The NXR Podcast - THE LIVESTREAM - Will Walsh Leave The Daily Wire？｜ No Enemies To The Right

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00:00:30.000 matt walsh my doppelganger the blood of catholic monarchs runs through this man's veins it's there

00:00:42.540 right the kids would say it's a blood memory it's there he doesn't know that it's all there

00:00:48.340 but he's so close and you know what at the same time i've got to give the guy credit i think he

00:00:54.380 does know I think he does and I think a lot of guys have given him some grief and I think some

00:00:59.940 of that grief has been merited right it's Matt we see greatness in you it's right there if you 0.96

00:01:07.660 can just get off of the Jewish plantation of the Israeli wire you could soar you could soar

00:01:16.780 and i think one um there's friendship right there's friendship um he's been with the daily

00:01:24.520 wire for quite a while and i think there's probably mutual affection a genuine relationship

00:01:31.720 it's not easy uh so i don't want to just say well it's just the money um that said friendship

00:01:38.700 cover that base disclaimer has been publicly communicated so now let's talk about the money

00:01:44.300 dude makes a lot of money makes a lot of money and honestly here's the deal um when you think

00:01:53.040 of the daily wire i mean you guys have seen some of the news we covered some of it in terms of the

00:01:57.640 financials jeremy boring you know leaving the daily wire you know at least uh at the capacity

00:02:03.300 that he once held uh playing a much more minor and passive role from here on out uh and you know

00:02:11.140 that Jeremy Boring kind of, in some ways, hurt the company by using it to try to live out his

00:02:17.320 childhood fantasy of not being a movie star, but being a movie director. He's like, I've got big

00:02:23.680 ideas. We're going to do 10 gazillion movies. Each one is going to cost $100 million and they're

00:02:31.240 going to be conservative. Really? They're going to be conservative? Explain conservative. Well,

00:02:35.680 we'll have a female protagonist. It's not a good start. Go ahead, continue. She's going to be 1.00

00:02:40.640 super based really like she's she's gonna be a mother with multiple children nope she's gonna 1.00

00:02:45.640 have an ar-15 she's gonna be spraying bullets it's imagine rambo except it's a chick and this

00:02:53.460 is conservative right and so this is what the daily wire did this is what they've done you guys

00:02:58.680 have seen this and you know i i think it could have been good uh but it's it's just kind of

00:03:05.860 neocon. It's a Judeo-Christian. It's not really conservative, and it's just kind of in the

00:03:15.020 Overton window, kind of center-right, but not really on the right wing. But Matt Walsh is not

00:03:22.220 like that. I really don't think he is. I think the guy deserves some credit. He has, I mean,

00:03:28.220 he pretty much, right? It's not just, oh, he said some base things about race. He's done that. God

00:03:33.780 bless him. But in addition to that, it's not just the things he said, but it's the things that he's

00:03:38.200 done. The guy was integral in political elections in Virginia, in outing and changing, having the

00:03:50.560 sway to where policies were literally changed on transgenderism. And then when you think of the

00:03:56.300 Daily Wire in terms of profitability, you know, Jeremy Boring is spending every dollar that comes

00:04:01.540 in on his pet dream projects. But those dollars that are coming in, a lot of them are coming in

00:04:08.120 because of Matt Walsh. I mean, he has been, not just in his content, I think he's the best content,

00:04:14.300 but in terms of just economically, profitability, the dude has been the cash cow of the Daily Wire. 0.98

00:04:21.260 What is a woman? What is a woman was incredibly successful. Am I racist? Incredibly successful. 1.00

00:04:29.080 um matt walsh is kind of carrying the daily wire on his back and has been maybe not from the very

00:04:37.740 beginning but i think at least over the last one to three years and i think a lot of people see

00:04:43.080 that and a lot of people are rooting for him it reminds me of tucker with fox news right there

00:04:48.480 came a point where i think all of us were just like tucker leave you're tucker carlson you will

00:04:54.480 do just fine. You don't need Fox. Fox needs you. Well, here's the deal. I think Matt sees all that.

00:05:00.820 I don't think he's dumb. I don't think he's naive. And I do think that the blood of Catholic 0.93

00:05:05.480 monarchs are running through that man's veins. I think he knows. In the same way that he's based

00:05:11.420 on race, he's a bit of a race realist. He's not a racial determinist or essentialist. I don't

00:05:20.460 think he's mean-spirited or hateful in any way but he is a race realist he understands it's not

00:05:25.580 just hip-hop it's not just culture people make culture there's something there that has to be

00:05:32.180 accounted for and he's saying these things out loud he's saying them I think with wisdom and

00:05:37.400 grace but also with courage and to be that based on race I guess this is my point you know the

00:05:44.600 dude is a little j-pilled as well right he can't just I see this and I see this and I see this and

00:05:49.980 then there's this glaring elephant in the room. And yet somehow he has invisible elephant glasses

00:05:56.840 on. He's aware of Israel. He is aware of some of the Jewish problems. I know he is. He has to be.

00:06:06.260 But I think there's friendship. I think there's money. I think it's probably messy. I mean,

00:06:11.280 the dude has got to be in the aid all the way up to the top of his head. I guarantee that the

00:06:18.040 israeli wire ben shapiro probably has had uh matt walsh sign about you know 40 different ndas over

00:06:25.900 the last few years i think think of even you know candace i know she's had some weird takes but

00:06:31.360 she's also been right about some pretty crazy things and overall i i appreciate candace well

00:06:38.760 candace you know as much as she kind of just talks and she does just talk right i mean it is

00:06:45.740 a female podcaster after all she just kind of says it and just says everything you gotta you 0.88

00:06:51.040 know you gotta acknowledge that uh she kind of sat on some of the daily wire drama for three years

00:06:56.820 with one particular woman who was working for the daily wire because she was in the aid there were 0.90

00:07:02.020 legal ramifications and as soon as that woman was separated from the daily wire then boom she was no

00:07:08.180 longer bound and she went off right she had like a whole episode just blasting this woman and how 1.00

00:07:13.620 terrible she was and the things that she did and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. It's probably a 1.00

00:07:18.720 similar scenario. Okay. That's what we're going to be talking about. We're going to be talking

00:07:22.420 about Matt Walsh. We're going to be talking about some of our predictions. We think that the time

00:07:27.740 is nigh, Matt Walsh. The time is nigh. I think that the departure is probably going to happen

00:07:33.680 in the very near future. And we're going to talk about some of the things that have made

00:07:37.680 this division between your Ben Shapiro's and Andrew Klavan, who is Jewish with a gay son that

00:07:45.220 he defends, and other guys on the other side of the aisle, like Matt Walsh and Michael Knowles,

00:07:52.220 that division has become more and more stark. And one of the big things is this principle of

00:07:57.720 netter, no enemies to the right. Matt Walsh has taken the position of, you know what,

00:08:03.460 I am not going to be spending my time on Twitter on a daily basis decrying Republican group chats

00:08:13.080 with 21-year-old frat boys who made a spicy joke about Hitler when on the other side of the

00:08:22.720 political aisle, they're literally assassinating conservatives in public in front of their wife

00:08:29.760 and children. This is insane. What are we even talking about? Matt is, I think, taking a courageous 0.69

00:08:37.720 and correct stand. And it is inevitable. His instincts that I think have been there all along,

00:08:47.340 as he continues to be courageous about them and consistently follow them through,

00:08:51.380 he will not be able to stay yoked to Ben Shapiro. Ben Shapiro is not interested in true

00:09:01.140 Christian nationalism. Ben Shapiro is not interested in true America first. I'm not

00:09:09.120 saying that Ben Shapiro is the worst of all Jews and blah, blah, blah. No, there's a sliding scale, 0.51

00:09:14.580 right? Let's have some high IQ anti-Semitism if you must, right? Not low IQ. Don't be foolish. 0.56

00:09:21.380 there's a difference between Sam Altman and Ben Shapiro. There is. At the same time, though, 1.00

00:09:27.940 Ben Shapiro loves him some Israel, and Ben Shapiro does not love Jesus. He doesn't. He's not interested

00:09:36.060 in America being truly a Christian nation. He wants Judeo-Christianity at most, but not Christianity, 0.86

00:09:43.920 and he wants Israel slash America first, but not America first. And as Matt Walsh continues to

00:09:51.420 follow his instincts that are dead on, you got to give the guy credit. Ben Shapiro is not going to

00:09:57.360 be along for that ride. And what the Daily Wire has boasted of, like, look, we're not a cult,

00:10:03.080 right? We're not authoritarian. Look at what we allow for in this spectrum of disagreement.

00:10:08.560 Yeah, we'll see.

00:10:10.040 We'll see.

00:10:11.700 I don't think that that's going to continue.

00:10:14.300 That's what we're talking about.

00:10:15.500 We're going to talk about the principle of Netter.

00:10:17.400 No enemies to the right.

00:10:18.920 What that means, why it's important.

00:10:21.040 That doesn't mean that there's no sin on the right.

00:10:23.640 That doesn't mean that there's never any discrepancy or failure or moral immorality on the right.

00:10:31.860 Of course there is. 0.94

00:10:32.700 But we're going to talk about how can we as Christians who love our brothers and sisters in Christ on the right still provide accountability, still esteem, repentance, and yet also publicly and politically not shoot our own and not sabotage our own movement, purity spiraling into oblivion, being beautiful losers forever.

00:10:59.280 We've got to stop that.

00:11:00.440 Ben Shapiro wants you to lose beautifully. And Matt Walsh, I think, is done with that.

00:11:07.940 God bless him. That's the episode today. Let's tune in now.

00:11:20.280 That was a great overview of really kind of feels like the last 10 years in conservative politics.

00:11:24.880 Yeah, we did an episode. Is this about Buchanan and Buckley? Yeah. Is this about like, I mean,

00:11:29.500 there's so many same story again and again story regurgitated again and again and again well we

00:11:34.880 did an episode a couple months ago daily wire you guys have to understand 2017 2018 they were

00:11:40.660 really the first to the scene when it came to conservative podcasts right not everybody could

00:11:45.020 pick up a podcast mic in 2018 and they were first and when you're first you kind of get your pick of

00:11:50.020 the litter and they had an all-star you get a legacy following you get a legacy following mike

00:11:54.760 winger right mike winger we we disagree on some things obviously i think i i i did a kind of spicy

00:12:01.080 comment on one of his posts today on twitter uh because he was saying would you guys need to be

00:12:05.000 appropriate with this or tone it down or whatever and i said hey mike you've been first right right

00:12:10.620 on multiple things and when you're first you get to lead um with this you're late so welcome we're

00:12:16.380 glad you're here sit down you don't get to leave grab a seat grab a lemonade enjoy the show like

00:12:21.320 hey it's 2025 and i i publicly posted yesterday that i've just now started to think about politics

00:12:29.580 and i'm ready to lead you know my moment is now but my point of bringing up mike winger and and

00:12:35.180 i like the guy you know um because he has been first on many other things or you know early on

00:12:40.100 many other things and and been helpful on like theological doctrinal things my point of bringing

00:12:43.900 it up when you look at mike winger it's like and listen to him um i'm not going to sit here and

00:12:48.680 say oh he's a loser or something like i think he's been good on some stuff he i mean he's a moderate

00:12:53.080 so i you know would be further to his right on pretty much everything not just politically 0.97

00:12:57.340 but doctrinally right it's not egalitarianism it's not patriarchy can't possibly be that that's

00:13:02.960 seems a bit extreme it must be complementarianism you know so on pretty much everything i'm to his

00:13:08.320 right but um the guy is well within the balance of orthodoxy he's well spoken he's thoroughly

00:13:13.380 researched so i'm not saying he's not talented i think he is and i think he's been relatively

00:13:18.400 faithful and i'm appreciative here's the point to your point um how in the world does the dude have

00:13:24.800 well over half a million followers on youtube oh he started youtubing a long time ago right right

00:13:31.480 how how does joe rogan have the biggest podcast ever unless spotify lets nick fuentes back on

00:13:37.320 right you know but like uh how how uh because joe rogan is a genius no i don't think so uh is he

00:13:45.300 entertaining yes so i'm not gonna say i do think he's smart i do i think he's a great interviewer

00:13:50.380 i think he picks great guests and great topics i think he's he's engaging he's interesting all

00:13:56.060 those things also also it's like the first podcast ever almost pretty much pretty much so so the

00:14:03.860 point is there is such a thing as a legacy following the rewards of simply being first

00:14:09.100 daily wire was first on the scene ben shapiro is still one of the most top is top five podcasts

00:14:14.560 in the united states as far as listenership now that doesn't necessarily reflect the influence

00:14:18.900 that he's having you can have a very popular podcast but people be listening to especially

00:14:22.920 people in positions of power be listening to other people but practically that legacy following 2015

00:14:29.000 to 2020 that's when they really built a team i mean you guys remember candace owens was at the

00:14:34.080 daily wire just a year and a half ago it was march 2024 crazy when she left brett cooper very popular

00:14:39.740 And she came onto the Daily Wire like only a year and a half before that. 0.95

00:14:43.080 Yep. 0.89

00:14:43.440 I mean, she had a pretty brief tenure. 0.90

00:14:45.160 Yeah, it didn't last too long. 1.00

00:14:46.380 She didn't last long.

00:14:46.920 And she stayed in the news too since that time.

00:14:49.160 Well, the Daily Wire, I mean, you know, Clavin and Shapiro, they were like, look, now that

00:14:53.600 Jeremy's gone, that was his hire. 0.92

00:14:55.840 We are not going to have a black woman on our platform. 1.00

00:14:58.000 We are not going to. 1.00

00:14:58.940 No, that was not it.

00:15:00.020 Michael Knowles, another like, they have an all-star cast.

00:15:02.960 Yeah.

00:15:03.300 But here's the tension.

00:15:04.200 Knowles is sharp.

00:15:05.240 I was about to say.

00:15:06.020 So Walsh is like your blue collar, every man Catholic, and he's awesome.

00:15:09.240 he's got i mean he just anything that he lacks in terms of in terms of knowledge uh he makes up for

00:15:15.740 in spades in terms of i would say twofold one courage and two um he really is a phenomenal

00:15:22.900 communicator yeah he really is knolls though is uh he's kind of your ivory tower white collar right

00:15:28.960 and sometimes people don't see that he doesn't always let on but every now and then you know

00:15:32.560 he'll have an episode it's like he's quoting catholic philosophers and things like that you

00:15:36.760 You know, quoting Aristotle and Aquinas, the angelic doctor, and getting into, like, metaphysics and stuff.

00:15:42.700 And you're like, you're a hoity-toity, you know, you're a hoity-toity boy.

00:15:47.460 This guy went to, you know, he did some schooling.

00:15:50.500 But that's the tension that's kind of existed is you have Knowles and you have Walsh.

00:15:54.440 Right.

00:15:54.560 And they're the two Catholics.

00:15:55.860 Now, the other popular commentators, you have Ben Shapiro, Orthodox Jew, Jeremy Boring, who is very broadly just evangelical.

00:16:02.780 Right.

00:16:02.940 He's Protestant.

00:16:03.540 He's evangelical. 0.65

00:16:03.980 Very much Zionist, Judeo-Christian, Normie evangelical. 0.79

00:16:07.980 Yep, very much so.

00:16:08.760 And Andrew Clavin, who grew up a secular Jew, became an atheist,

00:16:12.100 and now he calls himself kind of an Anglo-Catholic.

00:16:14.000 So he'd be Anglican without submission to the Catholic Church.

00:16:17.480 And so you have the two Catholic guys,

00:16:19.320 and they're very clearly the most based guys at Daily Wire,

00:16:22.340 Matt Walsh especially.

00:16:24.080 Real quick, you are not, let me ask,

00:16:27.420 you're not saying the difference between Clavin and Walsh and Knowles

00:16:31.660 is that Walsh and Knowles are papists, you know, Rome.

00:16:36.000 And Clavin, he's Catholic, Anglo-Catholic,

00:16:39.540 but not a submission to Rome.

00:16:41.080 And that's the difference.

00:16:43.460 What's the difference?

00:16:44.800 The difference is where their allegiances lie.

00:16:47.900 Where their allegiances lie.

00:16:49.280 And what do you think might be informing Clavin's allegiance

00:16:53.320 in a separate direction?

00:16:55.540 His ethnicity, where he comes from.

00:16:57.280 He's Jewish. 0.85

00:16:58.000 Understandably. 0.99

00:16:58.800 And I would say two. 1.00

00:17:00.240 One, Jewish.

00:17:00.820 you can't overlook it it's a thing guys it's a thing we're not trying to be mean spirited we're 0.99

00:17:04.400 not being hateful but we are just saying you you have to account for that there is a reason so one

00:17:10.500 is okay he's not practicing religious jew like shapiro is but he is jewish and that influences

00:17:16.360 the way that he thinks secondly he has a gay son right how many non-jewish white as as the driven

00:17:25.500 snow right white is the driven snow heritage american their last name in the civil war registry 0.89

00:17:32.780 a bajillion times evangelical pastor his kids grow up one of them turns out to be gay and he gets

00:17:39.980 soft right like that that just that affects a man it affects a man right timothy keller right 0.83

00:17:48.060 timothy keller remember like there was this one woman who was like a politician and it's not a

00:17:54.040 great start you know but like who was in his church for i think eight nine ten years yeah and

00:17:58.920 after he died people were saying certain things about you know um abortion you know is murder

00:18:04.240 and should be banned abolished you know hashtag true uh that's yes um or porn should be abolished 0.62

00:18:11.740 or homosexuality right uh is a sin grave evil and she like was arguing and and trying to make

00:18:20.180 an argument from um from the point of authority and pointing to tim keller and saying well i was 0.67

00:18:25.940 a part of the conservatives church i was a presbyterian i was a presbyterian at tim keller

00:18:31.320 a conservative pastor's church i'm like wow okay um and she was like and i was there for 10 years

00:18:37.000 and i never heard him say that abortion was bad and that was i mean that was powerful because

00:18:42.800 she's sitting there defending keller right and it's like and we're like oh yeah that like how

00:18:48.820 was he able to be successful and have a large church in manhattan oh that's right he never

00:18:53.420 preached against sin right not not sin at least uh public uh known sin that would be distasteful

00:19:04.080 to liberals and so my point is but but that was because i i think the number of reasons but at

00:19:11.440 least one that you could cite is well why why did keller have this this blind spot this this soft

00:19:17.780 spot this this compromised area i think part of it is because of family he had a gay son you know

00:19:25.240 or a gay brother gay brother gay brother and the case of clavin gay son spencer clavin and so you

00:19:31.440 look at that and it's like okay like they're compromised you look at walsh though it's like 0.72

00:19:36.460 he's not jewish he's catholic he's got six children six children has been living in the woods

00:19:45.820 you know his bio literally reads uh theocratic fascist right he's being a little tongue-in-cheek

00:19:50.640 but started podcasting in his car right he felt this way before it's not just like he signed a

00:19:56.020 deal and then all of a sudden started grifting he was saying things like in 2010 like ah 16 years

00:20:00.460 old is a great age for girls to marry i mean this dude has been he's been controversial yeah for a

00:20:04.880 while and so you have that tension there but here's ben daily wire is kind of secret to success

00:20:10.140 honestly any of their disputes they have kept that under wraps you talked about the nda that

00:20:15.180 Candace Owens has when she left. She's not even at the company. Years have gone by, a year at this 0.84

00:20:19.800 point. She literally still can't disparage. She can't talk badly about them. One of the things

00:20:24.400 that Daily Wire has done well is when you come in there and you get your show and you get your money

00:20:28.460 and you get the friendships and you get the connections is you carry the flag. You tow the

00:20:34.840 line. You don't disparage the team. However, there might be cracks beginning to show. And all this

00:20:40.700 was precipitated last week. We were busy, so we didn't get a chance to do an episode on it.

00:20:44.100 but last week probably one of the biggest news stories that has happened in

00:20:47.600 kind of the political space i would say in the last couple of months it's been a busy year story

00:20:51.980 ever ever all time a 21 year old kid made a joke about hitler i can't believe it that when i think

00:20:58.800 of things that should be national news stories yes that's right that's the top i mean hey somebody

00:21:04.800 shot in the neck who cares joke about hitler firing squad from a young man yep let's i mean 1.00

00:21:12.860 hang them. Yeah. Right. So thousands of messages were leaked to Politico by a New York Young 1.00

00:21:18.000 Republican board member, I believe, named Gavin Wax. Gavin leaked these messages because of a

00:21:22.680 personal slight. And the chats were very much so not politically correct. There was a whole range

00:21:27.380 of different things that people had said. And you had two reactions to this. There was two camps,

00:21:31.480 broadly speaking. There was one side that did the classic denouncement game. We denounce these

00:21:37.880 messages. We feel that these rants are antithetical to our conservative values. No conservative should

00:21:44.340 ever use this language. Guys lost offers to places that they were going to work. Guys lost their

00:21:50.300 jobs. People lost their positions in Young Republicans. Young Republicans is an affiliate

00:21:54.400 group that is attached to the Republican Party for individuals, I think it's under 30. So these

00:21:59.500 are the guys that are coming up in politics. They're getting involved. They're getting invested.

00:22:03.340 And which, for the record, if anyone listening to this, you should go to your Young Republican

00:22:06.380 group and take it over what i don't mean is go in there with the right response you know 2025

00:22:10.400 conference t-shirt you should hide your power levels go in be involved yeah take over your

00:22:15.880 local young republicans yeah don't that's where young conservatives are you want to get ahead

00:22:19.940 you want to be successful you want to gain real influence and power let me give you one tip

00:22:26.080 do not say my name just joe webbin who's that yeah just nope secretly right treat me like the

00:22:34.660 fat girl you know what i mean it's like a secret little you know obsession you know when you're in

00:22:39.260 private in your car you're listening to the podcast but publicly uh joel webin i don't know

00:22:44.860 the man do what peter did right when peter did it it was jesus christ it was wrong three denials

00:22:49.640 in this case i am encouraging you please deny me all right so who's that guy the the protestant

00:22:57.140 version of matt walsh yeah so this blew up and you had one side that denounced they said we

00:23:01.460 condemn this. These people shouldn't have jobs. But you had another side. And I like to actually

00:23:05.700 think this is guys on the right that are actually learning to win. And the biggest name among them

00:23:09.900 is not Matt Walsh, but the vice president of the United States. And we have our criticisms of Vance,

00:23:14.560 but he was good here. He came out and he said, hey, all right, so some young Republicans,

00:23:18.840 that's my political party. They said some spicy things in a group chat. Here's the deal. I don't

00:23:23.620 care. A couple of weeks ago, there was another leaked message. So we Republicans, we had our

00:23:28.360 leaked message there were some edgy jokes there was some hitler love in there we had that two

00:23:33.660 weeks ago wrinkle just a sprinkle yeah two weeks ago messages were leaked from a candidate for

00:23:39.020 attorney general in virginia an individual named jay jones same kind of thing right yes so we got

00:23:45.080 it was just uh you know you had a hitler joke over here and then over there you had a stalin joke

00:23:49.180 yep a polpa joke right that's all well no actually what we had in those texts and you can actually

00:23:53.700 see some of it here on the screen this was an individual who was texting with jay jones again

00:23:59.460 the candidate for attorney general in virginia not a 21 year old frat boy no so one distinction

00:24:07.240 the position the power the authority it's formal okay second difference here we have a joke about

00:24:14.120 hitler oh wait no we don't can you read it so this is there's more text in this i'm not going

00:24:18.940 to go through the whole saga because this was a couple weeks ago you probably saw it you can google

00:24:22.080 it but here's this individual and they're pressing him because he's literally saying he's like uh

00:24:26.520 i want i'm wishing harm on my political opponents and their children for being republicans he called

00:24:32.320 them little fascists so the individual texting says you weren't trying to understand you were 0.51

00:24:37.200 talking about hoping jennifer gilbert's children would die jay jones responds yes i've told you

00:24:43.540 this before only when people feel pain personally do they move on policy again and again he was

00:24:50.380 pressed and privately he was like i want their children dead i don't know this individual their 1.00

00:24:56.640 kids they're little fascists they deserve to die insane so there is no uh equivalency on the right 1.00

00:25:04.060 there's not um certainly not with any formal political um official right so there is no 0.99

00:25:12.240 high up you know political official or candidate running for office uh where you would find the

00:25:18.300 equivalent. You might find a joke. Sure. But you will not. I'm going to find two jokes. But here's

00:25:23.360 the thing on the young Republicans chat. Number one, it's jokes. Is there some truth? Do they

00:25:29.500 actually think maybe Hitler wasn't a monster? Maybe he has some good policies. Yeah, there 0.97

00:25:33.420 might be some truth, but you would have to feign omniscience, infallibility to assume that you know

00:25:40.500 that. This is abundantly clear. This is not a joke. And what I'm saying is, here's the difference.

00:25:46.560 you have a 21 year old frat boy he's he's not running for anything he's not you know he's not

00:25:52.640 in a position of power or a candidate real candidate for a position of power so the position

00:25:58.040 is different second you have what very clearly seems to be a joke rather than something that's

00:26:04.100 serious third you have a joke about a historical figure from 80 years ago right here you have

00:26:10.840 someone wishing harm on children not just a political opponent but their children who have

00:26:17.220 done nothing they're not fascists they're not communists they're five they're five i want them 0.98

00:26:22.920 dead and and the last difference that has to be pointed out you have a couple jokes with no 0.98

00:26:28.440 pushback here you have somebody saying something that is not a joke and and if you look at it this

00:26:34.360 is just one one screenshot that we're showing you um you can look at this was a lengthy conversation

00:26:40.080 with pushback offered like again and again and again multiple times you don't really mean this

00:26:47.060 please you know like mr frodo you don't really mean this you know you don't actually mean this

00:26:52.040 wait no can you clarify that could could you could you interpret this could you wait like

00:26:58.620 a million different off ramps in this and and the person is like no i literally mean i want

00:27:06.940 physical pain in this instance that being death of my political opponent's children because that's

00:27:16.100 how we get things done now i would say this is a terrible person uh but i would say more than that

00:27:21.900 i would say this person is terrible they're also par for the course for the political left that is

00:27:29.440 the left the left has refused to denounce us right so young republicans tons of people tons

00:27:35.040 of organizations they came out and denounced it they all came out clutched their pearls right

00:27:39.200 so jay jones is stepped down from the race he's not running he's been denounced and uh oh wait no

00:27:45.560 nope still running still in the race not denounced by any as far as i know any leading democrats

00:27:51.240 they sat up that's right took a blind eye and said nope see no evil he's on our evil speak

00:27:56.320 no evil yep he's on our team we will not uh will not speak ill so let's go ahead and compare ben

00:28:02.400 Shapiro I said there's two camps the denounce how could you this is unbecoming and then there's we

00:28:07.560 don't care there's a couple people they're kind of posting some of them posted a picture of Charlie

00:28:10.960 with his children I don't care about leaked group chats right I ran on the train yeah I don't care

00:28:15.880 about the group chat amen so that's one group there's the denounce group let's play first Ben

00:28:20.680 Shapiro's take on this yep finally it actually is not sufficient to publicly proclaim you're not

00:28:26.780 going to condemn these people well you don't say anything about their comments and instead just

00:28:31.580 project to the other side. Because strategically, on a strategic level, this is how your party ends

00:28:37.680 up being taken over by the ambulatory psychotics. Okay, I want to look at the left because that's 0.59

00:28:41.140 how it happened. The left decided they would not, under any circumstances, condemn their own

00:28:45.340 ambulatory psychotics because those people were part of their coalition and they couldn't do it

00:28:49.820 or they would lose. And you know what ended up happening? The alligator ate them first, not last.

00:28:55.020 They ended up being taken over by the crazy wing. Because if you lose your systemic immunity to 0.95

00:29:00.440 crazy, crazy tends to be really, really, really infectious. You lose your immunity to crazy.

00:29:07.780 Crazy tends to be really infectious. That's the line him and others like Seth Dillon are running

00:29:12.060 with. The left let its crazies loose and they're crazies with transgender ideology, all these other 0.99

00:29:18.000 things. They took over the party and that's why they're losing now. But we're facing the exact 0.99

00:29:22.880 same thing on the right. Let's get Matt Walsh's take on that. Yep. And I've heard this argument

00:29:26.980 that, well, the left is losing because they failed to drive out the radical elements of

00:29:32.000 their party.

00:29:32.700 I think there's a false premise there, though.

00:29:34.240 I don't think that's actually happening.

00:29:36.000 I think Mondani, one of the most radical political figures we've ever seen in this country, is

00:29:39.840 about to be the mayor of our largest city.

00:29:41.960 Because there are no Republicans or moderates in New York, man.

00:29:44.020 I mean, Trump's been president twice.

00:29:45.540 And it was the trans issue that killed Kamala Harris in the last election because they won't 0.53

00:29:48.720 stop doing the trans issue, which is the most extreme element of the party, including, obviously,

00:29:53.080 you know, what happened to Charlie.

00:29:54.200 But that's also, that's another thing too, is that when we talk about sort of the quote unquote radical elements of the right versus the radical elements of the left, these are not exactly the same thing. The radical element of the left denies basic biological reality. I mean, you're militating against these basic realities that we all understand. That's not happening on the right. There is no equivalent of that, of someone saying that men can have babies. Like that's, there's just no, there's no exact equivalent of that.

00:30:21.000 i think matt puts his finger right on it here's the one big difference between left and right

00:30:26.720 and i'll pass it to you the right foundationally is not a rejection of nature right well you have

00:30:32.720 radicals on the right and radicals on the left and we have to reject both of them well one political

00:30:37.140 ideology is literally the foundation of it is emancipation from every hierarchy from every bond

00:30:43.860 from everything it's the disintegration of family it's the disintegration of work and economics it

00:30:49.000 is flattening everything is anti-nature right the right may have its radicals but at the very least

00:30:54.460 what you can say about them we've talked about this before hey they are not people trying to

00:30:58.120 turn men into women and that's a huge difference even they are categorically your radicals on the

00:31:03.900 left and your supposed radicals on the right hey here's a big difference between them one of them

00:31:07.640 is trying to undo nature the other one for all their faults at least recognize there is a natural

00:31:13.220 order and a natural hierarchy in the world that's been made. What do you think? You might say that

00:31:19.800 on the right, there's still sin, but they are sinning in the right direction.

00:31:25.780 I heard a poet say that once. I've heard it said. And a lot of people lost their minds,

00:31:31.260 but the people that lost their minds, of course, the reason why is not because they're on the right,

00:31:35.060 but because they are liberals. At the end of the day, I think that was one of the biggest things

00:31:40.320 for me and it really was a mercy from the lord um just convicting me uh by the power of the holy

00:31:46.060 spirit and helping me to realize joel you are a liberal you're a liberal um the final arbiter of

00:31:54.180 truth for you is not my word but classical liberalism um and i think that's that that's

00:32:00.480 what you have to realize is like well ben shapiro is not a liberal he's a conservative no he is a

00:32:04.080 conservative liberal it's it's liberalism uh it's it's still you're still on the plantation it's like

00:32:10.420 just ping pong back and forth back and forth back and forth but you never can actually be liberated

00:32:14.580 you can never break out it's two sides same coin um it's this idea of of okay well yeah i take you

00:32:22.260 know the the lower taxes position and instead of infinity immigration you know we'll just have

00:32:27.220 billions in immigration you know and or uh illegal immigration is bad but we need even more legal

00:32:32.840 immigrant like but at the end of the day it again it's two sides of the same coin uh both policies

00:32:38.740 are uh white people should be replaced one says it out loud chuck schumer right and one doesn't

00:32:46.160 say it out loud uh but pushes for the same kind of policies that will effectively accomplish

00:32:50.800 that end um and and so with every issue it's um we would like to compromise quickly we would like

00:32:57.140 to compromise slowly and that's the only difference between the two and i think what

00:33:02.260 Walsh is doing is he's getting off of the liberalism plantation, classical liberalism.

00:33:07.020 He's realizing, oh, I don't want to be a liberal. And for that matter, I mean, it's unfortunate

00:33:12.980 because I think conservative is actually a good word. But in the year of our Lord, 2025,

00:33:17.540 you know, he's realizing just like we have, and we did a whole episode on this where we said,

00:33:21.100 you know, brothers, we are not conservatives. And what we meant by that is because conservatism

00:33:26.100 as a political ideology conserves whatever is presently the status quo and the reality is that

00:33:33.080 we have no desire whatsoever to conserve the year of our lord 2025 it's a bad year it's all bad we

00:33:41.100 reject it all i'm not interested in like you know what you know what we'll take uh we'll take the 1.00

00:33:47.320 homos but not transgender right or uh we'll take this but not the gay furries you know like i'm a 0.98

00:33:53.940 conservative right i remember i think it was john doyle he i thought it was funny he was like

00:33:58.200 50 years from now in the same way it's like well i'm an mlk conservative you know martin luther

00:34:03.480 king right um serial adulterer um like just unapologetic uh from marxists heritage yeah

00:34:11.040 puppet for jewish marxists um psyop plant and and all this is verifiable um in the same way that you

00:34:18.000 know 50 years later people are like i'm a martin luther king jr conservative he made the joke and

00:34:22.920 said uh you know 50 years from now we'll have people saying i'm a george floyd conservative

00:34:26.440 he was rejecting fiat currency by having a counterfeit 20 bill you know in his final uh

00:34:32.300 gasping breaths he was calling out for his mother right strong family ties and natural affection

00:34:37.060 like no like no he there's no such thing as a george floyd conservative the dude was a career

00:34:42.760 criminal he put a gun to a woman's pregnant belly he overdosed on fentanyl that's how he died

00:34:49.820 but that's that's what conservatives do that's my point conservatives historically speaking not

00:34:56.340 always but at least for the last 40 50 years now have just been the right side of the liberalism

00:35:05.280 plantation and i think what guys are starting to realize is like no we don't want any of it

00:35:11.260 we reject it wholesale we don't want anything to do with liberalism liberalism destroyed the

00:35:17.820 country. It destroyed the West. We're done with that. And so, yeah, I think that the differences

00:35:23.640 are immense. When you look at the left and their total, you said it well, Wes, their total rejection

00:35:29.940 of nature. And on the right, you just have a partial rejection. Think about that. That's

00:35:35.200 what conservatives in 2025 would do. They're still rejecting nature. So they're like, well,

00:35:39.760 you can't uh you can't be transgender um but you absolutely can be a woman in political positions

00:35:47.880 of authority exercised over men you can also be a woman in uh the military wearing a man's uniform

00:35:55.560 just you know maybe not the front lines of combat you know she she should just be you know uh you

00:36:02.020 know directing the drones you know um you like what are we conserving that's still liberalism

00:36:08.280 all of our forefathers would have been disgusted they would be like you're putting a woman in a

00:36:14.580 pantsuit to stand in the white house as the speaker and representative of our nation uh 0.98

00:36:22.720 you know owning the libs like talking down to men um exercising kingly presidential authority

00:36:30.920 i'm speaking of pam bondy right now um who who who would have said like find me a quote from

00:36:38.900 george washington where he would have said this is true historic american values based 0.98

00:36:43.940 based no you're gay you're gay republicans are gay conservatives are gay it's all gay it's all 0.99

00:36:52.360 fake it's all gay and matt walsh is he's awake he is awake and realizing i don't want to play 0.99

00:36:59.200 this game anymore ben shapiro represents the bookmark right the bookend on the right side 0.95

00:37:05.860 of the losing ideology that destroyed all the western civilization that being 20th century

00:37:13.640 classical liberalism we're done with that matt walsh is done with that he's not going to play

00:37:19.260 the game anymore god bless him yeah so we'll see this tension how it plays out because at this

00:37:24.400 point you're getting views that are so far outside it's going to become impossible to stay under the

00:37:29.440 same roof they launched a new show called friendly fire it's ben shapiro it's michael knowles matt

00:37:34.480 walsh and andrew clavin discussing kind of the the hot topics so this kind of is a replacement

00:37:38.940 for backstage that was kind of their all access show in the past with the four hosts jeremy boring

00:37:43.320 was on that he's no longer ceo so now you have the four of them launching a new show and you can see

00:37:48.120 different clips from that circulating where ben is kind of going off he's doing his same well the

00:37:52.200 left has its crazies and they refuse to denounce them that's what gotham is losing position now

00:37:56.240 then the right has to do the same thing and i don't want to read too much into it i mean the

00:38:00.420 guys there in the presence of his boss you can see matt's face of like i don't know how much longer

00:38:05.920 i can do this and regardless of well maybe he he his body language this side or the other

00:38:11.240 they most definitely have come down on two different sides of a very important issue

00:38:16.140 and it's funny you mentioned it in the cold open but it's worth repeating the topic nobody can shut

00:38:20.660 up about right now is israel right like we've got to be honest left right center up down everybody

00:38:26.420 is talking about israel and it's very telling matt walsh and michael knows you can tell they have not

00:38:33.120 said a word they haven't come out they're not like ben shapiro so they're not big bibby fans or

00:38:37.640 anything like that but they've also refused to counter signal and distance themselves it's this

00:38:42.360 glaring thing like man this is the topic everyone's talking about very much so looking forward to

00:38:46.120 getting Matt Walsh's take on it.

00:38:47.740 I'm sure it's in an episode here somewhere.

00:38:50.300 I'm looking.

00:38:51.240 I'm looking.

00:38:52.020 I'm going.

00:38:53.000 Catholic doctrine has a lot to say on this. 1.00

00:38:54.740 Michael Knowles, like Catholics and Jews

00:38:56.460 have had a long storied history.

00:38:59.160 Very little from him.

00:39:00.980 So we could be in the very final days.

00:39:02.840 And Knowles knows this.

00:39:03.540 He knows his history.

00:39:04.920 So we could be in the very final days of Matt Walsh

00:39:07.340 and even Michael Knowles at Daily Wire.

00:39:09.320 And we all know they would do great.

00:39:11.860 They would do great.

00:39:12.600 Blown up.

00:39:13.460 The Daily Wire would not.

00:39:14.760 the daily wire would be for all intents and purposes it would be done it would be a one-man

00:39:19.720 show it would be ben shapiro basically yep so let's talk more about no enemies to the right

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00:41:32.600 choice. In November 2023, a witch hunt broke out for a Christian classical school educator. It's

00:41:52.960 kind of very similar to the leaked group text,

00:41:54.960 but some spicy tweets were found

00:41:56.740 from an old account that he had

00:41:58.240 and the man with his family,

00:42:00.240 so the job that he used to provide for his family,

00:42:03.080 he was fired from.

00:42:04.100 The witch had followed him to different places.

00:42:06.140 He tried to gain gainful employment, 0.57

00:42:08.140 literally put food on the table for his family.

00:42:10.280 Right, so not just he lost his position,

00:42:12.660 but then now I'm working for a manufacturer.

00:42:15.860 Nothing in any position of authority

00:42:17.540 with ministry or anything like that.

00:42:19.100 And they're going to hunt me down,

00:42:20.740 follow me there.

00:42:21.700 like so it's not just oh well we need to protect this position uh you know a christian position

00:42:27.040 with influence and authority no it's um it's just malice it's uh this man needs we need to see his

00:42:34.280 kids starve so in the midst of that dog pile roger rare great guy not really uh he converted

00:42:41.500 to eastern orthodoxy i think a little bit ago i also his family believe yep left his wife so not

00:42:47.240 a great guy he was joining in on the dog pile trying to get this guy fired trying to get his

00:42:51.220 life destroyed. And Charles Haywood, in his classical sense, he said, who cares? No enemies

00:42:56.380 to the right. And I honestly, I can't think of any simple phrase that evokes as much disdain and

00:43:03.880 ire among your James Lindsay's of the world, your Seth Dillon's of the world than that simple

00:43:08.460 little phrase, no enemies to the right. Now, what we mean by that, what Charles Haywood means by

00:43:13.620 that, he's written at length about it. What Matt Walsh is getting at with this is he's saying no

00:43:18.940 enemies to the political right. It's important to distinguish that what no enemies to the right

00:43:23.440 does not mean is that anyone on the right has free license to be immoral. So someone in your

00:43:30.220 party has an affair. No enemies to the right. Can't say anything about that. Someone abandons

00:43:35.540 his family. Oh, he's to the right. Can't say anything about that. No, what it means is that

00:43:39.420 with our political capital, which is limited, you don't have infinite time. You don't have

00:43:43.680 infinite money. You don't have infinite resources. You don't have infinite people to run. With our

00:43:48.600 limited capital in the moment we have right now when the left is literally you have terror cells

00:43:53.540 spread out through the nation with antifa you have conservatives being shot in front of large

00:43:59.120 crowds of college students in our moment in our time right now with a limited political capital

00:44:04.060 we have there is not an ounce of it that needs to be spent counter signaling things on the right

00:44:10.220 that you disagree with so no many no enemies on the right does not mean we turn a blight to

00:44:14.820 immorality because it's on the right it doesn't mean you have to agree with everybody on the right

00:44:19.140 what it is saying is in our moment the greatest threat that there is don't publicly and politically

00:44:24.200 attack your own exactly and for anybody who's like well sounds a bit hypocritical because didn't you

00:44:28.540 just do that with ben shapiro the answer is very simple he's not on the right exactly never has

00:44:32.720 been not even close exactly and so we're not going to use any of that until the left is defeated and

00:44:39.940 i want to give kind of an example of this rhetoric and it sounds really pious to be honest doesn't

00:44:44.260 to sound so pious to say well jesus has enemies on the right doesn't he we have to have enemies

00:44:49.780 on the right too we want to be like jesus let me use a little illustration and i'll turn it over to

00:44:54.000 you before we use this case in point uh apology of church and jeff durbin out in arizona a couple

00:44:58.960 years ago positive example a positive example they were working with a mormon state representative

00:45:04.200 to put forward a law that would uh give equal protection to infants in the womb so a bill of

00:45:11.100 abolition working with a state representative who was a mormon to file and get that bill passed

00:45:16.640 now apologia and jeff durbin and james white have significant disagreements with mormonism

00:45:22.980 they do not believe they're christians we don't believe that we have those disagreements as well

00:45:27.080 yeah but you'll notice they recognized hey um i'm not inviting these guys in to preach in my church

00:45:32.500 i'm not inviting them for a conference i'm not even having them for a debate there's a problem

00:45:36.880 out here. Theological alliance. Exactly. There's a problem out here that has a political solution

00:45:42.800 in our state house, through law, through legislation. And so practically, someone who is

00:45:48.560 theologically an enemy on the opposite side. We don't even think as a Christian, we recognize 0.83

00:45:54.080 that our agreement here means we can lock hands narrowly for this common good, namely the saving

00:46:01.100 of the unborn. So even Apologia, Jeff Durbin, James White, they recognize, hey, there's times

00:46:07.460 and places where our disagreements that are real and substantial, I mean, there is no smaller

00:46:12.400 disagreement than the divinity of Jesus. Even those in contexts where it makes sense and it's

00:46:18.940 applicable to say, we're going to lay those differences aside, not forever, but for the time 0.94

00:46:23.400 being to work towards this political end, and afterwards we can kill each other. But they

00:46:28.380 practically recognize it we all know this let's read a tweet now from toby something toby sumter

00:46:33.300 this was just today uh real quick who is toby sumter toby sumter is a pastor of it is not

00:46:39.280 christ church it is right i think it's king's cross cross church in moscow idaho right so he

00:46:43.960 was the associate pastor for uh doug wilson right hand guy for doug wilson with christ church in

00:46:48.960 moscow idaho for many years and uh and had and toby and doug have done a lot of faithful ministry

00:46:55.340 of which we're grateful for.

00:46:58.340 And then he set out and planted a church

00:47:00.120 still in the same area in Moscow, Idaho,

00:47:02.420 but very much still a right-hand man for Doug Wilson.

00:47:06.480 Yes.

00:47:07.140 So Toby Sumter, fresh this morning,

00:47:08.840 fresh off a pot of coffee, he said this,

00:47:10.920 conservatives do need to learn to work together.

00:47:13.140 But as Douglas Wilson has said,

00:47:14.860 there are two problems with no enemies to the right.

00:47:17.960 One, that depends entirely

00:47:19.580 on whether God has enemies to the right. 0.99

00:47:21.920 And two, it's dumb because it just tells the devil 0.91

00:47:24.800 which flank you won't defend so let let me take it from here take it okay first it is imperative 0.93

00:47:33.060 that you recognize that Doug Wilson has done some good things in the province of God for which we

00:47:37.440 should be respectful and grateful for number two it is imperative that you understand that Doug

00:47:41.840 Wilson is to the left of our vice president J.D. Vance whose son's name is Vivek

00:47:49.120 who has pictures with himself with a red dot on the forehead in Indian Hindu garb

00:47:55.800 who is in the pocket of a gay man partnered with a Jewish man talking about Peter Thiel

00:48:03.800 and Alex Karp and Palantir and facial recognition the tech right bros who want infinity immigration 0.54

00:48:10.500 with H1 visas that JD Vance who has done some good things that I'm grateful for but he is not

00:48:18.700 by any stretch of the imagination, a far right bastion of, you know, conservatism. I don't think

00:48:26.420 he is. I don't think he is. So J.D. Vance, with all the things that I just mentioned, I would argue

00:48:32.960 in many ways is to our left, demonstrably to our left. Doug Wilson is to his left. Because when

00:48:44.260 this happened with the young republicans and the chat leak jd vance god bless him he immediately

00:48:51.860 came out and he showed that screenshot that we showed earlier from this political candidate on

00:48:59.240 the left saying uh-uh i'm not going to get upset about some you know kid young adult making spicy

00:49:08.480 jokes about hitler when we have political candidates for serious public positions on the

00:49:16.740 left not just making jokes but insisting after being asked to clarify multiple times insisting

00:49:23.340 i wish physical harm and death on my political opponents and their kids jd vance that was his 0.97

00:49:32.540 take. Pretty good take. Yeah. Got to give him credit. God bless him. Pretty good take. Wish 1.00

00:49:38.500 his son wasn't named Vivek, but pretty good take. And you just have to see this. You have to see

00:49:44.420 this. I appreciate Doug Wilson, but you have to see that is about, I would say, a thousand miles

00:49:51.460 to the right of Pastor Doug Wilson. Our vice president, our Catholic vice president with a

00:50:00.140 Hindu wife is demonstrably definitively objectively to the right of Doug Wilson 0.63

00:50:09.020 because Doug Wilson's take is not hey this isn't a big deal this other thing is a way bigger deal 0.81

00:50:18.040 and I'm going to shine the light on our real objective political opponents on the left and

00:50:24.900 not waste capital in shooting our own, especially when our own happens to be 20-year-old frat boys

00:50:31.720 making jokes about Hitler. No, Doug Wilson is not able to exercise that kind of wisdom and insight

00:50:40.280 and tactical political strategy as our vice president with a Hindu wife. How do I know this? 1.00

00:50:47.800 Well, I know this because his right-hand man came out and posted the tweet that Wes just showed you

00:50:54.560 it represents quotes doug wilson and his view i also know it firsthand from personal experience

00:51:02.320 not just recently with a young republican leak but in my own life about a year and a half ago

00:51:07.640 when it happened to me he tweeted after jd vance just to add one more piece of data he said the

00:51:12.560 reason i don't care about a leak group chat this is doug wilson leak is it's a great way to identify

00:51:17.280 people so his right hand man and a ton of people in the comments said what do you mean by that

00:51:22.960 Yeah. Like, do you mean identify people like identify the neocons who are clutching their

00:51:28.000 pearls and feigning disgust and shock and awe? No, I don't think that's what he means.

00:51:34.220 And this isn't imputing motives. This is from precedent, right? What we should assume,

00:51:40.060 what you must assume Doug Wilson means by that tweet. The reason I'm not upset about the leak

00:51:45.860 from this young Republican group chat is because it lets me identify the bad guys, right? The

00:51:52.720 reason why you should assume he's not talking about the bad guys meaning the people who come

00:51:57.420 out and denounce it and clutch their pearls but rather the bad guys being those young men in the

00:52:02.420 chat themselves the reason you should assume that that is his meaning is because that is what he has

00:52:08.480 done himself a year and a half ago i try not to bring this up we haven't talked about it much

00:52:13.720 since okay but it is directly correlated to the young republican group chat and the leak that

00:52:19.340 just happened, which is now national news. So it is highly relevant and pertinent for this

00:52:24.980 conversation. A year and a half ago, we had an individual who was a member in our church and is

00:52:30.660 still, by God's grace, a member in good standing in our church, who I love and respect. He loves

00:52:37.700 the Lord. He's a good husband, good father, good Christian man. This individual was getting J-pilled

00:52:45.900 and starting to do some of the reading which led to a little bit of noticing right if you give a

00:52:51.460 mouse a cookie you ask for a glass of milk right if you read a little bit of world war ii history

00:52:56.700 or a little bit of general patent you know you start to notice a few things and this is a german

00:53:03.680 man who lives in our church lives in america on a green card his wife is american uh but you know

00:53:10.580 He's born and raised in Germany, and so as he's going through this journey of kind of doing the

00:53:17.040 reading and kind of looking into some revisionist World War II history as a German man who would

00:53:25.660 like to exonerate as much as he can, right, not stretching the truth, not exercising falsehoods,

00:53:34.900 but as much as he can truthfully, he would like to exonerate his forefathers, his German

00:53:39.760 forefathers. And so he texted. He did not tweet. It was not public, just like the Young

00:53:46.260 Republicans. This is a private group chat. Well, in this case, he texted just him and one other

00:53:51.420 person, his former pastor, German pastor, who he was a member of that church for eight years.

00:53:58.120 This was not just his pastor. This was his friend. And he's going on this journey,

00:54:03.000 reading about World War II history, reading about his own forefathers, his own people,

00:54:06.960 what were their motives what was really going on where did they really sin where have I been lied

00:54:12.040 to through propaganda this that and the other and he is texting back and forth with his former

00:54:18.700 German pastor and at one point he sends him a spicy meme right and the meme was a classic

00:54:26.160 like Rockefeller kind of you know painting that's a woman you know who's a mom she's leaning over

00:54:34.600 getting something out of the oven and her daughter little girl sitting at the kitchen table and the 0.83

00:54:39.120 girl asked mom what was the holocaust and she responds by saying well the holocaust was the

00:54:44.120 one time in history that jews had to do manual labor and so therefore they claimed that it killed

00:54:48.060 them it's a joke it's a joke and he texts that to his friend of eight years and former pastor

00:54:56.820 in confidence privately between two people well that meme is shared by his pastor with doug wilson

00:55:03.880 and with James White. And both of those Reformed Christian ministers start to talk about it

00:55:11.460 publicly. They don't name, but they talk in detail about the instance. Dug through a blog,

00:55:19.780 sharing the picture of the meme. This is happening with a member, a member of a Reformed church

00:55:24.980 shared this, right? James White starts talking about it on the podcast. So my point is,

00:55:32.420 what Toby tweeted is not just something that he heard the principle from his mentor spiritual

00:55:41.880 mentor Doug Wilson he didn't just hear the principle he saw the principle modeled he saw

00:55:48.660 the principle modeled by Doug Wilson and by James White with the sights lasered in on me

00:55:56.040 my ministry my church and my member who i love and i stood up and i didn't back down

00:56:05.240 and we broke fellowship over it no more public partnering between us and moscow or us and

00:56:14.780 apologia for that matter even though we still speak positively when we can like the example

00:56:19.240 that west just shared about apologia partnering with mormons not theologically but politically

00:56:24.200 when it comes to abolishing abortion. So, all that being said, sadly, Doug Wilson and his

00:56:33.600 principle of, well, of course there are enemies on the right, because the question is, does God

00:56:38.340 have enemies on the right? But here's the deal. God has used, by his providence, we see this in

00:56:44.500 scripture, we've seen this throughout church history, God has used multiple people who were

00:56:49.940 sinful characters. It had problems. Samson was unruly, low impulse control on that guy,

00:56:57.800 right? Not a lot of self-discipline, not a lot of self-control. God used him mightily.

00:57:04.680 It would not have behooved the Israelites to counter Samson, who God is using as an instrument

00:57:12.740 for the liberation and salvation of those people, right?

00:57:17.500 So the question is not, you know, Doug would phrase it as like,

00:57:21.760 well, does God have enemies on the right?

00:57:24.020 That's not the question.

00:57:25.220 The question should be, is there sin on the right?

00:57:28.480 And the answer is yes, there's sin on the right, the left, and the center.

00:57:32.480 No man attains to a state of sinless perfection in this life.

00:57:37.600 We know that.

00:57:38.220 1 John teaches us, when we see him, that being Christ,

00:57:41.940 we shall be like him for we will see him as he is meaning his sinlessness in heaven it is not only

00:57:49.260 that the penalty of sin has been paid and the power of sin has been broken but in heaven in

00:57:55.400 the life to come even the presence of sin will be no more until the life to come until our heavenly

00:58:02.660 eternal existence with the triune god sin in its presence even for the christian will always remain

00:58:10.900 In this life, you are a sinner saved by grace, a saint on the one hand, yes and amen, and a sinner 0.62

00:58:17.780 on the other. It is a dual reality, a dual identity. Both these things simultaneously true,

00:58:24.380 neither in contradiction to the other. There is sin on the right. So then how do we deal with sin?

00:58:32.380 Well, we deal with sin in the context where the sin occurs. So if somebody privately texts you,

00:58:39.060 then you privately correct them if you think it's actually sin, right? And there's a whole debate to

00:58:46.120 be had in the case of this member of my church and this meme as a joke, right? And, you know,

00:58:52.480 the counter from Moscow and from James White and others was, yeah, well, he's mocking the victims

00:58:58.380 of atrocious, you know, crimes committed against the Jews. Well, that's actually not what he was

00:59:04.700 doing, right? Putting objective historical realities aside for a moment. In the mind of my

00:59:12.420 member, he was not mocking real objective victims of atrocities. He was mocking a historical

00:59:19.540 narrative that he doesn't believe in. So even if it is true, in his mind, it's not, or greatly

00:59:27.980 embellished. And so he's mocking propaganda in his mind. He's mocking a narrative, a narrative,

00:59:36.500 not people. He's not saying, I know the Holocaust happened. I know that people were unjustly treated 0.58

00:59:43.000 and many of them murdered. And I am mocking victims. That thought never crossed his mind.

00:59:51.960 I talked to him at length about it. Never crossed his mind. It's not what he was thinking at all.

00:59:56.820 He was sharing a meme in confidence between two people, not tweeting it, texting it with his former pastor of eight years with relationship and context and friendship, mocking a historical event tongue-in-cheek through the avenue of humor.

01:00:12.600 all this so clear so obvious and it was publicized it was publicized by reformed

01:00:20.560 christian ministers which again you have to understand this squarely places those men

01:00:27.020 well to the left of our current vice president with a hindu wife

01:00:33.340 that's where we are in the reformed world right now them's the facts how's the reformed world

01:00:41.340 doing right now chat are we back hashtag based nope we are not back we are not back the most

01:00:50.120 conservative well-known notorious ministers within the reformed world right don't get me started

01:00:57.920 on the sbc the bca my goodness right it's just not even worth mentioning right no we're talking

01:01:06.480 about the based denomination and its leaders, the CREC. To the left, by a mile, of the vice

01:01:17.040 president whose son's name is Vivek. That's where we are. That's where we are. Back to you.

01:01:25.960 That was really good. And nothing about no enemies to the right, like you said,

01:01:29.340 precludes private confrontation, precludes church discipline. This is what Stephen Wolfe did

01:01:35.060 so well in his book. Hey, the category of politics is not the category of the church,

01:01:39.680 is not the category of theology. There is a distinct realm of politics, not governed by

01:01:44.660 a different morality, as if things that are immoral in the church are suddenly moral in

01:01:48.380 politics. But there are different strategies and practical implications and contexts that are just

01:01:54.100 different than theology. And when you recognize that, that's when you're able to say, like the

01:01:58.320 Mormons, hey, actually this makes sense. And it's sadly what people were unable to do. They took

01:02:03.960 it's just gross how they took something private and said i'm gonna i'm gonna politicize it that

01:02:08.780 was one of the questions like this feels political and it's like it very much so is and they took a

01:02:12.880 political context and then said instead of in the political context understanding we share a lot of

01:02:18.000 the same goals i'm gonna turn around pull a rack back on my ar-15 and let loose yeah we have a lot

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01:05:52.180 All right, let's do it.

01:05:53.520 so Joel you want to go ahead and take this first one from this dude rocks uh sure uh let's go to

01:05:58.680 the top guys remember during the commercial break when I was shouting to the top okay uh so the

01:06:04.320 first one is c runner 1277 he said lord protect these Texans amen it's a bit self-serving if I

01:06:13.380 if I do say so myself but uh these two men must be protected at all costs all right number two

01:06:19.560 alex daniel uh he said uh christless conservative commentators will keep the country liberal so

01:06:27.300 true king so true king all right uh this dude rocks he gave us five bucks and he gave a question

01:06:32.800 he said you often mention two different things race realism on the one hand and racial determinism

01:06:39.660 on the other what is the biblical response to racial determinist individuals that seem to harbor

01:06:46.240 real contempt, all right? I'll do my best to break it down. First, what are those two terms?

01:06:52.060 When I say racial determinism, what I mean is those who are of the persuasion, right, that

01:06:57.180 things can fluctuate within respect, right, within degree, but that the disparities due to certain

01:07:04.300 distinctions among different races are relatively fixed. So a racial determinist would be someone

01:07:11.000 who would say, if Jesus comes back next Thursday, or if in the providence of God, he tarries for

01:07:17.300 another 10,000 years. In either case, regardless of the timing of the final physical return of

01:07:23.340 Jesus Christ, the Son of God, Europeans will probably stay ahead in terms of development, 0.98

01:07:32.900 innovation, civilization, these things from, for instance, sub-Saharan Africans. That would be a 1.00

01:07:39.140 racial determinist, right? He would say, you know, I think the sub-Saharan Africans, if they embrace 0.99

01:07:44.420 Christ and they're evangelized and catechized and perhaps have some help. Europeans, like we've done

01:07:50.660 historically, whether it was, you know, setting up a shop in India, you know, or in certain African

01:07:57.740 countries, we can give aid, we can be generous, we can be kind, we certainly should share the gospel

01:08:03.200 when it comes to global missions and these kinds of things.

01:08:06.080 And with that aid, with that help,

01:08:09.240 especially on the religious side of the equation,

01:08:11.480 the spiritual Christian help,

01:08:13.160 but then also when it comes to civilization and engineering and medicine

01:08:17.060 and these kinds of things, 1.00

01:08:18.760 I do believe that sub-Saharan African nations can be lifted,

01:08:23.960 relatively speaking, out of poverty.

01:08:25.940 There can be real visible signs of improvement.

01:08:28.600 but i don't think necessarily that the sudan is going to become a global superpower that

01:08:36.660 ultimately topples you know the west right so i think that that position the first thing i want

01:08:43.040 to say is is that is not a heretical position it's not right i mean the whole title of the

01:08:48.320 episode is no enemies to the right and i'm going to exercise that principle here i'm not going to

01:08:54.000 be a hypocrite um that that is a position that i personally don't hold here's the deal though

01:09:01.600 right crazy crazy concept all right but i'm going to throw it out there it's going to shock some of 0.98

01:09:06.660 you guys i disagree with that position and i could be wrong said no reformed minister ever

01:09:16.380 right but i'll say it again because i know it probably you just went right over your head

01:09:20.560 you've never heard a reformed pastor use those words, you know, but I could be wrong. So that's

01:09:27.500 the first possibility is maybe I'm just wrong. Second, let's assume I'm right. Okay. So I would

01:09:35.300 be a race realist, right? That I recognize race as a legitimate category that God providentially

01:09:43.460 built into nature, right? Just like there's sex as a category. Now I think the category of sex, 0.61

01:09:50.020 male and female is more explicit certainly more explicit in scripture and i also think that that's

01:09:56.580 a deeper divide i think it's it's a greater natural distinction and we're working off of

01:10:02.940 the regular principle in terms of our hermeneutic and reading the scripture that one's right there

01:10:07.460 right there um the bible's very clear male and female he made them okay but i would put in the

01:10:15.640 same category, not the same tier, not the same degree, but in the same category as a natural

01:10:20.640 distinction that God himself had his hand in orchestrating. It's God's plan that there are

01:10:27.160 differences between nations and peoples. In the same way that I believe individuals differ,

01:10:33.500 right? It's not just fungible widgets, right? Replaceable, you know, movable cogs in a machine.

01:10:40.860 No, I believe that individuals are different. In the same way that some individuals are smarter

01:10:45.300 than me and some individuals are dumber than me in the same way that there are distinctions and

01:10:50.260 differences between people i believe there are distinctions and differences between peoples 0.97

01:10:56.380 differences between people the individual differences between peoples nations or race

01:11:04.920 okay that said for me not being a racial determinist i believe that things can change

01:11:12.280 And not just in small ways, but in relatively significant ways, albeit, here's the caveat, slowly across multiple consecutive generations, implying centuries, not 15 minutes, centuries throughout this gospel age.

01:11:31.740 So, if the West continues to apostatize against the Lord Jesus Christ and embrace a full frontal assault against not just God, but nature and the natural world that he has made, embracing transgenderism, embracing more and more egalitarianism, embracing gay furries, embracing abortion, it's just a clump of cells and up is down and down is up.

01:11:57.640 the grass is blue the sky is green um then yes i think not in 15 minutes right the prodigal son

01:12:05.300 he got a big inheritance dad was rich he spent all of it but he didn't spend it all in one day

01:12:12.400 it takes time when faithfulness over generations accrues the blessing of god capital and the

01:12:19.620 capital is large then the capital if it is to be spent squandered wasted in the same way that it

01:12:26.980 took time to acquire it, it takes time to lose it. So I would say that the West in many ways has

01:12:32.640 apostatized against the Lord Jesus Christ. But from King Alfred all the way up until, I would

01:12:38.160 argue, the mid-1800s, even early 19th century, 1920s, 1930s, for about a millennia, the West, 0.63

01:12:47.260 sin, still sin, always sin, like what I said earlier, right? Still sin, the presence of sin.

01:12:52.560 But in the macro 30,000-foot view, faithfulness and obedience to the Lord Jesus Christ

01:12:58.220 at a political level, national level, cultural level, societal level, and individual spiritual

01:13:03.320 level, a millennia of faithfulness to Christ and the blessings that that accrued will not be

01:13:11.260 depleted in one generation. However, we are depleting them quickly, quickly. And I do think

01:13:19.520 that it takes longer to make a window than it takes to break it. So I do think that we could

01:13:25.100 do it relatively quickly. But even then, if you accrue blessings for a thousand years, you're

01:13:29.000 probably not going to squander them in 10. Maybe you squander them in 200 years, right? It's going

01:13:34.580 to still take at least a little while. If we apostatize, continue down that path, the number

01:13:41.160 of Christians in the West get fewer and fewer and fewer, both through unbelief and through 0.97

01:13:45.360 mass immigration, replacing heritage Americans, of which not all, but many are Christian with a 0.90

01:13:52.740 bunch of people from foreign nations who worship sand demons, then eventually, I believe, 0.91

01:13:59.260 as we continue to apostatize, sin, Proverbs, gives us multiple correlations. With wisdom,

01:14:05.520 it's always two peas in a pod, humility. Wisdom and humility always seem to come in a pair in

01:14:12.300 the Proverbs. Here's another pair. Sin and stupidity. That guy's really sharp, but he's

01:14:20.700 also really sinful. Nope. That guy is really sinful, and as he has embraced sin, it has actually

01:14:29.760 warped his mind. He's abandoned reason. He's lost his ability. By rejecting Christ, the Logos, 0.98

01:14:38.180 the logic, the Word, in the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God,

01:14:42.300 In rejecting Christ, the logic, the logos, he has lost his ever-loving mind. 1.00

01:14:47.320 He's literally become stupid. 1.00

01:14:49.200 Like, what do we say about the left all the time? 1.00

01:14:51.040 It's not just that they're wicked. 1.00

01:14:52.060 We're like, good grief, these people are retarded. 1.00

01:14:55.420 They're dumb. 1.00

01:14:56.940 How could they possibly think that a boy could be a girl and a girl could be a boy 1.00

01:14:59.880 and all these other things? 1.00

01:15:01.780 Sin makes you stupid. 1.00

01:15:03.420 So, if the West continues to embrace sin, rebellion against the Lord Jesus Christ, 1.00

01:15:07.820 apostatizing against them, not just for one generation, 0.99

01:15:09.780 but multiple subsequent generations over centuries I do believe that we will become more foolish

01:15:16.620 this is why people don't like it they're gonna say oh rare Joel Webb and L well then I'm just

01:15:22.280 gonna have to rack up the L but I think some of you will get what I'm saying you'll get the

01:15:25.780 principle even if you disagree with my case study you'll get the principle and you'll agree with

01:15:30.000 that I think we did go to the moon I think we did right um and I think that the reason why we lost

01:15:38.520 the ability to do it again is because of the heart seller act civil rights act all these i don't think 0.91

01:15:45.680 it's a coincidence happened at the same time whitey's on the moon well now it's been 60 years

01:15:50.760 where whitey is not on the moon and why uh because whitey embraced toxic empathy for everyone who is 0.56

01:15:59.300 not white and instead of continuing to develop innovation and technology and pursuing the stars

01:16:06.360 and manifest destiny and all these kinds of things. 0.91

01:16:09.600 We embraced white guilt, 0.55

01:16:11.800 decided to give all of our tax money to welfare,

01:16:15.400 embraced social justice campaigns,

01:16:18.320 decided, you know, well, if we do have a NASA,

01:16:20.380 we need a bunch of DEI hires.

01:16:23.260 And, oh, wow, it wasn't just wicked policies.

01:16:26.380 It wasn't just that we embraced immorality. 1.00

01:16:29.160 We also got dumber. 0.95

01:16:31.000 we literally uh had a certain objective scientific advancement and lost it so i'm just saying that 0.88

01:16:40.520 principle there's the case study some of you guys you say no it's a rare webinar he thinks that we

01:16:45.820 went to the moon okay still the principle the concept right you could fill in another example

01:16:50.760 if you don't like the one i offer but the concept is societies can actually regress and not just

01:16:57.200 morally, but they can regress in terms of innovation, technology, intelligence. That's

01:17:02.580 possible. Sin, stupidity, two peas in a pod. Wisdom, humility, two peas in a pod. If that 1.00

01:17:08.600 happened with the West, and simultaneously in the mercy and providence and grace of God,

01:17:14.340 the opposite happened somewhere else. People are embracing Christ, applying all of Christ to all

01:17:19.200 of life. They're applying the scripture, not just with church on the Lord's Day, but to society and

01:17:25.400 to legislation and law and all these kinds of things.

01:17:29.020 And not in 15 minutes, but over time,

01:17:31.700 I think that God could shuffle the deck.

01:17:34.140 So race, I think, is real.

01:17:35.900 I think there are undeniable distinctions.

01:17:39.100 Distinctions necessarily create certain disparities,

01:17:43.280 at least in different arenas, categories.

01:17:46.040 And yet, I think in the province of God,

01:17:48.260 albeit slowly over time, the deck could shuffle.

01:17:50.860 So I'm not a racial determinist in that sense.

01:17:53.700 Guys who are, back to the question,

01:17:55.400 The last part is about harboring animosity, hatred.

01:18:00.100 I think that you can be a racial determinist, number one,

01:18:02.480 and you can be right and I can be wrong. 0.88

01:18:04.860 Because in order to prove that I'm right,

01:18:06.400 we need to lock ourselves,

01:18:09.240 freeze ourselves like a Han Solo situation

01:18:11.980 and let 1,000 years go by and see what happens.

01:18:14.780 So there's really no way to prove that Joel's right or that Joel's wrong.

01:18:19.180 But let's say, number one, I could be wrong 0.89

01:18:21.240 and the racial determinants could be right. 1.00

01:18:22.720 Number two, let's say that I'm right

01:18:24.520 and the racial determinist is wrong, and he's actually putting too much stock in race and not

01:18:30.860 enough credit in the promise of God, his mercy, his revelation, and the way that it could affect

01:18:34.860 people in a full-orbed way over time. Even if he's wrong in that position, there's nothing

01:18:43.800 inherently there that implies hatred. You could be a race realist, as I am, and be hateful. You

01:18:52.520 could be a racial determinist and be hateful. Likewise, you could be a race realist as I am

01:18:58.020 and not be hateful as I am not hateful. And I believe that you could be a racial determinist,

01:19:03.200 taking a little bit of a harder stance that would be, you know, a little bit to my right

01:19:07.420 and not be hateful and say, I don't ever think the sub-Saharans, even if Jesus tarries a thousand

01:19:12.740 years, 10,000 years, and all the things happen that Joel just described, the West apostatizing,

01:19:17.960 them embracing Christ, all of Christ, for all of life, even over the course of 10,000 years, 0.89

01:19:23.300 I think that the pie is relatively fixed, and I don't think that the sub-Saharan Africans 1.00

01:19:28.380 are going to best, you know, those of European descent when it comes to space exploration. 1.00

01:19:35.720 You get all that view. That is not heresy. It could be wrong, but that is not primary doctrine.

01:19:42.180 It's not top tier when it comes to theological triage. So, number one, we should not,

01:19:46.540 heretic is a big word. It's serious. It's weighty. We don't throw that around and accuse people of

01:19:52.640 heresy, nonchalant, loosey-goosey. So number one, you cannot say that that person is a heretic.

01:19:58.020 You can say, I disagree, and I think they're wrong, and I think there are significant implications

01:20:02.680 for being wrong on this issue. I think it matters. I think it's significant. Can't call them a heretic.

01:20:08.140 Find something else in their doctrine that is heretical, okay, but not that. So number one,

01:20:12.160 that doesn't make them a heretic number two from that position alone you cannot insinuate that the

01:20:19.580 person is hateful so that person number one if they're wrong it's not heresy and number two

01:20:29.860 if they hold that racial determinist view it does not necessarily mean that they are hateful so all

01:20:36.100 that being said long answer but that's how i would bifurcate you know race realism versus racial

01:20:42.240 determinism uh the question kind of a second kind of tapped into race essentialism and all that

01:20:49.340 would be the way that i would define that is those who make race not just essential is a good word

01:20:54.640 but um they make it top tier right the biggest thing right before even looking at someone's faith

01:21:01.540 looking at religion, looking at this, looking at that. Biggest thing is what race are you, right?

01:21:07.400 The race is essential. It's predominant, right? It's the top category. So I'm not a racial 0.98

01:21:17.100 essentialist. I'm not a race essentialist. I think it matters. I think it's real. I don't think it's

01:21:23.600 top. I don't think it's predominant. I'm also not a racial determinist. I don't think that the pie

01:21:28.300 is fixed. I think that God can change things, but not in 15 minutes, which is why we don't need to

01:21:32.720 import a bunch of Haitians and think that they could just assimilate and be Christian Americans 0.95

01:21:37.240 within three or four weeks. That is retarded. Okay, so I'm not a racial determinist and I'm 1.00

01:21:43.820 not a race essentialist. I am a race realist. But for those who are a racial determinist,

01:21:49.040 you could be a racial determinist and not a race essentialist, meaning you still think

01:21:53.640 christ christianity is preeminent that matters most and race is not essential but it's significant

01:22:02.620 and it matters but it is relatively fixed so not a race essentialist but you are a racial

01:22:07.900 determinist you could hold that view and you could be wrong but not wrong at the top tier

01:22:13.860 of theological triage in terms of heresy and not necessarily wrong in the moral sense of harboring

01:22:19.520 hatred that would be my answer yeah i think he got the best five dollars worth just about any

01:22:25.360 super chatter has ever gotten my goodness that was it dude you got a steal of a deal five dollars

01:22:30.700 goodness for that yeah you're right swinters oh seven sent a ten dollar super chat thank you very

01:22:35.780 much how does your democracy quote go again regarding democracy for he puts uh restarted 0.84

01:22:41.640 here maybe to actually get the comment through but uh democracy for the retarded and what was 0.72

01:22:46.060 the original context for it always enjoy the episodes thanks democracy uh so the original 0.62

01:22:51.400 quote is uh by the people this was a muslim among i i believe really yeah oh i think it was

01:22:56.580 wrapped it like you know haji style he's got the turban and everything so the original quote is

01:23:00.600 democracy it's uh by the people of the people for the people right democracy demos the crowd 0.88

01:23:05.640 rules and he quotes that and he says but but the people are retarded democracy do you want to do 0.95

01:23:12.380 yes he was like so and he says it's so slow dude it's hilarious he's like so democracy is for the 0.94

01:23:18.840 retarded of the retarded and by the retarded to which that is a rare imam w credit where credit 0.96

01:23:28.060 is due credit where credit's due right it's not often that we're gonna say hey you know what this 0.97

01:23:31.680 muslim leader you know he's he's he nailed it he crushed it but in that case he did yeah so that's 0.52

01:23:37.500 the quote that's the context daniel bartos sent ten dollars as well thank you daniel small thank 0.90

01:23:42.920 you for the reading recommendation of death of the west only three four through which is that's

01:23:47.260 impressive that's buchanan right that's buchanan the talk about a man seeing the sign of the times

01:23:51.600 and the writing on the wall yeah he did 2002 amazing like 2022 no no 2002 amazing yep great

01:23:58.540 book to read if you have not read it uh what happened to him why why was he you know sent

01:24:02.880 off and disgraced from the public platform oh he was called an anti-semitic yeah he was anti-semitic

01:24:07.200 you can't be that right he was called an anti-semitic and the people who accused him

01:24:11.120 one of his chief political opponents being buckley was interviewed later in life and they

01:24:16.340 asked him point blank do you really think that pat mccannan was anti-semitic and do you know what

01:24:20.160 he said he said nah one of the things in all of why did you do it just wanted to beat him yeah

01:24:27.460 bind him into dust yeah one of the things that gives me encouragement with everything we talk

01:24:32.680 about there's men way smarter than the both of us combined decades ago who saw the same thing 0.92

01:24:38.400 hey immigration is destructive and that's fabric of american life that's so encouraging and it 0.87

01:24:44.000 honestly it should be a consolation and comfort to you the listener yeah we are not sitting here 1.00

01:24:47.960 flying by the seat of our pants pulling our views out of the ether no like it's like how did you

01:24:53.160 learn this where did you get this i'll give you the answer um i have never had an original thought

01:24:58.480 in my life. And that should be a great consolation and comfort to you. Everything that you're hearing

01:25:04.380 from me and Wes are not things that we invented. It's not novel. It's things that we read from

01:25:09.520 better and greater and older men. That's it. Yep. Papacan being one of them. Yep. Dapper Dan sent

01:25:15.880 a couple chats here. Five dollars. Thanks, Dan. He said, I returned to Walsh when Megyn Kelly

01:25:20.100 trashed him after he suggested young Christian men avoid dating female intellectuals. So true, 1.00

01:25:25.760 king yeah where whatever those are and then followed up with another chat he said on dating 1.00

01:25:30.100 i have found that liberal women are degenerate and christian women are materialistic don't know 0.99

01:25:34.680 what i'm supposed to do i know what to do make arranged marriages great again that's the only 0.93

01:25:41.460 thing honestly i've thought about it a lot uh because pastorally you know i i get i get this

01:25:45.940 question all the time from young single men you know within our church but also outside you know

01:25:50.700 because we have a public ministry and that's all I can think all I can think is like no you're not

01:25:56.280 going to meet you're not going to meet her at a bar you're probably not going to meet her online

01:26:00.000 that happens occasionally and praise God when it does and it's good the online not the bar if it's

01:26:04.720 the bar it's yeah but that's um it's becoming increasingly more uncommon and rare and so uh

01:26:12.920 you know naturally you think well I'll meet her at church you know and I feel like the guy you

01:26:16.700 know holding the gun like which church um well i'll meet her at my conservative pca church

01:26:22.660 all right we'll see how that goes um you know yeah go ahead and give me an update i'm i'm

01:26:31.300 fascinated very curious how that works out um so where do you meet her and i honestly feel like

01:26:36.780 um you know your your best bet and this is why like you know ogden with their conference new

01:26:41.660 chrism has done singles mixers we've done singles mixers because the reality is that finding someone

01:26:46.540 in 2025 that really is like-minded and off the liberal plantation not on the right side of the

01:26:53.720 liberal plantation i'm a conservative oh yeah what are you conservative you know i'm i'm

01:26:59.180 conserving uh conserving you know um no female pastors but you know based uh female podcaster

01:27:05.680 you know female deacon it's not a pastor yeah deaconess you know uh not a pastor but a female

01:27:12.460 you know, shepherd, shepherdess, you know, like, oh, okay, so you're a lib. Okay. So then where do

01:27:18.260 you find them? And the reality is, I mean, it's unfortunate. This isn't a brag. I'm not, this

01:27:24.300 brings me zero joy, but there are a handful of churches that I'm aware of that would hold

01:27:31.660 anywhere close to the same kind of views that we hold, or Refuge Church in Ogden, Utah would hold,

01:27:37.360 or, you know, a handful of others.

01:27:39.500 And so then if you can't find a spouse in your local church,

01:27:43.720 then what do you do?

01:27:45.020 I think you somehow have to be able to connect

01:27:47.120 with those few other churches that are like-minded.

01:27:50.240 And I think that's why it's important.

01:27:51.780 Like this is, if you're single, right?

01:27:55.220 If you have a faithful local pastor and local church

01:27:57.720 and he's based, he's courageous and all those things,

01:28:00.180 praise God, you should be faithful to that church.

01:28:03.240 However, if you are single, single woman or single man,

01:28:06.380 and in your local church setting and you're in a good local church but in that local church setting

01:28:10.860 you cannot find someone you've been there for years plugging away you've exhausted every

01:28:14.980 opportunity that's just they're not there um then there is actually a benefit right this is one of

01:28:21.280 them but there is a benefit in being a part of a church that has a further reaching online platform

01:28:29.040 beyond just their local setting like one of the benefits of being in brian sobe's church for

01:28:34.160 instance, is that it's not just the 400 people in attendance on the Lord's Day at Refuge Church

01:28:41.860 in Ogden, Utah, but because that church has a sizable online footprint, you have at your

01:28:50.520 disposal through those elders, those leaders, a vast array of resources beyond just their local

01:28:58.300 context. Brian can pick up the phone and call me. In fact, we've done that. Our wives have done that.

01:29:03.720 Lexi and my wife Megan have you know on multiple occasions texted each other and said got a single

01:29:10.520 man over here in Ogden got a single woman over here in Georgetown you know and me and Brian we

01:29:16.580 don't even think about it because we're dudes you know but our wives they get real excited and

01:29:20.720 giddy and like you know and they're texting each other pictures I'm like what are you doing like

01:29:24.340 why are you looking at pictures of this dude why it's you know for her and why are you sending

01:29:27.880 pictures of this chick oh it's you know and um that's a benefit that that unfortunately um is not

01:29:34.360 available if you're a part of a church albeit very faithful church but if it's a very faithful church

01:29:40.400 it's probably smaller let's just be honest right the laws of average is probably smaller and if it

01:29:45.200 doesn't have any kind of public ministry a church does not have to have a public ministry like this

01:29:49.340 to be faithful of course not and there's benefits to churches that don't have the public ministry

01:29:53.400 right because there are there are liabilities that come like our church is under more attack

01:29:59.680 ogden right now has protesters outside of the church and that wouldn't be the case if it was

01:30:03.700 just you know brian preaching on the lord's day it's because of their public podcasts and those

01:30:08.480 kinds so there are liabilities there are downsides but one of the advantages and upsides is uh that

01:30:14.380 those churches that have a public reputation beyond just their local context have at their

01:30:19.560 disposal, a larger network, more resources, those kinds of things. And that can be very helpful when

01:30:27.200 it comes to finding a spouse. Yeah. And to the person who commented, just an encouragement,

01:30:32.040 I've known a lot of people, a lot of Christian men, Christian women in my life that were single

01:30:36.560 and they were very much so not happy to be single. And they had felt like it was over for them.

01:30:41.420 There's no way I'll ever meet someone. But here's the deal. All of them that kept getting out there,

01:30:45.560 going to a singles mixer, trying out a new church, asking women out. In almost every single case that

01:30:50.880 I can think of, real people with real names who hit their 30s, some of them even their early 40s,

01:30:56.220 and they were still single and not happy about it. On a long enough timeline, every single one

01:31:00.540 of those people got married. The people who have not gotten married are the people that have

01:31:03.680 resigned. I'm not going to try anymore. I'm not going to attend church. I'm not going to put

01:31:07.440 myself out there. I give up. Dating, it has to work once. You could go on a thousand dates,

01:31:12.740 and if the thousandth date is a date where you click and a date where you get her father's

01:31:17.140 permission and it's a good girl and you pursue her and propose and get married it does not matter

01:31:22.060 that you failed 999 times yeah you're right you need to win once all it takes is one yep so keep

01:31:27.480 getting out there if you're single and you don't want to be keep getting out there don't give up

01:31:30.940 and in god's providence it may not be in your time you may not be able to have as many kids

01:31:34.620 for example as you wanted but i i just i don't know people that have spent 20 years and they're

01:31:39.660 like and i just truly ended up single yeah by going on hundreds of dates good word all right

01:31:44.400 william gadson yes sent a 20 super chat thanks so much william gentlemen you consistently mentioned

01:31:51.280 the importance of raising a political class for among the like-minded young men absolutely i am

01:31:56.780 in a unique position to build infrastructure for this but i need help what is the best way

01:32:01.440 to reach you i'm very interested in talking to you send me an email at wesley so w-e-s-l-e-y

01:32:07.020 at RightResponseMinistries.com.

01:32:09.520 Send me an email, send me your name,

01:32:11.520 and we'll connect.

01:32:12.940 But I very much still want to follow up with that.

01:32:14.700 Great.

01:32:15.340 Joel, go ahead.

01:32:16.580 Daniel Bartos.

01:32:17.760 He gave us $10.

01:32:18.640 Thank you, Daniel.

01:32:19.180 We appreciate it.

01:32:19.840 He said,

01:32:20.200 Would you consider an episode discussing the book

01:32:22.600 Rock and Sand,

01:32:24.200 an Orthodox Appraisal of the Protestant Reformers

01:32:27.720 and Their Teachings by Father Josiah Frenheim?

01:32:32.620 I am familiar with him.

01:32:34.360 Yeah.

01:32:34.660 And I think a lot of the stuff that he does is good.

01:32:36.520 we would agree on several issues i'm not eo uh for various reasons theological reasons also i'm

01:32:42.440 american reasons um you know so you know both of those reasons but um i don't know uh i i'd be

01:32:50.200 open to it it might be more interesting to just have someone like that come on the show yeah you

01:32:55.320 know we did that with marshall um taylor marshall taylor marshall i always want to say marshall

01:33:00.200 taylor taylor marshall and um it was great yeah and and you know i mean he is a bit insufferable

01:33:06.500 on twitter in terms of i mean every other tweet is mocking you know protestants gotta you know i

01:33:12.180 mean he's convicted you know but um but despite you know all the disagreements and in the fact

01:33:17.920 that you know that he's very much um not fond of of the protestant position and many protestants

01:33:23.800 uh we were still able to reach across the aisle and what i've found in my experience is even the

01:33:29.600 guys who seem a little bit more edgy you know and combative um they may not reach out to you but if

01:33:36.740 you reach out to them i've pretty much never had anybody say no like yeah hey you know what you're

01:33:41.420 willing to talk and so you know when we actually had taylor marshall on the show he was very kind

01:33:45.600 he was respectful and since then we keep in contact and uh and he's he's been kind so i think

01:33:52.500 you know maybe doing a show with uh an eo guy uh would be good and i think that josiah would be

01:33:59.100 i think a good recommendation because you know some guys have said what about jay dyer

01:34:02.800 i think he's probably a great guy too he i mean he makes some great cultural arguments like a lot

01:34:08.820 of a lot of alignment you know politically right he would be like one of those cases where i'm not

01:34:13.180 gonna i'm not gonna you know shoot across the bow um politically uh we would be aligned in many ways

01:34:18.500 and he is sharp and he has done the reading um and he's a ferocious uh ferocious uh debater um

01:34:24.960 but he sometimes is a little bit more hostile uh that i've seen him in those contexts and uh

01:34:31.820 and i'm fine with somebody disagreeing but you know i prefer to be able to disagree in a more

01:34:37.240 civil manner and so i think josiah would probably be a good fit yep uh the next three chats i think

01:34:42.820 are about eastern orthodoxy so i'm actually going to kind of tackle them as a bundle here

01:34:46.280 the big red snake said ten dollars first of all thank you would you consider talking about the

01:34:52.280 repeated failures of orthodoxy so the kids don't fall down the path of faith that spent most of 0.92

01:34:57.520 its time being ruled by muslims and commies oof and then this dude rocks sent two dollars he did 0.75

01:35:03.040 not nuance that huh no that was uh let me let me tell you how it really is and then it was two 0.51

01:35:08.300 comments this dude rocks also sent two dollars and said where do eo and 1689 westminster

01:35:13.080 confessions reformed protestants most aligned so in the first one we've done two episodes at this

01:35:18.640 point on orthodoxy um those have been very popular very viewed very common very popular in the in the

01:35:25.520 sense that they brought all the boys to the yard very well liked no as the kids would say we got

01:35:31.160 dragged we got dragged it's um yo guys this you got to give them credit for this those guys live

01:35:36.820 online they you think i'm online those guys they're like you become a catechumen that's like

01:35:43.060 all right here's your you know your prayer necklace like what do i need to do here's your

01:35:46.380 eastern orthodox uh you need to clock in 14 hours a day on twitter yep you need to be defending

01:35:51.000 father moses you need to be reading the books so we've done two episodes i don't know that we would

01:35:55.160 do a third one maybe with someone like josiah so i think if it was a conversation then that would

01:35:59.400 be fresh that would be a different approach different strategy and worth the while um but

01:36:03.660 in terms of us just doing an episode ourselves i just feel like we've done it before guys know

01:36:07.760 that we're not eo um and yeah and so in terms of like where do we align um like honestly i i i

01:36:15.940 think it's fair to say that uh for your reformed historically reformed protestants there is more

01:36:22.060 theological alignment uh with roman catholics than there is with eastern orthodoxy so you know

01:36:27.480 eastern orthodoxy doesn't they reject you know a pope they have more of a council you know rather

01:36:32.140 than individual man who is the vicar of christ and so in that sense you know we would have some

01:36:36.640 stark uh disagreements with rome um but as you start getting into soteriology and some of those

01:36:42.920 things uh doctrine of god theology proper the essence of god um we actually have a lot more

01:36:48.900 in common with rome and the reason why is because rome is western right so for them you know the

01:36:53.300 the top guy is going to be augustine right it's going to be augustinian um and so a full embrace

01:36:59.560 of substance um full embrace of logic uh whereas eastern orthodoxy is more mystical it's it's a

01:37:08.240 a deeper emphasis that's placed on uh the mystical the experience rather than knowing god it's it's

01:37:15.380 the experience of being one with god yep two super chats these are both related to your comments

01:37:21.420 about the antioch declaration so i'll give them to you okay so we're starting with uh top one this

01:37:28.180 dude rocks the oh this dude rocks okay so uh he said do you believe there is a genuine biblical

01:37:34.220 steel man for what happened to you last year or was it actually a political move against you

01:37:40.640 um i love moscow and apologia's ministries uh this divide saddens me well i'll start by saying

01:37:46.520 it saddens me too um and i love those groups as well but we do have a significant serious divide

01:37:52.880 um and and it is sad because i really do feel like it was an unforced error i i just i think

01:37:59.700 um i think it was wrong um but almost more than that it's frustrating because i just feel like it

01:38:05.700 was so unnecessary right um so if i was to steel man uh what was done to me the best steel man that

01:38:12.740 i could present would be i think the case that you know that doug kind of leaned on himself and

01:38:19.160 presented which was uh we were hedging our bets you know we were uh we were guarding the flank

01:38:24.200 because Pete Hedseth was, you know, a CREC member

01:38:29.640 coming from Doug Wilson's denomination.

01:38:32.360 And we knew that he was going to be up for,

01:38:35.560 not Attorney General, but Secretary of War.

01:38:38.220 Secretary of Defense?

01:38:39.640 No, no, no.

01:38:39.860 Defense.

01:38:40.340 War.

01:38:40.720 War.

01:38:41.020 And we were concerned that during his hearing

01:38:45.120 and being questioned that accusations of anti-Semitism

01:38:51.340 would be, you know, would be thrown, hurled at him. And so, because of his association with

01:38:59.120 our denomination, the CREC, and so we wanted to hedge against that preemptively by coming out

01:39:04.540 with the Antioch Declaration. And Joel, you know, we love him, but he just happened to get caught up

01:39:12.040 in the crosshairs. I think that's the steel man that I could offer. That's the only one. I think

01:39:17.680 that's the best case that i can make um that said even with the steel man uh wes you remember that

01:39:25.180 hearing um how many questions what was it that uh i was the first question out of the gate

01:39:31.020 so you go to a church in the crc and doug wilson and joel wet no not at all never mentioned once

01:39:37.780 never mentioned once so um i understand the preemptive well but it could have been

01:39:42.280 you know um i get that uh but i still think that there would be another way of dealing with it and

01:39:49.280 i i just i think that that's what ben shapiro was doing that's why i brought up the instance because

01:39:53.220 i do think it directly correlates with the young republican you know group chat leak and all the

01:39:57.500 things there's this topic of netter that's been in the national news um i i think that that strategy

01:40:03.800 is not pleasing to the lord not only do i think it's not a winning strategy because that that's

01:40:09.020 part of the rhetoric that people say well you want to win but what's you know what's the what

01:40:12.980 what is it a profit a man if you know if he gains the world but forfeits his own soul you know if

01:40:17.340 you have to forfeit your principles along the way then uh then it's not worth winning well i would

01:40:22.700 just turn it uh i would just flip it on and say um okay so uh what what is what does it profit a

01:40:31.880 if if the neocons win but their strategy of winning is um is taking everyone an inch to

01:40:40.020 their right and sacrificing them on the altar of political success right i mean that's that's

01:40:45.840 really what it was that's what moscow did was um yeah we've said a lot of spicy things over the 0.71

01:40:52.060 course of 40 years 40 years but we're not like him have him have him right and it's it's just 0.98

01:41:01.300 kind of it's it's it's like a it's like a human sacrifice right like maybe we'll have a good crop

01:41:05.780 this year a good harvest you know if we take you know one of the people in the aztec tribe and 0.54

01:41:11.060 throw them on the altar and slit them open you know and you know to the political gods and maybe 0.69

01:41:16.360 they'll favor us and that's i mean that's what it was and i really do feel like it was hypocritical 0.90

01:41:21.940 in the sense that um so much of you know uh the the position that ogden has arrived at that i've

01:41:29.900 arrived at that others have arrived at on this particular topic of Israel and Jewish influence

01:41:35.900 because it's more than just the nation state of Israel right there are guys who are not Israeli

01:41:39.820 citizens but they are Jewish billionaires in the U.S. with you know palpable significant extremely

01:41:46.860 negative influence on our country on our politics on our culture and this topic it's frustrating 0.98

01:41:53.080 because we have selected and identified a separate case study that Doug Wilson you know for the most

01:41:59.880 part has avoided but the principles that we employed are the very principles that we learned

01:42:04.620 from him right i mean this is what doug did for 40 years he would make a statement he would

01:42:11.400 intentionally make an edgelord type of statement uh where he wouldn't provide some of the caveats

01:42:17.520 i mean the guy literally has one whole month out of the year called no quarter november where the

01:42:22.800 whole purpose is to just say it right say the quiet part out loud without the caveats without

01:42:30.020 the disclaimers and um and let the chips you know fall where they may um he modeled it like this is

01:42:38.960 his playbook this is what he did with um this is what he did with slavery i mean he literally wrote

01:42:44.920 a book right american slavery or southern slavery as it was co-authored that book and there were

01:42:51.040 certain things in the book that were categorically wrong and he corrected them the next day

01:42:57.640 it was like 11 years later 11 years later the disclaimer came the clarification

01:43:06.080 so for 11 years he was comfortable with just super spicy topic right super controversial

01:43:13.920 race and slavery right 650 000 people died over that race and slavery and this was like back in

01:43:23.380 the day you think it's spicy now it was really spicy then he writes a whole book on it with

01:43:28.880 actual you know factual verifiable errors historic errors in the book realizes it and lets it ride

01:43:38.760 for a decade and then later on turns here's a guy you know who's half my age

01:43:48.000 and um and does not extend the same charity uh so that's that that is hard to grapple with

01:43:56.740 my point in i guess answering your question is uh that steel man is hard for me to construct

01:44:03.120 it's hard for me to build build that steel man but um i gave it my best pete height said um

01:44:08.660 that's all i got here's a more likely one so this is the big red snake sent twenty dollars he said

01:44:13.260 joel i honestly think doug was jealous as you're edgier than him he just liked playing controlled

01:44:17.860 opposition but when it came to moving the ball that ain't him you want to move the ball so now

01:44:22.080 doug wilson needs an antioch declaration it's another possible possible i don't know his heart

01:44:27.260 can't say it definitively um i won't feign omniscience but yes i think it's we'll just

01:44:33.760 say both right both not as the definitive answer because i don't know but both as possibilities

01:44:39.420 one pete headseth the other like what if it is envy subscription numbers are down not looking

01:44:47.160 good yep who knows all right spicy super chat for mostly peaceful merch two hundred and seventy one

01:44:53.020 thousand dollars to write response ministries okay you know what you know you know don't joke

01:44:57.300 about that and i'm not talking about don't joke about the holocaust numbers i mean don't do not

01:45:02.800 tease us all right if somebody makes that comment as controversial as it is about the holocaust

01:45:08.520 but i checked the account they actually sent us 271 000 we don't have a problem okay but the fact

01:45:15.600 that you made that joke and the worst part about it is that i know for a fact that you did not send

01:45:19.700 i see 199 right there i see 199 in the super chat um i don't appreciate that kind of humor

01:45:25.540 mostly peaceful merch consistent follower consistent support we appreciate you thanks

01:45:31.900 great brother uh go ahead with this next one okay the um i i want to say the name what is it

01:45:38.340 the the big red snake oh big red snake okay uh it's just all together that's one word uh he said

01:45:45.460 doug wilson videos are like watching a copyright attorney blather on in love with his own verbosity

01:45:52.540 verbosity um i don't have reverse mostly because i can't even pronounce the word um he definitely

01:45:59.640 had never read shakespeare nor understands brevity is the soul of wit i will say i think

01:46:06.740 that doug is pretty witty but uh there are times where i i think that um he loves his poetry and

01:46:12.820 and uh and pros to sometimes the detriment of the point um i think honestly here's a great example

01:46:20.500 that i you know not just trying to pick on him but that i didn't appreciate um ogden i think uh

01:46:27.760 was really courageous brian survey and eric khan these guys uh when they talked about black culture

01:46:34.860 and they were uh brutally honest they were not hateful they were not mean-spirited

01:46:42.000 They did not sin, but they were honest about the facts of black culture and black crime. 0.75

01:46:48.200 These things are calling their listeners to attention, to be aware of these things as they are. 1.00

01:46:55.980 And they got blasted.

01:46:58.440 They're still getting blasted.

01:46:59.560 They've got physical protesters present on Sunday at their church.

01:47:04.900 Tons of hate mail, death threats, the whole nine yards.

01:47:08.520 and Doug came out and defended them.

01:47:16.700 Nope.

01:47:18.060 He came out and said the exact thing that Brian said.

01:47:23.560 But so long and so wordy

01:47:26.260 and in the tone of disagreement,

01:47:30.400 I disagree with you.

01:47:33.120 Da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da.

01:47:36.200 Page 47?

01:47:37.220 yeah yeah my position is pretty much the same but i just and that i wish that i could say that's

01:47:48.320 a one-off um but it does seem increasingly common is um i actually agree with you in fact i know

01:47:56.460 that you kind of got your position from me but i'm the only one who gets to say it right and

01:48:03.620 yeah i that's that is a problem that's frustrating okay next nathan duberle 1999 very kind nathan

01:48:11.800 thank you for sending keep speaking the truth do you know any christian small businesses making

01:48:16.900 suits and other men's clothes that we can support we need one in the space i know a lot of merch so

01:48:23.540 mostly peaceful merch is a great example protestant prince he does the hats you got your lapel pins

01:48:28.420 i don't know of any suits right i don't know of any dress shirts if there are those out there

01:48:34.780 good guys aligned with us you know post it tag me yeah we'd love to be aware of it i don't know

01:48:39.960 of any right now i don't either all right thanks driver lewis 251 sent 999 this is random but i

01:48:46.100 looked up who kind of started the whole no kings protest leah greenberger and ezra levin

01:48:53.060 Is it a German last name?

01:48:56.440 Every single time.

01:48:57.680 Every single time.

01:48:58.240 I think we've got to talk about No Kings.

01:49:01.620 Yeah.

01:49:02.620 So Wes and I, we talked earlier this morning offline,

01:49:05.920 and we've decided in light of the No King protests

01:49:09.020 that are going on nationwide,

01:49:11.080 I think this Wednesday we're going to do a whole episode

01:49:13.640 devoted to monarchy and talk about,

01:49:17.720 and it's not just Protestants, but even Catholics.

01:49:20.500 this is european but distinctly american in the american spirit there was from the beginning

01:49:28.440 i think a rebellious a rebellious spirit and aversion some of it was against tyranny that

01:49:35.720 actually was objectively sinful but some of it was simply well no one's above me we have no

01:49:41.320 sovereign here right that everyone's equal everyone's the same and it's not a coincidence

01:49:47.240 black lives matter and you know radical egalitarianism and this and that love is love

01:49:52.740 and I really do think that a lot of these later more progressive expressions of egalitarianism

01:49:59.460 are rooted in liberalism and a lot of liberalism was kind of forged in the furnace of a rejection

01:50:07.840 of kings a rejection of nobility a rejection of hierarchy a rejection of authority so Christ

01:50:17.140 is king. Hell has a democracy, but heaven has a monarchy. That does not necessarily mean that

01:50:26.700 monarchy must be the form of government for every nation here on earth, which is in between heaven

01:50:32.380 and hell. I understand. I understand the principle of the fact that it's total depravity, that no man

01:50:40.880 is without you know his faults his vices his sin and you know so therefore power corrupts

01:50:48.640 um i understand that i'm wanting to have checks and balances and these kinds of things but the

01:50:52.880 reality is that monarchies have found a way throughout history to have checks and balances

01:50:57.920 whether it's a council or republic or the lords you know and vassals who could put pressure on

01:51:04.000 the king and and a great history of guillotining kings who don't do what you want them to correct

01:51:08.940 For the record.

01:51:09.360 There was a way of rejecting kings without rejecting monarchy entirely as a system.

01:51:15.860 So I think that because of America's history and founding, I think it's highly unlikely that you're going to have someone who is labeled king in our American context, at least anytime soon.

01:51:28.220 I do think, though, that the political landscape is ripe for the emergence.

01:51:35.960 And no, I don't think it's Trump.

01:51:37.700 I think he could be a precursor, but I don't think it's Trump.

01:51:40.420 But the emergence of someone who functionally in many ways functions as a king.

01:51:45.900 And Bukele in El Salvador would be, I think, a great example of this.

01:51:50.780 He's President Bukele. 0.94

01:51:53.620 But wink, wink, nod, nod, he's King Bukele.

01:51:57.160 He's not held back by much.

01:51:58.940 And because he's functioning as a king in many ways, under his rule, El Salvador has been crushed.

01:52:05.820 oh no it's improved objectively and vastly um so the people people hate his authoritarian role

01:52:15.380 oh wait he's the most popular leader in the world they love it son of a gun and he's christian

01:52:20.800 yeah so um the idea that just monarchy is inherently immoral um i don't think is a

01:52:28.760 christian idea it's certainly not a historic christian idea i i think that that people will

01:52:33.500 make Christian arguments and they'll attempt to use scripture. But again, I think their liberalism

01:52:38.960 is showing. So that doesn't mean that every nation has to have a monarchy. It doesn't mean that we

01:52:43.180 even have to have a monarchy. But do I think that it would be inherently wrong in all cases,

01:52:47.900 even with a good king, a righteous king, to have a monarchy? No, I don't. And I do think that

01:52:54.520 a lot of the American ethos and the particular vices that we have shown as a culture, as a

01:53:01.460 society to have a propensity towards can be tracked back to a rebellious spirit and aversion

01:53:08.020 towards hierarchy authority and monarchy and i think that that would be a worthwhile episode

01:53:12.560 look forward to it wednesday andrew h sent 999 thanks andrew he said do you read from the kjv

01:53:19.560 if not why not do you prefer the corrupt modern versions do you think andrew likes the uh the kjv

01:53:25.220 uh i'll be honest about a year ago i like it i actually started reading from it here's why i

01:53:29.980 disagree with that second part. I'd love to hear from the pastor, but I have yet to see a convincing

01:53:35.180 side-by-side of the King James versus some of the more moderns, I think of LSB, ESV, CSB,

01:53:40.820 where any fundamental meaning is significantly altered. Like I'll give you a textual variant,

01:53:45.180 for example, that I've seen pulled out by KJV. So the King James, 1 John 3, 1 says,

01:53:49.780 Behold what manner of love the Father has bestowed upon us that we should be called the sons of God.

01:53:55.060 So behold that we should be called the sons of God. And if you change over and you read it in

01:53:59.000 the esv see what kind of love the father has given to us that we should be called the children of

01:54:02.800 god and inserts this phrase and so we are and i've seen the stephen anderson type say and see there

01:54:08.020 you have it it's just feminine gooey you know weak stuff inserted into the bible guys you you got to

01:54:15.880 give better proof than that so i prefer the kjv i like it i don't think other versions though uh

01:54:21.100 fundamentally of the ones i'm aware of the ones i listed they're not fundamentally altering the

01:54:26.100 text is not so different that it's like and we've lost the divinity of christ we've lost his

01:54:29.820 sufficiency to save all that's gone now because of the way we translated it i agree but uh yes i

01:54:35.540 like the kjv um and i do think you know so the texas receptus versus the critical text and those

01:54:41.640 two positions on you know which original manuscripts it's not an argument texas receptus

01:54:46.240 is not an argument for king james only ism but rather the received text that the king james was

01:54:52.500 forged from. So that would also include the Geneva Bible. There are other versions of the

01:54:58.220 Bible, not many, but some that came from the received text. And basically it's just an argument

01:55:02.740 that says that certainly the emphasis of weight should be given to inspiration, divine inspiration,

01:55:09.760 but it's not only divine inspiration of the writing of the text, but also divine preservation

01:55:14.680 in preserving the text. And so when you're talking about the received text, that's the

01:55:22.180 original manuscripts from which we got the KJV. When you're talking about the received text,

01:55:27.900 you're talking about a text that in God's sovereignty and providence, he determined to

01:55:33.620 not only preserve, but to preserve for centuries in a particular time when Christendom was shining,

01:55:43.540 when it was most exuberant. You have to admit that it was the King James Bible being used

01:55:49.900 across the land, in every home, in every pulpit, by the king himself, King James.

01:55:54.780 I was about to say, monarchy, there you go.

01:55:56.220 Right, by the monarch, in one of the most deeply, profoundly Christian times in all of Western history.

01:56:05.700 So, you know, I think one argument, just practical argument, would be, if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

01:56:11.640 You know, so the King James Bible has proven itself historically to be sufficient.

01:56:17.320 um now if you want to argue that another text from the greek or the meaning or this or that

01:56:23.740 might be a little bit better or a little bit more beneficial fine i think that's totally fine

01:56:31.140 but i am not of the persuasion that the king james bible i'm not a king james only-ist

01:56:36.740 but i have a lot of sympathy for the tr position the texas receptus and um and i do think that

01:56:45.040 there are certain ways in which the King James is superior, although I believe all these major

01:56:50.280 translations, thinking of NASB, thinking of NIV even, believe it or not, ESV, I think that they

01:56:58.620 are the Word of God. I know some guys who would say that they contain much of the Word of God,

01:57:03.160 but are not infallible, and the Word of God inherently in and of themselves. I'm not of

01:57:08.060 that position. I think that they are the Word of God, and a lot of it comes down to preference.

01:57:12.420 But the King James Version, historically, in God's preservation,

01:57:16.700 the way that it was used in building Christendom for a millennia,

01:57:20.660 that's not trivial.

01:57:23.380 It should not be scoffed at.

01:57:26.740 Final chat, this dude rocks.

01:57:28.540 What a supporter.

01:57:29.240 Five dollars.

01:57:30.400 Final thanks and prayer note.

01:57:31.660 Please pray for Ogden.

01:57:33.020 They are facing heat from Moscow and liberals over the recent King's Hall episode.

01:57:38.100 Yes, they are.

01:57:38.900 And that's, I mean, that's the thing.

01:57:40.080 so whether it's the young republicans in a group chat right you've got uh you've got the liberals

01:57:45.020 and you've got moscow right or if it's ogden saying things they learned from doug

01:57:53.600 about race you've got the liberals you've got moscow um i am noticing a bit of a pattern

01:58:03.000 and uh it's not good so all right that's it for today that's the show hope that it's been

01:58:08.540 beneficial. Pray for Ogden and pray for Matt Walsh and Michael Knowles. I think that they would

01:58:14.260 soar. I just think they would excel if they sat out on their own. I think, you know, that they're

01:58:19.060 doing pretty, pretty well, you know, as things are. But I do think that there is one major elephant

01:58:25.260 in the room. And eventually, I think Matt Walsh has proved his stripes despite neglect of that

01:58:32.760 topic, given his context and situation in partnership with The Daily Wire. But I do think

01:58:37.900 that I do think that that has a short shelf life.

01:58:43.000 Like what I mean is that no matter how based he is

01:58:46.600 and how courageous he is on all these other issues

01:58:49.120 that do immensely matter,

01:58:51.200 if he utterly neglects that one issue,

01:58:55.760 Israel and Jewish influence,

01:58:58.300 and not just for the last six months,

01:59:01.060 but if he continues in that state for years,

01:59:06.280 eventually uh there will be i think uh and a undeniable loss of credibility yeah i think that

01:59:13.780 you know people just say i'm sorry yes you're saying good things and yes i love you and yes

01:59:19.700 i've benefited from you but but it bleeds over in the sense of like i i still struggle to trust you

01:59:26.580 on all these other things where you're saying things that i think are good i still i i struggle

01:59:32.660 to fully trust you to trust right the position that you're expressing or to trust the motives

01:59:38.380 that you might have behind the position because there's this one area where you seem to be so

01:59:43.340 obviously compromised matt is not shilling for israel right we need it our words matter we need

01:59:49.940 to be fair right this is not an opportunity for hyperbole matt is not shilling for israel so i'm

01:59:56.040 not saying hey you can't trust him because he's over there you know racking up his seven thousand

01:59:59.880 dollars per post you know uh for israel but there comes a point right temporarily i think people are

02:00:05.260 sympathetic but there comes a point that if this is prolonged uh not saying you know false

02:00:10.320 categorically false things that are positive for israel but simply neglecting to say anything

02:00:14.540 about israel at all will eventually chip away at his credibility i think it has i was about to say

02:00:19.940 it's already underway um and so i hope i hope that he uh that he makes a move soon pray for him

02:00:26.460 all right that's it that's the show thanks for tuning in and we will talk about

02:00:31.220 monarchy on wednesday lord willing god bless

The NXR Podcast - October 20, 2025

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The NXR Podcast - October 20, 2025

THE LIVESTREAM - Will Walsh Leave The Daily Wire？ ｜ No Enemies To The Right

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THE LIVESTREAM - Will Walsh Leave The Daily Wire？｜ No Enemies To The Right