The NXR Podcast - THE LIVESTREAM - Universal Suffrage, Racism, & Antisemitism

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00:00:26 so a clip from one of my past sermons has been going viral over the last 24 to 48 hours here's

00:00:35 the culprit who set the whole thing off his name is jordan here's a tweet from him he says i wonder

00:00:40 who joel is referring to here and then he quotes a part of my sermon part of this clip where i say

00:00:46 it is only when you get the lowest iq population the poorest population the highest statistically

00:00:52 criminalized population and give them an equal vote with heritage americans dot dot dot

00:00:59 so he's insinuating that i'm saying black people can't vote let's go ahead and watch the clip 0.58

00:01:06 it is actually a benefit when there is an aristocracy whether formally or informally

00:01:13 meaning when there is a class of citizens that is a subset of the population as a whole

00:01:20 that have been groomed and trained rigorously

00:01:24 in virtue, in intellect, in philosophy,

00:01:28 and most importantly, the scriptures,

00:01:30 and that they would be appointed to lead

00:01:33 and the peanut gallery wouldn't.

00:01:37 But our sacred democracy,

00:01:38 you know why Democrats love democracy so much?

00:01:41 Because only when you have universal suffrage

00:01:45 do you get a Democrat elected.

00:01:48 It is only when you get the lowest IQ population, the poorest population, the highest statistically 0.87

00:01:58 criminalized population, and give them an equal vote with heritage Americans who have

00:02:05 been here for 400 years, who work hard, who pay the bulk of the taxes, and who are outstanding

00:02:12 citizens who have not broken the law.

00:02:14 It is only when you make everyone else an equal voter to them that you get someone like Ilhan Omar in a political office.

00:02:28 Nancy Pelosi, Joe Biden.

00:02:31 So true, King. Absolutely true.

00:02:34 Our founders had absolutely nothing positive to say about a raw democracy, a mob rule democracy whatsoever.

00:02:41 The whole goal was to give us a constitutional republic.

00:02:44 Now, the reality is that on paper, we still have a constitutional republic, but in function,

00:02:49 that is long gone.

00:02:51 And it's time for us to simply call a spade a spade and acknowledge that it's gone.

00:02:55 Benjamin Franklin, he was asked specifically, Mr. Franklin, what did you give us?

00:02:59 And he said, a republic if you can keep it.

00:03:02 And the verdict has come back in.

00:03:04 We did not, in fact, keep it.

00:03:06 our constitutional republic has devolved into a mob rule democracy and none of the founders had

00:03:12 anything positive to say about democracy and more importantly the scripture the bible has nothing

00:03:17 positive to say about democracy you want to find democracy biblical examples of democracy in the

00:03:22 bible here's one pilot turns to the crowd to the jews and says who do you want who do you want me

00:03:28 to release to set free barabbas or jesus and the crowd in their sacred democracy says barabbas

00:03:34 Barabbas. Give us Barabbas. And then Pilate turns and says, well, then what do you want me to do

00:03:39 with Christ? What do you want me to do with Jesus? And they say, crucify him, crucify him. Biblically

00:03:44 speaking, this is what democracy has accomplished throughout human history, the death of the Lord

00:03:50 of glory, the crucifixion of Christ, the most heinous, wicked act that has ever occurred in

00:03:56 the history of the world. Democracy sucks. Democracy is not an inherent virtue. There's nothing sacred 0.99

00:04:04 about it. And so what I'm espousing in that sermon clip, you might say, well, how did you get there?

00:04:09 Because I was railing against liberalism and egalitarianism. And egalitarianism runs all the

00:04:15 way down. It is not just the difference between men and women. Well, I'm not an egalitarian. I'm

00:04:20 a complementarian. We have male elders, and we only allow men to preach on the Lord's Day, 0.80

00:04:24 except for on Mother's Day. We might have Beth Moore come in, you know, and preach at our church. 0.79

00:04:28 No, you're an egalitarian. You are a feminist. But feminism is just one expression of egalitarianism. 1.00

00:04:35 Liberalism is like the car. Egalitarianism is the engine. And out of egalitarianism comes feminism. 0.98

00:04:42 But another thing that comes out of egalitarianism is democracy. See, it's not just that Johnny and

00:04:48 Jackie are different, but also Johnny and Jimmy are different. Johnny may grow up to be a statesman,

00:04:54 and Jimmy, by the grace of God and the strength that the Holy Spirit supplies, may grow up to be

00:04:59 a wonderful plumber, and that's okay. No one should demean or disparage Jimmy for being a plumber,

00:05:07 but Jimmy and Johnny are not the same. Not everyone is the same, and the idea that our nation and its

00:05:12 entire political and cultural future would be dictated by everyone is not an advantage. It's

00:05:19 not a benefit. No, I was not specifically, exclusively referencing black people. But I'm

00:05:24 not going to sit here and be dishonest. I will tell you from the statistics, yes, the policies,

00:05:30 the criteria that I would humbly suggest for who should vote in America, they would 0.70

00:05:35 disproportionately affect black people. All right. And so I tweeted this out and responded to a guy 1.00

00:05:41 named Joel Richardson. Let's pull this tweet up. Joel Richardson, he picked up this clip that was

00:05:46 going viral. He says, Joel Webin has already been very vocal about his view that women should not

00:05:51 have the right to vote. Yes and amen. Repeal the 19th Amendment. Zero apology. The 19th Amendment 1.00

00:05:56 is a wicked, heinous sin that exalts. It split the household. So much of the divorce and families 0.75

00:06:04 falling apart, you can trace it all back to the 19th Amendment. When we split the family, when

00:06:09 we split, God in his word says, what God has brought together, man and woman in marriage,

00:06:15 let no man put asunder the 19th amendment it split husband and wife husbands as the head of

00:06:22 their household cast the family vote that's the way that it was done that's the way that it should

00:06:28 be done so Joel Richardson said well Joel's already been vocal about the the fact that he's

00:06:32 not a raging feminist correct the fact that he thinks that we should go back to American policy

00:06:38 not that long ago here in this country where the 19th amendment wasn't a thing correct and here

00:06:44 He picks back up. Here, he's essentially arguing the same for black Americans. Only heritage 0.99

00:06:50 Americans, according to Joel, should have the right to vote. And then he puts in parentheses

00:06:55 there, when he says heritage Americans, he means whites like himself. So I retweeted Joel Richardson,

00:07:01 who is a raging Zionist, just for the record. His ultimate allegiance is not to Christianity, 0.97

00:07:07 not historic Christianity, but to Zionism, right? This is why he follows me, and this is why he 0.99

00:07:13 retweets me negatively and is trying to take me down. It's not so much his allegiance to,

00:07:18 I'm concerned about black people. Nope, he is concerned for Jews. He is concerned for Zionism. 0.96

00:07:24 So here's my response. I said, here's my criteria for voting. All right, I put five things. Now, 0.78

00:07:29 I would personally add a couple more, but this was just me responding as quickly as I could.

00:07:34 I said, here's five criteria for voting. Number one, America should be a Christian nation. I'm

00:07:40 a Christian nationalist. And so, yes, I would require a public profession of faith that you're

00:07:45 a Christian in order to vote. So my first requirement before getting into anything else 0.68

00:07:50 is faith. It's religion. You should be a Christian. Well, what kind of Christian, Joel? A creedal,

00:07:57 historic creed Christian. You should publicly affirm, you should have to publicly affirm

00:08:03 the Nicene Creed, the Apostles' Creed. Well, what about Catholics? Could they vote? Yes. 1.00

00:08:10 Well, what about Eastern Orthodox? Yes. What about Baptists and Anglicans and Episcopalians

00:08:16 and Presbyterians? Yes. What about Mormons? No, it's a cult. No. No, they don't believe that Jesus

00:08:24 is the creator. They believe that he is the first created. They believe he's the first created,

00:08:31 but not creator. They're non-Trinitarian. No, of course, they can't vote. They're not Christian. 1.00

00:08:37 Jehovah's Witness, what about them? 1.00

00:08:39 Nope, they're not Christian. 0.99

00:08:41 Seventh-day Adventists, nope, they're not Christian. 0.89

00:08:44 It is a cult. 1.00

00:08:46 Okay, but what about Muslims? 1.00

00:08:48 No way. 1.00

00:08:49 What about Jews? 1.00

00:08:50 No way. 1.00

00:08:52 Hindus? 1.00

00:08:53 No way. 1.00

00:08:54 Atheists? 1.00

00:08:55 No way. 0.92

00:08:55 Well, what about white European descendants who worship Thor? 0.90

00:08:59 No way. 1.00

00:09:00 Christian, that's first. 1.00

00:09:02 Second, you must be a male adult. 0.99

00:09:05 No women voting? 0.96

00:09:06 No. 1.00

00:09:07 you must be a male adult. Number three, you must be married. You must be married. Why? 0.83

00:09:12 Not everybody can have kids, but I would be using marriage in order to indicate. Of course,

00:09:18 there are exceptions. Some people can't have kids, but what it indicates is that this person,

00:09:22 because one of the main purposes of God for marriage, yes, marriage reflects the eternal

00:09:27 marriage between Christ and the church. That is one of the purposes for marriage. But another

00:09:31 major purpose for marriage listed in the scripture is procreation, right? It's posterity. It's future

00:09:38 generations. The person who forgoes marriage is a person who ultimately does not have stock in the

00:09:44 future of our country. So you need to be Christian. You need to be male. You need to be married, 1.00

00:09:50 right? Meaning that you have a stake in future generations. If you're going to dictate decisions

00:09:56 politically and culturally for the future of our nation, you need to have a stake in its future

00:10:01 that you're going to have your own descendants who are going to bear the consequences, the results

00:10:07 of the decisions that you're making when you cast your vote. Here's the fourth thing. Third

00:10:12 generation American. That's what I mean when I say heritage American. Third generation American

00:10:17 on both sides of the family, both the mother and the father. Why? Because you need to have a stake

00:10:22 in the future of the country, you're married, and a stake in the past. If you just showed up,

00:10:27 I don't care how much you love apple pie. I don't care if you've clicked your heels together,

00:10:32 said the magic words, memorized and regurgitated the Declaration of Independence, and you said

00:10:38 the magic words while standing on the magic soil, and you got a piece of paper that says you're a

00:10:42 citizen. You are not an American, and you will never be an American. That doesn't mean that you

00:10:46 can't be here peacefully, and that doesn't mean that your descendants, generations down the line,

00:10:51 that they won't eventually be Americans, but you are not an American. And I don't mean that in a

00:10:57 rude way. I mean that you're, I'm sorry, you are what you are, right? You're here on an H-1B visa

00:11:03 from India. You're Indian. You're living in America, but you're not American. Of course,

00:11:08 you're not American, but I gained citizenship, right? Then you have an American citizenship,

00:11:13 but you're not an American. If I move to Japan and I get Japanese citizenship, I will still never be 0.89

00:11:19 Japanese. And I think that a country that has its highest allegiance, that's truly America first,

00:11:25 has its highest loyalty to its native citizens, should not give voting rights. There may be some

00:11:31 form of citizenship, but there must be reserved a full voting citizenship for native citizens.

00:11:38 Those who have stock in the country, they have a stake in its future, they're married, 1.00

00:11:42 and they have a stake in its history, its heritage, its past, they are third-generation

00:11:47 Americans, right? So you need to be third generation American. Number five, net positive

00:11:52 taxpayer. Of course, there would be some exceptions, right? If you're a vet, you served in the military,

00:11:58 you went to war, you lost your legs fighting for your country. Now you can't work and you're on

00:12:04 disability and you take more in taxes than you contribute, you get to vote. You're American.

00:12:09 God bless you. Thank you for your service. And I'm sorry that the war that you lost your legs in was

00:12:14 probably our country sending you to fight for Israel. Seriously, I'm sincerely sorry about the 0.99

00:12:21 wickedness of America that would send its sons and its daughters, because we're so wicked,

00:12:26 to go and die for a foreign country instead of our own. But yes, that guy gets to vote. 0.71

00:12:32 What I'm talking about, so there are some exceptions, but I'm talking about the typical

00:12:35 person, right? Not the disabled vet, but the typical person who is a perpetual welfare class. 1.00

00:12:44 who takes from the system far more over the course of their life than they give to the system. 1.00

00:12:51 If you are taking more from taxes than you are giving in taxes, then you should not get a vote.

00:12:56 No way. And then I forgot a couple more, but dual citizen, and we'll get to that here in just a 1.00

00:13:02 moment. If you are a dual citizen, then you should not be able to vote. If you're going to vote in 1.00

00:13:07 America, right? So you can have some form of citizenship. You can live here peacefully. You

00:13:12 shouldn't be mistreated. You should be equal under the law, but you don't get a vote. If you want to

00:13:16 vote in America, then you need to be solely loyal to America. And what that looks like is

00:13:23 relinquishing your citizenship in some other foreign country. Ruth came in as a Moabitess 1.00

00:13:30 woman. She came into Israel, right? Assimilation is a thing. It does exist. She came in to Israel. 1.00

00:13:36 But here's the thing. She says, your people will be my people. Your God will be my God. And what

00:13:40 she meant by that, right? The necessary implications of that is that she was forsaking

00:13:45 her previous people, her homeland, her heritage, and she was forsaking her false Moabite gods. 0.91

00:13:53 So she doesn't come into Israel and set up shrines, public shrines in the public square 0.85

00:13:59 to false Moabite gods, right? No, no. And she doesn't maintain citizenship in Moab. No, 0.86

00:14:08 she's saying, your people will be my people, your God will be my God. And what that means is she

00:14:12 doesn't have one foot in both camps. She's fully integrating into Israel. Okay, so no, no dual

00:14:19 citizenship if you're going to be a full voting citizen in America. So you must be Christian, 1.00

00:14:24 you must be male, you must be married, you must be third generation American, heritage American, 0.87

00:14:30 you must be a net positive taxpayer, and you also cannot have dual citizenship. And then of course,

00:14:36 we might also add, you can't be a criminal. If you have a criminal record, right, not speeding

00:14:42 tickets, but a criminal record, then no, you don't get to vote, right? So that would be now seven

00:14:48 different criteria for voting. Nowhere in that did I say that this group of people, based on

00:14:56 their race, cannot vote. Again, though, I acknowledge fully because it's simply a fact 1.00

00:15:01 that this would disproportionately affect some peoples more than others, right? This would

00:15:07 disproportionately affect black people. Why? Because black people, statistically, it is proven it's a

00:15:12 reality. I don't form reality. Don't get mad at me. Reality is reality. Black people commit higher 1.00

00:15:18 crime than white people, significantly higher crime than white people. Black men abandon their 1.00

00:15:25 children and their wives more than white people. Notice when I said married, that also would 0.99

00:15:30 disclude those who have been divorced. You divorce your wife, you abandon your family,

00:15:35 you don't get to vote. Well, but that's going to affect a lot of black men, correct? 0.71

00:15:40 So they need to be better men. Yeah, we don't want garbage people voting. There are garbage 1.00

00:15:48 white people. There are garbage black people. Yeah, but Joel, there's more black people that 1.00

00:15:54 want to get... Sorry. This sounds like they need to step it up. Sounds like they need to repent. 1.00

00:16:02 Yeah, you don't get to divorce your wife and leave your kids. You don't get to be on the welfare

00:16:06 system, and you don't get to be a criminal committing crime and vote in the country. 0.55

00:16:13 So yes, these policies, you need to be a Christian, you need to be a man, you need to be married and

00:16:18 stay married, and you've got to be a net positive taxpayer. That means you provide for your kids,

00:16:22 and you don't make Daddy Sam, not just Uncle Sam, but Daddy Sam provide for your kids. And you need

00:16:28 to be third generation American. So let's go now to the next tweet. This is the next thing that I 0.89

00:16:33 said. Joel Richardson, he just clapped back, kept tweeting, kept tweeting. He said, well, given that

00:16:38 many black Americans can trace their ancestry in this country back to the 1600s, often longer than

00:16:43 the majority of white families now here, are they full heritage Americans in your view? He's asking

00:16:48 me? Or is that term simply a sanitized way of saying white? So I retweeted him and answered,

00:16:54 honestly, this has been my public position again and again. I said, yes, I have publicly said this

00:16:59 countless times despite being mocked even by those to my right. Clarence Thomas, Supreme Court

00:17:04 Justice, is a heritage American. I support his right to vote and hold office. And you, Joel

00:17:11 Richardson, are a slanderous Zionist. Okay, so there's my answer. All right, now let's go to the 1.00

00:17:17 next thing, right? Because it gets better for the last two days now, not just one clip, but another

00:17:22 one, right? The culprit this time is an account titled, Unsupervised Women Tweeting, right? So

00:17:29 you know it's going to be garbage. Unsupervised Women Tweeting. I assume that this is a single, 1.00

00:17:34 you know, wine-drinking cat lady, but if she does have a husband, shame on that man. Please 1.00

00:17:39 take away your wife's phone. She says this, Joel Webbins planned to humanely remove Jews from 0.98

00:17:46 America by pressuring them to self-deport through religious oppression and laws designed to target

00:17:52 Joel's favorite anti-Semitic stereotypes. And then she plays, shares this clip from one of our

00:17:58 podcasts. And of course, James Lindsay retweets her. He couldn't help himself. This is the renowned

00:18:03 atheist who spent his young adult years for about a decade with a new atheist movement trying to

00:18:09 destroy Christianity. And yet we have Christian pastors who are supporting him publicly. Okay,

00:18:16 But James Lindsay picks it up and says, never again is now, right? 0.51

00:18:20 Joel is Hitler.

00:18:21 Never again is now.

00:18:23 Well, let's go ahead and see the clip that they're both so worried about.

00:18:26 Here we go.

00:18:27 What I'm making is I want to see Jews believe in Jesus and be saved, okay?

00:18:31 But I also want them to stop being a problem here.

00:18:34 And I'm trying to make an argument for how this can be done humanely. 0.79

00:18:40 Like one way is, hey, you can't have dual citizenship anymore, Ben Shapiro.

00:18:44 you have to choose right what do you think ben shapiro is going to choose and you don't even

00:18:47 have to necessarily like kick people out but just say full participating citizens citizens who vote

00:18:52 citizens who hold office cannot hold citizenship in any other country correct that doesn't mean

00:18:57 to say if you have a home here oh kick it to the curb no we're not yeah we're not saying that you're 0.91

00:19:01 going to hold that dual citizenship you don't but then you but then you are forfeiting your 0.96

00:19:05 citizenship here so you can still you can still live here obeying the laws of the land but you're

00:19:10 you're no longer you no longer have full citizenship you're not able to vote you're

00:19:13 not able to hold office so so there that that's a citizenship piece uh another piece would be um

00:19:20 banning making it illegal um for there to be any kind of pornography right that will affect all

00:19:25 people but it will affect different peoples disproportionately and it will affect jews more

00:19:31 yep jews are disproportionately involved not all jews but disproportionately involved in pornography 0.73

00:19:36 so ban pornography um another ban exorbitant forms of usury loan sharks things that prey 0.76

00:19:43 on the poor right so i'm not talking about you know three percent interest um for a mortgage

00:19:50 to own a physical asset to get a home because you can't save up you know in cash to be able

00:19:55 to drop 300 grand and buy a house but um but i'm talking about you know uh interest paying interest

00:20:03 on burritos i'm talking about you know um the person the poorest of the poor who has to go and

00:20:08 get an early paycheck right right and then has to pay interest on that and just dig a deeper and 0.99

00:20:13 deeper hole and is never able to get out of it so exorbitant wicked forms of usury again jews are 0.81

00:20:21 not all jews but jews are disproportionately involved in that practice that would affect 0.66

00:20:26 them disproportionately so pornography usury dual citizenship um and then uh no i do not believe

00:20:34 there should be any public expressions of of religion and worship public expressions of worship

00:20:41 to false gods false religions in these united states so i'm not talking about uh like minority

00:20:49 report with tom cruise you know where you're trying to predict crimes and you're entering in

00:20:53 breaking down the door and entering into somebody's private home

00:20:56 and rounding them up.

00:20:57 I'm not talking about that.

00:20:59 What I am talking about, though, is, no, 1.00

00:21:01 I do not believe that we should have mosques. 1.00

00:21:04 I do not believe that we should have synagogues. 1.00

00:21:07 I do not believe that we should have, certainly not, 0.99

00:21:09 these 90-foot-tall demon statues outside of Houston.

00:21:15 They have one.

00:21:17 No, there should not be public expressions of false worships.

00:21:24 So true. Well said, Joel. Thanks, Joel. Agree with it 100%. Yeah, ban pornography. Pornography

00:21:32 should not only be, it is a sin, but biblically speaking, it should also be a crime. It should be

00:21:37 a crime. It should be banned, and there should be a penalty. In addition to that, banning exorbitant

00:21:42 forms of usury, right? Financing burritos. Gen Z, it is virtually impossible for an entire

00:21:49 generation of Americans to ever own a home. That's wicked. That's absolutely wicked. So yes, 1.00

00:21:57 ban exorbitant forms of usury, ban pornography. I've already stated it in my criteria for voting.

00:22:03 Yes, if you're a dual citizen, if you're a dual citizen, you shouldn't vote in America. You should 0.99

00:22:09 have to relinquish citizenship in that other country of origin and only have citizenship 0.96

00:22:15 in America if you're going to have full voting citizenship. Absolutely. And then in terms of 0.92

00:22:21 public displays of idolatry. Guys, that's what it is, right? We need to be honest as Christians

00:22:28 and call it what it is. If it's Islam, they worship a false god. It is idolatry. If it's 1.00

00:22:35 Judaism, they worship a false god. It is idolatry. If it's Hinduism, they worship a false god. It is 1.00

00:22:41 idolatry. And to think, God bless America, as we raise altars in our nation to false gods and

00:22:50 blaspheme Christ and think that God's going to bless us? No. No. Well, religious freedom.

00:22:58 Religious freedom is idolatry. I'll say it again. Religious freedom is wrong. It's not just wrong. 1.00

00:23:07 It's not just less than ideal or unstrategic. 1.00

00:23:10 Religious freedom is heinous. 0.99

00:23:13 It's wicked. 1.00

00:23:14 God hates it.

00:23:15 It is idolatry.

00:23:17 No, we should not allow public expressions of idolatry, right?

00:23:21 You're not going into people's private homes and rounding up Muslims who are praying in

00:23:25 their basement.

00:23:26 That's not what I'm talking about.

00:23:28 But exalting statues in America to false gods. 0.98

00:23:33 No, the statue should be torn down, ground into pieces, and flushed down the toilet.

00:23:39 But maybe not, because there's already enough birth control that's been flushed down the 0.99

00:23:42 toilet, and it's turning the frogs gay and a decent amount of the men. 0.98

00:23:46 Okay, so maybe not the toilet part. 0.99

00:23:47 But yeah, those statues should be ground to dust. 1.00

00:23:50 Well, what about a mosque?

00:23:52 What about a synagogue?

00:23:53 No.

00:23:54 No public expressions of worship to idols, to false gods.

00:24:00 And so if we did this, here was my whole point.

00:24:02 My point was, you're not rounding people up. You're not putting them on trains. You're not

00:24:08 putting them in camps. No, you're simply enacting Christian policies. But once again, just like my

00:24:16 criteria for voting, it would disproportionately affect black people more than white people. That's 0.67

00:24:21 true. Well, likewise, these policies would disproportionately cause Jews to want to

00:24:27 self-deport more than other people groups. Okay. But it's based on merit. It's based on scripture.

00:24:36 It's based on what's inherently moral, right? I don't know what to tell you about this.

00:24:42 So no, I'm not going to apologize. I'm going to just keep saying it, and I'll probably add a few

00:24:47 more sins to the list as we continue. But people were picking this up. James Lindsay, never again.

00:24:53 never again i can't believe it i can't believe it this is weinmar germany yeah well you know what

00:24:59 the nazis drank water and i drink water too you know there were some good policies do i agree

00:25:06 with everything no but but no i'm not going to throw the baby out with the bath water there were

00:25:13 some policies where if a woman had had with each child she had 25 of her property taxes were cut 1.00

00:25:20 off. If she had four children, no property taxes for life. If a woman had, I believe it was either 1.00

00:25:25 six or eight children, they'd throw a public parade in her honor and crown her with a wreath 1.00

00:25:32 around her neck. Yeah, those are inherently good things. To give a benefit, a tangible benefit

00:25:39 to motherhood and to families who are raising children, to honor mothers publicly. Yeah,

00:25:46 that's a good thing. Okay, so if there is something that happened in Weimar Germany

00:25:50 that is inherently good, to say never again, right, because of Weimar Germany, because they

00:25:57 burned pornography books, then we can't ban pornography? No, let God be true and every man

00:26:04 a liar. If they did that, and they did, and it was right, then we should do it too. And whatever

00:26:10 they did, here's a crazy position, guys. My position, Joel Webin, I'm going to say it publicly,

00:26:15 Oh my goodness. This is going to be crazy. It's going to be bold. Joel Webin publicly supports

00:26:20 anything that the Nazis did that was according to God's word. And Joel Webin disagrees and condemns

00:26:27 anything that the Nazis may or may not have done that disagrees and goes against God's word.

00:26:34 That's my position. I actually hold that position also for Stalin and for Mao and for anybody else,

00:26:42 anyone on the planet. I agree with everyone on the planet throughout all of human history

00:26:46 insofar as their words or actions in that moment lined up with the Word of God. And I disagree

00:26:53 with anyone throughout human history on the planet who said something or did something that

00:26:58 contradicts the Word of God. Never again grow up, James Lindsay. No, we will do again and again and

00:27:09 again, whatever God's Word requires us to do. And if it disproportionately affects one group of people

00:27:15 more than another group of people, so be it. If this would, and I believe it would, I do believe 0.99

00:27:21 it would cause Jews to self-deport from America at a higher rate than other people, because Jews 0.98

00:27:28 are disproportionately involved in pornography. They are disproportionately involved in usury. 1.00

00:27:34 But that's not my fault. Those things are wrong. And it leaves open the option. Here's another

00:27:41 option. Jews could stop. They could stop doing those things. Here's an even better option. 1.00

00:27:48 They could repent of their sins and believe upon the Lord Jesus Christ and stop blaspheming him.

00:27:55 There's an option. Or they could self-deport. There was nothing wrong with that position.

00:28:03 So, Wasson Watch, who is an absolute Zionist shill, and it's really sad to see him crash out 0.95

00:28:10 over the past couple of months now. He retweeted James Lindsay and these guys who are doing this 0.82

00:28:16 clip, and he says, being more moderate, moderately wrong, is still wrong. So, he even has to

00:28:21 acknowledge, yeah, Joel's position actually isn't that extreme. It is more moderate.

00:28:26 But he says, being more moderately wrong is still wrong. And when it comes to something as

00:28:31 insidious as this, my clip, that clip you just watched from me, then it's egregious. So he's

00:28:38 saying that clip, banning pornography, banning exorbitant forms of usury, not allowing dual 0.99

00:28:44 citizens to vote in our elections, and banning idolatry, public forms of idolatry. And this is 0.96

00:28:51 an abolitionist for the record, allegedly. This is a guy who has been an outspoken Christian

00:28:57 who has sought for social and political reform, ending abortion, and yet he, I say, yeah, we

00:29:06 should stop public expressions of idolatry. Whether it be a synagogue or a mosque, we should

00:29:12 stop it. And he's saying this is insidious and egregious. So I retweeted him and simply asked,

00:29:20 what part of this was insidious? Was it banning pornography? Was it banning exorbitant forms of

00:29:26 abusery, banning public displays of false worship and idolatry? Or was it allowing dual citizenship 0.77

00:29:33 individuals to live here peacefully but requiring single allegiance to America for voting and 0.53

00:29:40 holding public office? None of these positions are insidious. Many of these positions are

00:29:45 historic Christian policies. Friend, you are supposed to be a Christian. You can and should

00:29:51 love Jews, that is, desiring their repentance and salvation. But it's posts like this that

00:29:58 clearly convey your highest allegiance is to Jews, not Christ. And there you have it.

00:30:05 I believe that's all we've got on deck. Correct, Nathan? Oh, no, we have one more. One more. So

00:30:12 then people said, okay, well, yeah, I guess your policy is a banning usury and banning pornography

00:30:18 and these kinds of things on the merit of the actual policies, I guess that's not anti-Semitic.

00:30:23 I guess that's not actually hateful. I guess it's not insidious. But what is insidious is the fact

00:30:28 that you think that it would affect Jews more than other people. So then I tweeted this out.

00:30:32 Joel's proposal, quoting my opponents, Joel's proposal for banning pornography and usury

00:30:38 isn't a problem. It's the fact that he thinks Jews are disproportionately involved in these

00:30:43 practices. And then I said, man, you guys are going to be furious when you hear what this renowned

00:30:49 anti-Semite has to say. Who is the renowned anti-Semite? Well, it's the Jewish man named

00:30:56 Dennis Prager. Take a listen. Every ism except the Nazism was founded and or led disproportionately

00:31:05 by Jews. You name it. Marxism, humanism, socialism, environmentalism, feminism, Jews. It's Jews. 0.81

00:31:17 Yep, and I would add to that communism and also transgenderism. Dennis Prager agrees with me. 1.00

00:31:26 So yes, it would disproportionately affect Jews because Jews, not all, but disproportionately so

00:31:33 have been involved in multiple atrocities throughout history. Terrible ideology, 0.82

00:31:41 liberalism, transgenderism, socialism, communism, humanism, Marxism. Yeah, it's a problem. So the

00:31:52 policy should be cut it out, and if not, leave. Not crazy, not insidious, not egregious, Christian,

00:32:03 Christ is king. Christ is king. And I will not apologize. I will say it again and again and

00:32:12 again. And all the haters and all the opposition, you can cope and seethe. Tune in now.

00:32:19 sometimes you just got to get that quick 45 minute cold open just slip it in yeah i think

00:32:35 it was like 30 minutes uh thanks for hanging with us there was just there was a lot to cover yes

00:32:40 part of it was covering my positions but part of it was the sequence of events that have unfolded

00:32:44 in the providence of god over the last 24 to 48 hours with this person tweeting and this video

00:32:49 going viral and then this other one going viral and james lindsey enters the fray and unsupervised

00:32:53 women tweeting uh wasson watch um uh when is he gonna move to israel you know what i mean i just

00:33:00 feel like just be honest just just move to israel there's probably gonna be some land in gaza pretty

00:33:05 soon wide open you know what there will be new building yeah yeah new construction i hear now i

00:33:10 hear that the uh it won't be that fertile though because i hear that the soil is just uh made of

00:33:15 glass yeah yeah so i glass rubble yeah they'll have great yeah i know the interest rates would

00:33:21 be terrible um anyways so yeah there was just a lot going on and the reason why i wanted to cover

00:33:25 all this and i'm going to turn it to wes and antonio to see what they think but um i wanted

00:33:30 to cover all of it because here's the deal um there's been multiple times where you know somebody

00:33:35 clips me out takes me out of context i go viral and believe it or not i know that you know the

00:33:41 haters will, uh, obviously think that, uh, this is untrue, but it is true. Um, a lot of times we

00:33:46 don't respond. We just move on with the next episode. This thing happens, you know, this

00:33:50 controversy, this, you know, scandal, this, whatever. And we just move on and we just move

00:33:55 on and we just move on. Uh, but this is what I'm realizing is, um, as, as I'm even getting counsel

00:34:01 from friends and family and people who are close, uh, solid believers that I trust that Joel, you

00:34:06 need to lean in um you need to lean in uh you're right we know you're right you know you're right

00:34:12 most importantly your conscience is clear before the lord and uh you need to lean in every single

00:34:17 one of these other people you know who you know doing doing a podcast or something like that

00:34:21 they like if somebody says something about them that's the next episode for like the you know the

00:34:26 next four weeks you know straight whether it be candace owens or whether it be uh whether it be

00:34:33 um what what's his name um uh jason whitlock you know dennis prager yeah or or whether it be even

00:34:40 doug wilson you know so like doug wilson will and doug wilson it's not just oh well that's cnn

00:34:45 that's a really big deal doug wilson will have like um somebody from the white horse inn or

00:34:50 somebody at um at a westminster escondido like at like a like a adjunct you know um professor who

00:35:00 35 hours a week is serving as a custodian and then teaches one class will write a blog read by

00:35:09 three people and say something. And Doug Wilson will respond. He'll do a whole episode. But here's

00:35:14 my response. And I'm not saying it's a bad thing, but I'm just saying like Doug Wilson for years

00:35:18 has had, here's my controversy page, right? Because people will just regurgitate the same

00:35:23 controversies. Well, did you hear that blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

00:35:27 so he has literally like an archive um and and it's pretty much i think it's gotten to that point

00:35:32 and probably got to that point like like two or three years ago for me you know but at this point

00:35:37 it's like okay it's the the people who have been following and who appreciate this ministry they

00:35:43 they know right they're fine and the people who hate me are going to keep hating me no matter what

00:35:47 i say but the reality that i'm coming to is like some of these clips that went viral the last

00:35:52 couple of days have like close to half a million views. And what I'm realizing is it's not just

00:35:57 haters and fans or haters and friends. There is a half a million other people outside of those

00:36:05 two categories that are third parties standing on the sidelines and neutral. They're not really

00:36:12 predisposed either way. And if I just responded or clarified or whatever, there's a lot of people

00:36:21 who might be won over so that's what everybody does everybody who you know is a public figure

00:36:26 of any degree whatsoever they respond and so i'm i'm going to start leaning in on some things and

00:36:32 i'm going to hope that god blesses it for those of you guys who've been following along the whole

00:36:36 time i understand you'll be like ah we already knew this yeah but a lot of people don't i mean

00:36:42 candace owens how many episodes has she done about uh what's his name bridget oh you see what i did

00:36:48 what's his name um i don't know i don't know if the dude's a dude or if the dude's a girl

00:36:54 i don't really care that much uh but the point is candace owens said something boom they fired back

00:37:01 and that's been like half of her show candace owens is like if if you look at her her show

00:37:06 over the last three months it's 80 uh arguing back and forth with the you know the latest tweet from

00:37:12 uh the the french embassy you know whatever like it's responding to that or uh the latest uh

00:37:19 development in her her drama with nick fuentes and then about 10 it's like 40 there's 50 that

00:37:25 and then 10 might might be a new story it might actually oh we're actually going to do a real

00:37:32 episode today about something that's going on um and that's just that's what she does and it's not

00:37:37 just candace owens it is a lot of people in media steven crowder this person that person like

00:37:42 it's pretty common matt walsh i like matt walsh i'm not i'm not hating on him but matt walsh

00:37:47 be like here's the news here's the news but then he'll have half of his episode on a regular basis

00:37:51 or a third of his episode a major segment being i'm responding to so and so who levied this

00:37:57 accusation against me or you know blah blah blah so i'm going to start leaning in here's the deal

00:38:01 though i need one one big favor for you first and foremost um please pray we need you we covet your

00:38:09 prayers. Please pray for us that God would keep us, he would sustain us, he would protect us,

00:38:14 and that he would continue to provide me with courage. Secondly, I don't want, if I can help

00:38:20 it, and I can't, not right now, but I would like to get to the place, me and Wes were talking about

00:38:25 it, me and Antonio, our goal is to get to the place where we don't have to do any advertisements.

00:38:30 We would like to be fully listener supported. And I get people who email me all the time,

00:38:36 messaging me, DMing me, texting me, calling me, saying, I'm with you, brother. Keep up the fight.

00:38:45 Stay bold. You're one of the only Protestants who is not a Zionist sellout. You're one of the only 0.98

00:38:53 guys who knows what time it is and who has courage. There's some Catholics doing it, 1.00

00:38:59 some Eastern Orthodox, but like Protestants, I'm a Protestant and you're the only guy I see

00:39:04 in the public sphere saying some of these things. So keep going, keep going, keep going. And this

00:39:09 is my humble request. I'm not trying to guilt anybody. I'm not. It is simply a request. We need

00:39:17 your support. We need your prayers, first and foremost, but we also need your generosity.

00:39:23 We need your financial support. I promise you, by God's grace, I will not quit. And I've heard

00:39:32 people say, you know, the only way they can take you out is if you quit. That's technically not

00:39:36 true. There are two ways I can be taken out. One is I finally just get sick of it and my family

00:39:43 can't bear the pressure anymore. Too many death threats, too much drama, too much pressure.

00:39:49 So one way is quitting. The second way though is I can't pay my team.

00:39:54 i these guys have they have to feed their family i people think i'm a mastermind you know with

00:40:02 social media behind the scenes you know coordinating with this and that i i i don't even

00:40:07 know i i don't even know how to run my own twitter account i'm barely functioning at that level if i

00:40:14 don't have nathan over there in the corner doing all the the cameras and the tech and this and that

00:40:20 like, then we're done. We're done. Part of the reason why we go viral, part of the reason why

00:40:25 everybody copes and sees and they're upset is because they view us as a threat. There are other

00:40:29 people who say the kinds of things that we say that they don't feel threatened by nearly as much

00:40:33 as us. And part of the reason is because we strive for excellence in our production. Part of the

00:40:39 reason there's a sense of us being a threat is because there's a certain validity, a certain

00:40:46 integrity that comes with high production value. The fact that I'm not simply sitting in a blank

00:40:57 room with a webcam. We've gone above and beyond to maintain excellence in production, but that

00:41:05 costs money. To be able to do what we do, we have a full team of five people that are dependent.

00:41:12 And so I promise you, by the grace of God, as God is my witness, I will not quit. I will not

00:41:20 give up the fight if you help to keep me in the fight. If enough people, and it doesn't even take

00:41:27 that many, but if enough people say, you know what, that's it. I've been encouraged by Joel

00:41:32 for long enough, and I'm going to put my money where my mouth is, and I'm going to monthly

00:41:36 support him. I'm going to monthly support Right Response Ministries. If enough people do that

00:41:42 and say, I'm going to give $20 a month, I'm going to give $50 a month, I'm going to give $100 a

00:41:47 month, and just enough people get together and do that, then what that accomplishes, it's very

00:41:56 simple. We become bulletproof. We become bulletproof. We become invincible. We cannot

00:42:03 be taken out. And here's the thing. There are hundreds, if not thousands of people who are

00:42:08 trying to take us out. You see it. You see it online. You see this story, this story, this story,

00:42:14 this story, this post, this post, this post. It is an immense amount of pressure that we have been

00:42:18 under, that I have been under, an immense amount of pressure. The amount of death threats,

00:42:24 and they don't just put pressure on me

00:42:27 because they know I won't fold

00:42:28 so what they do is they put pressure on people who are close to me

00:42:31 so like well you know

00:42:33 we can't stop him so we'll go after

00:42:35 members in his church

00:42:36 because then they'll leave his church

00:42:39 they'll get to the point where you know it's too hot

00:42:41 in the kitchen they just enough is enough

00:42:43 and they leave the church and they stop tithing

00:42:45 and that'll shut him down

00:42:46 he'll be financially destitute

00:42:48 they're trying to crush us financially

00:42:50 that's what they're trying to do

00:42:52 they're trying to crush us financially

00:42:54 because at the end of the day,

00:42:56 this is in the mind of our opponents.

00:42:58 This is what they're thinking.

00:42:58 We cannot have a Protestant pastor

00:43:01 because he's not just a Christian.

00:43:04 He's a pastor.

00:43:04 He's a minister.

00:43:06 And he's Protestant.

00:43:07 And he has high level production.

00:43:10 And he's speaking about these things.

00:43:13 Shut it down.

00:43:15 We've got to shut them down.

00:43:16 And what I'm telling you is that

00:43:17 if you really believe in what we're doing,

00:43:20 I appreciate all the encouragement.

00:43:22 I appreciate you writing in.

00:43:23 It means the world. But if you can, if you can't, you can't. I'm not going to give you grief. But if

00:43:30 you can financially afford it, if enough of you would get together and say, our job is we're

00:43:39 going to make sure that Joel is bulletproof. We're going to be right response top guys. And we're

00:43:46 going to keep them in the fight so that his enemies, despite all their attempts, cannot take

00:43:51 come out, then we become invincible. And it's not just that we get to continue what we're doing now.

00:43:57 We have massive plans. Big, big things are in the works. We are having conversations behind the

00:44:04 scenes. The whiteboards are out, right? The numbers are being crunched. The strategy is

00:44:10 happening. Massive plans. And you will see them unfold in short order. But people, I think our

00:44:19 opponents know that and they are trying to ultimately they're trying to extinguish the

00:44:24 flame before we can get there um and right now it feels like there is a window i don't want to give

00:44:31 my opponents too much credit but it feels like there is a window of opportunity where they could

00:44:36 crush me and uh and you guys if you're able to and willing you could help sustain me you could

00:44:45 that's your choice it's between you and the lord but that's my humble request would you be a right

00:44:52 response ministries top guy would you keep us in the fray would you be a shield for us would you

00:44:59 make us bulletproof to where our enemies cannot stop us so that i can remain as one of the very

00:45:04 few protestant pastoral voices addressing these issues in a time in our nation in our culture

00:45:12 where it is desperately needed and from the bottom of my heart i thank you for considering

00:45:18 that prayerfully all right guys what do you think about the recent drama all the controversy any

00:45:25 thoughts you just come out no thoughts whatsoever i want to start with voting it is a lot of this

00:45:32 is wrapped up in the post-war consensus we've talked about a lot but man there's something

00:45:36 about voting and saying eh maybe these people shouldn't vote or eh we don't think this is the

00:45:40 best use that man it gets people riled up like compare rome and greece for instance strict

00:45:45 requirements on voting like one of the biggest things about joel i think i could say about

00:45:49 everything you said it's reasonable i'm sure of everyone listening we've got almost 800 people

00:45:55 on the line i'm sure you ask all those 800 people and you'll get 800 different opinions

00:45:59 on exactly what flavor they would have maybe some of them would prefer a monarchy some would have

00:46:04 a bigger democracy a smaller democracy but i think what you can say about your position is that

00:46:08 this is reasonable and is not historically unprecedented. For hundreds of years in the

00:46:14 West, hey, if you're going to participate in politics and civic life, the bar is this high

00:46:19 to ride. That is just not unprecedented. You are not the first person to come along and say,

00:46:23 hey, the health and wealth of our republic as it is now depends on smart, competent men that have

00:46:30 the time for politics participating in it. That is not the craziest idea whatsoever. It only

00:46:35 becomes a crazy idea when people's greatest commitment is to principles of liberalism

00:46:39 and of democracy and of universal participation that's when you start getting clutching the

00:46:45 pearls right and again you may disagree but what you have to say about his position is like

00:46:49 that's reasonable there's historical precedent to it and there's nothing in the bible that requires

00:46:54 x y and z people to get to vote there just isn't the bible at a general level is silent on who

00:47:00 participates and who doesn't so i that's one of the first thoughts i had it's a good thought yeah

00:47:05 in the middle. And I think, I very strongly believe that all men have an obligation,

00:47:20 not just the right, but the obligation to defend their character on biblical grounds.

00:47:25 So that's the first point. But then you also further have an obligation to,

00:47:29 to the extent that you can to clarify. And as particular, I'm thinking for, you know,

00:47:35 all of the people who are like, oh, what's going on exactly? I'm trying to make sense of these

00:47:38 things. You should clarify and you know, what your position is and the way that it is reasoned

00:47:44 as Wes indicated for their sake. And I think these things are helpful. So I think it's right

00:47:49 that we're doing that on the point of voting specifically. I agree. There's as I was, I look

00:47:55 into american history particularly because you don't have to go back to the ancients to understand

00:48:00 that universal suffrage is a really modern idea even in the you know the colonial period in

00:48:05 america um you see um this idea of voting being a moral trust and it's tied to virtue it's no

00:48:13 different than uh the any company that you know someone watching would work at do they vote do

00:48:18 they control the day-to-day operations no someone who was qualified who's been at the company

00:48:24 presumably for many, many more years than them, who owns the company outright, so has some skin

00:48:29 in the game, some financial stake. They're the people making the decisions. So this idea that

00:48:33 voting is a natural right is very, very new. And you can see this happen somewhere from my

00:48:39 assessment, somewhere in the mid-19th century here in America. And I agree, Wes, you're totally

00:48:44 right. This has become sort of the bedrock of liberalism, is that all people are equal in

00:48:50 every way. But here's the reality. This is what the Bible says. This is biblical anthropology.

00:48:54 Equal in value does not mean equal in authority, right? That's right. That's husband and wife,

00:49:01 right? Co-heir in grace, right? The same text that says, you know, live with your wives in

00:49:07 an understanding manner, recognizing that she too is a co-heir in grace, meaning that

00:49:12 in the ultimate eternal sense, there's an equal weight, equal dignity, equal value.

00:49:17 but right before it says husbands live with your wives in an understanding manner knowing that she

00:49:24 is the weaker vessel so on the one hand in a temporal sense she's weaker objectively and

00:49:31 that's not just speaking to the physical but then on the other hand she is an equal so like

00:49:37 a lot of you know conservative protestants you know allegedly conservative whatever that means

00:49:43 biblically conservative protestants would say oh you know we're not egalitarian like we understand

00:49:48 that the husband is the authority and and so then you can just you know snap back and say

00:49:53 yeah so the the wife is um her her eternal spiritual value is inferior to his correct

00:50:00 they'd be like no no no it's like uh-huh yeah all right now let's piece it together let's just go a

00:50:06 little bit further right like like apply that nationally now right so so the idea that well

00:50:12 this person has a say, and this person doesn't, does not mean that those people aren't still both

00:50:18 image bearers of the living God. But that's not where voting comes from. I kept seeing that over

00:50:23 the last couple of days, people saying, well, women bear the image of God just like men. Yeah.

00:50:29 So does a five-year-old, but five-year-olds don't get to vote.

00:50:33 So are we going to say, well, children don't get to vote because they don't have God's image.

00:50:36 like make me that argument you can't children have the image of god just like adults and yet

00:50:45 we're perfectly fine recognizing yeah but they don't get a say in the country they shouldn't

00:50:50 it's not crazy yeah i mean people are submitting to authority all the time on the basis of

00:50:55 qualification if i go out i get pulled over i'm gonna pull i see a cop i'm gonna say i'm gonna

00:51:00 pull over this guy has authority over me in this context why because he's qualified he's trained

00:51:05 than the law he has been appointed uh duly appointed to to have this authority so on and

00:51:11 so forth so i mean you know the same people are saying this about voting are going to disneyland

00:51:15 and they're getting stopped by you know park officials and hey go this way and they're like

00:51:19 okay i'll go that way so like we this concept of authority is is so so deeply rooted in people's

00:51:26 conscious you know it's it truly it's it's uh it's kind of mind-boggling that rationally you

00:51:33 can't apply that most people can't apply that to governing a nation of all things and think of

00:51:38 inventing it almost as a sin like this person is in sin because they would say this about people

00:51:44 voting or not i don't see that anywhere in the bible you're literally going in you said well

00:51:48 there's god's law and you know he did a good job they left out one critical piece universal suffrage

00:51:53 and people who violate this unspoken like literally it's accusing them of sin that's legalism i'm

00:51:58 gonna got we've got god's standard but did he forget to account for 21st century liberal politics

00:52:03 and they will literally add that and they will call for people who publicly say eh we should

00:52:08 restrict it we should do it democracy entirely they'll call their pastor they'll call them out

00:52:12 and say you should be kicked out of the church you should be put under church discipline to you

00:52:16 joel you're not qualified to be a pastor literally over opinions on voting that's right it's

00:52:22 incredible it's mind-blowing no you're absolutely right it really is crazy um and that's why like

00:52:28 i i try to be careful with you know there are people who go further than i do um there are

00:52:33 people to my right i'm not believe it or not i am not even close not only am i not the furthest

00:52:38 right person that you will encounter i'm not even close i i'm telling you a day is quickly

00:52:44 approaching where people are gonna be like my goodness give us joel levin back that guy was a

00:52:49 moderate um there are people way way to my right but even with those individuals um i always try

00:52:56 to be very intentional and not anathematizing someone over extra biblical criteria. So if

00:53:03 somebody says, well, I think that America should only be white. Well, I don't. I think it should 0.56

00:53:11 be majority white because that is the founding stock of the country. And the only way I see that 1.00

00:53:16 ultimately being uprooted, especially as quickly as it has been as of late, is through artificial

00:53:21 manipulative means that I think are truly just hatred towards white people. So I think that's

00:53:26 wicked trying to um intentionally when leaders and elites are intentionally trying to eradicate

00:53:31 uh the founding stock of a nation i actually think that's immoral when you um but but in terms of just 0.89

00:53:37 like in principle no matter what you know it could be a thousand years from now no matter what

00:53:41 happens america needs to be exclusively white um that's not my position i i disagree with that

00:53:46 um but if somebody says that that is their position i have to have a biblical reason

00:53:51 if i'm going to say um if i'm going to elevate that to the level of condemnation if i'm going

00:53:58 to elevate that and say well you're anathematized or you're not a christian um because that's but

00:54:04 but that's the rhetoric you hear from people all the time they they would hear that and 90 percent

00:54:08 of people would say that's heresy what heresy what do you mean like heresy is a is an actual

00:54:14 category heresy means something right heresy is not um just a blank you know slate for your

00:54:22 creative license and freedom heresy isn't what you what you make it heresy is determined by the

00:54:28 bible's orthodoxy over primary theological issues and then of course they would in typical midwit

00:54:34 fashion they would well what about galatians you know like um he he tore down the dividing wall

00:54:39 of hostility between Jew and Gentile. Yes, Jews and Gentiles, through faith in Jesus, can both be

00:54:46 brothers, spiritual brothers in faith. But Galatians does not say, or there's neither Jew nor Greek.

00:54:54 Great. Nowhere in Galatians is it saying, and every country in the world must be diverse ethnically. 0.99

00:55:02 That's not what Galatians is talking about. It's talking about the global, the universal body of

00:55:08 Christ, that the universal body of Christ will have different peoples from every tribe, nation,

00:55:13 and language, and that all of them have access to salvation, to eternal life by grace alone,

00:55:20 through faith alone, in Jesus Christ alone. Gentiles can be saved. Jews can be saved.

00:55:26 Blacks can be saved. Whites can be saved. But there is no verse in the Bible that says, 1.00

00:55:30 and every nation under heaven has to have every single people group on earth represented in that

00:55:38 one nation. There's nothing that says that. So you can disagree with something and have

00:55:43 principled arguments of philosophical, political arguments, historic arguments,

00:55:49 but to elevate that to a theological category, and especially the degree of heresy,

00:55:56 is absolutely insane, but people can't, they can't think. They cannot think. You have to come to

00:56:04 terms with the fact that you are a liberal. You are. You are a liberal. It's 2025. This is the

00:56:11 West. You're a liberal. You have been propagandized. You have been indoctrinated. You are a liberal,

00:56:18 and your liberalism, if you're a Christian, you have to subject your liberalism to your 1.00

00:56:23 Christianity. If not, it is idolatry. It's idolatry. And the reality is I have found time 0.73

00:56:30 and time and time again in my interaction, not with pagans, but with Christians, I have found

00:56:35 that their strongest allegiance is to liberalism, not Christianity. They will have far more

00:56:43 compassion about differing biblical views, whether it be pedo-baptism versus credo-baptism,

00:56:50 or being a continuationist versus being a cessationist

00:56:52 or this or that or the other,

00:56:54 what they will not tolerate

00:56:55 when they start to levy the charge of heresy,

00:56:58 it actually is nothing to do with Scripture.

00:57:01 And it's everything to do with something

00:57:04 that falls within the category of 20th century liberalism, 0.89

00:57:08 repealing the 19th Amendment, heretic. 0.76

00:57:10 That is insane. 0.99

00:57:12 That's insane.

00:57:13 All right, let's go.

00:57:14 Let's do our first commercial break and we'll be right back.

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01:01:06 the post-war consensus i feel like it's been a little bit while since we've talked about it

01:01:11 i don't know antonio i would love to give it to you 30 seconds like the post-world war ii consensus

01:01:15 what is that if someone's just coming into it first time they're hearing us what are we talking

01:01:19 about when we say post-war consensus yeah so so when i think of post-war consensus i i think of

01:01:25 the set of assumptions that emerged in the mid to late 1940s, not only here in the U.S., but I would

01:01:32 say all across the West, set of assumptions were around foreign policy. And with respect to foreign

01:01:39 policy, it was motivated by this idea that World War II was incredibly catastrophic. And so we need

01:01:44 to be moderate on all grounds, essentially to avoid any particular sparks of violence or

01:01:52 chaos so on and so forth so i think that's one of the major assumptions but i think

01:01:56 the other major assumption uh that concerns us is a consumption or assumption rather around

01:02:04 political moderation and the fundamental beliefs uh that uh people just didn't want to talk about

01:02:10 anymore so in other words to avoid chaos to avoid strong disagreement people said let's just agree

01:02:16 on these fundamentals and then we'll all we all of our arguments all of our political debates will

01:02:21 just simply be about scale. So, hey, let's all agree that we should all pay exorbitantly high

01:02:27 taxes. Now, you'll say that it's 80 and I'll say that it's 60, but we agree that we should all pay

01:02:32 high taxes. And so some of those assumptions obviously were around egalitarianism. They were

01:02:38 around the idea that we're not going to fight over who's in some kind of hierarchy. We're not

01:02:45 going to fight over who's more important, who's less important, what religion is more right,

01:02:48 which is less right. We're just going to simply assume that they're all right. And we'll proceed 0.96

01:02:54 from there and we'll try to live together. And so that's what the post-war consensus has become.

01:03:00 It's sort of unraveled through time and it's ultimately got us here today. I will say one

01:03:06 quick thing, just to caveat the post-war consensus from my perspective, is that I don't want to bind

01:03:12 anyone's conscience on a particular reading of history with respect to the post-war consensus.

01:03:17 So some people would say, oh, the post-war consensus means that you're a World War II revisionist, right?

01:03:22 Or you think you have some particular reading of World War II, and that's what post-war consensus is.

01:03:27 But I actually think that a post-war consensus is what it is irrespective of the cause.

01:03:32 So some people would say the Allies won, and that's what led to the post-war consensus.

01:03:36 And some would have other reasons, obviously.

01:03:38 So I think that's what it is, regardless of what caused it.

01:03:43 And we're extrapolating a bit.

01:03:44 The original book that kind of this came out of was called The Return of the Strong Gods.

01:03:48 And he deals with the author, R.R. Reno, in a very academic and also in an economic sense,

01:03:53 open society, and then in academia, less of this assertiveness about truth.

01:03:57 So there are applications that are very high-headed, they're very academic. 0.85

01:04:01 But then there's also just kind of the practical, like, everything I don't like is Hitler. 0.67

01:04:05 And where we're going to pay attention to this, and you can see it in James Lindsay, 0.67

01:04:08 you can see it in those attacking you, Joel, is it comes into the church.

01:04:11 so then the church that is supposed to be a spiritual institution she preaches the word

01:04:15 she administers sacraments she cares for the souls of its people the postwar consensus comes

01:04:20 to the church she being the church she being the church not pastor Sally not the female pastor

01:04:24 no that's the church's role but then the postwar consensus comes in and as you were just talking

01:04:29 about we're talking about before the break and about to illustrate that comes in and these

01:04:33 literally become articles of faith so now you have to hold to as you said Antonio views of hey

01:04:39 democracy is a good thing hey people caring for itself is a bad thing we can't do this

01:04:43 because 80 years ago a guy named hitler loved his people this is what happened let me illustrate

01:04:49 literally this in progress this is happening in progress wasn't this kind of in response to me

01:04:55 i think it was i don't know if it was directly it was one of the clips i think the one that

01:05:01 like james lindsey yep retweeted where i was saying this this is what i think should be done

01:05:06 and how I think it would affect Jews.

01:05:09 The clip that we showed in the cold open where I said,

01:05:12 yeah, you ban pornography, you ban usury, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

01:05:15 I think it's in response to that.

01:05:16 So this is an individual, the Jolly Brawler, as you'll know him,

01:05:21 some of you are probably familiar with him on X.

01:05:22 By all accounts of people that have known him,

01:05:24 hardworking man, faithful husband, father,

01:05:27 came to Christ about 10 years ago, attends a Reformed church,

01:05:30 is in good standing.

01:05:31 He is a man of good character, of Christian character,

01:05:33 that by all accounts, we don't know him personally.

01:05:36 believes in the Lord Jesus Christ

01:05:38 confesses the historic Christian faith

01:05:40 and he said this, this is very not

01:05:42 post-port consensus friendly

01:05:43 he said he's okay with calling it deportation

01:05:46 so this is relating to you Joel

01:05:48 so hey, we're going to deport 0.68

01:05:49 banning Judaism and deporting its adherents who refuse 0.95

01:05:52 to stop blaspheming Christ is only one part of it 1.00

01:05:54 but I think it would be a good first step

01:05:56 and then he says this, he says after this 0.97

01:05:58 I will go after secular Jews 0.99

01:05:59 if they do not deport or cease from practicing 1.00

01:06:02 so they won't get the heck out of Dodge

01:06:05 the next step would be for the government to use some sort of force,

01:06:07 just like with any other lawbreaking.

01:06:09 This would be the U.S. as we deport people even now,

01:06:11 back to Mexico, back to El Salvador.

01:06:14 And so that's his view, and that's what he came out and said.

01:06:17 And for one, people put public pressure on his pastor.

01:06:21 So you can see publicly people saying,

01:06:23 I'm going to call his church.

01:06:24 I'm going to call his pastor.

01:06:26 I'm going to call his session.

01:06:27 I'm going to do my best to make sure this man

01:06:29 is literally kicked out of his church.

01:06:32 Now, forgive me if I'm reading that.

01:06:34 And I don't think all of us would necessarily agree with every part of it.

01:06:37 But I don't know that I saw anything in there that violated Christian ethical norms.

01:06:41 That a nation could say, well, we think these people have been, they've not had a good influence.

01:06:46 And we're going to ask them to leave.

01:06:48 If they don't leave, we're going to ask a little bit more forcefully.

01:06:52 There's nothing in that that I see as inherently.

01:06:55 It could be gone about immorally, sure.

01:06:57 But nothing inherently in it that strictly, I don't think, violates anything biblical.

01:07:03 Right.

01:07:04 People are calling his pastor, calling his session, trying to get him removed from it.

01:07:08 And I want you to listen to this post-war consensus.

01:07:10 This is the framing, right?

01:07:12 So this is from the reform community on Reddit.

01:07:14 So Reddit, obviously, already kind of a far left place.

01:07:17 It's a far left place, so it makes perfect sense that there would be a reform community.

01:07:22 I was about to say, but this is the ostensible reform community.

01:07:25 And listen to this description.

01:07:26 This is from a user called GoSunday, and they're talking about this incident.

01:07:29 This is from today, this incident.

01:07:31 It's no longer about dealing with that man, referring to Jolly Brawler. 0.80

01:07:34 Once you let a Nazi into your church, you attend a Nazi church. 0.84

01:07:38 It sounds like if one of them's in, your church is 2,000 people, it's a Nazi church. 0.83

01:07:42 And you are in fact no longer a church of God, but a church of Satan.

01:07:45 When you uncover a pedophile in your church nursery, the first thing you do is to encourage him to repent. 0.99

01:07:50 I would hope the same goes for your spiritual children of Christ, because Nazis in your church is an abomination. 0.91

01:07:55 There is no both sidings of this. I am not overreacting. 0.67

01:07:58 They already made their choice, most likely to eternal consequences.

01:08:02 We know what they have done the last time.

01:08:03 We know what they intend to do this time.

01:08:05 It is well-documented in history books, in the newspaper today,

01:08:08 right now in America in 2025, and it's in the Bible.

01:08:13 That's what they leave off with.

01:08:14 All of this, it's in the Bible.

01:08:16 They're like, you don't even ask first for repentance, right?

01:08:18 If you had someone terrible that did something terrible with children,

01:08:21 he's in the nursery.

01:08:21 If you have a pedophile in the nursery, it's a crime.

01:08:24 and it is it is a physical immediate threat and danger to all those other children to place this

01:08:32 into the category of pedophilia and and a physical action a crime is absolutely insane you're talking

01:08:40 about somebody who holds a view not someone who is committing a crime a criminal action he holds

01:08:46 a view and his view has been held by many other christians throughout christian history throughout

01:08:53 church history and and there's nothing that he said in that view just for the record i i already

01:08:57 told you my view right so he's saying hey i you know i i appreciate joel but i think i'd go a

01:09:02 little further okay so he would go further than me um you know my view that's that was the whole

01:09:07 cold open of this episode right so i don't feel like i have to say it again um i've said my view

01:09:13 but but his view as far as i can interpret it from that tweet is saying um religious jews so

01:09:21 he starts with that, religiously practicing Jews who are the implication, they're publicly 0.81

01:09:27 worshiping a false god, idolatrous. They're committing public idolatry. They would be 0.99

01:09:33 asked to leave. So first step, ask to leave. Second step, if they refuse, then yes, there would be

01:09:39 some kind of legal penalty, some kind of legal penalty. And then he says, after that, I would

01:09:45 deal with secular Jews. Again, in a Christian nation, notice he does not say Jews that have 0.80

01:09:54 converted to Christianity. He's not talking about that, not at all. The obvious implication is if

01:10:01 any Jew converts to Christianity, then they're free to remain in a Christian nation. But he's 0.98

01:10:06 saying, no, religiously practicing Jews who worship another God and are doing so publicly, 0.98

01:10:12 They would be first asked to leave. 1.00

01:10:15 Second, there would be penalties

01:10:16 if they don't stop the idolatry or choose to leave. 0.99

01:10:20 And then he says, then I would move on to secular Jews. 0.99

01:10:23 And I'm assuming that when he says, 0.81

01:10:25 I would move on to secular Jews,

01:10:27 can you pull back up the tweet?

01:10:29 I'm assuming that he says, yes,

01:10:31 if they do not deport or cease from practicing,

01:10:34 the next step would be for the government

01:10:37 to use some sort of force,

01:10:38 just like with any other law-breaking.

01:10:41 notice he mentions law breaking so with secular jews i think this is in reference not just to

01:10:46 the fact that they're secular but they the implication is these are secular jews who are

01:10:50 committing some kind of law breaking right and in relation to the clip for me i what he's talking

01:10:56 about is secular jews who are practicing exorbitant forms of usury or secular jews who are involved

01:11:01 in pornography or secular jews who whatever are breaking the law so he's saying so first i'd start 0.88

01:11:06 with Judaism, those who are blaspheming. Secondly, I would go to those who are secular, so they're 0.99

01:11:13 not practicing Judaism, they're not publicly worshiping a false god, but they're still secular 1.00

01:11:18 Jews who are law-breaking. To me, that's the obvious implication. They're doing something 1.00

01:11:24 that is illegal in this hypothetical America that actually has just laws, that things that

01:11:33 should be crimes actually are considered crimes like exorbitant usury and um and promulgating

01:11:38 pornography so my my point is um yes he he goes further than i than i go and words it differently

01:11:47 than i would word it but where where is where's the heresy right where where is like if you're a

01:11:56 pastor and you've got this guy in your church and you're getting phone calls and emails and a

01:12:03 pressure campaign okay um maybe you sit down and talk to him and ask for more clarification what

01:12:10 do you believe where are you at you know those kinds of things if there's something that you

01:12:14 find to be concerning then you say your piece and you counsel him in a direction that you think is

01:12:20 advised a direction that you think is moral and virtuous um but that's that's not the response

01:12:26 that you're getting from reformed Christians on Reddit.

01:12:30 The response that you're getting is his mere presence

01:12:35 makes the entire church a Nazi church 0.86

01:12:38 and a church of Satan. 0.87

01:12:40 Yeah.

01:12:42 And we're going to put his name out there.

01:12:44 We're going to have people blast his businesses.

01:12:46 We're going to publish information from the church.

01:12:48 We're going to pressure his sin on in his session.

01:12:51 Insane.

01:12:52 And notice the charity that we would have to people

01:12:53 that wouldn't go as far as us.

01:12:55 So I'm sure we have friends, if I sat down and asked them, they'd be like, ah, I wouldn't go that far.

01:13:00 Okay.

01:13:01 I'm not going to call you a non-Christian over that.

01:13:02 We disagree. 0.97

01:13:04 We do disagree, but that's literally it.

01:13:06 The Christian faith affords a wide variety of political views.

01:13:12 So we have the charity on the other way.

01:13:13 Hey, you wouldn't go as far.

01:13:14 Hey, I get it.

01:13:15 I think there's some reasons the Bible actually esteems those who hate public idolatry, public blasphemy.

01:13:20 So I'd encourage you to think strongly about, hey, the implications and, hey, the virtue in saying the public square is Christ's.

01:13:28 We're not trying to kick them out of the church, like at all.

01:13:31 But on the other direction, anyone farther than me, anathematize.

01:13:37 What do you think, Antonio?

01:13:38 Yeah, no, I mean, to Wes's point, that's going to have to be true about the church, right?

01:13:43 You're going to, especially as we emerge from the post-war consensus sort of mentality,

01:13:47 You're going to be having to deal with people who have more liberal views on topics like, you know, who should be able to vote, for example, or, you know, feminism, so on and so forth.

01:14:00 Like you're going to have to accommodate these people in the church and counsel them and use scripture to do so.

01:14:06 And so, yeah, I mean, I would say this, it's a little discouraging, honestly, that a post like that from, you know, someone who, I mean, I don't know the person.

01:14:16 but presumably we agree tactically on all sorts of things right uh politically speaking right uh

01:14:22 you diagnose you know issues on the border issues on uh whatever whatever you pick your issue um

01:14:29 and for them certainly soteriology anthropology yeah absolutely all of these things biblically

01:14:34 yeah for sure and so yeah it's just it's just discouraging that it's this this sort of like

01:14:39 infighting and uh stonewalling really is uh i mean what do you do with that i think for it to die

01:14:47 you just have to become immune to it there's james lindsey he can say a hundred times a day

01:14:51 never again is now never again is now this is just like whatever historical event you'd literally

01:14:57 just have to don't take their framing stand up and keep doing what you're doing stay true to

01:15:03 scripture but the way it dies is by people realizing this literally holds no power anymore

01:15:08 i threatened to call you this i called you that name i called this yeah and nobody cared do you

01:15:14 feel in charge yeah you feel in charge right now um do you feel in charge but i will say

01:15:19 the post-war consensus will have to end it has to it just yeah but what you're saying the west

01:15:25 post-war consensus pick one right yeah you can't do both um but what you're saying in terms of you

01:15:29 just have to ignore them is absolutely true however practically what that means um is you

01:15:36 know because in order to be able to ignore them um you have to be insulated it's not enough for

01:15:43 one man to ignore them you have to have a community that also agrees and that doesn't

01:15:49 mean agrees with your position but agrees in terms of the strategy the tactic of we do not

01:15:54 excommunicate over uh world war ii revisionist views yeah we don't do that i'm sorry if somebody

01:16:02 thinks it's six million there are people in my church who believe six million jews died and were

01:16:08 cremated in ovens and they are members in good standard and there are some it's it's more of a

01:16:15 minority report it's actually less people uh but there are some who say ah that six million seems

01:16:21 a little high right so there are some who say ah maybe you know one to two million and there may be

01:16:27 a handful three or four individuals who are like i think more like you know 278 000

01:16:33 and we take the lord's supper together like how in the world how in the world is that a mark

01:16:43 of um of eternal salvation it's it's just not it's it's not not like if i had somebody in the

01:16:52 church who is saying, I want to go shoot up a synagogue, then that person would be harshly

01:16:59 rebuked and need to repent. And if they don't repent, they'd be excommunicated because they're

01:17:04 talking about committing a crime, a sin and a crime and a serious sin of murder. We are not

01:17:13 vigilantes. We believe that God has ordained certain spheres of authority. So just like what

01:17:19 we're saying, right? We're being consistent on both sides of the equation. So no, voting is not

01:17:23 a natural right. And also, vengeance is not a natural right. The Bible speaks to that. That

01:17:31 is biblical. The Bible actually says, who can take vengeance, right? The one who bears the sword,

01:17:36 the state, the civil magistrate, is God's deacon, diaconate. He's God's servant who has been given

01:17:45 the sword. And beyond that, there are some Old Testament texts that talk about the avenger of

01:17:53 blood being the closest male member of kin to someone who was killed. And that if that person

01:18:02 has not yet fleed and sought refuge in a city of refuge, and there were six of them that were

01:18:10 designated strategically, geographically in Israel to where each one, no matter where you were, it

01:18:16 would be a day's travel. You could run in one day and make it to a city of refuge. So that if

01:18:21 someone committed not first degree murder, but manslaughter, the closest of kin to the victim

01:18:28 who died could actually take vengeance into his own hands if that person was wandering around

01:18:35 freely outside of the city of refuge. That's not in accordance with our laws today, so we would

01:18:41 not advise that. But my point is, even in Old Testament times for Old Covenant Israel, even

01:18:46 outside of the civil magistrate, it was still a very narrow and very specific individuals that

01:18:54 had that right, a right to vengeance. So my point, not everybody has a right to vote. Likewise, not

01:19:02 everybody has a right to take vengeance. But you have to talk about real sin. It has to be a real

01:19:07 sin. So if somebody is saying, I want to commit the sin of going and physically assaulting someone

01:19:15 or physically murdering someone or physically stealing from someone, then yes, that is a

01:19:22 disciplinary offense. And apart from repentance, that person would be banned from the table of

01:19:28 lord and excommunicated from the church and the keys of the kingdom would have to be uh used but

01:19:35 if somebody is saying you know what i think um weimar germany had a lot of good policies

01:19:40 and i don't think uh that um that the number six million is uh is accurate and i think that these

01:19:49 things some of these things were embellished and i think that uh today that multiculturalism

01:19:56 is um a plague on the west and and i think that we should be more selective uh with who comes to

01:20:04 our country and i think that uh we should have mass deportations for those who do not belong here 0.71

01:20:11 and i also think that um x y and z blah blah we're not we are not in sin categories anymore

01:20:19 you can disagree you say i think this other policy would be better i think that you know

01:20:24 this policy would be better. Fine. But to elevate that to heresy is insane. And part of what it does

01:20:35 is it retroactively anathematizes all of our Christian forefathers, like a wide swath

01:20:43 of our Christian forefathers. You're essentially saying that these men either were not Christian

01:20:49 or they were Christian but with, you know, massive, massive sin. 0.99

01:20:54 And I just don't think, I don't think that this generation of Christians, 0.92

01:21:01 including myself, is in the position to cast judgment on greater sires

01:21:08 when we are, objectively, their lesser sons.

01:21:13 Because that's what I heard growing up.

01:21:15 I'm sure you heard the same thing, was like, yeah, you know,

01:21:17 jonathan edwards was great but he had this really big blind spot you know when it came to slavery or

01:21:23 you know um jonathan edwards i'm content to just say uh you know what jonathan edwards was a better

01:21:29 man than me period and just stop that doesn't mean he was an infallible man but he's a better man

01:21:36 than me and uh the generation of christians that were 90 christian and that did not murder millions

01:21:45 of babies and that did not trans children and did not have drag queen story hour and did not

01:21:52 have exorbitant forms of usury and did not have pornography plastered everywhere um maybe maybe 0.57

01:21:59 they're just better than us maybe we're not qualified to place ourselves in the seat of

01:22:05 judgment um it's just it really is an arrogant thing to think uh you know what i'm going to um

01:22:13 re uh litigate history from hindsight um and i and i'm going to do it uh with with the people

01:22:27 who who were like unapologetically explicitly christian um and i'm going to do it from the

01:22:35 standpoint of like i'm going to stand on this mountain of 70 million baby skulls

01:22:41 and retroactively judge george whitfield that's that is an incredibly arrogant position

01:22:51 i don't know what's gonna say god god esteems the humble those who are humble enough to say

01:22:56 maybe before they got it better maybe they were wiser not a faux humility but the proverbs are

01:23:02 full of the humble man. It's the fool who's right in his own eyes. It's the fool who takes 0.99

01:23:07 policies of 60 years ago and adds those as gospel works. But it's the humble who God establishes 0.99

01:23:12 and says, no, he's to be praised because look at the humility and the deference that he has,

01:23:19 especially in respect to reverence for fathers. And for the record, yes, all these guys,

01:23:25 whether it be Edwards or Whitfield or Dabney, all these great Christian men, Stonewall Jackson,

01:23:30 um they all had harsh words for dealing with the transatlantic slave trade um the thing that 0.75

01:23:40 that they simply disagreed on was the institution of slavery altogether right so these were not men

01:23:49 saying you know what yeah uh we should uh we should keep um buying and selling people we

01:23:57 brought over a million we can make it two million next year yeah they were not saying that

01:24:01 Dabney, who everybody colors as a racist,

01:24:04 had harsh words against the transatlantic slave trade

01:24:07 and believed that the trade itself

01:24:09 should be immediately abolished.

01:24:13 He believed that it was a breach of God's law,

01:24:15 that it was sinful,

01:24:17 and he and others also recognized 0.87

01:24:19 that it was largely financed by Jews.

01:24:23 And they wanted to see it abolished. 0.68

01:24:27 But the idea of, okay, what do I do with someone?

01:24:30 who's third generation now in America, they only speak English. They've grown up in the church.

01:24:39 They've been catechized. They take the Lord's Supper right alongside their master and his

01:24:45 family. And I don't even know where they come from. And we're going to randomly drop this

01:24:51 person off, likely a thousand miles away from where their ancestry actually is. They don't

01:24:58 speak to like they're going to be slaughtered they're going to die alone in in the jungle

01:25:03 they're like they're going to get captured and sold back into slavery again yeah yeah these were

01:25:09 real issues that they were trying to think through and i think that they probably thought

01:25:15 through these issues better than most of us any other thoughts on that i know we have one more

01:25:20 commercial break well i was just going to say quickly as i think about the post-war consensus

01:25:25 the one sort of quote-unquote virtue, it's actually a non-virtue that bubbles up out of

01:25:31 all of those fundamental assumptions that they carry, that liberalism carries, is this idea that

01:25:37 social exclusion is evil. It's almost like kind of their last, the last offense is to say, well,

01:25:45 you want to exclude someone. You're bullying. It's a bully tactic. It's evil. You don't see

01:25:52 them as equal in the eyes of God. And I think I'll speak specifically to the Christian who 1.00

01:25:58 carries that assumption. They fail to see that distinction between the spiritual and the social 0.99

01:26:05 or the natural, right? And so socially, we exclude people all the time. There are people I don't let

01:26:11 into my home. There are Christians that I expect to see in glory that I would just simply say, 1.00

01:26:19 we you know hey keep going on you know keep doing your thing and i'll keep doing my thing over here 0.99

01:26:24 and like we're not going to be best friends and so there's all sorts of sorts of social exclusions

01:26:29 uh that we make and i think people just simply fail to see that um and and then of course the

01:26:33 terrible irony really sad irony is that the moment you don't believe that value you're excluded

01:26:40 socially and otherwise apparently yep all right let's go to our last commercial break and we'll

01:26:46 be back we'll try to take um some of your questions we've had some super chats so we're

01:26:50 going to prioritize the super chats and then we'll try to take some questions and we will be done

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01:29:51 all right let's go ahead and pull up the super chats we'll dive right into it

01:29:58 here they come all right first one daniel bartos he gave us 20 bucks thanks daniel we appreciate

01:30:04 it he said uh sorry that you have to spend so much time explaining a basic use of logic and

01:30:10 reasoning the binary thinking that we see today is an epidemic also uh when are you going to release

01:30:17 your Four Pillars merchandise.

01:30:21 He wants a Four Pillars shirt.

01:30:22 That's a need right there.

01:30:24 Yeah, I don't know.

01:30:25 It's not a bad idea.

01:30:26 Sure to spark a conversation

01:30:27 at your local grocery store.

01:30:29 Yeah, it would.

01:30:30 It would provide a lot of opportunities

01:30:32 to share the gospel.

01:30:34 Okay, Antonio,

01:30:35 you want to do the next one?

01:30:36 Yeah, Ked's Dead,

01:30:37 $86.79, $5.00.

01:30:39 Thank you.

01:30:40 Says, 1.00

01:30:41 Jews would just lie about citizenship 0.98

01:30:43 and Israel would back their lies. 0.99

01:30:45 I think, referring specifically to the dual citizenship.

01:30:50 What do you think?

01:30:52 I can never say it's been a problem in Christendom

01:30:54 where Christians said, 0.94

01:30:55 here, you must be this high to ride the ride. 0.93

01:30:57 To stay a citizen, you must do these things. 0.99

01:30:58 And Jews have lied in the past, historically. 0.99

01:31:01 So what do you do if Jews just lie about their ethnicity? 1.00

01:31:05 Like, forget citizenship. 1.00

01:31:06 There is always that game that occurs of like,

01:31:09 oh, well, you know, if you set up some standard,

01:31:12 Democrats will just try to evade the standard, right?

01:31:15 There's a little bit of political goodwill that you need for any kind of system to function. 0.79

01:31:19 Because to me, it's like, oh, well, you know, they'll keep their dual citizenship in line. 0.99

01:31:23 It's like, okay, well, so, okay, so then you say, like, I assume what he's implying is that, like, just no Jews, period. 0.91

01:31:31 Okay, well, then, all right, forget citizenship. 0.69

01:31:33 How do you know somebody is, you know, biologically a Jew? 0.88

01:31:37 And, you know, and so then it's like, well, there needs to be a physical marker. 0.96

01:31:41 uh maybe if we put like you know some kind of you know physical sign and and sewed like a patch

01:31:47 onto the you know it's like the government has to have a multi-billion dollar contract with 23 and

01:31:52 me you're gonna go down every street like like what are you gonna do like what are you gonna do

01:31:56 so so what i'm trying to do is i'm trying to have common sense merit-based um biblical policies

01:32:04 ban usury ban pornography ban dual citizenship as far as you can you know see you know legitimately

01:32:12 who has it if somebody lies they lie you know but to the best of your ability ban these things

01:32:17 like well what do you do if uh if people just go underground with pornography like that well okay

01:32:22 people will always like that's like that's a good thing it's like they went underground

01:32:26 public you can't access it online yeah yeah that's to me it's like saying like um well we

01:32:31 shouldn't ban murder because what if uh what if people uh murder uh in the middle of the night

01:32:36 secretly yes that's what people do that's correct yeah law is pragmatic in that way law and that's

01:32:44 why it's helpful i think particularly we talk about things like citizenship and uh civic duty

01:32:49 so on and so forth is getting to the principle like what am i really trying to get at when i say

01:32:53 property male landowner there's a principle behind those things and i'm using those as

01:32:59 qualifications to get to those principles and so um and and in this case we're saying why why no

01:33:06 dual citizenship that's what we're aiming for and there are probably several ways to um solve for

01:33:12 that uh but but the the major reason why is that those who are you know you you are a a lesser

01:33:18 civil magistrate um if you are a voting citizen in a republic um the the voting class is the civil

01:33:25 magistrate and so we're saying that like if you're going to be a voting citizen then you are a civil

01:33:31 magistrate who is dictating um the direction and uh the future of the country yeah and and so if

01:33:38 you're going to have that kind of power to dictate the future of the country you need to have your

01:33:43 allegiance solely vested in that country that you're dictating yeah and not have the potential

01:33:50 incentive of dictating policies here to benefit people over there now try to disagree with that

01:33:56 right exactly it's it's it's impossible to disagree yeah exactly because it's it is a common

01:34:00 sense merit-based policy and and that's that's why i hold the position that i'm holding is um

01:34:08 yeah because i'd you know it's like i would love to dress up like peter pan you know like all all

01:34:13 the guys to my right you know god bless them you know but like it's not halloween you know like i

01:34:18 mean it'd be great you know to build some cardboard swords you know and go through you know like that

01:34:22 that's fine but like part of the reason i hold the position that i do is i know it seems infeasible

01:34:28 today but i actually believe in my lifetime that uh that what i'm proposing could happen i i really

01:34:34 do i actually think because i think there's enough people who say yeah you know what pornography

01:34:39 really should be banned or like you talk about usury dude you're talking about an entire young

01:34:46 adult generation that is going to uh to get your back on that policy there's gonna be like yes

01:34:52 we can't live we can't own homes um so like the things that i'm putting forward are things that i

01:34:59 i really do believe are achievable even repealing the 19th amendment people laugh i'm telling you

01:35:05 i was saying this three years ago and it was like it was just it would blow up into the stratosphere

01:35:11 You're like, I can't believe all that.

01:35:13 And now, you know how many people gave me grief

01:35:17 who are now like, well, that's reasonable,

01:35:19 but I don't like that Joel says this other thing.

01:35:22 Story of my life. 1.00

01:35:24 My life has been, I hate you and I want to destroy you. 0.99

01:35:28 And then two years later, oh, of course I agree with that. 0.99

01:35:31 Everybody agrees with that. 0.99

01:35:32 I hate you and want to destroy you for this other thing. 1.00

01:35:35 Over and over. 0.99

01:35:36 I wish that eventually, that's part of the reason

01:35:38 why I'm careful.

01:35:39 um it doesn't mean that i don't publicly voice my disagreement but i'm careful about not

01:35:44 anathematizing people to my right you know one of the reasons why why i try to be careful about that

01:35:49 because i don't want to be that guy who has made my own life so so challenging and so difficult at

01:35:56 times who um is you're terrible i can't believe you blah blah blah blah blah and then two years

01:36:02 later you come around you're holding the exact same position you act as though it's common

01:36:06 knowledge and you never go back and set the record straight you never go back and apologize

01:36:10 you never go back and give credit where credit is due you never go back to that person that you

01:36:14 tried to ruin their life on social media and blew them up you know like um where where are those

01:36:20 guys where i i would love to see a line beginning to form uh to come and apologize where are the

01:36:27 apologies over covid yeah where are they where are the apologies over blm where are the apologies

01:36:34 over St. George Floyd? Where are the apologies? Where's the apologies over the 19th Amendment?

01:36:39 The number of people, you can see it. You can see it in real time on social media. Three years ago,

01:36:44 I say it, there's like three people agreeing with me and hundreds of thousands trying to ruin my

01:36:51 life. And now it's, yes, it is still a minority, but it's tens of thousands of people saying,

01:36:58 oh, this is reasonable. This makes sense. I understand that. Yeah. Oh, household voting.

01:37:02 you know like how could you call that a sin maybe you disagree but it's not sinful like

01:37:06 do you know how fast things have changed in two or three years it is astronomical um it's

01:37:13 astronomical but my point is that like with all these policies that i'm that i'm presenting and

01:37:19 suggesting i actually i believe first that they're they're biblical secondly i believe they're

01:37:27 feasible i actually do i actually think that it is possible that in our lifetime that universal

01:37:32 suffrage um is removed i think it's possible in our lifetime that usury exorbitant forms of usury

01:37:40 are banned i think it's possible that pornography is banned i think it's possible that abortion is

01:37:44 abolished but i already covered that by repealing the 19th amendment so um there's a there's a lot

01:37:50 of you get rid of that one and boom boom boom boom they're like what happened why is america

01:37:54 is such an incredible place to live you know my life is so much better i pay less in taxes i can 0.93

01:37:58 afford a home i like what happened uh women don't vote anymore that's that's what happened i mean

01:38:03 that you just look at the statistics there would not be one democrat president in the united states 0.51

01:38:08 for the last half of a century 50 years if women couldn't vote i it's i mean it is phenomenal so

01:38:15 um anyways all that back to the comment of you know what if they lied about citizenship okay 0.98

01:38:20 all right so then you you get rid of all the jews what if they lie about being a jew um you know 0.88

01:38:25 like uh well you know like what if what if people uh what if somebody murdered somebody and lied 0.98

01:38:30 about it like that's that's just that that's always that's always something that you have to

01:38:36 deal with always um okay next all right nick bonner uh great brother brother joel 20 27 99

01:38:44 27 that was like california canada same thing canada canada brother joel preaching the truth

01:38:50 love today w right response thanks nick really appreciate it 100 johnny randolph 4111 keep up

01:38:59 the good fight thanks so much johnny that's thanks johnny really appreciate it appreciate it uh joel

01:39:04 go ahead okay uh this is uh daniel bartos again um 20 from daniel he said never quit i will never

01:39:14 quit um if you help me uh employ my team that's my promise i will never quit um but i will have

01:39:23 a lot of people who don't quit but who are forcefully laid off if we can't keep the lights

01:39:28 on all right antonio yeah uh daniel bartos says again may the spirit of christ strengthen you

01:39:34 thanks daniel um huddo hippo moms uh sent 9.99 just with 1999 or no 9.99 there oh i'm sorry

01:39:44 you're right but but just just the tag at huddo hippo moms i don't know if there was a question

01:39:48 nathan attached maybe that came before um and then they just sent the super chat anyway we can look

01:39:55 real quick um just one second guys we're looking because if they did attach a question we want to

01:40:01 honor that since they gave the super chat we appreciate it huddle hippo moms um just for

01:40:06 anybody who's like what is what is that huddle hippo hippo uh hippo is the mascot of the town

01:40:12 of huddle which is in central texas where we are yeah so all right cool all right we can keep going

01:40:17 with no question uh go to favorites i think these are just super chats perfect jose vega

01:40:24 1999 to become bulletproof god bless you joel god bless you jose appreciate that

01:40:31 jonathan storms 20 thanks jonathan keep fighting fellow kings america we will be christian

01:40:37 we'll have our heritage again thank you for your faithful leadership by god we'll have our home

01:40:41 again by god we'll have our home again all right thank you jonathan uh next one is logan howlett

01:40:47 3024 he gave us ten dollars he said uh brothers i'm reformed post-mill calvinist uh my wife and 0.55

01:40:55 i agree that women shouldn't vote i support israel because islam is the giant enemy and they want 0.69

01:41:02 to kill jews and us do you see me as an ally um it depends so so i i see you as a brother in christ 0.99

01:41:11 if you're reformed and post-mill and calvinist then that assumes you know christian so in terms 0.98

01:41:18 of brotherhood do you believe that jesus is the eternally begotten son of god who was enfleshed

01:41:27 right and in the incarnation took on flesh dwelt among us lived a sinless life died a substitutionary

01:41:33 death on the cross for our sin under the wrath of god was bodily raised from the dead on the third

01:41:38 day, revealed himself to 500 witnesses, and ascended to the right hand of God the Father,

01:41:43 and that he promises to return to judge both the living and the dead? If so, and I'm assuming the

01:41:49 answer to that is yes, then you are a brother in Christ. In terms of being an ally, I think it's

01:41:55 just helpful. Clarity of language is helpful. There are categories. So an ally in doing the

01:42:03 work of an evangelist and sharing the gospel about jesus and eternal salvation with others

01:42:08 um if you're a christian like everything that we've that i just covered then yes um do i see

01:42:15 you as a um a cultural ally um on many fronts probably you probably want to see the end of

01:42:20 abortion you want to see the end of women voting of women voting no fault divorce absolutely um

01:42:27 as a political ally no uh no i don't think you're a political ally um that's my position you guys

01:42:35 are free to disagree with me but um when you say support israel i i guess you'd have to clarify

01:42:41 that right at best support israel generally speaking or support israel in something specific

01:42:47 because i can imagine a scenario where you support israel on a specific geopolitical

01:42:52 topic or you know some tension uh where it's like this makes sense this truly is america first

01:42:57 right so you have to consider that if you're saying i support israel as a nation state

01:43:02 insofar as um i believe apart from our tax dollars and us sending them trillions and trillions of

01:43:08 dollars over the past few decades um apart from america propping israel up independently in and

01:43:14 of themselves um i i believe as a cudgel against islam that's what they specifically right yeah

01:43:19 but they have a right to exist um sure uh but if it's like i support israel and genociding 0.74

01:43:29 um palestinians in gaza no um i support israel in uh going into uh other nations and forcing

01:43:38 regime change no i support israel um and and their influence in american politics and espionage and

01:43:46 israeli intelligence and having a stranglehold through blackmail um with you know with american

01:43:54 politicians to force america to do things that are not actually in our best interest no absolutely

01:43:59 not so yeah you're right antonio that would have to be qualified i support israel um okay how how

01:44:08 do you support israel but anyways a long long way of saying um there's a difference between brother

01:44:14 and ally um and then with ally um there's different categories right there's uh ally

01:44:21 culturally ally politically ally you know with this ally with that and depending how you answer

01:44:26 that question of in what way do you support israel uh then the answer could could be yes

01:44:32 um and could be no uh for myself personally i do not support israel um i i think you know i'm not 0.98

01:44:40 saying that we should go to war with Israel, but I absolutely believe that we should cut 0.67

01:44:43 all ties with Israel and that they should stand on their own two feet. And if they do something 0.96

01:44:51 that's egregious, then I actually do think that we should be involved, not with Israel, 0.95

01:44:57 but against them. I think that we should be involved and say, I'm sorry, you have to stop 0.98

01:45:02 killing babies in gaza you you can't do that um so yeah so i i do not support israel and it depends 0.99

01:45:10 on how you answer that question what you mean okay next one antonio yep uh silhouette uh f9x 0.94

01:45:16 sent 20 thanks for that and says i'm a catholic i found your content a few weeks ago and have

01:45:22 been enjoying your content uh i hope catholics and protestants can find more unity in this culture

01:45:27 war i know it's been said but i hope to see collab with njf nicholas j nicholas j fuentes

01:45:34 yep um i appreciate that and that that honestly flows nicely off of the last question again um

01:45:41 talking about um being an ally so he used the word uh unity but notice he specifies unity in this

01:45:48 culture war yeah so like part of you know um my critiques uh with billy graham and some of his

01:45:55 later crusades he had catholic priests at the altar number one i don't really like altar calls

01:46:01 um i think it's too emotionally driven um but but he had you know altar calls so he'd do a call

01:46:08 for salvation you know for people to come forward and um and become christians and he had catholic

01:46:15 priests at the altar to to lead people in in a prayer of faith and i would say well but wait

01:46:23 on that front we're talking about how does god save what what is the gospel and how does god

01:46:29 save um so no i i'm i'm not going to partner um on something like that but again to be fair to the

01:46:37 the the question um it protestants i hope that catholics and protestants can find more unity

01:46:44 in this culture war um catholics have done a world of good um arguably more than protestants

01:46:51 in fighting for the sanctity of life for the unborn, for instance.

01:46:56 Catholics have done a ton of good on multiple cultural fronts.

01:47:02 And so the way I see it is, again, as co-belligerents, as allies,

01:47:07 which is different than this person would be an elder in my church,

01:47:11 or even the level of this person would be a member in my church.

01:47:14 For membership in my church, it would be like,

01:47:18 okay, so you were baptized in the Catholic church,

01:47:21 you've spent your entire life being a Catholic, let's talk about soteriology. Let's talk about

01:47:29 that. Doctrine of God, theology proper, we'd be good. Catholics have better, in my opinion,

01:47:34 better theology proper than most Protestants. But we would have to talk about soteriology,

01:47:40 and that would be a criteria for whether or not I could offer not just leadership, but membership

01:47:46 in my church. So Nick Fuentes, for instance, Nick Fuentes is not going to be an elder

01:47:52 at Covenant Bible Church, and Nick Fuentes would not be a member at Covenant Bible Church,

01:47:57 nor would he want to. He's a devoted Catholic. But insofar on cultural issues and political issues,

01:48:06 all truth is God's truth, right? Like if we discovered old ancient Babylonian libraries,

01:48:10 I don't think we should burn all the books. I think we should plunder them. And whatever is true,

01:48:14 we should we should take and instill in whatever is false we should abandon and reject and when

01:48:21 it comes to culture and politics that's the way i see it um that you can have co-belligerent

01:48:26 political co-belligerence you can have cultural co-belligerence and i i echo your sentiment i

01:48:32 also hope to see catholics and protestants find more unity in the culture war i think that that's

01:48:39 stated um plainly and clearly and i think i can say that and affirm that give a hearty amen

01:48:44 while maintaining all of my protestant bona fides yeah and i think the protestants who

01:48:50 recoil at that um i i think you've got to grow up you you got to see what what time it is

01:48:58 we're not saying that um that this catholic local catholic church and this protestant church

01:49:04 should merge that their churches should merge we're not saying that um but uh there's a bunch

01:49:10 of catholics outside of an abortion clinic trying to see it shut down uh yeah i think you can partner

01:49:16 with them so all right less all right you're gonna have to help me on this pronunciation 0.64

01:49:23 nathan de brulee de brulee the l's the eyes and the e's at this distance they're blurring together

01:49:33 Well, you know what?

01:49:34 It sounds French. 1.00

01:49:35 And when it comes to the French, I appreciate a little distance. 1.00

01:49:38 You know what I mean? 1.00

01:49:40 All right.

01:49:41 Oh, there we go.

01:49:42 I think I did it right.

01:49:43 I still can't say it.

01:49:44 Nathan.

01:49:45 Du Brouillier.

01:49:46 There we go.

01:49:47 Nathan sent a $99 super chat.

01:49:50 Thanks so much, Nathan.

01:49:50 Thanks, Nathan.

01:49:51 That's very kind, very generous.

01:49:53 But a good question in here.

01:49:54 Love the show.

01:49:54 Have you seen Fuentes' show exposing J.D. Vance?

01:49:57 He tied together a lot of the same stuff y'all have talked about before.

01:50:00 God bless.

01:50:01 God bless.

01:50:02 I have.

01:50:02 We did an episode, this would have been about two months ago,

01:50:04 on J.D. Vance, Peter Thiel, Palantir.

01:50:07 I think we all hold a little bit more hope from him.

01:50:09 That's what I was going to say.

01:50:11 That's the only difference, I think.

01:50:12 We've seen his material.

01:50:13 Yes, we've seen his material.

01:50:14 No talking points.

01:50:15 And we think, and just for the record,

01:50:16 I think that those are the things when Nick excels.

01:50:19 People are like, why would you say something positive about Nick Fontos?

01:50:24 I'm not going to listen to Nick to see, like, okay,

01:50:27 so which curse words should I use from the pulpit?

01:50:29 you know or um that's like of course i disagree on that everybody knows that nick knows that um

01:50:36 i've talked to him like if we do a collaboration um uh you can't curse on the show and you know

01:50:44 what nick's response was he said of course i want it i i know you're a pastor i know it's not my

01:50:49 show of course i would honor that so we wouldn't even have to oh we're gonna have to you know

01:50:53 bleep out all this stuff and edit no we wouldn't have to do that because uh nick would be respectful

01:50:58 and wouldn't curse so yeah there's plenty of things that we disagree on he's a catholic i'm

01:51:02 a protestant he curses you know on the show and i'm not going to do that um but politically guys

01:51:08 like i don't know what to tell you um politically he's a savant he he is he called a lot of these

01:51:17 things very early on i'm not saying he's the only one i'm not saying he's the only one there have

01:51:21 been some others but he has been one of the the loudest and earliest voices in our generation yes

01:51:27 there was pat buchanan god god bless pat buchanan um so i'm not saying that nobody is you know

01:51:32 there's there's been revolutions uh revolting against the zeitgeist you know henry ford for

01:51:38 goodness sake you know like there's there's been plenty of guys who have come in whether it be in

01:51:42 the 1910s or the 1930s and i'm talking about in america um yeah there are plenty of guys who have

01:51:47 uh sounded the alarm um so i'm not saying that he's the first uh but but he has been one of the

01:51:54 most uh consistent and uh early and loud and here's the other thing uh well informed that

01:52:03 that's the big thing uh find me another guy who's as autistic as nick fuentes and has spent a decade

01:52:12 just reading reading scouring every every corner of the internet i mean the guy

01:52:18 like the guy knows what he's talking about so i i would say the big difference between us and nick

01:52:25 as it pertains to jd vance we did an episode um saying that basically to sum it up we said

01:52:31 there are three you think of affections ties allegiances there are three big affections

01:52:37 that are vying for jd vance's heart um one is his quintessential american childhood

01:52:45 appalachia i mean heartland america scott's irish scott irish stock raised by his grandmother

01:52:53 mom is is kind of like a statistic of of fly over america forgotten neglected um that's that's

01:53:02 powerful yeah that's his childhood i mean he has kind of like the superman art you know like born

01:53:08 in kansas you know raising up uh raised up around cattle and farmers you know corn fed you know like

01:53:14 i mean quintessential american um uh ancestry and childhood story and that's great um but that's not

01:53:24 all and and that got a lot of playtime um funded by guys like peter thiel uh with you know his um

01:53:34 his book that netflix made a movie what was it called hillbilly elegy hillbilly elegy um so my

01:53:40 the point is is not to say that um oh it's not true uh the fact that it became a book and a

01:53:45 best sell and all that kind of stuff doesn't mean that that's not still in his heart that is who he

01:53:50 is it is who he is and it's still there somewhere it's still there and so our only difference with

01:53:56 nick is we're just saying that part's still there the other two parts though you have to recognize

01:54:01 in terms of vying for his affections um he is married to an indian woman who was a hindu

01:54:06 and from what i've seen may have recently converted to catholicism um but if so it's very recent

01:54:15 and she is um of indian uh origin her parents live in india i'm pretty sure she so they have

01:54:22 first son is named vivek first yeah his first son is named vivek you can see the pictures of his

01:54:28 kids clothed in indian hindu garb um and if she is a convert it's very recent so to we're just

01:54:35 trying to be honest we're not trying to pick on jd vance but if you think that his wife right so

01:54:41 think of think of it like this i'll give you a story in the positive um remember king um is it

01:54:47 king it's not king nebuchadnezzar king xerxes i believe um and esther the queen well uh that king

01:54:56 was moved to enact policy that benefited one particular group of people because his wife told

01:55:04 him to and those people were her people right that's how politics works guys right um you you

01:55:13 can repeal a woman's vote uh but you will never repeal her voice nor should you for that matter 0.98

01:55:19 i don't i don't want to see women in the public square leading the discourse but i believe it's

01:55:24 it's god's design that one woman with her husband would would be one of his chief counselors my wife

01:55:31 is always, in a respectful way, not domineering over me, but in a respectful way as a godly woman,

01:55:37 my wife is constantly giving me counsel because I ask for it. I ask for it, and I want to hear

01:55:43 what she has to say. And what my wife says, it's like, well, Joel, you know, he stripped her of

01:55:49 all her dignity, all her power. In the life of Joel Webin, the most powerful person on the planet

01:55:56 is Megan Webin, my wife.

01:56:00 She has more power than my elders, not formally.

01:56:03 My elders have formal power

01:56:05 in the ecclesiastical sense in our church.

01:56:08 But in terms of informally,

01:56:09 she has more power than all my elders combined,

01:56:12 my deacons combined,

01:56:13 the board of right response combined,

01:56:16 my closest friends combined,

01:56:17 because she has the heart of her husband.

01:56:19 The Proverbs even say of a godly woman,

01:56:21 the heart of her husband trusts her.

01:56:23 and so i'm just thinking about that think about esther and how she influenced her husband the

01:56:30 king think of my wife now think of of jd vance it is not ideal i'm sure she's a wonderful woman

01:56:38 none of this is trying to beat up on it but it is not ideal for a man who is one heartbeat away

01:56:44 from the presidency of the united states for his closest confidant to be someone who her entire

01:56:51 extended family lives in another nation and uh and until very recently has practiced a false

01:57:00 religion and an adherent to a false religion worshiping of a foreign false god and from a

01:57:06 foreign people so one his childhood and upbringing um ancestry appalachia uh that's good but two

01:57:15 others his wife and then the last one is um the the the techno right the the technocracy of your

01:57:24 alex carp ceo of palantir your peter thiels um and his institute and the backing that jd vance

01:57:30 has had from peter thiel for years and years now um it's not just like oh you know what what a

01:57:36 magical story i think he has i think he really does have a magical story but here's the deal

01:57:40 let's let's just be honest there are thousands of people from appalachia who probably have

01:57:44 magical stories of the quintessential Americana and overcoming insurmountable odds. And it's a

01:57:52 true American story. But why is his story known by everyone? Why was his story made into a book

01:57:59 and a movie? How did his story become a bestseller? How did he become a bigwig as a VC

01:58:08 with zero experience among venture capitalists.

01:58:12 And how did he get the largest donation from Peter Thiel

01:58:16 for any other state?

01:58:18 In the history of U.S. Senate races.

01:58:21 Yeah, like, and so you just have to acknowledge that.

01:58:23 And then you have to look at Peter Thiel and say,

01:58:26 oh, but he's based, he's on the right.

01:58:29 Peter Thiel wants to achieve transhumanism. 0.97

01:58:33 Peter Thiel is a sodomite. 1.00

01:58:35 He has gay sex with men. 1.00

01:58:38 Alex Karp, who is the CEO of Palantir, which Peter Thiel is heavily involved in, is a Jew, 1.00

01:58:44 and has said publicly, he said, Alex Karp, CEO of Palantir, which is very much in the pocket

01:58:50 of J.D. Vance and the Trump administration, has said publicly, and I quote, my greatest fear is

01:58:56 Christian nationalists taking power. Not the left, right? This is the base right wing Alex Karp. Yeah, 0.72

01:59:01 right. My greatest fear is not the left, but Christian nationalists taking power and throwing 0.88

01:59:06 me out of a window and that guy has incredible influence with jd vance so jd vance it's his

01:59:14 childhood and ancestry that's good it's his wife i'm sure she's a wonderful woman but that is not

01:59:19 good that's not good india i don't i don't want india to have a pool a strong familial tie to my

01:59:27 president here in america that's a perfectly reasonable position um and then lastly uh peter

01:59:33 Thiel and Alex Karp and the right tech lords, all the PayPal mafia, David Sachs and Elon Musk.

01:59:40 And so my point is we agree with Nick's position pretty much entirely. We just haven't come to

01:59:46 his conclusion. We see his conclusion as being entirely plausible. He may be right. He tends to

01:59:51 be right. But we would simply, the only thing that we would distinguish ourselves in that regard

01:59:56 from Nick is we would say there are three different ties, not just one. Nick emphasizes

02:00:01 um peter thiel and palantir we say there are three um two of them are concerning nick is concerned

02:00:07 about one and rightfully so we're concerned about two um but we're hopeful with that third

02:00:12 um that his childhood would win out and um and jd vance has our our prayers um we are praying

02:00:19 for him okay we got to finish up uh i hear my family they're home uh this is uh west you want

02:00:25 to take this one or antonio can you take this one bo cannington sent fifty dollars thanks bo thanks

02:00:30 says you gentlemen do excellent work with these cultural and biblical conversations i've learned

02:00:34 a lot from your experience knowledge and willingness to tell the truth keep it up and

02:00:38 much appreciated thank you we appreciate it all right well that's it for the show for today

02:00:44 we hope that you've been blessed by it and lord willing we will see you on friday at 3 p.m central

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