The NXR Podcast - THE LIVESTREAM - What Valentines Day And HeGetsUs Don’t Get About Love

00:00:00.000 Today is Valentine's Day, so we're talking about love. In particular, we are talking about two

00:00:05.800 distortions of love. The first is the way that modern Valentine's Day pushes an effeminate and

00:00:12.140 perverse view of romance. The second is a sacrilegious depiction of Jesus' love that we saw during the

00:00:20.080 Super Bowl. False views of love are connected because they ultimately come from a false view

00:00:26.280 of God, who is love. Both of these distortions require the same response. Strong men must

00:00:33.620 exercise godly, patriarchal love and put to death the effeminate, perverse, and idolatrous 1.00

00:00:41.000 imposters. 0.98

00:00:51.680 All right, I've got a couple of announcements real quick before we get started, but welcome 0.77

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00:07:14.960 Michael, thanks for waiting. Go ahead and kick us off.

00:07:17.880 Great. As Joel said, we're talking about love today and not necessarily romantic love,

00:07:24.020 but maybe touching on that a little bit. And as I was thinking through the article,

00:07:30.080 Valentine's Day, and then the Super Bowl, he gets us ad came up. And a lot of what we're

00:07:35.500 going to say today is going to be objecting to the way that romance and love are currently

00:07:42.000 depicted in our society, right? Very troubling, very unbiblical, very damaging and harmful even

00:07:48.460 for people, any people, but Christians especially, to buy into these false ideas of love and romance. 0.99

00:07:54.720 I mean, you look at—I was shocked. NPR—I shouldn't be shocked. I don't know why,

00:08:00.340 but I guess I'm glad I can still be shocked, right? I guess that's good. NPR had a promoted

00:08:05.140 list of alternative love songs for those who are into the alternative love romance songs. So this

00:08:16.040 is anything from self-love, and there are now people who marry themselves. Did you know that?

00:08:20.320 No.

00:08:20.620 They have official ceremonies. So there's self-romance, and then there's all the LGBTQ 1.00

00:08:25.700 romance. And so they had a whole playlist that people could go on for this Valentine's Day

00:08:30.340 to hear songs that would affirm and catchy tunes and emotional music.

00:08:37.400 So we have all those lies about romance,

00:08:40.000 and then we have the lies about love that we see in the He Gets Us ads.

00:08:45.500 And we're going to get into that a little bit later.

00:08:47.460 But at the core, especially of the He Gets Us ad,

00:08:50.660 is this idea that Christians, a lot of us,

00:08:54.240 have come to believe that what we need to do is just be nicer.

00:08:59.440 We need to affirm more where people are at and what they're doing.

00:09:03.860 And if we can out-nice them and out-affirm them, they are finally going to be so compelled

00:09:09.900 by that, that will be the message of Jesus to them.

00:09:13.080 And what, I don't even know, that he gets us at is not calling for repentance.

00:09:16.760 They're on record from last year's Super Bowl saying, this is not about repentance.

00:09:21.920 This is just about connecting with people.

00:09:24.040 Right.

00:09:24.280 Right?

00:09:24.880 But as I was thinking about that, I thought, okay, is this effective?

00:09:27.700 is this an effective strategy all right and credit where credit's due i heard a blurb about

00:09:34.140 this on steve days's show but then i went and did some research and it just i want to say here at

00:09:39.780 the beginning that even if we bend over backwards to accommodate and quote-unquote love this sort

00:09:48.660 of perverse behavior it doesn't get us anywhere right um i was thinking a lot of you heard

00:09:54.880 probably about the shooting that happened at Joel Osteen's church just this last Sunday,

00:09:59.780 and it was a transgender woman, a woman who thinks she's a man, who went in and she had

00:10:06.860 several rifles and went in and shot several people in this church. And why is that significant?

00:10:14.600 Well, the reason this is significant is in 2010, Houston elected the first openly gay mayor of a

00:10:23.520 major city in America. First time ever in American history that a very out and proud mayor was

00:10:30.760 elected. She's a lesbian and she immediately went on to try and push for access to restrooms and 1.00

00:10:38.760 bathrooms for anyone. You know, if a man thinks he's a woman, he can go in and businesses can't 1.00

00:10:44.360 say no because it's public accommodations. Now, the way that this all connects is the pastor who

00:10:51.180 showed up to do her prayer of blessing and invocation at her mayoral inauguration was

00:10:56.940 Joel Osteen. Joel Osteen. And when this mayor started pushing in Houston for this policy change

00:11:04.400 that businesses would have to allow men to go in women's bathrooms and women to go into men's

00:11:09.360 bathrooms, there was a movement by pastors, praise the Lord, pastors mobilized, and they defeated the

00:11:15.240 measure pretty soundly, to be honest. Like, it wasn't close. They did defeat the measure. But

00:11:19.560 Joel Osteen was not one of those pastors.

00:11:21.740 He was nowhere to be found.

00:11:22.160 He was nowhere to be found.

00:11:24.320 So he's there to be found in her invocation, in the affirmation of this.

00:11:29.160 Yes.

00:11:29.260 It was a woman?

00:11:30.000 Yep. 0.52

00:11:30.520 So publicly...

00:11:32.420 Anise Parker.

00:11:33.400 Okay. 1.00

00:11:33.740 So publicly outspoken, openly gay female mayor. 1.00

00:11:37.940 Yes. 0.99

00:11:38.360 First one of a major city in America.

00:11:40.320 In America.

00:11:40.980 Yep.

00:11:41.640 So Texas beat California?

00:11:43.680 We did. 0.98

00:11:44.180 In gayness? 0.99

00:11:44.900 Wow. 1.00

00:11:45.260 That's embarrassing.

00:11:46.620 So anyways, so not our brightest moment.

00:11:48.400 so 2010 this is you know almost 15 years ago at this point and and the person who's doing the

00:11:53.760 invocation the prayer and and affirmation and yay she's our champion is joel osteon and then what

00:12:00.340 we're saying is that 14 years later his affirmation of sodomy homosexuality transgenderism a man being 0.75

00:12:08.560 able to use because that was one of her big policies that she pushed for a man being able 0.50

00:12:12.500 to use a female you know restroom and vice versa uh his his presence there at her inauguration 0.95

00:12:18.920 um did not save him from a transgender shooting up his church i'm shocked do you feel shocked 0.94

00:12:25.740 i thought for sure that that would you know that would be the blood of the lamb on the you know on 0.95

00:12:31.100 the mantle on the doorpost that the angel of transgenderism you know would pass over deadliness 0.75

00:12:36.720 no she drove 50 miles wow from her home to lakewood church think about how many churches

00:12:45.040 she passed along the way with less security too yeah with much less security is a well-secured

00:12:49.960 they do huge yep so this idea that if we just placate if we affirm if we out you be you you do

00:12:59.180 you we love you where you're at the way you are if we outdo the world in that behavior that is

00:13:05.220 going to get their attention that's going to make them want to i guess join our side that is a bunch 0.99

00:13:10.120 of garbage that is a bunch of garbage in fact all that does all that does is it lets our enemy know 0.99

00:13:16.540 when he really gets serious who the weak ones are and who to come for first yeah so i hear you but 1.00

00:13:22.340 what if we change the example from sexuality the sexual revolution transgenderism and we made it

00:13:29.680 about immigration surely if we were kind with that and we got rid of the razor wire well stop 0.98

00:13:36.480 building the wall welcome them in then you know military-aged fighting illegal immigrants they 1.00

00:13:43.560 would be kind to us though right it is once you get enough once you get enough of them 1.00

00:13:47.320 at a certain number of millions yeah we only have 10 million over the last three years and if we

00:13:52.980 could just get i don't know 50 million 150 million even and out it's half and half they'd really feel

00:13:58.060 welcome they'd really feel welcome it is only a matter of time before the headline is family who

00:14:03.180 took in a military-aged man as an illegal immigrant right yep yep sin i think one of the best ways to

00:14:10.080 think of it is like a cancer there's no cancer that once it takes over half of your lung okay 0.81

00:14:14.860 i'm good enough i won't progress i won't take more healthy tissue it will consume everything

00:14:19.860 first corinthians 15 says the sting of sin is death sin will always as it keeps finding access

00:14:25.360 an opportunity to person, it'll result either in death or repentance will be the balm that stops

00:14:30.940 it. So when it comes to giving in to sexuality, to immigration, that's unchecked and destroying 0.66

00:14:35.300 your own people, those don't end at a certain point. Oh, well, we've had up to here and it'll 0.91

00:14:39.460 say no more. Just indulge this much. When has lust ever been, oh, this is enough. It's very

00:14:45.240 characters that it will consume as much as you give it until spiritual, ultimate, physical death

00:14:50.380 or repentance.

00:14:52.380 That's one of the two options.

00:14:53.960 And so giving in a little bit here

00:14:55.400 or a little bit there,

00:14:56.340 that will never get you any progress.

00:14:58.360 Right, and we see that in scripture so plainly.

00:15:00.000 Like Jesus says,

00:15:02.100 fresh water doesn't come from a saltwater spring

00:15:04.840 or a saltwater from a freshwater spring

00:15:06.840 or a tree with bad roots doesn't produce good fruit

00:15:11.220 or a tree with good roots doesn't produce bad fruit.

00:15:13.900 But we think, and this applies to all of us,

00:15:16.200 even for us who are Christians,

00:15:17.680 born again and saved by grace,

00:15:19.340 as we seek. So this applies nationally, you know, socially, culturally, but it also applies

00:15:24.460 individually to our sanctification, to our own, you know, desire to mortify, you know, sin,

00:15:30.760 like John Owen, you know, the mortification of sin and those, you know, like do not deal with

00:15:35.320 sin with light, you know, and few blows, you know, like, but we're not trying to sequester sin.

00:15:40.420 We're not trying to quarantine sin or subdue sin, but ultimately we want to mortify. We need to kill 0.98

00:15:46.380 it we need to kill sin because if you don't render to sin the death blow then it will come back and 1.00

00:15:52.380 it'll come back with a with a vengeance it'll come back if anything it's like fighting against 0.75

00:15:57.500 our sin and sanctification is like uh trying to destroy a hornet's nest like you you better get

00:16:03.800 it because if you don't you know then you just ticked off the hornets and and they're gonna get

00:16:09.140 you and so um but same kind of thing you know it's it's funny that we would think that our our lives

00:16:14.500 like using jesus illustration of a tree that we could somehow you know that we'd be so arrogant

00:16:19.680 to think that we could somehow designate one particular limb of the tree for bearing bad

00:16:24.220 fruit but that the rest is going to bear good fruit you know it's just one limb and we and

00:16:28.780 this is the designated limb and this limb it's entirely acceptable right now for this one it's

00:16:33.100 very cool on the north to have rotten apples you got to understand exactly and and it's and it's

00:16:37.880 entirely you know separate from the rest of the it doesn't affect the rest of the tree like but

00:16:42.480 that would be you know we're being facetious but that would be preposterous to think that um like

00:16:47.240 if we were actually if i if i was you know um if if i had an orchard you know and that's what i did

00:16:53.200 you know like i i had fruit trees and i was feeding my own children my own family with those

00:16:58.360 trees if there was a tree that had you know a limb of just poisonous fruit absolutely poisonous

00:17:03.500 um i i wouldn't i wouldn't still you know um you know pluck fruit from the other limbs and give it

00:17:09.780 to my kids i would just say this is a bad tree i'd take down the whole i might even you know

00:17:14.300 investigate that whole portion of the orchard you know it might be not just that whole tree but it

00:17:19.260 may be you know dozens of trees within its vicinity you know like we would we would take

00:17:23.860 it seriously because we're not talking about just the lack of fruit right so the example it's not

00:17:27.660 just one limb that doesn't bear fruit it's it's not um it's not no fruit it's bad fruit and when

00:17:33.060 we say bad fruit we mean uh lethal fruit poisonous fruit the fruit that will kill you so we're not

00:17:38.060 just talking about this tree has good fruit and then a certain portion of the tree a certain limb

00:17:42.680 has no fruit no it there's poisonous fruit here and if there's poison here it comes from the root

00:17:48.280 and the root will never affect a single branch it'll affect the whole thing that's right so all

00:17:53.220 right well let's go ahead and cut to our first commercial when we come back though we want to

00:17:56.500 talk about he gets us the super bowl ad heard around the world and uh and then we also want

00:18:01.080 to tie that into valentine's day today's valentine's day and talk about how both uh there are some

00:18:06.720 massive problems and not even so much with valentine's day in its origin but what it's

00:18:11.040 become in the west with this eros you know effeminate you know just i don't know trite love

00:18:18.220 this trite uh very very sensual sexual erotic love um and so we'll talk about valentine's day 0.96

00:18:25.380 we'll talk about the he gets us ad i think it should have been called he hates us you know like 0.95

00:18:29.840 and in the sense it's like it's really like two parts it's he gets them but he hates you yeah

00:18:36.660 right like the the one scene um it was a picture of uh some a woman was washing another woman's

00:18:43.260 feet outside of an abortion clinic right an abortion murder mill um and then over on the

00:18:48.460 side you know there's actually you know people who are protesting and the assumption is these are 0.75

00:18:53.340 you know white christian evangelicals who you know god forbid are protesting against murdering babies

00:18:58.920 um and and but it's not just he gets us it's no it's he gets her namely the woman who's about to 0.83

00:19:05.300 murder her her child uh but he hates them you know and wasn't there a story correct me if i'm wrong

00:19:10.540 but recently weren't there like two elderly women who were outside of the abortion clinic protesting

00:19:15.200 they were praying they were just quietly praying not even out loud or at least not very loud they

00:19:19.640 were blocking an interior corridor which back in bill clinton's administration there were christians

00:19:24.780 doing that like saying you can't go murder your child so they put this really heavy duty act

00:19:28.760 that allowed a high penalty they were kind of blocking interior corridor and under that act

00:19:33.540 they could be charged with up to 11 years and they got it i think it's still up to sentencing

00:19:38.320 but it might be but they but they're going to trial and they could get yes up to 11 so elderly

00:19:43.820 women in their 60s or 70s yeah may go to jail for a decade yes but uh but but he gets the woman

00:19:51.940 who's going to murder her child he gets he gets her he hates grandma right he's like that that he

00:19:58.640 gets us at is literally like it makes reminds me of you know throwback all the way to andrew cuomo 0.70

00:20:03.220 right the the number one uh grandma killer the true grandma killer in the united states yes right

00:20:08.420 like uh you know the god that they portrayed in that ad is a god who who hates um the loving

00:20:13.900 grandmother who cares for babies but loves uh the woman who is on her fourth abortion so all right

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00:21:24.620 into the He Gets Us ad a little bit here. And as I was thinking about this, a lot has been said

00:21:30.260 over the last couple of days. I mean, if you're on social media or YouTube following Christian

00:21:34.980 channels at all, a lot has been said. But the thing that kind of clicked...

00:21:40.080 But not as good as we're going to say it.

00:21:41.140 Not as good as what we're going to say, no.

00:21:43.280 Not first, but we might be the best.

00:21:44.640 But the thing that I wanted to say was the problem with the He Gets Us ad,

00:21:48.760 a lot of people are saying it's a bad definition of love, right? Jesus is loving sin,

00:21:54.400 really, he's affirming sin. He's not calling that abortion-seeking woman to repent and abandon her 0.60

00:22:01.980 sin. He's there with her, you know, even maybe comforting her as she goes through this process.

00:22:07.760 And so a lot of people have said the problem with it is that it's portraying love for the wrong

00:22:13.180 things or a weak and effeminate love, which is just happy to sit in the mud and be muddy with

00:22:18.420 them. But what clicked for me is that because we know in 1 John that God is love, any false view

00:22:28.080 of love that we have is because we have a false view of God. You cannot have an accurate view of

00:22:35.580 God, or let me say it differently, if you have a false view of what love is, if you have a weak

00:22:41.080 view of what love is, love is just allowing people to feel affirmed in their identity, it's because

00:22:46.920 you have a false view of God. And when we make God in our image, and this ad, make no mistake,

00:22:53.680 this was a making of Jesus in our own image, right? When we make God in our image, the kind of love

00:23:00.360 that is produced out of that false God is going to be weak, effeminate, dangerous, sinful, 0.65

00:23:09.380 damaging, wicked. It's going to produce all sorts of compromise with sin, because that's what we do.

00:23:14.140 we want to be affirmed right the problem with the ads is that you know so many people mentioned

00:23:21.340 the story of the woman at the the adulterous woman the woman caught in adultery and jesus

00:23:26.500 yeah john eight yeah jesus arrives and he says you know uh he was without sin cast the first stone

00:23:33.840 and then he says woman do none of them accuse you she says none lord and he's down on the dirt with

00:23:41.120 her, and then he says, neither do I condemn you. Sorry, it's condemned, not accused. That's an

00:23:45.800 important word. None of them condemn you. I don't condemn you either. The problem that we miss with

00:23:51.080 that is that she lived in a society where the law of God was clearly in play. Everyone in that

00:24:00.300 society knew that they were justly condemned. She was condemned, and she knew it, and the religious 0.95

00:24:08.400 leaders knew it and jesus knew it jesus cannot set aside his own law in order to have this squishy

00:24:15.200 kind of kind nice guy act right when we live in a society where people know they're condemned

00:24:21.620 then the loving thing is to bring the gospel to bring the hope that comes from repentance but

00:24:27.700 that is not the society that we live in no not anymore the loving thing to do now is people need

00:24:33.460 to know they're condemned people must know that god that they are we need more jonathan edwards

00:24:38.600 that they are sinners in the hand of an angry god the stooping to their level makes no sense

00:24:44.740 when i'm the most important person in the world of course you'd come hang out with me

00:24:48.820 right it only matters when i'm convinced that i'm a wretch and someone says actually jesus

00:24:55.560 zekias will come and dine with you right with me that's when that's powerful right people yeah in

00:25:02.720 our culture people aren't shocked by grace because they don't even view it as grace grace means

00:25:06.640 unmerited favor undeserved love it's something that that you haven't you haven't earned um it's

00:25:12.380 it's uh it's someone loving you when you've been un unlovable on you know you're you're you're not

00:25:19.580 a lovable person um and so that's you know the the scandal of grace you know like we've heard

00:25:24.300 lots of sermons you know gospel centered centered gospel gospel sermons about the scandal of grace

00:25:28.520 but the scandal of grace grace is only a scandal on the backdrop of a society that understands the

00:25:35.840 holiness and love of god well you know if you skip over god's holiness and his law then you're

00:25:41.760 you know then you you ultimately lose the depth and the weight of grace grace is only weighty

00:25:47.860 when the problem of sin is weighty it creates an opposite side of the coin so we've all

00:25:54.980 encounter this action when we go to pride parades to street preach to evangelize about 50 50 some of

00:26:00.980 the resistance some of those antagonizing they'll be pagans they'll be like i hate christ i hate god

00:26:05.420 we actually encounter oftentimes the resistance is coming from other professing christians so i

00:26:11.060 remember last year we went to an event to preach and to share the gospel the mayor opened with a

00:26:16.120 prayer blessing the parade right quoting the psalm that says i am fearfully and wonderfully made

00:26:21.380 So when we say Jesus is about non-judgment, Jesus is about love, Jesus is about inclusion,

00:26:26.060 Jesus is about acceptance, non-Christians and even supposed Christians, they think that's

00:26:30.840 Christianity.

00:26:31.800 So then you come up to them and say, you have to repent of your sin. 1.00

00:26:34.080 You can't live in this lifestyle.

00:26:35.660 It's a rejection and rebellion against your creator.

00:26:38.620 They'll say, no, no, no, no, Jesus was this. 0.63

00:26:40.980 I remember talking to a woman and she's like, oh, are y'all just Old Testament or do you

00:26:44.880 have the New Testament too?

00:26:46.260 As if like, I didn't know there was like a sequel to it.

00:26:48.140 Oh, I was all Old Testament, the wrath, the judgment of God, all these laws.

00:26:52.220 But the New Testament, well, Jesus is loving.

00:26:54.540 Jesus is affirming.

00:26:55.640 Jesus would do all this. 0.91

00:26:56.960 You almost have to convert them out of the Christianity that they think Christianity is. 0.89

00:27:01.200 They know this is actually Christianity. 0.61

00:27:03.300 Now lay down your arms to the king who's coming to conquer, to rule. 0.92

00:27:07.580 Every knee will bow and every tongue confess.

00:27:09.780 But that's really powerful if you can get the majority of the populace, 200 million people

00:27:13.860 that watch the Super Bowl to think, oh, that's Christianity. 0.65

00:27:16.840 I don't agree with it.

00:27:17.960 i'm not a christian but if someone's claiming to be a christian i guess it looks like that

00:27:21.320 kind of limp-wristed effeminate look like that yeah you're not even a real christian anybody

00:27:25.500 who claims to be a christian and doesn't look like that i'm going to correct them right yeah

00:27:29.120 because i know what a real christian should be right yeah you're right it's a huge problem yeah

00:27:33.660 yeah and it's you know i don't know we've talked about this before but i i think this is going to

00:27:39.540 be the theme for the next decade uh probably longer uh but you know it makes me think of just

00:27:45.640 um there's just such a um a disdain towards nature um you know so like whether it's whether

00:27:52.340 it's uh nations and borders you know or whether it's um you know um natural um marriages of you

00:27:59.980 know one man and one woman or you know natural you know children and you know you know your

00:28:05.580 posterity and these kinds of things there's just such a war on that and all all the things that

00:28:10.200 you ultimately that you see is uh they're they're unnatural so it's like he gets us aka you know

00:28:17.220 what they mean like it's he understands us he sympathizes he affirms um he loves and what what

00:28:24.680 is it that god gets who is it that god um that god loves and affirms and you know sympathizes with

00:28:31.800 everything outside of the natural order yep um it's you know it's the immigrant um who um you

00:28:39.480 know, I mean, a picture says a thousand words. So, you know, it's, it's, it's not explicitly

00:28:43.900 saying this, um, in verbal form, but the assumption with everything going on in our nation right now,

00:28:49.700 and all the illegal immigrants, you know, 2 million illegal immigrants in a year, 3 million

00:28:53.640 total, um, you know, immigrants, but 2 million being, um, illegal. Uh, that's, that's the

00:28:58.720 assumption is, so you see, you know, the immigrant being welcomed, he gets them. It's, uh, you know,

00:29:03.940 what the message there is he affirms, uh, the illegal immigrant. He affirms the transgender 0.98

00:29:08.560 person. He affirms the woman who's getting an abortion. He affirms the criminal next to the 0.98

00:29:15.100 police officer. It's not that he affirms or gets, he doesn't get the police officer. Screw the

00:29:19.500 police officer. He gets the criminal, right? And so, but in that, there's no, the problem is

00:29:26.420 that there's no communication whatsoever of that this is a, because God does love those people,

00:29:33.560 but there's no but there's no communication of how radical that is of the holiness of god that

00:29:39.460 this person um is in sin and that yes god does love them by an act of his grace this is the grace

00:29:46.220 of god and it's exactly what you said michael i think that's so helpful that um in at the time

00:29:51.220 of christ in this you know with the pharisees and the sadducees and the religious you know lawyers

00:29:57.420 and all these rulers, what was going on at that time, everybody understood, if anything,

00:30:05.960 that the reigning mantra of the day was that none of us are good enough for God. That is not the

00:30:13.800 culture that we live in today. To think that is just to so miss the times, to just be so clueless

00:30:20.560 of where we are and when we are. The culture that we live in today, you tell someone that God loves

00:30:26.680 and you know they may not verbally say this you know but but their thought is of course he does

00:30:32.040 why wouldn't he i'm awesome in fact god would be wrong god would be uh cruel god would be this or

00:30:38.920 that to not love me to do anything but love me i'm i'm amazing and so in in jesus day again in

00:30:44.960 that context in that culture at that time um john chapter 8 the woman caught in adultery um she is

00:30:52.340 is painfully aware painfully aware that she's and i could just i i would not be surprised if

00:30:57.840 somebody's listening to this right now and say well the woman at the abortion clinic joel like

00:31:01.140 you think that she's not aware that she's a sinner uh no no i'm not saying that no one is

00:31:06.220 i'm not saying that no i'm not saying that there's not uh that there's never a woman who goes uh

00:31:11.880 guilt-ridden to planned parenthood and kills her child and and knows the whole time that she's

00:31:18.060 doing something that's heinous and wicked um so i'm not saying that there's no one like that

00:31:22.220 uh but i think here's part of the problem the reason why christians will will will agree with

00:31:27.860 like that he gets us ad is because they're not actually doing real evangelism because all it

00:31:33.400 takes like like wesley said all it takes um part of what's changed our opinion is actually doing

00:31:40.000 evangelism so like when we go to the taylor pride you know festival and preach the gospel

00:31:45.580 um and and receive vitriol and and absolute hatred you know people you know saying things

00:31:55.420 that i can't say publicly on air you know i mean people who who want you dead and will say that

00:32:00.640 punched last year yeah one of the men in our church was trying to protect me from speaking

00:32:05.000 exactly yeah so one of the men in our church just to you know put a point on it was punched

00:32:09.200 in the face repeatedly repeatedly yeah um and so so all that being said and then he got charged

00:32:16.360 and then he got charged um legally and had to go to multiple court appearances and all this kind

00:32:22.080 of stuff and put his whole you know life and career in jeopardy for a while and this is a

00:32:26.980 member in good standing in our local church we were there we were eyewitnesses he did nothing

00:32:31.060 he did nothing he was using words preaching the gospel and this you know person punches him in

00:32:37.360 the face and so anyway jeff durbin talks about this you know like when people say you know the

00:32:41.000 second victim narrative when it comes to abortion you know well like there's two victims you know

00:32:44.820 the baby yeah sure that's a real shame you know a baby being you know chopped up into parts and

00:32:48.960 sucked out with a vacuum cleaner you know cry me a river but the real victim right the second victim

00:32:53.520 is the mother right she's a victim too in fact she's really more of a victim you know that's

00:32:58.340 you know that's that's what you get from bart barber that's you know like with the sbc the

00:33:02.460 erlc that's what you get with uh leatherwood that's what you get with russell moore that's

00:33:06.320 what you get with beth more or anymore you know they'll all do um in terms of being you know 0.97

00:33:11.260 libtards but that's that's the reigning mantra is you know she's really the victim the murderer is 0.99

00:33:16.600 the victim the baby um is you know an additional victim you know but but and so but jeff durbin 0.97

00:33:23.640 when he talks about that you know and talking about you know equal protection right there needs

00:33:27.420 to be laws for equal protection meaning equal protection just to break that down because people

00:33:31.700 hear that from the abolitionist you know position all the time but maybe a lot of people are new to

00:33:36.160 this and don't know what it means equal protection means uh equal penalties uh and equal penalties

00:33:41.760 ultimately means uh equal dignity um and so to draw that line uh what it means is if you're

00:33:49.260 fighting for legislation when it comes to abortion that is going to uh that's going to um to hold um

00:33:55.500 and uh equal protection what it's saying is that um if there are lesser penalties for a woman who

00:34:01.680 who has an abortion than a homicide in any other context then ultimately what you're saying is if

00:34:08.960 the penalties aren't equal right you can have an abortion with impunity right maybe the abortion

00:34:13.300 doctor he can get a fine or maybe he can get thrown in jail but the woman is not a criminal

00:34:18.300 she's done no wrong there is no legal sanction against her none whatsoever then what you're

00:34:23.060 doing is you're declaring open season right on one particular class of people namely the unborn

00:34:27.740 Could you imagine if we did that in any other context, if we said, you know, it is perfectly legal to murder black people or white people or anyone under the age of 18 or anyone over the age of 60 or what, like, if there's no, you know, or if you said, well, it's frowned upon and it's not even legal, but there's a lesser penalty, right?

00:34:48.460 If you murder someone who's 35 years old, you're going to spend the rest of your life in jail.

00:34:53.020 But if you murder someone over the age of 70, then it's a $5,000 fine.

00:34:56.820 right well what are you going to get you're going to get a lot more murders of people over the age

00:35:00.600 of 70 so equal penalties it's we're not it's not trying to be mean spirited it's trying to be kind

00:35:06.120 to babies not trying to be mean to women trying to be kind to babies well to actually but we're

00:35:11.600 being loving babies it is loving to the women because it will prevent them yeah from killing 0.89

00:35:15.840 their baby which destroys her soul and wreaks all kinds of havoc the rest of her life with guilt and

00:35:20.940 all this so you're right it's loving to both but but the point is equal penalties if you if you say

00:35:25.560 no abortion is going to be treated the same way as homicide that's an equal penalty and what that

00:35:30.500 does is it creates an equal protection that now babies in the womb are protected just as much as

00:35:36.260 someone's a life outside of the womb and by giving equal penalties you create an equal protection

00:35:40.800 and then equal protection what it conveys is equal dignity so anybody who doesn't hold to equal

00:35:46.300 penalties that believes that the woman is a second victim cannot say that the child in the womb has

00:35:51.220 equal dignity to the unborn. They have to say that this life is of a lesser value. It may have

00:35:56.800 some value, but it is of a lesser value because the only way that you can make the argument

00:36:01.120 biblically and logically to say that the unborn child has equal dignity, that they may not be

00:36:07.180 fully developed in a physical sense, but they are an equal image bearer of the living God from

00:36:12.000 conception in the womb. They don't have to be born and breathe their first breath before they

00:36:16.280 gain dignity they gain dignity the moment of their um their conception the only way to to

00:36:22.100 ultimately um stand behind that argument of equal dignity is to say and therefore equal protection

00:36:27.980 and the only way to have equal protection is to say um to do harm is going to to derive equal

00:36:35.040 penalties and so all that being said that's a freebie but all that being said jeff durbin has

00:36:38.660 held that position faithfully for a very long time and he's done uh ministry public preaching

00:36:43.800 street preaching at abortion clinics with that kind of rhetoric and preaching a full-throated

00:36:49.820 gospel that Jesus saves sinners. You are a sinner, but also there is grace in Jesus Christ to save

00:36:55.800 sinners. And Jeff Durbin will be the first to tell you and many others who have done faithful

00:36:59.880 abortion ministry, you find out real quick, real quick that these people, they're not, again,

00:37:07.940 there may be some, there's anecdotal evidence, but by and large, these are not people who are

00:37:14.120 weighing underneath guilt. They will sneer, they will laugh, they will mock, they will scream.

00:37:20.000 The women, they won't say, oh, I had no idea that I was doing something wrong. 0.96

00:37:24.220 What they'll say instead is they'll say, I love murdering my child. I'm excited. 0.98

00:37:31.120 Women have literally said, if I could go back and somehow make it to where I wasn't pregnant,

00:37:37.940 or stay as it is and get to murder the child i'd pick the latter i want it's not that i don't want 0.98

00:37:43.300 to be pregnant i want to be not pregnant and i want the blood of my child um i i want to kill 0.99

00:37:50.360 i love it i mean i remember watching the the feminist you know baby murder women on the steps 0.99

00:37:55.980 of uh the supreme court taking abortion pills you know in public in front of like we're killing our

00:38:01.780 babies and we love it we love it we love it that was not all that to land the plane on this that

00:38:07.220 was not the woman caught in adultery in John chapter 8. That woman was torn under the weight

00:38:13.520 of her sin. That woman was in tears, not raging, but crying, weeping. She knew she was a sinner.

00:38:20.520 Her rhetoric to Christ was not, thank you for saving me from my oppressors. These guys are

00:38:27.800 really wrong, aren't they, Jesus? You're on my side. These guys are the real sinners. No,

00:38:32.420 there was nothing like that. She's not saying, oh, you saved me from... I was about to be wrongfully

00:38:36.880 uh held accountable for my crime or or this this was entrapment or this was abuse or this was

00:38:43.120 shaming me yeah they were shaming me they were like none of that no no her her sentiment is

00:38:48.920 i'm guilty i know i'm guilty and i can't believe that you're showing me mercy thank you so mercy

00:38:55.960 can come as a first word out of your mouth on the backdrop of a society and a culture

00:39:01.040 that is already thoroughly steeped in the law of god where people know that they're condemned

00:39:05.720 under the law of God, because they're sinners. And the only thing that if there's anything they

00:39:11.060 don't know, it's not that they don't know the law of God and their sinfulness. If there's anything

00:39:14.600 they don't know, it's the grace of God and the salvation that he holds out to those who would

00:39:18.540 have faith in Jesus. That is not the world we're living in. If you think we're still living in

00:39:22.740 that world, you have no clue what time it is. If you're a pastor and you think we're living in

00:39:26.640 that world, that's going to shape every aspect of your ministry, from your preaching to your

00:39:31.820 discipleship, your counseling, and you should resign. You need to step down and immediately

00:39:35.520 resign. That is so far from the world that we're living in, then I don't even know. You are so

00:39:40.660 clueless, you have disqualified yourself on the basis of theology and also on the basis of just

00:39:45.480 sheer intellect, right? You are so dumb. You should not be in a position where you have 1.00

00:39:50.860 responsibility over the souls of men. And those same pastors will think, I went out and I preached

00:39:54.640 the gospel. I preached acceptance and I preached love. They'll legitimately think like, I went out

00:39:59.040 and I preach the good news of the gospel of Jesus Christ,

00:40:02.180 that Jesus takes broken people, 0.53

00:40:04.060 and they'll think they accomplished it. 0.75

00:40:05.420 Then you have a whole class,

00:40:07.700 a seminary class for generations and generations

00:40:10.320 that think they're doing gospel work,

00:40:12.680 that they're preaching the gospel, gospel reconciliation,

00:40:15.100 and they haven't even breathed the word of it

00:40:16.560 because they haven't breathed the first part,

00:40:18.180 the law that comes in that condemns,

00:40:20.800 points to the need for a savior.

00:40:22.040 To that point, as I did work for this article,

00:40:24.240 a lot of Christians are looking for kind of a smoking gun

00:40:26.680 that shows that the funding behind He Gets Us 0.74

00:40:29.380 is nefarious, unchristian, demonic,

00:40:32.320 kind of like with the after party, right?

00:40:35.580 That smoking gun is not emerging.

00:40:38.640 It's not emerging.

00:40:39.660 So far, what we see is that the people

00:40:41.880 who are supporting the He Gets Us

00:40:43.600 are fairly conservative, Christian,

00:40:47.700 big donor bases and non-profit organizations

00:40:52.920 and the owner of Hobby Lobby, the Green family.

00:40:55.380 what's interesting is they support a lot of really legitimately conservative

00:41:00.620 organizations they support liberty university they have supported creation science research

00:41:07.160 they support the um american the the i forget the name of the law firm right now that always 0.61

00:41:12.580 goes to bat for christians who are being sued like the gay cake wedding um americans defending

00:41:17.220 freedom law law group they support a lot of legitimately good conservative organizations

00:41:23.180 And Wes, to your point and what you said earlier, too, the trouble that we're in is not that

00:41:30.860 we are in our camp and arrows are coming from over the wall and managing to find some targets

00:41:36.800 now and then. 0.97

00:41:37.680 The problem is that Christians have been taught that Jesus is this weak, tolerant, effeminate

00:41:44.320 man, and the kind of love that he gives is this affirming, tame kind of love.

00:41:52.280 And consequently, many of these Christians think that they are doing the Lord's work,

00:41:57.240 and they even get a sense of quasi-spiritual fulfillment, thinking, I have served the Lord

00:42:03.100 by putting on ads like he gets us.

00:42:06.800 And to steal man it too, people say, it's a minute.

00:42:09.340 Could you really present the gospel in a minute?

00:42:11.420 Yes.

00:42:12.000 Go look at Jamie Brambeck, his great video.

00:42:14.320 Former, he showed pictures of just former drug addicts, former adulterers, former individuals

00:42:19.320 that were transgender, and just 1 Corinthians.

00:42:21.720 such were some of you it was a minute you can present a lot of good truth succinctly clearly 0.81

00:42:27.200 obviously more needs to be built onto it but it's not the case that like oh you only had so little

00:42:31.040 time and just trying to get across that jesus you know god so loved the world that is true and right

00:42:35.720 it's not that we're just trying to get across this one point we didn't have enough time you can get

00:42:39.520 that across they chose not to they chose to elevate a certain part of jesus character because

00:42:44.880 yeah the devil's advocate would say oh you know you didn't have enough time you guys you know

00:42:49.280 you're doing this podcast and how long are you going to spend on it right you're going to be

00:42:52.120 here for an hour you know they only had a minute but uh you're right jamie did a great job um you

00:42:56.920 should follow his channel if you don't um i it'd be helpful if i could tell you the handle um but

00:43:01.800 i can't uh jamie brambrick is that how you say his name b-r-a-m-b-r-i-c-k yeah brambrick um but

00:43:09.800 his youtube channel uh is where he posts all that stuff you can follow him on twitter too but i've

00:43:13.720 reached out to him and talked to him he's a great guy he lives in ireland um and a great christian

00:43:18.240 guy but he made a little ad same amount of time as the he gets us ad uh but he just changed one

00:43:23.640 vital word and then the images were different uh but he he called it uh he saves us and that right

00:43:29.700 there just in three words that already drastically changes the message because he gets us means um

00:43:34.940 he understands he agrees he jumps in with you affirms um but he saves us immediately begs the

00:43:42.140 question from what why do i need saving what do you mean he saves us right i mean like a message

00:43:48.800 of salvation is offensive to the self-righteous and and that's the thing is everybody thinks of

00:43:53.680 self-righteousness um as as though um as though the religious somehow have a monopoly on self-righteousness

00:44:01.400 um because and and part of it is probably because of their reading or their cursory you know glance

00:44:07.960 reading over the gospels and the new testament right they're like well who was the problem in

00:44:12.660 jesus day it was the religious it was the pharisees and the sadducees and well that's that's a whole

00:44:17.240 kind of work that we could talk about but it is true it is true to say that in jesus day those

00:44:22.360 who were self-righteous were the religious rulers uh everybody has varying degrees of self-righteousness

00:44:28.480 and they're self-righteous about varying you know things some people might be self-righteous about

00:44:32.700 one one you know quality that they deem you know very virtuous about themselves and somebody else

00:44:37.880 as self-righteous about something else but on the whole that is true in jesus day it was the

00:44:42.480 religious rulers um who who seemed to be the most self-righteous um but we read that and i think

00:44:51.040 i think that what one of the mistakes that we've made exegetically is we've said that there are

00:44:56.700 all different kinds of sins right so let's say like perversion and lying and murder and stealing 0.80

00:45:04.480 And we say, these are sins that fall into a category of the world, unbelievers, the 1.00

00:45:10.800 pagan. 0.99

00:45:11.480 So pagans murder and lie and steal. 0.98

00:45:15.500 But the church, Christians, when it comes to our sins, self-righteousness would be at 0.93

00:45:21.080 the top of the list.

00:45:22.200 So what we've done is we've taken the sin of self-righteousness.

00:45:24.900 That is a sin, a big one.

00:45:27.580 But we've taken the sin of self-righteousness and we've assumed, we've just read into it, 0.91

00:45:32.380 eisegeted into that, that only a Christian is capable of self-righteousness. Only the religious 0.94

00:45:39.020 person is capable of self-righteousness. So again, I'll say we have assumed that the church 0.99

00:45:46.520 somehow has garnished a monopoly on self-righteousness, but all you have to do is

00:45:51.100 go visit Oregon for a day and a half. Go to a Starbucks coffee shop. You think these people

00:45:59.480 aren't self-righteous like go talk to somebody standing on the street with green peace you know

00:46:04.920 go and i mean there's there are a million different forms of self-righteousness all

00:46:09.440 self-righteousness is is thinking that you have righteousness in yourself yep yep right so so

00:46:14.780 whether you're self-righteous because uh you think you have righteousness in yourself through the

00:46:19.780 avenue of religion that is one possible way of of of trying to accrue for yourself your own

00:46:25.980 righteousness, the religious route. That is a route. But you can also go the save the environment

00:46:31.520 route. You can go the let in the illegal immigrant route. You can go the be CRT and be anti-racist 1.00

00:46:40.280 routes. There's a lot of different... If you don't think Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is self-righteous,

00:46:47.940 then again, you're asleep. If you don't think Nancy Pelosi is self-righteous,

00:46:52.720 right so uh is trump self-righteous uh-huh yeah yeah is biden self-righteous uh-huh both think

00:46:58.920 that they're righteous in themselves and there's just different avenues of accruing or at least

00:47:04.600 thinking thinking that you're accruing righteousness and so all that being said my point is that um

00:47:10.640 the church does not and has never had a monopoly on self-righteousness um the world unbelievers

00:47:19.000 even those who are in heinous sins, to assume that just because they're committing some kind

00:47:25.320 of heinous sin like abortion, that they're aware that they're sinners and that they're aware that

00:47:29.860 they're wicked is naive at best. Very often the person who... Abortion doctors think that they're

00:47:38.400 righteous. They think they're doing the world a favor. Bill Gates thinks that he's righteous as

00:47:42.720 He talks about how to lower the population.

00:47:46.640 I mean, the dude's literally like talking about plans

00:47:49.820 for murdering half the world and thinks he's righteous.

00:47:54.380 Nobody, we watch too many Disney cartoons.

00:47:57.040 We think that the bad guy knows he's the bad guy

00:47:59.100 and he's in the back room.

00:48:01.180 That's not how evil works.

00:48:03.240 Evil has always thought,

00:48:04.420 every bad guy always thought he was the good guy. 0.62

00:48:07.300 Stalin thought he was the good guy.

00:48:09.460 Mussolini thought he was a good guy.

00:48:10.680 They all thought that they were doing the right thing.

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00:49:10.000 all right so we're gonna dive a little bit into love and valentine's day again our

00:49:24.340 thrust here with this episode is that while there are many problems with the he gets us ad

00:49:29.560 commercial by the way just to tie a bow on that this is a one billion dollar three-year marketing

00:49:37.220 campaign it is not true that there's no money amongst the christians to seek cultural change

00:49:43.760 well that's a lot that's a lot but our contention is that while there are many problems with it

00:49:50.360 right uh one of the biggest problems is how it portrays love and specifically portrays christ

00:49:55.600 and so we want to talk about love a little bit today being valentine's day and um i have coined

00:50:02.440 it might be out there i came up with it but patriarchal romance patriarchal love okay and

00:50:07.980 we i was going to give a history of valentine's day a little bit and one of the reasons i didn't

00:50:12.560 in the article is that actually the history is unclear so apparently there were possibly two to

00:50:18.060 twelve uh people named valentine who were martyred in about the three to four hundreds

00:50:22.820 the most likely sore story is that um one of the emperors and i didn't bring my notes for this but

00:50:27.980 had actually at one point declared marriage to be illegal, all marriage throughout the Roman

00:50:32.700 Empire. It was short, temporary, but he was having none of it. And there were two Christian priests

00:50:40.640 who still would perform marriages for Christians. And both of them were discovered, both of them 0.89

00:50:46.440 were, their name was Valentine, and both of them were executed for sticking to the Christian

00:50:52.580 sacrament of marriage and marrying their people under God. And so they were martyred and executed.

00:50:59.200 Later on, there was an emperor who was trying to replace a pagan holiday that was very given to

00:51:06.540 orgies and drunkenness, and it was as open of a situation as anything we find in our time now.

00:51:15.180 and it was on april uh 15th i believe was the day that it fell on and so he found that these martyrs

00:51:23.220 the valentines had been martyred in february right around there and so he replaced the holiday um i

00:51:30.200 wish i had brought my notes for that but he replaced it with an honor and homage to saint

00:51:34.520 valentine who had been martyred for their commitment to christian marriage not necessarily

00:51:39.400 related to christian romance then in modern times and i did that to combat the the what was currently 0.88

00:51:45.580 going on which was a pagan it was a pagan erotic orgy like one night of right no no rules yeah one

00:51:53.360 okay gotcha the purge roman times yeah um in the early 1900s uh someone wrote a poem about a godly 0.79

00:52:02.880 man who was providing for his family and um kind of revive oh i'm sorry i'm getting happy wife happy

00:52:08.480 life confused so anyway over the years the idea of saint valentine being someone who stood for

00:52:14.760 true christian love which ironically was marriage um developed and then it's kind of become more

00:52:20.180 secular now there's not a lot of religious significance behind the the romance and the

00:52:25.320 love that is kind of demonstrated but it's not bad to have a day where we celebrate romance and

00:52:31.580 marital fidelity and faithfulness and passion and love and all those things are good right we're not

00:52:36.560 going to sit here and say, to your point earlier about the natural order of things, like, these

00:52:41.260 are good things, right? We ought to love our wives. Wives ought to love their husbands, and we ought 1.00

00:52:46.520 to celebrate that. Christians are sometimes the worst at celebrating what is good in the right 1.00

00:52:52.160 ways, right? And so that's a little bit about Valentine's Day, but it's why I didn't put it 1.00

00:52:57.320 in the article. There's mixed stories. There's not a clear consensus. Okay. So Valentine's Day

00:53:04.760 today is i don't know it seems like a far cry from what you just described like you know

00:53:11.620 religious christian priests defending the sanctity of marriage when you have you know some

00:53:18.620 tyrannical overlord you know who's trying to somehow forbid all marriage and these priests

00:53:24.020 at risk of their own lives and allegedly actually paid the ultimate price they actually were put to

00:53:29.460 death they were willing to defend christian marriage between one man and one woman that's

00:53:34.560 not today i feel like valentine's day doesn't even have anything to do with marriage like even if you

00:53:39.940 look for valentine's cards you know it's it's not like they're all written to to my uh loving wife

00:53:45.620 or to my adoring husband it's it's you know it's it's not even it's not there's not even when you

00:53:52.140 come when you approach valentine's day there's not even the assumption that it's going to be

00:53:56.080 within a marriage celebrating it it's probably boyfriend girlfriend a dating situation or it's

00:54:02.660 you know same sex couple or it's whatever or somebody valentine to themselves or to their

00:54:07.260 dog or whatever like so you know it's i feel like it's completely been you know hijacked 100%

00:54:13.100 and this is because christians have given up the definition of love and so originally before the

00:54:20.340 super bowl commercial it was going to be more focused on valentine's day and i said the world's

00:54:24.920 view of love and romance is self-love, right? You affirm my identity, I love myself, and I love

00:54:32.680 myself either in a literal romance with myself or by coming up with my own definition of what

00:54:38.000 love is, romance is. It can be with someone of my own sex, it can be with multiple people,

00:54:43.700 right? So that's self-love. It's the elevation of what my idea of love is. But complementarian

00:54:49.120 and egalitarian view of love and romance

00:54:51.860 is the love of women, right? 0.89

00:54:53.900 The love of women.

00:54:54.880 And so this is where I was getting into

00:54:57.200 the happy wife, happy life thing,

00:54:58.520 which is a terrible statement

00:54:59.620 because for a lot of reasons I won't go into,

00:55:02.160 but the common idea of what good marital love

00:55:07.960 and romance is now is if your wife is happy.

00:55:10.980 If you are making sure that you take her out

00:55:13.980 on a date once a week, I'm not opposed to that.

00:55:15.760 It's good, right?

00:55:16.560 It's good to spend time with your wife,

00:55:18.180 to love her to cherish her as a fellow heir of the grace of life but so much of what we're told

00:55:22.740 in christianity about love and romance is if mom ain't happy ain't no one happy right right and so

00:55:29.140 we elevate the woman and the kind of the praise of the woman and this is really just a not quite

00:55:37.120 on the surface idolatrous view of goddess worship that we've seen for a long time through a lot of

00:55:42.100 history um and in contrast to that we we need to recapture love and in my view true romance and

00:55:49.280 true love has to be hierarchical and it has to be patriarchal and if you'll give me a moment here

00:55:54.600 i'll i'll run uh an idea and if you guys disagree with me guys if you're saying something has to be

00:55:59.280 patriarchal like honestly it's like the spider-man meme it's like you already sold me yeah could it

00:56:04.480 really be that bad yeah well you already sold me the moment you said patriarchy then it's like all

00:56:09.120 i'm on board i don't even have to explain it but for every you know the feminists who might be

00:56:12.440 listening they might need some convincing i'm already let me say one thing about our culture's

00:56:16.000 treatment of valentine's day go ahead it's very telling that the deepest conception that they

00:56:20.360 have of love is is eros it's just erotic like the biggest most loving deepest connection they can

00:56:26.560 fathom or think about and celebrate isn't lifelong some of it's not even longer than an evening

00:56:32.180 that's what they think it is it's as shallow as as this deep and it's very telling c.s lewis talks

00:56:37.240 about this like if people think about david and jonathan like oh they loved each other so much

00:56:40.800 were they gay all you are telling on is yourself right you've never had a friendship that didn't 0.68

00:56:46.100 have an erotic sexual component either you're telling on yourself that either you're gay 0.99

00:56:49.840 or you're lonely at best you're lonely at worst you're good way out right yeah yeah yeah but 0.98

00:56:55.460 that's a good point well real quick before you hop into that there's just on the comments

00:56:58.540 um there's a allen and so a allen has been uh just very troubled and very concerned um so much

00:57:05.720 concerned and so much troubling uh by my comments about uh trying to make sure that uh unborn children

00:57:11.760 aren't ripped into pieces and sucked out of their mother's you know womb through a vacuum cleaner

00:57:15.480 that worries him and so you know he's he's very worried about you know babies not being ripped

00:57:20.400 apart so what he said um is uh earlier backing up in the comments he said you know what about

00:57:25.600 the 10 year old girl who uh was forced can you find that comment nathan real quick i love that

00:57:31.760 to use the word force. Should the 10-year-old rape victim who was forced to travel from Ohio,

00:57:37.720 so not forced into sex, that's what rape is. So that would be forced, but that's not where he's

00:57:42.460 using the word. He's saying forced to travel, right? Somebody picked her up and carried her

00:57:47.000 from Ohio to Indiana against her will and forced her to get an abortion. Should she get the death 1.00

00:57:52.860 penalty, right? So, hey, Alan, you're dumb. That's stupid. That is stupid. But let's go ahead and 1.00

00:57:58.340 address the stupidity so should the 10 year old rape victim first that is atrocious god hates rape 1.00

00:58:03.920 and her her um oppressor who raped her should be put to death publicly he should be hung or firing 1.00

00:58:10.940 squad i prefer a firing squad because uh the whole community can be involved so like israel 1.00

00:58:16.040 exactly israel would um part of the reason why it was stoning is because the sin was a public

00:58:22.180 crime was against the whole people it affected everybody uh like the sin of aiken affected the

00:58:27.100 whole camp and so it's saying no this is incumbent upon all of you all have a moral responsibility

00:58:31.080 to purge the evil one from among you so the firing squad the the gallows um or even a guillotine for

00:58:37.600 that matter can be public where everybody's participating in terms of observance uh spectating

00:58:42.500 but um but actually putting the person to death i think that there's some strong biblical uh

00:58:47.660 reasoning behind that and as a general equity theonomist i like the idea of bullets because

00:58:52.960 they're little stones yeah right i was thinking about that i was like we have modern day stoning

00:58:56.720 that's right bullets are little stones so um all that being said first uh the rapist should be put 0.95

00:59:01.940 to death because we love women too because that is love for women and how we should cherish the 0.97

00:59:06.400 weaker vessel and then secondly to answer his question the 10 year old um if she was forced

00:59:11.980 all right so i'll just i'm going to deal with his question on the face of it the way he asked it

00:59:15.100 if she was forced to go out of state to go to an abortion clinic and to uh and to get an abortion

00:59:22.080 then no she should not be put to death right so so i mean if that's your question a you know or

00:59:27.520 a it makes me think of uh oh that's what it is aaron maybe that's probably the so if that's

00:59:33.860 the question um a 10 year old girl is forced to go to another state and forced to get an abortion

00:59:39.440 there um then no of course she shouldn't be put to death she should have no penalty whatsoever

00:59:44.080 because she was forced um but if what you're actually saying is that um that she volitionally

00:59:50.960 chose to do that well i again equal penalties equal protection equal dignity dignity so first

00:59:58.360 what are the laws in regards to a 10 year old right because it is different we're talking about

01:00:02.120 a minor and even if she had volition so even if she wasn't forced physically taken to the state

01:00:07.260 taken to the abortion clinic strapped down on a table you know you know even if it wasn't she's

01:00:12.180 physically forced to do this there probably was for a 10 year old to make this decision there

01:00:17.720 probably was a great deal of coercion. And so that has to be taken into account. This 10-year-old,

01:00:22.840 who ultimately is going to be responsible for that? Her father. That decision comes down on

01:00:29.660 her father. The Bible even talks about a woman, if she makes certain vows, they can actually be

01:00:36.180 overridden. If a man makes vows before the Lord, he's bound to them. But if a daughter of a man

01:00:41.180 makes certain vows, the father actually can step in and say, I'm sorry, sweetheart, that was dumb.

01:00:45.960 I'm going to overwrite and she's released from her vows. And we're not just talking about

01:00:50.480 a 21-year-old daughter. We're talking about a 10-year-old to use A. Allen's example. So if

01:00:56.180 we're talking about a 10-year-old girl, if she's actually forced in the way that you were the

01:00:59.660 question, then there's no penalty for her at all, but the person who forces her. So the rapist gets

01:01:04.900 the death penalty and then the person who forced her, assuming it's an adult, forced her to get an 0.99

01:01:08.820 abortion, they should get the death penalty. If she's coerced, there is some volition. She goes

01:01:13.300 along with it. But again, she's a 10-year-old minor under her father's legal care. Again,

01:01:19.500 that is going to be taken into massive consideration in the same way that we would

01:01:24.020 treat any other minor if a 10-year-old commits a homicide that's outside of the womb. How would

01:01:29.940 we treat that? They likely would not get the death penalty. The fact that they're 10 years old

01:01:34.680 would come into play. And if it was a 10-year-old murder in any other instance, a homicide with,

01:01:39.400 you know they're murdering someone who is born a a born person not an unborn baby um it's possible

01:01:45.200 that that this could be done uh where it's just them and the parents had no knowledge right right

01:01:49.980 but in this case um it's it's virtually impossible that this girl um went out of state found a bus

01:01:56.860 or a plane or whatever traveled all by herself i don't even know if a 10 year old could get on a

01:02:02.140 bus i don't know you know like if you call california they'll fly you over there but by

01:02:06.260 yourself they'll send a plane and pick up a 10 year old without any like i mean i don't even know

01:02:10.800 if anybody would do it california would but so anyways um my point is a 10 year old could murder

01:02:15.920 a born person right um in on on the playground with their parents you know 15 miles away at home

01:02:22.900 right you know and and completely unaware of the situation but to get on in this case an abortion

01:02:28.000 to get on a bus to go to another state to schedule an appointment to go into the appointments to get

01:02:33.180 the procedure the killing to all there's no way that she did that right by herself meaning some

01:02:39.380 adult was involved so one she's 10 right she's a minor two um as a minor not only the cognitive

01:02:47.640 ability being highly questionable and that should come into play but in addition to that not just

01:02:52.960 that she's undeveloped as a 10 year old girl but also she is is legally and just practically 0.75

01:02:58.840 incapable of carrying this this deed out without help without someone uh either talking her into

01:03:06.420 it coercion or at least abating and and abetting and and helping her in this process which again

01:03:12.500 would transfer guilt to another party at least partial transfer of guilt to another party so to

01:03:18.040 answer your question a alan um no a a 10 year old rape victim um who's forced to go to another state

01:03:26.540 and get an abortion would not get the death penalty um but i think you know that and your 0.99

01:03:31.460 question is stupid yeah all right and 95 abortions they're elective for lifestyle choices don't take 0.99

01:03:36.800 the one percent of the one percent and say this whole theory is invalid right no no no that's not 1.00

01:03:40.920 the majority of the cases and that's foolish something that the abolitionists like one woman 0.73

01:03:44.540 could bench 300 pounds so let's let's uh all women should play in the nfl sounds reasonable to me 0.67

01:03:48.280 something that the abolitionists say that's very helpful is the law has to be established and then

01:03:53.440 we have judges for a reason to adjudicate the situation that's good to say wait a minute is this

01:03:59.080 is this a little bit outside is this inside the law and then they make sentencing decisions and

01:04:04.480 there's some leeway there right and that's actually biblical where you evaluate you have the law but

01:04:10.960 then there's leeway to apply sentences and account for the circumstances that were present when the

01:04:16.500 when the murder happened that that's already built into our law that judges look at the

01:04:21.120 the mitigating factors and decide what was going on right now right okay so okay go for it michael

01:04:27.940 patriarchal love we are used to as christians i'll use the example of sex within marriage

01:04:34.980 we are used to the idea of saying love needs to be bounded okay there's a fence around certain

01:04:42.320 deeds of love right and so we we are used to saying sex ought to be within the fence of marriage

01:04:50.960 okay that's that's fine but what i have realized is that biblically there is a fence but it's not

01:04:57.840 around a flat field it's around a tiered rice paddy right and so if you think about a family

01:05:04.400 it is true that a family members of a family are to love each other more than they love the family

01:05:10.920 down the street and more than they love the family in australia however within that family

01:05:15.540 There are steps. The way a father shows love to his children is not the way that children

01:05:22.180 are supposed to show love to their father, even though they're supposed to have a greater

01:05:26.880 commitment of love to the members in that family. A father shows love to his children by providing

01:05:33.340 for them, by disciplining them, by condescending to them. You know, the dad gets down on the rug

01:05:38.420 and plays with the one-year-old, right? He condescends to the one-year-old. A child does

01:05:43.360 not condescend to his father. He does not discipline his father. And so God has built

01:05:49.200 hierarchy into all structures in society. And love not only needs to be within the bounds,

01:05:58.280 but it needs to flow the way the hierarchy demands. And so when we think about society in

01:06:04.100 this way, imagine you've got two teachers. Wine is a blue-haired lesbian trans rights activist who 0.99

01:06:12.240 is indoctrinating her students and grooming them to transition their genders, whatever that means. 0.58

01:06:18.200 Another is a teacher who is working behind the scenes to try and be given permission to pray

01:06:24.440 before her classes, both in the non-public school, both teachers, both with students.

01:06:30.140 There's a sense where in society, we ought to have a hierarchy of raising and lowering,

01:06:35.720 of showing a different kind of love to the people that need to be lowered than to the people that

01:06:40.340 need to be elevated. The woman, the teacher who's fighting for prayer in her classroom,

01:06:44.340 the way we show her love is by elevating her, supporting her, honoring her, coming to her

01:06:50.700 defense, paying her legal bills if necessary. We raise her up as an example of godliness and

01:06:55.920 virtue. The woman who is grooming children, the way we show love to her is we knock her down. 1.00

01:07:03.120 And this is for several reasons, two reasons. One, if she doesn't repent, she will go to hell. 1.00

01:07:07.800 But secondly, if she persists in grooming these children into quote-unquote transitioning, 0.97

01:07:14.720 not only will she go to hell, but as Jesus said, it's better for the millstone to be hung around 0.81

01:07:19.240 the neck than to cause the little ones to stumble. And so her penalty in hell will be even worse 0.72

01:07:26.280 for every child that she leads down that destructive, sinful, wicked road. And so our

01:07:33.740 love for her is not only to knock her down, but to get her removed from that position. The love

01:07:40.720 that we show in a society elevates people for godliness, for honor, for virtue, and it lowers

01:07:46.760 people for wickedness, for foolishness, and for immorality of that level. And so this idea that

01:07:55.180 hierarchy is built into society, it's built into marriage relationships, husband doesn't love his

01:08:00.220 wife, the way life loves her husband, the love has to flow the direction that the hierarchy

01:08:05.520 demands, even when it's already within the border that God has given, right?

01:08:10.680 And that, for me, we are not going to win the battle against pagan romance.

01:08:16.240 We're not going to win the battle against he gets us presenting a false image of Christ

01:08:20.540 and the love that he offers until we're willing to exercise hierarchical, strong, masculine

01:08:26.080 male love and women and when you're willing and ready to exercise feminine godly receiving

01:08:33.480 submissive love until that happens we've given up the definition of love and so that anyone who

01:08:38.840 watches that super bowl commercial thinks well that's what loving is i guess that's how christian

01:08:43.220 should be right yeah no that's good so love it's not just uh it's not merely enough that love stays

01:08:49.240 within its bounds but then within its bounds it can't be less than that right but it's more than

01:08:53.660 that so it must stay within its bounds but then within its bounds love has to flow in the right

01:08:58.040 directions in the right way different forms of love or how would you wear it like that well i

01:09:02.920 don't know if it's it's not different different different demonstrations of love okay different

01:09:06.940 manifestation how you show your love to your wife is different than how a wife is going to show you

01:09:10.980 love so it's not even different differing degrees like there are moments where like my kids i mean

01:09:15.140 my kids they love me yeah you know um but not not in the same way right so it's not even varying

01:09:21.580 degrees. It's not that, you know, that my wife shouldn't love me or should love me half as much

01:09:26.340 as I love her. But the way that she loves me, the form or the manifestation, the demonstration of

01:09:33.120 love is that my wife loves me through honor, through respect, deference. I love her through

01:09:40.120 affection, encouragement, adoration, provision, protection. Any thoughts on what Michael was

01:09:46.680 saying about love and patriarchal love hierarchical love yeah i mean just to give an encouragement i

01:09:52.540 guess to the women you'll see this sometimes said online but for just a woman to just that loves a

01:09:57.580 man that if she's able to be a stay-at-home woman to give him children cook a good meal and be sweet

01:10:02.280 when he comes home there are just about no limits to what a man would do for her i think luther said

01:10:07.220 something to the effect of give me beer and a good woman and i'll conquer the world like you may not

01:10:12.160 have tried it. Give it a try. See what love and encouragement, putting one another up. We're so 1.00

01:10:17.260 tempted to, and I find this myself, neuroticism, to focus on the negative. The proverb says it's a

01:10:22.560 glory to cover an offense. So even if you've had a tough day, he's had a tough day, to welcome him

01:10:27.700 in sweetly, that will move mountains. And it'll move mountains for a number of reasons. One of

01:10:32.200 the biggest ones is that God's designed it that way to work. He's designed for the woman to give 0.99

01:10:36.200 that affection and that warmth and that joy, for the man to give the love and the protection and

01:10:40.540 the security. So when you do things the way that God designed it, don't be surprised if it goes

01:10:45.480 really well. And it doesn't always, not to say there aren't cases that are way out there, but

01:10:50.200 the majority of the time, God will bless as we live in accordance to how he's made the world

01:10:54.220 and in accordance to how he's written his word. Amen. Any final thoughts for today?

01:11:00.060 It's a good summation. My final thought is A. Allen is just coming back in the comments. And

01:11:07.680 i just i mean it's a perfect time to end the podcast but it's just so dumb i just feel like 0.74

01:11:14.500 he needs to be publicly embarrassed again so one last public shaming for a allen god bless you 0.53

01:11:20.200 nate can you scroll back up to one of his comments i mean there's there's several of them and it's 0.99

01:11:25.120 hard to determine you know it's a it's a fierce competition for which one's the dumbest but

01:11:30.580 go down a little bit i think that's it uh here we are um they aren't for convenience he's talking 0.96

01:11:36.800 about abortion so yeah abortions uh um you know other people in the chat christians so there's

01:11:41.880 christians and then there's a allen so the christians in the chat are saying that uh most

01:11:45.840 abortions 95 percent of them are done for convenience um and a allen is arguing that

01:11:51.140 they aren't done for convenience the majority are done for economic reasons because the baby can't

01:11:55.840 be supported financially or economically do you guys have any thoughts well i will say this slavery

01:12:00.520 was for economic reasons that's true too but there are more people that's a great point there

01:12:04.880 are more people on lists to adopt children in america than there are children to be adopted

01:12:09.480 right which means we have a negative deficit and killed that's right but what i'm saying is

01:12:14.320 right now if we got serious about it there are more families that want kids than kids that would

01:12:19.360 be born and sadly a lot of adoption agencies are making it more difficult like i understand

01:12:24.320 right it's not like you're you know it's not like you're buying a toy you know right it's not even

01:12:29.520 like you're buying an ar you know like i mean there's you know maybe some responsibility there

01:12:33.000 but it's like this is a human being you're taking home a kid so i understand that like there needs

01:12:36.820 to be proper vetting and all these kinds of things you don't want just anyone you know um but we know

01:12:41.880 that's not the problem the problem i don't think the problem is you know adoption i'm sure there's

01:12:45.900 some good ones so let me let me caveat by saying i'm sure there's some good christian adoption

01:12:49.500 agencies okay so that being said at least for some of these adoption agencies vetting um doesn't seem

01:12:55.220 to be like the real hold up because if it was vetting that they wouldn't be giving kids to two

01:12:59.260 gay dudes right so you know like like dave rubin wouldn't have a kid you know so obviously that's 0.61

01:13:06.740 even worse that's surrogacy yeah that's right that's which is a form of slavery yeah absolutely 0.89

01:13:10.700 yeah just farming out babies to to gay dudes you know and then we find out 12 years later you know 0.63

01:13:15.940 on the news that who would have thought they were you know molested so anyways um but uh i don't

01:13:22.380 think it you know there should be some vetting but i don't think a lot of these adoption agencies or

01:13:25.760 least some of them are doing that but there is a sense eric khan talked about this and the world

01:13:29.640 lost its mind you know on twitter and got really really really upset when i say the world i mean

01:13:33.540 christians um you know shocking but um but his point was saying that you know that uh that the

01:13:39.960 adoption you know industry is an industry yeah yeah and it's a multi-billion dollar industry

01:13:45.300 it's a bit you know there's a buck to be made you know and so that's i think that's part of the

01:13:49.200 hold up is um adoption on one hand needs to be hard it needs to be difficult to adopt a baby

01:13:55.220 but i think uh sadly because there's sin and wickedness in the world there's a lot of you

01:14:01.600 know adoption you know um hoops that are not actually concerned for the child but are concerned

01:14:06.980 for a buck so that's part of the problem and then you know and then also uh like you said there's

01:14:11.440 just not enough babies to adopt because because they keep getting killed instead you know so 0.97

01:14:16.980 there are so anyways back to a allen's you know dumb comment um uh if she can't afford the child 0.95

01:14:23.660 um adoption is uh massive viable right there you know um does does a woman i don't know if it's 0.50

01:14:32.560 just the agency or the state or what does the woman get any money when when a child is adopted

01:14:38.180 no foster families do okay um well i if she keeps the baby there's going to be lots of money 1.00

01:14:45.280 available well yeah yeah well that and that's so one she can give them up for adoption and then two

01:14:49.260 you know um of course like no i'm not a huge fan of this obviously but yeah but right now like i 0.96

01:14:54.980 mean there are women who literally have babies and they've even said this verbally you know say 1.00

01:14:58.680 they're having babies because they make so much money from the state for each child that they have 0.91

01:15:04.100 the state incentivizes women not to marry the father of their children like the state comes 1.00

01:15:08.900 in and says um if you marry the father of that baby and uh and expect him to provide for the

01:15:14.600 child um you get nothing that's right but if you will send him away yep and allow this child to be 0.94

01:15:20.700 a bastard um and and uncle stan gets to be daddy sam um we'll pay you handsomely to do so and this 0.98

01:15:28.600 and this is again an example a allen's comment of the false love it you think you're being loving 0.99

01:15:34.640 by saying the woman will be in a tough spot economically and so we are going to love her

01:15:39.780 We're going to get down in the mud with her.

01:15:42.180 You cannot violate God's commands and be showing love.

01:15:46.580 Romans 14, 13, love fulfills the law.

01:15:51.160 Love fulfills the law.

01:15:52.460 So sometimes love can go beyond the law.

01:15:54.260 I can just choose to buy somebody a gift, but I can't go under the law.

01:15:58.940 I can't be less than the law and call it love.

01:16:00.560 It is not love to be less or violating the law.

01:16:04.680 How love does that baby feel?

01:16:06.360 It doesn't.

01:16:07.620 and even if you have the worst uphill climb ahead of you even if the baby has down syndrome or

01:16:12.340 special needs murdering it is still off the table i'm sorry i'm sorry if it will bankrupt you and

01:16:17.560 it will be tough you can't murder a helpless child right yep two wrongs don't make a right

01:16:21.800 you know and this is the vast minority of cases but if it happens to be god forbid one of these

01:16:27.400 rare cases where you know a woman actually is raped and even a minor a young girl is raped

01:16:32.520 two wrongs in god's economy his moral economy two wrongs don't make a right you don't fix the the

01:16:38.020 the initial wrong by committing a second you don't say well um somebody did something wrong to me so

01:16:43.520 now i'm going to do something wrong to someone else another person namely this baby right so

01:16:49.080 this man hurt me so then i'm going to hurt them not not not it's not even vengeance it's not even

01:16:55.820 a vigil ante uh you know like you know taking it right exactly like you know that should be done

01:17:01.540 through the proper order, through the civil magistrate. That man who raped you should 0.93

01:17:04.560 receive the proper consequences from the proper party, from the state. If a woman retaliated and 0.52

01:17:10.640 took it into her own hands, vengeance towards him, that would be wrong. But we're not even

01:17:14.940 talking about that. We're not saying he did wrong to you. And so now you're trying to get back at

01:17:18.800 him. No, he did wrong to you. And then you're turning around and saying, well, forget him.

01:17:23.560 I won't do anything to him. This innocent bystander, this baby, I'm going to take their

01:17:29.440 life it just yeah it just makes absolutely no sense all right well um i think that's it nathan

01:17:35.280 can you scroll down are there any final comments i will resist i will resist um all right yeah i

01:17:45.800 know i know but trolls make for good conversation sometimes sometimes you just ignore them and then 0.98

01:17:49.640 sometimes you just call them stupid on live air again and again and the people love it so thousands 1.00

01:17:56.240 as people get to say, what a dumb interlocutor. 1.00

01:17:59.540 All right, well, thank you guys for tuning in 0.97

01:18:01.000 and we will be back next week.

01:18:02.960 So every Wednesday at 4 p.m. with Michael and Wesley

01:18:05.700 doing the live stream, Wednesday's 4 p.m. Central time.

01:18:08.260 But the next episode that we'll have for you guys

01:18:10.120 will be this Friday.

01:18:10.880 So Friday, we'll have Andrew Isker and Aidy Robles,

01:18:13.220 myself again, continuing the Boniface Options series.

01:18:16.220 That's this Friday at 4 p.m. Central.

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The NXR Podcast - February 14, 2024

THE LIVESTREAM - What Valentines Day And HeGetsUs Don’t Get About Love

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