those Republicans who supported it. Never one to let an insult slide, Donald Trump

00:01:43.180 quickly became critical of Elon and his subsidies and it devolved rapidly from there. Now to the

00:01:50.740 most important individuals in the world are at bitter odds with one another. Elon accused Trump

00:01:56.620 of appearing in the Epstein files. Trump fired back that Elon is a ketamine addict who should

00:02:03.160 go back to Africa. No one can chart a path through the ticking time bombs of out-of-control spending,

00:02:10.440 mass immigration, and trying to fund a government that currently spends over $200,000 per second.

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00:02:42.460 We very well may be in the final stages of our republic.

00:02:47.020 Tune in now as we discuss.

00:02:58.060 The final stages of our republic.

00:03:00.520 Anakin, insert Anakin face.

00:03:02.320 Right.

00:03:02.960 But not the final stages of the new monarchy that will come and replace it.

00:03:07.180 We've got 250 years of a good republic,

00:03:09.280 and that's about how long people should be in charge before you realize,

00:03:12.380 wait a second, we don't want these people in charge.

00:03:14.480 Remember the video?

00:03:15.160 um it's uh some muslim imam or something he's like uh democracy is a government for the people 0.97

00:03:22.460 by the people of the people and he's like but the people are retarded and so democracy is a 0.97

00:03:28.640 it's a government uh by the retarded for the retarded um yeah i things are so hot right now 0.95

00:03:35.980 um the romance between trump and elon has come to a bitter end um i i've kind of oscillated 0.84

00:03:43.880 back and forth earlier on on this issue with the you know the big beautiful bill um but honestly i

00:03:49.580 i've just i've gotten to the point where and we'll talk about this today i'm going to give it to wes

00:03:53.840 here in just a moment but um i think uh i think you just got to pass it i think um at the end of

00:03:59.800 the day when i think of america's solvency i don't just think of economics which matter but um it's

00:04:07.040 the people like we have to be like the solution is um it's the the the people of our country we

00:04:14.520 have to be able to deport millions of people um that is uh in large part that's a big part of

00:04:21.540 the problem and uh the debt crisis and all these kinds of things um believe it or not i know it

00:04:27.200 feels impossible but uh it actually can be sorted out by uh innovation and producing uh more if we

00:04:34.420 can bring industry home but the big problem as i see it is um the idea of globalism and that we're

00:04:40.740 just importing the world and exporting all of our manufacturing and industry and these kinds of

00:04:45.800 things and if we could solve that um then i really think that uh that the debt would follow i don't

00:04:51.800 think it's going to be let's solve the debt problem and then uh and then one day we'll stop the

00:04:56.600 invasion into our country right it's no let's uh let's actually care about the american people

00:05:02.340 And to do that, the first thing you have to do

00:05:04.440 is answer the question, what is an American?

00:05:06.600 We can't even answer that question.

00:05:08.220 So if the passing of this bill in any way

00:05:12.700 is hindering Trump from making good on his promises

00:05:16.480 of mass deportations, then I say pass the bill.

00:05:20.580 Yep.

00:05:21.120 Well, before we jump into West

00:05:22.540 and to just go off what you said there, Joel,

00:05:24.520 there maybe is a silver lining here

00:05:26.180 because I heard even Senator Johnson from Wisconsin

00:05:28.860 who is completely opposed to the bill,

00:05:30.600 even he said look we're not going to default on our debt we'll pay our debt before we pay anything

00:05:35.660 else so maybe the way we actually cut entitlement spending is we get so much that we have to pay

00:05:41.220 on our debt that we have nothing left for the entitlement spending maybe this is 70 chess that

00:05:46.620 we're playing here we get so much in debt that we pay with congressman salaries right yeah can you

00:05:51.900 imagine that that'd be great let me let me frame out the foundation for why is it just even one big

00:05:57.620 beautiful bill why that framing presidents typically have unless you're barack obama but

00:06:02.040 even then the 2010 the tea party kind of wave most presidents they'll get in and they think the house

00:06:07.320 and the senate they're going to get kind of one big piece of legislation so with uh joe biden this

00:06:12.460 was the ira the inflation reduction act that's basically about all you're going to get before

00:06:17.200 the midterm so what typically happens is i mean obviously the presidency four years senators four

00:06:22.500 years but it's kind of staggered those houses those chambers they're just resistant to change

00:06:27.220 You can't come in and replace the president except for every four years.

00:06:30.640 And so people could be as mad as possible, but unless he does a Watergate or unless he

00:06:34.140 does a Bill Clinton, practically speaking, he's not going to get taken out of office.

00:06:37.440 But the chamber that really can be influenced and through which the people have a voice

00:06:40.620 more quickly is the House of Representatives, where there's just more representatives, 438,

00:06:45.540 I believe.

00:06:46.240 And you could elect out, you could get out of office 10, 15, and quickly change the balance.

00:06:51.400 And then all bills and legislation, not executive orders, but legislation, because it has to

00:06:56.040 passed through the house you could then go ahead and bar up the president for the second half of

00:07:00.020 his term and it's every two years and it's every two years yeah so this election is every two years

00:07:03.580 and this is exactly what happened and kind of saved us with joe biden so they had the they had

00:07:07.520 the senate and they had the house and they obviously had the presidency they passed the

00:07:10.960 inflation reduction act and really i mean that was it right those are the pieces he got for his

00:07:15.440 presidency and what he had to campaign on right so this is trump's it's very likely in 2026

00:07:21.300 that in the midterms the democrats will take back the house we have like a two or three seat

00:07:25.640 majority but a very slim majority democrats whoever's in office are always unpopular right

00:07:30.700 grass is greener on the other side you have the democrats in office and republicans and everyone

00:07:35.020 in the middle are like get these guys out they're terrible republicans come in get these guys out

00:07:39.860 they're terrible for the record i agree with both of them both sides are terrible so this is basically

00:07:44.860 trump's one chance and one of the difficulties that we're up against i already see some you know

00:07:49.040 some frequent commenters some great guys saying i hate this bill some of you guys you're probably

00:07:53.500 in the middle. Joel, you just said, I think we should pass it. Here's the dynamic that won me

00:07:57.940 over. Cause initially, and we'll get into Elon Musk's criticisms. Initially I was pretty critical

00:08:02.860 of it too. I said, this is, this adds, it depends on how all of it plays out. It adds 2.4 to about

00:08:09.640 3.8 trillion to our deficit. Now that's not the entirety that you would add across those 10 years.

00:08:15.220 That's on top of the deficit that the full budget itself is already running. So the budget itself

00:08:20.080 is running a deficit we had a continuing resolution for that that goes until september 30th at which

00:08:24.840 point we either continue the spending at the current level we pass a new bill that doesn't

00:08:29.420 seem very likely so you have all the deficit that's building up there i think it's about

00:08:33.040 two trillion a year so we're all these in 30 trillion something in debt they're adding two

00:08:38.740 trillion annually just through a regular budget yeah this would bring us like 40 trillion debt

00:08:44.120 This would bring us about $40 trillion, and this bill would add another $2.4 to $3.8 trillion in the deficit.

00:08:50.620 That's not in spending.

00:08:51.540 That's in just deficit because what it does is it actually does a lot of tax cuts.

00:08:55.780 So when you cut taxes, which is good for us, you also get less money for the greedy government to play around with.

00:09:01.580 So this is basically Trump's shot at enacting his legislative agenda and a huge part of this.

00:09:08.620 And almost the single issue why you were just talking about, Joel, at some level, I think there's something in it to support is that this would provide the funds for the mass deportations that President Trump campaigned on.

00:09:21.040 The president cannot just pick up his pen and give billions and billions of dollars and print them to give them to ICE, to expand their budget, to expand their officers, and to carry out these operations.

00:09:30.720 That just simply can't be done.

00:09:32.160 practically speaking there are limits and in this current system the only way we get this practical

00:09:37.360 outcome is going to be it funded through a measure of congress right i want to play this video this

00:09:42.880 is stephen miller he came on to charlie kirk show which this is probably the first time you're going

00:09:47.280 to hear a charlie kirk uh clip but he had a really good explanation of why this is so important

00:09:52.480 right now so we'll go ahead we'll play nate this is that second video i sent you that's what brings

00:09:57.520 us to this moment. I have waited my entire life, and if I was older, it would be, I would say I'd

00:10:05.320 been waiting for 100 years, because there's never been a bill like this bill since there has been a

00:10:11.880 conservative movement. This represents the culmination in the case of the MAGN movement of

00:10:17.520 10 years of hard work. This bill would have been unthinkable in 2017 in the Paul Ryan era.

00:10:23.940 In this bill is the codification of President Trump's most important campaign promises.

00:10:32.260 It is done through a process known as reconciliation, which allows us to enact them into law with 50 votes, not 60.

00:10:39.280 No Democrats are involved. There's no trading with Democrats.

00:10:41.860 No Democrats are involved in the writing or crafting of this bill, nor is it written by the Appropriations Committee.

00:10:47.480 This bill is written by the most conservative lawmakers in Congress, people like Jim Jordan.

00:10:53.940 It's written out of the policy-making committees by the Republican members there.

00:11:00.140 So, for example, as has been much discussed, it fully funds the deportation agenda.

00:11:04.780 It fully funds massive expansions of the number of ICE deportation officers, ICE beds, ICE deportation flights, and the complete physical, permanent physical ceiling of the entire southwest border.

00:11:18.920 All of that money, all of that funding is provided up front.

00:11:23.280 This was a 10-year plan.

00:11:25.060 In other words, going back to 2017 when Paul Ryan didn't give us the money for the immigration project.

00:11:31.640 For 10 years, we thought, given the chance to do it again, we would put all of the immigration money in the first bill out of the chute up front.

00:11:41.540 That's what this bill does.

00:11:45.080 I love Stephen Miller.

00:11:46.560 Me too.

00:11:46.840 I was going to say, because there have been plenty of times where it's somebody that we do not love, and we will point out, you know, the Wikipedia early life, you know, and say, all right, you know, this person is Jewish.

00:11:57.840 I'm going to go on record publicly.

00:11:59.540 Stephen Miller is a Jew, and I love him.

00:12:01.560 He literally dedicated his life.

00:12:03.980 His emails leaked from Breitbart in like 2018 or so.

00:12:07.340 All they found was hundreds of emails of him emailing practically everybody he knew, all these updated crime statistics about illegal immigrants.

00:12:14.380 like again and again did you see this did you see that like literally there's one point where he's

00:12:18.800 like i don't have a life i don't have a family this is everything i do and he's married now at

00:12:23.100 this point but um so that's steven miller uh one of the most influential men in the trump

00:12:27.200 administration and everyone's saying hey ai hey the pork spending hey we don't cut the deficit

00:12:32.080 enough and steven miller would probably agree with you but he's saying listen to me we've got a once

00:12:37.820 in a lifetime chance that's huge to fund with billions and billions of dollars he says later

00:12:43.460 later on in the interview ice has not seen its budget expanded since the obama era wow so your

00:12:49.780 budget for your deportations your budget for enforcement your budget for tracking individuals

00:12:54.220 that budget has not been expanded since 2007 2008 and just for the record costs have gone up since

00:13:01.240 right so it's not as though your dollar is going far and how much how much are we spending on all

00:13:06.300 the immigrants right right i mean so like to me you know you got to spend some money to make some 0.83

00:13:11.060 money you know like um which has kind of been the motto for a long time and we're in a mess 0.98

00:13:15.980 uh but i you know i'm just sitting here as a as a peon thinking and man if if we have to to you

00:13:23.260 know pass a bill that's going to put us more in debt i mean what's you know what's 40 trillion

00:13:28.000 when we're already you know 32 33 you know uh so you pass something it's gonna it's gonna increase

00:13:34.080 the deficit yes i get that and i don't i don't want to trivialize it but i'm saying by comparison

00:13:39.140 so that's that's not small potatoes sitting by itself going to further debt right um but we're

00:13:45.260 comparing it to getting rid of people who are not americans like guys millions of them millions

00:13:51.900 guys we have to take our country back we have to and when we think of it we're not just talking 0.74

00:13:56.900 about um taking back the gdp we're not just talking about taking back you know america as

00:14:01.880 an economic zone that's you know that's uh you know fiscally uh solvable we're talking about

00:14:07.760 the people america first uh means americans it should mean americans first and americans

00:14:15.140 answering that question who is an american um heritage americans this is not just the person

00:14:20.660 who's been here for 15 minutes right uh that said the magic words and touched the magic soil

00:14:25.800 no like a citizenship exam in spanish or something right yeah exactly and it's now

00:14:30.780 going to the voting booth and and reading you know off the options in spanish um no we need

00:14:37.520 america is for americans and everybody else has to go back um because we don't have anywhere to

00:14:44.340 go back to um this this is our home and uh and so uh yes uh there are a few things that i'd be

00:14:51.620 willing to go into debt um over but this is one of them um absolutely one of them and so if this

00:14:58.340 is what's hamstringing trump um then i say go for it and in terms of getting into you know we'll get

00:15:04.640 into this more but the personalities here you know the particular feud between trump and elon

00:15:09.220 um i like trump has his faults no doubt and i am you know um looking you know further ahead

00:15:16.740 kind of shifting gears for just a second i am concerned about um you know just just if you're

00:15:22.620 a new listener and you're like these guys are normies and they don't know anything that's going

00:15:25.480 on uh we're aware of palantir we're aware of peter uh peter thiel we're aware of alex carp who 0.83

00:15:30.680 who is jewish um we're aware of peter thiel who is not jewish but is a homosexual um alex carp is 0.62

00:15:37.300 a democrat right he's he's right-wing when it comes to immigration and only deporting one type 0.61

00:15:41.960 of person namely a palestinian who's negative towards history right you know but that technology

00:15:46.180 palantir if you're not familiar with it is it's it's not like the uh the hardware like nvidia you

00:15:52.180 know cpus and chips and things like that it's the software um ai intelligence that specializes in

00:15:58.240 interpreting in record speed interpreting wide swaths of data so it has the ability to scour the

00:16:04.200 internet and to hone in on one person and create a profile that includes their bank account number

00:16:09.640 and their social security number and all these well that's what was just let in with elon musk

00:16:14.400 so as part of his right cost-cutting efforts i software was used supposedly administrative and

00:16:20.980 now has probably profiles on all of us you're talking social security and yes and so even

00:16:26.460 though yeah elon musk is not directly associated with palantir they're all part of the paypal

00:16:30.600 uh pal mafia you know now elon musk might at a personal level not like peter thiel because peter

00:16:35.680 thiel allegedly was involved with david sachs and others too when i think elon musk was on his

00:16:41.500 honeymoon yep and they and they booted him out of the coup and boot him out of the ceo position

00:16:46.540 of paypal so i'm not sitting here saying that they're best friends but they're but they're all

00:16:50.500 the same strain um and and i and i get it like if we don't do ai china will um i i get it i understand

00:16:58.120 that it's it's a little bit complex but there are real concerns with artificial intelligence and my

00:17:03.000 point is you couple that with what you know is being developed right now by palantir in terms

00:17:06.880 of facial recognition software and then their ability to interpret data create profiles and

00:17:12.660 sure this is being used in the middle east for the you know the top 10 percent um you know threats

00:17:17.940 they deem as threats against our you know our greatest ally israel um but but guys like alex

00:17:24.400 carp have been outspoken who's currently the ceo of palantir outspokenly hostile against what he

00:17:30.520 considers to be far-right extremist right because he's not he's not conservative not really not not

00:17:36.320 even close and so all this can be you know it's already um it's already been kind of um infiltrated

00:17:42.760 into the government through elon and doge and using that process and and so it's like oh well

00:17:49.000 we have the constitution you know we have the constitution to protect our rights well the

00:17:54.000 software that's being used right now in the middle east could easily be used on free american citizens

00:17:58.140 those deemed to be too far right wing and it's like well this is america we have the constitution

00:18:03.340 they're not going to penalize you know people for dissenting political opinions and say yeah sure

00:18:09.720 but um but they'll just create you know ngos non-governmental organizations um and use palantir

00:18:16.860 technology and work with them and create profiles and uh yeah you won't go to jail you'll just be

00:18:22.000 unemployable you just won't be able to feed you know you don't go to jail just your wife and kids

00:18:25.780 starve so i'm saying all those two the only reason i'm mentioning that is to kind of you know quickly

00:18:30.620 show my bona fides because there might be people who are listening in they're like these guys don't

00:18:36.200 have a clue um we actually do um you know i i too uh am familiar with the the back alleys of the

00:18:43.120 internet right um and i think there's a lot of legitimacy there and so and yes we're also very

00:18:47.840 much aware of peter thiel and his ties to vance um and we like vance we like vance but that is

00:18:53.300 we want to like vance that's what i'll say yeah i want to like him yeah he he but he has multiple

00:18:59.000 crossroads he's he it's it's so weird it's like on one hand with um you know venture capitalists

00:19:05.580 and those kinds of things

00:19:06.460 and the Peter Thiel connections,

00:19:08.420 he's going to have an inclination there.

00:19:11.540 Peter Thiel, $15 million,

00:19:13.720 the biggest Senate campaign donation in history.

00:19:16.220 Right, no, it's big.

00:19:16.840 That's why he is a senator

00:19:18.120 and that's why he is the vice president

00:19:19.700 of the United States. 0.99

00:19:20.260 Right, because you're talking about a never-Trumper 0.95

00:19:21.760 who kind of flipped on a dime 0.93

00:19:24.020 and it's like, how did that happen?

00:19:26.780 Well, a lot of money is part of it

00:19:29.120 and a lot of influential people behind the scenes

00:19:31.440 and Peter Thiel being one of the premier individuals.

00:19:33.860 so he's going to have a crossroads um and probably already is experiencing it because on one hand

00:19:39.920 it's like hillbilly elegy you know and a real you know rags to riches blue collar appalachia

00:19:46.540 scots irish yeah heart of america type type guy but on the other hand his ties to big tech and

00:19:53.700 the venture capitalist world and peter thiel and those beholden to some of these guys so there's

00:19:58.440 going to be you know a tug of war between his childhood and his early adulthood um and then

00:20:04.060 also like he seems to understand the order of morris and heritage americans and these kinds of

00:20:08.860 things but he's also married to an indian wife and she seems she seems like a peach right so i don't

00:20:14.580 have anything bad to say but she seems like a wonderful woman and from what i've heard it seems

00:20:19.080 as though she's embracing catholicism and backing away from hinduism that's good praise god um but

00:20:25.140 she is not a heritage american um and and so um and so he's he's both on on the the nationhood

00:20:33.920 issue of who is an american and on the issue of is it is it salt of the earth blue collar americans

00:20:39.840 or is it the big tech overlords that i'm beholden to um vance it's it's i'm not trying to disparage

00:20:46.060 him i like him i'll go on record and say i like vance um but he's going to have some massive

00:20:50.900 temptations and i'm and i want to acknowledge that so here's the point there's yes vance is

00:20:56.400 vice president he's closely connected to trump and he has connections to peter thiel and there's

00:21:00.400 palantir on the horizon and all these kinds of concerns over here i wanted to get that out

00:21:04.640 that said to boil it down to the the current few that erupted yesterday online between elon and

00:21:11.380 trump um despite vance and despite thiel and all all these things um for me uh i didn't vote for

00:21:18.940 elon yeah musk i didn't um elon musk didn't take a bullet for me you didn't vote for the african

00:21:25.300 to be president yeah i didn't vote for the african i voted for the american right um and so for me

00:21:30.860 if it's if it's a battle between elon musk and you know and trump it's a no-brainer right um i

00:21:36.780 like i i'm going to side with trump i know that trump is not a perfect man by any stretch uh we

00:21:43.180 can we'll talk about the claim of him being you know on the epstein list yep a little bit later

00:21:48.220 on but um despite all of trump's flaws um if it comes down to what's good for america passing the

00:21:56.440 bill and trump saying we've got to pass the bill so that i can do what i've promised and elon saying

00:22:01.760 we can't pass the bill because it doesn't contain the subsidies for my electric cars you know or

00:22:07.600 like i i mean uh it puts us into too much debt and i really am concerned about this this country

00:22:13.020 that i've lived in for 15 minutes um yeah i'm gonna go with uh the american who's currently

00:22:18.820 holding the office of the presidency that i voted for yeah and not the foreigner who has done a lot

00:22:24.360 of good things and i appreciate it but is i mean the distance between elon musk and a peter thiel

00:22:30.640 is like can we even see is it yeah is it even discernible by the naked eye like i mean how

00:22:36.320 different are they um i will throw out um jeff childress of coffee and covid he had a good we

00:22:44.760 would be naive to think that palantir's technology cannot and likely will not be used for just what

00:22:50.800 you're saying jewel however um jeff childress's sub stack this week at some point i forget which

00:22:55.940 day had a good breakdown pointing out what actually is being allowed with palantir right now

00:23:02.060 and it's not it's not the doom and gloom although it very well could be his point largely was

00:23:09.180 it's being used to do things like get he said there's currently no communication between

00:23:15.980 departments so if someone dies that never gets notified to the social security administration

00:23:21.560 to stop paying social security benefits to that so he said the current contract with palantir

00:23:27.800 is aimed at those sorts of things i agree joel 100 the technology is there it most like i have

00:23:35.180 no doubt that it's currently being used in in many positive ways yes my my concern is just the

00:23:41.100 trojan horse coming in the gates and eventually and this is what's tough this is what's tough

00:23:45.160 about the bill i kind of espouse the positives paid played that clip from miller yeah we're

00:23:49.680 going to get to some other ones from massey cosmic treasons pointing out the ai and that's a huge

00:23:53.340 problem yeah but like if you have a relatively godly submissive wife and you guys just have

00:23:58.420 differences she probably has a point and you probably have a point like with trump and elon

00:24:02.960 it's not as though elon musk has no point whatsoever the deficit is fine you actually

00:24:06.720 are caught in this very difficult you know a rock and a hard place and so elon musk to give him the

00:24:12.320 benefit of the doubt he's bringing up the very valid point that i mean back in 2013 14 15 he's

00:24:18.600 retweeting what trump was saying back then and trump was all about we need to cut the deficit

00:24:22.920 We need to balance the budget.

00:24:24.020 We need to stop this out-of-control spending.

00:24:25.760 Mike Johnson in 2023, before he was Speaker of the House,

00:24:28.720 was saying the same thing.

00:24:29.860 We've got to get in here.

00:24:31.120 We've got to cut all of this.

00:24:32.240 The crazy thing, though, is that's 10 years ago,

00:24:34.460 which isn't that long, but 10 years ago,

00:24:36.380 we didn't have $50 million.

00:24:38.740 You have to put that into perspective.

00:24:40.920 In the last 10 years, we had just under the last administration,

00:24:44.640 in four years, $40 million.

00:24:47.220 In terms of what they counted,

00:24:48.380 about they said like maybe like um 9 million that were legal and 11 million that were illegal but

00:24:55.460 that doesn't even account for all the gotaways and and everybody who just slipped through the

00:24:59.560 system it was never counted so you got 20 million on the record and over half of that being illegal

00:25:05.880 immigrants just in four years of biden's administration and so i think i'm being

00:25:10.220 conservative when i say 30 to 40 million if you count also the gotaways um and then that's just

00:25:17.020 the last four years and so then i'm only tacking on for the previous six years seven years going

00:25:21.560 back to 2013 um 10 million total for those six or seven years and that's how just for the listener

00:25:28.100 that's how i'm getting to my 50 million number and so my point is as a defense of trump i mean

00:25:33.120 i've said plenty of things at a certain time that were true but then things change things change

00:25:39.420 and in 10 years one of the big things that changed is there's a whole lot of people in america who

00:25:45.520 are not americans right and do not belong here and are a financial black hole on the country

00:25:52.400 and it's not like oh you know like if we finally gave them enough then then no there there is no

00:25:58.020 enough it doesn't matter what i saw a video just today like mr beast you know a year ago put water

00:26:03.440 whales and um you know and uh uh some african village and in less than a year none of them

00:26:10.020 work there and he and he also brought instructors to teach them how to maintain it taught them the

00:26:16.280 maintenance and every single one of the water wells is now abandoned um the reality is it's

00:26:21.800 not just a matter of resources it's a matter of the heart it's a matter of people and having

00:26:27.400 um an entire importing an entire class of people here that are not americans and that continue to 0.98

00:26:34.460 be a strain on americans financially and and then also our our physical health in terms of crime 0.96

00:26:41.860 statistics and all these kinds of things 15 minutes that way uh 18 wheeler piloted by an

00:26:46.880 illegal immigrant who was drunk or intoxicated plowed into a family killed two kids and three

00:26:51.620 adults like 15 miles that way and then just over the weekend i think it was up in dallas once again

00:26:57.720 i think it was at the beach something like that illegal immigrant killed a girl who's celebrating

00:27:01.940 her birthday like this is not just ethereally somewhere someplace right three years ago someone

00:27:06.780 did a bad thing everywhere economically fiscally i've gotten to the point where in many ways it's

00:27:12.400 kind of um in many ways yeah like i've kind of become a single issue politically minded you

00:27:19.100 become steven miller yeah we we have to do whatever it takes to get rid of these people

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00:30:36.320 Okay, so I know we mentioned briefly the debt and the deficit problem,

00:30:40.280 but I think one thing to bring home when we talk about it, we agree, it's a problem.

00:30:44.040 All else being equal, it is not ideal to outspend your GDP to run the deficit up.

00:30:48.440 Let's go ahead and pull up graph number one, Nate.

00:30:50.820 We are far from the only country in the world, though, that is doing this.

00:30:54.560 I think this is global trade.

00:30:56.400 This is globalism.

00:30:57.620 This is the ease of financial markets where you can trade 24 hours a day, seven days a week.

00:31:02.320 And so this is a graph, if you're listening, of the most indebted countries in the world.

00:31:05.900 It's a little bit older, but it's the best kind of comparison that you can see.

00:31:09.040 And in the yellow, so the bar underneath, you've got 2007.

00:31:12.440 it's the ratio the percentage of GDP to government general government debt yellow bar 2007 blue bar

00:31:19.720 2017 every single country on this list the ratio has increased United Kingdom Canada France Spain

00:31:27.900 United States Japan Greece every single country that's on this list list of the most indebted

00:31:32.580 countries in the world all of them have been increasing their debt to GDP ratio this is the

00:31:37.420 10 years, 2007, 2017. The United States, at least on this list, is the fifth. I think it actually

00:31:42.860 might be about the sixth or seventh now at this point. But the United States is behind Japan,

00:31:48.140 Greece, Italy, Portugal, but we're also the biggest economy in the world. So practically

00:31:53.600 speaking, we are not the most in-debt nation, nor are we the only nation that is running up the

00:31:58.080 deficit as a measure of our GDP. Your GDP, your gross domestic product, is basically a measure of

00:32:03.500 your output. You have a nation and basically it's producing nothing. Well, you can't take on much

00:32:07.560 debt at all. If you're producing a lot, then your debt is not as necessarily a big deal. If you have

00:32:13.140 debt, that's a quarter of what you produce, your exports, your money that you're bringing in in a

00:32:18.260 given year. I mean, that's no problem at all. You make $100,000, $25,000 in debt. That's not that

00:32:23.800 bad. You make $100,000, you're paying off $125,000 in debt. All of a sudden you have a much bigger

00:32:30.800 problem so the united states is far from alone china has its debt japan has tons of debt all

00:32:36.080 these european nations have debt and in many ways it's kind of like a i would like to say a system

00:32:41.140 that it's in everybody's best interest to keep going we worry about defaulting on debt we worry

00:32:45.680 about well what happens if the american dollar doesn't kind of become the standard abroad

00:32:49.500 those are real possibilities but practically speaking at the end of the day like joel said

00:32:55.080 We need to get these people out.

00:32:57.220 And ultimately, you can just do things also.

00:33:00.580 Like there are measures of just the big part of our debt and spending its entitlements.

00:33:05.260 Yes.

00:33:05.780 Elon Musk was never going to be able to cut Medicare.

00:33:08.420 Congress is never going to cut Medicare.

00:33:10.520 Congress is never going to cut Social Security.

00:33:12.480 Trump ran on not cutting it.

00:33:13.820 Trump ran on not cutting it.

00:33:14.960 Exactly.

00:33:15.540 So practically speaking, the debts here, like with Doge, he was very ambitious.

00:33:19.500 Like, we want to cut this.

00:33:20.260 We want to cut this.

00:33:21.260 You can pull up graph two to just kind of show the flow.

00:33:23.380 guys, most of the spending is in healthcare. It's in pensions. It's in social security. You can see

00:33:28.700 here, this is the 2023 fiscal year. It's in defense and veterans. So it's paying up veterans

00:33:35.120 benefit. Let me tell you what, no congressman is coming back to his district with a big smile and

00:33:41.220 thumbs up and says, Hey, veterans, I voted to take away some of your benefits. The change that's

00:33:46.860 going to have to happen is not going to come within this system if we're going to get rid of

00:33:50.240 this so practically speaking just looking around like where are we what are our actual real

00:33:56.820 legitimate options these this is the situation and they're just much more important things

00:34:02.340 now let's get to ai though one of the provisions this is a huge bill these bill because it's kind

00:34:07.160 of called the one big beautiful pages it's over a thousand pages and it's kind of done to avoid

00:34:11.800 getting bogged down avoid getting bogged down with bills that can fail individually so you take maybe

00:34:17.580 the immigration thing right senators start hemming and hawing i don't know and then it doesn't get

00:34:22.780 passed the goal of this for one is to do it as budget reconciliation so that means as stephen

00:34:27.440 miller alluded to on the call you need 50 votes instead of 60 so the filibuster is in place in

00:34:32.920 the senate meaning you need 60 out of 100 senators to vote for something to approve to pass it

00:34:38.260 republicans only have a 53 vote majority so that means seven democrats have to join you

00:34:43.820 And if they're going to join you and they're going to vote for a Republican bill, they're going to need concessions.

00:34:49.100 Now, the budget reconciliation process is a process by which you only need a simple majority.

00:34:53.320 And that simple majority, then you're very much so able to pass things that are related to budget.

00:34:58.020 There's debate over because there's provisions in this bill to get rid of tax permits for silencers.

00:35:02.960 So like if you want to buy a silencer for your firearm, you don't have to get a tax stamp anymore.

00:35:08.540 There's also taking away Medicare and Medicaid money from Planned Parenthood that they can't be used to go to Planned Parenthood, to procure abortions like that.

00:35:16.720 There's also then, and this is the big one, an AI provision.

00:35:20.080 Now, there's something called the Byrd Rule, which says that, hey, the changes being made have to be relevant to the budget.

00:35:25.520 In this case, funding ICE and funding deportation efforts.

00:35:28.780 The changes made had to be relevant to the budget. 0.71

00:35:30.940 But as politicians do, they'll throw their pork in, they'll throw their spending, they'll throw this, they'll throw that in the other.

00:35:35.800 because, again, this is going to be one of the only chances they have

00:35:39.200 to actually really probably pass most of Trump's agenda.

00:35:42.720 But a really concerning one is a provision that says

00:35:45.520 local states cannot regulate, cannot slow down,

00:35:50.280 cannot hamper the development of AI for 10 years.

00:35:55.500 We're going to do an episode I've already got planned out for next week

00:35:57.840 talking about AI and the things that it's doing.

00:36:00.740 But think about 10 years.

00:36:02.320 10 years ago from right now was 2015.

00:36:05.800 i mean podcasts were barely becoming a thing all sorts of social media platforms didn't exist or

00:36:12.760 even in their infancy so we're saying in that bill 10 years hey you can't regulate this whatsoever

00:36:19.960 and it even goes even farther than that and it gets into local zoning so i'm going to play a clip

00:36:23.880 from uh this is laura loomer's show with thomas massey talking about or it's dana loesch uh talking

00:36:30.680 about these AI provisions and what he's seeing in the bill? I am prefacing what I'm about to tell

00:36:36.580 you because I'm almost embarrassed to tell you this. I went back and read that provision of the

00:36:42.240 bill knowing that you might ask about it on the show. And I found something I didn't find the

00:36:47.600 first time, which is they say in that bill, not only are they going to override state laws,

00:36:53.360 they want to override local zoning laws. Now, what does this mean? When you think of AI,

00:37:00.140 OK, well, we're not going to regulate the software that runs on somebody's computer.

00:37:04.280 No, what they're talking about are these data centers that could be located in your neighborhood.

00:37:11.360 And there's been a lot of contention over these data centers.

00:37:14.560 I think that's what the real intent of this part of the bill is.

00:37:19.520 You know, Facebook and some of these other big tech companies have met the not in my backyard,

00:37:25.300 the NIMBY resistance in areas. And AI wants to make sure that they don't run into that. 0.73

00:37:31.540 These data facilities can use a lot of water, use a lot of energy, and they don't want the

00:37:37.140 locals telling them where they can and can't put these data centers. They're going to want

00:37:40.660 the data centers closest to where the consumers are. And so you're going to have that tension.

00:37:44.980 And I think, I know, I went back and read the bill before I came on your show. This specific part

00:37:51.140 says that they want to expedite the zoning and the routing, that the reason they put this law in

00:37:57.300 there is to expedite zoning and routing. Routing also is basically code for eminent domain,

00:38:03.540 running those wires, you know, being fiber optic cables through anybody's yard they want to.

00:38:08.980 I think it's really dangerous to take that power away. This has been an issue in my congressional

00:38:13.460 district, and the local authorities were able to get a planned data center relocated away from

00:38:20.660 the residential neighborhoods but they wouldn't have that power if this bill passes

00:38:27.060 yeah interesting so there you have it yep the bill is big it is a bill i don't know about beautiful

00:38:36.500 but that's basically what you're dealing with you have all sorts of different you have hands

00:38:39.380 in the pot you have uh elon musk solar and tesla subsidies he's angry about those being taken away

00:38:44.980 right you have tax cuts for americans you have money being sent spent on immigration but you

00:38:49.780 You also have things like that, AI, which it looks like the pressure on that will probably get that provision stripped from the bill, which is an awesome example of public pressure on your lawmakers.

00:38:59.260 But that's kind of where we are right now.

00:39:01.380 And I hope, as we've talked about politics more recently and everything like that, you guys just realize how complicated and how difficult and how slow the system moves.

00:39:11.860 Practically speaking, it's hard to do.

00:39:14.760 Activism, I think you said it, maybe, Michael, even on the show, you want to get a bill passed in Congress?

00:39:19.780 millions of dollars and about 10 years worth of work of lobbying of efforts of donating to

00:39:25.160 campaigns of meeting with lawmakers and that's for like non-controversial like you want a water

00:39:30.320 fountain renamed in your district that's right but but practically speaking we're looking at our

00:39:34.420 one chance in the last trump's first term four years biden's term four years this year our first

00:39:40.540 chance since nine years ago one more shot to at least get money very much so for deportations so

00:39:48.020 that's the that's the mix of it we'll get into trump and trump and uh musk here in a second

00:39:51.860 anything else to add to that yeah i mean the only we're gonna the ai thing will come up more

00:39:58.040 um next week with that episode um it's a tough thing right now because in some ways this is kind

00:40:05.920 of like a global arms race with ai that's what it is yeah and so it's tricky because when you're in 0.98

00:40:13.020 that kind of and and and we're already behind to china at least at least supposedly if you trust

00:40:18.720 anything that comes out of china i don't but i but but i heard on um i think the all in podcast

00:40:24.800 they were saying that china currently produces 20 times more energy than we do now they have a much

00:40:29.180 larger population yeah the infrastructure for energy yeah that's where we're falling behind

00:40:34.160 that's where like there's all these companies springing up to do like micro uh nuclear and

00:40:39.240 then quantum computing is you know becoming that's what it needs it for is for the the ai the quantum

00:40:43.940 if you look at like some of the quantum um computing uh companies like um qbts and uh

00:40:51.760 ion q yeah uh just in the last um those are the ticker uh handles but uh just like two weeks ago

00:40:59.540 they exploded yeah yeah exploded like jumped up like you know close to 50 so so that's like that's

00:41:07.420 one of the big things with this ai rush like think of it like the gold rush you know like

00:41:13.320 some people struck gold you know literally and were rich but most people did not uh but the people

00:41:18.720 who uh definitely got rich were the people who were you know selling the shovels and the picks

00:41:23.660 you know and the gloves um you know those people did really well and when you think of that as it 0.81

00:41:28.820 relates to this ai rush because that's what it is it's it's a global race um in the you know the

00:41:34.940 the ai rush um a lot of the people who um are needed uh tremendously is not just you know your

00:41:42.000 invidias like they've done exceedingly well but uh and they're and they're continuing to do

00:41:47.620 incredibly well with like their new you know cpus and gpus and stuff that are coming out that are

00:41:52.960 just continuing to um to break every record uh but there's a certain point where there are three

00:41:58.380 million um you know or three trillion market cap and you know maybe they could triple over the next

00:42:03.600 you know right 10 years you know to be the first 10 10 trillion dollar company and that's possible

00:42:08.700 but the ones that are like going like bonkers are um less of of like the gold itself and more of the

00:42:17.380 infrastructure like cooling and and parts for the cooling exactly there's cooling fans like there's

00:42:23.700 uh there's quantum there's nuclear there's all these other energy sources like energy is going

00:42:29.440 to be the massive demand and so i have no doubt that china um their infrastructure in terms of

00:42:34.880 energy is probably higher um than than ours and and maybe by a multiple you know by 20 times i

00:42:43.020 don't know if that's true but um i'm i'm prone to believe that they're ahead in that regard just

00:42:48.380 because of immense state power to just make things happen um where i can guarantee you they're not

00:42:54.640 ahead is when it comes to just raw innovation yeah right nobody is ahead of america right in

00:43:01.200 terms of innovation they're not and that doesn't mean that you can't find geniuses other places

00:43:05.280 but america um china and and all the things that it's done you can look at every single invention

00:43:13.020 and every piece of innovation and it's like oh they uh and you read into it and it's like they

00:43:18.180 got that from this american and got that from this american and got that from this american

00:43:21.980 and so like we really are leading the way in the actual technology um the actual innovation the

00:43:28.560 gold itself uh but you're going to need a ton of picks and shovels and gloves and hard hats

00:43:34.160 and that's where we're falling behind um as opposed to china so you're right michael like 0.92

00:43:39.340 back to the global you know global arms race in this case global ai race that's where it's

00:43:45.300 difficult because it's like yeah for this to be on untethered and there to be no restraints is 0.85

00:43:51.480 deeply deeply troubling but at the same time um china's not going to stop right you know like 0.99

00:43:58.780 like they're just you know and so it's like trying to build babies in test tubes they don't care 0.99

00:44:03.960 right they don't care they're just gonna like if they can do it the only thing that's ever held 0.89

00:44:08.240 back china is what they can do america holds itself back at times uh based off of what we should do 0.59

00:44:14.740 what we should do uh but uh most countries are limited by what they they can do um america

00:44:21.480 doesn't have nearly as many limits in that regard because um americans are phenomenal um and and

00:44:28.460 capable and we're a fourth of their size too like comparing the gdp it's incredible right because

00:44:33.100 you would think like well these are nations with the same amount of land mass and same amount of

00:44:36.080 people no no no no china for all their centralized authorities centralized in the government the

00:44:41.160 massive amount of people they have fewer labor laws fewer restrictions all of that bigger land 0.99

00:44:45.880 right still can't rival america well that's the whole thing with h1bs and stuff like with india 0.99

00:44:50.180 like it's like well india really does joel like you don't hate on india you know they really do 1.00

00:44:54.640 have some remarkable people and geniuses it's like yeah there's 1.3 billion people there like

00:44:59.280 of course they have you know just laws of averages they have some geniuses um that's true but it's

00:45:04.260 because it's 1.3 billion and i love india so much i want them to keep those geniuses that's right

00:45:09.780 you better yeah well no that's the thing we keep for real extracting the best and brightest from

00:45:13.800 every single country and and then we become you know morally dependent or at least think we are

00:45:19.060 for being the money bags of the world that that is part of the problem and so we're replacing our

00:45:23.860 own population uh because now instead of competing with you know 330 million fellow americans i have

00:45:29.640 to actually compete with the entire world right um because they're going to bring the best and

00:45:33.400 brightest here and they're going to hamstring that country so i like so number one um i i could have

00:45:39.120 got that promotion but i lost it to um whatever uh what's the name of the simpsons character who

00:45:46.240 works the quickie mart i'm trying to think of an indian name now poo yeah just so like so i lost

00:45:51.320 the promotion so i could have been making you know 20 more um and i lost out on that and i'm

00:45:56.440 going to get 20 more taxed on the lower wage that i actually have because i have to support india

00:46:01.880 because uh because we took their their best and brightest so anyway so that's a huge problem but

00:46:06.740 aside from that um we are leading the way in innovation that was my point but when it comes to

00:46:12.340 like other countries like china you know the chinese communist party and their ability to

00:46:18.100 just by rule of law we're going to make this many energy plants and we're going to uh nuclear well 0.95

00:46:23.880 do we have any concerns about nuclear nope who cares do it so nuclear and this and we blow up a

00:46:29.920 town we blow up a town we blow up a town we blow up a town i know i know for a fact that to hit a

00:46:34.980 carbon requirement from the un they built a dam and flooded a city of 200 000 people pretty much

00:46:42.180 like within a matter of months um and they just okay gotta do what you gotta do so that's the 0.81

00:46:47.880 thing is like when you're competing against hostile countries um like china and they 0.59

00:46:56.060 there's nothing restraining them right there's there's no self-restraint i should say

00:47:01.740 then um at that point it's like yeah like i understand the sentiment at the same time i

00:47:08.920 i completely understand um no no restraints no guardrails for 10 years for a decade

00:47:15.580 you know and and it's like a fever dream of your open ai yes sam altman yes it's terrifying grok

00:47:21.880 or whatever absolutely terrifying the problem is that like to me both alternatives are terrifying 0.82

00:47:26.600 right so like so china does it um and and we're at their mercy because we're and we keep all of 0.96

00:47:33.640 our immigrants here behind so we keep all of our immigrants here because we don't keep all of our 0.99

00:47:37.500 and so china it like is light years because you have to understand that like the way that history 0.99

00:47:44.360 works is like when it rains it pours you know so like there are wide swaths of history where

00:47:49.500 not much happened right you know like that doesn't mean that those people aren't important in the

00:47:53.780 side of god you know there's families and mothers and fathers but in terms of like development and

00:47:58.540 innovation and discovery um you think of like stone age and you know bronze age and you know

00:48:04.300 we've been living kind of in the age of silicon for the last yeah i don't know like 50 to 80 years

00:48:11.100 or so um so you think of like screens and tvs and phones and transistors and charges yeah that kind

00:48:17.420 of stuff and now we're entering into uh you're not my point is like what you'll see for like 80

00:48:23.300 years there'll be a discovery that turns a chapter and then you know it's just further applications

00:48:28.840 of that discovery that turn a page right it's like you know tvs and then it's like you know

00:48:34.120 phones and then it's smartphones it's like whoa this is incredible but these are just like turning

00:48:38.680 pages but you're still in the same chapter right but right now we are i really believe we are on

00:48:43.820 the cusp of turning a chapter right not just a page and so when we say like look at what happened

00:48:49.440 the last 10 years and it could be like that i don't think it'll be anything like that i think

00:48:53.880 it'll be exponentially more than that i think like there are going to be um the the discoveries and

00:49:00.960 inventions and applications that come out of artificial intelligence and quantum computing

00:49:06.880 and nuclear and all these kinds of things that are all kind of teeing up at the same time 1.00

00:49:11.700 um to to say we're going to basically we're going to run a race with against china 0.98

00:49:18.720 but we're going to put weights on our ankles and our chest um for the first 10 years of this race 0.68

00:49:26.920 like a marathon for the you know 26 miles the first 10 miles we're going to um we're going to

00:49:32.480 let china you know start at the 10 mile line and only have to run 16 miles like um so it's just

00:49:38.600 both are terrified both options are terrified and the answer obviously is a little bit of a pipe

00:49:43.620 train but the original envisioning of america and its national policy was protectionist and

00:49:49.760 nationalist right and so ultimately what's going to have to happen with all of this debt and

00:49:53.760 everything you're just going to have to come in this happened after world war one with germany

00:49:57.360 they just said we're not paying it they sacked them at the treaty of versai with millions and

00:50:01.880 millions it destroyed their economy and they just literally said we're not paying it and so for the

00:50:05.600 Same thing for the United States, we're going to have to say, we've prioritized foreign trade,

00:50:08.940 we've prioritized foreign markets, and importing all of these goods. We're going to stop doing it,

00:50:13.960 and you're not going to be happy with us. We're not competing with you as far as AI and making

00:50:18.040 AI movies and AI this and AI that. We exist for America. Our borders are closed. We're closed as

00:50:23.760 far as a capitalist market. We make stuff for our citizens, and it stays here. Ultimately,

00:50:28.800 that's probably the only real turning pages, turning chapters. That's going to have to be

00:50:33.300 the next chapter. There's not going to be some 20 year plan to balance the budget. Like it's all

00:50:37.940 going to keep spending. We're all going to do these arms races until you get to the point where

00:50:41.600 the citizens of the nation say, and it doesn't even have to be all of them say, I just don't

00:50:46.400 really care. I don't really care about getting slop from China. I don't really care about 0.98

00:50:50.320 importing junk manufactured in Bangladesh. I, we can do it here and it's going to be better for us 1.00

00:50:55.920 and it'll hurt in the short term, but we'll never pay off all this debt we have. And I kind of just

00:51:00.640 want america to be for americans i think that's going to have to be the next chapter anything

00:51:04.660 less than that you're in the same same boat you're in the same boat of debt you're in the same boat

00:51:08.640 of trade you're in the same boat of just being reliant on foreign production and everything like

00:51:13.220 that we can make it here we should do it here we should work towards that as much as possible

00:51:17.060 and a certain point you rip the band-aid off and say we're not paying that debt that's the

00:51:24.420 idealistic 30 year old i don't know because a lot of our debt is oh to tour it's it's own it's not

00:51:33.080 all owned by foreigners well it's not even all owned by allies a lot of it's owned by americans

00:51:37.140 like bonds and we've loaned money to social security and yep and those internally you deal

00:51:42.180 with differently but as far as external debts and they most certainly owe us money too so at the

00:51:47.200 same time we cancel yeah hey you owe us you know 15 trillion yep uh we owe you 20 we're kind of

00:51:53.860 going to call it a wash because we're just for ourselves something like that is i think going to

00:51:57.740 have to be the future or you're looking at global destabilization of all currency

00:52:02.620 none of these options are great hyperinflation global destabilization of course your allies are

00:52:08.300 going to be pissed but here's the deal what are you going to do cross the ocean go to war with us

00:52:12.320 how did that work out britain tried it japan tried it it didn't work yeah right so the problem

00:52:18.240 the difficulty i hear you the difficulty is um we've just we've made such a mess that it's it's

00:52:25.160 hard to get out of it like it would be immensely painful um in the short run to uh to isolate and

00:52:32.660 say america's for america listen if i can't get my guatemalan coffee i am not going to live

00:52:39.400 right so that is a good point well that that's first we have the recipes but first um we don't

00:52:45.620 have the climate that's true uh but the first thing that you would have to do is you'd have to

00:52:50.060 bring a ton of stuff back um and starting with you know essentials like medicine i mean the fact

00:52:54.600 that like right now if we enter into world war three yeah it's not just the casualties of war

00:52:59.440 but there'd be a ton of people who can't get their insulin you know things like that but i trust

00:53:03.480 american ingenuity to build these things there was people who were saying it'll take three years to

00:53:07.760 build the infrastructure and the scale to manufacture the covid vaccines they had those

00:53:12.020 bad boys on the assembly line in three months killed everyone come down to it that's a bad

00:53:16.520 example that's but come down to it 50 million americans need insulin we could make it happen

00:53:21.380 yeah probably to your point like it would be difficult and not easy but if we push came to

00:53:26.760 shove i think we could do it yeah chips and uh medicine chips chips well we're working on the

00:53:32.520 chips i mean we are starting to build plants here so yeah right but yeah those are the things that

00:53:36.700 trump is like and i think that's the best at he's kind of i know he's kind of heading that direction

00:53:41.560 that's the point of all the tariffs it's like well look at you know the stock market is down

00:53:45.240 you know whatever like it's already made a pretty good recovery and i admit you know part of the

00:53:49.520 recovery is due to the fact that trump has backed off on tariffs um substantially to where you know

00:53:54.680 typically uh typical trump his his bark has been uh bigger than his bite but the point is there's

00:54:00.580 so many different pieces um and the the easiest piece the first piece uh before you know trying

00:54:08.700 to get all your manufacturing back where everything's made here and then cutting off you

00:54:13.480 know to where like we're you know not not beholden to all these other countries the first thing is

00:54:19.420 before you bring industry back uh send the people out get the people out and um and that would right

00:54:27.580 there take care of a lot but you're right like i think you know long term in terms of the debt and

00:54:33.080 those kinds of things like um we're beholden to so many people because we've just we've we've

00:54:38.860 helped to create this globalist system and we're a part of it and we're and we're codependent

00:54:43.720 like i want my children to own and i'm working on owning two real assets owning your real estate

00:54:48.800 owning businesses that actually do something so it's not your sass it's not software as a service

00:54:53.220 but it's real businesses real real estate real tangible assets your food your beans your bullets

00:54:58.560 your bandages, owning those things as much as possible, hedging against, we've talked about

00:55:02.900 before, just the instability of the American dollar. There comes a certain point where people

00:55:07.040 say, you've printed so many of these things, and we are printing more of them, and this bill will

00:55:11.960 print more of them. This thing is just not worth anything. Before we move on, there was Ben

00:55:17.340 Hufstetler entered the chat with a major super chat. So Joel, you need to at least hit that

00:55:21.500 before we... Yeah, we've got a lot of super chats on this one. Let's start at the top. We have one

00:55:25.920 more commercial break that we're going to go to in a minute um well okay we'll start with ben

00:55:29.740 yep uh ben huffsteadler uh faithful uh as surely as the sun will rise um ben huffsteadler is

00:55:38.420 single-handedly supporting this ministry three hundred dollars super chat uh from ben thank you

00:55:43.160 we appreciate it he said stay strong brothers we need men called to the front lines in the battle

00:55:48.520 of life keep it up moving to kentucky next week and looking to start a reformed borough there

00:55:54.740 prayer is appreciated for the journey. Praise the one true King for the grace that we have daily.

00:56:01.000 Amen. Let me pray for Ben real quick. Father, I pray that you would bless his move, that it would

00:56:05.000 be a good transition for him and his family, and that you would indeed help him to be able to

00:56:11.720 consolidate with other brothers and sisters in Christ who fear you, who are like-minded, who

00:56:17.300 love your word and love our country and want to see America bow the knee to King Jesus and for us

00:56:24.620 to live according to his uh his law and lord i pray that he'd be able to find a solid church

00:56:30.600 and a solid community we pray this in jesus name amen a couple more super chats nathan if you could

00:56:35.660 go to the top let's hit our last ad i got one thing on trump and elon and then we'll hit all

00:56:41.440 these okay all right we'll do the super chats last hang with us we're going to go to one more

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01:00:56.800 and elon and then we'll get to the super chats we've got some good ones today um in terms of

01:01:01.600 graph too that'll help once you get a second okay uh in terms of the epstein comment right here's

01:01:07.580 the big one um trump's name you know the reason he won't release the epstein files is because his

01:01:12.660 name is on it uh have a nice day dj right that's right um pretty petty um and immature

01:01:20.300 this is why foreigners have to go back send them back um but i do like do we think that's legitimate

01:01:29.320 um my my opinion i'd love to hear michael and wes um i think absolutely not i just i think

01:01:36.660 there's no way uh biden had access to this um you know the biden administration i mean biden was

01:01:43.100 you know eating applesauce and taking naps but um whoever was running the country for four years

01:01:47.840 dims were in charge um they had a majority in the house and the senate for a while and so um i think

01:01:54.740 anything that would have i mean they threw everything including the kitchen sink at trump

01:01:58.420 um i think it would have been used so like is he is he in the document um well like we we know we've

01:02:05.000 we've known for 10 years at this point that, you know, that he's in, you know, the Epstein files

01:02:12.820 in the sense that he had a relationship with Jeffrey Epstein. But there's, there's a part

01:02:17.440 of the Mar-a-Lago club, right? Trump kicked him out. But there's a far cry between, you know,

01:02:22.160 it's a pretty wide spectrum between I'm friends with Jeffrey Epstein versus I'm actually committing

01:02:29.240 heinous acts that are unspeakable against children um i i don't think that uh any bombshell like that

01:02:35.400 if trump had actually engaged in any illegal activity uh we would have heard about it right

01:02:40.640 so i think uh i think elon's being cute and like i don't think it's a bold-faced lie in the sense

01:02:45.780 that like trump's name's nowhere to be found right um but i think he's he's basically um

01:02:51.960 he's basically saying a half truth like uh he's in the files um and and technically he you know

01:02:59.140 he is um but but not in any incriminating way um if again if it was we would have heard i mean that

01:03:06.440 would have been used against him already so that to me is just one more reason um like when i saw

01:03:12.600 that it's like i was already you know gonna take trump's side again trump has faults but given

01:03:18.000 those two choices elon and trump and then when i saw that i was like oh man this is just uh

01:03:23.280 like pretty pretty actually kind of surprised me like pretty low yeah um pretty low so i you know

01:03:30.460 i understand that elon's frustrated like from his perspective it's like like look i came in and

01:03:36.720 worked hard he didn't work well you know it wasn't successful but i came in to cut waste right doge

01:03:44.240 you know and um and the original promise was two trillion you know and then they they you know cut

01:03:50.420 that down to one trillion and it ended up being like 160 billion and they couldn't even produce

01:03:55.620 you know tax like receipts for the 160 billion i think the only receipts and even it was like 65

01:04:02.900 billion so you're talking about at that point from two trillion down to 65 billion so you're

01:04:08.280 talking about like 0.3 you know two five percent of what was originally promised and then even in

01:04:14.740 that they found question marks so you're talking about a guy who yes he he did work at cutting

01:04:20.080 waste and cutting the spending but it wasn't super successful but the point is he wants to cut all

01:04:25.640 the spending and then he finds out that you know like you're actually going to spend even more

01:04:30.540 uh you're going to not only cut debt but accrue more debt um and the cherry on top is you know

01:04:37.220 for him is probably a personal slight is like i worked to help you get elected now whether or not

01:04:42.040 trump still would have been elected without elon's influence is you know nobody knows i think he still

01:04:46.380 would have been elected i think the number one thing that got him elected was uh fight fight

01:04:51.400 fight right you know um that moment was iconic uh but the point is that um from elon's perspective

01:04:58.920 it's like you brought me in to cut waste i did the best i could and then you present a bill that

01:05:04.620 actually takes on even more debt but the one thing that you are able to cut is the thing that affects

01:05:10.000 my companies and i put my company and i've already taken a huge hit people are bombing tesla factories

01:05:15.960 right you know and i mean he's like in terms of his stock stock yeah he's lost a hundred billion

01:05:22.840 dollars he cut more from his own companies than he cut from the national budget that's really sad

01:05:29.080 when you put like so they did shut down usaid yep they did they did um until a judge in like

01:05:35.300 alabama undoes it yeah we'll see um but which is why we need the bill to pass we need trump to be

01:05:42.400 able to have the power to push forward his agenda but but that's the point is that like i i understand

01:05:47.200 at the personal level for elon it's like so you're gonna accrue even more debt and i paid this price

01:05:52.880 like an actual you know i don't know many people who've paid a hundred billion dollars to try to

01:05:58.140 help the country or you know and he's like you know and you're gonna cut the the spending on

01:06:05.220 you know the tax credits and all that kind of stuff for ev uh that it directly affects my

01:06:10.380 company but all these other things you're not going to cut so you're like you're perfectly

01:06:14.560 comfortable with debt but just not the debt that helps me after i've already paid this price so i

01:06:19.100 understand why elon is mad but in terms of like legitimacy of what needs to happen um yeah the

01:06:26.300 american people uh do not need to uh be forced to buy hybrid cars um we should be able to buy

01:06:34.440 um whatever whatever car we we want to buy we should be able to use you know like that

01:06:41.280 the government is not subsidizing the purchase as in the only reason people buy them is because

01:06:45.800 the government's coming in and plugging you checks to purchase them yeah at some point like tesla and

01:06:50.460 some of these companies you have to be able to stand on your own two legs i understand if you're

01:06:53.980 startup you know you're two years in or something like that but you're talking about um a company

01:06:58.760 that's been around for quite a while and if you're not profitable apart from government subsidies

01:07:03.380 then you're not profitable like you're just it's not that good of a company elon did come out and

01:07:10.880 tweet and said fine keep the ev vehicles the way it is just cut the wasteful spending i don't care

01:07:16.540 well good good on him for that yeah so but my point is i i don't think that that was a personal

01:07:21.520 slight on trump's part towards uh elon i think he's just i think that you know it's not just his

01:07:27.540 decision but everybody who's involved in the writing of this bill um i think that was the

01:07:31.560 right decision is to take away subsidies um from all the ev stuff and i also think it's the right

01:07:39.000 decision even if it accrues more debt um to make those financial concessions that have to be made

01:07:45.420 in order for the bill to pass right so that they can save the country and get rid of millions of

01:07:49.900 people so um in terms of policy i'm i'm 100 on trump's side um in terms of the personal feud

01:07:57.220 between them i'm sympathetic i understand where elon is coming from but again nobody voted for

01:08:01.940 elon yeah and i think he's in principle wrong yeah my two comments on this are number one um

01:08:08.200 if trump is involved at the level of the epstein files that is you know uh pedophilia and all that

01:08:16.560 sort of thing he doesn't get a pass right just because he's a republican like if that were to

01:08:20.640 come out we would roundly condemn and call for his impeachment and criminal punishment execution

01:08:28.200 depending on you know all of that um he doesn't get a pass just because he's republican or the

01:08:33.000 president um second though i i heard i forget who i heard saying elon musk is like the um

01:08:40.540 the 20 year old who joins a political campaign for the first time right right and so he comes

01:08:46.260 in all we're gonna change the world right and his response is similar to a lot of ideological 20

01:08:53.120 year olds who find out that they're not going to change the world in six months and um it just it

01:08:58.080 looks really terrible on a whatever 50 year old man as opposed to like a who is the yeah the

01:09:03.420 richest man yeah that's right it looks bad uh if you read eric isaacson's biography of elon musk

01:09:09.100 he definitely traces this pattern of behavior it's his ambition that makes him so powerful

01:09:14.180 we're going to come in and we're going to cut two trillion dollars of government spending like

01:09:18.140 hats off yeah and sometimes spacex rockets tesla literally just sheer willpower he accomplishes it

01:09:25.660 but it's also his greatest downfall so set goals that are just they're all practically impossible

01:09:30.100 and then when they become impossible uh and gets it from his father and i'm sympathetic to it but

01:09:35.840 it's definitely something that he does not take lightly i mean the guy who's trying to take us

01:09:39.540 to mars like he's not the kind of guy who's like super soft-spoken and he gets you know insulted

01:09:44.380 he's like well that's water off a duck's back like no i mean guys it's elon musk so i know john

01:09:50.260 dupre and cameron stevenson they both suggested is this maybe the unit party kind of playing

01:09:54.440 they're kind of like playing uh you know back and forth or is this to get the epstein files out i

01:09:59.800 think the epstein files have been incinerated shredded destroyed everything that's left is

01:10:04.340 stuff we already know we already know the ties to massad we already know about the blackmail

01:10:08.020 We already know Trump visited with Epstein.

01:10:10.700 I just don't think there's any bombshells left.

01:10:12.880 Yeah, I don't think so either.

01:10:14.340 I think there were, but yeah, I think it's never going to see the light of day.

01:10:18.660 Right.

01:10:18.840 Do you have a graph you were going to show, Wes?

01:10:20.740 Nope.

01:10:21.220 I'm just looking for a Bible passage.

01:10:23.240 Okay, let's go ahead and deal with some of the super chats.

01:10:26.660 And then, Nathan, you could also start to formulate other questions outside of super chats.

01:10:31.240 If we have time, we'll get to them.

01:10:32.800 Evan Davies gave five pounds.

01:10:34.620 he said praying both men come to the lord and reconcile may we see more of psalm 133 1

01:10:42.440 keep up the great work guys christ is king amen thank you we appreciate that uh yeah it would be

01:10:49.300 great if elon became a christian and trump if he's not already if he became a christian trump is

01:10:55.440 either a professing christian or a nominal christian um it'd be great to see that happen

01:11:00.380 for both of them uh cool dude gave us ten dollars thank you cool dude he says uh it annoys me that

01:11:07.680 uh feel and co name all their wicked tech after talking lore uh talking would despise it all

01:11:15.740 sick great show rrm uh thanks cool dude appreciate that great stuff yeah it is it is funny like how

01:11:22.740 many people there's so many libs that like are trying to hijack c.s lewis for instance and like

01:11:29.020 c.s lewis was a liberal right what are you talking about um and it gives the cover too because the

01:11:35.200 thing about alex carp and peter teal they're not woke in the traditional sense and so it kind of

01:11:39.220 creates like a faux kind of right-wing movement that's been kind of the point is that you have

01:11:43.120 these guys be it from claremont or be it the peter teals or be it even bronze age pervert

01:11:47.200 and they look like they're on the right wing and they're based and they're this side or the other

01:11:51.120 but then you get down to it and like wait you say that share the same technocratic assumptions

01:11:55.520 about the malleability of what it means to be a human being and you use all this language and

01:12:00.380 you're against wokeness and so if most conservatives like that's all we need to see this is our guy

01:12:04.580 and we're trying to say is look a little deeper what is the fundamental orientation priority

01:12:09.860 what's their stance on israel how do they actually feel about all of these things before you just

01:12:14.240 you sign up and you say this is great yeah um let's see nick uh or appeal to heaven yep um

01:12:22.500 appeal to heaven seven super chat two dollars we appreciate it he says elon is a lolbert

01:12:28.140 um at heart hate to say it um i think just somebody who just incures uh laughs you know

01:12:36.760 unfortunately like a little cow but he's the richest man in the world yeah i'd be a little

01:12:41.460 bird if i got to be the richest man in the world i'd take all the i take it for free at this point

01:12:46.060 pretty much. Yeah, right. Yeah. Thanks, Nick. We appreciate that. Luke McLamb, $20. Luke McLamb,

01:12:53.280 he says, an illegal immigrant with no insurance rear-ended my 94 Celica last week. I support the 1.00

01:13:01.500 big, beautiful bill more than ever. Time for the lads to go. Agreed. Yeah, I agree. And for those

01:13:09.140 of you listening, a 94 Celica sounds like a really old car. I think that's like a really nice car

01:13:14.160 that people try to get their hands on so not a toyota camry right okay this one is from neville

01:13:21.620 neville says do you think ai is a net negative for humanity how do you think ai plays into

01:13:29.000 eschatology it's a great question for next week's episode we're gonna do an episode on it yep my

01:13:34.460 my you know just brief one is you know in terms of um narrow ai which is all we have right now

01:13:41.380 um it's not actually sentient it's not actually conscience it's not uh human or thinking for

01:13:47.340 itself it appears to be thinking for itself but it's just you know scouring the internet and

01:13:51.600 putting you know it's patterns um and so like a like true artificial intelligence um that's you

01:13:59.960 know sentient um i i personally don't think that um that it's possible is my position um so i think

01:14:07.460 that that's something that would be terrible and incredibly dangerous and something that's

01:14:12.720 outside of the bounds of the world that god created in his natural order so i you know i

01:14:18.680 don't i don't think it's possible just like a you know like pigs flying or you know something like

01:14:23.160 that so the type of ai that we're talking about narrow ai is a tool it's a really really powerful

01:14:29.740 tool and so i think just like with the invention of every tool whether it be a hammer or whether

01:14:35.620 it be you know in an ar you know or whatever the tool is uh with tools come incredible abilities

01:14:43.640 um to produce things and also incredible uh risks and dangers so yeah the question is not

01:14:51.560 inherently um is ai good or bad i think the question remains um will we wield it well can

01:14:58.580 we use it well i don't know we might have to debate it next week yeah i i don't know either

01:15:03.800 I mean, I don't feel great about our leadership class here, much less, you know, China.

01:15:08.980 There are fundamental assumptions, definitions of utility that are built into AI.

01:15:14.000 Like it's only possible for something to be built at the Internet, which is built upon, you know, be it the Industrial Revolution and ultimately the printing press, like the mass production of recording of words and all of that.

01:15:24.220 So this is kind of in some ways it feels like the end stage.

01:15:26.660 Like if we're going to do the Internet and we're going to have data available, then why not take a lot of data?

01:15:31.140 Why not have jobs that relate to collating data?

01:15:33.140 And then if we're going to collate data, why don't we do it faster?

01:15:35.240 And we do it faster, ultimately, not by doing it by humans, but by machines.

01:15:38.640 And that's what it means to be productive is to collate.

01:15:40.960 So we'll have to explore more of that next week.

01:15:42.920 Yeah.

01:15:44.080 All right.

01:15:44.680 We've got one more super chat.

01:15:46.320 We've got Nick Boner, quick, Bonner. 0.99

01:15:49.920 Bonner, slip of the tongue there.

01:15:52.120 $20 super chat from Nick, great brother.

01:15:54.700 I'd like to export a few worthless Canadian dollars to write response for being based.

01:15:59.220 He said Canadian 20, which, what is that?

01:16:01.980 Three, four dollars, American?

01:16:03.140 three or four bucks the way we keep printing i don't know they might beat us

01:16:06.880 thanks nick we appreciate that and then kevin ellis is our last super chat for today he gave

01:16:12.360 ice uh ten dollars you think it's uh oh there's no l my bad ice ice kevin ice uh ten dollars from

01:16:20.160 kevin thank you he said is habitual all right so this is a topic change but we'll do our best to

01:16:25.040 address it if you have kids probably not yeah don't finish it out yeah listening morning for

01:16:29.540 the children, he's asking a question about marital fidelity. Is habitual porn use grounds

01:16:36.880 for divorce? What are your thoughts on a wife who catches her husband watching porn again and again,

01:16:42.980 asking him to leave their home until he shows signs of change?

01:16:48.280 Until he shows change. Let me add some context here in the Greek because it's important.

01:16:52.980 So Matthew chapter 5 is the premier teaching on, we think of, what pornography would relate to.

01:16:59.600 This would be adultery.

01:17:00.660 19.9 is a sister verse.

01:17:03.180 It's almost identical.

01:17:04.600 But there's a little bit of a difference in the words that he has here.

01:17:07.620 Actually, it's the same in both.

01:17:09.680 Oh, it is? Okay.

01:17:11.060 So Matthew 5.27, you have heard it said, you shall not commit adultery.

01:17:15.100 And so adultery there is a Greek word.

01:17:17.400 It's, I don't know how to pronounce it very well, but mokeu?

01:17:20.380 It starts with an M, and it's a different Greek word.

01:17:22.980 you shall not commit adultery and it's referencing there the literal actual act of adultery you can

01:17:28.580 fill in what that means but i say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lust for her

01:17:32.460 has already committed adultery same word with her in his heart if your right eye makes you stumble

01:17:37.440 tear it out and throw it off you for it is better you to lose one part of your body than your whole

01:17:41.160 body to be thrown into hell and he follows that up so that was verse 27 follows that up in verse 31 0.75

01:17:47.240 whoever sends his wife away that'll give her a certificate of divorce but i say to you that

01:17:52.360 everyone who divorces his wife except for the reason of, and he uses a different word here,

01:17:57.260 not the word that starts with an M, but the Greek word pornea. Whoever divorces his wife except for

01:18:02.700 the reason of unchastity makes her commit to commit adultery. And whoever marries a divorced

01:18:08.020 woman commits adultery. A couple of years ago, I did think that it was more narrowly simply adultery

01:18:13.280 that's in reference. So Jesus says, look, there's physical adultery, there's adultery of the heart,

01:18:17.460 but only the physical one is what technically would qualify as grounds for divorce.

01:18:22.440 But the word that Jesus does use in his teaching in Matthew, Matthew 5 and Matthew 19,

01:18:27.300 whoever divorces his wife except on grounds of sexual immorality,

01:18:31.420 that Greek word pornea, it has the idea of immorality, of lewdness, of lasciviousness,

01:18:36.820 of visiting brothels and prostitution. 0.95

01:18:38.940 So it's kind of a big catch-all for fornication and uncleanness.

01:18:42.280 except on these grounds, unless someone does that,

01:18:46.420 he himself then commits adultery.

01:18:48.460 He's betrayed his marital vows.

01:18:50.100 And so you have to be really careful

01:18:51.820 because if you tie it back to that verse, 27,

01:18:54.700 just a couple of verses ago,

01:18:56.300 what you could say is every man ever that has just looked,

01:18:59.060 we're not even talking pornography at this point,

01:19:00.700 has looked at a woman lustfully.

01:19:02.420 Jesus says that, and it is a sin,

01:19:04.220 who has looked at a woman lustfully,

01:19:05.560 has committed adultery in his heart.

01:19:07.600 So because he's committed that act,

01:19:09.320 then therefore there's sexual immorality.

01:19:11.180 And so any wife ever, if his eyes linger too long on buffalo wildlings, there it is.

01:19:15.940 He was unfaithful in his marriage.

01:19:17.360 That is not, categorically, that is not what is in view, what Jesus is saying.

01:19:23.180 Now, I don't think he strictly limits it to, well, technically, we literally didn't sleep 0.60

01:19:28.060 together, but we did X and Y and Z, and I've been using pornography and masturbation and 0.93

01:19:33.160 all of that. 0.75

01:19:33.940 No, Jesus is saying, no, these are uncleanness and they are grounds for divorce.

01:19:37.260 However, I think your keys would be unrepentant and long-term.

01:19:41.180 I want to open it up, but so kind of in that question, you're talking to a husband again

01:19:45.340 and again and again.

01:19:47.180 I would add to that repentant.

01:19:48.940 I think there's cause for separation.

01:19:50.540 That's what you start with first.

01:19:52.000 Separation with the aim of restoration. 0.89

01:19:53.820 You are, of course, involving the church.

01:19:55.720 The church is calling to him to repent and then not just repent in word.

01:19:59.520 Okay, I'm sorry, I won't do it again.

01:20:01.100 Action.

01:20:01.600 Get rid of your laptop.

01:20:02.420 Get rid of your phone.

01:20:03.220 Put covenant eyes on maybe where you work, whatever it is like this, the people you surround

01:20:07.480 yourself with.

01:20:08.020 So the church, they're calling him to repentance in word and in deed.

01:20:12.920 And then if it gets to the point where there's not that separation for the safety of the wife, the safety of the children, with the aim not being separation towards divorce, but separation for a time for him to come to his senses and say, I need to get this under control.

01:20:26.140 God's going to throw me in hell, first of all, but I'm also going to lose my marriage and my family.

01:20:30.000 I think that's the best framing.

01:20:31.820 It's most faithful to Jesus's words and what Jesus is conveying in the Gospel of Matthew.

01:20:36.760 What do you think, Michael?

01:20:38.020 I don't it's not that I disagree it's just that it does come down at a certain point to a

01:20:44.640 determination by elders of a church to at what point it has been unrepentant or repentant or

01:20:51.800 etc and if it does come down to a wisdom determination and discernment determination

01:20:58.000 ironically I'm arguing the opposite of what I said in the little break between the commercials

01:21:03.980 there's there's not an objective standard there anymore right because at some point it is

01:21:09.620 um we as elders have determined that this is x amount or x lack of repentant or

01:21:18.960 you did it 10 times yes yes and so i i think i think clearly there is a point where

01:21:25.820 using pornography becomes grounds for divorce but what's really tricky is with adultery like

01:21:33.120 a physical act there's an objective it either happened or it didn't and that's what i used to

01:21:39.220 think until like the word jesus does use there yeah and all of its context and all of its broader

01:21:43.800 usage paul and his epistles it is broader and i think jesus intention is to say again like a man

01:21:49.520 couldn't come and be like well technically i didn't like no he's living in a sexually immoral

01:21:54.200 lifestyle that's destroying his body destroying his wife and their family it's at a certain point

01:21:58.980 dangerous to be around so jesus says these would be grounds if persisted in because the context um

01:22:05.060 is it seems like there's a man or probably a man who wants to divorce his wife frivolously

01:22:10.420 right right and jesus is saying you were told if you're going to do that if you're just going to

01:22:14.900 get rid of her get a new wife or whatever uh you have to give her a certificate of divorce but i

01:22:19.700 tell you but i tell you that no the the intention is that you stay married and only upon the grounds

01:22:25.700 of sexual immorality can you get divorced and so the the appealer here or the the person that jesus

01:22:32.500 is arguing against is looking for how can i get out of a marriage right we have to start this

01:22:38.500 conversation too with the with the statement that ideally even in the case of adultery i'm

01:22:44.820 not saying it would be easy or quick but ideally if the man would repent or the woman would repent

01:22:49.540 and there can be a reunification,

01:22:55.560 like even there, it would be ideal he repents

01:22:58.800 or she repents fully, they come back together.

01:23:01.880 What Jesus is saying is what can get you out of a marriage?

01:23:05.020 Right, what makes it permissible? 0.54

01:23:06.660 What makes it permissible for you to leave?

01:23:08.500 The ideal is almost always reconciliation.

01:23:11.900 Yes, yes.

01:23:12.520 And so then with the pornography question,

01:23:15.240 it does come down to a discernment and wisdom and help from elders.

01:23:21.140 And so I'm not saying that it's not grounds for divorce.

01:23:25.160 I'm saying it is a little bit of a, it becomes a discernment question

01:23:29.700 that a local body of elders has to navigate through very carefully.

01:23:33.500 Yeah, what's difficult with it is in the case of adultery, indeed,

01:23:38.000 not just the matter of the heart, not just the spirit of adultery,

01:23:41.040 but action, behavior.

01:23:42.220 In the case of full-blown adultery, it could be a scenario where it is a one-off event where a man or a woman gives into that temptation and commits that specific, it's very tangible and objective, specific behavior, and then is either caught or, here's the thing, because it's an argument for permissibility.

01:24:08.720 it could be that uh that the individual even comes and confesses and is repentant and it only

01:24:13.900 happened one time yep and biblically speaking the wife can still divorce that or the other spouse

01:24:19.180 could divorce them and because it's an argument from permissibility so it's not about the ideal

01:24:23.880 like we as elders you know michael and i um that guy confesses that guy comes and he's broken

01:24:29.740 hearted he's in tears i love you i'm so sorry like we would counsel that wife all day long

01:24:35.200 to do her best to forgive her husband

01:24:38.260 and to reconcile the marriage.

01:24:40.080 But if she was determined that she wanted a divorce,

01:24:44.760 we would not place her under church discipline.

01:24:46.880 She wouldn't be disciplined for it.

01:24:49.420 So when I compare that to the broader context

01:24:52.420 of pornonia and thinking of all forms of sexual immorality,

01:24:58.420 if a guy looked at pornography one time

01:25:01.100 and same scenario, confesses to his wife

01:25:04.620 and is truly repentant and in tears um and that wife said um i forgive him he's asked for my

01:25:13.440 forgiveness i forgive him um but i do not trust him and i'd like to divorce him um we would say

01:25:19.100 you're not permitted to divorce him right so that's where all of a sudden the subjective

01:25:23.040 comes in where wes you you have to begin making the argument of well well but that's not what i'm

01:25:28.720 talking about i'm talking about if it's this number of times or if there's no repentance or

01:25:32.980 if it's habitual or if it's you know it's it's been for a month or for a year or for a decade

01:25:38.060 but but it's categorically different in the sense that in in the case of adultery to me this is the

01:25:46.660 big objective difference in the case of actual adultery it could be one time and the person

01:25:52.620 could immediately confess and be truly repentant and that that spouse could divorce them without

01:26:00.420 any ecclesiastical consequences right we would not put their spouse under church discipline

01:26:06.100 whereas in in the other case and i've literally pastored a case like this a few years back

01:26:11.860 where there was no adultery in in actuality indeed but an individual who struggled with lust

01:26:19.760 and masturbation and um and um and confessed yep was not caught confessed and was repentant

01:26:30.620 and uh and the wife literally used that argument uh to um to divorce her husband right and in the 1.00

01:26:39.060 state of texas she can it could be just one side right and so she went all the way through with 1.00

01:26:43.640 it we pleaded with her for months to change her mind not to do it and she uh she divorced her

01:26:49.380 husband and um and i believe that that was absolutely right a sin and that's in our whole

01:26:55.640 church it was one of those matters that rose to the level where we had to tell it to the church

01:26:59.900 per matthew 18 and the church agreed unanimously that um that she was that uh she was in sin and

01:27:06.760 it was it was not a lawful divorce because the man was repentant he confessed and he changed

01:27:14.400 repentant in word and in deed he changed his behavior um but i'm just saying that the key 0.95

01:27:20.220 difference is if it was that exact same scenario but instead of lust and masturbation insert um 0.81

01:27:27.280 adultery we we would have said we think this is the wrong decision and gosh we wish that you would 0.90

01:27:33.420 you seek to reconcile like please don't do this you know like but but she wouldn't be placed under

01:27:39.580 church discipline she would not be um she would not be penalized for the decision of that divorce

01:27:45.760 i think that's that's the it's it's categorical difference yeah so it's it's really tough and

01:27:51.140 then the last thing i was going to say that further complicates it is kind of getting back to you know

01:27:55.700 something that we've talked about um you know in the past and that we actually are going to talk

01:28:01.740 about a little bit next week when we um you know uh do uh an episode on gambling and how like part

01:28:08.280 of what makes gambling so difficult today that gambling is you know it's almost like the oldest

01:28:13.400 profession like prostitution i mean it's pretty old um but used to you know like you had to do

01:28:18.980 the walk of shame you know you got to walk to the bad part of town and go to you know the the casino

01:28:24.280 you know whatever or the the den of thieves you know the back room and everybody knows what you're

01:28:29.300 doing that you know and and you're paying a social consequence yeah um and it's just in terms of

01:28:35.180 aside from just the shame you know culturally shameful uh societal shame it's also just

01:28:41.260 practically inconvenient you got to put on pants you got to walk down the street or hop in your

01:28:46.180 car and and then even when you think of you know modern times here in the united states it's like

01:28:51.520 i've got to i've got to fly all the way to vegas you know and take time off of work and do this

01:28:56.580 and make arrangements and get a hotel and uh but now with sports gambling being able to just

01:29:01.500 on your phone anytime you know and you can bet on anything you bet on politics you can bet on

01:29:06.920 anything and so you can bet on anything and you can bet any amount any amount um from from the

01:29:13.160 click of a button laying in bed at night well same kind of concept applied to uh pornonia um

01:29:20.580 like there was a time where it's like um when you think of of when you think of the premeditated

01:29:27.980 when i you know like we we have these categories even when it comes to murder there's a crime of

01:29:31.840 passion um you know and and then there's you know and then there's um premeditated murder like this

01:29:38.320 person has been he's been noodling right we like that word he's been noodling on this murder for

01:29:42.640 quite some time i mean he even busted out the whiteboard yeah you know the charts you know he

01:29:47.040 was he was plotting he was scheming he was playing the range and we would all agree that like that

01:29:52.220 that is another level of malice right now regardless of whether it incurs a different

01:29:57.920 punishment because biblically speaking there's not three categories of you know third degree

01:30:02.000 manslaughter and then second degree crime of passion and then first degree premeditated

01:30:06.280 biblically there's only two categories not three there's manslaughter so um it was an accident

01:30:11.440 accidental and then intentional and that intent could be in the moment crime of passion or it

01:30:16.220 could be premeditated but both of those cases merit capital punishment so the punishment is

01:30:20.900 the same. And I'm going to go with the Bible. So I agree with that in terms of the punishment 0.89

01:30:26.280 for second degree crime of passion and premeditated. I think both should be

01:30:31.160 capital punishment. But even though I agree, of course, with the Bible and the penalties it 0.99

01:30:36.920 ascribes, I think that there's nothing biblically to argue against the fact, the point that I'm 0.87

01:30:44.740 making right now, which is both merit the death penalty. But I think that one does still involve

01:30:50.420 a higher degree of animus and malice and wickedness um the one that that was this was plotted

01:30:56.900 and schemed and like it's not just i lost self-control in a moment it's like i have been

01:31:02.520 sitting here for months or even a couple years plotting and scheming i think that's a greater

01:31:08.180 wickedness so that being said when it comes to pononia um there is a different degree of of

01:31:17.260 wickedness um the guy who um who you know waits till his uh wife is on a trip out of town you know

01:31:26.860 um and and then he you know it saves up his money he has to pay for it and and then he's going you

01:31:34.740 know across town or he has to leave the state you know or the province you know the area and go

01:31:40.520 somewhere else and find a brothel and put like that that's different like i just i think of like 1.00

01:31:47.860 biblical times you know in the first century and i think like um in their culture if there was a man

01:31:54.740 who on a daily basis was um was seeing uh women um in their their undergarments

01:32:04.040 they would say yeah this man is riddled with porno and in our context i think um well that's

01:32:11.480 a man who goes to the public park right right during the summer yeah like you know like shorts 0.57

01:32:18.280 that are literally somehow i don't it defies the laws of physics but shorts that are actually 1.00

01:32:22.640 shorter than than underwear itself right you know or like what's the difference uh between a woman 1.00

01:32:27.440 covering herself you know like oh you know in her underwear uh versus a woman who is perfectly

01:32:32.320 comfortable uh well if it's a swimsuit right you know and then all of a sudden it becomes socially

01:32:37.480 acceptable you know to wear your underwear in public and and so my point is like when you you

01:32:43.060 think of technology the cell phone the access to porn you think of the culture and the lack of

01:32:48.180 modesty and just the way uh that that you know people dress if you just even go into the grocery

01:32:53.700 store you know that you could make an argument we've made this argument that uh yeah you um

01:32:58.100 in our culture today probably shouldn't go to public pools we've made that argument but um but

01:33:04.280 these days it's like because they're playing rap music right yes yeah oh the other reason both um

01:33:11.700 the rap music and the uh the the skimpy bathing suits but these days like you could make uh you

01:33:18.300 could just about make that same argument for why you can't go to whole foods right right you see 0.99

01:33:24.140 what i'm saying the costco would still be okay because there you've got full hijab or right 0.61

01:33:28.540 right there you actually but even in that case you still got the midriff right like that 80 year 0.99

01:33:33.780 old it's it's crazy dude but the 80 year old indian women i don't think there's a lot of risk

01:33:37.940 falls into the porneia yeah i don't know if that counts i'm not at risk but i'm just saying dude

01:33:46.380 but i'm saying we live in texas and this is like a weekly occurrence when we go to uh costco and

01:33:51.700 i'm like here you gotta go to a different cost i'm just gonna put that out there no no it's not

01:33:57.400 it's not the one that we go to no really yeah is it sam's club that you go to no we go to the one

01:34:03.380 up uh in georgetown the north georgetown one yeah we go to the one in round rock nathan do you go

01:34:08.140 to the georgetown costco yeah you know there isn't a costco in round rock yeah my bad i don't need

01:34:12.600 these things uh have you been to the georgetown one yeah is it is it better there's more diversity

01:34:19.220 there i'll give it that i've been to both nathan won't even answer the question he's like the way

01:34:22.960 i phrase it better he knows what i mean um but anyways the point is you get my point so costco

01:34:29.160 who knows what the attire is going to be because you have every nation in the world represented but

01:34:33.760 um but but seriously like the point is it's not just the swimming pool anymore it's the public

01:34:39.340 park it's you know it's it's uh can i go on a walk in my neighborhood you know and there's some girl

01:34:44.180 with like booty shorts jogging you know um and so so anyways my point is just when i think of like

01:34:51.360 what you're arguing wesley like it was very well articulated and especially of course you know

01:34:56.740 using the scripture that that it's an actual different word you're you're right but my concern

01:35:01.760 is um you know with what michael was saying like in terms of like how do we execute this how do

01:35:07.780 we carry it out as a church and like as elders and i'm thinking um yeah like it's it's i like

01:35:17.360 i would never make that argument this guy um this guy looked at porn once and confessed and is deeply

01:35:24.940 repentant and is now permissible for the wife to divorce him or uh this guy went to the swimming

01:35:30.560 pool with his family and um and his wife you know caught him looking too long right some teenage

01:35:38.160 girl you know and but he but he repented of it you know and and it's like yeah uh if she wants

01:35:44.800 she can wreck the marriage i mean that to me would be insane and so it's just crazy like when i think

01:35:50.340 of when i think of like this world our culture today uh technologically the accessibility the

01:35:57.620 lack of modesty in real life um and and coupling those two things together and then you couple

01:36:03.660 that also with feminism so it's already as it pertains if it's the man who's failing

01:36:08.760 there it's already ingrained in the hearts of not all but many women um to to want out of the

01:36:15.680 marriage and here's the biblical clause so i can maintain my christian hat you know my christian 1.00

01:36:20.120 card um and then so so that's uh feminism uh churches the average church plays the feminism

01:36:27.360 the technology porn in your pocket uh the culture porn you know in the driveway going for a jog 1.00

01:36:33.080 and then lastly the courts and so not only can she leave the marriage um but she can leave the 0.81

01:36:39.500 marriage and uh chances are she will get the kids right and the house right and this and that and

01:36:45.860 so i look at that and that's why i'm slow yeah i'm just slower to answer because i just like

01:36:51.480 that the whole deck is is rigged against particularly against men yeah the church

01:36:57.200 needs to be involved whether you would be with joel or you would say go broader um there are

01:37:02.620 unfortunately there are a lot of marriages wives writing into like groups like covenant eyes like

01:37:07.460 what do i do my husband has a habit and he just won't stop yeah and so uh kevin also brought up

01:37:13.000 that was on grounds for divorce leaving the home so a type of separation yes right counsel the

01:37:18.680 elders but that would be a good step of this is serious this is not just oh i slipped up no this

01:37:24.780 is serious you need to leave the home and think twice who you want to be committed to are you

01:37:29.480 following christ or following yourself are you committed this family or to your own pleasure

01:37:33.320 yeah i've counseled that before and that's i'm glad you brought that up because even in cases of

01:37:38.140 abuse like physical abuse people there's a lot of christians like theologians modern theologians

01:37:44.720 it's not a historic position but modern theologians who want to add uh you know this third

01:37:50.140 clause a third a you know so um like traditionally like there's a lot of guys on the side of

01:37:56.600 adultery only and then there are a lot of guys throughout church history on the side of adultery

01:38:00.240 and abandonment but then there are modern guys who want to say adultery abandonment and um abuse

01:38:05.640 and that's the same kind of scenario where in the case of abuse we would never uh counsel anything

01:38:12.020 that would um physically endanger a wife and her children so we would immediately counsel

01:38:17.640 separation and you might even call the police and help with it if it's a crime we would also call

01:38:23.980 the state and because that falls under their jurisdiction and that's biblically proper

01:38:28.420 so involving the state uh so the church is now dealing with it as a discipline case

01:38:33.260 not yet risen to the point of excommunication but we're telling it to the church we're dealing with

01:38:39.140 this we've also informed the state so it's uh i've been um it's been you know presented to the

01:38:45.060 proper authorities there if there's any crimes committed then then that man is subject to the

01:38:49.320 penalties for those crimes and we've counseled immediate uh separation and it could even be

01:38:54.220 that in the midst of separation um if he's particularly hostile he's not repentant uh then

01:38:59.640 number one ecclesiastically we would excommunicate him from the church and then legally civilly with

01:39:05.020 the state uh we would immediately counsel uh that wife to file a restraining order right um against

01:39:11.140 him and uh but my point is um we wouldn't just jump to uh well my husband has been um abusive

01:39:20.000 as terrible as that is and therefore uh the bible uh lets me divorce him right and like i'm not

01:39:27.140 aware of that verse and the bible matters so that's not we're not saying we're going to endanger

01:39:32.420 women and children we'd make sure they're safe so to me it's just a really the whole because the

01:39:37.860 whole thrust i like michael that you brought in the you know the larger context the whole thrust

01:39:41.440 of that text is to say quit turning your wives away right quit divorcing lightly right um you

01:39:48.920 know i tell you like you know moses said offer a certificate of divorce but i tell you in the

01:39:53.200 beginning it was not so right and uh and so he's saying this is not god's heart for marriage and uh

01:39:58.980 and it's a really really big deal to end the covenant of marriage apart from anything but death

01:40:03.660 and uh and so then he's putting very strong uh guardrails he says there's only one reason

01:40:10.180 jesus only gives one reason now you can argue that there's a second if you look at the apostle

01:40:14.720 paul in first corinthians 7 but jesus only gives one reason and uh and it is adultery and then

01:40:20.780 later uses the word pornonia which is broader but how how that gets defined and how that gets

01:40:28.220 applied i think uh you i i personally could not apply it to um he did it once he repented he

01:40:37.480 confessed and it's still permissible to divorce whereas if it's full-blown adultery even in that

01:40:43.200 scenario we would never counsel divorce we'd say please forgive and reconcile but she could divorce

01:40:50.720 if it was even one time not caught confessed repented um all those things if it was adultery

01:40:57.700 and to be clear from the beginning and i i said it then i would i'm not ever implying a single

01:41:02.340 use time i'm talking about a little addict who refuses to give it up i would think yeah my

01:41:08.120 interpretation is sounds like we disagree i would think that's caught in what jesus saying of sexual

01:41:12.420 morality being no you made that very clear and i i i completely agree i'm just saying that like

01:41:18.280 that would be the to me that's the categorical distinction is that you're saying no way would

01:41:23.200 i counsel divorce uh with a one one-off offense what i'm saying though is um um over here a one-off

01:41:31.240 offense uh may not merit the counseling divorce but the permissibility is there yep yeah whereas

01:41:37.420 you correct me if i'm wrong but you not only would you not counsel it as the ideal but you

01:41:41.780 wouldn't even allow for it as a permissibility nope with if it was one-time pornea no and even

01:41:47.500 if it was repentant practically and again it's like repentant got to the point where like you

01:41:51.260 have to get rid of your phone like okay i'm willing to do it and they somehow find it on

01:41:54.700 a friend's phone like but even there no i want to be done with this i want to be through with it

01:41:58.660 okay you need to cut that friend off now like yeah so as long as they're even stepping in that 0.51

01:42:02.920 i don't think you're talking about because that idea with pernia is a lifestyle that's some of

01:42:07.080 the applications of it so like at that point he's saying this could be defining of me as a lifestyle

01:42:11.600 but i'm fighting by god's grace i'm attempting to put sin to death i have accountability partners

01:42:16.520 the church is rallying around me i don't want to be defined by this i appreciate that so you're

01:42:21.400 saying like adultery is an act pornea is a life a sexually immoral life so it's not just a moral

01:42:28.260 like he's drinking or partying or drugs it's not just a moral but it's a way of life whereas

01:42:33.800 adultery actually is just an action it could also be a way of life but but it also can just simply

01:42:39.580 be an action and because they the covenant the two shall become one in marriage the act is the

01:42:45.380 two becoming one. And adultery, same thing with death, is it breaks the two apart. That a man

01:42:50.640 then binds to another woman or a woman goes and breaks that bond and binds to another man. But

01:42:55.580 through sexual immorality, I think as Jesus is teaching, whether that literally be only the act

01:42:59.700 of adultery, is that so broken by sexual immorality, by wickedness, by perversion, that nothing exists

01:43:07.160 of it anymore. So he's saying recognizing it in divorce is the final formal step for something

01:43:12.260 that's already broken apart a man commits adultery sleeps another woman divorce is simply recognizing

01:43:16.980 that he already broke what was broken but it still it still runs into the at what point yep

01:43:22.720 question and the bible neglects often even with church discipline for other things and neglects

01:43:27.980 to give us a list yeah it does like we're talking about not having provided for eight months and

01:43:32.460 unemployment ran out two months ago that always forgoes says wisdom over let me give you the exact

01:43:37.620 specifications for you to get talmudic with it right that's that and that honestly that's how

01:43:43.400 it is i appreciate you saying that because that is kind of the heart of the differences um like

01:43:47.840 trying to predict every single scenario that could ever happen to where like there's so many rules

01:43:53.980 and regulations that you're choked versus the bible um it's not that it doesn't offer anything

01:43:59.840 that's tangible and concrete but but the heart of it is um the spirit of the law we'll check out

01:44:06.300 with steve lawson and i'm not going to give a ton of details but i think he technically maintained

01:44:10.500 we didn't literally do the full and final act of consummation and so technically did he commit

01:44:16.140 adultery but you would be able to say no you were sexually immoral with even if you didn't look

01:44:22.400 literally technically do this you did x and y and z with someone who is not your wife and you broke

01:44:27.440 the covenant of marriage consciously and unrepentantly and for five you don't get out of

01:44:31.700 it because well technically i actually but i think combined with that it's also the fact that

01:44:37.520 it was ongoing it was five years and he got caught yep steve lawson did not confess yeah um and it

01:44:45.260 was questionable whether or not he was even repentant at first for a while there for a while

01:44:50.160 yeah and so yeah so i'm yeah i'm with you like you you know so let's say it was a one-off in

01:44:56.960 that scenario and he's like well technically i didn't you know x y and z but but we were you

01:45:03.180 know we were unclothed together touching each other and those kind then um but we would say

01:45:08.660 yeah that's we think that's adultery yeah because that is a human inclination is to get out of it

01:45:14.080 and be like well actually like no you don't understand i didn't do this the technical

01:45:18.320 letter of the law versus this right yeah bottom line is i think you know we've answered the

01:45:24.380 question but bottom line here at here at the end is um it does like it's inescapable like

01:45:30.480 i remember you know you know having more of a bent towards biblicism right i mean that sounds

01:45:38.220 great right biblicism how's that like that's the best doctrine in the world yeah and like and so

01:45:43.760 you know but like and i didn't wouldn't even use the word i wasn't even familiar necessarily with

01:45:47.820 what that was but i recognize now like looking back like yeah there were seasons of my life

01:45:52.400 where i was a biblicist um but the problem with biblicism is that the bible doesn't work that way

01:45:58.800 the bible is not biblicist um what i mean by that is um the bible does not offer to us

01:46:06.540 exact prescriptions for every scenario possibly imaginable under the sun to where we could just

01:46:13.720 follow the formula the bible gives us principles and then what it requires is prudence right it

01:46:20.540 absolutely requires prudence. And I understand that, like, yes, we don't want to rest on the

01:46:24.400 wisdom of man, right? So we're, you know, we have concerns, and rightfully so, towards man's reason

01:46:30.320 versus God's wisdom. But God's wisdom, in order to apply it properly, it requires regenerate man's

01:46:41.740 reason. It does. That's inescapable. You will never, whether it's politics or whether it's

01:46:48.000 church life or whether it's family or whether it's personal virtue and piety and holiness at

01:46:54.540 every single level, the Bible is not a formula. It requires prudence and wisdom and hopefully

01:47:01.640 prudence and wisdom from a regenerate born-again person who has a new nature and who is being

01:47:10.680 conformed more and more into the image of Christ and has the mind of Christ and is thinking in

01:47:16.540 godly ways but there's no escaping that if you're looking to escape that because you like well but 0.66

01:47:23.120 man is bad and totally depraved and like yeah but we're talking about christians in this case

01:47:27.340 but if you're still like well yeah but christians still sin yes and amen that's true but if you're 0.97

01:47:31.700 trying to find some kind of system religious system to avoid um any element of man's wisdom

01:47:39.860 because you know that there's the presence of sin,

01:47:43.460 then may I direct you to Islam? 0.95

01:47:46.200 May I direct you to Judaism?

01:47:48.720 But the Bible actually is going to frustrate you. 0.91

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