The NXR Podcast - THE LIVESTREAM - White Parents Need To Have “The Talk” With Their Kids

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00:00:30 Welcome. Let me begin this episode by saying a simple fact that we should all be able to agree

00:00:36 with. White lives matter. And I want to start by reading a tweet that I put out a couple days ago 1.00

00:00:44 in response to a white woman who was recently brutally murdered by a black man on a subway.

00:00:51 here's the tweet BLM used to always mention in 2020 2021 black parents needing to have the talk

00:01:02 with their black children especially when they got their driver's license here's a little snippet of

00:01:09 the talk you have to be careful because cops are out to get you now I opposed this rhetoric at the 0.54

00:01:16 time because it was statistically false. On its face, it was false. This was during the time when

00:01:26 LeBron James, right, making millions and millions of dollars as the highest paid NBA player said

00:01:34 that cops are hunting black men down in the street. That was the narrative at the time.

00:01:41 and you would see even pastors as we're going to show you a clip from a famous minister

00:01:47 hopping onto this rhetoric and saying you know black parents have to have the talk

00:01:53 with their black teenagers about how their very lives are under threat and how cops are out to 0.97

00:01:59 get them and will shoot them unarmed dead in the street so i oppose that rhetoric at the time 0.79

00:02:06 continuing with the tweet now because it was false. White parents are now having the talk 1.00

00:02:12 with their white children. Here's a little snippet of how that talk goes. Don't sit near 0.56

00:02:18 to a black man on a subway. Or better yet, don't go on the subway at all. Now I support this 1.00

00:02:27 rhetoric for a simple reason, because it's true. I did not support BLM, not just because they're

00:02:36 black and I'm white, but because they lied and I want to support truth. I do, however, support

00:02:44 white parents having a conversation at the appropriate time with their children about what

00:02:50 it looks like to live in a diverse country where diversity is our strength and the great

00:02:57 threats and dangers that are prevalent for young white people because of said diversity.

00:03:06 That talk is necessary. As a father, as a Christian, as a pastor, I will encourage white 1.00

00:03:14 parents to have this kind of discussion with their white children because this threat is real 0.93

00:03:22 the threat from police officers to unarmed black people false the threat of black people 0.59

00:03:30 to white people and white young people especially true true i go on in the tweet finally to say this 0.82

00:03:41 woke right is not a thing why because blm lied about white racism however the new right or in

00:03:52 my case the new christian right acknowledges the truth about anti-white hatred woke right

00:03:59 it's not a thing right that's what james lindsey and these kinds of guys they keep trying to

00:04:05 juxtapose woke left and woke right well the woke left which is just woke was wrong because it was

00:04:15 false it spun a narrative that was not real a narrative of white privilege meanwhile at the

00:04:23 time that that was being said white students couldn't even get into a university white men

00:04:30 could not get a job and be employed. There was literal prejudice and discrimination against,

00:04:39 not for, but against white people on the books during the height of BLM woke left rhetoric.

00:04:48 So to say, well, the woke left is bad because they're obsessed about race and how white people 0.62

00:04:54 are oppressing black people, and that's wrong. I agree. Do you know why it's wrong? 0.89

00:04:59 because it's false. But Woke Right is no different. It's just the same. It's also

00:05:04 obsessed about race, about how black people are hurting white people. That one's real. 0.97

00:05:10 That one is real. Buckle up, buttercup. It's time for the show. 0.99

00:05:16 all right all right all right welcome back let's run some numbers nathan i've got a couple tweets

00:05:31 ready for you let's go with the next one uh here we are per capita all right per capita it's the

00:05:38 kryptonite of every minority here in america right this is a phrase that uh that strikes terror

00:05:43 into the heart of anybody who has a little bit too much melanin in their skin, per capita,

00:05:49 meaning not just the sheer number. Because remember, 59% of our country, which is approximately

00:05:54 330 million people, is still made up with European descendants, white people. So white 0.99

00:06:00 people are still, not by much, but still the majority in our country. So it's not just sheer

00:06:05 numeric metrics of, well, this many white people did that. Well, you would expect more white people 0.87

00:06:11 to do both positive and negative things because there are more white people. Per capita meaning 0.95

00:06:17 if we boil this down to a thousand is what I'm using here, right? So actual averages and not

00:06:23 just the sheer number. This is the tweet. Per capita, offending rates per 1,000. Blacks against

00:06:30 whites. This is talking about violent attacks, right? So it's not always homicide, doesn't always 1.00

00:06:35 end in murder, but still violent crimes, violent aggressive crimes. Blacks against whites, 0.98

00:06:41 it is 11.6 out of 1,000. Whites against blacks, it is 0.38, 0.38. The ratio, 31 to 1. Let me break 0.90

00:06:55 it down. In other words, a white person is 31 times more likely to be physically victimized

00:07:03 by a black person than the other way around. Let me say that again. A white person in these 0.82

00:07:10 United States of America in the year of our Lord 2025 is 31 times. That's 3,100% more likely to be

00:07:21 physically victimized by a black person than the other way around. Now, I had the privilege 0.99

00:07:27 recently um this weekend on friday of going on uh the tim pool podcast and tim was a perfect

00:07:35 gentleman and a wonderful host and had a great time arguing with a leftist and tim very much

00:07:42 being on my side he was probably a little bit more heated than i was arguing about uh the need

00:07:48 and supporting um that it would be it would be right it would be morally right and good for

00:07:54 Donald Trump, our president, to federalize the National Guard and send them in not just D.C.

00:08:00 He has clear jurisdiction there, but cities like Chicago. And that's a city that Tim Pool was born

00:08:07 and raised in. And so, you know, there's a soft place in his heart for Chicago. And he was talking

00:08:14 about, you know, well, you know, murder rates have gone down. You know, there's still murder.

00:08:19 and yes Chicago especially the south side of Chicago is a hellhole I think just the weekend

00:08:26 before there were 54 murders 54 shootings eight deaths in Chicago that's right 54 shootings eight

00:08:32 deaths well one of the points and that leads perfectly into what I was going to say one of

00:08:35 the points that Tim Pool made that I thought was really insightful is he said one of the reasons

00:08:40 why murder is going down is not because the intent for criminals has gone down but because

00:08:47 everyone has a phone in their pocket. I mean, think about once upon a time, I mean, somebody

00:08:51 gets shot in a dark alleyway and you're running for the nearest pay phone that, you know, could

00:08:56 take you 10, 15, 20 minutes just to get there. You know, you hope that you've got a quarter in your

00:09:01 pocket so that you're able to use it, you know, so that you can call 911 so that the ambulance can

00:09:06 arrive. Whereas now, you know, when certain violent crimes occur, the first responders are

00:09:14 on the scene much more quickly because of the increased development in technology, a cell phone

00:09:20 being one of those things. Let's call attention to those four images if you can show that tweet

00:09:24 again. Yeah, let's show it again. So here's, you know, speaking of technology, remember one of the

00:09:30 big things that BLM pushed was we need accountability for police officers. We need body

00:09:34 cams, right? No more Derek Chauvin, no more, you know, white police officers hunting down, you 0.98

00:09:40 The Michael Brown case was a big one.

00:09:42 Right, hands up, don't shoot, which didn't happen, come to find out.

00:09:47 It was just a bold-faced lie.

00:09:49 He was not holding his hands up, saying, please don't shoot.

00:09:52 That was a lie.

00:09:53 So this is the result.

00:09:54 Put the tweet up one more time.

00:09:55 This is the result of body cam on police officers.

00:09:59 And increased surveillance on public transit.

00:10:01 This case we're talking about today, that comes from the Charlotte Light Rail,

00:10:04 adding more surveillance because of crime.

00:10:07 And so we have more surveillance and police with body cams wearing them more often.

00:10:10 Yeah, one of the most vindicating elements for police officers in recent times has been body

00:10:18 cams. It's shown exactly the opposite of what BLM and the woke left insisted. Okay, Nathan,

00:10:26 one more tweet now, please. So that's per capita, 31 times more likely for a white person

00:10:33 to be the victim of a violent crime of a black person than the other way around.

00:10:40 Now, people say, well, the FBI statistics are lying. So I added this to the tweet. I said,

00:10:46 and yes, the FBI statistics, they are actually skewed in favor of blacks. The truth is likely 1.00

00:10:54 worse. Never forget, all of these people and many others have been categorized as white.

00:11:02 Now, if you're listening on Apple or Spotify,

00:11:04 then you won't be able to appreciate this tweet in its full glory.

00:11:08 But for those of you who are watching on YouTube or X,

00:11:10 we have visually there in the tweet,

00:11:12 I added a number of individuals,

00:11:15 and I added more, actually, if you go and find the tweet on Twitter.

00:11:19 But a number of individuals, and these are just some,

00:11:23 who are very clearly not white,

00:11:25 but were labeled by the police department as white.

00:11:29 Wes, what do you think?

00:11:30 Yeah, so that means, practically speaking, that the true number is probably higher.

00:11:35 This is actually a comment from someone who lives in Chicago, Deacon St. John.

00:11:38 He said, I'm a Chicago emergency response worker on the south side of Chicago.

00:11:42 The news does not even have the manpower to attempt to show an accurate picture of how bad it is here.

00:11:47 And so we're going to get into the story and the specifics and even some evangelicals and the news outlets, how they responded to it.

00:11:53 But all of this is continuing to build a case on the foundation and the bedrock that really it's only been in the last, I would say, four to five years.

00:12:01 People have really grasped how bad it is. 0.84

00:12:02 So Black Lives Matter obviously brought policing to the forefront.

00:12:05 But something else that brought these news stories and cases of violence to the forefront was Elon Musk purchasing X.

00:12:11 And X has, on this topic at least, not necessarily on every topic, but on this topic at least, has been very open to allowing, to a certain degree, people to actually see the violence taking place.

00:12:21 And really one of the only places publicly where these things can be seen.

00:12:25 If it wasn't for, that's such a great point,

00:12:27 because you cannot underestimate how big of a factor this is.

00:12:32 For the last 48 hours until really just now,

00:12:37 there's a couple other sources that are starting to pick it up.

00:12:39 But for about 48 hours,

00:12:41 the only place that you would have even heard about the story

00:12:45 that we're going to be talking about today

00:12:46 of a young white Ukrainian woman being stabbed in the neck to death

00:12:50 by a black man sitting behind her on the subway,

00:12:53 you would not have even known,

00:12:55 I would not have even known this story existed

00:12:57 if it had not been for X.

00:12:59 So now think about all the years

00:13:01 before Elon bought X

00:13:03 and before, what's his name,

00:13:06 the Facebook guy, Zuckerberg.

00:13:08 Before Zuckerberg started wakeboarding

00:13:11 with an American flag, right?

00:13:12 Before he pivoted on a dime

00:13:14 and all of a sudden became libertarian and based.

00:13:17 He's not, for the record.

00:13:18 He is not.

00:13:19 But before he went from being a terrible leftist to a normal leftist, you're talking about Zuckerberg at the height of his leftism.

00:13:33 And he even has come out and confessed that Facebook was in bed with the Biden administration and suppressing these things.

00:13:42 So think about every single major social media platform and then, of course, every legacy media outlet, CNN and all the rest.

00:13:51 These are stories that for years, arguably decades, we never heard of because we were lied to.

00:14:00 No one would touch it.

00:14:01 But now that everyone has a video camera in their pocket, the game has changed.

00:14:06 And because Elon bought X and will allow for people to post things that are true.

00:14:10 So you have the ability to capture it and a place to publicly post it.

00:14:16 And so then what are we seeing?

00:14:17 Well, what we're seeing is every day.

00:14:21 Well, that's crazy.

00:14:22 This happened actually on the 22nd of August.

00:14:24 So this happened then.

00:14:26 It was the image itself that came out and was actually publicly released.

00:14:29 The police department and the news, they didn't want to release the full video because it's so grisly.

00:14:33 And I'm not going to take the time to describe what happens.

00:14:36 You can surmise from the thumbnail.

00:14:37 You can go look it up on your own.

00:14:39 but it was basically the image of it coming out and being shared that even this story managed to

00:14:44 get at the recognition as in before there was something sensational something that go on social

00:14:48 media people would gasp to even look at and even imagine what it was like before that even came

00:14:53 out this was just oh no there's a stabbing in the subway whatever could be done about this this is

00:14:59 just the price of living in society these days it would have flown under the rug until again you get

00:15:04 images so shocking prior generations would not have tolerate this tolerated this but you get

00:15:08 images so shocking that people are like wait a second that's happening here in the united states

00:15:13 i was explaining it to my parents and they were like where where was this england wales no this

00:15:18 was in charlotte north carolina right okay um you you had a clip from paul david tripp are you ready

00:15:27 to share that because that's let's get into some of the how the evangelicals pulled into this in

00:15:31 the second segment but let's end this one with just talking about again how the news handled this

00:15:36 so there's tons of pressure over the weekend when is somebody going to say something about this when

00:15:39 are you going to cover it i mean george floyd right a career criminal a man who held a gun

00:15:44 to a pregnant woman's stomach compared to a 23 year old this woman uh irana is her name she's

00:15:50 in a ukrainian refugee and we can actually tell from the video people with ukrainian flags in

00:15:54 their bio suspiciously very silent do not care about ukrainians turns out as it turns out uh so

00:16:00 she's a 23 year old girl she's coming off shift from working at what looks to be a pizzeria joint 0.92

00:16:05 so this is a girl that's a productive member of society did nothing to aggregate most certainly

00:16:09 was not trying to pass off a fake 20 bill george floyd got a 40 000 gold casket but as far as

00:16:15 coverage for this it was nil and then look how they spun it when they actually did cover it so

00:16:20 one of the first outlets to cover it and it's gaining traction now on fox and others but was

00:16:23 axios this is the axios headline that you can see on your screen grizzly charlotte stabbing fuels

00:16:29 maga's crime message that's the takeaway right man all this crime this i mean this is a crime

00:16:37 that's unprompted my goodness this is terrible it's fueling maga's crime message this is terrible

00:16:42 why because a woman was stabbed to death no no it's terrible because um donald trump might try

00:16:48 to stop crime like this right he could send the national guard into charlotte yeah and they

00:16:52 continued in this story and again look at the spin the big picture the rising number of surveillance

00:16:57 cameras in public spaces we just talked about that including on charlotte's light rail has

00:17:01 become a big accelerant in these cases aka people can see what's going on and it's causing causing

00:17:07 sparks to fly this video is easily shared or leaked and can instantly pollinate across social

00:17:12 media a visual counterpoint to statistics showing crime decreases and so they're trying to bring in

00:17:17 this narrative hey crime is actually down even with uh pisco who's you were debating on tim pool

00:17:22 he was trying to make that argument no crime is down things are actually better and at the macro

00:17:27 picture there are ways to slice data we'll talk about slicing data in the second segment that

00:17:31 that's partially true sure at some metrics at some level in certain areas sure they may be going down

00:17:36 but but people were tuned to stories and it's a story like this of a 23 year old girl fleeing war

00:17:42 stabbed senselessly without aggravation without any interaction with this individual

00:17:46 that uh that that says so much more than any well well actually studies say that the crime rate has 0.88

00:17:52 decrease 17 percent we're looking right in front of us as white women stabbed by black men for no 0.89

00:17:59 purpose yep and bleed out and die in the subway forget the narrative as long as this is happening 0.97

00:18:04 in the united states in a red state albeit with north carolina a largely conservative state as

00:18:11 long as this is happening um crime is not where it needs to be and action needs to be taken

00:18:15 right anything else you want to share about the story before we go to our first commercial break

00:18:20 I think that's pretty much all to add to it. Great. Let's go to our first commercial break

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00:21:57 Alright, so we're going to talk about evangelical pastors 0.93

00:22:02 And how spineless and cowardly they have been for years and years and years now 0.73

00:22:07 But before we do, I wanted to read one more thing that I wrote

00:22:09 In relation to our topic today

00:22:11 I said, number one, here are some of the developments and some predictions

00:22:15 As I see them coming down the pike

00:22:17 All right, number one, social media, especially X, since Elon purchased it, is no longer suppressing

00:22:23 these plentiful stories the way that it once was, black on white crime. Number two, technology has

00:22:29 placed a video camera in everyone's pocket. Number three, in a very short time, you will see

00:22:35 conversations of segregation begin to arise, I believe, even among the mainstream. Number four,

00:22:42 the only alternative is for strict rule of law. What do I mean by that? Well, here's an option,

00:22:50 federalizing every major city in America, mass arrest. All right, here's another, maximum penalty

00:22:56 for every criminal. Here's another, public executions displayed on national television

00:23:03 for every murderer. In a nutshell, in conclusion, America must put the fear of God back into the

00:23:11 hearts of every thug or self-segregation will be the most moderate response that anyone could hope

00:23:19 for those are some of my predictions and then nathan if you could bring up one more tweet now

00:23:23 this is the table with statistics here okay um now one quick disclaimer uh depending on how you

00:23:32 bracket for age uh there are is a slight variance um in these numbers what men are there's more

00:23:39 older white men, essentially. And so if they were equalized for age, black women are a little less

00:23:44 violent towards the end of life. And so if they were equalized, the number would come out a little 1.00

00:23:48 bit lower. A little bit lower. If you did that for the United States. Yep. But it would still be

00:23:52 pretty close to these numbers. Exactly. And close enough to these numbers to support one of the

00:23:58 findings, which is astronomical. I mean, you really need to appreciate how incredible

00:24:08 this fact truly is. And the fact is this, that black women murder more than white men. 0.99

00:24:18 per 100 000 the murder rate for black female is 8.7 8.7 and for white male or it's 3.5 for white 0.98

00:24:30 men 5.8 for black women 5.8 murderers per 100 000 and 3.5 per 100 000 i'm looking at 5.2 and 8.7

00:24:40 where are you looking i'm looking down at the line that says all right there all right above

00:24:44 projected lifetime so 5.8 so not quite two times but what that's easily one and a half

00:24:50 right so easily yep so you're talking about um for every two white men who commit murder

00:24:58 at some point within their lifetime uh for every two white men who do that there are three black 0.96

00:25:04 women and this is not even bringing in abortion statistically black women are the most likely to

00:25:10 abort their baby versus white women or hispanic women right this is none of this is accounting

00:25:13 for abortion for black or for white or for hispanic or um but leaving abortion out of it

00:25:18 which is atrocious and would beef the numbers up substantially um and for the record that would add 0.96

00:25:24 millions of murders for white people namely white white women yeah um but again per capita it would 0.97

00:25:31 add more murders for black women than it would for white women that's a fairly well-known fact 0.98

00:25:37 that I believe in the last 50 years, 0.98

00:25:41 I believe it's 21 or 22 million black babies

00:25:45 have been aborted in the womb.

00:25:47 Close to one in four of Gen Z.

00:25:48 Gen Z would be millions more people

00:25:50 if not for the millions that have been aborted. 0.99

00:25:53 And in that number, not just black, 0.99

00:25:55 but all of Gen Z.

00:25:57 All of Gen Z, a quarter of a generation.

00:26:00 Think of that. 0.99

00:26:01 A quarter of a generation doesn't exist.

00:26:04 They were murdered in the womb. 1.00

00:26:06 People that could work,

00:26:07 people that could be productive people that would have children it could be someone who cures cancer

00:26:11 it could be the next you know the next martin lloyd jones and like who knows did you almost

00:26:15 say martin luther king no martin came out i was like martin lloyd jones there we go

00:26:22 um no i was not thinking of martin luther um hopefully not the next uh serial adulterer

00:26:28 you know who is a marxist and funded by jews to usher in the civil rights act which got us

00:26:34 precisely where we are today so hopefully not that um that's who martin luther you know martin 0.55

00:26:38 michael luther wasn't even his middle name martin michael king um but all that being said the point

00:26:43 is i mean this is this gives you the numbers so if again if you're just listening let's pull the

00:26:47 tweet up for those who are watching but if you're just listening um let me let me just go over um

00:26:52 uh for white males nathan if you can put it on this on the screen white males uh 3.5 and this is

00:27:00 per 100,000. How many commit murder per 100,000? So per 100,000 white men, 3.5. Per 100,000

00:27:11 Hispanic men, 11.9. Not great. Not great. Per 100,000 black men, 64.4. 64.4. So about almost

00:27:23 20 times higher for black men to white men. Now for females, for a white female, it's 0.7. So 1.00

00:27:34 0.7, less than one in 100,000 white women commit murder, right? Hispanic females now, 2.4. And 1.00

00:27:43 then black females, 5.8. And again, I'm comparing, this is what was just shocking for me, is white 0.99

00:27:50 men, 3.5 out of 100,000 white men commit murder in their lifetime, 5.8 black women out of 100,000

00:28:00 commit murder in their lifetime. Between one and a half to two X the number of white men. For the

00:28:06 source on this, this is from the FBI crime statistics. Now, something interesting that

00:28:10 has happened in the early 2010s, it was very easy to find multiples, for example, in New York City

00:28:14 of homicide, arrest rate, et cetera, broken down by race and broken down by victim. I have tried

00:28:19 though in the last five years and there's even people commenting on this video as far as reports

00:28:24 as far as categorization and as far as these crimes being available in the last five years

00:28:29 and even going back closer to 10 there's been intense effort to make it very very very very

00:28:34 difficult not to do these types of comparisons if you go to the fbi's website i've tried to pull

00:28:39 like the the blank data file from this very hard to get a hold of there's actually someone himself

00:28:43 that did all these different analyses and stratified i think it was based on event just

00:28:47 to be able to pull these numbers himself because there's a lot of law enforcement and like i said

00:28:51 like agencies crime enforcement they do not want these numbers come out because when they come out

00:28:56 that gives you a very hard choice about what you're going to do with society right as far

00:29:00 as what it comes from we've done an episode the gospel changes genetics we've talked about it more

00:29:03 recently so kind of like where does this come from why does this happen well when you worship

00:29:07 demons for thousands of years you tend to be a violent and old habits die people old habits die

00:29:12 hard so we've talked about why and that matters well and that's go see your previous work that's

00:29:16 the longer biological reasoning that we're trying to root not in not in darwin but in scripture

00:29:22 but then there also is the immediate explanations for behavior which would be lack of accountability

00:29:29 lack of uh you know police actually enforcing the law lack of parents in the home there's all

00:29:34 all those things of course too yep so you're kind of short term but then even in the case of uh it

00:29:39 was uh the in frisco uh that kid grew up in a two-parent home right so then people say well

00:29:44 you see the statistics do you not see anthony yep carmel anthony do you not see some of the

00:29:48 the underlying factors we've addressed them on a previous episode but just understanding we know

00:29:52 the short term but also longer term things that have brought this to be to what it is right now

00:29:57 it's both um it's like it's like well it's just culture yeah black culture in the united states

00:30:02 is not great right there are some black people that have um a great family and love the lord

00:30:09 but we're saying again we're speaking in generalities as group collectives as a group 0.89

00:30:14 collectively black culture in the united states is terrible but it's not just culture and i think

00:30:22 that's what conservatives have done for decades now right i mean most of them have pretended

00:30:26 there's no distinction at all but if there is you know even for the few who are starting to you know

00:30:31 get to the point where they can't not admit it right because it's right in front of everybody's 0.98

00:30:35 eyes they're like okay so yeah fine we admit you know uh black people tend to uh tend to murder a 0.99

00:30:40 little bit more you know than white people and i guess we've got to acknowledge that but are we 0.99

00:30:44 going to account for it well it's uh it's just culture it's just culture and we say uh culture

00:30:49 is a part of it absolutely so we're not we're not minimizing that uh but we're saying no it's it's

00:30:54 more than just culture because you have to then ask the question well where did this culture come

00:31:00 from right you know where did hip-hop come from well jews of course but beyond just that you can't

00:31:05 blame everything on the jews there's a decent amount that you actually can but besides just

00:31:09 you know hip-hop and the music and the sagging pants you know and all these kinds of things and 0.87

00:31:12 fatherless homes um you know people you know they'll put a lot on fdr they'll put a lot on

00:31:17 the welfare state okay but you have to look at that and say okay so the welfare state has crushed

00:31:22 the black community disproportionately but there are white people on welfare yep and white people

00:31:30 on welfare have had negative effects as well but not the same not the same so you can't just

00:31:35 isolate it to one thing and just say well it's um it's policies it's welfare well if welfare is

00:31:42 that damaging and i think welfare is damaging for the record i'd like to abolish the welfare state

00:31:47 But if it's damaging across the board, how come it's had more negative effects on one group of

00:31:55 people than another, right? And if it's just fatherless homes, right? Well, fatherlessness

00:32:01 is massive. It's hard to even begin to account for all the negative effects that come from a child

00:32:07 growing up without their dad in the home. But that's not the only factor. And so we have to

00:32:13 be honest and say, yes, it's family, it's music, it's culture, it's policies. And also, people are

00:32:21 different. Peoples are different. People, individuals, but also peoples collectively. 1.00

00:32:28 And then the question is, in accounting for that, can we account for that in a way that is

00:32:33 responsible, in a way that's not completely unhinged and filled with malice and rage?

00:32:40 and, most importantly, a way that is faithful to Scripture

00:32:45 and a way that doesn't deny the Scripture

00:32:48 but actually embraces the Scripture.

00:32:50 And we feel like we have done that.

00:32:52 We've done it multiple times.

00:32:53 And again, we would reference probably the clearest episode

00:32:56 where we lined that out is The Gospel Changes Genetics,

00:33:00 I believe is the title of that episode.

00:33:02 All right, so now we want to talk about evangelical pastors.

00:33:05 I'll add one caveat to that, too, that your system,

00:33:08 so being tough on crime this individual draymond brown jr who stabbed this woman to death the

00:33:13 murderer he had 14 prior convictions for armed robbery larceny felony convictions and the judge

00:33:21 was lax on sentencing and so you see a lot of attempts to be like we need more policing

00:33:26 i don't have the individual one there's going to be a couple was it a woman i think in one

00:33:31 it was multiple judges okay but think about that 14 prior convictions for

00:33:38 including violent crimes. Armed robbery. This is not a guy that's like, he just needs community

00:33:43 programs and mental health. No, he really needs a short rope and a tall tree is what he needs.

00:33:50 That said, you're seeing this phrase. It's just like an oxymoron. It's ironic. But one of the

00:33:57 phrases that I'm seeing, referencing this man who murdered this woman online right now is,

00:34:02 he was a career criminal there should be no such thing as a career criminal if you are a criminal

00:34:10 then you should not go free to commit crime again much less to commit it so many times so 0.55

00:34:18 consistently that it would make sense to title you a career criminal that is insane that our

00:34:25 country allows for the freedom of criminals to the point to the degree that you could actually make

00:34:32 crime a career right and you're not implying there all right shoplifting death penalty breaking and

00:34:39 entering but say for example breaking and entering you're caught you are convicted you did it clear

00:34:44 as day and you are beaten as the old testament prescribes in the public square so we're not

00:34:49 talking about jail we're not talking about probation you receive a very very painful experience

00:34:54 Well, if there was any hope that Draymond Brown Jr. would deviate from this path, that's honestly one of the only things that I can think of.

00:35:01 That experience was so terrible, I don't care if I'm working at McDonald's night shift, I am going to be a productive member of society that does not have to steal because I never want to repeat that again.

00:35:11 So we're not talking about, there was one city in ancient Greece, and it was literally like death penalty for everything.

00:35:16 So we're not even talking about some type of brutal society like that.

00:35:18 We're talking about biblical punishments that would deter as people at the lower levels to, I don't know, sometime before they stab someone from behind in the neck that has done nothing to them.

00:35:29 They have been so severely reprimanded that they have either the state, it's clear, the state has to say, nope, you're out of here.

00:35:35 Or they said, you know what?

00:35:37 I'm never repeating that experience and I'm going to be productive.

00:35:40 Right.

00:35:41 And then also, biblically, there is a clear principle for repeat offenders.

00:35:47 So the Bible is pretty clear that not all sin is equal.

00:35:50 That's a misnomer.

00:35:51 That's not true.

00:35:52 So there are degrees of crimes, and there are appropriate degrees of punishment that

00:35:57 are proportional to the crime, right?

00:35:59 That's, I mean, well, where's that in the Bible?

00:36:01 Well, here's an example, eye for an eye, right?

00:36:05 Tooth for a tooth, limb for limb, life for life, right?

00:36:09 So the Bible talks about justice being impartial, right?

00:36:12 So it's objective.

00:36:14 It's swift, right?

00:36:15 not delayed. When justice is delayed, it incentivizes others to do wrong. So it's swift,

00:36:23 it's impartial, but it's also proportional. However, there is a biblical principle for

00:36:31 even if it's a more minor crime, for a repeat offender who does that minor crime and receives

00:36:37 a proportional punishment, but then still the punishment doesn't dissuade him and he does it

00:36:43 again and again and again and again, then eventually, even though it's the same crime,

00:36:48 the punishment actually increases. And so biblically speaking, you could commit a lesser

00:36:54 crime, but by being a repeat offender, it can get all the way to the death penalty. One example that

00:37:01 I think of is in the case of a, and this is not a toddler, this is not a two-year-old, but a grown

00:37:07 man um being rebellious towards his parents and now we know it's speaking of a grown child and

00:37:15 not a child who's still young and in the home because um in the same context deuteronomy

00:37:21 references this grown child uh being a glutton and a drunkard right so i don't think it's talking

00:37:29 about you know you know the four-year-old who's a drunkard right so this is this is a man who is

00:37:34 grown, but his parents, they're elderly now, but they're still alive. And he is a continual,

00:37:42 incessant, repeat offender in terms of bringing shame upon his parents and rebelling against his

00:37:50 parents in public ways that is bringing humiliation upon his family. And Deuteronomy says,

00:37:57 in such a case, right? So it's not a man who gets drunk is put to death. The Bible doesn't say that.

00:38:03 drunkenness is a sin. Public drunkenness that causes you to do sort of thing can elevate to

00:38:08 the level of a crime. But even in that instance, it is not a capital crime receiving capital

00:38:15 punishment. But pretty much all crimes, biblically speaking, can become capital crimes if they're

00:38:22 repeated without any inhibition enough times. And so the idea, again, of a career criminal,

00:38:31 We might say, well, you know, the first time it's that this guy, you know, got in an altercation and fought someone and punched him in the face and, you know, they pressed charges.

00:38:41 All right.

00:38:41 Well, that's bad.

00:38:43 But that's not death penalty.

00:38:45 Right.

00:38:46 Meriting.

00:38:47 But the big thing with this guy is there were 13 or 14 prior arrests.

00:38:54 14.

00:38:55 Biblically speaking, you don't get to 14.

00:38:57 You don't get to throw a Coke bottle out of your car window 14 times and live to tell about it.

00:39:05 Biblically speaking, no matter how low that crime is on the totem pole, if it's repeated that many

00:39:11 times, then what you're dealing with is a man who will not be rehabilitated. And when that's the

00:39:18 case, in terms of biblical principles, you don't take a man who refuses to be rehabilitated and

00:39:25 punish everyone else, a.k.a. here's three meals a day, here's room and board, here's an hour a day

00:39:31 in the yard to do some exercise and weightlifting. No, no, no. You don't punish everybody else

00:39:36 by making them pay more money in taxes for such a guy to keep him in a cage. No, if a guy can't

00:39:43 be rehabilitated, biblically speaking, he doesn't go to lifelong prison, which is a punishment on

00:39:49 society through taxes, but rather he actually receives capital punishment. He receives the

00:39:54 death penalty. All right. Let's get into it. We've teased it out enough, but one of the big 1.00

00:40:01 narratives, and this was even before 2020, because you had wokeness brewing for a good while

00:40:06 before that, at least five, six, seven, eight years prior. And there was different individuals

00:40:11 that were pushing it. And a big narrative was undue policing of black neighborhoods. And so

00:40:16 they insisted, all right, white Christians, there are black Christians here in your fellowship.

00:40:21 They're here in your church. They're here in their community. And they've had an experience

00:40:24 that you haven't had, and because they've had this experience, because they're under duress from the

00:40:28 police, you need to sit down and listen. They've gone through something you haven't gone through.

00:40:32 They've had to tell their children things you haven't had to tell your children, and you need

00:40:36 to sit down. You need to shut up. You need to read the books. You need to educate yourself so that 0.99

00:40:41 you can empathize with them. You can agree with them. You can share in their struggle, and I'm

00:40:46 going to share a clip from a very famous pastor, Paul David Tripp. He's written a number of books.

00:40:50 shepherding a child's heart was that him yep paul david tripp so uh author he booked a book

00:40:55 on parenting book on marriage i mean this is the quintessential gospel guy and when yeah george

00:40:59 floyd not just gospel this is the gospelly gospel gospel gospel centered centered gospel gospel

00:41:05 guy this is i mean so gospel how slow he talks i mean just sit down get your popcorn we're gonna

00:41:10 have about two hours here to just get out this little bit that he says no but i mean this is

00:41:13 this is your quintessential reformed gospel guy and when george floyd happened listen to how he

00:41:17 sat down and began to explain what Christians have to do, what they should be thinking about,

00:41:22 what they should be asking, and beginning to put a kind of moral weights upon them.

00:41:26 As I was thinking of this video, I thought of a second experience.

00:41:34 Several years ago, Llewellyn and I began to attend Epiphany Fellowship Church.

00:41:42 it's a largely african-american church i would imagine that there are 75 or 80 percent of the

00:41:52 congregation is populated by our black brothers and sisters uh epiphany will always be a bit of

00:42:00 multicultural church but is a predominantly black church it has been a transforming experience

00:42:11 for us because we have listened to the experiences of brothers and sisters that we have come to love

00:42:22 dearly. This is our family. And we have heard things way outside of our personal field of

00:42:34 experience we've heard of moms and dads who've had to have conversations with their sons and

00:42:45 daughters that we never had to have with our children that video comes across like a hostage

00:42:53 video you've got eric mason behind the camera yeah you had better the whole time i'm listening

00:42:58 i'm thinking leonce crump eric mason brandon washington these guys are probably just barely

00:43:03 outside of the frame, holding a gun to Paul David Tripp's head and making him repeat the line.

00:43:09 Unfortunately, that was actually probably pretty voluntary. But again, these were the pastors that

00:43:13 were telling you, they have to have the talk, you have it better. But the truth is that you alluded

00:43:18 the exact opposite. The truth is the exact opposite. And that's what makes me so...

00:43:22 And you do have to have a talk about it. So there is a talk, but not the one they're espousing.

00:43:27 Correct. There is a talk and parents do need to have it, but it's the exact opposite of what

00:43:32 we were told for years and years and years and that makes me frustrated because it is it's not 0.80

00:43:37 just ignorance it really is deceitful i think it's wicked um the kosher right and i think that's the

00:43:43 best label that i could come up with you know it's it's the israel worshiping you know allegedly 0.81

00:43:49 you know conservative really more so neocon i think you know ben shapiro think james lindsey

00:43:55 think you know that that kind of crew um the kosher right uh wants you to think that you know

00:44:00 wokeness is all the same, just two sides of the same coin, right? They're both wrong. They're

00:44:06 both immoral. They're both unbiblical and equally so just in opposite directions, right? And that's 0.83

00:44:12 what they would say. But that's not true. The problem with wokeness, real wokeness, right?

00:44:19 Woke left is the only kind of woke there is. That's what wokeness is. It's leftism. And that

00:44:25 wokeness that we all experienced in 2000 you know from i would say at least in my experience all the

00:44:31 way from 2013 up until 2022 23 24 um that wokeness that what made it so sinister um was not that it

00:44:42 that it talked about race it is okay and permissible to talk about race it's that it talked about race

00:44:49 deceitfully it blatantly lied it said there's there is a a racial massacre in the united states

00:44:57 of america in 2020 currently you know going on targeting the black community and it was

00:45:06 it was immoral because it was false it was blatantly false however you know and they'll say 0.51

00:45:14 well here you are you're saying that uh well black parents shouldn't have the talk with their kids

00:45:19 and just for the record i'm going to come back to this i think black parents absolutely need to have 0.92

00:45:24 several talks with their black children um but not the talk of police are out to get you 0.90

00:45:29 and you better watch out but the talk of um statistically speaking most of the other black 1.00

00:45:37 children your age are reprobates and misbehaved and rebellious towards authority including police 0.99

00:45:46 and you better not be one of them like there is a talk and you better be careful around them 0.99

00:45:52 because black on black violence as high as it is black on white black on black is correct just as 0.97

00:45:57 high if not higher and i want to get to that uh nathan i think it was ashana howell h-o-w-e-l-l

00:46:04 in the comments if you could go and find that because i want to read this they have um a comment

00:46:08 that i disagree with but i'll give her the benefit of the doubt here i think she's just probably

00:46:13 missing our point but uh real quick with what west said in terms of black on white and black

00:46:18 on black um she i think is is misunderstanding what we're trying to communicate here she said

00:46:23 well where's the evidence and speaking of this latest instance that we addressed at the top of

00:46:27 the show where's the evidence of racism though uh you can't just assume that the attacker was racist

00:46:33 in the same way uh black people shouldn't assume that all police brutality um cases are because

00:46:40 of racism and i would agree i i completely agree in this one incidence i i don't know maybe it was

00:46:45 racial racially motivated maybe it wasn't that's not our point uh the point of our episode is not 0.98

00:46:51 that um that all these black murderers are racist our point is they just kill people 0.97

00:46:58 at an incredibly complicated calculus yeah so so we're not saying oh the problem here is that all 1.00

00:47:05 these black guys are racist against white people some of them absolutely are absolutely but that's 0.51

00:47:11 not the point the main point that we're making is simply that when it comes to the raw statistics 1.00

00:47:19 the facts whether it's black on white crime or black on hispanic crime or black on black crime

00:47:25 any way you slice it there's just exponentially more crime specifically violent crime and murder

00:47:33 And so when we say, you know, white parents, if you're a Christian white parent who loves the Lord and loves your children, that you need to have the talk.

00:47:42 The talk that we're referencing is the talk that takes your children according to their maturity at the proper time, the appropriate time, and says, there are certain parts of town that you cannot go.

00:47:55 And there are certain people that you cannot be around. 0.63

00:47:59 you know right uh if there's someone who who is black in our church and and they've been in our

00:48:06 church and we know them and they love the lord jesus christ great we're not talking about that

00:48:12 person but we're talking about when you go into a crowd of people if you go into a crowd of strangers

00:48:17 and they're white strangers there's some danger if they're black strangers there is 30 times 0.90

00:48:25 more danger. Them's the facts. And it is actually a failure of your parental duty. 0.99

00:48:33 White parents, please hear me. If you teach your children growing up, if you lie to them 1.00

00:48:39 and say all people and all races of people in our country are the same, they are not.

00:48:48 you are actually depriving your child of factual, truthful information that could

00:48:54 save their life. They actually should have a situational awareness. As a young teenager and

00:49:02 later on in life, as a young adult, a situational awareness. They should know that in certain parts

00:49:08 of town and in certain contexts and certain times of day, the evening, nighttime, that all strangers 1.00

00:49:16 represent some degree of threat but a group of black men 1.00

00:49:22 represents a much greater threat and that is somewhere where if you're if you're black yourself 1.00

00:49:31 and there's a group of black men men and it's nighttime and you're black you don't need to go 0.95

00:49:36 over there if you're white a white man you really don't need to go over there and if you're a white 0.93

00:49:41 woman you really really really don't need to go i'll take another level and say this applies for 1.00

00:49:46 also husbands with their wives women can have a tendency they don't think in those categories

00:49:50 i don't think about who could be a threat what could happen i've been on public transit like

00:49:53 that i would never be sitting with my back to someone i would probably have my back against

00:49:57 the wall so you're telling your wife hey if you you see especially a black man and he seems to 0.99

00:50:02 be following you get to your car as fast as possible call me i don't want you being around 0.99

00:50:06 this type of public transportation hey i know you'd like to pick this up or visit this person

00:50:10 they live in this part of town i'm just not allowing you to go to that is a wise prudent

00:50:15 thing right loving to tell your wife and if you are in in the city if she does take public transit

00:50:20 hey dear i bought you a car it was two thousand dollars i'd like you to drive this like why can't

00:50:26 we get americans to take public transit europe does it well uh there's a reason and it doesn't

00:50:30 have to do with the timing it doesn't have to do with the cost it's dangerous that's right yep and

00:50:36 this also uh would apply to your children as they reach young adulthood and they're thinking about

00:50:40 where to start a family and where to live right that you have those conversations you talk to

00:50:44 your son you talk to your daughter and you say hey uh you know they come to your dad i got a job

00:50:50 offer i'm really excited about it does require me to you know to uh transfer and move and it's like

00:50:56 oh you're you're moving to um to salt lake city great oh you're moving to atlanta no yeah please

00:51:06 sweetheart do not do that well why dad um because there are two different kinds of people that live

00:51:14 in atlanta and salt lake city and one poses again objective objectively at a factual level

00:51:23 statistically speaking a far not we're not talking about if if and i just want to make this point

00:51:29 real quick if if we were saying you know uh with with one demographic there are you know 10 people

00:51:35 who commit murder out of 100,000

00:51:37 and the other 12.

00:51:41 Okay, well, now it seems like

00:51:44 to do a whole episode on that,

00:51:45 a whole episode,

00:51:46 it seems like you're just kind of picking on somebody.

00:51:48 It's like, oh, well, maybe you guys 0.99

00:51:49 just really just hate black people, you know? 0.99

00:51:52 But that's not what we're talking about. 0.99

00:51:53 We're talking, again, pull up the numbers.

00:51:55 Here they are on the screen.

00:51:57 Here we go.

00:51:59 White male, 3.5 out of 100,000

00:52:03 committing murder in their lifetime. 0.94

00:52:05 Black men, 64.4. So it's not 10 and 12. It's 3.5 and 64.4. That's the difference. We are talking 0.96

00:52:18 about a massive difference. We're not talking about, oh, well, there's a 10 to 15 or even 20%

00:52:24 increase. Nope. We're talking about a 2,000% increase of likelihood that one person would

00:52:33 commit murder and another person would commit murder and so that's a conversation as a parent

00:52:39 and especially as a christian parent that you need to have with your children and for the record just

00:52:46 to to cover the bases this is a conversation for any any black christians that are listening to

00:52:51 the show god bless you we're glad you're tuning in um you you absolutely need to have this 0.98

00:52:55 conversation also with your black children right you need to tell your black son um hey son i love 1.00

00:53:03 you and uh you do not need to be hanging out with a group of people who look like you at this time 0.99

00:53:12 of day why dad because the cops will come and give me no because they might get you and here

00:53:18 are the fbi statistics i hate to break it to you son it you know it's a it's a shame to dad and and

00:53:24 it's a shame to you uh well what are we going to do about it dad we're going to be wise we're not

00:53:30 going to be foolish. We're going to make sure that bad company doesn't corrupt good morals,

00:53:33 and we're going to take accountability for our family and for ourselves and our family first,

00:53:38 but then also in a broader sense for our people. And we're going to be willing to call this out

00:53:43 as black men. We're going to be willing to call this out and say, hey, get it together. 0.97

00:53:49 Get it together. This is a shame. This is a stain on our reputation. Get it together.

00:53:56 um that i i think that's respectable jason whitlock does a decent amount of that god bless

00:54:02 him as a black man he's like what the heck is wrong with my people yeah god bless him and there's

00:54:08 it's certainly permissible too to say these would these are my kinsmen these are the people i'm 0.99

00:54:12 related to for the safety of my family i'm going to live in a white part of town or to say no i

00:54:17 think god's called me here i run a church i run a ministry i have influence but you're thinking

00:54:22 categorically, I am consciously, I'm living in a more dangerous part of the city. I'm living in a

00:54:27 more dangerous part of the nation, and I'm doing it for the purpose of my kinsmen, to share the

00:54:33 gospel, to preach the gospel, disciple these young men. But of the two, that shouldn't be a decision

00:54:37 that just is made for you. If you're going to live there in that area and raise your children,

00:54:41 you should be aware. Lord, I'm a missionary. You feel cold. Every day. That's right. Protect me.

00:54:46 Protect us. Please. You've got bars in your windows. You're a Second Amendment respecting

00:54:50 citizen. Or you say, no, actually, in God's providence, I make $200,000 in tech. I got

00:54:56 hired in 2021. I am going to live 45 minutes outside of town. My family would be perfectly

00:55:00 safe there. In a gated community. In a gated community. With many cameras. God bless. Absolutely.

00:55:05 Okay, let's go to our last commercial break, and we'll be right back for some concluding thoughts.

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00:58:09 Okay, next one is Nick Bonner.

00:58:11 You want to read it?

00:58:12 All right.

00:58:12 Nick Bonner, $50.

00:58:14 You've heard of 30x multiples.

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00:58:17 $50.

00:58:18 A friend of mine dislikes how Joel blames these issues

00:58:21 on how non-white cultures are less Christianized.

00:58:24 He argues that the Romans and the Greeks were morally superior

00:58:27 prior to the time of Christ.

00:58:29 i disagree with him but would appreciate your thoughts i do not believe that the romans the

00:58:34 greeks were morally superior they were phenomenal in many many different regards but in terms of

00:58:40 moral superiority no the the greeks and the romans but especially the greeks were brutal

00:58:46 they built a society of law order philosophy art science all these incredible things on a pile of

00:58:54 skulls how did they achieve uh such um such a high trust society one might ask well there was a point

00:59:02 where certain cities it was any crime was the death penalty yeah like think about that there

00:59:07 was no gradation there was no prison shoplifting boom how did the greeks do it how you do it how

00:59:13 did the romans do it eugenics is actually the answer right eugenics actually works and it's 0.59

00:59:18 like well what eugenics they were sterilizing people uh well if they could have i think they

00:59:22 would have but um no what they were doing instead is just chopping off people's heads yeah um you 0.96

00:59:28 littered dead oh you're not particularly bright dead right you're impulsive yep dead uh so yes 0.93

00:59:36 uh can we look pre-christ in european context and say hey well there were you know uh and and this 0.85

00:59:44 is see this is what the pagan you know ethno-nationalists you know will say i i've run

00:59:49 into them a few times at this point and they hate me and they're like uh they're like christianity 0.52

00:59:54 is just a jewish psyop and i always like to respond by saying well rejecting christ is 0.57

00:59:58 actually the most jewish thing you can do um so no um but but what they'll say is they'll point

01:00:04 out the greeks and the romans they'll say look we had law and order and sophistication you know

01:00:08 all these kinds of things uh before you know pre uh christendom uh in the west because a lot of my

01:00:14 arguments and i make no apology for this because i believe it's absolutely true a lot of my argument

01:00:18 is that Europeans have been so prosperous

01:00:21 and so incredibly innovative

01:00:26 and developed as a civilization

01:00:28 because of Christianity. 0.98

01:00:30 And I'm not going to apologize for that

01:00:32 or change my view at all.

01:00:33 I believe that that's true.

01:00:35 However, I acknowledge that there were,

01:00:37 like Greeks and Romans, pre-Christ

01:00:40 that were still incredibly developed

01:00:43 in comparison with the rest of the world,

01:00:46 especially um the the parts of the world with people with darker skin um and that's that's

01:00:52 undeniable uh but the question is how see christianity found a way to build hospitals

01:00:57 to care for the disabled to prolong people's life even the weakest among us and still produce

01:01:05 rocket ships and art and philosophy and whereas the greeks and romans they could produce high

01:01:12 but but there was no charity there was no compassion there was no mercy it's like well

01:01:19 how did you do all this well they they did it in large part through um an unfeeling cruel uh manner

01:01:27 of life that uh that despised the weak and cut them off only christianity it's only when

01:01:34 christianity comes into the picture uh that that europe becomes both compassionate and still

01:01:40 innovative right it becomes merciful and strong only christianity um accomplish that and i would

01:01:47 say too with noah you have two sons you have japheth and you have ham and ham is is well canaan

01:01:53 but as a stand in for ham he goes south and he goes below this desert and ham already i mean this

01:02:01 is the guy i actually take the interpretation in uncovering noah's nakedness that it's not just

01:02:05 is simply a matter of Noah, his robe fell down,

01:02:08 but he actually slept with a family member.

01:02:10 And for the record, you get that,

01:02:12 I believe it's Leviticus or Numbers

01:02:13 that explicitly says it.

01:02:14 It uses that same terminology.

01:02:15 You shall not uncover your father's nakedness.

01:02:17 And it's talking about you shall not sleep 0.89

01:02:20 with your father's wife.

01:02:20 So the Bible is being very reserved

01:02:22 and just not gratuitous.

01:02:24 So it's saying Ham commits this terrible sexual sin.

01:02:27 So we can see there, Ham is impulsive.

01:02:29 This is a trait that probably passes down to his sons. 0.74

01:02:31 He's an impulsive, greedy man. 0.74

01:02:33 He goes south.

01:02:34 Well, then Noah's other sons appear to be good, godly men.

01:02:36 Japheth is blessed.

01:02:38 Japheth goes north.

01:02:39 It's very likely that for thousands of years post-Noah, Japheth maintained a monotheistic

01:02:44 true religion.

01:02:46 Learning from Noah, he knew that there was one God, that God required sacrifice, that

01:02:50 God had a moral standard, and he should teach his children that.

01:02:53 And so for generation to generation after generation, by about 1,500 years, I think

01:02:57 true worship continued, a type of pre-Christ true worship in Europe.

01:03:02 whereas ham goes down he's already an impulsive wicked person and what has he developed down

01:03:07 there a terrible they worship demons they communiate with demons they're not interested 0.71

01:03:12 in building any type of society polygamy being a big part of it also so i agree with i i agree

01:03:19 with you 100 percent uh one thing that just for um for the the contrarian uh because you know

01:03:25 people have have you know the three sons of no one this kind of it's come up a few times uh on

01:03:30 social media and in the reformed podcast world and so for some of those guys are like well this is

01:03:37 uh why are you deliberately being a wolf in twisting scripture because it says curse be

01:03:42 canaan not him so a couple things on that real quick um there this is not a matter of heresy

01:03:48 it's a matter of exegesis now that doesn't mean that everybody's right right we're not relativists

01:03:52 somebody's still wrong um but you're not talking about heresy you're talking about exegesis all

01:03:56 So the question is, is Canaan, because that is what Noah says.

01:04:00 He doesn't say curse be Ham, he says curse be Canaan.

01:04:04 There's others, but two primary ways of interpreting that. 0.79

01:04:07 Why does Noah say curse be Canaan when Ham's the one who uncovered his nakedness, 0.64

01:04:11 his father's nakedness? 0.78

01:04:13 Well, one explanation is because the curse was going to be exclusively limited 0.57

01:04:20 to Noah's grandson and not Ham, so that Ham's other children, 0.76

01:04:24 Noah's other grandchildren, would not be cursed, but only Canaan would be cursed, an exclusive 0.85

01:04:29 curse to Canaan. And that's why he curses Canaan. The other explanation is that Noah, in his wrath

01:04:37 and a righteous indignation, is not willing to even name his son, who has just done something

01:04:43 so terrible, and that Ham would be generally cursed, him and all of his children, so all of

01:04:49 Noah's descendants through Ham, his grandchildren, but that Canaan would be particularly cursed. And 0.88

01:04:54 we know that that played out right because the canaanites were wiped out uh by joshua by divine

01:05:00 order you go up there man woman child man woman yeah so that i mean not one of god's words ever

01:05:07 ever drops to the ground right his word never returns void and the curse of canaan did not

01:05:12 return void um god eventually raised up his people to wipe out man woman and children and beast i

01:05:18 mean pretty pretty intense so canaan definitely uh the curse definitely came to pass so the question

01:05:23 is it exclusive curse to Canaan, or is it a general curse to Ham with a particular application

01:05:30 to Canaan, right? Now, that's a matter of exegesis. That is not a matter of heresy.

01:05:37 No, the reason you think it's heresy is because your religion is liberalism. That's why you think

01:05:42 it's heresy. See, the reason why people jump to heresy right there is because for them, anything

01:05:49 that even sniffs as the potential of racism would be heresy, right? Because their orthodoxy is not

01:05:57 historic Christianity, and it's not the Bible. Their orthodoxy is liberalism, okay? So number

01:06:04 one, it's not heresy. Number two, let's just play it out. Let's play the devil's advocate,

01:06:09 all right? Let's say that it is an exclusive curse to Canaan, and that Ham, who did this terrible 0.99

01:06:14 deed, is not cursed at all, and his other children, Canaan's brothers and sisters, are not cursed at

01:06:19 all, and so all the line of Ham that goes through Canaan's brothers and sisters has no curse

01:06:24 whatsoever. Here's what we can say at minimum. If all of Ham's other descendants, except for Canaan,

01:06:31 were not cursed, what we know from the text is that although they may not be cursed, they certainly

01:06:37 were not blessed, right? That would be my argument. So maybe not particularly cursed, but certainly not

01:06:44 particularly blessed in the way that Japheth was. Now, I go further, and Wes and I have had 0.99

01:06:50 conversations, and we don't agree entirely, but I'll state my opinion here. I believe that in

01:06:55 the finished work of Christ, his life, death, resurrection, and ascension, that he comes to

01:06:59 make his blessings flow as far as the curse is found. So I think that there was a curse, because

01:07:04 the Bible says so, and I believe the Bible, every word of it, whether it offends my modern

01:07:08 sensibilities or not, let God be true, and every man a liar. So there was a curse, and I believe 0.75

01:07:15 that the curse lasted, but I believe that Christ has broken the curse, the curse of all sin,

01:07:24 including that sin. However, even if that's the case, even if I'm right about that, and maybe I'm

01:07:29 wrong, but I think I'm right, like shocker, the opinions that I hold, here's a shocking statement,

01:07:34 the things that I think, I think them because I think they're right. Crazy, huh? Me and everybody

01:07:39 else on the planet, that's why everybody thinks what they think, because they think they're just

01:07:43 right. So I think the curse is broken. But what you're looking at, though, even in that scenario,

01:07:48 is, so playing the devil's advocate, let's say Ham is not cursed. It's just Canaan. Not particularly

01:07:54 Canaan, but exclusively Canaan. So Ham and his other descendants, other children, are not cursed,

01:07:58 but they are absent of a special blessing japheth is given a blessing shim is given a lesser 0.72

01:08:06 blessing and ham is given no blessing so if we say it's not a curse well there's also not a blessing

01:08:11 and um the the the playing field would not be leveled for centuries and centuries and centuries

01:08:19 well over a thousand years until the finished work of christ and then for those descendants

01:08:25 of ham not only did christ uh uh work not not complete until only 2 000 years ago but the news

01:08:33 of christ completed work did not even reach certain parts of sub-saharan africa until um in some

01:08:40 places depending on the place uh even just 200 years ago which means even though christ came

01:08:46 and accomplished this glorious thing there's a lot of people in certain places in the world

01:08:50 Sub-Saharan Africa being one of them that did not hear about Jesus until 200 years ago. So there's

01:08:57 a massive deficit. And then when you think of, well, what would the implications, practical and

01:09:02 even physical, tangible implications of that deficit be? Well, what physical effects would

01:09:10 there be to worshiping demons instead of God? Well, that's just a spiritual thing. That's not

01:09:16 physical. Okay, let's look at every major religion, including Christianity, around the world. Do these

01:09:23 religions say anything about diet, dietary restrictions, what you should eat and what you

01:09:28 should not eat? Well, does diet affect someone physically? Does it have a physical effect? And

01:09:35 not just in one lifetime, but if there are certain dietary restrictions for the people who follow

01:09:40 that religion and that religious text, and they follow it not just with one generation, but 30,

01:09:45 40, 50 subsequent generations for centuries, even arguably a thousand years, would that affect

01:09:51 lifespans? Would it affect strength? Would it affect longevity and perhaps even intelligence

01:09:57 and IQ? I think it would. All right, let's also throw into the mix monogamy versus polygamy,

01:10:02 right? Let's throw into the mix sober-mindedness as a virtue versus worshiping demon gods with

01:10:07 peyote, you know, with substance abuse, all right? Also, Christians in Christendom, they're the ones, 0.79

01:10:13 because of the Christian worldview, who discovered and invented and developed sanitation systems. The

01:10:19 sewer system was developed by Christians. So we're talking about sanitation. We're talking about 1.00

01:10:25 dietary restrictions. We're talking about safe sex in the covenant of monogamous marriage. We're

01:10:32 talking about sober-mindedness and avoiding substance abuse. And most importantly, we're

01:10:36 talking about the worship of the triune God. And not just for 15 minutes, and not just in one

01:10:41 lifetime, but for 30, 40, 50 subsequent generations over the course of a millennium.

01:10:47 Would that have a physical effect on people? Of course it would. So if Japheth and his descendants

01:10:54 already had a head start because of being particularly blessed, even if Ham and his

01:10:59 descendants weren't particularly cursed, but they did not have the presence of a curse,

01:11:03 but they did have the absence of a blessing. And then they went to a place where the gospel

01:11:11 did not even reach until 200 years ago. And the gospel and the Christian worldview doesn't just

01:11:18 speak to heavenly ends, but also earthly good, practical things like dietary restriction and

01:11:24 who to marry and all these things. Would there be a physical difference? Yes, it would. Is that

01:11:30 racism? Is that immoral? No, it's not. No, it's not. Yeah. Just even to give a final wrap-up answer

01:11:38 to Nick, what his friend sounds like, well, I don't like this rooting it in culture. Because

01:11:42 you can do this thing where culture is surface level. So there are atheistic countries. Think

01:11:46 of Scandinavia. They're majority atheists. I would rather live in Scandinavia than Guatemala,

01:11:51 than Liberia. So there's a way of speaking about culture where it's just like, well, if it's

01:11:55 Christian, I don't care what the people are. I don't care what the past is. I would just rather 0.85

01:11:59 live in a Christian culture. Now we're saying 1.00

01:12:01 culture still matters, but go back

01:12:03 2,000 years. So like, well, the Greeks 1.00

01:12:05 and the Romans were blessed. Well, Noah

01:12:07 literally promised, may God enlarge Japheth. 1.00

01:12:09 May he dwell in the tents of Shem. So I 1.00

01:12:11 root that in. God fulfilled his promise

01:12:13 to Noah's son, who worshipped him,

01:12:15 who went northward and built society.

01:12:17 And in time, worship degraded,

01:12:19 and then Christ came, and

01:12:21 then they were the first ones, the gospel came to them.

01:12:23 Europe is converted by 800.

01:12:25 So God's blessing continued through.

01:12:27 Behold the kindness,

01:12:29 And then that's the severity of God.

01:12:30 Exactly.

01:12:31 That's where I've landed is just these people,

01:12:33 well, how do you explain the Greeks and the Romans pre-Christ

01:12:35 and their superior development and blah, blah, blah, blah. 0.97

01:12:38 One, cruelty.

01:12:39 But then number two, 1.00

01:12:41 I do think that these are the descendants of Japheth 0.90

01:12:44 and that by the time you get to the Greeks and the Romans, 0.92

01:12:47 their worship had been perverted.

01:12:49 Absolutely.

01:12:50 But for a long time, I think it had been pure

01:12:53 before it degraded.

01:12:55 Aristotle's still relatively monotheistic even back then.

01:12:58 yep so i think that's how you explain it and if you're talking about today uh well what what can

01:13:03 happen today well i've said it several times i'll say it again i'm not a race essentialist um i i

01:13:08 don't think that it's the most important factor or the only uh factor i don't care if you're pagan

01:13:13 if you're white you can be my neighbor right people who say that rather no no i don't want

01:13:17 a pagan neighbor even if he's white so no we are not race essentialist um but we do think that race 0.74

01:13:22 is real race realist if that's the term you want to use um yeah but race essentialist no

01:13:28 and then in terms of racial determinism i'll speak for myself um i do think that the deck

01:13:33 can shuffle in the province of god but slowly not in 15 minutes not uh haitians being converted

01:13:42 and and then being imported you know to the western world and then all of a sudden you know 0.62

01:13:48 uh the haitians are building rocket ships uh no because that's not the way that the europeans

01:13:54 built rocket ships right uh that doesn't happen you know quickly for any people um the gospel

01:14:02 right that the little bit of leaven working through the whole batch of dough or the mustard

01:14:06 seed growing to the tree takes time so i actually do i'm not a race essentialist um it's not the

01:14:12 most important thing it is a thing it is real and christians should acknowledge it uh because we

01:14:17 live in god's natural world we should you may not see race but based on the statistics we shared

01:14:21 Race sees you.

01:14:22 Race sees you.

01:14:23 You may not like it, but it is a very, very real thing.

01:14:25 Correct.

01:14:26 Right.

01:14:26 So not a race essentialist.

01:14:28 And I am also, me personally, I am not a racial determinist.

01:14:32 So I don't think race is paramount, although it matters.

01:14:36 It's not first and foremost or only.

01:14:39 Not a race essentialist.

01:14:40 Also not a racial determinist, meaning that I don't think that it's fatalistic,

01:14:44 that it's set in the stars.

01:14:46 I do think that God, if he chooses, he may not though.

01:14:49 And if not, then that should be fine.

01:14:53 We should be fine with that.

01:14:54 But I do think that if it is God's prerogative,

01:14:56 he could actually shuffle the deck 0.97

01:14:58 if white people continue to apostatize 0.97

01:15:02 against the Lord Jesus Christ, 0.98

01:15:04 not just for a little while,

01:15:06 but for centuries, for a long time. 0.99

01:15:09 And other peoples that are non-European,

01:15:13 they embrace the Lord Jesus Christ,

01:15:15 love the Lord Jesus Christ,

01:15:17 worship the Lord Jesus Christ,

01:15:18 and apply all of Christ to all of life,

01:15:20 again, not for 15 minutes,

01:15:22 but for centuries, for time,

01:15:25 then, yeah, I think that the deck could change.

01:15:30 So not a racial determinist,

01:15:32 not a race essentialist,

01:15:34 but a race realist.

01:15:37 And that right there,

01:15:38 I wouldn't be surprised if already,

01:15:40 as we're broadcasting this live,

01:15:42 if something in the last 15 minutes

01:15:44 of our conversation, Wes,

01:15:45 has not already been clipped out,

01:15:46 not not by um not by leftists no but by christians professing christians professing christians who

01:15:56 they they cannot stand what we're saying because to them it is blasphemy because it goes against

01:16:05 their god who is not the triune god but it is the god of liberalism and so they they they this will

01:16:13 be likely cut and spliced and posted and um they'll try to make it go viral and and look at

01:16:21 this he's the mask is now the mask is all the way off we've been yelling about joel ever since he

01:16:26 told his wife not to read a book you know and said he'd read it with her later um you know we we said

01:16:31 he was a wolf all the way back then you know years ago vindicated but now now this time we really

01:16:38 mean it. We really mean it this time. It literally is the boy that cried wolf. There are wolves in

01:16:44 the church. It's actually a really serious thing to call someone a wolf. And it's actually an

01:16:51 incredible disservice to the people of God to call someone a wolf haphazardly and to do it ad

01:16:58 nauseam again and again and again and again every single day on social media. Because here's the

01:17:03 thing people won't believe you and if that guy actually is a wolf right let's let's just say

01:17:10 that that you know somebody in our camp turned out that they really were a wolf they denied

01:17:14 orthodoxy um they denied orthodoxy well for some of these these guys who who have entire social

01:17:24 media pages just centered on on constantly attacking us it's actually a crying shame because

01:17:30 because most people wouldn't believe them because it's like well but you said he was a wolf um

01:17:36 all you know like three years ago when uh when he said that uh if he doesn't personally know

01:17:43 two doctors and he's looking for a health care plan and has to choose between two doctors that

01:17:48 are perfect strangers he does not personally know either of them and all he has to go on they work

01:17:53 at the same same hospital the same license and one is white and one is black he would pick the

01:17:58 white one because it was at the height of dei standards and you know statistically it is more

01:18:03 likely that the white guy did not get a free pass or a leg up than the black guy like i remember

01:18:08 when i remember that clip i was sitting across from you watching and i'm like he stepped in it

01:18:13 now i remember when i said that and i said just like i just did i i would choose and i did choose

01:18:19 this is an actual example i chose the white doctor over the black doctor because it was at the height

01:18:25 of DEI standards, I didn't know either of them. If the black doctor was a member of my church and

01:18:29 my friend, that's different. The whole thing's different. But the point was all things being 1.00

01:18:34 equal, all things being equal in a country and a culture saturated with anti-white discrimination,

01:18:42 especially at the time and still now, but especially at the time at the height,

01:18:46 the high watermark of wokeness. If all I have to go off of is there's two guys,

01:18:52 they both have the same degree from the same school working for the same company i'm going

01:18:56 to pick the guy who's white because it's less likely that he got a got a pass i remember these

01:19:03 these guys who hate us um they they raged i mean they were screeching it was like a hip hop atlanta

01:19:10 instagram page that pulled it and people were crashing out in the comments yep but not just

01:19:15 leftists but but professing christians raging and wailing into the void for for weeks on end

01:19:22 but my point in bringing all this up is um yeah that's why no one will listen to you right that 0.57

01:19:29 was a perfectly reasonable statement i remember virgil walker uh you know a black pastor who was

01:19:35 with g3 at the time he he privately reached out to me he was like yeah that's uh makes perfect

01:19:42 sentence there's nothing wrong with what you just said you know like like he got it you know and so

01:19:49 anyway so the point is um what we just said is i believe a very very very moderate reasonable

01:19:57 and biblically permissible view on race but people will lose their mind but all that said

01:20:05 the overton window is shifting fast and a time is quickly coming where many will uh they will be

01:20:16 saying give us wesley todd give us joel webbin those guys were reasonable those guys were moderate

01:20:22 they just wanted a system where prior convicted criminals right would be hung up not yep preemptive

01:20:29 right yeah i mean really at the end of the day what do we want we want crime to be punished and

01:20:34 we know that it will be um it will be disproportionate racially based but but we want it to be

01:20:40 criminals right there are more black criminals per capita but we want them to actually be 0.92

01:20:45 criminals not innocent people so we want crime to be strictly uh harshly punished um beyond that 0.98

01:20:53 publicly as a warning to all publicly as a warning to all um proportional justice for repeat offenders

01:21:00 that it quickly escalates in terms of the penalty. 0.99

01:21:03 In addition to that, we want white Christians

01:21:06 to be able to have these conversations

01:21:08 without being called racist,

01:21:09 and for white parents to inform their children

01:21:12 that not all people are the same,

01:21:14 that we love all people,

01:21:16 but not all people are the same.

01:21:18 And beyond that, I would like to see 0.77

01:21:21 the Civil Rights Act repealed,

01:21:23 and I would like there to be freedom of association,

01:21:26 not forced desegregation,

01:21:28 or forced segregation or forced desegregation not neither but um freedom of association i would

01:21:35 like to be able to go to an all-male gym we can't we legally can't even have that in our country

01:21:41 that's that's what the civil rights act gave us so freedom of association and uh and some people 0.97

01:21:46 may choose to say you know what i want to be over here and others will say no i i love it over here

01:21:51 um these are reasonable policies and then outside of race but speaking to foreigners

01:21:59 um i simply want just a a mere modest 100 million to go back just a small amount just a small and

01:22:07 that is a reasonable number so 100 million go back strict punishments for crime public punishments

01:22:12 that dismay others from committing that crime civil rights act repealed freedom of association

01:22:18 reinstated for those who choose

01:22:20 so that you can do either or both options

01:22:23 are available to you and

01:22:24 that's it. I'm telling you

01:22:26 give it six months

01:22:28 six months from now and people will be like

01:22:30 what a lib that Joel Abbott

01:22:33 if people don't like that

01:22:34 you're really not going to like the alternative

01:22:37 yeah exactly you keep

01:22:38 calling guys like us racist 0.98

01:22:40 keep it up

01:22:42 because you keep

01:22:44 doing that and

01:22:46 we won't get these kinds of

01:22:48 moderate solutions and and therefore we won't get any solutions and the problem will continue to

01:22:55 rise and build up and the anger will be pent up the rage more and more and more and then you will

01:23:01 actually get a solution you will get a solution it will be look at history it will be cruel that's 0.63

01:23:07 right it will be violent it'll be quick it will be a race we're against it will be a civil war

01:23:13 right it will be bloody and we i want to make it clear for our listeners and for youtube

01:23:18 we don't want that right we're not advocating for that we're saying there's an exit ramp

01:23:22 there's an force of the law that's right do justice that's right give a warning that we

01:23:27 there's a great exit ramp many of them here be around for they want to be around yep those kinds

01:23:31 of things simple things all right uh one more this is from johnny rudolph he gave us ten dollars

01:23:36 thanks johnny we appreciate it he said can you go back uh during the pre-recorded days and

01:23:42 answer the super chats that's a reasonable request that is oh it was okay what was it

01:23:50 all right so johnny uh randolph had one it was a hundred dollars super chat very generous we

01:23:58 appreciate it he said please help me understand your hate for israel and the jews all right it's

01:24:04 not a good start but we'll go on uh does it not say uh i think he's going to talk about scripture

01:24:09 here. Does the Bible not say, those who bless Israel will be blessed? No, it actually does not

01:24:15 say that. Great question. No. It seems to vary one way or the other, depending on the church you

01:24:23 attend. Could you explain how and why you feel that way for clarity? Okay, so first and foremost,

01:24:31 I don't hate Jews. Not all Jews in a universal sense, each and every single Jew.

01:24:37 um i you know i had a conversation with a friend the other day uh we were talking about well how

01:24:43 would you define anti-semitism joel is what he was asking me he's like you know like what what

01:24:48 do you you know if if you don't think um that that you fit the bill then uh how would you define

01:24:54 anti-semitism so first i would say i think that anti-semitism is a made-up word it's it's a

01:24:59 Marxist communist words to cruddle goyim into being subservient to Jews. So I don't really

01:25:08 like the word. But for the sake of humoring the question, let's say anti-Semitism, that it's

01:25:13 actually a thing. I can't do it. I can't. We're going to have to call it something. We'll have 0.56

01:25:19 to call it something else. We'll have to say a sinful hatred of Jews, okay? Sinful hatred of 1.00

01:25:25 Jews. Okay, so the question was from my friend, so what would constitute a sinful hatred of Jews? 0.70

01:25:31 And I answered it by saying this. I said, if it's universal and unjustifiable, so without cause,

01:25:42 without reason, and universal, right, not just per capita, but for every man, woman, and child 0.99

01:25:50 without discrimination, so I'm hating every single Jewish person and doing it a hatred that goes 0.98

01:25:59 beyond any moral justification, beyond any legitimate wrongdoing, and in my unjustified 1.00

01:26:06 universal hatred of all Jews, that it is to the point of wishing and actively desiring 0.97

01:26:15 their physical, cultural, economic, or especially spiritual, eternal harm or destruction. 0.67

01:26:25 I think that that would be sin. So let me say it again. So what would be a sinful hatred of Jews?

01:26:31 A sinful, aka anti-Semitism, actual anti-Semitism. What would be actual anti-Semitism, sinful

01:26:38 hatred of Jews? A universal, right? So not collective, not like Paul with the Cretans, 0.97

01:26:43 where he's like, all Cretans, but he's speaking in generalities. All Cretans are liars and lazy 1.00

01:26:47 beats and gluttons. And he says, this is true. And what he's saying is it per capita, in general. 1.00

01:26:54 Now, we know that he doesn't mean all in the sense of each and every individual Cretan. Why?

01:26:58 Because he literally leaves Titus in Crete to plant churches and appoint Titus chapter one.

01:27:04 This is why I left you in Crete, around Cretans, to put what remains in the church in order,

01:27:10 appointing elders. Where's he going to find these elders? From Cretans. So Paul is literally leaving

01:27:16 a son in the faith in a Cretan church filled with Cretans and saying, here are the standards, 0.94

01:27:23 the qualifications for elders, and I believe that you'll be able to find some Cretan men

01:27:27 who fit that bill. And also, all Cretans are liars and lazy. So Paul, yes, he uses the word 1.00

01:27:36 all, but in that context, it's a general blanket statement. So he's saying this is generally true, 0.83

01:27:42 not all, meaning universal, each and every individual. So what constitutes a sinful hatred

01:27:48 of Jews? In my opinion, in Joel Webin's opinion, a universal hatred, and not just universal,

01:27:54 but a universal and unjustifiable hatred, right? Without cause, without reason, and a universal

01:28:03 and unjustifiable hatred of all Jews to the point of actively wishing or desiring toward them their

01:28:10 harm and destruction, physically, economically, emotionally, spiritually, etc. And based off of 0.96

01:28:19 that standard, I do not have any sinful hatred towards Jews. I want those who have dual citizenship,

01:28:27 whether it be in israel or any other country for that matter not to serve office in my country 1.00

01:28:33 i would prefer for them not to be able to vote in my country and i would want those who are 0.98

01:28:40 jews who are recent uh transplants from israel who have not been in america for multiple generations 1.00

01:28:48 likewise not to be able to vote or hold office in my country beyond that i would like uh pornography 0.99

01:28:56 to be abolished absolutely banned outright with strict penalties for anyone who breaks the rule

01:29:03 and i acknowledge that that would affect many people but disproportionately it would affect 0.99

01:29:09 jewish people i would like exorbitant forms of usury to be abolished with strong penalties 0.93

01:29:15 which would affect many people but disproportionately jewish people right those are the kinds of things 1.00

01:29:21 And then I also would ban mosques, but also synagogues. Absolutely. No false worship 1.00

01:29:30 in these United States. Those are the kinds of things that I would like to see. Beyond that,

01:29:36 no, I'm not of the position that I've never ever uttered or even thought in the recesses of my 0.99

01:29:45 heart i would like to see um you know israel just completely you know go up in a mushroom cloud

01:29:51 and for the united states foreign policy position nuke tel aviv right that's no that's never been

01:29:57 united states foreign policy uh position stop partnering with israel right leave them alone

01:30:03 and stop calling them our greatest ally stop giving them money and stop um and stop bombing

01:30:09 iran and other countries on their behalf but no we have never said um and then you know pivot 0.55

01:30:15 your your nukes and and now start nuking israel that's never been our position so what you know

01:30:20 to be fair to the question what would constitute again sinful hatred it would be things like that 0.92

01:30:25 it would be um i want every jew in america rounded up even those who have not they're not serving 0.51

01:30:32 office they're not breaking the laws they're not involved in pornography they're not involved in 0.87

01:30:36 central banking and usury and interest rates. They're not doing any of those things. But I

01:30:42 still, I want them rounded up and physically harmed. That would be wrong. Or the whole nation 0.95

01:30:48 of Israel, I want it blown off the face of the map. I think that would be wrong. But all the

01:30:53 things that I've espoused, none of those are sinful. The only reason Christians think they're 1.00

01:30:58 sinful is again you're not christian you're either a lib or you're a zionist or you're a judeo 0.83

01:31:08 christian but you are not christian your deepest truest commitment is not to biblical historic 0.59

01:31:16 christianity and that's why for you anyone who is not subservient to jews is somehow committing

01:31:23 blasphemy is somehow committing heresy because your orthodoxy is something other than the historic

01:31:31 christian faith once and for all passed down to the saints and i just wish we could be honest

01:31:38 about that i would so appreciate my detractors saying joel will never stop coming from you

01:31:43 will never stop coming after you will never stop hating you and yes of course by the way

01:31:48 we are not historic Christians. 0.56

01:31:51 Just say it.

01:31:53 It feels so good for you,

01:31:55 not just for me, but for you.

01:31:56 You would just feel so good.

01:31:59 You'd be able to sleep at night.

01:32:00 The weight of your conscience would just

01:32:02 be lifted, light as air,

01:32:05 just to be able to admit publicly

01:32:07 to yourself and to others,

01:32:09 and most importantly to God,

01:32:10 at the end of the day,

01:32:12 the Christian faith did not exist

01:32:14 until 1948. 0.80

01:32:16 Just say it.

01:32:17 Right. I'm going to hit too, just on, so we quoted scripture where he says,

01:32:20 God blesses those who bless Israel. I'm going to read the actual passages because what he's

01:32:25 citing is Genesis 12, 3. That's not actually quite what it says. And Paul in the New Testament

01:32:29 gives the Holy Spirit inspired interpretation of that verse. So just quickly, Genesis 12,

01:32:35 2 through 3, this is God talking, and I will make of you, Abraham, a great nation. I will bless you

01:32:40 and I will make your name great so that you will be a blessing. I will bless those who bless Israel.

01:32:45 No, I bless those who bless you, Abraham, and him who dishonors you, I will curse.

01:32:50 And in you shall all the families of the earth be blessed.

01:32:53 And now Paul comes in.

01:32:54 This is Galatians.

01:32:55 So some people are kind of reneging.

01:32:56 They're kind of adding circumcision in with Christ.

01:32:58 Paul says, no, no, no.

01:32:59 Know then that it is those of faith who are the sons of Abraham.

01:33:03 So who is it that's blessed in Abraham?

01:33:05 The sons of faith.

01:33:06 Christians. 1.00

01:33:07 Exposites. 1.00

01:33:08 That's right. 0.83

01:33:08 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith,

01:33:12 preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham.

01:33:14 Now he's about to quote that verse, saying,

01:33:16 In you shall the nations be blessed.

01:33:19 So then, those who are of faith are the blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.

01:33:24 Amen.

01:33:25 What's in view when God blesses Abraham?

01:33:27 There is an actual promise to his physical descendants of physical land.

01:33:30 There's a surface-level physical application.

01:33:31 And it was fulfilled.

01:33:32 And there's a higher spiritual eternal application.

01:33:34 Absolutely.

01:33:35 Both.

01:33:36 Here's the funny thing, though. 1.00

01:33:37 Even with the physical one, because, you know, the more crafty Judeo-Christians out there, 1.00

01:33:41 they would say, well, yeah, we understand that the highest conclusion of this promise is to 0.97

01:33:46 spiritual Israel, the church, those who have faith in Christ. But there's still a very super

01:33:52 duper special thing for ethnic Israel. But here's the thing. Again, it's not Israel. It's Abraham.

01:33:58 You and your descendants, through you, all the nations of the earth would be blessed. Well,

01:34:03 here's the thing. Abraham was the father of many nations, not just one. So if you want to go that

01:34:10 route and talking about the physical aspect number one the spiritual is of what is in view in the new

01:34:17 testament in the mind of the apostles that's what's most important and that is particularly

01:34:21 belonging to christians spiritual israel the children of the promise the children of faith

01:34:26 but even if you want to say well but there's still a physical aspect we would agree but even on those

01:34:32 terms the physical aspect you know who that includes in the case of abraham well it doesn't

01:34:36 just include israel that is the man named jacob his grandson whose name was changed to israel who

01:34:41 had 12 sons and all their tribes well it would also pertain to ishmael and certain nations that

01:34:49 came from him that are currently at war with israel i was about to say that still live in the

01:34:55 same geographical region correct because the blessing was you abraham and from you and your

01:35:02 descendants, you are the father of many nations and I will make many nations great. So the physical

01:35:08 aspect is not just that Israel as an ethnic nation state would be blessed for centuries by God all

01:35:16 the way up until the coming of Christ and then ultimately 80-70 where God ultimately judged

01:35:21 Israel for the rejection of him and the rejection of Christ. But even on those grounds, you would

01:35:28 have to say, well, the promise wasn't just to Israel. It's kind of like the Canaan thing. Well, 0.76

01:35:33 it's not just Canaan, it's Ham generally, and not just Canaan particularly. Well, it's not just

01:35:38 Israel particularly, but it's Abraham generally, right? And Abraham had more descendants than just

01:35:45 Jacob, that is, Israel. And some of those descendants, like Ishmael, also became fathers

01:35:53 of nations, which means that

01:35:55 Abraham, genetically, would be the

01:35:57 father even above that, above Ishmael.

01:35:59 And those are nations that

01:36:00 all the Judeo-Christians very much 1.00

01:36:03 do not want to be blessed. 1.00

01:36:05 And I prefer the interpretation that 0.99

01:36:07 the Gazans are not blessing 0.98

01:36:08 the whole world. It's just, 1.00

01:36:10 no. God fulfilled those promises.

01:36:13 It says in Joshua, He fulfilled the

01:36:14 physical promises and the spiritual promises.

01:36:16 They're ours in Christ.

01:36:18 Amen. Alright, well, that's a doozy

01:36:21 for you.

01:36:23 That last 35 minutes.

01:36:26 Came in hot.

01:36:27 Last 35 minutes was just a freebie.

01:36:28 That was not even the point of the episode.

01:36:30 But, you know, here's the deal, right?

01:36:32 This was about race.

01:36:35 But in preparation, Wes and I, we were standing and looking at the mirror.

01:36:39 We pointed at ourselves and we said, the episode's about race,

01:36:42 but you get in there and you make it about Israel. 0.93

01:36:45 And we did.

01:36:46 Praise God.

01:36:47 All right.

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