The NXR Podcast - THE LIVESTREAM - What Is Fascism？

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00:00:26.800 today we're going to be talking about fascism all right we're going to break it up into three

00:00:33.340 different segments in the first segment we're going to be talking about fascism as it's defined

00:00:38.220 or how it's used as a bludgeon today by the left the left will call anyone a fascist if basically

00:00:45.680 you just want to have a country if you want to have law and order if you don't want your wife

00:00:51.960 to be having her throat slit on a train by a career criminal who's been arrested 13, 14 times

00:00:58.440 prior. So that's how the term is used today. It's just used to try as an insult, to hurl,

00:01:04.020 to try to get you to stop standing in the way of the leftist revolutionaries, the communists,

00:01:11.060 who very much are trying to destroy our nation. But then in our second segment, we'll get a little

00:01:15.940 bit into more of the history of fascism. And in the third segment, we'd be remiss if we didn't

00:01:21.120 focus at least a good portion of our time on the most notable historic cases of fascism the ones

00:01:27.960 that people think about the most we'll talk about uh franco and then we'll also talk about the third

00:01:33.040 reich and germany and hitler that'll be the episode for today what is fascism um what are

00:01:39.940 some of the similarities with right-wing movements that there are today what are the differences and

00:01:45.260 distinctions? Is this a term that should be redeemed? Should we try to own the term and use

00:01:52.380 the term? Is it inherently evil to be a fascist, or are there ways of being a good fascist or a

00:01:58.900 bad fascist? These are the questions that we'll seek to answer in today's episode. Tune in now.

00:02:03.360 we're talking today about fascism and it's been this topic where it's kind of one of the things

00:02:16.140 where you don't really want to to cover it and talk about it's one of these kind of ideas i think

00:02:20.640 in its narrow sense it was a historical right-wing counter movement to leftism and communism as it

00:02:26.440 encroached into europe that's what it was historically that's what it's been defined as

00:02:30.780 no movement, no fascist movement has existed for about 75 years in any real sense. And so it would

00:02:36.920 be this thing that, like many political movements of the past, have come and gone. But there's a

00:02:41.880 group of people that are very insistent that we are not going to let this thing go. And most

00:02:47.820 insistent, you'll see him right there in the thumbnail, would be a big one, Governor Gavin

00:02:52.220 Newsom, Mussolini, as he's sometimes called in reference to the Italian fascist Benito Mussolini.

00:02:58.740 But Governor Newsom, he loves this term.

00:03:01.480 He's called Donald Trumpet.

00:03:02.880 And most recently, Deputy Chief of Staff Stephen Miller of the Trump administration.

00:03:07.300 I think this tweet, this post got 30 million some views.

00:03:10.880 So this is not just hopped on one morning, had a back and forth.

00:03:14.720 It was of no account.

00:03:16.160 All caps, if you're listening, Governor Newsom's press office.

00:03:20.580 This is his account. 0.98

00:03:21.800 Stephen Miller is a fascist. 0.94

00:03:23.880 Five little words, all caps. 0.98

00:03:26.040 One feeling.

00:03:27.500 Stephen Miller is the worst thing that anyone could ever be.

00:03:31.080 And in this exchange, you'll see actually Stephen Miller kind of snipes back at him and just asks this.

00:03:35.840 Why do you think they posted this? 0.98

00:03:37.980 And Governor Newsom's press office responded, because you're a fascist.

00:03:41.940 I'm going to go into a couple more examples of fascism being used in our modern context.

00:03:46.100 But right there, I think perfectly encapsulates what you said at the beginning, which is why Stephen Miller asks it.

00:03:53.280 Why did he call me this?

00:03:54.780 Why come out?

00:03:55.900 Why this term?

00:03:56.960 I mean, the tweet had five words.

00:03:58.640 So this is not something big and descriptive.

00:04:00.960 And he chose one word. 0.98

00:04:03.560 Stephen Miller is a fascist. 0.85

00:04:06.220 For, let's see, what, did Stephen Miller take charge and, you know, kind of like Caesar, 0.99

00:04:10.720 like stab all his political opponents?

00:04:12.800 No, he didn't do that.

00:04:14.640 He wanted some law and order.

00:04:16.160 He's deploying immigration customs enforcement around our nation to take people that don't

00:04:22.480 belong here and send them home.

00:04:24.000 So for the crime of wanting to have a country, the governor of the biggest state in the union, the highest GDP, I mean, as California goes, goes the nation, comes out and says, because you want this and you want a country, you're a fascist. 0.51

00:04:36.940 And the implication being, and because you're a fascist, I can do anything I want, anything to oppose you.

00:04:43.700 Impunity. Yep. By today's standards, basically it's for those who want to degrade society 0.98

00:04:49.900 and ultimately erode all sense of law and order. Anyone who wants to impede them in that goal

00:04:56.860 is a fascist, right? So that's the way that the term is used today. You are a fascist because

00:05:02.680 you believe in law and order, because you won't let us get away with what we want to do, which 0.77

00:05:08.040 is to destroy your company to seize your children's inheritance and to erode away at the fabric of law

00:05:14.580 and order that built this civilization so that we can do with it whatever we want anybody who's 0.82

00:05:19.680 trying to stop us in that objective we're going to call a fascist and it seems hyperbolic like you

00:05:26.320 say then it's like oh come on okay governor of california let me give you another one right here

00:05:30.680 so this was a an exchange as well that went decently viral someone said this they said at

00:05:35.340 some point in the not too distant future we're going to have to choose between solving the actual

00:05:39.700 extremely real horrible problems our society is mired in a great example would be the stabbing

00:05:45.160 on the train that happened in august a black man unprovoked stabbed a white woman from behind

00:05:50.280 and killed her this is the case in point of horrible was a career criminal exactly this

00:05:55.240 was his 14th chance yep he'd been arrested and tried and released 13 or 14 prior times

00:06:01.780 so real problem in society and then this poster goes on and says we have to we have to have a

00:06:07.300 conversation how to solve these real problems and preserving a legal system that makes it

00:06:12.500 impossible to solve them so he's saying there's two options we we can actually solve the problems

00:06:17.620 in our society and do so lawfully right lawfully meaning ethically right morally or the choices

00:06:25.900 between that solving the real problems or preserving a legal system right the purpose

00:06:31.020 of a system is what it does, preserving our current legal system that makes it impossible

00:06:36.520 to solve these problems. So that's where people say, well, you're a fascist. It's like, no,

00:06:41.880 I'm trying to establish law and order so that career criminal, which is an oxymoron, doesn't

00:06:48.760 exist. And so that white girls don't get stabbed on a train, right? That's what we're trying to do. 0.98

00:06:54.080 We're trying to actually impose ethical, moral laws.

00:06:58.520 But these ethical and moral laws, because our current justice system has been so degraded over time, these moral and ethical laws are standing in direct contrast to the unethical and immoral laws that we currently have in our system today.

00:07:15.500 So those people who are leftists, they're going to say, that's fascism.

00:07:20.120 You want to change the law.

00:07:21.500 And we would say the law is only good, as the scripture says, if it be used lawfully.

00:07:28.180 We currently have unlawful laws and an unlawful justice system that does not achieve justice.

00:07:36.300 We should fix that.

00:07:37.740 And there is zero chance that you will be able to make any attempts in fixing our unlawful

00:07:44.740 legal system without being labeled a fascist.

00:07:48.160 And you can see here on the screen someone, James Surowiecki, why do they call us fascists?

00:07:54.440 Oh, wow, you want to solve this problem?

00:07:56.220 He's saying that sarcastically.

00:07:56.960 Why do they call you fascist?

00:07:58.780 Implying you are one, you're acting like one for wanting law and order.

00:08:03.220 Last example here, this is reporting from Infowars.

00:08:05.920 In Florida, a teacher watched forced 10-year-olds in their class to watch Charlie Kirk murder video again and again from the article that stated,

00:08:14.640 while playing the video repeatedly the teacher gave a speech to his students regarding anti-fascism

00:08:21.140 anti-trans and how charlie kirk deserved for this to occur the source added so you're all right i'm

00:08:27.880 in florida this is great you know where woke goes to die and you have a teacher playing charlie kirk's

00:08:33.040 video again and again for 10 year olds and what is he lecturing them on charlie kirk deserved it

00:08:38.560 and we need to be anti-fascists it's funny it's added right in there anti-trans as well 0.91

00:08:45.780 it's funny they always kind of go hand in hand so like antifa i mean one of the gayest groups 0.95

00:08:50.380 on earth like literally right full of gay people full of communists and it all kind of comes 0.93

00:08:55.780 alongside so like what do we oppose fascism what are we we're gay we're furries we're violent 0.98

00:09:02.520 we're unstable we're career criminals uh and so i i would say we're all on ssr we're all on 0.95

00:09:09.600 on uh depression drugs we're all depressed so from the highest to the lowest level uh these

00:09:14.040 are just small cases in point from i would say probably the last half decade of any type of

00:09:19.880 i want my country back hey this is wrong hey we get to have a country that's fascism that's

00:09:25.440 fascism and you can't do that and i don't think it's an exaggeration to say whether we would

00:09:30.060 literally you could literally say charlie kirk for sure the sentiment expressed by leftists after he

00:09:35.180 was killed but certainly other more minor acts of violence there was a man who attempted to kill the

00:09:40.500 supreme court justice brett kavanaugh this type of rhetoric results in real people being threatened

00:09:45.940 and in some cases actually dying because you're calling these people like you got to understand

00:09:50.880 this word has become it represents everything evil like that is the most evil thing that you

00:09:55.520 could be in the world to people like Newsom to leftists like this the worst thing that you could

00:10:00.500 be in the world is a fascist and what should we do our grandfathers they fought fascism and

00:10:05.380 I remember uh Captain America there's old comic books you know he's Captain America and he's

00:10:10.100 punching Nazis and like what would Captain America do and what would your grandfather do

00:10:14.240 he would go out there and he would punch Nazis and he would fight fascists and he would 0.96

00:10:19.120 maybe do a little bit more and it results in real violence against real people who most of them are

00:10:25.360 i mean brent kavanaugh the guy is not a neo-nazi come on now he's a moderate charlie kirk again

00:10:32.220 moderate these guys are not extremists they're not authoritarians they're not violent and uh and

00:10:37.640 these real good men are being threatened just for again wanting simple things that have been deemed

00:10:42.920 fascism by the left yeah and just for the record our great grandfathers you know we're even in the

00:10:48.480 case of maybe zoomers who are listening great great grandfathers who fought in world war ii

00:10:52.640 and fought some of these battles. Yes, they did fight a form of fascism, but had they known 0.66

00:11:00.320 that in the end that they would be fighting for gay furries and the mutilation of minors 0.78

00:11:07.320 and the abortion of a million babies in America alone per year, they wouldn't have done it. 0.81

00:11:13.680 They thought that they were fighting actual fascism that had gone way too far, that was

00:11:19.800 actually doing things that were unethical they did not realize that uh that their work and their

00:11:26.580 blood sweat and tears was going to be utilized by prior or following generations to label anyone

00:11:34.340 who believed all the things that they themselves believed and held dear as being a fascist there

00:11:40.560 was a survey of u.s troops i think it was from the early 40s so at the beginning of world war ii

00:11:44.880 which wasn't popular by the way the public did not really support going back into another

00:11:49.620 war but there was a survey of different attitudes some of it was towards jews some of it towards

00:11:54.020 different groups but 90 of the men surveyed and you can do with this what you want but 90 of the

00:11:59.180 men surveyed said they would rather lose the war to adolf hitler than end segregation like

00:12:04.080 practically that is what your grandfather believed they said sure you know we care about this war and

00:12:08.520 we want to win and there was a sense of patriotism especially here on the home front when it came

00:12:12.880 down to it if you asked them would you trade this for it a lot of them didn't feel that way they

00:12:17.640 would have said no. It was something like 60% of service members said they didn't think Jews should

00:12:21.640 be allowed in the U.S. after the war. You can have disagreements with your great-grandfather.

00:12:26.720 Hey, great-grandpa, I think you were a little bit off on this, or I think you're wrong with this

00:12:30.580 reason. My point is not that you have to agree with these men and their sentiments, but those

00:12:35.020 men, your great-grandfather, that's how they thought. For better or for worse, that's what

00:12:39.280 they thought. And at a certain level, I would expect to show some level of respect to them,

00:12:45.200 even with disagreement, even if I said, I wouldn't go that far, still say, but you know what? I also

00:12:52.020 respect that this is not crazy. It's not unhinged. If you are a Christian man, this doesn't void your

00:12:56.620 profession of Christian faith. I get it. Yeah. The generation that fought fascism never would

00:13:03.000 have dreamed, never would have even imagined that they themselves would be considered extreme

00:13:08.980 fascist by today's right by today's standards and that's you know because people on the left

00:13:15.740 they'll point to them and say well they fought fascism and they were the good guys you know

00:13:19.220 they fought adolf hitler and did this kind of stuff but all the things that they believed from

00:13:23.720 actual you know historically um recorded polls the things that they believed not just in tifa

00:13:30.540 but your average liberal today in america would would label as fascism that's the irony so the

00:13:37.060 guys who fought fascists, absolutely, in like 100% of cases, would be called fascist if they

00:13:43.780 were alive today and publicly communicated even a tenth of their views. Absolutely. It's incredibly

00:13:50.800 ironic. Let's go to our first commercial break and we'll talk about fascism historically.

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00:16:00.100 where the word actually comes from it has a very very ancient usage it goes all the way back to a

00:16:05.700 what a fascist is so fascist comes from the singular latin term fascist a fascist is a bundle

00:16:11.780 in a collection of fascists which is actually a group of sticks that are bundled around in axe

00:16:16.900 sometimes axe has one head sometimes it has two hold up are you saying that fascists are a bundle

00:16:22.020 of sticks. All right. It cannot be my ideology. On principle, if we're about to spend the rest 0.95

00:16:32.680 of this episode trying to say that a bundle of sticks that starts with a word that starts with

00:16:37.100 the letter F is somehow a good thing, I just... There's an ax in the middle. I can't get behind

00:16:40.940 it. Does that help? I don't know. All right. How about this? Go ahead. This picture you'll see on

00:16:45.680 screen. I'll describe it if you're listening. This is our house of representatives here in

00:16:50.220 these United States in the year of our Lord 2025. What I just described, sticks bound together around

00:16:56.460 an axe, is actually a symbol that stands right behind. So if the vice president is there, you

00:17:02.440 saw this with Trump when he addressed the nation, certainly behind the Speaker of the House. This is

00:17:07.720 a symbol that has been very common in our government from the beginning. It's the bundle of

00:17:11.940 sticks, it's the axe within it, and what it actually symbolized in Rome, a magistrate would go out and

00:17:16.800 he'd be surrounded by, it depended on his authority, it depended on how many provinces

00:17:21.120 he was over, but he'd be surrounded by 12 men that were called lictors, and these lictors

00:17:25.760 would carry with them these bundles, these fasces, and what it symbolized was the individual

00:17:32.160 brought under and bound together in the collective.

00:17:35.500 So, for example, if he was a magistrate over 12 provinces, he would have 12 lictors around

00:17:40.500 him, and they would carry these 12 bundles, and some of them were often inscribed with

00:17:44.280 the actual name of the provinces that he was over and what it symbolized and why he was carried. You

00:17:48.880 can even see coins that you see, for example, a prince going around and he's surrounded by these

00:17:53.620 men carrying these bundles. It symbolized the collective power of the state. Fascism is very

00:17:59.460 pro-state. There's a quote from Mussolini, the Italian fascist. He said, everything the state, 0.73

00:18:04.440 everything under the state, nothing against the state. That's essentially the version of the quote.

00:18:08.500 And so in ancient Rome, what it symbolized was we have law and we have rule of order and these

00:18:13.840 things matter. When I, the magistrate, go out and I visit and I come to the town or I walk through

00:18:19.260 your streets, I'm surrounded by men and what they carry with them is authority. And what you are

00:18:24.640 being communicated to, citizen of Rome, citizen of my province, is that you are not just an individual

00:18:30.020 doing your own thing. But bound together, our provinces, we're strong. Bound together, we wield

00:18:36.000 an axe. We have power. It's militaristic. So this symbol, all the way back going back to Rome,

00:18:41.120 that's what it represented represented law represented hierarchy and a represented power

00:18:47.060 and collectivism and collectivism and not just the atomistic individualism americans really

00:18:54.060 really really like but has not always been really really good yep so ironically enough uh again for

00:19:01.520 all the left bleeding about anti-fascism you'll see here uh so this is our house of representatives

00:19:06.580 this is a very concerning

00:19:08.920 very concerning right wing

00:19:10.800 revolutionary founder of this great nation

00:19:12.940 George Washington and you'll see

00:19:14.920 there that he has his hands

00:19:16.900 on top of a bundle

00:19:19.140 a collection of rods bound

00:19:20.940 together with an X

00:19:22.340 a fascist symbolizing

00:19:24.560 a word that starts with the letter F

00:19:26.200 I'm having a hard time

00:19:28.960 getting past this keep going

00:19:29.980 this is the Lincoln Memorial

00:19:33.320 and the Lincoln Memorial

00:19:35.500 does have those which lincoln may actually have been i mean of all guys i think about it like i'm

00:19:40.480 gonna pillage and burn half of this half of the country to keep them together with my military 0.98

00:19:45.280 because you really love black people no i actually want to send them away and uh i use the n-word on 0.99

00:19:50.200 regular occasion but uh lincoln lincoln was not our guy go ahead no and america saw that as a 0.73

00:19:58.200 continuity with the rome of old remember that we have a republic so we're not this raw democracy

00:20:02.940 we represent a republic and a republic has different representatives in it and it's a

00:20:07.260 balance of an aristocracy, an executive branch, so your type of monarch, trying to bring all of

00:20:13.440 those elements together. We saw ourselves very much so in continuity with Rome and what I want

00:20:18.380 to get across in this segment before in the last segment, we get into the history, we get into the

00:20:22.660 1900s movement specifically known as fascism, is that America very much so saw its continuity

00:20:29.260 and saw itself as anti-liberal, anti-egalitarian.

00:20:33.780 And these symbols are not accidents.

00:20:36.020 I mean, we're talking about the back wall

00:20:37.560 in the Speaker of the House.

00:20:39.220 All of the representatives of all the states of America

00:20:41.960 face that wall.

00:20:43.280 It stands over where the Speaker of the House resides.

00:20:47.340 And what's been chosen to be there,

00:20:48.760 for better or worse,

00:20:49.700 is a symbol of collective strength,

00:20:52.880 a symbol of collective authority,

00:20:54.960 a symbol of hierarchy.

00:20:56.640 If you have a Speaker of the House,

00:20:58.320 Well, he's just another representative. What makes him so special? Well, he's a part of the ruling party and he's a he's more mature. He's better at his job. He's more well networked. He's better than you. And nowhere in our history do we see these things as antithetical to the American spirit. Our emphasis on democracy, our emphasis on equality, our emphasis on occlusion. Those are much later additions that come post World War Two.

00:21:23.240 but you have to understand for 200 years of american history we very much so i mean it would

00:21:30.680 be in almost unrecognizable people that look back that they think america was this place that made

00:21:36.080 this wonderful promise right we hold these truths to be self-evident that all men are created equal

00:21:40.860 well that was america and she just wanted to expand more rights to more people expand them

00:21:45.320 to african americans and expand them to women and now we're here and we're expanding them to gays

00:21:49.980 that was not america and we see that because we see what was written we see how our buildings 0.80

00:21:55.600 are adorned we understood once upon a time but not anymore we understood hierarchy we understood

00:22:02.620 authority we understood rule of law and in a broad sense uh we'll get into the narrow expression of

00:22:09.040 it in a little bit fascism is trying to capture a little bit of that a little bit of a time where

00:22:13.780 no we actually recognize that uh egalitarian principles well everyone's equal in all facets

00:22:19.720 and everyone deserves to participate.

00:22:22.440 We should be ruled by the people, democracy.

00:22:25.640 Some of what we're getting back to is,

00:22:27.020 can we go back to a time like Rome

00:22:28.820 where we recognized the aristocrats,

00:22:31.580 where we recognized the supremacy of the law,

00:22:34.020 where we recognized beauty and architecture and rule?

00:22:37.960 I think that's some of what's being captured.

00:22:40.300 Again, it's in our symbols.

00:22:41.460 It's in our continuity with Rome.

00:22:44.500 We kind of long for that time to be had again.

00:22:47.700 Yeah.

00:22:47.780 let's go to our second commercial break and we come back we'll land the segment by talking

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00:26:11.840 legacy with God's timeless treasure. Well, we've talked about how the term is used today,

00:26:20.060 and we've talked about some of the historical backing, but I think everyone listening is kind

00:26:23.580 of like okay you've got to get to the meat of it there was a movement a series of movements in the

00:26:28.320 1900s that explicitly turned themselves fascist and that's what really everyone kind of gets at

00:26:34.240 so if it's whether today well you're acting like a fascist like this movement that happened in the

00:26:39.780 1920s and the 1930s you're acting like a fascist you're acting acting like the nazis and so Karl

00:26:45.540 Marx writes the communist manifesto in 1849 so a good bit before the 1900s 50 some years he of

00:26:53.400 course, dies before he ever lives to see it. But in October of 1917, Lenin and the Bolsheviks

00:26:59.420 actually complete the first successful communist revolution on a major scale. And you have then,

00:27:05.760 Lenin obviously passes away relatively quickly, and you have Stalin that gets into power in

00:27:09.900 the 1920s. In combination with that, Germany at the Treaty of Versailles is sacked with

00:27:15.460 a number of sanctions that absolutely devastate their economy, and you have the rest of Europe

00:27:20.240 recovering from World War I. And so in that time, the 1920s leading into the 30s,

00:27:25.940 you have basically left-wing Bolshevism, left-wing communism, and it's absolutely doing numbers on

00:27:33.240 Western Europe. So this would be Italy, this would be Germany, this would be Spain, and to a lesser

00:27:37.560 degree, Britain to the north. And communism, we're talking about communists that are violent. We're

00:27:42.840 talking about, in many ways, their Antifa is very much so right in line with them. They're spiritual

00:27:49.620 children. They're violent. They're disruptive. They're revolutionaries. So we're not talking like 1.00

00:27:54.580 formal wars where actual armies can be observed. They march out to the battlefield. But assassinations,

00:28:00.980 firebombing, destroying political parties, assassinations, all of that. That's what the

00:28:06.800 left is doing. And so you had a series of counter right-wing movements to counter the left-wing

00:28:12.500 infiltration that happened. Charles Haywood, he had a great review. This is Paul Gottfried's book,

00:28:17.240 fascism, the career of a concept, really getting into historically narrowly what it was. And

00:28:22.320 Charles Haywood, as a summary, he said this. He says that it does seem, however, that fascism only

00:28:26.760 arises, at least historically, when the left has fully embarked on its ruination of a particular

00:28:32.780 nation and existing right structures have shown themselves incapable of putting down the evil.

00:28:38.980 And so you had, whether it was in Germany or whether it was in Spain with Franco, and I

00:28:43.340 realized that Franco wasn't necessarily in the narrow sense of fascist but essentially different

00:28:48.820 structures and different right-wing movements you can kind of imagine the neocons of today

00:28:52.840 they'd failed to contain leftism they had no response Bukele he's called a fascist by a great

00:28:59.360 example so the left is there in the case of El Salvador they're violent people are afraid to go 0.63

00:29:05.280 outside of their homes it's not just uh safety either religion uh in Italy at the time uh communists

00:29:12.340 were exhuming bodies of nuns and desecrate them, firebombing churches. There's a point in World War

00:29:18.260 II where they were forcing priests to take communion with molten lead. So violent leftist

00:29:23.940 revolutionaries inflicted on Western Europe in the wake of World War I led to about a series of

00:29:29.860 four different counter right-wing movements that are generally broadly termed fascism. Again,

00:29:35.900 Italy with Francisco Franco, that's not really kind of technically fascism in the sense because

00:29:41.280 he was probably more a religious figure. But you had Italy, for better or for worse. You had Germany,

00:29:46.520 which Germany, most scholars would agree, isn't really fascism. It was actually a distinction

00:29:50.980 called national socialism, which was much more racially focused. So you had Italy, you had

00:29:55.680 Germany. Italy is the most pure expression of fascism. And in that even too, it was kind of a 0.67

00:30:01.100 post-hoc justification, an assemblage philosophically for Mussolini after he took power.

00:30:06.660 This is one of the hallmarks of fascism is you have a populist charismatic leader and he comes

00:30:12.760 to power and he kind of embodies that ethos of, again, power, rule of law, resistance to the left.

00:30:19.420 But to Heiwood's point here in this quote, it's always arising in response to the left. And it's

00:30:25.480 not just the left like, well, we're going to raise the minimum wage. We're talking when the left has

00:30:30.420 finally kind of reached its culmination. Like in Germany, you have to understand in the early 1920s,

00:30:35.880 Germany was destroyed they had no money because they were forced with all of this war debt

00:30:41.280 and a number of different international individuals had come in and were all sorts of 1.00

00:30:47.240 degeneracy and perversion especially in Berlin you have the first for example first transgender 0.83

00:30:54.060 surgeries being done there in the 1920s so its nations pushed to their edge by leftism and then 0.98

00:31:00.700 you have, what had happened in the 1900s, counter-right-wing movements that came back

00:31:06.160 with force, the fascists, whether it be Franco. The other one that's not mentioned because he

00:31:10.480 didn't succeed historically was Oswald Mosley. Mosley up in Britain, he advanced a form of

00:31:15.620 fascism. And with all of these different movements, there's not one single characteristic

00:31:19.660 that unifies them. That's why I best describe it as a right-wing movement that is a response to

00:31:25.400 the left-wing. For example, this is kind of interesting. We always think of fascism as

00:31:29.880 being anti-semitic. But if you read Mussolini, for instance, and he changed on this a little

00:31:35.020 bit into the 30s, but listen to him writing in the 1920s. I mean, this is the archetypal

00:31:39.420 Italian fascist. He says this, Italy knows no anti-semitism, and we believe that it will never

00:31:45.360 know it. But it's hoped that Italian Jews will continue to be sensible enough so as to not give

00:31:49.840 rise to anti-semitism in the only country where it has never existed. And so even within like right 0.61

00:31:55.860 here is that can jews please avoid the leading cause of anti-semitism which is jewish behavior 0.83

00:32:02.780 exactly and so there's no single unifying thing well this is anti-semitism and this is fascism

00:32:08.500 or it's this or whatever in context it was and i think in the in the name of honesty we should

00:32:14.540 just say yeah uh what what is that uh what what what kind of describes it well it was a series

00:32:20.100 of 1920s pushback against the demon of communism and bolshevism which went on to do terrible things

00:32:28.960 i mean to the ussr so the federation of soviet states that were melted under it you have to

00:32:33.720 understand that like by like the 50s and 60s almost half the world was under communism like

00:32:38.940 there was a reason we used to say better red or better dead than red in the united states we fought

00:32:44.620 a cold war we had nuclear weapons there was points where it's like are we gonna all just

00:32:48.660 obliterate ourselves with nuclear weapons and bring on the end times like that's what was

00:32:53.140 happening and so narrowly speaking in this in the interest of honesty i think this is the best way

00:32:59.780 to describe it define it and speak of it fascism what is it what is it uh what is it described as

00:33:06.740 a series of early 1900s revolutionary reactionary right-wing movements against the rise of communism

00:33:13.220 marked by a strong sense of nationalism one party control and populist leaders i think that's what

00:33:19.460 it is yeah it can be done badly it can be done theoretically if it's a christian like especially

00:33:24.740 in italy like franco was catholic and he was not a big fan of protestants but that's that's why

00:33:30.260 tolkien uh c.s lewis and tolkien you know they had multiple conversations about this and they

00:33:34.820 sharply disagreed with one another so lewis um who we like we appreciate cs lewis a lot but uh

00:33:40.900 he did not like uh franco he thought that he was a fascist and that was very bad whereas tolkien

00:33:47.380 was like uh you know i actually like him and appreciate him and the big difference was

00:33:52.580 between them was likely a more personal bias more subjective than actually objective lewis

00:33:58.580 being a protestant didn't really have any sympathy for all you know the things that

00:34:03.380 franco was doing and the people that he was protecting whereas tolkien being catholic

00:34:07.140 uh he was looking at italy and what was going on and saying they're raping nuns and so he was like

00:34:14.520 and of course i support the one who like the napoleon quote you know the one who saves his

00:34:19.380 country violates no law right so he looked at franco as a hero and lewis said it seems a bit

00:34:25.960 extreme and even when it comes to franco like i mentioned he was catholic not a fan of protestants

00:34:30.780 but i actually had the privileges probably about four months or so ago at this point i posted

00:34:34.780 is something related to Franco. And someone reached out to me whose family had, they were

00:34:38.360 actually Baptists in Italy during the time, I think it was through the 70s, that Franco was

00:34:42.800 essentially the monarch of Italy. And they said it was tough. You had to apply for government

00:34:46.280 exemptions. This was not like a rubber stamp on a piece of paper. But all of them agreed that even

00:34:51.860 as Protestants, even being unfavored, so you did not get to have, you know, you did not get to have

00:34:56.940 your prime spot in the town square. You did not get to probably even hold public office. They said 0.57

00:35:01.680 still even then it was so much better than the communist violence that we were facing so to

00:35:09.060 varying degrees there's numbers of different different instantiations of it but an example

00:35:13.640 of italy like yeah uh a catholic christian prince came in and said the violence will cease now he

00:35:21.240 himself violently suppressed communism but but we're talking communism you have to what do you

00:35:26.840 have other recourse do you have there's a famous quote and i'm not saying that i like it so i'm

00:35:31.320 not saying oh i love this and i want to do this and i'm prescribing this i'm just saying this is

00:35:35.200 a famous quote and i'm not saying it as a prescription but i think that it is a fairly

00:35:40.720 accurate description the quote is this you can vote your way into communism but you can only

00:35:46.960 shoot your way out and i think there's truth there that like we have by by extending the vote to

00:35:53.940 everyone universal suffrage so you're on welfare you don't produce anything you don't work you

00:35:59.040 don't pay any taxes. You don't feed your own family. Everyone else is paying for you. And 0.56

00:36:03.920 you're a liability and a weight on the tax system. You get to vote. You're a man. You get to vote.

00:36:11.160 You're a woman. You get to vote. You are an immigrant who goes to a particular city who 0.98

00:36:17.180 you're not even a citizen, but that city allows you get to vote through mail-in ballots and ballot 0.89

00:36:22.960 harvesting oh a bunch of even illegals are are effectively voting in certain cities and this has

00:36:29.540 been proven in certain cities in new york and these kinds of things so when you when you expand

00:36:33.900 to where everyone gets to vote um then politicians quickly discover and this is why they open your

00:36:39.980 borders and things like this that uh people will vote for stuff and so all they have to do is

00:36:44.160 promise people but the politicians don't promise their stuff they promise your stuff so they

00:36:48.800 promise your stuff uh in order to secure votes for themselves and so then what ultimately happens

00:36:55.000 is you just keep it's it's just a race to the bottom and and it's just um it's it's appealing

00:37:00.420 to uh the most base appetites of the lowest you know sector of the population and so you can vote

00:37:08.360 your way into degeneracy you can vote your way into poverty you can vote your way into tyranny

00:37:13.500 vote your way into all kinds of things uh but but then when the people finally wake up the core of

00:37:19.780 a nation call them christians call them uh call them heritage americans whatever you you want to

00:37:27.120 define that is but when the core of the nation who is producing everything and having their stuff

00:37:32.160 taken and given to all the immigrants and all the poor and all the criminals and all these kinds of

00:37:36.380 stuff when they wake up and realize oh i live in a communist nation and they want out uh they they

00:37:41.620 can't vote their way out it's not a matter of like well let's just do you know more uh tours

00:37:47.000 on college campuses and inform the youth you know the the youths they'll save us you know and if we

00:37:52.260 know that you you can't they they are they're they're pouring in millions and millions a year

00:37:59.080 of immigrants and there's not enough heritage americans that are even having children you can

00:38:05.040 say well that's their own fault you know like uh well yeah in in some sense it's licentiousness 0.81

00:38:10.300 and and a lot of bad ideology in another sense people are not having children because they they

00:38:15.760 don't feel like they can afford to have children they don't feel like that they could provide

00:38:19.160 for those children so there's a there's a certain tipping point and when a nation gets there

00:38:23.540 where where the the the native core population the heritage portion of that population

00:38:30.120 basically just becomes um a shriveled host and the parasite is now bigger than the host itself

00:38:37.220 and it's and it's barely on life support the host barely still surviving at that point you literally

00:38:43.940 don't have the numbers to vote your way out so then the only way to get out is force and you

00:38:49.760 try to use as little force as possible right if you're trying to be ethical you try to do it as

00:38:54.660 much as you can according to the law most importantly you try to do it according to the

00:38:58.940 word of god you try to have fair trials you have to you know all these things but you're not going

00:39:03.940 to simply be able to get out without uh through just simply voting you're going to have to fight

00:39:10.180 you're going to have to fight your way out and anytime historically a nation has hit that point

00:39:15.280 um that's if you're wondering what do we call fascism in a nutshell what we call fascism

00:39:21.580 is anytime in history that the native working upstanding population of a nation gets uh beaten

00:39:29.420 down robbed um and and loses the simple majority within the nation to where they can't vote their

00:39:37.260 way out but they still decide gosh darn it we want to have a country that's fascism i like how

00:39:43.500 daryl cooper he summarized it this way he said uh so i gave my narrow historical you know nerdy 0.77

00:39:48.180 definition he said it this way fascism is just the word used by freaks and degenerates when normal

00:39:53.580 people realize the left won't stop unless it's forced to that's it say it one more time

00:39:58.780 fascism is just the word used by freaks and degenerates when normal people realize the left

00:40:05.300 won't stop unless it's forced to that's it that's fascism yeah i would say too uh you're going to get

00:40:11.060 called it you're a good christian man a good christian pastor you're in the public square

00:40:14.540 you're advocating for your country you're advocating for a form of christian nationalism

00:40:18.320 you will be called a fascist and there's a way of kind of doing this there's a

00:40:21.740 well the actually the real fascists are kamala harris the democrats right the real racists right

00:40:28.260 or i'm not that they're going to call it you it guys they're going to say it if we are going to 0.83

00:40:33.560 defeat the left they are going to bleat this word all the way till the setting sun they're going to

00:40:38.980 call you it you have to let it have no effect on you have your heart and your conscience clear

00:40:43.480 before god and then say i will do what it takes lawfully and biblically to have my country and

00:40:49.600 there is not a word under the sun that you can hurl at me and i can go well don't call me that

00:40:56.080 I'm not that mean they're going to call you it let it be water off a duck's back it is what it is

00:41:01.500 let me give a quick pastoral word here so you're absolutely right they're going to call you a

00:41:05.940 fascist no matter what and you have to be resolved in your heart and before the Lord with a clear

00:41:10.060 conscience by God we'll have our home again we're going to do it justly we're going to do it

00:41:15.740 righteously but it is going to require strength we're not going to be able to just go and change

00:41:21.560 hearts and minds and have civil discussions. That's what Charlie Kirk did, and they killed

00:41:26.880 him. Charlie Kirk tried to have civil discussions. The left doesn't have arguments, so they don't

00:41:32.880 have discussions. But what the left does have, instead of arguments, is bullets, and they will

00:41:37.760 use them. And so when you're at that point in a nation, and sadly, I would say we're at that

00:41:42.760 point. I don't think the right put us in this place, but the left did. They drove us to this

00:41:46.880 point um and when you're at that point uh you're going to have to fight back and when you fight

00:41:52.320 back you will be called a fascist and everything you said wesley is is so good you have to not let

00:41:56.580 it affect you however i want to add this uh this i don't know ammunition um i i remember a couple

00:42:05.320 years ago when christian nationalists was the term that everyone was throwing around and and

00:42:10.340 we basically all you know guys on the right who were christian had um had a decision in that

00:42:16.120 moment, right? To do the calculus and saying, okay, is this a term that I can own? Or is this

00:42:21.800 a term that I would rather not pick up, right? They keep hurling it at me. Do I want to catch it

00:42:28.200 and wear it? Or do I want to keep deflecting? And when it comes to the term fascist, what Wes is

00:42:35.580 saying, and I completely agree, is what you can't do is allow the rhetoric of the left to stop you

00:42:43.360 or inhibit you. So you must keep going. That doesn't mean you have to wear it. So Christian

00:42:49.580 nationalists, I remember, you know, it was about three years ago. And when that started being

00:42:53.820 thrown around, I was like, you know what? I can work with that term. That's not so bad. That's

00:42:58.100 not so bad. And so I was like, yeah, sure. I'm a Christian nationalist. Fact. I kind of like it.

00:43:03.120 Yeah, I absolutely. And then I ended up writing a whole statement with a group of guys on Christian

00:43:06.760 nationalism and doing multiple broadcasts. And so Christian nationalism, I was like, I can work

00:43:10.960 with that. Fascist, again, the technical definition of a fascist, I do not believe is inherently

00:43:18.240 evil. When you look at, if you put side by side the technical definition of a communist and the

00:43:23.640 technical definition of a fascist, it's not as though, hey, you could be a good communist or a

00:43:29.320 bad one. No, baked into the definition itself, the technical definition of communism includes

00:43:35.020 multiple tenets that directly contradict the law of God. So there's no such thing as a good

00:43:40.660 communists fascism you could be a bad fascist um being ungodly unrighteous unbiblical fascist 0.55

00:43:47.800 or you could with just looking at the technical definition you could do fascism well that said 0.53

00:43:54.320 um i don't feel about the term fascism the way i did about christian nationalism christian

00:44:01.260 nationalism i thought you know what uh that that one i'm not just going to wear the hat metaphorically

00:44:05.700 that one i think we should literally make hats and physically literally wear i mean it's great

00:44:10.340 christian nationalists sign me up um whereas fascists i think that um there's just there's so 0.55

00:44:17.020 much um historical just historical garbage attached with it um whether whether and and so

00:44:26.500 then you have to decide like like what you were saying you can't let the the rhetoric of the left 0.95

00:44:30.840 stop you well one way to let them stop you is cowardice they called me a fascist oh and so i'm

00:44:35.460 going to stop because i don't want to be called a bad name another way though to actually allow

00:44:39.660 your enemies to inhibit you and slow you down maybe not stop you but slow you down is to wear

00:44:44.560 a particular label that inherently may not be evil in and of itself but has so much baggage attached

00:44:51.960 to it that you're now going to be spending 90 percent of your time saying well technically

00:44:56.640 well technically well technically you know you know what i mean so like that's actually one way

00:45:00.300 to be slowed down is i'm not going to be slowed down by cowardice in fact i'll wear the fascist

00:45:05.480 label i am a christian fascist right um but now um on on twitter like 12 times a day uh you're 0.73

00:45:14.580 being retweeted because you tweeted out i am a fascist and so now um you actually are ironically

00:45:21.220 still being slowed down not not from apathy due to cowardice uh but but just um just the monotonous

00:45:28.640 grind of constantly trying to have to uh uh to win the battle for the dictionary and be able to own

00:45:34.800 the term and be able to win the battle for who gets to define the term and all the clarifications

00:45:41.620 and all the disclaimers. So in that sense, I just don't think it's worth it. But I do want to go on

00:45:46.500 record today saying, I do not believe that fascism in its root technical definition is inherently

00:45:52.800 evil. I don't believe that. I think that there have historically been guys who were fascists

00:45:58.560 that were good. There are guys who were bad. And with most people throughout history, it's usually

00:46:04.080 some of both um so i i do think that you could hold to the tenets of fascism um but but through

00:46:11.200 a christian view and doing things righteously as unto the lord um but i would not uh i would not

00:46:20.180 print out that label and wear it on my shirt because i think it's just going to create more

00:46:25.520 problems than solutions what's going to have to happen in america is something new too you can't

00:46:30.600 LARP in the south for instance we need to go back to the south and we're going to flag the

00:46:34.620 fly the confederate flag and I get it there's a love for the south there but your your Dixieland 0.63

00:46:40.200 movement is not going to grow and swell like what's going to have to happen in America it's 0.68

00:46:45.360 going to be historically novel and we're not going to be able to take the symbols and the ideas

00:46:49.300 and just take them and just park them onto America for one we're huge like we're just we're not the

00:46:54.760 same as different movements we're not the size of Italy we're not the size of Germany so those

00:46:59.260 solutions are not going to work here it's going to be something new it's going to have a new vision

00:47:03.400 it's going to have a new look and and it can be kind of larpy to be like well we we take out our

00:47:08.200 confederate flag and do our reenactments or we we're we're christian fascists and we're going

00:47:12.420 to save this label it's going to be really tough to do what i would prefer to put my energy and

00:47:18.940 time into is not trying to grab something from the past good bad or indifferent and haul it into the

00:47:24.280 future and do all this work of no guys you have to understand this is what it really is we're

00:47:28.980 going to have a new movement uh it's going to look different christian nationalism is a great

00:47:32.500 example that's why i like christian nationalism it doesn't have it's um that's that's well said

00:47:38.940 because in in the um in the true sense there's you know the book of ecclesiastes there's nothing

00:47:44.680 new under the sun like in the true sense um there's not one tenant of christian nationalism

00:47:49.720 that wasn't already modeled by king david josiah um the founders of america king alfred you know

00:47:58.600 multiple like so there's really nothing novel there but uh but words matter and and names and

00:48:05.140 labels matter all the more uh what you know what's going to be the placeholder that uh that that names

00:48:11.840 and describes your movement your ideology um and so having something that that's not old and has

00:48:18.600 baggage attached to it is incredibly advantageous and so christian nationalism as a concept is not

00:48:25.260 novel as a label is somewhat novel and that is i think an advantage yep and i get guys i understand

00:48:32.300 they're saying like hey we fought we understand how the left gets violent and what the left does

00:48:37.980 like we're literally seeing it like wow a political assassination this was one of the things that

00:48:42.300 precipitated the spanish civil war leading up to franco's rise to power political assassinations

00:48:47.980 by the left shocker i haven't seen this one before so i understand when people say we have the

00:48:53.060 playbook totally okay do those things but do them under the new name use the playbook be shrewd but

00:48:59.580 rename the place exactly yeah and and here's the deal because if you try to run the same way when

00:49:04.560 you're dead and buried and six feet under dirt um you know a hundred years from now historians will

00:49:10.120 look back and say oh uh that was a fascist movement and they can call you that but let them call you

00:49:16.100 that after you run the plays and win after you win that's right after you win okay uh that was

00:49:22.880 a great episode super helpful for me i uh what i love about our podcast is uh i'll sit down next

00:49:28.340 to west i'll be like uh so what am i going to be learning about today and he's like joel you're not

00:49:32.680 supposed to be learning the audience is supposed to be learning uh but no that was really helpful

00:49:38.280 just to understand some of the history of fascism uh some uh a technical definition of the term and

00:49:43.720 then the way that it's you know wielded as a bludgeon today um and and then just at the end

00:49:49.500 i think some practical advice i think will really help a lot of our young male listeners to not uh 0.97

00:49:54.960 to not just you know be stupid and ruin their life so anything else you want to share i think 0.96

00:50:00.160 that's it all right well thanks for tuning in 0.99

The NXR Podcast - October 15, 2025

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