The NXR Podcast - April 24, 2024


THE LIVESTREAM - What Authority Does a Husband Really Have?


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In this episode, we discuss patriarchy and the role of patriarchy in the home and how it relates to the Christian doctrine of submission and authority within the home. Is this teaching of the Bible really all that controversial? Is it so unthinkable that someone has final authority over important issues? Tune in now as we discuss this viral clip and the authority that a husband really has.

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00:00:00.000 Much uproar has been had in recent weeks about the Christian doctrine of submission and authority
00:00:10.940 within marriage. What has been the most controversial, however, is not simply the
00:00:15.600 concept of the doctrine itself or the original biblical text in question, but the application
00:00:21.720 of the principle. A simple illustration of the practical, functional authority of a husband
00:00:27.680 in the home from a sermon has been clipped and now been viewed millions of times resulting
00:00:33.220 in significant backlash. But is this teaching of the Bible really all that controversial?
00:00:39.960 Is it so unthinkable that someone in the home has final authority over important issues?
00:00:45.920 Tune in now as we discuss this viral clip and the authority that a husband really has.
00:00:57.680 All right. Welcome back, GA. Good afternoon, gentlemen. It's good to be back here. We're
00:01:06.940 going to be talking about everyone's favorite topic, patriarchy and authority. How'd you know
00:01:11.980 that's my favorite topic? It was a wild guess. There was a couple topics, but I was like, that
00:01:15.460 one might be up there. Now we're gonna be talking about authority, talking about patriarchy. I want
00:01:19.360 to lay a little bit of a groundwork though for this. And the groundwork is that authority is
00:01:24.240 inevitable. Authority is inevitable in every single context. So the reason we have authority
00:01:28.940 in political systems, we have authority in the military, and we even have authority into the
00:01:33.440 home, which we'll get to, is that all of these systems are aimed at doing something. So the
00:01:38.120 military has to function. Individuals, I was in the military for four years, individuals have
00:01:42.840 objectives and missions, things to accomplish. And so somebody has to be vested with the decision
00:01:48.900 making, has to be vested with the authority to say, this is what we're going to do, and this is
00:01:53.940 how we're going to accomplish it. That's the military. Politically, in the same way, we vest
00:01:58.560 a large amount of authority, a lot of power underneath the bounds of the Constitution,
00:02:03.240 ideally. Supposed to be. Supposed to be. It lays out the limits of their authority. We vest a lot
00:02:08.340 of authority in a Supreme Court of nine individuals, a very small amount. And really, it's just the
00:02:13.280 same kind of one to two individuals that really make the decision on that court. We vest a lot
00:02:17.720 of authority in them to make the final decision, not because they're always going to get it right,
00:02:21.280 but because functionally it helps society keep moving and it makes a decision and we go forward
00:02:27.000 from it. So don't be thinking as we talk about the home, we talk about husbands and wives and
00:02:31.300 children. Man, this is so backwards that in 2024, we'd be talking about authority and power and
00:02:37.940 leadership and all these different things. It's not whether we're going to have authority. So
00:02:41.600 it's not maybe there will be authority in the home. Maybe there won't be. It's who will have
00:02:45.080 the final authority. I think of parents and children. If the parents are not in authority
00:02:49.680 and dictating and training leading the children the children will rule the home yep with their
00:02:54.380 caprice with their whatever it is that they want in that given moment which is common you see that
00:02:58.820 a lot right so it's not whether we're going to have authority don't think about man it'd just
00:03:02.900 be so nice if we get away from these systems of authority and structure and power and all this
00:03:06.960 it's who is going to have the authority not whether but which not whether but who exactly
00:03:12.600 i want to jump in there for a second i know this is not quite the direction we planned on going but
00:03:17.720 you said something there that really triggered a thought for me, Wes. And you said that someone
00:03:22.480 has to make a decision because that can allow society, the platoon, the business to keep moving
00:03:29.220 in a direction. And I would suspect that among all of the things that we have wrong about marriage
00:03:36.320 and leadership and authority, one of them is we have failed to understand the purpose and direction
00:03:43.360 of a family a family is not simply finding a lifelong cuddle partner that you can watch movies
00:03:49.720 with on saturdays and you know you can go on long walks with in the evening have your dog
00:03:54.600 that you treat like a kid like if if that's what you think the purpose of family is and the
00:03:59.860 direction of family is just this mutual snuggle fest then the idea of patriarchy and authority
00:04:06.640 is jarring, it's startling, it's alarming. But if there's a higher direction, which Scripture
00:04:13.460 lays out for family and purpose, if it's supposed to be going somewhere that God has said, then
00:04:19.560 that's largely going to change our view of why authority is necessary, why it's inevitable,
00:04:25.060 and why it's even good. It's even good. It's not just inevitable, it's good. So our definition
00:04:30.460 and understanding of what a family is and the direction that God expects it to go in is really
00:04:34.620 fundamental here yeah that's a good friendship is the only relationship where there isn't a power
00:04:38.360 dynamic because friendship is oriented towards time together yeah but if you and a friend start
00:04:43.120 a business you are going to have to decide who's the majority shareholder yeah remember at a class
00:04:48.040 where a startup entrepreneur lawyer he came in he said don't ever do 50 50 because when you do that
00:04:53.860 and this decision comes up and you both share equal power it's going to be impossible to make
00:04:57.900 a decision so friendship doesn't have authority but the minute it's aimed at exactly like you said
00:05:03.160 I want to produce this. I want to generate this. Be productive. A mission. You have to say this
00:05:09.180 person is the final say, at least in this arena. And the reality is that without a shared mission,
00:05:14.840 the friendship eventually shrivels. It dries up. So there's face-to-face element of relationship,
00:05:20.460 and there's also shoulder-to-shoulder. Face-to-face is companionship and intimacy, friendship.
00:05:26.440 And certainly, we're not saying that a marriage doesn't have that. We're simply saying that it
00:05:30.080 has more. It doesn't have less than that, but it has more than that. But whether it's a platonic
00:05:34.600 friendship with the same sex, two men who are friends, even that friendship will wane over time
00:05:40.960 if it's only face-to-face and companionship, and it's never shoulder-to-shoulder in terms of a
00:05:46.480 shared mission. And certainly in the home, not only would you have that with another man in a
00:05:52.080 business partner relationship or in a local church as you're seeking to promote the gospel of Jesus
00:05:58.420 Christ and make disciples and win the world. But certainly you have all of that and more
00:06:03.780 in the marriage relationship. The marriage relationship is not only companionship. That
00:06:09.180 is a piece of it. God looked down and saw Adam and said, this is good. But then also God is the
00:06:14.240 one, not Adam, but God is the one who initially takes note that it is not good for the man to be
00:06:19.660 alone. So God recognizes a need for companionship. He recognizes the loneliness of Adam. But even in
00:06:26.940 that, to be fair, I think that you can accurately read into the text there without it being just
00:06:32.880 raw, unfiltered eisegesis. I think that you can exegete by way of implication that God is
00:06:39.200 recognizing Adam's need for companionship. But even that is not explicitly in the text. All
00:06:44.120 that's explicitly there is that God says it's not good for him to be alone. And a perfectly fair 1.00
00:06:49.000 reading would be, it's not good for him to be alone because the mission that I'm going to assign
00:06:53.120 to him requires a helpmate. So even that, we know that God explicitly, just a few verses later,
00:07:00.300 begins to talk about the dominion mandate to be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth and
00:07:04.980 subdue it, and that that cannot be done by Adam alone, that he requires a suitable helper. And so
00:07:10.800 it's very possible that God is saying only that it's not good for the man to be alone in relation
00:07:16.360 to this mission, he needs a helpmate in order to fulfill that. I think that it's also a fair
00:07:23.620 reading in the text to say it's also not good for him to be alone in terms of his need for
00:07:27.360 companionship. But my point is that the shoulder-to-shoulder aspect, that's what's explicitly
00:07:33.840 mentioned. The face-to-face aspect, although I think that's a fair reading, you would have to
00:07:39.140 read that implicitly, not explicitly. So if anything, the shoulder-to-shoulder shared mission,
00:07:43.980 that is the clear purpose of marriage the clearest purpose of marriage and that's been
00:07:48.500 held by the church down through the centuries until of course you know the last you know
00:07:53.020 few years yep all right so we'll go ahead and we'll roll a clip so this has been viewed now
00:08:00.660 it'd be impossible to keep track across it's impossible the difference has been shared by
00:08:03.800 so many yeah so many platforms i mean it was like uh 750 000 times uh a few months ago before it
00:08:11.640 went viral right again it went semi-viral in the past within you know kind of the mostly within the
00:08:17.700 reformed camp and this is from when this was from a little while ago now oh yeah it was a long time
00:08:22.080 yeah i think it was last spring yeah yeah um yeah so i preached this sermon and this was just
00:08:26.440 this wasn't even really the sermon it was just one small segment where i was illustrating the point
00:08:30.300 but that yeah it was about a year ago and then it went semi-viral uh when uh a pastor in new york
00:08:36.620 who is a reformed, he's a reformed conservative. For the most part, we would differ on multiple
00:08:42.400 issues. I would be squarely to his right, but he is still certainly a conservative pastor,
00:08:50.320 but he shared the clip and he shared it as kind of a gotcha. He didn't share it positively. It
00:08:55.700 wasn't like, hey, here's a great point from Joel Webb and my bud. It was, no, we were disagreeing
00:09:00.640 on other things. I think it was namely the book that I had just published, Fight by Flight,
00:09:05.480 and where i was making an argument uh that not every single individual christian um but that
00:09:11.480 many christians probably shouldn't be behind enemy lines that right now that you know and
00:09:16.600 everyone balkanization you're this is the right arm of the left and you're just creating the
00:09:21.380 scenario you know for the wf to come in and more easily capsize right into their hands or or maybe
00:09:28.420 we're not that smart maybe maybe we're not uh you know plants for george soros maybe we're just
00:09:34.140 saying that it seems like a basic biblical principle that Christians would live in community
00:09:37.880 with one another, and especially Christians who are parents and have children, that they
00:09:41.840 would do everything within their power ordinarily to secure a future for their kids.
00:09:49.180 And so anyway, so I'd written this little book, Fight by Flight, Why Leaving Blue Places
00:09:54.760 is Loving Blue Places. 0.98
00:09:55.900 I was basically trying to provide an argument to clear the consciences of some Christians 0.51
00:10:00.640 who were in deep blue pockets where they had very little provisions and very little protections for
00:10:07.600 their family and for their children and struggling immensely and wanted to move, but were in their
00:10:15.140 conscience felt bound and unable to leave their city in large part because of their pastors of
00:10:21.520 their local churches that they attended saying, well, that's the antithesis to the entirety of
00:10:28.760 the gospel that you know christ uh i bet he was real comfortable in heaven but he laid down his
00:10:33.440 comfort and his privileges and came to earth for the city in the city for the city you know and
00:10:38.000 and so um and yes here's here's my point my point is not to eradicate that that is a viable
00:10:43.880 legitimate valid biblical category we call it missionary missionaries are a thing but i think
00:10:49.720 that at the as the united states becomes more polarized um and as certain portions the the you
00:10:55.380 know, the country as a whole, certainly, but certain portions of the United States, even more
00:10:59.460 so, become increasingly hostile towards Christ and his people, Christians in the Christian worldview,
00:11:04.740 and those who want to live Christianly lives, then I think that we're going to always have
00:11:10.340 missionaries in the providence of God. He'll reserve for himself a remnant, but we're going
00:11:14.620 to need to begin to think about certain pockets of our country the way historically we've had no
00:11:20.520 problem thinking about other countries, right? So we say, you know, every Christian in a lower 1.00
00:11:24.740 lowercase in the general sense, every Christian is called to be a lowercase m missionary. That is, 0.93
00:11:29.460 we're all called to do the work of an evangelist. We're all called to be ambassadors of Christ
00:11:33.120 and to go out to the best of our ability by grace and fueled by the power of the Spirit to carry out
00:11:38.020 the Great Commission wherever we are. But not everybody is called to be an uppercase, a capital
00:11:43.040 M missionary in the proper sense. So same with a pastor, right? Every man should be a pastor of his
00:11:49.620 home, lowercase p, but not every man is called to the office of elder. There are specific, you know,
00:11:54.100 Titus 1 and 1 Timothy 3. So we'd recognize every Christian man is going to be a pastor in the
00:12:00.620 general sense. And every Christian, whether he's a man or not, or a woman, or even a Christian
00:12:05.360 child, should be a missionary in the lowercase m general sense. But not everyone will be 0.88
00:12:11.820 appointed to the formal office of a pastor or the formal office of a missionary. And so in the same
00:12:17.820 way that we've thought about other countries like the Sudan, we would not send any Christian or 0.72
00:12:23.240 every Christian to be a missionary in the Sudan. We just want to do it. And so my whole point with
00:12:27.640 this little book was to say, I think we're going to, a time is coming, and I think we're already
00:12:32.820 there in, at least in some part, but I think over time, it's only going to become even more and more
00:12:38.200 blatantly obvious that we're going to have to start thinking about certain places like
00:12:41.740 San Francisco, California, or Manhattan, New York, the way we have previously thought about
00:12:47.680 the Sudan. This is not a place for your average Christian to live. The average Christian has not 0.99
00:12:52.320 been sovereignly and providentially equipped by God. This is a place for missionaries, not in the 1.00
00:12:56.320 general sense, but the proper sense. So I wrote this little book and Andy Woodard is a pastor in
00:13:01.740 New York City. And so naturally, if people from his church read this book and were convinced by
00:13:07.880 it, it's not good for business. So anyways, because he was unable to engage me on the merit
00:13:13.700 of my arguments, because they're very simple arguments as I've just laid out, right? That's
00:13:17.440 hard to disagree with. It's like, well, that's so incredibly reasonable. How can I argue? So what
00:13:22.140 you do instead is you clip up, you know, a portion of a man's sermon that you think makes him look 0.96
00:13:27.220 like a misogynist chauvinistic pig, and you put that out for everyone to see. And really what 0.80
00:13:32.000 you're trying to do as a conservative reformed pastor is just simply, you know, you're not trying
00:13:36.220 to be a monster. You're just trying to crush this other pastor and ruin his life. That's all you're
00:13:40.280 trying to do. You know, you're not trying to, you know, hurt every conservative Christian in the
00:13:44.000 world, just this one. But the sad, tragic reality is that Andy Woodard has, in his attempts to crush
00:13:52.660 me, has been picked up by a ton of Democrats and former congressmen and major accounts,
00:13:59.260 and they want to crush, they don't want to crush Joel. They want to crush Joel and Andy. They want
00:14:03.880 to crush both of us and all of Christianity. And so Andy Woodard, you know, unwittingly like Gollum, 0.81
00:14:09.540 you know, in the end actually was the one who destroyed the ring. And Andy Woodard unwittingly,
00:14:14.580 you know, he's just trying to, you know, keep members in his church and beat Joel Webin on his
00:14:18.400 little fight-by-flight book. But unwittingly, he, you know, said, you know, here is a picture of
00:14:23.740 what, you know, the big, bad boogeyman of, you know, patriarchal, conservative, hands-made tale
00:14:28.720 Christians look like. And the Democrats said, Andy Woodard, well done, son. Thank you so much. 0.95
00:14:34.080 You got us some gold.
00:14:34.540 And boom. And so now it's millions of people going viral everywhere. And the big takeaway
00:14:39.300 from Democrats is not, hey, Andy Woodard is a stand-up guy, but Joel Webin, he's unique.
00:14:43.720 No, they want to crush all of us. So well done, Andy. All right, here is the clip.
00:14:52.520 There are certain books that I've just had to say, hey, I don't know if this is a bad book,
00:14:57.480 but I don't have time to read it. And so you're not going to read it either.
00:15:01.440 we'll read it together
00:15:03.560 i remember recently my wife had a book and i saw her reading it on the couch
00:15:10.360 and it was about pedo-baptism and i said no
00:15:15.300 we're not doing that yet we will become pedo-baptist when i'm ready
00:15:22.480 but my wife's not going to be a pedo-baptist for three years before i am
00:15:27.500 and i don't have time to read it right now i know the arguments will be great i will agree and
00:15:33.760 disagree i'm not sure which arguments are better but for the time being this is what i'm persuaded
00:15:40.060 of and you're not going to outpace me and that's not for the record that's not lazy
00:15:46.000 it can be and you have to be honest with yourself and discerning of your motives
00:15:51.480 okay um i'll give it to you guys first what do you think you were there yeah when the
00:15:57.440 sermon was preached? Well, I heard a lot of chuckling in the background, and I distinctly
00:16:02.240 remember that the women themselves were chuckling because they know your wife, and they know you,
00:16:07.480 and they know your kids. And, you know, this was clipped out of the context. And you've said in
00:16:14.420 the past, Joel, okay, technically, maybe I could have been more precise about this particular word,
00:16:18.860 that particular word. I could have said outpaced me in theology, in this area.
00:16:23.080 this area um but the the people that were the intended audience were completely fine with what
00:16:31.300 you were saying we understood your overall point and you know as as this topic has festered and
00:16:39.320 bubbled up and gotten bigger and bigger you know i think that the list could be much bigger of the
00:16:46.120 things that a husband ought to have a good and necessary hand over as far as what his wife and
00:16:55.240 his children are doing and being exposed to. I just don't understand the logic of, well,
00:17:02.840 the husband has to be the one to get out of bed at night when there's maybe an intruder downstairs.
00:17:08.120 He ought to protect her. But then to say, well, he ought to have no regard for protecting her
00:17:14.440 with what she reads, what she meditates on,
00:17:18.220 what she is influenced by.
00:17:21.240 I mean, the same, I would apply this same principle to 0.97
00:17:24.540 if your wife is reading a bunch of trashy romance novels, 0.54
00:17:27.580 husband, you have an obligation to say, 0.56
00:17:29.280 look, honey, don't read these anymore.
00:17:30.840 These are not good for you.
00:17:32.200 Right.
00:17:32.400 Like this idea of protecting, leading, guiding,
00:17:36.120 shepherding, encouraging, feeding with the word
00:17:39.000 that Ephesians 5 is so full of,
00:17:41.300 we're barely scratching the surface.
00:17:42.760 I mean, men and women have gotten so far from this topic that even just the smallest, well, don't get ahead of me in this area, is creating this huge outrage.
00:17:53.180 Right.
00:17:53.420 With that real quick, I get, you know, to play the devil's advocate, I could hear, you know, the counterpoint being, well, you know, a book on pedo-baptism is not the same as trashy romance novels.
00:18:00.560 And all three of us would say, of course.
00:18:02.340 Yep.
00:18:02.540 Absolutely.
00:18:04.100 But, you know, in the clip, you know, I was very clear in saying, no, you're not going to read this.
00:18:09.520 You're not going to outpace me.
00:18:10.600 And I think that phrase right there
00:18:11.780 is what upsets so many people.
00:18:12.920 But you're not going to outpace me.
00:18:14.480 Ali Beth picked it up, you know, 0.57
00:18:15.740 and she was seething, you know.
00:18:18.240 But, you know, it's not surprising.
00:18:21.260 But you're not going to outpace me.
00:18:22.980 The obvious context, implication,
00:18:25.600 what I was saying is in this area,
00:18:27.200 for one, I told you guys, you know, in the past,
00:18:29.320 and you guys know this, 0.85
00:18:30.560 but my wife is an RN by God's grace. 1.00
00:18:32.660 She works full time in the home with our children. 0.99
00:18:34.420 But before we had multiple children in the home, 0.98
00:18:36.420 she was working as a nurse. 0.99
00:18:37.360 My wife has always, based off of her knowledge and experience, she's always outpaced me in 0.99
00:18:43.320 the realm of medicine.
00:18:44.420 My wife, and that's just to name one area, but still to this day, I ultimately am responsible
00:18:49.340 as the head of our family for making decisions for the health of the children.
00:18:53.560 But I am constantly relying and leaning heavily on the expertise and the knowledge of my wife
00:18:58.800 to be a good and competent deputy who reinforces my decisions that I can go to like a general
00:19:06.700 would and you know he would go to one of his lieutenants and say look you've been over here
00:19:10.340 with these troops on this battlefield for this long um give me brief me right a lot of with
00:19:16.240 authority and chain of command a lot of it's not that the person at the top of the authority
00:19:19.660 is the most proficient in every single uh subject under the sun because because that's not a matter
00:19:26.120 of laziness or fallenness that's a matter of simply finitude if you're a human being a creature
00:19:30.500 a finite um creature then there's just only so much time in the day and only so much you can know
00:19:34.820 So what does a president do?
00:19:37.140 A president would, he would have all these different people, exactly, and he would rely
00:19:42.540 on their expertise and he'd say, brief me, brief me, brief me, right?
00:19:45.920 So you read 5,000 books, but now I want 5,000 words in an essay form, and then I'm going
00:19:53.240 to make the decision.
00:19:54.520 So with medical decisions, and like when we were working through our convictions on vaccines,
00:19:59.600 you know, Meg, can you help me?
00:20:02.400 Can you brief me on this?
00:20:03.660 and she had much more knowledge than i did i relied heavily on our knowledge but then ultimately i
00:20:08.320 made the decision and in that decision along with 99.9 of the decisions that i make we both agreed
00:20:14.180 but it was ultimately my decision whether we agreed or not because back to what west's point
00:20:19.040 it's not whether but which um because that's one of those scenarios right you're up for your four
00:20:23.340 month appointment there's you know um 1700 vacs uh vaccines uh that your child is scheduled for
00:20:30.100 for in our modern medical world insisting they get the yeah the p your doctor is insisting that
00:20:34.760 oh my goodness they need to get all of them um you know with with the aluminum and and mercury
00:20:39.940 and everything included and not just one at a time they need to get you know 17 of them all in
00:20:44.420 one injection you know and and yeah the kid may not wake up for the next 11 hours or whatever you
00:20:48.760 know but it's it's for their health it's for their safety so you know so my point is that day is
00:20:53.480 coming and and it's not whether but which you're either going to say yes or no there's not a a
00:20:59.440 third way Tim Keller option. There's this, you're going to say, no, we're not going to get the
00:21:03.160 vaccine or, or we are going to do it. But, but some decision has to be made. And, and that's,
00:21:11.380 that's just the nature of life. My point, you're absolutely right that the romance novel is
00:21:16.980 different. My point is protection. If your wife, if my wife is going to get, start reading something
00:21:25.300 that would fundamentally change the dynamic understanding mission how our family operates
00:21:32.040 and then is going to be coming back to me and the children and saying we need to change this
00:21:37.100 not just a small thing like you know let's start drinking two percent milk instead of whole milk
00:21:41.820 right like to switch from a credo baptist to a pedo baptist position is going to cause a lot of
00:21:49.700 strife. It's going to cause a lot of arguments between the two. It's going to cause her to view
00:21:56.180 child-rearing differently. It's going to cause her a lot of fear because now she's thinking,
00:22:02.940 well, our children aren't protected, they're not in the covenant, things like that. So the reason
00:22:06.320 I went to protection is it's right for a man to evaluate, wait a minute, you're reading this,
00:22:12.380 and that has the potential to fundamentally alter your vision of the mission and direction of our
00:22:18.340 family. And if we're going to do that, that had better be done together. And so I said protection
00:22:23.840 because you're protecting from a lot of fights, a lot of conflicts, a lot of distrust, all of those
00:22:29.860 things. And in that sense, that's why I think it falls under the banner of protection.
00:22:34.060 Yep. Thoughts for us? It's just interesting to see online, mostly women probably, but there's
00:22:41.220 probably a good 30, 40% of men in the comments expressing their outrage. And the man who would
00:22:46.960 get offended on behalf of a woman who herself is not offended is a really sad man uh feodoro
00:22:54.360 that's this novel he writes a lot of you think of the landlady and that's the character is the
00:22:59.460 character who never has the courage or the gumption to ask a woman out so all that he does
00:23:04.680 is play this passive aggressive behind the scenes oh my lady i can't believe that he would do that
00:23:10.620 right uh don't be that guy right getting offended for women that they themselves just said like
00:23:16.200 your wife okay that sounds good not offended not hurt not impeded upon uh my wife was not offended
00:23:22.420 my children were not offended and as far as i know most of the women in the church who were laughing
00:23:27.840 and you know them and their husbands you know even made a point of saying you know that they
00:23:32.440 appreciated that part of the sermon after um they were not offended yeah now i can't speak to every
00:23:37.140 single woman a visitor who might have been there that day but um they were they were okay with it
00:23:42.100 But that's because we have a church that is patriarchal.
00:23:46.380 We have a church that is, you know, we don't shy away from those kinds of texts.
00:23:49.560 You know, things like 1 Timothy 2 or 1 Peter 3, these are, you know, Ephesians 5.
00:23:54.840 These are things that are regularly taught.
00:23:57.080 And people, they don't come to our church despite those points.
00:24:01.940 But for the most part, people who come to our church are specifically looking for a church that holds to biblical patriarchy.
00:24:08.040 And that this is going to teach the Bible as it was taught for, you know, 19 and a half centuries up until, you know, our modern world when, you know, feminism completely took over, you know, with a stranglehold of all of theology and everything now is read through that lens.
00:24:24.680 So all that being said, yeah, that like you were saying, Michael, I agree with you.
00:24:28.680 The pedo-baptism is one of those things that will be a point of contention in a marriage
00:24:35.740 if husband and wife disagree.
00:24:38.140 And then it's like, well, then why don't you just read the book?
00:24:41.000 And, you know, again, to provide context and people in my church know this because...
00:24:44.480 Well, you said it in the clip.
00:24:45.520 Yeah.
00:24:45.800 You said, I don't have time for that right now.
00:24:47.260 Right, exactly.
00:24:47.760 and um before the clip uh before i preached it you know even up you know a year ago i uh it's not as
00:24:55.860 though um i was unaware of the concept of pedo-baptism i've read you know at least a dozen
00:25:00.600 books and have not been persuaded had not read this one book in particular i had heard from my
00:25:07.060 presbyterian friends that i trust that it's particularly persuasive a good book to read
00:25:11.020 on the subject and so i didn't want my wife reading that book without me and the potential
00:25:16.220 of her conscience being bound that this is right. 1.00
00:25:19.260 And now she's in a marriage 0.97
00:25:20.820 where her husband is Credo Baptist. 0.96
00:25:23.380 So you have a Credo Baptist head of home,
00:25:25.240 but her husband also happens to be
00:25:26.820 the senior pastor of her local church.
00:25:29.020 And so if her conscience was bound
00:25:31.240 on this issue before mine,
00:25:33.400 then she would be put in the place
00:25:35.280 where according to her conscience,
00:25:37.640 her husband is sinning against her and the children,
00:25:42.040 that I am depriving our children of a sacrament
00:25:45.940 that is owed to them as the children of believers.
00:25:48.140 And not only am I sinning against our own children,
00:25:50.880 but I'm also sinning against,
00:25:53.920 by not being willing to administer baptism
00:25:57.180 for the infants of other believers in this church, 0.93
00:25:59.360 I'm sinning against her and our family 0.85
00:26:01.000 and all these other families in the local church setting.
00:26:04.020 Brothers and sisters listening,
00:26:05.460 that is not ideal for your marriage. 1.00
00:26:07.380 It is not, diversity is not our greatest strength.
00:26:10.500 It's not, you know, what's our strength?
00:26:12.940 Unity, unity is our strength.
00:26:14.980 And so you don't say, with a heretical book,
00:26:18.000 you can say, no, don't read that,
00:26:19.200 and I'm not gonna read it either.
00:26:20.220 We're never gonna read that.
00:26:21.520 But with something like pedo-baptism,
00:26:23.260 which is certainly not heresy,
00:26:25.020 it could be right, it could be wrong,
00:26:26.940 it's a second-tier issue, but it is important.
00:26:30.320 You wouldn't say, no, we will never be pedo-baptists,
00:26:32.940 even if it's right.
00:26:33.760 And the way that I'm going to maintain
00:26:35.260 my credo-baptist stance is by putting my head in the sand
00:26:37.760 like an ostrich, and that's not a good position to take.
00:26:40.520 But it is perfectly appropriate to say,
00:26:42.600 I've got a lot on my plate right now,
00:26:44.180 and this is the kind of book that deals with a significant enough issue that I don't want you
00:26:50.640 reading that without me. I don't want you outpacing me. People didn't like that phrase,
00:26:54.320 but what I'm saying is I don't want to see you convictionally getting ahead of me in your
00:26:58.960 conscience on this issue to where you now are losing sleep, thinking that your husband is
00:27:05.080 sinning against your children. So let's not get your conscience bound before mine. If our
00:27:11.220 consciences are going to be bound on this matter if we are going to switch teams with our theological
00:27:15.360 conviction let's take this journey together yeah and that's to take it together because i've got
00:27:20.500 other things on my plate right now that means we need to take the journey at a later date we'll do
00:27:24.380 it together perfectly reasonable perfectly within the husband's authority and uh and perfectly uh 0.91
00:27:32.720 caused uh not just uh democrat purple haired baby murdering you know progressives uh but but long
00:27:41.020 before the progressives found this clip and made it go viral and they all got upset there was just
00:27:45.720 as much vitriol within the complementarian heckling hens in the reformed world of both sexes both the
00:27:53.420 men and the women screeching and seething and coping for weeks on end and the only difference
00:28:00.580 as god is my witness the only difference i can tell between uh the pro-biden democrats who have
00:28:07.320 now found the clip, thanks to Andy Woodard. And then the complementarian, you know, reformed
00:28:12.980 Christians is same objections, same seething, same coping, just one group, namely the unbelievers, 0.99
00:28:22.360 curses. And the other one doesn't. But in terms of substance, the same arguments, same outrage, 1.00
00:28:28.740 no difference at all, right? Pam in the office, corporate needs you to see the difference between 0.99
00:28:32.480 these two pictures, reformed complementarian woman and, you know, former congressman who's 1.00
00:28:39.240 Democrat and pro-abortion. What's the difference? They're the same picture.
00:28:43.300 Yep. That's a good call too for our episode we did last week on Baptist covenant theology.
00:28:47.880 There's good reasons to be a Baptist. You can read the books and still feel
00:28:50.920 secure and convinced by scripture for it. Let's go to a break and then we'll come back and continue
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00:31:26.700 All right. Well, welcome back. Michael, I want to pick up on something that you mentioned
00:31:30.840 very briefly. You were talking earlier, and you mentioned about how a husband, for example,
00:31:34.620 is tasked with security and that literally goes up to the physical security of the home if someone
00:31:38.900 just start banging on your door at 2 a.m it would be the man my god it better be the man uh to go
00:31:45.300 down there even if he has not a firearm in the home nothing to defend himself it is him and it's
00:31:50.120 up to his life if there was ever a situation where he could sacrifice himself so his wife and kids
00:31:55.580 could get away or be safe women and children first women and children first it would be expected of
00:31:59.900 the man and what's interesting is we'll give men this responsibility so we'll say men you have the
00:32:04.900 responsibility and lay down your life that's still a culturally expected thing that has carried over
00:32:10.840 yes so we'll say we expect you to do this but but watch what's withheld on the back end so you have
00:32:16.140 the responsibility for the home both in matters of grave physical potentially death danger and you'll
00:32:24.100 also have responsibility over the spiritual state but we'll withhold from them the authority to
00:32:27.840 actually carry it out i think you said it uh authority without responsibility is tyranny
00:32:32.840 so we never give to a young man authority to do anything that he would want to do
00:32:36.680 with no responsibility no accountability but in the same way to give someone responsibility
00:32:41.420 but then not give them the authority to actually carry it out to do his best to lead and to guide
00:32:47.600 in this case the family is exasperation slavery was the word you used for it authority no
00:32:53.000 responsibility tyranny responsibility no authority slavery right and uh and that's what we have
00:32:58.840 currently men are uh slaves i want us to and and real quick in every aspect of society in the home 0.93
00:33:05.200 but also in the workplace as citizens at every in our legal system which favors the woman over
00:33:09.960 the at every single level we live in the divine feminine you know uh pagan god age and men are
00:33:18.460 slaves and if on it honestly if you are you know this um you fancy yourself as a conservative you
00:33:26.060 know beacon for truth and you know here i stand come what may you know if you're one of those
00:33:30.320 pastors i i am a complementarian and i am reformed and i am conservative and i am courageous uh but
00:33:37.720 you constantly are harping on the responsibilities of men man up man up uh but but at the end of the
00:33:43.860 day, you hear a clip like mine where it just gives one practical example on an example of what a
00:33:53.000 husband's authority might look like, and you screech and moan and wail, then you are the
00:33:58.980 problem. You're not the solution. You're not helping. You are one of the slave masters helping
00:34:03.200 to, every time a man might start to break free of his bondage, you're actually the guy who's going
00:34:08.220 over there and putting him back in the chains. And you will lose men. Men are not going to come
00:34:12.500 to your church. Boomers will continue to fill your coffers as donors for the next 15, 20 years. 1.00
00:34:18.220 But that gravy train is going to end very soon and you will lose the men.
00:34:24.240 Yeah. So that's going to come across like, it's going to sound like, oh, you poor men,
00:34:33.120 you've had everything for all of history. And now for the last five minutes, you don't have
00:34:36.660 everything you want. Whiny, whiny, whiny. So I think it would be worth unpacking what we mean
00:34:42.120 by saying that responsibility without authority is slavery.
00:34:46.960 Like, that's a pretty strong claim,
00:34:48.980 but I think it's necessary to explore that a little bit.
00:34:52.920 So I'm gonna throw you guys under the bus.
00:34:55.700 That was your comment, and I'm still mulling it over,
00:34:57.720 but expand on that a little bit.
00:35:00.020 Like, how is that the case?
00:35:01.940 It's slavery because it ties the man to an outcome
00:35:04.880 he has nothing, no control over. 0.54
00:35:07.060 So you say, young man, take this woman and marry her,
00:35:09.820 be committed to her for the rest of your life,
00:35:11.380 have children, and at the end of the day, you're going to stand before God and you're going to
00:35:14.900 answer for how you loved your wife, how you raised your children. However, you don't get any influence,
00:35:20.940 any leadership, any power in that dynamic to actually change the outcome. So maybe he marries
00:35:26.720 a good, godly, pious woman, and there would never be a situation that would ever come up where he
00:35:30.820 would have to say, honey, I think we're going to go this path. I think we're not going to do this.
00:35:35.300 Another man could marry a woman that wants to put their children in public school. And if you take
00:35:39.060 from that man the authority he has to sit back and watch as the mother of his children tries to
00:35:44.400 send them off to public school allow them to have influences that are bad to them he's still
00:35:48.580 responsible you're in charge of this family look how bad that kid's turning up but he's like i can't
00:35:53.100 even she would flip out she would divorce me if i try to take them out of the school that's
00:35:57.180 influencing them discipline him in a biblical way if i tried to take away his video game system
00:36:01.320 that would be one example i'd be excruciating i i know that it's um controversial and i want to be
00:36:07.460 careful in the way that i explained but um corporal punishment in the home uh the bible you
00:36:12.240 know if you say you know uh spare the rod spoil the child you know people say that's not the bible
00:36:17.300 doesn't say that you're right that that is not in the bible um as a principle you could you could
00:36:21.920 interpret it that way what is in the bible is not spare the rod spoil the child what is explicitly
00:36:26.840 in the bible is the one who spares the rod hates his child um so if you're saying that's just a
00:36:32.580 a common misnomer you know spare the rod spoil the child yeah you're right that what the bible
00:36:37.120 actually says is stronger. And I pastorally have dealt with couples in marriages where
00:36:42.980 the woman has held hostage the husband in his authority as a father and has explicitly verbally 0.60
00:36:51.880 threatened him multiple times saying, if you spank our child, if you spank our child, I don't care 1.00
00:36:57.500 how loving it is. I don't care if it's perfectly aligning with the word of God, because at the end
00:37:01.260 of the day, the word of God is precisely my problem. I hate the word of God. If you spank
00:37:07.000 our child and love our child according to what God defines as love, then I will call the police.
00:37:14.320 And in our current law system, that man doesn't stand a chance. And so I've counseled those
00:37:22.520 marriages and I've done it recently. Of course, I'm not going to name names, but that is a
00:37:27.200 reoccurring theme and it's always always the woman i've never had a counseling situation where
00:37:32.120 the man um is saying yeah i think spanking is is icky and oh i just you know i just love my child
00:37:38.720 and you know gentle parenting like no men get it you know men understand men i don't know very men
00:37:44.120 who've bought into the idea of gentle parenting which is a lie so anyway so my my point is like
00:37:48.960 well how is it slavery it's uh bricks with no straw it's pharaoh saying i want the same results
00:37:54.280 but i'm not going to give you the necessary resources to get them so it would be the
00:37:59.140 equivalent of a police officer saying um you still have the duty to serve and protect but you don't
00:38:04.580 get the badge or the gun the car or even the salary yeah um and so then what he's saying is
00:38:12.880 i can't i can't do it well too bad it's still and that's that's your typical complementarian
00:38:19.280 woman today saying, you, husband, you, father, you are responsible to make sure these kids turn
00:38:25.500 out all right, to discipline them, but don't discipline, to teach them, but not with any
00:38:31.340 authority. It's bricks without straw. It is absolutely emasculating and exasperating,
00:38:38.260 and men are enslaved. And we still levy the weight of the man's responsibility before the Lord
00:38:46.480 for the outcome of his parenting.
00:38:51.280 We still, I suppose to be charitable,
00:38:54.080 we would say it's a good and honorable thing
00:38:56.440 to still elevate the final responsibility
00:39:00.220 that a man has for his family.
00:39:01.660 But you're right, it is utterly exasperating
00:39:04.200 to, on the one hand, say you will stand before the Lord.
00:39:07.900 I mean, not just if your kid is a degenerate or not,
00:39:10.640 or some sort of hooligan in society,
00:39:14.580 but you will stand before the Lord
00:39:16.220 And you will be judged by God himself for your faithfulness to the call of being responsible for your family.
00:39:24.180 And then on the other hand, say, but you only have, you know, a broken hammer and a flathead screwdriver.
00:39:31.420 You need a Phillips.
00:39:32.300 That's all you get. 1.00
00:39:34.200 So, yeah, that's very exasperating, very slavish. 1.00
00:39:38.120 Let's hit a comment. 1.00
00:39:38.920 This is a good question.
00:39:40.300 So someone put in the comments, I think I remember it, but maybe Nate, if you could scroll up, it would help.
00:39:44.320 when it comes to the question of how many or when to stop having children how does the husband's
00:39:51.340 authority and the wife how do they work together to reach a decision on that and and let me say
00:39:56.940 this too in a time when i just think of all the health stuff but uh from microplastics and
00:40:03.320 endocrine disruptors there's there's a lot of issues with fertility now and complications that
00:40:08.580 arise from maybe not the first pregnancy or the second but it is not at all unthinkable that
00:40:13.600 couples experience health complications, a mother particularly, that begin to make childbearing
00:40:18.900 more dangerous. I won't necessarily say much more dangerous. But we live in such an industrialized
00:40:24.380 age that there are considerations that I don't think previous generations had to think about.
00:40:29.360 Previous generations encountering problems with these things, with having children,
00:40:33.660 that certainly did happen. We had higher infant mortality rates. But I would say there are new
00:40:37.640 considerations that pastors, and specifically fathers and husbands, are having to think about
00:40:42.620 when it comes to we the preliminary the premier text would be psalm 127 children are a heritage
00:40:48.640 from the lord so children are good so the father takes that he's thinking about that but also i
00:40:53.940 saw what the last pregnancy did to my wife yeah so i want to honor the scripture but i'm also called
00:40:58.580 to love my wife a man is to love his wife as his own body no man hateth his own flesh but loveth it
00:41:03.780 balancing those two and there will be the individual situation is going to dictate the
00:41:08.360 exact answer but what are some of your thoughts on handling that question maybe the husband says
00:41:12.720 i think we should aim to have more the wife says i'm done i'm tapped out child spacing is another
00:41:18.400 question it really depends on what the issue is if the issue is health wise um there are no signs
00:41:27.360 that having another child would would harm or damage my wife we just we think that you know
00:41:34.700 we can't handle anymore.
00:41:36.720 Have another, you know, have more.
00:41:39.080 And step out in faith.
00:41:39.600 Yeah, step out in faith.
00:41:40.900 Trust what God says,
00:41:42.500 that children are a heritage from the Lord.
00:41:45.560 Be wise.
00:41:46.520 If you have a child that, for whatever reason,
00:41:50.080 is going to require more care,
00:41:51.880 like a specialized type of care,
00:41:53.260 okay, that factors in.
00:41:54.520 But in general, if the reason is
00:41:56.040 we just don't think we can,
00:41:58.340 I would say, I would push on that.
00:41:59.700 Say maybe you should.
00:42:01.020 But if it's an issue of needing to be very wise
00:42:04.160 with your wife's health
00:42:05.700 or a particular case with a child that you have
00:42:08.540 that's gonna be requiring
00:42:10.700 like a super abundant amount of time
00:42:13.820 of either shepherding or provision
00:42:16.040 or a medical condition, that sort. 0.99
00:42:20.160 Yeah, I think that a husband needs to hear his wife out.
00:42:25.600 He needs to listen.
00:42:26.920 He needs to make sure he factors those things
00:42:30.880 and doesn't just say,
00:42:32.100 yeah but psalm 127 says right so have another we're not quiverful right as many kids as fast
00:42:37.600 as possible no restrictions yeah and that's probably helpful for the listener to you know
00:42:43.360 to maybe specify a little bit more there there are um christians that in many regards we you know
00:42:49.120 you know we would say are very faithful and we're grateful for them but yeah that's not um our
00:42:54.820 position the quiver fools uh position typically there'd be some nuances but not many um in in a
00:43:01.820 nutshell it's you have as many kids as biologically possible right you know think um uh you know the 0.72
00:43:07.440 kind of thing you know you're having as many as possible um whereas we're saying uh well we do
00:43:13.560 want a quiver full in the sense that you know the text explicitly uses that term so we want we would
00:43:19.040 rather have many than few um but we would not put a number on that and we would um allow for the
00:43:25.360 husband and wife to, you know, to exercise prudence and to consider certain factors. But all that
00:43:33.540 with, you know, at the same time, really fighting our sin and our idolatry, recognizing that most
00:43:40.620 couples, more often than not, the couple that says, we can't have any more kids, it's not from
00:43:45.200 an argument of prudence. It's really from a place of idolatry. In our modern American mindset,
00:43:51.440 for lack of faith yeah we're like well we can't have any more kids because we only have you know
00:43:55.140 three bedrooms and it's like that's a that is a first world you know yeah that's that is a unique
00:44:01.720 you know people people would look at the square footage of your house from previous generations
00:44:05.900 and they had 10 kids and they'd be like what are you talking about right so and i think parents
00:44:10.800 that are good parents of three will typically be good parents of six but if you've had one and
00:44:15.700 you're really realizing uh that god is stretching you that's already the one that you're struggling
00:44:20.160 to parent well but if you by god's grace are a good husband or a good father and a good mother
00:44:24.420 i generally don't think that there's some magical tipping point now certainly as you get up there
00:44:29.460 there gets to be a lot but there's not a magical tipping point where if i had just one more i would
00:44:33.300 lose all the time to care for them and all my ability to love them and train them like no god
00:44:37.820 stretches us often and we realize oh i had that capacity in me this whole time i didn't think i
00:44:42.460 was cut out to be a dad of this many but i'm doing it now and i love it and i love these kids
00:44:46.520 brian silvey and lexi on their podcast bright hearth they said something good as well too
00:44:51.240 god ordained that that men and women are fertile for a set amount of time he could have made it
00:44:56.440 16 to 30 if he only wanted it to be 14 years he could have made it 20 to 30 he could have made it
00:45:02.040 25 to 35 he said an amount of time and generally not in every single case but in general we should
00:45:08.640 be thinking about okay god sovereignly put these bounds he ordained also the time that i would be
00:45:12.940 married so if you're married at 30 there are less years that you're able to have children
00:45:16.460 but our default thinking should be god gave me this number of years where i'm able to produce
00:45:20.760 children and children are a blessing and a good thing the default and the expectation should not
00:45:25.560 be that i would cut that off early at a certain point this blessing that god's given this fertility
00:45:31.140 that is also a blessing not everyone is able to have children well i'll cut that off because it's
00:45:35.400 too much blessing at 35 or 30 your default mindset should be barring health conditions
00:45:41.060 barring this provided i'm literally able to afford to feed them the expectation that it
00:45:46.000 would use those years that god gave me that i married to my spouse to have children the default
00:45:51.220 assumption that is really what you said there wes is a is fundamental to many many of the problems
00:45:58.000 that we are having in society right now which is god has designed something a certain way
00:46:02.660 and we in faith are required to submit to that design trusting that it was god's good design
00:46:10.780 You apply that to issues of gender ideology, really what is at stake is will I submit to
00:46:18.600 how God has made me?
00:46:20.000 Yes.
00:46:20.340 Right?
00:46:21.080 Men, when you hit 30s and your metabolism slows down, you must submit to God's design
00:46:28.100 for your body and not eat five cheeseburgers every night.
00:46:30.740 Right.
00:46:30.920 No?
00:46:31.220 Like, it requires a change of behavior and a submission to how God has arranged things.
00:46:36.140 And this goes directly back to the home.
00:46:38.740 Has God designed men and women for a purpose?
00:46:42.040 Has he designed the home for a purpose?
00:46:44.820 Then to fight against that is to fight against God's design and his purpose.
00:46:50.780 And really, at that point, there's no positive outcome, right?
00:46:55.580 There can only be tolerable outcomes at that point.
00:46:57.740 But when we're fighting against the creational design that God has put in nature, in our
00:47:03.920 bodies and our dna in our hormones all of these things um the call the call in all things is to
00:47:11.540 submit to how god has created us and to submit to the borders and designs that he has built
00:47:17.660 all throughout and this this principle extends through all of life right there's a reason why
00:47:22.700 um if you have a high metabolism and a low metabolism you have to be self-controlled
00:47:30.160 with what you eat in different ways, right?
00:47:32.560 Like I can't eat like my son.
00:47:35.700 He's a teenager who's playing two sports, right?
00:47:39.780 I have to admit, okay,
00:47:41.460 God made my body slow down with his metabolism.
00:47:43.860 I cannot just indulge in ice cream every night.
00:47:45.960 I would like to maybe,
00:47:47.220 but I must submit to how God has designed that process.
00:47:51.240 Yeah, that's good.
00:47:52.360 Yeah, that's good.
00:47:53.240 Yeah, so God has, we're talking about authority.
00:47:55.280 We're talking about submission.
00:47:56.100 We're talking about patriarchy
00:47:57.200 and beyond just patriarchy,
00:47:59.160 we're talking about hierarchy. God has baked hierarchy into the, you know, into the pie
00:48:03.360 across the board in every single realm. It's, you know, it's within nature. It's within, you know,
00:48:09.440 his image bearing creatures, humankind and every sphere of human life is in the home. It's in civil
00:48:14.620 politics. It's in markets. It's with employee and employer, with master and slave. It's with
00:48:20.940 parents and children, adults and children. So at every level, you know, it's within the church,
00:48:25.300 the ecclesiastical realm hierarchy is inescapable it's inescapable and um this you know so much of 0.94
00:48:32.000 it you know we're combating feminism um but feminism is in some ways we could say it's it's
00:48:36.540 one unique expression of egalitarianism would be the the big banner and um egalitarianism um
00:48:43.980 just it uh it it forces right it tries to force the square peg into the circle hole it tries to
00:48:50.160 force equality and and uh you might even say well i'm not woke i'm a you know i'm a george floyd
00:48:55.760 conservative you know i'm a you know i'm a martin luther uh you know kings uh junior junior king
00:49:02.020 whatever uh conservative you know aka i'm i'm being silly um you're you're a lib uh you need
00:49:08.040 to acknowledge your lib and be a real conservative but if you're you know a lib who thinks he's
00:49:12.000 conservative and you're like i you know uh i'm against uh you know socialism and i'm against
00:49:17.580 equality of outcome, but I'm very much for equality of opportunity. You just have to
00:49:24.360 recognize that that is a myth. When I say God has baked hierarchy into all of society and all of
00:49:30.760 human life and all of plant life and all of animal life and all, when I say that God has
00:49:35.860 baked hierarchy into the entire created cosmos, I'm not just talking about equality of outcome
00:49:42.920 being impossible but also equality of opportunity i did not have the same opportunity to go to the
00:49:49.500 nba as michael jordan yeah i didn't um where you're born when you're born who you're born to
00:49:57.320 your iq like what about the kid who's uh born as you know uh paraplegic yep right what are you
00:50:05.360 going to like part of this is um it's it's well not part of all of it is arrogance it's assuming
00:50:11.820 that we get that that we have achieved somehow the status of god we think that because of the
00:50:16.960 industrial revolution and technical technological innovation and uh the that we've somehow we get
00:50:23.100 to be god like you want to oh you want to change your gender we can do that yeah oh you want to um
00:50:28.280 you want to be able to walk well elon's he's he's working on it we'll get the you know the 0.67
00:50:32.860 neurochip in the back of your brain and we can we'll do that you know like at every single level
00:50:36.800 we think that we, that we're God. But when you say, well, we want equality, it sounds like a
00:50:41.900 nice thing. But, but the only way to actually force equality of outcome is you have to,
00:50:47.940 you have to steamroll everything at the level of opportunity to, and there's not equality of
00:50:53.060 opportunity. There's not because some people are born smarter and dumber, faster and slower, 0.95
00:50:58.640 stronger and weaker. That's just a fact of life, richer and poor. So the only way that you can
00:51:04.660 get equality of outcome is to force equality of opportunity. And the only way to do that
00:51:10.260 is no child left behind would be a great example, which means you can't make the quadriplegic
00:51:17.380 bodily able. So instead what you have to do is you have to break the arms and legs of every other 0.98
00:51:23.800 able body. And that's what we've done. So you can't make all the poor rich. So instead what
00:51:30.580 you can do is you can make the rich poor. You can eradicate the middle class. So you can do it 0.87
00:51:34.160 economically you could at every level right you can't make someone who is less attractive
00:51:38.460 a supermodel so then what do you do well you just make everybody ugly you know you disfigure and 1.00
00:51:44.240 mar everybody so everyone is disabled everyone is ugly everyone is poor and you know welcome 0.89
00:51:50.840 to communism the the original temptation of adam to eve was that we can remove the hierarchy 0.95
00:51:59.360 You can be like God.
00:52:01.440 You can be like God. 1.00
00:52:03.160 And at the core of the topic of feminism and patriarchy
00:52:09.160 and men's and women's roles in society and in marriage
00:52:12.260 is really the claim that we can step outside of God's design
00:52:18.620 and that, in fact, God was unfair to have given that design.
00:52:23.900 The counterclaim from the Bible is this design is not only there,
00:52:27.480 deal with it.
00:52:27.980 that's not the Bible's claim. The Bible's claim is this design is good. It is good for men to act
00:52:34.900 like men, and it's good for women to act like women. Hard? Yes. Difficult? Yes. In our sin, 0.98
00:52:41.400 are we going to resist it at times? Yes, of course. But the biblical response is not,
00:52:46.620 you just have to deal with it, life's hard, get through it, and heaven will be great. No,
00:52:50.660 the biblical response is God's design of men being husbands and acting like husbands,
00:52:55.740 and women being wives
00:52:57.260 and acting like wives 1.00
00:52:58.300 in their unique ways 0.98
00:52:59.220 is part of God's design
00:53:00.280 and that design is good.
00:53:02.000 Right.
00:53:02.420 So let's just give
00:53:03.600 some other practicals
00:53:04.540 because this is what guys don't do.
00:53:05.880 You know,
00:53:06.040 they'll just talk about the principle
00:53:07.500 within the Reformed complementarian world
00:53:09.480 and that's why the clip went viral.
00:53:12.740 Should we do a commercial?
00:53:14.320 Yeah, we'll do a commercial.
00:53:14.360 But let me just set the stage real quick. 0.72
00:53:16.680 The reason why the clip went viral
00:53:17.860 wasn't because I said
00:53:18.940 the husband is the head of the home
00:53:20.240 and that, you know, 0.98
00:53:21.640 the husband is the head of the wife
00:53:22.900 as Ephesians 5 clearly,
00:53:24.300 you know, explicitly says
00:53:25.260 and therefore he has authority um that's not why it initially went viral that you know it initially
00:53:31.560 went viral again not with the the screeching leftists um and unbelievers in the democrat
00:53:36.280 party it originally went viral with complementarian reformed uh christians uh and the and the uh the
00:53:43.180 charge was led by a pastor uh you know allegedly you know conservative pastor and he he is conservative
00:53:48.700 he's just you know compared to us he's a lib but you know but for all intents and purposes he's
00:53:54.080 conservative and so um all that being said um my point is you know why why so irate why was he so
00:54:01.480 upset why it was the reform complementarian world um it wasn't the principle that upset them it was
00:54:06.680 it was providing an example of its application and that's what guys do and that's why i give
00:54:12.820 application and examples uh recognizing that i'm fallible and that i could be wrong but i would
00:54:17.920 rather give applications, give 10 of them and be wrong occasionally. If I was wrong 10 out of 10
00:54:24.240 times, then I would probably stop doing it. But wrong occasionally. I'd rather give ample examples
00:54:28.640 and be wrong on occasion and get slaughtered in the court of, you know, the peanut gallery's
00:54:36.840 opinion, you know, and get, you know, voicemails endlessly of people who, you know, like, you know,
00:54:44.680 get all the backlash and all the criticism and all those kinds of things. I'd rather have that
00:54:48.540 and be one of the few pastors who actually will provide, because there's so many men and women 0.50
00:54:56.780 for that matter, Christian men and women who are saying, we can see that patriarchy is the design
00:55:01.880 and we want to please the Lord, but no one, there's only like 10 of you in the whole world
00:55:07.240 who even use the word patriarchy. But then the pool gets even narrower when it comes to not just
00:55:13.840 espousing the language or the principle, but actually providing the application. And that's
00:55:19.540 what made people lose their minds, is I didn't just say, husband is head of the wife and he has
00:55:23.380 authority in the home. But then I actually gave an example of here would be an example of the
00:55:28.880 kind of authority a husband has. So when we come back from the commercial, I think that it would,
00:55:34.940 you know, obviously plenty of people will be mad because they hate God's word. And I'm not just
00:55:39.560 talking about unbelievers. I'm talking about complementarians. They do hate God's Word on
00:55:43.780 this subject, sadly. I wish they didn't, but they do. But even if it's the vast minority of the
00:55:50.760 people who listen, even if 90% of them are upset, the 10% who love God's Word and simply want to
00:55:57.020 practically obey, they deserve us taking the risk and giving some practical examples. So we'll do
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00:56:44.300 spread choice all right so to close out we're going to name as you said take the risk we're
00:57:03.500 going to name some situations where practically a husband has the authority to make a decision.
00:57:08.460 I should note Michael Foster has said this, Scripture doesn't provide us a recourse for
00:57:12.960 enforcement. So a man cannot force his wife to submit. If she says no, he does have the recourse
00:57:18.120 of the church if it's flagrant or dangerous or something like that of other means. But he is not
00:57:23.440 to force his wife to submit. There's no punishment. There's no enforcement mechanism in Scripture,
00:57:27.360 to be clear about that. The other thing is that just because you can does not mean you have to.
00:57:33.500 I think again of the military, a platoon sergeant has the authority to say at 2 a.m., everyone will
00:57:38.000 be here and we're going to go run. It might not be wise if he wants his platoon to love him and like
00:57:43.040 him. So it's not just balancing, I can do this and so I will. It's the husband has the authority
00:57:47.400 to say this and he may. He has the prerogative. He's allowed to. And in certain decisions,
00:57:53.120 it may be judicious. An example would be a husband and his wife and her friends. A husband 0.74
00:57:58.980 can say, honey, this friend that I've known and that you've known for a while is a bad influence
00:58:04.300 on you, and I would love for you to stop spending time with her. You can be clear, I am happy to
00:58:09.840 call perhaps her husband and explain why I would like you to stop hanging out, to explain to her,
00:58:15.540 but I don't think she's a good influence, and I would greatly appreciate if you would honor me
00:58:18.880 by making that clear to her and taking some time away. A husband in love can, he does not have to,
00:58:25.220 He does not at all have to pick and choose your friends.
00:58:27.380 But he could say, this friend is a bad influence on you,
00:58:30.180 and I'd like you to stop spending time with her.
00:58:31.940 And I've got to give credit to a good brother from the church.
00:58:33.620 He gave me that one.
00:58:34.620 He said, people won't like it, but that is a husband.
00:58:37.680 It's the word in Greek, it's hupatasmo.
00:58:41.680 Oof, let me try that again.
00:58:44.340 It means to rank under.
00:58:46.420 So Christ, the church is subject to Christ.
00:58:49.020 Christ was subject to his parents.
00:58:51.180 And that word means to subject herself to the husband and everything.
00:58:54.960 so he could say this friend is not a good idea rank under like an inferior yeah now you're
00:59:01.140 dangerous william gooch and who um well we don't have to we don't have to name them but
00:59:07.580 we'll just say this there there are notable publishing companies that um have published
00:59:12.500 puritans um such as william gooch and uh and edited a lot of the language you know or others
00:59:18.940 like you know rl dabney and taking out what he would say about masters and slaves you know and
00:59:24.880 on the issue of patriarchy, William Gouge, his book On Domestical Duties. If you're reading a
00:59:34.180 modern English version of that, there's no problem with the fact that the language has been altered
00:59:39.760 for modernized, for a simpler read. That's fine. But you just need to recognize that the ministry
00:59:45.860 that did that also took the liberty to remove when William Gouge talks about inferiors and
00:59:51.220 superiors and they didn't just change the language they changed his arguments um because um although
00:59:58.140 that ministry you know would say we're very conservative they're not as conservatives
01:00:02.100 william gouge so wes and i are working on a book on witchcraft modernizing it i'm also working on
01:00:07.640 that very william gouge book and modernizing it but leaving it totally unabridged and uh in the
01:00:12.460 original spirit of the well the original argument entirely so awesome that's great uh so mine is
01:00:19.940 A husband ought to trust his wife, like you said, Wes, a husband trusts his wife, and yet he has authority over not just his schedule and calendar, not just the family schedule and calendar, but hers as well.
01:00:36.760 And the other day, you know, this is very practical. 0.65
01:00:39.760 My wife was, she's incredibly industrious.
01:00:42.020 I never have to ask her to do less leisure. 0.99
01:00:47.040 that has never ever been an issue in our marriage but she was trying to do too much in a day and
01:00:52.980 she was stressed and i said look um this this let's talk about what what are you stressed about
01:01:00.080 what is on your list of things that need to get done today we had this and this and this and i
01:01:04.760 don't know i'm going to do this i don't i don't know when i'm going to do this i said look don't
01:01:08.660 do that that is not something that you need to do today well it's not going to get done even if it
01:01:13.560 doesn't get done let's prioritize that's the one that doesn't really matter if it gets done it would
01:01:18.520 be nice they got done but no so the ability to look at a schedule and to encourage your wife
01:01:25.600 maybe if you need to to be more industrious right hey honey maybe not quite so many you know spin
01:01:32.280 classes or whatever um not even not even that that gracious like you need to be home more
01:01:37.880 or to be able to remove things and say you don't need to be doing that i'm going to step in i'm
01:01:43.660 going to say don't do that today right that's for the good of you for me for the family and i'm
01:01:50.280 making a call it's not going to happen today yep that's good that's a good example yeah i regularly 0.96
01:01:55.340 do that with my wife same thing yep she's she is not lazy and so often having to tell her to
01:02:00.560 step back yep you know you got to do less um okay uh do with the good one yeah another another
01:02:06.700 example would be um what what the wife wears clothing and so um i absolutely believe that
01:02:12.120 you know the husband would have authority over the clothing same thing here um but you know in
01:02:16.600 all these we're we're saying okay you know again c.a look at all the look at the principle uh
01:02:22.680 ephesians 5 and and other texts about how authority should be used not lording it over or domineering
01:02:28.080 and so all this should be done graciously all this should be done uh lovingly and gently and
01:02:33.180 all those kinds of things. But the question is, but at the end of the day, right, all the disclaimers
01:02:38.340 being made about gentleness, about affection, about love, about being willing to sacrifice your
01:02:43.660 own life for the sake of your wife as Christ, lay down his life for the church, all those things
01:02:49.000 are absolutely true. So we're assuming those things. That's baked into the pie. So you must 0.84
01:02:54.800 do those things. But then the question still remains, does the husband actually have authority
01:02:59.620 Or is it just a metaphor, just symbolism, just ethereal, just abstract?
01:03:04.520 And we're saying, no, he has real authority that can be executed in real, tangible ways.
01:03:11.440 And so one example would be, like you said, Wes, with friends.
01:03:16.140 I don't like this particular woman and the influence that I see her with you.
01:03:21.820 And I'm telling you that you need to step back relationally.
01:03:25.000 um you know the other would be um you are uh stressing out and overburdening yourself you're
01:03:30.680 too tired you must rest stop it yep um and that one you guys might say well that's that's that's
01:03:36.160 kind of like that's just sweet on that though like i there was a time my wife loves to run distance
01:03:40.520 and she ran a marathon and i was glad for her to do it we talked about it it's not like she
01:03:46.020 went and did it on her own but the training leading up to it was intense it was multiple
01:03:50.480 hours a day especially like the last four weeks you know she had to go on 10 12 16 and this is
01:03:57.340 like four three four hours a day that she's out running we had talked about i agree but when she
01:04:01.880 finished the marathon i said what do you think she said i i would like to do another marathon
01:04:06.400 someday not right away i said at this time that is too much on our family and i'm i'm asking you
01:04:11.640 right i'm also telling you you can't do a marathon half marathons she can do in her sleep she doesn't
01:04:17.260 have to train for those but the the burden of time and so there's one where i did step in
01:04:22.640 and said no you like marathons are not going to happen anymore it's too much of a time commitment
01:04:28.260 and uh you can still be fit you can still be healthy you can still run without having to do
01:04:33.380 that yep right yep that's great that's helpful and so and then the dress thing um like now my
01:04:38.640 wife you know wants she desires to be modest um but uh if you're a you know a new married couple
01:04:45.620 and perhaps your wife is less mature in the faith and you're both now coming into deeper,
01:04:52.580 more mature Christian convictions, you may be a husband, a new husband who's only been
01:04:58.980 married a year or two and coming into convictions about modesty and what that looks like and
01:05:04.600 realizing, oh yeah, my wife, maybe she needs to wear clothes when she's out in public. 0.98
01:05:10.240 you know like maybe she shouldn't uh just take paint and and paint her legs right you know um 1.00
01:05:17.340 and then go to the grocery store to be limits for a christian woman yeah like maybe my wife 1.00
01:05:21.460 should use more than simply paint on her legs and then go to a public grocery store to be oogled at 1.00
01:05:27.620 by uh hundreds of men over the course of an hour and a half um who are then going to think about
01:05:33.280 my wife later on that day and yeah maybe that's not crazy right and i'm using that kind of language
01:05:39.820 it's just not to be crude, but just to say, this is not legalism. This is not petty. This is not
01:05:45.000 small. This is not up in arms. Yoga pants is paint. There is no imagination whatsoever. I mean,
01:05:53.240 it is virtually the equivalent. It is barely, barely a sentiment. I mean, microscopic,
01:05:59.260 you would have to use certain scientific instruments to even display the difference
01:06:05.380 between paint and yoga pants in terms of its, you know, its thickness and blah, blah, blah.
01:06:10.820 So, I mean, it is literally skin-tight clothing, usually accompanied by a, you know, a midriff 0.97
01:06:18.100 shirt in many cases, and then a woman goes out in public wearing that. Of course, that is immodest. 1.00
01:06:25.820 Of course, that is sin. And of course, no woman should be doing that, but especially a Christian 1.00
01:06:31.680 woman and so of course if that christian woman and and in this scenario let's let's play you know 0.99
01:06:36.740 give the benefit of the doubt let's say it's ignorance and it's not you know it's not uh 0.96
01:06:40.660 you know mark driscoll's jezebel spirit you know it's it's uh no it's just ignorance she's just
01:06:45.680 she's a new believer she's newly married and you know and and praise god she's a woman and not a
01:06:51.380 man and so she doesn't she's not particularly um adept to the way that men think right a husband
01:06:58.100 has to disciple his wife this is how you don't understand the way that men think i was about to
01:07:03.480 say the authority is vested in the man not at a flip of a coin god was like well i can give the
01:07:07.180 authority to the man or the woman he has given the man certain qualities the ability to think
01:07:12.740 like a man and vested the authority in him to then make the decision so she would say and and
01:07:17.680 genuinely not any of our wives but a woman could say i had no idea but the man is saying i i know
01:07:22.620 what how other men think and i would love for you to change please yes and so there's a reason it's
01:07:27.940 and also do it yeah i would love i would and you can start with i would love it because i care for
01:07:33.220 you i want your protection um and i also don't want to cause all these other men to stumble
01:07:39.580 and most of all first i want to honor the lord uh through obedience second i want to protect you
01:07:45.580 my wife that i love the wife of my youth um and then three i don't want to cause other men to uh
01:07:50.680 i don't want to provide in my own wife a stumbling block for other men so for those three reasons i
01:07:55.280 would love for you to dress modestly. If she doubles down and says no, then we're talking
01:08:02.560 about authority. What does authority mean? It means that he really does have the authority to
01:08:06.480 say, no, you are not allowed to dress that way and go out. Now, back to a previous point that
01:08:11.140 Wes made that is worth mentioning, because there are some young men who would listen to this.
01:08:16.620 Change stage patriarchy.
01:08:17.500 Exactly. And they would assume too much. There is not a biblical measure that has been prescribed
01:08:24.300 for corporal punishment between a husband and a wife. So if the child refuses, right? If the
01:08:30.440 child refuses, God has actually given to the parents the instrument of the rot, right? If
01:08:37.200 the citizen refuses, God has given to the state the sword. And if the member of the church refuses.
01:08:42.760 If the member of the church refuses, God has given not a rot, not a sword, but keys to bar
01:08:47.640 them from the Lord's table and to remove them from the membership and excommunication. But with
01:08:52.240 the husband to the wife, God has given no such instrument. And so if the wife absolutely refuses, 0.90
01:08:59.440 the husband would exercise stronger authority and say, I am telling you, I'm not just saying I would
01:09:04.360 love it. I'm not just asking or request. I am telling you that you must not do this. This is
01:09:10.100 sin. Do not do it. And if you do, then I'm going to bring this to the elders of the church and
01:09:16.880 they're going to come as one or two witnesses alongside me to exercise even stronger authority
01:09:24.760 to call you out for your sin in this and to call you to repentance. And slowly, this isn't carried
01:09:30.060 out over the course of a week and a half, but slowly over time, months, perhaps even years,
01:09:35.840 eventually we will tell this to the church if there is just impenitence and stubbornness.
01:09:41.880 And you're like, well, I'm going to wear yoga pants even harder. And when I'm shopping,
01:09:46.280 I'm only going to look for items on the bottom row, then, okay, all right, you have made
01:09:51.920 it very clear that you hate God's Word, you hate God, ultimately His authority, me, your
01:09:57.040 husband's authority, your pastors, the church, and the only course of recourse there would
01:10:02.240 be in the sphere of the church, not the husband, not the home, but with the church, that we
01:10:06.440 would eventually tell it to the whole congregation that the church would exercise the keys of 0.98
01:10:09.900 the kingdom and excommunicate that woman. 0.98
01:10:12.860 But that's as far as you could go. 0.76
01:10:14.260 and here's the crazy thing last thing that i'll add there uh the church would excommunicate that 1.00
01:10:18.200 woman but the husband in the setting of the home would still be married to her yeah um unless she
01:10:23.100 abandons him right um that's first corinthians 7 or commits adultery and not adultery of heart
01:10:29.620 not matthew 5 right not not that kind of adultery well if you look at a woman lustfully you know
01:10:35.020 then you've committed adultery in your heart uh-huh that's true and that uh adultery of heart
01:10:39.540 is enough to send you to hell apart from grace and faith in Christ alone. But adultery of heart
01:10:45.300 is not enough to meet the biblical standard to end a marriage, to divorce. So unless this wife 0.70
01:10:51.460 commits adultery or abandons, she can be excommunicated from the church, but you are 0.95
01:10:57.260 still obligated to live with her in an understanding manner, recognizing that she's the weaker vessel.
01:11:02.540 And I stress all that to say, I know that's tough. I know that's tough. And so some of you guys,
01:11:08.940 Young men, you might be listening.
01:11:10.120 So you're telling me I can never get rid of her without sinning against God?
01:11:13.440 Like I would just have an obstinate wife for the next 40 years that's not even a member 0.99
01:11:17.800 in the church, and as I'm parenting my children, she's actively going against me every step 1.00
01:11:22.920 of the way.
01:11:23.500 And yeah, that's what I'm telling you.
01:11:25.980 And you young guys who are listening to this, you're like, your response is actually very
01:11:31.900 similar to what the disciples said to Jesus.
01:11:34.020 Well, then who, right?
01:11:35.360 If this is the case, who then can be saved?
01:11:37.920 Who should be married?
01:11:38.940 Like, who should be married, you know, if this is the case?
01:11:41.760 And Jesus says, you know, what is impossible with man is possible with God.
01:11:48.400 And we're simply praying for a miracle.
01:11:50.400 And the miracle is either going to be the transformation of the wife
01:11:54.200 or the miracle will be the long-suffering and Christ-like patience of the husband.
01:11:59.460 And God will spare the children even despite a demonic mom.
01:12:04.980 This is where we come back to what we said earlier and we put the cards on the table.
01:12:08.940 Because to call a man to that sort of thing is still calling him to submit to the providence that God has dealt him. 0.60
01:12:16.900 We're calling women to deal with the providence that God has dealt you in creating you as a woman.
01:12:21.680 Men, the providence that God has dealt you in being a man.
01:12:25.960 But also, if you're in a difficult marriage like that, we are calling you to submit to the providence that God in his grace and wisdom has dealt.
01:12:34.580 Right.
01:12:34.960 She is supposed to submit to you and won't.
01:12:38.940 but you are supposed to submit to God, will you?
01:12:41.840 Right.
01:12:42.440 Are you actually going to be modeling?
01:12:44.720 Are you going to be condemning the insubordination in your wife
01:12:47.880 while ironically modeling that very insubordination
01:12:51.120 in regards to your refusal to submit to God and His providence?
01:12:54.660 That's good.
01:12:55.500 Any other thoughts for this episode? 0.99
01:12:57.460 Yeah, I just wanted to add, for the women especially, 1.00
01:12:59.880 so we don't personally choose our civil magistrate. 0.98
01:13:04.120 We don't personally even really choose our pastor.
01:13:06.560 They would generally be anointed by the body. 0.65
01:13:07.900 but when it comes to the woman and choosing the man that she will submit to as a product of
01:13:12.920 christianity that doesn't do arranged marriages or just sell women off you young woman have the
01:13:18.540 choice of the man that you are going to submit to to the rest of your life you didn't choose your
01:13:22.900 father but eventually you will go out from under his roof to the roof of your husband think about
01:13:28.100 that carefully employ other men employ your father and your brothers and a pastor to sit down with
01:13:33.440 that man and ask them, Dad, can you tell me if this should be a man that I should commit to
01:13:38.580 submitting to? Because when you go to the altar and you take those vows, sometimes it's been
01:13:43.660 removed, but it should be included in all wedding liturgies, that she's committing to obey him.
01:13:47.920 When you do that, there's no going back. So choose carefully. And then when you choose carefully,
01:13:54.140 it's meant to be a good and an easy thing. Spurgeon said how beautiful it is when a husband
01:13:59.000 and wife live in harmony together so choose wisely choose well if you've chosen unwisely in
01:14:05.000 the past there is grace and god will see you through it uh but don't yeah don't be foolhardy
01:14:10.020 with it and uh and it should be a good thing this is not intended to be something dour and serious
01:14:14.620 uh husband and wife their marriage should be warm and enjoyable and reflect christ in the church
01:14:19.220 amen amen yeah wives uh potential wives need to be very careful who they choose as a husband
01:14:24.740 um and likewise young men have to be very careful um like i you know i got married at 29 i wish i
01:14:32.880 had gotten married earlier part of the reason i got married later was just my own sin and idolatry
01:14:36.700 and a disney version of marriage instead of a biblical one and postponed you know and drug my
01:14:42.020 feet all those kinds of things um that was part of it so i want to own that um my own sin my own
01:14:47.740 idolatry but um in my defense that was that was definitely part of it wasn't all of it another
01:14:53.080 part of it was you know it was difficult to find um a woman you know that uh that i could marry
01:14:59.740 uh that wouldn't ruin my life right yeah you know i think of ecclesiastes it says
01:15:04.940 um there's a verse that says i found one upright man among a thousand but not one
01:15:11.120 upright woman among them all um solomon so uh he tried them all solomon he tried them all he says
01:15:19.400 i know they're not they don't exist and obviously um we do believe that god saves women so there are
01:15:26.500 righteous women but if that was true in solomon's age the the general sense of of that proverb in
01:15:32.400 ecclesiastes um how it would be infinitely not infinitely but exponentially more true in our day
01:15:38.980 and age that's just been completely immersed in feminism um i yeah like you and there's but it's
01:15:45.860 it's not um it doesn't require sherlock holmes you know this is not like this this doesn't really
01:15:52.420 yes this doesn't require like a supernatural sixth sense in order like you can you can meet
01:15:58.300 a woman and probably in less than a minute you can tell uh does is she have an inward beauty
01:16:05.560 which is imperishable and pleasing in the sight of god which is uh most notably characterized by
01:16:11.080 two qualities, quiet and gentle spirit? Or is she loud? Is she loud? Are her feet swift to go
01:16:20.180 anywhere and everywhere but home? Or is she domestic? Is she a lady of the hearth? Does she 0.98
01:16:27.860 love her home? Is she industrious in all the right ways? Or is she a boss babe in all the wrong ways?
01:16:35.440 She actually produces nothing, but she wants to be at work, but she doesn't work. 1.00
01:16:41.920 So all those kinds of...
01:16:43.440 It's very simple.
01:16:45.600 And that was part of the reason...
01:16:46.860 And when I met my wife, Megan, it was her disposition.
01:16:50.800 There was still a lot...
01:16:51.720 And this is tough.
01:16:53.320 This is not to say that God...
01:16:54.800 Obviously, God saves and God transforms and the Holy Spirit actually does sanctify and
01:17:00.620 change us.
01:17:01.740 So all those things being said, those are true Christian doctrines.
01:17:05.020 However, however, don't overlook a woman's just, a particular woman, her natural disposition.
01:17:14.280 When I met my wife, her and I were both immature, but theologically I was immature, but she
01:17:21.380 was even substantially more immature. 0.84
01:17:23.780 There was a lot of things she didn't know, but part of what attracted me to her was she
01:17:31.180 immediately just, her humility.
01:17:33.640 what what uh tell me about calvinism explain that to me i don't really like it but i want to submit
01:17:39.940 to the word of god say that again and asking questions and not just trying to you know uh you
01:17:44.800 know uh trap me and prove me wrong and at every turn and i just knew and i was looking at her 0.60
01:17:50.280 as in comparison to many of her peers and and other women and i just realized she just has a
01:17:55.820 gentle disposition yeah like her own family uh said that when i met her family for the first time
01:18:01.220 they're like yeah this is our baby sis you know and she's uh she's the you know they would make
01:18:06.720 jokes about she's the favorite you know because um she you know she's never done it she never
01:18:11.700 rebels you know she's not you know loud like we're we're feisty you know the other two sisters we're
01:18:16.400 feisty you know but she's just uh compliant i was like yes yes you know like right now because 0.63
01:18:23.100 we're so drenched in feminism even within the church women all you all you have to do is ask 1.00
01:18:26.960 a couple key questions and they'll tell on themselves. They'll give it away. They'll be 1.00
01:18:31.080 like, yeah, I'm a firecracker. Yeah, I'm feisty. And you, young man, should hear that. And she's
01:18:35.140 saying, yeah, I'm not marriage material. That's what she's saying. I do not have a quiet and
01:18:40.100 gentle spirit. I am not beautiful in terms of inward beauty. It is that simple. First Peter
01:18:45.760 says it explicitly, not outward beauty that perishes, but inward beauty, which is imperishable
01:18:51.260 and pleasing the sight of God, which is a gentle and quiet spirit. When she says, I'm loud, I'm a
01:18:55.700 firecracker. I'm feisty. She is telling you, according to God's standard, I am not attractive.
01:19:01.020 Therefore, you should not be attracted to me. So listen to her. When she tells you not to marry her,
01:19:06.180 listen to her. Yeah. Because that's what she's telling you. All right. Yeah. All right. I know 0.99
01:19:11.760 I said any final thoughts. I just thought about that at the end. That was great. Yeah. Okay. All
01:19:17.380 right. Thank you guys for tuning in. God bless.
01:19:25.700 Thank you.