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00:00:26.820 War, disease, famine, worship, prosperity, technology, diet, and exercise.

00:00:37.620 All of these things fundamentally affect who we are as individuals and as groups.

00:00:44.780 But it affects more than psychology or experience.

00:00:48.520 It affects us at a genetic level, and the impact of these events and patterns is measurable

00:00:55.880 over the course of even generations.

00:00:59.700 Because of this, how we live matters.

00:01:03.020 Living well, including eating well, living in chastity, staying active, and avoiding

00:01:08.560 toxins and their impact is not just something that will affect you, not even just your children,

00:01:15.680 but it has the potential to affect untold thousands of your future descendants.

00:01:23.000 God visits iniquity on those that hate him to the third and fourth generation,

00:01:29.320 but he shows steadfast love to the thousandth generation of those who love him,

00:01:35.420 and catch this, and keep his commandments.

00:01:40.760 Yes, this literally means that the wicked reap their reward for their iniquity in their own bodies.

00:01:48.960 Not merely their souls in the life to come, but even in their flesh, here and now.

00:01:55.420 We see this per Romans chapter 1.

00:01:58.880 While the righteous, however, are renewed and protected for their faithfulness.

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00:02:48.040 Welcome back. Here we are. It is Wednesday afternoon. For those of you who are new to the

00:02:52.760 stream, we live stream three times a week on Monday, Wednesday, and Friday at 3 p.m. Central

00:02:58.680 time with myself, and we also have Michael Belch, and we also have Wesley Todd. Now,

00:03:04.500 today's episode, as you just saw in the cold open, is going to be dealing with some things

00:03:08.540 that are important, that we believe the Bible addresses, but that are highly controversial

00:03:13.780 for our culture today, especially within the church. We are going to address some things

00:03:19.800 that the evangelical church has said are not allowed. You're simply not allowed to go there,

00:03:25.920 kind of like Simba and Mufasa. What's that dark shadowy place over there? That's the subject of

00:03:32.000 race and you must never go there. But we are going to go there and by God's grace, we're going to do

00:03:37.660 it carefully, but we're going to do our best to do it courageously and truthfully. And we're going

00:03:43.600 to try to do it using as much of the scripture and also as much natural revelation of what we have

00:03:49.980 data as possible. This is an episode, just to be frank, that I would not feel comfortable doing by

00:03:56.620 myself. And so I'm glad, I'm very, very relieved and grateful that I have both Michael and Wes

00:04:04.900 with us today. Wes has outlined this episode. Real quick, you've said it in the past, but if

00:04:10.680 we have new listeners just for this particular episode, what are your bona fides? There was a

00:04:15.760 comment already from classic troll and he said i guarantee none no one in this lot has an education

00:04:21.180 biology behind high school so went to columbia university for neuroscience behavior for my

00:04:25.160 undergrad oh troll oh oh getting known the biology parts you the neuroscience behavior is the psych

00:04:31.880 part and then the neuroscience is the biology part the two classes there uh dr deborah mausiewicz

00:04:37.160 she teaches them both the regard as some of the hardest biology classes in the nation of which i

00:04:42.100 did both of them. So that was my undergraduate neuroscience and behavior. And now I have my

00:04:45.780 master's degree, master's in public health epidemiology and epidemiology for the record

00:04:50.080 is a study of diseases and traits among people groups as a whole. So the micro level biology,

00:04:56.100 and then the macro level, I hate credentialism, but if it comes down to it, I have the credentials

00:05:01.680 like Paul, I'll say like, no, I have a degree in my mind to speak like this, but allow little 0.95

00:05:06.000 fool's talk. I have a degree in these things. And so that's why I'm qualified to talk about it. 0.96

00:05:09.000 Joel, you didn't ask me.

00:05:10.580 I'm going to state mine.

00:05:11.620 Yeah, well, Michael, you are fantastic.

00:05:13.880 I think better than me.

00:05:15.240 I took high school biology.

00:05:16.640 There you go.

00:05:17.580 There you go.

00:05:18.200 So did I.

00:05:19.040 I think I even took the, what do they call them?

00:05:22.220 AP or like the advanced class?

00:05:24.760 Yep.

00:05:25.060 I think I was right in the middle of the pack.

00:05:27.360 I think you're qualified to lead this one off then.

00:05:29.340 No.

00:05:30.460 So Wes is going to be, he's outlined this episode.

00:05:34.480 He's going to be leading out.

00:05:35.420 We're all going to be pitching in.

00:05:36.540 We have thoughts about this.

00:05:37.580 I've been thinking about this for quite a while, but Wes has done a lot of the research and the

00:05:41.820 heavy lifting, and we're going to make sure that we're looking to God's book of nature that he's

00:05:48.320 written, that he's sovereign over, but making sure that ultimately, in this sense, I would still

00:05:54.740 define myself as presuppositional. In what sense? Because every time I disagree with someone, I just

00:06:00.280 recite Romans 1. No. Presuppositional in the sense that at the end of the day, I'm going to appeal to

00:06:07.020 logic and nature and these things, but I know that these things ultimately have authority and

00:06:11.440 that they are trustworthy, incredible because of the Word of God. To me, the heart of

00:06:17.180 presuppositionalism is when you peel back behind this and this and this and this and you get to

00:06:22.380 the very bottom. What is the bottom? Is it nature or is it the inspired Word of God? And I believe

00:06:28.460 it is the Word of God. So I can look to nature and learn things that God has said through nature.

00:06:33.320 but the reason I can trust my sense perceptions and I can trust things that I see in nature as

00:06:39.340 an orderly world and not just chaotic or random is because the Bible tells me so. The Bible tells

00:06:45.240 me so. So we are going to be looking at a lot of studies, and we're going to be relying on

00:06:50.920 Wes's expertise, and we're going to be doing our best at the very same time to root these things

00:06:57.160 also in the scripture. That being said, real quick, if you haven't registered yet for our

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00:08:12.040 singles event and register for that. So, that's pretty much, that's all of our talking shop. I

00:08:19.420 think we're ready to dive in. All right. The best way I know to illustrate this, we've talked about

00:08:23.660 this before. This is the field of epigenetics. So genetics, epi meaning above, above genetics,

00:08:29.100 what's going on that affects them. The best way I know to do this is to literally illustrate it

00:08:33.700 and to talk about real life case examples. That's what we're going to spend most of the episode

00:08:36.700 doing. But before I do that, it's necessary to just, there is a notion going around. I don't

00:08:42.100 know who said it. Oh, wait, every evangelical, that race is not real. Race comes from this idea 0.90

00:08:47.380 of a fountainhead. And when we describe race, what we're just, we're really getting at is really

00:08:53.660 ancestor. Now, if you could show this chart when you get back into the office, this is

00:08:57.040 the best way I know to illustrate it because it can be hard to conceptualize of streams of people

00:09:02.620 and they break off and they form new populations, new groups or whatever, and they carry on

00:09:07.480 different traits. So this is what's called a phylogenic tree. And what a phylogenic tree

00:09:12.340 could do, if you imagine the first dogs that got off Noah's Ark, imagine there was one canine,

00:09:16.980 right? That class of mammal canine. Well, that dog went on to break into bigger and smaller breeds.

00:09:22.400 Now, you could speak of terrier, and then you could speak of some of the smaller ones.

00:09:25.660 Those would only be two groups.

00:09:26.860 But within those two groups, there's then groups of five, six, seven, eight, nine.

00:09:30.300 And then even within terrier, within lab, within all of these different ones, there

00:09:34.180 would be then sub-differences.

00:09:35.800 And all of those would be because maybe you take a bulldog from England, and you brought

00:09:38.940 it over to America, and that then became the American bulldog.

00:09:42.500 In human beings, we have the same thing.

00:09:44.900 All human beings come from Adam.

00:09:47.080 Adam and Eve were the first man and the first woman, and all men and women come from them.

00:09:50.960 and so everything about what makes us human ultimately originated in them and we experienced

00:09:55.280 what was called a bottleneck at noah so in the story of noah as we see god floods the earth and

00:10:00.800 he wipes out all but roughly three sons their wives maybe a couple other people knowing his wife

00:10:06.880 about eight people so you have tons of genetic data and everything when you say maybe you mean

00:10:11.120 definitely eight persons in all do they have kids at the time nope that's what i'm getting persons

00:10:15.440 in all yeah all right so first peter so you get all the way down to that amount and from then his

00:10:19.920 suns then spread out and they fill the earth and it would look kind of something like this

00:10:24.560 so all i've done is here illustrated this isn't necessarily this part from a study this is for

00:10:29.120 example the european phylogenic tree of the different races that would comprise europeans

00:10:33.840 a big one is the germanic peoples then you had the romance peoples the slavics this would be

00:10:38.320 more in eastern europe celtic all of that and there's more that i haven't mentioned there's

00:10:42.640 more that goes down of course europeans and africans and asians as big groups but the point

00:10:47.040 is you can get as small or as big as you want this is what is tough i get why people say like

00:10:53.040 they don't like race because like what's the difference between an anglian and a saxon so

00:10:57.680 these are both english individuals that came from a germanic peoples and they resided in different

00:11:02.560 areas historically like are they different races in the same way like germans and um like russians

00:11:08.800 are like well not as much then difference from europeans and africans is even bigger

00:11:12.880 there's not necessarily like strict hard and fast rules but if we get back to the idea of that word

00:11:19.260 race fountainhead is referring to different peoples that came from different origins that

00:11:24.200 settled in different areas and formed distinct peoples now you can pull up this chart the graph

00:11:29.960 two chart games out of control this week all these little dots on here i made for the record

00:11:34.820 wow wow wow so let's imagine right here on the left you have imagine each one of these dots it's

00:11:40.300 it's talking about 10,000 people. And this, the common ancestors occupied one space.

00:11:45.680 Each one of the arrows. 10,000 people. Dots, arrows. Each of these represents a large number

00:11:52.260 of people. And at one time, all of these people on the right, which is as time goes on,

00:11:57.680 they all originated from a smaller core group. And that smaller core group shared a lot of the

00:12:02.020 similar characteristics. Maybe it was characteristics like height and intelligence and skin color

00:12:06.780 and all of that but then you had one people as you can see there that maybe migrated north and

00:12:11.280 they went to a different climate and then the people down there that maybe experienced war and

00:12:16.180 then when that war ended there's two people split off but you can begin to see there in the colors

00:12:20.380 that differences arise that people that once had one set of traits on the whole on average no longer

00:12:27.520 share them with the people that they once did the environment events things that happen diet this

00:12:32.560 that or the other change somewhat of their composition. A great example of this, I want

00:12:37.400 to illustrate it on the ground, is the LCT gene, which allows adults to process lactose. So normally

00:12:45.140 the ability to process lactose goes away as a child gets older and weans. They simply don't

00:12:50.940 need that milk anymore. But in especially northern European peoples, it became a very advantageous 0.85

00:12:56.160 trait to have. So there was not a lot of food going around. But what they could do, even adults

00:13:00.120 who had this gene was drink cow's milk because they'd be able to process the lactose and so now

00:13:05.100 there are different groups of people in the world some of them can process lactose i destroy about a

00:13:10.340 half gallon of milk a day literally like it's it's a great source of calories protein protein shakes

00:13:14.940 all of that i can process it other people's can't and if you and if you it's mind-boggling that

00:13:21.060 people would go so far as to kind of deny these differences that common origin we're tracing back

00:13:26.220 to someone, tracing back to an event, tracing back to different lifestyles, different environments

00:13:30.520 would actually create differences. But it's just objectively true. People have different traits

00:13:36.380 from the environment, from their lifestyle, from the different things they do. And it does

00:13:40.460 meaningly affect their life. Being able to process lactose affects my life. It changes my diet,

00:13:46.500 the way I eat. It's a great source of calcium, which helps me, then children, all of those

00:13:50.440 different things. So just to lay the groundwork, common origin, common ancestor, the traits they

00:13:56.380 have passed down to pass down, people's breaking off, starting new groups, intermarrying, all of

00:14:01.480 those come to create differential sets of traits in different people. And none of that is extreme,

00:14:08.660 obscure, contested, anything like that. That is what has been believed. This is what has been

00:14:13.220 affirmed in the literature. This is how people have lived. And it's observable. And it's observable.

00:14:19.000 exactly like melanin like darkness of the skin that's a function of the equator and the sun

00:14:23.900 like people that lived there ended up needing a darker skin to combat the continual effects of

00:14:30.020 the sun versus people that lived farther north that often had fairer skin like that's just that's

00:14:35.560 how it works and so those people that live there develop that trait a culture did not give someone

00:14:40.180 black skin or white skin they were born with it because of the environment because of genetics

00:14:45.860 yep all right all right so far makes sense let's go to chart number three nathan um i realize some 0.95

00:14:53.660 of this especially as we get into dna it's a little bit technical but here's the deal for

00:14:57.820 those of you that want this you're going to get the info and if you can't follow it here's the 0.99

00:15:01.420 deal every minute i keep going atheists look stupider and stupider dumber and dumber the 0.99

00:15:07.460 human genome is incredible the complexity here like i'm just we're going to get pretty complex 1.00

00:15:13.980 just scratching the surface. It is incredible the way that God has made our cells and our genes to

00:15:20.380 be passed down. Every single one of your cells, besides red blood cells, contain 23 pairs of

00:15:28.460 chromosomes, 46 total in general, that contain all of your DNA. Every single one of your cells

00:15:33.920 in every single part of your body. And it's from that DNA, you see there the chromosome,

00:15:38.540 the DNA is contained within the chromosome, and the gene is then contained within the DNA.

00:15:43.060 every protein, everything that makes your eyes, everything that makes your liver, your fingernails,

00:15:47.820 your skin, all of these things come from your genes that are there. And so because you have,

00:15:53.660 for example, all 46 chromosomes in your eye, the eye unravels just certain portions of your

00:15:59.020 chromosome that has the proteins and the enzymes and everything needed just for the eye, unravels

00:16:04.760 it so the DNA is accessible. And then the gene there actually transcribes it. It's called the

00:16:09.080 central dogma of the cell. Transcription, where what's called an RNA polymerase, reads the DNA,

00:16:15.280 and then the DNA is taken into messenger RNA that is then translated and made into proteins.

00:16:21.000 I say all of this to say, these genes contained on the DNA, in the chromosome, in every single cell,

00:16:28.460 can be turned on and off. They can be done with two ways. In the chromosome, the way they stay

00:16:34.540 all wrapped around, because there's like a meter worth of DNA in every single cell, and you have

00:16:39.020 trillions of cells in your body, is wrapped tightly around these things called histones.

00:16:42.800 And histones can be turned on and off with the addition of what's called methyl groups. We're

00:16:46.600 going to talk a lot about methyl groups and methylation in this episode. Methyl groups,

00:16:50.740 methylation. Methylation blocks the enzyme that comes in and reads the gene. So you have a gene

00:16:57.620 here for some type of protein, like vitamin A or whatever it would be. If there's a methyl group,

00:17:02.120 either on the histone that contains that gene or just on the DNA in general, it blocks transcription

00:17:07.360 of it now it could be a truly total like this is not being transcribed at all or it could be much

00:17:12.580 sort of it's transcribed less to a lesser degree transcription that's really important right because

00:17:17.660 that's passing on to new cells so i think you need to exactly that's the that's like copying it down

00:17:22.560 for the next one and the next one and the next one exactly because originally we were only essentially

00:17:26.180 two cells the the zygotes so the sperm and the egg but then they came together and they divided

00:17:30.720 make two and then four and then eight so at one point your eye was like a single cell now it had

00:17:36.880 all the information to make all the pieces of the eye but eventually it took those different pieces

00:17:42.520 it made more cells those replicated those replicated retina and cornea exactly yeah but

00:17:47.360 genes turned off say at that very beginning cell that very first cell that went on to make your eye

00:17:52.360 or went on to make your liver or your heart or anything like that different parts of being turned

00:17:56.860 off and turned on really matter because then the cells that followed would also be turned on and

00:18:02.480 turned off. So all of these different traits, all of these different proteins, habits, ability to

00:18:07.100 process lactose come back down to your gene. Your gene's held across your DNA, wrapped in chromosomes

00:18:12.380 contained in every cell of your body. Praise God. Absolutely amazing. What happens? What could be

00:18:22.760 a way? What is a practical example of the way this worked? The Native American Indians, Rush

00:18:28.040 Juney speaks of this, they really were a hearty people. Obviously, it was variation in the tribe.

00:18:31.840 some of them were much more nomadic, some had settled more, but they were very nomadic people

00:18:36.220 that really, Rush Duny, he lectures about this, they spent every moment of their day working

00:18:41.080 because they had to find food. They were a hunting, gathering community. They didn't have

00:18:46.840 downtime. It seems like the least, the most that they would do was the children would gather around

00:18:51.220 the grandparents at night for a fire. They were a hunting, gathering community, and it's one of

00:18:55.580 the reasons alcohol has destroyed them, for example, on the reservation. There's not much

00:18:59.640 work. They're not doing what they did for thousands of years. So when the Europeans that

00:19:06.220 then went on settled America and became Americans, they took the Indians and they said, we've got to 0.90

00:19:11.080 put them somewhere. We have hundreds of thousands of people. What are we going to do with them?

00:19:14.280 They eventually put them on the reservations. They began to provide a stipend that gave them

00:19:18.600 a bad diet. So Nate, you can pull up this quote. This is quote number one from history.com.

00:19:24.340 And so you had European colonization, and it changed the diet of a people that had lived

00:19:29.700 a certain way for thousands of years and were very good at it.

00:19:32.660 Let me read this for anyone that's listening.

00:19:34.760 During these forced relocations, so relocation to Indian reservations, new foods were distributed

00:19:39.360 to tribes in the form of government-issued rations.

00:19:42.180 These rations, distributed twice a month, originally included lard, flour, coffee, and

00:19:46.080 sugar, and canned meat, generically known as spam, which has been linked to an increased

00:19:49.640 risk of diabetes among native people.

00:19:52.080 This food distribution program led to one of the most dramatic dietary changes in Native American history.

00:19:58.420 The original intention of the U.S. government was to supply rations as an interim solution until relocated Native people were raising enough food on their own.

00:20:05.560 Instead, many indigenous people became dependent on the rations.

00:20:10.380 Some tribes initially abandoned their traditional food procurement practices, but found that there were never enough of the government-issued food to feed all of their tribal members.

00:20:19.720 And so what you had happen, this is late 1800s, this is getting to the 1900s, and most certainly

00:20:24.920 now today is a government-supplied diet.

00:20:28.600 And when we talk about spheres and responsibilities, this is why the government does not provide

00:20:33.280 food.

00:20:34.160 The family does.

00:20:35.420 A father does.

00:20:36.440 Because when the government supplies food, it's going to supply it at the lowest possible

00:20:39.120 price.

00:20:39.940 And the government doesn't really care about diabetes and hyperactivity and all those things

00:20:43.640 because that's ultimately not their problem.

00:20:45.700 They're concerned with just, are these people fed?

00:20:48.400 are they happy? So what have been the results of this? The results of this diet that has been fed

00:20:54.720 to Native Americans on reservations, largely subsidized by the U.S. government since then.

00:21:00.320 In some American Indian communities, this is from a scientific research,

00:21:03.900 type 2 diabetes prevalence among adults is as high as 60%. So prevalence being how many people

00:21:11.920 in a population have it. 60%. Type 2 diabetes is destructive to the body. It is not something you

00:21:18.980 want to have. And for anyone listening, my heart goes out to you because that is a lifelong condition

00:21:22.860 that you're going to have to deal with. This process of insulin sensitivity, I think,

00:21:28.840 type 1, and then insulin resistance in type 2. 60%. Now you can say, okay, but if they quit it

00:21:36.200 tomorrow, imagine tomorrow you get out all the junky sugary drinks. You get out all the sugar,

00:21:40.360 all the fatty foods all of that well it all go back to normal right well scripture does speak

00:21:45.420 about i want to be careful because the iniquity in this case really is in some ways in the u.s

00:21:49.560 government the iniquity of the father is visited on the children to the third and the fourth

00:21:54.460 generation like the bible says that yeah and now god shows faithful love to the thousandth

00:22:01.260 generation of those that love him and keep his commandments but there are effects that just they

00:22:05.680 don't go away. Diabetes is up to 70% heritable. That means in a given group of people, if you

00:22:13.260 took 100 people, and how many of them got diabetes? The difference between, well, they all eat the

00:22:18.460 same diet and they all exercise the same, the difference, 70% of it, could be attributed to

00:22:23.540 genetics. Now, I'm going to get into the genetic exactly here, but you have to understand this.

00:22:29.240 There are thousands and thousands of children today, Native American Indian children that have

00:22:34.600 type 2 diabetes. And as I'm about to show, it comes from that high sugary diet, which led to 1.00

00:22:38.980 a genetic change, methylation, all of that, that are really suffering right now today because of

00:22:43.600 a government subsidy of a bad food program and a bad diet. Like real people with high medical bills,

00:22:50.420 lower quality of life, lower length of life, they're going to live less long. And the point 0.98

00:22:55.840 is, even if they had a perfect diet today, it wouldn't all go away. And it wouldn't all go

00:23:00.480 away tomorrow and 10 years and 20 years it would last i i don't want to make a scientific judgment

00:23:05.880 that every single one there's some arbitrary cut off at the 40 to 60 year mark well three to four

00:23:11.280 generations it would take for this people group in whole to be affected like kind of what the bible

00:23:16.540 says crazy kind of like what the bible says three or four generations yeah anything else to add

00:23:21.940 gentlemen before i get into how nope all right well what's real quick what's the name of russ

00:23:27.920 june's uh book where the whole thing is the case study of the reservation oh yeah the uh indian

00:23:33.600 reservations i'm trying to remember i was going off the lectures if you can find that i just want

00:23:37.680 to be able to recommend it to the listeners you can be looking as west goes on but there's a whole

00:23:41.520 book that uh rush june wrote because he worked his he worked on indian reservations for a lot of

00:23:46.100 his personal work um yeah so yeah that and uh man they were a people that were destroyed like

00:23:52.180 alcoholism he said it was uh there was a fourth grade boy that was pulled in front of the court

00:23:56.460 for disorderly drunkenness wow and he was like well i've just been drunk my whole life like that

00:24:01.800 is the destructive effect and my point is this is not surface level culture this is not well it's

00:24:06.760 habits and its values and this that or the other that can be very easily swapped out one for

00:24:11.260 another no there's a propensity right now at the genetic level in this people towards it's called

00:24:16.520 the american indian published by rj rush juni the american indian by rush to name rj rush

00:24:22.100 genetic propensity towards, but then also, so you could say like, well, there's tons of people that

00:24:27.320 have worshipped demons for thousands of years. I thought it was only a third and fourth generation.

00:24:30.760 Well, if that sin is repeated again and again through the centuries, then that iniquity has

00:24:34.620 continued to be visited. I'm going to show you how this actually works. Again, because I want

00:24:41.520 you to see it. I want you to see the complexity that God's made. So Nate, you can pull up. This

00:24:44.600 will be the next graph. It was already on the TV behind us. Transcription-like factor two. So I

00:24:51.100 talked about transcription. You go from the DNA to the RNA, from the RNA to the protein.

00:24:55.720 So transcription-like factor 2 is one of the biggest alleles for risk for type 2 diabetes.

00:25:00.460 So it encodes a transcription factor involved in signaling that's crucial for your pancreatic

00:25:05.280 beta cell proliferation. So your pancreas is where insulin is made, and it's necessary to

00:25:09.560 have these beta cells that then grow and multiply and secrete insulin. So your TF7L2,

00:25:16.440 transcription factor seven like two, makes insulin. DNA methylation, the addition of methyl groups to

00:25:23.380 DNA to turn these things off. DNA methylation, CPG, there's four different amino acids that DNA

00:25:31.200 is made of. A, T, C, and G are their abbreviations. So cysteine preceding guinine sites. And the TCF

00:25:37.960 7-2 promoter can alter its transcription impacting glucose homeostasis. So I've listed here,

00:25:43.880 you see on the right, what are some lifestyle factors that affect turning off this gene that

00:25:48.880 when it turns off leads to a propensity to diabetes? A high calorie diet, too much fat and

00:25:54.660 calories adds chemical tags to TCF7L2, turning it off in the pancreas. This reduces insulin

00:26:00.740 production, making blood sugar control worse. Fasting can remove them. So then if you have

00:26:06.700 calorie restriction and you fast and you just practice not being gluttonous, those tags can

00:26:12.420 be turned off. And this transcription factor turned back on. Then your insulin works better,

00:26:16.540 lowers your blood sugar. Pregnancy and baby's future health. If a mother eats too much sugar,

00:26:20.260 fat while pregnant can permanently alter her baby's genes. That some of these can truly be 0.97

00:26:25.180 turned off for life. And so you have this thing that helps make insulin, which helps regulate

00:26:30.480 your glucose. You can eat a diet that is high in sucrose, high or high in glucose that suppresses

00:26:36.220 transcription, and you have less insulin in the body. Go to the next graph, Nate.

00:26:41.760 And then this is the ultimate result. So you eat this diet high in sugar, you have less insulin,

00:26:47.620 and that increases your diabetes risk. You develop insulin sensitivity. And this TCF7L2

00:26:55.060 is a genetic risk factor that is one of the most predominant ones and is brought about by high

00:27:00.160 sugary diet. And in this group of people, it is very common. Many, many, many of them have it.

00:27:04.980 It gives them a predisposition, which is not a sentence.

00:27:08.480 So it's not as though you have this, you will develop diabetes, but you will have the risk

00:27:12.360 for it.

00:27:12.960 And you could eat a diet better than someone else who doesn't have this and still develop

00:27:16.440 it while they don't.

00:27:18.760 And all that to say, these are the practical means that God accomplishes it.

00:27:22.760 It's complicated.

00:27:23.680 We wouldn't know this without decades and decades of research and understanding, looking

00:27:27.260 at the body.

00:27:28.260 We now understand that you can turn off the thing that helps you regulate sugar by eating

00:27:32.200 a bad, high sugar diet.

00:27:34.480 Right.

00:27:34.980 It's like you almost like break it.

00:27:37.040 Like it's supposed to regulate sugar to a degree,

00:27:39.640 but if you overload it, it just collapses.

00:27:43.420 It's a relevant question

00:27:44.400 because it wouldn't make sense to answer it later.

00:27:46.140 James says all fats, Wes, or just trans fats?

00:27:51.780 Like grass-fed butter.

00:27:53.100 Like there's some things that are good for you, right?

00:27:54.580 Yes, your saturated fats

00:27:56.480 and your polyunsaturated fats.

00:27:58.380 I'm bullish on both of them.

00:27:59.640 I'm negative on the cholesterol theory

00:28:01.140 of high blood pressure and everything.

00:28:03.680 The biggest thing is what's surrounding those fats.

00:28:05.860 Stacey would agree with you.

00:28:07.360 He absolutely would.

00:28:09.080 What's surrounding those fats?

00:28:10.080 So you're eating a high-fat diet, but it's a high-fat of deep-fried things,

00:28:13.840 or is it a high-fat that's generally healthy?

00:28:15.580 So I wouldn't worry too much about the trans line on your – 0.99

00:28:18.400 you need to be worried about trans in general. 0.97

00:28:20.380 The trans line on your nutrition label,

00:28:24.160 I wouldn't worry about that so much as what is my sugar looking like,

00:28:27.440 what is my protein looking like.

00:28:28.880 If it's high in protein, low in sugar, high in trans fat, don't worry about it.

00:28:32.900 All right. I have one anecdote to add there, Wes. You said that we understand this now through

00:28:39.900 medicine and medical research. But what's amazing is people have, I think, either instinctively or

00:28:48.000 just through process of trial and error, understood this for a long time. I know, for instance, that

00:28:54.020 when we were missionaries in Taiwan, Taiwanese women have a very regimented 1.00

00:28:59.460 diet for the first three months after they give birth and they all have to have it and it's like 0.95

00:29:07.300 a lot of bone broths and soups and meat and things like that what's interesting is um this is

00:29:15.540 speculation here but i would imagine that if you took that same diet and gave it to a western woman

00:29:21.200 it would probably have some benefit to her post-delivery but i bet i bet it would not be 0.53

00:29:26.560 as precisely effective as what has been developed in taiwan with these asian women because just 1.00

00:29:33.760 process and trial and error and over time they've realized like these things for our people produce

00:29:39.120 the healthiest women coming out of pregnancy and then the healthiest babies um you know for the

00:29:43.680 first couple months or years of life i'm glad you brought that up because it's now being understood

00:29:49.760 we don't understand much of it now people adapt to a local diet so if you ate for example from

00:29:55.120 generally the same farm in the same area that experienced the same weather, same farm, the same

00:30:00.280 eggs, this side or the other, your diet works best to that. It adapts to best pull out nutrients,

00:30:07.040 to pull out the things that it needs. So you should be eating a consistent diet,

00:30:10.840 and that's from that same area. And if we're getting into ancestors and all of that,

00:30:14.420 it would probably be best if it's a land, for example, your grandparents and your parents and

00:30:17.840 everything that you live there, you generally ate from those individuals, that would be your body

00:30:22.380 best adapted to the nutrients that it's getting right we don't understand all the mechanisms of

00:30:27.100 how this works but all that being said like do we really need to like do you need to be told like

00:30:32.180 you should eat local beef from a farmer that you know and eggs from a guy instead of the giant

00:30:37.680 chicken farm 500 miles away like like do we really need like a clinical peer-reviewed study say which

00:30:44.120 one's better for you which one if you eat longer term is going to be more profitable for your

00:30:49.220 health like a lot of these things we actually do well i don't know i don't know if we do know that

00:30:53.560 to be honest i you're right like common sense kind of as we're getting back to like living on

00:30:58.660 the land and and we've talked about like the idea is not to go full homestead well the best thing

00:31:03.080 for me to eat local cow and so i'm gonna do 50 acres i'm gonna try to make it profitable

00:31:06.640 my brother in christ you'll spend 50 years and we'll be profitable like it's just farming isn't

00:31:10.720 something that we all can do but generally speaking where do i source my food where do i

00:31:14.580 get things. Local is better. To your point, Michael, people, they live, they pass down habits

00:31:21.420 for generations. This is best. And it really helped me with nausea during pregnancy. This is best and

00:31:27.200 helped me when I was postpartum. Like they've passed these down. This is what people groups

00:31:31.420 always did. They passed on diet, they passed on habit, they passed on different supplements to

00:31:35.040 help them. And they formed something very unique. You couldn't export it. So you couldn't take one

00:31:39.420 people group here. That's like, we eat this mushroom and we eat this and eat that. And

00:31:42.860 everyone across all time, everywhere should do it. People are different, and they have different

00:31:46.880 genes, and they're adapted to different things, and there is not a one-size-fits-all solution.

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00:33:33.440 all right all right we are back i i gotta i i plug this book this is every time we talk about

00:33:42.400 i've been on a podcast i know it's incredible because people are listening like is joel there

00:33:46.080 is he okay did he die does he have bad genes yeah this is the west michael show from here on out

00:33:50.620 yeah all right i plug this book a lot this is the book uh deep nutrition by kate shanahan yeah

00:33:56.520 this deals with all of this specifically more in the diet aspect and to be honest and uh we can

00:34:02.480 talk about a little she gets into beauty as well like uh like beauty is a property of symmetry 0.80

00:34:07.060 it's a property of fertility and she says like look if you want your kids not just to be healthy 0.72

00:34:12.080 they don't have diabetes they have strong bones all of that like uh healthy living is also a big

00:34:17.260 function of beauty and then because people are healthy they look better and then they also people

00:34:22.820 also marry and have children with people that also look better like it's not just an egalitarian

00:34:28.860 level free-for-all like these things actually matter in real i've been saying a lot but like

00:34:34.640 real tangible ways and one of those is beauty and the way people look she says this and this is

00:34:40.560 this is profound kate shanahan deep nutrition taken together nate you can show this quote on

00:34:45.460 the screen taken together all epigenetic evidence paints dna as a far more dynamic and intelligent

00:34:52.620 mechanism of adaptation that has been generally appreciated in effect dna seems capable of

00:34:58.500 collecting information through the language of food about the changing conditions in the outside

00:35:02.800 world, enacting alteration based on that information, and documenting, keeping record of, both the

00:35:09.220 collected data and its response for the benefit of subsequent generations. Junk DNA is full of

00:35:15.440 genetic treasure. It may function as a kind of ever-expanding library, complete with its own

00:35:20.400 insightful librarian capable of researching previously written volumes of successful and

00:35:25.380 unsuccessful genetic adaptation strategies. It follows that more complex organisms, like human

00:35:31.620 beings, with larger cells whose genomes represent a more complex evolutionary history would carry

00:35:38.660 relatively more substantial libraries filled with more junk DNA. And what he's saying is that junk 0.95

00:35:44.180 DNA is in many ways a reference library that's not currently in use. They'd be filled with more

00:35:48.960 of this DNA, and we do know that. That DNA, we don't understand how, but it would appear to have

00:35:54.860 some level of an understanding like, oh, we've seen this before, or we know what this does.

00:36:00.440 There's an incredible study in pigs. And so she talks about this in the book. They took pigs and

00:36:04.900 they deprived them of vitamin A. And vitamin A is a byproduct of photosynthesis, which gets down

00:36:09.260 into plants. And deprived of vitamin A in utero, pregnant pigs gave birth to pigs that had no eyes.

00:36:14.840 It's like, okay, so we knocked out vitamin A, they just don't develop eyes. Well, if there's no sun

00:36:19.620 to go to the plant to produce vitamin A,

00:36:22.860 why would the pigs need ice?

00:36:24.080 They still had lids. 0.95

00:36:24.840 They still had everything.

00:36:25.920 But it would appear at some level

00:36:27.060 there are mechanisms within the DNA itself

00:36:28.720 to say sunlight might not be hitting plants

00:36:31.660 and photosynthesis and creating these vitamins.

00:36:33.780 We don't actually need these anymore.

00:36:36.380 And so we do all this.

00:36:37.980 It's like, wow, we understand.

00:36:38.800 It's all cool.

00:36:39.540 Yeah, and there's an iceberg of things

00:36:41.580 we actually still don't understand.

00:36:44.360 I'm going to get into a more controversial one.

00:36:46.120 And this one is because it deals with morality.

00:36:48.600 The last one, diabetes and junk food,

00:36:50.720 like that one's more of an affliction, right?

00:36:52.660 You're afflicted with diabetes.

00:36:53.920 I have this.

00:36:54.640 It requires time, insulin, needles, all of that.

00:36:57.500 But it's not necessarily a propensity

00:36:59.040 to a certain moral action,

00:37:00.420 unless we get into kind of gluttony,

00:37:01.840 but there's different ways of parsing that out.

00:37:04.300 But I'm going to get into one that's moral.

00:37:05.880 And again, the verse is in the Bible.

00:37:08.900 Faithfulness to a thousand generations

00:37:10.400 of those that love me,

00:37:11.980 and they keep my commandments.

00:37:13.640 What are the commandments?

00:37:15.040 In the cold, I just wanted to real quick point that out.

00:37:17.520 Like that verse, you know, and that's why we included it in the cold open today, but it's not just, um, got to be faithful to a thousand generations of Christians, but included in that, just like the great commission, right? Like it, it's, you know, um, going and making disciples and baptizing them into the name of the father, the son, and the Holy spirit and teaching them to obey, teaching them being nations, peoples to obey all my commandments.

00:37:41.380 And so, too, in this promise that we have, that God would promise to be faithful to the righteous and to a thousand generations of those who love him and obey his commandments.

00:37:54.700 So, there is an obedience mechanism.

00:37:57.440 Yep, absolutely.

00:37:58.820 Nate, you can pull up this graph.

00:38:01.020 So, oxytocin is a molecule that modulates—it's called the love molecule—but it modulates pair bonding.

00:38:07.920 uh emotional connection affection regulation all these different things between is that primarily

00:38:13.680 between like mother and child or everything it's broader than that it's social but most

00:38:18.880 specifically in and i'll get to a study on this in a minute in a minute pair bonding like like

00:38:22.960 the bonding of a husband and a wife they come together in marital union like that's it's not

00:38:27.820 just like it's not just a machine that runs a command or a function or the equivalent of

00:38:33.580 adding a contact to your phone. They're joined together. And that's mediated by real things

00:38:39.620 that happen. It's not just abstract and spiritual, but it's bodily. It's in the body. And so oxytocin

00:38:44.340 is one of these things that mediates it. And so this is a graph from a 2022 study

00:38:49.760 in genes, brain, and behavior of oxytocin expression in major people groups. So just

00:38:57.040 like transcription like factor, transcription like factor seven, like two, just like that

00:39:03.280 one related to diabetes, the O-X-T-R gene modulates, regulates, promotes the expression

00:39:11.860 of the molecule, the gene O-X-T-R to the molecule oxytocin.

00:39:18.880 Oxytocin modulates all of these different things that are good.

00:39:21.560 Your body produces it.

00:39:22.140 Yep, your body produces it at a genetic level.

00:39:24.280 so this is between five different people groups the average estimated expression rate in this is

00:39:32.040 a brain brain region but the higher values indicating more expression so on the left you

00:39:37.060 have africans this is the average expression it's the lowest of the five groups and then in east

00:39:42.140 asians so this would be this would be china vietnam korea japan east asians have the highest

00:39:47.720 expression i'll go through these other ones and come back to east asians in a minute then you have

00:39:51.520 america and michael i want to hear from you on the length of time that people can stay and that

00:39:55.580 matters you have america which is second lowest europeans and then you have south asians so these

00:40:01.020 are some of the southern regions like india i don't know if australia would fit into that no

00:40:04.780 wouldn't so you don't have australia but you have southern asian regions and that's the second

00:40:08.900 highest these are the average levels of oxytocin expression and this is a molecule that helps

00:40:15.920 people pair bond, stay monogamous, helps mothers nurture their children, breastfeed them, helps

00:40:23.680 people control emotional regulation. That people can still sin, but it, it, it sets them up with

00:40:28.820 the highest chance, with the greatest propensity of staying faithful in marriage, of being nurturing

00:40:34.360 mothers. Is that what you're saying? Yes. Yeah. Like a, like a good mother is not, like it's just

00:40:40.740 not an abstract category. Like a mother that loves her children and cares for them and, and

00:40:45.280 breastfeeds, which is a great thing that should be done as much as possible. Sometimes it's not

00:40:48.900 possible, but if it's possible, demand without pain and difficulty and all these things that

00:40:53.020 should be done. And the point is those things are mediated by real physical things that exist.

00:40:58.060 And the graph of different people groups on the whole, on average, it's not a flat line. It's not

00:41:04.400 the same propensity. It's not all of these groups are the same thing. It's not egalitarian. Exactly.

00:41:10.360 And we're not talking about behavior. So this is not a graph of monogamous behavior. Well,

00:41:14.600 these cultures have less monogamy, less faithfulness, less husbands staying in the home, 0.68

00:41:19.280 and these have more. No, these are genetic levels. And the problem is, oh, well, that's just genes,

00:41:25.380 that's just numbers on a screen, that's just molecules deposited in a brain. Well, which of

00:41:29.680 those peoples, of those five different ones that were named, have the greatest level, the greatest

00:41:34.500 family values? Oh, it's East Asians. Compared to Europe and compared to America, East Asians have

00:41:41.180 the most structured long-standing grounded rooted sense of family values of anywhere in the world

00:41:48.260 and they're not perfect and also some of the longest lifespans they have some of the longest

00:41:52.340 lifespans they have honor cultures now all of these different things there's a thousand things

00:41:56.900 of course right that mediate monogamy so nothing in this graph i i just want to note for a second

00:42:02.220 because on x you know there's so many people that hate us and they love us but they hate us well

00:42:10.380 I'd say there's a hundred thousand people that love us and about 10 million that hate us,

00:42:14.300 but, uh, which I'm, I'm fine with that, that ratio, but here's the thing. People have hated

00:42:19.420 me for a while now, but, um, Wes really doesn't get enough credit. Uh, but you were quickly up

00:42:25.000 and coming. And, uh, and I've noticed, you know, on the, the Twitter streets, um, even just the

00:42:30.720 past few weeks, like people starting to realize, wait a second, Wes might be, uh, might be further

00:42:36.680 right than jolt and as they're starting to notice like they're kind of like now they're kind of

00:42:40.940 you're kind of starting to get some of your own credit you're getting your own you know special

00:42:44.520 attention and but i just want to say that like with that chart that you're showing you know so

00:42:48.700 with the haters you know one of the things that i've seen people say that's absolutely

00:42:52.000 false and slanderous um but they're uh they're just white supremacists right well but i i i love

00:43:00.520 white people and i happen i am one i love them right my wife happens to be white my kids are

00:43:06.320 white um so i i love my parents are white i love white people um and i love my country and i love

00:43:12.480 my kinsmen i love all those things um but if we were just white supremacists and that was our 0.99

00:43:18.980 agenda uh you probably wouldn't be showing charts where the asians are kicking our butt 0.99

00:43:24.320 kicking our butts is strong yeah okay right right right maybe not kicking our butt but just you 0.99

00:43:29.780 know of this specific gene that mediates in this family values and monogamy this does not help your 0.99

00:43:34.320 white supremacist case just want to throw that out there exactly all right go ahead and and this

00:43:37.760 culture for the record like japan is two percent christian right they are very their central bank

00:43:43.640 is screwing them over that's a topic for another time but um but as far as a culture as far as trust

00:43:48.040 uh success work ethic all of that like these aren't china is not majority christian so this

00:43:53.340 is not a chart of like least christian somewhat christian most christian these are just different

00:43:57.480 people groups that have lived a certain way and as a result look different. Nate, we can go to the

00:44:03.140 last quote here. But real quick, just let you show the chart, but let's just say it for those

00:44:07.060 who are listening, because we're just, we're just looking at something. There's no animus here.

00:44:10.740 There's not, there's nothing sinful. We don't need to apologize. We don't need to be cowardly. So

00:44:14.800 with the chart, you're seeing East Asians rated the highest. Yes. Americans were second lowest.

00:44:19.540 Yep. And in part, I'm going to argue that part of that is because, um, because of our greatest 0.69

00:44:25.700 strength diversity part of it and um there's also something to be said too for just being a

00:44:35.800 homogenous people that have high trust like europe is higher europe is more godless than us right now

00:44:41.340 in the moment but they're an ancient people i remember i was uh i was back when i worked in

00:44:45.820 consulting i was talking with a guy and he's like our old cities our old cities you're like oh dc's

00:44:50.160 an old city boston's an old city like our old cities amsterdam's like 1500 years old two thousand

00:44:55.260 3 000 4 000. you go to italy it's like this cathedral was built in like 280. exactly or 480.

00:45:01.660 america has existed for 250 years a little bit longer obviously if you go back to some of the

00:45:05.820 original arrivees and mayflower and stuff but um but i do think that's that's one of the things

00:45:10.380 america is second lowest we're even lower than obviously europe and asia and all those different

00:45:15.100 things uh and there's different factors that impact it but one of those is just it's been a

00:45:19.340 while it has not been long that we've been a people and even in being a people our greatest

00:45:24.060 strength we don't even have any type of cohesive sense of who we are right that's been the biggest

00:45:28.320 question right last year like what is a woman that's what is an american or what is you know

00:45:32.560 what is a woman and then matt walsh did am i racist but we yeah we really need like what is

00:45:36.820 an american yep what is a nation um is it people in place or is it just you know some prop set of

00:45:43.020 propositions so yeah so i think it's how young we are as a nation and that like the cement hasn't

00:45:48.800 hardened the dust hasn't settled that it's just been this now there have been various times where

00:45:53.700 things did kind of settle and america did really well you know but then there'd be

00:45:57.760 new waves of immigration you know so from you know like it's the irish it's the italians it's 0.95

00:46:04.180 you know and and we kick them off into the west because there's a lot of land so they'd arrive 1.00

00:46:08.700 people didn't want them there for them kick them out well that's the thing you kick them out and 1.00

00:46:12.080 then they actually get to become settlers right they have something to sell there's still irish 0.73

00:46:15.880 in the east coast yeah but some of these waves early waves of immigration there's still something

00:46:20.980 to settle it wasn't just immigrants um it was actually going somewhere and making something

00:46:25.700 on your own and building um but then you know so that so there's waves of upheaval seasons of

00:46:31.900 upheaval and upheaval and disrest uh unrest and then um and then you know things kind of calm

00:46:37.760 down and the dust starts to settle and then it happens again it happens and but then lately like

00:46:42.180 by design and this is not just us europe is now experiencing this they just have you know a thousand

00:46:47.240 years as a bedrock, you know, so a little bit more stabilization, but it's being destabilized.

00:46:53.320 But most recently, it's not like our past and different historic moments in America,

00:46:59.420 and there's nothing historic that you could go and point to being similar, you know, with England

00:47:04.240 or with France, but it's a somewhat novel phenomenon of your political elites and leaders

00:47:12.740 of these european nations and also here in america intentionally by design trying to

00:47:19.220 replace the native population with poorest borders and and legislation like anchor babies you know

00:47:26.280 which praise god trump's trying to get rid of that it's a horrible horrible policy um that just

00:47:31.820 incentivizes people who are nine months pregnant you know to just just barely make it over the line

00:47:37.800 hit that disneyland trip what hit that disneyland trip so you give birth in the united states right

00:47:42.260 and then drop literally like that's what happens that is what happens so anyways um so all that

00:47:46.920 being said like there's reasons for why america is rated more lowly on this scale and this isn't

00:47:52.240 an overall this was particularly in regards to what oxytocin which again that's not as though

00:47:59.460 you have high levels you'll be monogamous low levels you won't but of different factors of

00:48:04.100 the higher levels you're you're better able to pair bond better emotional regulation also some

00:48:08.900 research here in a minute on mothers and nurturing but right of oxytocin on average on the whole 0.80

00:48:14.300 and it's even tough with america because you have different races that are all here and all of that

00:48:17.860 but on the whole lower than east asia and europe and europe yep and then the lowest was africa

00:48:25.660 yes the lowest is africa uh and we'll have to do an episode probably on the fertility crisis but

00:48:30.940 diversity is something that presence of diversity diverse municipalities communities nations they

00:48:37.580 they don't have people having a lot of children like at the end of the day like that's another

00:48:41.020 reason you bring in that foreign populace and then the people that are there are like well there's not 1.00

00:48:44.780 a lot of future for these children that i could have but why would i have a bunch of them they 1.00

00:48:48.540 have no place to just be displaced and deracinated and all that different thing because they're dumb 0.92

00:48:52.620 and they watch boy meets world and instead of practicing violin for eight hours right exactly 0.98

00:48:57.500 wasn't that hypocritical to see vivek like he's going on his re-imaging rebranding tour like his

00:49:02.540 his crawl of penance and atonement but it's so hypocritical and ironic because it's like

00:49:09.500 you just said americans are too big on recreation and now you're going to the indy 500 or some kind

00:49:14.140 of you know sports car race you know it's like shouldn't you be at home you know teaching your

00:49:18.780 kids math right right yep and when i say home i mean india no it's like i i understand but

00:49:26.220 let's take the last quote so i want to show because the point is you you can modify this

00:49:32.940 this is not set in stone right diabetes 70 of it is genetic iq it's between 50 and 100 but it's

00:49:40.380 probably not it's not all genetic either there are things you can do to modify it so this is a study

00:49:45.260 from 2019 in psychoneuroendocrinology the journal and this was looking at voles are actually really

00:49:51.420 cool you do a lot of studies in these i did some studies on this in my undergrad because they're

00:49:54.780 they're one of the few mammals that pair for life. So we actually, we look at them and we do things

00:49:58.500 to them we couldn't do to humans and understand the effects of oxytocin for these moles, these

00:50:03.160 voles that literally like as animals have one spouse for life. We report, the author's report

00:50:08.620 in this study, I'm quoting now, that low levels of early care in voles lead to de novo DNA methylation.

00:50:15.420 So early care, this means nurturing, licking, petting, nursing, low levels. So less nurturing,

00:50:21.420 less care, less provision for these little youth in these prairie voles leads to, we've been talking

00:50:27.520 about this whole episode, DNA methylation at specific regulatory sites in the oxytocin receptor

00:50:33.600 gene, OXTR, impacting gene expression and protein distribution in the nucleus accumbens, that's a

00:50:40.740 brain region. These results identify a mechanism by which early care regulates later displays of

00:50:46.560 typical prairie vole social behavior and suggest the potential for nurture driven epigenetic tuning

00:50:53.840 of OXTR in humans. So the reason you can use voles and mice and all these different things

00:50:59.640 when they have the same regions and structures and all of this as humans, you can do something

00:51:03.680 in a mouse. You can observe an effect and say, we anticipate, obviously you're not going to kill a

00:51:07.540 human being, look at their brain and replicate it. You can say, we can, we anticipate this would be

00:51:11.520 replicated in humans. But don't miss what this study is saying. Little voles, they're little

00:51:16.900 babies, and those that received less care had these receptors and these genes that mediate

00:51:22.400 them later on as adults, as moms and dads, this bonding, this social behavior, this emotional

00:51:27.680 regulation, all of that. Those who didn't get that early care early on, their DNA itself,

00:51:32.740 methylation, methyl group, turned that off, turned that off, turned down that gene expression.

00:51:37.500 so then later on in life they experienced lower levels of that ability to do what voles do but

00:51:44.660 the behavior that it was tied to was not abstract and it wasn't chemical or molecular it was

00:51:49.900 nurturing behavior it was care it was obviously they're animals they're not human beings it was

00:51:54.840 love and the authors say in that study like this guys is not this is not 4chan literature this is

00:52:00.900 peer-reviewed academic study we think the same thing would happen in humans we think the same

00:52:06.400 gene, this same mechanism, this same care, love, and nurture, if deprived early on, would impact

00:52:13.620 an individual later in life through the same mechanism. So you're saying with people that it's

00:52:19.180 possible, maybe even likely, that if you had not just one generation, but I assume it would only

00:52:26.180 compound if you had like three generations or four generations of a loving mother, ideally if

00:52:33.520 she's able to, like my wife was not able to breastfeed. And we're on our fifth child now,

00:52:38.200 a little baby, Mabel, who's doing great. She's about three months old now. And she's our first

00:52:43.360 child that my wife, Megan, has been able to breastfeed. And with each child, she was able

00:52:48.300 to produce a little bit more milk, which is amazing. And I think that's happened naturally

00:52:53.200 with her body, but all of it is the work of God and the way that he's designed her. It's like

00:52:57.080 each child, it's like training her body to do that. But anyways, my point is,

00:53:03.300 If you had like three generations of a nurturing mother, stay-at-home mother, especially in the early years of life, and if she's able to, I'm not saying that it would just be intentionally by design.

00:53:16.120 I understand my own wife wasn't able to breastfeed, but for those who can, she chooses to breastfeed and all those things.

00:53:22.860 and um a father i would imagine the mother would be more integral but the father for those later

00:53:28.600 years as the child starts to develop if he's also in the home um and providing and and doesn't

00:53:33.960 abandon the marriage and abandon the child and that happens consecutively for three generations

00:53:38.180 um we would say on the spiritual side that's discipleship um and but then we would say that

00:53:47.140 like god created a world that's so incredible and so magical i mean he made a magical world

00:53:52.160 right it's like oh well that's just science yeah but but he made it the fact that water

00:53:56.760 i forget who said it gk chesterton or lewis that like water flows downhill like when it you know

00:54:03.480 god could have made it go up it but it's just as amazing we should we should be amazed um for us

00:54:08.240 it makes sense and so we're not we we lose the the the sense of all but all this is built into

00:54:13.180 the fabric of the world that god has made and so on the one hand the spiritual way that we would

00:54:16.980 describe it is discipleship. But that also has a chemical and biological side of it that works

00:54:25.960 not against, and it's not just completely severed, but they're working together. On the one hand,

00:54:30.880 it's discipling generation after generation after generation of good parenting,

00:54:35.420 loving mothers, loving fathers. But then also that's having a physical effect. So it's not

00:54:42.000 anything less than the Spirit. It's not anything less than discipleship. It's not anything less

00:54:46.100 than love, parental love, and Christian love for those Christian families, which we would say would

00:54:51.160 be all the greater. It's nothing less than that, but we're just saying that, you know, God moves

00:54:55.680 sovereignly. So, like, whenever someone's saved, well, how does that happen? Well, before the

00:54:59.740 foundations of the world, God and His sovereignty elects, like, all that's true. So, that's the

00:55:04.280 macro-ultimate spiritual side of the equation, and that is the ultimate, because God sovereignly

00:55:09.580 ordains, and the Spirit regenerates, and that's how God saves. But also, He works through human

00:55:15.540 means. Somebody shares the gospel, there's evangelism, there's a mind that's at work,

00:55:19.720 you know, and firing and making logical conclusions and all these different things.

00:55:24.080 And so, we're just saying the same thing, not so much with soteriology, salvation, but when it

00:55:29.280 comes to nurture and discipleship and these kinds of things that with three generations of good,

00:55:35.000 natural love and nurturing for a child with a mother and a father, I would imagine that would

00:55:40.640 be all the better, to do that consecutively, and then to do that even to a greater degree with

00:55:47.840 not just being natural love, but Christian love, which wouldn't be against natural love, but just

00:55:53.340 even heightened, you know, grace restores and elevates nature. And to do that with three

00:55:58.020 generations, we would say that spiritually speaking, by the time you get to that third

00:56:02.620 or fourth generation, they've been well-shaped and discipled. But you can also say that the human,

00:56:09.480 you know the the physical biological means at play within you know the larger macro picture

00:56:14.900 of what god has established is that it actually is even making even making them biologically

00:56:21.060 physically with a higher propensity with with a greater inclination towards doing the same now for

00:56:27.380 their own children for their own offspring to be loving and caring and present and nurturing

00:56:31.440 whereas if you have the reverse i'm just spitballing here doesn't sound that crazy but if

00:56:37.900 you have multiple consecutive generations where the father leaves or is in jail right you know

00:56:44.580 and and maybe the mother is there but but it's it's one parent home you know or maybe the mother

00:56:50.640 isn't as an attentive or these kinds of things that um that you're saying that that that's not

00:56:56.740 just a spiritual component but the spiritual component is is ultimate but that there's a

00:57:02.300 physical components and deficiencies that would, that would, they would, they would compound over

00:57:10.280 time that would set that person generations down the road at a greater disadvantage.

00:57:15.780 Yeah. I'm going to hit Alex's question because they're, they're questioning, but I think it's

00:57:20.320 from a good place. So Alex asked two questions that directly relate to this. I'm talking about

00:57:25.020 moles, voles and mice. So people are like animals, Alex asks, how can someone be nurturing if God

00:57:31.040 made them not to be nurturing. And that is some of the thorny question of this. The caution I do

00:57:36.120 want to say, and I'll go back to the animal's comment, is none of this should be taken as a

00:57:40.320 mechanical problem. My mom was absent. Therefore, I'm doomed. I'm fated. Mechanics, I won't be able

00:57:49.460 to commit to my woman, to show nurture, love, all these different things. That's not what's going on.

00:57:54.960 You don't know how her mom, what she maybe gave to your mom, which then passed down.

00:58:00.060 So the genetic level, nothing is for sure

00:58:01.820 because our human genome, our DNA, yours especially,

00:58:07.540 you don't know what sites are methylated.

00:58:09.560 We don't know that, and it's good that we don't know that.

00:58:12.040 God made it that we don't know that.

00:58:13.420 So none of us are able to say,

00:58:15.020 well, I'm sure X happened,

00:58:16.500 or I have this genetic this, that, or the other,

00:58:18.480 and that's why I disobey, or that's why I do what I do.

00:58:21.140 You just simply don't have that excuse,

00:58:22.900 and then even there are people that defy the odds.

00:58:25.060 So someone could come from a long line,

00:58:26.960 and it does happen of bad parenting and an abusive home that didn't show love and they say i'm not

00:58:32.900 going to be like that it stops with me it stops with me it ends with us and they turn it around

00:58:37.960 if they turn it around you know five generations from them their great great grandchildren would

00:58:42.700 would be better than them but but they would still merit um a a great degree of credit and respect

00:58:49.340 and honor because they're the ones that that changed the sequence that changed the time exactly

00:58:53.940 and that does happen that's the thing people are addicts people are violent people and someone

00:58:58.740 says be it the gospel whatever right it's done with me and then they build something new and

00:59:03.420 that faithfulness god blesses at the genetic level to where a couple generations down they're not

00:59:09.320 inheriting what was given to them right that does happen right in god's sovereignty my my personal

00:59:15.360 story is is somewhat in this line uh that um for those who don't know you know when eric khan got

00:59:21.240 in big trouble sometime last year uh for his uh infamous uh adoption tweet well eric the the reason

00:59:30.920 he did that was believe it or not he wasn't just trying to be an edgelord and get under everyone's

00:59:35.380 skin you can always wear something different so i wouldn't have said it like that i've never heard

00:59:42.100 anybody say anything that i didn't think i would have said it differently so okay you want to say

00:59:46.840 like that fine um but but was what was behind the scenes because i i talked to him about it

00:59:52.200 was you know multiple families that he's close to that had adopted and uh and in many of these

01:00:00.480 cases adopted older children through the foster foster um foster care system and then you know

01:00:06.780 god opened their wombs and they had um biological children uh later on and had um obviously not

01:00:13.940 going to be completely inappropriate to share names and i'm not going to go into details with

01:00:18.020 the situation but i'll i'll just say in a general sense um some pretty pretty alarming and terrible

01:00:25.440 tragic things um done to the biological children who ended up being younger by the foster adopted

01:00:33.500 child who was older and especially these children coming from broken homes that their parents came

01:00:40.940 from, broken homes that their parents came from. And yeah, I'll leave it there. I could be more

01:00:46.840 detailed. So that was kind of the behind the scenes was in a lot of these families, they're

01:00:51.200 all Christian families because it's, let's just be honest, it's Christians for the most part that

01:00:55.260 are willing to adopt and serve in the foster care system, all these kinds of things. And so

01:00:59.940 these were Christian parents who love both their biological and adoptive children. Both are their

01:01:05.460 children, and yet had talked to Eric as a pastor about some of those challenges. And Eric was

01:01:12.260 privy to just knowing about some of them, and then even pastorally dealt with some of them.

01:01:17.180 And then from myself, from my own story, so I defended Eric, one, because he's my friend,

01:01:23.460 and I thought he was right. I wouldn't just defend him because he's my friend,

01:01:26.340 but that helps when you have a relationship with someone. I also thought he was right,

01:01:29.480 um and i knew some of the behind the scenes experience um that was informing that tweet

01:01:35.500 and then i also know my own personal set of circumstances so i i was fine defending that

01:01:41.900 that tweet because i'm adopted you know maybe a lot of our listeners don't know that but i

01:01:46.700 i was adopted um my biological parents especially my father um was a deadbeat you know he was just 0.98

01:01:57.040 you know, he was a loser. And, you know, and he probably would have, I don't know. I don't know.

01:02:05.720 I don't know what he would have done. But I know he abandoned my birth mother. And so I wouldn't

01:02:12.180 be surprised if he would have been fine with her getting an abortion. Praise God, my biological 0.87

01:02:17.340 mother did not opt for having an abortion. And she actually, you know, she was charismatic,

01:02:24.460 like most Christians in America, you know, more Pentecostal,

01:02:28.580 but she was a Christian and she was older

01:02:32.040 and she had health problems.

01:02:33.980 I think she was almost 40 years old 0.99

01:02:35.540 when she gave birth to me and she was poor 1.00

01:02:38.880 and didn't have a husband.

01:02:41.700 And my biological father was, you know, hit and run.

01:02:44.180 He's out of the picture.

01:02:45.360 And so she was like, I can't do this.

01:02:47.880 And so she decided to put me up for adoption.

01:02:50.740 And for the few days that she had me,

01:02:53.160 She had me in the hospital for a few days because I had heart complications, which I still have.

01:02:58.860 And so I had to be lifelighted to Herman's Children's Hospital in Texas and all these

01:03:04.180 different things to find out if I was going to be okay and running tests and doing some different

01:03:10.140 things. And so she was with me in the hospital and nursing me during that time. And she wanted

01:03:15.460 to call me something. So she called me Samuel. And that's why I said like a little charismatic,

01:03:19.860 But like in her mind, she was thinking like Samuel, you know, Hannah says, you know, God, if you open my womb, give me a son, I'll give my first child to you, you know, to the house of the Lord, the temple with Eli, the priest.

01:03:33.260 And so she wanted to give me up to adoption, but to Christians and particularly a pastor.

01:03:37.880 My dad was a minister.

01:03:39.040 And so she said yes and let my dad and mom adopt me.

01:03:43.300 But my point is, my parents did such, my adoptive parents now, did such a great job of being,

01:03:54.160 they weren't overly spiritual.

01:03:56.500 Like, they were, you know, serious Christians, love the Lord, believe we live in a world

01:04:01.680 that's not just stuff.

01:04:02.640 Dad was a pastor.

01:04:03.440 Spiritual component.

01:04:04.160 Dad's a pastor, charismatic pastor, for that matter.

01:04:07.700 Both of my parents are members in our church now, and two of my favorite members.

01:04:12.100 besides me fantastic yeah besides you guys of course um but uh but you know but even being

01:04:18.720 charismatic and and and certainly believing that god created a world that's not just stuff and

01:04:22.920 there's a spiritual component they also were just my parents my adopted parents are um just the most

01:04:29.640 down-to-earth people you ever meet and and nothing but the very best ways and just it's awesome like

01:04:35.020 every every sunday night after our second service of church they come over we do a game night you

01:04:39.360 You know, they read to the grandkids, we put them down to bed.

01:04:41.200 And then me and my wife and my parents have game night together.

01:04:43.700 And they're just so practical and they're just normal people.

01:04:48.740 And so my point is from a very young age, though, they noticed because my mom, my adopted mom, God opened her womb.

01:04:57.980 And so then I had biological brothers and a sister younger than me.

01:05:02.660 And at a young age, they realized like, you know, one of these things is not like the other.

01:05:09.360 Joel, he's a weirdo. And I just had some challenges. Nathan, he's our tech director.

01:05:17.840 He's my cousin. He's like, yeah, Joel is a little strange. And by God's grace, he protected me from

01:05:23.860 doing something beyond just that silly, that strange. But yeah, it was different. It was

01:05:30.300 different. Because here's the thing about adoption, even as a child, the bright side is

01:05:36.280 um in adoption someone chooses you um the bad side though is uh someone chooses you because

01:05:43.180 someone rejected you someone didn't want you you know you can say well you but your birth mom was

01:05:48.700 just doing the best you okay well then my birth father like somebody didn't want me um and and

01:05:55.820 and so to you know so i wasn't breastfed for a few days and then it's bottle and it's you know

01:06:01.220 and and there's and there's just there's and then i came from i came physically biologically from

01:06:09.200 a line of as far as i know i don't know every detail about my birth father but a line of

01:06:14.240 not great people not great people with not great habits and and uh yeah and and so with there were

01:06:22.960 things but here's the point all that back to what wes was saying none none of the three of us are

01:06:28.140 saying. And therefore, I'm not morally culpable for any of the mistakes I've made. No one's

01:06:35.360 saying that. I'm a sinner. And I'm responsible for every single sin I've committed. And it's

01:06:44.120 only because of the blood of Jesus Christ that forgives and atones for sin that I have any

01:06:50.580 chance. And that's my justification. But in my sanctification, the same standard that God would

01:06:57.560 hold from for for children who come from a good home he holds for everyone like it's not like

01:07:04.080 there's 10 commandments for for this set of people over here and then i had you know five

01:07:08.560 commandments or you know some kind of lower bar like no and so but but all i'm trying to say is

01:07:14.540 that um the immutable law word of god remains constant for each and every one of us and and

01:07:19.960 every man romans chapter one is is without an apology or without an excuse like i i had the

01:07:25.760 law of God written on my heart, even before it was converted, like all men do, just by being

01:07:29.700 created in the image of God and having a conscience and these kinds of things. And yet,

01:07:35.220 I will admit, and I probably wouldn't even been aware of this because I was so young, my parents

01:07:41.160 would admit, my adopted parents would admit, yeah, it was harder for Joel than our other kids.

01:07:46.360 Like in school, that last thing I said, in school, all the way through elementary and part of middle

01:07:52.720 school, I had three, in every single one of my classes, I always had three desks. I had one in

01:07:59.400 the rows with the other students, one right next to the teacher's desk, outside of the rows at the

01:08:04.340 front of the classroom. Not quite the place of honor. And then one out in the hallway. And I

01:08:08.100 would basically, on a daily basis, hour by hour, depending on my behavior, rotate between one of

01:08:13.580 those desks. And a lot of times, I would just be getting distracted. If I was getting distracted,

01:08:18.880 then i'd have to sit by the teacher if i was being distracting i would you know because there

01:08:23.720 were those moments too i'd be in the hall but the point is um these things are real they're real and

01:08:29.060 none of them none of it makes and so and so there's a certain class of people who are that's

01:08:33.780 just wokeness right like that like they're you're absolved from your sin it's not your fault no

01:08:38.000 um because somebody has to turn the tide somebody has to say as for me in my house we will serve

01:08:42.780 the lord and if i come from a line of of you know i mean that it's like even when i think of like

01:08:49.780 europeans especially i love like people show like some pagan dance or something video on x will go

01:08:55.600 viral and they'll say you should do um you should follow the heritage of your ancestors and do what

01:09:00.440 um what they did and convert to christianity you know like the richest heritage um of of many

01:09:06.460 ancestral people especially among europeans is um giving up paganism and turning to the lord

01:09:12.740 jesus christ and my point is um in every single person's history and every people's peoples of

01:09:19.240 the earth history at some point they had to convert to jesus at some it's not like they

01:09:25.520 just came out of the ether as moral people you know loving jesus they had to convert from pagan

01:09:31.080 demon worship, from bad habits, from all these kinds of things. And so whether it's on a micro

01:09:37.120 scale with adopting a child from a family that's kind of a rough family, or whether it's on a

01:09:43.460 macro scale of a new peoples that comes to Christ and now has to be discipled and learn better

01:09:48.940 habits that ultimately all of it stems from the Word of God that affects every single realm of

01:09:53.180 life, including even their biology, not in 15 minutes, but over generations that would lend

01:09:58.320 towards more health and prosperity and blessing and better habits and morality and fidelity

01:10:07.860 and all these kinds of, like, the point is all these things are true, and these things

01:10:12.740 being true absolves no one.

01:10:14.720 We all ultimately still rely on the grace of God and are still responsible for obeying

01:10:22.180 Christ's commandments.

01:10:23.480 And God will not be mocked, a man reaps what he sows.

01:10:25.920 and there are, right, the prosperity gospel, and the last thing I'll say, I know I've said this,

01:10:31.500 the last thing I'll say, the last thing, the prosperity gospel is a heresy because what it

01:10:36.360 asserts is that you can have the blessing of God apart from obedience, that you can use faith

01:10:41.660 as a mechanism, as like an incantation, as like some pagan spell, and where Jesus isn't even the

01:10:49.040 true object of your faith, but you just have faith in your faith, and by just manifesting

01:10:54.100 positive thinking and just wishing it into existence you can have you know a 401k and a

01:11:00.560 big house and and ferrari um and and health you know and your cancer will go away like

01:11:06.300 that that's a heresy that's a prosperity gospel um but that but that's not what we're talking

01:11:12.280 but what we're talking about is the law of sowing and reaping the law of sowing and reaping and the

01:11:17.500 prosperity gospel are not the same and there's a lot of people i think in the reformed camp that

01:11:22.560 want to say they you know they think they're being cute you know like the pam beasley you know office

01:11:27.200 meme like corbett wants you to see that you know this is the same picture reaping and sowing

01:11:31.360 prosperity no it's not the same picture but one of them's a heresy and one of them's the word of

01:11:35.680 god the bible what i'm trying to say is that the bible is clear that it's not just the life to come

01:11:42.280 but there is there are temporal blessings in this earthly life for obedience not guaranteed you can

01:11:50.900 still get cancer and die, right? God's not entitled. You're not entitled to the blessing

01:11:55.160 of God. God's not beholden to anyone. There's nothing you can do by your obedience to work

01:11:59.160 the God of the universe into your debt. But ordinarily, I'll use that qualifier, ordinarily,

01:12:05.780 God's system and the way that he set things up is that obedience, right? Children, obey your

01:12:10.560 parents. This is the first commandment with a promise that it may go well with you. Not that

01:12:14.660 if you obey your parents, you'll have eternal salvation. No, you only get that by faith in

01:12:19.000 jesus no you'll get an earthly blessing if you obey your parents it'll go well with you and you'll

01:12:23.280 live a long life on the earth temporally in this life and and that's just you know that's the fifth

01:12:29.060 commandment and so if you have consecutive generations of nurturing parents and honoring

01:12:34.560 obedient children and like yeah that's society and if that becomes society wide you know not

01:12:41.480 not just one family but those families become more and more families and that becomes eventually a

01:12:45.360 civilization and the nation and you have that kind of heritage then yeah that that those peoples

01:12:52.600 that come from that lineage are probably going to be doing pretty well do you want to have a

01:12:59.480 predisposition to diabetes or not right literally like would you rather not i would rather be part

01:13:05.320 of the people that he who work does not work shall not eat but these people did work they

01:13:09.560 ate a good diet and are health because of it right which one would you rather personally be

01:13:13.680 part of, which is your kids. That's a great point, Wes. Like, it gets jarring and people get offended.

01:13:20.040 Piantist, hardest hit. I know. It gets offensive. And I know that sometimes we say things, I say

01:13:25.100 things in a bombastic manner. I get it. We're trying not to do that in this episode. I hope

01:13:30.040 the listener can sense that. But I'm glad you said it like that, because that's not being hyperbolic

01:13:35.700 or bombastic just for the fun of it. No, it really is. There was a group of people, and we're not

01:13:41.400 saying it was all their fault talking about um again going back to like indian reservations

01:13:46.440 so we're not like you can put a lot of blame on the united states government exactly so we're not

01:13:50.440 even putting it all all the responsibility on them but but here's here's the facts you have

01:13:55.480 a group of people that um that literally for life don't have to work and so many of them

01:14:01.160 the vast majority don't they don't you don't have to work um and and a bunch of them you said what

01:14:08.280 what was it? 60%? 70%? 60% in some communities. So not every single tribe reservation, but some

01:14:13.420 of them as high as a prevalence of 60% of type two diabetes. Diabetes. And then if you have,

01:14:19.600 which is 70% hereditary, right? This is not something that it's just like 60% of them eat

01:14:23.860 badly. No, almost entirely driven by genetic predisposition to it, which does come by eating

01:14:30.820 badly over generations. Exactly. Am I right that the predisposition is more likely to be unlocked

01:14:38.280 depending on then what you do with it exactly i want to get to that in the last second but okay

01:14:42.120 so you have multiple generations of of a particular people group that because of sin whether it be

01:14:48.420 their sin or other sin or a combination of the two and i would argue probably the latter combination

01:14:52.380 of the two um they're by and large not working and just living off of tax money for a guilty

01:15:03.140 white people, even this is not generosity, it's guilt. White people felt guilty. And so out of

01:15:09.160 guilt, we gave reparations, basically, in perpetuity, indefinitely, to these peoples.

01:15:18.580 And so our sin of guilt instead of gratitude caused us to give reparations instead of actual

01:15:25.360 generosity and teaching people like reparations in perpetuity, which allowed for another sin of

01:15:30.360 apathy um and not working and eating poorly because they weren't willing to work and now

01:15:37.720 there's there's actually a genetic in their own body romans 1 receive penalty in their own body

01:15:45.040 there's a physical consequence as well as all the spiritual and relational that's that will preach

01:15:52.740 now in america a lot of people don't want it to preach they don't want to hear that sermon

01:15:58.640 um because they think that sermon is racist or they think that um but these are biblical

01:16:04.280 principles and if we and if we just pretend that they're not and i'll be the first like once again

01:16:10.060 first to say this is not something that i've been aware of and and consistently teaching for 30 0.97

01:16:16.820 years no no i haven't been consistently teaching this for 30 years i've been consistently stupid

01:16:22.640 for 30 years like there's very few things well but this is also pretty like cutting edge like

01:16:28.240 as far as our understanding i don't know anyone else connecting the field of epigenetics which

01:16:32.280 is emerging to religious christian living yeah i don't know of anyone doing that yet except me

01:16:36.820 and you miss we a few a few months back i i said it publicly yeah um and i like heard you talking

01:16:44.140 about but then i made that connection of epigenetics i think it was like you're preaching

01:16:47.160 on faithfulness across generations i was like wait we know how that happens biologically well

01:16:51.000 we've been having the discussion behind the scenes a lot about like what is the nexus of like what

01:16:57.160 is the connection between like like jordan peterson was was talking about how psychologists

01:17:03.140 are trying to treat people who have depression strictly through diet right which has prompted

01:17:08.040 us to be talking behind the scenes like what is spiritual and what is physical right anxiety is a

01:17:13.260 sin and yet it could be cured with the physical means like it's very interesting like are you

01:17:20.220 sleeping are you exercising depression what's your diet so my point is like i'm all i'm trying

01:17:24.860 to say is that um i don't want to pick on anybody because if anything i should just pick on myself

01:17:29.800 these are um we are learning we're learning i'm learning michael is learning wes is teaching

01:17:38.420 teaching you know he's teaching but still like you said that like make connecting some of the

01:17:42.980 dots between what you learned at columbia and where was your grad school university of texas

01:17:47.740 university of texas and then you know from some of the my sermons on covenantal uh teaching and

01:17:53.960 taking the covenantal aspect and and then taking the biological aspect and seeing like how like

01:17:59.880 here's god's promise and then here's the agency and the ways that you know or at least one of the

01:18:04.520 agencies in the physical you know sense that you could objectively point to and say these people

01:18:08.920 did this right so now they look like feel like act like this right so my point is for all three

01:18:15.160 of us um we're perfectly willing to admit happy to admit that um it's new for us i say all that

01:18:22.360 that to build up to this, I, so it's not like I've been

01:18:27.360 saying this for 30 years, I, there are guys right now

01:18:30.320 who say there's only one race, the human race.

01:18:33.340 And I say that to say, I would have been one of those guys. 1.00

01:18:36.940 Well, in one sense, it's objectively true, right?

01:18:40.780 There's only one humanity, right?

01:18:42.840 It gets muddy because it's like, honestly,

01:18:45.280 it's kind of like talking, I'm not trying to, again,

01:18:47.680 I'm not trying to get a rise.

01:18:48.800 We're trying to be really careful in this episode, 1.00

01:18:50.680 but it's like talking about the Jews,

01:18:52.440 religion, ethnicity, nation.

01:18:54.360 You know what I mean?

01:18:55.760 We're talking about America.

01:18:57.680 There's so many of these topics that they're already touchy.

01:19:01.620 They're already controversial.

01:19:02.680 And what makes it even harder is like race,

01:19:05.380 but in what sense?

01:19:07.120 Jews as in the religion or the ethnicity?

01:19:09.300 I think we need a better word than race

01:19:11.520 because race has been through the 17 and 1800s,

01:19:15.960 especially the 1800s.

01:19:17.120 It was not what you're talking about now, Wes.

01:19:19.480 You know, it's not what Calvin was talking about

01:19:21.360 when he talked about the English race

01:19:23.060 and the Irish race and the Scottish race, right?

01:19:25.960 He saw three different roots of people.

01:19:28.680 He saw them as distinctly three races,

01:19:31.300 which now we would say rice is white.

01:19:33.780 Right, that's the problem is getting at the beginning

01:19:35.840 with the different tiers.

01:19:37.180 And so race for the listener, someone asked me like,

01:19:39.880 what do you mean by race?

01:19:40.980 Biology, biological differences.

01:19:43.960 Not just culture.

01:19:45.060 Not just culture, ethnicity, habit, location,

01:19:48.380 like all these different things.

01:19:49.580 Race is truly biology.

01:19:51.360 What was passed down, what is prevalent?

01:19:53.140 Hold up, so you're saying,

01:19:54.880 you weren't saying ethnicity is one of the components.

01:19:57.200 You were saying, you were giving two different categories.

01:19:59.260 So race is biology, and then you were saying,

01:20:02.160 ethnicity is distinction from race.

01:20:03.760 Is the layer on top of it that then,

01:20:06.100 how is that expressed?

01:20:07.420 How is that modified, that genetic milieu?

01:20:09.380 And then there's a lot of, so going back to what I was saying,

01:20:11.620 there's a lot of modern guys.

01:20:12.460 So Vodibachum is a great example.

01:20:15.260 I love Vodibachum.

01:20:17.020 So I have not a single negative thing to say.

01:20:19.620 But I think what he would say is he'd say there's only one race, but there are multiple ethnicities.

01:20:23.360 What you're saying is, no, there are multiple races and multiple ethnicities.

01:20:27.760 To Calvin's point, different branches, different groups.

01:20:31.620 But Vodibachum, by race there, he means species.

01:20:34.820 Yes.

01:20:35.920 Of which there is only one species, the human race.

01:20:38.340 And that's my point.

01:20:39.000 I think the term is difficult because it means so many things in so many contexts.

01:20:44.380 Because all of us are different races in a sense.

01:20:46.320 I don't think we need to invent a new term, but we just need to define our terms.

01:20:50.300 This is what we mean.

01:20:50.860 But the problem is the term has been defined in culture differently than what we're necessarily saying now.

01:20:55.860 And so it's like when you say, Wes, one of the first, you don't know this.

01:20:59.720 I've never told you.

01:21:00.680 It's one of the first conversations that you and I had.

01:21:02.560 You said, yeah, I'm leaning more old earth.

01:21:06.440 And I went away thinking like.

01:21:07.820 I didn't know that.

01:21:08.500 I don't like that at all.

01:21:09.540 And then I came back and I talked to you and you were like, yeah, I think it's more like maybe 8,000 and not 4,000 to 6,000.

01:21:15.340 i was speaking of an extended pre-noaa flood either way either way the point was like in

01:21:21.100 popularly defined old earth means billions and billions of years yes right so we have to

01:21:28.460 acknowledge that when we say race even if we define it that's not what everybody hears this

01:21:33.240 is my point yep exactly but um someone mentioned the jews and i'll add this in there as another

01:21:40.060 example uh there's a group of people called the ashkenazi jews that claim to be the origins of

01:21:44.920 the people that obviously got blessed there's some of the highest rates of schizophrenia because of a

01:21:49.160 genetic malfunction in a dst gene which leads towards schizophrenic symptoms which include

01:21:54.700 mental disorders difficulty understanding reality like it's kind of an ironic like a people claim

01:22:00.560 to be these who are objectively not that they have higher rates of mental illness like talking

01:22:06.780 about dna and everything's gonna get clipped by right wing watch but but objectively the clinical

01:22:11.960 literature shows there's a group of distinct people that have these higher rates and so it's

01:22:16.960 not just like like you guys found the two examples of diet in the side of the other no it's because

01:22:21.680 all different people we can give multiple examples exactly yeah that and i think that is a good

01:22:25.620 example because you're talking about a group of people who um now the argument that you made and

01:22:30.480 i understand that that is technically my position and for anybody who wants you know that has to be

01:22:34.500 fleshed out thoroughly and i could one i could be wrong two uh see my published work and when i say

01:22:40.820 published work, I don't mean peer-reviewed articles because I'm not that guy. But I do

01:22:45.940 have a nine-part podcast series with Andrew Isker on Israel and who are these people? How should we

01:22:52.580 think about them? What does the Bible say? And basically, our position is that Romans 11 was

01:22:58.120 ultimately fulfilled in AD 70, that it's not that God didn't keep his promises, but there was a great

01:23:02.540 spiritual revival. A bunch of people did come to faith in Jesus among that generation that Jesus

01:23:07.820 was actually speaking to in Matthew 24, 40 years later, many of them still living with the

01:23:12.740 destruction of the temple in Jerusalem and all these kinds of things from Titus coming in, who

01:23:16.720 later became emperor, that many people saw that. They saw Jesus coming on the clouds, clouds

01:23:21.320 signifying judgment like Joel 2, Isaiah. And so they saw that as judgment language, not heavenly

01:23:26.300 pretty clouds. And they realized, oh man, Jesus literally said not one stone in the temple would

01:23:30.660 stand on another. This is a fulfillment of the prophecies. We crucified the son of God. He was

01:23:35.720 right we were wrong and many actually did repent and so god's promise was not neglected it actually

01:23:40.060 was fulfilled um but it was fulfilled 1950 years ago and it's not a future promise today so no

01:23:45.700 future land promises and also not a future spiritual revival so then the question of course

01:23:49.740 becomes well then who are these people i don't think that we need to this is back to michael's

01:23:54.040 point like you can't just invent a new word when the whole culture already you know so i'm not

01:23:59.080 advocating for um that country over in the middle east we should call it something besides israel

01:24:03.120 right that's just not going to happen that's just that would like i would devote my life to a 0.83

01:24:07.040 an endless fruitless battle of trying to change the name like that's just it's just dumb so for 0.57

01:24:12.580 all intents and purposes they are the jews i would just like to maintain uh whenever i'm able to

01:24:17.080 clarify and define my terms um these are not the israelites of the bible of antiquity right um these

01:24:23.300 are a a new people called the jews and and not new in the sense that they just sprung up you know in

01:24:28.440 the last 50 years, like there's centuries. But here's the deal. All the way back to what you 0.76

01:24:33.260 said, Wes, if I'm right about that, and Richard Baxter even holds something. So if you're wondering

01:24:41.140 in anybody in antiquity, hold that position. It is not the lion's share. It's not the lion's share.

01:24:46.740 It's a minority position. And I'm willing to admit that. But guys today would be like Jim,

01:24:51.760 you know, James Jordan, Andrew Riskier, myself, and other guys on the new Christian right. But

01:24:57.800 then, you know, Richard Baxter would be one.

01:24:59.640 But with that, if we're right, then you're saying,

01:25:03.680 so a people who are trying to, trying to... 0.83

01:25:07.300 Especially like Ashkenazi Jews, 0.62

01:25:08.800 they just basically emerge about 600 or so AD 0.89

01:25:12.880 in Western Europe or so.

01:25:15.240 So then they'll kind of migrate North.

01:25:16.500 They were very isolated.

01:25:17.500 So they didn't intermingle with outside groups.

01:25:19.440 That's one of the things that could help mitigate

01:25:21.000 certain genetic diseases.

01:25:22.540 They're in group.

01:25:23.340 They emerge, nobody knows where,

01:25:24.860 about 600 years after the death of Christ,

01:25:27.160 after the end of the disbursement of the judean people they just emerge but this is a group then

01:25:32.660 claiming continuity which really would probably be those that have lived in the region since before

01:25:37.900 that time they claim that continuity but then on an objective level they have some of the highest

01:25:42.380 rates of schizophrenia right of any people my point is if you have a people that um are defined

01:25:46.860 by many things as many as all people's different peoples are defined by much more than just one

01:25:51.380 thing but there's at least two things not the only two things but at least two things one

01:25:54.740 claiming an identity that may not actually be theirs and number two the identity that they're

01:26:00.440 claiming they're also claiming um with their ideology and the religion of judaism um they're

01:26:05.920 claiming a a unique and um explicit hatred of the lord jesus christ right so if you so even if you

01:26:13.960 aren't don't have the lineage actually tracking back to abraham and first century you know jews 0.84

01:26:21.160 Even if that's not the case, if you're claiming to have that lineage and saying, you know, 0.86

01:26:25.860 and some of your religious literature literally talks about Jesus, you know, being in hell right

01:26:29.880 now, burning in human excrement, which is a teaching of the Talmud. So, if that's your,

01:26:35.620 if your people and your culture has been shaped by that religion and that ideology, we hate Jesus, 1.00

01:26:40.500 he's burning in hell in excrement, human excrement. And also, you may not, most Jews 1.00

01:26:48.120 wouldn't even be aware of this. 0.94

01:26:49.220 So it's not even conscience.

01:26:50.520 But your heritage is people who actually,

01:26:53.660 or at least possibly, according to our opinion,

01:26:55.620 which could be wrong,

01:26:56.200 but actually hijacked an identity

01:26:58.400 that wasn't actually theirs.

01:26:59.780 And then you find out statistically,

01:27:01.660 you also have a disproportionately high degree

01:27:06.060 of schizophrenia. 0.97

01:27:07.500 And for anyone who hates this,

01:27:09.500 this is just objectively in the literature.

01:27:12.060 Is your legitimate position, you shouldn't know that?

01:27:15.460 Some of these things come down to,

01:27:16.980 differences in IQ and this, that, or the other. It's not even like, yeah, this is true, but we

01:27:21.480 should do something different about it. It's, you shouldn't know that. I'm uncomfortable that you're

01:27:25.240 even aware of that fact. But like, this just, this is a well-known fact that has been clearly

01:27:29.820 replicated. It just is a reality of the world God made. I want to jump on there. One thing before we

01:27:34.340 go to our break. This really runs into a lot of problems in healthcare, because there are things

01:27:42.700 that certain peoples are genetically predisposed to. 0.99

01:27:48.080 And when healthcare systems treat blacks

01:27:51.960 as exactly the same as whites, 1.00

01:27:53.500 yeah, there's a lot of similarity. 1.00

01:27:55.780 But when they're unwilling to look

01:27:59.000 at some of the genetic predispositions

01:28:00.880 that generally categorize different blacks

01:28:05.000 or whites or Asians or whatever.

01:28:06.680 Or men and women.

01:28:07.500 Or men and women, 100%.

01:28:09.180 Like, it really runs into problems.

01:28:12.700 And we're talking tangible real-world problems

01:28:15.920 simply because people have to run around like this, you know?

01:28:20.920 That's a good point.

01:28:21.700 Yep.

01:28:23.020 Let's do this.

01:28:23.800 So we want to try to get to some of the questions.

01:28:26.260 Nathan, I just, in my peripheral,

01:28:28.580 I saw him, the cursor on the screen was just going wild.

01:28:32.060 The question about epigenetics.

01:28:33.460 Yeah, so we'll get into some of that,

01:28:35.200 but there's three things we need to do.

01:28:37.180 One, we need to go to our last commercial break.

01:28:39.040 Two, we need to make sure that Wes is able to leave it all in the field, so to speak.

01:28:45.080 And then three, get to some questions.

01:28:47.340 So let's go ahead and go to our last commercial break.

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01:30:14.940 some great super chats. The final thing I want to say, people hate when we talk about this topic.

01:30:19.580 They say it's eugenics. They say it's racism, like even just knowing and laying it out and

01:30:24.680 being clear, like, hey, here are the differences. But here's the deal. Like these predispositions,

01:30:29.320 diabetes, schizophrenia, like Parabond, all these different, and there's many, many, many, many,

01:30:33.760 many, many more. If you don't talk about them whatsoever, you remove from people the option,

01:30:39.960 the hope of saying, and it doesn't have to be this way. There are probably, we have a number

01:30:44.020 of viewers today, some of them certainly probably have type 2 diabetes, and some of them could even

01:30:47.640 be Native American. At the end of the day, you're going to have to eat healthy, you're going to have

01:30:52.960 to care about physical exercise now knowing this knowing the predisposition that you could have

01:30:57.960 because some won't even say it like well you know everyone kind of has that risk for this

01:31:01.700 we said hey this could be a risk factor these are the things you need to do and you are at

01:31:06.220 high risk and you are at higher risk reason this is more likely to happen to you cardiac all the

01:31:11.140 time right you go in the doctors like you're at risk for cardiac disease you need to it's just

01:31:16.880 whenever we want to group them into certain peoples who are more likely to have a predisposition

01:31:21.920 and then we start freaking out.

01:31:23.480 And here's the awesome thing,

01:31:24.400 the way God has made the world.

01:31:25.880 DNA methylation,

01:31:27.140 it is not something that happens one time

01:31:28.840 and it's over.

01:31:30.400 You get a certain set of genes

01:31:31.920 and some are turned off.

01:31:33.320 They can be turned on by lifestyle.

01:31:35.560 You have hours and hours to go through

01:31:36.920 the different diet and everything like that.

01:31:38.860 Read books, go educate yourself.

01:31:40.380 You're here watching,

01:31:41.400 you have the internet,

01:31:42.540 you need to care about your health.

01:31:43.880 But they can be turned back on

01:31:45.240 if they're good ones

01:31:46.100 that have been turned off

01:31:47.200 by how your previous generations lived.

01:31:49.000 And if they're bad ones,

01:31:50.000 they can be turned off by the way that you live.

01:31:52.860 And you might not do all of it, go ahead.

01:31:55.460 And I love that, and not just for you,

01:31:58.480 but it can make a difference for you,

01:32:00.520 a real difference for you.

01:32:02.080 It can make a compounding significantly greater difference

01:32:07.320 for your children, and then even greater,

01:32:10.160 if they continue it for your grandchildren-

01:32:11.640 Assuming you're pre-childary.

01:32:13.120 Greater.

01:32:14.280 Right, but my point is, that just, that rocked my world.

01:32:18.820 It's only been about a year when I thought, you know,

01:32:21.820 I started talking, you know, the last five years about,

01:32:24.180 you know, with post-millennialism,

01:32:25.660 the great, you know, post-millennial hope

01:32:27.700 and saying, you know, like we want to leave

01:32:29.840 first and foremost, a spiritual inheritance

01:32:31.420 to our children's children.

01:32:33.000 A good man, a wise man leaves an inheritance

01:32:34.720 to his children's children.

01:32:36.400 And about, you know, last five years, I was like,

01:32:38.540 yeah, and also poverty gospel, prosperity gospel's bad.

01:32:41.200 So is the poverty gospel.

01:32:42.160 We want to leave in addition, not as a substitute,

01:32:45.740 never a substitute,

01:32:46.580 but in addition to a spiritual inheritance nothing less than that but more than that we want to leave

01:32:52.000 a monetary financial inheritance and i started talking about that over the last five years

01:32:57.600 and over the last one year i started realizing you know combining some of these things

01:33:03.080 west that we've been talking about today with scripture i realized what if you can actually

01:33:08.680 leave a spiritual inheritance a financial inheritance wealth and even a physical

01:33:14.260 inheritance health right not that not that your offspring are going to live forever anything like

01:33:19.040 that and not that god owes it to you he's still sovereign he allows for suffering and sickness in

01:33:23.520 the world your great-grandchildren you could love the lord your children love the lord your

01:33:27.860 grandchildren love the lord and your great-grandchildren love the lord and one of them

01:33:31.060 um is diagnosed with leukemia at two years old yeah like we're not we're not this is not the

01:33:36.720 prosperity gospel we're not it's not we're not negating those things yeah it's not a guarantee

01:33:41.660 but we're talking about statistics of likelihood, of likelihood. God's always sovereign and there

01:33:46.840 will always be tragedies and exceptions, but we're talking about going with the overall general grain.

01:33:53.740 And when I realized, oh my goodness, this didn't, my point that I'm trying to make is this did not

01:33:58.760 take away from my faith in the word of God. It only strengthened my resolve. It made God's word

01:34:04.340 all the sweeter, all the truer, all the more authoritative to realize, whoa, what God has

01:34:10.120 promised in his word is actually applicable at every level, not just in a spiritual plane in the

01:34:17.560 17th dimension, but it's applicable spiritually and eternally. That's first, and that's ultimate,

01:34:24.380 but also financially and also even physically in terms of not just wealth, but also health.

01:34:30.940 That Winston Churchill could smoke cigars all day, drink like a fish, take random naps,

01:34:39.520 wake up play with action figures methamphetamines during the war methamphetamines during the war

01:34:44.600 not sleep at night um call the war delicious and tell everyone i you know written testimonies of 0.96

01:34:51.800 how much he loved it refuse all the chances of peace i mean be an absolute be an absolute maniac 0.98

01:34:58.520 churchill was a maniac and he could be a maniac and not not just being a warmonger which he was 0.91

01:35:03.780 but but in addition to that i'm saying physically in terms of his diet and his health habits 0.96

01:35:07.740 and die at 90 how because he was standing on the bones of the english stock the english stock

01:35:15.160 of a like close to a thousand years or at least you know eight nine hundred years of of practices

01:35:22.480 both in diet and exercise and monogamy and sanitation and all these things that were far

01:35:28.900 superior at that time compared to multiple other peoples and cultures around the world and so he

01:35:35.500 took an inheritance right so a wise man leaves an inheritance to his children's children i'm saying

01:35:39.480 that's spiritual first also financial also health and he um took that inheritance and chose not to

01:35:47.380 give it and shut all those genes down you know by he didn't have many children did he i don't know

01:35:52.660 but i'm just saying based off of this research theoretically he would have had all the wrong

01:35:57.720 habits and he would have he would have taken that inheritance and like the prodigal son

01:36:01.980 he would have lavishly spent a lot of it on, well, but I just, I want to

01:36:08.000 live life to the fullest and play with action figures and take naps and smoke cigars.

01:36:13.660 This brings something that I thought about earlier, and now it's back, so I'm going to say it.

01:36:19.900 Sometimes we look at the nine-year-old grandma. I have a, my wife has a great aunt who, she drinks

01:36:26.920 like three or four Dr. Peppers a day. 1.00

01:36:28.880 She eats French fries all the time. 0.99

01:36:31.360 She's not, she's in her 90s and she's still spry.

01:36:36.700 And so you get these examples

01:36:37.900 where the guy that smokes three packs a day lives to 85,

01:36:41.340 you know, doesn't die of lung cancer.

01:36:43.720 Here's the point of all of this.

01:36:46.680 We need, like the life of the Christian is lived by faith. 0.77

01:36:52.140 And part of this even is in spite of the fact

01:36:54.820 that before I knew about epigenetics,

01:36:56.440 I saw some people that bucked the trend you have two choices you can say well I'm going to choose

01:37:02.340 to live in an unhealthy way myself and God made it work out for them he's going to make it work

01:37:07.540 out for me or you say no no by faith God has said that the discipline the bodily exertion

01:37:13.920 and the being healthy and the honoring your parents and all of these things they go into a

01:37:19.260 healthy lifestyle are still important regardless of what I might see the 90 year old or the 85 year

01:37:25.480 grandma or grandpa doing we live by faith and so like like what part of what i'm trying to get at

01:37:32.480 is a lot of people are going to listen to what you said west and i you know i hear some of this stuff

01:37:36.400 a little bit because my wife's medical um but if you're just coming into this topic it's like oh

01:37:41.940 this is totally overwhelming part of it is like you can educate yourself this is an emerging field

01:37:48.080 i just bought a book on epigenetics that i'm working through um but also if you are simply

01:37:55.240 faithful to obey the commands of god of being healthy providing uh desiring to leave a long

01:38:02.560 life so that you can be a better steward so you can see your great-grandchildren and invest in

01:38:06.680 them like like part of this is people before they knew about epigenetics were doing this already

01:38:11.760 simply because christianity or even just natural law informed how they lived right right this is

01:38:19.400 not even though it's verging on rocket science at the technical level it's not rocket science

01:38:24.200 in the practical level well to explain how it happens is rocket science yes but to know that 0.87

01:38:28.440 simply what you should do is not rocket science unfortunately breastfeeding is like of course

01:38:34.360 we do live in a system that's working to to provide counter narratives to all of this

01:38:41.380 that's right that is a reality right people are even people who think they're healthy

01:38:45.460 can be living in very unhealthy ways now because our our nation is is nuts right now but

01:38:50.520 all right okay we've got a super chat i'm gonna hit this one personally this is from philip

01:38:55.600 nathaniel one of my best friends from back home actually really good guy uh he says this first

01:39:01.000 of all, $50. Thank you so much, Phil. I really appreciate that. He said, thank you for doing

01:39:05.820 the Lord's work. My wife and I, wonderful wife, they got married. I was in their wedding. They

01:39:10.140 were married young. They said, we're going to get married. We're going to start a family.

01:39:13.200 He said, my wife and I are the fourth generation in our families of divorce, abuse, and fatherlessness.

01:39:18.300 And I was on the front lines when we were both friends, younger on, to all that that went on.

01:39:23.360 We both committed to ending the generational sin with us. God has been good. Hey, Wes,

01:39:27.540 thank you for this live stream thank you brother and god bless yeah that's a good one a couple other

01:39:32.900 super chats we'll start with some of these are from earlier and they were just uh they weren't

01:39:36.020 necessarily questions so we didn't tackle them right away but granddad farms thank you very much

01:39:39.500 again for your generosity said uh ga from emmet idaho see uh see if you can get on right room

01:39:45.100 watch with this episode we did our best i think well we actually did our best to be careful yeah

01:39:51.500 right but the subject matter is just so controversial that this this one might like

01:39:56.420 we might have like three or four clips on right wing watch or from probably christians yes you

01:40:01.560 think that's the same thing these days right wing watch is more charitable right like seriously when

01:40:06.780 when right wing watch clips me out they actually leave at least some of the context the most

01:40:13.380 uncharitable sinister i mean just really like just you can just tell it's just mean spirited

01:40:18.400 like where it's like spliced up up up up up like and it's not even like just cut out of the overall

01:40:23.540 context but it's like three seconds then seven seconds then four seconds and like like just

01:40:27.880 just deceitful just absolutely deceitful right wing watch uh the pagan kamala voters who

01:40:34.160 aren't christians and hate christians they wouldn't do that they have more integrity the only people

01:40:39.240 who do that are um well like unsupervised uh women tweeting sure is the name like it's seriously

01:40:46.980 it's um it's it's women um who profess to be followers of both genders of both genders that's

01:40:53.280 right. Some of those women have beards, but for the most part, it really actually is women

01:40:59.220 in the literal sense who claim to be Christian and actually are far more deceptive than a group

01:41:09.160 like Right Wing Watch that's not Christian at all. The Westminster Catechism on the commandment

01:41:13.140 to not bear false witness against your neighbor is very strong in its prohibitions of all types

01:41:17.920 of defaming. So any type of, and maybe like, well, it's not slander. That's literally what

01:41:22.940 he said. Deception, falsehood, obfuscation, all of those things are strictly prohibited

01:41:28.440 by the law of God. Ben Hofstadler, thank you so much. $50. Get that support going. Men,

01:41:35.520 it's in all caps. Keep it up, guys. Changing the world with your submission to the spirit.

01:41:39.860 Men and women, that's it. Only way there is something produced through a union. Amen. 0.96

01:41:43.080 and one more micah timmons yep uh super chat 20 thank you micah he says thank you brothers for

01:41:50.400 your ministry uh greatly looking forward to the conference p.s if you find any help uh or if you

01:41:56.540 need is what i think he's saying any help with uh tech at the conference then let me know um

01:42:02.980 and i guess that's his x handle it's at the 1689 wizard at the 1689 wizard nathan our tech whiz

01:42:12.540 make a note of that. If you do need any volunteers or help, Micah Timmons at the 1689 Wizard.

01:42:21.720 Thanks, Micah. Let me hit the, this is a biochem question. I'll hit it quick and then I can hand

01:42:27.500 it to Neville. Dolly0987, I'm a biochem student, biochemistry, so this topic really interests me.

01:42:33.820 I don't disagree with anything said, but I'm curious if you are specifically referring

01:42:37.260 to epigenetics only, referencing epigenetics only, or epigenetics and natural selection.

01:42:42.540 it is epigenetics and natural selection natural selection happens much higher at kind of a

01:42:47.180 population level so like lactose for example people that could tolerate lactose were able to

01:42:52.860 have better nutrition and have more children and then their children were able to so it's

01:42:56.620 kind of natural selection high level think of epigenetics that's there are patterns for sure

01:43:02.460 but also that's much more like individual like me specifically passing on diabetes predisposition

01:43:07.740 this together so it is natural selection and epigenetics for the record natural selection

01:43:12.700 the christian is not opposed to it that's not evolutionary biology that's just simply stating

01:43:17.500 that the strong god has made the world such that the strong survive and do better yep

01:43:25.500 okay um any other good questions nathan here's one from yeah that's a really interesting question

01:43:31.580 neville says do you think the renewing of the mind but the gospel does normally fulfill

01:43:35.500 still fully does fully overcome a genetic intelligence deficiency built up for generations

01:43:41.420 of unbelief i'll answer this one because i'm for for the three of us on this particular topic and

01:43:48.220 let's be let's be real on most topics i'm uh the moderate centrist between the three of us

01:43:53.680 so this would be my position and all three of us have talked about it a little bit on the podcast

01:43:58.880 uh here and there and we've talked about it you know just as friends offline uh multiple times

01:44:03.100 with other men in our church, because it's fascinating. And it's a question that you're

01:44:06.840 going to have to answer. I understand that some of the other pastors and Christian YouTubers 0.99

01:44:11.260 and influencers are going to say, you're racist and you're Hitler. None of us are Hitler fans.

01:44:19.860 We just also don't think that we need to define everything in the world for all of time based off

01:44:26.080 of Hitler. We think that that's part of why we're, that's what the post-war consensus in a nutshell 0.83

01:44:30.420 is is everything i don't like is hitler like why can we not have nice things well because 80 years 0.62

01:44:35.120 ago there was a german dude who did x y and z um no you're allowed to have nations they're allowed 0.58

01:44:40.420 to be independent and sovereign you don't have to have gay globalism you can have hierarchy uh where

01:44:45.740 there's still equality under the law and everybody's still made in the image of god in the eternal sense

01:44:49.740 you have equal worth and dignity but you still recognize disparities and differences because god

01:44:54.060 didn't create a homogenous world but he created a world uh with beauty and part of that beauty is

01:44:59.200 with distinctions, and distinctions naturally create disparities, and disparities don't always

01:45:03.520 necessitate injustice, but it could just be rooted in God's created order and all these kind of

01:45:07.920 things. You could do all that, believe it or not, and not even know how to speak German. 0.89

01:45:14.420 I would be a point in case. So, all that being said, there's that, but a lot of guys are just,

01:45:21.780 they're not going to be able to go there. And these guys are going to become obsolete. They

01:45:26.660 are and and i don't it just i want to be really clear i don't want that i'm not celebrating that

01:45:31.340 at all i mourn that um there are there are guys who i i would like to have a strong christian

01:45:37.080 voice for for decades to come i really would but um but here's the deal um we you think oh we're

01:45:44.900 american free speech no we have not had freedom for decades especially when it comes to information

01:45:50.440 and speech and things being suppressed and all around the world right now whether it's jd vance's

01:45:55.320 speech in europe you know um and and uh in germany you see like they're like did you share a meme

01:46:01.380 you're going to jail you know like i mean like yeah it's real and um and you've got pastors like

01:46:07.740 ministers like and i'm not trying to open the can of worms and redo this but but you know i won't

01:46:13.660 say the name so for those of you who aren't privy to this story it doesn't at least doesn't involve

01:46:17.580 new you know new people coming into some gossip thing but but with some of the controversy that

01:46:22.540 I recently went through, there was a guy, you know, who, you know, he explicitly said, I don't

01:46:30.240 think that we should have free speech in certain regards. And I do think that the state should

01:46:36.620 crack down with legal penalties on somebody who questions the number of the Holocaust or something

01:46:43.780 like that. And this is a Christian pastor, a reformed pastor. And he's saying it as though

01:46:47.900 it's like like just the gospel truth like of course and how could you joel be so racist to

01:46:53.400 think otherwise you know and and i got in big trouble for i got in big trouble for um having

01:46:59.980 a differing opinion from the opinion that um you know the gospel of of six million and not one less

01:47:06.080 and and if it is one less uh you're going to jail uh like i got in big trouble for that and uh and

01:47:13.560 it wasn't even something that I was espoused, but defending a man in my church. And so my point is

01:47:18.620 faithful ministers, including that minister, I think is largely faithful. So I'm not trying to

01:47:22.720 disparage anybody. The point is that a lot of guys, good guys, good guys, they can't go here.

01:47:30.700 But the world is going here. The world is. And we don't want to go with the world to appease the

01:47:35.300 world. But we do want to explore and say, but is there anything that all truth is God's truth? Is

01:47:41.640 there anything that is actually god's truth here because if there is then we want to be able to say

01:47:46.760 no the bible actually addresses this there's actually a christian answer to this there's a

01:47:51.200 christian alternative uh with this um and and not just put our heads in the sand and pretend that

01:47:59.180 it's not there and hope it goes away and so all that being said my point is that um

01:48:03.120 and and looking into these things i'm what i'm trying to do is with everything i'm trying to

01:48:09.500 like the Bereans, test everything with the Word of God. Test everything with the Word of God.

01:48:14.120 And that being my final arbiter. So looking at natural revelation and realizing that,

01:48:19.160 okay, this is God's world. He made the world. And there are true things that we can observe.

01:48:23.080 And those things, if they're really true, they won't contradict the Word of God. So looking at

01:48:27.440 those things and the position that I've landed on for about a year now, where I'm at, and I could

01:48:34.140 be wrong. I could be wrong. Put that on my epitaph. Here lies Joel Webbing. He could be wrong.

01:48:40.780 But the position that I've landed at as of now is I think that the gospel really can change

01:48:49.200 everything, but slowly is basically how I would say it. So back to the question, Neville says,

01:48:56.460 do you think the renewing of the mind by the gospel does normally?

01:49:00.400 fully is the key word there right fully overcome a genetic intelligence deficiency built up

01:49:07.540 uh for generations of unbelief it's a great question and i like the way you were yeah neville's

01:49:13.500 thinking he so he he's everything i'm saying he he already gets it's clear that he gets it from

01:49:17.900 the question um what i would say is um i think significantly i would say significantly i'm

01:49:25.620 inclined to think fully but i definitely would feel comfortable saying significantly but here's

01:49:29.920 caveat i would add over generations so no i don't think that you can come from a um a people

01:49:37.280 who for a thousand years um were uh sexually uh not monogamous um using substance abuse and

01:49:48.060 worshiping demons, um, violent, violent, um, promiscuous, um, uh, no, no, uh, system of

01:49:59.300 sanitation. Um, your, your diet is, uh, instead of eating cows and cooking them, you eat, you use 0.94

01:50:07.160 cow dung, you know, in your diet. Uh, I don't think you can come from, um, that being your

01:50:13.500 ancestry, and then in five years, you know, or even 20 years, in one generation, in your personal

01:50:20.860 life, fully, try and answer the question, fully overcome all of the genetic deficiencies and how

01:50:29.680 that might affect things like intelligence or whatever, all in the course of one generation.

01:50:34.880 I do think that you can say, the curses stop with me. As for me and my house, we're going to serve

01:50:41.080 the lord and then you just try to be the faithful servant if you have five talents or two talents or

01:50:46.100 one if the master is only in his providence has only given you and your house one talent then

01:50:50.940 don't be like the wicked servant what made him wicked wasn't being given one talent what made

01:50:54.860 him wicked was that the one talent he had he didn't put in service of the master so take your

01:50:59.220 one talent take whatever you got right if you have a lower lifespan it's like i'm only going to have

01:51:04.380 70 years of life instead of 85 or 60 years of life or whatever, or I have an 85 IQ instead of

01:51:12.160 100 or 120. You take your intelligence, you take your life, you take your gifts, you take whatever

01:51:18.400 the master gave you because he gave you something. You have breath in your lungs. He gave you

01:51:22.860 something. The master has been generous to everyone. There's not one person on this planet

01:51:27.160 that Jesus hasn't been generous to. And he's been generous even to the poorest of the poor.

01:51:31.800 we all because the only thing we deserve is help anything more than that is generosity from the

01:51:36.820 master so so he has been generous with you you take whatever generosity he has given you and

01:51:42.960 you don't get bitter you don't get angry by comparing it to his other servants and saying

01:51:46.900 well he gave me less you take your lot the lines have fallen for me in pleasant places what makes

01:51:51.940 it pleasant is not um the objective place where the lines have fallen what makes it pleasant is

01:51:57.600 is trusting that the lines have sovereignly fallen and that the lord is the one who laid

01:52:01.340 them there, that it's his doing, and that it's marvelous in our sight, that he's good, that he's

01:52:05.760 just, that he's kind, and that he's working all things according to the counsel of his will for

01:52:10.240 the good of those who love him and are called according to his purposes. You believe that.

01:52:16.280 You take that to the bank and you say, the generational curses end with me. As for me and

01:52:21.000 my house, we will serve the Lord with whatever we have, however much, however little. And will it

01:52:26.800 fully? Can the curse fully be undone even at a genetic level? I'm talking about even IQs

01:52:34.160 increasing. Yes, I think so, but probably not in your lifetime. Probably not just with you.

01:52:39.660 If you're sitting on a thousand years of demon worshipers and pagan ancestry and no sanitation 1.00

01:52:45.860 and substance abuse and promiscuity and cannibalism and all these things, then it can 0.96

01:52:53.660 It happened for you and your posterity.

01:52:55.760 But it happened for you and your posterity the same way it happened with other cultures, like European cultures.

01:53:01.580 They had to turn and convert and follow Jesus and do so faithfully and patiently over generations and generations and generations.

01:53:10.520 That's my position.

01:53:14.000 And if that's racist, well, then number one, then racist just, then we just all need to admit that the word just doesn't mean anything.

01:53:23.660 um it's then if that's how you define racism then racism really isn't a sin number two um if that

01:53:31.880 really is um you're gonna say well okay well i'll use a different word but that's you know whatever

01:53:36.480 that's ethnic you know animus or what um guys you are um you it's it's like a computer program

01:53:47.820 deleting itself you you you have just rendered yourself completely and utterly obsolete um

01:53:58.100 that world i understand that like for especially for those who are older you grew up in that world

01:54:03.200 the world where um the world of usaid where everything where nature is artificially suppressed

01:54:12.820 or inflated by billions and billions of dollars and programs and systems and three-letter agencies

01:54:19.860 by the dozens who hide these sources and give you this made-up sources and manipulate and the

01:54:26.220 propaganda of having just a few news stations that they all work in concert with that guys i'm

01:54:31.940 the boomer world is over it's over um you you will not be able to survive with the uh with

01:54:43.100 the principles that you once had that used to be you know they used to be workable effective 0.97

01:54:49.260 principles they are not going to work in this new world and i'm telling you this new world it's scary

01:54:54.320 in a sense it's it can be intimidating it can be daunting who knows like jesus please you know

01:54:59.320 Jesus, take the wheel. Please lead it in a Christian direction, because you can veer to 0.99

01:55:03.400 the right and towards nature, and it doesn't necessitate that it's Christian. It can be a

01:55:08.460 pagan nationalism. It can be a pagan new right, whatever. It can be Islamic. The verdict's still

01:55:15.300 out whether or not it will be Christian. And a lot of that is up to ultimately the sovereignty

01:55:20.940 of God, but in terms of agency, to Christians. Are we going to accept the providence of God

01:55:27.640 and celebrate even what he's doing and say it's good that we can have free speech it's it's good

01:55:33.780 that lies and manipulation and propaganda are being exposed every day a new story of these

01:55:39.940 things being exposed it's good that the billions of dollars that are going to fund programs in 0.98

01:55:45.120 pakistan that lie about nature and try to brainwash people and indoctrinate people that they're being 0.99

01:55:51.080 canceled it's good it's good it's good but here's the deal here's kind of the the consequences of 0.98

01:55:56.920 that, well, on one hand, then crazy progressive leftists aren't going to be able to do very well

01:56:03.960 in this new world. But also, even your neocon, boomer, post-liberal...

01:56:11.680 Egalitarianism, everything's flat and the same.

01:56:14.440 Neochristianity also won't do very well. Because this next generation, they have the whole world's

01:56:21.900 information in their pocket generation z is going to look at you pastor and they're going to say 0.96

01:56:28.120 i like him he's a nice guy you know i i don't have anything against him but he's either lying 0.93

01:56:35.900 or or he's dumb and in either case neither of those look i can't i can't follow him

01:56:42.660 you know like i can you know 15 years from now i can come and visit him and bring him cookies in 0.97

01:56:48.520 the nursing home you know and like but i can't but he can't be my leader he can't lead me because 0.54

01:56:53.680 he's either ignorant or deceitful and so all these things are going to come out the fact that people

01:57:00.300 are different is going to come out it's already coming out so then the question is can the 0.96

01:57:06.300 christian run into that space without fear without guilt but with a bible in his hand with courage

01:57:13.680 in his heart and with the blood of Jesus atoning for his sin and all the sins of his past and any

01:57:20.180 generational sins of ancestors and say, I'm forgiven. I'm innocent in the sense of my

01:57:25.900 positional justification, my positional righteousness. I'm forgiven. I'm blameless.

01:57:30.900 I have the Bible as my ultimate arbiter, my guide, and I'm courageous because the righteous

01:57:37.220 are as strong as lions. And I'm going to run into this space with all this new information that's

01:57:42.780 been hidden by nefarious people for a very long time and i'm going to trust that the spirit of

01:57:49.440 god is within me he'll give me the words and that in his word in his written word there are

01:57:56.060 explanations that none of this undoes christianity it might undo uh 20th century christianity

01:58:02.340 judeo-christianity judeo-christianity is certainly going to be undone but um none of this undoes

01:58:08.520 Christianity. And in fact, as I look at the Bible, and in conjunction with the Bible, as I read the

01:58:13.740 Bible alongside theologians and pastors who are older than just the last, you know, 50, 60, 70, 0.70

01:58:20.960 80 years, when I look at the Bible, and I look at Calvin, and I look at Turretin, and I look at

01:58:25.260 this guy, and this guy, and this guy, oh, they had answers for all of this. This is just historic

01:58:32.640 christianity and none of these guys were racist bigots they were just i'll tell you they were

01:58:40.180 who cares your fathers your fathers were better than you they were better than you um our fathers

01:58:49.540 are like and we have been breaking the fifth commandment and dishonoring our fathers

01:58:55.960 for decades in the west calling them all a bunch of bigots calling them all a bunch of racists

01:59:02.620 uh saying well they're good on soteriology but even when we reprint their books we'll do secret

01:59:07.900 revisions and take some of their words out of it and not even tell people talking about reform

01:59:12.420 publishing companies now um and you know and and we'll read them on soteriology but we'll tell 0.98

01:59:18.860 everyone they're stupid when it comes to political philosophy and they didn't know they they were

01:59:23.720 better than you not just on soteriology it's not just oh we can learn from their soteriology because 1.00

01:59:28.340 they were better here no they were better than you on everything and everything turns out it's

01:59:35.600 taken me years to figure that out but basically it's taken me about 38 years old it's taken me

01:59:40.120 about four decades to realize um one consistent truth one common thread that runs through 0.96

01:59:46.080 everything um our generation sucks and um we are the lesser sons of uh former better sires

01:59:57.180 and the best that we can do in a large sense what we're talking about is like if you're this guy 0.98

02:00:01.720 then you know the the best that you can do is say well the buck stops with me and i'm going to turn

02:00:05.180 the tide well at a macro level at a corporate pastoral level um that's that's kind of that's

02:00:12.640 that's really the story for our entire generation, for all of us, even the best and the brightest of

02:00:18.060 us. We all, the mighty have fallen. The apple has fallen and rolled far from the tree. Every

02:00:25.180 single one of us, even the best and the brightest, we all pale in comparison to these titans that

02:00:31.620 came before us because we have been walking in rebellion against the Lord. And so we should run

02:00:40.440 to this new space, not be intimidated by new information that's actually just old, observable

02:00:46.980 information that's now no longer being suppressed and is now coming to the forefront. And then we

02:00:54.120 should run to it with courage, run to it with a forgiven, clear conscience, and run to it with

02:01:00.860 the Word of God, and run to it with older, better fathers. Fathers in the faith before World War II

02:01:09.480 um before liberalism um and step into that space take our one talent our generation with the one

02:01:18.900 talent that we have we're not a five talent generation take our one talent don't bury it

02:01:23.660 in the sand because we don't want to be icky in cold you know marxist terms instead take the one

02:01:31.220 talent even if all we have is one put it to work and trust that the lord will be faithful and bless

02:01:36.280 it, and that our great-grandchildren, they'll be a five-talent generation again, and that one day

02:01:42.460 we will have Calvins again and Luthers again. That's kind of taken me a long time to figure

02:01:49.700 that out, but macro picture, that's where I'm at. So to answer your question, Neville,

02:01:55.000 yeah, I would go so far as to say even fully, definitely significantly, and I'd like to think

02:02:00.520 fully. The curse of sin and dozens of sinful, rebellious generations can be undone even as

02:02:11.300 that curse affects biology and the body, but over time. That's the one qualifier I would add to it,

02:02:18.820 but that shouldn't discourage us, even if it's planting trees whose shade will never sit under.

02:02:26.860 I think somebody said something about that once upon a time. Sounds like a good thing.

02:02:30.520 so so let's do it let's do it okay next there's three questions maybe we can hit them quickly

02:02:36.880 can we trust the literature who is behind the literature that's a fair question scientific

02:02:41.560 studies there's lies there's uh what is lies damned lies and statistics it is it is with

02:02:47.780 scientific literature totally possible uh but when you get to dozens and dozens of studies

02:02:52.900 observing something that doesn't contradict with common sense and how god made the world

02:02:56.660 i'm much more willing to trust that than you know some magical study that says formula is better for

02:03:03.460 babies than breastfeeding right well you know let me let me see the author list what are your

02:03:08.020 thoughts on generational sin curses i don't think they're nobody is generationally cursed to be poor

02:03:14.460 right so you're you're mailing money to the televangelist break the generational curse of

02:03:18.240 poverty no but what some of what we're talking about could be considered right generational

02:03:23.040 it passes on for generations and it's a result of sin right now it's there's certainly no curse

02:03:27.600 that it will always be this way that a given people group will always have a predensity

02:03:30.900 predisposition to diabetes so curse eternally it's always going to be there no generational

02:03:36.880 sin that has an effect see the whole rest of the episode yeah that does exist yeah michael you got

02:03:41.920 it in right at the end so i don't know real quick so this is a super chat for michael um i'm going

02:03:45.800 to do this one so michael i really appreciate this and just we have been in so much hot water

02:03:51.540 that I just, I'm not going to read it exactly the way that you wrote it, but I'm going to

02:03:55.700 answer the question for you. It is a good question. It's a fair question. I don't think

02:04:00.260 there's, you know, I don't think you're wrong in asking it because it makes sense. But just so

02:04:06.100 that I'm not publicly on record saying exactly what you said here, I'm just going to answer

02:04:12.480 the question for you and you'll know what I mean. So Michael writes, how much of the blame for this

02:04:17.220 Judeo-Christianity and some of the more kind of post-war

02:04:22.940 consensus, neo-Christianity thoughts and sentiments.

02:04:27.180 How much of this should be blamed on the legacy of,

02:04:31.680 and then he puts a particular name here,

02:04:33.680 but some of the older, well-known ministers and ministries

02:04:40.040 that many of our listeners would know if I named them.

02:04:44.520 um i would i would just i would say for the guys who are currently living today

02:04:51.840 i want to give them a ton of blame i really want it um because i think it it kind of i think it

02:04:58.720 started in some sense before them um i i think that in many ways uh they had a choice they had

02:05:06.620 an opportunity to stem the tide and in many ways instead they doubled down and perpetuated

02:05:11.740 um, many of the lies and the problems that we're now facing. Um, but I don't, I don't think it's,

02:05:19.560 um, I'm hard on the boomers. You guys know that. Um, I tried to, there have been episodes where, 0.97

02:05:29.600 where I have actually gone to some pretty intentional great lengths to honor boomers,

02:05:33.680 believe it or not. It's just those parts don't get clipped up and go viral. Um, but I'll say this.

02:05:39.560 I think the boomers made some catastrophic mistakes that have just absolutely destroyed 0.99

02:05:49.140 the welfare and the likelihood of viability of future generations in the West, and especially 0.99

02:05:57.800 here in America. I just think that's undeniable. However, everybody's a product of place and time.

02:06:05.420 Nobody lives life or does theology or any of these things in a vacuum.

02:06:12.240 We're all product of place and time.

02:06:14.060 The boomers were not the first generation.

02:06:16.960 They're not Adam and Eve. 0.86

02:06:18.320 They didn't come out of the garden.

02:06:19.460 They weren't created in a state of innocence or a state of integrity and then willfully fall and everything starts with them. 0.88

02:06:27.000 The boomers, there's generations before them.

02:06:30.060 And so, I mean, even like the greatest generation, I don't want to pick on them either, but a bunch of people went to fight wars and then came back and pretty much decided that they had seen so many atrocities in these wars.

02:06:50.680 They pretty much decided that the world was fundamentally broken and could never really be fixed.

02:06:57.740 And like a lot of your dispensationalism, like Schofield predates, you know, World War I, World War II.

02:07:03.260 And I understand that 150 years with dispensationalism and 80 years, you know, if you're thinking of like World War II.

02:07:08.740 But World War II and the aftermath and the disposition, the psychological frame that these men came back with their wives who were trying desperately to hold down the fort and, you know, while they were gone.

02:07:22.040 and when they came back um they they just the ones who did come back the ones who did come back

02:07:30.320 right and then think about all the children who grew up without father fathers like they they

02:07:34.800 just they they they're like yeah that like i post-millennialism was pretty hard to believe

02:07:41.500 in 1945 yeah you know that the world's getting better and the christ is raining now yeah yeah

02:07:47.780 like when when that's like that's your life and so a lot of people just came back defeated like

02:07:54.780 world war ii is like well thank god germany lost everybody lost that war in my opinion

02:08:00.420 everybody lost that war um and i'm not saying that we should have teamed up with the germans 0.80

02:08:07.060 and fought against the bolshevik the bolsheviks were terrible i think stalin was worse than 0.95

02:08:11.000 hitler that's my opinion you guys have heard me say it but they were i think they were both bad 0.91

02:08:14.940 guys. And personally, I think America should have stayed out of it. That's my political historic

02:08:21.180 opinion. But the point is everybody got involved. It was in some sense similar to like Putin and

02:08:28.600 Zelensky, you know, it's like with, you know, like Poland and what's going on here and Hitler

02:08:33.140 wanting to invade. And it should not in the same way that I've been like, this thing needs to end

02:08:39.180 with Ukraine and Russia. And this is not the world's problem. It's their problem.

02:08:44.940 um that's kind of how i feel about about world war ii but but that one churchill made it the

02:08:52.260 world's problem he did he forced that he's like everyone is going to deal with this because this

02:08:58.640 right it's the great britain you know the the empire for which the the sun never sets well

02:09:04.960 the sun kind of was setting on great britain and uh and they didn't really like it and um

02:09:11.140 And they needed to, they weren't just caring about virtue and, oh, the principles.

02:09:16.300 There was some of that.

02:09:17.200 But there was also a sense of, no, Germany, like, we're the superpower of Europe.

02:09:21.940 We're Great Britain.

02:09:23.320 Germany can't supersede us.

02:09:25.020 And so this thing became a global affair. 0.59

02:09:26.740 And here's the deal.

02:09:27.380 Everybody lost.

02:09:28.520 Every country lost.

02:09:30.340 Our country lost.

02:09:31.000 We lost probably the least, right?

02:09:33.380 Because just geographically, we were removed.

02:09:35.460 And so we had less to rebuild.

02:09:36.440 part of the reason why america became quickly a superpower just economically was all of europe was

02:09:41.800 was on fire all of europe was in shambles and we were we were hurting too but we had less to rebuild

02:09:49.480 than all these other european countries so anyways my point is um even the greatest generation which

02:09:55.040 again i don't want to disparage those guys at all but even like the greatest generation in some

02:10:00.040 sense. You can make an argument that the greatest generation is also the founding generation of

02:10:06.960 pessimism, eschological pessimism, that the world will only get worse and worse and worse. 0.59

02:10:12.480 And then they give to the boomers their eschatology, but then coupled with a ton of just 0.85

02:10:19.520 tangible, you know, temporal luxuries. And so the world's only going to get worse and worse and 0.95

02:10:24.520 worse, and there's not much that you can do about it. And the only thing that you can do,

02:10:27.720 You can't really fix things at a cultural level, civilizational level, but you just

02:10:32.100 do evangelism.

02:10:33.020 So then the boomers made a ton of money with all these tech, you know, booms and innovation

02:10:38.640 and, but then didn't put it into cathedrals and long works. 0.59

02:10:44.120 They thought Jesus was going to come back next week.

02:10:45.920 And so they put it into the only thing that seemed to them to matter with that kind of

02:10:49.780 eschatology, if Jesus is coming back relatively soon, evangelism and global missions.

02:10:54.700 and then their own kids all went to public school and then grew up and became new atheists and

02:11:03.860 yeah it's just it's all a wreck it's all a wreck so my point is just to say to answer the question

02:11:10.280 i know it's long long-winded but michael um it's a thoughtful question don't blame me for asking it

02:11:16.580 it's a good question um but i guess what i would say in terms of the the person that you named

02:11:21.920 specifically and his ministry. And then others like him because he is kind of a stand-in. He's

02:11:27.880 a good guy to name. He's representative of a lot of other ministries of that generation,

02:11:32.380 of the boomer generation, Christian ministries. Yeah, I think nobody's absolved, right? See what

02:11:39.780 I said earlier. So I'm not absolved. Okay, well, boomers are also therefore morally culpable and

02:11:44.840 responsible. But nobody, no individual and no generation of individuals just sprouted out of 0.94

02:11:52.140 the ether or was forged in a vacuum. Everyone's product and place were all in a stream. And this

02:11:58.840 generational stream, that's the whole point of today's episode, I think. I think this comes full

02:12:02.700 circle. But the whole point is there was a stream that was already moving. And it was a positive

02:12:07.440 a stream of Christendom, and it got off the rails, but it didn't just get off the rails

02:12:13.740 in 1970s and 80s with the boomers or the 60s, you know, as their young 20s, you know, in the

02:12:20.340 sexual revolution. It got more off the rails, and I would argue significantly so, but it was already

02:12:26.000 off the rails, and you could argue with the greatest generation and their pessimism and

02:12:29.460 feeling defeated and all these kinds of things, like the world was broke and it can never really

02:12:32.800 be fixed. And then you can argue all the way back to the enlightenment. There was a positive stream,

02:12:38.320 there was a negative stream. That negative stream, the fount head of that negative stream is not the

02:12:42.640 boomers. That wouldn't be fair. The boomers might be where that fount in the stream all of a sudden 1.00

02:12:47.980 goes into a surging waterfall and picks up speed. Multiple streams joined together and made a big

02:12:53.980 river. Yeah. The boomers might be representative of that, the currents of the stream picking up

02:13:00.920 force significantly, but it's not the head of the stream. That would not be fair.

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