The NXR Podcast - THE LIVESTREAM - Yes, The Gospel Changes Genetics

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00:00:26.820 War, disease, famine, worship, prosperity, technology, diet, and exercise.

00:00:37.340 All of these things fundamentally affect who we are as individuals and as groups.

00:00:44.500 But it affects more than psychology or experience.

00:00:48.020 It affects us at a genetic level, and the impact of these events and patterns is measurable

00:00:55.580 over the course of even generations.

00:00:59.400 Because of this, how we live matters.

00:01:02.720 Living well, including eating well, living in chastity, staying active, and avoiding

00:01:08.260 toxins and their impact is not just something that will affect you, not even just your children,

00:01:15.360 but it has the potential to affect untold thousands of your future descendants.

00:01:22.700 God visits iniquity on those that hate him to the third and fourth generation,

00:01:29.020 but he shows steadfast love to the thousandth generation of those who love him,

00:01:35.120 and catch this, and keep his commandments.

00:01:40.540 Yes, this literally means that the wicked reap their reward for their iniquity in their own bodies.

00:01:48.660 Not merely their souls in the life to come, but even in their flesh.

00:01:54.080 Here and now, we see this per Romans chapter 1.

00:01:58.580 While the righteous, however, are renewed and protected for their faithfulness.

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00:02:47.740 Welcome back. Here we are. It is Wednesday afternoon. For those of you who are new to

00:02:52.300 the stream, we live stream three times a week on Monday, Wednesday, and Friday at 3 p.m. Central

00:02:58.380 time with myself, and we also have Michael Belch, and we also have Wesley Todd. Now,

00:03:04.200 today's episode, as you just saw in the cold open, is going to be dealing with some things

00:03:08.240 that are important, that we believe the Bible addresses, but that are highly controversial

00:03:13.480 for our culture today, especially within the church. We are going to address some things

00:03:19.500 that the evangelical church has said are not allowed. You're simply not allowed to go there,

00:03:25.620 kind of like Simba and Mufasa. What's that dark shadowy place over there? That's the subject of

00:03:31.700 race and you must never go there. But we are going to go there and by God's grace, we're going to do

00:03:37.360 it carefully, but we're going to do our best to do it courageously and truthfully. And we're going

00:03:43.300 to try to do it using as much of the scripture and also as much natural revelation of what we have

00:03:49.680 data as possible um this is an episode just to be frank that i would not feel comfortable doing by

00:03:56.320 myself um and so um i'm glad i'm very very relieved and grateful that i have both michael and wes with

00:04:04.800 us today uh wes has outlined this episode uh real quick you've said it in the past but if we have

00:04:10.560 new listeners just for this particular episode what are your bona fides uh there was a comment

00:04:15.680 already from classic troll and he said i guarantee none no one in this lot has an education biology

00:04:21.300 behind high school so went to columbia university for neuroscience and behavior for my undergrad

00:04:25.260 oh troll oh oh troll getting known the biology parts you the neuroscience the behavior is the

00:04:31.380 psych part and then the neuroscience is the biology part the two classes there uh dr deborah 0.91

00:04:36.360 mausiewicz she teaches them both they regarded some of the hardest biology classes in the nation

00:04:41.220 of which i did both of them so it's my undergraduate neuroscience and behavior and now i have my

00:04:45.460 master's degree master's in public health epidemiology and epidemiology for the record

00:04:49.780 is a study of diseases and traits among people groups as a whole so the micro level biology

00:04:55.640 and then the macro level i hate uh credentialism but uh if it comes down to it and i have the

00:05:01.020 credentials like paul i'll say like no i have a degree in my mind to speak like this but a lot

00:05:05.440 of little fools talk i have a degree in these things and so that's why i'm qualified to talk

00:05:08.320 about it joel joel you didn't ask me i'm gonna state mine yeah well michael you are fantastic 0.95

00:05:13.320 i think better than me i took high school biology there you go there you go so did i i even i think

00:05:19.420 i even took the uh what do they call them ap or like the the advanced class yep i think i was

00:05:25.380 right in the middle of the pack i think you're qualified to lead this one off then no no uh so

00:05:30.560 so wes um is going to be he's outlined this episode he's going to be leading out we're all

00:05:35.360 going to be pitching in we have thoughts about this i've been thinking about this for quite a

00:05:38.560 while. But Wes has done a lot of the research and the heavy lifting, and we're going to make sure

00:05:43.860 that we're looking to God's book of nature, that he's written, that he's sovereign over,

00:05:50.200 but making sure that ultimately, in this sense, I would still define myself as presuppositional.

00:05:56.220 In what sense? Because every time I disagree with someone, I just recite Romans 1. No.

00:06:03.480 Presuppositional in the sense that at the end of the day, I'm going to appeal to logic and nature

00:06:07.520 these things, but I know that these things ultimately have authority and that they are

00:06:11.860 trustworthy, incredible because of the Word of God. To me, the heart of presuppositionalism

00:06:17.900 is when you peel back behind this and this and this and this and you get to the very bottom,

00:06:23.120 what is the bottom? Is it nature or is it the inspired Word of God? And I believe it is the

00:06:28.920 Word of God. So I can look to nature and learn things that God has said through nature. But the

00:06:33.880 reason I can trust my sense perceptions and I can trust things that I see in nature as an orderly

00:06:39.620 world and not just chaotic or random is because the Bible tells me so. The Bible tells me so. So

00:06:45.700 we are going to be looking at a lot of studies and we're going to be relying on Wes's expertise

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00:08:19.260 we're ready to dive in. All right. The best way I know to illustrate this, we've talked about this

00:08:23.500 before, this is the field of epigenetics. So genetics, epi meaning above, above genetics,

00:08:28.860 what's going on that affects them. The best way I know to do this is to literally illustrate it

00:08:33.400 and to talk about real life case examples. That's what we're going to spend most of the episode

00:08:36.400 doing. But before I do that, it's necessary to just, there is a notion going around. I don't

00:08:41.800 know who said it. Oh, wait, every evangelical, that race is not real. Race comes from this idea 0.90

00:08:47.080 of a fountainhead. And when we describe race, what we're just, we're really getting at is really

00:08:52.100 just common ancestor. Now, if you could show this chart when you get back into the office, this is

00:08:56.740 the best way I know to illustrate it because it can be hard to conceptualize of streams of people

00:09:02.300 and they break off and they form new populations, new groups or whatever, and they carry on

00:09:07.180 different traits. So this is what's called a phylogenic tree. And what a phylogenic tree

00:09:12.040 could do, if you imagine the first dogs that got off Noah's Ark, imagine there was one canine,

00:09:16.440 that class of mammal canine. Well, that dog went on to break into bigger and smaller breeds.

00:09:22.100 Now, you could speak of terrier, and then you could speak of some of the smaller ones.

00:09:25.360 Those would only be two groups.

00:09:26.520 But within those two groups, there's then groups of five, six, seven, eight, nine.

00:09:29.980 And then even within terrier, within lab, within all of these different ones, there

00:09:33.880 would be then sub-differences.

00:09:35.520 And all of those would be because maybe you take a bulldog from England, and you brought

00:09:38.640 it over to America, and that then became the American bulldog.

00:09:42.220 In human beings, we have the same thing.

00:09:44.400 All human beings come from Adam.

00:09:46.800 Adam and Eve were the first man and the first woman, and all men and women come from them.

00:09:50.660 and so everything about what makes us human ultimately originated in them and we experienced

00:09:55.020 what was called a bottleneck at noah so in the story of noah as we see god floods the earth and

00:10:00.600 he wipes out all but roughly three sons their wives maybe a couple other people knowing his wife

00:10:06.520 about eight people so you have tons of genetic data and everything when you say maybe you mean

00:10:10.780 definitely eight persons in all do they have kids at the time nope that's what eight persons in all

00:10:15.420 yeah all right so first peter so you get all the way down to that amount and from then his sons

00:10:19.980 then spread out and they fill the earth. And it would look kind of something like this. So all

00:10:24.720 I've done is here illustrated. This isn't necessarily this part from a study. This is,

00:10:28.900 for example, the European phylogenic tree of the different races that would comprise Europeans.

00:10:33.460 A big one is the Germanic peoples. Then you had the Romance peoples, the Slavics. This would be

00:10:38.120 more in Eastern Europe, Celtic, all of that. And there's more that I haven't mentioned. There's

00:10:42.480 more that goes down. Of course, Europeans and Africans and Asians as big groups. But the point

00:10:46.840 is you can get as small or as big as you want this is what is tough i get why people say like

00:10:52.860 they don't like race because like what's the difference between an anglian and a saxon so

00:10:57.520 these are both english individuals that came from a germanic peoples and they resided in different

00:11:02.340 areas historically like are they different races in the same way like germans and um like russians

00:11:08.480 are like well not as much then difference from europeans and africans is even bigger

00:11:12.580 there's not necessarily like strict hard and fast rules but if we get back to the idea of that word

00:11:18.960 race fountainhead is referring to different peoples that came from different origins that

00:11:23.900 settled in different areas and formed distinct peoples now you can pull up this chart the graph

00:11:29.660 two chart games out of control this week all these little dots on here i made for the record

00:11:34.520 wow wow wow so let's imagine right here on the left you have imagine each one of these dots it's

00:11:39.980 It's talking about 10,000 people.

00:11:41.900 And this, the common ancestors,

00:11:44.560 occupied one space.

00:11:45.380 Each one of the arrows?

00:11:46.060 Each one of the arrows.

00:11:47.320 10,000 people.

00:11:48.880 Dots, arrows.

00:11:50.120 Each of these represents a large number of people.

00:11:52.720 And at one time, all of these people on the right,

00:11:55.840 which is as time goes on,

00:11:57.360 they all originated from a smaller core group.

00:11:59.900 And that smaller core group

00:12:00.880 shared a lot of the similar characteristics.

00:12:03.280 Maybe it was characteristics like height

00:12:04.860 and intelligence and skin color and all of that.

00:12:07.840 But then you had one people, as you can see there,

00:12:09.260 that maybe migrated north and they went to a different climate. And then a people down there

00:12:13.980 that maybe experienced war. And then when that war ended, these two people split off. But you

00:12:18.940 can begin to see there in the colors that differences arise. That people that once had

00:12:23.060 one set of traits on the whole, on average, no longer share them with the people that they once

00:12:28.800 did. The environment, events, things that happen, diet, this, that, or the other, change somewhat

00:12:34.300 of their composition. A great example of this, I want to illustrate it on the ground, is the

00:12:39.240 lct gene which allows adults to process lactose so normally the ability to process lactose goes

00:12:47.400 away as a child gets older and weans they just they simply don't need that milk anymore but in

00:12:52.120 especially northern european peoples it became a very advantageous trait to have so there was not

00:12:57.140 a lot of food going around but what they could do even adults who had this gene was drink cow's milk

00:13:02.040 because they'd be able to process the lactose and so now there are different groups of people in the

00:13:06.040 world some of them can process lactose i destroy about a half gallon of milk a day literally like

00:13:12.160 it's it's a great source of calories protein protein shakes all of that i can process it

00:13:16.560 other people's can't and if you and if you it's mind-boggling that people would go so far as to

00:13:22.120 kind of deny these differences that common origin we're tracing back to someone tracing back to an

00:13:27.260 event tracing back to different lifestyles different environments would actually create

00:13:31.300 differences but it's just objectively true people have different traits from the environment from

00:13:37.480 their lifestyle from the different things they do and it does meaningly affect their life being able

00:13:42.200 to process lactose affects my life it changes my diet the way i eat it's a great source of calcium

00:13:48.200 which helps me then children all of those different things so just to lay the groundwork

00:13:52.340 common origin common ancestor the traits they have passed down and passed down people's breaking off

00:13:58.760 starting new groups, intermarrying, all of those come to create differential sets of traits in

00:14:04.880 different people. And none of that is extreme, obscure, contested, anything like that. That is

00:14:11.280 what has been believed. This is what has been affirmed in the literature. This is how people

00:14:15.400 have lived. And it's observable. And it's observable. Exactly. Like melanin, like darkness

00:14:20.640 of the skin. That's a function of the equator and the sun. People that lived there ended up

00:14:26.060 needing a darker skin to combat the continual effects of the sun versus people that live

00:14:31.620 farther north that often had fairer skin.

00:14:34.320 That's just, that's how it works.

00:14:35.860 And so those people that live there develop that trait.

00:14:38.320 A culture did not give someone black skin or white skin.

00:14:41.200 They were born with it because of the environment, because of genetics. 0.86

00:14:46.820 Yeah.

00:14:47.360 All right.

00:14:47.960 All right.

00:14:48.140 So far, makes sense.

00:14:50.000 Let's go to chart number three, Nathan.

00:14:52.440 I realized some of this, especially as we get into DNA.

00:14:55.180 It's a little bit technical, but here's the deal.

00:14:57.400 For those of you that want this, you're going to get the info.

00:15:00.000 And if you can't follow it, here's the deal. 1.00

00:15:01.700 Every minute I keep going, atheists look stupider and stupider, dumber and dumber. 1.00

00:15:06.960 The human genome is incredible. 1.00

00:15:10.140 The complexity here, like I'm just, we're going to get pretty complex, just scratching

00:15:14.800 the surface.

00:15:15.540 It is incredible the way that God has made our cells and our genes to be passed down.

00:15:21.160 every single one of your cells besides red blood cells contain 23 chromosomes 23 pairs of chromosomes

00:15:28.600 46 total in general that contain all of your dna every single one of your cells in every single

00:15:34.380 part of your body and it's from that dna you see there the chromosome the dna is contained within

00:15:39.520 the chromosome and the gene is then within contained within the dna every protein everything

00:15:44.860 that makes your eyes everything that makes your liver your fingernails your skin your all of these

00:15:48.680 things come from your genes that are there. And so because you have, for example, all 46 chromosomes

00:15:54.940 in your eye, the eye unravels just certain portions of your chromosome that has the proteins and the

00:16:01.220 enzymes and everything needed just for the eye, unravels it so the DNA is accessible, and then the

00:16:06.560 gene there actually transcribes it. It's called the central dogma of the cell. Transcription, where

00:16:11.700 what's called an RNA polymerase, reads the DNA, and then the DNA is taken into messenger RNA

00:16:16.980 that is then translated and made into proteins.

00:16:20.680 I say all of this to say these genes contained on the DNA in the chromosome in every single cell

00:16:27.620 can be turned on and off.

00:16:30.760 They can be done with two ways.

00:16:32.780 In the chromosome, the way they stay all wrapped around,

00:16:35.200 because there's like a meter worth of DNA in every single cell,

00:16:38.520 and you have trillions of cells in your body,

00:16:40.200 is wrapped tightly around these things called histones.

00:16:42.500 And histones can be turned on and off with the addition of what's called methyl groups.

00:16:46.040 We're gonna talk a lot about methyl groups

00:16:47.400 and methylation in this episode.

00:16:49.680 Methyl groups, methylation.

00:16:51.840 Methylation blocks the enzyme that comes in

00:16:55.100 and reads the gene.

00:16:56.860 If you have a gene here for some type of protein,

00:16:58.780 like vitamin A or whatever it would be,

00:17:00.680 if there's a methyl group,

00:17:01.820 either on the histone that contains that gene

00:17:03.500 or just on the DNA in general,

00:17:05.940 it blocks transcription of it.

00:17:07.760 Now it could be a truly total,

00:17:09.120 like this is not being transcribed at all,

00:17:11.060 or it could be much so if it's transcribed less

00:17:14.380 to a lesser degree.

00:17:15.380 transcription that's really important right because that's passing on to new cells so i think

00:17:19.520 you need to exactly that's the that's like copying it down for the next one and the next one and the

00:17:23.640 next one exactly because originally we were only essentially two cells the the zygote so the sperm

00:17:28.280 and the egg but then they came together and they divided make two and then four and then eight so

00:17:32.900 at one point your eye was like a single cell now it had all the information to make all the pieces

00:17:38.620 of the eye but eventually it took those different pieces it made more cells those replicated those

00:17:44.440 replicated retinine cornea exactly yeah but genes turned off say at that very beginning cell that

00:17:49.940 very first cell that went on to make your eye or went on to make your liver or your heart or anything

00:17:54.620 like that different parts of being turned off and turned on really matter because then the cells

00:17:59.440 that followed would also be turned on and turned off so all of these different traits all these

00:18:04.880 different proteins habits ability to process lactose come back down to your gene your genes

00:18:09.700 held across your DNA, wrapped in chromosomes contained in every cell of your body. Praise

00:18:16.060 God. Absolutely amazing. How does, what happens? What could be a way? What is a practical example

00:18:24.440 of the way this worked? The Native American Indians, Rush Juni speaks of this, they really

00:18:29.100 were a hardy people. Obviously, it was variation in the tribe. Some of them were much more nomadic.

00:18:33.240 Some had settled more. But they were very nomadic people that really, Rush Juni, he lectures about

00:18:38.400 this they they spent every moment of their day working because they had to find food they were

00:18:43.400 a hunting gathering community they didn't have downtime it seems like the least the most that

00:18:49.440 they would do was the children would gather around the grandparents at night for a fire they were a

00:18:53.680 hunting gathering community and it's one of the reasons alcohol has destroyed them for example on

00:18:57.580 the reservation there's not much work there's not they're not doing what they did for thousands of

00:19:03.120 years so when the europeans that then went on settled america and became americans and they 0.64

00:19:09.160 took the indians and they said we've got to put them somewhere we have hundreds of thousands of 0.98

00:19:13.020 people what are we going to do with them they eventually put them on the reservations they

00:19:16.000 began to provide a stipend that gave them a bad diet so nate you can pull up this quote this is

00:19:21.260 quote number one from history.com and so you had european colonization and it changed the diet of

00:19:27.740 a people that had lived a certain way for thousands of years and were very good at it let me read this

00:19:32.880 for anyone that's listening. During these forced relocations, so relocation to Indian reservations,

00:19:38.160 new foods were distributed to tribes in the form of government-issued rations.

00:19:41.880 These rations, distributed twice a month, originally included lard, flour, coffee,

00:19:45.680 and sugar, and canned meat, generically known as spam, which has been linked to an increased risk

00:19:49.700 of diabetes among Native people. This food distribution program led to one of the most 1.00

00:19:53.980 dramatic dietary changes in Native American history. The original intention of the U.S. 1.00

00:19:59.040 government was to supply rations as an interim solution until relocated native people were

00:20:03.520 raising enough food on their own instead many indigenous people became dependent on the rations

00:20:09.480 some tribes initially abandoned their traditional food procurement practices but found that there

00:20:14.760 were never enough of the government issued food to feed all of their tribal members and so what

00:20:19.840 you had happen this is late 1800s this is getting to the 1900s and most certainly now today is a

00:20:26.040 government-supplied diet. And when we talk about spheres and responsibilities, this is why the

00:20:31.380 government does not provide food. The family does. A father does. Because when the government

00:20:36.660 supplies food, it's going to supply it at the lowest possible price. And the government doesn't

00:20:40.420 really care about diabetes and hyperactivity and all those things, because that's ultimately not

00:20:44.680 their problem. They're concerned with just, are these people fed? Are they happy? So what have

00:20:50.860 been the results of this? The results of this diet that has been fed to Native Americans on 1.00

00:20:55.460 reservations largely subsidized by the u.s government since then in some american indian

00:21:00.980 communities this is from a scientific research type 2 diabetes prevalence among adults is as high

00:21:07.360 as 60 percent so prevalence being how many people in a population have it 60 type 2 diabetes is

00:21:15.860 destructive to the body it is not something you want to have and for anyone listening like my

00:21:20.400 heart goes out to you because that is a lifelong condition that you're going to have to deal with

00:21:24.560 This process of insulin sensitivity, I think, in type 1, and then insulin resistance in type 2.

00:21:33.800 60%.

00:21:34.320 Now, you can say, okay, but if they quit it tomorrow, imagine tomorrow you get out all the junky, sugary drinks.

00:21:39.140 You get out all the sugar, all the fatty foods, all of that.

00:21:42.100 Well, it'll all go back to normal, right?

00:21:43.880 Well, Scripture does speak about, and I want to be careful because the iniquity in this case really is in some ways in the U.S. government.

00:21:49.580 the iniquity of the father is visited on the children to the third and the fourth generation

00:21:54.900 like the bible says that yeah and now god shows faithful love to the thousandth generation of

00:22:01.560 those that love him and keep his commandments but there are effects that just they don't go away

00:22:06.500 diabetes is up to 70 percent heritable that means in a given group of people if you took 100 people

00:22:13.720 and how many of them got diabetes the the difference between well they all eat the same

00:22:18.300 diet and they'll exercise the same the difference 70 of it could be attributed to genetics now i'm

00:22:25.100 going to get into the genetic exactly here but you have to understand this there are thousands

00:22:29.640 thousands of children today native american indian children that have type 2 diabetes and as i'm

00:22:35.480 about to show it comes from uh that high sugary diet which led to a genetic change methylation

00:22:39.980 all of that that are really suffering right now today because of a government subsidy of a bad

00:22:44.680 food program and a bad diet like real people with with high medical bills lower quality of life

00:22:51.940 lower length of life they're going to live less long and the point is even if they had a perfect 0.82

00:22:56.560 diet today it wouldn't all go away and it wouldn't all go away tomorrow in 10 years in 20 years

00:23:01.720 it would last i i don't want to make a scientific judgment that every single one there's some

00:23:06.940 arbitrary cut off at the 40 to 60 year mark well three to four generations it would take for this

00:23:12.300 people group in whole to be affected like kind of what the bible says crazy i was like what the

00:23:18.320 bible says three or four generations yeah anything else to add gentlemen before i get into how

00:23:22.540 nope all right what's real quick what's the name of russianese uh book where the whole thing is a

00:23:29.680 case study of the reservation oh yeah the uh indian reservations i'm trying to remember i was going

00:23:35.340 off the lectures if you can find that i just want to be able to recommend it to the listeners you

00:23:39.040 can be looking as west goes on but there's a whole book that uh rushed and he wrote because

00:23:43.240 he worked his he worked on the reservation for a lot of his personal work yeah yeah so yeah that

00:23:48.620 and uh man they were a people that were destroyed like alcoholism he said it was uh there was a

00:23:54.320 fourth grade boy that was pulled in front of the court for disorderly drunkenness wow and he was

00:23:58.460 like well i've just been drunk my whole life like that is the destructive effect and my point is

00:24:03.540 this is not surface level culture this is not well it's habits and it's values and this that

00:24:08.200 or the other that can be very easily swapped out one for another no there's a propensity right now

00:24:12.860 at the genetic level in this people towards it's called the american indian published by rj rush

00:24:18.780 juni the american indian by rush juni rj rush juni genetic propensity towards that then also

00:24:24.700 so you could say like well there's tons of people that have worshipped demons for thousands of years

00:24:28.420 i thought it was only the third and fourth generation well if that sin is repeated again

00:24:31.780 and again through the centuries right then that iniquity has continued to be visited yeah i'm

00:24:37.080 going to show you how this actually works. Again, because I want you to see it. I want you to see

00:24:41.960 the complexity that God's made. So Nate, you can pull up. This will be the next graph. It was already

00:24:45.440 on the TV behind us. Transcription-like factor two. So I talked about transcription. You go from

00:24:52.300 the DNA to the RNA, from the RNA to the protein. So transcription-like factor two is one of the

00:24:56.960 biggest alleles for risk for type 2 diabetes. So it encodes a transcription factor involved in

00:25:02.140 signaling that's crucial for your pancreatic beta cell proliferation. So your pancreas is where

00:25:07.420 insulin is made and it's necessary to have these beta cells that then grow and multiply and secrete

00:25:13.140 insulin. So your TF7L2 transcription factor 7 like 2 makes insulin. DNA methylation, the addition of

00:25:22.180 methyl groups to DNA to turn these things off. DNA methylation, CPG, there's four different amino

00:25:30.140 acids that DNA is made of. A, T, C, and G are their abbreviations. So cysteine preceding guinine

00:25:35.780 sites. And the TCF7-2 promoter can alter its transcription impacting glucose homeostasis.

00:25:42.820 So I've listed here, you see on the right, what are some lifestyle factors that affect

00:25:46.700 turning off this gene that when it turns off leads to a propensity to diabetes? A high calorie diet,

00:25:53.640 too much fat and calories adds chemical tags to TCF7-L2 turning it off in the pancreas.

00:25:59.180 This reduces insulin production, making blood sugar control worse. Fasting can remove them.

00:26:05.700 So then if you have calorie restriction and you fast and you just practice not being gluttonous,

00:26:11.300 those tags can be turned off and this transcription factor turned back on. Then your insulin works

00:26:15.960 better, lowers your blood sugar. Pregnancy and baby's future health. If a mother eats too much

00:26:19.660 sugar or fat while pregnant, it can permanently alter her baby's genes. That some of these can

00:26:24.140 truly be turned off for life. So you have this thing that helps make insulin, which helps regulate

00:26:30.180 your glucose. You can eat a diet that is high in sucrose, high or high in glucose, that suppresses

00:26:35.920 its transcription, and you have less insulin in the body. Go to the next graph, Nate.

00:26:41.440 And then this is the ultimate result. So you eat this diet high in sugar, you have less insulin,

00:26:47.320 and that increases your diabetes risk you develop insulin sensitivity and this tcf7 l2

00:26:54.780 is a genetic risk factor that is one of the most predominant ones and is brought about by high

00:26:59.860 sugary diet and in this group of people it is very common many many many of them have it it gives

00:27:05.340 them a predisposition which is not a sentence so it's not as though you have this you will develop

00:27:10.260 diabetes right but you will have the risk for it and you could eat a diet better than someone else

00:27:14.360 who doesn't have this and still develop it while they don't and all that to say these are the

00:27:20.700 practical means that god accomplishes it it's complicated we wouldn't know this without decades

00:27:24.900 and decades of research and understanding looking at the body we now understand that you can turn

00:27:29.420 off the thing that helps you regulate sugar by eating a bad high sugar diet right it's like you

00:27:35.280 almost like break it like it's supposed to regulate sugar to a degree but if you overload it it just

00:27:41.340 collapses exactly there's a relevant question because it wouldn't make sense to answer it

00:27:45.440 later james says all fats west or just trans fats um like grass-fed butter like there's some things

00:27:53.540 that are good for you right yes you're you're saturated fats and you're polyunsaturated fats

00:27:57.720 i'm bullish on both of them i'm negative on the cholesterol theory of high blood pressure and

00:28:02.300 everything um the biggest thing is what's surrounding those fats stacy would agree with

00:28:06.360 you he absolutely would um what's surrounding those fats so you're eating a high fat diet

00:28:10.800 but it's a high fat of deep fried things or is a high fat that's generally healthy so i wouldn't

00:28:15.640 worry too much about the trans line on your you need to be worried about trans in general the

00:28:20.420 trans line on your on your nutrition label uh i wouldn't worry about that so much as what is my

00:28:26.220 sugar looking like what is my protein looking like what's high in protein low in sugar high

00:28:30.320 in trans fat don't worry about it all right i have one anecdote to add there wes you said that

00:28:37.040 We understand this now through medicine and medical research.

00:28:42.840 But what's amazing is people have, I think, either instinctively or just through process of trial and error, understood this for a long time.

00:28:52.280 I know, for instance, that when we were missionaries in Taiwan, Taiwanese women have a very regimented diet for the first three months after they give birth. 1.00

00:29:03.920 And they all have to have it. 0.84

00:29:05.860 And it's like a lot of bone broths and soups and meat and things like that.

00:29:12.020 What's interesting is, this is speculation here, but I would imagine that if you took

00:29:18.240 that same diet and gave it to a Western woman, it would probably have some benefit to her

00:29:23.520 post-delivery, but I bet it would not be as precisely effective as what has been developed 1.00

00:29:29.660 in Taiwan with these Asian women, because just process and trial and error and over 1.00

00:29:35.080 time they've realized like these things for our people produce the healthiest women coming out

00:29:40.560 of pregnancy and then the healthiest babies um you know for the first couple months or years of life

00:29:45.320 i'm glad you brought that up because it's now being understood we don't understand much of it

00:29:50.740 now people adapt to a local diet so if you ate for example from generally the same farm in the same

00:29:56.660 area that experienced the same weather same farm the same eggs this side or the other your diet

00:30:01.960 works best to that it does it adapts to uh to best pull out nutrients to pull out the things

00:30:07.800 that it needs so you should be eating a consistent diet and that's from that same area and for

00:30:12.400 getting into ancestors and all of that it would probably be best if it's a land for example your

00:30:16.280 grandparents and your parents and everything that you live there you generally ate from those

00:30:20.280 individuals that would be your body best adapted to the nutrients that it's getting right we don't

00:30:25.360 understand all the mechanisms of how this works but all that being said like do we really need to

00:30:30.160 like do you need to be told like you should eat local beef from a farmer that you know

00:30:34.400 and eggs from a guy instead of the giant chicken farm 500 miles away like like do we really need

00:30:41.960 like a clinical peer-reviewed study to say which one's better for you which one if you eat longer

00:30:46.140 term is going to be more profitable for your health like a lot of these things we actually

00:30:50.800 do well i don't know i don't know if we do know that to be honest i you're right like common

00:30:56.080 sense kind of as we're getting back to like living on the land and and we've talked about like the

00:31:00.800 idea is not to go full homestead well the best thing for me to eat local cow and so i'm gonna

00:31:04.260 i'm gonna do 50 acres i'm gonna try to make it profitable my brother in christ you'll spend 50

00:31:08.040 years and we'll be profitable like it's just farming isn't something that we all can do

00:31:11.360 but generally speaking where do i source my food where do i get things local is better to your

00:31:17.100 point michael people they live they pass down habits for generations this is best it really

00:31:23.160 helped me with nausea during pregnancy this is best and helped me when i was postpartum like

00:31:28.940 they've passed these down this is what people groups always did they passed on diet they passed

00:31:33.040 down habit they passed down different supplements to help them and they formed something very unique

00:31:37.140 you couldn't export it so you couldn't take one people group here that's like we eat this mushroom

00:31:41.120 and we eat this and we eat that and everyone across all time everywhere should do it you know

00:31:45.020 people are different and they have different genes and they're adapted to different things

00:31:48.120 And there is not a one-size-fits-all solution.

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00:33:34.960 all right all right we are back i i got it i i plug this book this is every time we talk about

00:33:42.100 it been on a podcast i know it's incredible people are listening like is joel there is he okay did

00:33:46.640 he die does he have bad genes yeah this is the west michael show from here on out yeah all right

00:33:50.900 i plug this book a lot this is the book uh deep nutrition by kate shanahan yeah that this deals

00:33:57.260 with all of this specifically more in the diet aspect and to be honest and uh we can talk about

00:34:02.460 little she gets into beauty as well like uh like beauty is a property of symmetry it's a property 0.88

00:34:07.340 of fertility and she says like look if you want your kids not just to be healthy they don't have 0.97

00:34:12.460 diabetes they have strong bones all of that like uh healthy living is also a big function of beauty

00:34:18.160 and then because people are healthy they look better and then they also people also marry and

00:34:24.140 have children with people that also look better like it's not just an egalitarian level free-for-all

00:34:31.080 Like these things actually matter in real, I've been saying a lot, but like real tangible ways.

00:34:35.680 And one of those is beauty and the way people look.

00:34:39.100 She says this, and this is profound.

00:34:41.380 Kate Shanahan, Deep Nutrition.

00:34:43.780 Taken together, Nate, you can show this quote on the screen.

00:34:46.360 Taken together, all epigenetic evidence paints DNA as a far more dynamic and intelligent mechanism of adaptation that has been generally appreciated.

00:34:56.100 In effect, DNA seems capable of collecting information through the language of food about the changing conditions in the outside world, enacting alteration based on that information, and documenting, keeping record of, both the collected data and its response for the benefit of subsequent generations.

00:35:13.160 junk dna is full of genetic treasure it may function as a kind of ever-expanding library

00:35:18.860 complete with its own insightful librarian capable of researching previously written volumes of

00:35:24.180 successful and unsuccessful genetic adaptation strategies it follows that more complex organisms

00:35:30.720 like human beings with larger cells whose genomes represent a more complex evolutionary

00:35:35.440 history would carry relatively more substantial libraries filled with more

00:35:41.660 junk DNA. And what she's saying is that junk DNA is in many ways a reference library that's not

00:35:46.640 currently in use. They'd be filled with more of this DNA and we do know that. That DNA, we don't

00:35:52.560 understand how, but it would appear to have some level of an understanding like, oh, we've seen

00:35:58.000 this before or we know what this does. There's an incredible study in pigs. And so she talks about

00:36:02.860 this in the book. They took pigs and they deprived them of vitamin A. And vitamin A is a byproduct

00:36:07.460 of photosynthesis which gets down to the plants and deprived of vitamin a in utero pregnant pigs

00:36:12.160 gave birth to pigs that had no eyes like okay so we knocked out vitamin a they just don't develop

00:36:16.820 eyes well if there's no sun to go to the plant to produce vitamin a why would the pigs need eyes

00:36:23.620 they still had lids they still had everything but would appear at some level there are mechanisms

00:36:27.480 within the dna itself to say sunlight might not be hitting plants and photosynthesis and creating

00:36:32.700 these vitamins, we don't actually need these anymore. And so we do all this and it's like,

00:36:37.880 wow, we understand. It's all cool. Yeah. And there's an iceberg of things we actually still

00:36:42.480 don't understand. I'm going to get into a more controversial one. And this one is because it

00:36:46.800 deals with morality. The last one, diabetes and junk food, like that one's more of an affliction,

00:36:52.220 right? You're afflicted with diabetes. I have this. It requires time, insulin, needles, all of

00:36:56.560 that. But it's not necessarily a propensity to a certain moral action unless we get into kind of

00:37:01.000 gluttony, but there's different ways of parsing that out. But I'm going to get into one that's

00:37:04.980 moral. And again, the verses in the Bible, faithfulness to a thousand generations of

00:37:10.360 those that love me, and they keep my commandments. What are the commandments?

00:37:14.780 In the cold open, I just wanted to real quick point that out. That verse, and that's why we

00:37:19.460 included it in the cold open today, but it's not just, God will be faithful to a thousand

00:37:23.900 generations of Christians, but included in that, just like the Great Commission, right?

00:37:29.140 Like it's, you know, going and making disciples and baptizing them into the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit and teaching them to obey, teaching them being nations, peoples to obey all my commandments.

00:37:41.320 And so too, in this promise that we have, that God would promise to be faithful to the righteous and to a thousand generations of those who love him and obey his commandments.

00:37:54.400 So there is an obedience mechanism.

00:37:57.140 Yep, absolutely.

00:37:57.760 now you can pull up this graph so oxytocin is a molecule that modulates it's called the love

00:38:05.040 molecule but it modulates pair bonding uh emotional connection affection regulation

00:38:10.860 all these different things between is that primarily between like mother and child or

00:38:14.960 everything it's broader than that it's social but most specifically in and i'll get to a study on

00:38:20.200 this in a minute in a minute pair bonding like like the bonding of a husband and a wife they

00:38:24.720 come together in marital union. It's not just a machine that runs a command or a function or the

00:38:32.400 equivalent of adding a contact to your phone. They're joined together. And that's mediated by

00:38:38.500 real things that happen. It's not just abstract and spiritual, but it's bodily. It's in the body.

00:38:43.300 And so oxytocin is one of these things that mediates it. And so this is a graph from a 2022

00:38:48.760 study in genes brain and behavior of oxytocin expression in major people groups so just like

00:38:56.900 transcription like factor transcription like factor seven like two just like that one related

00:39:03.660 to diabetes the oxtr gene modulates regulates promotes the expression of the molecule the gene

00:39:13.340 oxtr to the molecule oxytocin oxytocin modulates all these different things that are good your

00:39:21.260 body produces your body produces it at a genetic level so this is between five different people

00:39:26.720 groups the average estimated expression rate in this is a brain brain region but the higher values

00:39:34.400 indicating more expression so on the left you have africans this is the average expression it's the

00:39:39.620 lowest of the five groups. And then in East Asians, so this would be China, Vietnam, Korea,

00:39:45.120 Japan. East Asians have the highest expression. I'll go through these other ones and come back 0.90

00:39:49.260 to East Asians in a minute. Then you have America. And Michael, I want to hear from you on the length 0.93

00:39:53.280 of time that people can stay and that matters. You have America, which is second lowest, Europeans, 0.99

00:39:58.820 and then you have South Asians. So these are some of the southern regions like India. I don't know 0.65

00:40:03.060 if Australia would fit into that. No, it wouldn't. So you don't have Australia, but you have southern

00:40:07.140 aging regions and that's the second highest these are the average levels of oxytocin expression

00:40:12.880 and this is a molecule that helps people pair bond stay monogamous helps mothers nurture their

00:40:21.240 children breastfeed them helps people control emotional regulation that people can still sin

00:40:26.600 but it it sets them up with the the highest chance with the greatest propensity of staying faithful

00:40:32.500 in marriage of being nurturing mothers is that what you're saying yes yeah like a like a good

00:40:37.920 mother is not like it's just not an abstract category like a mother that loves her children 0.57

00:40:43.220 and cares for them and and breastfeeds which is a great thing that should be done as much as

00:40:47.340 possible sometimes it's not possible but if it's possible to men without pain and difficulty all

00:40:51.820 these things that should be done and the point is those things are mediated by by real physical

00:40:56.220 things that exist and the graph of different people groups on the whole on average it's not

00:41:02.620 a flat line it's not the same propensity it's not all of these groups are the same thing it's not

00:41:08.540 egalitarian exactly and we're not talking about behavior so this is not a graph of monogamous

00:41:12.820 behavior well these cultures have less monogamy less faithfulness less husbands staying in the

00:41:18.460 home and these have more no these are genetic levels and the problem is like oh well that's

00:41:24.500 just genes that's just numbers on a screen that's just molecules deposited in a brain

00:41:28.100 well which of those peoples of those five different ones that were named have the greatest level the

00:41:33.920 greatest family values oh it's east asians compared to europe and compared to america

00:41:39.740 east asians have the most structured long-standing grounded rooted sense of family values of anywhere

00:41:47.360 in the world and they're not a perfect and also some of the longest lifespans they have some of

00:41:51.760 longest lifespans they have honor cultures now all of these different things there's a thousand

00:41:56.220 things of course right that mediate monogamy so nothing in this graph i i just want to note for

00:42:01.600 a second because on x you know there's so many people that hate us and they love us but they

00:42:09.440 hate us well i'd say there's a hundred thousand people that love us and about 10 million that

00:42:13.620 hate us but uh which i'm i'm fine with that that ratio but here's the thing people have hated me

00:42:19.280 for a while now but um wes really doesn't get enough credit uh but you were you were quickly

00:42:24.480 up and coming and uh and i've noticed you know on the the twitter streets um even just the past

00:42:30.600 few weeks like people starting to realize wait a second wes might be uh might be further right

00:42:36.660 than joel and as they're starting to notice like they're kind of like now they're they're kind of

00:42:40.640 you're kind of starting to get some of your own credit you're getting your own you know special

00:42:44.220 attention and but i just want to say that like with that chart that you're showing you know so

00:42:48.380 with the haters you know one of the things that i've seen people say that's absolutely

00:42:51.700 false and slanderous um but they're uh they're just white supremacists right well but i i i love

00:43:00.220 white people and i happen i am one i love them right my wife happens to be white my kids are

00:43:06.020 white so i i love my parents are white i i love white people um and i love my country and i love

00:43:12.180 my kinsmen i love all those things um but if we were just white supremacists and that was our 0.98

00:43:18.680 agenda uh you probably wouldn't be showing charts where the asians are kicking our butt 0.99

00:43:23.980 kicking our butts is strong yeah okay right right right like maybe not kicking our butt but just 1.00

00:43:29.300 you know of this specific gene that mediates in this field this does not help your white 0.99

00:43:34.220 supremacist case just want to throw that out there exactly all right go ahead and and this

00:43:37.460 culture for the record like japan is two percent christian right they are very their central bank

00:43:43.340 is screwing them over that's a topic for another time but um but as far as a culture as far as

00:43:47.260 trust uh success work ethic all of that like these aren't china is not majority christian so this is

00:43:53.160 not a chart of like least christian somewhat christian most christian these are just different

00:43:57.180 people groups that have lived a certain way and as a result look different nate we can go to the

00:44:02.840 last quote here but real quick just let you showed the chart but let's just say it for those who are

00:44:06.940 listening because we're just we're just looking at something there's no animus here there's not

00:44:10.720 there's nothing sinful we don't need to apologize we don't need to be cowardly so with the chart

00:44:15.180 you're saying east asians rated the highest yes americans were second lowest yep and in part i'm

00:44:21.460 going to argue that part of that is because um because of our greatest strength diversity

00:44:27.740 part of it and um there's also something to be said too for just being a a homogenous people

00:44:36.920 that have high trust like europe is higher europe is more godless than us right now in the moment

00:44:41.380 but they're an ancient people i remember i was uh i was back when i worked in consulting i was

00:44:46.120 talking with a guy and he's like our old cities are old cities like oh dc's an old city boston's

00:44:50.900 an old city the guy our old cities amsterdam's like 1500 years old 2000 3000 4000 you go to

00:44:56.320 it's like this cathedral was built in like 280 exactly or 480 america has existed for 250 years

00:45:03.780 a little bit longer obviously if you go back to some of the original arrives and mayflower and

00:45:07.060 stuff but um but i do think that's that's one of the things america is second lowest we're even

00:45:12.240 lower than obviously europe and then asia and all those different things uh and there's different

00:45:16.460 factors that impact it but one of those is just it's been a while it has not been long that we've

00:45:20.620 been a people and even in being a people our greatest strength we don't even have any type

00:45:25.480 of cohesive sense of who we are right that's been the biggest question right last year like what is

00:45:29.600 a woman that's what is an american or or what is you know what is a woman and then matt walsh did

00:45:33.860 am i racist but we yeah we really need like what is an american yeah what is a nation um is it

00:45:39.520 people in place or is it just you know some prop set of propositions so yeah so i think it's how

00:45:44.940 young we are as a nation and that like the cement hasn't hardened the dust hasn't settled that it's

00:45:50.580 just been this now there have been various times where things did kind of settle and america did

00:45:55.580 really well you know but then there'd be new ways of immigration you know so from you know like it's 0.76

00:46:01.940 the irish it's the italians it's you know and and we kick them off into the west because there's a 1.00

00:46:06.900 lot of land so they'd arrive people in the one from there they'd be a place for them kick them 1.00

00:46:10.160 out well that's the thing you kick them out and then they actually get to become settlers 0.63

00:46:13.400 right they have something to settle there's still irish state in the east coast yeah but some of

00:46:18.180 these waves early waves of immigration there was still something to settle it wasn't just immigrants

00:46:22.300 um it was actually going somewhere and making something on your own and building um but then

00:46:28.560 you know so that so there's waves of upheaval seasons of upheaval and upheaval and disrest

00:46:33.820 unrest and then um and then you know things kind of calm down and the dust starts to settle and

00:46:38.940 then it happens again it happens and but then lately like by design and this is not just us

00:46:43.860 europe is now experiencing this they just have you know a thousand years as a bedrock you know

00:46:48.320 so a little bit more stabilization but it's being destabilized um but but most recently it's it's

00:46:55.440 not like our past and and and different historic moments in america or and and there's nothing

00:46:59.920 historic um that you could go and point to being similar you know with england or with france but

00:47:05.240 it's um it's it's a somewhat novel phenomenon of um your political elites and leaders of these

00:47:12.880 european nations and also here in america intentionally by design trying to replace

00:47:19.560 the native population with poorest borders and and legislation like anchor babies you know which

00:47:26.240 praise god trump's trying to get rid of that it's a horrible horrible policy um that just

00:47:31.520 incentivizes people who are nine months pregnant you know to just just barely make it over the 0.58

00:47:37.260 line hit that disneyland trip what hit that disneyland trip so you give birth in the united

00:47:41.240 states right and then drop literally like that's what happens that is what happens so anyways um

00:47:46.140 so all that being said like there's reasons for why america is rated more lowly on this scale and

00:47:51.520 this isn't an overall this was particularly in regards to what oxytocin which again that's not

00:47:58.720 as though you have high levels you'll be monogamous low levels you won't but of different factors of

00:48:03.800 the higher levels you're you're better able to pair bond better emotional regulation i'll show

00:48:08.400 some research here in a minute on mothers and nurturing but right of oxytocin on average on

00:48:13.560 the whole and it's even tough with america because you have different races that are all here and all

00:48:17.220 of that but on the whole lower than east asia and europe and europe yep and then the lowest was

00:48:24.980 africa yes the lowest is africa uh and we'll have to do an episode probably on the fertility crisis

00:48:30.300 but diversity is something that presence of diversity diverse municipalities communities

00:48:35.820 these nations they they don't have people having a lot of children yep like at the end of the day

00:48:40.180 like that's another reason you bring in that foreign populace and then the people that are 1.00

00:48:43.540 there like well there's not a lot of future for these children that i could have but why would i 0.99

00:48:47.580 have a bunch of them they have no place to just be displaced and deracinated and all that different 0.96

00:48:51.300 thing because they're dumb and they watch boy meets world and uh instead of practicing violin 0.99

00:48:55.500 for eight hours a day right exactly wasn't that hypocritical to see vivek like he's going on his 0.99

00:49:00.100 re-imaging rebranding tour like his his crawl of penance and atonement but it's so hypocritical

00:49:07.420 and ironic because it's like you just said americans are too big on recreation and now

00:49:11.940 you're going to the indy 500 or some kind of you know sports car race you know it's like

00:49:16.580 shouldn't you be at home you know teaching your kids math right yep and when i say home i mean

00:49:21.800 india no it's like i i understand but let's hit the last quote so i want to show because the point

00:49:30.900 is you you can modify this this is not set in stone right diabetes 70 of it is genetic iq

00:49:37.160 it's between 50 and 100 but it's probably not it's not all genetic either there are things you

00:49:42.860 can do to modify it so this is a study from 2019 in psychoneuroendocrinology the journal

00:49:49.500 And this was looking at,

00:49:50.420 voles are actually really cool.

00:49:51.520 You do a lot of studies in these.

00:49:52.560 I did some studies on this in my undergrad

00:49:53.960 because they're one of the few mammals that pair for life.

00:49:56.240 So we actually, we look at them,

00:49:57.700 we do things to them we couldn't do to humans

00:49:59.520 and understand the effects of oxytocin for these moles,

00:50:02.700 these voles that literally like as animals

00:50:05.160 have one spouse for life.

00:50:06.920 We report, the authors report in this study,

00:50:09.360 I'm quoting now,

00:50:10.060 that low levels of early care in voles

00:50:12.600 lead to de novo DNA methylation.

00:50:15.120 So early care, this means nurturing,

00:50:16.980 licking, petting, nursing.

00:50:18.600 Low levels, so less nurturing, less care, less provision for these little youth in these

00:50:24.620 prairie voles, leads to, we've been talking about this whole episode, DNA methylation

00:50:29.560 at specific regulatory sites in the oxytocin receptor gene, OXTR, impacting gene expression

00:50:36.620 and protein distribution in the nucleus accumbens, that's a brain region.

00:50:41.300 These results identify a mechanism by which early care regulates later displays of typical

00:50:46.540 prairie vole social behavior and suggest the potential for nurture-driven epigenetic tuning

00:50:53.540 of OXTR in humans. So the reason you can use voles and mice and all these different things,

00:50:59.640 when they have the same regions and structures and all of this as humans, you can do something

00:51:03.380 in a mouse, you can observe an effect and say, we anticipate, obviously you're not going to kill a

00:51:07.220 human being, look at their brain and replicate it. You can say, we anticipate this would be

00:51:11.220 replicated in humans but don't miss what this study is saying little voles the little babies

00:51:17.020 and those that received less care had these receptors and these genes that mediate them

00:51:22.700 later on as adults as moms and dads this bonding this social behavior this emotional regulation

00:51:27.800 all of that those who didn't get that early care early on their dna itself methylation methyl group

00:51:34.260 turned that off turned that off turned down that gene expression so then later on in life

00:51:39.020 they experienced lower levels of that ability to do what voles do but the behavior that it was

00:51:45.320 tied to was not abstract and it wasn't chemical or molecular it was nurturing behavior it was

00:51:51.020 care it was obviously they're animals they're not human beings it was love and the authors say in

00:51:56.800 that study like this guys is not this is not 4chan literature this is peer-reviewed academic study

00:52:02.680 we think the same thing would happen in humans we think the same gene the same mechanism the same

00:52:08.720 care, love, and nurture, if deprived early on, would impact an individual later in life through

00:52:14.920 the same mechanism. So you're saying with people that it's possible, maybe even likely, that if you

00:52:22.200 had not just one generation, but I assume it would only compound if you had like three generations

00:52:27.820 or four generations of a loving mother, ideally if she's able to, like my wife was not able to

00:52:35.300 breastfeed. And we're on our fifth child now, a little baby, Mabel, who's doing great. She's

00:52:41.220 about three months old now. And she's our first child that my wife, Megan, has been able to

00:52:45.460 breastfeed. And with each child, she was able to produce a little bit more milk, which is amazing.

00:52:51.300 And I think that's happened naturally with her body, but all of it is the work of God and the

00:52:55.240 way that He's designed her. It's like each child, it's like training her body to do that.

00:53:01.340 But anyways, my point is, if you had like three generations of a nurturing mother, stay-at-home mother, especially in the early years of life, and if she's able to, I'm not saying that it would just be intentionally by design.

00:53:15.900 I understand my own wife wasn't able to breastfeed, but for those who can, she chooses to breastfeed and all those things.

00:53:22.560 and um a father i would imagine mother would be more integral but the father for those later years

00:53:28.680 as the child starts to develop if he's also in the home um and providing and and doesn't abandon

00:53:33.980 the marriage and abandon the child and that happens consecutively for three generations

00:53:37.880 um we would say on the spiritual side that's discipleship um and but then we would say that

00:53:46.840 Like, God created a world that's so incredible and so magical.

00:53:50.540 I mean, he made a magical world, right?

00:53:52.620 It's like, oh, well, that's just science.

00:53:54.240 Yeah, but he made it.

00:53:55.700 The fact that water, I forget who said it, G.K. Chesterton or Lewis, that, like, water flows downhill.

00:54:02.340 Like, when it, you know, God could have made it go up it, but it's just as amazing.

00:54:05.700 We should be amazed.

00:54:07.460 For us, it makes sense.

00:54:08.500 And so, we're not, we lose the sense of awe.

00:54:11.460 But all this is built into the fabric of the world that God has made.

00:54:14.220 And so on the one hand, the spiritual way that we would describe it is discipleship.

00:54:19.280 But that also has a chemical and biological side of it that works not against, and it's

00:54:26.900 not just completely severed, but they're working together.

00:54:29.900 On the one hand, it's discipling generation after generation after generation of good

00:54:34.240 parenting, loving mothers, loving fathers.

00:54:37.400 But then also that's having a physical effect.

00:54:41.160 So it's not anything less than the spirit.

00:54:43.040 it's not anything less than discipleship it's not anything less than love parental love and

00:54:48.140 christian love for those christian families which would say would be all the greater

00:54:51.700 it's nothing less than that but we're just saying that you know god moves off so like

00:54:56.060 whenever someone's saved well how does that happen well before the foundations of the world god and

00:55:00.920 his sovereignty elects like all that's true so that's the macro ultimate spiritual side of the

00:55:06.000 equation and that is the ultimate um because god sovereignly ordains and the spirit um regenerates

00:55:11.900 And that's how God saves.

00:55:14.040 But also he works through human means.

00:55:15.660 Somebody shares the gospel.

00:55:16.800 There's evangelism.

00:55:17.620 There's a mind that's at work, you know, and firing and making logical conclusions and all these different things.

00:55:23.860 And so we're just saying the same thing, not so much with soteriology, salvation, but when it comes to nurture and discipleship and these kinds of things that with three generations of good, natural love and nurturing for a child with a mother and a father, I would imagine that would be all the better.

00:55:41.360 to do that consecutively, and then to do that even to a greater degree with not just being

00:55:48.440 natural love, but Christian love, which wouldn't be against natural love, but just even heightened,

00:55:54.340 you know, grace restores and elevates nature. And to do that with three generations, we would say

00:55:59.160 that spiritually speaking, by the time you get to that third or fourth generation, they've been

00:56:04.480 well-shaped and discipled. But you can also say that the human, you know, the physical,

00:56:10.540 biological means at play within you know the larger macro picture of what god has established

00:56:15.920 is that it actually is even making even making them biologically physically with a higher

00:56:22.680 propensity with with a greater inclination towards doing the same now for their own children for their

00:56:28.220 own offspring to be loving and caring and present and nurturing um whereas if you have the reverse

00:56:34.460 i'm just spitballing here doesn't sound that crazy but if you have multiple consecutive

00:56:38.540 generations where the father leaves or is in jail right you know and and maybe the mother

00:56:46.040 is there but but it's it's one parent home you know or maybe the mother isn't as an attentive

00:56:51.560 or these kinds of things that um that you're saying that that that's not just a spiritual

00:56:57.320 component but the spiritual component is is ultimate but that there's a physical component

00:57:02.800 and deficiencies that would compound over time

00:57:10.400 that would set that person generations down the road

00:57:13.700 at a greater disadvantage.

00:57:15.480 Yeah.

00:57:15.980 I'm going to hit Alex's question because they're questioning,

00:57:19.300 but I think it's from a good place.

00:57:21.160 So Alex asked two questions that directly relate to this.

00:57:24.200 I'm talking about moles, voles, and mice.

00:57:26.820 So people are like animals, Alex asks.

00:57:29.040 How can someone be nurturing if God made them not to be nurturing?

00:57:31.920 and that is some of the thorny question of this yeah the caution i do want to say and i'll go back

00:57:36.580 to the animals comment is none of this should be taken as a as a mechanical problem my mom was was

00:57:43.540 absent therefore i'm doomed i'm faded mechanics just i i just i won't be able to to commit to

00:57:50.220 my woman to show nurture love all these different things that's not what's going on you don't know

00:57:55.040 how her mom what she maybe gave to gave to your mom which then passed down so the genetic level

00:58:00.640 nothing is for sure because our human genome, our DNA, yours especially, you don't know what

00:58:08.120 sites are methylated. We don't know that. And it's good that we don't know that. God made it that we

00:58:12.380 don't know that. So none of us are able to say, well, I'm sure X happened or I have this genetic

00:58:17.020 this, that, or the other, and that's why I disobey or that's why I do what I do. You just simply

00:58:21.380 don't have that excuse. And then even there are people that defy the odds. So someone could come

00:58:25.880 from a long line and it does happen of bad parenting and an abusive home that didn't show

00:58:31.040 love and they say i'm not going to be like that it stops with me it stops with me it ends with us

00:58:36.440 and they turn it around if they turn it around you know five generations from them their great

00:58:41.040 great grandchildren would would be better than them but but they would still merit um a a great

00:58:47.740 degree of credit and respect and honor because they're the ones that that changed the sequence

00:58:52.300 that changed the time exactly and that does happen that's the thing people are addicts people are

00:58:56.940 violent people and someone says be it the gospel whatever way it's done with me and then they build

00:59:02.060 something new and that faithfulness god blesses at the genetic level to where a couple generations

00:59:07.820 down they're not inheriting what was given to them right that does happen right in god's sovereignty

00:59:13.900 my personal story is is somewhat in this line uh that um for those who don't know you know when

00:59:19.980 eric khan got in big trouble sometime last year uh for his uh infamous uh adoption tweet well eric

00:59:29.080 the the reason he did that was believe it or not he wasn't just trying to be an edgelord and get

00:59:34.300 under everyone's skin you can always word something different as well i wouldn't have said it like

00:59:40.580 that i've never heard anybody say anything that i didn't think i would have said it differently

00:59:44.440 so okay you won't say it like that fine um but but was what was behind the scenes because i i

00:59:51.120 talked to him about it uh was you know multiple families that he's close to that had adopted

00:59:57.680 and uh and in many of these cases adopted older children through the foster foster

01:00:02.780 um foster care system and then you know god opened their wombs and they had um biological children

01:00:09.980 uh later on and had um obviously not gonna be completely inappropriate to share names

01:00:15.940 and i'm not gonna go into details with the situation but i'll i'll just say in a general

01:00:20.800 sense um some pretty pretty alarming and terrible tragic things um done to the biological children

01:00:29.460 who ended up being younger by the foster adopted child who was older and especially these children

01:00:37.320 coming from broken homes that their parents came from broken homes that their parents came from

01:00:42.320 and um yeah i'll leave it there i could i could be more detailed so that was kind of the behind

01:00:48.660 the scenes was in a lot of these families they're all christian families because it's let's just be

01:00:52.700 honest it's christians for the most part that that are willing to adopt and and serve in the foster

01:00:58.160 care system all these kinds of things and so these were christian parents who love both their

01:01:02.940 biological and adoptive children both are their children and yet had talked to eric as a pastor

01:01:08.600 about some of those challenges and eric had was privy to you know just knowing about some of them

01:01:14.260 and then even pastorally dealt with some of them and um and then from myself for my own story

01:01:20.240 so i defended eric one because he's my friend and i thought he was right i wouldn't just defend him

01:01:25.240 because he's my friend but that helps when you have a relationship with someone i also thought

01:01:28.700 he was right um and i knew some of the behind the scenes experience um that was informing that tweet

01:01:35.200 and then i also know my own personal set of circumstances so i i was fine defending that

01:01:41.600 that tweet because i'm adopted you know maybe a lot of our listeners don't know that but i

01:01:46.400 i was adopted um my biological parents especially my father um was a deadbeat you know he was just

01:01:56.740 you know he was a loser and um and you know and and he probably would have i i don't know i don't

01:02:05.180 know i don't know what he would have done um but i know he abandoned my my birth mother and um and 0.98

01:02:10.920 so i wouldn't be surprised if he would have been fine with her getting an abortion praise god my

01:02:16.360 biological mother did not um opt for having an abortion and she actually she you know and now

01:02:23.120 she was charismatic um like like most christians in america um you know more pentecostal but she

01:02:28.520 was a christian and um and she was older and she had health problems um i think she was almost 40

01:02:34.840 years old um when she gave birth to me and she was poor and didn't have a husband and and my 0.79

01:02:42.040 biological father was you know hit and run he's out of the picture and so she was like i i can't

01:02:47.060 do this and so she decided to put me up for adoption and um and for the few days that she

01:02:52.360 had me. She had me in the hospital for a few days because I had heart complications, which I still

01:02:57.280 have. And so I had to be lifelighted to Herman's Children's Hospital in Texas and all these

01:03:03.880 different things to find out if I was going to be okay and running tests and doing some different

01:03:09.840 things. And so she was with me in the hospital and nursing me during that time. And she wanted

01:03:15.160 to call me something. So she called me Samuel. And that's why I said like a little charismatic,

01:03:19.560 But like in her mind, she was thinking like Samuel, you know, Hannah says, you know, God, if you open my womb, give me a son, I'll give my first child to you, you know, to the house of the Lord, the temple with Eli, the priest.

01:03:32.960 And so she wanted to give me up to adoption, but to Christians and particularly a pastor.

01:03:37.580 My dad was a minister.

01:03:38.900 And so she said yes and let my dad and mom adopt me.

01:03:43.000 but my point is um my parents did such my adopted parents now um did such a great job um of being

01:03:52.480 they weren't overly spiritual like they they they were you know serious christians love the lord

01:04:00.020 believe we live in a world that's not just stuff that was a spiritual component dad's a pastor

01:04:04.560 charismatic pastor for for that matter both of my parents are members in our church now and

01:04:09.920 two of my favorite members you know just fantastic yeah besides you guys of course

01:04:15.560 um but uh but you know but even being charismatic and and and certainly believing that god created

01:04:21.500 a world that's not just stuff and there's a spiritual component they also were just my

01:04:26.120 parents my adopted parents are um just the most down-to-earth people you ever meet and and nothing

01:04:31.940 but the very best ways and just it's awesome like every every sunday night after our second service

01:04:37.200 of church they come over we do a game night you know they read to the grandkids we put them down

01:04:40.560 to bed and then me and my wife and my parents have game night together and um they're just so

01:04:44.960 practical and they're just they're just normal people and so my point is from a very young age

01:04:50.180 though they noticed uh because my my my mom my adopted mom um god opened her womb and so then

01:04:58.020 they had by i have biological brothers and a sister younger than me and i like at a young

01:05:05.120 age they realize like oh you know one of these things it's not like the other joel he's a weirdo

01:05:11.380 you know and just uh and and i i just had some challenges nathan you know he's our tech director

01:05:17.460 he's my cousin know me he's like yeah you know joel was a little strange um and by god's grace

01:05:22.380 he protected me from you know doing something beyond just you know that's silly that's strange

01:05:26.320 um but but yeah it was it was different it was different like i because here's the thing about

01:05:31.880 adoption even as a child um you know the bright side is um in adoption someone chooses you um

01:05:39.020 the bad side though is uh someone chooses you because someone rejected you someone didn't want

01:05:45.660 you you know you can say well you but your birth mom was just doing the best you okay well then my

01:05:49.960 birth father like somebody didn't want me um and and and so to you know so i wasn't breastfed

01:05:57.380 for a few days and then it's bottle and it's you know and and there's and there's just there's and

01:06:03.240 then i came from i came physically biologically from a line of as far as i know i don't know

01:06:11.780 every detail about my birth father but a line of not great people not great people with not great

01:06:17.740 habits and and uh yeah and and so with there were things but here's the point all that back to what

01:06:24.740 was saying none none of the three of us are saying um and therefore um i'm not morally culpable for

01:06:32.820 any of the mistakes i've made right no one's saying that i'm a sinner and um and and and i'm

01:06:40.600 responsible for every single sin i've committed and it's only because of the blood of jesus christ

01:06:46.300 that that forgives and atones for sin that i have any chance and that's my justification but in my

01:06:53.080 sanctification um the same standard that god would hold from for for children who come from a good

01:07:00.400 home he holds for everyone like it's not like there's 10 commandments for for this set of

01:07:06.500 people over here and then i had you know five commandments or you know some kind of lower bar

01:07:10.140 like no and so but but all i'm trying to say is that um the immutable law word of god remains

01:07:17.520 constant for each and every one of us and and every man romans chapter one is is without an

01:07:22.380 apology or without an excuse like i had the law of god written on my heart even before i was

01:07:27.420 converted like all men do just by being created in the image of god and having a conscience and

01:07:31.580 these kinds of things and yet um i will admit and i probably wouldn't even been aware of this

01:07:39.480 because i was so young my parents would admit my adopted parents would admit yeah it was harder for

01:07:44.360 joel than our other kids like in school that last thing i said in school all the way through through

01:07:49.480 almost all the way through elementary and part of middle school, I had three, in every single one of

01:07:55.820 my classes, I always had three desks. I had one in the rows with the other students, one right next

01:08:01.700 to the teacher's desk, outside of the rows at the front of the classroom. Not quite the place of

01:08:04.940 honor. And then one out in the hallway. And I would basically, on a daily basis, hour by hour,

01:08:10.740 depending on my behavior, rotate between one of those desks. And a lot of times, I would just

01:08:15.940 be getting distracted if i was getting distracted then i'd have to go sit by the teacher if i was

01:08:20.740 being distracting i would you know because there were those moments too i'd be in the hall but the

01:08:25.180 point is um these things are real they're real and none of them none of it makes and so and so

01:08:31.560 there's a certain class of people who are that's just wokeness right like that like they're you're

01:08:35.960 absolved from your sin it's not your fault no um because somebody has to turn the tide somebody

01:08:40.340 has to say as for me and my house we will serve the lord and if i come from a line of of you know

01:08:46.960 i mean that it's like even when i think of like europeans especially i love like people show like

01:08:52.200 some pagan dance or something video on x will go viral and they'll say you should do um you should

01:08:57.880 follow the heritage of your ancestors and do what um what they did and convert to christianity

01:09:02.560 you know like the richest heritage um of of many ancestral people especially among europeans

01:09:08.420 is um giving up paganism and turning to the lord jesus christ and my point is um in every single

01:09:15.840 person's history and every people's peoples of the earth history at some point they had to convert

01:09:22.760 to jesus at some it's not like they just came out of the ether as moral people you know loving

01:09:27.900 jesus they had to convert from pagan demon worship from bad habits from from all these kinds of

01:09:34.280 things. And so, whether it's on a micro scale with adopting a child, you know, from a family

01:09:40.740 that's kind of a rough family, or whether it's on a macro scale of a new peoples that comes to Christ

01:09:46.460 and now has to be discipled and learn better habits that ultimately all of it stems from the

01:09:50.840 Word of God that affects every single realm of life, including even their biology, not in 15

01:09:55.880 minutes, but over generations that would lend towards more health and prosperity and blessing

01:10:03.980 and better habits and morality and fidelity and all these kinds of, like, the point is all these

01:10:10.660 things are true. And these things being true absolves no one. We all ultimately still rely

01:10:17.040 on the grace of God and are still responsible for obeying Christ's commandments. And God will

01:10:24.100 not be mocked a man reaps what he sows and there are right the prosperity gospel and the last thing

01:10:29.880 i know i've said this last thing i'll say last thing the prosperity gospel is a heresy because

01:10:35.720 what it asserts is that you can have the blessing of god apart from obedience that that you can use

01:10:40.800 faith as a mechanism as like a incantation as like some pagan spell and and where jesus isn't even

01:10:48.420 the true object of your faith but you just have faith in your faith and by just by just manifesting

01:10:53.820 positive thinking and just wishing it into existence you can have you know a 401k and a

01:11:00.240 big house and and ferrari um and and health you know and your cancer will go away like

01:11:05.980 that that's a heresy that's a prosperity gospel um but that but that's not what we're talking

01:11:11.980 but what we're talking about is the law of sowing and reaping the law of sowing and reaping and the

01:11:17.200 prosperity gospel are not the same and there's a lot of people i think in the reformed camp that

01:11:22.260 want to say they you know they think they're being cute you know like the pam beasley you know office

01:11:26.900 meme like corbett wants you to see that you know this is the same picture reaping and sowing

01:11:31.060 prosperity no it's not the same picture one of them's a heresy and one of them's the word of god

01:11:35.620 the bible what i'm trying to say is that the bible is clear that it's not just the life to come but

01:11:42.200 there is there are temporal blessings in this earthly life for obedience not guaranteed you can

01:11:50.600 still get cancer and die, right? God's not entitled, you're not entitled to the blessing of

01:11:55.020 God. God's not beholden to anyone. There's nothing you can do by your obedience to work the God of

01:11:59.280 the universe into your debt. But ordinarily, I'll use that qualifier, ordinarily, God's system and

01:12:06.560 the way that he set things up is that obedience, right? Children obey your parents. This is the

01:12:10.900 first commandment with a promise that it may go well with you. Not that if you obey your parents,

01:12:15.720 you'll have eternal salvation. No, you only get that by faith in Jesus. No, you'll get an earthly

01:12:20.400 blessing if you obey your parents it'll go well with you and you'll live a long life

01:12:23.700 on the earth temporally in this life and and that's just you know that's the fifth commandment

01:12:29.140 and so if you have consecutive generations of nurturing parents and honoring obedient children

01:12:35.260 and like yeah that's society and if that becomes society wide you know not not just one family but

01:12:42.200 those families become more and more families and that becomes eventually a civilization and the

01:12:45.980 nation and you have that kind of heritage then yeah that that those peoples that come

01:12:52.940 from that lineage are probably going to be doing pretty well do you want to have a predisposition

01:12:59.900 to diabetes or not right literally like would you rather not i would rather be part of the people

01:13:05.460 that he who work does not work shall not eat but these people did work they ate a good diet

01:13:09.880 and are health because of it right which one would you rather personally be part of which

01:13:13.900 with your kids that's a great point west like i like it gets jarring and people get offended

01:13:19.420 hardest hit i know it gets it gets offensive and and i know that sometimes we say things i say

01:13:24.780 things in a bombastic manner i get it we're trying not to do that in this episode i hope the listener

01:13:30.220 can can sense that but that i'm glad you said it like that because that's not being hyperbolic or

01:13:35.600 bombastic just for the fun of it no it really is um there was a group of people and we're not even

01:13:41.220 saying it was all their fault talking about um again going back to like indian reservations

01:13:45.680 so we're not like you can put a lot of blame on the united states government exactly so we're not

01:13:50.240 even putting it all the responsibility on them but but here's here's the facts you have a group

01:13:55.560 of people that um that literally for life don't have to work and so many of them the vast majority

01:14:01.620 don't they don't you don't have to work um and and a bunch of them you said what was it 60 percent

01:14:09.140 60% in some communities,

01:14:11.140 so not every single tribal reservation,

01:14:12.800 but some of them as high as a prevalence

01:14:14.480 of 60% of type two diabetes.

01:14:18.340 And then if you have-

01:14:19.300 Which is 70% hereditary.

01:14:21.160 This is not something that's just like 60% of them eat badly.

01:14:24.300 No, almost entirely driven by genetic predisposition to it.

01:14:29.560 Which does come by eating badly over generations.

01:14:32.100 Exactly.

01:14:32.940 And so you're saying a whole-

01:14:33.980 Am I right that the predisposition

01:14:36.320 is more likely to be unlocked

01:14:38.280 depending on then what you do with it.

01:14:39.760 Exactly, I wanna get to that in the last second.

01:14:42.100 So you have multiple generations

01:14:43.740 of a particular people group that because of sin,

01:14:47.780 whether it be their sin or other sin

01:14:49.420 or a combination of the two,

01:14:50.520 and I would argue probably the latter,

01:14:51.780 a combination of the two,

01:14:54.600 they're by and large not working

01:14:57.900 and just living off of tax money. 0.97

01:15:01.640 For a guilty white people, 0.61

01:15:04.140 even this is not generosity, it's guilt. 0.86

01:15:06.200 white people felt guilty. And so out of guilt, we gave reparations, basically, in perpetuity,

01:15:15.720 indefinitely, to these peoples. And so our sin of guilt instead of gratitude caused us to give

01:15:22.580 reparations instead of actual generosity and teaching people, like, reparations in perpetuity,

01:15:28.460 which allowed for another sin of apathy and not working and eating poorly because they weren't

01:15:35.780 willing to work and now there's there's actually a genetic in their own body romans one receive

01:15:43.240 penalty in their own body there's a physical consequence as well as all the spiritual and

01:15:48.560 relational that's that will preach now in america a lot of people don't want it to preach

01:15:56.660 they don't want to hear that sermon um because they think that sermon is racist or they think

01:16:01.460 that um but these are biblical principles and if we and if we just pretend that they're not

01:16:06.960 and i'll be the first like once again uh first to say this is not something that i've been

01:16:12.960 aware of and and consistently teaching for 30 years no no i haven't been consistently teaching 0.67

01:16:19.440 this for 30 years i've i've been consistently stupid for 30 years like there's very few things

01:16:24.520 well but this is also pretty like cutting edge like as far as our understanding i don't know 0.77

01:16:29.340 anyone else connecting the field of epigenetics which is emerging to religious christian living

01:16:34.460 yeah i don't know of anyone doing that yet except me and you miss we a few a few months back i i said

01:16:40.960 it publicly yeah um and i like heard you talking about it but then i made that connection of

01:16:45.180 epigenetics i think it was like you're preaching on faithfulness across generations i was like

01:16:48.420 wait we know about how that happens biologically well we've been having the discussion behind the

01:16:52.420 scenes a lot about like what is the nexus of like what is the connection between like like

01:16:59.780 jordan peterson was was talking about how psychologists are trying to treat people who

01:17:04.400 have depression strictly through diet right which has prompted us to be talking behind the scenes

01:17:09.200 like what is spiritual and what is physical right anxiety is a sin and yet it could be cured with

01:17:15.720 the physical means like it's very interesting like are you sleeping are you exercising depression

01:17:21.460 what's your diet so my point is like i'm all i'm trying to say is that um i don't want to pick on

01:17:26.400 anybody because if anything i should just pick on myself these are um we are learning we're learning

01:17:33.900 i'm learning michael is learning wes is teaching teaching you know he's teaching but still like

01:17:40.680 you said that like make connecting some of the dots between what you learned at columbia and

01:17:44.860 where was your grad school university of texas university of texas and then you know from some

01:17:50.040 of the my sermons on covenantal uh teaching and then taking the covenantal aspect and and then

01:17:56.560 taking the biological aspect and seeing like how like here's god's promise and then here's the

01:18:01.940 agency and the ways that you know or at least one of the agencies in the physical you know sense

01:18:06.100 you could objectively point to and say these people did this right so now they look like feel

01:18:11.940 like act like this right so my point is for all three of us um we're perfectly willing to admit

01:18:18.200 happy to admit that um it's new for us i say all that to build up to this um i i so it's not like

01:18:26.740 i've been saying this for 30 years i um there are guys right now who say there's only one race the

01:18:31.700 human race and and i say that uh to say i would have been one of those guys well okay i'm not

01:18:37.360 picking on those objectively true right there's only one humanity right it gets muddy because

01:18:43.480 it's like honestly it's kind of like talking i'm not trying to again i'm not trying to get a rise 0.83

01:18:48.140 We're trying to be really careful in this episode, but it's like talking about the Jews. 0.61

01:18:52.080 Religion, ethnicity, nation, you know what I mean? 0.99

01:18:55.320 We're talking about America.

01:18:57.120 There's so many of these topics that they're already touchy.

01:19:01.340 They're already controversial.

01:19:02.380 And what makes it even harder is race, but in what sense?

01:19:06.900 Jews as in the religion or the ethnicity?

01:19:08.980 I think we need a better word than race. 0.55

01:19:11.200 Because race has been, through the 1700s and 1800s, especially the 1800s,

01:19:16.760 It was not what you're talking about now, Wes.

01:19:18.980 Right.

01:19:19.500 You know, it's not what Calvin was talking about when he talked about the English race

01:19:22.380 and the Irish race and the Scottish race, right?

01:19:25.600 He saw three different roots of people.

01:19:28.460 He saw them as distinctly three races, which now we would say rice is white. 0.95

01:19:33.480 Right.

01:19:34.060 So that's the problem is getting at the beginning with the different tiers.

01:19:36.340 Yes.

01:19:36.820 And so race for the listener, someone asked me like, what do you mean by race?

01:19:40.660 Biology.

01:19:42.020 Biological differences.

01:19:43.640 Not just culture. 0.94

01:19:44.480 Not just culture.

01:19:45.400 ethnicity habit location like all these different things race is is truly biology what was passed

01:19:51.600 down what is prevalent hold up so you're saying um you weren't saying uh ethnicity is one of the

01:19:56.400 components you were saying you were giving two different categories so race is biology and then

01:20:01.220 you're saying ethnicity is just the layer on top of it that then how is that expressed how is that

01:20:07.600 modified that genetic milieu and then there's a lot of so so going back to what i was saying there's

01:20:11.440 a lot of modern guys so vodibachum is a great example um i i love vodibachum so i have not not

01:20:17.760 not a single negative thing to say but i think what he would say is he'd say there's only one

01:20:21.340 race but there are multiple ethnicities what you're saying is no there are multiple races

01:20:25.700 and multiple ethnicities to calvin's point different branches different groups but

01:20:31.440 vodibachum by race there he means species yes which there is only one species right and that's

01:20:37.880 and that's my point i think i think the term is difficult because it means so many things

01:20:42.700 because all of us all of us are different races we don't need to i don't think we need to invent

01:20:47.320 a new term but we just need to define our terms this is what the problem is the term has been

01:20:51.660 defined in culture differently than what we're necessarily saying now and so it's like when you

01:20:56.460 say i was west one of the first you don't know this i've never i've never told you it's one of

01:21:00.580 the first conversations that you and i had you said yeah i'm leaning more old earth and i went

01:21:06.720 away thinking like i didn't know that i don't like that at all and then i came back and i talked to

01:21:10.960 you and you were like yeah i think it's more like maybe 8 000 and not four to six thousand i was

01:21:15.540 speaking of an extended pre-noaa flood either way either way the point was like in popularly defined

01:21:22.640 old earth means billions and billions of years yes right so we have to acknowledge that when we

01:21:29.060 say race even if we define it that's not what everybody hears this is my point yep exactly but

01:21:35.120 someone mentioned the jews and i'll add this in there as another example uh there's a group of

01:21:41.760 people called the ashkenazi jews that claim to be the origins of the people that obviously god

01:21:45.960 blessed there's some of the highest rates of schizophrenia because of a genetic malfunction

01:21:49.740 in the dst gene which leads towards schizophrenic symptoms which include mental disorders difficulty

01:21:56.140 understanding reality like it's kind of an ironic like a people claim to be these who are

01:22:01.340 objectively not that they have higher rates of mental illness like talking about how dna and

01:22:07.360 that one's going to get clipped by right wing watch but but objectively the clinical literature

01:22:11.980 shows there's a group of distinct people that have these higher rates and so it's not just like

01:22:17.360 like you guys found the two examples of diet in this side or the other no it's because all

01:22:21.840 different people we can give multiple examples exactly yeah that and i think that is a good

01:22:25.320 example because you're talking about a group of people who um now the argument that you made and

01:22:30.180 i understand that that is technically my position and for anybody who wants you know that has to be

01:22:34.200 fleshed out thoroughly and i could one i could be wrong two uh see my published work and when i say

01:22:40.520 published work i don't mean uh peer-reviewed articles because i i just i'm not that guy

01:22:44.820 but i do have a nine-part you know podcast series with andrew isker on um israel and who are these

01:22:51.480 people how should we think about them what does the bible say and all and basically um our position

01:22:56.600 is that Romans 11 was ultimately fulfilled in AD 70, that it's not that God didn't keep his

01:23:01.120 promises, but there was a great spiritual revival. A bunch of people did come to faith in Jesus

01:23:05.180 among that generation that Jesus was actually speaking to in Matthew 24, 40 years later,

01:23:10.460 many of them still living with the destruction of the temple in Jerusalem and all these kinds

01:23:15.080 of things from Titus coming in, who later became emperor, that many people saw that. They saw Jesus

01:23:19.780 coming on the clouds, clouds signifying judgment like Joel 2, Isaiah. And so they saw that as

01:23:24.720 judgment language, not heavenly pretty clouds. And they realized, oh man, Jesus literally said not

01:23:29.360 one stone in the temple would stand on another. This is a fulfillment of the prophecies. We

01:23:33.400 crucified the son of God. He was right. We were wrong. And many actually did repent. And so God's 1.00

01:23:38.340 promise was not neglected. It actually was fulfilled, but it was fulfilled 1950 years ago.

01:23:43.680 And it's not a future promise today. So no future land promises and also not a future spiritual

01:23:48.100 revival. So then the question of course becomes, well, then who are these people? I don't think

01:23:52.340 that we need to this is back to michael's point like you can't just invent a new word when the

01:23:57.000 whole culture already you know so i'm not advocating for um that country over in the

01:24:01.020 middle east we should call it something besides israel right that's just not going to happen

01:24:04.280 that's just that would like i would devote my life to a an endless fruitless battle of trying 0.64

01:24:09.320 to change the name like that's just it's just dumb so for all intents and purposes they are

01:24:13.680 the jews i would just like to maintain uh whenever i'm able to clarify and define my terms um these 0.59

01:24:18.920 are not the israelites of the bible of antiquity right um these are a a new people called the jews

01:24:25.160 and and not new in the sense that they just sprung up you know in the last 50 years like

01:24:29.080 there are centuries um but here's the deal all the way back to what you said wes um if i'm right

01:24:35.440 about that um and richard baxter even um holds something so if you're wondering anybody in

01:24:41.840 antiquity hold that position um it is not the lion's share it's not the lion's share it's a

01:24:46.660 minority position um and i'm willing to admit that but um but guys today would be like jim you

01:24:51.840 know james jordan andrew riskier myself and and and other guys on the new christian right um but

01:24:57.500 then you know richard baxter would be one but with with that um if we're right then you're saying

01:25:02.980 uh so a people who are trying to trying to especially like ashkenazi jews they just

01:25:09.240 basically emerge about 600 or so ad in western europe or so so they'll kind of migrate north

01:25:16.080 they were very isolated so they didn't intermingle with outside groups that's one of the things that

01:25:19.940 can help mitigate certain genetic diseases they're in group they emerge nobody knows where about 600

01:25:25.080 years after the death of christ after the end of the disbursement of the judean people they just

01:25:30.560 emerge but this is a group then claiming continuity which really would probably be those that have

01:25:35.740 lived in the region since before that time they claim that continuity but then on an objective

01:25:40.600 level they have some of the highest rates of schizophrenia right of any people my point is

01:25:44.460 if you have a people that um are defined by many things as many as all peoples different peoples

01:25:49.380 are defined by much more than just one thing but there's at least two things not the only two

01:25:53.300 things but at least two things one claiming an identity that may not actually be theirs

01:25:57.080 and number two the identity that they're claiming they're also claiming um with their ideology and

01:26:03.240 religion of judaism um they're claiming a a unique and um explicit hatred of the lord jesus christ

01:26:11.300 right so if you so even if you aren't don't have the lineage actually tracking back to abraham

01:26:17.640 and first century you know jews um even if that's not the case if you're claiming to have that

01:26:23.980 lineage and saying you know and in some of your religious literature literally talks about jesus

01:26:28.600 you know being in hell right now burning in human excrement which is a teaching of the talmud so if

01:26:34.180 that's your if your people and your culture has been shaped by that religion and that ideology 0.99

01:26:39.220 we hate jesus he's burning in hell in excrement human excrement and also um you may not most 0.99

01:26:46.840 most jews wouldn't even be aware of this so it's not even conscience but but your heritage is 0.99

01:26:51.460 people who actually or at least possibly according according to our opinion which could be wrong but 0.58

01:26:56.000 actually hijacked an identity that wasn't actually theirs right and then you find out statistically

01:27:01.360 you also have um a disproportionately high degree of schizophrenia and for anyone who hates this

01:27:09.020 like this is just objectively in the literature like is is your legitimate position you shouldn't

01:27:13.960 know that like some of these some of these things come down to like differences in iq and this side

01:27:18.140 or the other it's not even like yeah this is true but we should do something different about it's

01:27:22.220 you shouldn't know that i'm uncomfortable that you're even aware of that fact but like this just

01:27:27.500 this is a well-known fact that has been clearly replicated it just is a reality of the world god

01:27:32.040 i want to jump on there one thing before we go to our break um this this really runs into a lot

01:27:39.160 of problems in health care because there are things that certain peoples are genetically

01:27:46.160 predisposed to and when health care systems treat blacks exactly the same as whites yeah there's a

01:27:53.640 lot of similarity but um when when they're unwilling to look at some of the genetic

01:27:59.460 predispositions that generally categorize um different you know blacks or whites or asians

01:28:05.520 or whatever or men and women or men and women 100 like it really runs into problems and we're 0.85

01:28:13.220 talking tangible real world problems simply because people have to run around like this

01:28:19.220 you know that's a good point yep um let's let's do this so we want to try to get to some of the

01:28:25.560 questions nathan i just uh in my peripheral i saw him the the cursor on the screen was just going

01:28:31.380 wild question about epigenetics yeah so so we'll get into some of that but there's three things

01:28:36.020 we need to do uh one we need to go to our last commercial break two we need to make sure that

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01:31:04.300 All right, we're going to get right to questions. We've got some great super chats.

01:31:07.400 the final thing i want to say people hate when we talk about this topic they say it's eugenics they

01:31:12.340 say it's racism like even just knowing and laying it out and being clear like hey here are the

01:31:17.220 differences but but here's the deal like these predispositions diabetes schizophrenia like

01:31:23.020 parabon all these different and there's many many many many many many more if you just if you don't

01:31:27.780 talk about them whatsoever you remove from people the option the hope of saying and it doesn't have

01:31:33.500 to be this way there are probably we have a number of viewers today some of them certainly

01:31:37.380 probably have type 2 diabetes and some of them could even be native american at the end of the

01:31:41.580 day you're going to have to eat healthy you're going to have to care about physical exercise

01:31:46.120 now knowing this knowing the predisposition that you could have because some won't even say it like

01:31:51.180 well you know everyone kind of has that risk for this we said hey this could be a risk factor these

01:31:55.840 are the things you need to do and you are at higher risk and you are at higher risk this is

01:32:00.400 more likely to happen to you cardiac all the time right you go in the doctors like you're at risk for

01:32:05.600 cardiac disease you need to it's just whenever we want to group them into certain peoples who are

01:32:10.960 more likely to have a predisposition then we start freaking out and here's the awesome thing the way

01:32:16.280 god has made the world dna methylation it is not something that happens one time and it's over you

01:32:22.140 get you get a certain set of genes and some are turned off they can be turned on by lifestyle

01:32:26.860 have hours and hours to go through the different diet and everything like that read books go

01:32:31.100 educate yourself you're here watching you have the internet you need to care about your health

01:32:35.060 but they can be turned back on if they're good ones that have been turned off by how your previous

01:32:39.340 generations lived and if they're bad ones they can be turned off by the way that you live and

01:32:44.540 you might not do all of it right go ahead and well i love that and not just for you

01:32:49.240 but it can make a difference for you a real difference for you right it can make um a

01:32:55.500 compounding significantly greater difference for your children and then even greater if they

01:33:01.980 continue it for your grandchildren greater childbearing right and and so but my point is

01:33:08.140 that just that rocked my world it's only been about a year when i thought you know i started

01:33:13.720 talking you know the last five years about you know with post-millennialism the great you know

01:33:17.900 post-millennial hope and and saying you know like we want to leave first and foremost a spiritual

01:33:22.600 inheritance to our children's children a good man a wise man leaves inheritance to his children's

01:33:27.000 children and about you know last five years i was like yeah and also poverty gospel prosperity

01:33:31.840 gospel is bad so is the poverty gospel we want to leave um in addition not as a substitute never a

01:33:37.760 substitute but in addition to a spiritual inheritance nothing less than that but more

01:33:42.400 than that we want to leave a monetary financial inheritance and i started talking about that over

01:33:48.340 the last five years and over the last one year i started realizing you know combining some of

01:33:54.040 these things west that we've been talking about today with scripture and i realized what if you

01:33:59.780 can actually leave a spiritual inheritance a financial inheritance wealth and even a physical

01:34:05.820 inheritance health right not that not that your offspring are going to live forever or anything

01:34:10.400 like that and not that god owes it to you he's still sovereign he allows for suffering and

01:34:14.680 sickness in the world your great-grandchildren you could love the lord your children love the

01:34:19.020 lord your grandchildren love the lord and your great-grandchildren love the lord and one of them

01:34:22.620 um is diagnosed with leukemia at two years old yeah like we're not we're not this is not the

01:34:28.280 prosperity gospel we're not it's not we're not negating those things yeah it's not a guarantee

01:34:33.220 but we're talking about statistics of likelihood of likelihood god's always sovereign and there

01:34:38.400 will always be tragedies and exceptions but we're talking about uh going with the overall general

01:34:44.400 grain. And when I realized, oh my goodness, this didn't, my point that I'm trying to make is this

01:34:49.920 did not take away from my faith in the word of God. It only strengthened my resolve. It made God's

01:34:55.660 word all the sweeter, all the truer, all the more authoritative to realize, whoa, what God has

01:35:01.680 promised in his word is actually applicable at every level, not just in a spiritual plane in

01:35:08.980 the 17th dimension but but it's it's applicable spiritually and eternally that's first and that's

01:35:15.280 ultimate but also financially and also even physically uh in terms of not just wealth but

01:35:21.200 also health that i that you know winston churchill you know could smoke cigars all day drink like a

01:35:29.100 fish take random naps wake up play with action figures methamphetamines during the war methamphetamines

01:35:35.540 during the war not sleep at night um call the war delicious and tell everyone i you know written

01:35:42.640 testimonies of how much he loved it refuse all the chances of peace i mean be an absolute be an 0.98

01:35:49.260 absolute maniac churchill was a maniac and he could be a maniac and not not just being a warmonger 0.82

01:35:54.620 which he was but but in addition to that i'm saying physically in terms of his diet and his 0.95

01:35:58.800 health habits and die at 90 how because he was standing on the bones of the english stock the

01:36:06.080 english stock of a like close to a thousand years or at least you know eight nine hundred years of

01:36:13.020 of practices uh both in diet and exercise and monogamy and sanitation and all these things

01:36:19.500 that were far superior at that time compared to multiple other peoples and cultures around the

01:36:26.020 world and so he took an inheritance right so a wise man leaves an inheritance to his children's

01:36:30.380 children and i'm saying that's spiritual first also financial also health and he um took that

01:36:36.860 inheritance and chose not to give it and shut all those genes down you know by he didn't have many

01:36:42.980 children did he or i don't know but i'm just saying based off of this research theoretically

01:36:47.180 he would have had all the wrong habits and he would have he would have taken that inheritance

01:36:52.360 And like the prodigal son, he would have lavishly spent a lot of it on, well, but I just, I want to live life to the forest and play with action figures and take naps and smoke cigars.

01:37:05.220 This brings something that I thought about earlier, and now it's back, so I'm going to say it.

01:37:11.480 Sometimes we look at the 90-year-old grandma.

01:37:13.420 I have a, my wife has a great aunt who, she drinks like three or four Dr. Peppers a day. 0.99

01:37:20.280 She eats French fries all the time.

01:37:22.360 you know she she's not she's she's she's in her 90s and she's still spry um and so you get these

01:37:29.020 examples or the guy that smokes three packs a day lives to 85 you know doesn't die of lung cancer

01:37:35.140 here's the point of all of this we need like the life of the christian is lived by faith

01:37:42.920 and part of this even is in spite of the fact that before i knew about epigenetics

01:37:48.000 I saw some people that bucked the trend you have two choices you can say well I'm going to choose

01:37:53.900 to live in an unhealthy way myself and God made it work out for them he's going to make it work

01:37:59.100 out for me or you say no no by faith God has said that the discipline the bodily exertion

01:38:05.480 and the being healthy and the honoring your parents and all of these things they go into

01:38:10.700 a healthy lifestyle are still important regardless of what I might see the 90 year old or the 85 year

01:38:17.040 grandma or grandpa doing we live by faith and so like like what part of what i'm trying to get at

01:38:24.040 is a lot of people are going to listen to what you said west and i you know i hear some of this stuff

01:38:27.960 a little bit because my wife's medical um but if you're just coming into this topic it's like oh

01:38:33.500 this is totally overwhelming part of it is like you can educate yourself this is an emerging field

01:38:39.640 I just bought a book on epigenetics that I'm working through.

01:38:43.120 But also, if you are simply faithful to obey the commands of God, of being healthy, providing,

01:38:52.320 desiring to leave a long life so that you can be a better steward, so you can see your

01:38:56.200 great-grandchildren and invest in them.

01:38:58.680 Like, part of this is people before they knew about epigenetics were doing this already.

01:39:03.660 Exactly.

01:39:03.960 simply because Christianity or even just natural law

01:39:07.000 informed how they lived, right?

01:39:10.680 This is not, even though it's verging on rocket science

01:39:13.420 at the technical level,

01:39:14.680 it's not rocket science in the practical level.

01:39:16.540 Well, to explain how it happens is rocket science.

01:39:18.800 Yes, yes.

01:39:19.040 But to know that simply what you should do

01:39:21.900 is not rocket science. 0.96

01:39:23.220 Unfortunately, breastfeeding is like, of course. 1.00

01:39:26.300 We do live in a system that's working 0.92

01:39:28.600 to provide counter narratives to all of this.

01:39:32.940 that is a reality right people are even people who think they're healthy can be living in very

01:39:38.120 unhealthy ways now because our our nation is is nuts right now but all right we've got a super

01:39:44.500 chat i'm gonna hit this one personally this is from philip nathaniel one of my best friends from

01:39:49.120 back home actually really good guy uh he says this first of all 50 thank you so much phil i

01:39:55.360 really appreciate that he said thank you for doing the lord's work my wife and i wonderful wife him

01:39:59.880 they got married i was in their wedding they were married young they said we're going to get married

01:40:03.520 we're going to start a family he said my wife and i are the fourth generation in our families of

01:40:07.480 divorce abuse and fatherlessness and i was on the front lines in when we were both friends younger

01:40:12.920 on to all that that went on we both committed to ending the generational sin with us god has been

01:40:18.140 good hey west thank you for this live stream thank you brother and god bless yeah that's a good one

01:40:23.620 a couple other super chats we'll start with some of these are from earlier and they were just uh

01:40:27.360 they weren't necessarily questioned so we didn't tackle them right away but granddad farms thank

01:40:30.640 you very much again for your generosity said uh ga from emmet idaho see uh see if you can get on

01:40:36.320 right wing watch with this episode we did our best i think well we actually did our best to be

01:40:42.440 careful yeah right but the subject matter is just so controversial that this this one might like we

01:40:48.100 might have like three or four clips on right wing watch or from probably christian yes you think

01:40:53.320 that's the same thing these days right wing watch is more charitable right like seriously when when

01:40:58.700 right wing watch clips me out they actually leave at least some of the context the most uncharitable

01:41:05.760 sinister i mean just really like just you can just tell it's just mean-spirited like where it's like

01:41:10.840 spliced up up up up up like and it's not even like just cut out of the overall context but it's like

01:41:16.040 three seconds then seven seconds and four seconds and like like just just deceitful just absolutely

01:41:21.420 deceitful right-wing watch uh the pagan kamala voters who aren't christians and hate christians

01:41:27.680 they wouldn't do that they have more integrity the only people who do that are um well like 0.65

01:41:33.840 unsupervised uh women tweeting sure is the name like it's seriously it's um it's it's women um

01:41:41.420 who profess to be followers of both genders of both genders that's right some of those women

01:41:46.100 have beards but but but in the for the most part it really actually is women in in the literal sense

01:41:52.220 um who claim to be christian and uh and actually are far more deceptive than uh a group like

01:42:00.940 right wing watch that's not christian the westminster catechism on the commandment to

01:42:04.900 not bear false witness against your neighbor is very strong in its prohibitions of all types of

01:42:09.620 defaming so any type of and maybe like well it's not slander that's literally what he said

01:42:14.800 deception falsehood obfuscation all of those things are strictly prohibited by the law of god

01:42:21.280 ben hofsteadler thank you so much 50 get that support going men it's in all caps keep it up

01:42:28.760 guys changing the world with your submission to the spirit men and women that's it only way there

01:42:32.920 is something produced through a union amen and one more micah timmons yep yep uh super chat 20

01:42:39.640 Thank you, Micah. He says, thank you, brothers, for your ministry. Greatly looking forward to

01:42:44.300 the conference. P.S., if you find any help or if you need, is what I think he's saying, any help

01:42:50.440 with tech at the conference, then let me know. And I guess that's his X handle. It's at

01:42:57.740 the1689wizard. Nathan, our tech whiz, make a note of that. If you do need any volunteers or help,

01:43:09.640 Micah Timmons, at the 1689 Wizard.

01:43:13.400 Thanks, Micah.

01:43:15.100 Let me hit the, this is a biochem question.

01:43:17.640 I'll hit it quick and then I can hand it to Neville.

01:43:20.040 Dolly0987, I'm a biochem student, biochemistry,

01:43:24.140 so this topic really interests me.

01:43:25.500 I don't disagree with anything said,

01:43:26.800 but I am curious if you are specifically referring

01:43:29.280 to epigenetics only, referencing epigenetics only,

01:43:32.240 or epigenetics and natural selection.

01:43:34.300 It is epigenetics and natural selection.

01:43:36.460 Natural selection happens much higher,

01:43:38.380 of a population level so like lactose for example people that could tolerate lactose were able to

01:43:44.460 have better nutrition and have more children and then their children were able to so it's kind of

01:43:48.380 natural selection high level think of epigenetics that's there are patterns for sure but also that's

01:43:54.700 much more like individual like me specifically passing on diabetes predisposition to study other

01:44:00.140 so it is natural selection and epigenetics for the record natural selection the christian is not

01:44:04.940 opposed to it that's not evolutionary biology that's just simply stating that the strong god

01:44:10.460 has made the world such that the strong survive and do better yep okay um any other good questions

01:44:19.580 nathan here's one from yeah that's a really interesting question neville says do you think

01:44:24.060 the renewing of the mind by the gospel does normally fulfill fully it does fully overcome

01:44:29.900 a genetic intelligence deficiency built up for generations of unbelief i'll answer this one

01:44:34.780 because i'm for for the three of us on this particular topic and let's be let's be real

01:44:40.760 on most topics i'm uh the moderate centrist between the three of us so this would be my

01:44:47.060 position and all three of us have talked about it a little bit on the podcast uh here and there

01:44:51.280 and we've talked about it you know just as friends offline uh multiple times and with other men in

01:44:55.300 our church because it's fascinating and it's a question that you're gonna have to answer i

01:44:59.280 understand that some of you know some of the other pastors and christian youtubers and influencers

01:45:03.820 are are going to say you're racist and you're hitler and you're you know what none of us none

01:45:09.780 of us are hitler fans um we just also don't think that uh we need to define everything in the world

01:45:15.660 for all of time based off of hitler we think that that's part of why we're that's what the

01:45:20.300 post-war consensus in a nutshell is is everything i don't like is hitler like why can we not have

01:45:25.220 nice things. Well, because 80 years ago, there was a German dude who did X, Y, and Z. No, you're 0.93

01:45:30.600 allowed to have nations. They're allowed to be independent and sovereign. You don't have to have

01:45:34.140 gay globalism. You can have hierarchy where there's still equality under the law and everybody's still

01:45:39.340 made in the image of God. In the eternal sense, you have equal worth and dignity, but you still

01:45:43.000 recognize disparities and differences because God didn't create a homogenous world, but he created

01:45:48.240 a world with beauty. And part of that beauty is with distinctions and distinctions naturally

01:45:52.500 create disparities and disparities don't always necessitate injustice but it could just be rooted

01:45:57.960 in god's created order and all these kind of things you could do all that believe it or not

01:46:01.760 and uh and not even know how to speak german i would be a point in case um so all that being said

01:46:09.020 um there's that uh but but a lot of guys are just they're not going to be able to not going to be

01:46:15.180 able to go there and and these guys are going to become obsolete they are and and i don't it just

01:46:19.380 i want to be really clear i don't want that i'm not celebrating that at all i mourn that um there

01:46:24.900 are there are guys who i i would like to have a strong christian voice for for decades to come i

01:46:30.980 really would but um but here's the deal um we you think oh we're american free speech no we have not

01:46:38.060 had freedom for decades especially when it comes to information and speech and things being

01:46:43.120 suppressed and all around the world right now whether it's jd vance's speech in europe you know

01:46:48.100 um and and uh in germany you see like they're like did you share a meme you're going to jail

01:46:53.980 you know like i mean like yeah it's real and um and you've got pastors like ministers like

01:47:00.140 and i'm not trying to open the can of worms and redo this but but you know i won't say the name

01:47:05.740 so for those of you who aren't privy to this story it doesn't at least doesn't involve new you know

01:47:09.600 new people coming into some gossip thing but but with some of the controversy that i i recently

01:47:14.800 went through um there was a guy you know who uh you know he he explicitly said i i don't think

01:47:22.020 that um we should have free speech in in certain regards and i i do think that the state should

01:47:28.180 crack down with legal penalties on um somebody who questions the number of the holocaust or

01:47:35.060 something like that and this is a christian pastor a reformed pastor and and he's saying it as though

01:47:39.460 it's like like just the gospel truth like of course and how could you joel be so racist to

01:47:44.960 think otherwise you know and and i got in big trouble for i got in big trouble for um having

01:47:51.540 a differing opinion from the opinion that um you know the gospel of of six million and not one less

01:47:57.640 and and if it is one less uh you're going to jail uh like i got in big trouble for that and uh and

01:48:05.120 it wasn't even something that i was espoused but defending a minute a man in my church and so um so

01:48:09.760 my point is faithful ministers including that minister i i think is largely faithful i'm not

01:48:13.620 so i'm not trying to disparage anybody the point is that a lot of guys good guys uh good guys um

01:48:19.400 they can't they can't go here and uh but the world is going here the world is and we don't want to go

01:48:25.760 with the world to appease the world uh but but we do want to explore and say but is there anything

01:48:30.400 that all truth is god's truth is there anything that is actually god's truth here because if there

01:48:36.620 is then we want to be able to say no the bible actually addresses this there's actually a

01:48:40.560 christian answer to this there's a christian alternative uh with this um and and not just

01:48:46.900 put our heads in the sand and pretend that it's not there and hope it goes away and so

01:48:52.240 all that being said my point is that um

01:48:54.680 and and looking into these things i'm what i'm trying to do is with everything i'm trying to

01:49:01.060 like like the bereans test everything with the word of god test everything with the word of god

01:49:05.080 and that being my my final arbiter um so looking at natural revelation and realizing that um okay

01:49:11.200 this this is god's world he made the world and there are true things that we can observe and

01:49:14.700 those things um if they're really true they won't contradict the word of god and so looking at those

01:49:19.160 things. Um, and the position that I've landed on for about a year now, um, where I'm at, and I

01:49:25.580 could be wrong. I could be wrong. Um, put that on my epitaph. Here lies Joel Webbing. He could be

01:49:30.900 wrong. Um, but the, the position that I've landed at as of now is I think that, um, I think that

01:49:38.980 the gospel really can change everything. Uh, but slowly is basically how I would say it. So back

01:49:47.120 to the question, Neville says, do you think the renewing of the mind by the gospel does normally

01:49:51.980 fully overcome a genetic intelligence deficiency built up for generations of unbelief? It's a

01:50:02.300 great question. And I like the way you worded Neville. It's well-ordered. Yeah, Neville's

01:50:05.060 thinking, so everything I'm saying, he already gets. It's clear that he gets it from the question.

01:50:09.860 um what i would say is um i think significantly i would say significantly i'm inclined to think

01:50:17.820 fully but i definitely would feel comfortable saying significantly but here's the caveat i

01:50:22.040 would add over generations so no i don't think that you can come from a um a people who for a

01:50:30.440 thousand years um were uh sexually uh not monogamous um using substance abuse and worshiping

01:50:40.060 demons um violent violent um promiscuous um no no system of sanitation um your diet is uh instead

01:50:55.220 of eating cows and cooking them, you use cow dung, you know, in your diet. I don't think you 0.99

01:51:01.760 can come from that being your ancestry. And then in five years, you know, or even 20 years in one

01:51:11.060 generation in your personal life, fully, trying to answer the question, fully overcome all of the

01:51:19.140 genetic deficiencies and how that might affect things like intelligence or whatever, all in the

01:51:24.640 course of one generation. I do think that you can say, the curse has stopped with me. As for me and

01:51:31.200 my house, we're going to serve the Lord. And then you just try to be the faithful servant. If you

01:51:35.640 have five talents or two talents or one, if the master is only in his providence, has only given

01:51:40.100 you and your house one talent, then don't be like the wicked servant. What made him wicked wasn't

01:51:44.920 being given one talent. What made him wicked was that the one talent he had, he didn't put in

01:51:49.080 service of the master. So take your one talent, take whatever you got, right? If you have a lower

01:51:54.420 lifespan, it's like, I'm only going to have, you know, 70 years of life instead of 85 or 60 years

01:51:58.640 of life or whatever, or I have an 85 IQ instead of 100 or 120. You take your intelligence, you

01:52:07.260 take your life, you take your gifts, you take whatever the master gave you, because he gave

01:52:11.980 you something. You have breath in your lungs. He gave you something. The master has been generous

01:52:16.480 to everyone. There's not one person on this planet that Jesus hasn't been generous to.

01:52:21.120 And he's been generous even to the poorest of the poor. We all, because the only thing we deserve

01:52:25.220 is help. Anything more than that is generosity from the master. So he has been generous with

01:52:31.200 you. You take whatever generosity he has given you and you don't get bitter. You don't get angry

01:52:36.280 by comparing it to his other servants and saying, well, he gave me less. You take your lot. The

01:52:41.160 lines have fallen for me in pleasant places. What makes it pleasant is not the objective

01:52:46.440 place where the lines have fallen. What makes it pleasant is trusting that the lines have

01:52:50.600 sovereignly fallen and that the Lord is the one who laid them there, that it's his doing,

01:52:54.720 and that it's marvelous in our sight, that he's good, that he's just, that he's kind,

01:52:58.360 and that he's working all things according to the counsel of his will for the good of those

01:53:02.380 who love him and are called according to his purposes. You believe that. You take that to

01:53:08.660 the bank and you say, the generational curses end with me. As for me and my house, we will serve

01:53:13.680 the Lord with whatever we have, however much, however little. And will it fully, can the curse

01:53:21.220 fully be undone even at a genetic level? I'm talking about even IQs increasing. Yes, I think

01:53:27.580 so, but probably not in your lifetime. Probably not just with you. If you're sitting on a thousand

01:53:32.500 years of demon worshipers and pagan ancestry and no sanitation and substance abuse and promiscuity 0.97

01:53:41.120 and cannibalism and all these things, then it can happen for you and your posterity. But it'll

01:53:47.760 happen for you and your posterity the same way it happened with other cultures like European

01:53:51.940 cultures. They had to turn and convert and follow Jesus and do so faithfully and patiently over

01:53:59.560 generations and generations and generations that's that's my position and if if that's if that's

01:54:07.600 racist well then number one then then then racist just then we just all need to admit that the word

01:54:13.360 just doesn't mean anything um it's then if if that's how you define racism then racism really

01:54:20.000 isn't a sin number two um if that really is um you're going to say well okay well i'll use a

01:54:26.800 different word but that's you know whatever that's ethnic you know animus or what um

01:54:30.760 guys you are um you it's it's like a computer program deleting itself

01:54:40.520 you you you have just rendered yourself completely and utterly obsolete um that world i understand

01:54:51.900 that like for especially for those who are older you grew up in that world the world where um

01:54:57.720 the world of USAID where everything where nature is artificially suppressed or inflated by billions

01:55:06.140 and billions of dollars and programs and systems and three-letter agencies by the dozens who hide

01:55:13.400 these sources and give you this made-up sources and manipulate and the propaganda of having just

01:55:19.040 a few news stations that they all work in concert with that guys i'm the boomer world is over

01:55:26.980 it's over um you you will not be able to survive with the uh with the principles that you once had

01:55:36.600 that used to be you know they used to be workable effective principles they are not going to work

01:55:42.860 in this new world and i'm telling you this new world it's scary in a sense it's it can be

01:55:47.660 intimidating it can be daunting who knows like jesus please you know jesus take the wheel please

01:55:52.200 like lead it in a christian direction because you can veer to the right and towards nature and it

01:55:57.120 doesn't necessarily it doesn't necessitate that it's christian it can be a pagan nationalism it

01:56:01.680 can be a pagan you know new new right whatever it can be islamic um the verdict's still out whether

01:56:07.260 or not it will be christian and a lot of that has is up to you know ultimately the sovereignty of

01:56:12.680 God, but in terms of agency, to Christians. Are we going to accept the providence of God and

01:56:19.780 celebrate even what he's doing and say, it's good that we can have free speech. It's good

01:56:25.320 that lies and manipulation and propaganda are being exposed every day. A new story of these

01:56:31.500 things being exposed. It's good that the billions of dollars that are going to fund programs in

01:56:36.680 Pakistan that lie about nature and try to brainwash people and indoctrinate people, 1.00

01:56:41.920 that they're being canceled it's good it's good it's good but here's the deal here's kind of the 1.00

01:56:46.960 the consequences of that well on one hand um then crazy progressive leftists aren't going to be able

01:56:54.820 to do very well in this new world but also even your neocon boomer post-liberal egalitarianism

01:57:04.520 egalitarian neo-christianity also won't do very well because this next generation they have the

01:57:12.300 whole world's information in their pocket generation z is going to look at you pastor

01:57:18.620 and they're going to say i like him he's a nice guy you know i i don't have anything against him 0.95

01:57:25.440 but he's either lying or or he's dumb and in either case neither of those look i can't follow

01:57:33.920 him you know like i can you know 15 years from now i can come and visit him and bring him cookies in 0.97

01:57:40.080 the nursing home you know and like but i can't but he can't be my leader he can't lead me because 0.82

01:57:45.240 he's either ignorant or deceitful and so all these things are going to come out the fact that people

01:57:51.860 are different is going to come out it's already coming out so then the question is can the 0.96

01:57:57.860 Christian run into that space without fear, without guilt, but with a Bible in his hand,

01:58:04.400 with courage in his heart, and with the blood of Jesus atoning for his sin, and all the sins of

01:58:10.900 his past, and any generational sins of ancestors, and say, I'm forgiven. I'm innocent in the sense

01:58:17.120 of my positional justification, my positional righteousness. I'm forgiven. I'm blameless.

01:58:22.460 I have the Bible as my ultimate arbiter, my guide, and I'm courageous because the righteous

01:58:28.780 are as strong as lions, and I'm going to run into this space with all this new information

01:58:34.060 that's been hidden by nefarious people for a very long time, and I'm going to trust that

01:58:40.320 the Spirit of God is within me, He'll give me the words, and that in His Word, in His

01:58:46.020 written Word, there are explanations that none of this undoes Christianity.

01:58:50.060 it might undo uh 20th century christianity judeo-christianity judeo-christianity is

01:58:56.420 certainly going to be undone but um none of this undoes christianity and in fact as i look at the

01:59:02.400 bible and in conjunction with the bible as i read the bible alongside um theologians and pastors who

01:59:08.200 are older than just the last you know 50 60 70 80 years when i look at the bible and i look at

01:59:14.540 calvin and i look at turretin and i look at this guy and this guy and this guy um oh they they had

01:59:21.660 answers for all of this this is just historic christianity and none of these guys were racist

01:59:27.600 bigots they were just i'll tell you they were who cares your fathers your fathers were better than

01:59:35.220 you they were better than you um our fathers are like and we have been breaking the fifth

01:59:45.620 commandment and dishonoring our fathers for decades in the west calling them all a bunch

01:59:52.080 of bigots calling them all a bunch of racists uh saying well they're good on soteriology but even

01:59:57.280 when we reprint their books we'll do secret revisions and take some of their words out of

02:00:01.480 and not even tell people talking about reform publishing companies now um and you know and 0.98

02:00:07.900 and we'll read them on soteriology but we'll tell everyone they're stupid when it comes to 0.93

02:00:12.180 political philosophy and they didn't know they they were better than you not just on soteriology 0.86

02:00:17.620 it's not just oh we can learn from their soteriology because they were better here

02:00:20.760 no they were better than you on everything on everything turns out it's taken me years to

02:00:27.880 figure that out but basically taking me about i'm 38 years old it's taken me about four decades to

02:00:32.660 realize um one consistent truth one common thread that runs through everything um our generation 0.58

02:00:40.580 sucks and um we are the lesser sons of uh former better sires and the best that we can do in a 0.69

02:00:51.320 large sense what we're talking about is like if you're this guy then you know the the best that 0.95

02:00:54.640 you can do is say well the buck stops with me and i'm going to turn the tide well at a macro level

02:00:58.540 at a corporate pastoral level um that's that's kind of that's that's really the story for our

02:01:06.080 entire generation for all of us even the best and the brightest of us we all um the mighty have

02:01:12.660 fallen the apple has has fallen and rolled far from the tree every single one of us even the

02:01:17.680 best and the brightest we all pale in comparison to these titans that came before us because

02:01:24.500 we have been walking in rebellion against the lord and so we should run to this new space

02:01:32.980 not be intimidated by new information that's actually just old observable information that's

02:01:39.300 now no longer being suppressed and is now coming to the for uh to the forefront and then we should

02:01:45.940 run to it with courage run to it with um with with a a forgiven clear conscience and run to it

02:01:52.320 with the word of god and run to it with older better fathers fathers in the faith um before

02:02:00.220 world war ii um before liberalism um and step into that space take our one talent our generation

02:02:09.880 with the one talent that we have we're not a five talent generation take our one talent

02:02:13.780 don't bury it in the sand because we don't want to be icky and cold you know marxist terms instead

02:02:21.840 take the one talent even if all we have is one put it to work and trust that the lord will be

02:02:27.000 faithful and bless it and that our great grandchildren that they'll have they'll be a

02:02:31.840 five talent generation again and that one day we will have calvins again and luther's again um

02:02:38.200 that's kind of taken me a long time to figure that out but macro picture that's that's where

02:02:44.120 i'm at so to answer your question neville um yeah i i would go so far as to say even fully

02:02:49.340 definitely significantly and i'd like to think fully um that the curse of sin and and and dozens

02:02:58.120 of sinful rebellious generations can be undone even as that curse affects biology in the body

02:03:04.940 but over time that's the one qualifier i would add to it but that shouldn't discourage us

02:03:12.120 even if it's planting trees whose shade will never sit under i think somebody said something

02:03:19.840 about that once upon a time sounds like a good thing so so let's do it let's do it okay next

02:03:26.140 there's three questions maybe we can hit them quickly can we trust the literature who is behind

02:03:30.860 the literature that's a fair question scientific studies there's lies there's uh what is lies

02:03:36.560 damned lies and statistics it is it is with scientific literature totally possible uh but

02:03:42.160 when you get to dozens and dozens of studies observing something that doesn't contradict 0.99

02:03:46.160 with common sense and how god made the world i'm much more willing to trust that than you know some

02:03:53.360 magical study that says formula is better for babies than breastfeeding right well you know

02:03:57.520 let me let me see the author list what are your thoughts on generational sin curses i don't think

02:04:01.600 there nobody is generationally cursed to be poor right so you're you're mailing money to the

02:04:07.900 televangelist break the generational curse of poverty no what some of what we're talking about

02:04:12.440 could be considered right generational it passes on for generations and it's a result of sin right

02:04:17.700 now it's there's certainly no curse that it will always be this way that a given people group will

02:04:21.620 always have a predensity predisposition to diabetes so curse eternally it's always going to be there

02:04:27.120 no generational sin that has an effect see the whole rest of the episode yeah that does exist

02:04:31.580 yeah michael you got it in right at the end so i don't know real quick so this is a super chat

02:04:36.200 from michael um i'm going to do this one so michael i really appreciate this and just we have

02:04:41.820 been in so much hot water um that i just i'm not going to read it exactly the way that you wrote

02:04:46.740 it but i'm going to answer the question for you um it is a good question it's a fair question i

02:04:51.540 don't think there's you know i don't think you're wrong in asking it um because it makes sense but

02:04:57.060 just so that I'm not publicly on record saying exactly what you said here. I'm just going to

02:05:03.840 answer the question for you and you'll know what I mean. So Michael writes, how much of the blame

02:05:08.080 for this Judeo-Christianity and some of the more kind of post-war consensus, Neo-Christianity

02:05:16.940 thoughts and sentiments, how much of this should be blamed on the legacy of, and then he puts a

02:05:24.280 particular name here, but some of the older, well-known ministers and ministries that many

02:05:33.780 of our listeners would know if I named them. I would just, I would say for the guys who are

02:05:42.380 currently living today, I wouldn't give them a ton of blame. I really wouldn't. Because I think

02:05:48.660 it it kind of i think it started in some sense before them um i i think that in many ways uh

02:05:56.520 they had a choice they had an opportunity to stem the tide and in many ways instead they doubled

02:06:02.160 down and perpetuated um many of the lies and and the problems that we're now facing um but i don't 0.70

02:06:10.300 I don't think it's, um, I'm hard on the boomers. You guys know that. Um, I tried to, there have

02:06:20.300 been episodes where, where I have actually gone to some pretty intentional great lengths to honor

02:06:24.840 boomers, believe it or not, just those parts don't get clipped up and go viral. Um, but I'll say

02:06:30.820 this. Um, I think the boomers made some, uh, some catastrophic mistakes that, um, that, that have 0.80

02:06:37.800 just absolutely destroyed um the the welfare and and the the likelihood of viability of future 1.00

02:06:47.400 generations in the west and especially here in america i think i just think that's undeniable

02:06:51.900 um however i everybody's a product of place and time no nobody does their whole nobody lives life

02:07:00.340 or does theology or any of these things in a vacuum we're all product of place and time

02:07:05.260 the boomers were not the first generation they didn't they didn't they're not adam and eve they

02:07:09.960 didn't come out of the garden they weren't created in a state of innocence or a state of integrity

02:07:13.800 um and then willfully fall and everything starts with them um the the boomers there's generations

02:07:20.880 before them there's and so i mean even like the greatest generation i don't want to pick on them

02:07:27.280 either but a bunch of people went to fight wars and um and then came back and pretty much decided

02:07:37.640 that uh they had seen so many atrocities in these wars they pretty much decided that the

02:07:43.700 that the world was was fundamentally broken and could never really be fixed and like a lot of

02:07:50.920 your dispensational is it like schofield predates you know world war one world war two and i

02:07:55.120 understand that 150 years with dispensationalism and 80 years you know if you're thinking of like

02:07:59.480 world war ii but world war ii and the aftermath and the and the and the disposition the psychological

02:08:06.000 frame that these men came back with their wives who were trying desperately to hold down the

02:08:11.640 fort and you know while they were gone and when they came back um they they just the ones who did

02:08:20.240 come back the ones who did come back right and then think about all the children who grew up

02:08:24.040 without fathers like they they just they they they were like yeah that like i post-millennialism

02:08:31.420 was pretty hard to believe in 1945 yeah you know that the world's getting better and the christ

02:08:37.460 is running now yeah yeah like when when that's like that's your life and so a lot of people just

02:08:44.680 came back defeated like world war ii is like well thank god germany lost everybody lost that war

02:08:51.260 in my opinion everybody lost that war um and i'm not saying that we should have teamed up with the 0.57

02:08:58.280 germans and fought against the bolshevik the bolsheviks were terrible i think stalin was 0.98

02:09:01.940 worse than hitler that's my opinion you guys have heard me say it but they were i think they were 0.95

02:09:05.760 both bad guys um and personally i think america should have stayed out of it that's my political

02:09:12.160 historic opinion but the point is everybody got involved a a it was kind of it was in some sense

02:09:19.080 similar to like putin and zelinski you know it's like with you know like poland and what's going

02:09:23.600 on here and hitler wanting to invade and um it should not in the same way that i've been like

02:09:29.120 this thing needs to end with ukraine and russia and this is not the world's problem right it's

02:09:35.600 their problem um that's kind of how i feel about about world war ii but but that one

02:09:42.100 churchill made it the world's problem he did he forced that he's like everyone is going

02:09:48.340 to deal with this because the right it's the great britain you know the the empire for which

02:09:55.220 the the sun never sets well the sun kind of was setting on great britain and uh and they didn't

02:10:00.960 really like it and um and they needed to they weren't just caring about virtue and all the

02:10:07.060 principles there was some of that but there was also a sense of no germany like we're the superpower

02:10:12.260 of europe we're great britain germany can't supersede us and so this thing became a global

02:10:17.860 affair and here's the deal everybody lost every every country lost our country we lost probably

02:10:23.480 the least right because just geographically we were removed and so we had less to rebuild part

02:10:28.240 of the reason why america became quickly a superpower just economically was all of europe

02:10:33.040 was was on fire all of europe was in shambles and we were we were hurting too but we had less

02:10:40.360 to rebuild than all these other european countries so anyways my point is um even the greatest

02:10:45.940 generation which again i don't want to disparage those guys at all but even like the greatest

02:10:50.720 generation in some sense you can make an argument that um that the greatest generation is also uh

02:10:57.180 the founding generation of pessimism eschological pessimism that the world will only get worse and

02:11:02.880 worse and worse and then they give to the boomers their eschatology but then coupled with a ton of

02:11:10.740 just tangible you know temporal luxuries and so the world's only going to get worse and worse and

02:11:16.080 worse and there's not much that you can do about it and the only thing that you can do you can't

02:11:19.680 really fix things at a cultural level civilizational level but you just do evangelism so then the

02:11:24.940 boomers made a ton of money with all these tech you know booms and innovation and but then didn't

02:11:33.360 put it into cathedrals and long works they thought jesus was going to come back next week and so they

02:11:37.780 put it into the only thing that seemed to them to matter with that kind of eschatology, if Jesus is

02:11:42.520 coming back relatively soon, evangelism and global missions. And then their own kids all went to

02:11:49.220 public school and then grew up and became new atheists. And yeah, it's just, it's all a wreck.

02:11:58.940 It's all a wreck. So my point is just to say, to answer the question, I know it's long-winded,

02:12:03.040 But Michael, it's a thoughtful question.

02:12:06.820 Don't blame me for asking it.

02:12:08.220 It's a good question.

02:12:10.180 But I guess what I would say in terms of the person that you named specifically and his ministry, and then others like him, because he is kind of a stand-in.

02:12:19.340 He's a good guy to name.

02:12:20.220 He's representative of a lot of other ministries of that generation, of the boomer generation, Christian ministries.

02:12:27.800 Yeah, I think everybody, nobody's absolved, right?

02:12:30.980 See what I said earlier.

02:12:31.840 So I'm not absolved. 0.95

02:12:33.040 okay well boomers are also therefore morally culpable and responsible but nobody no generate 0.74

02:12:38.900 no individual and no generation of individuals um just sprouted out of the ether or was forged

02:12:45.460 in a vacuum everyone's product and place were all in a stream and this generational stream that's

02:12:51.620 the whole point of today's episode i think i think this comes full circle but the whole point is like

02:12:55.980 there was a stream that was already moving and it was a positive stream of chrysidum and it got off

02:13:01.420 the rails um but it didn't just get off the rails in 1970s and 80s with the boomers or the 60s you

02:13:10.060 know as their young 20s you know in the sexual revolution it got more off the rails and i would

02:13:15.100 argue significantly so but it was already off the rails and you could argue with the greatest

02:13:19.360 generation and their pessimism and feeling defeated and all these kinds of things like

02:13:22.800 the world was broke and it can never really be fixed and you can argue all the way back to the

02:13:26.540 enlightenment and like the it was a positive stream there was a negative stream that negative 0.52

02:13:31.320 stream the fount head of that negative stream is not the boomers that wouldn't be fair uh the

02:13:36.760 boomers might be where that fount in the stream all of a sudden uh goes into a a surging waterfall

02:13:42.920 you know and picks up speed joined together made a big river yeah that the boomers might might

02:13:48.040 be representative of that the this the currents of the stream picking up force significantly but

02:13:54.600 it's not uh the head of the stream it's not um the yeah that that would not be fair so okay that's

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