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00:21:34.320Now, you can say, okay, but if they quit it tomorrow, imagine tomorrow you get out all the junky, sugary drinks.
00:21:39.140You get out all the sugar, all the fatty foods, all of that.
00:21:42.100Well, it'll all go back to normal, right?
00:21:43.880Well, Scripture does speak about, and I want to be careful because the iniquity in this case really is in some ways in the U.S. government.
00:21:49.580the iniquity of the father is visited on the children to the third and the fourth generation
00:21:54.900like the bible says that yeah and now god shows faithful love to the thousandth generation of
00:22:01.560those that love him and keep his commandments but there are effects that just they don't go away
00:22:06.500diabetes is up to 70 percent heritable that means in a given group of people if you took 100 people
00:22:13.720and how many of them got diabetes the the difference between well they all eat the same
00:22:18.300diet and they'll exercise the same the difference 70 of it could be attributed to genetics now i'm
00:22:25.100going to get into the genetic exactly here but you have to understand this there are thousands
00:22:29.640thousands of children today native american indian children that have type 2 diabetes and as i'm
00:22:35.480about to show it comes from uh that high sugary diet which led to a genetic change methylation
00:22:39.980all of that that are really suffering right now today because of a government subsidy of a bad
00:22:44.680food program and a bad diet like real people with with high medical bills lower quality of life
00:22:51.940lower length of life they're going to live less long and the point is even if they had a perfect0.82
00:22:56.560diet today it wouldn't all go away and it wouldn't all go away tomorrow in 10 years in 20 years
00:23:01.720it would last i i don't want to make a scientific judgment that every single one there's some
00:23:06.940arbitrary cut off at the 40 to 60 year mark well three to four generations it would take for this
00:23:12.300people group in whole to be affected like kind of what the bible says crazy i was like what the
00:23:18.320bible says three or four generations yeah anything else to add gentlemen before i get into how
00:23:22.540nope all right what's real quick what's the name of russianese uh book where the whole thing is a
00:23:29.680case study of the reservation oh yeah the uh indian reservations i'm trying to remember i was going
00:23:35.340off the lectures if you can find that i just want to be able to recommend it to the listeners you
00:23:39.040can be looking as west goes on but there's a whole book that uh rushed and he wrote because
00:23:43.240he worked his he worked on the reservation for a lot of his personal work yeah yeah so yeah that
00:23:48.620and uh man they were a people that were destroyed like alcoholism he said it was uh there was a
00:23:54.320fourth grade boy that was pulled in front of the court for disorderly drunkenness wow and he was
00:23:58.460like well i've just been drunk my whole life like that is the destructive effect and my point is
00:24:03.540this is not surface level culture this is not well it's habits and it's values and this that
00:24:08.200or the other that can be very easily swapped out one for another no there's a propensity right now
00:24:12.860at the genetic level in this people towards it's called the american indian published by rj rush
00:24:18.780juni the american indian by rush juni rj rush juni genetic propensity towards that then also
00:24:24.700so you could say like well there's tons of people that have worshipped demons for thousands of years
00:24:28.420i thought it was only the third and fourth generation well if that sin is repeated again
00:24:31.780and again through the centuries right then that iniquity has continued to be visited yeah i'm
00:24:37.080going to show you how this actually works. Again, because I want you to see it. I want you to see
00:24:41.960the complexity that God's made. So Nate, you can pull up. This will be the next graph. It was already
00:24:45.440on the TV behind us. Transcription-like factor two. So I talked about transcription. You go from
00:24:52.300the DNA to the RNA, from the RNA to the protein. So transcription-like factor two is one of the
00:24:56.960biggest alleles for risk for type 2 diabetes. So it encodes a transcription factor involved in
00:25:02.140signaling that's crucial for your pancreatic beta cell proliferation. So your pancreas is where
00:25:07.420insulin is made and it's necessary to have these beta cells that then grow and multiply and secrete
00:25:13.140insulin. So your TF7L2 transcription factor 7 like 2 makes insulin. DNA methylation, the addition of
00:25:22.180methyl groups to DNA to turn these things off. DNA methylation, CPG, there's four different amino
00:25:30.140acids that DNA is made of. A, T, C, and G are their abbreviations. So cysteine preceding guinine
00:25:35.780sites. And the TCF7-2 promoter can alter its transcription impacting glucose homeostasis.
00:25:42.820So I've listed here, you see on the right, what are some lifestyle factors that affect
00:25:46.700turning off this gene that when it turns off leads to a propensity to diabetes? A high calorie diet,
00:25:53.640too much fat and calories adds chemical tags to TCF7-L2 turning it off in the pancreas.
00:25:59.180This reduces insulin production, making blood sugar control worse. Fasting can remove them.
00:26:05.700So then if you have calorie restriction and you fast and you just practice not being gluttonous,
00:26:11.300those tags can be turned off and this transcription factor turned back on. Then your insulin works
00:26:15.960better, lowers your blood sugar. Pregnancy and baby's future health. If a mother eats too much
00:26:19.660sugar or fat while pregnant, it can permanently alter her baby's genes. That some of these can
00:26:24.140truly be turned off for life. So you have this thing that helps make insulin, which helps regulate
00:26:30.180your glucose. You can eat a diet that is high in sucrose, high or high in glucose, that suppresses
00:26:35.920its transcription, and you have less insulin in the body. Go to the next graph, Nate.
00:26:41.440And then this is the ultimate result. So you eat this diet high in sugar, you have less insulin,
00:26:47.320and that increases your diabetes risk you develop insulin sensitivity and this tcf7 l2
00:26:54.780is a genetic risk factor that is one of the most predominant ones and is brought about by high
00:26:59.860sugary diet and in this group of people it is very common many many many of them have it it gives
00:27:05.340them a predisposition which is not a sentence so it's not as though you have this you will develop
00:27:10.260diabetes right but you will have the risk for it and you could eat a diet better than someone else
00:27:14.360who doesn't have this and still develop it while they don't and all that to say these are the
00:27:20.700practical means that god accomplishes it it's complicated we wouldn't know this without decades
00:27:24.900and decades of research and understanding looking at the body we now understand that you can turn
00:27:29.420off the thing that helps you regulate sugar by eating a bad high sugar diet right it's like you
00:27:35.280almost like break it like it's supposed to regulate sugar to a degree but if you overload it it just
00:27:41.340collapses exactly there's a relevant question because it wouldn't make sense to answer it
00:27:45.440later james says all fats west or just trans fats um like grass-fed butter like there's some things
00:27:53.540that are good for you right yes you're you're saturated fats and you're polyunsaturated fats
00:27:57.720i'm bullish on both of them i'm negative on the cholesterol theory of high blood pressure and
00:28:02.300everything um the biggest thing is what's surrounding those fats stacy would agree with
00:28:06.360you he absolutely would um what's surrounding those fats so you're eating a high fat diet
00:28:10.800but it's a high fat of deep fried things or is a high fat that's generally healthy so i wouldn't
00:28:15.640worry too much about the trans line on your you need to be worried about trans in general the
00:28:20.420trans line on your on your nutrition label uh i wouldn't worry about that so much as what is my
00:28:26.220sugar looking like what is my protein looking like what's high in protein low in sugar high
00:28:30.320in trans fat don't worry about it all right i have one anecdote to add there wes you said that
00:28:37.040We understand this now through medicine and medical research.
00:28:42.840But what's amazing is people have, I think, either instinctively or just through process of trial and error, understood this for a long time.
00:28:52.280I know, for instance, that when we were missionaries in Taiwan, Taiwanese women have a very regimented diet for the first three months after they give birth.1.00
00:34:43.780Taken together, Nate, you can show this quote on the screen.
00:34:46.360Taken together, all epigenetic evidence paints DNA as a far more dynamic and intelligent mechanism of adaptation that has been generally appreciated.
00:34:56.100In effect, DNA seems capable of collecting information through the language of food about the changing conditions in the outside world, enacting alteration based on that information, and documenting, keeping record of, both the collected data and its response for the benefit of subsequent generations.
00:35:13.160junk dna is full of genetic treasure it may function as a kind of ever-expanding library
00:35:18.860complete with its own insightful librarian capable of researching previously written volumes of
00:35:24.180successful and unsuccessful genetic adaptation strategies it follows that more complex organisms
00:35:30.720like human beings with larger cells whose genomes represent a more complex evolutionary
00:35:35.440history would carry relatively more substantial libraries filled with more
00:35:41.660junk DNA. And what she's saying is that junk DNA is in many ways a reference library that's not
00:35:46.640currently in use. They'd be filled with more of this DNA and we do know that. That DNA, we don't
00:35:52.560understand how, but it would appear to have some level of an understanding like, oh, we've seen
00:35:58.000this before or we know what this does. There's an incredible study in pigs. And so she talks about
00:36:02.860this in the book. They took pigs and they deprived them of vitamin A. And vitamin A is a byproduct
00:36:07.460of photosynthesis which gets down to the plants and deprived of vitamin a in utero pregnant pigs
00:36:12.160gave birth to pigs that had no eyes like okay so we knocked out vitamin a they just don't develop
00:36:16.820eyes well if there's no sun to go to the plant to produce vitamin a why would the pigs need eyes
00:36:23.620they still had lids they still had everything but would appear at some level there are mechanisms
00:36:27.480within the dna itself to say sunlight might not be hitting plants and photosynthesis and creating
00:36:32.700these vitamins, we don't actually need these anymore. And so we do all this and it's like,
00:36:37.880wow, we understand. It's all cool. Yeah. And there's an iceberg of things we actually still
00:36:42.480don't understand. I'm going to get into a more controversial one. And this one is because it
00:36:46.800deals with morality. The last one, diabetes and junk food, like that one's more of an affliction,
00:36:52.220right? You're afflicted with diabetes. I have this. It requires time, insulin, needles, all of
00:36:56.560that. But it's not necessarily a propensity to a certain moral action unless we get into kind of
00:37:01.000gluttony, but there's different ways of parsing that out. But I'm going to get into one that's
00:37:04.980moral. And again, the verses in the Bible, faithfulness to a thousand generations of
00:37:10.360those that love me, and they keep my commandments. What are the commandments?
00:37:14.780In the cold open, I just wanted to real quick point that out. That verse, and that's why we
00:37:19.460included it in the cold open today, but it's not just, God will be faithful to a thousand
00:37:23.900generations of Christians, but included in that, just like the Great Commission, right?
00:37:29.140Like it's, you know, going and making disciples and baptizing them into the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit and teaching them to obey, teaching them being nations, peoples to obey all my commandments.
00:37:41.320And so too, in this promise that we have, that God would promise to be faithful to the righteous and to a thousand generations of those who love him and obey his commandments.
00:50:18.600Low levels, so less nurturing, less care, less provision for these little youth in these
00:50:24.620prairie voles, leads to, we've been talking about this whole episode, DNA methylation
00:50:29.560at specific regulatory sites in the oxytocin receptor gene, OXTR, impacting gene expression
00:50:36.620and protein distribution in the nucleus accumbens, that's a brain region.
00:50:41.300These results identify a mechanism by which early care regulates later displays of typical
00:50:46.540prairie vole social behavior and suggest the potential for nurture-driven epigenetic tuning
00:50:53.540of OXTR in humans. So the reason you can use voles and mice and all these different things,
00:50:59.640when they have the same regions and structures and all of this as humans, you can do something
00:51:03.380in a mouse, you can observe an effect and say, we anticipate, obviously you're not going to kill a
00:51:07.220human being, look at their brain and replicate it. You can say, we anticipate this would be
00:51:11.220replicated in humans but don't miss what this study is saying little voles the little babies
00:51:17.020and those that received less care had these receptors and these genes that mediate them
00:51:22.700later on as adults as moms and dads this bonding this social behavior this emotional regulation
00:51:27.800all of that those who didn't get that early care early on their dna itself methylation methyl group
00:51:34.260turned that off turned that off turned down that gene expression so then later on in life
00:51:39.020they experienced lower levels of that ability to do what voles do but the behavior that it was
00:51:45.320tied to was not abstract and it wasn't chemical or molecular it was nurturing behavior it was
00:51:51.020care it was obviously they're animals they're not human beings it was love and the authors say in
00:51:56.800that study like this guys is not this is not 4chan literature this is peer-reviewed academic study
00:52:02.680we think the same thing would happen in humans we think the same gene the same mechanism the same
00:52:08.720care, love, and nurture, if deprived early on, would impact an individual later in life through
00:52:14.920the same mechanism. So you're saying with people that it's possible, maybe even likely, that if you
00:52:22.200had not just one generation, but I assume it would only compound if you had like three generations
00:52:27.820or four generations of a loving mother, ideally if she's able to, like my wife was not able to
00:52:35.300breastfeed. And we're on our fifth child now, a little baby, Mabel, who's doing great. She's
00:52:41.220about three months old now. And she's our first child that my wife, Megan, has been able to
00:52:45.460breastfeed. And with each child, she was able to produce a little bit more milk, which is amazing.
00:52:51.300And I think that's happened naturally with her body, but all of it is the work of God and the
00:52:55.240way that He's designed her. It's like each child, it's like training her body to do that.
00:53:01.340But anyways, my point is, if you had like three generations of a nurturing mother, stay-at-home mother, especially in the early years of life, and if she's able to, I'm not saying that it would just be intentionally by design.
00:53:15.900I understand my own wife wasn't able to breastfeed, but for those who can, she chooses to breastfeed and all those things.
00:53:22.560and um a father i would imagine mother would be more integral but the father for those later years
00:53:28.680as the child starts to develop if he's also in the home um and providing and and doesn't abandon
00:53:33.980the marriage and abandon the child and that happens consecutively for three generations
00:53:37.880um we would say on the spiritual side that's discipleship um and but then we would say that
00:53:46.840Like, God created a world that's so incredible and so magical.
00:53:50.540I mean, he made a magical world, right?
00:53:52.620It's like, oh, well, that's just science.
00:55:17.620There's a mind that's at work, you know, and firing and making logical conclusions and all these different things.
00:55:23.860And so we're just saying the same thing, not so much with soteriology, salvation, but when it comes to nurture and discipleship and these kinds of things that with three generations of good, natural love and nurturing for a child with a mother and a father, I would imagine that would be all the better.
00:55:41.360to do that consecutively, and then to do that even to a greater degree with not just being
00:55:48.440natural love, but Christian love, which wouldn't be against natural love, but just even heightened,
00:55:54.340you know, grace restores and elevates nature. And to do that with three generations, we would say
00:55:59.160that spiritually speaking, by the time you get to that third or fourth generation, they've been
00:56:04.480well-shaped and discipled. But you can also say that the human, you know, the physical,
00:56:10.540biological means at play within you know the larger macro picture of what god has established
00:56:15.920is that it actually is even making even making them biologically physically with a higher
00:56:22.680propensity with with a greater inclination towards doing the same now for their own children for their
00:56:28.220own offspring to be loving and caring and present and nurturing um whereas if you have the reverse
00:56:34.460i'm just spitballing here doesn't sound that crazy but if you have multiple consecutive
00:56:38.540generations where the father leaves or is in jail right you know and and maybe the mother
00:56:46.040is there but but it's it's one parent home you know or maybe the mother isn't as an attentive
00:56:51.560or these kinds of things that um that you're saying that that that's not just a spiritual
00:56:57.320component but the spiritual component is is ultimate but that there's a physical component
00:57:02.800and deficiencies that would compound over time
00:57:10.400that would set that person generations down the road
00:57:21.160So Alex asked two questions that directly relate to this.
00:57:24.200I'm talking about moles, voles, and mice.
00:57:26.820So people are like animals, Alex asks.
00:57:29.040How can someone be nurturing if God made them not to be nurturing?
00:57:31.920and that is some of the thorny question of this yeah the caution i do want to say and i'll go back
00:57:36.580to the animals comment is none of this should be taken as a as a mechanical problem my mom was was
00:57:43.540absent therefore i'm doomed i'm faded mechanics just i i just i won't be able to to commit to
00:57:50.220my woman to show nurture love all these different things that's not what's going on you don't know
00:57:55.040how her mom what she maybe gave to gave to your mom which then passed down so the genetic level
00:58:00.640nothing is for sure because our human genome, our DNA, yours especially, you don't know what
00:58:08.120sites are methylated. We don't know that. And it's good that we don't know that. God made it that we
00:58:12.380don't know that. So none of us are able to say, well, I'm sure X happened or I have this genetic
00:58:17.020this, that, or the other, and that's why I disobey or that's why I do what I do. You just simply
00:58:21.380don't have that excuse. And then even there are people that defy the odds. So someone could come
00:58:25.880from a long line and it does happen of bad parenting and an abusive home that didn't show
00:58:31.040love and they say i'm not going to be like that it stops with me it stops with me it ends with us
00:58:36.440and they turn it around if they turn it around you know five generations from them their great
00:58:41.040great grandchildren would would be better than them but but they would still merit um a a great
00:58:47.740degree of credit and respect and honor because they're the ones that that changed the sequence
00:58:52.300that changed the time exactly and that does happen that's the thing people are addicts people are
00:58:56.940violent people and someone says be it the gospel whatever way it's done with me and then they build
00:59:02.060something new and that faithfulness god blesses at the genetic level to where a couple generations
00:59:07.820down they're not inheriting what was given to them right that does happen right in god's sovereignty
00:59:13.900my personal story is is somewhat in this line uh that um for those who don't know you know when
00:59:19.980eric khan got in big trouble sometime last year uh for his uh infamous uh adoption tweet well eric
00:59:29.080the the reason he did that was believe it or not he wasn't just trying to be an edgelord and get
00:59:34.300under everyone's skin you can always word something different as well i wouldn't have said it like
00:59:40.580that i've never heard anybody say anything that i didn't think i would have said it differently
00:59:44.440so okay you won't say it like that fine um but but was what was behind the scenes because i i
00:59:51.120talked to him about it uh was you know multiple families that he's close to that had adopted
00:59:57.680and uh and in many of these cases adopted older children through the foster foster
01:00:02.780um foster care system and then you know god opened their wombs and they had um biological children
01:00:09.980uh later on and had um obviously not gonna be completely inappropriate to share names
01:00:15.940and i'm not gonna go into details with the situation but i'll i'll just say in a general
01:00:20.800sense um some pretty pretty alarming and terrible tragic things um done to the biological children
01:00:29.460who ended up being younger by the foster adopted child who was older and especially these children
01:00:37.320coming from broken homes that their parents came from broken homes that their parents came from
01:00:42.320and um yeah i'll leave it there i could i could be more detailed so that was kind of the behind
01:00:48.660the scenes was in a lot of these families they're all christian families because it's let's just be
01:00:52.700honest it's christians for the most part that that are willing to adopt and and serve in the foster
01:00:58.160care system all these kinds of things and so these were christian parents who love both their
01:01:02.940biological and adoptive children both are their children and yet had talked to eric as a pastor
01:01:08.600about some of those challenges and eric had was privy to you know just knowing about some of them
01:01:14.260and then even pastorally dealt with some of them and um and then from myself for my own story
01:01:20.240so i defended eric one because he's my friend and i thought he was right i wouldn't just defend him
01:01:25.240because he's my friend but that helps when you have a relationship with someone i also thought
01:01:28.700he was right um and i knew some of the behind the scenes experience um that was informing that tweet
01:01:35.200and then i also know my own personal set of circumstances so i i was fine defending that
01:01:41.600that tweet because i'm adopted you know maybe a lot of our listeners don't know that but i
01:01:46.400i was adopted um my biological parents especially my father um was a deadbeat you know he was just
01:01:56.740you know he was a loser and um and you know and and he probably would have i i don't know i don't
01:02:05.180know i don't know what he would have done um but i know he abandoned my my birth mother and um and0.98
01:02:10.920so i wouldn't be surprised if he would have been fine with her getting an abortion praise god my
01:02:16.360biological mother did not um opt for having an abortion and she actually she you know and now
01:02:23.120she was charismatic um like like most christians in america um you know more pentecostal but she
01:02:28.520was a christian and um and she was older and she had health problems um i think she was almost 40
01:02:34.840years old um when she gave birth to me and she was poor and didn't have a husband and and my0.79
01:02:42.040biological father was you know hit and run he's out of the picture and so she was like i i can't
01:02:47.060do this and so she decided to put me up for adoption and um and for the few days that she
01:02:52.360had me. She had me in the hospital for a few days because I had heart complications, which I still
01:02:57.280have. And so I had to be lifelighted to Herman's Children's Hospital in Texas and all these
01:03:03.880different things to find out if I was going to be okay and running tests and doing some different
01:03:09.840things. And so she was with me in the hospital and nursing me during that time. And she wanted
01:03:15.160to call me something. So she called me Samuel. And that's why I said like a little charismatic,
01:03:19.560But like in her mind, she was thinking like Samuel, you know, Hannah says, you know, God, if you open my womb, give me a son, I'll give my first child to you, you know, to the house of the Lord, the temple with Eli, the priest.
01:03:32.960And so she wanted to give me up to adoption, but to Christians and particularly a pastor.
01:19:45.400ethnicity habit location like all these different things race is is truly biology what was passed
01:19:51.600down what is prevalent hold up so you're saying um you weren't saying uh ethnicity is one of the
01:19:56.400components you were saying you were giving two different categories so race is biology and then
01:20:01.220you're saying ethnicity is just the layer on top of it that then how is that expressed how is that
01:20:07.600modified that genetic milieu and then there's a lot of so so going back to what i was saying there's
01:20:11.440a lot of modern guys so vodibachum is a great example um i i love vodibachum so i have not not
01:20:17.760not a single negative thing to say but i think what he would say is he'd say there's only one
01:20:21.340race but there are multiple ethnicities what you're saying is no there are multiple races
01:20:25.700and multiple ethnicities to calvin's point different branches different groups but
01:20:31.440vodibachum by race there he means species yes which there is only one species right and that's
01:20:37.880and that's my point i think i think the term is difficult because it means so many things
01:20:42.700because all of us all of us are different races we don't need to i don't think we need to invent
01:20:47.320a new term but we just need to define our terms this is what the problem is the term has been
01:20:51.660defined in culture differently than what we're necessarily saying now and so it's like when you
01:20:56.460say i was west one of the first you don't know this i've never i've never told you it's one of
01:21:00.580the first conversations that you and i had you said yeah i'm leaning more old earth and i went
01:21:06.720away thinking like i didn't know that i don't like that at all and then i came back and i talked to
01:21:10.960you and you were like yeah i think it's more like maybe 8 000 and not four to six thousand i was
01:21:15.540speaking of an extended pre-noaa flood either way either way the point was like in popularly defined
01:21:22.640old earth means billions and billions of years yes right so we have to acknowledge that when we
01:21:29.060say race even if we define it that's not what everybody hears this is my point yep exactly but
01:21:35.120someone mentioned the jews and i'll add this in there as another example uh there's a group of
01:21:41.760people called the ashkenazi jews that claim to be the origins of the people that obviously god
01:21:45.960blessed there's some of the highest rates of schizophrenia because of a genetic malfunction
01:21:49.740in the dst gene which leads towards schizophrenic symptoms which include mental disorders difficulty
01:21:56.140understanding reality like it's kind of an ironic like a people claim to be these who are
01:22:01.340objectively not that they have higher rates of mental illness like talking about how dna and
01:22:07.360that one's going to get clipped by right wing watch but but objectively the clinical literature
01:22:11.980shows there's a group of distinct people that have these higher rates and so it's not just like
01:22:17.360like you guys found the two examples of diet in this side or the other no it's because all
01:22:21.840different people we can give multiple examples exactly yeah that and i think that is a good
01:22:25.320example because you're talking about a group of people who um now the argument that you made and
01:22:30.180i understand that that is technically my position and for anybody who wants you know that has to be
01:22:34.200fleshed out thoroughly and i could one i could be wrong two uh see my published work and when i say
01:22:40.520published work i don't mean uh peer-reviewed articles because i i just i'm not that guy
01:22:44.820but i do have a nine-part you know podcast series with andrew isker on um israel and who are these
01:22:51.480people how should we think about them what does the bible say and all and basically um our position
01:22:56.600is that Romans 11 was ultimately fulfilled in AD 70, that it's not that God didn't keep his
01:23:01.120promises, but there was a great spiritual revival. A bunch of people did come to faith in Jesus
01:23:05.180among that generation that Jesus was actually speaking to in Matthew 24, 40 years later,
01:23:10.460many of them still living with the destruction of the temple in Jerusalem and all these kinds
01:23:15.080of things from Titus coming in, who later became emperor, that many people saw that. They saw Jesus
01:23:19.780coming on the clouds, clouds signifying judgment like Joel 2, Isaiah. And so they saw that as
01:23:24.720judgment language, not heavenly pretty clouds. And they realized, oh man, Jesus literally said not
01:23:29.360one stone in the temple would stand on another. This is a fulfillment of the prophecies. We
01:23:33.400crucified the son of God. He was right. We were wrong. And many actually did repent. And so God's1.00
01:23:38.340promise was not neglected. It actually was fulfilled, but it was fulfilled 1950 years ago.
01:23:43.680And it's not a future promise today. So no future land promises and also not a future spiritual
01:23:48.100revival. So then the question of course becomes, well, then who are these people? I don't think
01:23:52.340that we need to this is back to michael's point like you can't just invent a new word when the
01:23:57.000whole culture already you know so i'm not advocating for um that country over in the
01:24:01.020middle east we should call it something besides israel right that's just not going to happen
01:24:04.280that's just that would like i would devote my life to a an endless fruitless battle of trying0.64
01:24:09.320to change the name like that's just it's just dumb so for all intents and purposes they are
01:24:13.680the jews i would just like to maintain uh whenever i'm able to clarify and define my terms um these0.59
01:24:18.920are not the israelites of the bible of antiquity right um these are a a new people called the jews
01:24:25.160and and not new in the sense that they just sprung up you know in the last 50 years like
01:24:29.080there are centuries um but here's the deal all the way back to what you said wes um if i'm right
01:24:35.440about that um and richard baxter even um holds something so if you're wondering anybody in
01:24:41.840antiquity hold that position um it is not the lion's share it's not the lion's share it's a
01:24:46.660minority position um and i'm willing to admit that but um but guys today would be like jim you
01:24:51.840know james jordan andrew riskier myself and and and other guys on the new christian right um but
01:24:57.500then you know richard baxter would be one but with with that um if we're right then you're saying
01:25:02.980uh so a people who are trying to trying to especially like ashkenazi jews they just
01:25:09.240basically emerge about 600 or so ad in western europe or so so they'll kind of migrate north
01:25:16.080they were very isolated so they didn't intermingle with outside groups that's one of the things that
01:25:19.940can help mitigate certain genetic diseases they're in group they emerge nobody knows where about 600
01:25:25.080years after the death of christ after the end of the disbursement of the judean people they just
01:25:30.560emerge but this is a group then claiming continuity which really would probably be those that have
01:25:35.740lived in the region since before that time they claim that continuity but then on an objective
01:25:40.600level they have some of the highest rates of schizophrenia right of any people my point is
01:25:44.460if you have a people that um are defined by many things as many as all peoples different peoples
01:25:49.380are defined by much more than just one thing but there's at least two things not the only two
01:25:53.300things but at least two things one claiming an identity that may not actually be theirs
01:25:57.080and number two the identity that they're claiming they're also claiming um with their ideology and
01:26:03.240religion of judaism um they're claiming a a unique and um explicit hatred of the lord jesus christ
01:26:11.300right so if you so even if you aren't don't have the lineage actually tracking back to abraham
01:26:17.640and first century you know jews um even if that's not the case if you're claiming to have that
01:26:23.980lineage and saying you know and in some of your religious literature literally talks about jesus
01:26:28.600you know being in hell right now burning in human excrement which is a teaching of the talmud so if
01:26:34.180that's your if your people and your culture has been shaped by that religion and that ideology0.99
01:26:39.220we hate jesus he's burning in hell in excrement human excrement and also um you may not most0.99
01:26:46.840most jews wouldn't even be aware of this so it's not even conscience but but your heritage is0.99
01:26:51.460people who actually or at least possibly according according to our opinion which could be wrong but0.58
01:26:56.000actually hijacked an identity that wasn't actually theirs right and then you find out statistically
01:27:01.360you also have um a disproportionately high degree of schizophrenia and for anyone who hates this
01:27:09.020like this is just objectively in the literature like is is your legitimate position you shouldn't
01:27:13.960know that like some of these some of these things come down to like differences in iq and this side
01:27:18.140or the other it's not even like yeah this is true but we should do something different about it's
01:27:22.220you shouldn't know that i'm uncomfortable that you're even aware of that fact but like this just
01:27:27.500this is a well-known fact that has been clearly replicated it just is a reality of the world god
01:27:32.040i want to jump on there one thing before we go to our break um this this really runs into a lot
01:27:39.160of problems in health care because there are things that certain peoples are genetically
01:27:46.160predisposed to and when health care systems treat blacks exactly the same as whites yeah there's a
01:27:53.640lot of similarity but um when when they're unwilling to look at some of the genetic
01:27:59.460predispositions that generally categorize um different you know blacks or whites or asians
01:28:05.520or whatever or men and women or men and women 100 like it really runs into problems and we're0.85
01:28:13.220talking tangible real world problems simply because people have to run around like this
01:28:19.220you know that's a good point yep um let's let's do this so we want to try to get to some of the
01:28:25.560questions nathan i just uh in my peripheral i saw him the the cursor on the screen was just going
01:28:31.380wild question about epigenetics yeah so so we'll get into some of that but there's three things
01:28:36.020we need to do uh one we need to go to our last commercial break two we need to make sure that
01:28:40.340wes um is able to leave it all in the field so to speak and then three um get to some questions so
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01:31:04.300All right, we're going to get right to questions. We've got some great super chats.
01:31:07.400the final thing i want to say people hate when we talk about this topic they say it's eugenics they
01:31:12.340say it's racism like even just knowing and laying it out and being clear like hey here are the
01:31:17.220differences but but here's the deal like these predispositions diabetes schizophrenia like
01:31:23.020parabon all these different and there's many many many many many many more if you just if you don't
01:31:27.780talk about them whatsoever you remove from people the option the hope of saying and it doesn't have
01:31:33.500to be this way there are probably we have a number of viewers today some of them certainly
01:31:37.380probably have type 2 diabetes and some of them could even be native american at the end of the
01:31:41.580day you're going to have to eat healthy you're going to have to care about physical exercise
01:31:46.120now knowing this knowing the predisposition that you could have because some won't even say it like
01:31:51.180well you know everyone kind of has that risk for this we said hey this could be a risk factor these
01:31:55.840are the things you need to do and you are at higher risk and you are at higher risk this is
01:32:00.400more likely to happen to you cardiac all the time right you go in the doctors like you're at risk for
01:32:05.600cardiac disease you need to it's just whenever we want to group them into certain peoples who are
01:32:10.960more likely to have a predisposition then we start freaking out and here's the awesome thing the way
01:32:16.280god has made the world dna methylation it is not something that happens one time and it's over you
01:32:22.140get you get a certain set of genes and some are turned off they can be turned on by lifestyle
01:32:26.860have hours and hours to go through the different diet and everything like that read books go
01:32:31.100educate yourself you're here watching you have the internet you need to care about your health
01:32:35.060but they can be turned back on if they're good ones that have been turned off by how your previous
01:32:39.340generations lived and if they're bad ones they can be turned off by the way that you live and
01:32:44.540you might not do all of it right go ahead and well i love that and not just for you
01:32:49.240but it can make a difference for you a real difference for you right it can make um a
01:32:55.500compounding significantly greater difference for your children and then even greater if they
01:33:01.980continue it for your grandchildren greater childbearing right and and so but my point is
01:33:08.140that just that rocked my world it's only been about a year when i thought you know i started
01:33:13.720talking you know the last five years about you know with post-millennialism the great you know
01:33:17.900post-millennial hope and and saying you know like we want to leave first and foremost a spiritual
01:33:22.600inheritance to our children's children a good man a wise man leaves inheritance to his children's
01:33:27.000children and about you know last five years i was like yeah and also poverty gospel prosperity
01:33:31.840gospel is bad so is the poverty gospel we want to leave um in addition not as a substitute never a
01:33:37.760substitute but in addition to a spiritual inheritance nothing less than that but more
01:33:42.400than that we want to leave a monetary financial inheritance and i started talking about that over
01:33:48.340the last five years and over the last one year i started realizing you know combining some of
01:33:54.040these things west that we've been talking about today with scripture and i realized what if you
01:33:59.780can actually leave a spiritual inheritance a financial inheritance wealth and even a physical
01:34:05.820inheritance health right not that not that your offspring are going to live forever or anything
01:34:10.400like that and not that god owes it to you he's still sovereign he allows for suffering and
01:34:14.680sickness in the world your great-grandchildren you could love the lord your children love the
01:34:19.020lord your grandchildren love the lord and your great-grandchildren love the lord and one of them
01:34:22.620um is diagnosed with leukemia at two years old yeah like we're not we're not this is not the
01:34:28.280prosperity gospel we're not it's not we're not negating those things yeah it's not a guarantee
01:34:33.220but we're talking about statistics of likelihood of likelihood god's always sovereign and there
01:34:38.400will always be tragedies and exceptions but we're talking about uh going with the overall general
01:34:44.400grain. And when I realized, oh my goodness, this didn't, my point that I'm trying to make is this
01:34:49.920did not take away from my faith in the word of God. It only strengthened my resolve. It made God's
01:34:55.660word all the sweeter, all the truer, all the more authoritative to realize, whoa, what God has
01:35:01.680promised in his word is actually applicable at every level, not just in a spiritual plane in
01:35:08.980the 17th dimension but but it's it's applicable spiritually and eternally that's first and that's
01:35:15.280ultimate but also financially and also even physically uh in terms of not just wealth but
01:35:21.200also health that i that you know winston churchill you know could smoke cigars all day drink like a
01:35:29.100fish take random naps wake up play with action figures methamphetamines during the war methamphetamines
01:35:35.540during the war not sleep at night um call the war delicious and tell everyone i you know written
01:35:42.640testimonies of how much he loved it refuse all the chances of peace i mean be an absolute be an0.98
01:35:49.260absolute maniac churchill was a maniac and he could be a maniac and not not just being a warmonger0.82
01:35:54.620which he was but but in addition to that i'm saying physically in terms of his diet and his0.95
01:35:58.800health habits and die at 90 how because he was standing on the bones of the english stock the
01:36:06.080english stock of a like close to a thousand years or at least you know eight nine hundred years of
01:36:13.020of practices uh both in diet and exercise and monogamy and sanitation and all these things
01:36:19.500that were far superior at that time compared to multiple other peoples and cultures around the
01:36:26.020world and so he took an inheritance right so a wise man leaves an inheritance to his children's
01:36:30.380children and i'm saying that's spiritual first also financial also health and he um took that
01:36:36.860inheritance and chose not to give it and shut all those genes down you know by he didn't have many
01:36:42.980children did he or i don't know but i'm just saying based off of this research theoretically
01:36:47.180he would have had all the wrong habits and he would have he would have taken that inheritance
01:36:52.360And like the prodigal son, he would have lavishly spent a lot of it on, well, but I just, I want to live life to the forest and play with action figures and take naps and smoke cigars.
01:37:05.220This brings something that I thought about earlier, and now it's back, so I'm going to say it.
01:37:11.480Sometimes we look at the 90-year-old grandma.
01:37:13.420I have a, my wife has a great aunt who, she drinks like three or four Dr. Peppers a day.0.99
02:12:10.180But I guess what I would say in terms of the person that you named specifically and his ministry, and then others like him, because he is kind of a stand-in.