The NXR Podcast - THE LIVESTREAM - Will The US Get Involved in Iran？｜ WW3 On The Horizon？

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00:00:26.800 Over the weekend, you saw the headlines as Israel struck Iran in a surprise attack after

00:00:35.820 negotiations over Iran's supposed nuclear program broke down. For Israel, Iran poses an existential 0.58

00:00:43.840 threat if they develop nuclear capabilities, while Iran views Israel as an illegitimate state 0.90

00:00:51.240 and stands in solidarity with the Mohammedans occupying Palestine. This conflict has been 0.61

00:00:57.500 raging since 1979, and Friday's escalation is merely the next chapter in an ancient blood

00:01:04.960 feud. But more than Israel fears Iran's nuclear capabilities, Israel fears losing the support

00:01:12.200 of the West. Support for Israel has been on the decline since October 7, 2023. Younger

00:01:20.420 evangelicals are more indifferent, and nationalist sentiments against foreign aid have already

00:01:26.760 stranded Ukraine just five months into Trump's presidency. With the exception of their intelligence

00:01:33.340 operations, Israel's military is relatively small and underpowered. In short, they desperately need

00:01:41.520 the U.S. and the E.U. to see their war against Iran as justified and for them to join the fray. 0.69

00:01:50.140 And so, President Donald Trump is facing the most important test of his presidency thus far. 0.60

00:01:56.480 The Middle East is the graveyard of kingdoms. Twenty years and three trillion dollars failed

00:02:02.760 to achieve a stable government in Iraq. If we are dragged into another war, the benefits will be 1.00

00:02:10.000 practically negligible for us, and the downsides almost infinite. Will Trump rip the band-aid off

00:02:17.700 and make the U.S. finally be done playing international peacemaker? This episode is

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00:02:49.860 most important developments in the Middle East since October 7th.

00:03:02.600 All right, so you know that this is an important issue. Welcome back. We just got back

00:03:07.760 from the New Christendom Conference in Ogden, Utah.

00:03:11.420 And that was a blessing.

00:03:12.240 Got to hang out with a lot of friends.

00:03:13.900 You guys are not allowed to leave again

00:03:15.140 if this is the sort of thing that's going to happen.

00:03:16.520 Yeah, I know.

00:03:16.960 So we're over there.

00:03:17.740 Our conference happened, the Carmelo Anthony thing.

00:03:19.300 That's right.

00:03:19.920 So if it's conference weekend,

00:03:21.360 if it's conference weekend.

00:03:22.060 You need to short, nothing ever happens.

00:03:23.700 Yeah, seriously.

00:03:24.420 Yeah, exactly.

00:03:25.180 If there is a conference happening

00:03:27.060 from Right Response or New Christendom,

00:03:29.160 then go ahead and put in some puts on the S&P,

00:03:31.980 you know, or the SPY or something like that.

00:03:34.420 So yeah, so we were there having a good time,

00:03:37.020 hanging out with all of our Ogden buddies and Andrew Isker was there and CJ and Dr. Wolf and

00:03:41.800 the gang's all there and having a great time and meeting with a lot of you that support this

00:03:47.480 ministry and have been friends to us. And on Friday, boom, and boom is probably an accurate

00:03:53.200 description. That's absolutely what happened. Yep. So Israel, you know, they launched missiles

00:03:58.940 and from, you know, it was all kind of in real time. We're figuring out, you know,

00:04:03.980 what's actually going on uh the more that we've discovered it doesn't seem like they actually

00:04:08.800 really targeted it certainly not exclusively nuclear operations in iran uh what they were

00:04:15.420 primarily targeting was the leadership right in iran so you know so that the to make the argument

00:04:22.120 or the justification that you know we're taking out you know iran's you know nuclear missiles

00:04:26.820 because it's a danger to us but really you know we did you a favor united states it was a danger to

00:04:32.920 you and you were their true target you know and it's kind of i was telling west right before we

00:04:37.360 started recording it's almost like bibby netanyahu is using donald trump's rhetoric uh that won him

00:04:44.740 the 2016 election that he that he used with the american people bibby is using it on donald trump

00:04:50.080 himself so remember you know one of the the most quintessential lines uh that donald trump used

00:04:55.960 back in the day was um uh the left speaking of democrats the left they're not coming after me

00:05:01.500 they're coming after you american people salt of the earth blue collar people and i just happen to

00:05:06.320 be standing in the way and that's kind of the rhetoric the line of reasoning that netanyahu

00:05:10.400 and israel is using towards trump in the united states well uh iran you know uh they're not really

00:05:16.120 coming after israel they don't mind us we're peaceful people in the nation state of israel

00:05:20.340 they're really coming after you all of the west let's play this video from like two hours ago 0.94

00:05:24.720 and we're just standing in the way and so we're taking out their nuclear missiles doing you a 0.51

00:05:28.300 favor but really they're taking out the leadership uh and targeting them and i the last thing i'm

00:05:33.480 going to say real quick and we'll watch the video but i i had uh you know it's an important topic

00:05:37.300 um when uh you can tweet two sentences and not even necessarily feel like it was you know your

00:05:43.900 best tweet as all viral tweets are you know you always feel like i don't even know if i fully

00:05:48.780 agree with what i just said there i i'd send out a tweet that on friday just i wanted to say

00:05:53.800 something and then and then i you know just left my phone wasn't paying attention went to the

00:05:57.420 conference you know i'm shaking hands and kissing babies and meet with all of you having a grand

00:06:01.980 old time and then uh just just the next day i look at it and it's i think now it's at like

00:06:06.740 two million views over 40 000 likes uh daryl cooper martyr made he retweeted ian carroll

00:06:13.560 of course ian carroll retweeted he was like joel said something negative about israel i'm retweet

00:06:17.960 carroll was probably awake 48 hours that's right he was tweeting every five seconds that dude was

00:06:25.060 cooking god bless him uh but anyways it's a really big deal and yeah uh west let's go ahead and show

00:06:29.980 that let me just even show the president of israel saying this let's roll clip one it's tel aviv

00:06:33.880 tomorrow it's new york uh i look i understand america first i don't understand america dead

00:06:39.120 that's what these people want they chant death to america so we're doing something that is in

00:06:44.160 the service of mankind of humanity and it's a battle of good against evil america does should

00:06:50.980 and does stand with the good that's what president trump trump is doing and i deeply appreciate his

00:06:56.680 support counterpoint there's a 3 000 mile ocean between us and iran yeah and they live in the 0.94

00:07:05.280 stone age yeah yeah they i mean they're gonna nuke us we're talking about muslims like and i want to 1.00

00:07:11.280 get this out there from the outset just in case because you guys know we give israel a hard time 1.00

00:07:15.260 and honestly i i feel like i'm always holding back and we're going soft um israel is is not our 0.86

00:07:22.480 ally they are not our friend that said neither are muslims okay so i just want to set the record 0.69

00:07:28.220 straight we have our problems with judaism we have our problems with the nation state of israel that 0.81

00:07:32.940 we think in many ways was artificial and only exist because of the west and it's one thing if 0.76

00:07:38.280 we help them get started but now we'll take it from here they are literally they've been propped

00:07:42.140 up for 75 years by the west if we get out they're done right and so any nation state many people

00:07:47.860 have said this many guys who are more moderate you know than i am have have made you know the

00:07:52.800 comment michael we were talking about this right before we hit record uh but have made the comment

00:07:56.780 if any nation not just israel any nation for that matter if its entire existence is is completely

00:08:03.540 dependent on another nation outside of itself then it's not a legitimate nation state and so

00:08:09.580 um so all that being said uh my my point is yes we have problems with israel that's that's one of 0.99

00:08:15.800 our problems why why why is why are we forever perpetually bound to give them you know billions 0.82

00:08:22.500 of dollars and and fight their wars and all this kinds of stuff things when this is not a mutual

00:08:27.320 relationship and we certainly have problems with the false religion of judaism that said 0.57

00:08:31.840 we have massive problems with muslims we are no fans of islam we're no and they hate america he 0.99

00:08:38.300 is correct that they do hate america to america absolutely the muslim perspective is america is 1.00

00:08:44.120 the great satan right and israel is the little satan yes yep so there is uh absolutely some 0.75

00:08:49.720 truth to that so i want to say that from the outset this is not a defense of islam this is 0.87

00:08:53.640 not a defense of hamas um this you know that that's not our position our position is like

00:08:59.160 the godzilla king kong kind of thing let them fight you know it's not our fight let's uh but

00:09:04.380 but here's the deal when when bibi says like they hate america and i'm just standing in the way and

00:09:10.720 protecting you you know i i'm selfless and israel is just looking out for you america yeah right

00:09:16.000 because here's the deal um here's one of the things that i know to be true about muslims

00:09:20.440 you can study the crusades you can read into it it's like oh you know well this uh the the turks

00:09:25.740 or the muslims or this group or that group um they uh they they have this incredible innovation

00:09:30.340 they invented crossbows or this incredible military strategy or look at this the scientific

00:09:37.980 discoveries that they made later or look one of their great philosophers literally every you talk

00:09:43.340 about every single time okay well this is every single time that applies to muslims every single

00:09:47.480 time when you actually look into it and there's some great muslim philosopher from you know the

00:09:52.060 1300s oh it actually was a a christian or i gotta be honest here or a jewish yep um guy who was

00:10:01.260 captured in one of their conquests and taken captive and forced to become a muslim at at the 0.78

00:10:08.080 threat of the the sword and then did incredible intelligent things so that said muslims on their 0.99

00:10:13.740 own not talking about when muslims capture christians and make them you know their their 0.98

00:10:17.760 engineer by force or capture jews muslims themselves apart from capturing western people 0.99

00:10:24.900 to do you know their dirty work for them muslims themselves the 3 000 mile ocean this is my whole 0.99

00:10:31.040 point the reason why that's so significant is how far can you audience listening how far can you 1.00

00:10:36.000 throw a rock because that's what we're up against right i don't buy it oh they're they're they're a

00:10:43.140 a nuclear powerhouse that we have been told for years even decades that they are right on the

00:10:52.840 cusp of and i'm not saying there's no nuclear thing going on at all of course they want a

00:10:57.640 nuclear weapon yes of course they want it right uh just like just like once upon a time they

00:11:02.840 wanted crossbows right you know and they had to get a christian to invent it for him and take 0.95

00:11:08.080 them captive because no Muslim was going to be able to invent a crossbow. Why? Well, that seems 0.99

00:11:13.660 kind of rude. No, because they're Muslims. And Muslims, Islam is a false religion, and it denies 1.00

00:11:21.640 the truth of God's world. And when you deny the truth of God's world, guess what? You're not very 1.00

00:11:26.780 successful. You're not very successful. And so, no, I do not think that Iran is this huge global

00:11:33.420 threat to someone 3,000

00:11:35.660 miles away like

00:11:37.120 the United States. So I don't buy it

00:11:39.320 when Netanyahu says, I'm protecting you.

00:11:41.740 Do you know who does have an estimated 300 nuclear warheads?

00:11:43.440 And who has never actually signed a nuclear

00:11:45.440 treaty to not increase or

00:11:47.320 to transfer their weapons?

00:11:49.200 Does it with immunity? Israel.

00:11:51.840 Israel has.

00:11:53.180 The estimates are varied because they have,

00:11:55.160 you can put this quote up, Nate, if you can find it.

00:11:57.700 They're not supposed to have weapons.

00:11:59.280 There's this huge international treaty, like 191

00:12:01.400 nations have signed. We'll get to this in a minute.

00:12:03.300 The goal of this episode is just to kind of inform you.

00:12:05.540 So as you're thinking about it, you have all of the pieces, all of the history, what's really going on,

00:12:09.980 just so you can informally speak to someone who says, no, I think we should support them.

00:12:13.720 So you can calmly, rationally, and factually explain, we don't have a lot of interest in the Middle East.

00:12:18.600 But going back to Israel, well, they could be on the cusp of nuclear warheads, this, that, or the other.

00:12:23.160 Well, there's someone who does have warheads in the Middle East, hundreds of them. 0.95

00:12:26.920 And we help pay for it. 0.95

00:12:28.000 And we help pay for it.

00:12:29.020 And they refuse to sign any treaty, which bars them from transferring them, which bars

00:12:33.660 them from increasing their stockpile.

00:12:35.240 And they even use it as a bargaining chip.

00:12:37.960 It's called the Samson option, where they're deliberately ambiguous about how much nuclear

00:12:42.320 power they have. 0.65

00:12:43.280 If you don't come and protect us, we'll blow up the whole world.

00:12:44.500 That's what the Samson, remember Samson in the Bible, it's like one last time. 0.93

00:12:48.180 He's been captured by the Philistines.

00:12:49.720 His eyes have been plucked out. 0.56

00:12:50.860 One last time, he humbles himself and asks the Lord, because the Philistines have this 0.90

00:12:55.000 big party happening and they drag out samson you know this hero of israel that they've captured 0.92

00:12:59.920 and conquered to mock him and to make fun of him throw tomatoes at him and all that kind of stuff

00:13:04.140 and so he comes out blind eyes are plucked out and he prays to the lord give me strength one

00:13:10.020 last time to defeat and crush my enemies and he puts his arms on the two pillars that are holding

00:13:15.160 up this this big plaza that all the philistines are gathered underneath and god supernaturally 0.84

00:13:19.740 gives him that strength one more time and he pushes the pillars and it kills him and everybody 0.63

00:13:24.860 else that's the samson option that israel has like what they're saying is um if you don't defend us

00:13:30.720 and we get cornered where we can't win uh then we take our ball and go home and when we say

00:13:37.000 we take our ball we're saying we take the whole planet uh the football represents the planet

00:13:43.720 earth like we will hit nukes on everyone on you on everyone and so so there's that um the fact

00:13:50.400 that they have impunity in terms of how they can use their nuclear operations uh no no accountability

00:13:55.540 in addition that i said you know we help fund them but it's interesting that even the way that

00:14:00.180 we fund them and i know you guys are probably aware of this um and others have done great work

00:14:04.700 on this to to you know to uncover it and reveal it but the way that we fund them a lot of you know

00:14:09.300 we fund a lot of nations, but it's usually through some kind of form of charity. But in the case of

00:14:13.940 Israel, it actually comes in the form of a loan. And the reason why is because whenever we give it

00:14:18.920 as charity, then we reserve the right to know how it's spent. But in the case of Israel, with our

00:14:24.400 X amount of billions of dollars that we annually give to Israel, Israel takes that as a loan so

00:14:30.060 that they can remain anonymous. They don't have to report how it's being spent, what they're

00:14:37.000 developing and then with that loan what they do is they take a portion of it uh to develop you

00:14:42.420 know their military and these kinds of things and weaponry and then another portion and come

00:14:46.120 right back around and buy u.s treasury notes and then earn interest so we're literally giving but

00:14:52.080 the thing with america is they take it as a loan but we forgive the loan so we treat it in terms of

00:14:57.260 financial liability there's no financial liability we give it as a loan so that they don't have to

00:15:01.660 declare what they're spending it as but then we forgive the loan um so it virtually is a charity

00:15:06.880 except we don't get the paper trail we don't get any intel on how they're spending it and they take

00:15:11.580 a portion of it that we gave them for free and buy our treasury notes and make interest off of

00:15:17.540 our money that's the most jewish thing i've ever heard it's incredible let me get to uh it's

00:15:21.640 incredible two pieces of info here now if you could pull up quote number four i'll just start

00:15:25.080 reading it uh this is from a 2001 book on israel's nuclear opacity israel refuses to confirm or deny

00:15:31.760 it as nuclear weapons or to describe how it would use them, a policy of deliberate ambiguity

00:15:37.060 known as nuclear ambiguity or nuclear opacity. This has made it difficult for anyone outside

00:15:42.100 of the Israeli government to describe the country's true nuclear policy definitively

00:15:46.780 while still allowing Israel to influence, this is key, influence the perceptions, strategies,

00:15:51.860 and actions of other governments. So they know they have nukes, they don't know how much, 0.62

00:15:56.060 they use it as a bargaining chip. However, over the years, some Israeli leaders have publicly

00:15:59.600 acknowledge their country's nuclear capability. And then let's pull up that last image that I sent

00:16:04.160 just for a comparison of effectiveness and GDP. So this is your map, just for the record, you know,

00:16:09.960 in case, all right, you're talking about Iran, could you point it out on a map? Here it is,

00:16:13.900 huge country, you've got two countries in between it, right there, one of them being Iraq, one to

00:16:18.640 the south being Afghanistan. So you've got Iran over there, you have Israel much smaller. As far

00:16:23.360 as the GDP goes, just for some kind of context of comparability, Israel has about $500 billion

00:16:27.720 annual GDP. Iran has about 400 billion. The size of the population though, Iran is 10 times as

00:16:34.640 populous. So Iran has a population of around 91 million. Israel has a population of close to

00:16:40.600 10 million. The religious makeup, obviously Israel is majority Jewish, 74%, 21% Muslim,

00:16:46.000 5% others. That's including about 5% Christians, Arab, Arab Christians, Iran, 99% Muslim. And then

00:16:52.920 even as far as total military personnel, Israel's smaller in this count. We alluded to it in the

00:16:57.180 cold open 634 uh 634 000 active duty personnel compared to close to a million for iran and so

00:17:04.860 iran is bigger it has 10 times as many people and it is pretty much equivalent as far as its

00:17:10.580 economic output as far as its military personnel we are not dealing with a first world power yeah

00:17:15.880 this is a poor country right yep yeah let's get into some of the context of why israel kind of

00:17:20.920 maintains this defense again to give you kind of an idea of really the difficulty that they've

00:17:24.780 encountered since declaring their independence in 1948 you can pull that image right back up Nate

00:17:29.400 this is on the right what's called the axis of resistance and so the Muslims have not been happy

00:17:34.120 with Israel since they were established and a big part of that is not necessarily anti-western

00:17:39.800 sentiment although that exists but it's solidarity with the Mohammedans so this is with the Muslims

00:17:45.120 that existed in Palestine in the Gaza Strip that existed prior to Israel buying lots of land coming

00:17:51.260 in i mean israel literally just showed up and they uh they declared themselves a state they

00:17:55.920 rolled in the un it was uh it was between britain and the un they basically kind of just said well

00:18:01.940 we're relinquishing control of this plot of land israel declared themselves they had a connection

00:18:06.700 president truman himself minutes after israel declared itself to be a state he had u.s foreign

00:18:12.060 policy they recognized president truman came out he said i recognize the state of israel so that's

00:18:17.280 I was born in 1948. And what that engendered over the years, what's what's called the axis of

00:18:21.420 resistance. And so what you have here on the screen is just a graph of all these different,

00:18:25.940 really, they're all terrorist groups. So these are you have Hezbollah up in the north Lebanese,

00:18:30.640 you have Hamas, you have tons of other smaller ones we don't know much about the Houthi rebels

00:18:35.280 down there at the lower part of the canal. And then of course, Iran, Hezbollah and Afghanistan.

00:18:40.860 And so Israel has been since its inception, 1948, the modern state of Israel, the true Israel is, 0.51

00:18:46.060 of course, the church. But the modern state of Israel that calls itself Israel, they have been 0.52

00:18:49.900 surrounded by Muslims since their inception and fought at least eight major conflicts, some of

00:18:55.480 them being some pretty big wars where they were attacked by Egypt, Syria combined. And so

00:19:00.120 practically speaking, I absolutely recognize that Israel has a very vested interest in its military

00:19:06.000 and maintaining its borders and maintaining a strong military presence. If we're being honest,

00:19:11.080 their intelligence operations are incredible incredible probably remember the uh the pager

00:19:15.400 incident from 20 i think it was 2024 through the infiltrating the supply chain planted explosive

00:19:20.560 putty in tons of pagers this was hezbollah lebanese terrorists blew them all at the same time i think

00:19:26.540 killing more than a thousand of them yeah and just crippling crippling communications crippling of

00:19:32.140 course their workforce their command all of that and so that's what they did on friday also yeah

00:19:37.520 I mean, like, Iran couldn't really even mount a counter.

00:19:41.820 Right, not for a little while. 0.93

00:19:43.040 For a little while because they were just completely scrambled.

00:19:45.640 They cut all of their communications and everything.

00:19:47.500 Wes, Knowles today said that those groups that you mentioned, Hezbollah and the Houthi, are largely proxies for Iran.

00:19:57.520 Yep.

00:19:58.100 Would you agree with that?

00:19:58.760 That's how I would certainly understand it to be. 0.76

00:20:00.260 So Hamas that attacked Israel on October 7th, it's understood to be, same thing, Iranian proxies. 0.67

00:20:06.620 So the funding, the weaponry, always coming through that.

00:20:10.240 And this has been since 1979.

00:20:12.280 And it's funny, we talked about it earlier today, but Iran was a constitutional monarchy up till 79.

00:20:18.120 And they weren't Christian or anything like that.

00:20:19.880 And it was for sure authoritarian, as monarchs tend to be.

00:20:23.640 But it was actually in 79 that there was an Islamic revolution, and that led to the Islamic Republic of Iran.

00:20:28.660 And that has literally been—

00:20:29.700 I'm sure we had nothing to do with that.

00:20:31.020 The CIA, I know, helped with a revolution in, I think it was 63. 0.75

00:20:34.960 and it's funny it was a lot of it was very clear even just researching that a lot of women were 0.97

00:20:39.500 involved like this was a very like pro-right pro-expansion right we're going to get an islamic

00:20:43.920 republic but it's literally been since 79 that there has then been this hostility and if you go

00:20:48.320 and read through the encounters there's tons of different wars so once they shifted from monarchy

00:20:52.200 to being a republic then all of a sudden there's a ton of wars tons of wars to give billions israel

00:20:58.360 hates them that's at least with iran that's how it played out so we'll hit our first commercial 0.60

00:21:03.280 So Mike, when we come back, we're going to talk about Iran's nuclear capabilities and really what sparked all of this. 0.94

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00:24:42.020 so Wes was saying uh just a little bit earlier before we went to our first commercial break that

00:24:48.320 i'm in a nutshell so when you look at israel and iran iran is 10 times the size in terms of you

00:24:54.620 know the population uh but pretty comparable actually a little bit lower in terms of their

00:24:59.240 gdp their wealth lower uh-huh and uh but then in terms of their standing you know active military

00:25:04.780 uh it's you know iran it looks like it's about 50 percent highest in the 900 thousands you know

00:25:10.800 close to a million and then uh israel you know closer to like 500 000 or six i thought it was

00:25:15.500 693 yeah 693 yeah so maybe 40 percent higher on iran's you know standing army but you know in a

00:25:22.160 pinch iran obviously is going to be able to get a lot more foot soldiers because they just have

00:25:26.980 more people but it really comes down to the wealth and how that translates to uh weaponry and

00:25:32.920 intelligence you know and uh technology and those kinds of things and when it comes you made a you

00:25:37.840 know throwaway comment but it's important you know speaking about um israeli intelligence uh

00:25:43.100 that it really is, from the little bit that I've looked into it,

00:25:46.580 the most superior in the world, rivaling our own.

00:25:50.380 And so that's where, and I'm going to throw this out,

00:25:53.040 not as a definitive statement, because I don't know,

00:25:55.260 but I'm curious just to hear what you guys think.

00:25:57.620 Obviously, October 7th was atrocious. 0.75

00:26:00.640 And I don't think that Israel did it.

00:26:02.600 I don't think that these are actually like Israeli spies,

00:26:05.840 you know, coming in on hang gliders, you know,

00:26:07.580 slaughtering their own people.

00:26:08.780 I don't think that.

00:26:09.540 um but i do struggle sometimes to believe knowing how advanced israeli intelligence is

00:26:16.980 um like i mean israel you know somebody probably high up in israel is listening to this podcast

00:26:23.200 right now you know they know everything i feel like they know everything and the fact that they

00:26:27.960 didn't see that coming when literally like they're gliding at like 0.05 miles per hour

00:26:33.560 you know like i mean you have just just from spotting the gliders in the sky you've got like

00:26:38.560 a day and a half to get there you know to you know to stop it and you're talking again the most

00:26:42.940 sophisticated intelligence um in the world i don't think they did it but i do struggle to believe

00:26:50.620 that they didn't have knowledge that this was happening and and when we look at what's going

00:26:55.840 on today is that not the perfect moral justification to just go in and glass another country that

00:27:02.820 you're worried about you know that that's might or might not be developing you know nuclear power

00:27:07.800 that they might turn those guns on you.

00:27:09.820 It's not going to get across.

00:27:11.000 They're not going to be able to mess with us 3,000 miles away. 0.95

00:27:13.820 But they can very much mess with Israel, 0.65

00:27:16.200 and Israel having this sense of urgency, 0.75

00:27:18.080 like we want to take them down preemptively to beat them to the punch. 0.95

00:27:23.260 But we know that the rest of the world is watching,

00:27:25.620 and we need some moral justification to do this,

00:27:27.920 and we're not going to hurt our own people.

00:27:30.200 We're not devising this,

00:27:31.440 but we have intel that they're going to come and hurt our people,

00:27:34.140 and we're just going to kind of sit this one out.

00:27:36.240 i have a perfect quote prepared there's an old saying never let a good tragedy go to waste right

00:27:42.020 let me just read this as context and again this is not making a definitive claim like you're right

00:27:46.080 they for sure did it they knew about it but listen to this context in 2023 because as americans we

00:27:51.120 just we don't pay attention to these things maybe rightfully so this is quote number one

00:27:54.980 benjamin netanyahu so president netanyahu was unpopular and facing political challenges before

00:28:00.640 the October 7, 2023 Hamas attacks. His coalition government, formed after the November 2022

00:28:06.160 election, was deeply divided due to its inclusion of ultra-nationalist and ultra-religious parties.

00:28:11.560 Large-scale protests erupted in early 2023 against his judicial reform plan, which critics argued

00:28:18.000 would undermine democracy by concentrating power in the government. Polls indicated significant

00:28:23.000 public dissatisfaction with his approval ratings, already battered by nearly a year of internal

00:28:27.760 conflict over the reforms. Additionally, Netanyahu faced ongoing corruption charges, including

00:28:32.340 bribery, fraud, and breach of trust, further eroding his credibility. While his coalition

00:28:36.900 held a majority in the Knesset, his political atmosphere was volatile and the leadership was

00:28:41.660 under scrutiny, though immediate ouster was not imminent. This is adapted from a New Yorker

00:28:46.320 article. So it is an objective statement of fact that prior to October 7th, so objective statement

00:28:51.940 one israel's incredible intelligence operations statement two benjamin netanyahu was for sure

00:28:59.540 him and his coalition government on the fritz and so i for sure think statement number three

00:29:06.200 israel would like to take out iran yes for sure they've always wanted a reason to do it

00:29:11.160 and they needed a reasoning planned it maybe probably not probably not knew about it i think

00:29:17.600 almost 100 percent because that has the title of that new york article new yorker article is

00:29:22.740 how widening israel's war saved benjamin netanyahu that event literally saved his presidency

00:29:28.580 yep let's pause i'm curious michael what do you think i i i think there is very likely that that

00:29:37.160 is the case i you guys know me i i like to speculate about nothing um but i know that

00:29:45.000 there are rumblings that this sort of thing has happened many times even possibly like uh the u.s

00:29:51.780 government knowing about the pearl harbor attacks before they happened i i'm one thing i'm confident

00:29:57.760 of is that people who know things will use what they know to further their cause or their war or

00:30:06.240 whatever it is and so um it the only thing i want to add here is it's it's maybe it's sometimes

00:30:15.460 more complicated i'm speaking in general terms here you have an intelligence asset that you

00:30:21.300 don't want to you know give away how you know these things for future strategic involvements

00:30:27.480 or things like that i'm sure that they used that attack for uh the purpose of netanyahu saving his

00:30:34.700 presidency um i'm it's likely that they knew things um i would be careful to say that it was

00:30:42.060 because that's a very i don't know it's very cold-hearted to say that i let you know 2 000

00:30:46.900 of my people be executed people you know yeah it's a big statement so which is why we did

00:30:51.560 caveat it by saying we're not definitively saying so but it is a little bit it's possible and it's

00:30:56.580 a little bit fishy uh what one thing i also want to ask both michael and wes and i know you've got

00:31:01.620 a lot west and we'll get to in just one second but um i have you know seen you know heard some

00:31:06.760 of the rumblings of people saying uh you know what this might be one of the times where trump

00:31:11.460 legitimately was playing some 40 chess uh because what we had you know part of the reason this was

00:31:16.360 such a surprise we were all surprised uh you know who was really surprised i ran right they were

00:31:22.680 definitely surprised surprised yeah that that seems pretty clear did you and part of the my

00:31:27.240 point is part of the reason they were surprised is because even in the global news cycle um we were

00:31:33.520 all kind of led to believe that there were peace negotiations they were going well that trump even

00:31:38.640 kind of like was like standing up against bibby you know and disagreeing with him and pushing back

00:31:44.560 because i like we did an episode you know where like their relationship seems to be a little bit

00:31:48.600 fractured and we were white pilling you know we were like yes w's in the chat w's in the chat you

00:31:53.260 know trump uh who is a zionist might you know might be uh at least have a personal petty

00:31:58.380 disagreement with bibby and that would be a good thing you know to at least get some distance

00:32:02.640 between us and another country that doesn't have to do with us and you know so but my my point is

00:32:07.800 i have heard some people piecing together as a theory that um that you know that all that was

00:32:13.500 kind of just a show um and that what it really was was uh uh trump had and trump validated this

00:32:20.840 a little bit uh they said like uh did did you know did you have a talk with israel you know about

00:32:26.060 uh blah blah blah um and he was like uh huh yeah and and so it seems as though it's at least

00:32:32.760 possible that uh not only was trump not pushing back against israel saying stand down you know

00:32:38.800 stand by and stand you know stand down stand by uh but did he instead of saying stand down and let

00:32:44.320 me you know figure this out and achieve peace in the middle east which he's done in the past

00:32:48.200 it could be that he was just saying that so that all of us would think that and especially iran

00:32:53.840 would think that so that they wouldn't be on guard and then uh and then knowing that israel

00:32:59.160 had this plan to try to take out you know their leadership or maybe some nukes or whatever

00:33:03.900 allegedly and that trump was kind of in on it yeah what do you guys think about i'll say two

00:33:08.680 things about it number one trump was talking about iran and a nuclear weapon even back in 2015 in

00:33:15.820 his presidential campaign leading up to getting elected. And so this has been something that he

00:33:21.240 has been saying he said through his whole first term. He said it in his campaign against Biden.

00:33:26.440 He's been saying it this entire time as a president. So this is not a new thing for him.

00:33:31.260 Whether or not the threat is real and urgent, it has been something Trump's been saying. It is

00:33:37.280 something that Trump has been saying for a while. Secondly, I don't know if you guys heard this,

00:33:42.000 But there was a news conference and the reporter asked something about the fact of, you know, if the U.S. was involved and Trump didn't say they were, but he said something to the effect of, well, we gave them 60 days to negotiate.

00:33:57.600 And on day 61, their whole leadership, the nuclear program leadership was blown up.

00:34:02.960 Right. And then the reporter asked, well, were you like, was that intentional or something like that?

00:34:07.420 And Trump said, well, they didn't die of the flu.

00:34:09.560 Right.

00:34:09.940 You know, so I don't know.

00:34:12.380 There's another 40 aspect to this where Trump has been worried about this for a while.

00:34:16.580 And maybe he played Bibby.

00:34:18.820 Yeah.

00:34:19.440 You know, I don't know.

00:34:20.740 I see.

00:34:21.340 No.

00:34:21.860 What do you think?

00:34:22.580 The messaging from the White House has been honestly schizophrenic.

00:34:25.700 Yeah.

00:34:25.880 So this is just 20 minutes ago from I-24 News.

00:34:28.960 It's a Middle Eastern news outlet.

00:34:30.560 U.S. planning to join Israel's campaign against Iran, according to U.S. official.

00:34:34.420 and then another headline preparations are reportedly being made to allow the u.s to join

00:34:39.240 the attack if trump gives the green light again according to i24 news now that's one of probably

00:34:44.980 10 other headlines that have read something similar and then you've heard him say like this

00:34:49.700 isn't our war we need to stay out of it and that is a tactic to say i'm going to say one thing i'm

00:34:54.740 going to say another thing you do not have to if you are asked did you and just top top top top

00:34:59.880 secret officials carefully collude in a plan you have no obligation to be like well i need to be

00:35:05.560 forthcoming and transparent so he will say whatever uh what really matters is what we do

00:35:10.020 but the second we have u.s fighters and the second especially u.s troops boots on the ground i mean

00:35:15.720 all of that is dispelled anyway until it happens right we are not in the war at least on paper

00:35:20.520 objectively in the eyes of the public and hopefully we never are yeah and hopefully we never are but

00:35:25.980 objectively um it does look like we appear to have some involvement in it let's get to why we need to

00:35:32.920 be involved so the big concern has been right iran's nuclear program this has been something

00:35:37.300 since i think around the 90s you're not saying why we should be involved in the war right

00:35:40.160 this is for it this is well this is why we're having this conversation in the first place

00:35:45.100 so there's an agency called the international atomic energy agency the iaea and like i said

00:35:53.800 191 nations this was inaugurated in i think it was 1970 and it's been renewed since it's fully

00:35:59.940 in effect and there is a treaty in there called the nuclear non-proliferation treaty and so

00:36:04.840 basically countries that have nukes get to keep them so this is not saying like all right yep if

00:36:10.080 you had nukes at that point when you signed on we're not here to come take them away but what

00:36:13.700 you agree is not to expand and not to transfer them around and then if nations don't have nuclear

00:36:19.420 capability they have an agreement this is important for iran they have an agreement not to develop

00:36:24.320 new nuclear capability so it's kind of aimed at let's all decrease our stockpile let's not build

00:36:29.800 any more and and this occupies first world countries the big superpowers we all have kind

00:36:35.900 of this uh we're hedging our bets just a little bit watch and see what everyone does but so far

00:36:40.940 it's been abided by but the thing that broke on june 12th the straw that broke the camel's back

00:36:45.960 was that the International Atomic Energy Agency declared Iran in breach of its obligations under the policy.

00:36:54.500 And this was the first time in almost 20 years that the Board of Governors made such a decision.

00:36:59.860 And so they essentially said since 2019, Iran has not been forthcoming.

00:37:03.940 Iran has not been clear.

00:37:05.340 They've not been complying.

00:37:06.860 We're finding radioactive traces of uranium, suggesting that they're enriching it.

00:37:11.520 They're not telling us why.

00:37:12.880 They're not telling us what it's from.

00:37:14.100 And so we have declared them in breach, essentially saying we think that they're developing nuclear capabilities.

00:37:19.280 Not saying they have it.

00:37:20.480 You're saying it seems like they have been doing it in circumvention of the treaty.

00:37:24.220 Exactly. 0.57

00:37:24.940 And what they'll say, so this is Iran's side of things, so you can hear the propaganda.

00:37:28.960 So they'll say, yes, we have all these things, but we're developing them for non-nuclear weapons. 0.65

00:37:33.820 And so they've been enriching weapons-grade uranium.

00:37:38.360 But they're insisting, like, okay, yeah, we've been doing that, but it's not for this.

00:37:42.060 And so then this agency and the Western world is coming in and saying, we know what you're going to do with that.

00:37:47.600 Like, oh, don't mind me.

00:37:48.940 I'm putting all the pieces for a bomb.

00:37:50.880 No, this is just for a submarine.

00:37:52.740 This is nuclear for just some type of nuclear power program. 0.91

00:37:55.840 But practically speaking, if I'm being honest, I think Iran is building nukes. 0.87

00:38:00.140 Now, will they get there? 0.80

00:38:01.740 On what time frame?

00:38:03.280 How good will they be?

00:38:04.560 How many will they have?

00:38:05.740 Will they use them?

00:38:06.720 Those are all questions into the future.

00:38:08.220 But practically speaking, they have about five sites where they're doing the type of activity that could absolutely support the creation of nuclear weapons.

00:38:15.960 Now, could you pull up that map that shows those five sites? 0.92

00:38:19.060 You mentioned and alluded to this earlier, Joel, the strikes that happened over the weekend mostly happened in Tehran.

00:38:27.120 So this is the capital of Iran.

00:38:30.760 It was strikes on the military leadership, military brass.

00:38:33.940 They've also threatened to assassinate.

00:38:36.240 It's called the Aitola, the prime minister, the president of Iran.

00:38:39.820 And then you have these five sites here.

00:38:41.420 And they hit two of them.

00:38:42.600 But if you look especially at Fordow and the Tans, these sites are deep underground. 0.90

00:38:49.020 There is no way Israel does not have the technology to actually destroy them. 0.89

00:38:52.980 It's like the bunker-busting missiles. 0.77

00:38:53.960 Exactly.

00:38:54.640 So Fordow in particular, it's an enrichment site dug into the side of a mountain. 0.89

00:38:59.140 Practically speaking, Israel does not have the technology, as good as they are, to get in there and actually blow it up. 0.52

00:39:04.500 So they bombed the civilians in Tehran.

00:39:06.580 It's about 200 to 300 casualties.

00:39:08.840 These are civilians, women and children that have been reported at this point.

00:39:12.140 But of these five sites here, they haven't been able to take any of them out.

00:39:15.760 Listen to this quote.

00:39:16.580 This is incredible.

00:39:17.460 Who could?

00:39:20.740 It's a flag with some stripes and some stars.

00:39:23.900 Listen to this quote.

00:39:24.720 This is quote number three, Nathan, from the former Israeli prime minister, Ehud Olmert.

00:39:29.820 He says this.

00:39:31.040 This is just publicly.

00:39:32.140 The Israeli Air Force doesn't have the power to prevent a nuclear bomb from Iran, and Israel does not have the military capability to penetrate the depths of Iranian bunkers.

00:39:41.900 Israel can only target roads or bridges, but lacks the actual equipment and ammunition to affect its nuclear program.

00:39:49.100 And so what you need to know, if you're thinking about this, you're weighing it, maybe even debating, be it with family members, like I don't think we have a role there. 0.71

00:39:56.320 Israel is at the behest of the West to actually destroy Iran's capabilities. 0.56

00:40:01.060 And so the decision, and we'll get to this in the last section, the decision is up to us whether we want to be involved or not. 0.78

00:40:07.180 Practically, they are probably building a bomb and they're probably going to build it.

00:40:11.300 Like that is a perfectly legitimate outcome.

00:40:14.040 So I'm not sitting here like, you know, George W. Bush, weapons of mass destruction.

00:40:17.700 I don't think there's anything there.

00:40:19.140 And there are some good parallels that we can get to in a minute.

00:40:21.560 But practically speaking, the only one who could do something about it is the U.S.

00:40:25.420 And that's such an important piece of it to know.

00:40:28.160 this is not about surgical targeted strike because we have just we're almost certain

00:40:33.980 that they've got uranium there they're building bombs they actually can't do anything about it 0.87

00:40:38.920 israel can't do anything israel can't do anything about so they need us the other thing to it's

00:40:46.100 under the heading of why we care but it's not the military question and west correct me if i'm wrong

00:40:51.520 because you did more research on this episode,

00:40:53.560 but from what I can tell,

00:40:56.420 the mullahs who are kind of the religious rulers in Iran

00:41:03.860 are somewhat in opposition

00:41:07.420 to maybe some of the more secular Iranian leadership.

00:41:10.800 And the mullahs are aligned politically

00:41:13.840 with China, Russia, Venezuela, North Korea,

00:41:19.360 whereas some of the more secular ones

00:41:21.300 are allied more with some of the western like like jordan um jordan is is is very western in a lot of

00:41:28.760 ways an ally of the west and so there's another if you get into the question of whether or not

00:41:34.280 america is an empire um there is an imperial game going on as well with elements of the iranian

00:41:41.920 leadership very much in cahoots with russia china venezuela things like this and others who are more

00:41:49.640 allied with western nations that are our allies and so there's there's a question of how non

00:41:56.940 interventionist an imperial power can afford to be and that's really the question that we

00:42:03.260 are seeing playing out all over the world in real time you know for a long time really and in the

00:42:09.400 cold war iran one of their sites if you read it carefully there they're using russian fuel to

00:42:14.220 to fuel their enrichment activities their nuclear activities iran was most certainly not siding with

00:42:20.140 the west they were behind the iron curtain right they were allied with communists they had many

00:42:23.940 it was in the 90s your tanks your weapons everything supplied by russia as a proxy war

00:42:28.520 so absolutely to your point that's what's difficult about this is you have russia and you have china

00:42:33.460 allied with some elements in iran right and i argued with dr joe boot a little bit on x because

00:42:38.260 he was like no this is this is about america and this is protecting our way of life and one of his

00:42:42.200 arguments was that uh if iran had nuclear weapons that russia could provide them with the supersonic

00:42:47.640 uh conventional means to deliver them internationally but practically russia already

00:42:53.240 has them so so it's not as though like all the whole you could call it the eastern world or the

00:42:59.100 old kind of soviet bloc the old cold war allies they're all just watching the countdown as iran

00:43:04.160 builds nuclear weapons they're like no way they're the first to do it russia has that capability if

00:43:09.160 they wanted to use iran as a proxy they already would you're saying they would just give it to

00:43:13.480 them practically speaking it's not as though iran would be the only ones to possess this capability

00:43:17.540 they would be the last ones to possess this capability because russia has a whole nuclear 0.57

00:43:21.600 arsenal from the cold war iran's beef and this goes back to how israel was founded they hate 0.97

00:43:27.320 israel because they stand against they're opposed to many of the muhammadans that just occupy

00:43:32.080 palestine and the gosna strip and they're close like this is not a super complicated

00:43:36.460 complicated calculus of exegesis of the quran which for the record like in the tiers of heretical

00:43:43.060 religious books quran is it's some slop it's not the talmud but i mean like uh the book of mormon

00:43:50.420 that is fine literature compared to the quran right imagine uh imagine 800 pages of terribly 0.95

00:44:00.080 written psalms from sand people right yeah it's not a narrative like if anyone's never picked one 1.00

00:44:04.240 not it's not it's not a narrative it's not systemic it's not structured yeah it's just

00:44:09.760 garbage so anyway israel's hate or iran's hatred for israel their hatred for the west it's not

00:44:15.480 complicated it's not diplomatic it isn't based on these complicated geopolitical arrangements 0.99

00:44:20.640 they hate israel because israel hates muslims they hate america because america supports israel

00:44:25.300 and their allies historically have been the russias and the chinas of the world that have

00:44:29.120 backed them through the cold war and new kid on the glock points out and i did read this new kid

00:44:34.400 He points out that whatever smoke screens are going on, the reports are saying that what Israel did actually did significantly hamper the nuclear development program.

00:44:46.980 Yep.

00:44:47.440 So if that was their stated goal, it seems like that goal at least, who knows what other goals behind the scenes are going on.

00:44:54.960 But that actually likely did do a number on their development program.

00:44:59.580 The reports I read, they damaged on the ground side of things.

00:45:01.700 So any enrichment facility, you're going to have a high ground-facing infrastructure, which they did strike.

00:45:06.500 Now, the majority of the strikes were still the capital.

00:45:07.400 And they knocked out a bunch of the leadership in that department.

00:45:09.920 Yep, absolutely.

00:45:10.700 Let's go to our last commercial break.

00:45:12.440 But when we come back, we're going to land the plane, some concluding thoughts, a little bit more information that Wesley has for us.

00:45:19.020 But we also want to deal with your questions.

00:45:20.700 I saw one really good question in the chat already.

00:45:23.740 But we are, just full disclosure, we're going to prioritize Super Chat.

00:45:28.940 So if you send us a super chat, then that greatly increases your chances of us being able to get to your question.

00:45:34.640 If we're able to, we'll get to all the questions, whether it's a super chat or not.

00:45:38.060 But the super chat gives you a better chance because we usually run out of time.

00:45:41.780 All right.

00:45:41.980 So start sending your questions.

00:45:44.320 Send it with a super chat if you're willing to do so.

00:45:47.100 We'll go to our last commercial.

00:45:48.220 We'll come back and we'll get some landing the plane thoughts, a little bit more information, and we'll deal with the questions.

00:45:53.300 Sounds good.

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00:49:25.420 all right we got breaking news so like 20 25 minutes ago or so i said that there were reports

00:49:32.560 this was from i-24 that uh that trump was getting ready they were getting ready to be prepared to go

00:49:37.700 to war on behalf of israel new breaking news came out 15 minutes ago we're so back breaking trump

00:49:43.340 administration tells allies it will not get involved in the war against iran unless iran

00:49:48.600 attacks americans so this is still the trump administration not trump himself on truth social

00:49:53.640 this report comes out as rumors are spreading trump greenlit the u.s joining the campaign

00:49:57.820 against iran there's nothing that suggests he's doing this so praise god my brother doesn't have

00:50:02.860 to die for israel my brother's still active duty army i mean those are the type of people that would

00:50:07.140 be going to make sure tel aviv can have its pride parade and i personally don't care i don't think 0.98

00:50:12.660 that's worth it but um please continue to pray that that's the case i think the best resolution

00:50:16.880 is no ground war and this fizzles out this happened about a year ago uh there was there

00:50:21.560 was an exchange of missiles between the two a couple hundred people died and honestly that

00:50:25.600 was that and so i think on both sides there's christians in israel uh for sure about five

00:50:30.540 percent christian arabs you have christians in israel true israel you have some a very small

00:50:35.720 persecuted church in iran five percent true israel inside of uh fake israel inside of 100

00:50:41.240 percent fake israel uh but no you my first and foremost care there isn't any of those countries

00:50:45.600 because they're not at all my people i have no relation to them i've never lived there none of

00:50:49.460 my ancestors did but as far as the christians that are there yeah we care about christians family we

00:50:54.300 don't want to see war and destruction uh come upon them and so pray that that's the case and let me 0.68

00:50:59.780 get to why i think uh we talked about this over the weekend joel why israel did it like struck

00:51:05.840 these sites struck the capital took out the entire military brass and it really does seem that support

00:51:10.980 for israel especially in the wake of october 7th and some of that is the brutality with which they

00:51:15.560 leveled the gaza strip so none of this is necessarily all theological as if americans

00:51:20.540 are just waking up they're getting rid of the dispensational theology but practically speaking

00:51:24.700 since october 7th and you can pull one of these the first chart up nate the support for israel

00:51:29.060 has been on the decline it's been on decline among democrats for sure we'll talk about in a couple

00:51:34.020 days always has how the revolutionaries very quickly you know they they catch on to something

00:51:39.180 rare democrat w rare democrat w uh so this is a chart this is feelings towards israel from the

00:51:46.760 chicago council on global affairs this is a survey from april just of this year april 2025

00:51:51.640 and you can literally see right there at 2023 the peak of about 58 overall so overall support for

00:51:59.320 israel rate your feelings towards them 100 being the highest zero being the lowest 58 high water

00:52:05.460 mark, only topped by 59 in about 2012, down to 50. So in two years, an 8% drop. Democrats, 51 to 41.

00:52:14.800 Republicans, 69 to 63. Those are all drops in about 7 to 10% of public support for Israel.

00:52:22.660 Let's go now to evangelicals, because evangelicals, practically speaking,

00:52:25.820 are some of the biggest supporters. And if you look at this poll, so this is from

00:52:29.960 comparing 2015 and 2018 it's a little bit older university of maryland brookings 18 to 34 is one

00:52:37.260 age group 35 is the other so 18 to 34 that's your blue if you're looking at the screen and then 35

00:52:43.300 and up that's your orange if you're looking on this looking at this screen the older crowd by

00:52:48.320 about 10 a little bit higher especially in 2018 they're much more likely to lean towards israel

00:52:54.400 So 22% of 18 to 34-year-olds, 32% of 35-year-olds.

00:52:59.600 And that's 2015.

00:53:01.700 In 2018, so 22% supported them in 2015, 16%, 18 to 34, 32%, this is individuals 35 and older,

00:53:12.180 32% in 2015, 29% in your 2018.

00:53:18.900 Increased by about 4% in the younger group of support for the Palestinians,

00:53:22.300 from 5% to 9%, from 1% to 3% in older individuals.

00:53:27.120 And so I think by every metric you have,

00:53:29.240 whether it's Democrat, Republican,

00:53:30.880 whether it's evangelicals, non-evangelicals,

00:53:33.420 young versus old, every single group,

00:53:36.480 we're just, and I think this,

00:53:38.100 sure, there's the theological points

00:53:39.740 about Israel and Judaism,

00:53:41.180 but it's also just the return of nationalism. 0.82

00:53:43.220 We're done caring about Ukraine.

00:53:44.640 We're done caring about Israel. 0.99

00:53:45.660 The last bar was don't prefer either way, right? 1.00

00:53:47.720 And that was super high.

00:53:48.180 And that's the biggest bar, yeah.

00:53:49.540 Yep, the biggest bar was I don't really care.

00:53:51.920 no west is right so like theologically is dispensationalism on the decline yes praise

00:53:57.180 god uh but but what we're looking at these numbers is the nation as a whole this is a lot 0.60

00:54:01.860 more than just you know the disbees you know starting to you know get cold feet about their

00:54:06.140 doctrine this this is what this represents is not just a theological shift as important as that is

00:54:11.760 that just doesn't represent enough people uh this this is the nation as a whole yeah not just disbees

00:54:17.780 but not even just christians or evangelicals or catholics this is the nation as a whole secular

00:54:22.520 people people who you know observe other religions the the whole country america as a whole is saying

00:54:28.760 no we're tired of being the global police at the cost of our tax dollars so saying well what's

00:54:33.820 changed um well what what's changed is people in our country can't afford to live they can't afford

00:54:40.160 to like when you can't get a house right then you yeah you're not going to be pro you know any

00:54:45.360 country you know like i don't want to send billions of dollars anywhere i don't want to do it and so

00:54:49.540 there really is with america and and not just america but el salvador and hungary and you know

00:54:54.460 all these places there really is kind of like this global return to nationalism that's not first and

00:55:00.140 foremost theological we kind of wish it was because there's a lot of theological reasoning behind that

00:55:04.580 the bible i think esteems nationalism um but um people returning to nationalism i think because

00:55:11.020 of of god's second book first book special revelation the bible his written word second

00:55:15.820 book nature god you know things about god and his will and even his own nature can be clearly seen

00:55:21.960 by what he has made in in um in not just special revelation his word but in natural revelation or

00:55:28.700 general revelation and right now uh that second book of god's word uh natural revelation general

00:55:35.200 revelation is uh is is kind of it's it's always there it's always speaking but it seems like

00:55:40.820 these last couple years it's been screaming uh because there's been such a rebellion against it 0.92

00:55:46.460 from gay furries to boys being girls to you know the clump of cells that you can murder with

00:55:52.460 impunity all the way up to nine months and maybe even after depending on how how democratic you 0.94

00:55:57.840 know your governor might be um the left has so overplayed its hand and its hand if we were to

00:56:02.980 sum it up in a word is unnatural or two words against nature that there's been this whiplash

00:56:09.280 you know the rubber band snapping back towards nature right what is what is natural and that's

00:56:14.500 been happening in america but it's been happening in the world as a whole and as there's this return

00:56:18.840 to nature one one natural law kind of principle is national sovereignty national identity my people

00:56:28.020 the auto amoris america for america america first yeah and so as that's happening it's not just the

00:56:34.900 shift in theology with dispensationalism but it's this shift back to nature for everyone whether

00:56:39.820 the christian or not uh that is i think you know because we could look at the same stats and pull

00:56:44.420 up ukraine and it'd be the same thing probably even more extreme it'd probably be like ukraine

00:56:49.180 is plummeted to zero like i feel like like these days i feel like if you say ukraine people are

00:56:53.700 what's that yeah right you know like the last six months all the flags disappeared

00:56:57.320 my neighbor uh blocked down everybody's fine my front yard everybody's fine with the moscow 0.53

00:57:04.780 mules now you know you know it's it's back on the menu nature is healing nature is healing

00:57:09.360 i like uh austin holcomb and i'll sum it up this way and then we'll get to the super chats and the

00:57:13.980 questions he said if i try to oversimplify it is your position that israel's action is likely

00:57:18.760 justified the u.s involvement would not be perfect and i think that's perfectly fair if i was a tiny

00:57:23.600 nation surrounded by violent sand people to the north to the south that hated me and they were 0.84

00:57:29.000 building nukes and these people if they got a working nuke the very first one they would 0.98

00:57:33.160 literally put it on their backs to haul it to my border and detonate it yeah i would probably 0.71

00:57:37.040 strike them but the u.s has no business there but it's not not our uh not our monkeys not our 0.97

00:57:42.880 circus yeah austin it's like he's a sand people uh but it like it really is you know i feel like 0.84

00:57:49.200 an accurate way you can describe it is if i'm a dignified christ hater surrounded by sand people

00:57:55.900 christ haters you know like i mean they're they're all christ haters the middle east has christians

00:58:01.140 by the grace of god but it is the minority report right and um there are some christians in israel

00:58:06.440 being spit on by jews and there are some christians in palestine uh you know losing their

00:58:11.620 heads you know and in iran you know and in iran and so you know so there are some christians but 0.94

00:58:16.820 the minority reports you're talking about god haters the true triune god on both sides of the

00:58:22.020 fence um but this is again this isn't special revelation this is baked into nature everyone

00:58:28.680 except for people of european descent in the west apparently but everyone else has this natural

00:58:35.480 instinct that god baked into us which is which is what it's called survival people want to live

00:58:41.800 they want to survive and so yeah so if as much as i have problems with israel if i'm israel yeah i

00:58:49.420 like i'm gonna want to take out nukes that are are close by you know with people who who hate me and

00:58:55.060 and and i'm gonna want to try to draw the united states into the fright you know because they're

00:59:01.520 bigger and and richer and more powerful and and you neither so i i don't even fault them

00:59:07.420 on that level i fault them for plenty of things but not so much this particular thing however

00:59:12.720 i'm not in israel i am not a jew i am a christian who lives in america and i'm an american heritage

00:59:20.700 american and uh this is not in my interest whatsoever and i think a lot of people whether

00:59:27.700 they're christian or not a lot of americans are coming to see that like you know jd vancey's like

00:59:32.160 um i don't want this person in my country and i think a lot of americans most americans agree

00:59:36.460 with me and i was saying the same thing um this has nothing to do with my country and i think

00:59:40.020 most americans agree with me margaret right you know and and by god's grace i i think that's true

00:59:45.360 speaking of surviving and this is not the topic for today so we will have to hit it some other

00:59:48.940 time but did you see new york's passing a an assisted suicide bill it's on the governor's

00:59:54.180 desk today god forbid anyway have mercy lord um okay let's uh let's do super chats first there's

01:00:01.880 one from pierre vargas it's not a super chat so i won't do it and i'm just kidding i'm gonna do my

01:00:06.760 best to get to that one but i do i it's just on principle uh those who we love you all but if you

01:00:13.280 are uh being generous and trying to support this ministry um then i feel like it's the least we

01:00:17.760 could do um to show you um a deference so let's do the super chats first uh but i i want to handle

01:00:23.400 the pierre one so maybe michael and wes you can alternate on the super chats go ahead wes all

01:00:28.400 All right. Ben Huffsteadler, super chat, $100 from Ben.

01:00:31.900 My goodness. We got to meet him.

01:00:33.360 We did. Wonderful, godly man.

01:00:35.000 Wonderful guy.

01:00:36.120 Looking forward to just continuing to know him over the years,

01:00:39.440 also making a transition, too, to a new community.

01:00:42.680 And so if you think of him, pray for that transition.

01:00:45.360 I know we certainly are.

01:00:46.660 Ben asked this, what superpower wins in this?

01:00:49.480 China?

01:00:50.500 As in, so you have Iran, you have that kind of axis there, 0.83

01:00:54.520 so that the Islam, Muslim side of things, opposed to Israel,

01:00:57.880 more broadly opposed to the west you have russia we're not on great speaking terms right now

01:01:02.680 kind of that coalition yep kind of pretty much the east versus the west yeah i i'm bullish on

01:01:10.280 russia bearish on china yep china's one policy one child policy and they are almost they're out of

01:01:16.660 time they're running out of time i think time is ticking for china so on the military side of

01:01:21.460 things it's incredible they have so many more people but still they don't match our productivity

01:01:26.420 and GDP even with a centralized government whose literal only goal like we will build apartments

01:01:30.980 on the on the bodies of our citizens they would not care if that would get them ahead

01:01:34.660 they still can't match our ingenuity so on China I think population time is ticking 0.76

01:01:39.860 technologically it's probably pretty close they are a threat there's there's no denying it probably 0.98

01:01:44.380 a bigger military threat than Israel but practically I think we outlast them Russia 0.53

01:01:49.180 on the other hand I mean they've banned LGBT groups as terrorism they've gotten rid of a lot

01:01:54.260 of western propaganda yeah we're bullish on russia because they're christian they're following

01:01:58.680 and they're nationalist yeah yeah yep yeah they're an eastern orthodox christian country

01:02:02.880 their birth rate is recovering so i do think russia if i'm looking 30 40 50 years who's doing

01:02:08.440 good who's having children who's protecting their borders who's resisting liberal propaganda that

01:02:13.440 allows you to devalue your heritage devalue your home bullish on russia as far as the west goes

01:02:19.240 we we'll talk about it here in a couple days but um like britain no there's no trump figure that's

01:02:25.340 rising no yeah i just i cannot put enough puts on britain yeah the u.s i'm hopeful by god's grace

01:02:31.920 but i'm hopeful for the u.s those are the winners and the losers i'm super bullish on russia one

01:02:36.100 because they're christian um and and i i get this i'm not going to be like why aren't why aren't we

01:02:40.600 uh why aren't we best friends with russia i'm aware that there's a bit of a history

01:02:44.540 like i'm aware like there's you know there there is a history but you know tucker carlson has even

01:02:49.860 said this and i think he's right you know i think it'd be naive to just think you know that it's all

01:02:54.420 just going to be swept under the rug and and this will happen tomorrow but long term so i'm not

01:02:59.140 saying tomorrow but long term yeah i i would like to see russia um be be be a little bit more

01:03:08.100 welcomed by the christian west um they are our christian brothers um they also have you know

01:03:15.840 fairly similar um uh natural descent in terms of uh you know speaking of nations nationhood and

01:03:23.320 uh ancestry so there's a similar ancestry um there's a similar religion uh devotion to the

01:03:30.360 triune god the trinity and their army army ads it'll be like for russia for this and for god

01:03:35.480 why did you join

01:03:37.220 so I understand that it's probably not going to happen tomorrow

01:03:40.160 the cold war was not great

01:03:42.260 it was cold

01:03:43.780 so there's a lot of loving

01:03:46.460 tenderness that is not currently

01:03:48.400 there but one day I would

01:03:50.380 like to see that restored

01:03:52.180 yep

01:03:52.660 alright Javier Flores thanks very much

01:03:55.980 he said $50

01:03:58.120 $50 is very generous he says make sure

01:04:00.240 you check on your just be friends today

01:04:01.960 enjoyed spending this last

01:04:04.140 lord's day with you guys from san antonio and yep javier i i do uh remember chatting with you

01:04:09.680 it was great to meet you and your family and uh and talk to you guys for a little bit awesome

01:04:13.380 all right uh caleb visser super chat canadian twenty dollars i don't know if that's more

01:04:18.600 than 10 u.s dollars it's canadian if it's canadian it's less i have 20 that's probably

01:04:24.040 about a buck 50 it's still probably more than ten dollars from cool it's more than ten dollars yeah

01:04:30.520 All right. Caleb says this. Thank you, Caleb. Hey guys, great show. I'm wondering what your

01:04:34.520 advice would be on moving to the USA. I currently live in Canada. My wife is American, but I grew

01:04:38.920 up in Canada. We have a great reformed church to be attended. Your ministry has impacted.

01:04:43.540 He followed on. We are looking to move to Tennessee or Ohio, Middleton and Drayton area.

01:04:47.860 Your ministry has been a big impact on my life and how I am a father and a husband. For one,

01:04:52.460 that's super encouraging to hear. We have a number, I think I can say this simply,

01:04:56.260 we have a number of families in our church from Canada and they would all say it's one

01:04:59.700 of the best decisions that they ever made they've ever made they left during the height of covid so

01:05:03.220 things are a little bit worse but uh and they've gotten their green cards they've gotten their

01:05:07.200 green cards quickly rather quickly yeah honestly like i would i would have to think behind the

01:05:11.440 scenes our foreign policy is more favorable to green cards yeah i think it's because of the

01:05:15.120 trump administration because they were here before trump won yeah and there was not a lot of traction

01:05:19.340 no but when the administration changed and i don't think it's just because you know trump is going to

01:05:24.220 let anybody come but i think uh he's saying oh well uh these are canadians and that's different

01:05:29.060 than third world did you see the video today where this canadian um lady was proposing that

01:05:35.560 canadians need to start uh applying for refugee status to the u.s yeah i would support it um and

01:05:43.020 when we say like there's a lot of families who have made the decision it's been a good decision

01:05:47.060 they would do it again in a heartbeat if they could there is absolutely some loss there so

01:05:51.180 there is a real sense in which i'm leaving the land of my father's it has been destroyed by

01:05:55.700 wicked people so this is his wife you'll move american citizenship it sounds like yep and that

01:06:00.580 actually makes it that makes it a lot he said my wife's american but she grew up in canada that 0.94

01:06:04.840 helps tremendously yeah yep yeah but even there you're going back to your wife's homeland maybe

01:06:09.580 you have family like it is still a sad thing yeah you're gonna be sad there won't be lost but to

01:06:13.520 say that one of the spouses half of your children's you know uh ancestry is rooted and citizens in

01:06:20.260 america that to me that that pushes it if it was a question that for me would push it over the edge

01:06:24.860 to like let's uh let's work in that direction and god will decide by way and practically the

01:06:31.200 demographics of how much immigration canada has allowed over the last five years i think that's

01:06:36.120 why i would say you should because that does not just get reversed tomorrow revival hey things are

01:06:41.900 on the up and up again this is going to be a battle probably i don't know if it ever gets

01:06:45.820 reversed in canada i don't know if it does yeah yeah come on guys you gotta look more on the

01:06:50.560 bright side than that you can do a lot of things believe it or not you black build us with your 0.98

01:06:54.420 That was a black pain episode. 0.94

01:06:58.720 When you have the will to do it.

01:06:59.900 I was just as negative as Wes on that one.

01:07:02.380 I was feeling discouraged.

01:07:04.260 All right, this is Dapper Dan.

01:07:05.380 Michael, you want to read it?

01:07:06.260 Yeah, thanks, Dapper.

01:07:07.140 Although we have a few at the top.

01:07:09.060 So Nate, after this one, let's go back up to the top. 0.92

01:07:11.240 How do we lead fellow evangelicals away from this mindless support of Israel, 0.67

01:07:15.760 claiming it's from some divine mandate? 0.58

01:07:17.500 This is tricky.

01:07:18.480 you likely are not going to win with a well-written five-page essay.

01:07:24.440 I would say if they are Christians of goodwill and intellectual honesty,

01:07:33.640 having them read some of the...

01:07:35.440 One of the things that I know has been effective in some of my circles

01:07:38.440 has been just exposing them to, first of all, the idea

01:07:41.060 that the Christian faith is much older than just the 1800s.

01:07:46.060 Yes.

01:07:46.340 and that a lot of the views about a lot of things, and a lot of people came into Calvinism or

01:07:50.500 Calvinistic soteriology with a similar, oh, this is not what the church has always taught about

01:07:55.240 these things. And so I almost think it's not so much about Israel off the bat. It is that there

01:08:01.820 is a much deeper, much, really the last, what, 200 years have been an outlier in a lot of ways

01:08:09.080 in Christian doctrine. And starting there might be a good approach, I would say.

01:08:14.120 And then the other, I hesitate to say this because it can red pill people real quick and lead them to really being very, very angry in a not helpful way. 0.60

01:08:27.540 But just if they can start seeing some of the damage that our alliance to Israel has caused, just in a nationalistic, like loving your own country first, that might be an appeal. 0.69

01:08:38.620 So those would be the two things that I would say. 0.82

01:08:40.660 I agree.

01:08:41.800 This is from Cool Dude.

01:08:43.860 He gave us $10.

01:08:45.280 Thanks, cool dude.

01:08:46.320 I think we, I'm pretty sure I met him also at the conference.

01:08:50.420 Awesome.

01:08:51.020 Was he cool?

01:08:52.120 Yeah, he was the coolest person I've ever met.

01:08:54.840 So he said, Tucker has been going hard against the warmongers.

01:08:58.740 Much respect to him.

01:08:59.920 Great show as always.

01:09:01.040 Right Response Ministries.

01:09:02.300 Thank you.

01:09:02.920 We appreciate it.

01:09:03.540 And you're right.

01:09:03.960 I think that Tucker has, we don't agree with everything, but I think Tucker in terms of

01:09:10.120 like mainstream that size platform he's probably one of the best at that level and uh and he has

01:09:16.820 done a great job of just taking the neocons to task and saying uh stop it like you're like seriously

01:09:22.900 you're you're in the senate drooling on the floor salivating over war in the middle east you know

01:09:28.520 got an israel flag outside your office senator rick scott yeah like show some um show some

01:09:34.020 dignity have some self-respect tucker's also someone who has you know admitted hey i drank

01:09:40.160 the kool-aid with bush and the wmds he did a good job kind of owning his mistakes that that always

01:09:45.720 speaks a lot to me when someone says i didn't always hold this view i was wrong cool dude had

01:09:50.340 a follow-up so let's hit that one okay uh do you guys think if the u.s gets dragged into this

01:09:54.600 debacle seems likely it will become a massive war against iran or maybe just some surgical strikes

01:10:00.380 both are bad but the former is much worse i'm gonna go with the nothing ever happens bros on

01:10:04.460 this one um i'm all in actually i i really am i i think especially even with that post that wes

01:10:10.380 read that was breaking and cool dude might have asked this question right before that on the

01:10:14.660 stream but um i don't i don't think we're gonna get involved praise god i mean maybe we do but i

01:10:20.000 i actually think that um i just i think that uh you will blink and we'll be at the midterms

01:10:26.620 and so i think both economically in terms of tariffs in terms of tariffs and then also passing

01:10:32.380 this bill you know and getting some deportations and then also staying out of a war are all in the

01:10:37.720 best interest of republicans right now yep uh i definitely agree that was one of the brilliant

01:10:44.640 things i was deployed in the middle east in 2016 that was when isis was a huge force but we always

01:10:50.540 avoided the direct confrontation because all that does is engender more opposition and so

01:10:56.000 again and again we carried out surgical strikes which demoralized and eventually it literally

01:11:00.800 worked you don't hear about isis anymore and so in the same way if we were to get involved lord

01:11:05.080 willing i strongly don't think um it's i'm strongly opinionated i don't think we would put boots in

01:11:11.020 the ground i don't think people are tired of that i think we're not going to see an iraq level

01:11:14.580 invasion real quick nathan go to jesse uh you were on it jesse s he said i just thought it was funny

01:11:20.120 he said right response ministries i wonder if new christened press will post your talk from their

01:11:25.320 conference it was based but if they post it it will certainly shadow ban their channel i think

01:11:31.680 that that's probably true um i just had to read it live on the air because if nothing else it'll

01:11:36.900 pique some interest you know and everybody listening will be like what did he say i want

01:11:40.180 to check it out all right so this is the last one now i i believe right nathan last one pierre yep

01:11:44.940 all right pierre vargas uh his question it's a good one um simple but but good he said i have

01:11:51.960 noticed you um probably predominantly me and probably also wes and probably less michael but

01:11:58.420 you collectively in some sense y'all uh y'all it's the plural yeah so i've noticed you guys

01:12:05.000 that's how the californians would say it talk no they would say folks by the way california would

01:12:09.580 say folks guys is is sexist oh you're right yes yeah you're right the max f-o-l-s so i've noticed

01:12:17.500 y'all talk here uh frequently about monarchy not being a bad thing as opposed to democracy and i

01:12:26.720 appreciate that that point a lot that is a lot of our we're saying monarchy comparatively to what

01:12:32.700 we currently have right now which is supposed to be a constitutional republic but in terms of how

01:12:38.280 we actually function is basically a mob rule raw democracy with elements of oligarchy that's what

01:12:44.380 because we've given a vote to everyone because of universal suffrage to women to like there's

01:12:49.260 nothing that could disqualify you from voting correct we've given a vote to everyone but

01:12:52.840 we know that figures like taylor swift will control like 15 and that's the oligarchy piece

01:12:58.120 and and our founders actually said that aristotle even said that they said if you have a democracy

01:13:03.460 that embraces universal suffrage so everybody has a vote and they all have an equal vote

01:13:07.680 um then uh it does not take long so first it's the people then it's the oligarchs

01:13:12.920 uh the elites that become oligarchs that it will not take long for the people to realize that they

01:13:17.720 can vote for stuff right they can vote their way into cash into benefits into stipends into this

01:13:22.860 into that universal uh health care universal income you know like whatever um so as soon as

01:13:28.340 you devolve from a republic representative government all the way down even to the level

01:13:33.420 of the household uh to just a raw democracy with universal suffrage everybody gets a vote it does

01:13:38.220 not take long for them to realize they can vote their way into stuff and as soon as they start

01:13:42.200 voting their way into stuff then the elites come in with promises of stuff and that's where you get

01:13:48.180 um an oligarchy so i appreciate uh pierre vargas recognizing that it's not just a in a vacuum

01:13:54.760 conversation that we're having and saying um uh you know uh that all things being equal in or

01:14:00.520 in every scenario um at all times no matter the country no matter the place no matter the people

01:14:07.320 monarchy is is the quintessential god's design that's that's not our position yeah um i think

01:14:14.060 i can speak for definitely myself i think west i think michael you feel free to correct me if you

01:14:19.560 nuance it a little bit differently but my position is i don't believe that the bible i believe the

01:14:24.240 bible gives us principles uh moral principles of justice and that we can derive a judicial code in

01:14:31.020 terms of our laws um however i do not believe that the bible explicitly prescribes a form of

01:14:38.600 government and so i believe forms of government should be of a fitting to the people now take

01:14:44.640 now all that within reason i'll give that disclaimer so i do think that there are some

01:14:49.440 forms of government like communism for instance that i think actually go against clear explicit

01:14:55.760 scriptural principles so there's never a case where it's like well the people at this particular

01:15:00.940 the time just really need communism no the people never need communism and so i feel like i can go

01:15:06.340 on record saying that but in terms of constitutional republic versus an aristocracy i i don't i don't

01:15:13.360 feel like well the bible mandates constitutional republic and it's exodus 18 that's what exodus 18

01:15:19.720 was all about a constitutional exodus 18 i you know corporate needs you to tell the difference

01:15:24.380 between these two pictures here's uh the the uh the constitution the u.s constitution here's exodus 0.51

01:15:29.740 18 it's the same picture i don't think so i don't buy it i think that's an autistic wooden

01:15:35.400 like like version of theonomy that's that i think is too stringent and is uh far-fetched so that

01:15:42.940 being said i think forms of government should follow the people um and and currently when i

01:15:49.400 look and this is what our founder said right john adams you know that this constitutional republic

01:15:54.620 is only suitable to a religious and morally upright people i i don't think we have those

01:16:00.660 people even benjamin franklin what did you give us uh franklin republic if you can keep it well

01:16:05.840 the verdicts come back in we did not keep it and um and i think that we're currently not suitable

01:16:11.460 for it so then i'm going to be looking at what other forms of government are within the bounds

01:16:16.220 of biblical permissibility right so communism is out but there's a few other ones i think that are

01:16:21.660 are on the table and i'm looking at okay what kind of people do we have oh well we have a bunch of 0.79

01:16:28.560 degenerate people heritage americans that are degenerate and then a ton of foreigners and and

01:16:35.400 so for me right now monarchy looks a little good so i'm not saying monarchy in all places in all 0.66

01:16:40.960 times and just for the record was like but but the principle maybe not constitutional republic joel

01:16:46.060 but um representative government i think that that is a biblical principle and i would say

01:16:50.540 i agree i need you now to convince me or show me prove to me how monarchy somehow um gets rid of

01:16:57.820 any possibility of any form of representative government you can have in addition to monarchy

01:17:02.700 a parliament or you can have lords that are representative of their vassals and report to

01:17:08.500 the king but also represent their people that you know um there are ways of doing representative

01:17:13.740 government within a monarchy framework um a republic is not the only method of having

01:17:19.600 the representative piece so finally finishing the question now so i've noticed that you talk

01:17:25.260 here frequently about monarchy not being a bad thing as compared to democracy the difference

01:17:30.520 between striving for that now versus uh so now he's asking but what's the difference

01:17:35.740 all right if you're saying that the monarchy is better still on the monarchy democracy piece

01:17:40.640 go ahead the title on a lot of these can often be very superfluous right now charles three is the

01:17:48.140 king of england the dude probably does not have the authority to change the toilet paper in the

01:17:53.180 bathroom from two ply to three ply that's right president bukele in el salvator is an authoritarian

01:17:59.520 tyrant that dude's a king who his people love like why are the king and one's why are people

01:18:03.960 saying right now all the libs what's their campaign right now right no king no kings well

01:18:07.980 we don't have a king but they're saying trump is behaving like one and i'm saying i lord make trump

01:18:13.880 the man half the man that my enemies put a crown that my enemies right but that's a great point

01:18:20.040 practically so like the united states i don't think we will ever have and this is so and so

01:18:23.940 the king of the united states but what i would most certainly advocate for is that the executive

01:18:28.340 branch this is certainly somewhat of how it's understood to be has the strength to do what

01:18:33.700 needs to be done and the fundamental problem we would say that the constitution we wouldn't even

01:18:38.180 have to change it the constitution historically does actually afford the executive branch

01:18:43.020 incredible powers yeah like so when people say this is unconstitutional i'll tell you what's

01:18:48.460 unconstitutional uh random local judges yeah being able to thwart right um the president of the

01:18:56.200 united states uh when it comes to a full-scale invasion of foreigners at our southern border

01:19:01.140 that's actually unconstitutional the system got you to where it is now of what use was the system

01:19:05.960 that's what i would kind of say what use was the rule yeah and all that being said the point is

01:19:10.820 you have to have a branch of the government whether you call the monarch you call him a

01:19:14.380 president you call him prime minister that is strong enough to do what needs to be done that

01:19:20.460 he has the actual authority to leverage your taxes the actual authority to spend money to shore up

01:19:25.000 the military to declare war such that the people can say whether they elect him whether he inherits

01:19:29.880 power that the right thing can be done because practically what happens then is it'll restrict

01:19:35.060 for example trump's first term he wants to do this he wants the deportations can't get them done 0.87

01:19:39.100 because the people elected retarded representatives then joe biden gets into office and and did he did 0.77

01:19:44.360 he let any of that stop him no no sir so practically whether you whatever you call it 0.86

01:19:49.820 we're saying are you vesting a lot of power in one person or are you distributing tiny

01:19:56.060 in a managerial class demographically many of them you didn't even elect they're three letter

01:20:01.060 because we have the fourth branch of government which is the now the most powerful which is the

01:20:04.760 bureaucracy right yep and and michael when you said yeah i agree with you on that i think i know

01:20:09.380 what you're getting at like and i know what you're getting at too west but like if the system brought

01:20:12.840 you here then of what use was the system and i i would actually on this part you know i'll be a

01:20:17.300 little bit of a lib here but i would argue that um it was our it was us uh shirking the system

01:20:23.500 that that brought us here because when like i read you know even in my new christendom talk at

01:20:27.640 the conference uh some of the quotes from the founders like george washington where he like

01:20:31.880 even commandeered you know private property right and uh and and uh the quote from i think it's uh

01:20:37.760 jefferson um uh where he talks about um uh meticulous or he uses the word scrupulous

01:20:44.860 observance to the written law or letter of the law um at the point where it uh that it uh absolves

01:20:52.300 and actually counteracts the spirit of the law the purpose of the law in the first place

01:20:55.980 is actually not american that's actually not what our founders envisioned and so i would say that

01:21:01.620 The original system, the original Constitution, actually does afford to the executive branch kingly powers.

01:21:11.260 It's certainly more power than a current king, like King Charles, who can't even change the ply on the toilet paper.

01:21:17.860 And I would just say, the counter to the counter, I think monarchy would have gotten us a good 200 years, too.

01:21:22.000 So the Constitutional Republic, for sure in God's grace, because of the caliber of people, gave us an incredible— 0.51

01:21:26.680 I mean, 97% of America was Christian, 1900.

01:21:29.720 So we got 200 years that way.

01:21:31.180 I that's technically 100 like 125 but but I think you get that same amount with the monarch or the

01:21:35.900 constitutional republic because of the caliber of the people the caliber of the people I would just

01:21:40.080 say you know I think Washington could have become a king I think they would have made him a king I

01:21:44.400 think he could have established a royal line um and at that point there was no constitutional

01:21:50.140 amendment on um number of presidential terms um I do I will concede that the the American

01:21:58.600 revolution was not primarily against the idea of a monarchy it was against the fact that we have no

01:22:05.360 representation for the king now what we did and what washington left behind was very like right

01:22:13.900 there at the beginning they said we're not going to be a monarchy so um i think i think there's

01:22:19.600 something in the american spirit that is suspicious of monarchy but i will 100 agree here i can find

01:22:27.140 common ground that the executive power needs to somehow be you say be given back that's never

01:22:34.980 going to happen but the executive has power to do the things that it needs to do and and really one

01:22:40.480 of the things that i don't somehow we need to get around we've done a whole episode on this is

01:22:45.780 marbury versus madison which established the concept of judicial review because while maybe

01:22:51.400 good for really big level things i you know i would argue maybe it wasn't but now that's why

01:22:56.220 we get dc court judges who feel like they can countermand the president's orders and

01:23:01.520 so to the people who who want a monarchy i sympathize with the desire i would just say

01:23:08.500 you know i think it would be more work to get to a monarchy than to restore

01:23:14.120 the power that the executive branch ought to have yep okay so let me finish the question and i think

01:23:21.660 we got one more super chat that just came in so i've noticed you talk a lot about you know maybe

01:23:26.700 monarchy being better uh as opposed to democracy but what's the difference if that's your position

01:23:32.120 here's the follow-up the question what's the difference between striving for a monarchy now

01:23:36.880 versus the israelites back in the day wanting a king right give us a king give us a king and you

01:23:43.800 know the bible's pretty clear on that point that that was not a good desire i would say the the

01:23:48.860 key difference is this pierre um in israel's case when they were asking samuel they were asking the

01:23:55.500 lord through samuel to give them a point for them a king they were not currently in a democracy so

01:24:01.000 they were not saying we currently have a democracy uh but we'd like a king and then god speaks through

01:24:07.040 samuel and gives this answer i'll give you a king but let it let it be written down on record um

01:24:12.800 that this was a bad decision to ask for a king because what you currently had aka democracy

01:24:17.680 is morally superior to a monarchy. That's not the lay of the land. When Israel is asking for

01:24:25.040 a king, what they're actually moving away from is being ruled multiple facets. But one of them

01:24:33.280 is that God was actually ruling by divine fiat through the prophet Samuel speaking to Israel.

01:24:43.420 So notice what God says specifically through Samuel

01:24:46.560 as a response to Israel when they ask for a king

01:24:48.460 is he says, he doesn't say, I'm heartbroken

01:24:51.600 because you've rejected our sacred democracy for a monarchy.

01:24:55.100 No, he says, I'm heartbroken

01:24:56.540 because you've rejected monarchy for monarchy.

01:24:59.760 But which kind?

01:25:00.980 You've rejected monarchy with me as king for a human king.

01:25:05.620 I'm your king.

01:25:06.520 So God doesn't say, I'm sad

01:25:08.220 because you're choosing monarchy over democracy.

01:25:10.140 they already had monarchy but who was the king it was god speaking through his vassal samuel the

01:25:16.620 prophet and the people are saying we'd rather have a human king and they even tell god why

01:25:21.800 they say so that we might be like all the other nations so so they're saying we already have a

01:25:28.980 king and we know it we have a monarchy we have a king and the king is the lord but we want an 0.95

01:25:35.580 inferior king simply so that we can be like all these other surrounding pagan nations that's what

01:25:41.240 god doesn't like yeah but that to use that text to say monarchy is always that that's that's a poor

01:25:48.360 use of the text i've looked into that text some and it seems pretty likely that what the because

01:25:54.560 one of the one of the main characteristics of a king back then was raising an army right conquering

01:26:00.420 defending and so really what they're saying largely is we are tired of being afraid of

01:26:05.640 instability we are tired of relying on you god to defend us for our enemies right um and so it's not

01:26:12.260 just the who's gonna like is it samuel who's gonna be giving us the divine law or is it some king

01:26:18.440 um no it's it's we don't trust you god we don't trust that you are to have our best interest in

01:26:23.440 at heart and will protect us if we follow you and really what it is is the way of getting out

01:26:27.940 from having to follow god we will be able to defend ourselves from foreign enemies because

01:26:32.060 god said if we don't follow him foreign enemies are going to come and capture us but if we get a

01:26:36.180 king then we can stop following god but we can still have an army to defend ourselves yeah we

01:26:41.020 can eat our cake and have it too we can have the idolatry and the protection you're right the last

01:26:46.760 thing to point out there because people will bring it up is in the law it does talk about the king

01:26:51.380 writing a copy of the law right and so it does seem that in god's mind at some point he did

01:26:57.260 intend to give israel a king i think so and probably you know the messiah the king the

01:27:01.820 prophet priest and king that would that would have been the idea so god himself indicates that his

01:27:07.620 people would be ruled by king one day um yep yep um okay let's go down to the bottom i think we

01:27:14.420 have one more super chat um there it is so this is from enigmandius is that how you say it i think

01:27:22.980 so enigmundious okay super chat ten dollars and these are u.s dollars right so they're a little

01:27:28.940 worthless but not nearly as worthless as canadian dollars okay um he says or she says i'm not quite

01:27:34.860 sure uh thank you for your christian service to our people in your opinion uh our people i think

01:27:41.780 in this case is talking about fellow christians but also americans um in your opinion how likely

01:27:46.520 is it that american men are drafted to go to war in israel no american should die to defend

01:27:51.900 the star of Rephim. And we would say yes and amen a thousand times. And this probably came in before

01:27:57.860 we already started addressing some of these things. But just in case you missed it, Enigmundius,

01:28:02.740 we don't know. We don't have a crystal ball. We're not going to pretend omniscience. But if we had to

01:28:07.820 bet, by the grace of God and the grace of God alone, we would say it seems unlikely, especially

01:28:15.100 with the report from the Trump administration that just happened 30 minutes ago, a half an hour ago

01:28:21.380 or so um i i really don't think anyone in america uh wants boots on the ground and i think that

01:28:28.660 trump like we established uh earlier we we were um pre-recording something for uh later on and we

01:28:34.860 said that uh trump for better or for worse actually does kind of listen and uh and and he is a populist

01:28:41.720 figure who listens to the people and um and i think the the overarching consensus right now

01:28:47.580 from americans is no more endless wars in the middle east sometimes people ask me did the

01:28:54.820 post-war consensus did it give us anything good and i do think it did give us one good thing

01:28:59.020 and that's never again not to the other things but never again will we just slaughter millions

01:29:03.920 of people really over not that much territorial feuds right so i think there is a sense of like

01:29:10.100 we are disgusted by war and disgusted by violence and a huge aversion especially to a draft getting

01:29:15.540 involved right unnecessarily i mean like world war one sparked over less than this assassinations

01:29:21.340 you know conflicts troops on the ground a whole world war sparked over less there was a very

01:29:27.020 cavalier attitude towards war yep then is i think what you're saying yep exactly and i think we got

01:29:32.380 that out of our system praise god okay well thanks for tuning in this has been an uh i think a great

01:29:36.940 episode and hopefully if we do say so ourselves yeah we do say so ourselves uh i think informative

01:29:41.700 um you know there's theological pieces but there was also i think a lot of good

01:29:46.120 geopolitical and some breaking news moments you know and graphs and the whole nine yards so

01:29:51.020 hopefully uh you if you've kind of been in the dark and didn't really understand what happened

01:29:55.380 on friday where you know israel i attacked iran um hopefully at this point you feel like all right

01:30:01.460 i know what's going on and i'm ready to you know argue with my dispensational dispensationalist

01:30:05.980 grandma you know or don't enjoy the time or don't and just enjoy your grandma amen all right so

01:30:11.260 Thanks for tuning in and Lord willing, we will see you on Wednesday.

The NXR Podcast - June 16, 2025

THE LIVESTREAM - Will The US Get Involved in Iran？｜ WW3 On The Horizon？

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The NXR Podcast - June 16, 2025

THE LIVESTREAM - Will The US Get Involved in Iran？ ｜ WW3 On The Horizon？

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THE LIVESTREAM - Will The US Get Involved in Iran？｜ WW3 On The Horizon？