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00:00:31 Today, we'll be discussing an important topic, and that is the Bears.

00:00:36 And if we're feeling particularly bold, we might even switch gears and talk about doubles.

00:00:42 We're going to be talking about sports, and we're going to be talking about the role that

00:00:46 sports, professional sports, play in our culture and in our country today.

00:00:52 Now, it's worth noting that things have changed quite a bit.

00:00:55 It's a little bit different today than it might have been if you're in your 30s and you have memories that are fond of when you were five and six years old sitting down on the couch watching a professional football game with your dad.

00:01:10 Some of the things that have changed is, yes, wokeness and, yes, you know, these social justice lines that are going to be in the infield and the gay rainbow on the men's helmets, all those kinds of things.

00:01:21 But another thing that has changed, there's a lot of things, but another thing is also I think of sports gambling.

00:01:27 And I also think about our culture and just how transient we are.

00:01:31 Very few people live in the same place that they grew up in.

00:01:35 Even fewer live in the same place that their dad and their grandfather grew up in.

00:01:39 We live in a transient society.

00:01:42 Our country, people move around.

00:01:44 Very few people have a particular city, a particular state that they could call home.

00:01:49 and then when you think about gambling you think about fantasy football right that you're no longer

00:01:54 rooting for a particular particular team you're looking at this player from this team over here

00:01:59 and that player from this team over there so a lot of the camaraderie and the community and

00:02:04 the memories of you and your dad rooting for the same home team again and again and again because

00:02:09 you have a community there you have ties there a lot of that is gone and then you throw wokeness

00:02:14 on top of it. And yet at the same time, there's something to be said for at least one remnant in

00:02:21 our society today that is a male-only space. You think of professional football, that it's men

00:02:27 and that it has not been polluted by this all-encompassing inclusivity, that it's men

00:02:35 doing something with physical grit, male competition at the highest level. You think of

00:02:41 the Coliseum. It's that without, you know, or at least with less blood. So there are some good

00:02:48 things, but there are some negative things. And that's what we're going to be talking about in

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00:03:20 gentlemen happy monday yep happy monday uh i i like this topic i feel like a lot of time when

00:03:35 I'm trying a lot of times what I'm trying to do I'm trying to convince people that uh the world

00:03:39 you grew up in is gone that there's many structures there's many frameworks there's memories that

00:03:44 you've had you've held on to and in some ways you can look at America and you can say well America

00:03:47 is still America we still have this we still have that and apple pie and memorial day the core of

00:03:52 America hasn't really changed I would certainly say at some level that's correct you can still

00:03:56 go to a small town and see be it a memorial day parade a celebration of America at least what we

00:04:01 were. We can see our Christian nature infused throughout all of it. But in other ways, there's

00:04:06 things that were hallmarks and memories. And we're perfectly honest, they've been subverted. You were

00:04:10 talking about it with your dad. The football that you watched with your dad, it's actually not the

00:04:15 same. And insofar as you go along pretending that it's all the same and it's all good. And look,

00:04:19 this is what America's about. I think of the idea of grill Americans, right? Americans, they want to 0.99

00:04:23 grill. They want to watch sports. And that's kind of it. They don't kind of realize that something 1.00

00:04:27 fundamental has shifted underneath, and it's subtle, but insofar as you think that the same

00:04:31 things are going on, you're perpetuating a system that now is actively opposed to a lot of the

00:04:36 reforms, I think, that we would want. And so there's two things that really sparked this

00:04:40 discussion. It's why we're talking about it today. A big one is people remembering as the NFL gets

00:04:45 ready to start its season that the NFL, a couple teams, not all teams, have introduced in the recent

00:04:50 years male cheerleaders. Now, we're not just talking male cheerleaders that serve a distinctly

00:04:54 male role, right? Sometimes at high school cheer, you'd have male cheerleaders that help hoist the

00:04:58 female cheerleaders up to do specific acts. No, we're talking flamboyant gay men doing the same 1.00

00:05:05 moves as women, as if they're just another one of the gals. Now, cheerleading on the whole is, 1.00

00:05:11 of course, subversive, right? Scantily clad women, we're going to dance, we're going to 1.00

00:05:14 add this provocative element when the entertainment should be on the field and something wholesome.

00:05:19 So already, cheerleading is already like, come on, like, what are we doing? Now you add on top of it

00:05:24 men acting like women and it's disgusting so there's that that really over the weekend a lot 0.97

00:05:29 of people were saying like what in the world is going on here male cheerleaders this is just gross 0.97

00:05:34 to look at and there's a greater discussion of is nfl specifically football we're going to be

00:05:39 talking a lot about football in this episode you can extrapolate to baseball you can extrapolate

00:05:43 to hockey isn't this a quintessential american thing and i want to pull up a series of just

00:05:48 exchanges from guys that you're going to recognize having a really good discussion about this the

00:05:53 first one is from a commentator nine millimeter smg and check this out all 32 nfl teams this year

00:06:00 they're going to be forced to stencil a social justice message in their end zones right we all

00:06:05 kind of thought the woke's been put away it is not nfl teams are going to have to by requirement

00:06:10 of the league literally stencil in like end racism it takes all of us choose love social justice

00:06:17 messages on the field for millions of people to see i actually appreciate that i end racism

00:06:23 the nfl is way too black it's clearly racist against white people and let's end it let's

00:06:30 let's indians are 20 of this country at this point we need indian representation that's right yeah 0.98

00:06:35 we need quarterbacks we need indians out on the field with we need asian men yeah there you go

00:06:41 um and so he said this and and i it's a good critique you need to hear it he said it's wild

00:06:46 how so many supposedly right-wing men so right-wing men soy jack that is fan out over sports these

00:06:52 teams hate you the owners hate you the entire league hates you you're keeping them in business

00:06:58 and it's a little bit strongly stated i would say but honestly if we were to go owner by owner team

00:07:03 for team yeah these people are not who you think of as uh just good old christian americans who

00:07:11 just want to put on a good show for one the nfl's on sunday that's kind of your hint right up the

00:07:15 off the bat there. Listen to what Matt Walsh said, and he's got some truth to it too here.

00:07:19 He said, football is an American tradition. You don't have to like it, but hating it is weird

00:07:23 and gay. Sure, the NFL organization is annoyingly woke in some ways, but they're definitely a hell 1.00

00:07:28 of a lot less woke than basically every entertainment company that the right-wing

00:07:31 sports ball haters still give their money to. And football players themselves tend to be very

00:07:36 openly religious and generally more conservative than athletes in almost any other sport. Again,

00:07:42 you don't have to enjoy football but football is one of the most uniquely american things that

00:07:47 exists it's part of our culture and culture matters and i'll pause right there what do we

00:07:51 think about that football it's quintessentially american don't have to love it but it's part of

00:07:55 our identity and our identity what we've done in the past it matters it has a place what do we think

00:08:01 yeah i think uh i mean specifically with football i i would say that there are elements of football

00:08:07 that are, I think, distinctly admirable and virtuous in the things that they teach.

00:08:15 If we go back to the fundamental of sports being primarily to train young men into how

00:08:21 to think in an ordered way, how to work with others, so on and so forth.

00:08:25 Football has a lot of those elements on its face.

00:08:28 And so I do think in the way of just I think about what American virtues and ideals should

00:08:35 be. Football is a lot more aligned to that than a sport like basketball, for example, which is a

00:08:39 lot more of a solo sport or any other pick your one-on-one sort of sport. And so I'll just say

00:08:45 that at the outset. But as it relates to the NFL specifically, yes, football, I mean, as a matter

00:08:51 of historical fact, is an American sport. It is a sort of a deviation or some kind of like derivative

00:08:58 of soccer, which is a far more international sport. Everyone knows America has historically

00:09:03 never been good at soccer. And so I think about, you know, as football sort of emerged in the

00:09:10 beginning of the 20th century, and as it sort of continue on through the 20th century, it did

00:09:13 really reach a height in the 90s. You think about the Cowboys, you think about like these

00:09:19 quintessential John Elway, Denver Broncos, sort of it reached its height in terms of our shared

00:09:24 culture and the national consciousness. And so I think that's like undebatable. I do appreciate

00:09:30 Wes's point about like the way that a lot of the way that nostalgia can be used against you

00:09:35 essentially so like you know this idea that it's like I romanticize football and what it means to

00:09:40 me both as a sport and something that I participated in but also something that you know was a shared

00:09:45 we had a shared culture around and the way that that's dissipated I think we all have to recognize

00:09:50 that um but look I think like if I had to pick sides here I do I do agree a lot with what Matt

00:09:56 Walsh has to say I think when you watch this debate what you're seeing a lot of the lines 0.84

00:10:00 are being drawn sort of in a very intuitive way like guys who didn't really play football growing

00:10:05 up guys who weren't you know were less athletically inclined and so didn't really develop a passion

00:10:10 for the sport or more likely to say look we could do without this and I would be perfectly fine and

00:10:14 of course there's men on the other side of the aisle who love football and have grown up watching

00:10:19 it and playing it and that sort of thing and so I think that's the most obvious interpretation of

00:10:24 sort of the debate that's happening on the right, right now around football. That's how I see it.

00:10:29 Yep. And so CJ Engel, he commented this on Matt Walsh's post, and it's good. It's kind of a back

00:10:33 and forth. He presents the other side. He says this, Matt Walsh, hey, this is football. This

00:10:37 is American. This is deeply ingrained in our culture, and it matters. CJ says, this was true

00:10:42 30 years ago. Now, the entire point is to produce constant brain rot among middle-class adult males 0.77

00:10:48 who should otherwise, and in a prior epoch would, be in a state of counter-revolutionary

00:10:54 political fervor and what he's essentially saying is that if you were 30 years ago 50 years ago and

00:10:59 your government was taking this much of your money it was giving away this many of your jobs

00:11:03 i mean you had illegal aliens on the streets uh killing people because they have no idea how to

00:11:08 drive trucks and they have no sense of remorse whatsoever if those things were happening and

00:11:12 you didn't have the netflix you didn't have the pornhub you didn't have the terrible food you

00:11:16 didn't have the sports to keep people preoccupied i mean we got to be honest young men would be

00:11:21 absolutely burning down the nation for better or for worse but they're placated right now yeah so

00:11:26 yeah i think that's true the only thing that i would push back with cj on this and for the record

00:11:31 i i appreciate cj greatly and really i appreciate anybody who um who doesn't like uh sports

00:11:38 i'm not never been a fan i'm sorry i've never been a fan um but that said here's the deal

00:11:46 you take away football and you still have netflix slop hulu slop hbo slop uh porn hub slop only

00:11:54 fan slop um you know gambling on on this you know so okay now it's not sports gambling but

00:12:01 it's just more people are playing poker online or they're playing you know whatever i can gamble

00:12:04 on the south park episode and what's going to be said on it right slop yep um and so my point is

00:12:10 that like i think there was a time where when when you i mean if you're looking at rome and you know

00:12:15 there's a time where that was the premier form of entertainment um and that was in part not just it

00:12:22 was premier it was like the exclusive virtually exclusive form of entertainment like it was

00:12:29 feats of strength it was competition men competing against one another in feats of strength

00:12:34 um and that that was the interesting yeah sure there would be dancers sure there would be you

00:12:39 know a few other things but not like it is today and so my point is today you take football away

00:12:45 as much as i'm not interested you take football away and i don't think um i don't think that you

00:12:52 have all of a sudden a bunch of right-wing you know christian men you know you know storming dc

00:12:58 and uh and getting involved demanding justice i don't think so i think like okay you take football 0.92

00:13:04 way and um and now it's just uh more guys are watching you know some some gay race communism 0.65

00:13:13 slop on netflix you know at least football like you know had you know some virtue like what 0.69

00:13:19 antonio was saying at least it like it showcased you know masculine strength like it i mean honestly

00:13:25 in some sense i look at football and i think it's actually phenomenal is woke and is is effeminate

00:13:31 as our our country is in 2025 the fact that we still allow and maybe not for long i'm going to

00:13:38 be like being frank i feel like 10 years and you're going to have you know flag football yeah

00:13:44 you know what i mean the fine baptist said that he's like the nfl is just moving to flag yeah

00:13:47 like because to me it's actually it's actually shocking and in a good way if i you know to

00:13:53 steel man football for a moment the fact that you still have a a male only space with uh that

00:13:59 that exalts strength masculine strength and allows them not just to compete in a careful way

00:14:08 but allows them to compete with like full-on contact where where people get brain injuries

00:14:17 you know and people break spines i'm not saying that i'm hoping for i don't think that should be

00:14:23 the goal right there is a difference than the coliseum where it's like we're going to put

00:14:27 someone you know in the ring with uh with 20 lions right like the goal there is blood blood

00:14:33 is the goal there's a there is i think a moral difference like between uh blood being a byproduct

00:14:39 injuries being a byproduct from like the goal is to move a ball down the field um but the but the

00:14:46 fact that you do it through through through being better yeah through competition through masculine

00:14:53 you know strength through um strategy sweat and occasionally blood and those yeah there's

00:14:58 strategy but there's also element right but there's also aggression even violence um and

00:15:04 it's male only and and people actually turn out to watch it yeah is i mean our country is super

00:15:13 gay i think we like we we don't know what's not gay greatest reason to love the nfl there is not

00:15:19 a single gay man on any active nfl team roster only the past i think it was 2021 one man who

00:15:25 was gay or bisexual whatever ever took the field well 1800 there is still a gay man who's taking

00:15:31 the field in a cheerleaders that's in a oh there is a gay guy i just looked it up

00:15:38 all right nathan says there's a gay guy west is that there's zero gay guys we'll split the

00:15:44 difference half of a gay guy and by god's grace maybe we could make that a reality you know like

00:15:50 half of a gay guy on the field you just use your imagination of how that could be accomplished but 0.91

00:15:55 the point is yeah i think it's shocking it's 2025 we live in an effeminate culture and the fact that 0.94

00:16:01 you still have masculine aggression and people are turning out to watch is a positive so all that back

00:16:08 to cj's comment i agree with him in the sense that we're way too play uh placated and uh and

00:16:15 there are men who obsess about sports and uh and they should be angry about the corrupt elites 0.74

00:16:22 that we have in washington who are currently shielding pedophiles and taking that that jewish 0.88

00:16:29 pedophile recently and sending him to israel paying for his flight instead of giving justice 0.91

00:16:35 to the children, paying for his flight and sending him to Israel so that he can be harbored

00:16:42 and protected. And yes, we are a show that notices in terms of per capita, the most pedophiles

00:16:51 living free and protected in any nation that protects per capita, the most pedophiles is 0.74

00:16:58 the nation of Israel. And so, yeah, we should be upset about that. We should be upset about Epstein.

00:17:04 we should be upset upset that we're not getting mass deportations there's a lot of things that

00:17:08 we should be upset about we are placated but i just feel like at this point there was a time

00:17:12 where maybe most of the passivity was coming from just brain rot watching football at this point

00:17:20 i don't know like maybe 10 maybe 15 i feel like there's a lot of different culprits for brain rot

00:17:27 and football's probably the most benign i was about to say if anything even if it is brain

00:17:32 it is a one that prioritizes discipline excellence right like it clearly says hey not even this team

00:17:38 is good this player right one player wins nfl most valuable player in the year one man hey he was

00:17:44 better than everyone else he won more he was more skilled in the sport he was a more intelligent

00:17:48 quarterback so you're kind of saying like yeah it probably is but at least compared to i don't know

00:17:53 love island there's actually something natural hierarchical baked into it yeah and then what i

00:17:58 was saying earlier is with respect to like comparing football even to other sports is like

00:18:02 I think it's a lot more in line with what we actually should in principle love about sports

00:18:09 which is virtue formation so all of the things we've discussed discipline strength so on and so

00:18:14 forth through children ordered competition and so like all things equal we we prefer children to

00:18:19 learn in sort of walled garden right so a game provides a set of rules but it's still competition

00:18:25 someone wins someone loses their struggle but it's not bloodshed and so it uh football provides

00:18:32 that for men as well in a way that i think this is something that the ancients understood right

00:18:36 like uh sports athletic competition was always um so the goal was sort of like preparation for war

00:18:44 for young men and so even like you know olympic games and those sorts of things like a lot of

00:18:49 those things the javelin throw comes to mind are actually just simulations of war and so um but

00:18:56 here's the thing it becomes placation when there's actually no struggle that men experience so they

00:19:01 participate in it but they don't go on to leverage those things in in a in a real arena church home

00:19:08 polit you know politics so on and so forth that's those lessons aren't applied yeah that's a good

00:19:13 point it's like it's one thing to train your body for a task you know to defend home and country and

00:19:21 family um it's it's another thing when it's like it's an end in itself it becomes you know like

00:19:28 like okay these men are training at the highest level to do what um to throw a ball right and it's

00:19:35 like but yeah it's a ball today but eventually it'll be you know conquering other nations and

00:19:42 defending their country and and they're on it nope it's just throwing the ball right and when

00:19:47 they're done with that they're gonna do you know a subway commercial sure let's end it with this

00:19:51 this is aaron mcintyre and i think this is the best take of the back and forth and then we'll

00:19:54 get to kind of the more historical like you're talking about what did men used to do sports for

00:19:58 and what's their place so aaron said this by the way check out aaron on tucker great interview from

00:20:02 the bit i caught of it he was just on today but he said this there's a certain level of i and i

00:20:06 never got over being stuffed in a locker that is often concealed by being too principled to enjoy

00:20:11 sports ball as in he's saying like at a certain level if you're so good that you can never

00:20:15 recognize any value for it like you you might be a nerd spectator sports have been central to many

00:20:20 great civilizations most notably the byzantians who had several political crises he's centered

00:20:24 around allegiance to different chariot racing teams we've got to go back that isn't always a

00:20:29 positive the coliseum and the hippodrome can be seen as signs of decadence and decay but it is

00:20:34 entirely normal phenomenon the best critique of this is the consumer nature of the enterprise

00:20:39 men who in no way engage in the activity but are obsessing over it the online right would be better

00:20:44 off encouraging active involvement in local sporting leagues which builds fitness character

00:20:50 and community than just sniping at sports in general i think that's a super level-headed

00:20:54 reasonable take yep that is that is uh by the way the the verdict has come back in and wes you were

00:21:00 right so nathan uh he got up from the soundboard and working the cameras to run in here and interrupt

00:21:06 this broadcast to bring us fake news so nathan we appreciate that yeah he so nathan we just want

00:21:12 we want to publicly say he came into here interrupted the stream to tell us fake news

00:21:17 and say that you were wrong but you're actually right there are currently no gay men in the in

00:21:21 the in that no actively openly homosexual in terms of the players in terms of the players in terms of

00:21:27 the coaches there's a gay coach in terms of the cheerleaders i mean any male cheerleader is for

00:21:32 sure gay but even cheerleaders it's funny i don't see any women that are 300 pounds out there as

00:21:36 cheerleaders even in the decadent parts of it they kind of recognize that and that's kind of what i'm 0.98

00:21:40 saying is it's like it seems like the one hangover of 1980s culture where it's like uh women are

00:21:48 like actually they're not fat they're actually in shape they're attractive and the men are actually

00:21:53 masculine it's like the homecoming you know king and queen right like just kind of living in a in

00:21:59 a time capsule you know being preserved and uh and in that sense i think that's i think that's

00:22:04 part of the appeal i think a lot of people there is a nostalgia attached with you know they're

00:22:10 they're remembering um a better a better time a better america they're remembering their their

00:22:16 dad you know they're remembering their family there's all those kinds of things so i i think

00:22:22 we're going to kind of have like a pretty pretty like like orin a pretty reasoned take on this

00:22:28 like i think there are out of the hundred things that that i hate most in america currently the

00:22:36 nfl doesn't make my list of the top 100 right so i think like fairly benign all things considered

00:22:41 um yet at the same time yeah like right now um we should probably uh be riding in the streets

00:22:50 and not just watching, you know, the next game.

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00:24:38 only all right guys patreon exclusive daniel woodward had a great comment patreon exclusive

00:24:45 it's a stream where joel is a commentator for sports ball and just has disdain for the whole

00:24:49 thing it would be it would be funny if i had disdain the whole time but also if uh if i was

00:24:54 just insufferable and it was like it wasn't just me but it was me and you guys and it was me uh

00:24:59 asking questions the whole time like what are they doing why is he throwing the ball

00:25:04 how come he's running backwards what does it flag mean it's just the entire time it's a pass

00:25:09 i don't know it's a run oh okay he gave another comment what did he say nate the african-american

00:25:14 gentleman has now caught the ball and has been tackled by a heritage american on the other team

00:25:21 well first that would never happen uh secondly he's daniel woodward this was another one of

00:25:26 his comments he was saying joel would you know he'd be commenting the african-american has got

00:25:30 the ball the heritage american has tackled him uh no it would be the other way around it would be

00:25:35 uh there's one heritage american on the field and he has gotten slaughtered he's done we're so over

00:25:41 yeah it would be funny um i think we could maybe get a few signups but uh i think that would be

00:25:46 like a one episode wonder and then uh everyone and then it's way too played out everyone would

00:25:51 be saying never again yeah never again is now james lindsey would say never again okay what

00:25:57 else you guys want to talk about yeah so one thing i i think we could talk about uh so we've

00:26:02 already sort of a first off talked about the story itself and i think we've started to allude to

00:26:06 some of the uh principle uh you know principled values in sports virtue formation so on and so

00:26:13 forth one other thing that i i think we should talk about is is the way that sports actually

00:26:19 becomes and the arena if you will the competitive arena becomes a a place for uh common cultural

00:26:26 worship and an expression of cultural customs so historically if we look at the olympic games

00:26:33 the olympic games weren't just about competition they weren't just about um a place where someone

00:26:38 can say hey i can throw this thing further and that means that i would be a better soldier

00:26:42 theoretically these also also were places where it worship was being done there were dedications

00:26:48 to the gods there were sacrifices being made so so on and so forth yeah and i think um you could

00:26:54 also say that football and sports generally but football let's say baseball maybe has also been

00:27:00 in in the american ethos a place where that expression has been had so you think about you

00:27:06 know as singing you know singing the national anthem you think about the f-16s flying overhead

00:27:11 an expression of sort of patriotism you think about um hymns being sung at the beginning of

00:27:18 prayers being made at the beginning of games which has happened historically pretty regularly

00:27:22 and you and it starts to become clear that okay there's there's something more going on

00:27:26 than simply um an expression of sort of like masculine strength like clearly we're all coming

00:27:31 to the table and we're using this as a as a medium as a forum for us to show that we we're all like

00:27:38 each other that we love one another we love what we uh who we are so um and that historically has

00:27:44 been um where uh the the sort of role that competition has served as well and i think uh

00:27:50 But to Oren's point about the Byzantine Empire and them having political controversies centered around sports is a great indication that that's true.

00:28:01 That we're coming and saying, no, this team represents this ethos. 0.99

00:28:05 That team, that chariot racing team represents that ethos.

00:28:08 And this is some sort of like simulated battle where we're going to see what wins, what wins out.

00:28:15 But now it seems like it's not whether but which.

00:28:17 so that's still happening these these sacraments or you know rituals to the gods except now instead

00:28:24 of you know an american flag or the star-spangled banner it's you know in the end zone um uh racism

00:28:32 needs to end or whatever right right so now it's the social justice gods you know or blm or

00:28:37 whatever but that's a that's a really good point it is like the virtue of masculine strength like

00:28:43 there is there is some good um with professional sports but uh but you're right there always was

00:28:49 it was always that's part of it and that matters but there was always something more it really was

00:28:54 in some ways religious it wasn't just a pastime and i i would since since you brought that up i

00:29:00 think it's a good segue to at least one more point that wes you already alluded to but it should be

00:29:05 said um clearly and explicitly um if it's if it's not meant to be religious then why did why did you

00:29:13 put it on america's religious day right like the fact that it's um that it's sunday right it could

00:29:20 have been any other day of the week especially you know it's like well other days or work days

00:29:24 okay saturday it could have been on saturday and you know i understand uh from those who do watch

00:29:30 sports i've been reliably informed that it was um originally all the way back in like 1920 i think

00:29:35 is when they started making the switch to you know football being on sunday and it was at least the

00:29:39 national football league the national football league and it was to differentiate you know to

00:29:44 um so that it wouldn't completely overshadow and eclipse college sports and that was part of the

00:29:49 reasoning um but i will say um i you know i'm a pragmatist in many ways um but my pragmatism

00:29:58 is always going to be ultimately subservient to my principles.

00:30:03 I'm a Christian, first and foremost, and I believe in the law of God,

00:30:09 and I believe that the fourth commandment, the Sabbath,

00:30:12 that it is an immutable and eternal binding commandment,

00:30:18 and I do think that football is a breach of it.

00:30:22 And so the idea that on the Lord's Day,

00:30:24 that, you know, grown men would be, you know, tailgating in a parking lot to watch a football

00:30:31 game or sitting on the couch. I don't believe that that is a permissible way to honor the

00:30:37 Sabbath. You look at the Westminster Confession, you look at the 1689 Confession, it's not just

00:30:43 ceasing from work, but it's also ceasing. They use the word recreation. And that doesn't mean,

00:30:49 you know, like you can go, you know, obviously there are varying degrees of how far you take

00:30:53 that like um can my family you know we went to church in the morning we're going to go back to

00:30:59 church in the evening and uh can we have a picnic in the park and what happens if you know my three

00:31:04 year old son um you know throws a ball to me and asked me to catch you know like i i think that's

00:31:10 a little bit different but when it's like grown men professional paid athletes um and it's and

00:31:17 it's an industry and like it is a business and you're patroning that business and it's not like

00:31:23 you're just interacting with your family you know and uh in you know in community and relationship

00:31:29 but you're actually just in many cases ignoring your family sitting on the couch tuning in um

00:31:35 i you know i think yeah i don't i don't think that that's uh sabbatarian and and i do think

00:31:41 that america was a better place when it honored the sabbath and it's been especially hard i've

00:31:45 loved nfl football in the past but rarely i've ever watched anymore and one of the hardest things

00:31:49 to get around and are and puts the pin on it is actually the consumer culture so it's not just on

00:31:54 the lord's day watching people break the sabbath to work but you're also by virtue of the commercials

00:31:58 and the advertisements that be that are being shown you're just consuming and bringing in instead

00:32:02 of thinking on the lord upon thinking on the scriptures upon worship you're bringing in and

00:32:07 the best word for it is slop sloppy food sloppy products just things that add no value to your

00:32:12 life it's got music it's got colors it's got lewd dancing it's got all of these things to try to get

00:32:17 you to buy it to try to get you to gamble and like you're going to sit down on the lord's day and for

00:32:21 three hours just let more and more and more of that come in when you're already watching people

00:32:26 break the sabbath at least personally for me in my conscience if you can't do it because of well

00:32:30 they're busy or that well they're working on the sabbath okay but can you at least recognize that

00:32:34 what you're bringing in the seventh day is a sabbath to the lord your god like recognizing

00:32:39 that what i take in on this day matters i've been given six days to work right six days you shall

00:32:44 labor. Believe it or not, right? The five-day work week, the Bible says six. Maybe that's five days

00:32:49 for your nine-to-five. That's one more for the side hustle, working around the home. But you've

00:32:53 given six days to labor, six days to watch college football on a Saturday. But the Sabbath, the one 0.95

00:32:58 day, is a Sabbath to the Lord. So even if you can get over, well, they're working, but I'm not on

00:33:03 the couch. Can you at least, by virtue of what's coming into your brain, say, I just really do not

00:33:08 want that in my brain. And most especially, if your TV's in the center of your room, your living

00:33:13 room i don't want that my kid's brain on the sabbath no we just got back from church where

00:33:17 we worship the lord i'm not now coming in shoving that out of the way and like here's taco bell 0.98

00:33:22 commercials and here's t-mobile commercials and here's just consumeristic junk fill your brain

00:33:27 with that on sunday no i can't do that yeah yeah and it's gotten worse too i was just thinking

00:33:33 about for sure uh you know as i've like watched you know game here and there in the past how much

00:33:39 how they've just found all sorts of creative ways to like throw in advertisements so now it's not

00:33:43 just commercial breaks um every now and then now they have scheduled commercial breaks and it's not

00:33:48 just in the commercial breaks that where you'll see commercials but you'll see commercials in the

00:33:52 live you know the the play as well so team goes back to the huddle hey here's an advertisement

00:33:57 for this cam by verizon exactly it's terrible it really is everywhere it's just totally saturated

00:34:02 um and so it's it's just almost impossible to not just be completely inundated and

00:34:08 honestly won't i wouldn't expect it's long before you have you know on the jerseys and on the

00:34:14 helmets and those sorts of things advertisements as well so are there are there um because i'm

00:34:19 ignorant to this but are there nfl games on saturday there are they've started to do it a

00:34:24 little bit more now especially towards the ends of the season thanksgiving we'll have games christmas 0.86

00:34:29 they have monday christmas eve we'll have games yeah mondays and thursdays yeah i knew that like

00:34:34 monday and thursday but what about saturday i'm specifically asking some on saturdays towards the

00:34:39 end of the season i think it's especially as like college football wraps up because they're

00:34:42 competing with college football which ends in like anything to make an extra dime for the nfl

00:34:46 yeah well i'm wondering i'm wondering like you know like the stated reason is not wanting to

00:34:52 overlap with college football but i'm also wondering like how many owners of you know

00:34:59 the nfl league um maybe like maybe maybe it's not you know it's not weather but which so maybe like

00:35:05 there still is a holy day there still is a sabbath but for those who are personally involved you know

00:35:12 in in terms of ownership in the you know the national football league for them their holy

00:35:17 day isn't sunday maybe their holy day is saturday their seventh day adventist yeah yeah it's the

00:35:21 seventh day adventist that's what it is uh 10 to 32 nfl team owners are jewish do you think about

00:35:29 they're about two to three percent of the population that's what i'm about 30 40 of the

00:35:32 owners of nfl teams yeah it doesn't help it's one of those things it's like you can you shoot in the

00:35:37 dark you know but um there's some targets that are just so large that you can shoot in the dark

00:35:43 and hit 10 out of 32 times you know like it's like how did he know how did how did he guess

00:35:49 200 in a row you know the laws of average are are ever on your side let's transition to for sons so

00:35:56 we've talked about the commercial aspect the big the league the national locally aren't encouragement

00:36:01 i think it's a good one you should do sports but locally uh i think of anthony eslin's book

00:36:07 defending boyhood it's a great book on boyhood and one of the things he points out in sports is that

00:36:11 your sons if you put your son on a sports team where there's reasonable competitions we're not

00:36:15 talking t-ball at four or soccer at three we're talking like he plays tackle football he plays

00:36:20 hockey he plays some other sport well what's going to happen is uh and men do this really well men

00:36:25 recognize a hierarchy so your son is going to go in there and it's not just going to be his siblings

00:36:29 who he's older than or younger than it's not going to be his parents but he's going to go on a team

00:36:33 and he's going to realize hey uh there are three kids that are faster than me hey and this person

00:36:38 is more inspiring and this person is better at this and uh and he's going to gain the skill and

00:36:42 It's a very valuable skill for men to recognize I'm not the fastest and I'm not the best,

00:36:47 but I'm going to follow the guy that is.

00:36:49 And maybe he is the fastest and the best.

00:36:51 Then for him to recognize and say, hey, I actually have a skill and talent that God

00:36:54 has given me and I'm better in this domain than other people.

00:36:57 Now, what service I give to them then is to humbly do my best to lead, to inspire.

00:37:03 Nathan said earlier over lunch, it teaches you how to miss, how to fail and to get back

00:37:08 up.

00:37:08 You took that shot, you missed.

00:37:10 You swung, you missed.

00:37:11 You fumbled the football.

00:37:11 okay we can go home and cry about it or you can learn the very manly art go back out there son

00:37:18 and try again right so as far as at a personal local level that is the place actually i think

00:37:23 to as much as possible as much as your sons have interest we got to be honest some kids won't be

00:37:27 into it but as much as possible and the environment can be conducive and wholesome absolutely go out

00:37:33 there compete win and learn to be disciplined to strive to achieve to get back up after you've

00:37:39 fallen right we would all agree with that perspective absolutely and i think even beyond

00:37:42 the individual level that the community level so you think about your local you know your local

00:37:48 sports your football team and they're going to play communities around your area and finding

00:37:53 like civic pride in that and that being sort of a cultural focus point um is important as well

00:37:59 but going back to your point i think individual level is really important because i think sports

00:38:04 can be illustrative of life lessons, or you could say biblical lessons. I don't think it's

00:38:10 surprising that Paul uses the analogy of running a race, right? And the physical nature of that

00:38:20 in the way that it's analogous to a spiritual race. And so you think about all the things

00:38:26 that make you successful runner, it's discipline, it's endurance. All of these things are virtues.

00:38:32 and sports provides a medium or a forum where you can that that can be tested and it can be

00:38:40 shored up for a child as they as they grow and learn and so I do think it can reinforce virtue

00:38:45 it can punish vice you think about you know the hot-headed you know defensive player who's just

00:38:52 out there trying to hit anything and meanwhile they're just throwing the ball right over his

00:38:57 head and just scoring and scoring and scoring what is he learning he's learning that behaving

00:39:01 in anger is is not a good it's not a mature strategy it's not a winning strategy so maybe

00:39:07 i should change it so on and so forth and so children learn that way i think it's a good

00:39:11 context for them to learn and and to the extent that they are interested and i think there's a

00:39:15 little bit of obligation for parents to tease out interest as well especially early on to say hey

00:39:21 you're going to try this thing you don't need to be interested in it you don't need to have a

00:39:25 sustained interest, but you're going to try it. You can expose the children and eventually they're

00:39:31 going to find some kind of physical outlet that I think will be appropriate. One more thing real

00:39:38 quick about the Sabbath. When you look at Exodus chapter 20, it's you or your sons or your daughters

00:39:46 or your male servants or your female servants or your oxen or your donkey or the sojourner who's

00:39:52 within your midst, that all of them are commanded by God, according to the Sabbath law, to be given

00:39:59 rest. And so I was just thinking, as you were talking earlier about Wes, you know, with, you

00:40:05 know, well, I'm not playing, you know, I'm sitting on the couch, I'm resting. It's also releasing

00:40:11 your servants and any patroning of someone who is employed on the Sabbath and required to work

00:40:19 on the sabbath by patroning them um you're you are you are in some sense you are their master

00:40:26 right like they're they're working for you they would not work they would pick another day they

00:40:32 would shut down you know if um if you weren't watching it's only because you know everybody's

00:40:37 coming out they're buying tickets they're turning on the television they're watching the ads

00:40:41 it's only because they're getting the viewership um that they are then required to work on that

00:40:47 particular day. So there is an argument to be made. And, you know, the, again, Westminster and

00:40:53 1689, they cite Nehemiah, I believe it's chapter 13, where there are people who are not Israelites,

00:41:01 but they're coming up to the wall, to the gates of Israel and wanting to buy and sell. They're

00:41:10 merchants that are traveling. They keep coming on the Sabbath. And, you know, and it's said to them,

00:41:15 there's six days in the week that you can come and do this if you come and do this again 0.92

00:41:20 i believe the text says uh i will lay hands on you like i'm going to physically beat you

00:41:25 um and so uh the the point is that it's uh even it's not just um that you're okay well i'm actually

00:41:33 on the field playing um football but it's um but the purchasing and selling the transaction the

00:41:40 you know, the activity in the market on the Lord's day. There is a strong biblical example not to do

00:41:48 that. And I know that feels foreign to us. We're like, oh, that's legalism or that's way too far.

00:41:52 That is what all of our Christian, you know, forebearers held to. That may be foreign to us,

00:41:59 but that was the common interpretation for the Sabbath for a very long time. I think of

00:42:05 um thomas watson like he he cites when he's talking about the fourth commandment the sabbath

00:42:11 he cites as an example um a fire like a historic fire forget the name of it uh that broke out in

00:42:17 london and in typical puritan fashion like people think like oh man you know well you just said this

00:42:22 matter of fact you know and like uh but you know you're you're assuming you're speculating that

00:42:28 that's all the puritans ever did was speculate that's literally all they would ever do for

00:42:32 better or for worse yeah i mean charles like charles spurgeon you know he he wasn't a puritan

00:42:36 not in the technical sense some call him the last of the puritans but um but you know he like he

00:42:41 would take a text like a sower went out to sow and then he preached like you know a thousand

00:42:46 sermons just on on that and it's like you know about five percent exegesis and 95 percent

00:42:52 speculation well thomas watson he looks at this historic event of this fire that broke out in

00:42:56 london and he said um uh because uh because you would not honor heaven on and he he relates he

00:43:04 doesn't say oh i think no it's matter of fact he says uh god sent a fire to london to burn you

00:43:11 alive and people died a lot of people died in this fire and it was sent by god according to

00:43:16 thomas watson as a direct uh punishment judgment for breaking the sabbath and he the wording that

00:43:22 he uses is because you guys were visiting the marketplace because you had stores open and were

00:43:28 engaging in in the market on uh the lord's day on the sabbath and so he basically says because you

00:43:35 would not honor heaven on the sabbath god has brought up hell um with the fire and and no

00:43:42 parenthetical statement no disclaimer no you know he's just like that's what happened you guys broke

00:43:47 the sabbath and god uh burned you alive you know and like i i don't know i mean it's a bit strong

00:43:53 but i'm just saying that's how people thought um that's how our our fourth fathers thought and that

00:44:00 was the position that has been held uh for a very long time until relatively recent um in the last

00:44:08 hundred years and and really even less than that i mean depending on which local you know place

00:44:15 that you you lived in like i you know i grew up in texas and uh in texas you know you couldn't you

00:44:21 couldn't buy liquor on sunday you know when i was a kid i think even still in georgetown like most

00:44:27 of the liquor stores are closed on sunday yeah and there were also like a lot of grocery stores

00:44:32 that you know and storefronts that uh would not open until uh noon on sunday and it's like why

00:44:37 well it's because you're supposed to be in church and so and and that's not just 100 years ago like

00:44:43 in the 1920s but stretching in even into the 2000s and so that's um that is our heritage

00:44:51 our heritage is sabbatarian you look at america you look at its history america was a sabbath

00:44:58 honoring nation we had blue laws sabbath laws on the books um for a very long time for the majority

00:45:05 of our country's history and i do think that the nfl um has i don't know whether by coincidence

00:45:13 you know or by design um the nfl is one of the uh most blasphemous sabbath breaking

00:45:23 organizations institutions that we currently have in america with zero regard for the sabbath and

00:45:29 not just because we're open 24 7 no like we yeah we do some events here and we do them there but

00:45:35 we save the bulk of what we do knowing that the whole country will tune in and we we hand select

00:45:42 the lord's day to do it on september through february there will be football on we can promise

00:45:46 i mean the nfl is actively competing with church right like it used to be the lord's day and now

00:45:53 it's uh it's the pigskin day and uh that's i think that that's a problem let's go to our last

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00:51:13 chat comes to us from smith123 uh that's not the full name but i just you cannot i don't care how

00:51:21 much money you give me um you are not going to make me read this name in its entirety live on

00:51:27 this show. So it's blank Smith, one, two, three. And he asked this, he says, I don't want to blow

00:51:33 up your spot with Andrew Isker, but how does he justify taking money from the tech crowd, right?

00:51:41 So the tech right, your Peter Thiels and those kinds of guys, supporting Vance, having Claremont

00:51:46 Institute Straussians all over his homesteading project. I'll read it one more time. I don't want 0.86

00:51:53 to blow up your spot with Andrew Isker, but how does he justify taking money from the tech crowd, 0.88

00:51:59 supporting Vance, having Claremont Institute Straussians all over his homestead project?

00:52:04 All right. I guess the best way I can answer it is number one, Andrew Isker is amazing. He's a 0.51

00:52:12 good friend. He's done incredible work. Andrew Isker, lest we forget. He may want some of us

00:52:22 to forget but i i will not forget and i don't think we should forget because i think it was

00:52:25 noble and honorable and good but we're talking about the guy who co-wrote a book on christian

00:52:30 nationalism with an entire section devoted to uh israel and how it cannot be judeo-christian

00:52:36 nationalism and he co-wrote it with andrew torba the ceo of gap this was in like 20 22 this was

00:52:43 not that long ago i mean it came out like six months this was not six months ago the point is

00:52:48 this was like pre case for christian nationalism yeah it was but i'm yeah exactly i'm that's what

00:52:53 i'm saying he he beat uh he beat steven wolf to print um him and uh and andrew torba it was about

00:53:01 six months prior to the case for christian nationalism by dr steven wolf um but it wasn't

00:53:06 my point is it wasn't that long ago this was i think what 2022 sure in one sense it's not that

00:53:11 long ago in another sense it was early right it was yeah so so early enough to where um he wasn't

00:53:17 just you know trying to um to to ride you know on on the clout of something not like he really

00:53:25 like this is his convictions what he believes it's very clear um that he was doing it you know

00:53:30 from a place of virtue like i believe this i'm saying it before it's cool uh so early enough

00:53:36 uh to be authentic um but recent enough to where i don't think um i don't think it's fair uh to say

00:53:44 well, you know, Andrew Isker, he's not our guy. I don't think that's fair. We're talking about

00:53:50 2022, like three years ago. He's co-writing a book with Andrew Torba against, and for the record,

00:53:57 you know, some things I can say, some things I can't, but suffice it to say, against many people

00:54:04 trying to dissuade him from doing that. Many people telling him, you need to distance yourself

00:54:09 from andrew torba don't co-write a book with andrew torba um you could publish it with us

00:54:14 if andrew torba's name wasn't on it you need to cut ties and blah blah blah and we'll give you

00:54:18 this deal you know you'll have this opportunity um andrew isker paid a cost he did he paid a price

00:54:25 and uh and lost um opportunity he lost uh friendships um a lot of those things and not

00:54:32 because he did anything wrong because he refused to do something that would have been wrong

00:54:36 namely uh stabbing andrew torba in the back and uh and turning on him so um i appreciate um andrew

00:54:44 isker immensely and uh and he has been onto these things long before i realized them um you know

00:54:50 we've had conversations together and um and so uh andrew isker has done the reading andrew isker

00:54:57 um is aware of uh what's going on uh that said it is true that um that some of our guys and and i

00:55:06 think they're still our guys uh the guys that we love and that we think highly of and respect um

00:55:13 that they everybody's i predicted that i said this at our conference and i don't think people

00:55:19 understood what i was saying but it was prescient if i do say so myself it was i was right um at the

00:55:26 conference i remember people saying like hey you know like we've been through a lot of division

00:55:30 you know there was the antioch declaration you know with moscow and apologia and there's this

00:55:34 and there's that you know and there was uh over blm you know like it feels like our ranks you

00:55:39 know split right down the middle we lost half of our team you know we lost people you know we lost

00:55:44 good men on covid and we lost you know all these divisions it's like every six months the lord in

00:55:48 his providence from 2020 to 2024 was giving us like another test it was like another iq test

00:55:54 another iq test you know and or another virtue test another you know commitment test and at each

00:56:00 at each test you know it's like god was like whittling down the team you lose some more guys

00:56:05 you lose some more guys and i said at our conference i said it then and i think it's

00:56:08 all the more true i think it's exponentially more true now i said um now that uh trump is in office

00:56:16 and we've experienced um at a national scale um what you know what many of us thought at the time

00:56:24 was a victory um i said i think we will now experience more division not less more division

00:56:31 because at some level you have to realize that um division is a luxury of winning you have to like

00:56:38 in terms of intramural division um like home team divisions so you think of like like well you know 0.55

00:56:46 like we really um we really need to stick it to uh you know paedo baptist and the paedo baptist you 0.51

00:56:52 know if you're pedo baptist like we we gotta you know uh we gotta drag the the credo baptist um 0.99

00:56:59 yeah maybe maybe when the orcs aren't inside the camp uh maybe when we don't have gay furries 0.99

00:57:06 you know like maybe maybe we wait for that like maybe get rid of the gay furries and transing kids 1.00

00:57:12 and and aborting you know millions of babies in their mother's wombs like uh and importing 1.00

00:57:18 tens of millions of foreigners and being completely invaded by Muslims and being 0.99

00:57:24 completely controlled by Jews. Maybe we get rid of some of those things and then we can 1.00

00:57:32 have our debates and hash it out over credo versus paedo-baptism. So when I look at Christendom

00:57:41 and you look at all this, I mean, it's just filled with this debate after this debate after

00:57:45 this debate, Erasmus and Luther, and like all these things, like it's, Christendom is filled

00:57:51 with fighting, infighting. But I think part of the reason it's so filled with infighting is because

00:57:57 during the days of Christendom, they had the luxury of infighting. They won. They won. We

00:58:03 haven't won yet. We're not even close. Like, oh, you're going to be sick of winning. I'm not sick

00:58:08 of winning, not even close, I would love to get one win, one win. Like, where are the mass

00:58:15 deportations? Where are the Epstein files? Where's this? Where's that? We're not winning. We are just

00:58:22 losing through a different direction. We're just losing in a different way. So yeah, so I think

00:58:31 that if we get to the place where we are experiencing some really serious victory,

00:58:36 then we can have some of these squabbles in the meantime um i think no enemies on the right

00:58:42 stands true i think it's a good strategy i also think that it's uh not only is it good

00:58:48 pragmatically um but i also think it's good in terms of principle and virtue um i think there's

00:58:55 there's something there's something to be said for um for friendship and friendship should not

00:59:01 be thrown away, light, you know, like light with a light heart. We shouldn't treat friendship as

00:59:09 though it's trivial. But all that being said, yes, you have probably noticed the question,

00:59:14 the question makes sense. It's not a, I don't want to disparage the person who asked the question.

00:59:19 It's a fair question because what I think people are noticing is that right response is taking

00:59:27 a different path. We are recognizing, and maybe we turn out to be wrong, and maybe we have egg

00:59:37 on our face. And if it comes to that, then we will do our best to own our mistakes, own where we're

00:59:44 wrong um but we we are of the persuasion that um that there are some serious uh serious threats

00:59:55 and uh potential pitfalls uh in our current administration um we we don't feel like we're

01:00:03 winning i i feel i'll speak for myself um i think that we have a different trump uh than we had

01:00:10 in 2016 through 2020 um i i don't think that trump is operating um the way that he once did

01:00:19 um i i don't think that he uh has the rigor that he once did um jd vance i think there's a lot of

01:00:28 good things that jd vance has has done and said um and yet at the same time i think we're being

01:00:34 naive if we don't recognize that JD Vance has ties to certain individuals strong ties that are

01:00:42 absolutely concerning so yeah so those are the differences there are guys I think who are good

01:00:51 guys they are still on our team but they are they are planned trusters and whenever you know another

01:01:00 bad thing happens another bad thing happens it goes from 40 chest to 5d to 60 to 70 and right

01:01:06 now you know like yes we've got some guys who we love who are adamant um that uh that what we're

01:01:13 really seeing is 47 you know degree chests and and we're we're just not convinced i'm not convinced

01:01:21 i'm thinking well it could be 47 d chest or we could have been duped and i think we to to at

01:01:29 least consider the possibility that maybe we've been duped um is is vital um so yeah i think

01:01:36 there's some good things that come out of natcon and there are some things that i do not like um

01:01:41 some things that are concerning um and so yeah so uh yeah i there there are differences that i

01:01:50 would hold to uh that that other guys would not hold to but i think i think we have to have

01:01:56 categories of, um, this is a guy pulling the strings versus this is a good guy who is making

01:02:05 his calculus one way and I'm making it a different way. Um, and, and if, and when, by the grace of

01:02:12 God, we come out the other side successful, we're going to, um, hug it out and make amends. And

01:02:20 one of us will say, yeah, you were right, man. I was wrong. I was, you know, I was too hard on

01:02:25 trump you know or uh you know what i um i i earned you know a few fell for it again badges you know

01:02:32 along over the last couple years um and i think andrew isker cj angle these kind of you guys know

01:02:39 who the guys are um i think that these are solid men because i know them personally and i think

01:02:45 they're the kind of men who um who if it if it is as nefarious as i think um things might be

01:02:52 they they will they will be our guys they um they will come out and they'll say that's it

01:02:59 i'm off the train um i you know this i i went for this because i thought that it was a viable

01:03:05 strategy and uh and it's not now and that's become apparent and so i'm out and i absolutely

01:03:12 believe that andrew isker is one of those men i think that um andrew isker is a faithful guy

01:03:19 and um and i appreciate him and so no i'm not going to be ending relationships um over

01:03:26 i think trump is great versus i'm worried what's going to happen with trump or jd vance i'll say

01:03:33 this also um like i'm seeing today you know like uh all the the memes of like here's gavin newsome

01:03:40 with you know his all-white family you know and even the dog in the picture is white i saw a meme

01:03:46 you know like even the dog is white you know this is he's a chad he's the most heritage american

01:03:51 you know quintessential um and then here's jd vance and he's like in front of like some you

01:03:56 know taj mahal whatever you know and and dressed in indian hindu garb you know with his kids with

01:04:02 flowers around their neck you know and his his you know hindu wife and uh yeah not not great um

01:04:09 not a great look. Uh, but if it comes down to, uh, Gavin Newsom and JD Vance, I want to be 1.00

01:04:16 abundantly clear. There's, there's no scenario on God's green earth where I will ever vote

01:04:21 for Gavin Newsom. Like we can't so quickly forget, like, yes, um, we, we want, we, we want

01:04:28 to be aware that there are, um, there are powers behind, you know, the curtain pulling strings.

01:04:34 that that is true um that is true at the same time gavin newsom hates america gavin newsom

01:04:42 hates you he like he's told us he's literally told us i hate you uh he's dining at the french 0.51

01:04:51 laundry as he locks you in your home gavin newsom promoted wokeness more than virtually 0.96

01:04:59 anyone our state promoting abortion so here in texas from california putting billboards 0.96

01:05:04 trying to get people to move back to california so that they could kill their babies gavin newsome 0.99

01:05:09 i mean that's so there's a new scum yeah new scum my point is this um i think there's a fine line 0.99

01:05:15 between um being wise as serpents and being innocent as doves so i like i don't think we 0.93

01:05:22 can just be uh got what i voted for got what i voted for like i know you guys are seeing some

01:05:27 of that from some of our guys who we love and honor and yeah it's it's annoying you know there

01:05:33 are times where i'm like i cringe a little bit and it's like oh dude i did not get what i voted

01:05:40 but what did you vote for like i thought we were voting for the same thing i'm not getting what i

01:05:44 voted for how are you getting what you voted for so yes i i think we can't be naive we need to be

01:05:50 aware that um jd vance could be great or he could turn out to be terrible he really could um and

01:05:57 yeah and we did a whole whole thing on jd vance and we posted we even cut it out and posted it

01:06:02 separately we did that last week so go if you want to know what what i'm talking about uh go

01:06:06 and watch that video i think it's only like 10 15 minutes long and so you can you can see our

01:06:10 whole thing on on jd vance and what our concerns are uh where we're hopeful and and where we're

01:06:15 concerned um but all that being said um yeah i think we can't afford to be naive we need to be

01:06:22 aware um that the tech right is not america first they're america first as though you know like the

01:06:29 NFL. Like if it's a sports team and all the players can be swapped out with Indians, then sure, 0.77

01:06:35 they're America first. But in terms of Americans first, Elon Musk is not for Americans. Peter 0.99

01:06:42 Thiel is not for Americans. Alex Karp is not for Americans. J.D. Vance may be for Americans.

01:06:50 He's said some things that is pro-American and I want to be hopeful. But at the same time,

01:06:54 I also want to not be naive and see, okay, but who is he partnered with? Who is he beholden to?

01:07:01 Where has he taken money? How did he win that Senate race? Did he get like the biggest

01:07:07 contribution towards the Senate race that anybody's ever gotten? And okay, who made that contribution?

01:07:12 How did he become a successful VC guy who never actually even showed up to the office?

01:07:17 How did, you know, how did these things happen? Like, I'm not, I don't want to be stupid. 0.99

01:07:21 I don't want to be stupid. 1.00

01:07:23 At the same time, though, it's not a Christian virtue to blackpill all the time. 0.99

01:07:28 So we don't want to be stupid, but we do want to be hopeful. 0.98

01:07:31 I mean, read the Bible. 0.98

01:07:32 The whole Old Testament is just story after story after story

01:07:35 where it seems as though all hope is lost and the Lord can win by many or by few.

01:07:42 It happens time and time again where the Israelites are outnumbered 10 to 1, 100 to 1,

01:07:48 and then their enemies just the spirit of god moves and the enemies start turning on each other

01:07:53 in a stupor and start slaughtering each other um so i want to be hopeful like star wars um has 0.91

01:08:00 gotten to the point where it's it's uh you can't say it positively star wars is gay you know it's

01:08:05 a little game but i will give one star wars illustration please forgive me i know it's

01:08:10 a bit cringe um but it's like i think of jd vance as like anakin it's like you know anakin you're

01:08:17 chosen one to balance the force. Well, it could be balancing the force by creating, you know,

01:08:23 a dark, you know, empire. Like it could be balancing the force in another direction. It's

01:08:27 like, well, he was the chosen one, turns out, but not the way we thought. But then even in that

01:08:33 scenario, like that, you know, that the natural affections of, you know, being a father and these

01:08:40 kinds of things, they finally come back through at the very end. He ends up being the guy who,

01:08:45 you know, throws the emperor, you know, off the ship and, and wins the day. And I could see, I,

01:08:50 I just, I think that we don't want to be naive, but we don't also, we also don't want to pretend

01:08:55 omniscience. So that's, so yeah, so I'm a little bit, there are some guys who are further to the

01:09:01 right. They're like, to the point where they would vote for Gavin Newsom over JD Vance. I think that's

01:09:06 retarded. I'm, I'm not, I'm not in that position. And then there are other guys who are like, you 1.00

01:09:12 know like not tired of winning got what i voted for you know like uh and i i think that's i won't 0.94

01:09:18 call it retarded but i yeah it's a little bit and it's at least certainly naive i'm somewhere in 0.84

01:09:23 between i feel like uh jd vance and at the when it's all said and done he could come back and uh 0.84

01:09:31 and throw peter teal you know over the rail into you know into the reactor core reactor down at the

01:09:37 bottom uh when it's all said and done and and his his true you know natural affections from birth

01:09:43 and being born in appalachia and being a true american could shine through and win the day or

01:09:50 um he could betray us all and i could see it going either way you know it could be that he

01:09:58 just gives more control to palantir to develop facial recognition so that um we get what we

01:10:04 voted for and what we voted for turns out to be uh being thrown in jail for anti-semitism

01:10:08 like that's a real possibility and so i think guys on our team that we love

01:10:14 who aren't talking about that at all uh because they're trusting the plan

01:10:20 yeah i wish that they would talk about it um but i still love those guys i think they're good guys

01:10:27 and uh and i am trusting that when push comes to shove um if things really do get that dark

01:10:36 that those guys will come back uh in the bottom of the ninth and and they'll stand with us shoulder

01:10:41 to shoulder um and they won't just uh betray us um and so yeah i'm not going to um i'm not going

01:10:49 to turn my back on friends um when things are still very very i think we all just have to have

01:10:56 some humility and admit that things are muddy. Like none of us are operating with 2020 vision

01:11:02 right now. All of us are seeing dimly and we can see some of the pieces that could end up meaning

01:11:08 this and some pieces over here that could end up meaning that. And for any of us to pretend

01:11:14 omniscience I think is arrogant. So yeah, I think Andrew Isker is our guide and we will see what

01:11:22 happens with vance we'll see what happens with palantir we'll see what happens with the trump

01:11:26 administration if we ever get the mass deportations if we get this if we get that and i think as the

01:11:32 pieces come back in and they're empirical and it becomes clear um then i believe that our guys when

01:11:39 things become clear if we end up being right in our reservations our guys will will come back

01:11:45 around and be like all right i'm standing standing with you and um yeah and so i i believe that

01:11:53 yeah all right next one answer inevitable oh boy inevitable kerfuffle yep inevitable kerfuffle

01:12:00 $10 super chat thanks so much is that a uh is that a veggie tales avatar it is it's an angry larry

01:12:06 all right uh he said this i want to learn more about church history any protestant apologist

01:12:12 you guys would recommend.

01:12:13 I found Cleave to Antiquity

01:12:15 and learned a lot from his content

01:12:16 on EO slash RCC,

01:12:18 Roman Catholic Church,

01:12:19 from a Protestant perspective.

01:12:21 The guy I can think of that's active.

01:12:23 I hate to say it.

01:12:25 I thought it.

01:12:26 Don't say it.

01:12:27 Just don't even say it.

01:12:28 I think we have to.

01:12:30 Gavin Ortlin.

01:12:31 Gavin Newsom.

01:12:31 Gavin Ortlin.

01:12:32 Gavin Ortlin on Eastern Orthodox is good.

01:12:36 Yeah.

01:12:36 He's got good stuff 0.71

01:12:37 from white Protestantism 0.57

01:12:38 over and against the other traditions.

01:12:40 He's done the reading.

01:12:41 He knows what he's talking about.

01:12:42 when it comes to culture when it comes to other things he's absolutely terrible see the last name

01:12:46 and slightly more based uh the other paul he's anglican but he does a lot of history stuff he

01:12:50 was on our channel i think it was almost like two hours did a really good deep dive in like

01:12:54 relation to the state to the church so the other paul gavin ortland and tony i think you mentioned

01:12:58 some uh lectures oh yeah i mean i would just generally point people to ligonier i think

01:13:03 ligonier is a good resource for this sort of thing um podcasts and whatnot um i think particularly

01:13:08 if you're interested in an interpretation of church history, you think of the early church

01:13:12 fathers and those sort of thing, through a Protestant positive sort of framework. Nick

01:13:18 Needham, I think it is, he's got a relationship with Ligonier. He might have published this work

01:13:24 through Ligonier, but it's called 2,000 Years of Christ's Power. It's essentially just a multi-volume

01:13:30 history of the Christian church. He walks through the early Christian church all the way through

01:13:36 the many popes so on and so forth through the great um schism um all the way up into the

01:13:41 reformation so and beyond actually so um that's a work that uh comes highly recommended um so

01:13:46 worth checking out cool if you want a more sort of academic deep dive in that sort of thing nice

01:13:51 all right all right captain reba 20 super chat this is actually two parts we sent two 20 super

01:13:58 chats really appreciate it and he says this my wife is pregnant with our fourth two earth side

01:14:03 kids and one in heaven after an early 2025 miscarriage this pregnancy now may threaten

01:14:08 her life and our original doctor urged abortion we found a pro-life ob ob-gyn to help us to move

01:14:14 the cursor nate but a close christian relative insists we listen to the doctor and terminate

01:14:20 for her sake how do we deal with the betrayal we feel from someone that should love this child

01:14:25 arguing to essentially murder it yeah that's hard well the first thing that i would say is this

01:14:33 In the case of a threat to the life of the mother, there is no scenario where a baby has to be killed to save the life of a mother.

01:14:42 The baby has to be born.

01:14:44 And that's an important ethical distinction.

01:14:48 If the mother's life is being threatened by the pregnancy, it's because she needs to deliver the baby, not because she needs to kill the baby.

01:14:57 So that's right there already a massive ethical distinction.

01:15:02 and so I'm not a doctor. I can't give you medical advice but as a Christian, as a pastor, I can give

01:15:09 moral counsel and I would say that if at all possible, you know, trying to carry the baby

01:15:18 as close to full term as possible and then looking at delivering the baby prematurely

01:15:25 through a c-section or whatever needs to be done but carrying the baby as long as your wife can

01:15:33 without her life being jeopardized because I don't know the particular situation in your case

01:15:43 but I think it's probably a fairly safe assumption that the threat to the mother's life

01:15:50 will that threat will probably be most threatening um as you get later in pregnancy and not right

01:15:58 away and so uh if that's the case and it probably is then i would be looking at just taking it a day 1.00

01:16:04 at a time and going as long as she possibly can uh trying to get as close to full term as she can 0.92

01:16:11 and then if slash when it reaches the point where you have a a consensus from multiple sources

01:16:20 not friends but uh doctors saying uh if she goes longer you know it's like this is like it's you

01:16:27 know the child is going to kill her then at that point um then delivering the baby not killing the

01:16:34 baby but you know emergency c-section delivering the baby um the baby being in the icu nicu for

01:16:42 it may be that the baby has to be there for two months you know the baby's born um early but there

01:16:47 are stories after story after story of, um, with advances and, um, in medical care, there are

01:16:55 testimonies of babies being born at like 23 weeks now, 22 weeks, uh, basically, uh, just barely

01:17:02 over half, um, of, of a full term and the baby surviving and living. And so, um, that's, yeah,

01:17:11 that's the way that I would be thinking about it is, um, you're doing everything that you can

01:17:16 to protect and preserve the life of the mother,

01:17:21 but also giving your child the highest chances

01:17:26 that they can possibly have at survival.

01:17:30 And then looking at it in the province of God,

01:17:32 it's like, okay, we've got every single doctor

01:17:35 is now telling us we have to deliver the baby now.

01:17:42 Okay, so we're going to deliver the baby,

01:17:44 but we are not killing this baby.

01:17:46 We're delivering the baby.

01:17:48 And if the baby doesn't make it and dies,

01:17:50 then we're going to mourn the life of our child.

01:17:52 That's very different than we're going to have an abortion. 1.00

01:17:57 We're going to kill the baby. 0.98

01:17:58 And it was like, no, we delivered the baby 1.00

01:18:00 when we absolutely had to.

01:18:02 We went as long as we could.

01:18:05 And so what you're doing in that scenario

01:18:06 is you're trying to preserve both lives,

01:18:10 the life of the mother and the child.

01:18:12 And you were killing no one.

01:18:14 Someone may die, but it's not killing anyone.

01:18:18 There's a difference in someone dying versus murder,

01:18:21 a massive difference.

01:18:23 And so I would do, as it relates to your family member,

01:18:26 trying your best to explain that to them

01:18:31 and saying, this is our biblical ethics.

01:18:34 We want to, absolutely, I want to protect

01:18:37 the life of my wife, the mother of our child.

01:18:41 and I'm going to do everything to protect her life that I can without being overly fearful

01:18:49 and killing the life of our child.

01:18:53 And so we're trying to preserve both lives and telling them your plan, explaining to

01:18:59 them the ethics, and then letting them know, because it's probably, the advice you're getting

01:19:04 is probably from, I would imagine, maybe it's your mother-in-law, maybe it's the mom of

01:19:09 the wife or some somebody who's close to her and probably concerned about her and her health and

01:19:15 vitality and so you know doing your best to reassure them that um that you are not going to

01:19:22 be foolish and that you're not going to um yeah you that you're going to be wise you're going to

01:19:28 be careful you're going to uh you're going to uh do your best to preserve uh the life of your wife 0.99

01:19:36 and um but that you you want that the baby's going to be born prematurely and all those kinds

01:19:42 of things to preserve the mother's life but you're going to hold on as long as you can

01:19:46 without overly jeopardizing uh the wife's life so that the baby might also live i feel like that's

01:19:54 the best you can do i think too lord willing the baby will be born five six seven months

01:19:59 and then to health and there could be a moment then is what you should say the baby comes home

01:20:03 by God's grace. And we'll be praying that happens where you sit down and you say, listen to me,

01:20:07 there's this beautiful child here and we need to be honest. We don't have to talk about this again.

01:20:11 They never need to hear it. But you were advocating, advocating that I killed this child 0.84

01:20:15 and look what this has done. And you need to repent of that. You are a Christian.

01:20:19 You wanted to murder this life and to stay in contact with our family. You claim to be a 1.00

01:20:23 Christian. I need you to repent of that. We're never going to mention it again. We're not going to 1.00

01:20:27 hold it over your head. But that advice was not just foolish or wrong. It was 0.99

01:20:31 wicked but in the meantime just don't have the conversation let it play itself out deliver by

01:20:38 god's grace have the baby and then when the time comes say hey uh this turned out totally wrong 0.92

01:20:42 compared to what you thought would happen and uh the advice you gave was not just wrong off base

01:20:48 it was wicked yeah i that's that's a good good addition because that that is there's so many

01:20:54 testimonies like that where um it was you know just people you know people said like you've got

01:21:02 to do this you've got to you know you've got to abort the child you're being a monster you're not

01:21:06 caring about you know the mother and blah blah blah and there's so many stories where people 0.53

01:21:11 said no we're not going to do that and the child lives and the mother lives um again and again and

01:21:16 we just we we do have to recognize like it'd be one thing if it was the 1800s you know with

01:21:22 today's technology but like but those virtues and morals from the 1800s and you know everybody's

01:21:28 telling you you know and they're and they're telling you with tears in their eyes you know

01:21:31 like oh we don't want this baby to die but we you know like this is the only thing but we just have

01:21:36 to keep you have to keep in perspective um the context the large the broader context that we

01:21:41 live in the context that we live in today is a context that honestly like we just modern people

01:21:48 don't care about abortion they just don't so um it's like like you're saying that we have to do

01:21:55 this um but is is that because we really have to do it or is it because abortion is just not a big

01:22:01 deal for you and the reality is abortion is not a big deal for most people including many christians

01:22:07 and so yeah like a christian you know christian relative insisting uh that you know that you

01:22:14 murder the baby like and if it is the mother-in-law which i have a feeling it is um usually

01:22:21 is that like what west said is is um profound like that will be a profound moment for her 0.99

01:22:30 in her sanctification for her to get to hold her grandchild and know um i wanted to kill you i'm 1.00

01:22:39 holding my grandchild i'm looking at my grandchild i wanted you sucked up with a vacuum cleaner 1.00

01:22:45 dismembered and bloodied and dead um and hopefully god would use that to change her life that she 1.00

01:22:55 would be sanctified and yeah um that that could be a powerful moment in her sanctification

01:23:01 do you have anything you want to add no i would just say i mean the other side of the coin is

01:23:06 like you have to leverage discernment here because we have to recognize that some people

01:23:11 are just weaker um uh you know weaker less mature christians and so and there's just been a lot of

01:23:19 propaganda right there's just it's especially with situations like this it's just so easy to say

01:23:24 um you know for a doctor to just drown out in medical terminology and language um uh the reality

01:23:32 of what's happening and so just discern i think you know with whoever this relative is uh relative

01:23:38 is um what exactly is going on there because you can also use it to instruct them as well but no i

01:23:45 don't disagree i think that's i think the strong rebuke is is necessary yeah that was a good thing

01:23:50 to add all right uh antonio you want to do the next one yeah um this is colin herb 3802 says

01:23:59 what's the role of sports in christian school um and how much should we focus on winning versus

01:24:05 building character what do you think yeah my thoughts are i think uh if the sport if it's a

01:24:11 good sport those two things are more or less aligned yeah um it's you know the very same

01:24:17 things that you want to instill inculcate in a young person are the things that actually are

01:24:22 winning strategies, uh, you know, sacrifice, discipline, um, effort, uh, teamwork, all of

01:24:29 these things. Um, and so I think you start from the basis of let's focus on those things and doing

01:24:36 them right. And then winning is typically the natural consequence of, although you have to

01:24:40 leave for a category of, uh, you know, talent and, and inherent sort of ability and those sorts of

01:24:45 things. Um, but no, certainly building character virtue formation is, is the basis, the bedrock

01:24:52 of competition and so that should always be an emphasis but at the same time winning is the goal

01:24:57 and you can't you can't separate those two things if you're in competition you have to have the end

01:25:02 uh you have to be striving for something i mean you can't lose sight of that um in in sort of the

01:25:09 sort of faux uh piety sort of way of like you know we're focusing on building character we

01:25:15 don't care if we win or lose like well said yeah that's that's what i thought with the question is

01:25:20 you take winning out of it and the irony is that um it's not like do you build character or do you

01:25:25 focus on winning those things are not at odds you take winning out of the equation and you actually

01:25:31 won't you'll build less character yeah because the character is built in the discipline and the

01:25:37 rigor and the vigilance and the teamwork and all you know all these kinds of natural hierarchies

01:25:42 being formed within the team this guy's better than me so i'm going to pass him the ball instead

01:25:46 of keeping it for myself like um all these kinds of like the character is formed in my assessment

01:25:51 it forms two ways but in both ways it necessitates winning being the ambition otherwise the character

01:25:56 the opportunity for character is lost so one is you win that requires the character of discipline

01:26:02 and then the other scenario is you lose but you wanted to win like you actually cared you really

01:26:10 did care winning was the goal and you have now uh failed to achieve your goal and so now you have

01:26:16 the opportunity of forming character over a real sense of loss but if winning's not the objective

01:26:22 then you actually miss out on character but you miss out on building character through vigilance

01:26:29 and diligence and what it takes to win you also miss out on building character of what it what

01:26:35 it feels like wrestling with with loss and wrestling with failure if it's just we you know

01:26:43 would just get out there and have fun, right? It's just about having fun. I think that's your

01:26:48 answer. Like if it's not about winning, that's usually what you hear. It's not about winning,

01:26:51 it's about having fun. Correct. And if it's just about having fun, then it's not really about

01:26:56 building character. Building character is not really fun. Most of the time, building character

01:27:03 comes through blood, sweat, and tears. It comes through a lot of things that are not pleasurable,

01:27:07 a lot of things that are not fun. Winning hurts because of what it takes to get there. It's like,

01:27:12 I have to hurt and hurt and hurt and hurt and hurt and eventually win and the character was built

01:27:17 not through the win but the hurt building up to that win it was the pain and the sacrifice all

01:27:24 the way there and then if you lose it's the pain and the sacrifice and then also the sense of loss

01:27:29 and now you as a man as a young man you now have to wrestle with okay like how do I handle loss

01:27:35 and uh and you know so but if you take winning as an objective the desire to win out of the scenario

01:27:44 without winning there's no competition and without competition then um there's you know it's not a

01:27:52 game anymore there's like there's no there's no sport to it and now it's just we're just throwing 0.98

01:27:58 a ball around it's very feminized to take away winning from it that's women's inclination is 1.00

01:28:02 because they want equality. 1.00

01:28:03 I want the kids to all get the same stuff.

01:28:05 I want nobody to feel left out. 0.91

01:28:06 The feminine instinct is to say,

01:28:08 well, we're just having fun.

01:28:09 But it's the masculine instinct that says,

01:28:10 no, at some level, we're competing for something.

01:28:12 Even if it's friendly,

01:28:13 we're getting together to actually do something

01:28:15 that has some purpose to it.

01:28:17 Yeah.

01:28:18 You want to do the next one, Antonio?

01:28:19 Yep, GM Raptor sent...

01:28:21 GRN.

01:28:22 We had a big debate about this a while.

01:28:23 Oh, yes.

01:28:24 Oh, that's right.

01:28:25 GRN.

01:28:26 Nice catch there.

01:28:27 Sent a couple questions.

01:28:28 So one, is the Sabbath a principle or an actual day?

01:28:31 to how much activity is too much

01:28:33 or what kind, aside from business,

01:28:36 is incorrect to do on the Sabbath in your estimation.

01:28:39 Yeah.

01:28:39 I think you sort of already got to some of this, but.

01:28:42 Yeah, it's an actual day.

01:28:44 Yeah.

01:28:44 So it is a principle, a timeless principle,

01:28:47 but it is also an actual day.

01:28:48 People hate this because our culture

01:28:50 is just not Sabbatarian.

01:28:52 So people have no, they have no category for this.

01:28:54 It feels entirely foreign.

01:28:55 So anytime I talk about the Sabbath,

01:28:57 because I'm old school in this regard.

01:28:59 i i am you know people follow us for you know the base politics you know people follow you know

01:29:04 sometimes people follow me uh for the base politics sometimes it's for uh the just unhinged

01:29:09 you know bigfoot nephilim you know stuff like that uh and then they hear me you know they forget

01:29:14 sometimes that like i actually am a confessionally reformed minister and i do hold to the confessions

01:29:20 and i think it's silly when people are like well you know like i hold to this confession but i take

01:29:25 exception and clause this, this, this. So you're not confessional. What do you call someone who

01:29:31 holds to a confession but takes exceptions? You call them non-confessional. That's what you call

01:29:36 them. So I actually am confessional. I hold to the Second London Baptist 1689 Confession of Faith,

01:29:43 and I actually hold to all of it without taking exception. And so that being said,

01:29:50 as it pertains to the Sabbath, the Sabbath is a day. It's the first day of the week. So that's

01:29:55 the other thing people go, okay, well, which day is it? Because, you know, the Exodus chapter 20

01:30:00 says, you know, the seventh day, right? Yes. First, the Sabbath is a creation ordinance. So before

01:30:07 sin even entered the world, God instituted the Sabbath, not man. And, you know, Jesus says this

01:30:14 as Lord of the Sabbath, that, you know, that man was not made for the Sabbath, but the Sabbath was

01:30:18 made for man so God instituted it he instituted it on the seventh day as a creation ordinance

01:30:23 and it was the seventh day six days he worked and then on the seventh he rested as it were God

01:30:29 doesn't need to rest he's infinite so he's resting to set a pattern for us as an example for us to

01:30:34 follow he doesn't need rest but he knew that we would and so he chose to rest not because he

01:30:39 needed it but because we needed rest and he did that on a particular day and that particular day

01:30:45 was enshrined in the Mosaic law. It's the seventh day. We find it in the Decalogue, the Ten

01:30:49 Commandments. And then all of Christian history for 2,000 years has held that it's the first day 0.99

01:30:54 of the week. And they believe that Jesus, because he is Lord of the Sabbath, and he says that, he

01:30:59 uses that in the gospel narratives, he's Lord of the Sabbath. He, as Lord of the Sabbath, has the

01:31:04 authority and the right not to remove the Sabbath because it's a creation ordinance, right? So that's

01:31:10 that's key right there it's it's not just that it's in the decalogue it's it's pre-lapsarian

01:31:15 it's before sin even entered the world god institutes the sabbath so it's not just oh well

01:31:20 jesus came and he fulfilled the law and so it doesn't exist anymore think about that all ten

01:31:25 commandments right well now that jesus died for our sins and now that i'm a christian i'm no longer

01:31:29 under law i'm under grace okay so you can you can murder now the sixth no the sixth commandment that

01:31:35 still applies you can steal no the eighth commandment still applies you can commit adultery

01:31:39 no seventh one still you can bear false witness no ninth commandment still applies you can covet

01:31:43 now no that that still applies what about the first table the first uh you can be an idolater

01:31:48 now you can have other gods before the lord your god no that that's still you know we still should

01:31:52 love god first uh you can create graven images uh you can worship idols no no that's still that

01:31:58 still matters you can take the lord's name in vain right you can so hey because we're under law uh

01:32:03 we're under grace and not under law and because jesus you know his earthly work it's finished he

01:32:07 said it's finished, I can go around saying, you know, JC and cursing and taking God's name in

01:32:13 vain in front of my kids and in public. No, of course not. So think about that. You have 10

01:32:18 commandments. By what mechanism, what hermeneutic are you going to use to say all 10 of these

01:32:26 commandments still exist for New Testament Christians after the finished work of Christ,

01:32:31 except for one? And not one at the end, not the 10th commandment or the first,

01:32:35 but smack dab in the middle read exodus chapter 20 it's right there in the middle so i just want

01:32:40 to know what is what is the what is the functioning hermeneutic theologically speaking uh that gets

01:32:47 you to be able to say um all 10 of these commandments pre-christ are still applicable

01:32:52 for christians today even under the covenant of grace except for the one right there in the middle

01:32:58 and here's the furthermore the one in the middle doesn't just come to us through moses but was

01:33:04 also a a pre-lapsarian before it's sent into the world creation ordinance that god rested on it

01:33:12 so you're saying this one that is pre-fall and after fall and right there next to murder and

01:33:18 honoring parents and not taking the lord's name in vain but that one is gone away it's a pretty

01:33:26 hard argument to make and so i do think that uh the sabbath command exists i think it's a principle

01:33:32 but it's also a day. So then the question is simply just what day is it? And church history

01:33:37 has held for 2,000 years that it's the first day of the week because Jesus, who is Lord of the

01:33:42 Sabbath, has the authority not to remove the Sabbath, but to renew, not to remove, but to

01:33:47 renew the Sabbath from the last day of the week to the first. And he does so by virtue of his

01:33:52 resurrection. He was raised from the dead on the first day of the week. He then appeared, revealed

01:33:57 himself to his apostles on sunday the first day of the week and then a week later because thomas

01:34:03 wasn't among them revealed himself appeared to the apostles a second time again on sunday the first

01:34:09 day of the week we also see the apostle paul he says when you gather together on the first day of

01:34:14 the week that you should bring something to take up a collection now we know that that early church

01:34:20 christians that they were breaking bread and meeting to with one another for prayer and to

01:34:25 devote themselves to the apostles teaching um daily is what access so daily they're they're

01:34:31 gathering together and i would say this is just discipleship this is organic christian discipleship

01:34:36 that that happens daily it happened for the early church daily and it should happen for us

01:34:40 every day we should be breaking bread that's not a reference to the lord's supper in that in that

01:34:44 text and acts um it's a it's a reference to a potluck it's a reference to a meal um just not

01:34:51 communion but communing with one another and I would say Christians also today not just the

01:34:56 first century but even in 2025 yeah in our organic discipleship in our Christian lives

01:35:02 we should daily be on you know a somewhat daily basis spending time with other believers

01:35:09 where we share a meal break bread together and in that context there's prayer and in that context

01:35:17 our discussion and our conversation is about the scripture and about theology, the apostles

01:35:22 teaching. And so that is a daily practice. But Paul says on the first day of the week when you

01:35:28 gather, you should take up a collection. And that seems to insinuate, to imply that there was a

01:35:34 particular gathering, not just the organic gathering of a few families, but that the church,

01:35:39 the whole ecclesia was gathering in a special way on the first day of the week. And the collection

01:35:44 should be taken in that context because that was the larger context and a particular context.

01:35:50 So early on in the apostolic tradition, there was a recognition by Christ's resurrection on the

01:35:57 first day of the week, by Christ appearing to the apostles on the first day of the week, appearing

01:36:00 to them again on the first day of the week, and by St. Paul talking about taking a collection when

01:36:05 the church gathers in a unique sense on the first day of the week. And then through church tradition,

01:36:10 very early on, Christians have held that the Sabbath is an immutable, lasting ordinance,

01:36:19 and that it continued even in this New Testament dispensation, for lack of a better word, time

01:36:25 period, and that the only thing that has changed is not that the Sabbath has been removed, but

01:36:31 rather it has been renewed, and that Jesus, who is Lord of the Sabbath, he has the authority to do

01:36:35 that and he did that is that is the traditional christian position that's that's catholics hold

01:36:41 to that eastern orthodox holds to that uh the reformers hold to that the only people who don't

01:36:46 hold to that are um is you know pastor bob at at your mega church with uh like you just have to

01:36:54 know if you if you're like well the sabbath is legalism you just have to know that um you have

01:36:59 adopted a very novel position that puts you outside of the witness of church history for

01:37:06 centuries and centuries and centuries and if you're comfortable with that if you're comfortable

01:37:10 looking back at all the church fathers and saying you're all wrong um then fine you know but i'm not

01:37:18 i'm not comfortable with that position uh he had a second part of this question how much activity

01:37:23 is too much i actually have a short video from a jewish rabbi that i think will be helpful here

01:37:27 where he's talking about the Sabbath.

01:37:29 So let's go ahead and play it.

01:37:31 And you wanna know if you can squeeze some fresh lemon

01:37:33 into a cool pitcher of water for your guests.

01:37:36 One of the malachas of Shabbos is the malach avdash,

01:37:39 which means separating, detaching the useful part 0.88

01:37:42 from the non-useful part of something

01:37:44 that grows from the ground.

01:37:46 Squeezing a fruit for its juice is included

01:37:49 in the malach avdash, and therefore one would not be allowed

01:37:52 to squeeze a fruit for its juice on Shabbos. 0.62

01:37:57 there is a there's a very jewish way of what can you do and what can you not do and when i mean

01:38:04 that i don't mean it as a slur i literally mean it's getting down to am i allowed to squeeze

01:38:08 fresh lemon and i'm going to torture these texts and like well it's straining and it's separating

01:38:14 that is not the way to go about activity to do on the sabbath you don't work you already said

01:38:19 business you don't make others work you don't go out to eat but aside from that there's there's

01:38:24 gradations. I think the key is not, well, I get down granularly, and I have this complete list

01:38:29 of everything I can do, everything I can't do. What you do, do in faith. So if you go out in

01:38:33 the backyard with your kids and hit baseball around, do it in faith. Hey, it's Sunday. I want

01:38:39 to honor the Lord's Day. We've been to church. We've done worship. I haven't gone out, and I'm

01:38:44 going to go do this, and I think God honors it. Or I'm not going to do it in faith. No, son, we're

01:38:48 going to wait till tomorrow. So as far as what you can do, can't do, God gives the conscience for a

01:38:52 reason when he gives that conscience for is not to be autistic or jewish about it and rank every

01:38:57 single thing that you can or can't but to say yeah i'm gonna do this and i i think god will honor

01:39:02 i'm not violating the commandments because it lists it gives a number of things you shall not

01:39:06 do any work nor this nor that so i'm not breaking this i think god honors it or i don't think he

01:39:10 will i want to be safe i'm not going to do it that's i think a better way than listing out

01:39:14 activities one by one by one yeah start start at the front end and not the back end so the first

01:39:20 question if you're adopting sabbatarian convictions the first question to ask should not be

01:39:25 well um how many workers does it require at the cell phone tower um on sunday in order for me to

01:39:33 use my cell phone and so you know do i need to turn my phone off on sundays and receive no text

01:39:40 messages or phone calls or um or you know like those are those are the start at the front not

01:39:47 the back. So like the first questions I think that you should be trying to answer are the easiest

01:39:53 questions, the simplest questions, which is not just what can I not do on the Lord's day, but what

01:39:59 do I get to do? What are the positive things that I should be doing rather than the negative things

01:40:04 that I stopped doing? So the first thing is go to church. Second thing would be if you can go to

01:40:11 church again, right? If your church has two services, like an evening service, then go to

01:40:16 church twice. If you go to church twice and you're like me and you have young children, like you go

01:40:22 to church, you go home, you eat a meal, you put the kids down for nap time, you get up and you're 0.84

01:40:30 going to church again, like then boom, you are perfectly Sabbatarian because your entire day is 0.90

01:40:36 filled just by the virtue of having young children and going to church twice you know so congratulations

01:40:41 you did it um you won't have time to watch football you know and so and then another

01:40:47 question would be like when when is the sabbath is it you know is it sun up to sun down or is it

01:40:51 sundown on saturday to sundown there's a debate to be had there i think it's a full day uh going

01:40:58 back to creation ordinance seven 24 hour days so the seventh day i don't think was a 12 hour day

01:41:04 I think it was a 24-hour day.

01:41:06 So I think that the Sabbath should be observed from sundown to sundown.

01:41:11 But what that means is that as soon as the sun goes down on Sunday,

01:41:16 the Sabbath is over.

01:41:18 And so, you know, like now granted right now we're in the middle of August,

01:41:21 so the sun goes down, you know, at like 12.30 a.m., you know.

01:41:25 But, you know, during more reasonable parts of the year

01:41:28 when the sun is just not being ridiculous, you know,

01:41:31 and goes down at a reasonable time.

01:41:33 there's plenty you know plenty of months out of the year where it's like it's 5 30 and the sun's

01:41:37 down you know so at 5 30 it's like all right like there's still you know plenty of time in the day

01:41:43 but but the day is over and uh and so it's like hey we're you know the sabbath is over and we're

01:41:49 going to celebrate we're going to go out to eat you know or something like that um or you know

01:41:53 um it's you know it's it's 6 30 and the sun's down and we we just finished having dinner with

01:41:58 the kids and and we want you know we want to make the day fun and so like on Sunday evenings after

01:42:04 the sun goes down our family with the kids we you know we watch a movie together or something you

01:42:10 know so there's things that you can do but start start with the positive things that you should do 1.00

01:42:14 and not the the tedious tiny little that that is kind of the essence of of Jewishness it really is 0.86

01:42:22 like whether it's the Pharisees or whether it's a modern rabbi today the essence of of Jewishness

01:42:27 in many ways is uh straining gnats but swallowing camels that's what jesus said of the jewish

01:42:33 leaders of his day he's saying in other words he's saying you're starting at the wrong end

01:42:38 you're starting with gnats but ignoring camels what in the world are you doing that's that's

01:42:43 crazy you have any thoughts on this no no i think that's i agree all right you want to do the last

01:42:48 one yep ben q uh asks or says consumer slop is talked about but what about jobs uh what jobs

01:42:56 are genuinely not loving to God or loving to our neighbors and are, uh, only hardly so. And how

01:43:02 should Christians choose a profession? What do you think? Um, yeah. So I think, uh, you can start

01:43:07 from like, maybe think of it like a funnel, start from the top and say, um, is this lawful before

01:43:13 God? So is this a sinful profession? It does it, is it exploitative? Is it, um, something like

01:43:19 prostitution, for example, that's just like completely outright sinful. Um, you can so say,

01:43:25 is this lawful biblically um is this lawful to man is probably the next one so is this is this

01:43:31 illegal according to the place that i live according to my nation um and the reason that's

01:43:36 i think that's important is because laws are sort of guard wells of competition and so if you're

01:43:42 like jumping over the guard well you're sort of seeing against your neighbor by virtue of like

01:43:46 not playing by the same rules that they have to pay you know they play by right so um so then you

01:43:50 could do that and then maybe the next one would be like vocation it would be like what are my

01:43:55 gifts and talents like what is my calling what uh what uh is something that I could be good at

01:43:59 and uh that should sort of inform downstream from it being lawful um and then I would probably the

01:44:07 last one would probably be um uh can this provide for my family and this provide not not only now

01:44:13 in my in a current state maybe I'm single but can it provide for um myself once I'm married

01:44:18 myself once i have two kids myself once i have five kids and so stewardship is another important

01:44:22 principle i think as you think think about a profession and then also of course which is the

01:44:27 other side of the coin can it provide but also uh is this a profession where i'm likely going to

01:44:32 neglect my my my responsibilities to my family my responsibilities to my wife and so obviously

01:44:38 there are some professions that just you know you do the analysis and you say does it make sense for

01:44:42 me to go do something where i work 70 80 hours a week for 20 years 25 years 30 years um and and

01:44:48 have to be forced to neglect um stewarding my family uh and that realm that god has uh given

01:44:55 me so um early on my dad he got a really good job and he just he would come home at 8 p.m and i was

01:45:01 crying to see him said no i'll make less money but i will see my kids more and i always remembered

01:45:05 that as like hey this matters i gotta make money and he always did but he said there comes a certain

01:45:09 point where uh the hours and the money are not worth it like and i always remember that as like

01:45:12 that's a great way to put family first right yeah and if you do that funnel like lawful before god

01:45:17 lawful before man my vocation so i'm called to do something like this with what my god-given

01:45:22 abilities are and then you do the money and time you're going to be left with like three things

01:45:27 probably realistically that narrows it down yeah well said all right thanks for tuning in we hope

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