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In this episode, we discuss genetics, faithfulness, and godly living, and how all of it matters. Join us for this special episode where we dig deep on genetics and Godly living. This episode is brought to you by our premier sponsors, Armored Republic and Reese Fund, as well as our patrons and faithful donors.
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But it affects more than psychology or experience.
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It affects us at a genetic level, and the impact of these events and patterns is measurable
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Living well, including eating well, living in chastity, staying active, and avoiding
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toxins and their impact is not just something that will affect you, not even just your children,
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but it has the potential to affect untold thousands of your future descendants.
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Join us for this special episode where we dig deep on genetics.
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faithfulness, godly living, and how all of it matters.
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Welcome back. Here we are. It is Wednesday afternoon. For those of you who are new to the
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stream, we live stream three times a week on Monday, Wednesday, and Friday at 3 p.m. Central
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time with myself, and we also have Michael Belch, and we also have Wesley Todd. Now,
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today's episode, as you just saw in the cold open, is going to be dealing with some things
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that are important, that we believe the Bible addresses, but that are highly controversial
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for our culture today, especially within the church. We are going to address some things
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that the evangelical church has said are not allowed. You're simply not allowed to go there,
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kind of like Simba and Mufasa. What's that dark shadowy place over there? That's the subject of
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race and you must never go there. But we are going to go there and by God's grace, we're going to do
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it carefully, but we're going to do our best to do it courageously and truthfully. And we're going
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to try to do it using as much of the scripture and also as much natural revelation of what we have
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data as possible. This is an episode, just to be frank, that I would not feel comfortable doing by
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myself. And so I'm glad, I'm very, very relieved and grateful that I have both Michael and Wes
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with us today. Wes has outlined this episode. Real quick, you've said it in the past, but if
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we have new listeners just for this particular episode, what are your bona fides? There was a
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comment already from classic troll and he said i guarantee none no one in this lot has an education
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biology behind high school so went to columbia university for neuroscience behavior for my
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undergrad oh troll oh oh getting known the biology parts you the neuroscience behavior is the psych
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part and then the neuroscience is the biology part the two classes there uh dr deborah mausiewicz
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she teaches them both the regard as some of the hardest biology classes in the nation of which i
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did both of them. So that was my undergraduate neuroscience and behavior. And now I have my
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master's degree, master's in public health epidemiology and epidemiology for the record
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is a study of diseases and traits among people groups as a whole. So the micro level biology,
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and then the macro level, I hate credentialism, but if it comes down to it, I have the credentials
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like Paul, I'll say like, no, I have a degree in my mind to speak like this, but allow little
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fool's talk. I have a degree in these things. And so that's why I'm qualified to talk about it.
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I think I even took the, what do they call them?
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I think you're qualified to lead this one off then.
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So Wes is going to be, he's outlined this episode.
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I've been thinking about this for quite a while, but Wes has done a lot of the research and the
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heavy lifting, and we're going to make sure that we're looking to God's book of nature that he's
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written, that he's sovereign over, but making sure that ultimately, in this sense, I would still
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define myself as presuppositional. In what sense? Because every time I disagree with someone, I just
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recite Romans 1. No. Presuppositional in the sense that at the end of the day, I'm going to appeal to
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logic and nature and these things, but I know that these things ultimately have authority and
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that they are trustworthy, incredible because of the Word of God. To me, the heart of
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presuppositionalism is when you peel back behind this and this and this and this and you get to
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the very bottom. What is the bottom? Is it nature or is it the inspired Word of God? And I believe
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it is the Word of God. So I can look to nature and learn things that God has said through nature.
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but the reason I can trust my sense perceptions and I can trust things that I see in nature as
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an orderly world and not just chaotic or random is because the Bible tells me so. The Bible tells
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me so. So we are going to be looking at a lot of studies, and we're going to be relying on
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Wes's expertise, and we're going to be doing our best at the very same time to root these things
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singles event and register for that. So, that's pretty much, that's all of our talking shop. I
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think we're ready to dive in. All right. The best way I know to illustrate this, we've talked about
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this before. This is the field of epigenetics. So genetics, epi meaning above, above genetics,
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what's going on that affects them. The best way I know to do this is to literally illustrate it
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and to talk about real life case examples. That's what we're going to spend most of the episode
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doing. But before I do that, it's necessary to just, there is a notion going around. I don't
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know who said it. Oh, wait, every evangelical, that race is not real. Race comes from this idea
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of a fountainhead. And when we describe race, what we're just, we're really getting at is really
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ancestor. Now, if you could show this chart when you get back into the office, this is
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the best way I know to illustrate it because it can be hard to conceptualize of streams of people
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and they break off and they form new populations, new groups or whatever, and they carry on
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different traits. So this is what's called a phylogenic tree. And what a phylogenic tree
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could do, if you imagine the first dogs that got off Noah's Ark, imagine there was one canine,
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right? That class of mammal canine. Well, that dog went on to break into bigger and smaller breeds.
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Now, you could speak of terrier, and then you could speak of some of the smaller ones.
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But within those two groups, there's then groups of five, six, seven, eight, nine.
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And then even within terrier, within lab, within all of these different ones, there
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And all of those would be because maybe you take a bulldog from England, and you brought
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it over to America, and that then became the American bulldog.
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Adam and Eve were the first man and the first woman, and all men and women come from them.
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and so everything about what makes us human ultimately originated in them and we experienced
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what was called a bottleneck at noah so in the story of noah as we see god floods the earth and
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he wipes out all but roughly three sons their wives maybe a couple other people knowing his wife
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about eight people so you have tons of genetic data and everything when you say maybe you mean
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definitely eight persons in all do they have kids at the time nope that's what i'm getting persons
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in all yeah all right so first peter so you get all the way down to that amount and from then his
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suns then spread out and they fill the earth and it would look kind of something like this
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so all i've done is here illustrated this isn't necessarily this part from a study this is for
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example the european phylogenic tree of the different races that would comprise europeans
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a big one is the germanic peoples then you had the romance peoples the slavics this would be
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more in eastern europe celtic all of that and there's more that i haven't mentioned there's
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more that goes down of course europeans and africans and asians as big groups but the point
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is you can get as small or as big as you want this is what is tough i get why people say like
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they don't like race because like what's the difference between an anglian and a saxon so
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these are both english individuals that came from a germanic peoples and they resided in different
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areas historically like are they different races in the same way like germans and um like russians
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are like well not as much then difference from europeans and africans is even bigger
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there's not necessarily like strict hard and fast rules but if we get back to the idea of that word
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race fountainhead is referring to different peoples that came from different origins that
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settled in different areas and formed distinct peoples now you can pull up this chart the graph
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two chart games out of control this week all these little dots on here i made for the record
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wow wow wow so let's imagine right here on the left you have imagine each one of these dots it's
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it's talking about 10,000 people. And this, the common ancestors occupied one space.
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Each one of the arrows. 10,000 people. Dots, arrows. Each of these represents a large number
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of people. And at one time, all of these people on the right, which is as time goes on,
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they all originated from a smaller core group. And that smaller core group shared a lot of the
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similar characteristics. Maybe it was characteristics like height and intelligence and skin color
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and all of that but then you had one people as you can see there that maybe migrated north and
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they went to a different climate and then the people down there that maybe experienced war and
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then when that war ended there's two people split off but you can begin to see there in the colors
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that differences arise that people that once had one set of traits on the whole on average no longer
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share them with the people that they once did the environment events things that happen diet this
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that or the other change somewhat of their composition. A great example of this, I want
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to illustrate it on the ground, is the LCT gene, which allows adults to process lactose. So normally
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the ability to process lactose goes away as a child gets older and weans. They simply don't
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need that milk anymore. But in especially northern European peoples, it became a very advantageous
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trait to have. So there was not a lot of food going around. But what they could do, even adults
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who had this gene was drink cow's milk because they'd be able to process the lactose and so now
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there are different groups of people in the world some of them can process lactose i destroy about a
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half gallon of milk a day literally like it's it's a great source of calories protein protein shakes
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all of that i can process it other people's can't and if you and if you it's mind-boggling that
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people would go so far as to kind of deny these differences that common origin we're tracing back
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to someone, tracing back to an event, tracing back to different lifestyles, different environments
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would actually create differences. But it's just objectively true. People have different traits
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from the environment, from their lifestyle, from the different things they do. And it does
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meaningly affect their life. Being able to process lactose affects my life. It changes my diet,
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the way I eat. It's a great source of calcium, which helps me, then children, all of those
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different things. So just to lay the groundwork, common origin, common ancestor, the traits they
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have passed down to pass down, people's breaking off, starting new groups, intermarrying, all of
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those come to create differential sets of traits in different people. And none of that is extreme,
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obscure, contested, anything like that. That is what has been believed. This is what has been
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affirmed in the literature. This is how people have lived. And it's observable. And it's observable.
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exactly like melanin like darkness of the skin that's a function of the equator and the sun
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like people that lived there ended up needing a darker skin to combat the continual effects of
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the sun versus people that lived farther north that often had fairer skin like that's just that's
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how it works and so those people that live there develop that trait a culture did not give someone
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black skin or white skin they were born with it because of the environment because of genetics
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yep all right all right so far makes sense let's go to chart number three nathan um i realize some
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of this especially as we get into dna it's a little bit technical but here's the deal for
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those of you that want this you're going to get the info and if you can't follow it here's the
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deal every minute i keep going atheists look stupider and stupider dumber and dumber the
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human genome is incredible the complexity here like i'm just we're going to get pretty complex
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just scratching the surface. It is incredible the way that God has made our cells and our genes to
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be passed down. Every single one of your cells, besides red blood cells, contain 23 pairs of
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chromosomes, 46 total in general, that contain all of your DNA. Every single one of your cells
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in every single part of your body. And it's from that DNA, you see there the chromosome,
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the DNA is contained within the chromosome, and the gene is then contained within the DNA.
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every protein, everything that makes your eyes, everything that makes your liver, your fingernails,
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your skin, all of these things come from your genes that are there. And so because you have,
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for example, all 46 chromosomes in your eye, the eye unravels just certain portions of your
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chromosome that has the proteins and the enzymes and everything needed just for the eye, unravels
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it so the DNA is accessible. And then the gene there actually transcribes it. It's called the
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central dogma of the cell. Transcription, where what's called an RNA polymerase, reads the DNA,
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and then the DNA is taken into messenger RNA that is then translated and made into proteins.
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I say all of this to say, these genes contained on the DNA, in the chromosome, in every single cell,
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can be turned on and off. They can be done with two ways. In the chromosome, the way they stay
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all wrapped around, because there's like a meter worth of DNA in every single cell, and you have
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trillions of cells in your body, is wrapped tightly around these things called histones.
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And histones can be turned on and off with the addition of what's called methyl groups. We're
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going to talk a lot about methyl groups and methylation in this episode. Methyl groups,
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methylation. Methylation blocks the enzyme that comes in and reads the gene. So you have a gene
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here for some type of protein, like vitamin A or whatever it would be. If there's a methyl group,
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either on the histone that contains that gene or just on the DNA in general, it blocks transcription
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of it now it could be a truly total like this is not being transcribed at all or it could be much
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sort of it's transcribed less to a lesser degree transcription that's really important right because
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that's passing on to new cells so i think you need to exactly that's the that's like copying it down
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for the next one and the next one and the next one exactly because originally we were only essentially
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two cells the the zygotes so the sperm and the egg but then they came together and they divided
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make two and then four and then eight so at one point your eye was like a single cell now it had
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all the information to make all the pieces of the eye but eventually it took those different pieces
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it made more cells those replicated those replicated retina and cornea exactly yeah but
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genes turned off say at that very beginning cell that very first cell that went on to make your eye
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or went on to make your liver or your heart or anything like that different parts of being turned
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off and turned on really matter because then the cells that followed would also be turned on and
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turned off. So all of these different traits, all of these different proteins, habits, ability to
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process lactose come back down to your gene. Your gene's held across your DNA, wrapped in chromosomes
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contained in every cell of your body. Praise God. Absolutely amazing. What happens? What could be
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a way? What is a practical example of the way this worked? The Native American Indians, Rush
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Juney speaks of this, they really were a hearty people. Obviously, it was variation in the tribe.
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some of them were much more nomadic, some had settled more, but they were very nomadic people
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that really, Rush Duny, he lectures about this, they spent every moment of their day working
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because they had to find food. They were a hunting, gathering community. They didn't have
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downtime. It seems like the least, the most that they would do was the children would gather around
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the grandparents at night for a fire. They were a hunting, gathering community, and it's one of
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the reasons alcohol has destroyed them, for example, on the reservation. There's not much
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work. They're not doing what they did for thousands of years. So when the Europeans that
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then went on settled America and became Americans, they took the Indians and they said, we've got to
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put them somewhere. We have hundreds of thousands of people. What are we going to do with them?
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They eventually put them on the reservations. They began to provide a stipend that gave them
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a bad diet. So Nate, you can pull up this quote. This is quote number one from history.com.
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And so you had European colonization, and it changed the diet of a people that had lived
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a certain way for thousands of years and were very good at it.
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During these forced relocations, so relocation to Indian reservations, new foods were distributed
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to tribes in the form of government-issued rations.
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These rations, distributed twice a month, originally included lard, flour, coffee, and
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sugar, and canned meat, generically known as spam, which has been linked to an increased
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This food distribution program led to one of the most dramatic dietary changes in Native American history.
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The original intention of the U.S. government was to supply rations as an interim solution until relocated Native people were raising enough food on their own.
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Instead, many indigenous people became dependent on the rations.
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Some tribes initially abandoned their traditional food procurement practices, but found that there were never enough of the government-issued food to feed all of their tribal members.
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And so what you had happen, this is late 1800s, this is getting to the 1900s, and most certainly
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And when we talk about spheres and responsibilities, this is why the government does not provide
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Because when the government supplies food, it's going to supply it at the lowest possible
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And the government doesn't really care about diabetes and hyperactivity and all those things
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They're concerned with just, are these people fed?
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are they happy? So what have been the results of this? The results of this diet that has been fed
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to Native Americans on reservations, largely subsidized by the U.S. government since then.
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In some American Indian communities, this is from a scientific research,
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type 2 diabetes prevalence among adults is as high as 60%. So prevalence being how many people
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in a population have it. 60%. Type 2 diabetes is destructive to the body. It is not something you
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want to have. And for anyone listening, my heart goes out to you because that is a lifelong condition
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that you're going to have to deal with. This process of insulin sensitivity, I think,
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type 1, and then insulin resistance in type 2. 60%. Now you can say, okay, but if they quit it
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tomorrow, imagine tomorrow you get out all the junky sugary drinks. You get out all the sugar,
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all the fatty foods all of that well it all go back to normal right well scripture does speak
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about i want to be careful because the iniquity in this case really is in some ways in the u.s
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government the iniquity of the father is visited on the children to the third and the fourth
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generation like the bible says that yeah and now god shows faithful love to the thousandth
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generation of those that love him and keep his commandments but there are effects that just they
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don't go away. Diabetes is up to 70% heritable. That means in a given group of people, if you
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took 100 people, and how many of them got diabetes? The difference between, well, they all eat the
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same diet and they all exercise the same, the difference, 70% of it, could be attributed to
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genetics. Now, I'm going to get into the genetic exactly here, but you have to understand this.
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There are thousands and thousands of children today, Native American Indian children that have
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type 2 diabetes. And as I'm about to show, it comes from that high sugary diet, which led to
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a genetic change, methylation, all of that, that are really suffering right now today because of
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a government subsidy of a bad food program and a bad diet. Like real people with high medical bills,
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lower quality of life, lower length of life, they're going to live less long. And the point
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is, even if they had a perfect diet today, it wouldn't all go away. And it wouldn't all go
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away tomorrow and 10 years and 20 years it would last i i don't want to make a scientific judgment
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that every single one there's some arbitrary cut off at the 40 to 60 year mark well three to four
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generations it would take for this people group in whole to be affected like kind of what the bible
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says crazy kind of like what the bible says three or four generations yeah anything else to add
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gentlemen before i get into how nope all right well what's real quick what's the name of russ
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june's uh book where the whole thing is the case study of the reservation oh yeah the uh indian
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reservations i'm trying to remember i was going off the lectures if you can find that i just want
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to be able to recommend it to the listeners you can be looking as west goes on but there's a whole
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book that uh rush june wrote because he worked his he worked on indian reservations for a lot of
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his personal work um yeah so yeah that and uh man they were a people that were destroyed like
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alcoholism he said it was uh there was a fourth grade boy that was pulled in front of the court
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for disorderly drunkenness wow and he was like well i've just been drunk my whole life like that
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is the destructive effect and my point is this is not surface level culture this is not well it's
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habits and its values and this that or the other that can be very easily swapped out one for
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another no there's a propensity right now at the genetic level in this people towards it's called
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the american indian published by rj rush juni the american indian by rush to name rj rush
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genetic propensity towards, but then also, so you could say like, well, there's tons of people that
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have worshipped demons for thousands of years. I thought it was only a third and fourth generation.
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Well, if that sin is repeated again and again through the centuries, then that iniquity has
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continued to be visited. I'm going to show you how this actually works. Again, because I want
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you to see it. I want you to see the complexity that God's made. So Nate, you can pull up. This
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will be the next graph. It was already on the TV behind us. Transcription-like factor two. So I
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talked about transcription. You go from the DNA to the RNA, from the RNA to the protein.
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So transcription-like factor 2 is one of the biggest alleles for risk for type 2 diabetes.
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So it encodes a transcription factor involved in signaling that's crucial for your pancreatic
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beta cell proliferation. So your pancreas is where insulin is made, and it's necessary to
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have these beta cells that then grow and multiply and secrete insulin. So your TF7L2,
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transcription factor seven like two, makes insulin. DNA methylation, the addition of methyl groups to
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DNA to turn these things off. DNA methylation, CPG, there's four different amino acids that DNA
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is made of. A, T, C, and G are their abbreviations. So cysteine preceding guinine sites. And the TCF
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7-2 promoter can alter its transcription impacting glucose homeostasis. So I've listed here,
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you see on the right, what are some lifestyle factors that affect turning off this gene that
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when it turns off leads to a propensity to diabetes? A high calorie diet, too much fat and
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calories adds chemical tags to TCF7L2, turning it off in the pancreas. This reduces insulin
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production, making blood sugar control worse. Fasting can remove them. So then if you have
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calorie restriction and you fast and you just practice not being gluttonous, those tags can
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be turned off. And this transcription factor turned back on. Then your insulin works better,
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lowers your blood sugar. Pregnancy and baby's future health. If a mother eats too much sugar,
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fat while pregnant can permanently alter her baby's genes. That some of these can truly be
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turned off for life. And so you have this thing that helps make insulin, which helps regulate
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your glucose. You can eat a diet that is high in sucrose, high or high in glucose that suppresses
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transcription, and you have less insulin in the body. Go to the next graph, Nate.
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And then this is the ultimate result. So you eat this diet high in sugar, you have less insulin,
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and that increases your diabetes risk. You develop insulin sensitivity. And this TCF7L2
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is a genetic risk factor that is one of the most predominant ones and is brought about by high
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sugary diet. And in this group of people, it is very common. Many, many, many of them have it.
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It gives them a predisposition, which is not a sentence.
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So it's not as though you have this, you will develop diabetes, but you will have the risk
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And you could eat a diet better than someone else who doesn't have this and still develop
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And all that to say, these are the practical means that God accomplishes it.
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We wouldn't know this without decades and decades of research and understanding, looking
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We now understand that you can turn off the thing that helps you regulate sugar by eating
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Like it's supposed to regulate sugar to a degree,
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because it wouldn't make sense to answer it later.
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Like there's some things that are good for you, right?
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The biggest thing is what's surrounding those fats.
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So you're eating a high-fat diet, but it's a high-fat of deep-fried things,
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So I wouldn't worry too much about the trans line on your –
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you need to be worried about trans in general.
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I wouldn't worry about that so much as what is my sugar looking like,
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If it's high in protein, low in sugar, high in trans fat, don't worry about it.
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All right. I have one anecdote to add there, Wes. You said that we understand this now through
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medicine and medical research. But what's amazing is people have, I think, either instinctively or
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just through process of trial and error, understood this for a long time. I know, for instance, that
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when we were missionaries in Taiwan, Taiwanese women have a very regimented
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diet for the first three months after they give birth and they all have to have it and it's like
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a lot of bone broths and soups and meat and things like that what's interesting is um this is
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speculation here but i would imagine that if you took that same diet and gave it to a western woman
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it would probably have some benefit to her post-delivery but i bet i bet it would not be
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as precisely effective as what has been developed in taiwan with these asian women because just
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process and trial and error and over time they've realized like these things for our people produce
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the healthiest women coming out of pregnancy and then the healthiest babies um you know for the
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first couple months or years of life i'm glad you brought that up because it's now being understood
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we don't understand much of it now people adapt to a local diet so if you ate for example from
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generally the same farm in the same area that experienced the same weather, same farm, the same
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eggs, this side or the other, your diet works best to that. It adapts to best pull out nutrients,
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to pull out the things that it needs. So you should be eating a consistent diet,
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and that's from that same area. And if we're getting into ancestors and all of that,
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it would probably be best if it's a land, for example, your grandparents and your parents and
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everything that you live there, you generally ate from those individuals, that would be your body
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best adapted to the nutrients that it's getting right we don't understand all the mechanisms of
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how this works but all that being said like do we really need to like do you need to be told like
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you should eat local beef from a farmer that you know and eggs from a guy instead of the giant
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chicken farm 500 miles away like like do we really need like a clinical peer-reviewed study say which
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one's better for you which one if you eat longer term is going to be more profitable for your
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health like a lot of these things we actually do well i don't know i don't know if we do know that
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to be honest i you're right like common sense kind of as we're getting back to like living on
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the land and and we've talked about like the idea is not to go full homestead well the best thing
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for me to eat local cow and so i'm gonna do 50 acres i'm gonna try to make it profitable
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my brother in christ you'll spend 50 years and we'll be profitable like it's just farming isn't
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something that we all can do but generally speaking where do i source my food where do i
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get things. Local is better. To your point, Michael, people, they live, they pass down habits
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for generations. This is best. And it really helped me with nausea during pregnancy. This is best and
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helped me when I was postpartum. Like they've passed these down. This is what people groups
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always did. They passed on diet, they passed on habit, they passed on different supplements to
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help them. And they formed something very unique. You couldn't export it. So you couldn't take one
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people group here. That's like, we eat this mushroom and we eat this and eat that. And
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everyone across all time, everywhere should do it. People are different, and they have different
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genes, and they're adapted to different things, and there is not a one-size-fits-all solution.
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all right all right we are back i i gotta i i plug this book this is every time we talk about
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i've been on a podcast i know it's incredible because people are listening like is joel there
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is he okay did he die does he have bad genes yeah this is the west michael show from here on out
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yeah all right i plug this book a lot this is the book uh deep nutrition by kate shanahan yeah
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this deals with all of this specifically more in the diet aspect and to be honest and uh we can
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talk about a little she gets into beauty as well like uh like beauty is a property of symmetry
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it's a property of fertility and she says like look if you want your kids not just to be healthy
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they don't have diabetes they have strong bones all of that like uh healthy living is also a big
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function of beauty and then because people are healthy they look better and then they also people
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also marry and have children with people that also look better like it's not just an egalitarian
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level free-for-all like these things actually matter in real i've been saying a lot but like
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real tangible ways and one of those is beauty and the way people look she says this and this is
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this is profound kate shanahan deep nutrition taken together nate you can show this quote on
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the screen taken together all epigenetic evidence paints dna as a far more dynamic and intelligent
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mechanism of adaptation that has been generally appreciated in effect dna seems capable of
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collecting information through the language of food about the changing conditions in the outside
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world, enacting alteration based on that information, and documenting, keeping record of, both the
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collected data and its response for the benefit of subsequent generations. Junk DNA is full of
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genetic treasure. It may function as a kind of ever-expanding library, complete with its own
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insightful librarian capable of researching previously written volumes of successful and
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unsuccessful genetic adaptation strategies. It follows that more complex organisms, like human
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beings, with larger cells whose genomes represent a more complex evolutionary history would carry
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relatively more substantial libraries filled with more junk DNA. And what he's saying is that junk
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DNA is in many ways a reference library that's not currently in use. They'd be filled with more
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of this DNA, and we do know that. That DNA, we don't understand how, but it would appear to have
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some level of an understanding like, oh, we've seen this before, or we know what this does.
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There's an incredible study in pigs. And so she talks about this in the book. They took pigs and
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they deprived them of vitamin A. And vitamin A is a byproduct of photosynthesis, which gets down
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into plants. And deprived of vitamin A in utero, pregnant pigs gave birth to pigs that had no eyes.
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It's like, okay, so we knocked out vitamin A, they just don't develop eyes. Well, if there's no sun
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and photosynthesis and creating these vitamins.
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I'm going to get into a more controversial one.
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And this one is because it deals with morality.
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It requires time, insulin, needles, all of that.
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but there's different ways of parsing that out.
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In the cold, I just wanted to real quick point that out.
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Like that verse, you know, and that's why we included it in the cold open today, but it's not just, um, got to be faithful to a thousand generations of Christians, but included in that, just like the great commission, right? Like it, it's, you know, um, going and making disciples and baptizing them into the name of the father, the son, and the Holy spirit and teaching them to obey, teaching them being nations, peoples to obey all my commandments.
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And so, too, in this promise that we have, that God would promise to be faithful to the righteous and to a thousand generations of those who love him and obey his commandments.
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So, oxytocin is a molecule that modulates—it's called the love molecule—but it modulates pair bonding.
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uh emotional connection affection regulation all these different things between is that primarily
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between like mother and child or everything it's broader than that it's social but most
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specifically in and i'll get to a study on this in a minute in a minute pair bonding like like
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the bonding of a husband and a wife they come together in marital union like that's it's not
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just like it's not just a machine that runs a command or a function or the equivalent of
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adding a contact to your phone. They're joined together. And that's mediated by real things
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that happen. It's not just abstract and spiritual, but it's bodily. It's in the body. And so oxytocin
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is one of these things that mediates it. And so this is a graph from a 2022 study
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in genes, brain, and behavior of oxytocin expression in major people groups. So just
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like transcription like factor, transcription like factor seven, like two, just like that
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one related to diabetes, the O-X-T-R gene modulates, regulates, promotes the expression
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of the molecule, the gene O-X-T-R to the molecule oxytocin.
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Oxytocin modulates all of these different things that are good.
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so this is between five different people groups the average estimated expression rate in this is
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a brain brain region but the higher values indicating more expression so on the left you
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have africans this is the average expression it's the lowest of the five groups and then in east
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asians so this would be this would be china vietnam korea japan east asians have the highest
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expression i'll go through these other ones and come back to east asians in a minute then you have
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america and michael i want to hear from you on the length of time that people can stay and that
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matters you have america which is second lowest europeans and then you have south asians so these
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are some of the southern regions like india i don't know if australia would fit into that no
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wouldn't so you don't have australia but you have southern asian regions and that's the second
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highest these are the average levels of oxytocin expression and this is a molecule that helps
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people pair bond, stay monogamous, helps mothers nurture their children, breastfeed them, helps
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people control emotional regulation. That people can still sin, but it, it, it sets them up with
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the highest chance, with the greatest propensity of staying faithful in marriage, of being nurturing
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mothers. Is that what you're saying? Yes. Yeah. Like a, like a good mother is not, like it's just
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not an abstract category. Like a mother that loves her children and cares for them and, and
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breastfeeds, which is a great thing that should be done as much as possible. Sometimes it's not
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possible, but if it's possible, demand without pain and difficulty and all these things that
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should be done. And the point is those things are mediated by real physical things that exist.
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And the graph of different people groups on the whole, on average, it's not a flat line. It's not
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the same propensity. It's not all of these groups are the same thing. It's not egalitarian. Exactly.
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And we're not talking about behavior. So this is not a graph of monogamous behavior. Well,
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these cultures have less monogamy, less faithfulness, less husbands staying in the home,
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and these have more. No, these are genetic levels. And the problem is, oh, well, that's just genes,
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that's just numbers on a screen, that's just molecules deposited in a brain. Well, which of
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those peoples, of those five different ones that were named, have the greatest level, the greatest
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family values? Oh, it's East Asians. Compared to Europe and compared to America, East Asians have
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the most structured long-standing grounded rooted sense of family values of anywhere in the world
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and they're not perfect and also some of the longest lifespans they have some of the longest
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lifespans they have honor cultures now all of these different things there's a thousand things
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of course right that mediate monogamy so nothing in this graph i i just want to note for a second
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because on x you know there's so many people that hate us and they love us but they hate us well
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I'd say there's a hundred thousand people that love us and about 10 million that hate us,
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but, uh, which I'm, I'm fine with that, that ratio, but here's the thing. People have hated
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me for a while now, but, um, Wes really doesn't get enough credit. Uh, but you were quickly up
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and coming. And, uh, and I've noticed, you know, on the, the Twitter streets, um, even just the
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past few weeks, like people starting to realize, wait a second, Wes might be, uh, might be further
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right than jolt and as they're starting to notice like they're kind of like now they're kind of
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you're kind of starting to get some of your own credit you're getting your own you know special
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attention and but i just want to say that like with that chart that you're showing you know so
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with the haters you know one of the things that i've seen people say that's absolutely
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false and slanderous um but they're uh they're just white supremacists right well but i i i love
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white people and i happen i am one i love them right my wife happens to be white my kids are
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white um so i i love my parents are white i love white people um and i love my country and i love
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my kinsmen i love all those things um but if we were just white supremacists and that was our
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agenda uh you probably wouldn't be showing charts where the asians are kicking our butt
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kicking our butts is strong yeah okay right right right maybe not kicking our butt but just you
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know of this specific gene that mediates in this family values and monogamy this does not help your
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white supremacist case just want to throw that out there exactly all right go ahead and and this
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culture for the record like japan is two percent christian right they are very their central bank
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is screwing them over that's a topic for another time but um but as far as a culture as far as trust
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uh success work ethic all of that like these aren't china is not majority christian so this
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is not a chart of like least christian somewhat christian most christian these are just different
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people groups that have lived a certain way and as a result look different. Nate, we can go to the
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last quote here. But real quick, just let you show the chart, but let's just say it for those
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who are listening, because we're just, we're just looking at something. There's no animus here.
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There's not, there's nothing sinful. We don't need to apologize. We don't need to be cowardly. So
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with the chart, you're seeing East Asians rated the highest. Yes. Americans were second lowest.
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Yep. And in part, I'm going to argue that part of that is because, um, because of our greatest
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strength diversity part of it and um there's also something to be said too for just being a
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homogenous people that have high trust like europe is higher europe is more godless than us right now
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in the moment but they're an ancient people i remember i was uh i was back when i worked in
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consulting i was talking with a guy and he's like our old cities our old cities you're like oh dc's
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an old city boston's an old city like our old cities amsterdam's like 1500 years old two thousand
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3 000 4 000. you go to italy it's like this cathedral was built in like 280. exactly or 480.
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america has existed for 250 years a little bit longer obviously if you go back to some of the
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original arrivees and mayflower and stuff but um but i do think that's that's one of the things
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america is second lowest we're even lower than obviously europe and asia and all those different
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things uh and there's different factors that impact it but one of those is just it's been a
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while it has not been long that we've been a people and even in being a people our greatest
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strength we don't even have any type of cohesive sense of who we are right that's been the biggest
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question right last year like what is a woman that's what is an american or what is you know
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what is a woman and then matt walsh did am i racist but we yeah we really need like what is
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an american yep what is a nation um is it people in place or is it just you know some prop set of
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propositions so yeah so i think it's how young we are as a nation and that like the cement hasn't
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hardened the dust hasn't settled that it's just been this now there have been various times where
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things did kind of settle and america did really well you know but then there'd be
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new waves of immigration you know so from you know like it's the irish it's the italians it's
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you know and and we kick them off into the west because there's a lot of land so they'd arrive
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people didn't want them there for them kick them out well that's the thing you kick them out and
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then they actually get to become settlers right they have something to sell there's still irish
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in the east coast yeah but some of these waves early waves of immigration there's still something
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to settle it wasn't just immigrants um it was actually going somewhere and making something
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on your own and building um but then you know so that so there's waves of upheaval seasons of
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upheaval and upheaval and disrest uh unrest and then um and then you know things kind of calm
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down and the dust starts to settle and then it happens again it happens and but then lately like
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by design and this is not just us europe is now experiencing this they just have you know a thousand
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years as a bedrock, you know, so a little bit more stabilization, but it's being destabilized.
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But most recently, it's not like our past and different historic moments in America,
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and there's nothing historic that you could go and point to being similar, you know, with England
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or with France, but it's a somewhat novel phenomenon of your political elites and leaders
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of these european nations and also here in america intentionally by design trying to
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replace the native population with poorest borders and and legislation like anchor babies you know
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which praise god trump's trying to get rid of that it's a horrible horrible policy um that just
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incentivizes people who are nine months pregnant you know to just just barely make it over the line
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hit that disneyland trip what hit that disneyland trip so you give birth in the united states right
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and then drop literally like that's what happens that is what happens so anyways um so all that
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being said like there's reasons for why america is rated more lowly on this scale and this isn't
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an overall this was particularly in regards to what oxytocin which again that's not as though
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you have high levels you'll be monogamous low levels you won't but of different factors of
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the higher levels you're you're better able to pair bond better emotional regulation also some
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research here in a minute on mothers and nurturing but right of oxytocin on average on the whole
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and it's even tough with america because you have different races that are all here and all of that
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but on the whole lower than east asia and europe and europe yep and then the lowest was africa
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yes the lowest is africa uh and we'll have to do an episode probably on the fertility crisis but
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diversity is something that presence of diversity diverse municipalities communities nations they
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they don't have people having a lot of children like at the end of the day like that's another
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reason you bring in that foreign populace and then the people that are there are like well there's not
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a lot of future for these children that i could have but why would i have a bunch of them they
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have no place to just be displaced and deracinated and all that different thing because they're dumb
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and they watch boy meets world and instead of practicing violin for eight hours right exactly
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wasn't that hypocritical to see vivek like he's going on his re-imaging rebranding tour like his
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his crawl of penance and atonement but it's so hypocritical and ironic because it's like
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you just said americans are too big on recreation and now you're going to the indy 500 or some kind
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of you know sports car race you know it's like shouldn't you be at home you know teaching your
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kids math right right yep and when i say home i mean india no it's like i i understand but
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let's take the last quote so i want to show because the point is you you can modify this
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this is not set in stone right diabetes 70 of it is genetic iq it's between 50 and 100 but it's
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probably not it's not all genetic either there are things you can do to modify it so this is a study
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from 2019 in psychoneuroendocrinology the journal and this was looking at voles are actually really
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cool you do a lot of studies in these i did some studies on this in my undergrad because they're
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they're one of the few mammals that pair for life. So we actually, we look at them and we do things
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to them we couldn't do to humans and understand the effects of oxytocin for these moles, these
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voles that literally like as animals have one spouse for life. We report, the author's report
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in this study, I'm quoting now, that low levels of early care in voles lead to de novo DNA methylation.
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So early care, this means nurturing, licking, petting, nursing, low levels. So less nurturing,
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less care, less provision for these little youth in these prairie voles leads to, we've been talking
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about this whole episode, DNA methylation at specific regulatory sites in the oxytocin receptor
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gene, OXTR, impacting gene expression and protein distribution in the nucleus accumbens, that's a
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brain region. These results identify a mechanism by which early care regulates later displays of
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typical prairie vole social behavior and suggest the potential for nurture driven epigenetic tuning
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of OXTR in humans. So the reason you can use voles and mice and all these different things
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when they have the same regions and structures and all of this as humans, you can do something
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in a mouse. You can observe an effect and say, we anticipate, obviously you're not going to kill a
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human being, look at their brain and replicate it. You can say, we can, we anticipate this would be
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replicated in humans. But don't miss what this study is saying. Little voles, they're little
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babies, and those that received less care had these receptors and these genes that mediate
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them later on as adults, as moms and dads, this bonding, this social behavior, this emotional
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regulation, all of that. Those who didn't get that early care early on, their DNA itself,
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methylation, methyl group, turned that off, turned that off, turned down that gene expression.
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so then later on in life they experienced lower levels of that ability to do what voles do but
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the behavior that it was tied to was not abstract and it wasn't chemical or molecular it was
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nurturing behavior it was care it was obviously they're animals they're not human beings it was
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love and the authors say in that study like this guys is not this is not 4chan literature this is
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peer-reviewed academic study we think the same thing would happen in humans we think the same
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gene, this same mechanism, this same care, love, and nurture, if deprived early on, would impact
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an individual later in life through the same mechanism. So you're saying with people that it's
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possible, maybe even likely, that if you had not just one generation, but I assume it would only
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compound if you had like three generations or four generations of a loving mother, ideally if
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she's able to, like my wife was not able to breastfeed. And we're on our fifth child now,
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a little baby, Mabel, who's doing great. She's about three months old now. And she's our first
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child that my wife, Megan, has been able to breastfeed. And with each child, she was able
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to produce a little bit more milk, which is amazing. And I think that's happened naturally
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with her body, but all of it is the work of God and the way that he's designed her. It's like
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each child, it's like training her body to do that. But anyways, my point is,
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If you had like three generations of a nurturing mother, stay-at-home mother, especially in the early years of life, and if she's able to, I'm not saying that it would just be intentionally by design.
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I understand my own wife wasn't able to breastfeed, but for those who can, she chooses to breastfeed and all those things.
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and um a father i would imagine the mother would be more integral but the father for those later
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years as the child starts to develop if he's also in the home um and providing and and doesn't
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abandon the marriage and abandon the child and that happens consecutively for three generations
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um we would say on the spiritual side that's discipleship um and but then we would say that
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like god created a world that's so incredible and so magical i mean he made a magical world
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right it's like oh well that's just science yeah but but he made it the fact that water
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i forget who said it gk chesterton or lewis that like water flows downhill like when it you know
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god could have made it go up it but it's just as amazing we should we should be amazed um for us
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it makes sense and so we're not we we lose the the the sense of all but all this is built into
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the fabric of the world that god has made and so on the one hand the spiritual way that we would
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describe it is discipleship. But that also has a chemical and biological side of it that works
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not against, and it's not just completely severed, but they're working together. On the one hand,
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it's discipling generation after generation after generation of good parenting,
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loving mothers, loving fathers. But then also that's having a physical effect. So it's not
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anything less than the Spirit. It's not anything less than discipleship. It's not anything less
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than love, parental love, and Christian love for those Christian families, which we would say would
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be all the greater. It's nothing less than that, but we're just saying that, you know, God moves
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sovereignly. So, like, whenever someone's saved, well, how does that happen? Well, before the
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foundations of the world, God and His sovereignty elects, like, all that's true. So, that's the
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macro-ultimate spiritual side of the equation, and that is the ultimate, because God sovereignly
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ordains, and the Spirit regenerates, and that's how God saves. But also, He works through human
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means. Somebody shares the gospel, there's evangelism, there's a mind that's at work,
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you know, and firing and making logical conclusions and all these different things.
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And so, we're just saying the same thing, not so much with soteriology, salvation, but when it
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comes to nurture and discipleship and these kinds of things that with three generations of good,
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natural love and nurturing for a child with a mother and a father, I would imagine that would
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be all the better, to do that consecutively, and then to do that even to a greater degree with
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not just being natural love, but Christian love, which wouldn't be against natural love, but just
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even heightened, you know, grace restores and elevates nature. And to do that with three
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generations, we would say that spiritually speaking, by the time you get to that third
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or fourth generation, they've been well-shaped and discipled. But you can also say that the human,
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you know the the physical biological means at play within you know the larger macro picture
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of what god has established is that it actually is even making even making them biologically
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physically with a higher propensity with with a greater inclination towards doing the same now for
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their own children for their own offspring to be loving and caring and present and nurturing
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whereas if you have the reverse i'm just spitballing here doesn't sound that crazy but if
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you have multiple consecutive generations where the father leaves or is in jail right you know
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and and maybe the mother is there but but it's it's one parent home you know or maybe the mother
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isn't as an attentive or these kinds of things that um that you're saying that that that's not
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just a spiritual component but the spiritual component is is ultimate but that there's a
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physical components and deficiencies that would, that would, they would, they would compound over
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time that would set that person generations down the road at a greater disadvantage.
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Yeah. I'm going to hit Alex's question because they're, they're questioning, but I think it's
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from a good place. So Alex asked two questions that directly relate to this. I'm talking about
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moles, voles and mice. So people are like animals, Alex asks, how can someone be nurturing if God
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made them not to be nurturing. And that is some of the thorny question of this. The caution I do
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want to say, and I'll go back to the animal's comment, is none of this should be taken as a
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mechanical problem. My mom was absent. Therefore, I'm doomed. I'm fated. Mechanics, I won't be able
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to commit to my woman, to show nurture, love, all these different things. That's not what's going on.
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You don't know how her mom, what she maybe gave to your mom, which then passed down.
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because our human genome, our DNA, yours especially,
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We don't know that, and it's good that we don't know that.
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or I have this genetic this, that, or the other,
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and that's why I disobey, or that's why I do what I do.
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and then even there are people that defy the odds.
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and it does happen of bad parenting and an abusive home that didn't show love and they say i'm not
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going to be like that it stops with me it stops with me it ends with us and they turn it around
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if they turn it around you know five generations from them their great great grandchildren would
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would be better than them but but they would still merit um a a great degree of credit and respect
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and honor because they're the ones that that changed the sequence that changed the time exactly
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and that does happen that's the thing people are addicts people are violent people and someone
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says be it the gospel whatever right it's done with me and then they build something new and
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that faithfulness god blesses at the genetic level to where a couple generations down they're not
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inheriting what was given to them right that does happen right in god's sovereignty my my personal
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story is is somewhat in this line uh that um for those who don't know you know when eric khan got
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in big trouble sometime last year uh for his uh infamous uh adoption tweet well eric the the reason
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he did that was believe it or not he wasn't just trying to be an edgelord and get under everyone's
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skin you can always wear something different so i wouldn't have said it like that i've never heard
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anybody say anything that i didn't think i would have said it differently so okay you want to say
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like that fine um but but was what was behind the scenes because i i talked to him about it
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was you know multiple families that he's close to that had adopted and uh and in many of these
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cases adopted older children through the foster foster um foster care system and then you know
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god opened their wombs and they had um biological children uh later on and had um obviously not
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going to be completely inappropriate to share names and i'm not going to go into details with
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the situation but i'll i'll just say in a general sense um some pretty pretty alarming and terrible
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tragic things um done to the biological children who ended up being younger by the foster adopted
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child who was older and especially these children coming from broken homes that their parents came
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from, broken homes that their parents came from. And yeah, I'll leave it there. I could be more
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detailed. So that was kind of the behind the scenes was in a lot of these families, they're
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all Christian families because it's, let's just be honest, it's Christians for the most part that
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are willing to adopt and serve in the foster care system, all these kinds of things. And so
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these were Christian parents who love both their biological and adoptive children. Both are their
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children, and yet had talked to Eric as a pastor about some of those challenges. And Eric was
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privy to just knowing about some of them, and then even pastorally dealt with some of them.
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And then from myself, from my own story, so I defended Eric, one, because he's my friend,
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and I thought he was right. I wouldn't just defend him because he's my friend,
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but that helps when you have a relationship with someone. I also thought he was right,
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um and i knew some of the behind the scenes experience um that was informing that tweet
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and then i also know my own personal set of circumstances so i i was fine defending that
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that tweet because i'm adopted you know maybe a lot of our listeners don't know that but i
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i was adopted um my biological parents especially my father um was a deadbeat you know he was just
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you know, he was a loser. And, you know, and he probably would have, I don't know. I don't know.
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I don't know what he would have done. But I know he abandoned my birth mother. And so I wouldn't
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be surprised if he would have been fine with her getting an abortion. Praise God, my biological
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mother did not opt for having an abortion. And she actually, you know, she was charismatic,
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like most Christians in America, you know, more Pentecostal,
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when she gave birth to me and she was poor
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And my biological father was, you know, hit and run.
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She had me in the hospital for a few days because I had heart complications, which I still have.
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And so I had to be lifelighted to Herman's Children's Hospital in Texas and all these
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different things to find out if I was going to be okay and running tests and doing some different
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things. And so she was with me in the hospital and nursing me during that time. And she wanted
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to call me something. So she called me Samuel. And that's why I said like a little charismatic,
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But like in her mind, she was thinking like Samuel, you know, Hannah says, you know, God, if you open my womb, give me a son, I'll give my first child to you, you know, to the house of the Lord, the temple with Eli, the priest.
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And so she wanted to give me up to adoption, but to Christians and particularly a pastor.
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And so she said yes and let my dad and mom adopt me.
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But my point is, my parents did such, my adoptive parents now, did such a great job of being,
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Like, they were, you know, serious Christians, love the Lord, believe we live in a world
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Dad's a pastor, charismatic pastor, for that matter.
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Both of my parents are members in our church now, and two of my favorite members.
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besides me fantastic yeah besides you guys of course um but uh but you know but even being
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charismatic and and and certainly believing that god created a world that's not just stuff and
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there's a spiritual component they also were just my parents my adopted parents are um just the most
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down-to-earth people you ever meet and and nothing but the very best ways and just it's awesome like
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every every sunday night after our second service of church they come over we do a game night you
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You know, they read to the grandkids, we put them down to bed.
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And then me and my wife and my parents have game night together.
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And they're just so practical and they're just normal people.
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And so my point is from a very young age, though, they noticed because my mom, my adopted mom, God opened her womb.
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And so then I had biological brothers and a sister younger than me.
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And at a young age, they realized like, you know, one of these things is not like the other.
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Joel, he's a weirdo. And I just had some challenges. Nathan, he's our tech director.
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He's my cousin. He's like, yeah, Joel is a little strange. And by God's grace, he protected me from
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doing something beyond just that silly, that strange. But yeah, it was different. It was
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different. Because here's the thing about adoption, even as a child, the bright side is
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um in adoption someone chooses you um the bad side though is uh someone chooses you because
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someone rejected you someone didn't want you you know you can say well you but your birth mom was
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just doing the best you okay well then my birth father like somebody didn't want me um and and
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and so to you know so i wasn't breastfed for a few days and then it's bottle and it's you know
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and and there's and there's just there's and then i came from i came physically biologically from
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a line of as far as i know i don't know every detail about my birth father but a line of
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not great people not great people with not great habits and and uh yeah and and so with there were
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things but here's the point all that back to what wes was saying none none of the three of us are
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saying. And therefore, I'm not morally culpable for any of the mistakes I've made. No one's
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saying that. I'm a sinner. And I'm responsible for every single sin I've committed. And it's
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only because of the blood of Jesus Christ that forgives and atones for sin that I have any
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chance. And that's my justification. But in my sanctification, the same standard that God would
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hold from for for children who come from a good home he holds for everyone like it's not like
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there's 10 commandments for for this set of people over here and then i had you know five
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commandments or you know some kind of lower bar like no and so but but all i'm trying to say is
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that um the immutable law word of god remains constant for each and every one of us and and
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every man romans chapter one is is without an apology or without an excuse like i i had the
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law of God written on my heart, even before it was converted, like all men do, just by being
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created in the image of God and having a conscience and these kinds of things. And yet,
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I will admit, and I probably wouldn't even been aware of this because I was so young, my parents
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would admit, my adopted parents would admit, yeah, it was harder for Joel than our other kids.
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Like in school, that last thing I said, in school, all the way through elementary and part of middle
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school, I had three, in every single one of my classes, I always had three desks. I had one in
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the rows with the other students, one right next to the teacher's desk, outside of the rows at the
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front of the classroom. Not quite the place of honor. And then one out in the hallway. And I
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would basically, on a daily basis, hour by hour, depending on my behavior, rotate between one of
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those desks. And a lot of times, I would just be getting distracted. If I was getting distracted,
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then i'd have to sit by the teacher if i was being distracting i would you know because there
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were those moments too i'd be in the hall but the point is um these things are real they're real and
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none of them none of it makes and so and so there's a certain class of people who are that's
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just wokeness right like that like they're you're absolved from your sin it's not your fault no
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um because somebody has to turn the tide somebody has to say as for me in my house we will serve
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the lord and if i come from a line of of you know i mean that it's like even when i think of like
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europeans especially i love like people show like some pagan dance or something video on x will go
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viral and they'll say you should do um you should follow the heritage of your ancestors and do what
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um what they did and convert to christianity you know like the richest heritage um of of many
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ancestral people especially among europeans is um giving up paganism and turning to the lord
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jesus christ and my point is um in every single person's history and every people's peoples of
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the earth history at some point they had to convert to jesus at some it's not like they
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just came out of the ether as moral people you know loving jesus they had to convert from pagan
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demon worship, from bad habits, from all these kinds of things. And so whether it's on a micro
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scale with adopting a child from a family that's kind of a rough family, or whether it's on a
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macro scale of a new peoples that comes to Christ and now has to be discipled and learn better
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habits that ultimately all of it stems from the Word of God that affects every single realm of
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life, including even their biology, not in 15 minutes, but over generations that would lend
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towards more health and prosperity and blessing and better habits and morality and fidelity
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and all these kinds of, like, the point is all these things are true, and these things
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We all ultimately still rely on the grace of God and are still responsible for obeying
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And God will not be mocked, a man reaps what he sows.
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and there are, right, the prosperity gospel, and the last thing I'll say, I know I've said this,
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the last thing I'll say, the last thing, the prosperity gospel is a heresy because what it
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asserts is that you can have the blessing of God apart from obedience, that you can use faith
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as a mechanism, as like an incantation, as like some pagan spell, and where Jesus isn't even the
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true object of your faith, but you just have faith in your faith, and by just manifesting
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positive thinking and just wishing it into existence you can have you know a 401k and a
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big house and and ferrari um and and health you know and your cancer will go away like
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that that's a heresy that's a prosperity gospel um but that but that's not what we're talking
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but what we're talking about is the law of sowing and reaping the law of sowing and reaping and the
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prosperity gospel are not the same and there's a lot of people i think in the reformed camp that
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want to say they you know they think they're being cute you know like the pam beasley you know office
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meme like corbett wants you to see that you know this is the same picture reaping and sowing
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prosperity no it's not the same picture but one of them's a heresy and one of them's the word of
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god the bible what i'm trying to say is that the bible is clear that it's not just the life to come
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but there is there are temporal blessings in this earthly life for obedience not guaranteed you can
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still get cancer and die, right? God's not entitled. You're not entitled to the blessing
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of God. God's not beholden to anyone. There's nothing you can do by your obedience to work
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the God of the universe into your debt. But ordinarily, I'll use that qualifier, ordinarily,
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God's system and the way that he set things up is that obedience, right? Children, obey your
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parents. This is the first commandment with a promise that it may go well with you. Not that
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if you obey your parents, you'll have eternal salvation. No, you only get that by faith in
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jesus no you'll get an earthly blessing if you obey your parents it'll go well with you and you'll
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live a long life on the earth temporally in this life and and that's just you know that's the fifth
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commandment and so if you have consecutive generations of nurturing parents and honoring
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obedient children and like yeah that's society and if that becomes society wide you know not
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not just one family but those families become more and more families and that becomes eventually a
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civilization and the nation and you have that kind of heritage then yeah that that those peoples
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that come from that lineage are probably going to be doing pretty well do you want to have a
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predisposition to diabetes or not right literally like would you rather not i would rather be part
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of the people that he who work does not work shall not eat but these people did work they
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ate a good diet and are health because of it right which one would you rather personally be
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part of, which is your kids. That's a great point, Wes. Like, it gets jarring and people get offended.
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Piantist, hardest hit. I know. It gets offensive. And I know that sometimes we say things, I say
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things in a bombastic manner. I get it. We're trying not to do that in this episode. I hope
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the listener can sense that. But I'm glad you said it like that, because that's not being hyperbolic
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or bombastic just for the fun of it. No, it really is. There was a group of people, and we're not
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saying it was all their fault talking about um again going back to like indian reservations
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so we're not like you can put a lot of blame on the united states government exactly so we're not
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even putting it all all the responsibility on them but but here's here's the facts you have
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a group of people that um that literally for life don't have to work and so many of them
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the vast majority don't they don't you don't have to work um and and a bunch of them you said what
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what was it? 60%? 70%? 60% in some communities. So not every single tribe reservation, but some
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of them as high as a prevalence of 60% of type two diabetes. Diabetes. And then if you have,
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which is 70% hereditary, right? This is not something that it's just like 60% of them eat
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badly. No, almost entirely driven by genetic predisposition to it, which does come by eating
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badly over generations. Exactly. Am I right that the predisposition is more likely to be unlocked
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depending on then what you do with it exactly i want to get to that in the last second but okay
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so you have multiple generations of of a particular people group that because of sin whether it be
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their sin or other sin or a combination of the two and i would argue probably the latter combination
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of the two um they're by and large not working and just living off of tax money for a guilty
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white people, even this is not generosity, it's guilt. White people felt guilty. And so out of
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guilt, we gave reparations, basically, in perpetuity, indefinitely, to these peoples.
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And so our sin of guilt instead of gratitude caused us to give reparations instead of actual
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generosity and teaching people like reparations in perpetuity, which allowed for another sin of
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apathy um and not working and eating poorly because they weren't willing to work and now
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there's there's actually a genetic in their own body romans 1 receive penalty in their own body
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there's a physical consequence as well as all the spiritual and relational that's that will preach
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now in america a lot of people don't want it to preach they don't want to hear that sermon
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um because they think that sermon is racist or they think that um but these are biblical
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principles and if we and if we just pretend that they're not and i'll be the first like once again
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first to say this is not something that i've been aware of and and consistently teaching for 30
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years no no i haven't been consistently teaching this for 30 years i've been consistently stupid
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for 30 years like there's very few things well but this is also pretty like cutting edge like
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as far as our understanding i don't know anyone else connecting the field of epigenetics which
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is emerging to religious christian living yeah i don't know of anyone doing that yet except me
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and you miss we a few a few months back i i said it publicly yeah um and i like heard you talking
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about but then i made that connection of epigenetics i think it was like you're preaching
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on faithfulness across generations i was like wait we know how that happens biologically well
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we've been having the discussion behind the scenes a lot about like what is the nexus of like what
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is the connection between like like jordan peterson was was talking about how psychologists
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are trying to treat people who have depression strictly through diet right which has prompted
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us to be talking behind the scenes like what is spiritual and what is physical right anxiety is a
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sin and yet it could be cured with the physical means like it's very interesting like are you
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sleeping are you exercising depression what's your diet so my point is like i'm all i'm trying
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to say is that um i don't want to pick on anybody because if anything i should just pick on myself
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these are um we are learning we're learning i'm learning michael is learning wes is teaching
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teaching you know he's teaching but still like you said that like make connecting some of the
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dots between what you learned at columbia and where was your grad school university of texas
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university of texas and then you know from some of the my sermons on covenantal uh teaching and
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taking the covenantal aspect and and then taking the biological aspect and seeing like how like
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here's god's promise and then here's the agency and the ways that you know or at least one of the
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agencies in the physical you know sense that you could objectively point to and say these people
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did this right so now they look like feel like act like this right so my point is for all three
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of us um we're perfectly willing to admit happy to admit that um it's new for us i say all that
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that to build up to this, I, so it's not like I've been
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saying this for 30 years, I, there are guys right now
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And I say that to say, I would have been one of those guys.
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Well, in one sense, it's objectively true, right?
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it's kind of like talking, I'm not trying to, again,
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We're trying to be really careful in this episode,
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There's so many of these topics that they're already touchy.
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because race has been through the 17 and 1800s,
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You know, it's not what Calvin was talking about
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and the Irish race and the Scottish race, right?
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Right, that's the problem is getting at the beginning
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And so race for the listener, someone asked me like,
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you weren't saying ethnicity is one of the components.
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You were saying, you were giving two different categories.
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And then there's a lot of, so going back to what I was saying,
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But I think what he would say is he'd say there's only one race, but there are multiple ethnicities.
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What you're saying is, no, there are multiple races and multiple ethnicities.
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To Calvin's point, different branches, different groups.
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But Vodibachum, by race there, he means species.
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Of which there is only one species, the human race.
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I think the term is difficult because it means so many things in so many contexts.
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Because all of us are different races in a sense.
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I don't think we need to invent a new term, but we just need to define our terms.
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But the problem is the term has been defined in culture differently than what we're necessarily saying now.
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And so it's like when you say, Wes, one of the first, you don't know this.
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It's one of the first conversations that you and I had.
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And then I came back and I talked to you and you were like, yeah, I think it's more like maybe 8,000 and not 4,000 to 6,000.
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i was speaking of an extended pre-noaa flood either way either way the point was like in
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popularly defined old earth means billions and billions of years yes right so we have to
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acknowledge that when we say race even if we define it that's not what everybody hears this
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is my point yep exactly but um someone mentioned the jews and i'll add this in there as another
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example uh there's a group of people called the ashkenazi jews that claim to be the origins of
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the people that obviously got blessed there's some of the highest rates of schizophrenia because of a
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genetic malfunction in a dst gene which leads towards schizophrenic symptoms which include
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mental disorders difficulty understanding reality like it's kind of an ironic like a people claim
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to be these who are objectively not that they have higher rates of mental illness like talking
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about dna and everything's gonna get clipped by right wing watch but but objectively the clinical
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literature shows there's a group of distinct people that have these higher rates and so it's
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not just like like you guys found the two examples of diet in the side of the other no it's because
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all different people we can give multiple examples exactly yeah that and i think that is a good
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example because you're talking about a group of people who um now the argument that you made and
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i understand that that is technically my position and for anybody who wants you know that has to be
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fleshed out thoroughly and i could one i could be wrong two uh see my published work and when i say
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published work, I don't mean peer-reviewed articles because I'm not that guy. But I do
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have a nine-part podcast series with Andrew Isker on Israel and who are these people? How should we
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think about them? What does the Bible say? And basically, our position is that Romans 11 was
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ultimately fulfilled in AD 70, that it's not that God didn't keep his promises, but there was a great
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spiritual revival. A bunch of people did come to faith in Jesus among that generation that Jesus
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was actually speaking to in Matthew 24, 40 years later, many of them still living with the
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destruction of the temple in Jerusalem and all these kinds of things from Titus coming in, who
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later became emperor, that many people saw that. They saw Jesus coming on the clouds, clouds
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signifying judgment like Joel 2, Isaiah. And so they saw that as judgment language, not heavenly
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pretty clouds. And they realized, oh man, Jesus literally said not one stone in the temple would
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stand on another. This is a fulfillment of the prophecies. We crucified the son of God. He was
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right we were wrong and many actually did repent and so god's promise was not neglected it actually
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was fulfilled um but it was fulfilled 1950 years ago and it's not a future promise today so no
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future land promises and also not a future spiritual revival so then the question of course
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becomes well then who are these people i don't think that we need to this is back to michael's
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point like you can't just invent a new word when the whole culture already you know so i'm not
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advocating for um that country over in the middle east we should call it something besides israel
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right that's just not going to happen that's just that would like i would devote my life to a
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an endless fruitless battle of trying to change the name like that's just it's just dumb so for
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all intents and purposes they are the jews i would just like to maintain uh whenever i'm able to
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clarify and define my terms um these are not the israelites of the bible of antiquity right um these
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are a a new people called the jews and and not new in the sense that they just sprung up you know in
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the last 50 years, like there's centuries. But here's the deal. All the way back to what you
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said, Wes, if I'm right about that, and Richard Baxter even holds something. So if you're wondering
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in anybody in antiquity, hold that position. It is not the lion's share. It's not the lion's share.
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It's a minority position. And I'm willing to admit that. But guys today would be like Jim,
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you know, James Jordan, Andrew Riskier, myself, and other guys on the new Christian right. But
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But with that, if we're right, then you're saying,
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so a people who are trying to, trying to...
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they just basically emerge about 600 or so AD
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So they didn't intermingle with outside groups.
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That's one of the things that could help mitigate
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after the end of the disbursement of the judean people they just emerge but this is a group then
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claiming continuity which really would probably be those that have lived in the region since before
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that time they claim that continuity but then on an objective level they have some of the highest
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rates of schizophrenia right of any people my point is if you have a people that um are defined
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by many things as many as all people's different peoples are defined by much more than just one
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thing but there's at least two things not the only two things but at least two things one
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claiming an identity that may not actually be theirs and number two the identity that they're
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claiming they're also claiming um with their ideology and the religion of judaism um they're
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claiming a a unique and um explicit hatred of the lord jesus christ right so if you so even if you
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aren't don't have the lineage actually tracking back to abraham and first century you know jews
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Even if that's not the case, if you're claiming to have that lineage and saying, you know,
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and some of your religious literature literally talks about Jesus, you know, being in hell right
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now, burning in human excrement, which is a teaching of the Talmud. So, if that's your,
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if your people and your culture has been shaped by that religion and that ideology, we hate Jesus,
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he's burning in hell in excrement, human excrement. And also, you may not, most Jews
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or at least possibly, according to our opinion,
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Is your legitimate position, you shouldn't know that?
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differences in IQ and this, that, or the other. It's not even like, yeah, this is true, but we
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should do something different about it. It's, you shouldn't know that. I'm uncomfortable that you're
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even aware of that fact. But like, this just, this is a well-known fact that has been clearly
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replicated. It just is a reality of the world God made. I want to jump on there. One thing before we
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go to our break. This really runs into a lot of problems in healthcare, because there are things
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that certain peoples are genetically predisposed to.
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simply because people have to run around like this, you know?
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So we want to try to get to some of the questions.
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I saw him, the cursor on the screen was just going wild.
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One, we need to go to our last commercial break.
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Two, we need to make sure that Wes is able to leave it all in the field, so to speak.
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So let's go ahead and go to our last commercial break.
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some great super chats. The final thing I want to say, people hate when we talk about this topic.
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They say it's eugenics. They say it's racism, like even just knowing and laying it out and
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being clear, like, hey, here are the differences. But here's the deal. Like these predispositions,
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diabetes, schizophrenia, like Parabond, all these different, and there's many, many, many, many,
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many, many more. If you don't talk about them whatsoever, you remove from people the option,
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the hope of saying, and it doesn't have to be this way. There are probably, we have a number
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of viewers today, some of them certainly probably have type 2 diabetes, and some of them could even
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be Native American. At the end of the day, you're going to have to eat healthy, you're going to have
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to care about physical exercise now knowing this knowing the predisposition that you could have
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because some won't even say it like well you know everyone kind of has that risk for this
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we said hey this could be a risk factor these are the things you need to do and you are at
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high risk and you are at higher risk reason this is more likely to happen to you cardiac all the
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time right you go in the doctors like you're at risk for cardiac disease you need to it's just
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whenever we want to group them into certain peoples who are more likely to have a predisposition
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they can be turned off by the way that you live.
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It can make a compounding significantly greater difference
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Right, but my point is, that just, that rocked my world.
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It's only been about a year when I thought, you know,
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I started talking, you know, the last five years about,
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And about, you know, last five years, I was like,
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yeah, and also poverty gospel, prosperity gospel's bad.
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We want to leave in addition, not as a substitute,
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but in addition to a spiritual inheritance nothing less than that but more than that we want to leave
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a monetary financial inheritance and i started talking about that over the last five years
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and over the last one year i started realizing you know combining some of these things
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west that we've been talking about today with scripture i realized what if you can actually
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leave a spiritual inheritance a financial inheritance wealth and even a physical
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inheritance health right not that not that your offspring are going to live forever anything like
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that and not that god owes it to you he's still sovereign he allows for suffering and sickness in
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the world your great-grandchildren you could love the lord your children love the lord your
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grandchildren love the lord and your great-grandchildren love the lord and one of them
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um is diagnosed with leukemia at two years old yeah like we're not we're not this is not the
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prosperity gospel we're not it's not we're not negating those things yeah it's not a guarantee
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but we're talking about statistics of likelihood, of likelihood. God's always sovereign and there
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will always be tragedies and exceptions, but we're talking about going with the overall general grain.
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And when I realized, oh my goodness, this didn't, my point that I'm trying to make is this did not
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take away from my faith in the word of God. It only strengthened my resolve. It made God's word
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all the sweeter, all the truer, all the more authoritative to realize, whoa, what God has
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promised in his word is actually applicable at every level, not just in a spiritual plane in the
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17th dimension, but it's applicable spiritually and eternally. That's first, and that's ultimate,
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but also financially and also even physically in terms of not just wealth, but also health.
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That Winston Churchill could smoke cigars all day, drink like a fish, take random naps,
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wake up play with action figures methamphetamines during the war methamphetamines during the war
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not sleep at night um call the war delicious and tell everyone i you know written testimonies of
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how much he loved it refuse all the chances of peace i mean be an absolute be an absolute maniac
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churchill was a maniac and he could be a maniac and not not just being a warmonger which he was
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but but in addition to that i'm saying physically in terms of his diet and his health habits
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and die at 90 how because he was standing on the bones of the english stock the english stock
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of a like close to a thousand years or at least you know eight nine hundred years of of practices
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both in diet and exercise and monogamy and sanitation and all these things that were far
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superior at that time compared to multiple other peoples and cultures around the world and so he
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took an inheritance right so a wise man leaves an inheritance to his children's children i'm saying
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that's spiritual first also financial also health and he um took that inheritance and chose not to
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give it and shut all those genes down you know by he didn't have many children did he i don't know
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but i'm just saying based off of this research theoretically he would have had all the wrong
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habits and he would have he would have taken that inheritance and like the prodigal son
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he would have lavishly spent a lot of it on, well, but I just, I want to
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live life to the fullest and play with action figures and take naps and smoke cigars.
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This brings something that I thought about earlier, and now it's back, so I'm going to say it.
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Sometimes we look at the nine-year-old grandma. I have a, my wife has a great aunt who, she drinks
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She's not, she's in her 90s and she's still spry.
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where the guy that smokes three packs a day lives to 85,
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We need, like the life of the Christian is lived by faith.
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I saw some people that bucked the trend you have two choices you can say well I'm going to choose
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to live in an unhealthy way myself and God made it work out for them he's going to make it work
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out for me or you say no no by faith God has said that the discipline the bodily exertion
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and the being healthy and the honoring your parents and all of these things they go into a
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healthy lifestyle are still important regardless of what I might see the 90 year old or the 85 year
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grandma or grandpa doing we live by faith and so like like what part of what i'm trying to get at
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is a lot of people are going to listen to what you said west and i you know i hear some of this stuff
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a little bit because my wife's medical um but if you're just coming into this topic it's like oh
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this is totally overwhelming part of it is like you can educate yourself this is an emerging field
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i just bought a book on epigenetics that i'm working through um but also if you are simply
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faithful to obey the commands of god of being healthy providing uh desiring to leave a long
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life so that you can be a better steward so you can see your great-grandchildren and invest in
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them like like part of this is people before they knew about epigenetics were doing this already
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simply because christianity or even just natural law informed how they lived right right this is
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not even though it's verging on rocket science at the technical level it's not rocket science
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in the practical level well to explain how it happens is rocket science yes but to know that
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simply what you should do is not rocket science unfortunately breastfeeding is like of course
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we do live in a system that's working to to provide counter narratives to all of this
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that's right that is a reality right people are even people who think they're healthy
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can be living in very unhealthy ways now because our our nation is is nuts right now but
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all right okay we've got a super chat i'm gonna hit this one personally this is from philip
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nathaniel one of my best friends from back home actually really good guy uh he says this first
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of all, $50. Thank you so much, Phil. I really appreciate that. He said, thank you for doing
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the Lord's work. My wife and I, wonderful wife, they got married. I was in their wedding. They
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were married young. They said, we're going to get married. We're going to start a family.
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He said, my wife and I are the fourth generation in our families of divorce, abuse, and fatherlessness.
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And I was on the front lines when we were both friends, younger on, to all that that went on.
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We both committed to ending the generational sin with us. God has been good. Hey, Wes,
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thank you for this live stream thank you brother and god bless yeah that's a good one a couple other
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super chats we'll start with some of these are from earlier and they were just uh they weren't
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necessarily questions so we didn't tackle them right away but granddad farms thank you very much
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again for your generosity said uh ga from emmet idaho see uh see if you can get on right room
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watch with this episode we did our best i think well we actually did our best to be careful yeah
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right but the subject matter is just so controversial that this this one might like
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we might have like three or four clips on right wing watch or from probably christians yes you
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think that's the same thing these days right wing watch is more charitable right like seriously when
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when right wing watch clips me out they actually leave at least some of the context the most
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uncharitable sinister i mean just really like just you can just tell it's just mean spirited
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like where it's like spliced up up up up up like and it's not even like just cut out of the overall
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context but it's like three seconds then seven seconds then four seconds and like like just
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just deceitful just absolutely deceitful right wing watch uh the pagan kamala voters who
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aren't christians and hate christians they wouldn't do that they have more integrity the only people
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who do that are um well like unsupervised uh women tweeting sure is the name like it's seriously
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it's um it's it's women um who profess to be followers of both genders of both genders that's
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right. Some of those women have beards, but for the most part, it really actually is women
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in the literal sense who claim to be Christian and actually are far more deceptive than a group
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like Right Wing Watch that's not Christian at all. The Westminster Catechism on the commandment
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to not bear false witness against your neighbor is very strong in its prohibitions of all types
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of defaming. So any type of, and maybe like, well, it's not slander. That's literally what
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he said. Deception, falsehood, obfuscation, all of those things are strictly prohibited
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by the law of God. Ben Hofstadler, thank you so much. $50. Get that support going. Men,
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it's in all caps. Keep it up, guys. Changing the world with your submission to the spirit.
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Men and women, that's it. Only way there is something produced through a union. Amen.
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and one more micah timmons yep uh super chat 20 thank you micah he says thank you brothers for
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your ministry uh greatly looking forward to the conference p.s if you find any help uh or if you
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need is what i think he's saying any help with uh tech at the conference then let me know um
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and i guess that's his x handle it's at the 1689 wizard at the 1689 wizard nathan our tech whiz
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make a note of that. If you do need any volunteers or help, Micah Timmons at the 1689 Wizard.
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Thanks, Micah. Let me hit the, this is a biochem question. I'll hit it quick and then I can hand
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it to Neville. Dolly0987, I'm a biochem student, biochemistry, so this topic really interests me.
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I don't disagree with anything said, but I'm curious if you are specifically referring
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to epigenetics only, referencing epigenetics only, or epigenetics and natural selection.
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it is epigenetics and natural selection natural selection happens much higher at kind of a
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population level so like lactose for example people that could tolerate lactose were able to
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have better nutrition and have more children and then their children were able to so it's
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kind of natural selection high level think of epigenetics that's there are patterns for sure
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but also that's much more like individual like me specifically passing on diabetes predisposition
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this together so it is natural selection and epigenetics for the record natural selection
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the christian is not opposed to it that's not evolutionary biology that's just simply stating
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that the strong god has made the world such that the strong survive and do better yep
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okay um any other good questions nathan here's one from yeah that's a really interesting question
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neville says do you think the renewing of the mind but the gospel does normally fulfill
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still fully does fully overcome a genetic intelligence deficiency built up for generations
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of unbelief i'll answer this one because i'm for for the three of us on this particular topic and
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let's be let's be real on most topics i'm uh the moderate centrist between the three of us
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so this would be my position and all three of us have talked about it a little bit on the podcast
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uh here and there and we've talked about it you know just as friends offline uh multiple times
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with other men in our church, because it's fascinating. And it's a question that you're
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going to have to answer. I understand that some of the other pastors and Christian YouTubers
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and influencers are going to say, you're racist and you're Hitler. None of us are Hitler fans.
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We just also don't think that we need to define everything in the world for all of time based off
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of Hitler. We think that that's part of why we're, that's what the post-war consensus in a nutshell
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is is everything i don't like is hitler like why can we not have nice things well because 80 years
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ago there was a german dude who did x y and z um no you're allowed to have nations they're allowed
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to be independent and sovereign you don't have to have gay globalism you can have hierarchy uh where
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there's still equality under the law and everybody's still made in the image of god in the eternal sense
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you have equal worth and dignity but you still recognize disparities and differences because god
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didn't create a homogenous world but he created a world uh with beauty and part of that beauty is
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with distinctions, and distinctions naturally create disparities, and disparities don't always
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necessitate injustice, but it could just be rooted in God's created order and all these kind of
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things. You could do all that, believe it or not, and not even know how to speak German.
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I would be a point in case. So, all that being said, there's that, but a lot of guys are just,
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they're not going to be able to go there. And these guys are going to become obsolete. They
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are and and i don't it just i want to be really clear i don't want that i'm not celebrating that
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at all i mourn that um there are there are guys who i i would like to have a strong christian
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voice for for decades to come i really would but um but here's the deal um we you think oh we're
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american free speech no we have not had freedom for decades especially when it comes to information
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and speech and things being suppressed and all around the world right now whether it's jd vance's
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speech in europe you know um and and uh in germany you see like they're like did you share a meme
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you're going to jail you know like i mean like yeah it's real and um and you've got pastors like
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ministers like and i'm not trying to open the can of worms and redo this but but you know i won't
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say the name so for those of you who aren't privy to this story it doesn't at least doesn't involve
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new you know new people coming into some gossip thing but but with some of the controversy that
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I recently went through, there was a guy, you know, who, you know, he explicitly said, I don't
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think that we should have free speech in certain regards. And I do think that the state should
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crack down with legal penalties on somebody who questions the number of the Holocaust or something
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like that. And this is a Christian pastor, a reformed pastor. And he's saying it as though
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it's like like just the gospel truth like of course and how could you joel be so racist to
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think otherwise you know and and i got in big trouble for i got in big trouble for um having
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a differing opinion from the opinion that um you know the gospel of of six million and not one less
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and and if it is one less uh you're going to jail uh like i got in big trouble for that and uh and
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it wasn't even something that I was espoused, but defending a man in my church. And so my point is
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faithful ministers, including that minister, I think is largely faithful. So I'm not trying to
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disparage anybody. The point is that a lot of guys, good guys, good guys, they can't go here.
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But the world is going here. The world is. And we don't want to go with the world to appease the
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world. But we do want to explore and say, but is there anything that all truth is God's truth? Is
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there anything that is actually god's truth here because if there is then we want to be able to say
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no the bible actually addresses this there's actually a christian answer to this there's a
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christian alternative uh with this um and and not just put our heads in the sand and pretend that
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it's not there and hope it goes away and so all that being said my point is that um
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and and looking into these things i'm what i'm trying to do is with everything i'm trying to
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like the Bereans, test everything with the Word of God. Test everything with the Word of God.
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And that being my final arbiter. So looking at natural revelation and realizing that,
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okay, this is God's world. He made the world. And there are true things that we can observe.
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And those things, if they're really true, they won't contradict the Word of God. So looking at
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those things and the position that I've landed on for about a year now, where I'm at, and I could
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be wrong. I could be wrong. Put that on my epitaph. Here lies Joel Webbing. He could be wrong.
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But the position that I've landed at as of now is I think that the gospel really can change
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everything, but slowly is basically how I would say it. So back to the question, Neville says,
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do you think the renewing of the mind by the gospel does normally?
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fully is the key word there right fully overcome a genetic intelligence deficiency built up
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uh for generations of unbelief it's a great question and i like the way you were yeah neville's
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thinking he so he he's everything i'm saying he he already gets it's clear that he gets it from
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the question um what i would say is um i think significantly i would say significantly i'm
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inclined to think fully but i definitely would feel comfortable saying significantly but here's
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caveat i would add over generations so no i don't think that you can come from a um a people
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who for a thousand years um were uh sexually uh not monogamous um using substance abuse and
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worshiping demons, um, violent, violent, um, promiscuous, um, uh, no, no, uh, system of
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sanitation. Um, your, your diet is, uh, instead of eating cows and cooking them, you eat, you use
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cow dung, you know, in your diet. Uh, I don't think you can come from, um, that being your
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ancestry, and then in five years, you know, or even 20 years, in one generation, in your personal
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life, fully, try and answer the question, fully overcome all of the genetic deficiencies and how
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that might affect things like intelligence or whatever, all in the course of one generation.
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I do think that you can say, the curses stop with me. As for me and my house, we're going to serve
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the lord and then you just try to be the faithful servant if you have five talents or two talents or
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one if the master is only in his providence has only given you and your house one talent then
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don't be like the wicked servant what made him wicked wasn't being given one talent what made
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him wicked was that the one talent he had he didn't put in service of the master so take your
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one talent take whatever you got right if you have a lower lifespan it's like i'm only going to have
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70 years of life instead of 85 or 60 years of life or whatever, or I have an 85 IQ instead of
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100 or 120. You take your intelligence, you take your life, you take your gifts, you take whatever
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the master gave you because he gave you something. You have breath in your lungs. He gave you
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something. The master has been generous to everyone. There's not one person on this planet
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that Jesus hasn't been generous to. And he's been generous even to the poorest of the poor.
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we all because the only thing we deserve is help anything more than that is generosity from the
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master so so he has been generous with you you take whatever generosity he has given you and
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you don't get bitter you don't get angry by comparing it to his other servants and saying
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well he gave me less you take your lot the lines have fallen for me in pleasant places what makes
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it pleasant is not um the objective place where the lines have fallen what makes it pleasant is
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is trusting that the lines have sovereignly fallen and that the lord is the one who laid
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them there, that it's his doing, and that it's marvelous in our sight, that he's good, that he's
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just, that he's kind, and that he's working all things according to the counsel of his will for
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the good of those who love him and are called according to his purposes. You believe that.
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You take that to the bank and you say, the generational curses end with me. As for me and
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my house, we will serve the Lord with whatever we have, however much, however little. And will it
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fully? Can the curse fully be undone even at a genetic level? I'm talking about even IQs
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increasing. Yes, I think so, but probably not in your lifetime. Probably not just with you.
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If you're sitting on a thousand years of demon worshipers and pagan ancestry and no sanitation
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and substance abuse and promiscuity and cannibalism and all these things, then it can
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But it happened for you and your posterity the same way it happened with other cultures, like European cultures.
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They had to turn and convert and follow Jesus and do so faithfully and patiently over generations and generations and generations.
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And if that's racist, well, then number one, then racist just, then we just all need to admit that the word just doesn't mean anything.
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um it's then if that's how you define racism then racism really isn't a sin number two um if that
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really is um you're gonna say well okay well i'll use a different word but that's you know whatever
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that's ethnic you know animus or what um guys you are um you it's it's like a computer program
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deleting itself you you you have just rendered yourself completely and utterly obsolete um
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that world i understand that like for especially for those who are older you grew up in that world
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the world where um the world of usaid where everything where nature is artificially suppressed
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or inflated by billions and billions of dollars and programs and systems and three-letter agencies
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by the dozens who hide these sources and give you this made-up sources and manipulate and the
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propaganda of having just a few news stations that they all work in concert with that guys i'm
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the boomer world is over it's over um you you will not be able to survive with the uh with
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the principles that you once had that used to be you know they used to be workable effective
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principles they are not going to work in this new world and i'm telling you this new world it's scary
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in a sense it's it can be intimidating it can be daunting who knows like jesus please you know
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Jesus, take the wheel. Please lead it in a Christian direction, because you can veer to
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the right and towards nature, and it doesn't necessitate that it's Christian. It can be a
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pagan nationalism. It can be a pagan new right, whatever. It can be Islamic. The verdict's still
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out whether or not it will be Christian. And a lot of that is up to ultimately the sovereignty
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of God, but in terms of agency, to Christians. Are we going to accept the providence of God
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and celebrate even what he's doing and say it's good that we can have free speech it's it's good
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that lies and manipulation and propaganda are being exposed every day a new story of these
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things being exposed it's good that the billions of dollars that are going to fund programs in
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pakistan that lie about nature and try to brainwash people and indoctrinate people that they're being
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canceled it's good it's good it's good but here's the deal here's kind of the the consequences of
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that, well, on one hand, then crazy progressive leftists aren't going to be able to do very well
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in this new world. But also, even your neocon, boomer, post-liberal...
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Egalitarianism, everything's flat and the same.
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Neochristianity also won't do very well. Because this next generation, they have the whole world's
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information in their pocket generation z is going to look at you pastor and they're going to say
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i like him he's a nice guy you know i i don't have anything against him but he's either lying
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or or he's dumb and in either case neither of those look i can't i can't follow him
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you know like i can you know 15 years from now i can come and visit him and bring him cookies in
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the nursing home you know and like but i can't but he can't be my leader he can't lead me because
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he's either ignorant or deceitful and so all these things are going to come out the fact that people
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are different is going to come out it's already coming out so then the question is can the
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christian run into that space without fear without guilt but with a bible in his hand with courage
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in his heart and with the blood of Jesus atoning for his sin and all the sins of his past and any
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generational sins of ancestors and say, I'm forgiven. I'm innocent in the sense of my
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positional justification, my positional righteousness. I'm forgiven. I'm blameless.
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I have the Bible as my ultimate arbiter, my guide, and I'm courageous because the righteous
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are as strong as lions. And I'm going to run into this space with all this new information that's
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been hidden by nefarious people for a very long time and i'm going to trust that the spirit of
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god is within me he'll give me the words and that in his word in his written word there are
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explanations that none of this undoes christianity it might undo uh 20th century christianity
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judeo-christianity judeo-christianity is certainly going to be undone but um none of this undoes
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Christianity. And in fact, as I look at the Bible, and in conjunction with the Bible, as I read the
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Bible alongside theologians and pastors who are older than just the last, you know, 50, 60, 70,
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80 years, when I look at the Bible, and I look at Calvin, and I look at Turretin, and I look at
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this guy, and this guy, and this guy, oh, they had answers for all of this. This is just historic
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christianity and none of these guys were racist bigots they were just i'll tell you they were
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who cares your fathers your fathers were better than you they were better than you um our fathers
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are like and we have been breaking the fifth commandment and dishonoring our fathers
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for decades in the west calling them all a bunch of bigots calling them all a bunch of racists
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uh saying well they're good on soteriology but even when we reprint their books we'll do secret
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revisions and take some of their words out of it and not even tell people talking about reform
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publishing companies now um and you know and and we'll read them on soteriology but we'll tell
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everyone they're stupid when it comes to political philosophy and they didn't know they they were
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better than you not just on soteriology it's not just oh we can learn from their soteriology because
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they were better here no they were better than you on everything and everything turns out it's
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taken me years to figure that out but basically it's taken me about 38 years old it's taken me
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about four decades to realize um one consistent truth one common thread that runs through
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everything um our generation sucks and um we are the lesser sons of uh former better sires
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and the best that we can do in a large sense what we're talking about is like if you're this guy
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then you know the the best that you can do is say well the buck stops with me and i'm going to turn
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the tide well at a macro level at a corporate pastoral level um that's that's kind of that's
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that's really the story for our entire generation, for all of us, even the best and the brightest of
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us. We all, the mighty have fallen. The apple has fallen and rolled far from the tree. Every
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single one of us, even the best and the brightest, we all pale in comparison to these titans that
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came before us because we have been walking in rebellion against the Lord. And so we should run
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to this new space, not be intimidated by new information that's actually just old, observable
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information that's now no longer being suppressed and is now coming to the forefront. And then we
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should run to it with courage, run to it with a forgiven, clear conscience, and run to it with
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the Word of God, and run to it with older, better fathers. Fathers in the faith before World War II
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um before liberalism um and step into that space take our one talent our generation with the one
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talent that we have we're not a five talent generation take our one talent don't bury it
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in the sand because we don't want to be icky in cold you know marxist terms instead take the one
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talent even if all we have is one put it to work and trust that the lord will be faithful and bless
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it, and that our great-grandchildren, they'll be a five-talent generation again, and that one day
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we will have Calvins again and Luthers again. That's kind of taken me a long time to figure
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that out, but macro picture, that's where I'm at. So to answer your question, Neville,
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yeah, I would go so far as to say even fully, definitely significantly, and I'd like to think
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fully. The curse of sin and dozens of sinful, rebellious generations can be undone even as
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that curse affects biology and the body, but over time. That's the one qualifier I would add to it,
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but that shouldn't discourage us, even if it's planting trees whose shade will never sit under.
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I think somebody said something about that once upon a time. Sounds like a good thing.
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so so let's do it let's do it okay next there's three questions maybe we can hit them quickly
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can we trust the literature who is behind the literature that's a fair question scientific
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studies there's lies there's uh what is lies damned lies and statistics it is it is with
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scientific literature totally possible uh but when you get to dozens and dozens of studies
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observing something that doesn't contradict with common sense and how god made the world
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i'm much more willing to trust that than you know some magical study that says formula is better for
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babies than breastfeeding right well you know let me let me see the author list what are your
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thoughts on generational sin curses i don't think they're nobody is generationally cursed to be poor
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right so you're you're mailing money to the televangelist break the generational curse of
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poverty no but what some of what we're talking about could be considered right generational
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it passes on for generations and it's a result of sin right now it's there's certainly no curse
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that it will always be this way that a given people group will always have a predensity
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predisposition to diabetes so curse eternally it's always going to be there no generational
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sin that has an effect see the whole rest of the episode yeah that does exist yeah michael you got
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it in right at the end so i don't know real quick so this is a super chat for michael um i'm going
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to do this one so michael i really appreciate this and just we have been in so much hot water
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that I just, I'm not going to read it exactly the way that you wrote it, but I'm going to
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answer the question for you. It is a good question. It's a fair question. I don't think
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there's, you know, I don't think you're wrong in asking it because it makes sense. But just so
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that I'm not publicly on record saying exactly what you said here, I'm just going to answer
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the question for you and you'll know what I mean. So Michael writes, how much of the blame for this
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Judeo-Christianity and some of the more kind of post-war
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consensus, neo-Christianity thoughts and sentiments.
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How much of this should be blamed on the legacy of,
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but some of the older, well-known ministers and ministries
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that many of our listeners would know if I named them.
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um i would i would just i would say for the guys who are currently living today
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i want to give them a ton of blame i really want it um because i think it it kind of i think it
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started in some sense before them um i i think that in many ways uh they had a choice they had
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an opportunity to stem the tide and in many ways instead they doubled down and perpetuated
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um, many of the lies and the problems that we're now facing. Um, but I don't, I don't think it's,
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um, I'm hard on the boomers. You guys know that. Um, I tried to, there have been episodes where,
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where I have actually gone to some pretty intentional great lengths to honor boomers,
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believe it or not. It's just those parts don't get clipped up and go viral. Um, but I'll say this.
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I think the boomers made some catastrophic mistakes that have just absolutely destroyed
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the welfare and the likelihood of viability of future generations in the West, and especially
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here in America. I just think that's undeniable. However, everybody's a product of place and time.
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Nobody lives life or does theology or any of these things in a vacuum.
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They weren't created in a state of innocence or a state of integrity and then willfully fall and everything starts with them.
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And so, I mean, even like the greatest generation, I don't want to pick on them either, but a bunch of people went to fight wars and then came back and pretty much decided that they had seen so many atrocities in these wars.
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They pretty much decided that the world was fundamentally broken and could never really be fixed.
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And like a lot of your dispensationalism, like Schofield predates, you know, World War I, World War II.
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And I understand that 150 years with dispensationalism and 80 years, you know, if you're thinking of like World War II.
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But World War II and the aftermath and the disposition, the psychological frame that these men came back with their wives who were trying desperately to hold down the fort and, you know, while they were gone.
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and when they came back um they they just the ones who did come back the ones who did come back
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right and then think about all the children who grew up without father fathers like they they
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just they they they're like yeah that like i post-millennialism was pretty hard to believe
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in 1945 yeah you know that the world's getting better and the christ is raining now yeah yeah
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like when when that's like that's your life and so a lot of people just came back defeated like
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world war ii is like well thank god germany lost everybody lost that war in my opinion
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everybody lost that war um and i'm not saying that we should have teamed up with the germans
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and fought against the bolshevik the bolsheviks were terrible i think stalin was worse than
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hitler that's my opinion you guys have heard me say it but they were i think they were both bad
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guys. And personally, I think America should have stayed out of it. That's my political historic
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opinion. But the point is everybody got involved. It was in some sense similar to like Putin and
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Zelensky, you know, it's like with, you know, like Poland and what's going on here and Hitler
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wanting to invade. And it should not in the same way that I've been like, this thing needs to end
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with Ukraine and Russia. And this is not the world's problem. It's their problem.
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um that's kind of how i feel about about world war ii but but that one churchill made it the
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world's problem he did he forced that he's like everyone is going to deal with this because this
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right it's the great britain you know the the empire for which the the sun never sets well
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the sun kind of was setting on great britain and uh and they didn't really like it and um
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And they needed to, they weren't just caring about virtue and, oh, the principles.
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But there was also a sense of, no, Germany, like, we're the superpower of Europe.
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part of the reason why america became quickly a superpower just economically was all of europe was
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was on fire all of europe was in shambles and we were we were hurting too but we had less to rebuild
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than all these other european countries so anyways my point is um even the greatest generation which
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again i don't want to disparage those guys at all but even like the greatest generation in some
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sense. You can make an argument that the greatest generation is also the founding generation of
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pessimism, eschological pessimism, that the world will only get worse and worse and worse.
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And then they give to the boomers their eschatology, but then coupled with a ton of just
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tangible, you know, temporal luxuries. And so the world's only going to get worse and worse and
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worse, and there's not much that you can do about it. And the only thing that you can do,
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You can't really fix things at a cultural level, civilizational level, but you just
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So then the boomers made a ton of money with all these tech, you know, booms and innovation
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and, but then didn't put it into cathedrals and long works.
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They thought Jesus was going to come back next week.
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And so they put it into the only thing that seemed to them to matter with that kind of
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eschatology, if Jesus is coming back relatively soon, evangelism and global missions.
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and then their own kids all went to public school and then grew up and became new atheists and
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yeah it's just it's all a wreck it's all a wreck so my point is just to say to answer the question
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i know it's long long-winded but michael um it's a thoughtful question don't blame me for asking it
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it's a good question um but i guess what i would say in terms of the the person that you named
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specifically and his ministry. And then others like him because he is kind of a stand-in. He's
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a good guy to name. He's representative of a lot of other ministries of that generation,
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of the boomer generation, Christian ministries. Yeah, I think nobody's absolved, right? See what
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I said earlier. So I'm not absolved. Okay, well, boomers are also therefore morally culpable and
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responsible. But nobody, no individual and no generation of individuals just sprouted out of
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the ether or was forged in a vacuum. Everyone's product and place were all in a stream. And this
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generational stream, that's the whole point of today's episode, I think. I think this comes full
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circle. But the whole point is there was a stream that was already moving. And it was a positive
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a stream of Christendom, and it got off the rails, but it didn't just get off the rails
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in 1970s and 80s with the boomers or the 60s, you know, as their young 20s, you know, in the
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sexual revolution. It got more off the rails, and I would argue significantly so, but it was already
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off the rails, and you could argue with the greatest generation and their pessimism and
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feeling defeated and all these kinds of things, like the world was broke and it can never really
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be fixed. And then you can argue all the way back to the enlightenment. There was a positive stream,
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there was a negative stream. That negative stream, the fount head of that negative stream is not the
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boomers. That wouldn't be fair. The boomers might be where that fount in the stream all of a sudden
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goes into a surging waterfall and picks up speed. Multiple streams joined together and made a big
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river. Yeah. The boomers might be representative of that, the currents of the stream picking up
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force significantly, but it's not the head of the stream. That would not be fair.
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