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It is commonly assumed that Christianity rests upon the foundation of Judaism, but what is the truth about the Talmud? What does it actually say and how does it relate to the lives of the patriarchs Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob?
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It is commonly assumed that Christianity rests upon the foundation of Judaism.
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Douglas Murray, best-selling author of The War on the West, recently commented,
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Western civilization could not survive the destruction of the Jewish state because it
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would be, among much else, the cutting away of the whole tree that we're on.
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end quote. It is reasoned that since the Old Testament forms the bedrock that the New Testament
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and Christ rest upon, that it would be impossible to do away with Judaism without also threatening
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the moral, legal, and theological edifice that the Christian West rests on. But inherent in this
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assumption is a failure to distinguish what Judaism actually is. Judaism is not just the
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Old Testament, as if they are only working with the same scriptures and laws that David and the
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prophets had. Rather, in less than a millennium, from the giving of the law at Mount Sinai,
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a rabbinic tradition began to develop that cut away at the commands, worship, and reverence
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due to God. It replaced mercy with loopholes, God's authority with man's tradition,
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and instead of faith a convoluted legal system meant to trick god into their favor by the time
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of jesus's ministry 1500 years removed from the giving of the law barely anything resembling
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true religion and worship remained so today we are unpacking the source of these rabbinic
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teachings the talmud what does it say what does it actually teach what relation does it have
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with the lives of the patriarchs, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.
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All right, we are back. We're talking about the Talmud, right?
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It's a day that ends and why? What else would we be talking about?
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So Wes, you've outlined this episode. I'm going to let you kick it off and frame it up,
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but it is important. That cold open, I hope that the listeners were paying attention because that
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is a common misconception people think that uh they think that judaism is half of christianity
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right but the reality is that judaism is not half of something true uh but but rather it's it's a
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whole perverted system it's not just christianity minus the new testament old testament alone uh but
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in many ways we could say that the new testament is the lens uh that ultimately is resting upon
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the Old Testament. There was one, you know, a Christian Old Testament scholar who said
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that the Old Testament is a richly furnished room that can only truly be appreciated and viewed
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properly in the light of the New Testament. The New Testament is the light that illuminates the
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Old Testament, that makes sense of it, so that we can see all the treasures, you know, that are
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placed throughout um but but judaism has its own new testament um in a sense and its new testament
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is the talmud and so the same way that for us uh the new testament right we're not uh marcian
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where the new testament illuminates the old and there's a cohesive thread between the two they're
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not in contradiction to one another well the talmud is you know functions for the modern jew
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to distort and pervert the Old Testament. So it's not just that they have half of Christianity,
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the Old Testament, they have none of Christianity because the Old Testament, even that, the Torah,
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which they do have, has been so perverted and undermined by the Talmud that when you're done
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with it, there's nothing left. Yeah, absolutely. I wanted to dive into this topic because
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I almost feel like there's no book that's single-handedly, in one sense, for one,
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the boogeyman for so many others and then on the other hand there's tons of people that are like
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this is just another religious text you're kind of like is this full of just nasty teachings and
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it's you know the zions of the the protocols of the elders of zion some master plan is it all of
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this or is it just you've got the bhagavita you've got the quran you've got the bible potato potato
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they're kind of the same thing and so i really wanted to get in to what it actually is and funny
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enough uh it was charlie kirk he was on campus and there was a young guy and i you know he's a week
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into his first red pill and he came up and he actually challenged him on the talmud he challenged
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him on some of the stuff we're going to be getting into and to be honest he looked kind of foolish he
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just didn't have the information didn't understand what he was dealing with and so we want people to
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be informed because when we're informed that we offer the best apologetic for christianity that
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we can anticipate arguments we can destroy them we say this is why christ is supreme and why this
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doesn't this doesn't match up and this doesn't work and this argument fails and so we're going
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dive in uh who knows we might do multiple parts of this there's tons of different uh background
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tons of history tons that we could dive into but for sure this is going to serve as a foundation
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for just an understanding what are we dealing with how has this text impacted this people
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across the last 2 000 years or so and so to your point joel i want to show this diagram
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nate you can pull up graph number one here this is just a visual way of really looking at and
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understanding how it is that god has stretched out how he's laid out redemptive history and so
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you have up top here you have historic christianity adam and eve were the first christians
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that is to say adam and eve were saved the same way you and i are they're saved by faith by grace
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through faith in christ adam and eve had faith in jesus they trusted in the one who would come and
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and crush the serpent. Jesus even says of Abraham later on, Abraham saw my day. Abraham looked
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forward to Christ. Adam and Eve looked forward to Christ. Moses and Joshua. And so from the very
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beginning of time, from the fall, when man eats of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil,
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and he sins, God has been saving people, and they've always been saved in one way,
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and that's looking to Christ. Now, in his redemptive plan, he used a particular people.
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It talks about this early on in Deuteronomy, I believe Deuteronomy 6, that he chose out of all
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nations of the world. He chose one people and he said, I'm going to set my favor on you. It's not
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because you're great. If anything, it's because you're pretty bad, but I'm going to set my favor
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on you and I'm going to use you. The way you could think of it would be like guardrails to work
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towards the Messiah. So I'm giving you the law. Now, obviously law is written on all of men's
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hearts, but for Israel and for Moses, he said, I'm going to give you written law. So I'm going to
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give you the benefit. Romans chapter two, Paul talks about this. I'm going to give you the
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written law that you're going to have. I'm going to give you prophets that are going to speak on
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my behalf with the intention of aiming towards Jesus and to the Christ. And the blessing that
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Israel would have had is they would have been preeminent. It's like if you're your son, just
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your son, I'm not going to say daughter. If your daughter's in sports, I would say take her out.
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But if your son, I mean, is just the star quarterback that takes, you know, your Texas
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Tech football team to the national championship and wins, how much pride would you have? That's
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my son. That's my last name. And so Israel, out of all the nations in the earth, had the privilege
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of being chosen to be the recipient, the oracles, the law, the prophets of God. And they were
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intended when the time was right, that Christ would come and he would be received, that they
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would welcome him, that he would make atonement for sin. And then they, before all the other
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peoples of the earth would be preeminent. However, what obviously happened was he came to his own,
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that is Christ, and they rejected him. They received him not. They crucified the Lord of
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glory. We've talked about all of this before. And he comes back and visits judgment upon them
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just a mere couple of decades later at the destruction of the second temple in 70 AD.
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And so if you look at this timeline, you just have a brief period. It's not the whole time,
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and it's not from the beginning, but you have a time where Israel is stewarding the guardrails
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through which God is unfolding his redemptive plan. Now, rabbinic Judaism, it doesn't start
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with the Pharisees in the first century. It starts a couple hundred years prior during the complicated
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Alexander the Great, the Hasmonean dynasty, the complicated geopolitical. Like the Maccabees?
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Getting into some of the Maccabees revolution, that's a revolt against Hellenistic Judaism as
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they're caught between kind of the Grecian influence. But along the line, there comes
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a rabbinic Judaism. And this rabbinic Judaism, it's not what it was originally intended to be.
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So God didn't give the law to Moses with the intention that an oral tradition be carried down
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for hundreds of years that would mar and twist and contort and do all these things. That was
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never the intention. Rabbinic Judaism is a departure from God's redemptive plan. One of
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ways it's commonly seen and that's on the bottom of that graph is that you have the establishment
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of israel you have the law given and it's kind of seen as christianity is then the new step the plan
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b that you have modern jews that are in continuity with the old jews and we're waiting for them we're
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anticipating we're expecting come join us on this new path that has come forward you've you obeyed
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the law you obey the prophets the software update is in guys it's time to jump ship that's not what
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God intended. That's not how we're to understand it. Rabbinic Judaism is a departure from true
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religion that God established. Yep, that's helpful. Any questions on that, gentlemen?
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No, that's good. People need to see that, I mean, what we're talking about is basic Christian
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theology for 2,000 years. It's covenant theology that draws continuity from the Old Testament all
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the way back to adam and eve you know all the way up to present present day that people um there's
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no plan b it's not as though you know well god uh has you know saved israel you know according to
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the law and the priestly sacrificial system and he had you know plan a and then he created plan b
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for the gentiles and that's christianity they'll be saved through jesus and jews you know they'll
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be saved on their on their own you know a plan you know uh that's that's not the way that it's
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work. People have only ever been saved one way, which is by looking to Christ. Those Old Testament
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saints were looking forward to Christ through all the prophecies that were given. And the first of
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those prophecies was given to our first parents all the way back in the Garden of Eden, to Adam
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and Eve after they had sinned, that God came. And even as he was dealing out judgment, he gave the
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first picture of the gospel and saying that he would put enmity between the serpent and its
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offspring and the woman and hers, and to the point where the serpent would bruise the heel of the
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woman's son, of her offspring, but that he would ultimately crush his head. And so Adam and Eve had
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faith. They had faith in the promised seed that would eventually come, that would be bruised,
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his heel bruised by the serpent, but would ultimately redeem Adam and Eve from the curse of
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sin and from the serpent by crushing his head. In other words, Adam and Eve, who were they
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trusting in? Who was the object of their faith? Jesus. They looked forward to Jesus, and you have
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more prophecies given to Abraham, and then Moses, and then Isaiah, you know, and Jeremiah. And so
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all of these Old Testament saints, they were saved by grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ
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alone, and it really is in Christ. They're looking forward to Christ, and you and I, we're looking
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back to Christ, but the center of everything is the cross. It is the gospel. It is the person and
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work of Jesus, and saints have always been saved one way, whether they're Old Testament saints or
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New Testament saints, either looking forward or looking back, but it's all by grace, not by works.
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It's all through faith, and it's all in the person and work of Jesus Christ, and any departure from
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that is well it's just that a departure so judaism is the departure judaism is the detour not
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christianity yep i'm going to read this history it sums it up really well so where do we get the
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talmud then so we have torah we have the law we have the prophets we have the other there's three
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distinctions in the tanakh they call it the tanakh obviously we call it the old testament
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because we anticipate a new but for jews it is the tanakh the writings the sacred scriptures
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and I'm going to read this description of how in that time period, about 400 BC before Christ
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into the first couple hundred years of AD, the rule of Christ, how this transitioned.
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The oral Torah, so this is the oral tradition, this is the rabbinic teachings. The oral Torah
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is an explanation of the Torah. Prior to 425 AD, there was an institution called the Sanhedrin.
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The Sanhedrin had the ability to interpret the Torah, resolve legal and halakhic disputes,
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that stands for law, and make Jewish rulings. The authority of the Sanhedrin rests in several
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verses which say to establish courts as well as listen to them. After the destruction of the
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second temples, this is 70 AD, however, as well as the defeat of the Bar Kokhba revolution,
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an ensuing scattering massacre and general expulsion that befell the Jews of the time,
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it became much, much harder to remember the oral Torah. This is the oral tradition that they'd kept
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for hundreds of years. After the destruction in 70 AD, the Sanhedrin began to lose some aspects
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of their authority, gradually losing more and more of their power until 400 AD when it eventually
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ended. You'll remember Jesus sparring with the Sanhedrin during his time. The Pharisees were a
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little bit more religious. The Sanhedrin were very much so comfortable with Jewish or Roman rule. So
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you had the revolts, the zealots, they were the revolutionaries. You had the Pharisees kind of on
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the religious side, the Sanhedrin, they were going along. Well, the Pharisees, weren't they the ones
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who, you know, Paul even turns, you know, he kind of gets out of the pickle by, you know, sparking a
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fierce debate between the sadducees and the pharisees and the pharisees believed in a bodily
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resurrection of the dead where the sadducees didn't and the sanhedrin the sanhedrin correct
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me if i'm wrong but i think it was there were some pharisees who sat on the sand the sanhedrin
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was almost like equivalent to it was religious but it was also um civil it was like this combination
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of both religious and civil power it would be yeah it would be the equivalent of the supreme
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court in a theocratic, you know, society that's both religious and legislative.
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There's no temple left, and they're struggling to continue to pass down this oral tradition.
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In 200 AD, Rabbi Yehuda Hanasi, the head of the declining Sanhedrin at the time, went
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around and collected as many different traditions as he could.
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The goal in his compilation was to standardize the amorphous traditions that were floating around
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into one standardized corpus of halak, which is law or Jewish law. He collected different things
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from different contemporary rabbis and incorporated these things into the Mishnah. He did not include
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everything and specifically only included things which had a stronger justification than others.
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He did not explicitly say which teaching, which tradition to follow in the Mishnah. So this is
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important because people will read it and they'll say well this is what the to this is what the
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talmud teaches not necessarily it's a very convoluted system but a lot of it is just
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relaying so and so said this and then so and so said this and for rabbi yahudah hanasi he's
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compiling it all he's doing is he's compiling the back and forth he's not making a commentary on it
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he's not describing he's not taking sides essentially what the mishnah is is rabbi
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yahudah saying all of these things are valid anything outside of this is not due to the fact
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that they couldn't know which tradition to follow both are considered to be valid interpretations
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of the torah and so it's getting around this problem that a lot of jews had well so-and-so
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says this but rabbi so-and-so has commentated on this and so they compile a oral tradition
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detailing all of the different views and part of that gets real quick to jesus and so much of his
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preaching ministry but especially the sermon on the mount where he will he would say you have
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heard it said but i tell you and a lot of modern evangelicals with very bad theology um they take
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that as indicative of uh jesus pitting himself against moses so you have like basically like
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new testament christianity uh that is somehow in contradiction or opposed to old testament uh
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christianity so you have grace versus law you know you have uh gospel uh versus you know levitical
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code you have jesus versus moses you know and they're sparring off and and jesus is of course
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better and so then therefore you know the ultimate conclusion in the mind of many christian midwits
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is um the the you know it's it's that marcionite you know conclusion that like andy stanley we
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should just unhitch from the old testament uh and so now the new testament instead of um instead of
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illuminating the old actually uh subverts and replaces the old and that's that's not christian
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that's that's that's bad uh but really what jesus was doing notice that there's there's this one line
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that reappears again and again throughout the gospel narratives jesus would finish telling a
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parable he'd finish a sermon and it would often say you know people would marvel at the miracles
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that he would perform but they also marveled at his preaching and and the text will specifically
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say at multiple places throughout the gospel narratives they'll say um and they marveled at
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his teaching because he taught as one who taught with authority and what's meant there you know
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looked into commentaries on this like well what does it mean he taught with authority does it
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just mean like the uh the pathos and the passions of the preacher you know that he was just just an
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incredible order you know that george whitfield george whitfield charles spurgeon you know he's
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just going at john knox you know like he's he's banging on the pulpit as he's preaching the sermon
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like uh does he have just you know fantastic illustrations you know like he's like using props
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in the sermon on the mount like hey go ahead and bring me this and setting up sketches and skits
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you know like what what does it mean he or or is there something divine that that's actually visible
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physically visible and manifest um you know he's glowing while while he's preaching you know or
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the clouds are opening up and there's a sunbeam that's coming down um you know or or the the
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volume of his voice is being supernaturally amplified or and and the reality is it's none
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of those things isaiah says there was nothing about his appearance that would cause us to worship
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him that's what's so significant about the the mount of transfiguration is that's the the only
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place where where jesus and even then not even with the 12 but just with you know the the inner
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circle of the three peter james and john takes them up and actually um doesn't replace his human
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nature with the divine nature the divine nature was always there but it's it's like the veil
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of the human nature is is temporarily supernaturally lifted so the divine is now
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shining through and so they see jesus transfigured and and his in his divinity and and they're blown
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away and even then jesus says don't tell anybody about it until later on when it's uh inscripturated
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after his crucifixion his resurrection and ascension so my point is this he they marveled
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because he taught as one who taught with authority they're not marveling because of some uh supernatural
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divine you know visible miraculous element they are marveling nor because he's just um such a good
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order they're marveling because all the rabbinic uh sermons and homilies that were given at that
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time were always a reference, always a piggyback, just a further interpretation or a further tweak
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or a further development of some other rabbi. Nobody was directly going to Moses. So a rabbi
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would get up and say, you know, rabbi so-and-so would be preaching a homily, you know, on the
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Sabbath, the Jewish Sabbath in the synagogue, and he would say, so-and-so says, rabbi so-and-so says,
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and rabbi so-and-so was commenting on rabbi so-and-so, and he was commenting on this other
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rabbi and this other rabbi and and building his argument by rabbi to rabbi to rabbi jesus taught
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as one they marveled he taught as one with authority because he did not appeal to any of
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the teachers of the law he didn't appeal to anyone within their rabbinical system uh jesus would just
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would just go straight to the source and he'd be quoting moses and then he's not pitting himself
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against moses but with continuity perfect continuity he's now exegeting moses he's
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expositing Moses, illuminating Moses, not disagreeing. And so he would go straight back
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to the scripture itself, to the prophets, to Moses. And then he would say, and I tell you,
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and that phrase right there, but I tell you, is not meant to pit gospel against law,
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grace against law, Jesus against Moses. It's illuminating Moses. But what's so significant
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about it is everyone else at the time within this rabbinical system would say, so-and-so says,
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so-and-so says, Jesus would say, I say, I tell you. And so when they marveled because he taught
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as one with authority, what was so marvelous about that, what was so fascinating and so
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counter-cultural for the time is that Jesus is actually going straight to the biblical source
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and then giving his own exegesis as the one who ultimately is responsible for writing the
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scripture. He is the word incarnate. And he's not appealing to any other rabbinical
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you know authority or figure in order to make his point he's saying no um no it's the word of god
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and i'm the word incarnate and this is what it means he's teaching with he's teaching with
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expertise he's teaching as his own source of authority and not having to appeal to the
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Welcome back. So continuing on the history, how the Talmud eventually develops, how we get to
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where it is you have about 200 AD or so Jews are scattered they're dispersed they don't have a land
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anymore the Sanhedrin this kind of religious political figure their power is declining they're
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losing the oral tradition and so someone comes along and he begins to actually write down again
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not commentary not decisions not here's what we actually teach as Jews but simply recording here's
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what has been said before kind of like case law well so and so decided this and then this way is
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what they ruled, etc, etc, etc. And so that's 200 AD, about 200 years, 170 years after the life and
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ministry of Jesus. And continuing on, the Mishnah, that's that oral tradition, is incredibly important
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as it is a first in Jewish history that the oral Torah was actually compiled and standardized
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rather than left amorphous. For many years, the Mishnah was the only thing. However, after the
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start of the diaspora, there again became the problem where different interpretations of the
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Mishnah come about. People debated the meaning of the Mishnah as well as how to define things.
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For example, the Mishnah might say it is forbidden to read outside books. Okay, but what is considered
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an outside book? Is that a specific list of books or a general category? How do we determine what
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is and is not? Different answers came about from these questions. Those questions and answers and
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debates form in large part what is then what we call the Talmud or the Gemara. It is trying to
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Defying terms, understanding premises, resolving contradictions, and the like.
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This is one that Charlie Kirk hit that young man on.
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Two different Talmuds come about in these couple hundred years
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following the compilation of the oral tradition.
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So this is the earlier one, and this is obviously from Jerusalem.
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And so it's written from a center of rabbinic thought,
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and it's influential on the second one that comes after.
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It's compiled and records the kind of debates outlined that I just talked about.
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And the answer is given by Jews who were still in Israel mostly.
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In 500 AD, there comes about another Talmud called the Talmud Bavili, the Babylon Talmud.
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These are recordings from the Jews who were already in the Exodus.
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So they're in Babylon at that time, about 500 AD.
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And modern Jews learn both the Jerusalem and the Babylonian Talmud,
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although the Babylonian is given more emphasis.
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And that's typically thought because they were in exile at the time.
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So it's more relevant to Jews that are in the United States or in Europe
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that they're exiled the same way Jews in Babylon were when they compiled that Talmud.
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I think also we don't have a complete record of the Jerusalem Talmud.
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So this would be like we have textual differences or whatever.
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So apparently there's a lot of agreement, not major differences between the two.
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so then this is the commentary upon the oral tradition which is then the debates on the actual
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law of moses the authority of the gemara is also debated and it is of note to mention it took
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hundreds of years after its publication for everyone to fully accept it like the mishnah
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potential answer is that because at this point everybody had accepted it tacitly and that gives
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it power others say there's a very real rabbinic conference that gave it authority so a lot of
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rabbis got together they said this is the authoritative commentary upon the commentary
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upon the law, and that's what basically gave it authority. Nate, for anyone watching, you can take
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a look at this graph. I think this is really helpful to kind of see what's being layered on
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top of what God originally gave at Sinai. So you have the Tanakh. I mentioned that for Christians,
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that's the Old Testament, the Old Testament that precedes the New. The Tanakh, you could split it,
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they split it into three portions. The Pentateuch, that is the law, the first five books of the
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Bible. Then you have the prophets, and you have the writings. On top of the law, Torah, the
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Pentateuch, you have that oral tradition that's been passed down. And the Talmud is what is
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composed of the Mishnah, that's that codified oral tradition, and then the commentary upon that. And
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then the Talmud itself, there are two different variations of it, the Babylonian Talmud and the
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Jerusalem Talmud. Very long, something like 5,000 pages in total, long, meandering. Most of the
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Babylonian one is written in Aramaic, although there's parts of it that are Hebrew in some
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sources. I think a lot of the Mishnah is actually in Hebrew. So you have different language barriers
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because Hebrew has no punctuation. It's just sentences upon sentences upon sentences,
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5,000 pages of it, and that's the Talmud. Do you have a sense of whether or not
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modern-day rabbinic Judaism refers back to the Old Testament as we have it, or is it more referring
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primarily to the Talmud? So within the Talmud itself, it does make a lot of—there's graphs
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out there of like the different references and you'll see this in some portions i'm about to read
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that they'll frequently have callbacks to the prophets and to zechariah and so most certainly
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it is true that within talmudic judaism going back and you're asking about today and orthodox
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within talmudic there is definitely a reference and a type of reliance now however it's very
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spurious it's very like hmm should the sanhedrin make policy they say well hey here's a psalm that
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says this like even the written one there's a psalm where one of the rabbis read it and he said
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This psalm is the verse I think justifies writing it down,
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So there certainly is some reliance in the Old Testament
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As far as actually Orthodox of all the content that I've read,
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different content I've consumed, I'm about to play a clip
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from like just a modern practicing Orthodox Jew today.
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I have seen very, very, very, very little actual going back
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We do this because of this precept in the law, et cetera.
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When the Pharisees were giving their interpretations in the time of Christ,
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it sounds like what you're saying is their citations of previous rabbis,
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because that tradition started pre-Christ, right?
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That would not have been written down yet, right?
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And the common man would have really had no ability to verify or check
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or even learn those things apart from sitting under some rabbi and devoting your life to
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learning the oral tradition. Is that right? Yep. That's absolutely correct. It's a huge
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change in Jewish theology when a couple hundred years after the dispersed, after the end of the
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temple, when they're literally like, we're losing the oral tradition. We're forgetting it. If people
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are coming up, it's like telephone, you know, like across a hundred years, we thought we had this.
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And then there's two different conflicting ones, but exactly to your point, you would have Torah.
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Certainly that would be written. But then the oral tradition was memorized. I literally like
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these rabbis these Pharisees they're memorizing it and they're trying to pass it down but no one
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else had access to that you'd have to be a teacher to have access to the authoritative inspiration
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and commentary and explanation of the law itself let's um if we can let's go ahead and show this
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video and just give the audience just a little taste just a little just a little taste of modern
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Judaism um you know the uh the serious ethical question you know questions that they're dealing
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with in our time today yes so this is there's tons of pages out there like this this is not like i
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was you know cherry pick i don't have an axe you know and i'm in the mines like digging like where
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is this like this is stuff you'll just run across organically there's a big page i think it's like
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moses and zipporah where she asks him i'm an orthodox jew how do i turn lights on sabbath and
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they actually like well actually the light has to stay on what you can do is you can turn something
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so it reveals the light or turn it like this so it turns off there's sabbath mode so the oven's
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always on so there's lots of pages like that this is one of the ones that's very academic very so
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and so said so but this is a homily on sabbath right this is not this is a question and answer
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okay so we're gonna play a question and answer uh based on i think it's passover and then sabbath
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because this year literally this year 2025 right sabbath and passover fell in the same thing so
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it's huge questions what do i do with the meal the bread what time this set of the other so we'll
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corn, you shouldn't eat after that time. And same is true for egg matzah.
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There's a regular matzah, there's a prohibition of eating matzah on Erev Pesach.
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Some include that night before as well. Some permit eating it on Friday night.
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Certainly all agree that on Erev Pesach, one may not eat matzah until the Seder.
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If a person's eating bread, they have to make sure to finish the bread by 1020 or 1040,
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depending on which time they go with. They can continue eating the meal afterwards,
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and make a bench later but the bread should be stopped by 10 20 years to because passover
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falls on sunday you have to stop eating the bread and you have to do it if you're in new york it's
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10 40. on friday on friday yeah but 10 20 in other places and some right some would say friday some
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would say otherwise there's more videos i didn't dialogue them but one question was like i have to
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say a brocca a blessing upon a bottled water so i take a bottle of water does the brocca last
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throughout the day if i take the bottle i take it to work you have to do a new one in your car you
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go to work with your water so you fill up a water you say a prayer over it a blessing over it you
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take the bottle you put it in your car and you go to work well is it the same water bottle and so
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scholars have debated this some would say you've 40 minutes so as long as you're taking a sip every
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40 minutes it's the same drink it's been blessed it's been blessed that's about takes about the
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time it takes to digest so if it's longer you might have to say an additional brocca
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over it and i mean to infinity like like meat and cheese uh some homes we were talking about this
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earlier they have two sinks so that they're going to wash dairy dishes and meat dishes because dairy
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and meat can't make you can't boil a kid in its mother's milk exactly and what that comes in is
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if you wash with cold water you actually mix them but you wash with cold water well you're okay but
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if you wash with hot water and some of the food from the top plate that had the meat got down to
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the dairy it might get cooked and get dairy and then you have to go to your rabbi and it's just
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layers upon layers upon layers upon layers in new york city don't they have like cables that run
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like or like as a border around the city so so that they're able to move about in the city and
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so certain enclosed spaces you can do different things on sabbath shavos and so in new york city
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there's lots of jews that live there there's a wire encircling a huge portion of manhattan
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so then that space technically counts as inside your home and i've seen videos too where some of
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them will say a stroller can technically count as inside your home. So different things that you can
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do if you put your hands in and work your phone in your stroller versus have them out. And then
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same thing for you, New York. Normally, if you're outside of your home, you can't do X or Y or Z.
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But technically, because you're in your home, you can use transportation or an elevator or this or
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that or the other. And I have a I have a point to all of this. I I was talking to Michael before
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we started but um there's a reason i think when jesus shows up on the scene it's not as though
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he shows up and it's like all right what's the threat now it doesn't appear to be islam you
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know we've got we've got 500 years till muhammad crawls out of a cave it doesn't appear to be
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you know buddhism looks like the threat here is pharisaicalism let's have at it i guess this is
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what we're dealing with in our time i think there's a real perpetual threat a real threat to
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true religion is the self-righteousness and the self-justification that continually falls back on
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well i did this and so-and-so said this and i'm not really to blame and i did my part the greatest
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threat to true religion to true worship of god is a lack of faith and instead of saying i'm
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trusting in christ i'm trusting in god i'm not going to to justify myself not going to explain
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myself what judaism does and you hear it as they cite their scholars they cite their rabbis
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as they're trying to build this airtight case no no no no i'm righteous like i think in the
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last day you'll have many jews and he'll be cast into judgment they'll be like what gives i kept
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every sabbath i stayed inside i didn't boil a kid in his mother's milk i didn't accident why i didn't
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see you owe me i behaved i performed i did all of this you owe me for how i did whereas it's true
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religion and it's true faith that says i mowed nothing and it's grace that has been given to me
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that i'm actually off the hook and i offer back up that obedience i keep the sabbath we all keep
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the sabbath now that's sunday resurrection sunday the lord's day but we keep it out of thanks for
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the day of rest that god has given us and in remembrance of christ not a you owe me for this
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at the end of the day hey hey i've got 500 sabbaths right that i was good on and that's
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a real difference between a man-centered religion religion centered on man and a religion towards god
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right yeah yeah within judaism the sabbath is something you know to keep and uh and it's
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basically with each passing sabbath you're working you know the god of the universe further and
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further into your debt by accumulating your moral capital you know by keeping the sabbath and the
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things you observe and the things that you do the things you accomplish whereas the christian sabbath
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you know um we we believe and this isn't just some um hangover from you know a sun god you know some
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false religion. It's also not just some conspiracy from Constantine. But Christians for 2,000 years
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have practiced the Christian Sabbath on the first day of the week, the Lord's Day, the Christian
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Sabbath, by virtue of Jesus and his resurrection, that he rose from the dead on the first day of
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the week and appeared to the apostles. And then a week later, also on Sunday, the first day of the
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week, he appeared to the apostles again when Thomas was with him. Even the apostle Paul says
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when you gather together on the first day of the week,
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that this is the day that you should take an offering.
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And it's implicit in the text that he's acknowledging,
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he's just assuming that Christians are gathering together
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And there's something about that gathering that's unique
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And so I take that to mean like an organic gathering of Christians.
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It's not formalized, but that's just that Christians were sticking together and they
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were spending daily time together in discipleship.
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So this is, you know, it's two or three families that are getting together.
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And the breaking of bread in this instance is not a reference to the Lord's Supper or
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to, you know, the communion meal, but it's more indicative of a potluck.
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So there's, you know, two or three families that are getting together on a daily basis,
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think, you know, for lack of a better phrase, a small group, you know, or a discipleship group.
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And so that was a daily occurrence, but that's not what Paul's referencing when he talks about
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this special gathering that's happening on the first day of the week, where they're taking
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an offering for a church in another location where they were oppressed and persecuted and poor
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and had need of financial assistance. And so daily, yes, there are individual, organically
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individual families, a few families that are coming together as discipleship, organic discipleship
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groups that are not taking the Lord's Supper, but rather just sharing a meal, a potluck,
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hospitality together, and are talking about theology and doctrine like we do still to
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this day, you know, with members in our church, getting together on a Tuesday night, having
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them in our home to share a meal, talking about the Lord, talking about the apostles
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We still do this as Christians 2,000 years later, talking about the New Testament, talking
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about theology, and spending some time together in prayer and sharing a meal together.
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So that's just basic Christianity, that the saints love being with each other and being in fellowship and relationship and community with one another.
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But the Apostle Paul, he specifies, and by way of implication, he assumes that there's a special, more formal gathering that's happening on the first day of the week,
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which happens to be the same day that the Lord Jesus was raised from the dead, and the same day that a week later he appeared to the apostles.
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And so Jesus, who himself claims to be the Lord of the Sabbath, he doesn't come to abolish or
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remove the Sabbath, but rather Jesus, who's Lord of the Sabbath, that means he has authority over
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the Sabbath. Jesus, who is Lord of the Sabbath, does not remove the Sabbath, but rather renews,
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not removes, but renews the Sabbath from the last day of the week to the first. And all that back
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to Wesley's gospel presentation that was very good, by the way. There's gospel indicatives
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baked in even to the Christian Sabbath, being renewed to the first day of the week by virtue
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of the Lord Jesus and his resurrection. And what those indicatives are, the implications of this,
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is that under the Old Covenant, the Sabbath came in many ways as a reward for six days of labor.
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So for the first six days of the week, people are working hard as unto the Lord, and then they
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are given this privilege and a gift, a reward, in a sense, of six days of work, and now on the
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seventh, as a response to the six days that are initial of working, now on the seventh they're
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being rewarded with a day of rest. But under this gospel age in the new covenant, that's reversed
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and flipped on its head. Now we don't receive the Sabbath, a day of rest, as a reward for our labor,
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but instead we begin our week, the foundation of the Christian life. The first day of the week now
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is a day of resting in free grace that's afforded to us by the Lord of the Sabbath,
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the Lord Jesus himself. And so we have Resurrection Sunday, the Lord's Day, the Christian
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Sabbath, a day of rest that begins our week rather than finishing it. And so we're not
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given rest as a reward for labor, but rather we're from a place of rest. We begin with rest,
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begin with grace, begin with gospel. And then our labor now is a response of gratitude,
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not meriting the rest that comes in Christ, but a response of gratitude for the free gift of grace
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and rest that we receive first. It's 1 John 4, 19. We love, but we do so as a response of gratitude
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because he first loved us. So it's Christ giving us rest because of his work that's finished. And
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we begin our week in that. So even a picture of the gospel comes with the Christian Sabbath being
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the first day of the week. And so all these things, the difference between Christianity
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and Judaism is incredibly stark. These aren't two sister religions, parallel religions with
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overlap and a lot of things that we share in common, Judeo-Christianity. Judeo-Christianity
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is a false religion. There's no such thing as Judeo-Christianity. That would be like saying
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antichrist christianity right judaism is founded on a rejection of jesus and and so to say like oh
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well you know like the west in america you know was built on antichrist christian christian christian
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christianity that's i mean that's an oxymoron that's that's preposterous so christianity and
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judaism are not parallel they don't share things in common they're not sister religions or a set
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of similar values and virtues, Judaism is wholly opposed and hostile towards Christianity. It is
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the reverse, in many cases, the absolute opposite, perversion and reverse of Christianity. It denies
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grace. It denies gospel. It denies Christ. And so, yes, as Christians, we do believe, we are
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Sabbatarian. We believe that there is a Christian Sabbath that's been practiced for 2,000 years,
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really until recently. All the guys who are anti-Sabbatarian within Christianity, that is a
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novel position, much like dispensationalism and Zionism, I might add. But that's a novel position
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that really didn't exist until really the last century, the last hundred years. But for 1900
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years running within every single wing of Christian thought, they were Sabbatarian. But even
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the Sabbath was directly opposite to the Jewish Sabbath. It's the first day of the week. It's
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beginning in gospel and grace and rest, and then working as a response of gratitude for the free
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grace we've already received, rather than receiving that as a reward because we merited it by our
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labor. Judaism is a wholly other, not wholly H-O-L-Y, but W-H, it's entirely other religion.
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the actual teachings and we'll have to do a full series. All of the different, there's a lot in
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there. There's 5,000 pages. It's meandering. But I want to isolate one kind of string and stream
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of thought that runs through Jewish consciousness. And this matters not just for, well, orthodox
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rabbinic Jews believe this. Like, well, actually, no. This is a thought that's shaped a people for
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at least 2,000, if not more years. And that's a very strong sense of narcissism, that we are what
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matters. I'm going to read a quote here. This is from Al Goldstein. This is the Jewish man that
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made pornography mainstream in the United States. And he was asked in a book, he said by another
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Jew, do you believe in God? And Goldstein said, I believe in me. I'm God. Screw God. God is your
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need to believe in some super being. I am the super being. I am your God. Admit it. And I'm
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going to pick up on this in a passage from the Talmud. We're going to play a quick clip here too.
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This is another rabbi and he's talking about the Jewish people. Listen to what he says.
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you guys are worshiping one jew that's a mistake you should be worshiping every single one of us
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because we all die for your sins every single day and that's exactly what's going on here we're all
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god's first but we're dying for your sins right now because because the jewish people in the land
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of israel are the bulwark against the orcs a little self-important don't you think you should
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be worshiping us yes because we're dying for your we're important the interpretation of isaiah 53
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Yeah, I've heard this that is the interpretation about the prophecy about Christ. I mean,
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how do you get around it? The suffering servant, the innocent lamb who by his stripes, we are
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healed. Do you know what the Jewish interpretation of that passage is? It's Israel. Jews are the
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suffering servants that we're the ones that are afflicted. We're the ones that are innocent,
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have all these transgressions laid on us. And we're the ones literally because it can't be
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about Christ. And obviously, you know, it's not about someone so far in history. Well,
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who is it who is the suffering servant they literally many of them say us the jews throughout
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history their perpetual suffering yep i'm going to read a quote this is from uh gittin 57a the
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william davidson talmud this is one we cite a lot so this is talking about jesus of nazareth and
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uh obviously now of course believe it or not you know two jews three opinions there's debate over
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who this actually refers to but i'm going to read it at length because it highlights some of that
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thing that i just said there and it also you'll see the language in it so i'm going to do my best
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to kind of self-censor. If you got kids, you know, maybe just for the next two minutes or so,
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turn the volume down. But this is what it says. So the Gemara relates. This is saying,
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this is commentary, top of the Mishnah, top of the Torah. The Gemara relates.
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Onichelos bar Kalinikos, the son of Titus's sister, wanted to convert to Judaism. He went
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and raised Titus from the grave through necromancy and said to him, who is the most
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important in that world where you are now? So in the realm of the dead, he's raised Titus through
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necromancy, who is most important? Titus said to him, the Jewish people. Onkelos answered, should I
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then attach myself to them here in this world? Titus said to him, their commandments are numerous
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and you will not be able to fulfill them. It is best that you do as follows. Go out and battle
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against them in that world and you will become the chief. As it is written, her adversaries have
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become chief. Lamentations 1.5, which means anyone who distresses Israel will become the chief.
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Onkelos said to him, what is the punishment of a man? A euphemism for Titus himself. So he's saying,
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what's your punishment, Titus, in the next world? Titus said to him, that which he decreed against
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himself as he undergoes the following. Every day his ashes are gathered and they judge him and they
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burn him. They scatter him over the seven seas. Onkelos went and raised Balaam from the grave
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through necromancy. He said to him, who is most important in that world where you are now, the
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realm of the dead? Balaam said to him, the Jewish people. Onkelos asked him, should I then attach
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myself to them here in this world? Balaam said to him, you shall not seek their peace or their
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welfare all the days, Deuteronomy 23.7. Onkelos said to him, what is the punishment of that man,
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Balaam, in the next world? Balaam said to him, he is boiling in, I literally, I'm just, I'm not even
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going to say the word here, nasty substance as he caused Israel to engage in licentious behavior
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with the daughters of Moab. All right, pay attention. Onkelos then went and raised Jesus
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the Nazarene from the grave through necromancy. Onkelos said to him, who is the most important
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in that world where you are now? He's asked this question three times. Jesus said to him,
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the Jewish people. Onkelos asked him, should I then attach myself to them in this world?
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Jesus said to him, their welfare shall you seek, their misfortune you shall not seek.
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For anyone who touches them, that is the Jewish people, is regarded as if he were touching the
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apple of his eye. Onkelos said to him, what is the punishment of that man? And that's a euphemism
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for Jesus himself. In the next world, Jesus said to him, he is punished with boiling excrement.
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As the master said, anyone who mocks the words of the sages will be sentenced to boiling excrement
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and commentary on this because Jesus mocked the Pharisees. That's also considered to be
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a reference to him. He mocked the wisdom of the sages. He did this. This is his punishment that
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he's receiving. As the master said, anyone who mocks the words of the sages will be sentenced
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to boiling excrement. And this was his sin as he mocked the words of the sages. The Gemara comments,
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the commentary and the commentary, come and see the difference between the sinners of Israel and
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the prophets of the nations of the world. As Balaam, who was a prophet, wished Israel harm,
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whereas Jesus the Nazarene was a Jewish sinner sought their well-being. There's minimalist and
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maximalist interpretations. Minimalist minimizes all references. This is not about Jesus. This is
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not about Christianity, because a lot of the Talmud, again, is being compiled as the Christian
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empire is beginning to be assembled. So some would say this is not in reference whatsoever.
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I look at it. I say yes. But here's the deal. Does it really literally matter? Let me give one more
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quote from the Talmud. This is just keep it down if you've got kids. So Ray Ashaya, so another
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rabbi commentating, raised an objection to the opinion of Ray from the Mishnah. With regard to
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an adult male who engages in relations with a minor girl less than three years old or a minor
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boy less than nine years old who engage in relations with an adult woman or a woman who is
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ruptured by wood or any other foreign object, their marriage contract for each of these women
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is 200 dinars. This is the statement of Rabbi Mir. And the rabbis say, and it continues on and on
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and on. And this is the book. This is the book that has shaped Jews for 2000 years. This is the
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commentary, the meandering, the back and forth. And then you get to Brooklyn. Oh, we found a tunnel
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and my goodness, there's kid-sized mattresses with stains. This is the ethos, the thought
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that has shaped them to where they get to they are now they're not our friends they're not our
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allies israel is not best buds with us as far as christians go we would say this about muslims we
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would say this about buddhists and we say this about hindus jews are our enemy for the sake of
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the gospel they are our enemy and they're doing damage to christendom there's lots of enemies to
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be fair to christendom but there is one enemy that's done a lot of damage i think the excuse
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me the the thing to take away from this is the idea that christians have a duty to have a
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and i'll say differently the idea that christians have been trained to see the jews and judaism
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in particular as a sibling religion right where where you know i might look very much like my
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father might look a little bit like my cousin right and so the idea that judaism would be a
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religion of a family relation a cousin or a brother where there's yeah maybe we don't have
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the same exact biological father if it's my cousin but there's a family resemblance and a congeniality
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between the two that ought to be preserved. And the religion of Judaism is, like you say, Wes,
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it is a complete departure from the Old Testament. And as such, one of the things I was going to
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mention earlier is, I think the Apostle Paul, when he wrote Hebrews, he points out over and over and
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over again that the contrast between what the Christians at that time, who were tempted to go
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back to judaism we're facing was literally not a contrast between two faiths it was a contrast
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between faith in christ or reliance on self which god hates right and so the idea that we have a
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kind of congenial long lost cousin relationship with judaism is this this took me a long time
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to kind of get through my head as a lot of people um it takes a long time to get through their head
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as well which is why i'm saying it kind of you know dispassionately but it is something that
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christians have to realize this is not a family relationship of of we're cousins religiously with
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the jews it's not that at all big brothers holding out on coming to the amusement park
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problem saying this um about islam right or or some other religion right we would say this is
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anathema this is contrary to the gospel at its core right in every single way evangelicals are
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perfectly fine uh with recognizing islam as an enemy an enemy of the west an enemy of christianity
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um but they're for some reason they always carve out not for some reason i mean
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exceptionalism and zionism and right yeah no you're right so there are theological
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reasons, perversions and false teachings that carve out some kind of subcategory, Christian
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adjacency for Judaism, where there is no such carve out for Islam. But in addition to that,
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I also think part of it is also looking at the destruction that has taken place with Islam. So
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it's a lot easier for evangelicals to say, well, look at what Muslims are doing in England
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you know um with you know r-a-p-e or what they did in spain yeah exactly what they did yeah and
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you know or like let's look at 9-11 you know i understand that 9-11 is extremely complicated you
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know and who actually is the culprit there and who was celebrating what happened well yeah jews
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were celebrating when it happened um but i'm just saying but for the normie right so i'm not saying
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this is necessarily exactly my position on 9-11 uh maybe we'll do an episode on that someday but
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for for the normie evangelical it's like well look at what muslims did you know in our own country
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you know just you know just a couple decades ago you know and so uh so there's all these you know
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whether it's spain whether it's england whether it's 9-11 you know it's muslims muslims muslims
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and um and and hear me like um i think muslims hate the west i think that muslims hate christianity
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you know and there may be some muslim that listens to this and says well i don't that's
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that's not true you know that's just um that's just muslim extremist you know that's that's
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uh islamic extremism um no that's that's islamic faithfulness yeah you're a bad muslim you're just
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a bad muslim that's right that's absolutely you know what america is called in the middle east
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it's called the great satan yeah yeah so so are there are there millions and millions of peaceful
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muslims yes there are millions and millions of compromised muslims apathetic muslims um half
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hearted Muslims. Of course there are. Inconsistent Muslims. Yeah, inconsistent Muslims. So of course
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there are peaceful Muslims. There are peaceful Muslims insofar as there are compromised Muslims.
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But the Muslims who are extreme are really just faithful to the Islamic text. They're being
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faithful to the Quran. They're carrying out jihad. And how do we know? Because Christians have been
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willing to take the time to look at what their sacred text says, right? About slaying the infidel
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and all these things. So like what we've done, all I'm saying is I'm just simply advocating that
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the same process that we've employed when it comes to Islam and taking the time to read the
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Quran and to see, oh, wow, okay. This is what Christians should be willing to do with the
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Talmud. This is what we should be willing to do with Judaism. And over the centuries,
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there have been various times and places and countries and nations that have done just that,
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that they've taken the time to actually read what the Talmud says. The Reformers were known for as
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they wanted to get back to the Scripture, and they were breaking away from Roman Catholicism
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and the Vulgate, you know, which was, you know, the Septuagint, but kind of twisted into the Latin
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and perverting, you know, twisting some Scriptures and actually changing what the Bible said as they
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were trying to get back to the original, you know, manuscripts and text, and they needed to be able
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to read the Hebrew. You know, they knew Greek, but they needed to be able to read Hebrew, and they
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were trying to do exegetical work and translating the Bible into the modern tongue. And so they
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sought out Jewish rabbis to help them towards that end. And there were some Jewish rabbis who
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were willing to help, but as they taught them how to read and write and speak in Hebrew,
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eventually some of these Christian theologians went and began to, now knowing how to read Hebrew,
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they had Jews that were living in their settlements and in their countries and in
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their societies. And so they were like, hey, well, I'm curious, what did the Jews believe?
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And so they started, now that they knew how to read in Hebrew, they started reading the Talmud.
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and there are several occasions that upon learning Hebrew from Jewish rabbis and then reading the
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Talmud all of a sudden they decide hey you know what we're going to kick out the Jews we don't
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we're going to part ways here we're going to part ways yeah like oh my goodness that's in the Talmud
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the Talmud says what oh no you guys don't get to live here and and so my point in all this is and
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I've said it before but I'm going to say it again because I really do think that it's true I'm not
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saying it's universally true but I think it's generally true and there is a difference okay
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not universally every single Jew or every single Muslim for that matter, but a general truth.
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All the destruction that you've seen from Islam, you do need, I think you do need to draw a
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correlation and at least attach some of that destruction that is the doing of Islam. It is.
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So I'm not trying to let, like, let's let Muslims off the hook. No, no, no. They are responsible.
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But I would like for you to share some of that moral responsibility with Judaism, not
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each and every, universally each and every Jew, but there's an old saying that Islam
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And I think that that saying is, again, not universally for each and every individual
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Muslim and each and every individual Jew, but I think it's generally true.
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And what I mean by that is, in many cases, Jews who have achieved political office and
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high positions in various Western countries are the ones who statistically vote lockstep.
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They vote the most ardently towards poorest wars, open society.
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And so it has been, in many cases, in Western Christian countries, or at least previously
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Christian countries, it is a bunch of white guys who aren't Jewish who suck.
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so we're not saying you know that joe biden yeah joe biden right he's not jewish as far as we know
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you know i'd be interested to see a 23andme test on joe biden you know but you know but i think
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there might be you know there could be a little ashkenazi in there but i'm being facetious joe
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biden as far as we know is not a jew and yet he absolutely hates christ hates christianity hates
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the catholic church which he claims to be a part of um and hates the west and hates america and
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all of his policies display that uh overtly so i'm not saying it's it's just the jews um i maybe
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the easiest way i could say is like this um um not all jews are uh sinister uh deceitful uh civil
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officers in western countries destroying you know the nation um so so when you look if you look to
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jews um you would not see every jew is doing this politically to america but if you look to
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the civil officers themselves you will find a lot of jews right i'll say that again so you look to
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jews a million jews you're not going to find that 50 even 50 of them or even close or even 10 of
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them are you know sitting in congress if we lump in banking the door okay yeah but the point is
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you look to jews and you don't find oh it's 50 of jews are um are sitting as civil officers in
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america destroying the country but you look to the civil officers in america destroying the country
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and you will find a lot of jews and especially if you look per capita and start thinking but
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there's only this small percentage of jews that even are here in america oh my goodness but it's
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this percentage in congress and this percentage and you know and so i think there is a general
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not universal but general truth um that islam is the broom of judaism and again what i mean by that
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is that Jews often don't do the overt destruction, but they do the subvert destruction. Judaism has
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been, this isn't all Jews again, but Judaism has been very subversive. Whereas Islam has been an
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overt enemy of Christian Western nations, Judaism has been a subversive enemy. And often what it
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does is it doesn't light the city on fire, but it opens the door and holds the door open for the
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Muslims who then come in and light the city on fire. And so my point is this, um, both from a
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theological standpoint, just like you would read the Quran and say, this is wicked. You should be
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able to read the Talmud and say, this is wicked. So theologically, um, uh, Judaism is not Christian
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adjacent. It is no closer to Christianity than Islam is. Um, and so theologically on the merits
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of the actual sacred text, these are not, um, these are not our, I've read excerpts of both
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the quran and the talmud the quran is slop it's terrible it's not as bad as the talmud
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talmud is much more wicked and in terms of yeah in terms of perversion and also of course its
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view of christ right so within islam honors him as a failed prophet exactly so within islam like
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jesus is you know he's a decent guy he's a decent guy you know he's not god but he's a decent guy
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within judaism it's not just that he's not the son of god he's not divine but he's also not a
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decent guy. And so on the merits of the sacred texts themselves and the theology of Islam and
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Judaism, Judaism is no closer to Christianity than Islam, and you can maybe even make an argument
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that is further away. But I think a lot of evangelicals, you know, still have this fondness
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for Judaism and Israel that they don't have for Islam. And so getting away from the theological
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merits but getting to the the experience what have they done um i think that that's that's one
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of the ways where a lot of modern evangelicals will look to judaism look to israel and say well
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israel you know as far as we know you know the normie verse israel is not flying planes into
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you know the two towers you know israel is not um is not trying you know saying death to america
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you know uh in in their videos like isis you know or something like that um and and that's true
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But Israel is in very many ways, and you have to recognize this, they are opening the door to a
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third world invasion, to an Islamic invasion. They don't invade, but they open the door for those who
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do. And there are direct correlations that you can look through history of, oh man, it was in
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large part, not exclusively, but in large part, it was Jewish influence that took this Christian
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Western nation and made it vulnerable to the Middle East and Islamic powers. And so it's worth
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acknowledging. That quote that Islam was the broom of Judaism, that was, by the way, a quote from a
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Jewish rabbi. That was not something that Joel made up on the spot. That was a quote from Jewish
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rabbi david uh tower tower there you go yeah yeah okay well uh you can maybe hear pick up on
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on the mics here um we've got five little people that um that are very loud namely my people with
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little hats no no tiny hats not in this family as for me in my house we we love the lord jesus
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christ um but yeah my my kids are home and uh they're loud and ready to hang out with their
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dad so wes you outlined the episode this this is going to have to be a series because it's
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fascinating it's vital it's important there's a lot of deception and just for the record it's not
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even just like oh we really got to pick on the jews if if if we were living in a time of christendom
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where the average christian 90 of christians in america we're saying um uh islam is is pretty
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good yeah it's false but it's pretty good and muslims are our greatest our allies in afghanistan
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yeah if that was it then dude we would be we'd be talking about you know we'd be like all right
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we're gonna have to do a 20-part series on why muslims are not your friends and so so it's not
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just uh what we think judaism is so much worse than islam we've already said you know on the
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text textual basis uh there is an argument to be made for why um it is just as bad if not worse
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um but but the main reason we're doing this is not because we're saying uh jews are worse than
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muslims worse than hindus worse than um it's it the large part we're doing this because uh we
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think that that's the blind spot in the west we think that that's the average christian's blind
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spot i'll connect this to 48 hours ago as of recording this governor greg abbott is threatening
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to strip the city of san marcos of millions of dollars worth of grants because they're considering
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the divestiture of 4 million 4.4 million dollars that were in some type of uh israeli defense or
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whatever they're considering taking that money not investing it in israel there's laws on the
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books that require that any uh business or state or city that does business with texas has to in
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writing be clear and promise that they won't divest or boycott israel as you literally have
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the governor of our state where we live he said anti-israel policies are anti-texas policies
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right just insane like guys this stuff matters people will be going to prison if you don't
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start now loud and clear we are americans we are not greater israel we are christians not jews
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this is where we stand like this stuff matters right it matters for christians this is going to
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be the fight potentially of our generation i think so yeah it matters for christians it matters
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theologically it matters for for what's most important uh the ultimate the eternal heaven
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and hell and what a person believes um but but it also matters politically for our nation um we
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we're not um america does not exist to shill for israel and and so when you have a governor saying
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anti-israel policies and he's not talking about the city of san marcus you know held a rally where
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everyone came out and was saying death to israel we hate jews we hate you no no that's not what
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he's talking about he's talking about them the city in texas not not an israeli city a city in texas
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simply removing from their books foreign aid to israel i think they had a resolution in support
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of palestine don't love it not great taking the money away resolution in support of palestine
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but here's the thing they're both foreign nations like so i don't love that either no i like keep
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the money for texas so yeah you don't need a resolution for palestine um but but that's
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but that's where we're at is where governors in america in you know allegedly conservative states
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like ours um are are threatening um using you know financial restraints and and threatening
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um their their american you know states um if they if they simply don't want to send money to israel
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and so yeah this this really is i think um one of the premier issues i would put it right i don't
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think it's the issue like the only issue um but in the same way that like like if you're like man
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they're talking about jews again um i think put it in the same put zionism in the same category as
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feminism so like there are a few staples uh because we think they're widespread problems
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we think that feminism is rampant that it's rampant that it's a it's a monster it's it's
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it's accumulated so much power um it it influences all of our policies everything that we do it's it's
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we we just did an episode on um uh on on wednesday where um where we were uh talking about the birth
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rate like we literally think feminism is killing us it's literally killing us so so i'm not saying
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that zionism is is even more of a problem than that but but i'm we're saying there are some
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issues and we think feminism is one of them we think zionism is one of them and there's there's
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maybe a few other but there there are a handful of issues that we think are crippling the west
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crippling christianity crippling churches which that's what we care about most importantly even
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more than america is the church of jesus christ and uh and where there's just just an unusual
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blind spot an unusual amount of um of ignorance and uh and so those are issues that we're going
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to talk about a lot i mean how many episodes have we done on masculinity on patriarchy on raising
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your t levels on and uh and i think that this is not enough not enough we need to do more and this
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is similar it's similar in the sense that it's uh destructive um that it's demonic that it's um
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that it's theologically twisting and and and obscuring um but then it's also um uh politically
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uh it's it's a huge threat to the west and um but then the last piece that i'm trying to draw
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is also it has an unusual amount for christians of ignorance right right so if everybody was aware
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of these things which we were all there a few years ago too right so like like during covet
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yep you know i did a ton of episodes about covet right right because a bunch of people were
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hoodwinked and so uh so that when you're thinking like well you know well what is there any uh
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guiding uh factor for what you guys you know choose to emphasize and i would say yeah there
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is and and it's uh what what is most urgent what is most threatening and uh and where are where is
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the average christian the most blind right those those are some factors that that that that influence
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us in determining what we need to probably talk about a lot and this is one of those things so
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we're not we our promise is we're not going to be unhinged we're not going to be hateful we're not
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going to be um uh extreme but we are going to say things that according to uh the adl and sadly even
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according to the average evangelical they will consider it to be hateful and and extreme um but
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it's not these are basic views uh that that christians have held um for centuries for centuries
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i mean mo many i won't say most but there have been many christian nations and societies where
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where they said, we're gonna treat Jews with respect,
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Yeah, you don't get to hold public office.
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that wouldn't allow publicly for there to be a synagogue.
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And there's a far cry between that and the final solution.
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and the views that they held and all we're saying is maybe they were onto something maybe that maybe
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they were onto something and uh and so i i think that this is a series worthy uh topic and uh and
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we hope to um to investigate more of it and get deeper into it in the future so thank you guys
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for let me end with this i'll just say the biggest tension between the two the christianity is a
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religion of faith yeah when we stand before god we don't have i did this i performed i kept the law
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the tradition said we have faith what do i have to offer you told me if i trusted in your son that
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you would forgive my sins the jew does not have that and they've been shaped by i have to be
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righteous i have to justify myself the christian doesn't have to do that and he rests in faith
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and in that regard well said that's a great place to end in that regard i just want to point out
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and broaden it just a little bit and say uh in that regard um a religion of grace versus a real
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and faith versus religion of merit and the works and traditions of men that's the difference between
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christianity and every other every other religion that's the difference between christianity and
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judaism is the difference between christianity and islam and hinduism that's the difference
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between christianity and offshoots of christianity like jehovah's witness and mormon um only historic
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christianity it's the only religion of free grace yep it is and uh and that's the beauty of the
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the person work of jesus in the gospel so uh if you're not a christian um i implore you and plead
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with you to put your faith in the lord jesus christ um there's there's only one religion
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where their god our god um became man instead of instead of just giving a path for man to become
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as god um god actually became man lived a perfectly righteous life and fulfilled all the law of god
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for you in your place and then took upon himself your sin and paid for the wages of sin which is
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death the wrath of god nailed to a tree and then rose again on the third day and is now seated in
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heaven praying on your behalf interceding for you that more and more grace would be given to you so
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that you might live a life for him um that's that's the christian faith and there is no other
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nothing else is like that and uh judaism will leave you high and dry just like islam just like
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atheism, just like any other worldview. So trust in Jesus and get plugged into a biblical church
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right away. Thanks for tuning in, and we hope to see you again next time.