THE LIVESTREAM - What Is Fascism？
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In this episode, we discuss the term "fascism" and how it is used by the left as a tool to attack anyone who stands in their way. Is it a term that should be redeemed? Is it inherently evil to be a fascist? Are there ways of being a good or bad fascist? These are the questions that we ll seek to answer in today's episode.
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today we're going to be talking about fascism all right we're going to break it up into three
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different segments in the first segment we're going to be talking about fascism as it's defined
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or how it's used as a bludgeon today by the left the left will call anyone a fascist if basically
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you just want to have a country if you want to have law and order if you don't want your wife
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to be having her throat slit on a train by a career criminal who's been arrested 13, 14 times
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prior. So that's how the term is used today. It's just used to try as an insult, to hurl,
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to try to get you to stop standing in the way of the leftist revolutionaries, the communists,
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who very much are trying to destroy our nation. But then in our second segment, we'll get a little
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bit into more of the history of fascism. And in the third segment, we'd be remiss if we didn't
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focus at least a good portion of our time on the most notable historic cases of fascism the ones
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that people think about the most we'll talk about uh franco and then we'll also talk about the third
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reich and germany and hitler that'll be the episode for today what is fascism um what are
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some of the similarities with right-wing movements that there are today what are the differences and
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distinctions? Is this a term that should be redeemed? Should we try to own the term and use
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the term? Is it inherently evil to be a fascist, or are there ways of being a good fascist or a
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bad fascist? These are the questions that we'll seek to answer in today's episode. Tune in now.
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we're talking today about fascism and it's been this topic where it's kind of one of the things
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where you don't really want to to cover it and talk about it's one of these kind of ideas i think
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in its narrow sense it was a historical right-wing counter movement to leftism and communism as it
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encroached into europe that's what it was historically that's what it's been defined as
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no movement, no fascist movement has existed for about 75 years in any real sense. And so it would
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be this thing that, like many political movements of the past, have come and gone. But there's a
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group of people that are very insistent that we are not going to let this thing go. And most
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insistent, you'll see him right there in the thumbnail, would be a big one, Governor Gavin
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Newsom, Mussolini, as he's sometimes called in reference to the Italian fascist Benito Mussolini.
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And most recently, Deputy Chief of Staff Stephen Miller of the Trump administration.
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I think this tweet, this post got 30 million some views.
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So this is not just hopped on one morning, had a back and forth.
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All caps, if you're listening, Governor Newsom's press office.
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Stephen Miller is the worst thing that anyone could ever be.
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And in this exchange, you'll see actually Stephen Miller kind of snipes back at him and just asks this.
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And Governor Newsom's press office responded, because you're a fascist.
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I'm going to go into a couple more examples of fascism being used in our modern context.
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But right there, I think perfectly encapsulates what you said at the beginning, which is why Stephen Miller asks it.
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For, let's see, what, did Stephen Miller take charge and, you know, kind of like Caesar,
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He's deploying immigration customs enforcement around our nation to take people that don't
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So for the crime of wanting to have a country, the governor of the biggest state in the union, the highest GDP, I mean, as California goes, goes the nation, comes out and says, because you want this and you want a country, you're a fascist.
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And the implication being, and because you're a fascist, I can do anything I want, anything to oppose you.
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Impunity. Yep. By today's standards, basically it's for those who want to degrade society
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and ultimately erode all sense of law and order. Anyone who wants to impede them in that goal
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is a fascist, right? So that's the way that the term is used today. You are a fascist because
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you believe in law and order, because you won't let us get away with what we want to do, which
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is to destroy your company to seize your children's inheritance and to erode away at the fabric of law
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and order that built this civilization so that we can do with it whatever we want anybody who's
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trying to stop us in that objective we're going to call a fascist and it seems hyperbolic like you
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say then it's like oh come on okay governor of california let me give you another one right here
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so this was a an exchange as well that went decently viral someone said this they said at
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some point in the not too distant future we're going to have to choose between solving the actual
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extremely real horrible problems our society is mired in a great example would be the stabbing
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on the train that happened in august a black man unprovoked stabbed a white woman from behind
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and killed her this is the case in point of horrible was a career criminal exactly this
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was his 14th chance yep he'd been arrested and tried and released 13 or 14 prior times
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so real problem in society and then this poster goes on and says we have to we have to have a
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conversation how to solve these real problems and preserving a legal system that makes it
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impossible to solve them so he's saying there's two options we we can actually solve the problems
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in our society and do so lawfully right lawfully meaning ethically right morally or the choices
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between that solving the real problems or preserving a legal system right the purpose
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of a system is what it does, preserving our current legal system that makes it impossible
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to solve these problems. So that's where people say, well, you're a fascist. It's like, no,
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I'm trying to establish law and order so that career criminal, which is an oxymoron, doesn't
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exist. And so that white girls don't get stabbed on a train, right? That's what we're trying to do.
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We're trying to actually impose ethical, moral laws.
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But these ethical and moral laws, because our current justice system has been so degraded over time, these moral and ethical laws are standing in direct contrast to the unethical and immoral laws that we currently have in our system today.
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So those people who are leftists, they're going to say, that's fascism.
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And we would say the law is only good, as the scripture says, if it be used lawfully.
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We currently have unlawful laws and an unlawful justice system that does not achieve justice.
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And there is zero chance that you will be able to make any attempts in fixing our unlawful
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And you can see here on the screen someone, James Surowiecki, why do they call us fascists?
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Implying you are one, you're acting like one for wanting law and order.
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Last example here, this is reporting from Infowars.
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In Florida, a teacher watched forced 10-year-olds in their class to watch Charlie Kirk murder video again and again from the article that stated,
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while playing the video repeatedly the teacher gave a speech to his students regarding anti-fascism
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anti-trans and how charlie kirk deserved for this to occur the source added so you're all right i'm
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in florida this is great you know where woke goes to die and you have a teacher playing charlie kirk's
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video again and again for 10 year olds and what is he lecturing them on charlie kirk deserved it
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and we need to be anti-fascists it's funny it's added right in there anti-trans as well
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it's funny they always kind of go hand in hand so like antifa i mean one of the gayest groups
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on earth like literally right full of gay people full of communists and it all kind of comes
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alongside so like what do we oppose fascism what are we we're gay we're furries we're violent
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we're unstable we're career criminals uh and so i i would say we're all on ssr we're all on
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on uh depression drugs we're all depressed so from the highest to the lowest level uh these
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are just small cases in point from i would say probably the last half decade of any type of
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i want my country back hey this is wrong hey we get to have a country that's fascism that's
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fascism and you can't do that and i don't think it's an exaggeration to say whether we would
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literally you could literally say charlie kirk for sure the sentiment expressed by leftists after he
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was killed but certainly other more minor acts of violence there was a man who attempted to kill the
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supreme court justice brett kavanaugh this type of rhetoric results in real people being threatened
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and in some cases actually dying because you're calling these people like you got to understand
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this word has become it represents everything evil like that is the most evil thing that you
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could be in the world to people like Newsom to leftists like this the worst thing that you could
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be in the world is a fascist and what should we do our grandfathers they fought fascism and
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I remember uh Captain America there's old comic books you know he's Captain America and he's
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punching Nazis and like what would Captain America do and what would your grandfather do
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he would go out there and he would punch Nazis and he would fight fascists and he would
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maybe do a little bit more and it results in real violence against real people who most of them are
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i mean brent kavanaugh the guy is not a neo-nazi come on now he's a moderate charlie kirk again
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moderate these guys are not extremists they're not authoritarians they're not violent and uh and
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these real good men are being threatened just for again wanting simple things that have been deemed
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fascism by the left yeah and just for the record our great grandfathers you know we're even in the
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case of maybe zoomers who are listening great great grandfathers who fought in world war ii
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and fought some of these battles. Yes, they did fight a form of fascism, but had they known
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that in the end that they would be fighting for gay furries and the mutilation of minors
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and the abortion of a million babies in America alone per year, they wouldn't have done it.
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They thought that they were fighting actual fascism that had gone way too far, that was
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actually doing things that were unethical they did not realize that uh that their work and their
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blood sweat and tears was going to be utilized by prior or following generations to label anyone
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who believed all the things that they themselves believed and held dear as being a fascist there
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was a survey of u.s troops i think it was from the early 40s so at the beginning of world war ii
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which wasn't popular by the way the public did not really support going back into another
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war but there was a survey of different attitudes some of it was towards jews some of it towards
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different groups but 90 of the men surveyed and you can do with this what you want but 90 of the
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men surveyed said they would rather lose the war to adolf hitler than end segregation like
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practically that is what your grandfather believed they said sure you know we care about this war and
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we want to win and there was a sense of patriotism especially here on the home front when it came
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down to it if you asked them would you trade this for it a lot of them didn't feel that way they
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would have said no. It was something like 60% of service members said they didn't think Jews should
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be allowed in the U.S. after the war. You can have disagreements with your great-grandfather.
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Hey, great-grandpa, I think you were a little bit off on this, or I think you're wrong with this
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reason. My point is not that you have to agree with these men and their sentiments, but those
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men, your great-grandfather, that's how they thought. For better or for worse, that's what
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they thought. And at a certain level, I would expect to show some level of respect to them,
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even with disagreement, even if I said, I wouldn't go that far, still say, but you know what? I also
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respect that this is not crazy. It's not unhinged. If you are a Christian man, this doesn't void your
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profession of Christian faith. I get it. Yeah. The generation that fought fascism never would
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have dreamed, never would have even imagined that they themselves would be considered extreme
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fascist by today's right by today's standards and that's you know because people on the left
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they'll point to them and say well they fought fascism and they were the good guys you know
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they fought adolf hitler and did this kind of stuff but all the things that they believed from
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actual you know historically um recorded polls the things that they believed not just in tifa
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but your average liberal today in america would would label as fascism that's the irony so the
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guys who fought fascists, absolutely, in like 100% of cases, would be called fascist if they
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were alive today and publicly communicated even a tenth of their views. Absolutely. It's incredibly
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ironic. Let's go to our first commercial break and we'll talk about fascism historically.
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where the word actually comes from it has a very very ancient usage it goes all the way back to a
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what a fascist is so fascist comes from the singular latin term fascist a fascist is a bundle
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in a collection of fascists which is actually a group of sticks that are bundled around in axe
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sometimes axe has one head sometimes it has two hold up are you saying that fascists are a bundle
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of sticks. All right. It cannot be my ideology. On principle, if we're about to spend the rest
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of this episode trying to say that a bundle of sticks that starts with a word that starts with
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the letter F is somehow a good thing, I just... There's an ax in the middle. I can't get behind
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it. Does that help? I don't know. All right. How about this? Go ahead. This picture you'll see on
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screen. I'll describe it if you're listening. This is our house of representatives here in
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these United States in the year of our Lord 2025. What I just described, sticks bound together around
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an axe, is actually a symbol that stands right behind. So if the vice president is there, you
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saw this with Trump when he addressed the nation, certainly behind the Speaker of the House. This is
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a symbol that has been very common in our government from the beginning. It's the bundle of
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sticks, it's the axe within it, and what it actually symbolized in Rome, a magistrate would go out and
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he'd be surrounded by, it depended on his authority, it depended on how many provinces
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he was over, but he'd be surrounded by 12 men that were called lictors, and these lictors
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would carry with them these bundles, these fasces, and what it symbolized was the individual
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brought under and bound together in the collective.
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So, for example, if he was a magistrate over 12 provinces, he would have 12 lictors around
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him, and they would carry these 12 bundles, and some of them were often inscribed with
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the actual name of the provinces that he was over and what it symbolized and why he was carried. You
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can even see coins that you see, for example, a prince going around and he's surrounded by these
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men carrying these bundles. It symbolized the collective power of the state. Fascism is very
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pro-state. There's a quote from Mussolini, the Italian fascist. He said, everything the state,
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everything under the state, nothing against the state. That's essentially the version of the quote.
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And so in ancient Rome, what it symbolized was we have law and we have rule of order and these
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things matter. When I, the magistrate, go out and I visit and I come to the town or I walk through
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your streets, I'm surrounded by men and what they carry with them is authority. And what you are
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being communicated to, citizen of Rome, citizen of my province, is that you are not just an individual
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doing your own thing. But bound together, our provinces, we're strong. Bound together, we wield
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an axe. We have power. It's militaristic. So this symbol, all the way back going back to Rome,
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that's what it represented represented law represented hierarchy and a represented power
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and collectivism and collectivism and not just the atomistic individualism americans really
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really really like but has not always been really really good yep so ironically enough uh again for
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all the left bleeding about anti-fascism you'll see here uh so this is our house of representatives
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does have those which lincoln may actually have been i mean of all guys i think about it like i'm
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gonna pillage and burn half of this half of the country to keep them together with my military
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because you really love black people no i actually want to send them away and uh i use the n-word on
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regular occasion but uh lincoln lincoln was not our guy go ahead no and america saw that as a
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continuity with the rome of old remember that we have a republic so we're not this raw democracy
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we represent a republic and a republic has different representatives in it and it's a
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balance of an aristocracy, an executive branch, so your type of monarch, trying to bring all of
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those elements together. We saw ourselves very much so in continuity with Rome and what I want
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to get across in this segment before in the last segment, we get into the history, we get into the
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1900s movement specifically known as fascism, is that America very much so saw its continuity
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and saw itself as anti-liberal, anti-egalitarian.
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All of the representatives of all the states of America
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It stands over where the Speaker of the House resides.
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Well, he's just another representative. What makes him so special? Well, he's a part of the ruling party and he's a he's more mature. He's better at his job. He's more well networked. He's better than you. And nowhere in our history do we see these things as antithetical to the American spirit. Our emphasis on democracy, our emphasis on equality, our emphasis on occlusion. Those are much later additions that come post World War Two.
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but you have to understand for 200 years of american history we very much so i mean it would
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be in almost unrecognizable people that look back that they think america was this place that made
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this wonderful promise right we hold these truths to be self-evident that all men are created equal
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well that was america and she just wanted to expand more rights to more people expand them
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to african americans and expand them to women and now we're here and we're expanding them to gays
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that was not america and we see that because we see what was written we see how our buildings
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are adorned we understood once upon a time but not anymore we understood hierarchy we understood
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authority we understood rule of law and in a broad sense uh we'll get into the narrow expression of
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it in a little bit fascism is trying to capture a little bit of that a little bit of a time where
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no we actually recognize that uh egalitarian principles well everyone's equal in all facets
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where we recognized beauty and architecture and rule?
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let's go to our second commercial break and we come back we'll land the segment by talking
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about what fashion is fascism is narrowly and historically speaking all right when it comes
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legacy with God's timeless treasure. Well, we've talked about how the term is used today,
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and we've talked about some of the historical backing, but I think everyone listening is kind
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of like okay you've got to get to the meat of it there was a movement a series of movements in the
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1900s that explicitly turned themselves fascist and that's what really everyone kind of gets at
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so if it's whether today well you're acting like a fascist like this movement that happened in the
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1920s and the 1930s you're acting like a fascist you're acting acting like the nazis and so Karl
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Marx writes the communist manifesto in 1849 so a good bit before the 1900s 50 some years he of
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course, dies before he ever lives to see it. But in October of 1917, Lenin and the Bolsheviks
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actually complete the first successful communist revolution on a major scale. And you have then,
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Lenin obviously passes away relatively quickly, and you have Stalin that gets into power in
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the 1920s. In combination with that, Germany at the Treaty of Versailles is sacked with
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a number of sanctions that absolutely devastate their economy, and you have the rest of Europe
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recovering from World War I. And so in that time, the 1920s leading into the 30s,
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you have basically left-wing Bolshevism, left-wing communism, and it's absolutely doing numbers on
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Western Europe. So this would be Italy, this would be Germany, this would be Spain, and to a lesser
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degree, Britain to the north. And communism, we're talking about communists that are violent. We're
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talking about, in many ways, their Antifa is very much so right in line with them. They're spiritual
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children. They're violent. They're disruptive. They're revolutionaries. So we're not talking like
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formal wars where actual armies can be observed. They march out to the battlefield. But assassinations,
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firebombing, destroying political parties, assassinations, all of that. That's what the
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left is doing. And so you had a series of counter right-wing movements to counter the left-wing
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infiltration that happened. Charles Haywood, he had a great review. This is Paul Gottfried's book,
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fascism, the career of a concept, really getting into historically narrowly what it was. And
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Charles Haywood, as a summary, he said this. He says that it does seem, however, that fascism only
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arises, at least historically, when the left has fully embarked on its ruination of a particular
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nation and existing right structures have shown themselves incapable of putting down the evil.
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And so you had, whether it was in Germany or whether it was in Spain with Franco, and I
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realized that Franco wasn't necessarily in the narrow sense of fascist but essentially different
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structures and different right-wing movements you can kind of imagine the neocons of today
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they'd failed to contain leftism they had no response Bukele he's called a fascist by a great
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example so the left is there in the case of El Salvador they're violent people are afraid to go
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outside of their homes it's not just uh safety either religion uh in Italy at the time uh communists
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were exhuming bodies of nuns and desecrate them, firebombing churches. There's a point in World War
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II where they were forcing priests to take communion with molten lead. So violent leftist
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revolutionaries inflicted on Western Europe in the wake of World War I led to about a series of
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four different counter right-wing movements that are generally broadly termed fascism. Again,
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Italy with Francisco Franco, that's not really kind of technically fascism in the sense because
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he was probably more a religious figure. But you had Italy, for better or for worse. You had Germany,
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which Germany, most scholars would agree, isn't really fascism. It was actually a distinction
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called national socialism, which was much more racially focused. So you had Italy, you had
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Germany. Italy is the most pure expression of fascism. And in that even too, it was kind of a
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post-hoc justification, an assemblage philosophically for Mussolini after he took power.
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This is one of the hallmarks of fascism is you have a populist charismatic leader and he comes
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to power and he kind of embodies that ethos of, again, power, rule of law, resistance to the left.
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But to Heiwood's point here in this quote, it's always arising in response to the left. And it's
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not just the left like, well, we're going to raise the minimum wage. We're talking when the left has
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finally kind of reached its culmination. Like in Germany, you have to understand in the early 1920s,
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Germany was destroyed they had no money because they were forced with all of this war debt
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and a number of different international individuals had come in and were all sorts of
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degeneracy and perversion especially in Berlin you have the first for example first transgender
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surgeries being done there in the 1920s so its nations pushed to their edge by leftism and then
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you have, what had happened in the 1900s, counter-right-wing movements that came back
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with force, the fascists, whether it be Franco. The other one that's not mentioned because he
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didn't succeed historically was Oswald Mosley. Mosley up in Britain, he advanced a form of
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fascism. And with all of these different movements, there's not one single characteristic
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that unifies them. That's why I best describe it as a right-wing movement that is a response to
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the left-wing. For example, this is kind of interesting. We always think of fascism as
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being anti-semitic. But if you read Mussolini, for instance, and he changed on this a little
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bit into the 30s, but listen to him writing in the 1920s. I mean, this is the archetypal
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Italian fascist. He says this, Italy knows no anti-semitism, and we believe that it will never
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know it. But it's hoped that Italian Jews will continue to be sensible enough so as to not give
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rise to anti-semitism in the only country where it has never existed. And so even within like right
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here is that can jews please avoid the leading cause of anti-semitism which is jewish behavior
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exactly and so there's no single unifying thing well this is anti-semitism and this is fascism
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or it's this or whatever in context it was and i think in the in the name of honesty we should
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just say yeah uh what what is that uh what what what kind of describes it well it was a series
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of 1920s pushback against the demon of communism and bolshevism which went on to do terrible things
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i mean to the ussr so the federation of soviet states that were melted under it you have to
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understand that like by like the 50s and 60s almost half the world was under communism like
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there was a reason we used to say better red or better dead than red in the united states we fought
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a cold war we had nuclear weapons there was points where it's like are we gonna all just
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obliterate ourselves with nuclear weapons and bring on the end times like that's what was
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happening and so narrowly speaking in this in the interest of honesty i think this is the best way
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to describe it define it and speak of it fascism what is it what is it uh what is it described as
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a series of early 1900s revolutionary reactionary right-wing movements against the rise of communism
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marked by a strong sense of nationalism one party control and populist leaders i think that's what
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it is yeah it can be done badly it can be done theoretically if it's a christian like especially
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in italy like franco was catholic and he was not a big fan of protestants but that's that's why
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tolkien uh c.s lewis and tolkien you know they had multiple conversations about this and they
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sharply disagreed with one another so lewis um who we like we appreciate cs lewis a lot but uh
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he did not like uh franco he thought that he was a fascist and that was very bad whereas tolkien
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was like uh you know i actually like him and appreciate him and the big difference was
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between them was likely a more personal bias more subjective than actually objective lewis
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being a protestant didn't really have any sympathy for all you know the things that
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franco was doing and the people that he was protecting whereas tolkien being catholic
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uh he was looking at italy and what was going on and saying they're raping nuns and so he was like
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and of course i support the one who like the napoleon quote you know the one who saves his
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country violates no law right so he looked at franco as a hero and lewis said it seems a bit
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extreme and even when it comes to franco like i mentioned he was catholic not a fan of protestants
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but i actually had the privileges probably about four months or so ago at this point i posted
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is something related to Franco. And someone reached out to me whose family had, they were
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actually Baptists in Italy during the time, I think it was through the 70s, that Franco was
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essentially the monarch of Italy. And they said it was tough. You had to apply for government
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exemptions. This was not like a rubber stamp on a piece of paper. But all of them agreed that even
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as Protestants, even being unfavored, so you did not get to have, you know, you did not get to have
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your prime spot in the town square. You did not get to probably even hold public office. They said
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still even then it was so much better than the communist violence that we were facing so to
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varying degrees there's numbers of different different instantiations of it but an example
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of italy like yeah uh a catholic christian prince came in and said the violence will cease now he
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himself violently suppressed communism but but we're talking communism you have to what do you
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have other recourse do you have there's a famous quote and i'm not saying that i like it so i'm
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not saying oh i love this and i want to do this and i'm prescribing this i'm just saying this is
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a famous quote and i'm not saying it as a prescription but i think that it is a fairly
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accurate description the quote is this you can vote your way into communism but you can only
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shoot your way out and i think there's truth there that like we have by by extending the vote to
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everyone universal suffrage so you're on welfare you don't produce anything you don't work you
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don't pay any taxes. You don't feed your own family. Everyone else is paying for you. And
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you're a liability and a weight on the tax system. You get to vote. You're a man. You get to vote.
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You're a woman. You get to vote. You are an immigrant who goes to a particular city who
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you're not even a citizen, but that city allows you get to vote through mail-in ballots and ballot
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harvesting oh a bunch of even illegals are are effectively voting in certain cities and this has
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been proven in certain cities in new york and these kinds of things so when you when you expand
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to where everyone gets to vote um then politicians quickly discover and this is why they open your
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borders and things like this that uh people will vote for stuff and so all they have to do is
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promise people but the politicians don't promise their stuff they promise your stuff so they
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promise your stuff uh in order to secure votes for themselves and so then what ultimately happens
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is you just keep it's it's just a race to the bottom and and it's just um it's it's appealing
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to uh the most base appetites of the lowest you know sector of the population and so you can vote
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your way into degeneracy you can vote your way into poverty you can vote your way into tyranny
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vote your way into all kinds of things uh but but then when the people finally wake up the core of
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a nation call them christians call them uh call them heritage americans whatever you you want to
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define that is but when the core of the nation who is producing everything and having their stuff
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taken and given to all the immigrants and all the poor and all the criminals and all these kinds of
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stuff when they wake up and realize oh i live in a communist nation and they want out uh they they
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can't vote their way out it's not a matter of like well let's just do you know more uh tours
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on college campuses and inform the youth you know the the youths they'll save us you know and if we
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know that you you can't they they are they're they're pouring in millions and millions a year
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of immigrants and there's not enough heritage americans that are even having children you can
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say well that's their own fault you know like uh well yeah in in some sense it's licentiousness
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and and a lot of bad ideology in another sense people are not having children because they they
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don't feel like they can afford to have children they don't feel like that they could provide
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for those children so there's a there's a certain tipping point and when a nation gets there
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where where the the the native core population the heritage portion of that population
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basically just becomes um a shriveled host and the parasite is now bigger than the host itself
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and it's and it's barely on life support the host barely still surviving at that point you literally
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don't have the numbers to vote your way out so then the only way to get out is force and you
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try to use as little force as possible right if you're trying to be ethical you try to do it as
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much as you can according to the law most importantly you try to do it according to the
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word of god you try to have fair trials you have to you know all these things but you're not going
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to simply be able to get out without uh through just simply voting you're going to have to fight
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you're going to have to fight your way out and anytime historically a nation has hit that point
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um that's if you're wondering what do we call fascism in a nutshell what we call fascism
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is anytime in history that the native working upstanding population of a nation gets uh beaten
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down robbed um and and loses the simple majority within the nation to where they can't vote their
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way out but they still decide gosh darn it we want to have a country that's fascism i like how
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daryl cooper he summarized it this way he said uh so i gave my narrow historical you know nerdy
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definition he said it this way fascism is just the word used by freaks and degenerates when normal
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people realize the left won't stop unless it's forced to that's it say it one more time
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fascism is just the word used by freaks and degenerates when normal people realize the left
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won't stop unless it's forced to that's it that's fascism yeah i would say too uh you're going to get
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called it you're a good christian man a good christian pastor you're in the public square
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you're advocating for your country you're advocating for a form of christian nationalism
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you will be called a fascist and there's a way of kind of doing this there's a
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well the actually the real fascists are kamala harris the democrats right the real racists right
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or i'm not that they're going to call it you it guys they're going to say it if we are going to
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defeat the left they are going to bleat this word all the way till the setting sun they're going to
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call you it you have to let it have no effect on you have your heart and your conscience clear
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before god and then say i will do what it takes lawfully and biblically to have my country and
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there is not a word under the sun that you can hurl at me and i can go well don't call me that
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I'm not that mean they're going to call you it let it be water off a duck's back it is what it is
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let me give a quick pastoral word here so you're absolutely right they're going to call you a
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fascist no matter what and you have to be resolved in your heart and before the Lord with a clear
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conscience by God we'll have our home again we're going to do it justly we're going to do it
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righteously but it is going to require strength we're not going to be able to just go and change
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hearts and minds and have civil discussions. That's what Charlie Kirk did, and they killed
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him. Charlie Kirk tried to have civil discussions. The left doesn't have arguments, so they don't
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have discussions. But what the left does have, instead of arguments, is bullets, and they will
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use them. And so when you're at that point in a nation, and sadly, I would say we're at that
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point. I don't think the right put us in this place, but the left did. They drove us to this
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point um and when you're at that point uh you're going to have to fight back and when you fight
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back you will be called a fascist and everything you said wesley is is so good you have to not let
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it affect you however i want to add this uh this i don't know ammunition um i i remember a couple
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years ago when christian nationalists was the term that everyone was throwing around and and
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we basically all you know guys on the right who were christian had um had a decision in that
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moment, right? To do the calculus and saying, okay, is this a term that I can own? Or is this
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a term that I would rather not pick up, right? They keep hurling it at me. Do I want to catch it
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and wear it? Or do I want to keep deflecting? And when it comes to the term fascist, what Wes is
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saying, and I completely agree, is what you can't do is allow the rhetoric of the left to stop you
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or inhibit you. So you must keep going. That doesn't mean you have to wear it. So Christian
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nationalists, I remember, you know, it was about three years ago. And when that started being
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thrown around, I was like, you know what? I can work with that term. That's not so bad. That's
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not so bad. And so I was like, yeah, sure. I'm a Christian nationalist. Fact. I kind of like it.
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Yeah, I absolutely. And then I ended up writing a whole statement with a group of guys on Christian
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nationalism and doing multiple broadcasts. And so Christian nationalism, I was like, I can work
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with that. Fascist, again, the technical definition of a fascist, I do not believe is inherently
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evil. When you look at, if you put side by side the technical definition of a communist and the
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technical definition of a fascist, it's not as though, hey, you could be a good communist or a
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bad one. No, baked into the definition itself, the technical definition of communism includes
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multiple tenets that directly contradict the law of God. So there's no such thing as a good
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communists fascism you could be a bad fascist um being ungodly unrighteous unbiblical fascist
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or you could with just looking at the technical definition you could do fascism well that said
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um i don't feel about the term fascism the way i did about christian nationalism christian
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nationalism i thought you know what uh that that one i'm not just going to wear the hat metaphorically
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that one i think we should literally make hats and physically literally wear i mean it's great
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christian nationalists sign me up um whereas fascists i think that um there's just there's so
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much um historical just historical garbage attached with it um whether whether and and so
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then you have to decide like like what you were saying you can't let the the rhetoric of the left
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stop you well one way to let them stop you is cowardice they called me a fascist oh and so i'm
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going to stop because i don't want to be called a bad name another way though to actually allow
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your enemies to inhibit you and slow you down maybe not stop you but slow you down is to wear
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a particular label that inherently may not be evil in and of itself but has so much baggage attached
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to it that you're now going to be spending 90 percent of your time saying well technically
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well technically well technically you know you know what i mean so like that's actually one way
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to be slowed down is i'm not going to be slowed down by cowardice in fact i'll wear the fascist
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label i am a christian fascist right um but now um on on twitter like 12 times a day uh you're
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being retweeted because you tweeted out i am a fascist and so now um you actually are ironically
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still being slowed down not not from apathy due to cowardice uh but but just um just the monotonous
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grind of constantly trying to have to uh uh to win the battle for the dictionary and be able to own
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the term and be able to win the battle for who gets to define the term and all the clarifications
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and all the disclaimers. So in that sense, I just don't think it's worth it. But I do want to go on
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record today saying, I do not believe that fascism in its root technical definition is inherently
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evil. I don't believe that. I think that there have historically been guys who were fascists
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that were good. There are guys who were bad. And with most people throughout history, it's usually
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some of both um so i i do think that you could hold to the tenets of fascism um but but through
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a christian view and doing things righteously as unto the lord um but i would not uh i would not
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print out that label and wear it on my shirt because i think it's just going to create more
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problems than solutions what's going to have to happen in america is something new too you can't
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LARP in the south for instance we need to go back to the south and we're going to flag the
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fly the confederate flag and I get it there's a love for the south there but your your Dixieland
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movement is not going to grow and swell like what's going to have to happen in America it's
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going to be historically novel and we're not going to be able to take the symbols and the ideas
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and just take them and just park them onto America for one we're huge like we're just we're not the
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same as different movements we're not the size of Italy we're not the size of Germany so those
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solutions are not going to work here it's going to be something new it's going to have a new vision
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it's going to have a new look and and it can be kind of larpy to be like well we we take out our
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confederate flag and do our reenactments or we we're we're christian fascists and we're going
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to save this label it's going to be really tough to do what i would prefer to put my energy and
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time into is not trying to grab something from the past good bad or indifferent and haul it into the
00:47:24.280
future and do all this work of no guys you have to understand this is what it really is we're
00:47:28.980
going to have a new movement uh it's going to look different christian nationalism is a great
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example that's why i like christian nationalism it doesn't have it's um that's that's well said
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because in in the um in the true sense there's you know the book of ecclesiastes there's nothing
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new under the sun like in the true sense um there's not one tenant of christian nationalism
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that wasn't already modeled by king david josiah um the founders of america king alfred you know
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multiple like so there's really nothing novel there but uh but words matter and and names and
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labels matter all the more uh what you know what's going to be the placeholder that uh that that names
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and describes your movement your ideology um and so having something that that's not old and has
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baggage attached to it is incredibly advantageous and so christian nationalism as a concept is not
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novel as a label is somewhat novel and that is i think an advantage yep and i get guys i understand
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they're saying like hey we fought we understand how the left gets violent and what the left does
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like we're literally seeing it like wow a political assassination this was one of the things that
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precipitated the spanish civil war leading up to franco's rise to power political assassinations
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by the left shocker i haven't seen this one before so i understand when people say we have the
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playbook totally okay do those things but do them under the new name use the playbook be shrewd but
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rename the place exactly yeah and and here's the deal because if you try to run the same way when
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you're dead and buried and six feet under dirt um you know a hundred years from now historians will
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look back and say oh uh that was a fascist movement and they can call you that but let them call you
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that after you run the plays and win after you win that's right after you win okay uh that was
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a great episode super helpful for me i uh what i love about our podcast is uh i'll sit down next
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to west i'll be like uh so what am i going to be learning about today and he's like joel you're not
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supposed to be learning the audience is supposed to be learning uh but no that was really helpful
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just to understand some of the history of fascism uh some uh a technical definition of the term and
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then the way that it's you know wielded as a bludgeon today um and and then just at the end
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i think some practical advice i think will really help a lot of our young male listeners to not uh
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to not just you know be stupid and ruin their life so anything else you want to share i think
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that's it all right well thanks for tuning in
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