When a political party starts eating its young, it s not a sign of strength, but of fear. This summer, the Democratic Party cracked down on one of its own. Gen Z reformer was ousted after challenging the party s aging incumbents. Meanwhile, younger voters on the left and right are pulling further apart.
00:02:50.860It started off because I realized I don't know actually a whole lot about how the Democratic Party actually works.
00:02:56.440And if they are a political enemy, I thought, you know, we should know a little bit about how they work.
00:03:01.320Well, then as I as I dove in, as I started kind of investigating it, it was interesting to me.
00:03:07.220one of the theses is these theses one of the theses for the episode at least from from my part
00:03:14.000today is um a lot of the future of i'm not even sure that the parties are right the republican
00:03:19.940party the democratic party but for now we'll just we'll use those as the stand-in words
00:03:24.280a lot of the future of the two parties in america will depend on how um gen z perceives them so for
00:03:32.400instance, by 2030, it's estimated that Gen Z will be the largest voting bloc in the U.S., which is
00:03:39.320crazy as the boomers are dying off, as millennials are getting older, et cetera. So Gen Z going forward
00:03:47.220is going to have a very important role and voice in terms of what goes on in the nation, which
00:03:53.600parties are elected, which, you know, the direction of the country. So it's really interesting to me
00:04:00.560that at the tails, you've got Gen Z who are more conservative than anything we've seen in a long
00:04:07.100time. And we've got Gen Z who are also more progressive than anything we've seen in a long
00:04:13.800time. Yeah, it's like the widest gap. Yes, the gap is huge. And that is a really interesting
00:04:18.640dynamic that I'm hoping to kind of develop here as we go along. The question is, first of all,
00:04:24.820what I want to do first is just give kind of a story that illustrates potentially what's going
00:04:31.420on in the Democratic Party. The Democratic Party is the oldest political party in the world.
00:04:37.020The Tories in England rebranded themselves. And so while it's basically the same thrust,
00:04:45.100the party disbanded and rebranded quite a long time ago. But the Democratic Party has existed
00:04:51.320in a continuous stream for the longest amount of time of any party in political history so
00:04:57.000that being the case i think it would be a mistake to just assume the democratic party is done
00:05:03.420right they have managed to rebrand themselves to bring in up dissidents to pivot to change and
00:05:14.100twist and turn many many times even through recent history since the the 60s so um it would
00:05:20.840be a mistake, I think, on our part to assume that, you know, they were dealt such a blow at the last
00:05:26.000election. They're in total chaos, which all of this is true, but that they are done, that that's
00:05:32.280the end. Yeah. Okay. So I want to read a quote from, this is going to be quote number one,
00:05:38.900a quote from City Journal, which was talking about a Democratic representative shortly after
00:05:48.420the November election when Trump won so handily. So here is what they say about this. It says
00:05:55.240shortly after the election, Representative Seth Moulton of Massachusetts declared that the party
00:06:01.200needed to be, quote, brutally honest, unquote, about how out of step its position on transgender
00:06:06.740issues was with the American public. As the father of two young daughters, Moulton told the New York
00:06:12.980times he agreed with the eight and ten americans who did not want schoolgirls quote getting run
00:06:18.560over on a playing field by a male or formerly male athlete end quote the blowback was severe
00:06:24.700activists spurred on by local democratic officials and national journalists and non-profits accused
00:06:31.220molten of quote scapegoating trans people um descended on his office for a neighbors against
00:06:38.500hate rally and pledged to primary him in his next election moulton's campaign manager and the
00:06:44.920director of his political action committee quit in protest of his remarks and the chairwoman of
00:06:50.620the salem democratic city committee denounced him in an email as a quote nazi cooperator and
00:06:57.060that's great that's great i mean with enemies like that who needs friends i know that's right
00:07:02.520i know yeah that's i mean that's all you can hope for the democrats are very committed to yes
00:07:07.580so he is presumably if he's got two daughters who are school age or you know we don't know how old
00:07:13.940they were but he's he's a little bit older he's not going to be gen z maybe not even gen x um
00:07:19.080maybe gen x um but it it shows the clash going on in the democratic party or in the progressive
00:07:25.480movement right he realizing they'd been drummed badly in the election said guys let's pull back
00:07:30.340a little bit. And the backlash was immediate. I mean, really, really, really strong. He got
00:07:36.120called the worst thing they could possibly imagine calling someone usually referred for
00:07:40.800the reserve for the Republicans and conservatives, which was, of course, a neo-Nazi for just wanting
00:07:45.420to question the party on that. Democrats are getting a taste that once you turn that revolution
00:07:50.120spigot on, you get that revolutionary mindset into the youth. There actually isn't an off button to
00:07:55.280it. Gavin Newsom is going to run to the same problem. He knows he has to run as a moderate.
00:07:58.980He knows he has to kind of hedge and say, look, at the end of the day, and he did this with Charlie Kirk, I don't know, maybe there's some limits, but I think they're quickly realizing that when you radicalize young people, you tell them you need to join a revolution, you need to burn the system down, that when you get to a certain point saying like, hey, this is damaging, this is hurting our optics, I can't run on this platform, that's a big part of it, like, I may privately agree with you, I can't run on this platform to get power, they've been trained to be revolutionary, and they'll say, we'll accept nothing less.
00:08:27.080I mean, this was communist China. If someone wasn't revolutionary enough, their entire family line could be designated as blood traitors. They weren't revolutionary enough. They didn't take it far enough. They didn't agree with it. And that's been the tactic of the left, at least in modern times since the Enlightenment.
00:08:43.220Yeah. Yeah, that's true. So one of the things I wanted to do here in the first section was just so show some of the differences between how the Democratic National Committee or convention works and the GOP.
00:08:54.980So, Nate, this is going to be the first image. And to me, this was helpful because the two organizations, while they're both political parties, they actually run somewhat differently.
00:09:06.440OK, so here is a couple of the features, the power structure. The Democrats are very top down, very centralized.
00:09:13.940They can kind of flip a switch and everyone is going to fall in line.
00:09:19.160There's a lot of power collected at the top with the Democrats, which is ironic because they keep they branded themselves as the movement of the people.
00:09:26.820But even these protests that we're seeing, we all know they're not grassroots. Right.
00:09:31.300right? They are funded by people at the top. They are organized by people at the top. It's not the
00:09:36.620grassroots movement that people think it is. The Republicans are looser. They are a little bit more
00:09:41.660grassroots driven. I think what I would say here is they are sadly just, there's less strong
00:09:46.800leadership at the top, which we sorely lack. Yeah. Not as much organization. Not as much
00:09:53.000organization. Yep. The coalition, this is the modern, the state of it in modern times. This
00:09:57.760has not always been the case, but the Democrats tend to be more ideological. They have been the
00:10:03.080elites, the activists, they have the academy, they have the schools, they, you know, for a long time
00:10:07.880they've had the media. For the Republicans, it's a little more cultural. It's largely Christian or
00:10:14.560religious, populist, anti-globalist. So it's more of a cultural movement at this point, especially
00:10:20.760if you think about what MAGA is doing. Their reach, their institutional reach, the Democrats have been
00:10:27.180embedded in bureaucracy and media for a long time. I mean, that was the whole scandal with
00:10:31.880the Hunter Biden laptop, um, and going back a long time. So the Republicans have of late the
00:10:39.040electoral power, but still they don't have the institutional control. Um, that's, that's still
00:10:44.120the case. Their tactics. Uh, this is where, um, what, what has been done is while I think this
00:10:51.440is an accurate representation of the tactics of the, of the Democrats and the Republicans,
00:10:55.440in a lot of ways, it's been switched in the public perception. So the tactics for the Democrats are
00:11:00.880to enforce the regulation and administrative law. This is why we see so many judges willing to step
00:11:06.820up and, you know, kind of rule, quote unquote, rule against Trump and what he's doing or what
00:11:12.940conservatives and Republicans are doing. The Republican tactic has always been to negotiate
00:11:18.460and to kind of privately resist change.
00:12:43.040So, right. Trump, especially like, it's so funny that people think he's a totalitarian because I would agree with you, Michael, that if anything, he errs on listening to the plebs, you know, including myself a little bit too much.
00:12:57.260Now, I'm certainly not included in this particular class of people in Trump's ear that I'm about to use as an example.
00:13:06.360But just recently, you know, we saw Trump backing down on his rhetoric of deportations and saying, well, you know, we're going to we're going to do.
00:13:16.820You know, I mean, he literally was elected on mass deportations is clearly what the majority wanted.
00:13:21.620Even some Democrats, for that matter, certainly lots of independents.
00:13:25.700um but that's that was a big part of his platform in his campaign and now he's backing down saying
00:13:31.580you know well but we don't want to hurt our farmers and we also don't want to hurt you know
00:13:35.860this group and that group and it's kind of like um it reminds me of if you ever watched uh one of
00:13:41.940the Austin Powers I forget which one but Austin Powers you know with Mike Myers um one of those
00:13:47.560movies where uh Dr. Evil he's like everybody out everybody you know clear the room and then like
00:13:53.520people are walking out and he's like, well, you can stay, you can stay. And he points at basically
00:13:58.120every single person in the room, except for the one guy that he actually wants out. Um, and you
00:14:03.760know, he's like, Oh, I can't take a hint. And I feel like, you know, I I've said it before. I'll
00:14:08.520say it again. I am struggling a little bit to trust the plan. Um, if, uh, if we're still going
00:14:14.040to go into world war three, if, uh, we're still going to be, you know, fighting for Israel and,
00:14:19.120you know all these kinds of things plus we're also not going to get uh deportations and it's
00:14:25.440one thing if it's being held up you know because uh ice needs funding and we need the you know the
00:14:30.060big beautiful bill to pass and those kinds of things i can i can you know play ball a little
00:14:35.220bit and make some concessions there as much as i don't want to see our debt increase um i i'm
00:14:40.900willing to increase the debt if it's uh to decrease the immigrants uh which is a major cost
00:14:45.900for a lot of the debt but now it's like well you know you can't help but think like well even if we0.98
00:14:52.300get all the deportations there's still all these different sectors within the workforce that are
00:14:58.740going to get a pass on immigrants you know so we'll keep these immigrants we'll keep these
00:15:02.920immigrants we'll keep these immigrants and um and so i say that just to say in terms of listening
00:15:07.840i think it is true that the right is absolutely fractured and it is not a totalitarian it's just0.71
00:15:14.560ironic it's not totalitarian at all uh trump if anything i think he listens to people who are
00:15:21.660around him too much yeah um trump can can actually be fairly easily swayed it's not like we're just
00:15:28.680like oh who's this new guy on the stage it's been a decade at this point since he came down the
00:15:33.540golden escalator and i think that he is consistently modeled for 10 years um that he listens and will
00:15:41.080even be massively driven uh by whoever's in his ear and there's a lot of people in his ear yep
00:15:48.240and on the listening piece it's it's a little bit cliche to say the actual you know like the real
00:15:53.980the uh the real slave owners the real pro-slavery were these guys and turn it back but in the case
00:15:59.260of the democrat party when it comes to for example like electing your presidential candidate
00:16:02.660i mean bernie sanders versus hillary clinton there was very much so a concerted effort from
00:16:07.940the top because super delegates helped to choose the presidential nominees. It's your regular
00:16:13.260delegates chosen by the voter. And this huge slate, I think it might be up to a couple thousand
00:16:17.480super delegates. And Bernie Sanders was clearly the grassroots supported candidate. This was in
00:16:22.5402016. Well, the uniparty there, they got Hillary Clinton, they got Joe Biden. And then when Biden
00:16:28.340had to drop out, they very much so, this was before the convention. So Barack Obama, Hillary
00:16:33.260Clinton, Biden, they could have all said, we want to honor the will of people and have some type of
00:16:37.220voting apparatus, they moved super efficiently. You could tell how coordinated it was. Kamala
00:16:43.100Harris is the candidate literally to just steal our steel man and be like, you will not bring to1.00
00:16:49.080it a vote. You will not put somebody else in. So, I mean, you're talking the last 12 years of the
00:16:54.500presidential candidates of this party. None of them have been what the actual members of the
00:16:59.220democratic party have wanted. Yeah. Democrats have not had a choice. Like, like you said,
00:17:04.440for 12 years so they they make a choice and then the uniparty says no we're going to make the choice
00:17:10.120for you um a lot of democrats did not like hillary clinton right uh would not have picked joe biden
00:17:16.700but i think that you know to be fair that's because the uniparty because it's elite driven
00:17:20.900it's a few individuals that are making these decisions and the elites is out of touch as they
00:17:25.320are i think they still do understand that like um bernie sanders was too radical you know or you
00:17:31.880know aoc or ilhan omar you know that they're too radical so but the problem is they've radicalized
00:17:38.060their base so they've radicalized their base in terms of who's going to vote like every like there
00:17:43.860has not really been one candidate in 12 years that democrats are like we pick this guy we like this
00:17:50.500guy it's literally just uh the republican on the gop side um and then everyone against you know
00:17:56.760like we'll take joe biden you're telling me people weren't excited for hillary clinton
00:18:00.440tripping over themselves to get to the polls yeah well to your point joel um one of the front runners
00:18:06.140to to be nominated as joe biden's vice presidential candidates was the current mayor of los angeles
00:18:14.040who has just been a complete clown show over the last week karen bass yes and and the elites stepped0.98
00:18:20.500in even there and said look guys we don't have a lot of great options but we cannot run her like
00:18:25.920that would that would be the greatest disaster ever so they probably recognize to be honest and
00:18:31.080to your point joel the people are bad at making decisions right like straight up they're like
00:18:35.260we'll call ourselves the democrat party we'll tip our hat to democracy yeah but these people are1.00
00:18:39.540stupid yeah we do not want them picking and the democrat elites are i think perfectly aware of1.00
00:18:44.620that you're absolutely right i agree and they know how to play ball i do think um personally and i0.99
00:18:50.380know this isn't really the theme of today's episode but i do think that uh we're starting
00:18:54.600to see and we'll see more of that same phenomenon on the right um that you know that there's going
00:19:02.100to be more and more on the right of a base that is radicalized you know the counter revolution
00:19:07.600um that's going to say look this is who we want um but the gop you know and the elites um as we
00:19:15.300start to get more of them are going to say that that guy can't win you can't you can't win on that
00:19:20.860base and i'm not just talking about like neo-nazis or something like that yeah you'll have some on
00:19:25.340the right who are like well we want this guy because of his views on you know something super
00:19:30.300spicy but uh you also it's not just that you also have like abolitionists for instance it's like we
00:19:35.200want um we will not vote for uh donald trump unless uh unless he campaigns on uh there will
00:19:45.100not be a single abortion anywhere in the country and anybody who even attempts it attempts it will
00:19:50.220be put to death yeah um well the gop is not going to run that guy not anytime soon i'm not i'm not
00:19:55.740saying it can never happen i i you know but and so i so this phenomenon you know it's it's been
00:20:01.580i guess what i'm saying is that um it's it's kind of been par for the course for the left yeah and
00:20:06.940that's true and for a while um i but it's not it's not limited to the left i know i agree it can
00:20:14.220exist on the right and very well may soon exist on the right in fact i think that i think that
00:20:21.580it has existed on the right and for some you know reason of divine providence trump upset the apple
00:20:28.700cart as much as we don't you know maybe like some of the things he's doing the directions he's going
00:20:33.160he was not supposed to be the one who won right it was supposed to be hillary it was supposed to
00:20:38.180somebody else even for the for the um the primary debates going into it i mean they you know i i
00:20:45.060think i remember he he almost wasn't invited to some of the original primary debates like he was
00:20:49.300not even at all in consideration going into the 2016 presidential election so i think the reason
00:20:55.460too with the democrats like a woman like oh we're gonna get excited for it people aren't just gonna
00:21:01.460have that right but a man who's built a billion dollar empire that's right gets up and says hey
00:21:06.020you, downtrodden American who had his job shipped overseas. I want to make America great again for
00:21:11.320you. That's the type of thing that can push past the elites. But it's Hillary Clinton. I don't even
00:21:16.720know what she ran. It's like, come on, get out there with her nasally voice. It's like, eh,1.00
00:21:21.520yeah. I want to close this section by just reading a phrase that I came across while I was
00:21:30.140researching and thinking this through and it was this um democrats enforce or try to enforce their
00:21:36.360vision republicans negotiate with it and there's strengths and weaknesses right there you know we
00:21:42.460can't be ideological we know that politics is a game of compromise of trying to achieve the best
00:21:47.500ends possible the best available tools but i thought that was insightful that for a long time
00:21:52.560um the reason the country one of the reasons the country is in the state that it's in
00:21:57.140is that people on the left believe in their cause they believe in their vision and they believe in
00:22:02.540exercising political will to achieve it right um and and the right has maybe the right has actually
00:22:09.360behind the scenes had that as well maybe that's the problem is their their vision has been the
00:22:14.020post-war globalists like that probably is the case um but at least the the champions that the
00:22:20.060conservatives put forward they tend to very they say one thing and then they very quickly back away
00:22:25.020from that um and and end up disappointing a lot of voters kind of over and over and over as a
00:22:30.220pattern and i think like you just it's like playing chess you have to have different pieces
00:22:34.140on the board bishops and rooks and knights and and with the democrats like you you do have the
00:22:39.380the true bona fide ideologues that like they actually have conviction um it's terrible you
00:22:46.040know but like you have your aocs johan omars and like i mean they they like for them it's it's not
00:22:51.660just uh winning it's it's not just you know what like what can i run that you know is within the
00:22:57.360overton window like that i mean they're they're perfectly willing to be far outside of you know
00:23:02.740what would be publicly acceptable just strictly on the basis of ideology and and their convictions
00:23:09.360and so even if the american public aren't even close they're like well like um we believe we
00:23:15.240genuinely believe in our heart of hearts that you know gay furries are going to make america great
00:23:19.760again and we stand for gay furries and whereas on the right you know but my point is you have that
00:23:25.620but then you have chuck schumer you know and you have the pelosis and you have you know all the0.57
00:23:30.020people but on the right it's like you you only have the chuck schumers and the nancy pelosi right
00:23:35.720you don't all you have on the right i feel like is the career politicians who are just like what
00:23:42.640what uh what works you know like let's just we just want to win an election and we don't care
00:23:48.080if we have to compromise every single one of our virtues to do it um we we just want to win
00:23:53.680and and ironically like that kind of strategy um has you know in many ways all it's produced is
00:24:01.080losses um because it's you know it's like what do you stand for you know and trump is the first guy
00:24:06.720who actually had something that he was standing for and and it worked out you know and he won but
00:24:12.680when i think you know macro picture at least the last 20 30 40 years it seems like
00:24:18.180democrats there's the career politicians to be sure and and they're you know gonna you know
00:24:24.820they're gonna actually run a campaign especially at a presidential level that's within the overton
00:24:30.620but then there's also an you know the squad there's there's a section of the democrat party
00:24:35.980that truly functions on ideology and conviction and is constantly so you have one apparatus
00:24:42.500that's that's um it's the mechanics it's actually getting the w getting the win but then there's
00:24:48.140the other side that's uh propagandizing and shaping the culture to push them perpetually
00:24:53.280further and further left on the right it's it seems like it's only the career politicians it's
00:24:59.180only the apparatus of just working the election and trying to win but no one within the right
00:25:05.360coalition until trump that actually is saying no i'm actually trying to push the call and shape
00:25:10.320the culture influence the culture to move further right um and that's something that we've lacked as
00:25:16.300we start to get that though and i think i don't think trump is like the end all be all i think
00:25:21.120in many ways he's the prelude and yeah he just opened the door but he just opened the door
00:25:25.040exactly and it's kind of like the first example of an ideologue and he's really not that ideological
00:25:31.640but a guy who had a positive vision not just let's win an election but a positive vision of what
00:25:37.680what mayor america could be the first guy in decades on the right to have that and uh and but
00:25:43.880now that we have i'm hoping yeah uh you know limitless you know perpetual fracturing um is
00:25:51.320is not good for you know uh practically getting something done and winning elections but i'm
00:25:56.760hoping that we actually can have at least some fracturing in the sense of having some guys who
00:26:02.800can win elections and know what it takes and, you know, know where the American public is so that
00:26:08.220they can be shrewd, so that they can be strategic, but also having some guys even further to the
00:26:14.080right of Trump with conviction and, you know, and actually have a positive vision of trying to
00:26:20.520not just win the next election, but shape the public in such a way that the Overton is now
00:26:25.560actually moving towards the right. Yeah. Good. Let's hit our first commercial break. When we
00:26:30.740come back, we're going to talk about David Hogg and whether the establishment or what it says
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00:30:18.180you said at the end that got me thinking was how the parties deal with their more ideological
00:30:25.000people. And for a long time, both parties have an establishment, right? They've got the elite,
00:30:30.720the congressmen, the politicians, the career politicians. But I think for a long time,
00:30:36.060the elite on the right has been dragged forward by the ideological, sorry, on the left. The elite
00:30:42.540on the left have been dragged forward by the ideological on the left. And the elite or the
00:30:47.660establishment on the right, the Republican Party, have been blocking the more ideological on the
00:30:54.420right. And so I think what we see is kind of on this side, there's a funnel, right? And this is
00:31:01.720actually why the Democratic Party has been able to stay in power for so long, because you've got
00:31:05.860a broad base, and then it shoots its ideological people out of this funnel, but they're able to
00:31:12.520turn their funnel, right? On the right, we have the GOP, and they're like a volcano, right? And
00:31:19.620so it was flat, and there's ideological pressure, and it's starting to bubble and bubble and bubble.
00:31:23.740And I think I hope you're right. I hope that Trump was the first kind of shoot into the air that will open a crater that that more can come out of.
00:31:33.000So, yeah, the question is going to be with the DNC, whether the establishment is going to be able to rein in the more ideological Gen Z members.0.54
00:31:43.480So something interesting, this was a little a couple of weeks ago, maybe.
00:31:48.020But David Hogg was appointed. He's the first Gen Z appointed to this sort of power.
00:31:53.740He was appointed the vice president of the Democratic National Committee last year.0.52
00:31:59.300Now, he was he has gained notoriety and fame.
00:32:03.420He's been an influencer on the left for a number of years.
00:32:06.320He was a survivor of the Parkland shooting in Florida in 2018.
00:32:11.460And on the back of that, he started an organization for gun control and to stop gun violence and all of these things.
00:32:17.640And so he's had a voice for a long time and has become really, really popular with the progressive younger Democrats or leftists.
00:32:26.340And so the the party, realizing that we've got people like Joe Biden and Bernie Sanders as our figureheads, they actually elected him as the vice president of the Democratic National Committee.
00:32:41.020Wes, is it committee or convention? I think it's convention. Convention. Convention. I keep saying committee.
00:32:47.640Now, he did something really interesting. He took the $20 million budget that he had been given and he publicly came out and said, all right, thank you very much for the position. Obviously, what you're telling me is you want younger, fresh ideas like I have. So I'm going to be actively primarying and campaigning against any Democrat who's up for re-election in the next election cycle who is too normie.
00:33:11.780so he took his 20 million dollar budget and just came out hard and made you know a list these are
00:33:18.240the people that we're going to primary we're going to get them out and we're going to get the real
00:33:21.680ideological purists in their place well where's first act of office reyoboam david hogg
00:33:30.300probably that there's a good argument to be made yep absolutely so um this sent the democrats into
00:33:37.020a panic. And of course, all of these congressmen are contacting the Democratic National Convention
00:33:43.640and saying, wait, what's going on? I'm going to lose my seat. The vice president is actively
00:33:49.860campaigning against me. You know, what about all the promises you made me? What about, you know,
00:33:53.040all these deals we've had? And so this really threw the Democrats into a situation because
00:34:02.080this garnered a lot of support from the younger Gen Z, more ideological people. Yes, we're finally
00:34:07.160getting what we've actually wanted. We're going to push past the old Democratic positions. We're
00:34:12.080going to finally get the new ones. We're going to get some people in there who are aligned with us
00:34:15.540ideologically. And so the question is, what happens? Well, David Hogg came out just a week
00:34:23.700or two ago, maybe two weeks ago, and announced, I will not be seeking a second term this summer
00:34:29.700when my term as vice president of the convention comes up and it seems very altruistic. Well,
00:34:35.140the reality is behind the scenes, the convention had already organized a vote that was already
00:34:41.280going to go against him. And so he basically said, don't oust me. I'll just, I'll serve out
00:34:47.460my last couple of months. I won't cause a ruckus and you can, I won't seek reelection. You can put
00:34:53.540someone in. The old Nixon play. The old Nixon play. That was not fired. I resigned. That's
00:34:58.720right. So that all seemed interesting. But what really is interesting is an audio conversation
00:35:07.000of, this was a Zoom meeting, but there's a conversation between David Hogg, the vice
00:35:12.780president of the convention, and the president of the convention. This conversation between the two
00:35:19.500of them was leaked recently. So we're going to listen to this. It's about just under two minutes.
00:35:25.160And the first voice that you're going to hear is the president of the convention.
00:35:29.400And then I don't know that we actually hear a lot from David Hogg, but this guy is just explaining the trouble that David Hogg and his kind of ideological fervor have caused for the party.
00:35:39.260OK, so, Nate, let's go ahead and roll this. It's not video, so you'll just hear it.
00:35:43.580And I'll say, look, it has plenty of warts and we're all trying to change those for sure.
00:35:49.480but um the longer we continue this fight the harder it is for us to actually do what we all
00:35:55.300want to do which is make a difference in this country again so um i i deeply respect you david
00:36:01.700i i too was looking forward to working with you but this has created a situation and i'll be very
00:36:07.500honest with you for the first time in my hundred days on this job and jessica knows this um
00:36:13.320i i say the other night i said to myself for the first time i don't know if i want to do this
00:36:23.420anymore and partly partly not because of the stress and all the naysayers right i'm used to
00:36:29.840that i've spent 14 years as a chair i'm used to getting beat up on but you know this is this is
00:36:36.380really um everything you know from from this election this credentials report and how malcolm's
00:36:43.900been treated in this to uh you know the fact uh the election itself how shasti and and gina were
00:36:50.440treated in this um i i'm just quite frustrated to be in this position because what you've done
00:36:58.420whether you like it or not or know it or not david is i'm trying to no one knows who the hell i am
00:37:03.920right i'm trying to get my sea legs underneath of me and actually uh develop any amount of
00:37:10.880credibility so i can go out there and raise the money and do the job i need to to put ourselves
00:37:15.260in a position to win and again i don't think you intended this but you essentially destroyed any
00:37:20.400chance i have to show the leadership that i need to so it's really frustrating
00:37:27.220that was from politico and if you've heard at the end he starts to get emotional right to cry
00:37:39.360or um yeah most masculine award yeah no it makes sense that he's a democrat that seems like that's
00:37:46.400what when i think of democrat men uh talking in private i imagine crying yeah so that's uh that
00:37:53.100was just a confirmation checks out yeah yeah yeah so any comments from you two on that before i kind
00:37:58.600of draw a couple of thoughts out of it this crisis is incredible you'll get to some of it on the gen
00:38:03.800c stats but the crisis within the party apparatus now there will always be like republican does not
00:38:09.140of course encapsulate everyone that's on the right wing that's for traditional values all of that
00:38:13.480nor does the democrat party as an official party apparatus capture all the left wing but within
00:38:18.820the party itself. So the structure that gives funds to candidates, that allows you to caucus
00:38:23.120with them, that organizes a meeting every year, that puts forward the candidates. They are in an
00:38:28.260incredible disarray. And this is God's mercy that our enemies are being put to flight. Their own
00:38:33.900radical ideology has left them in this space where the reason we all know David Hogg's name for the
00:38:39.060record was the Parkland school shooting in Florida. So he was one of the survivors. It's doubted
00:38:44.000whether he was anywhere close to what happened, even in the school at the time. But we know his
00:38:48.380name because he went on a huge tour speaking up about gun violence. And so that, that kind of
00:38:53.120radical ideology there then gave birth to this man that is not at all intelligent, not at all
00:38:58.140inspiring, but he is the, it's the victim narrative. It's probably the only white male that they
00:39:02.480somehow find, found a way to make into the victim. But that own, that, that ideology is now the0.53
00:39:08.240cancer that is literally, and you're hearing it on this call, destroying them alive. They can't
00:39:13.000have a unified message. They're torn up by infighting. Like we have our problems in the
00:39:17.000Republican party too. We need an America first, a Christian nationalist platform to come out of
00:39:21.740MAGA and it needs to happen quickly. So we have our problems, but in their camp, they are in0.85
00:39:26.900tatters. And I think that is God's mercy that they will not be organized. They will not have
00:39:31.460a coherent message. I don't expect anything great out of them, anything powerful, anything
00:39:38.640populist for a long, long time until they remake it until it's something entirely new.
00:39:42.900Yeah. Wes, I didn't have a chance to research this. So from your listening or reading,
00:39:48.360did you see if there's been any fallout related to the announcement that he's not going to
00:39:53.720continue? I would imagine that this would upset him and the more ideological young
00:39:58.560Gen Zers and ideological leftists who are part of the party. But I should have. I didn't take1.00
00:40:03.620the time to look and see if there's been any fallout. It's funny enough, the most radical
00:40:06.720elements that I've seen, they're celebrating it because he's a white male and they're celebrating
00:40:11.020him not coming back as an opportunity for more women and people of color to take lead in these
00:40:16.020spaces so i haven't seen like no they got the best of us but rather hey he did a good job we
00:40:22.800recognize he was a victim of gun violence because we can now we can but this is great because we can
00:40:27.480do more well to that point the reason the the way that the convention was planning to oust him
00:40:34.860was on a procedure which was that they realized that having him a white male in the position
00:40:42.520meant that they weren't filling a quota that they had for DEI and so the the way they were going to
00:40:50.880get rid of him was saying oh whoops we've we recounted the numbers we forgot we're one woman
00:40:56.240or black person or minority or whatever short you've got to go so to your point Wes undoubtedly
00:41:02.220the person that replaces david hogg will be a dei hire of some sort yep yep incredible okay
00:41:10.180trouble yeah so that to me is very interesting because we will see if the establishment is able
00:41:18.020to wriggle its way out or if they like you said earlier much earlier west um have created a
00:41:24.200situation that they cannot pull out of where the ideological people have the reins even joel as
00:41:29.800you were mentioning like AOC, she's part of the squad. Yes. But what was so remarkable about her
00:41:34.240was she went within one election to being one of the most prominent voices in the democratic party,
00:41:39.660you know, and she's one of the most ideological, most shrill. Um, so she, she leapfrogged ahead,
00:41:45.280ahead of a lot of career politicians, same with David Hogg, things like that. So they do have
00:41:50.260a problem on their hands. Yep. Yep. Do you get into at all the whole, uh, find the Democrats,
00:41:55.180Joe Rogan effect? I don't talk about it now. I've read some about that, but now might be a good time
00:42:00.820to talk about that if you want to bring it up. Just to kind of illustrate the point that we're
00:42:03.660making in another sense, Democrats, there's, I think, $20 million set aside into a fund,
00:42:08.420and it's for them to say, as they termed it, to find our Joe Rogan, because they recognize
00:42:14.020that a lot of the voices, this would be on podcasting, this would be on shows, this would
00:42:17.860be on TV, and this would be on radio. The big ones, you're Theo Vaughn, you're Joe Rogan,
00:42:22.440you're Tucker Carlson, all of those, they're mostly men and they're mostly right-wing coded.
00:42:28.000And so they look at the landscape and you've got a couple of guys, you've got Young Turks,
00:42:31.420there's a couple of other shows. They're not household names. And so they've realized like,
00:42:36.260holy cow, the youth, like you said earlier, Gen Z is going to be a huge voting block,
00:42:40.620the biggest one. And we have nobody out there that people are like, guys, babe, wake up,
00:42:45.580new Joe Rogan just dropped. They don't have anyone like that. And so they're literally
00:42:48.940spending 20 million dollars and the person they put in charge of it she's leading she's front1.00
00:42:53.280facing don't even know her name but it's an overweight woman that lectures young men about1.00
00:42:58.620not being democratic said we have an image problem young men aren't interested in us young women too
00:43:03.940young women are really revolting against feminism we've got a big problem on our hands what should
00:43:08.520we do i've got a great idea we lecture them and just another example of how out of touch they are0.99
00:43:14.760And so they're shoveling cash just into a fire, like find us our own Joe Rogan, find us someone
00:43:20.040more diverse. And all that's happening is the ship that's going down. And as the ship's going
00:43:23.940down, it's also catching on fire. Well, and that's also just, that's the pattern of the
00:43:28.520Democrat party and leftist, you know, Marxist for, you know, the last 80 years is the right
00:43:36.560builds institutions and then they co-opt them. Right. Right. And so if you think about it like
00:43:41.860this um yeah so they don't have a joe rogan they don't have a theo vaughn you know they don't have
00:43:46.420that equivalent and that's why you have gavin newsome you know going on charlie kirk and
00:43:49.660admitting like yeah we realize you know that we don't uh we don't really have any podcast you
00:43:54.720know platforms not not any you know that are uh legitimate and you know so we just get sound bites
00:44:00.220you know i go on you know nbc news or whatever and you know and it's a 30 second clip or a three
00:44:05.840minute clip you know meanwhile you're over here every single day you know for three hours
00:44:09.780podcasting and um it's like yeah that's true but uh the way that that happened lest we forget
00:44:16.080is you know there was media legacy media news stations shows and in addition to to that
00:44:22.960entertainment hollywood disney you know children's and they actually did co-opt all of it right all
00:44:30.060of it from every single children's program to every single hollywood slop you know uh blockbuster
00:44:36.200production to every single news station uh and i'm gonna kind of include talk right i'm gonna
00:44:42.160include fox news in that too i you know like i mean it's basically you know leftists you know
00:44:47.180it's certainly liberalism um and you know and borderline uh to the left you know and so there's
00:44:52.380just some american flags once in a while so my yeah exactly so they my point is uh they took
00:44:57.120everything and so it's not like when you think of podcasting it was the right had nothing left
00:45:03.600there was nothing there was nothing there was no institution in terms of news and media and
00:45:09.080entertainment left to the right uh it was all co-opted and so it's not like the right uh from
00:45:15.560a strategic standpoint got in the back room it was like um you know what can we do that's more
00:45:20.480effective than you know than uh owning you know the three news stations in existence that are
00:45:26.740played on cable tv and everyone's living like it wasn't like like a design it was just it was
00:45:32.360desperation it wasn't so it wasn't like intention um it was it was simply that we don't have any
00:45:38.940other options so like all right we're podcasting well you know then podcasts started to to you know
00:45:44.180to to take on you know steam and become more popular but i don't think it's just because
00:45:49.780of the format i think the format like there certainly is a market for that but i i think
00:45:55.420it's because ideas on the right are true and and there's always going to be at least some sector
00:46:02.180of the population that is attracted towards the truth wherever you could find it i think if
00:46:07.100podcasts all become slop you know leftist garbage um and uh sean hannity you know like grows a pair
00:46:14.500and and says some things that are true and right wing um then all of a sudden people will be0.98
00:46:20.080watching sean hannity again and you'll have even gen z were watching tucker right and then he left
00:46:24.960exactly and you would literally have gen z signing up you know like how do i get cable tv
00:46:29.780and so like i don't i don't think it's so much the format yeah right um i don't think it's it's
00:46:36.200i think it's it's the messaging it's the content there will always be now there are times when
00:46:41.640many people are lying and suppressing the truth and in works of unrighteousness and therefore
00:46:46.360it's a remnant it's a minority but in any given moment in god's providence any any different time
00:46:52.720period throughout this gospel age there's always going to be a market for truth and and so i think
00:46:59.220you know democrats again i think they're they're going about it the wrong way which is great you
00:47:03.880know and and fully what i anticipated um because you can count on them to you know to get things
00:47:09.120wrong but they're they're gonna oh oh so the the you know the secret sauce for trump winning the
00:47:14.300popular vote in 2024 right was the format right right the platform of podcasting um so we'll just
00:47:22.280do that great right i keep thinking that that's like please get michelle michelle obama on more
00:47:28.540podcast you're telling me call her daddy didn't just cement kamala's victory right there it's
00:47:33.440tough for me to believe yeah so so that's i i think that's it's basically the right start
00:47:38.660something the left takes it right there's always this this perpetual leftward drift unless it's
00:47:43.920unless they're absolutely committed and there have to be all these mechanisms um otherwise
00:47:49.880it's just compromise a leftward drift and eventually they co-opt it entirely they take it
00:47:55.420and you know and then and then that's not left to you there's no there's no chance if you're on the
00:48:00.780right of getting into you know um msnbc or something and so then you you start a podcast
00:48:07.440with seven followers but eventually over the course of a decade then that becomes a big thing
00:48:11.900and then the left's going to come for that too and so my my my hypothesis my prediction is um
00:48:19.000this 20 million dollars going towards pocket is i think it's great i wish i wish they had uh you
00:48:25.600know um designated as a line item 200 million dollars like the whole we could do more like i
00:48:31.840mean it might as well say like um 20 million dollars uh in the garbage because it like it
00:48:37.740is going to do nothing well something else happened though i mean everything that that
00:48:41.220we've said so far i think is right but one other thing happened that i think is to the point that
00:48:47.920you made Joel that what really is going on here is people are saying true things right and the
00:48:53.720thing that happened was some existing podcasts like Rogan and like Russell Brand started not
00:49:01.880they themselves becoming right-wing but they started entertaining right-wing or truthful
00:49:07.640ideas having guests on that's what it was and that didn't tank their numbers right in fact if
00:49:13.360anything it helped and so to your point it was this idea that that truth had been suppressed and
00:49:18.620so a conservative would even go listen to russell brand if he had some guest on even though he's a
00:49:24.240had been a new agey weird right druggie you know and i'll listen to him just whatever the platform
00:49:31.260i think in many ways is irrelevant it's just it's the messaging where can i find truth so like even
00:49:36.240now like there's already again there's a transition in terms of the you know the technology itself
00:49:40.560i think that's less relevant so like right now there's um uh you know transition to like there's
00:49:46.200all these guys going viral on tiktok with you know like 45 second little videos where they watch
00:49:51.880something and then they react to it and they're not giving some deep thought out analysis they're
00:49:56.680literally saying like three sentences but the three sentences they're saying is what everyone's
00:50:01.060thinking in there and they're willing to say it out loud it's true and so then what happens their
00:50:05.280little tick tock channel blows up into the stratosphere it's like what what uh what in-depth
00:50:10.760you know uh brilliant cultural analysis is being offered by you know this this you know prestigious
00:50:16.940individual and and turns out the dude it's like a 22 year old single white guy who's just watching
00:50:23.040a video and then saying um yeah that's ridiculous round all all these people up and throw them in
00:50:28.520prison right and everyone's like yes well the the left has their 20 million million dollar chest
00:50:34.480the right has a former you guys know twitch these are guys that play video games so aswin gold he
00:50:42.060was a big twitch guy but he was just games now his are the little clips right that are and that you
00:50:48.320can't fabricate that sort of thing right the 20 million dollars is not going to create uh an
00:50:54.040environment where young men who play video games and then hear this guy getting mad about something
00:50:59.080conservative right keep clicking on his hot takes his 30 second hot takes because right
00:51:04.420wing thought is concise and simple it's a joke but it's true well the left can't mean why can't
00:51:11.440they because their ideas be it about white privilege be it about structural racism be it
00:51:16.680about the the patriarchy none of that is is simple you have to say like well actually if you read the
00:51:22.580critical race theories and you go back and and it's and it's worked into the structures such
00:51:26.880that racism is it's an unconscious bias that's learned that is so much longer than simply saying
00:51:32.640hey some people are different right yeah it takes more words to lie yep that takes more time it takes
00:51:37.620fewer in an attention span world people do not have that long like if we go outside and i say
00:51:43.360you see that the sky it's blue right and and there's just immediate consensus but the guy
00:51:50.060who wants to say well actually it's green he can't just actually a spectrum of colors that
00:51:55.020then explain why this thing that's so blatantly untrue is actually true and so he has to explain
00:52:01.840why your eyes are lying to you you know and why it's actually green and that just simply takes
00:52:07.800more time and more words and and so like yeah so the right is always at an advantage in the sense
00:52:13.780that um truth truth is you're right it like it takes fewer words it's simpler um and it also
00:52:22.140doesn't take somebody who's phd i mean it's great like the right need we need our intellectuals we
00:52:27.620need our academics uh we we need institutions and think tanks and we're going to have to build a lot
00:52:32.400of that up again we have some of that but very little by comparison to the left and everything
00:52:37.020that they've co-opted and hijacked over the last four or five decades um and it'll be uh imperative
00:52:42.340that we seek to build those things up again uh in the future but at the same time like you you'll
00:52:46.880see the memes you know on x where it's like it's like some you know it's like from like a video
00:52:51.160game or something it's like some giant like colossal titan you know um and it is the size
00:52:56.660of a mountain um and it's this tiny little warrior you know like human size standing in front of it
00:53:01.560and it's almost a joke it's like david and goliath but on steroids you know like not just like this
00:53:05.740guy's twice my size but like a thousand times and and then for the colossal titan monster whatever
00:53:11.580it's like you know it's like all of legacy media you know and all uh every you know ivy league you
00:53:19.080know uh university and this and that and blah blah blah blah blah and 20 million dollars towards
00:53:24.220podcasting and you list all these and and then uh the other guy over here it's um it's you know the
00:53:30.360kid who's says the emperor has no clothes it's like and so like who's facing him uh it's uh
00:53:35.740bubba you know who's 17 years old and works with his dad on you know um on a shrimp boat you know
00:53:42.340uh saying uh well actually uh we shouldn't have a foreign invasion at our southern border yeah and
00:53:48.420it's like and you can't you can't stop bubba because he's he has the truth right on his side
00:53:53.400so now that does to me that begs the question though um then why why did why was the left so
00:54:00.640successful for so long you know because they've been lying all along but i think this kind of
00:54:05.680gets back to just the heart of this entire episode is at first it maybe didn't require as many words
00:54:11.580and it didn't require such the lies are smaller yeah you didn't exactly you didn't need because
00:54:15.820now we're talking about you know multi multi-billion dollar propaganda machine right because
00:54:22.140when you're trying to get people to believe that boys are girls right the complete opposite of
00:54:27.260truth that takes a lot of indoctrination that takes like it's like we're never like everyone's
00:54:33.460gonna have to get a phd and we're gonna have to fund everyone getting the phd you know because
00:54:37.900it's gonna take literally seven years of 40 hours a week in the classroom to convince someone that
00:54:43.940a boy is actually a girl and a girl is actually a boy uh but at first you know what you're right
00:54:49.500michael that's that's what i was gonna say is that at first if it's just if it's just you know
00:54:54.360if you're actually more conservative and traditional and in line with the
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01:00:44.240right uh so we're gonna wrap up here with some uh data from i will admit it is a liberal source
01:00:51.280from doc box.com i almost said docs.com which actually is kind of true too you know vox.com so
01:00:58.160Take it for what it's worth. But I think it's some interesting observations. And they're pulling some polls together that Harvard did and that Yale did and a couple other places. So they're looking through some larger polls from various sources. They were very clear in the article to say they're nonpartisan sources like Harvard and Yale. So just, you know, I'm sure we're all relieved to hear that.
01:01:21.100um but they they point out vox the vox article points out that the data seem to reflect that
01:01:28.140when we talk about gen z which a lot of people are looking at right now for reasons that we said
01:01:32.500earlier in the episode um there actually are kind of two gen z's yes right now um so i'm just gonna
01:01:38.540i'm gonna read some quotes and women that is true and that's going to come through but but it's out
01:01:44.260it's also by age no you're right yep so i'm going to read these two quotes and then we'll give our
01:01:49.100commentary on it and that's, and then we'll, we'll wind things down. So this is the first quote from
01:01:54.520the Vox article. It says this, according to the spring Yale youth poll, younger Gen Z men and
01:02:00.960women tend to have more Republican coded opinions than their older Gen Z peers on a range of policy
01:02:06.600issues. They tend to view Trump more favorably side with the Republican position on some policies0.52
01:02:11.440like immigration, trans women in college sports and Ukraine by higher margins and are more likely
01:02:17.340to consider casting a vote for a generic republican candidate than older gen z members younger gen z
01:02:24.140is also the segment of americans where religiosity seems to be holding steady if not outright
01:02:30.320increasing as i've reported before young gen z this is an incredible statement young gen z men
01:02:36.660are holding on or returning to organized religion in rates high enough to slow down a decades-long
01:02:43.380trend towards religious dissociation in america wow which is quite remarkable but it's all
01:02:49.920something we've talked about on this show before right real quick what is uh young gen z like what
01:02:55.000what age are we talking to 34 is the demographic okay so this is going to be 18 to maybe mid 20s
01:02:59.640oh i count as gen z then you are yes yes like i'm 30 and like most of the time i'm counting
01:03:04.700millennial but according to this estimation yeah i'm part of the older gen z um i guess it depends0.51
01:03:09.220on the yeah i guess you would be but your older gen z which means you're gay well and that that's
01:03:16.000actually kind of interesting because i i didn't look at all the data but i'm just going from
01:03:20.660memory here it seems like the older gen z are actually quite radicalized towards the left
01:03:25.540right like more than maybe millennials or something like that they are really the true believers in
01:03:31.460what was going on during the gender ideology during the blm things like that and that's when
01:03:35.900they were teenagers that's what was capturing their imagination and and to some degree this
01:03:40.380makes sense because really all of us want a cause to live for right you know and so if that was the
01:03:46.500cause i've heard that things imprint on you in your teenage years that are almost impossible to
01:03:51.500get rid of your location the kind of music that you heard like it really is true that music that
01:03:56.620you listen to in your teenage years have a dopamine effect on you all through the rest of
01:04:02.080your life doesn't matter if there's superior music music or objectively better music the fact
01:04:08.280that it printed on you in your teenage years really sticks with you for a long time it really
01:04:12.380i can confirm it does not matter if it's objectively superior music because still to this day do not
01:04:18.420let your children listen to rap dave matthews i am right there with you i'm like i hear like
01:04:23.860boom boom boom and i'm like this is so good and anybody who's not like in my age range is like
01:04:31.020but is it no no we're not going to go down that road i'm like yes i do think to your point though
01:04:37.000the tail end of millennials because they were the last kind of group that had a good they were
01:04:41.040generally if they came of age here in about 2015 to 2020 right they had a decent job and they were
01:04:45.840probably able to afford a home yep prior to the covid housing crisis yeah so they got the house
01:04:49.940they probably got a decent job they're probably making mid hundred thousands on average so they're
01:04:54.460not feeling it the way gen z is right and i don't think that's really going to change like gen z has
01:04:58.560a lot of incentive to upset the apple cart young men i mean the options for dating are either
01:05:02.960women that are older and have been ran through or women that are younger and are feminists
01:05:06.900so they don't have great options for datings or they're furries or they're other men goodness0.86
01:05:11.460gracious terrible options for dating terrible options for jobs taken by all the illegal0.97
01:05:15.240immigrants tech is downsizing with ai house they'll never own a home they'll never even own a1.00
01:05:20.280condo right of course they're going to burn the system down right they don't have anything to lose1.00
01:05:24.720really really hard their entire life yep they might be able to mow my backyard
01:05:28.860although although with not your backyard i want to be clear not to say your backyard
01:05:34.760but with the i i did see i know we're ripping on trump for the illegals but i saw an article today
01:05:39.800about a town in nebraska where basically the entire population of illegals cleared out
01:05:45.620and the oh yeah i saw that and all the americans who americans don't even want these jobs they're
01:05:51.700not they're too high and mighty not willing and literally the next day there was a line out the
01:05:56.320door with a bunch of you know salt of the earth americana people you know obviously a little bit
01:06:03.140you know economically lower right lower class but they're literally saying please yeah like we would
01:06:08.500have applied sooner but we you wouldn't hire us because you were picking the illegals over us
01:06:13.640and now that there's the option turns out americans actually are willing to work these jobs
01:06:18.520we've been lied to this entire time the whole time americans actually would have been willing
01:06:23.820to work those jobs and we need to do an episode on propaganda it is so powerful it's crazy and
01:06:29.460you can use it for good so it's not like propaganda is bad no we need our own propaganda for good ends
01:06:34.120that's even better than theirs yep and shockingly the wages for those jobs increased from what they
01:06:40.660had been paying the illegals to what they had to then pay um you know because they needed work
01:06:45.720number one so they had to pay more and they had to follow wage laws and you know things but here's
01:06:50.320the thing it's like okay so one but you're actually paying an a real american it's it like it is a
01:06:56.560service to your country like you can sleep at night it was like oh well i'm having to pay three
01:07:00.960more dollars an hour yeah but like but to my my fellow kin like like my my countrymen that's
01:07:07.260that's good in its own right but then secondly i bet you know this will take more time for the
01:07:12.540verdicts come back in we see the results but i bet you they end up getting more business too
01:07:16.680because now it's like everyone who's patroning your business um like one benefit is like oh i
01:07:22.260can actually uh you speak english i can actually talk to you you know that's kind of nice and so
01:07:27.300like if i go to a grocery store and it's a bunch of people who look like americans and they speak
01:07:33.220english and they're polite and they're waving hello um i'm going to be far more likely even
01:07:38.040if the prices are slightly higher to want to go and shop there again, then going down to, you know,
01:07:43.800you know, whatever Quickie Mart, you know, run by Ubar, you know, like who can't even speak my0.93
01:07:51.040language. We do have a heritage American only grocery store. It's called Whole Foods, but0.99
01:07:55.060it's not Costco and it's not HVB. But that place is also a lib paradise. But yeah, that's what I
01:08:01.000was going to say. It's like, are those Americans? Can you imagine if businesses, they speak English
01:08:06.520barely if businesses started saying you know what we're going to level with you we've had0.81
01:08:11.46010 of our our labor force has been illegals and it was for economic reasons and it was in but we1.00
01:08:18.440are ending that and we want you to know our local town we're high we're replacing all of them with1.00
01:08:23.620people from this town because we we're sorry we want to love this town like that would that would
01:08:29.900garner so much goodwill get so much business the whole town would be like all right like all like
01:08:35.320all the prices are 15 percent higher and i'm coming yep yeah it's amazing it's not that hard
01:08:42.120yep um you just like here's the prerequisite you have to not have an undying hatred towards your
01:08:48.340own people yeah so you know it's a fairly high bar is high you know for americans that specialize
01:08:54.180in hating their own people but but that's all it takes yeah let's hit this second um quote about
01:08:59.940the divide in gen z so nate this is going to be quote number um three
01:09:05.620uh this says the data we have found from the last election suggests broadly at least two types of
01:09:15.700young voters old gen z more democratic more progressive and young gen z more trump curious
01:09:22.080and more skeptical of the status quo that internal split roughly between here it is
01:09:27.040those aged 18 to 24 and in the latter camp and 25 to 29 in the former. So this is actually capping
01:09:34.820it. Jess, Wes, maybe you're not Gen Z. Oh, so then that puts you right in the millennial.
01:09:40.100I knew I was a millennial, but I allowed it. It hasn't dissipated post-election. So that's
01:09:44.420since the election to this spring. It is still showing up in polling and surveys. The point that
01:09:50.880the article was making here was this was not just pre-election hype. It seems to be bearing out
01:09:55.760even after the election as trump is one thing if it was only uh oriented toward trump and that
01:10:02.440particular election but if it's like now we're starting to pull them on other candidates or
01:10:07.040other issues or whatever and the trend is still holding yeah and that actually says something
01:10:11.880about the people themselves that this 18 to 24 year old group might actually might actually be
01:10:18.600a little bit based i'll give you a data point to instagram which is very young skewed platform
01:10:22.760and I'm not I don't even have the app on my phone but I spend a little bit of time on it
01:10:26.540and my goodness you should see and I'm not talking like a very small account put something up that's
01:10:32.440edgy we're talking hundreds of thousands not of views of likes likes on some of the greatest
01:10:38.040disrespect to the post-war consensus I've ever seen so it's a young platform full of young people
01:10:43.000in the hundreds of thousands with their full name most of them just being like yep like that
01:10:48.120well that's because they do a liked show they don't have anything to lose like they do so if
01:10:51.740I have a friend like follow them I could just say oh my friend like this my friend like this it's
01:10:56.040anonymous like if you like something you know yeah yeah but so you're saying with your full name in
01:11:00.420the profile and your like is going to be seen by other people and I typically those that follow
01:11:05.440there's a lot of different content that you're referencing but there was one in particular that
01:11:08.720you and I both you know for for the purpose of cultural research we looked into but it was like
01:11:12.980this short little like 15 second clip Michael and it was like a clip of like um uh of the planet
01:11:19.620like earth you know zoomed out from like a satellite viewpoint and just missiles shooting
01:11:24.400you know from one nation like it's just surrounded by mission nuclear holocaust and nuclear holocaust
01:11:29.200and it's all like every country's just exploding and lighting up and uh and then the caption was
01:11:34.240all because the austrian painter didn't finish the job and 470,000 likes the point is not whether
01:11:41.360you know whether or not like oh and i agree with that but the point is 470,000 likes with people's
01:11:46.460name show right right i've talked to friends from church who say that friends from college
01:11:50.720they'll be scrolling through and they'll see oh he liked this wow like completely like unrelated
01:11:55.380they're not talking or trying to red pill them right oh my goodness everywhere that's happening
01:12:00.280it's crazy yeah well you know what i noticed about that age group that demographic 18 to 24 now
01:12:05.120by 24 you presumably college but a lot of these guys are they're pre-college right and um by the
01:12:12.120time you're the 24 to 29 or 30 like they went through college four years ago four years ago
01:12:18.020that's a good point yeah so yeah i i bet you yeah i i didn't think of that so i bet college is
01:12:23.260certainly probably a factor but then i also think you're right and just the sense of um at the time
01:12:29.520for the 25 to 29 year olds at the time that they were teenagers and in these formative years
01:12:34.040that's uh that was the time was like you you really were at kind of the left's high watermark
01:12:40.000yeah where they were you know they were uh they weren't quite as crazy but they had tons of power
01:12:45.180yep but the but the basic seed of like um expressing yourself you know and people want
01:12:52.160to tie you down make you something that you're not and blah blah like that was kind of at its
01:12:55.960zenith whereas you know the 18 to 24 year olds you think of like when the left's high watermark
01:13:01.740was i i think of like 2013 to like 2020 you know so for them if my math is right that'd be like
01:13:09.120you know anywhere from five to 13 years ago let's split the difference and call it you know
01:13:13.560eight or nine years ago so if you're you know 18 to 24 today and let's put the difference there and
01:13:18.580say you're 21 and and now you're going back nine years you were 12 yep and you probably you know
01:13:24.580what i mean like you just that you probably weren't quite old enough for that to be ingrained
01:13:29.760as your ethos your mantra in all of life but you witnessed firsthand covid so i know many young men
01:13:35.340they're about 25 now. So they were finishing up college their last year of golf, their last year
01:13:40.360of in-person studies, their graduation was robbed from them. Your graduation got canceled. And then
01:13:45.340they opened the blind and they watched as black lives matter proceeded uninterrupted to burn the1.00
01:13:49.620city down. So they locked all these kids home, brought them back. They sat at home getting1.00
01:13:53.960radicalized, watched and got even more radicalized with the riots. I would think that's a big part
01:13:58.860two of your 18 to 24. Like I want nothing to do with this. And that demographic because of
01:14:05.200the condition of the economy and just because they're young like they are i would imagine that
01:14:11.420they don't mind having their real names on instagram because they don't have anything to
01:14:14.420lose right they don't have a career that they can get fired from like they and they just they're
01:14:19.860done they're they're done with it yep good points um any final thoughts this is a great episode no
01:14:25.080um the only thing um uh that i'll say and then i'll hand it over to you guys for any last thoughts
01:14:29.800It's just I am very interested to see what happens with both parties.
01:14:35.220The focus in this episode was the Democratic Party.
01:14:38.840What who will win out, whether the establishment will be able to quell the young kind of rowdy folk or whether the ideological, the younger groups in each party are going to kind of win the day, hold sway.
01:14:52.580if they do this is my last comment i don't know that like the 18 to 24 year olds and the 24 year
01:15:01.280old to 29 year olds have a lot of loyalty to the party yep and what is interesting to me is the
01:15:09.340idea that possibly if the ideologues win and i'm i'm not trying to use that term pejoratively just
01:15:15.240as a shorthand if the more ideological young gen z people win in the republican party or in the
01:15:20.420Democratic Party actually don't know that there's going to be a lot of interest in holding one
01:15:25.960monolithic party together. So it'll be interesting to see what happens going forward. Yeah, here's
01:15:31.100my prediction. I've been thinking about it for a while. Donald Trump is actually a great example
01:15:36.240because, you know, he's a 1990s liberal Democrat from New York. Like he was a Democrat forever
01:15:40.780and only, you know, joined the GOP later in life, you know, and like he's, I think he's like
01:15:49.140130 140 years old right close to so like i mean he was a democrat for like 120 years and just
01:15:55.620became you know a republican in the last decade and uh i'm pretty sure that that is in the
01:16:02.140constitution i assume that's in the constitution there shall be no president of these united states
01:16:06.740who's not over 100 years old something like that i'm pretty sure now that said i appreciate trump
01:16:11.580and he's the most vigorous 130 year old i've ever seen certainly more than joe biden but joe biden
01:16:17.200was like 190 years old so anyways all that being said my point is you can switch teams that's my
01:16:22.500point of bringing up trump i think that's well established you can be democrat team for you know
01:16:26.900i'll speak you know accurately now for 70 years or 60 years um and then switch over you know for
01:16:33.600your last couple decades of life and so we know that you can switch teams whether it's trump or
01:16:38.220whether it's elon musk or whether it's this person or that person there's you know so many examples
01:16:42.140of that glenn youngkin wasn't he you know like a democrat for a long time and i think he switched
01:16:46.820over interesting uh he was a governor in virginia yeah i'm not sure if he was former democrat though
01:16:51.460but they're having cases of uh rfk tulsi gabbard exactly so plenty of examples so my prediction
01:16:57.300with that being the case and i think it's pretty well established especially um as of late that you
01:17:03.520can switch teams from you know democrat to republican i think if that's the case i think
01:17:08.680we could eventually see you know uh the reverse effect and so uh what i mean is i think that um
01:17:15.060i think the tide is turning i think that um that that leftists that democrats you know they um
01:17:22.860they they didn't shoot the radicals you know we always talk about how that in a lot of ways that
01:17:27.920was a strength for a while but ultimately the fact that they were not willing to uh turn on
01:17:33.880their radicals the radicals have now made them untouchable right and um and i don't think that
01:17:39.660like it's one thing to use your radicals but at this point the radicals are actually steering the
01:17:43.540ship and and i don't i don't think they get it back so what what i predict is i really think
01:17:49.340that like it's i think it's kind of like maga has won the day i mean it's just it's maga you know
01:17:55.320and so i think what you'll probably get is um because what we established at the outset i think
01:18:00.360you're right michael the democrat party you know the oldest party in the world is not going to go
01:18:04.660away in in terms of just it's a label it's name our two-party system those kinds of i don't think
01:18:09.060we're getting a third party i think that's that's a little naive and even um a waste of time to work
01:18:14.680towards that you know like get your three percent you know with the libertarian you know training
01:18:19.460party or whatever you know as long as they stay off my my lawn um so i think we're going to stick
01:18:24.400to the two-party system it's going to be democrat it's going to be gop and that's not going to0.95
01:18:28.880change but i but i got a feeling that uh maggot just was kind of like this all-encompassing black
01:18:35.900hole that just has sucked everything into and is continuing to do so and so i've got a feeling
01:18:41.220betterment kind of yeah so i got a feeling that you're probably what what democrats will maybe
01:18:47.080not this next cycle because they're a little slow on the uptake but eventually i think what they
01:18:51.680will probably end up running on is kind of the the left wing of maggot that will be their so0.95
01:18:58.640So they'll be running on Sikh prayers, you know, and, and gay, but not too gay, you know,0.98
01:19:05.800like we love gays, you know, and just be kind of quiet, LGB, try anything, LGB, right.0.96
01:22:59.680I think the takeaway is not, so it's very easy, and I think they are in disarray, but we are not rolling into San Francisco and getting a base city council.
01:24:14.160Make the red parts of the country as red as possible while they're on their heels, while they have no message, while they're struggling to fund candidates.