THE LIVESTREAM - Women Must Be Removed From All Public Service
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Summary
Kristen Hawkins has spent her life as a conservative in public service defending the unborn. However, under a little bit of scrutiny, we ve discovered that she s actually a mother who is regularly abandoning her own children, while living high on the hog with a $300,000 a year salary.
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in john knox's polemic the first blast of the trumpet against the monstrous regiment of women
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john knox wrote that to promote a woman to bear rule superiority dominion or empire above any
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realm nation or city is repugnant to nature insulting to god in subversion of good order
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equity, and justice. And John Knox, in keeping with the scripture, is exactly right. To promote
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women to rule as senators, presidents, lawyers, generals, and CEOs isn't simply an agree-to-disagree
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type of issue. Instead, it erodes the bedrock of stability and good order that is necessary
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for flourishing societies and therefore it cannot be tolerated. Nowhere is the truth of
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John Knox's warning more visibly on display than in today's conservative and Christian
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women in leadership. Take Kristen Hawkins, for example. She's an anti-abortion activist and
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president of Students for Life of America. Here's a woman who has spent her life as a conservative
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in public service defending the unborn. However, under just a little bit of scrutiny, we've
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discovered this past week that she's actually a mother who is regularly abandoning her own
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children, a couple of them who happen to be very sick and even dying, while living high on the hog
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with a $300,000 a year salary based off of donations. Now, hear me out. It's not wrong
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for someone who's doing good, faithful work to be paid well. However, when an abolition bill
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finally made it to the North Dakota legislator, Ms. Hawkins and Students for Life vociferously
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opposed equal protection for unborn children. If these are our greatest champions, then we're not
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going to make it. See, the problem for Ms. Hawkins is this. Two of her greatest ambitions all of a
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sudden found themselves in contradiction. On the one hand, she wants to save the lives of unborn
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children. I believe that that is a genuine desire in her heart. On the other hand, she is a raging
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feminist. And a law that says mothers who murder their children are actually morally culpable and
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should experience some consequence under the law is something that a feminist cannot tolerate.
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Guys, it's high time to get all women out of all positions of public service.
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Not only is it a tactical necessity, but also a profound kindness to women.
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all right all right all right happy valentine's day this valentine's day let's repeal the 19th
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what could be possibly more loving more romantic for the good of our wives our children our future
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posterity uh than to say hey sweetheart what i got you for this valentine's day is um repealing
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the 19th amendment on a friday too so we have time to celebrate it's beautiful yeah that's so
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All right. We hate feminism. We love women. And because we love women, we hate feminism. Absolutely hate it. And so I don't want to waste any time. I'm going to go ahead and justify what you heard in that cold open.
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There was some strong language, particularly as it pertains to Kristen Hawkins, who just chose to be one of the primary forces working against an abolition bill in North Dakota to see to it that everybody would shoot it down.
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she wrote letters to everybody who was involved said you can't vote for this bill it's not just
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it's bad and uh this hurts uh the pro-life uh cause that we've been working towards you know
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and all these kinds of things um and so that was a bill that had a chance there's bills that just
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they don't have a shot of even making it out of committee right this one had come out of the
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committee to the floor 16 republicans voted for it and then there were all these so-called
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conservatives that were lobbying the rest of the republicans don't vote for it don't let this pass
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don't let this happen it has a chance of it so please make sure it does like they were scared
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they were actually they knew that this one was viable and um and so the conservatives right with
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conservatives like these who needs liberals uh the conservatives and kristen hawkins being uh one of
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the loudest voices interjected themselves to see to it uh that um babies would still be murdered
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in north dakota um and made sure to uh shoot it down and the reason why is because there's a clear
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line from feminism to abortion they're just there is i've said it um for a few years now like
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basically every two or three months i'll just shoot out a tweet where i say um america has
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two options you can worship women or save babies but you can't do both you can worship women or
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you can save babies but you can't do both and so uh real quick just to substantiate some of the
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claims because people might think oh you're being hyperbolic you know to say that she's a raging
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feminist. Let's go ahead and hear it from her. Here's a question. Taking care of your kids right
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now. Excuse me, are you trying to shame a working mother of four who's taking care of my kids right
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now? What an anti-feminist statement to make. In fact, I have an amazing spouse who homeschools
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my children. But if my children were in daycare right now, who are you to tell me that I'm not
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a good mother. Oh, you just asked, who are taking care of my children? Would you ask a man that?
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Would you have asked a man that? If a man was standing here, would you have said,
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who's at home taking care of your kids? No, you wouldn't. You asked me that because I was a woman.
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That's anti-feminist. And that's when I lose. Sorry. I'll calm down.
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i'll calm down does anyone else have a question after i was so nice
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there you have it raging feminist what a terrible day to have ears yeah and eyes so she she literally
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said would you ask a man if it was a man standing here would you ask him that and the proper answer
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of course is no because it's good right and necessary and according with nature and god's
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design for a man to work outside of the home. It is good and right that men who are qualified and
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fit would sit in the city gates, deliberating and making decisions for the village, for the
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community, for the town. The reason you don't ask a man in that position outside of the home,
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in the public square, who's watching his children is because you should instinctively know the
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answer. Who's watching the children? Their mother, because that's right. That's good. That is God's
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design. It is a perfectly legitimate question, however, to ask a woman in the public square,
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if she's a mother, if you have children, and as we'll see later, a couple of those children,
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not just children, but a couple of those children who are significantly ill with cystic fibrosis
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and have regular, frequent needs that accompany an illness like that,
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an illness that, by the way, statistically, greatly shortens your length of life.
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So children who are not only sick, but children who,
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barring a miracle from God, which we can pray and hope for,
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um many people i remember growing up and i knew someone with cystic fibrosis and they lived to
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their early 20s yeah and then and then died and when you say make a wish that's not just hypothetical
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language um this woman and her children actually were uh selected by make a wish they applied for
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it because they were selected was or your friend yep kristin kristin hawkins um they were selected
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and uh by the make a wish foundation so her children um the illness that they have is
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significant enough that an organization like Make-A-Wish would come in and say, yeah, these
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kids aren't going to make it. Not long term. And so we're going to do something special for them.
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So you're talking about a mother with children who's already shirking her duties and God's
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design, but not just a mother with children, a mother with sick children. How sick? So sick
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that a nationally known organization that usually intervenes with children who are on death's
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doorstep uh would be willing to say yeah you qualify for this service and so she's leaving
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her sick and this is not hyperbole her sick and dying children her sick and dying children uh to
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go and save someone else's children right this gets into the order of morse yeah right so you
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care about foreigners but you don't care about your natural citizens right you care about other
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people's families but not your family um well what do we find out uh you know the avocado and
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the stake, right? The heat map meme. If you've seen it, you know, the liberal, the liberal cares
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about things that are inanimate objects and trees and rocks, you know, and certain kinds of smelt
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fish, endangered fish. They care about inanimate objects. And then as it, you know, if human
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beings created in the image of God even find their way into the category of love for a liberal,
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it's going to be, you know, human beings that are as far removed as you could possibly imagine.
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It's human beings on the other side of the planet. Whereas the conservative typically is going to love starting with their wife and their children, their immediate family, then extended family, then neighbors and the community and church and nation. There's going to be that ripple effect going out.
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But what I've noticed in my own personal experiences, anytime I talk to somebody who's more progressive leaning in their cultural views, religious views, political views, who has this disordered loves, they love those who are furthest away and not their own, it's not because their loves are really disordered.
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what it really comes down to is uh it's not that they love the foreigner over uh their own people
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it's that they love no one and it's just easier to claim a false claim of love for a stranger
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that's completely far removed that you never have to back that statement up right so so you can claim
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to love people on the other side of the world all day long and all it requires is a few social media
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posts whereas if you're loving your own children uh that doesn't just require virtue signaling
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occasionally on social media which is free that that uh involves like thousands and thousands of
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dollars and time and effort and work and all these kinds of things because one it's not that it's
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just misordered loves it's um it's a false claim it's false love it's not love and then there's
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real love real love is blood sweat tears cash you know and and false love is you know little
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little post here little post there so my point is this um you have someone who's saying i care
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about the unborn children of other people other people's children meanwhile they're abandoning
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their own sick and dying children and then come to find out they don't love any children because
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when the very thing that they claim to stand for right to stop abortion stop the murder of other
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people's children when there's a viable option under the law for that to take place not only do
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they not get behind it but they stand in the way they're one of the leading hindrances in a bill
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for equal protection getting passed um and that's what happened and just i guess you know we have
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new listeners that join every single week so if you're not familiar equal protection the line of
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logic is is really simple i'm going to lay it out real quick and then i'm going to give it to wes
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and we're going to move into some other things but um here's the point if you really believe
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that all human beings are made in the image of god from the point you are a person a human being
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with innate dignity not half of a life not half human not half dignity but full dignity
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if you believe that that begins at conception and with the church and with all of history you
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believe that conception begins at the point of fertilization not implantation but fertilization
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that that is the beginning of a human life and that jesus was fully human and fully god from the
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womb not just when he was born right that i mean it even messes up the hypostatic union in your
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trinitarian doctrine if you don't believe this jesus was fully he was the god man fully god
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and fully human not just from from the moment he was born but from the moment of conception
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the moment he was conceived by the holy spirit if you believe that then then to say that the
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unborn child has just as much value, dignity, and worth as the born child, if you're going to back
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that up and really believe it, then what you essentially have to say is if they have the same
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degree of dignity and value, their life is just as valuable as a born person's life, then you have to
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say then their life, it merits protecting just as much as a born person's life, right? If there was
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any class of people, born people, that we said, you know what, homicide is going to incur the
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death penalty if we decided homicide is going to incur the death penalty unless you kill a white
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person then you know you get a fine well then we you should the immediate reaction should be
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so white people are less valuable you don't really believe they're fully human you believe
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they're subhuman well so too you have to say if if it's not life or life if it's not whatever the
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same penalty is and i believe it should be the death penalty capital punishment but taking that
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aside, even if a society is wrong, if they have an unequal protection, meaning if you kill a born
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person, you get this penalty, but if you kill an unborn person, you get a lesser penalty, then the
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line of logic is very clear, right? It's a straight line to say, if it's a lesser penalty for killing
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the unborn person than it is for killing the born person, then you have to admit that you believe
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that the unborn person is a lesser penalty because they're less human they are sub human
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sub value sub dignity and this this equal protection bill that went before the legislator
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hit the floor it had a viable chance kristen hawkins and a bunch of conservatives and many
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of them over from from reading the paper it was at least half if not over half of them being
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women female conservatives in the public square we've got to stop that have to stop it
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but a bunch of women who claim to care about other people's children while neglecting their
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own children they when the rubber meets the road and they actually have a chance to stop the murder
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of other people's unborn children not only do they not get behind it they get in the way they
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actually uh they actually work as hard as they can to stop it to stop it because all of her bills and
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this is the last thing i'm going to show go ahead these are the bills that kristin hawkins has
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supported nathan go ahead and put the uh the screenshots up i want you to see we're just
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going to show snippets well before you read that there were a couple comments in the chat who is
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this lady that we're talking about i know the cold open mentioned it but maybe worth just she's a
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president of uh students for life they have about 150 000 students here in the united states and
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they have young energy right you think of organizations they're big but those aren't
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the people knocking on doors going to rallies this is students for life so younger adults
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very energized you've seen that kind of hashtag i am the pro-life generation that's students for
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life big organization pro-life here in the united states yep and she travels to a lot of colleges
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all talks and um you know even kind of debates she helps uh pass or or sponsor legislation uh
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she is very active and travels a lot and while the kids with cystic fibrosis are at home and
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And we'll mention it just briefly so we don't have to come back to it.
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But she makes a very healthy salary to do so.
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And so from receipts, because nonprofits are public, she makes over $300,000.
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And this is $300,000 of money, probably not from students in this case, but mom and dad and grandparents who want to see abortion done.
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She has a million-dollar-plus home in Idaho.
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And she goes around the country, as you were just saying, to end abortion, to drive a stake in it in this state and that state.
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they pay her all of this money she abandons her kids and then fights tooth and nail to keep
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abortion legal which is awful it's a robbery of the people that donated it's a lie it's a farce
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it's immoral it's unequal weights and measures the list goes on and on right um okay so here's
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some quotes uh real quick equal dignity it's it's just three little dots here we go and i'm
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going to connect them equal dignity if you believe the unborn child has equal dignity in the sight of
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god as the born child the born person if equal dignity then there must be equal protection
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and equal protection means equal threat of consequence whatever the penalty is for murdering
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a two-year-old child in the back alleyway that should be the same penalty for for murdering a
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two-month-old child in the womb if the penalty if the consequence is less then the protection
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is less and if the protection is less if we're giving less protection to the unborn child then
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we are saying that this is a class of people that merits less dignity they're not fully human they
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are not truly not fully image bearers of the living god and if that's your view fine it's
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wicked you're going to go to hell apart from repentance and grace which is found in christ
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alone but that's fine that's your prerogative to hold that view but do not do not call yourself
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pro-life right don't be the president of a pro-life organization don't claim to be a conservative
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and go home if you're if you're not going to love all these other unborn children then at least go
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home and love your own children yeah okay so here uh here's some lines these are actual
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bills these are lines from the bills that kristen hawkins does support so these are the ones that
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she supports she said don't support that bill it's bad it's misogynist it's it's um it's it's
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hateful towards women and this kind of stuff because women who murder their children through
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abortion they don't know what they're doing right we all know that women are stupid they don't know
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they just think it's a clump of cells the same as a tumor or cancer we can't expect women to have
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the intelligence level to know that that the baby in their womb is actually a baby right i mean the
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whole thing that's the irony of the whole thing it's like here's a bunch of feminists but what
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they have to depend on for their argument to make sense is is they have to depend on they literally
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have to crux their argument on women being so dumb that they uh they can't possibly be held
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morally culpable right in the same way that if if you had somebody with severe mental illness
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right they could be tried for insanity or something like that and they would get a lesser penalty
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if they committed murder well you're treating every single woman in the united states as though
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they're mentally ill you're literally saying we cannot possibly uh we cannot possibly hold as
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consequences for women that this is murder their own children because we can't expect women to
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actually know to be intelligent enough to know what they're doing, which is just the whole thing
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is just laughable. All right, here's a line says, this is one of the bills that she does support
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a patient upon whom an abortion is performed may not be prosecuted, may not be prosecuted
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for a violation of this section, or a conspiracy to violate this section. In other words,
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the woman who signs up for the abortion who brings her child in her womb in order to be murdered by
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the hit man that she's paying to do it or you're paying depending what state you live in you might
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be paying if you live in a blue state you're literally paying for abortion all of us were
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paying until praise god trump recently stopped the federal funding of planned parenthood but the
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woman who actually goes and pays for the abortion or sees to it that the taxpayer pays for it and
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brings her baby in the womb to the hitman to do the job. The hitman, he can have some prosecution,
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some kind of consequence, slap on the wrist, but she doesn't get anything. Complete impunity.
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Okay, here's another example. Here's another bill. This section does not authorize a woman
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to be charged with or convicted of a criminal offense. So not just murder, right? But any
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criminal offense in the death of her own unborn child. Here's another bill, right? These are all
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lousy bills here's another one this section shall not be construed to impose civil or criminal
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liability any responsibility on a woman upon whom an abortion is performed or attempted in which an
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abortive fashion drug otherwise prohibited under this section is used otherwise prohibited so we'll
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prohibit it but we'll prohibit it but if somehow she gets a hold of it and uses it um no harm no
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out yeah no liability responsibility whatsoever real quick last one one more example all right
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these are four different examples these are four different bills they all say the same thing and
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these are your pro-life bills brothers and sisters you got to get this through your head this is the
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pro-life industry this is uh kristin hawkins and many more it's just it's she's just one example
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the most recent example the urlc was behind almost made it it actually looked like it had
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the votes for complete abolition in louisiana and it's today speaker mike johnson and then brent
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leatherwood through the erlc the ethics and religious liberty commission convention committee
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uh lobbied and got that bill killed so it was about to happen this is a couple years ago not
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even recently a couple years ago it was about to be ended so for those who are saying well you've
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got nothing better actually we have better we have states that have been on the verge of passing
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these kinds of bills and people like christian hawkins and the erlc have stepped in to kill those
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bills and this has happened ad nauseum again and again all right last example this section does
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not authorize a woman to be charged with or convicted of a criminal offense in the death of
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her own unborn child all right so here's the point it's pretty simple christian hawkins
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president of students uh what is it students for life students for life with 150 000 150 000
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some members people in america who are involved in it and people like brent leatherwood with the
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erlc um they don't want to stop abortion because here's the deal um god has told us how to stop
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abortion is just murder and god has told us how to stop murder god has literally told us how to
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stop murder. All the way back in Genesis chapter nine with the Noahic covenant, it is life for
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life. And we see that in Deuteronomy. We see it in Leviticus. We see it over and over throughout
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biblical law. God has told us, if you want crime to stop, the law is a tutor. And what you do is
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you must have swift justice. It can't be delayed. It must also be proportional justice. Tooth for
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tooth, eye for eye, life for life. Life for life. If you don't take someone's life for committing
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an abortion, then you're saying that the abortion they committed was taking less than a life. They
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don't forfeit their life because they didn't actually take a life. They took something less
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than a life. If you give them complete impunity and there's no legal consequence whatsoever,
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then you're saying they didn't do anything. So at that point, you're not just saying you killed
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half of a person or a quarter of a person no you didn't do anything wrong whatsoever there is no
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penalty because there is no crime that's what you're conveying that's the message that you're
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expressing the bible tells us how to end murder the way that you end murder is you execute there's
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a fair trial but then you execute murderers and what happens is it's twofold it gets rid of the
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murder so they don't murder again and also anybody who was even even slightly contemplating or
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tempted by the thought of committing murder they all stand in fear that's what deuteronomy says
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the rest shall stand in fear but when you'd say to society right the law functions as a tutor
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it has a tutoring teaching function it shapes the conscience of society but when you say to
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a society as a whole over the course of half a century that there's a particular class of people
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that you can murder not just with a lesser penalty but with zero penalty zero penalty
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then you are tutoring and shaping for generations 50 years you're talking two three generations
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of women saying um sweetheart there is nothing wrong with this and here's the deal we expect
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that you guys are probably none of this is new you expect that from the democrats you expect that
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from progressives but here's the deal you need to come to expect that sadly from republicans
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from conservatives from pro-lifers from pro-lifers that is their position their position
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the only difference between their position in the democrat position is at the end of the day
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they um they would like to see a little bit a little bit less access to abortion but even with
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that most of the pro-lifers are fine with with plenty of access in pill form yep in pill form
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but a little bit less access in terms of going into a clinic a murder mill they'd like to see
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less access in that regard and some of them would like to see um some kind of penalty for the
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abortion doctor the hitman that he gets you know uh forever you know he he commits you know a hundred
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abortions gets paid tens of thousands of dollars but then every now and then you know somebody
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comes in and finds him you know 1500 bucks right something like that that's what they that's the
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difference so that's your that's your conservative gop member and then the democrat is abortion
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anytime anywhere all the way up to nine months and maybe even after right so uh one position is
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worse i'm not saying that one position isn't worse but but what i want you to understand
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is that the pro-life industry is not pro-life um and and in some way it's it is conceptually better
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than the democrat position however practically conception so theoretically it is better
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but practically the way it plays out is that it's most of your pro-lifers are the reason why
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abolition bills can't ever get passed yep right because they go in the democrats don't have to
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fight them that's right exactly the democrats don't actually have to fight uh abolitionists
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uh the republicans will do it for them yeah um so all that being said um i i wanted you to
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understand a little bit about abolition um of abortion the abolition abolitionist position
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i also wanted you to be particularly aware of this case with kristin hawkins and call for her
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resignation people need to put pressure on her until she is um removed from from public office
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um so so the uh the big idea of uh of abolition the local uh practical example of kristen hawkins
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and then lastly i i really wanted you guys to see um practically and theologically uh the straight
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line uh the immediate correlation that exists between feminism and abortion feminism and
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abortion you cannot right it is it is asinine for us to think that that woman who you just saw in
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this clip. He was like, what an anti-feminist thing to say. I can't believe you're not a feminist
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like me. Would you ask a man that? Would you ask a man who's with his children? You're asking me
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who's with my children right now because you expect me as a mother to be home with my sick
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and dying children. Well, what gave you such a crazy idea? I am an empowered woman. I'm wearing
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in a pantsuit. I'm a boss, babe. Hear me roar. And what I want you to see is that woman, that
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feminist woman, by her own words, because she's literally raging against what she considers to be
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anti-feminist, aka, I think it's pretty safe to assume, that she is pro-feminist. So a feminist
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woman is also a woman who, when you really get beneath the surface, is not a pro-life woman.
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the woman who is pro-feminism will never be pro-baby you can worship women or you can save
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babies you can be a boss babe or you can be a mother you can't do both cannot the thing about
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abortion too it was a bit of a black pill i think it was probably about six months or so ago we
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talked about it but uh you cannot have a society where it's generally expected that you can have
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sex without consequences and that is your right that any given woman you have the right in your
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early 20s to go to college to experiment to have fun do all of these things and face no consequences
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if all you do at the very end of that long line of feminist reasoning is just take away the one
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method that makes it impossible if you somehow manage through herculean strength rule of power
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will if you manage to take that last bit away abortion but you didn't fix all the steps that
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led to it of autonomy of women saying i have the right i have the freedom to do everything i want
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if you don't do that you are just going to get abortion back it's not just about like we have
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this one thing society we've if we fix it somehow some way some law we discourage it no the whole
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thing all the way back to beginning has to be thoroughly reset so women and wives and mothers
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they're thinking in terms of what's my life calling what am i intended to do i'm looking
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forward to a home and a husband and children and that is my expectation it's not career and it's
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not politics it's not necessarily college although there can be places for those but primarily when
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this happens as a result of natural things that it happens this is exactly what i expected this
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was always part of my plan retooling that is what's going to eventually lead to the ending
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of abortion and it's not just well hearts and minds one heart one mind at a time you teach
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through the law that life is precious so you end abortion with the force of law we i think you put
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republican party platform uh women will not hold public office we're about to talk about that in
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another segment teaching the place of the woman is in the home so through the law with abortion
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through the law with politics that wouldn't necessarily be the law so much as the convention
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itself but still with societal expectations you teach teach teach teach teach hormonal birth
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control off the shelves it's not abortion narrowly speaking but it is a way of you should have
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consequence-free sex you shouldn't experience the results of your action so you teach all the way
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back that's how you actually end abortion not just for five years to the backlash right but once and
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for all and the hormonal birth control pill is an abortive fashion um in the sense that three
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primary mechanisms of you know um slowing down the sperm and then um uh not producing the egg
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but the third is thinning the uterine wall, the lining of the uterine wall.
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And, you know, people make the argument and say, well, you know,
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but if the first two mechanisms fail, slowing down the sperm
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and causing the woman, you know, her cycle not to happen
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so that she doesn't produce an egg that could be fertilized,
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well, if those two fail, then we should assume that the third,
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or I'm sorry, the third, the thinning of the uterine wall,
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if that fails, then we should assume that the step one and step two fail as well.
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and as far as i'm concerned it never will be done because there's not an incentive financial
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incentive for any pharmaceutical company to ever do this kind of research but um so so then you're
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playing russian roulette you don't know you're guessing you're saying that um if because we know
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here's the point we know the pill can fail uh fail how do we know that the pill can fail because
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there's people who take the pill who get pregnant right so you know that all three of the mechanisms
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can fail um so then the question is we know all three can fail and we know that some combination
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of of the three can succeed because we also know that people can regularly not get pregnant if
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they're on the pill so then the question is can some of those three mechanisms fail while one
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namely the third remains intact because because if um the the sperm are not slowed down and if
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the eggs are still reproduced so that you do have fertilization which is conception christian all
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christian thought uh for centuries so so fertilization life is still happening but then
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there's no hospitable environment for that life to go to because the uterine wall has been thinned
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and so you're just sending a human being fertilized to its death to go and to die
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because it can't attach to anything to then be implanted then then then the hormonal birth
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control pill is is a killing mechanism and there's never been from what what i've seen
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you are using it at the risk of your children's lives.
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You're using it at the risk of your children's,
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and she's no longer attracted to the man that she married.
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say this is not aborting, still be wrong, still banned.
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These are mechanisms that we put in place to teach people
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you should be free from the consequences of the thing that God has made.
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Right, sexual revolution, sex without consequences.
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Before we go into our break, I wanted to pick up on one thing that Wes said
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and relate it to a comment that Sully Dale Music said earlier.
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And she said, oh, so Kristen Hawkins is a fraud
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It seems like it actually comes from well-intentioned donors, but the problem is not that she's
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The problem is she actually thinks that the pro-life position can exist alongside the
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The idea that we can ban abortion in all cases except for when a mother is involved in it
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because the mother's rights are more important or, as you said earlier, Joel, a mom is too
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dumb to know that she's killing her baby is such a logical contradiction that it would be better if
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she was just a grifter and a fraud trying to get money out of it. But she and many of the people
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in her orbit believe that the positions of don't kill babies and don't hold women responsible
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can mutually live together. That's actually a much, much worse position than if she was just
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a grifter and a fraud. Amen. Nathan, real quick, go up to conceptual clarity. They had a comment
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that I want to address. It says, abortion abolition is right, meaning it's the correct
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position, folks, but unless there is a revival, the likes of which we have never seen in this
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country, there's no chance of it in our lifetime. And I just want to say that I'm not trying to
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pick on you, conceptual clarity. I appreciate your involvement and engagement. I'd prefer to
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see a super chat next time all right let's uh let's do that but apart from that um glad you're
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listening to the show appreciate uh your input um could not possibly disagree more okay and the
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only reason i'm saying this is not to pick on you uh but because i've just heard this ad nauseum
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again and again from so many believers for several months now um for years really for the last two
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or three years, as I've embraced more of what I believe is the reform tradition and the biblical
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position on political philosophy, which is the revival mentality, I think, has destroyed our
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country. Revivalism, I think, has been one of our great downfalls. This idea that the only way we
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can experience any positive change is that we're basically just we're forced to just wait upon the
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holy spirit to choose that he's sovereignly going to move and regenerate 50 percent of the hearts
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in this country plus one right and then through our sacred democracy with a simple majority we
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can then vote in and elect good people and get good laws that's not true that's not when you
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look historically that is not how history has been made even in biblical history in the old
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testament with israel that's not how history has been made time and time again there are example
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after example after example of not a simple majority but a a minority and in many cases a
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stark minority of people who were strategic influential they got involved they moved this
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way moved that way they made this decision and they passed a law and then and then even if the
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majority of people didn't agree with it they still had to abide by it they still had to abide by it
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and if you're wondering like well give me one example well i'll give you one example in the
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negative three percent of the population of this country over the course of 40 years replaced the
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american flag with a rainbow and not only for this country but as we're finding out every single day
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they actually saw to it that we would send billions upon billions and billions of dollars
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to make sure that our sacred sodomy would be exported the number one export from the united
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states so that pakistanis could learn how to do arithmetic and sodomize and not just pakistan but
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every nation virtually on the planet in south america in the middle east all over all over
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and here's the deal three percent of the population they they what they did was they were methodical
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they were uh calculated they they were strategic and they were determined yep and they would not
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take no for an answer right and what they did slowly over time but not that much time 40 years
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it's one generation one generation they were able to change um the minds because now most people are
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actually okay with gay marriage now it's ticking down i was about to say it has peaked but here's
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the deal well that's another thing that you know this listener many others need to hear um it can
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change in both directions yep sure there is no biblical argument i get sick and tired of people
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they think that it's somehow written in the stars that it's inscripturated that in every generation
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and in every nation every every time every people every place that things can change but only for
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the worse yeah right that is not a biblical idea it's not it's not a biblical that's that's a
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dispensationalist idea that's a Schofield idea that's a our greatest ally Israel idea that's a
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Zionist idea but that's not a biblical idea our channel we we we do we do bible uh we don't do
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American Zionism dispensationalism that's that's not our there's a lot of channels to choose from
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If that's what you're looking for, if not, then yeah, we're the anti-Semitic channel.
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We believe that Jews should repent of their sin and believe the gospel of the Lord Jesus
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Christ and be saved by grace through faith in him alone, and that they should be converted
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I love Jews, and I would love to see them pleasantly converted to Christianity.
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I wish them a very pleasant conversion to Christianity.
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Apart from that, though, then yeah, get out of the church.
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get out of of of american politics and no i don't want zionism i don't want judaism i don't want
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islam i don't want hinduism i i don't want uh lgbt lmnop the the alphabet mafia i don't want
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any of it and here's the point small groups of people from zionism from lgbt from marxism there
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is example after example after example of a minority always a minority changing the majority
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it has happened time and time again and it can happen both ways it is not written in the stars
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that things can only be changed by a minority for the worse and that if you're a christian
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you simply have to sit on your hands and hope that god would send a supernatural you know a
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third great awakening because the second one was lousy but a third great awakening and until then
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then we just have to you know deal with abortion it's just going to be a regular part of it
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no which doesn't mean we don't pray for an awakening yeah you do both yes so i'm
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pastor so at the there's different spheres there are different realms so as a churchman as a pastor
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and not not just for pastors but as a christian you should be in a church as a church member a
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churchman you should all be churchmen you need to be worshiping with the saints on the lord's day
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and you need to be doing the work of an evangelist right sharing your faith sharing the gospel and
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and seeking to make disciples all these kinds of things so you do that on the one hand so that if
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god does send revival there's if god does send the fire revival from heaven there's actually some
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kindling for it to ignite okay so we do that also we can also in the meantime while we're waiting
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for god to do something like that we can recognize he might he also might not and so what we can also
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do is in our other spheres of human society right because it's not just the church institute but the
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church as people as christians we we're involved in other realms of life so so start influencing
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media start influencing art start start a business and be successful be powerful be wealthy if you
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can not for your own comfort not not because your treasure is here on earth but so that you can
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utilize and wield all these things as levers as influence in order to push for the crown rights
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of king jesus pursue local office in in the political realm um all these things and and
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here's the deal if we can do these faithfully by god's grace you can enact change whether people
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agree with it or not you do not need 50 of the country plus one to agree with you um in order
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to enact god's law you see all the all throughout biblical history guys like josiah he comes into
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the kingship and he says israel um what do the majority of you want to do no he says israel
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you're degenerates we're going to worship yahweh well we don't want to tough i loved one comment
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it said i don't know who was from maybe nate can pull it up revivalism is feminine instincts cloaked
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reformed reform is masculine revival says we wait it's feminine it's passive timothy hatcher
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yeah that right there that is a comment still would have loved to see a super chat on that
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reform is masculine bold courage of the few if you know this read the whole thing one more time
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go ahead revivalism is just cloaked feminine consciences reform is masculine bold courage
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of the few that's so good wow yep yep amen all right show's done timothy he just yeah we could
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have just led with that ended with that the show's not done but maybe the section real quick speaking
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the super chats because i've been oh yeah there's i've been i'm being comical just for the record
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um okay but somebody actually did one so cameron stevenson appreciate it he said
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uh joel i think it would be helpful if you guys uh for you guys to talk about the concept of
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household vote yeah uh thanks and see you at the crisis king conference looking forward to seeing
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you uh he's basically saying like you want to answer it maybe at the end more fully i'll do
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real fast so repealing the 19th amendment i will just for the record here's the deal american uh
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our american heritage as it pertains to government we have always held to representative government
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somebody represents you always somebody right now represents me and it's not just me on multiple
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levels even right on multiple levels i'm being represented at the county level at the state
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level at the federal level we are always being represented um all all repealing the 19th amendment
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all we mean by that and really it's it's it's even wider than that it's it's universal suffrage
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was a very very wicked and bad idea it was a bad idea it's representative government um and and
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what that asserts is that the basic building block of a society in these united states is not an
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individual atomistic person i'm i'm the captain of my own destiny no the the basic the fundamental
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building block is not the atom but the molecule and the molecule and this analogy that i'm using
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is the family it's the household so it goes all the way down to households not individuals
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but households and therefore someone has to represent the household and that's something
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that god has already determined in his word that the husband should be the head of the wife he's
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the head of the household so well how do women get a voice they get a voice through their husband
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through their father through their uncle through their brother right and and this is how things
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worked in the past that men would represent the family and what kind of men men who had a stake
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in the in the country's past and in its future right so they actually had a heritage they cared
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about the country they didn't just show it 15 minutes ago they were heritage americans okay
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so people who had a stake in the country's past and also they were fathers they weren't childless
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cat ladies voting they were men with children with wives and children meaning they weren't
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just voting for what would be best for this generation well free trade without any limitations
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whatsoever and let's you know tariffs are bad because gdp must go up and i'm currently invested
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you know in and palantir and i need peter teal to you know be successful and i need pennies on
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the dollar and outsourcing labor so that i can retire and have four houses and go on cruises
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right that's a guy who's not thinking about the next generation right you call that a boomer
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that's like that that is um someone who's not thinking about the future so who did you want
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voting you wanted guys who had who had fathers who were part of this nation their own fathers
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right so that they had a stake in the past and they had sons sons and daughters so they had a
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stake in the future and then that guy would vote and be the voice for his household representative
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government that's what we're advocating for let me make one correction there was a super chat from
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nathan weiser uh prominent abolitionist i believe he said hey just for the record copper iud's are
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that's a hundred thousand percent 100 percent abortifacient in fact it's their only mechanism
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uh just googled it he is correct that it is one part of it it is toxic to the embryo which would
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be a human life so that is true and i am corrected the primary mechanism is the copper ions that
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affect the sperm so you you put wire which is so mechanical and you put a wire in there for 10
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years it releases these positive ions that are toxic to sperm so you don't get pregnant but also
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as a fail-safe mechanism he's absolutely correct so then it's the same concept as the hormonal
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birth control so it's like there may be another thing built it's not an abortive fashion as a
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primary means but that could technically fail and then the fail-safe is abortive fashion it is
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murderous. We've got so many. We've got to do them real quick. Michael, super chat. Look at
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these super chats. That's what I'm talking about. Michael, God bless you. He says, Trump can't even
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find a real pastor, a man, right? So Paula White, you're absolutely right. He appoints a lady
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preacher with the boss babe pantsuit, Paula White, as pastor of America. God have mercy.
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uh we won't change this until the church changes this is it um we have we have to get women out of
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the pulpit first so you're saying we got to get women out of the you're not going to get your
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kristin hawkins out of the public square if you can't even get women out of the pub uh pulpit
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if the church can't do it the nation can't do it i would have always supported that
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like my whole life here's the deal and these are some of the things that i've changed on
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much to the chagrin of many many many many many pearl clutching christians christians
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um west and i have kind of a running bet with some of the american reformer guys josh abattoy
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um and just okay this is where i always get in trouble dynamic difference between a prediction
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and a prescription please understand that okay so a prescription is something you're saying this is
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what we should do this is what's morally right this is what's ideal that's a prescription a
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prediction is saying i think this is what's going to happen whether you like it or not um i i think
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uh that it should have been the church okay i'm 100 on board with that prescriptive should have
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in the church leading the way uh the church has not led the culture in america for at least what
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what do you think 50 years 70 years longer than that yeah i'd say old princeton was kind of the
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the height of it which would be early 1900s yeah okay 100 years so the church has not been leading
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the culture for a century fair probably fair um have you seen the meme going around i think it's
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hilarious it's a scene from i think the show is the umbrella academy another superhero show because
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we don't have enough no we need those but it's like two of the characters two superheroes brother
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and sister and one of them is trying to catch up with the other one drove off in a car and then
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you got the other sibling uh who jumps in a car real quick and is trying to catch them and so
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they're going around a bin trying to catch them and then all of a sudden they see the person that
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they're literally trying to catch um they i guess went around the bin and then turned around and now
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they're coming back the exact opposite way and they uh both are driving trying to find each other
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and now they're driving past each other and they're both kind of doing one of these heads
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like what you're going that way i'm going this way and then the meme uh says uh uh the text says
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um the american church uh uh trying to appease uh woke culture in the united states
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as the culture has whiplashed to the right and i think that's profound i think that's exactly
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what we're seeing and that's been that has been my shtick for like every episode for the last two
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years i've gotten a ton of grief for it from everyone you could possibly imagine every single
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christian pastor you can imagine but here's my thing all along i've said it a million times all
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long, I said, nature will return with a vengeance. The rubber band will snap back when it does,
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because it's been held so long, suppressed so long, when it snaps back, it's going to go back
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fast and hard. And the question will be not whether, but which. There will be a return from
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leftist globalism to, on the right, nationalism, from egalitarianism to hierarchy, from feminism
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to patriarchy at every level we're going to snap back into the natural order nature remains the
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undefeated champion of all of human history and secular humanism was able to temporarily suppress
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it but not ultimately beat it nature will win and when it wins it will win suddenly and and
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powerfully and so then the rubber band is going to snap back the culture is going to snap back
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to nature what is natural and already we're seeing it in real time every day the overdue
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window is shifting at light speed and and so then here's the question not whether we return to nature
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but which which form of nature will we return to so when we inevitably snap back from globalism
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to nationalism will be islamic nationalism will be zionism right one nation is allowed
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there's some blood and soil right there yep there you go israel everybody's on board for that um
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and and then you know or or will it be pagan nationalism you know or will it be christian
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nationalism same with patriarchy will be andrew tate that guy's patriarchal but it's not christian
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patriarchy it's not biblical patriarchy right so is it going to be islamic patriarchy is it going
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to be degenerate pagan patriarchy um you're going to get it's not whether but which so you will get
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patriarchy you will get nationalism you will get hierarchy god's order um you're going to get it
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and my whole thing for the last two years has been saying i've been trying to say uh christians
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stop playing it close to the chest stop trying to to be safe stop trying to be safe you need to
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run out run all the way back to what's old tested tried and true what what did calvin think what did
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luther think what what what did athanasius think what did aristotle he wasn't a christian but what
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he think what did aquinas will use it what what is old tried tested and true christian thought
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throughout the centuries because they all adhered to nature right they were that none of them were
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globalist none of them were feminist none of them so you need to get out of the 20th century we need
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to repeal not just the 19th amendment we need to repeal the entire 20th century so go back back
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before that and see what every single christian thought and then you need to run to that spot
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But if Christians just spent the last two years
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who would even consider Christian nationalism as a viable option so that there are no Christians
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now standing in that space. Now, when the culture snaps back into God's natural order and embraces
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nationalism over globalism, they'll look and say, well, I guess there's not a Christian option.
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We know we need nationalism, but there is no Christian option, no Christian version of
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nationalism. So I guess it's going to be just a pagan nationalism or humanist Darwinian
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nationalism or this or that or the other. That's where we're at. The return is inevitable.
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So all the way back to the comment who said, you know, we got to, the church has to lead the way.
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The church should lead the way, prescriptive, but in terms of what will happen, prediction,
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well, if the precedent set over the last hundred years is any indicator, which is the church
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following the culture on everything for a hundred years straight. That's currently the precedent.
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Then yeah, not my prescription, not what I would want, but in terms of my prediction,
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what I think will occur is I think that the church, in a sad, pathetic attempt to be relevant,
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not true principle, not true fidelity to God's word and virtue, but simply doing what the church
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has done for 100 years wanting to be relevant and receive the praise of men that the culture
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will actually snap back into the natural order and then the church will get there 10 years later
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like it always does and then find out oh stephen wolf was right and that's if a christian prince
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doesn't come in and say hey mainlines you're done that would be like honestly like we i don't think
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we have 50 years for them to organically run out of money we need the prince to come in and say
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you had a good run we're going to take it from here we're going to give these churches to uh
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churches that are actually christian dude all right i know we got to go to the commercial but
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no this is great we got a 50 dollar super chat that's but you got to try to pronounce that name
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when we talk about super chat i can do it yeah say it bo kennington kennington yeah we got it
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there we go these are like probably one of my best friends we've been friends for like 20 seconds
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since i saw the super chat but we are friends um 50 super chat incredibly kind incredibly generous
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thank you bo um he said this i'll support timothy's statement what timothy said earlier on i think he
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was the guy who said the um yeah it needs to be reformation not revivalism uh masculine and not
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feminine um he said i'll support timothy's statement and your ministry um in general
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appreciate your work and outreach thank you so much bo we appreciate it let's go ahead now hold
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on hold on i think we're going to pivot away from the abortion so it's worth reading ben's
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isloff's correction because that does need to be mentioned just for the accurate record so nate if
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you can pull up yeah no super chat from ben yeah right he thinks he's getting his correction in
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he's like i can do this for free no this is good we want to be you know we want to be accurate okay
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so all right uh he says he says lots of solid points just a quick correction kristin signed
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a letter against a north dakota republican party equal protection resolution not the abolition bill
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specifically in north dakota but to your point that action still tossed cold water on the idea
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of equal protection in north dakota and just this afternoon she said that she would have opposed the
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bill had she known about it good to know there you go yeah so she didn't technically oppose the bill
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no uh because she didn't know about it she opposed something less she would have less than the bill
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like resolutions are less than bills right so even just the resolution can't do it really if
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anything that's an argument from the greater to the lesser she's like this isn't even a bill it's
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just a resolution and i'm still gonna give it everything i got um yeah that's pretty crazy
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thanks for that correction ben all right remind me in the future making jokes about super chats
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is highly effective because we can't ever go to a commercial off camera yeah you're right
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but it's the 14th people got paid probably that's coming up they got paid all these single guys who
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living in their mom's basement with uh with no job all the accounts who are they can't celebrate
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valentine's day you know because they don't have a girlfriend uh no we're actually they're getting
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ready to go on a great steak dinner with their wife we're actually yeah we're actually not one
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of those ministries that will disparage um every single guy who thinks that maybe christians were
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faithful you know before 1945 um lots of ministries that'll do that that'll just automatically assume
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and disparage you must be unemployed live in your mom's basement you uh when in reality because
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we've gotten to know a lot of these guys um they're 35 40 45 50 years old several of them
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are millionaires uh about half of them are entrepreneurs and own their own business
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and on average um they're married with five or six children i was about to say three to five is like
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average like many have more some have slightly fewer they're younger three to five is just
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starting point that's your uh that's your anonymous accounts on x yeah seriously yeah
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are some of them uh completely unhinged sure um but most of these guys are good guys and they're
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good guys who let's just all these other ministries need to be honest and just say we don't like them
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um and we also don't like any other christian before 1945 right like we just like just be
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consistent it's like we don't like the anons we also don't like calvin we also don't like aquinas
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We also don't like, we would have excommunicated the reformers.
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And that's why we're trying to hunt down and dox and excommunicate the anonymous accounts.
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He says, the Christian church needs to lead the way and money.
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And it needs to get rid of women voting in our congregations first.
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It rings hollow when we call for repealing the 19th Amendment.
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i think most christians that are calling for repealing the 19th are in churches where women
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are not probably for our church we you know i don't have time to get into it but we are
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congregational we do have congregation voting um we're a little bit i'm a little bit creative
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and the elders were a little bit creative with this in the sense that what i don't like is i
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don't like the single woman right whose parents are not members of the church right because she's
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maybe she's a college student or something like that her parents live in uh out of state which
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we've had in our church which we've had exactly so you have a 22 year old single lady who who
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absolutely deserves to be a member in the church right because she's stationed in in our county
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for the foreseeable future because of school whatever it is and her parents are in another
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state um and and her father has given her permission to be a member in our church she's
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pursuing membership and then because we're congregational and members are getting votes
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now she gets a vote because she's she's not married and her father's not a member in our
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church so she is her own household and so now the 22 year old single uh woman is uh has a household
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vote that rivals in voting power um the patriarchal man with a wife and 10 kids and i'm like that guy
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should like if she gets a vote then that guy should get like 10 votes right right he should
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have more voting power so we kind of do it in our church it is household um but it's household and
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you get more votes based off of how many baptized members of your family you represent so if you have
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eight children and a wife so there's 10 kids in the family and six of those children are baptized
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and the wife is baptized and you're baptized then we're going to count that as a a vote of eight
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yep but we don't have any any instance of a wife is voting against her husband and the husband of
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that home could say i'm going to take the eight votes that i have and vote in favor or against
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this he has that authority that's right although he does not have to right okay all right here we
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armor spread choice all right i'm going to make the argument now from the lesser to the greater
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i think it's called inductive reasoning when you use an example and you use that to then reason to
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a pattern right i checked my master bedroom there was nobody in there so i'm going to reason to the
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greater which is not be noticing patterns oh i've got a reason from the example to the principle
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and so i want to flesh out more what is the general principle underneath the title of this
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episode which is to get women out of public service the thesis would be right you can't
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make a whole argument on there's one woman that's grifting she's opposing like true abolition of
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abortion she's abandoning her sick kids like one person is doing that doesn't necessarily valid
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they a whole premise but the premise that we're arguing is that when you put women in the station
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of public life. And again, the reformers from Bollinger, from Knox, from Calvin, they all argue
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this. When you put her in public life, specifically in positions of authority, power, rule, and reign,
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that you put her in an unnatural position and being in an unnatural position, like a man that
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is maybe a stay-at-home husband. It's against nature. It's contrary to nature. When you do that,
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you set someone up for failure. There have been notable, I'm not going to like, we're not going
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to show images of every headline that's come across. It's a little bit tabloid. But you
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think of some of the most well-known conservative. Now, these would be conservative. These would
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be, quote-unquote, Christian women that serve in elected office all over this country. One
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of them, for example, would be Christy Noem. She was governor for a while. Was it North
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or South Dakota, Michael? South. Governor of South Dakota. Had a lot of conservative
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legislation, this, that, or the other. A couple years ago, it turns out, while she was at
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the governor's office doing governor things, she had an over-year-long affair with a Trump
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staffer oh that's not good marjorie taylor green lauren bober sarah palin all of them have been
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divorced while they're in office uh over and over again there's other two other governors it's the
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governor of alabama the governor of iowa republican governors they're both divorced one of them has no
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children whatsoever and so you start seeing a pattern emerge and then you go to the literature
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and you look at the literature and you say okay so if a woman enters the workforce and she's
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promoted and gets raises how does that affect her happiness how does that affect her marriage her
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longevity, all of that. So this is a study from an economics journal. Nate, you can show graph
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number one here. And it shows on the graph. Real quick, there's also a study about subscribing to
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our YouTube channel and how that will make a difference for the kingdom of God and getting
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the algorithm. And liking the video, that's what they found. And liking the video and sharing the
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video and clicking the bell when you subscribe so that you'll be notified by every new piece of
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content that we put out and also going over on x to our handle at right response m lots of studies
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show that uh if you do that you won't be gay and uh good christian message will be promoted
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peer-reviewed studies show this we are the peers
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all right so uh 2018 all the single ladies is the the title of the article job promotions and
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durability of marriage so you have here a graph and you see on the left women and on the right
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men and so they tracked women and the sample size they had a certain point where they were
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promoted so they were promoted to a higher level they were given a higher bill which generally
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means they're climbing the corporate ladder right they're they're working longer hours etc
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so in women right here on the left you can see this quote for women obtaining such a promotion
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promotion to a higher level doubles doubles the probability of divorce whereas men's divorce
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rate remain unaffected by similar career advancements uh there's not a ton of literature
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on this it's not like people are getting studies of 80 000 some people and parsing it all out
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but when you go and look at it it's not just well there's a slight increase no it's 10 percent
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higher a woman that takes those advancements that prolongs in her career doubles her chance of
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divorce and divorce it is of course destructive in the sin sense in this the dissolution of the
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family divorce ruins people's finances it ruins their family relationships eats uh you talk about
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like generational wealth and things like that like part of the like you think about like why
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why we're in so much trouble you know younger generations millennials and especially gen z
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gen z is furious and rightfully so justifiably so right because you know prior generations have
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made it virtually impossible for them to own a home and get married and have kids especially to
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have like a single you know household income and all those kinds of things and one of the things
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that often doesn't get cited as as one of the reasons but it is a reason is you know like
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globalism and free trade and zero tariffs you know like trump is fixing some of these things so that
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all of our jobs were exported, you know, all manufacturing is overseas. And then just flood
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of immigration for people to come in. You know, Democrats have always held the position of,
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but who will pick the cotton? Somebody's got to pick the cotton, right? Democrats needed the
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slaves back in the day. Now they need, you know, the illegal immigrants, you know, so that they
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can do, you know, be their house cleaner or whatever. No, no, actually, we can do those
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kinds of jobs. Americans can do those jobs and they won't be the best paying jobs, but they
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would be better paying they would be better paying if if we didn't have the burden the tax
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burden of supporting all these millions of people who shouldn't be here you have a lot more walking
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around money you know like so taxes would be lower wages would be higher um goods would cost more i'll
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admit that goods would cost more but they also would not need to be replaced every 18 months you
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know you you build things to last so you'd be buying a refrigerator like back in the day you
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look at like those refrigerators they still they still work those refrigerators that were made in
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the 50s like um and and now it's like everything has to be every electronic has to be replaced
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you know within two weeks planned obsolescence exactly planned obsolescence so products would
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be more expensive but they would last longer wages would be higher taxes would be lower um
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so there's all those things immigration globalism you know free trade you know that's limitless
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without any barriers whatsoever but another one is divorce uh for gen z and millennials if you're
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wondering like where's my inheritance well your dad's on his third marriage right if you're like
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seriously your boomer father you're wondering what like how come you know i talked to him like
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dad do you have a will and like oh my dad actually he's not being selfish he's not just spending all
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on cruises and all those kinds of things not caring about me and the grandkids he actually
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is leaving us an inheritance but i don't understand my dad's had a good job for 40 years
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and um and he we talked about it briefly and i didn't want to give him a hard time but
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he said he's going to leave us like 15 000 that's it like where did it go well he's on his third
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marriage because he split his finances in half he got split in half multiple times that's where it
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went yep yep absolutely uh someone put this tyler put this in the chat putting lots of women around
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them which would be other men in leadership positions is naturally incentivized for many
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reasons in that you put women with men and me and michael we were talking about on the way over like
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work wife work husband for one that that's of course despicable it's the idea that like there's
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your wife or your husband at home but then there's the person at the office that you flirt with but
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maybe the problem isn't necessarily oh these people get in the positions and they do immoral
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things maybe hear me out the pairing is immoral in the first place let's take young men and young
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women let's throw in their late 20s so the prime of attractiveness fitness all these different
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things we're going to throw them together we're going to have them work long hours on projects
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spend 50 60 hours a week together travel to hotels we're going to do that and we're going to expect
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not an ounce camaraderie shared humor shared interest anything like that the problem is not
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that how could how could christy noem have had an affair with this man that she was you know
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staying up till 10 p.m at night with in a conference room planning for a presentation
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how could this have happened oh because she was in an unnatural station yep like we you could say
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like well men have affairs too yes they do but the sin didn't start when they themselves took a
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position or political office in the first place that's right for the woman that's where it started
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she went into office she was someplace she shouldn't have been exactly it started when
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he gave into the temptation but like john owen talks about making no provisions for the flesh
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the man um it was not a sin for him to get a job it was not a sin uh inherently a sin from the get-go
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for him to be uh work in politics and work late hours and long work long weeks that's none of
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that is inherently sinful right uh for the woman though it's not just when she gave into the
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temptation of having the affair right it was a sin it was a sin to be in that context to begin with
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exactly and so you throw people together this weird world where you take men and women like
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jordan peterson he's weird but he's he's correct on this he says we have never experimented like
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this before we take women and we put them in makeup which all makeup is meant to do is to
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accentuate features that relate to fertility we take men and put them in suits we throw them
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together in cubicles for 40 50 hours a week and then we throw up our hands like oh my goodness
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divorce has gone up and affairs have gone up and fertility someone called it out but fertility is
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down like i always joke about the you know the pantsuits you know like like but it's not even
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just that like being a little bit specific here but i think it helps to be specific and get into
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like some of the the ulterior motives and stuff um how many women in in the business um in the
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business context uh how many of them wear flat footwear like isn't it almost always like high
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heels yep i don't know i've seen both but in business both yeah okay i think when women
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entered i won't make the argument if in the 80s and 90s it was definitely all high heels but i
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think that has yep okay but structured suits so there's framing on the shoulders because shoulders
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and framing it's a power pose it gives you a type of authority like even like red like lipstick and
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stuff like that those are designed to accentuate how god made women which is to be attractive to
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men and so we could look at and say well the problem is men the problem is is youth the problem
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is all these different things sure those are problems when they lead into sin but putting
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them together in the first place. And so we say, take women out of public service. Take these women
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like Kristen Hawkins that are doing damage to the cause. Take these conservative Christian women
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that should be loving their new grandchildren right now. Like a lot of these women like Pam
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Bondi and others that have been put in office, for one, and it's not fun to think about, for one,
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most of them are in menopause. So they're going through a huge hormonal psychological change
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as they exit their 40s and get into their 50s. And you're asking them to work. Guys, these people
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work 50 to 60 hours a week at that level if not more yep 50 60 70 hours a week stressful like i
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see down in the capital where i work the amount of demands that are on local state representatives
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these senators and these attorney generals are demanded of for 60 70 hours a week they're going
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through changes in their body the most loving thing you could do loving kind protective for
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their health their flourishing their happiness their joy their sanctification is to take them
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home to love their children to get down on the floor with their grandkids to care for the home
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to serve others around them those are the most loving things and you cannot tell me i love women
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and i love them so much i'll send them to dc half a country away to work 70 hours a week because i
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love them so much no you don't you hate them and you're a monster stop it yeah that's good all
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right um anything else for this segment are there some quotes that you wanted to read wes
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um they're like some theological a video of a just a good example okay talk a lot about don't
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don't don't don't don't let me show you a woman i got one more graph too let me show you a woman
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that's happy game michael wes's chart game i just gotta say no i'm just trying to i'm westman's
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competition so i you know i've got to compete well here's the deal when in doubt charts save
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lives they say the whole world is a better place right now because of charts save president trump
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um if you think you're a patriot and you're not putting charts in your podcast then you just
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you're a joke okay all right let's play this video nate this is video two and show one chart
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and go to our last commercial break video three i just finished feeding him and he just like
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cuddles up on me like this how am i supposed to put him back in the car seat to drive home
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i don't want to he's being so sweet he's been so good he ate 45 minutes after he was supposed to
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now he just wants to cuddle it's like rainy we're eating at home tonight
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i love being a mom i want nothing more in this life but to have like a million more babies honestly
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god bless it i love it and doesn't that woman look a lot happier she looks happy than uh than
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kristen hawkins for instance all right same thing argue from the lesser happier thinner i mean happier
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no but i mean there is a correlation there is a correlation you if you're a monster on the inside
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little by little by little you become a monster on the outside women that are overweight vote
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democrat more often there's a correlation um so lesser this great example to the greater this is
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So the chart came out and ranked, asked women,
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Liberal women, 29% of them answered in the affirmative
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And then down to the bottom, liberal women least likely to be completely satisfied with life.
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You've got 37% of conservative women that said, I am completely satisfied with life.
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Legitimately, of all that I could reasonably expect in life, I'm satisfied.
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Across every category, every domain, every measurement you can do.
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that way of life is unnatural and it makes people unhappy and it destroys the soul for the love of
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those people but especially for women especially for women yeah yeah nobody i feel like no but
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other than babies unborn babies right they die um but apart from unborn babies i feel like there's
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no class of people that's more negatively affected by democrat policies and ideologies and all those
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kind of things than women yep yeah absolutely especially single women yep yep like i have a
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daughter and i love her so much that i will never let any of this like these ideas these thoughts
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empowerment never gonna let it get to her not because i have grand dreams or whatever like i
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keep you isolated and sheltered all these things because i want her to be the happiest and the best
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that she's going to be it is a profound love to say no that's not good for you that's not healthy
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all right uh we're gonna take questions we've got some great ones already we'll see how many
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we get to thanks everyone for the comments the questions likes all those different things
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we got a super chat darth amigulation we did vociferously in the cold open
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joel nailed the pronunciation we've got another big word here all right did i oh yeah you did
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great good i gotta find a bigger word next week all right darth asked this super chat thank you
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very much what do you say about the argument that first timothy only applies to women in the family
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and in the church but not to the secular realm i agree with you by the way that's a great question
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and i would actually say that probably in paul's view there is only the home and the church so i
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think of first timothy i do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man so some
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would say that's speaking of the home where the husband is the head of the home and a florida
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authority flows from him, and in the church, where the pastors are the head of the church,
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under shepherds, under Christ, and authority flows through them. So the home and the church,
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but not necessarily in the secular realm. And actually, that is true. I think that's Paul's
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narrow scope. It's nature that teaches more generally, that for women to hold authority
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and to rule and to reign in different ways is generally unnatural. That is not suited to their
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disposition to their makeup to the constitution however caveat and we'll just be honest about
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the historical record there was some level of disagreement among the reformers and so we
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actually had these quotes prepared for a different segment but i'm going to read these out to you now
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from two different guys that had a little bit of a broader view on it than maybe you would think
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that that we have we understand that there's complexities there's nuances this is a timely
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thing church has been actually talking about for a long time exactly exactly so this is the first
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quote. This is from a Swiss theologian, Henry Bollinger, active in the 1500s. He said this,
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but if a woman in compliance with or in obedience to the laws and customs of the realm,
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so she's a lawful, law-abiding citizen, is acknowledged as queen and in maintenance of
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the hereditary right of government is married to a husband, or in the meantime holds the reins of
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government by means of her own concealers, it is a hazardous thing for godly persons to set
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themselves in opposition to political regulations, especially as the gospel does not seem to
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unsettle or abrogate hereditary rights and the political laws of kingdoms.
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Nor do we read that Philip the eunuch, by right of the gospel, drove out Candace from
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Essentially saying if you are in a scenario, Christians are in a scenario where a queen
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or a princess has inherited the right to the throne for a time, that in and of itself
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That's not necessarily something to be overthrown and resisted, that there's times and places where that rule, again, not for all time, not as a pattern, not as a majority, there's a time where that could be appropriate.
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I'm not saying we all necessarily agree with that, but there are good reform men that have said there could be situations.
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Actually, Calvin, on that specific point, added two things.
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he said um there are times in history when a woman is so exceptional that it's not the populace or
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the people or social convention elevating her to a natural role it's god himself by putting such an
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exceptional stamp on her elevating her in that time and place and you could maybe even say this
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was the case with deborah he also said and this is why it's important to know core principles he
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He said, okay, you've got a woman who has, by hereditary title, attained the position of the queen.
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And you have the biblical mandate of rulers are supposed to provide for a peaceful and orderly society.
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So he said, well, we could be dogmatic, I'm paraphrasing here,
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and if a woman comes to be queen, we overthrow her and we upset the entire nation.
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Or we could apply the biblical principle of orderly, peaceful, prosperous rule and say,
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Okay, for a time, the more fundamental principle of it's better for people to be orderly and
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peaceful and have laws and have the ability to work and provide for their families, and
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in the moment, the position of woman not exercising authority, not that that position is any less
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biblical, but by God's providence, you say, do we set these at odds?
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Do we throw the entire nation into chaos and depose the queen and start a civil war?
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You carry on in a Christian society, the peaceful ordering of society, and you pray and you hope
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and you work towards God elevating a man back into that position.
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And then Zachary Garris, this is from his excellent book, Honor Thy Fathers, from New Christendom Press.
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Buitis differed from Knox, that's John Knox we listen to in the cold open.
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While he thought that magistrates and monarchs should ordinarily be men,
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He did not consider female rulers to be an absolute, like you're getting at Michael, absolute violation of scripture or nature.
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Thus, he agreed with Calvin and Bollinger that women should not ordinarily serve as civil rulers, but he did not go so far as Knox and Goodman in opposing them outright.
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So to the point, home and the church, there is just no space at all to argue that there would ever be a time that a wife would be head of the home over her husband or that a woman would serve as pastor.
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has assumed some sort of legal responsibility,
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She's still trying to be submissive to her husband, but her husband for maybe years is in this position.
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And so she's having to exercise some degree of an unnatural authority while doing her best to be a picture of godly femininity.
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That's what we're saying with the queen coming into power.
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Not lead in war, for example, and war to step down to a general, for instance.
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But again, we have to be careful not to make the exception of the principle.
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I think we, I'm with you guys, maybe in a timeless sense, but in terms of right now.
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And when I say we, I'm not just talking about America.
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I'm talking about, I'm talking about complementarians and reformed churches.
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i'm talking about uh male elders in their galvanist churches they have proven that they um that they
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can't do this it's because it's kind of like it's instead of uh yeah the lord sovereign sovereignly
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and occasionally does these things by his providence and it's rare and you know right
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um instead we've had this mentality i feel like for decades it's like come one come all yep right
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so like and and so now it's and and everybody would say oh but we're still complementarian
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believe in male headship we don't have any female elders we don't have a woman uh preach the sermon
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she does the announcements and it's also a woman who's singing as the worship leader and it's also
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like so you know a woman who's doing our child care because we don't let our kids come to church
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we send them to a separate you know christian child care daycare thing instead of church so
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our kids you know they go all the way until they're 12 years old not only without taking
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the lord's supper but without even seeing the lord's supper ever administered so that you know
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we have a female, you know, we have women who are leading the kids in a separate place that's
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not even church. And then we have women who are leading the worship, women who are doing the
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announcements and women who are doing the scripture reading. But a man preaches and none of the women
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are elders by title. Now, of course they are. They're the shadow elders, right? So all those
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men who are holding the office of elder, they go home, they talk to their wives, their wives don't
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like it. The wives, you know, say, well, I don't like it. And then the elders come back and they
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make a different decision that pleases their wives, you know, so, you know, but you do all that
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and it's enough it's just barely enough to say yeah we hold to male headship in the church and
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then in the home right and what does it look like in the home well it looks like um the husband uh
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being the head of the wife in a practical level what that looks like is when we disagree um
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we go with the husband no when we disagree we pause and we pray and then if we still can't
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agree then we go to the elders who will typically agree with the wife and go usurp the husband's
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authority because that's what complementarian elders tend to do um and then even if the elders
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in a rare occasion say you know what this is by golly this is just an absolute tie you know and
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you could go either way um then and only then then the husband's headship comes into play and that
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you know in a healthy marriage that's an occurrence um well what he does is he defers to the wife
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because he's a servant leader right and then he comes into play and he goes what she wants and
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it goes with what she wants anyways because yeah servant leader um so so my point is you know i was
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about to say i'm you know i'm being um i'm being silly but i'm not that is actually how it happens
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both in the church and in the home in complementarian reform churches it is how it happens
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um but the point is most of the reform guys today would say we are you know male headship and then
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you know in the church in the home and i just expressed what that actually looks like it looks
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like no male headship at all but then over here out this isn't church and this isn't home so like
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this woman who's you know doing it's a ministry sure you know but it's it's not the church you
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know or it's this over here but it's not the church or it's that over there and we just don't
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say anything you know like it's just like oh it's free game because it's it's technically not in the
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house and it's technically not in the church um you know so it's she's running for political
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office or she's starting a podcast or she's speaking at a conference but it's not church
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you know like she's doing this she's doing that um so i i guess i the re i agree with the quotes
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that you guys read i know i know that you know i've heard that before the distinction i read
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zach's book and you know the distinction between like cal a john calvin and john knox but i think
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would they've been in one of those moments where um like if you know like i just think that's what
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good rulers do so like if you know that your citizens that um there's like a widespread
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epidemic that your citizens are just notorious for um thievery and they're just constantly robbing
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and mugging people and this and that then um you just you crack down for a while you know and then
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you get that high trust society that allows for some exceptions but um or just like you know that
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that's a civil example but like a parental in the home example it's like if one of your children has
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proven to not be trustworthy again and again and again then they just don't get some of the
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liberties that maybe another child might because they've proven that they can't they're not
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responsible enough to maintain those and i would just say that america as a nation and not uh
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america including the church but america and especially the evangelical church and especially
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especially especially the calvinist reformed evangelical church has proven we have literally
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yelled at god and said we do not agree with male headship and we cannot do it and we will not do
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it and so i think if you're living in a generation like that then i'm gonna go with i gotta go with
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my scottish boy john knox love it and just say no exceptions i'm sorry hey you know it is with
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great displeasure that i must i must announce to you that under christian nationalism at least for
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the next 50 years in all western countries there will be no female leadership ever in any sphere
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of human society whatsoever completely agree we do this in all areas i'm a teacher and i have a
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policy where if you're willing to do some extra work i'm going to reward that and i'm going to
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let you redo a homework assignment or something like that right but i found a couple months ago
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that it seemed like students were just not doing the homework and then wanting to redo it so i said
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guys the privilege is off the table amen like i'm not giving this sort of exception anymore like we
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we just we we all do this in almost every area of life and the quotes that we said notwithstanding
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we're just trying to be balanced historically but like we are in a time i'm glad you guys
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shared that we are we are in a time where sadly we cannot have those things we can't have nice
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things can't have nice things because the kids keep running around breaking them that's why
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you bring that christian nationalism that's right eventually we could have those nice things that's
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right but you lost it yep you lost the aristocratic south was great yep and it got destroyed that's
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right you know and eventually yep that's right and eventually you know like that because that's
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the thing because people think well the proverbs 31 woman yeah that's in the household like she had
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a lot of she had a lot of power she did like she's commanding servants and i have no doubt that some
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of those servants were probably men right sure she has female servants and male servants she's
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looking over fields and she's looking over you know inside the house and she's also making
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investments with her husband's money i might add so where does she get the money it's her husband's
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money he's the one who's bringing in capital but then she's saying oh i've considered this field
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i'm going to buy that one she's trading she's overseeing she's doing all these things she's
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industrious is what i'm saying she's industrious but she's not boss babe hear me roar outside of
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the home leaving the family she's industrious from from the position of the home not leaving
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the home to be industrious for another man she she does work but she works instead of outside
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the home for the man she works inside the home for her man yeah that's the difference but she
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works and as as a worker she's a manager and she's a man she has workers under her and she's
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exercising power she's spending capital she's making investments she's doing all those kinds
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of things but but we can't do that right now we are just simply not we're too feminist uh if we
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if we give an inch um the complementarians the complementarians will take a mile right and the
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egalitarians will also take a mile because corporate needs you to see the difference
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between these two pictures and it's the same picture egalitarian so that kind of ad answers
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josh roha had two good questions he asked is there anything wrong with her pursuing some business
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venture like baking really anything where she's a small business owner no nothing principally wrong
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with that we can go to his first question another really good one michael i definitely want to hear
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from you on this where should a young woman's energy and focus be spent while she is waiting
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for marriage education question mark industry question mark where should it be yeah i think
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that there are some skills and training that will set her up to be a more godly more effective and
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more productive wife and mother and she should be working on gaining those skills and training
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obviously parents have a large role in helping a woman find a spouse but as one of the other
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commenters said it's hard right now finding sometimes a based qualified spouse and so there
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might be a period where a young woman is still under her father's authority but she might you
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know, she's not maybe in high school anymore. What she should be doing, just sitting around
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twiddling her thumbs. No, of course not. Right. Um, she should be gaining practical skills that
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are going to, and for the record, like I'm not even necessarily opposed to a woman, to a woman
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getting some sort of degree that would help with that is she gets, um, my, uh, I know people who
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have been helped by a woman in a church, single woman, um, who has a marketing degree, right?
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Her father's business has profited greatly from the fact that she actually knows something
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And if she gets married and her husband is a business owner, that's a skill that's going
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That doesn't mean she is out working in a marketing company.
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So all that to say is she should be gaining skills.
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she should be investing not because we we fall into the other trap too where we say well all
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she can do is spiritual things well we live in a tangible world pray and babysit yep yep and that
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and that's great like like my daughter does a lot of babysitting right now um in some ways she's not
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ready to be a mom she's she's only 16 but in many ways because of how my wife has invested in her
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and what she has chosen to do with her free time which is babysitting nannying um cooking things
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like that, like in some ways, as a 16-year-old, she could actually take over a household right
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now, right? There's some other areas where, you know, we're still working with her, but
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in a lot of practical ways. So don't sit around. Don't waste the time. The Lord has given you that
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time for a reason. Profit from it. Use it well. And make financial decisions that are going to
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benefit your husband. Don't get, you know, $120,000 in debt that you're going into a marriage
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with. But also, don't sit around and not develop skills. You've got to develop some skills.
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and trust that the Lord is going to cause those
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if you are a woman who does want to get married,
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it's actually going to be meticulously organized
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she's going to be heading up uh this event and uh right now we are um we're pretty much full
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with the guys but um we will have to cancel it if we don't get enough girls um i think
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it's rough right now it's like it's um we've kind of capped it at like four we need 40 guys
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and 40 girls we've got 40 guys and i think quite as many have like what okay it's 20 now we have
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20 and 20 oh 20 and 20 okay so 40 overall so we currently have 20 guys but we have like three
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girls which is that's why i tweeted out the other day ecclesiastes right like uh among a thousand
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one upright man but i did not find one upright woman among them all um it's like it's hard guys
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i i get it like i hear women from times like it's so hard to find a good christian man
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i've told friends i'm like i'm so thankful i'm not dating right now right yeah it is hard to
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find a good christian man harder to find a good christian girl yeah that's been my experience um
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yeah i you know so uh we need some women anyways that's the point we've got 20 guys who already
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signed up so we're full on the guys uh we've got like three or four five tops uh so we need like
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15 godly single women to sign up uh go to right response conference it's it's a part of our
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conference but you have to register separately right response conference.com scroll down you
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register for the conference and then go ahead and register for the singles event as well i just
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wanted to say that yep interesting super chat maybe this will be the last one that we hit i'm
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gonna send nate a picture of it i actually don't know anything show it so yeah i'm excited to hear
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this from you well don't be too excited curb your enthusiasm mr pitt mr pitt ten dollar super chat
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thanks so much he said this i'd like to know what each of you every single one of us think of the
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trump themed golden goat statute at mar-a-lago and so uh the picture will probably be coming
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up in a minute it is a goat covered in hundred dollar bills that i think have trump's likeness
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on them yeah i'm gonna be honest i don't love that don't love that oh yeah you get into the
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the elites like you listen to uh martyr mage jeffrey epstein series there's some weird things
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that go on with people with a lot of money and a lot of power and uh yeah that's it's stuff like
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this that has satanic symbolism in it pizza gate like all that it's weird demonic worship um and
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then you know the birds of a feather flock together so you know there's certain things
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that just kind of come as like peas in a pot uh demon worship pedophilia
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let's not say it straight out but just just give a few last names i think no right all right
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can you sign up your daughter um i mean you know they say in trump we trust aaron perryman said
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they also say in trump we trust rather than god we trust yeah it's not good i don't love it yeah
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i don't know enough about it but from what i do know by just looking at the picture
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don't like it if i was there i would burn it that's like yeah i don't like it yeah
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the goats will all be coming down under christian nationalism we are not there yet
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we're not in christian nationalism no christian prince goat and hundred dollar bills we're getting
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there because we'll be in bitcoin not in fiat that's why um all right i think that's a good
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just for the record i i saw somebody who's like are you do you guys like are you not on board with
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bitcoin i'm on i'm on board i am so on board with we are yeah we're bitcoin we are central banking
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disrespecters yeah we are fiat disrespect yeah it's decentralized it's not fiat currency yeah
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it's we like bitcoin um all right i think that's it thank you guys so much for tuning in uh one
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put pressure on some of these gop neocons who are standing in the way of actually abolishing
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abortion so that we can see the lives of unborn children uh mercifully spared by uh by the
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again on monday uh we've got a few things in the hopper that are planned but part of the reason we
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do the live stream every monday wednesday and friday at 3 p.m central time is so that we have
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this regular space to plan things for long form content with thorough ideas that are thought out
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where you get your strong chart game you know and where you get your quotes come in every episode
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every episode but but it's also by having every monday wednesday and friday at 3 p.m central
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time it also just leaves a space um to be able to have a quick turnaround when things happen like
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this joel made the call last night last night exactly ben's eisloft and some other people
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reached out to us jacob miller who's a faithful member at our church we're like guys if you can
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we're not telling you what to do they were gracious about it but if you can right because
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an abolitionist is like if you can could you make every episode for the rest of your life
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so so they you know so ben and uh jacob you know it's like that meme where it's like the veins
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popping out of his forehead as an abolitionist uh you know waiting for the next episode
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of abolitionist rising but they but they did it the right way ben ben and jacob they were both
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like hey we we know that it doesn't always have to be about this but this one's big yeah like
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there was a real bill um that was viable i mean it could have happened and pro-lifers stood in
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the way and we've been and we've been talking about pro-lifers being a hindrance to abolishing
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abortion for a very long time but this is one of the clearest examples that might prove it
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to people to where people could see that so anyways the point is by doing the live stream
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three times a week monday wednesday friday at 3 p.m central time it allows us to have long-form
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content that wes and michael are helping to write but it also allows me to say we're going to run an
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audible and to have a quick turnaround so like guys that we love some of our closest uh friends
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in ministry like king's hall um king's hall does incredibly thorough deep dive information
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and king's hall like the order of morris and things like that like they're gonna they're
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gonna come and it's gonna be here's an awesome piece of content on this subject cold opens 55
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minutes 55 minutes and you're going to get it you know three to four weeks after um after it was in
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the news and um because that's just the nature of and there's pros and cons with that there's
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there's awesome things that come with that uh but one of the reasons we do things the way we do with
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having a a three time a week live stream is so that we can um so that we can have a quick turnaround
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a sense of urgency and hit things fast so next week if something crazy happens we're going to
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try to hit it and to the listeners um follow us follow us on x that's probably the quickest way
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um follow us on x and tag us and say joel can you do an episode on this or could this be just
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at least a segment of an episode um like this thing's happening right now in politics or in
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culture or in the sbc or in the pca or whatever it is um let us know and we will see when you tag
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when you when you tag us etc yep so all right that's it uh we hope to see you guys again uh on