The NXR Podcast - THE LIVESTREAM - Universal Suffrage, Racism, & Antisemitism

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00:00:26.800 so a clip from one of my past sermons has been going viral over the last 24 to 48 hours here's

00:00:35.500 the culprit who set the whole thing off his name is jordan here's a tweet from him he says i wonder

00:00:40.600 who joel is referring to here and then he quotes a part of my sermon part of this clip where i say

00:00:46.180 it is only when you get the lowest iq population the poorest population the highest statistically

00:00:52.660 criminalized population and give them an equal vote with heritage americans dot dot dot

00:00:59.760 so he's insinuating that i'm saying black people can't vote let's go ahead and watch the clip

00:01:06.640 it is actually a benefit when there is an aristocracy whether formally or informally

00:01:13.860 meaning when there is a class of citizens that is a subset of the population as a whole

00:01:20.900 that have been groomed and trained rigorously

00:01:24.340 in virtue, in intellect, in philosophy,

00:01:28.420 and most importantly, the scriptures,

00:01:30.860 and that they would be appointed to lead

00:01:33.440 and the peanut gallery wouldn't.

00:01:37.520 But our sacred democracy,

00:01:38.960 you know why Democrats love democracy so much?

00:01:41.820 Because only when you have universal suffrage

00:01:45.560 do you get a Democrat elected.

00:01:48.140 It is only when you get the lowest IQ population, the poorest population, the highest statistically

00:01:58.220 criminalized population, and give them an equal vote with heritage Americans who have

00:02:05.160 been here for 400 years, who work hard, who pay the bulk of the taxes, and who are outstanding

00:02:12.440 citizens who have not broken the law.

00:02:14.340 It is only when you make everyone else an equal voter to them that you get someone like Ilhan Omar in a political office.

00:02:28.120 Nancy Pelosi, Joe Biden.

00:02:31.260 So true, King. Absolutely true.

00:02:34.320 Our founders had absolutely nothing positive to say about a raw democracy, a mob rule democracy whatsoever.

00:02:41.260 The whole goal was to give us a constitutional republic.

00:02:44.760 Now, the reality is that on paper, we still have a constitutional republic, but in function,

00:02:49.720 that is long gone.

00:02:51.240 And it's time for us to simply call a spade a spade and acknowledge that it's gone.

00:02:55.480 Benjamin Franklin, he was asked specifically, Mr. Franklin, what did you give us?

00:02:59.360 And he said, a republic if you can keep it.

00:03:02.640 And the verdict has come back in.

00:03:04.060 We did not, in fact, keep it.

00:03:06.120 our constitutional republic has devolved into a mob rule democracy and none of the founders had

00:03:12.100 anything positive to say about democracy and more importantly the scripture the bible has nothing

00:03:17.420 positive to say about democracy you want to find democracy biblical examples of democracy in the

00:03:22.580 bible here's one pilot turns to the crowd to the jews and says who do you want who do you want me

00:03:28.740 to release to set free barabbas or jesus and the crowd in their sacred democracy says barabbas

00:03:34.840 Barabbas. Give us Barabbas. And then Pilate turns and says, well, then what do you want me to do

00:03:39.680 with Christ? What do you want me to do with Jesus? And they say, crucify him, crucify him. Biblically

00:03:44.920 speaking, this is what democracy has accomplished throughout human history, the death of the Lord

00:03:50.160 of glory, the crucifixion of Christ, the most heinous, wicked act that has ever occurred in

00:03:56.680 the history of the world. Democracy sucks. Democracy is not an inherent virtue. There's nothing sacred

00:04:04.480 about it. And so what I'm espousing in that sermon clip, you might say, well, how did you get there?

00:04:09.200 Because I was railing against liberalism and egalitarianism. And egalitarianism runs all the

00:04:15.860 way down. It is not just the difference between men and women. Well, I'm not an egalitarian. I'm

00:04:20.420 a complementarian. We have male elders, and we only allow men to preach on the Lord's Day,

00:04:24.740 except for on Mother's Day. We might have Beth Moore come in, you know, and preach at our church. 0.79

00:04:28.600 No, you're an egalitarian. You are a feminist. But feminism is just one expression of egalitarianism. 1.00

00:04:35.420 Liberalism is like the car. Egalitarianism is the engine. And out of egalitarianism comes feminism. 0.98

00:04:42.100 But another thing that comes out of egalitarianism is democracy. See, it's not just that Johnny and

00:04:48.540 Jackie are different, but also Johnny and Jimmy are different. Johnny may grow up to be a statesman,

00:04:54.660 and Jimmy, by the grace of God and the strength that the Holy Spirit supplies, may grow up to be

00:04:59.940 a wonderful plumber, and that's okay. No one should demean or disparage Jimmy for being a plumber,

00:05:07.140 but Jimmy and Johnny are not the same. Not everyone is the same, and the idea that our nation and its

00:05:12.760 entire political and cultural future would be dictated by everyone is not an advantage. It's

00:05:19.120 not a benefit. No, I was not specifically, exclusively referencing black people. But I'm

00:05:24.860 not going to sit here and be dishonest. I will tell you from the statistics, yes, the policies,

00:05:30.840 the criteria that I would humbly suggest for who should vote in America, they would

00:05:35.940 disproportionately affect black people. All right. And so I tweeted this out and responded to a guy

00:05:41.460 named Joel Richardson. Let's pull this tweet up. Joel Richardson, he picked up this clip that was

00:05:46.320 going viral. He says, Joel Webin has already been very vocal about his view that women should not

00:05:51.000 have the right to vote. Yes and amen. Repeal the 19th Amendment. Zero apology. The 19th Amendment

00:05:56.720 is a wicked, heinous sin that exalts. It split the household. So much of the divorce and families

00:06:04.520 falling apart, you can trace it all back to the 19th Amendment. When we split the family, when

00:06:09.700 we split, God in his word says, what God has brought together, man and woman in marriage,

00:06:15.420 let no man put asunder the 19th amendment it split husband and wife husbands as the head of

00:06:22.360 their household cast the family vote that's the way that it was done that's the way that it should

00:06:28.100 be done so Joel Richardson said well Joel's already been vocal about the the fact that he's

00:06:32.500 not a raging feminist correct the fact that he thinks that we should go back to American policy

00:06:38.020 not that long ago here in this country where the 19th amendment wasn't a thing correct and here

00:06:44.840 He picks back up. Here, he's essentially arguing the same for black Americans. Only heritage

00:06:50.760 Americans, according to Joel, should have the right to vote. And then he puts in parentheses

00:06:55.140 there, when he says heritage Americans, he means whites like himself. So I retweeted Joel Richardson,

00:07:01.600 who is a raging Zionist, just for the record. His ultimate allegiance is not to Christianity,

00:07:07.780 not historic Christianity, but to Zionism, right? This is why he follows me, and this is why he

00:07:13.620 retweets me negatively and is trying to take me down. It's not so much his allegiance to,

00:07:18.360 I'm concerned about black people. Nope, he is concerned for Jews. He is concerned for Zionism.

00:07:24.760 So here's my response. I said, here's my criteria for voting. All right, I put five things. Now,

00:07:29.960 I would personally add a couple more, but this was just me responding as quickly as I could.

00:07:34.340 I said, here's five criteria for voting. Number one, America should be a Christian nation. I'm

00:07:40.140 a Christian nationalist. And so, yes, I would require a public profession of faith that you're

00:07:45.800 a Christian in order to vote. So my first requirement before getting into anything else

00:07:50.540 is faith. It's religion. You should be a Christian. Well, what kind of Christian, Joel? A creedal,

00:07:57.400 historic creed Christian. You should publicly affirm, you should have to publicly affirm

00:08:03.040 the Nicene Creed, the Apostles' Creed. Well, what about Catholics? Could they vote? Yes.

00:08:10.140 Well, what about Eastern Orthodox? Yes. What about Baptists and Anglicans and Episcopalians

00:08:16.240 and Presbyterians? Yes. What about Mormons? No, it's a cult. No. No, they don't believe that Jesus

00:08:24.740 is the creator. They believe that he is the first created. They believe he's the first created,

00:08:31.980 but not creator. They're non-Trinitarian. No, of course, they can't vote. They're not Christian.

00:08:37.760 Jehovah's Witness, what about them?

00:08:39.120 Nope, they're not Christian.

00:08:41.160 Seventh-day Adventists, nope, they're not Christian.

00:08:44.460 It is a cult.

00:08:46.040 Okay, but what about Muslims?

00:08:48.320 No way.

00:08:49.700 What about Jews?

00:08:50.960 No way.

00:08:52.420 Hindus?

00:08:53.160 No way.

00:08:54.480 Atheists?

00:08:55.200 No way.

00:08:55.820 Well, what about white European descendants who worship Thor?

00:08:59.280 No way.

00:09:00.800 Christian, that's first.

00:09:02.260 Second, you must be a male adult.

00:09:05.340 No women voting? 0.93

00:09:06.260 No. 0.89

00:09:07.040 you must be a male adult. Number three, you must be married. You must be married. Why? 0.83

00:09:12.700 Not everybody can have kids, but I would be using marriage in order to indicate. Of course,

00:09:18.480 there are exceptions. Some people can't have kids, but what it indicates is that this person,

00:09:22.820 because one of the main purposes of God for marriage, yes, marriage reflects the eternal

00:09:27.820 marriage between Christ and the church. That is one of the purposes for marriage. But another

00:09:31.940 major purpose for marriage listed in the scripture is procreation, right? It's posterity. It's future

00:09:38.400 generations. The person who forgoes marriage is a person who ultimately does not have stock in the

00:09:44.720 future of our country. So you need to be Christian. You need to be male. You need to be married,

00:09:50.220 right? Meaning that you have a stake in future generations. If you're going to dictate decisions

00:09:56.020 politically and culturally for the future of our nation, you need to have a stake in its future

00:10:01.120 that you're going to have your own descendants who are going to bear the consequences, the results

00:10:07.320 of the decisions that you're making when you cast your vote. Here's the fourth thing. Third

00:10:12.140 generation American. That's what I mean when I say heritage American. Third generation American

00:10:17.680 on both sides of the family, both the mother and the father. Why? Because you need to have a stake

00:10:22.740 in the future of the country, you're married, and a stake in the past. If you just showed up,

00:10:27.300 I don't care how much you love apple pie. I don't care if you've clicked your heels together,

00:10:32.120 said the magic words, memorized and regurgitated the Declaration of Independence, and you said

00:10:38.320 the magic words while standing on the magic soil, and you got a piece of paper that says you're a

00:10:42.400 citizen. You are not an American, and you will never be an American. That doesn't mean that you

00:10:46.980 can't be here peacefully, and that doesn't mean that your descendants, generations down the line,

00:10:51.780 that they won't eventually be Americans, but you are not an American. And I don't mean that in a

00:10:57.300 rude way. I mean that you're, I'm sorry, you are what you are, right? You're here on an H-1B visa

00:11:03.120 from India. You're Indian. You're living in America, but you're not American. Of course,

00:11:08.920 you're not American, but I gained citizenship, right? Then you have an American citizenship,

00:11:13.140 but you're not an American. If I move to Japan and I get Japanese citizenship, I will still never be

00:11:19.520 Japanese. And I think that a country that has its highest allegiance, that's truly America first,

00:11:25.800 has its highest loyalty to its native citizens, should not give voting rights. There may be some

00:11:31.600 form of citizenship, but there must be reserved a full voting citizenship for native citizens.

00:11:38.500 Those who have stock in the country, they have a stake in its future, they're married,

00:11:42.580 and they have a stake in its history, its heritage, its past, they are third-generation

00:11:47.420 Americans, right? So you need to be third generation American. Number five, net positive

00:11:52.760 taxpayer. Of course, there would be some exceptions, right? If you're a vet, you served in the military,

00:11:58.500 you went to war, you lost your legs fighting for your country. Now you can't work and you're on

00:12:04.100 disability and you take more in taxes than you contribute, you get to vote. You're American.

00:12:09.860 God bless you. Thank you for your service. And I'm sorry that the war that you lost your legs in was

00:12:14.420 probably our country sending you to fight for Israel. Seriously, I'm sincerely sorry about the

00:12:21.140 wickedness of America that would send its sons and its daughters, because we're so wicked,

00:12:26.240 to go and die for a foreign country instead of our own. But yes, that guy gets to vote.

00:12:32.160 What I'm talking about, so there are some exceptions, but I'm talking about the typical

00:12:35.900 person, right? Not the disabled vet, but the typical person who is a perpetual welfare class.

00:12:44.420 who takes from the system far more over the course of their life than they give to the system.

00:12:51.060 If you are taking more from taxes than you are giving in taxes, then you should not get a vote.

00:12:56.880 No way. And then I forgot a couple more, but dual citizen, and we'll get to that here in just a

00:13:02.160 moment. If you are a dual citizen, then you should not be able to vote. If you're going to vote in

00:13:07.980 America, right? So you can have some form of citizenship. You can live here peacefully. You

00:13:12.360 shouldn't be mistreated. You should be equal under the law, but you don't get a vote. If you want to

00:13:16.960 vote in America, then you need to be solely loyal to America. And what that looks like is

00:13:23.620 relinquishing your citizenship in some other foreign country. Ruth came in as a Moabitess 0.56

00:13:30.800 woman. She came into Israel, right? Assimilation is a thing. It does exist. She came in to Israel.

00:13:36.720 But here's the thing. She says, your people will be my people. Your God will be my God. And what

00:13:40.680 she meant by that, right? The necessary implications of that is that she was forsaking

00:13:45.440 her previous people, her homeland, her heritage, and she was forsaking her false Moabite gods.

00:13:53.420 So she doesn't come into Israel and set up shrines, public shrines in the public square

00:13:59.960 to false Moabite gods, right? No, no. And she doesn't maintain citizenship in Moab. No,

00:14:08.280 she's saying, your people will be my people, your God will be my God. And what that means is she

00:14:12.560 doesn't have one foot in both camps. She's fully integrating into Israel. Okay, so no, no dual

00:14:19.220 citizenship if you're going to be a full voting citizen in America. So you must be Christian,

00:14:24.960 you must be male, you must be married, you must be third generation American, heritage American,

00:14:30.240 you must be a net positive taxpayer, and you also cannot have dual citizenship. And then of course,

00:14:36.920 we might also add, you can't be a criminal. If you have a criminal record, right, not speeding

00:14:42.940 tickets, but a criminal record, then no, you don't get to vote, right? So that would be now seven

00:14:48.380 different criteria for voting. Nowhere in that did I say that this group of people, based on

00:14:56.080 their race, cannot vote. Again, though, I acknowledge fully because it's simply a fact

00:15:01.880 that this would disproportionately affect some peoples more than others, right? This would

00:15:07.000 disproportionately affect black people. Why? Because black people, statistically, it is proven it's a

00:15:12.520 reality. I don't form reality. Don't get mad at me. Reality is reality. Black people commit higher

00:15:18.200 crime than white people, significantly higher crime than white people. Black men abandon their

00:15:25.040 children and their wives more than white people. Notice when I said married, that also would

00:15:30.080 disclude those who have been divorced. You divorce your wife, you abandon your family,

00:15:35.260 you don't get to vote. Well, but that's going to affect a lot of black men, correct?

00:15:40.500 So they need to be better men. Yeah, we don't want garbage people voting. There are garbage 0.95

00:15:48.660 white people. There are garbage black people. Yeah, but Joel, there's more black people that 0.73

00:15:54.620 want to get... Sorry. This sounds like they need to step it up. Sounds like they need to repent.

00:16:02.780 Yeah, you don't get to divorce your wife and leave your kids. You don't get to be on the welfare

00:16:06.620 system, and you don't get to be a criminal committing crime and vote in the country.

00:16:13.040 So yes, these policies, you need to be a Christian, you need to be a man, you need to be married and

00:16:18.220 stay married, and you've got to be a net positive taxpayer. That means you provide for your kids,

00:16:22.760 and you don't make Daddy Sam, not just Uncle Sam, but Daddy Sam provide for your kids. And you need

00:16:28.220 to be third generation American. So let's go now to the next tweet. This is the next thing that I

00:16:33.280 said. Joel Richardson, he just clapped back, kept tweeting, kept tweeting. He said, well, given that

00:16:38.160 many black Americans can trace their ancestry in this country back to the 1600s, often longer than

00:16:43.720 the majority of white families now here, are they full heritage Americans in your view? He's asking

00:16:48.940 me? Or is that term simply a sanitized way of saying white? So I retweeted him and answered,

00:16:54.200 honestly, this has been my public position again and again. I said, yes, I have publicly said this

00:16:59.340 countless times despite being mocked even by those to my right. Clarence Thomas, Supreme Court

00:17:04.940 Justice, is a heritage American. I support his right to vote and hold office. And you, Joel

00:17:11.540 Richardson, are a slanderous Zionist. Okay, so there's my answer. All right, now let's go to the

00:17:17.640 next thing, right? Because it gets better for the last two days now, not just one clip, but another

00:17:22.700 one, right? The culprit this time is an account titled, Unsupervised Women Tweeting, right? So

00:17:29.280 you know it's going to be garbage. Unsupervised Women Tweeting. I assume that this is a single, 1.00

00:17:34.400 you know, wine-drinking cat lady, but if she does have a husband, shame on that man. Please 1.00

00:17:39.800 take away your wife's phone. She says this, Joel Webbins planned to humanely remove Jews from

00:17:46.080 America by pressuring them to self-deport through religious oppression and laws designed to target

00:17:52.060 Joel's favorite anti-Semitic stereotypes. And then she plays, shares this clip from one of our

00:17:58.600 podcasts. And of course, James Lindsay retweets her. He couldn't help himself. This is the renowned

00:18:03.820 atheist who spent his young adult years for about a decade with a new atheist movement trying to

00:18:09.520 destroy Christianity. And yet we have Christian pastors who are supporting him publicly. Okay,

00:18:16.080 But James Lindsay picks it up and says, never again is now, right?

00:18:20.800 Joel is Hitler.

00:18:21.660 Never again is now.

00:18:23.080 Well, let's go ahead and see the clip that they're both so worried about.

00:18:26.700 Here we go.

00:18:27.020 What I'm making is I want to see Jews believe in Jesus and be saved, okay?

00:18:31.840 But I also want them to stop being a problem here.

00:18:34.520 And I'm trying to make an argument for how this can be done humanely.

00:18:40.180 Like one way is, hey, you can't have dual citizenship anymore, Ben Shapiro.

00:18:44.100 you have to choose right what do you think ben shapiro is going to choose and you don't even

00:18:47.940 have to necessarily like kick people out but just say full participating citizens citizens who vote

00:18:52.580 citizens who hold office cannot hold citizenship in any other country correct that doesn't mean

00:18:57.380 to say if you have a home here oh kick it to the curb no we're not yeah we're not saying that you're

00:19:01.700 going to hold that dual citizenship you don't but then you but then you are forfeiting your

00:19:05.460 citizenship here so you can still you can still live here obeying the laws of the land but you're

00:19:10.660 you're no longer you no longer have full citizenship you're not able to vote you're

00:19:13.780 not able to hold office so so there that that's a citizenship piece uh another piece would be um

00:19:20.020 banning making it illegal um for there to be any kind of pornography right that will affect all

00:19:25.780 people but it will affect different peoples disproportionately and it will affect jews more

00:19:31.620 yep jews are disproportionately involved not all jews but disproportionately involved in pornography

00:19:36.900 so ban pornography um another ban exorbitant forms of usury loan sharks things that prey

00:19:43.940 on the poor right so i'm not talking about you know three percent interest um for a mortgage

00:19:50.500 to own a physical asset to get a home because you can't save up you know in cash to be able

00:19:55.940 to drop 300 grand and buy a house but um but i'm talking about you know uh interest paying interest

00:20:03.220 on burritos i'm talking about you know um the person the poorest of the poor who has to go and

00:20:08.580 get an early paycheck right right and then has to pay interest on that and just dig a deeper and

00:20:13.540 deeper hole and is never able to get out of it so exorbitant wicked forms of usury again jews are

00:20:21.540 not all jews but jews are disproportionately involved in that practice that would affect

00:20:26.900 them disproportionately so pornography usury dual citizenship um and then uh no i do not believe

00:20:34.180 there should be any public expressions of of religion and worship public expressions of worship

00:20:41.940 to false gods false religions in these united states so i'm not talking about uh like minority

00:20:49.180 report with tom cruise you know where you're trying to predict crimes and you're entering in

00:20:53.620 breaking down the door and entering into somebody's private home

00:20:56.640 and rounding them up.

00:20:57.580 I'm not talking about that.

00:20:59.040 What I am talking about, though, is, no,

00:21:01.760 I do not believe that we should have mosques.

00:21:04.780 I do not believe that we should have synagogues.

00:21:07.400 I do not believe that we should have, certainly not,

00:21:09.860 these 90-foot-tall demon statues outside of Houston.

00:21:15.440 They have one.

00:21:17.560 No, there should not be public expressions of false worships.

00:21:24.440 So true. Well said, Joel. Thanks, Joel. Agree with it 100%. Yeah, ban pornography. Pornography

00:21:32.040 should not only be, it is a sin, but biblically speaking, it should also be a crime. It should be

00:21:37.540 a crime. It should be banned, and there should be a penalty. In addition to that, banning exorbitant

00:21:42.880 forms of usury, right? Financing burritos. Gen Z, it is virtually impossible for an entire

00:21:49.600 generation of Americans to ever own a home. That's wicked. That's absolutely wicked. So yes,

00:21:57.500 ban exorbitant forms of usury, ban pornography. I've already stated it in my criteria for voting.

00:22:03.660 Yes, if you're a dual citizen, if you're a dual citizen, you shouldn't vote in America. You should

00:22:09.640 have to relinquish citizenship in that other country of origin and only have citizenship

00:22:15.400 in America if you're going to have full voting citizenship. Absolutely. And then in terms of

00:22:21.580 public displays of idolatry. Guys, that's what it is, right? We need to be honest as Christians

00:22:28.220 and call it what it is. If it's Islam, they worship a false god. It is idolatry. If it's

00:22:35.960 Judaism, they worship a false god. It is idolatry. If it's Hinduism, they worship a false god. It is

00:22:41.680 idolatry. And to think, God bless America, as we raise altars in our nation to false gods and

00:22:50.980 blaspheme Christ and think that God's going to bless us? No. No. Well, religious freedom.

00:22:58.860 Religious freedom is idolatry. I'll say it again. Religious freedom is wrong. It's not just wrong.

00:23:07.680 It's not just less than ideal or unstrategic.

00:23:10.880 Religious freedom is heinous.

00:23:13.360 It's wicked.

00:23:14.240 God hates it.

00:23:15.820 It is idolatry.

00:23:17.580 No, we should not allow public expressions of idolatry, right?

00:23:21.660 You're not going into people's private homes and rounding up Muslims who are praying in

00:23:25.880 their basement.

00:23:26.940 That's not what I'm talking about.

00:23:28.240 But exalting statues in America to false gods.

00:23:33.100 No, the statue should be torn down, ground into pieces, and flushed down the toilet.

00:23:39.540 But maybe not, because there's already enough birth control that's been flushed down the

00:23:42.440 toilet, and it's turning the frogs gay and a decent amount of the men.

00:23:46.380 Okay, so maybe not the toilet part. 0.99

00:23:47.860 But yeah, those statues should be ground to dust.

00:23:50.840 Well, what about a mosque?

00:23:52.060 What about a synagogue?

00:23:53.120 No.

00:23:54.620 No public expressions of worship to idols, to false gods.

00:24:00.600 And so if we did this, here was my whole point.

00:24:02.760 My point was, you're not rounding people up. You're not putting them on trains. You're not

00:24:08.920 putting them in camps. No, you're simply enacting Christian policies. But once again, just like my

00:24:16.600 criteria for voting, it would disproportionately affect black people more than white people. That's

00:24:21.040 true. Well, likewise, these policies would disproportionately cause Jews to want to

00:24:27.680 self-deport more than other people groups. Okay. But it's based on merit. It's based on scripture.

00:24:36.320 It's based on what's inherently moral, right? I don't know what to tell you about this.

00:24:42.280 So no, I'm not going to apologize. I'm going to just keep saying it, and I'll probably add a few

00:24:47.620 more sins to the list as we continue. But people were picking this up. James Lindsay, never again.

00:24:53.620 never again i can't believe it i can't believe it this is weinmar germany yeah well you know what

00:24:59.580 the nazis drank water and i drink water too you know there were some good policies do i agree

00:25:06.860 with everything no but but no i'm not going to throw the baby out with the bath water there were

00:25:13.820 some policies where if a woman had had with each child she had 25 of her property taxes were cut 1.00

00:25:20.660 off. If she had four children, no property taxes for life. If a woman had, I believe it was either 1.00

00:25:25.700 six or eight children, they'd throw a public parade in her honor and crown her with a wreath 1.00

00:25:32.140 around her neck. Yeah, those are inherently good things. To give a benefit, a tangible benefit

00:25:39.580 to motherhood and to families who are raising children, to honor mothers publicly. Yeah,

00:25:46.100 that's a good thing. Okay, so if there is something that happened in Weimar Germany

00:25:50.940 that is inherently good, to say never again, right, because of Weimar Germany, because they

00:25:57.020 burned pornography books, then we can't ban pornography? No, let God be true and every man

00:26:04.100 a liar. If they did that, and they did, and it was right, then we should do it too. And whatever

00:26:10.440 they did, here's a crazy position, guys. My position, Joel Webin, I'm going to say it publicly,

00:26:15.140 Oh my goodness. This is going to be crazy. It's going to be bold. Joel Webin publicly supports

00:26:20.720 anything that the Nazis did that was according to God's word. And Joel Webin disagrees and condemns

00:26:27.620 anything that the Nazis may or may not have done that disagrees and goes against God's word.

00:26:34.260 That's my position. I actually hold that position also for Stalin and for Mao and for anybody else,

00:26:42.000 anyone on the planet. I agree with everyone on the planet throughout all of human history

00:26:46.960 insofar as their words or actions in that moment lined up with the Word of God. And I disagree

00:26:53.980 with anyone throughout human history on the planet who said something or did something that

00:26:58.600 contradicts the Word of God. Never again grow up, James Lindsay. No, we will do again and again and

00:27:09.400 again, whatever God's Word requires us to do. And if it disproportionately affects one group of people

00:27:15.880 more than another group of people, so be it. If this would, and I believe it would, I do believe

00:27:21.980 it would cause Jews to self-deport from America at a higher rate than other people, because Jews

00:27:28.880 are disproportionately involved in pornography. They are disproportionately involved in usury.

00:27:34.300 But that's not my fault. Those things are wrong. And it leaves open the option. Here's another

00:27:41.560 option. Jews could stop. They could stop doing those things. Here's an even better option.

00:27:48.980 They could repent of their sins and believe upon the Lord Jesus Christ and stop blaspheming him.

00:27:55.520 There's an option. Or they could self-deport. There was nothing wrong with that position.

00:28:03.180 So, Wasson Watch, who is an absolute Zionist shill, and it's really sad to see him crash out

00:28:10.760 over the past couple of months now. He retweeted James Lindsay and these guys who are doing this

00:28:16.460 clip, and he says, being more moderate, moderately wrong, is still wrong. So, he even has to

00:28:21.940 acknowledge, yeah, Joel's position actually isn't that extreme. It is more moderate.

00:28:26.800 But he says, being more moderately wrong is still wrong. And when it comes to something as

00:28:31.760 insidious as this, my clip, that clip you just watched from me, then it's egregious. So he's

00:28:38.760 saying that clip, banning pornography, banning exorbitant forms of usury, not allowing dual

00:28:44.620 citizens to vote in our elections, and banning idolatry, public forms of idolatry. And this is

00:28:51.380 an abolitionist for the record, allegedly. This is a guy who has been an outspoken Christian

00:28:57.840 who has sought for social and political reform, ending abortion, and yet he, I say, yeah, we

00:29:06.840 should stop public expressions of idolatry. Whether it be a synagogue or a mosque, we should

00:29:12.820 stop it. And he's saying this is insidious and egregious. So I retweeted him and simply asked,

00:29:20.740 what part of this was insidious? Was it banning pornography? Was it banning exorbitant forms of

00:29:26.560 abusery, banning public displays of false worship and idolatry? Or was it allowing dual citizenship

00:29:33.080 individuals to live here peacefully but requiring single allegiance to America for voting and

00:29:40.000 holding public office? None of these positions are insidious. Many of these positions are

00:29:45.300 historic Christian policies. Friend, you are supposed to be a Christian. You can and should

00:29:51.280 love Jews, that is, desiring their repentance and salvation. But it's posts like this that

00:29:58.300 clearly convey your highest allegiance is to Jews, not Christ. And there you have it.

00:30:05.720 I believe that's all we've got on deck. Correct, Nathan? Oh, no, we have one more. One more. So

00:30:12.780 then people said, okay, well, yeah, I guess your policy is a banning usury and banning pornography

00:30:18.380 and these kinds of things on the merit of the actual policies, I guess that's not anti-Semitic.

00:30:23.760 I guess that's not actually hateful. I guess it's not insidious. But what is insidious is the fact

00:30:28.320 that you think that it would affect Jews more than other people. So then I tweeted this out.

00:30:32.980 Joel's proposal, quoting my opponents, Joel's proposal for banning pornography and usury

00:30:38.380 isn't a problem. It's the fact that he thinks Jews are disproportionately involved in these

00:30:43.120 practices. And then I said, man, you guys are going to be furious when you hear what this renowned

00:30:49.300 anti-Semite has to say. Who is the renowned anti-Semite? Well, it's the Jewish man named

00:30:56.100 Dennis Prager. Take a listen. Every ism except the Nazism was founded and or led disproportionately

00:31:05.600 by Jews. You name it. Marxism, humanism, socialism, environmentalism, feminism, Jews. It's Jews.

00:31:17.660 Yep, and I would add to that communism and also transgenderism. Dennis Prager agrees with me.

00:31:26.580 So yes, it would disproportionately affect Jews because Jews, not all, but disproportionately so

00:31:33.780 have been involved in multiple atrocities throughout history. Terrible ideology,

00:31:41.740 liberalism, transgenderism, socialism, communism, humanism, Marxism. Yeah, it's a problem. So the

00:31:52.540 policy should be cut it out, and if not, leave. Not crazy, not insidious, not egregious, Christian,

00:32:03.780 Christ is king. Christ is king. And I will not apologize. I will say it again and again and

00:32:12.640 again. And all the haters and all the opposition, you can cope and seethe. Tune in now.

00:32:19.120 sometimes you just got to get that quick 45 minute cold open just slip it in yeah i think

00:32:35.840 it was like 30 minutes uh thanks for hanging with us there was just there was a lot to cover yes

00:32:40.040 part of it was covering my positions but part of it was the sequence of events that have unfolded

00:32:44.100 in the providence of god over the last 24 to 48 hours with this person tweeting and this video

00:32:49.020 going viral and then this other one going viral and james lindsey enters the fray and unsupervised

00:32:53.840 women tweeting uh wasson watch um uh when is he gonna move to israel you know what i mean i just

00:33:00.940 feel like just be honest just just move to israel there's probably gonna be some land in gaza pretty

00:33:05.160 soon wide open you know what there will be new building yeah yeah new construction i hear now i

00:33:10.920 hear that the uh it won't be that fertile though because i hear that the soil is just uh made of

00:33:15.620 glass yeah yeah so i glass rubble yeah they'll have great yeah i know the interest rates would

00:33:21.320 be terrible um anyways so yeah there was just a lot going on and the reason why i wanted to cover

00:33:25.900 all this and i'm going to turn it to wes and antonio to see what they think but um i wanted

00:33:30.200 to cover all of it because here's the deal um there's been multiple times where you know somebody

00:33:35.400 clips me out takes me out of context i go viral and believe it or not i know that you know the

00:33:41.080 haters will, uh, obviously think that, uh, this is untrue, but it is true. Um, a lot of times we

00:33:46.820 don't respond. We just move on with the next episode. This thing happens, you know, this

00:33:50.680 controversy, this, you know, scandal, this, whatever. And we just move on and we just move

00:33:55.800 on and we just move on. Uh, but this is what I'm realizing is, um, as, as I'm even getting counsel

00:34:01.360 from friends and family and people who are close, uh, solid believers that I trust that Joel, you

00:34:06.280 need to lean in um you need to lean in uh you're right we know you're right you know you're right

00:34:12.340 most importantly your conscience is clear before the lord and uh you need to lean in every single

00:34:17.860 one of these other people you know who you know doing doing a podcast or something like that

00:34:21.760 they like if somebody says something about them that's the next episode for like the you know the

00:34:26.900 next four weeks you know straight whether it be candace owens or whether it be uh whether it be

00:34:33.140 um what what's his name um uh jason whitlock you know dennis prager yeah or or whether it be even

00:34:40.740 doug wilson you know so like doug wilson will and doug wilson it's not just oh well that's cnn

00:34:45.240 that's a really big deal doug wilson will have like um somebody from the white horse inn or

00:34:50.420 somebody at um at a westminster escondido like at like a like a adjunct you know um professor who

00:35:00.360 35 hours a week is serving as a custodian and then teaches one class will write a blog read by

00:35:09.380 three people and say something. And Doug Wilson will respond. He'll do a whole episode. But here's

00:35:14.500 my response. And I'm not saying it's a bad thing, but I'm just saying like Doug Wilson for years

00:35:18.540 has had, here's my controversy page, right? Because people will just regurgitate the same

00:35:23.520 controversies. Well, did you hear that blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

00:35:27.340 so he has literally like an archive um and and it's pretty much i think it's gotten to that point

00:35:32.520 and probably got to that point like like two or three years ago for me you know but at this point

00:35:37.160 it's like okay it's the the people who have been following and who appreciate this ministry they

00:35:43.380 they know right they're fine and the people who hate me are going to keep hating me no matter what

00:35:47.980 i say but the reality that i'm coming to is like some of these clips that went viral the last

00:35:52.940 couple of days have like close to half a million views. And what I'm realizing is it's not just

00:35:57.380 haters and fans or haters and friends. There is a half a million other people outside of those

00:36:05.520 two categories that are third parties standing on the sidelines and neutral. They're not really

00:36:12.460 predisposed either way. And if I just responded or clarified or whatever, there's a lot of people

00:36:21.360 who might be won over so that's what everybody does everybody who you know is a public figure

00:36:26.060 of any degree whatsoever they respond and so i'm i'm going to start leaning in on some things and

00:36:32.140 i'm going to hope that god blesses it for those of you guys who've been following along the whole

00:36:36.520 time i understand you'll be like ah we already knew this yeah but a lot of people don't i mean

00:36:42.160 candace owens how many episodes has she done about uh what's his name bridget oh you see what i did

00:36:48.660 what's his name um i don't know i don't know if the dude's a dude or if the dude's a girl

00:36:54.520 i don't really care that much uh but the point is candace owens said something boom they fired back

00:37:01.020 and that's been like half of her show candace owens is like if if you look at her her show

00:37:06.300 over the last three months it's 80 uh arguing back and forth with the you know the latest tweet from

00:37:12.420 uh the the french embassy you know whatever like it's responding to that or uh the latest uh

00:37:19.000 development in her her drama with nick fuentes and then about 10 it's like 40 there's 50 that

00:37:25.980 and then 10 might might be a new story it might actually oh we're actually going to do a real

00:37:32.220 episode today about something that's going on um and that's just that's what she does and it's not

00:37:37.060 just candace owens it is a lot of people in media steven crowder this person that person like

00:37:42.260 it's pretty common matt walsh i like matt walsh i'm not i'm not hating on him but matt walsh

00:37:47.160 be like here's the news here's the news but then he'll have half of his episode on a regular basis

00:37:51.460 or a third of his episode a major segment being i'm responding to so and so who levied this

00:37:57.740 accusation against me or you know blah blah blah so i'm going to start leaning in here's the deal

00:38:01.960 though i need one one big favor for you first and foremost um please pray we need you we covet your

00:38:09.140 prayers. Please pray for us that God would keep us, he would sustain us, he would protect us,

00:38:14.060 and that he would continue to provide me with courage. Secondly, I don't want, if I can help

00:38:20.360 it, and I can't, not right now, but I would like to get to the place, me and Wes were talking about

00:38:25.520 it, me and Antonio, our goal is to get to the place where we don't have to do any advertisements.

00:38:30.860 We would like to be fully listener supported. And I get people who email me all the time,

00:38:36.200 messaging me, DMing me, texting me, calling me, saying, I'm with you, brother. Keep up the fight.

00:38:45.200 Stay bold. You're one of the only Protestants who is not a Zionist sellout. You're one of the only

00:38:53.900 guys who knows what time it is and who has courage. There's some Catholics doing it,

00:38:59.800 some Eastern Orthodox, but like Protestants, I'm a Protestant and you're the only guy I see

00:39:04.800 in the public sphere saying some of these things. So keep going, keep going, keep going. And this

00:39:09.380 is my humble request. I'm not trying to guilt anybody. I'm not. It is simply a request. We need

00:39:17.180 your support. We need your prayers, first and foremost, but we also need your generosity.

00:39:23.360 We need your financial support. I promise you, by God's grace, I will not quit. And I've heard

00:39:32.160 people say, you know, the only way they can take you out is if you quit. That's technically not

00:39:36.040 true. There are two ways I can be taken out. One is I finally just get sick of it and my family

00:39:43.000 can't bear the pressure anymore. Too many death threats, too much drama, too much pressure.

00:39:49.420 So one way is quitting. The second way though is I can't pay my team.

00:39:54.620 i these guys have they have to feed their family i people think i'm a mastermind you know with

00:40:02.680 social media behind the scenes you know coordinating with this and that i i i don't even

00:40:07.400 know i i don't even know how to run my own twitter account i'm barely functioning at that level if i

00:40:14.640 don't have nathan over there in the corner doing all the the cameras and the tech and this and that

00:40:20.240 like, then we're done. We're done. Part of the reason why we go viral, part of the reason why

00:40:25.620 everybody copes and sees and they're upset is because they view us as a threat. There are other

00:40:29.560 people who say the kinds of things that we say that they don't feel threatened by nearly as much

00:40:33.840 as us. And part of the reason is because we strive for excellence in our production. Part of the

00:40:39.280 reason there's a sense of us being a threat is because there's a certain validity, a certain

00:40:46.900 integrity that comes with high production value. The fact that I'm not simply sitting in a blank

00:40:57.400 room with a webcam. We've gone above and beyond to maintain excellence in production, but that

00:41:05.200 costs money. To be able to do what we do, we have a full team of five people that are dependent.

00:41:12.740 And so I promise you, by the grace of God, as God is my witness, I will not quit. I will not

00:41:20.640 give up the fight if you help to keep me in the fight. If enough people, and it doesn't even take

00:41:27.900 that many, but if enough people say, you know what, that's it. I've been encouraged by Joel

00:41:32.340 for long enough, and I'm going to put my money where my mouth is, and I'm going to monthly

00:41:36.340 support him. I'm going to monthly support Right Response Ministries. If enough people do that

00:41:42.320 and say, I'm going to give $20 a month, I'm going to give $50 a month, I'm going to give $100 a

00:41:47.720 month, and just enough people get together and do that, then what that accomplishes, it's very

00:41:56.060 simple. We become bulletproof. We become bulletproof. We become invincible. We cannot

00:42:03.080 be taken out. And here's the thing. There are hundreds, if not thousands of people who are

00:42:08.380 trying to take us out. You see it. You see it online. You see this story, this story, this story,

00:42:14.140 this story, this post, this post, this post. It is an immense amount of pressure that we have been

00:42:18.800 under, that I have been under, an immense amount of pressure. The amount of death threats,

00:42:24.940 and they don't just put pressure on me

00:42:27.560 because they know I won't fold

00:42:28.660 so what they do is they put pressure on people who are close to me

00:42:31.160 so like well you know

00:42:33.460 we can't stop him so we'll go after

00:42:35.420 members in his church

00:42:36.320 because then they'll leave his church

00:42:39.020 they'll get to the point where you know it's too hot

00:42:41.300 in the kitchen they just enough is enough

00:42:43.280 and they leave the church and they stop tithing

00:42:45.120 and that'll shut him down

00:42:46.580 he'll be financially destitute

00:42:48.440 they're trying to crush us financially

00:42:50.940 that's what they're trying to do

00:42:52.460 they're trying to crush us financially

00:42:54.880 because at the end of the day,

00:42:56.400 this is in the mind of our opponents.

00:42:58.060 This is what they're thinking.

00:42:58.840 We cannot have a Protestant pastor

00:43:01.640 because he's not just a Christian.

00:43:04.040 He's a pastor.

00:43:04.780 He's a minister.

00:43:06.300 And he's Protestant.

00:43:07.880 And he has high level production.

00:43:10.500 And he's speaking about these things.

00:43:13.660 Shut it down.

00:43:15.100 We've got to shut them down.

00:43:16.600 And what I'm telling you is that

00:43:17.580 if you really believe in what we're doing,

00:43:20.020 I appreciate all the encouragement.

00:43:22.540 I appreciate you writing in.

00:43:23.920 It means the world. But if you can, if you can't, you can't. I'm not going to give you grief. But if

00:43:30.860 you can financially afford it, if enough of you would get together and say, our job is we're

00:43:39.140 going to make sure that Joel is bulletproof. We're going to be right response top guys. And we're

00:43:46.040 going to keep them in the fight so that his enemies, despite all their attempts, cannot take

00:43:51.640 come out, then we become invincible. And it's not just that we get to continue what we're doing now.

00:43:57.220 We have massive plans. Big, big things are in the works. We are having conversations behind the

00:44:04.420 scenes. The whiteboards are out, right? The numbers are being crunched. The strategy is

00:44:10.980 happening. Massive plans. And you will see them unfold in short order. But people, I think our

00:44:19.380 opponents know that and they are trying to ultimately they're trying to extinguish the

00:44:24.680 flame before we can get there um and right now it feels like there is a window i don't want to give

00:44:31.500 my opponents too much credit but it feels like there is a window of opportunity where they could

00:44:36.680 crush me and uh and you guys if you're able to and willing you could help sustain me you could

00:44:45.500 that's your choice it's between you and the lord but that's my humble request would you be a right

00:44:52.840 response ministries top guy would you keep us in the fray would you be a shield for us would you

00:44:59.220 make us bulletproof to where our enemies cannot stop us so that i can remain as one of the very

00:45:04.540 few protestant pastoral voices addressing these issues in a time in our nation in our culture

00:45:12.180 where it is desperately needed and from the bottom of my heart i thank you for considering

00:45:18.960 that prayerfully all right guys what do you think about the recent drama all the controversy any

00:45:25.860 thoughts you just come out no thoughts whatsoever i want to start with voting it is a lot of this

00:45:32.940 is wrapped up in the post-war consensus we've talked about a lot but man there's something

00:45:36.760 about voting and saying eh maybe these people shouldn't vote or eh we don't think this is the

00:45:40.940 best use that man it gets people riled up like compare rome and greece for instance strict

00:45:45.840 requirements on voting like one of the biggest things about joel i think i could say about

00:45:49.940 everything you said it's reasonable i'm sure of everyone listening we've got almost 800 people

00:45:55.300 on the line i'm sure you ask all those 800 people and you'll get 800 different opinions

00:45:59.700 on exactly what flavor they would have maybe some of them would prefer a monarchy some would have

00:46:04.300 a bigger democracy a smaller democracy but i think what you can say about your position is that

00:46:08.220 this is reasonable and is not historically unprecedented. For hundreds of years in the

00:46:14.620 West, hey, if you're going to participate in politics and civic life, the bar is this high

00:46:19.380 to ride. That is just not unprecedented. You are not the first person to come along and say,

00:46:23.720 hey, the health and wealth of our republic as it is now depends on smart, competent men that have

00:46:30.020 the time for politics participating in it. That is not the craziest idea whatsoever. It only

00:46:35.520 becomes a crazy idea when people's greatest commitment is to principles of liberalism

00:46:39.700 and of democracy and of universal participation that's when you start getting clutching the

00:46:45.740 pearls right and again you may disagree but what you have to say about his position is like

00:46:49.760 that's reasonable there's historical precedent to it and there's nothing in the bible that requires

00:46:54.560 x y and z people to get to vote there just isn't the bible at a general level is silent on who

00:47:00.540 participates and who doesn't so i that's one of the first thoughts i had it's a good thought yeah

00:47:05.060 in the middle. And I think, I very strongly believe that all men have an obligation,

00:47:20.940 not just the right, but the obligation to defend their character on biblical grounds.

00:47:25.180 So that's the first point. But then you also further have an obligation to,

00:47:29.120 to the extent that you can to clarify. And as particular, I'm thinking for, you know,

00:47:35.400 all of the people who are like, oh, what's going on exactly? I'm trying to make sense of these

00:47:38.800 things. You should clarify and you know, what your position is and the way that it is reasoned

00:47:44.280 as Wes indicated for their sake. And I think these things are helpful. So I think it's right

00:47:49.780 that we're doing that on the point of voting specifically. I agree. There's as I was, I look

00:47:55.600 into american history particularly because you don't have to go back to the ancients to understand

00:48:00.280 that universal suffrage is a really modern idea even in the you know the colonial period in

00:48:05.360 america um you see um this idea of voting being a moral trust and it's tied to virtue it's no

00:48:13.660 different than uh the any company that you know someone watching would work at do they vote do

00:48:18.920 they control the day-to-day operations no someone who was qualified who's been at the company

00:48:24.020 presumably for many, many more years than them, who owns the company outright, so has some skin

00:48:29.100 in the game, some financial stake. They're the people making the decisions. So this idea that

00:48:33.820 voting is a natural right is very, very new. And you can see this happen somewhere from my

00:48:39.380 assessment, somewhere in the mid-19th century here in America. And I agree, Wes, you're totally

00:48:44.800 right. This has become sort of the bedrock of liberalism, is that all people are equal in

00:48:50.680 every way. But here's the reality. This is what the Bible says. This is biblical anthropology.

00:48:54.940 Equal in value does not mean equal in authority, right? That's right. That's husband and wife,

00:49:01.740 right? Co-heir in grace, right? The same text that says, you know, live with your wives in

00:49:07.300 an understanding manner, recognizing that she too is a co-heir in grace, meaning that

00:49:12.640 in the ultimate eternal sense, there's an equal weight, equal dignity, equal value.

00:49:17.580 but right before it says husbands live with your wives in an understanding manner knowing that she

00:49:24.440 is the weaker vessel so on the one hand in a temporal sense she's weaker objectively and

00:49:31.180 that's not just speaking to the physical but then on the other hand she is an equal so like

00:49:37.540 a lot of you know conservative protestants you know allegedly conservative whatever that means

00:49:43.000 biblically conservative protestants would say oh you know we're not egalitarian like we understand

00:49:48.380 that the husband is the authority and and so then you can just you know snap back and say

00:49:53.280 yeah so the the wife is um her her eternal spiritual value is inferior to his correct

00:50:00.380 they'd be like no no no it's like uh-huh yeah all right now let's piece it together let's just go a

00:50:06.800 little bit further right like like apply that nationally now right so so the idea that well

00:50:12.480 this person has a say, and this person doesn't, does not mean that those people aren't still both

00:50:18.580 image bearers of the living God. But that's not where voting comes from. I kept seeing that over

00:50:23.480 the last couple of days, people saying, well, women bear the image of God just like men. Yeah.

00:50:29.140 So does a five-year-old, but five-year-olds don't get to vote.

00:50:33.140 So are we going to say, well, children don't get to vote because they don't have God's image.

00:50:36.920 like make me that argument you can't children have the image of god just like adults and yet

00:50:45.320 we're perfectly fine recognizing yeah but they don't get a say in the country they shouldn't

00:50:50.100 it's not crazy yeah i mean people are submitting to authority all the time on the basis of

00:50:55.940 qualification if i go out i get pulled over i'm gonna pull i see a cop i'm gonna say i'm gonna

00:51:00.500 pull over this guy has authority over me in this context why because he's qualified he's trained

00:51:05.220 than the law he has been appointed uh duly appointed to to have this authority so on and

00:51:11.320 so forth so i mean you know the same people are saying this about voting are going to disneyland

00:51:15.700 and they're getting stopped by you know park officials and hey go this way and they're like

00:51:19.200 okay i'll go that way so like we this concept of authority is is so so deeply rooted in people's

00:51:26.180 conscious you know it's it truly it's it's uh it's kind of mind-boggling that rationally you

00:51:33.100 can't apply that most people can't apply that to governing a nation of all things and think of

00:51:38.960 inventing it almost as a sin like this person is in sin because they would say this about people

00:51:44.460 voting or not i don't see that anywhere in the bible you're literally going in you said well

00:51:48.240 there's god's law and you know he did a good job they left out one critical piece universal suffrage

00:51:53.260 and people who violate this unspoken like literally it's accusing them of sin that's legalism i'm

00:51:58.180 gonna got we've got god's standard but did he forget to account for 21st century liberal politics

00:52:03.300 and they will literally add that and they will call for people who publicly say eh we should

00:52:08.300 restrict it we should do it democracy entirely they'll call their pastor they'll call them out

00:52:12.580 and say you should be kicked out of the church you should be put under church discipline to you

00:52:16.720 joel you're not qualified to be a pastor literally over opinions on voting that's right it's

00:52:22.380 incredible it's mind-blowing no you're absolutely right it really is crazy um and that's why like

00:52:28.100 i i try to be careful with you know there are people who go further than i do um there are

00:52:33.220 people to my right i'm not believe it or not i am not even close not only am i not the furthest

00:52:38.220 right person that you will encounter i'm not even close i i'm telling you a day is quickly

00:52:44.220 approaching where people are gonna be like my goodness give us joel levin back that guy was a

00:52:49.260 moderate um there are people way way to my right but even with those individuals um i always try

00:52:56.940 to be very intentional and not anathematizing someone over extra biblical criteria. So if

00:53:03.900 somebody says, well, I think that America should only be white. Well, I don't. I think it should

00:53:11.700 be majority white because that is the founding stock of the country. And the only way I see that

00:53:16.100 ultimately being uprooted, especially as quickly as it has been as of late, is through artificial

00:53:21.940 manipulative means that I think are truly just hatred towards white people. So I think that's

00:53:26.160 wicked trying to um intentionally when leaders and elites are intentionally trying to eradicate

00:53:31.600 uh the founding stock of a nation i actually think that's immoral when you um but but in terms of just

00:53:37.460 like in principle no matter what you know it could be a thousand years from now no matter what

00:53:41.020 happens america needs to be exclusively white um that's not my position i i disagree with that

00:53:46.340 um but if somebody says that that is their position i have to have a biblical reason

00:53:51.840 if i'm going to say um if i'm going to elevate that to the level of condemnation if i'm going

00:53:58.340 to elevate that and say well you're anathematized or you're not a christian um because that's but

00:54:04.160 but that's the rhetoric you hear from people all the time they they would hear that and 90 percent

00:54:08.780 of people would say that's heresy what heresy what do you mean like heresy is a is an actual

00:54:14.800 category heresy means something right heresy is not um just a blank you know slate for your

00:54:22.360 creative license and freedom heresy isn't what you what you make it heresy is determined by the

00:54:28.280 bible's orthodoxy over primary theological issues and then of course they would in typical midwit

00:54:34.340 fashion they would well what about galatians you know like um he he tore down the dividing wall

00:54:39.780 of hostility between Jew and Gentile. Yes, Jews and Gentiles, through faith in Jesus, can both be

00:54:46.540 brothers, spiritual brothers in faith. But Galatians does not say, or there's neither Jew nor Greek.

00:54:54.020 Great. Nowhere in Galatians is it saying, and every country in the world must be diverse ethnically.

00:55:02.640 That's not what Galatians is talking about. It's talking about the global, the universal body of

00:55:08.380 Christ, that the universal body of Christ will have different peoples from every tribe, nation,

00:55:13.620 and language, and that all of them have access to salvation, to eternal life by grace alone,

00:55:20.980 through faith alone, in Jesus Christ alone. Gentiles can be saved. Jews can be saved.

00:55:26.260 Blacks can be saved. Whites can be saved. But there is no verse in the Bible that says,

00:55:30.220 and every nation under heaven has to have every single people group on earth represented in that

00:55:38.660 one nation. There's nothing that says that. So you can disagree with something and have

00:55:43.280 principled arguments of philosophical, political arguments, historic arguments,

00:55:49.660 but to elevate that to a theological category, and especially the degree of heresy,

00:55:56.620 is absolutely insane, but people can't, they can't think. They cannot think. You have to come to

00:56:04.520 terms with the fact that you are a liberal. You are. You are a liberal. It's 2025. This is the

00:56:11.880 West. You're a liberal. You have been propagandized. You have been indoctrinated. You are a liberal,

00:56:18.900 and your liberalism, if you're a Christian, you have to subject your liberalism to your

00:56:23.820 Christianity. If not, it is idolatry. It's idolatry. And the reality is I have found time

00:56:30.200 and time and time again in my interaction, not with pagans, but with Christians, I have found

00:56:35.840 that their strongest allegiance is to liberalism, not Christianity. They will have far more

00:56:43.480 compassion about differing biblical views, whether it be pedo-baptism versus credo-baptism,

00:56:50.160 or being a continuationist versus being a cessationist

00:56:52.880 or this or that or the other,

00:56:54.520 what they will not tolerate

00:56:55.760 when they start to levy the charge of heresy,

00:56:58.400 it actually is nothing to do with Scripture.

00:57:01.120 And it's everything to do with something

00:57:04.240 that falls within the category of 20th century liberalism,

00:57:08.360 repealing the 19th Amendment, heretic.

00:57:10.860 That is insane.

00:57:12.320 That's insane.

00:57:13.600 All right, let's go.

00:57:14.820 Let's do our first commercial break and we'll be right back.

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01:01:06.760 the post-war consensus i feel like it's been a little bit while since we've talked about it

01:01:11.640 i don't know antonio i would love to give it to you 30 seconds like the post-world war ii consensus

01:01:15.920 what is that if someone's just coming into it first time they're hearing us what are we talking

01:01:19.940 about when we say post-war consensus yeah so so when i think of post-war consensus i i think of

01:01:25.460 the set of assumptions that emerged in the mid to late 1940s, not only here in the U.S., but I would

01:01:32.460 say all across the West, set of assumptions were around foreign policy. And with respect to foreign

01:01:39.020 policy, it was motivated by this idea that World War II was incredibly catastrophic. And so we need

01:01:44.680 to be moderate on all grounds, essentially to avoid any particular sparks of violence or

01:01:52.140 chaos so on and so forth so i think that's one of the major assumptions but i think

01:01:56.420 the other major assumption uh that concerns us is a consumption or assumption rather around

01:02:04.420 political moderation and the fundamental beliefs uh that uh people just didn't want to talk about

01:02:10.680 anymore so in other words to avoid chaos to avoid strong disagreement people said let's just agree

01:02:16.820 on these fundamentals and then we'll all we all of our arguments all of our political debates will

01:02:21.600 just simply be about scale. So, hey, let's all agree that we should all pay exorbitantly high

01:02:27.040 taxes. Now, you'll say that it's 80 and I'll say that it's 60, but we agree that we should all pay

01:02:32.000 high taxes. And so some of those assumptions obviously were around egalitarianism. They were

01:02:38.100 around the idea that we're not going to fight over who's in some kind of hierarchy. We're not

01:02:45.600 going to fight over who's more important, who's less important, what religion is more right,

01:02:48.580 which is less right. We're just going to simply assume that they're all right. And we'll proceed

01:02:54.960 from there and we'll try to live together. And so that's what the post-war consensus has become.

01:03:00.240 It's sort of unraveled through time and it's ultimately got us here today. I will say one

01:03:06.800 quick thing, just to caveat the post-war consensus from my perspective, is that I don't want to bind

01:03:12.760 anyone's conscience on a particular reading of history with respect to the post-war consensus.

01:03:17.580 So some people would say, oh, the post-war consensus means that you're a World War II revisionist, right?

01:03:22.360 Or you think you have some particular reading of World War II, and that's what post-war consensus is.

01:03:27.140 But I actually think that a post-war consensus is what it is irrespective of the cause.

01:03:32.500 So some people would say the Allies won, and that's what led to the post-war consensus.

01:03:36.540 And some would have other reasons, obviously.

01:03:38.740 So I think that's what it is, regardless of what caused it.

01:03:43.040 And we're extrapolating a bit.

01:03:44.420 The original book that kind of this came out of was called The Return of the Strong Gods.

01:03:48.080 And he deals with the author, R.R. Reno, in a very academic and also in an economic sense,

01:03:53.400 open society, and then in academia, less of this assertiveness about truth.

01:03:57.680 So there are applications that are very high-headed, they're very academic.

01:04:01.420 But then there's also just kind of the practical, like, everything I don't like is Hitler.

01:04:05.480 And where we're going to pay attention to this, and you can see it in James Lindsay,

01:04:08.700 you can see it in those attacking you, Joel, is it comes into the church.

01:04:11.700 so then the church that is supposed to be a spiritual institution she preaches the word

01:04:15.800 she administers sacraments she cares for the souls of its people the postwar consensus comes

01:04:20.480 to the church she being the church she being the church not pastor Sally not the female pastor

01:04:24.820 no that's the church's role but then the postwar consensus comes in and as you were just talking

01:04:29.760 about we're talking about before the break and about to illustrate that comes in and these

01:04:33.440 literally become articles of faith so now you have to hold to as you said Antonio views of hey

01:04:39.060 democracy is a good thing hey people caring for itself is a bad thing we can't do this

01:04:43.800 because 80 years ago a guy named hitler loved his people this is what happened let me illustrate

01:04:49.920 literally this in progress this is happening in progress wasn't this kind of in response to me

01:04:55.560 i think it was i don't know if it was directly it was one of the clips i think the one that

01:05:01.300 like james lindsey yep retweeted where i was saying this this is what i think should be done

01:05:06.780 and how I think it would affect Jews.

01:05:09.720 The clip that we showed in the cold open where I said,

01:05:12.220 yeah, you ban pornography, you ban usury, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

01:05:15.180 I think it's in response to that.

01:05:16.720 So this is an individual, the Jolly Brawler, as you'll know him,

01:05:21.100 some of you are probably familiar with him on X.

01:05:22.780 By all accounts of people that have known him,

01:05:24.660 hardworking man, faithful husband, father,

01:05:27.100 came to Christ about 10 years ago, attends a Reformed church,

01:05:30.500 is in good standing.

01:05:31.240 He is a man of good character, of Christian character,

01:05:33.900 that by all accounts, we don't know him personally.

01:05:36.320 believes in the Lord Jesus Christ

01:05:38.940 confesses the historic Christian faith

01:05:40.620 and he said this, this is very not

01:05:42.540 post-port consensus friendly

01:05:43.880 he said he's okay with calling it deportation

01:05:46.440 so this is relating to you Joel

01:05:48.000 so hey, we're going to deport

01:05:49.320 banning Judaism and deporting its adherents who refuse

01:05:52.280 to stop blaspheming Christ is only one part of it

01:05:54.500 but I think it would be a good first step

01:05:56.160 and then he says this, he says after this

01:05:58.080 I will go after secular Jews

01:05:59.880 if they do not deport or cease from practicing

01:06:02.060 so they won't get the heck out of Dodge

01:06:05.360 the next step would be for the government to use some sort of force,

01:06:07.720 just like with any other lawbreaking.

01:06:09.480 This would be the U.S. as we deport people even now,

01:06:11.940 back to Mexico, back to El Salvador.

01:06:14.360 And so that's his view, and that's what he came out and said.

01:06:17.620 And for one, people put public pressure on his pastor.

01:06:21.560 So you can see publicly people saying,

01:06:23.660 I'm going to call his church.

01:06:24.720 I'm going to call his pastor.

01:06:26.380 I'm going to call his session.

01:06:27.860 I'm going to do my best to make sure this man

01:06:29.880 is literally kicked out of his church.

01:06:32.740 Now, forgive me if I'm reading that.

01:06:34.400 And I don't think all of us would necessarily agree with every part of it.

01:06:37.420 But I don't know that I saw anything in there that violated Christian ethical norms.

01:06:41.860 That a nation could say, well, we think these people have been, they've not had a good influence.

01:06:46.980 And we're going to ask them to leave.

01:06:48.540 If they don't leave, we're going to ask a little bit more forcefully.

01:06:52.560 There's nothing in that that I see as inherently.

01:06:55.020 It could be gone about immorally, sure.

01:06:57.240 But nothing inherently in it that strictly, I don't think, violates anything biblical.

01:07:03.560 Right.

01:07:04.320 People are calling his pastor, calling his session, trying to get him removed from it.

01:07:08.760 And I want you to listen to this post-war consensus.

01:07:10.960 This is the framing, right?

01:07:12.180 So this is from the reform community on Reddit.

01:07:14.800 So Reddit, obviously, already kind of a far left place.

01:07:17.980 It's a far left place, so it makes perfect sense that there would be a reform community.

01:07:22.240 I was about to say, but this is the ostensible reform community.

01:07:25.300 And listen to this description.

01:07:26.800 This is from a user called GoSunday, and they're talking about this incident.

01:07:29.960 This is from today, this incident.

01:07:31.960 It's no longer about dealing with that man, referring to Jolly Brawler.

01:07:34.940 Once you let a Nazi into your church, you attend a Nazi church.

01:07:38.500 It sounds like if one of them's in, your church is 2,000 people, it's a Nazi church.

01:07:42.700 And you are in fact no longer a church of God, but a church of Satan.

01:07:45.960 When you uncover a pedophile in your church nursery, the first thing you do is to encourage him to repent.

01:07:50.180 I would hope the same goes for your spiritual children of Christ, because Nazis in your church is an abomination.

01:07:55.940 There is no both sidings of this. I am not overreacting.

01:07:58.660 They already made their choice, most likely to eternal consequences.

01:08:02.340 We know what they have done the last time.

01:08:03.700 We know what they intend to do this time.

01:08:05.360 It is well-documented in history books, in the newspaper today,

01:08:08.420 right now in America in 2025, and it's in the Bible.

01:08:13.260 That's what they leave off with.

01:08:14.560 All of this, it's in the Bible.

01:08:16.320 They're like, you don't even ask first for repentance, right?

01:08:18.720 If you had someone terrible that did something terrible with children,

01:08:21.060 he's in the nursery.

01:08:21.640 If you have a pedophile in the nursery, it's a crime.

01:08:24.860 and it is it is a physical immediate threat and danger to all those other children to place this

01:08:32.800 into the category of pedophilia and and a physical action a crime is absolutely insane you're talking

01:08:40.380 about somebody who holds a view not someone who is committing a crime a criminal action he holds

01:08:46.580 a view and his view has been held by many other christians throughout christian history throughout

01:08:53.060 church history and and there's nothing that he said in that view just for the record i i already

01:08:57.640 told you my view right so he's saying hey i you know i i appreciate joel but i think i'd go a

01:09:02.340 little further okay so he would go further than me um you know my view that's that was the whole

01:09:07.640 cold open of this episode right so i don't feel like i have to say it again um i've said my view

01:09:13.100 but but his view as far as i can interpret it from that tweet is saying um religious jews so

01:09:21.360 he starts with that, religiously practicing Jews who are the implication, they're publicly

01:09:27.040 worshiping a false god, idolatrous. They're committing public idolatry. They would be

01:09:33.960 asked to leave. So first step, ask to leave. Second step, if they refuse, then yes, there would be

01:09:39.660 some kind of legal penalty, some kind of legal penalty. And then he says, after that, I would

01:09:45.500 deal with secular Jews. Again, in a Christian nation, notice he does not say Jews that have

01:09:54.720 converted to Christianity. He's not talking about that, not at all. The obvious implication is if

01:10:01.080 any Jew converts to Christianity, then they're free to remain in a Christian nation. But he's

01:10:06.800 saying, no, religiously practicing Jews who worship another God and are doing so publicly,

01:10:12.460 They would be first asked to leave.

01:10:15.020 Second, there would be penalties

01:10:16.420 if they don't stop the idolatry or choose to leave.

01:10:20.220 And then he says, then I would move on to secular Jews.

01:10:23.080 And I'm assuming that when he says,

01:10:25.240 I would move on to secular Jews,

01:10:27.000 can you pull back up the tweet?

01:10:29.560 I'm assuming that he says, yes,

01:10:31.600 if they do not deport or cease from practicing,

01:10:34.820 the next step would be for the government

01:10:37.180 to use some sort of force,

01:10:38.880 just like with any other law-breaking.

01:10:41.280 notice he mentions law breaking so with secular jews i think this is in reference not just to

01:10:46.460 the fact that they're secular but they the implication is these are secular jews who are

01:10:50.800 committing some kind of law breaking right and in relation to the clip for me i what he's talking

01:10:56.560 about is secular jews who are practicing exorbitant forms of usury or secular jews who are involved

01:11:01.480 in pornography or secular jews who whatever are breaking the law so he's saying so first i'd start

01:11:06.780 with Judaism, those who are blaspheming. Secondly, I would go to those who are secular, so they're

01:11:13.020 not practicing Judaism, they're not publicly worshiping a false god, but they're still secular

01:11:18.900 Jews who are law-breaking. To me, that's the obvious implication. They're doing something

01:11:24.760 that is illegal in this hypothetical America that actually has just laws, that things that

01:11:33.140 should be crimes actually are considered crimes like exorbitant usury and um and promulgating

01:11:38.860 pornography so my my point is um yes he he goes further than i than i go and words it differently

01:11:47.060 than i would word it but where where is where's the heresy right where where is like if you're a

01:11:56.940 pastor and you've got this guy in your church and you're getting phone calls and emails and a

01:12:03.960 pressure campaign okay um maybe you sit down and talk to him and ask for more clarification what

01:12:10.280 do you believe where are you at you know those kinds of things if there's something that you

01:12:14.320 find to be concerning then you say your piece and you counsel him in a direction that you think is

01:12:20.460 advised a direction that you think is moral and virtuous um but that's that's not the response

01:12:26.200 that you're getting from reformed Christians on Reddit.

01:12:30.560 The response that you're getting is his mere presence

01:12:35.220 makes the entire church a Nazi church

01:12:38.160 and a church of Satan.

01:12:40.740 Yeah.

01:12:42.180 And we're going to put his name out there.

01:12:44.520 We're going to have people blast his businesses.

01:12:46.320 We're going to publish information from the church.

01:12:48.340 We're going to pressure his sin on in his session.

01:12:51.360 Insane.

01:12:52.420 And notice the charity that we would have to people

01:12:53.960 that wouldn't go as far as us.

01:12:55.080 So I'm sure we have friends, if I sat down and asked them, they'd be like, ah, I wouldn't go that far.

01:13:00.160 Okay.

01:13:01.180 I'm not going to call you a non-Christian over that.

01:13:02.920 We disagree.

01:13:04.000 We do disagree, but that's literally it.

01:13:06.940 The Christian faith affords a wide variety of political views.

01:13:12.020 So we have the charity on the other way.

01:13:13.580 Hey, you wouldn't go as far.

01:13:14.540 Hey, I get it.

01:13:15.100 I think there's some reasons the Bible actually esteems those who hate public idolatry, public blasphemy.

01:13:20.900 So I'd encourage you to think strongly about, hey, the implications and, hey, the virtue in saying the public square is Christ's.

01:13:28.940 We're not trying to kick them out of the church, like at all.

01:13:31.760 But on the other direction, anyone farther than me, anathematize.

01:13:37.300 What do you think, Antonio?

01:13:38.860 Yeah, no, I mean, to Wes's point, that's going to have to be true about the church, right?

01:13:43.520 You're going to, especially as we emerge from the post-war consensus sort of mentality,

01:13:47.800 You're going to be having to deal with people who have more liberal views on topics like, you know, who should be able to vote, for example, or, you know, feminism, so on and so forth.

01:14:00.380 Like you're going to have to accommodate these people in the church and counsel them and use scripture to do so.

01:14:06.440 And so, yeah, I mean, I would say this, it's a little discouraging, honestly, that a post like that from, you know, someone who, I mean, I don't know the person.

01:14:16.880 but presumably we agree tactically on all sorts of things right uh politically speaking right uh

01:14:22.860 you diagnose you know issues on the border issues on uh whatever whatever you pick your issue um

01:14:29.800 and for them certainly soteriology anthropology yeah absolutely all of these things biblically

01:14:34.900 yeah for sure and so yeah it's just it's just discouraging that it's this this sort of like

01:14:39.720 infighting and uh stonewalling really is uh i mean what do you do with that i think for it to die

01:14:47.040 you just have to become immune to it there's james lindsey he can say a hundred times a day

01:14:51.300 never again is now never again is now this is just like whatever historical event you'd literally

01:14:57.040 just have to don't take their framing stand up and keep doing what you're doing stay true to

01:15:03.500 scripture but the way it dies is by people realizing this literally holds no power anymore

01:15:08.180 i threatened to call you this i called you that name i called this yeah and nobody cared do you

01:15:14.120 feel in charge yeah you feel in charge right now um do you feel in charge but i will say

01:15:19.680 the post-war consensus will have to end it has to it just yeah but what you're saying the west

01:15:25.100 post-war consensus pick one right yeah you can't do both um but what you're saying in terms of you

01:15:29.800 just have to ignore them is absolutely true however practically what that means um is you

01:15:36.480 know because in order to be able to ignore them um you have to be insulated it's not enough for

01:15:43.400 one man to ignore them you have to have a community that also agrees and that doesn't

01:15:49.100 mean agrees with your position but agrees in terms of the strategy the tactic of we do not

01:15:54.300 excommunicate over uh world war ii revisionist views yeah we don't do that i'm sorry if somebody

01:16:02.320 thinks it's six million there are people in my church who believe six million jews died and were

01:16:08.180 cremated in ovens and they are members in good standard and there are some it's it's more of a

01:16:15.560 minority report it's actually less people uh but there are some who say ah that six million seems

01:16:21.540 a little high right so there are some who say ah maybe you know one to two million and there may be

01:16:27.060 a handful three or four individuals who are like i think more like you know 278 000

01:16:33.080 and we take the lord's supper together like how in the world how in the world is that a mark

01:16:43.160 of um of eternal salvation it's it's just not it's it's not not like if i had somebody in the

01:16:52.240 church who is saying, I want to go shoot up a synagogue, then that person would be harshly

01:16:59.340 rebuked and need to repent. And if they don't repent, they'd be excommunicated because they're

01:17:04.580 talking about committing a crime, a sin and a crime and a serious sin of murder. We are not

01:17:13.280 vigilantes. We believe that God has ordained certain spheres of authority. So just like what

01:17:19.080 we're saying, right? We're being consistent on both sides of the equation. So no, voting is not

01:17:23.900 a natural right. And also, vengeance is not a natural right. The Bible speaks to that. That

01:17:31.320 is biblical. The Bible actually says, who can take vengeance, right? The one who bears the sword,

01:17:36.380 the state, the civil magistrate, is God's deacon, diaconate. He's God's servant who has been given

01:17:45.000 the sword. And beyond that, there are some Old Testament texts that talk about the avenger of

01:17:53.560 blood being the closest male member of kin to someone who was killed. And that if that person

01:18:02.360 has not yet fleed and sought refuge in a city of refuge, and there were six of them that were

01:18:10.220 designated strategically, geographically in Israel to where each one, no matter where you were, it

01:18:16.420 would be a day's travel. You could run in one day and make it to a city of refuge. So that if

01:18:21.980 someone committed not first degree murder, but manslaughter, the closest of kin to the victim

01:18:28.760 who died could actually take vengeance into his own hands if that person was wandering around

01:18:35.240 freely outside of the city of refuge. That's not in accordance with our laws today, so we would

01:18:41.060 not advise that. But my point is, even in Old Testament times for Old Covenant Israel, even

01:18:46.560 outside of the civil magistrate, it was still a very narrow and very specific individuals that

01:18:54.380 had that right, a right to vengeance. So my point, not everybody has a right to vote. Likewise, not

01:19:02.740 everybody has a right to take vengeance. But you have to talk about real sin. It has to be a real

01:19:07.560 sin. So if somebody is saying, I want to commit the sin of going and physically assaulting someone

01:19:15.180 or physically murdering someone or physically stealing from someone, then yes, that is a

01:19:22.920 disciplinary offense. And apart from repentance, that person would be banned from the table of

01:19:28.980 lord and excommunicated from the church and the keys of the kingdom would have to be uh used but

01:19:35.140 if somebody is saying you know what i think um weimar germany had a lot of good policies

01:19:40.080 and i don't think uh that um that the number six million is uh is accurate and i think that these

01:19:49.460 things some of these things were embellished and i think that uh today that multiculturalism

01:19:56.140 is um a plague on the west and and i think that we should be more selective uh with who comes to

01:20:04.440 our country and i think that uh we should have mass deportations for those who do not belong here

01:20:11.480 and i also think that um x y and z blah blah we're not we are not in sin categories anymore

01:20:19.640 you can disagree you say i think this other policy would be better i think that you know

01:20:24.680 this policy would be better. Fine. But to elevate that to heresy is insane. And part of what it does

01:20:35.820 is it retroactively anathematizes all of our Christian forefathers, like a wide swath

01:20:43.540 of our Christian forefathers. You're essentially saying that these men either were not Christian

01:20:49.780 or they were Christian but with, you know, massive, massive sin.

01:20:54.840 And I just don't think, I don't think that this generation of Christians,

01:21:01.220 including myself, is in the position to cast judgment on greater sires

01:21:08.780 when we are, objectively, their lesser sons.

01:21:13.300 Because that's what I heard growing up.

01:21:15.340 I'm sure you heard the same thing, was like, yeah, you know,

01:21:17.300 jonathan edwards was great but he had this really big blind spot you know when it came to slavery or

01:21:23.100 you know um jonathan edwards i'm content to just say uh you know what jonathan edwards was a better

01:21:29.980 man than me period and just stop that doesn't mean he was an infallible man but he's a better man

01:21:36.980 than me and uh the generation of christians that were 90 christian and that did not murder millions

01:21:45.900 of babies and that did not trans children and did not have drag queen story hour and did not

01:21:52.060 have exorbitant forms of usury and did not have pornography plastered everywhere um maybe maybe

01:21:59.440 they're just better than us maybe we're not qualified to place ourselves in the seat of

01:22:05.200 judgment um it's just it really is an arrogant thing to think uh you know what i'm going to um

01:22:13.840 re uh litigate history from hindsight um and i and i'm going to do it uh with with the people

01:22:27.540 who who were like unapologetically explicitly christian um and i'm going to do it from the

01:22:35.820 standpoint of like i'm going to stand on this mountain of 70 million baby skulls

01:22:41.760 and retroactively judge george whitfield that's that is an incredibly arrogant position

01:22:51.000 i don't know what's gonna say god god esteems the humble those who are humble enough to say

01:22:56.880 maybe before they got it better maybe they were wiser not a faux humility but the proverbs are

01:23:02.380 full of the humble man. It's the fool who's right in his own eyes. It's the fool who takes

01:23:07.340 policies of 60 years ago and adds those as gospel works. But it's the humble who God establishes

01:23:12.780 and says, no, he's to be praised because look at the humility and the deference that he has,

01:23:19.040 especially in respect to reverence for fathers. And for the record, yes, all these guys,

01:23:25.260 whether it be Edwards or Whitfield or Dabney, all these great Christian men, Stonewall Jackson,

01:23:30.960 um they all had harsh words for dealing with the transatlantic slave trade um the thing that

01:23:40.620 that they simply disagreed on was the institution of slavery altogether right so these were not men

01:23:49.020 saying you know what yeah uh we should uh we should keep um buying and selling people we

01:23:57.140 brought over a million we can make it two million next year yeah they were not saying that

01:24:01.620 Dabney, who everybody colors as a racist,

01:24:04.440 had harsh words against the transatlantic slave trade

01:24:07.460 and believed that the trade itself

01:24:09.680 should be immediately abolished.

01:24:13.380 He believed that it was a breach of God's law,

01:24:15.760 that it was sinful,

01:24:17.080 and he and others also recognized

01:24:19.640 that it was largely financed by Jews.

01:24:23.200 And they wanted to see it abolished.

01:24:27.140 But the idea of, okay, what do I do with someone?

01:24:30.940 who's third generation now in America, they only speak English. They've grown up in the church.

01:24:39.060 They've been catechized. They take the Lord's Supper right alongside their master and his

01:24:45.600 family. And I don't even know where they come from. And we're going to randomly drop this

01:24:51.720 person off, likely a thousand miles away from where their ancestry actually is. They don't

01:24:58.640 speak to like they're going to be slaughtered they're going to die alone in in the jungle

01:25:03.500 they're like they're going to get captured and sold back into slavery again yeah yeah these were

01:25:09.680 real issues that they were trying to think through and i think that they probably thought

01:25:15.480 through these issues better than most of us any other thoughts on that i know we have one more

01:25:20.460 commercial break well i was just going to say quickly as i think about the post-war consensus

01:25:25.340 the one sort of quote-unquote virtue, it's actually a non-virtue that bubbles up out of

01:25:31.520 all of those fundamental assumptions that they carry, that liberalism carries, is this idea that

01:25:37.680 social exclusion is evil. It's almost like kind of their last, the last offense is to say, well,

01:25:45.260 you want to exclude someone. You're bullying. It's a bully tactic. It's evil. You don't see

01:25:52.580 them as equal in the eyes of God. And I think I'll speak specifically to the Christian who

01:25:58.560 carries that assumption. They fail to see that distinction between the spiritual and the social

01:26:05.040 or the natural, right? And so socially, we exclude people all the time. There are people I don't let

01:26:11.520 into my home. There are Christians that I expect to see in glory that I would just simply say,

01:26:19.040 we you know hey keep going on you know keep doing your thing and i'll keep doing my thing over here

01:26:24.440 and like we're not going to be best friends and so there's all sorts of sorts of social exclusions

01:26:29.080 uh that we make and i think people just simply fail to see that um and and then of course the

01:26:33.780 terrible irony really sad irony is that the moment you don't believe that value you're excluded

01:26:40.340 socially and otherwise apparently yep all right let's go to our last commercial break and we'll

01:26:46.840 be back we'll try to take um some of your questions we've had some super chats so we're

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01:29:51.800 all right let's go ahead and pull up the super chats we'll dive right into it

01:29:58.260 here they come all right first one daniel bartos he gave us 20 bucks thanks daniel we appreciate

01:30:04.780 it he said uh sorry that you have to spend so much time explaining a basic use of logic and

01:30:10.320 reasoning the binary thinking that we see today is an epidemic also uh when are you going to release

01:30:17.560 your Four Pillars merchandise.

01:30:21.840 He wants a Four Pillars shirt.

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01:30:27.760 at your local grocery store.

01:30:29.380 Yeah, it would.

01:30:30.100 It would provide a lot of opportunities

01:30:32.120 to share the gospel.

01:30:34.160 Okay, Antonio,

01:30:35.100 you want to do the next one?

01:30:36.060 Yeah, Ked's Dead,

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01:30:39.260 Thank you.

01:30:40.500 Says,

01:30:41.320 Jews would just lie about citizenship

01:30:43.340 and Israel would back their lies.

01:30:45.260 I think, referring specifically to the dual citizenship.

01:30:50.420 What do you think?

01:30:52.500 I can never say it's been a problem in Christendom

01:30:54.520 where Christians said,

01:30:55.480 here, you must be this high to ride the ride.

01:30:57.140 To stay a citizen, you must do these things.

01:30:58.920 And Jews have lied in the past, historically.

01:31:01.180 So what do you do if Jews just lie about their ethnicity?

01:31:05.960 Like, forget citizenship.

01:31:06.740 There is always that game that occurs of like,

01:31:09.340 oh, well, you know, if you set up some standard,

01:31:12.480 Democrats will just try to evade the standard, right?

01:31:15.060 There's a little bit of political goodwill that you need for any kind of system to function.

01:31:19.740 Because to me, it's like, oh, well, you know, they'll keep their dual citizenship in line.

01:31:23.500 It's like, okay, well, so, okay, so then you say, like, I assume what he's implying is that, like, just no Jews, period.

01:31:31.180 Okay, well, then, all right, forget citizenship.

01:31:33.940 How do you know somebody is, you know, biologically a Jew?

01:31:37.520 And, you know, and so then it's like, well, there needs to be a physical marker.

01:31:41.100 uh maybe if we put like you know some kind of you know physical sign and and sewed like a patch

01:31:47.080 onto the you know it's like the government has to have a multi-billion dollar contract with 23 and

01:31:52.140 me you're gonna go down every street like like what are you gonna do like what are you gonna do

01:31:56.240 so so what i'm trying to do is i'm trying to have common sense merit-based um biblical policies

01:32:04.360 ban usury ban pornography ban dual citizenship as far as you can you know see you know legitimately

01:32:12.000 who has it if somebody lies they lie you know but to the best of your ability ban these things

01:32:17.220 like well what do you do if uh if people just go underground with pornography like that well okay

01:32:22.220 people will always like that's like that's a good thing it's like they went underground

01:32:26.020 public you can't access it online yeah yeah that's to me it's like saying like um well we

01:32:31.580 shouldn't ban murder because what if uh what if people uh murder uh in the middle of the night

01:32:36.920 secretly yes that's what people do that's correct yeah law is pragmatic in that way law and that's

01:32:44.100 why it's helpful i think particularly we talk about things like citizenship and uh civic duty

01:32:49.160 so on and so forth is getting to the principle like what am i really trying to get at when i say

01:32:53.760 property male landowner there's a principle behind those things and i'm using those as

01:32:59.580 qualifications to get to those principles and so um and and in this case we're saying why why no

01:33:06.660 dual citizenship that's what we're aiming for and there are probably several ways to um solve for

01:33:12.200 that uh but but the the major reason why is that those who are you know you you are a a lesser

01:33:18.720 civil magistrate um if you are a voting citizen in a republic um the the voting class is the civil

01:33:25.360 magistrate and so we're saying that like if you're going to be a voting citizen then you are a civil

01:33:31.140 magistrate who is dictating um the direction and uh the future of the country yeah and and so if

01:33:38.640 you're going to have that kind of power to dictate the future of the country you need to have your

01:33:43.260 allegiance solely vested in that country that you're dictating yeah and not have the potential

01:33:50.060 incentive of dictating policies here to benefit people over there now try to disagree with that

01:33:56.080 right exactly it's it's it's impossible to disagree yeah exactly because it's it is a common

01:34:00.660 sense merit-based policy and and that's that's why i hold the position that i'm holding is um

01:34:08.540 yeah because i'd you know it's like i would love to dress up like peter pan you know like all all

01:34:13.960 the guys to my right you know god bless them you know but like it's not halloween you know like i

01:34:18.140 mean it'd be great you know to build some cardboard swords you know and go through you know like that

01:34:22.060 that's fine but like part of the reason i hold the position that i do is i know it seems infeasible

01:34:28.320 today but i actually believe in my lifetime that uh that what i'm proposing could happen i i really

01:34:34.920 do i actually think because i think there's enough people who say yeah you know what pornography

01:34:39.580 really should be banned or like you talk about usury dude you're talking about an entire young

01:34:46.720 adult generation that is going to uh to get your back on that policy there's gonna be like yes

01:34:52.340 we can't live we can't own homes um so like the things that i'm putting forward are things that i

01:34:59.260 i really do believe are achievable even repealing the 19th amendment people laugh i'm telling you

01:35:05.540 i was saying this three years ago and it was like it was just it would blow up into the stratosphere

01:35:11.940 You're like, I can't believe all that.

01:35:13.900 And now, you know how many people gave me grief

01:35:17.260 who are now like, well, that's reasonable,

01:35:19.820 but I don't like that Joel says this other thing.

01:35:22.680 Story of my life.

01:35:24.020 My life has been, I hate you and I want to destroy you.

01:35:28.420 And then two years later, oh, of course I agree with that.

01:35:31.440 Everybody agrees with that.

01:35:32.420 I hate you and want to destroy you for this other thing.

01:35:35.860 Over and over.

01:35:36.740 I wish that eventually, that's part of the reason

01:35:38.620 why I'm careful.

01:35:39.760 um it doesn't mean that i don't publicly voice my disagreement but i'm careful about not

01:35:44.480 anathematizing people to my right you know one of the reasons why why i try to be careful about that

01:35:49.300 because i don't want to be that guy who has made my own life so so challenging and so difficult at

01:35:56.580 times who um is you're terrible i can't believe you blah blah blah blah blah and then two years

01:36:02.440 later you come around you're holding the exact same position you act as though it's common

01:36:06.540 knowledge and you never go back and set the record straight you never go back and apologize

01:36:10.340 you never go back and give credit where credit is due you never go back to that person that you

01:36:14.960 tried to ruin their life on social media and blew them up you know like um where where are those

01:36:20.680 guys where i i would love to see a line beginning to form uh to come and apologize where are the

01:36:27.800 apologies over covid yeah where are they where are the apologies over blm where are the apologies

01:36:34.120 over St. George Floyd? Where are the apologies? Where's the apologies over the 19th Amendment?

01:36:39.260 The number of people, you can see it. You can see it in real time on social media. Three years ago,

01:36:44.900 I say it, there's like three people agreeing with me and hundreds of thousands trying to ruin my

01:36:51.460 life. And now it's, yes, it is still a minority, but it's tens of thousands of people saying,

01:36:58.960 oh, this is reasonable. This makes sense. I understand that. Yeah. Oh, household voting.

01:37:02.420 you know like how could you call that a sin maybe you disagree but it's not sinful like

01:37:06.540 do you know how fast things have changed in two or three years it is astronomical um it's

01:37:13.560 astronomical but my point is that like with all these policies that i'm that i'm presenting and

01:37:19.700 suggesting i actually i believe first that they're they're biblical secondly i believe they're

01:37:27.660 feasible i actually do i actually think that it is possible that in our lifetime that universal

01:37:32.920 suffrage um is removed i think it's possible in our lifetime that usury exorbitant forms of usury

01:37:40.060 are banned i think it's possible that pornography is banned i think it's possible that abortion is

01:37:44.560 abolished but i already covered that by repealing the 19th amendment so um there's a there's a lot

01:37:50.080 of you get rid of that one and boom boom boom boom they're like what happened why is america

01:37:54.180 is such an incredible place to live you know my life is so much better i pay less in taxes i can

01:37:58.400 afford a home i like what happened uh women don't vote anymore that's that's what happened i mean

01:38:03.920 that you just look at the statistics there would not be one democrat president in the united states

01:38:08.220 for the last half of a century 50 years if women couldn't vote i it's i mean it is phenomenal so

01:38:15.080 um anyways all that back to the comment of you know what if they lied about citizenship okay

01:38:20.720 all right so then you you get rid of all the jews what if they lie about being a jew um you know

01:38:25.960 like uh well you know like what if what if people uh what if somebody murdered somebody and lied

01:38:30.620 about it like that's that's just that that's always that's always something that you have to

01:38:36.300 deal with always um okay next all right nick bonner uh great brother brother joel 20 27 99

01:38:44.700 27 that was like california canada same thing canada canada brother joel preaching the truth

01:38:50.280 love today w right response thanks nick really appreciate it 100 johnny randolph 4111 keep up

01:38:59.520 the good fight thanks so much johnny that's thanks johnny really appreciate it appreciate it uh joel

01:39:04.480 go ahead okay uh this is uh daniel bartos again um 20 from daniel he said never quit i will never

01:39:14.200 quit um if you help me uh employ my team that's my promise i will never quit um but i will have

01:39:23.040 a lot of people who don't quit but who are forcefully laid off if we can't keep the lights

01:39:28.540 on all right antonio yeah uh daniel bartos says again may the spirit of christ strengthen you

01:39:34.700 thanks daniel um huddo hippo moms uh sent 9.99 just with 1999 or no 9.99 there oh i'm sorry

01:39:44.440 you're right but but just just the tag at huddo hippo moms i don't know if there was a question

01:39:48.800 nathan attached maybe that came before um and then they just sent the super chat anyway we can look

01:39:55.480 real quick um just one second guys we're looking because if they did attach a question we want to

01:40:01.120 honor that since they gave the super chat we appreciate it huddle hippo moms um just for

01:40:06.840 anybody who's like what is what is that huddle hippo hippo uh hippo is the mascot of the town

01:40:12.840 of huddle which is in central texas where we are yeah so all right cool all right we can keep going

01:40:17.540 with no question uh go to favorites i think these are just super chats perfect jose vega

01:40:24.920 1999 to become bulletproof god bless you joel god bless you jose appreciate that

01:40:31.320 jonathan storms 20 thanks jonathan keep fighting fellow kings america we will be christian

01:40:37.240 we'll have our heritage again thank you for your faithful leadership by god we'll have our home

01:40:41.680 again by god we'll have our home again all right thank you jonathan uh next one is logan howlett

01:40:47.580 3024 he gave us ten dollars he said uh brothers i'm reformed post-mill calvinist uh my wife and

01:40:55.400 i agree that women shouldn't vote i support israel because islam is the giant enemy and they want

01:41:02.040 to kill jews and us do you see me as an ally um it depends so so i i see you as a brother in christ

01:41:11.020 if you're reformed and post-mill and calvinist then that assumes you know christian so in terms

01:41:18.580 of brotherhood do you believe that jesus is the eternally begotten son of god who was enfleshed

01:41:27.680 right and in the incarnation took on flesh dwelt among us lived a sinless life died a substitutionary

01:41:33.800 death on the cross for our sin under the wrath of god was bodily raised from the dead on the third

01:41:38.520 day, revealed himself to 500 witnesses, and ascended to the right hand of God the Father,

01:41:43.840 and that he promises to return to judge both the living and the dead? If so, and I'm assuming the

01:41:49.680 answer to that is yes, then you are a brother in Christ. In terms of being an ally, I think it's

01:41:55.480 just helpful. Clarity of language is helpful. There are categories. So an ally in doing the

01:42:03.780 work of an evangelist and sharing the gospel about jesus and eternal salvation with others

01:42:08.880 um if you're a christian like everything that we've that i just covered then yes um do i see

01:42:15.080 you as a um a cultural ally um on many fronts probably you probably want to see the end of

01:42:20.960 abortion you want to see the end of women voting of women voting no fault divorce absolutely um

01:42:27.160 as a political ally no uh no i don't think you're a political ally um that's my position you guys

01:42:35.020 are free to disagree with me but um when you say support israel i i guess you'd have to clarify

01:42:41.920 that right at best support israel generally speaking or support israel in something specific

01:42:47.060 because i can imagine a scenario where you support israel on a specific geopolitical

01:42:52.240 topic or you know some tension uh where it's like this makes sense this truly is america first

01:42:57.880 right so you have to consider that if you're saying i support israel as a nation state

01:43:02.160 insofar as um i believe apart from our tax dollars and us sending them trillions and trillions of

01:43:08.260 dollars over the past few decades um apart from america propping israel up independently in and

01:43:14.540 of themselves um i i believe as a cudgel against islam that's what they specifically right yeah

01:43:19.960 but they have a right to exist um sure uh but if it's like i support israel and genociding

01:43:29.180 um palestinians in gaza no um i support israel in uh going into uh other nations and forcing

01:43:38.420 regime change no i support israel um and and their influence in american politics and espionage and

01:43:46.400 israeli intelligence and having a stranglehold through blackmail um with you know with american

01:43:54.540 politicians to force america to do things that are not actually in our best interest no absolutely

01:43:59.940 not so yeah you're right antonio that would have to be qualified i support israel um okay how how

01:44:08.580 do you support israel but anyways a long long way of saying um there's a difference between brother

01:44:14.580 and ally um and then with ally um there's different categories right there's uh ally

01:44:21.240 culturally ally politically ally you know with this ally with that and depending how you answer

01:44:26.360 that question of in what way do you support israel uh then the answer could could be yes

01:44:32.020 um and could be no uh for myself personally i do not support israel um i i think you know i'm not

01:44:40.000 saying that we should go to war with Israel, but I absolutely believe that we should cut

01:44:43.880 all ties with Israel and that they should stand on their own two feet. And if they do something

01:44:51.720 that's egregious, then I actually do think that we should be involved, not with Israel,

01:44:57.080 but against them. I think that we should be involved and say, I'm sorry, you have to stop

01:45:02.400 killing babies in gaza you you can't do that um so yeah so i i do not support israel and it depends

01:45:10.320 on how you answer that question what you mean okay next one antonio yep uh silhouette uh f9x

01:45:16.560 sent 20 thanks for that and says i'm a catholic i found your content a few weeks ago and have

01:45:22.080 been enjoying your content uh i hope catholics and protestants can find more unity in this culture

01:45:27.520 war i know it's been said but i hope to see collab with njf nicholas j nicholas j fuentes

01:45:34.700 yep um i appreciate that and that that honestly flows nicely off of the last question again um

01:45:41.260 talking about um being an ally so he used the word uh unity but notice he specifies unity in this

01:45:48.900 culture war yeah so like part of you know um my critiques uh with billy graham and some of his

01:45:55.720 later crusades he had catholic priests at the altar number one i don't really like altar calls

01:46:01.860 um i think it's too emotionally driven um but but he had you know altar calls so he'd do a call

01:46:08.180 for salvation you know for people to come forward and um and become christians and he had catholic

01:46:15.260 priests at the altar to to lead people in in a prayer of faith and i would say well but wait

01:46:23.600 on that front we're talking about how does god save what what is the gospel and how does god

01:46:29.960 save um so no i i'm i'm not going to partner um on something like that but again to be fair to the

01:46:37.620 the the question um it protestants i hope that catholics and protestants can find more unity

01:46:44.200 in this culture war um catholics have done a world of good um arguably more than protestants

01:46:51.260 in fighting for the sanctity of life for the unborn, for instance.

01:46:56.940 Catholics have done a ton of good on multiple cultural fronts.

01:47:02.860 And so the way I see it is, again, as co-belligerents, as allies,

01:47:07.300 which is different than this person would be an elder in my church,

01:47:11.040 or even the level of this person would be a member in my church.

01:47:14.700 For membership in my church, it would be like,

01:47:18.240 okay, so you were baptized in the Catholic church,

01:47:21.260 you've spent your entire life being a Catholic, let's talk about soteriology. Let's talk about

01:47:29.800 that. Doctrine of God, theology proper, we'd be good. Catholics have better, in my opinion,

01:47:34.740 better theology proper than most Protestants. But we would have to talk about soteriology,

01:47:40.080 and that would be a criteria for whether or not I could offer not just leadership, but membership

01:47:46.600 in my church. So Nick Fuentes, for instance, Nick Fuentes is not going to be an elder

01:47:52.240 at Covenant Bible Church, and Nick Fuentes would not be a member at Covenant Bible Church,

01:47:57.880 nor would he want to. He's a devoted Catholic. But insofar on cultural issues and political issues,

01:48:06.000 all truth is God's truth, right? Like if we discovered old ancient Babylonian libraries,

01:48:10.940 I don't think we should burn all the books. I think we should plunder them. And whatever is true,

01:48:14.860 we should we should take and instill in whatever is false we should abandon and reject and when

01:48:21.780 it comes to culture and politics that's the way i see it um that you can have co-belligerent

01:48:26.280 political co-belligerence you can have cultural co-belligerence and i i echo your sentiment i

01:48:32.840 also hope to see catholics and protestants find more unity in the culture war i think that that's

01:48:39.040 stated um plainly and clearly and i think i can say that and affirm that give a hearty amen

01:48:44.440 while maintaining all of my protestant bona fides yeah and i think the protestants who

01:48:50.340 recoil at that um i i think you've got to grow up you you got to see what what time it is

01:48:58.080 we're not saying that um that this catholic local catholic church and this protestant church

01:49:04.260 should merge that their churches should merge we're not saying that um but uh there's a bunch

01:49:10.240 of catholics outside of an abortion clinic trying to see it shut down uh yeah i think you can partner

01:49:16.740 with them so all right less all right you're gonna have to help me on this pronunciation

01:49:23.440 nathan de brulee de brulee the l's the eyes and the e's at this distance they're blurring together

01:49:33.400 Well, you know what?

01:49:34.160 It sounds French.

01:49:35.500 And when it comes to the French, I appreciate a little distance.

01:49:38.120 You know what I mean?

01:49:40.680 All right.

01:49:41.460 Oh, there we go.

01:49:42.580 I think I did it right.

01:49:43.460 I still can't say it.

01:49:44.540 Nathan.

01:49:45.320 Du Brouillier.

01:49:46.460 There we go.

01:49:47.180 Nathan sent a $99 super chat.

01:49:50.120 Thanks so much, Nathan.

01:49:50.660 Thanks, Nathan.

01:49:51.120 That's very kind, very generous.

01:49:53.260 But a good question in here.

01:49:54.200 Love the show.

01:49:54.760 Have you seen Fuentes' show exposing J.D. Vance?

01:49:57.760 He tied together a lot of the same stuff y'all have talked about before.

01:50:00.880 God bless.

01:50:01.440 God bless.

01:50:02.140 I have.

01:50:02.360 We did an episode, this would have been about two months ago,

01:50:04.680 on J.D. Vance, Peter Thiel, Palantir.

01:50:07.640 I think we all hold a little bit more hope from him.

01:50:09.960 That's what I was going to say.

01:50:11.020 That's the only difference, I think.

01:50:12.460 We've seen his material.

01:50:13.360 Yes, we've seen his material.

01:50:14.320 No talking points.

01:50:15.480 And we think, and just for the record,

01:50:16.900 I think that those are the things when Nick excels.

01:50:19.300 People are like, why would you say something positive about Nick Fontos?

01:50:24.000 I'm not going to listen to Nick to see, like, okay,

01:50:27.160 so which curse words should I use from the pulpit?

01:50:29.720 you know or um that's like of course i disagree on that everybody knows that nick knows that um

01:50:36.440 i've talked to him like if we do a collaboration um uh you can't curse on the show and you know

01:50:44.240 what nick's response was he said of course i want it i i know you're a pastor i know it's not my

01:50:49.900 show of course i would honor that so we wouldn't even have to oh we're gonna have to you know

01:50:53.580 bleep out all this stuff and edit no we wouldn't have to do that because uh nick would be respectful

01:50:58.980 and wouldn't curse so yeah there's plenty of things that we disagree on he's a catholic i'm

01:51:02.660 a protestant he curses you know on the show and i'm not going to do that um but politically guys

01:51:08.800 like i don't know what to tell you um politically he's a savant he he is he called a lot of these

01:51:17.700 things very early on i'm not saying he's the only one i'm not saying he's the only one there have

01:51:21.860 been some others but he has been one of the the loudest and earliest voices in our generation yes

01:51:27.360 there was pat buchanan god god bless pat buchanan um so i'm not saying that nobody is you know

01:51:32.260 there's there's been revolutions uh revolting against the zeitgeist you know henry ford for

01:51:38.240 goodness sake you know like there's there's been plenty of guys who have come in whether it be in

01:51:42.060 the 1910s or the 1930s and i'm talking about in america um yeah there are plenty of guys who have

01:51:47.980 uh sounded the alarm um so i'm not saying that he's the first uh but but he has been one of the

01:51:54.660 most uh consistent and uh early and loud and here's the other thing uh well informed that

01:52:03.700 that's the big thing uh find me another guy who's as autistic as nick fuentes and has spent a decade

01:52:12.140 just reading reading scouring every every corner of the internet i mean the guy

01:52:18.880 like the guy knows what he's talking about so i i would say the big difference between us and nick

01:52:25.500 as it pertains to jd vance we did an episode um saying that basically to sum it up we said

01:52:31.120 there are three you think of affections ties allegiances there are three big affections

01:52:37.360 that are vying for jd vance's heart um one is his quintessential american childhood

01:52:45.140 appalachia i mean heartland america scott's irish scott irish stock raised by his grandmother

01:52:53.460 mom is is kind of like a statistic of of fly over america forgotten neglected um that's that's

01:53:02.880 powerful yeah that's his childhood i mean he has kind of like the superman art you know like born

01:53:08.280 in kansas you know raising up uh raised up around cattle and farmers you know corn fed you know like

01:53:14.300 i mean quintessential american um uh ancestry and childhood story and that's great um but that's not

01:53:24.920 all and and that got a lot of playtime um funded by guys like peter thiel uh with you know his um

01:53:34.160 his book that netflix made a movie what was it called hillbilly elegy hillbilly elegy um so my

01:53:40.620 the point is is not to say that um oh it's not true uh the fact that it became a book and a

01:53:45.900 best sell and all that kind of stuff doesn't mean that that's not still in his heart that is who he

01:53:50.120 is it is who he is and it's still there somewhere it's still there and so our only difference with

01:53:56.820 nick is we're just saying that part's still there the other two parts though you have to recognize

01:54:01.080 in terms of vying for his affections um he is married to an indian woman who was a hindu

01:54:06.540 and from what i've seen may have recently converted to catholicism um but if so it's very recent

01:54:15.040 and she is um of indian uh origin her parents live in india i'm pretty sure she so they have

01:54:22.640 first son is named vivek first yeah his first son is named vivek you can see the pictures of his

01:54:28.160 kids clothed in indian hindu garb um and if she is a convert it's very recent so to we're just

01:54:35.900 trying to be honest we're not trying to pick on jd vance but if you think that his wife right so

01:54:41.460 think of think of it like this i'll give you a story in the positive um remember king um is it

01:54:47.800 king it's not king nebuchadnezzar king xerxes i believe um and esther the queen well uh that king

01:54:56.860 was moved to enact policy that benefited one particular group of people because his wife told

01:55:04.980 him to and those people were her people right that's how politics works guys right um you you

01:55:13.420 can repeal a woman's vote uh but you will never repeal her voice nor should you for that matter

01:55:19.180 i don't i don't want to see women in the public square leading the discourse but i believe it's

01:55:24.700 it's god's design that one woman with her husband would would be one of his chief counselors my wife

01:55:31.940 is always, in a respectful way, not domineering over me, but in a respectful way as a godly woman,

01:55:37.660 my wife is constantly giving me counsel because I ask for it. I ask for it, and I want to hear

01:55:43.700 what she has to say. And what my wife says, it's like, well, Joel, you know, he stripped her of

01:55:49.760 all her dignity, all her power. In the life of Joel Webin, the most powerful person on the planet

01:55:56.460 is Megan Webin, my wife.

01:56:00.540 She has more power than my elders, not formally.

01:56:03.960 My elders have formal power

01:56:05.480 in the ecclesiastical sense in our church.

01:56:08.280 But in terms of informally,

01:56:09.960 she has more power than all my elders combined,

01:56:12.480 my deacons combined,

01:56:13.480 the board of right response combined,

01:56:16.040 my closest friends combined,

01:56:17.540 because she has the heart of her husband.

01:56:19.520 The Proverbs even say of a godly woman,

01:56:21.780 the heart of her husband trusts her.

01:56:23.900 and so i'm just thinking about that think about esther and how she influenced her husband the

01:56:30.300 king think of my wife now think of of jd vance it is not ideal i'm sure she's a wonderful woman

01:56:38.020 none of this is trying to beat up on it but it is not ideal for a man who is one heartbeat away

01:56:44.680 from the presidency of the united states for his closest confidant to be someone who her entire

01:56:51.900 extended family lives in another nation and uh and until very recently has practiced a false

01:57:00.160 religion and an adherent to a false religion worshiping of a foreign false god and from a

01:57:06.700 foreign people so one his childhood and upbringing um ancestry appalachia uh that's good but two

01:57:15.420 others his wife and then the last one is um the the the techno right the the technocracy of your

01:57:24.320 alex carp ceo of palantir your peter thiels um and his institute and the backing that jd vance

01:57:30.780 has had from peter thiel for years and years now um it's not just like oh you know what what a

01:57:36.320 magical story i think he has i think he really does have a magical story but here's the deal

01:57:40.680 let's let's just be honest there are thousands of people from appalachia who probably have

01:57:44.780 magical stories of the quintessential Americana and overcoming insurmountable odds. And it's a

01:57:52.060 true American story. But why is his story known by everyone? Why was his story made into a book

01:57:59.240 and a movie? How did his story become a bestseller? How did he become a bigwig as a VC

01:58:08.000 with zero experience among venture capitalists.

01:58:12.140 And how did he get the largest donation from Peter Thiel

01:58:16.020 for any other state?

01:58:18.780 In the history of U.S. Senate races.

01:58:21.120 Yeah, like, and so you just have to acknowledge that.

01:58:23.980 And then you have to look at Peter Thiel and say,

01:58:26.480 oh, but he's based, he's on the right.

01:58:29.900 Peter Thiel wants to achieve transhumanism.

01:58:33.000 Peter Thiel is a sodomite.

01:58:35.600 He has gay sex with men.

01:58:38.000 Alex Karp, who is the CEO of Palantir, which Peter Thiel is heavily involved in, is a Jew,

01:58:44.540 and has said publicly, he said, Alex Karp, CEO of Palantir, which is very much in the pocket

01:58:50.220 of J.D. Vance and the Trump administration, has said publicly, and I quote, my greatest fear is

01:58:56.040 Christian nationalists taking power. Not the left, right? This is the base right wing Alex Karp. Yeah,

01:59:01.060 right. My greatest fear is not the left, but Christian nationalists taking power and throwing

01:59:06.180 me out of a window and that guy has incredible influence with jd vance so jd vance it's his

01:59:14.760 childhood and ancestry that's good it's his wife i'm sure she's a wonderful woman but that is not

01:59:19.920 good that's not good india i don't i don't want india to have a pool a strong familial tie to my

01:59:27.620 president here in america that's a perfectly reasonable position um and then lastly uh peter

01:59:33.100 Thiel and Alex Karp and the right tech lords, all the PayPal mafia, David Sachs and Elon Musk.

01:59:40.560 And so my point is we agree with Nick's position pretty much entirely. We just haven't come to

01:59:46.480 his conclusion. We see his conclusion as being entirely plausible. He may be right. He tends to

01:59:51.440 be right. But we would simply, the only thing that we would distinguish ourselves in that regard

01:59:56.520 from Nick is we would say there are three different ties, not just one. Nick emphasizes

02:00:01.180 um peter thiel and palantir we say there are three um two of them are concerning nick is concerned

02:00:07.520 about one and rightfully so we're concerned about two um but we're hopeful with that third

02:00:12.160 um that his childhood would win out and um and jd vance has our our prayers um we are praying

02:00:19.980 for him okay we got to finish up uh i hear my family they're home uh this is uh west you want

02:00:25.660 to take this one or antonio can you take this one bo cannington sent fifty dollars thanks bo thanks

02:00:30.220 says you gentlemen do excellent work with these cultural and biblical conversations i've learned

02:00:34.800 a lot from your experience knowledge and willingness to tell the truth keep it up and

02:00:38.680 much appreciated thank you we appreciate it all right well that's it for the show for today

02:00:44.440 we hope that you've been blessed by it and lord willing we will see you on friday at 3 p.m central

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