The NXR Podcast - The Next Crusade - ＂Call No Man Father＂？ Fr Calvin Robinson responds

00:00:00.000 Hello and welcome to The Next Crusade with me, Father Calvin Robinson, only on NXR Studios, 1.00

00:00:26.660 the new Christian right. This is of course the show where we look at current events from a 1.00

00:00:31.600 Christian perspective and address the topics the rest of the mainstream media does not want to 0.71

00:00:35.820 touch with a 10-foot barge pole. Coming up on today's show we have Brian Kemper talking us

00:00:41.800 through the anti-abortionist pro-life movement in America and where we currently stand. And

00:00:46.920 Jeremy Ryan Slate will address the fall of Rome and the fact that history never repeats but it

00:00:52.900 does rhyme, and which similarities are we seeing, which parallels are we seeing between the fall of

00:00:57.360 ancient Rome and the fall of the West, aka modern Christendom. More on that soon, but here let's

00:01:04.820 begin with a bit of a monologue. In my tradition it's common practice to call ordained ministers

00:01:10.100 fathers, not as a prideful boast but as a sign of recognition of their position as servant leaders

00:01:16.860 in the community. The father is the provider and protector, the leader of the flock who feeds his

00:01:23.140 family, tends to their needs and shepherds his flock. In Roman Catholicism it is usual for a

00:01:29.540 priest to be called father. In Anglo-Catholic circles in England it has become the norm to do

00:01:34.860 so for deacons and priests. Outside of these circles the practice can seem very strange.

00:01:40.740 our more evangelical brethren often balk at the phrase some even recoil i receive lots of emails

00:01:49.060 some more polite than others exclaiming concern for my continuation of this tradition

00:01:54.180 so i wanted to take a moment to explore the biblical context and reflect on the church's

00:01:59.700 teaching in this area matthew 23 begins with then said jesus to the crowds and to his disciples

00:02:07.940 The scribes and the Pharisees sit on Moses' seat.

00:02:12.560 So practice and observe whatever they tell you, but not what they do.

00:02:17.360 For they preach, but do not practice.

00:02:20.100 They bind heavy burdens hard to bear, and lay them on men's shoulders.

00:02:24.460 But they themselves will not move them with their finger.

00:02:27.660 They do all their deeds to be seen by men.

00:02:30.880 For they make their teflin broad, and their fringes long.

00:02:34.020 and they love the place of honour at feasts and the best seats in the synagogues and salutations

00:02:40.280 in the marketplaces and being called rabbi by men but you are not to be called rabbi for you

00:02:47.360 have but one teacher and you are all brethren and call no man your father on earth for you have one

00:02:55.520 father who is in heaven neither be called masters for you have one master the christ he who is

00:03:03.260 greatest among you shall be your servant. Whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles

00:03:10.260 himself will be exalted. The immediate message is clear. It's a topic Christ often preached on,

00:03:16.480 especially in regards to the scribes and the Pharisees. Do not be hypocrites. In fact, the 0.92

00:03:22.460 rest of this chapter begins with a number of exhortations which start with, but woe to you, 0.99

00:03:27.440 scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites. In this chapter, Jesus gave us a few lessons. Not to be hypocrites, 0.90

00:03:35.920 not to be proud, not to seek authority, and not to inaccurately assign titles to people who do

00:03:42.500 not fulfill those roles. The lesson is hyperbolic though. It's one of Jesus's allegorical styles

00:03:48.960 when he really wants to drive a message home, much like when he advises us to pluck out our eye

00:03:54.440 if it causes us to sin a few chapters prior in this same gospel of Matthew.

00:03:59.460 A few lines further down this chapter, Jesus says,

00:04:02.520 You blind guides straining out a gnat and swallowing a camel.

00:04:08.700 Now, we know the people he was speaking to were not blind,

00:04:12.660 nor were they straining out a gnat or swallowing camels.

00:04:16.400 The idea would be preposterous.

00:04:18.760 Our Lord is exaggerating to make a point.

00:04:21.420 How do we know it's not to be taken literally?

00:04:25.140 Well, because the inerrant word of God cannot contradict itself.

00:04:29.180 In the New Testament, Stephen and Paul refer to the prophets as fathers.

00:04:34.000 Romans 9.10

00:04:35.140 Which is in line with the Old Testament teaching.

00:04:38.400 2 Kings 2.12 and Job 29.16 and Isaiah 22.20 and Genesis 45.8

00:04:45.200 There is a pattern of the patriarchs being referred to as fathers.

00:04:49.200 In the 1st and 2nd epistles to Timothy, Paul speaks of himself as a teacher

00:05:01.780 Likewise, in the 1st epistle to the Corinthians and Ephesians,

00:05:10.560 Paul reminds us that the church recognises the role of the teacher

00:05:15.280 1 Corinthians 12.28 and Ephesians 4.11. We are not forbidden from calling fathers fathers,

00:05:24.400 only from attributing the title to people who are not acting in the role of a father.

00:05:29.560 We are not to assume authority and prestige, but to serve. Interestingly, people who cherry-pick

00:05:36.760 Matthew 23 as an attack line on Catholic priests and Anglo-Catholic deacons and priests only take

00:05:42.700 this passage literally in terms of fathers within the church what about everyone else to whom we

00:05:47.920 attribute the title father what do you call your parent who isn't your mother if not your father

00:05:53.120 what do you call the man who leaves your children presents at christmas if not father christmas

00:05:59.200 what do you call the early christian leaders if not the church fathers what do you call the

00:06:05.260 founders of america if not the founding fathers the very same verse also says to call no one teacher

00:06:12.400 What do you call the people who teach your children?

00:06:15.200 Likewise, it says, call no one master.

00:06:17.920 In Western society, we call men mister and women miss or missus,

00:06:22.060 a direct translation from the Latin for master.

00:06:25.240 It says not to call anyone rabbi.

00:06:27.920 We often call people doctor or teacher from the word rabbi.

00:06:31.960 Why are these not forbidden to the same degree as father? 0.68

00:06:35.780 Well, they are if you take Matthew 23 literally.

00:06:39.500 Think about that the next time you visit a GP.

00:06:41.720 a general practitioner, or attend a parent's evening at school.

00:06:46.200 Not only is this puritanical Protestant understanding of this verse inherently flawed,

00:06:51.200 but it is also entirely inconsistent.

00:06:55.020 Christ appointed teachers of the faith.

00:06:58.140 Peter and Paul often refer to themselves as teachers and fathers.

00:07:02.500 1 Corinthians 4.15 and Philippians 2.22

00:07:06.060 We have biological fathers and we have spiritual fathers.

00:07:10.700 we have academic teachers and we have faith teachers we have medical doctors academic

00:07:16.860 doctors and doctors of the church indeed christ instructs us to honor our father in matthew 15 4

00:07:24.760 to leave our father and get married in matthew 19 5 and to submit to the will of our heavenly father

00:07:31.820 in matthew 21 31 this is language he is comfortable with the book of common prayer one of the key

00:07:40.200 formularies of the Anglican tradition refers to the bishop as reverend father in God, in the form

00:07:47.240 and manner of making deacons and ordering of priests, the ordinal used for ordaining men to

00:07:52.940 the diaconate and to the presbyterate. We are a patriarchal faith. God the Father is the ultimate

00:08:00.040 patriarch. By following Christ's example, we are to imitate his style of servant leadership in our

00:08:06.880 fatherly teaching and doctoral roles we are not to be hypocrites but to lead by example

00:08:14.260 we're not forbidden from becoming teachers doctors or fathers in genesis 17 god himself

00:08:21.600 tells abraham he will become the father of a multitude of nations grace to you and peace

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00:09:58.960 thank you so much for joining us. Absolutely. What an honor. Thank you.

00:10:03.500 Not at all. Brian, you are an avid pro-life campaigner, although you call yourself an

00:10:08.400 anti-abortion activist, which I find fascinating. Are we winning this fight?

00:10:14.300 You know, that's a very loaded question. And some people would say yes, and some people would say

00:10:19.020 no. I'm on the side that right now, we are not quite winning. We are not doing what a lot of

00:10:27.400 people think we're doing. And I'll get into that. I don't want to disparage people or anything. But

00:10:32.740 there's a lot of things going on. The fact that abortion numbers have risen since Roe versus Wade

00:10:38.220 has overturned is very alarming. The fact that a lot of people think that we see all these abortion

00:10:46.120 mills. You'll notice I don't say clinic because clinics heal. Abortion mills closing, it's because

00:10:53.360 over 70% of abortions are going to medical abortions through the abortion pill. It's not

00:10:59.320 just that we're closing these places. It's that most of them know that with protesters,

00:11:05.300 with everything going on, they can do much more damage through the abortion pill. And that's what

00:11:10.220 they're doing. They're doing damage. They're murdering through this drug. So in that aspect,

00:11:14.600 no, we're not winning. But what I am seeing right now is a beautiful renewal of young people to go

00:11:21.760 back to church, to go back to God. And it doesn't, including across the board between Protestant and

00:11:28.900 catholic you are seeing these revivals of young people i live in the state of ohio here in the

00:11:33.900 states and the ohio state sports uh revival that's going on is incredible reaching out into other

00:11:41.420 areas of ohio so in that aspect i'm seeing young people come back but no we're not completely

00:11:47.500 winning and the battle honestly i call everything before roe versus wade was sort of the pre-game

00:11:54.280 It was sort of the warm up. Once we overturn Roe, this is where the rubber hits the road and the battle really begins. And that's where I think we're at right now.

00:12:04.740 That's an interesting perspective. So obviously with Dodds, everything's gone down to the state level now. So it's no longer a federal fight. It's now a state fight. What's the situation like in Ohio?

00:12:14.080 it was pretty bleak we um we had a referendum and um unfortunately it didn't pass here in

00:12:24.180 or it passed to to legalize abortion through all nine months here in ohio and the sad part is this

00:12:30.180 is something that's gonna this will make you you you cringe you know i'd say it makes the hair on

00:12:35.620 your head stand up but yours already is so 50 percent of the people that 50 percent of catholics

00:12:42.640 voted to enshrine abortion 25 of protestants voted to enshrine abortion this is the truth

00:12:51.240 father abortion remains legal on this planet by permission of christians who keep their mouth shut

00:12:58.660 and do nothing yeah i keep saying that if every christian in this country voted we would always

00:13:04.120 have christian representatives there wouldn't even be a conversation it shouldn't be in a

00:13:08.100 Christian country there shouldn't be a conversation about killing unborn babies murdering the most

00:13:12.740 vulnerable people in society it's very sad but you're right it's off it's part of our problem 0.79

00:13:17.240 it's partly our fault and you say there's a growing revival hopefully that means we'll

00:13:22.180 start to shift that conversation back towards Christian teaching away from the worldly idea of

00:13:27.400 reproductive health care and women's rights to choose to choose to kill their baby we had a

00:13:33.740 similar thing in michigan in that uh the default law that it should have reverted back to would

00:13:38.060 have been to outlaw abortion but the liberals in power pushed one of the most liberal abortion

00:13:43.380 laws in the country and unfortunately now michigan has that so we're fighting in michigan we're

00:13:47.500 fighting in ohio on the ground what do you what are you seeing outside as you petition as you

00:13:52.660 protest outside abortion centers or mills what are you seeing well that's that's something that's i

00:13:58.460 think there's some incredible growth going on as you mentioned michigan there's a i think and and

00:14:03.500 I'll just say I think the foremost, most effective groups out there in the states right now are the groups that are on the streets, that are in front of the abortion mills, that are reaching out to people, going to the campuses, doing that.

00:14:15.520 And you're seeing a resurgent through groups like Protect Life Michigan, which is an incredible group that's doing work out there, Created Equal here in Ohio, Survivors of the Abortion Holocaust, and now Rock for Life, the organization that I just revived.

00:14:30.840 I left my corporate pro-life job to go back to the streets because I believe that we must turn hearts to Christ and be out there on the front lines.

00:14:43.140 I was tired of sitting in an office most of the time, and I realized I needed to be out in the streets.

00:14:49.520 And I'm seeing young people.

00:14:50.840 what right now we have with the survivors of the abortion holocaust which rock for life is under

00:14:55.640 we have about 15 full-time young pro-life missionaries that have raised their own support

00:15:01.000 so they can go out and be on the streets be on the campuses they're up in michigan several of

00:15:06.080 them they're up training right now the rest are back out in california at college campuses high

00:15:11.240 school campuses also in dc and south carolina there is a growing resurgence of young activists

00:15:18.720 that are out there on the streets and actually, excuse me,

00:15:22.160 my computer I just realized is going low so I can plug it in here.

00:15:25.420 I apologize.

00:15:26.260 Oh, please do.

00:15:28.400 You're so spot on because, as you see in many places,

00:15:31.620 including my home country in Great Britain,

00:15:33.900 they're outlawing the idea of having a conversation on the street

00:15:37.240 because they know how powerful that is to give women an actual choice

00:15:40.440 to let them know that you don't have to go into that building

00:15:42.960 and murder your unborn child.

00:15:44.580 There are other options available. 1.00

00:15:46.260 And many women don't know this because the infrastructure around them, the health care, supposedly health care industry is pushing them towards abortion, unfortunately.

00:15:57.200 And so my country has banned having conversations with these women.

00:16:00.860 It's banned giving them literature and it's banned praying for them or with them in the streets. 0.87

00:16:05.860 And so the enemy knows how powerful that is.

00:16:08.960 Absolutely. The last time I came to do a speaking tour of England about 10 years ago, there was an article in one of your big newspapers calling to ban me from coming to the country because I was speaking out against abortion.

00:16:23.760 and this was a major newspaper with real traction um i got held up at the border for an hour or so

00:16:30.040 but it wasn't mad but yes um we just had a young woman who's on our team the survivors team

00:16:35.420 um who is going to trial it landed in a mistrial but they're retrying her for a 13 second instagram

00:16:43.660 post for a 13 second instagram post they're saying that that's harassment and they're trying to

00:16:51.000 charge her under the california face act and put her in prison for a 13 second instagram post

00:16:58.460 where she was pretending to shake a hand it was literally that and it's absolute insanity but it's

00:17:04.960 how are they saying that breaches the face act because uh it intimidated someone seeing it

00:17:11.220 online it's in san francisco yeah it's in san francisco the place i was born so someone was

00:17:17.760 offended by it and by being offended by it they class that as harassment and therefore she came

00:17:22.320 to the abortion mill and arrested her later on yes and she's faced her name is anastasia rogers

00:17:27.800 and uh i'll send you some information on her because she's an incredible young woman who's

00:17:32.720 dedicated her life to be a pro-life missionary also yeah thank you for that i wasn't aware of

00:17:38.100 that case we need to help promote these cases absolutely um there are a few people in my

00:17:43.120 country who've been arrested for yes holding up signs saying here to pray if you need it or here

00:17:48.560 to speak if you need it wasn't there a woman who was just said silently praying literally silently

00:17:54.520 praying and they said that silent prayer was a fence and that's what's coming here if you guys

00:17:59.320 don't push back against it against these abuses of power and it is the enemy taking hold of

00:18:06.420 institutions and trying to push for his sacrament of abortion the demonic sacrament of abortion

00:18:11.160 um do you go out with your church at all is your church involved in in rock for life

00:18:16.780 you know there we we um we just got rock for life started again so we're getting involved

00:18:21.740 uh i meet with several pastors and priests uh that uh in our area um there's a new local priest

00:18:28.740 that comes to the coffee shop i'm a big coffee nerd and uh we've been talking about getting

00:18:32.940 involved and uh there's many members of the different churches and here in dayton at the

00:18:37.820 abortion mill here. So yes, they do get involved. Um, the big thing that we're doing right now

00:18:43.620 is going back to these, uh, Christian music festivals. Uh, they're growing big time here.

00:18:49.740 I'll be doing one in, uh, Indiana next weekend. Uh, they're having me speak. And what's really

00:18:56.140 cool is there was a time when, and to an extent still where Christians were too afraid to,

00:19:03.080 be vocally pro-life. Pastors were too afraid to offend people from the pulpit. They didn't want

00:19:10.500 to affect the money coming in at the offering. But that's changing. I see that changing. I see

00:19:16.940 more and more. And it may be the minority right now, but that's all it takes. That's all God 0.96

00:19:23.200 needs is that minority, that remnant to stand up and be true to his word. The only controversy 0.74

00:19:30.060 about preaching abortion in church

00:19:33.780 is the fact that abortion happens at all.

00:19:36.180 That's the real controversy.

00:19:38.000 For any minister of the gospel to say,

00:19:42.300 well, I need to be careful about the pro-life.

00:19:46.360 I can't be seen praying or protesting.

00:19:48.660 I can't be...

00:19:49.660 In my opinion, you've violated the vows you've taken

00:19:54.640 to be a minister of the gospel.

00:19:56.620 Seriously, and those ministers will be judged

00:19:58.440 more harshly than everyone else.

00:20:00.060 um tell us about rock for life what is it how did you get it started again

00:20:03.340 well rock for life uh started back uh when i was a young person i i grew up in a not so

00:20:09.840 great childhood i was passed around from parent to parent i i was actually rode the little yellow

00:20:15.720 bus to school picked on i i grew went through a lot and ended up on drugs and um in 1987 i went

00:20:23.820 to see a christian punk rock band the band called the crucified and they sang a song called the

00:20:30.040 Silent Scream. And this was about an abortionist who filmed his abortion and then realized what he

00:20:36.440 was filming when he saw the baby fight against the instruments, Dr. Bernard Nathanson. And he

00:20:42.220 created this film, The Silent Scream. And when I heard that punk rock song in 1987, God pricked my

00:20:48.320 heart about the unborn. And I started getting involved in Christian music and started getting

00:20:53.180 bands together. And we started doing rock for life. Now, unfortunately, I left rock for life

00:20:58.220 about 20 years ago, but I really felt the call from God to come back to it, and that's what I

00:21:04.000 did starting in March. Father, this is one of the most beautiful things. I'll probably cry just

00:21:09.840 talking about it because I called someone who was back with the original Rock for Life, a Catholic

00:21:16.220 high school teacher in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, and I called him up and said, hey, I brought Rock

00:21:21.700 for Life back, and I know you used to bring me to the high school to speak to the students,

00:21:25.620 And he was so excited to tell me something that he'd never told me.

00:21:30.460 He said, Brian, we're going to have you back because what you don't know is this year there's a young man graduating from high school because his mother came to your talk, pregnant, scheduled for an abortion.

00:21:44.620 And she kept her baby.

00:21:46.420 And there was another one.

00:21:47.480 So two human beings are alive just from speaking at that Catholic high school because that one teacher had the courage to go up against the faculty, go up against everyone to say we're bringing a pro-life speaker to our campus.

00:22:02.160 And that's what Rock for Life is.

00:22:03.700 It's about reaching this generation.

00:22:05.560 we want to educate activate and equip this generation to be a voice for life to be an

00:22:13.700 abolitionist against this crime of abortion and to actually bring an end to the killing of children

00:22:19.920 in the womb preach brother that's all it takes one person you don't need a massive platform you

00:22:26.140 don't need to speak to hundreds of people you just need to save one life and that can just be

00:22:30.240 by speaking to one woman or letting her know letting one woman know that there is an alternative

00:22:34.800 to death and that is life the sanctity of every single human life is vitally important and we

00:22:40.480 as christians are here to defend it and protect it absolutely and when look at gideon's army

00:22:45.860 look in the in the bible it just took that small amount that 300 that's all it took

00:22:51.100 and and i think that that's one of the reasons i left the big corporate pro-life world is i wanted

00:22:57.560 to be back out on the street in the army i wanted to be out there getting my hands dirty getting my

00:23:02.500 my feet sore, walking, doing the things that need to be done, but we need to turn hearts back to

00:23:09.460 Christ. We can change every law that we want. If we haven't turned hearts back to Christ,

00:23:16.920 then we're not doing anything. And the gospel must be the center of the pro-life message,

00:23:24.840 Father. Without the gospel, nothing in this life. I know as a former drug dealer, as a former addict,

00:23:30.760 as a former Satanist, nothing ever fixed my life until I found the love of Christ.

00:23:37.940 Nothing.

00:23:38.980 And that's why I believe that the gospel of Christ is the key to winning this battle

00:23:44.760 and ending abortion in America and then throughout the world. 0.50

00:23:49.600 I meant to that.

00:23:50.980 Now, if there are young people watching and they're thinking,

00:23:53.540 okay, this sounds good, I want to get involved, I want to make a difference,

00:23:56.480 how can I help?

00:23:57.580 What would be your advice to them?

00:23:59.580 Well, first of all, I appreciate that any young person that would like to get involved,

00:24:05.100 I'd love to send you some free literature.

00:24:06.820 I'd love to get you connected.

00:24:09.560 We have a website, rockforlife.org.

00:24:12.720 It's just being rebuilt.

00:24:14.400 So all the info is not on there, but our new store is up there, ways for people to donate.

00:24:19.320 But all you have to do is email me or contact me, and I can get you guys involved.

00:24:23.140 I can connect you with good pro-life Christians near you, people that are involved out there.

00:24:28.740 So check, follow me on social media. It's Brian Kemper, Brian with a Y at almost any social media platform, whether it's TikTok, Instagram, you know, X, all of that. But there's tons of ways to get involved through the different organizations out there. I'd love to connect you. It's not about my organizations. I don't care if it's through Rock for Life. I don't care if it's through Protect Life Michigan. I don't care if it's through Billy Joe from Montana. Just get involved.

00:24:57.020 It's not about me. It's about the babies. It's about our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ.

00:25:03.500 And so it's not important enough about the group, but about the work that you're doing.

00:25:07.680 But we would love to have more young people involved. And you don't even have to be a rocker.

00:25:12.280 You don't have to look like me to be involved with Rock for Life.

00:25:16.400 We have some people from every background that are involved. 0.87

00:25:19.760 And we just want to see hearts turn to Christ in the end of the abortion holocaust. 0.84

00:25:26.000 I love it.

00:25:26.860 My producer and I were at the Protect Live Michigan dinner

00:25:29.640 recently supporting them.

00:25:30.980 They do some really good work.

00:25:32.200 But there are so many good organizations across the country

00:25:34.840 that are doing good work in this area, and they need support.

00:25:37.480 So anyone watching, reach out to your local abortion abolitionist movement

00:25:41.880 and take part in that.

00:25:43.660 Brian, before we came on air, I was asking you

00:25:46.000 why your mother spelt your name with a Y, 7i.

00:25:48.480 And it seems it's divine providence

00:25:49.860 because you are Brian Kemper on all social platforms.

00:25:52.440 Your name was available.

00:25:54.120 That's probably the reason why.

00:25:55.460 Yes, absolutely.

00:25:57.540 Apparently, see, here's another story, Father.

00:26:00.500 What I didn't go into is my mother actually tried to have an abortion.

00:26:04.540 My mother conceived me not in wedlock in 1966 in California.

00:26:10.460 And you can imagine in the 60s, a young woman out of wedlock, what that looked like and how people treated that.

00:26:17.000 And so she tried to have an abortion, wasn't able to get one.

00:26:20.680 my grandparents were so ashamed that she was pregnant they made her move to san francisco 1.00

00:26:25.800 to give birth so none of the neighbors would know their daughter was pregnant

00:26:28.840 which is something that is another whole we can do five hours on that subject

00:26:33.640 but she drove down the street toward the hospital and passed a brian street and a scott street and

00:26:41.620 so my name is brian scott kemper that's how it was spelled and that's how i got my name but it

00:26:46.760 was providence i love that but and i thank you for also pointing out the fact that we seem to

00:26:53.000 be winning but we're not always winning because i see these abortion centers being closed down i

00:26:58.240 see planned parenthood lose their funding and i celebrate those successes and we must celebrate

00:27:02.840 those successes yes absolutely but these pills these deadly pills are becoming more and more

00:27:08.120 readily available and post-covid it's pretty much you can apply anywhere they can send you them by

00:27:12.780 the post you kill your baby by yourself without ever checking with a doctor um your choice to

00:27:18.200 to sacrifice your child is entirely your own at this point which is so dark but uh thank you for

00:27:23.280 raising awareness to that very important part of this battle absolutely it's it's going to be i

00:27:28.920 think the center of the battle for quite a while now we need to figure out new ways to fight this

00:27:33.800 because the like you said these abortion centers are closing and i praise god for every single

00:27:39.740 abortion center that closes but now there's things that are secret that are hidden behind

00:27:45.200 doors that we don't know about and it's it makes the battle harder but we have to fight harder

00:27:50.260 fighting harder absolutely uh one more reminder brian where can people find you and more

00:27:55.100 information about you if they want to follow you uh again brian kemper brian with a y

00:28:00.480 on all social media platforms and rockforlife.org um and for all your your people there in fact uh

00:28:08.020 some of my group from Survivors is in Michigan today training with Pro-Life Michigan. So some

00:28:14.620 of our group is working with Pro-Life Michigan today to train out there in Michigan. So we're

00:28:19.200 excited. And I love when groups like that work together, that come together. They don't worry

00:28:24.680 about anything. It's about doing the work that's right. I think Trevor and Kristen are two of my

00:28:30.460 favorite pro-life heroes of all time up there in Michigan. So I'm excited that my boss is up there

00:28:37.360 in michigan working with them it just makes us stronger i love it as my uh producer just said

00:28:43.360 we've got to shift the default position from tolerating it to abhorring it and that is

00:28:47.660 absolutely it's a mind shift uh yeah we cannot just be against abortion

00:28:53.240 like a noun pro-life can't just be a noun it must be a verb there must be action and that's why i

00:29:01.680 moved to calling myself anti-abortion. That's what I am. I'm anti-abortion. Abortion is a horrific

00:29:09.380 act of murder, cold-blooded, premeditated murder, and we must treat it as such or we're never going

00:29:17.800 to end it. Hear, hear. Brian Kemper, thank you very much for joining me today. God bless you.

00:29:22.900 God bless you, and thank you for being a voice and for using your collar for the right things,

00:29:28.640 And I appreciate that.

00:29:30.220 I wish to God more ministers would do what you're doing because I think we'd see an end to it.

00:29:36.240 I tend to agree.

00:29:37.220 Thank you for those words of encouragement and keep doing what you're doing.

00:29:40.380 Thank you.

00:29:41.000 God bless you, sir.

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00:30:48.980 i'm now joined by my guest jeremy ryan slate jeremy thank you for making the time to join

00:30:57.700 us today how are you hey calvin i appreciate you having me on i know we just had you on the

00:31:02.240 athenian book club podcast that i host to talk about c.s lewis so i appreciate you having me

00:31:06.640 on your show that was a good chat and i'm hoping we're having another one today because we're

00:31:09.780 talking about well i suppose we're really talking about our civilization and where we're headed but

00:31:14.780 really and truly, we're going back to the parallels of ancient Rome, the ancient empire

00:31:19.900 of empires, the one that every single man dreams about most nights. What first got you interested

00:31:25.220 in Rome? So I went to Seton Hall University here in New Jersey for my undergrad. Then I did a

00:31:33.360 certificate at New College Oxford, then came back and did my MA here at Seton Hall. And when I was

00:31:41.540 in England, I read this really obscure article because I was obsessed with Alexander the Great

00:31:46.280 at the time. I actually have a Alexander bus that sits on my table next to me. And I've read just

00:31:53.540 about every book you could imagine about Alexander the Great. So I read this one obscure article

00:31:58.540 about, it was by a Jesuit priest named Father Cuthbert Leyte. And it was about after the Battle

00:32:04.900 of Actium in 31 BC, Augustus defeats Mark Antony and then goes and prays before the sarcophagus

00:32:11.300 of Alexander the Great. Because at that point in time, they still know where it was. And I was

00:32:16.960 like, why would he do that? That's so strange. And my master's thesis ended up being about how

00:32:23.620 Augustus built a divine worship cult around himself using Alexander the Great as a model.

00:32:29.020 So for me, that was kind of the doorway into what is the Roman Empire. And I was really focused on

00:32:34.680 the late Republic, early Empire. But in the last few years, I've been reading a lot more about the

00:32:40.460 crisis of the third century. And if you look at that, to me, I see so much of what happened in

00:32:47.020 the third century, not all of it, there are some things that are different. But I see a lot of that

00:32:51.220 and what's happening, not just in modern America, but in other places in the world as well.

00:32:55.960 Yeah, of course, the old adage is that history doesn't repeat, but it does rhyme.

00:32:59.740 Before we get to today, though, let's have a look at what did happen in ancient Rome,

00:33:03.320 because I've seen you talking about the fact that the Roman Empire didn't end when people

00:33:07.380 say the Roman Empire ended, or when historians say the Roman Empire ended. Of course, they like

00:33:11.640 to give a date, whether it's an estimate or a rough figure, just to give people something

00:33:16.120 tangible. But your theory is that, of course, it actually ended a century before then.

00:33:21.660 So people often base these things on Gibbon, and I think it's important to understand where

00:33:27.180 somebody's coming from when they're writing. And Gibbon is, he's born into the Church of England,

00:33:32.340 But while he's at Oxford, he actually converts to Catholicism.

00:33:35.940 And then his father convinces him to convert to Calvinism.

00:33:39.760 So they actually remove him from England for a little bit.

00:33:42.240 And he's also writing during the time of the American Revolution, right?

00:33:45.220 So when he starts writing, things are going well.

00:33:48.120 And the longer he goes on, things are getting worse and worse and worse.

00:33:50.840 You have to understand his viewpoint of what he's looking at.

00:33:52.800 He's looking at a decline in civilization.

00:33:55.640 And how can we compare this to what's happening for him in modern England at that point in time?

00:34:00.840 But when you look at when Rome actually dies, in my opinion, really that the end point is 378 AD.

00:34:09.980 What happens that year is a battle called Adrianople.

00:34:14.000 And at that point in time, the Emperor Valens actually falls in battle to barbarians.

00:34:20.540 And after that period of time, most of the Roman emperors are just puppets that are stood up by whatever, you know,

00:34:27.600 federati or barbarian commander that is in place at this point in time.

00:34:30.700 So really, the last 100 years or so of the Western Empire, the empire will just really

00:34:35.860 limp along.

00:34:36.580 Now, I do want to add, though, because a lot of people tend to tend to say, well, Rome

00:34:41.400 really fell in 1453 when Constantinople falls.

00:34:45.560 And you could make that case because when you look at the Byzantine Empire, that name

00:34:51.100 is only given to it in the 16th century, they would have called themselves Romans.

00:34:55.200 So their culture becomes a lot more monarchical and does become a lot more Greek, but it is

00:35:01.680 essentially Roman and they would have called themselves Romans. So when Charlemagne is

00:35:06.400 crowned Holy Roman Emperor in 800, they would have been like, who is this guy? Because we still have

00:35:10.960 a Roman emperor here in Constantinople. Yeah. But they're two distinct empires

00:35:16.000 throughout history, aren't they really and truly? Well, in some ways, because what ends up happening

00:35:21.360 is there's this play between east and west splitting for a number of years there's a

00:35:25.600 division that happens in 284 under diocletian where he realizes this empire is very difficult

00:35:31.520 to rule it's just went through 50 years of 26 different emperors you know some ruling weeks

00:35:37.040 some ruling months if you were lucky and you're gallianus you're ruling for 15 years but he takes

00:35:43.680 it and divides it up between two junior emperors and two senior emperors this system's called the

00:35:47.840 the Tetrarchy. And for a period of time, it'll go like that. Then we get to Constantine in 311,

00:35:55.600 after the Battle of Milvian Bridge, and he'll actually control the United Empire again. 0.69

00:35:59.400 So we'll have co-emperors for a while after that. But the final real split between East and West

00:36:04.480 happens in 380. 380 is when Theodosius comes to power. But after Theodosius dies, I think,

00:36:11.500 which is like 395, he's going to divide it between his two sons, Honorius and Arcadius.

00:36:17.220 So that's the real divide between East and West, and it doesn't come back after that point. But culturally, they are very different since the Eastern Roman Empire is very influenced by Greek and Asiatic culture.

00:36:29.900 Yeah. Do you think there's a parallel to Diocletian in our modern context, a reformer of his type?

00:36:39.900 That's hard to say, because I think what Diocletian does is in his attempts to save Rome, he makes it into something very different.

00:36:47.220 and historians actually call the beginning of diocletian's rome the dominate and they'll call

00:36:52.420 the beginning of diocletian's rome until the until the late empire they will call it the dominate

00:36:58.260 early rome it is called the principate and that name actually comes from

00:37:02.660 when augustus becomes the first emperor he didn't want to call himself a king because rome early on

00:37:08.740 had been a kingdom at its founding in 753 and the last king is run out by a consul named brutus in

00:37:15.220 in 509. So Romans hated the ideas of kingship. So he calls himself Princeps. It comes from the

00:37:21.420 word Princeps Sinatus, which was the Roman version of the Speaker of the House. And he

00:37:27.500 calls himself Princeps, basically meaning first citizen. So I'm just like you. I just happen to

00:37:31.980 have a little bit more power. I'm the first citizen. So historians call this early empire

00:37:36.620 until 284, the Principate. After Diocletian, you get a more despotic rule and a more direct

00:37:44.000 monarchy type of rule. So historians tend to call this the dominate. So what Diocletian does

00:37:50.580 is he attempts to reform currency. He's not very successful at it. He divides the empire up as we

00:37:56.260 talked about before. He creates new military units to basically manage this empire. They're

00:38:03.060 called diocese. And that'll actually be something that the church will take over after the fall of

00:38:07.520 the Western empire. And he tries to control prices because inflation, by the time he takes

00:38:14.780 over, it's at about 15,000%. So to control that, he says the best way to do this, price controls.

00:38:22.260 And obviously in history, we know those don't work. So he issues what's called the edict of

00:38:26.340 maximum prices, and it just creates a budding black market. And so the tetrarchy that he creates

00:38:33.220 is only going to last for about 20 years, not much longer after his own abdication

00:38:37.280 in 305. So in a lot of ways, you have to think he gives the empire a little bit more life,

00:38:45.040 but it's not the Rome that it was before himself, if that makes sense. I don't really know that

00:38:49.640 there is a modern Diocletian out there because you have to wonder, can countries, America,

00:38:57.400 whatever it might be, get back to what we were? And I think that's the difficulty because I look at

00:39:01.880 a lot of changes like this, like a ratchet, right?

00:39:06.020 Unless you press that button on the back,

00:39:08.000 a ratchet moves in one direction.

00:39:09.400 It becomes very hard to go backwards.

00:39:11.480 Is that not the point, though,

00:39:12.460 in that they didn't really go backwards,

00:39:15.100 and the things that Trump's trying to do now

00:39:17.200 with his tariffs and caps

00:39:20.040 will essentially have the same effect.

00:39:21.780 It will just be that ratchet.

00:39:23.060 It won't necessarily solve the problem.

00:39:25.260 So to broaden the question there,

00:39:27.260 what can we learn from Diocletian's reforms?

00:39:29.760 We're also facing economic turmoil, political instability.

00:39:33.780 We're facing many of the same issues.

00:39:35.360 What can we learn from his reforms?

00:39:37.320 So I think we can actually learn more from the reforms of Constantine that comes not long after him.

00:39:42.480 Constantine's going to come into power in 311 after the Battle of Milvian Bridge.

00:39:47.480 Because we mentioned that these reforms Diocletian does, they're not really that successful because the West will continue to decline.

00:39:54.780 It's going to have about another 180 years or so. 0.78

00:39:57.680 the East is going to go until 1453. So that's almost 1,100 years after this point.

00:40:02.840 The thing that Constantine does, the one he always gets credit for is the change to Christianity.

00:40:09.280 And I think that is important because it does bring people united in a lot of ways. But I think

00:40:13.940 the other thing which doesn't get that much attention, and if you ask a Roman living in

00:40:17.780 the time of Constantine, what do you find to be most important? And that's actually that he

00:40:22.460 handles currency. He issues a new gold coin called the solidus, which has a much higher

00:40:28.440 percentage of gold than previous because most Roman currency had been silver. And as I mentioned

00:40:34.140 by 284, 14,000% inflation, it's basically a bronze coin with like a silver foil over top of it that

00:40:41.040 would flake off in your hand. The thing that Constantine does, and he does this over a period

00:40:46.440 of years. So starting in 314 in a city called Trier in Germany, he mints less than 100 gold

00:40:53.020 coins. And he's going to continue to mint gold coins every single year until he dies, which I

00:40:58.060 think is around 336. So by the time he dies, the East is now on a gold standard. The issues Roman

00:41:05.760 had previously is there were gold coins, but most of them weren't in circulation because people

00:41:11.080 were hoarding them. So the thing that Constantine does differently is he requires taxes to be paid

00:41:15.840 gold. And this actually forces gold into the marketplace. And that currency is going to go

00:41:21.420 till around the year 1000 without inflation. So that's almost 700 years of no inflation because

00:41:28.220 he fixes the currency. So that's one of the key reasons that the East lasts so long in addition 0.98

00:41:32.620 to the fact that Constantinople is extremely hard to attack because of where it's located.

00:41:38.140 And you could say, you could argue that gold as a measure of currency lost all the way up

00:41:42.980 until the 20th century or the late 19th century um constantine what's your theory because when i

00:41:49.960 was in seminary we'd learn you know he saw the sign of the cross in the sky and in this sign we

00:41:54.260 conquer and the more secular argument is that well he he wanted a god that would provide um

00:42:00.960 victory for his army and then the more atheist answer is well he was just all about taking over

00:42:06.780 and it was about control and this is why the church is actually is roman and it's not actually

00:42:11.460 faithful. It's just part of a Constantine hierarchy. What's your theory on Constantine

00:42:16.800 and the Christian faith and the church? So I think the difficulty is, I think it's

00:42:21.560 not all one answer, if that makes sense. I think it's a little bit of several. I think when you

00:42:28.120 look at it, Constantine had to be inspired by something, right? He had to be inspired by

00:42:33.220 something. Christianity was a growing faith at this point in time. And the empire as it is,

00:42:39.560 somewhere between three and five percent christian at this point in time but because they were

00:42:44.200 traveling around so much there was actually a large number of christians in the legions well

00:42:48.080 it's approaching a critical mass at that number yeah it's starting to approach a critical mass

00:42:51.980 in a lot of ways and a lot of what constantine does helps to change to make that transmission

00:42:57.020 uh transmission move faster so it's difficult to say it's one cause because i think when you look

00:43:03.240 at it people that um believe in a number of different things as romans did they could change

00:43:11.180 depending on what country they were conquering they could change depending on what part of the

00:43:14.900 the uh empire they were in so i think that's one thing is the unity and viewpoint i think is

00:43:20.320 important i think there was some sort of divine inspiration for him as well um and then you even

00:43:27.560 look at what he does after the fact with the council of nicaea he wants to help figure out

00:43:31.520 what do Christians believe? And the Nicene Creed actually comes out of that. I love the old trope

00:43:36.180 that people try to say the books of the Bible were written at the Council of Nicene. And I'm like,

00:43:39.320 really? That did not happen. But I think that's really what it comes down to is people had come

00:43:46.320 out of this 50-year crisis of the third century, not long before Constantine. They saw that the

00:43:51.860 old gods weren't helping them because what an emperor would try to do is restore the peace

00:43:55.820 of the gods, which means sacrifices to Roman gods to fix things. That didn't really work and things

00:44:01.300 just got worse. So people are really looking for something. Constantine finds something and also

00:44:06.540 people need unity a bit. So I don't think it's really single causal, if that makes sense. I think

00:44:11.140 to say it's just divine inspiration doesn't totally make sense. But I think to say the other

00:44:16.820 way where he's just kind of creating this Roman, you know, as you positioned before, people say

00:44:24.180 it's just this kind of idea that it's just Roman and it's not actually a church. I think that's

00:44:28.480 not correct either. I think it's a multi-causal thing, if that makes sense. I apologize that was

00:44:33.160 a really bad explanation. It makes sense. And you emphasize their unity and homogeneity is

00:44:38.180 important. And of course, the Roman Empire had a policy of social engineering and assimilation.

00:44:43.480 How do you think that contributed to the longevity of the empire?

00:44:48.480 Well, I think that's the thing that's interesting about Rome is for the most part,

00:44:52.720 Rome is actually very permissive. And when they would travel to different areas,

00:44:57.540 they would bring in different religions. So there were even emperors that worshiped different gods

00:45:01.340 like Sol Invictus, who comes from Syria, or Elagabal, that also comes from a similar region,

00:45:07.160 or you could worship ISIS and live in the Roman Empire. And this does create a quite permissive

00:45:14.300 environment for Christianity. I know early on, after the death of Christ, it isn't quite safe 0.59

00:45:20.740 to be a Christian early on, but it is going to start to become a little bit safer. Now,

00:45:24.100 here's the difficulty. I mentioned earlier something called the Pax Deorum, or the Peace

00:45:29.140 of the Gods. And Rome had this idea that it was able to do well because the gods were smiling on

00:45:36.060 them in a lot of ways. And if things weren't going well, an emperor thought they would need to

00:45:41.420 restore the Peace of the Gods or restore this Pax Deorum. We see this happen under Nero after

00:45:47.140 the fire of Rome in 64, and there's a massive persecution of Christians that happened. We see

00:45:52.420 this happen again around 250 when there's an emperor named Decius, and he's struggling with

00:45:58.700 several things. Climate change, lack of border control, inflation, and dying emperors. He says

00:46:05.360 the way we're going to solve this is sacrifices to the pagan gods because we're going to restore

00:46:09.180 the Pax Deorum, and that obviously doesn't work and Decius doesn't live very long. There's also

00:46:13.660 another large persecution under Diocletian as well, which is interesting because there's four

00:46:20.720 tetrarchs or four emperors. And he's the only one that really does this persecution because he's

00:46:25.780 trying to restore the peace of the gods. So that's really the only time that you see

00:46:31.100 Christianity having a real problem. There's even letters between Pliny the Younger and Trajan.

00:46:40.740 And Pliny the Younger is a governor in a place called Bithynia. And he's discovering these new

00:46:46.960 Christians. And he doesn't quite know how to describe them. He doesn't understand what they

00:46:51.160 are. He doesn't understand how they're different from Jews. And he's trying to describe to Trajan

00:46:55.700 what Christians are. And he says, well, what do I do about them? And basically, Trajan's idea is, 0.94

00:47:01.780 unless they're causing trouble, kind of leave them alone. So for the most part, unless you

00:47:06.720 were causing uprising, the empire was going to leave you alone unless times were going so well.

00:47:11.760 Yeah. So you say the empire didn't fall in 476 AD, but around, was it 317?

00:47:18.900 378.

00:47:19.540 378.

00:47:19.940 It was after the Battle of Adrianople.

00:47:22.520 So those 100 odd years, we see a rapid decline. So let's parallel that to the West, to modern Christendom.

00:47:31.880 would it be fair to say that the west fell maybe 1920s or just before world war one and for the

00:47:41.640 last hundred years we've seen our politicians being held up as puppets in a similar way

00:47:45.400 for foreign ideologies and foreign regimes would it be fair to say we're seeing a similar pattern

00:47:51.180 evolve there well i think if you're going to look at america specifically i i don't know that we've

00:47:56.720 been in this fall stage for a while, if that makes sense. And once again, history doesn't

00:48:02.900 repeat, but it does rhyme in a lot of ways, right? There's patterns you can notice and see.

00:48:06.640 For me, I actually see 1913 as a very pivotal year. There's a number of things that happen

00:48:12.560 here in America in that year. The first is the 17th Amendment, which means the state legislatures

00:48:17.940 no longer elect senators. They're now popularly elected. So the House and the Senate are basically

00:48:23.240 selected in the same ways, which means the states no longer have representation. It's just popular

00:48:27.660 votes. So we've become, really since that time, more of a democracy than a representative republic.

00:48:33.120 We also see as well the income tax amendment passes, which is the 16th amendment,

00:48:39.240 and we see the Federal Reserve Act, which passes that year. So there's a lot of things that,

00:48:45.160 in my opinion, start this change from America from republic to more of an empire.

00:48:49.260 And I think World War II is really that empire moment for America, because if you look at it, we have military bases all over the world. Nobody has any here. And I think that's actually a really interesting thing to understand is we started to go all over the world and kind of push further control using the petrodollars that control.

00:49:08.600 Now, where I see us now is actually more of a third century moment, because in the third

00:49:14.520 century, there's a number of different things happening.

00:49:17.380 First, that inflation we talked about before.

00:49:19.740 They're also having extreme difficulty controlling their borders.

00:49:23.640 And politicians are becoming extremely short-sighted.

00:49:26.100 So they're just doing what's good for them now, enriching themselves.

00:49:28.440 If they can live, they can live. 0.96

00:49:30.240 And if they die, they die.

00:49:31.480 So I think to me, we're not seeing congressmen and senators raising arms against each other like we did in third century Rome, but I think we're seeing similar patterns here. I don't know how long that means we have because we're not at an inflationary number like Rome was at this point.

00:49:47.960 if you want to do the math, that we're somewhere around 3,000 or 3,500% real inflation, because

00:49:53.560 that inflationary number they give you year over year just isn't correct. It's 4% since last

00:49:58.960 quarter. It's like, okay, great. But it doesn't include building materials and other things that

00:50:03.000 are actually going to give you a real idea of where we are long term. So I think we are somewhere

00:50:07.740 in this third century moment. And I think it opens us up to there are things that can be done

00:50:14.000 about it. Because I think one of the things in the third century that really starts to crush Rome

00:50:19.460 is you have those three problems I outlined, but then because the center is becoming so weak,

00:50:25.780 the peripheries start to break away. So the Western part of the empire breaks off and forms

00:50:31.480 what's called the Gallic Empire, which is going to last for around 15 years. The Eastern part is

00:50:36.480 going to break off under a woman named Zenobia and last for about eight to 10 years. And that's 1.00

00:50:41.960 called the Palmyran Empire. And it's actually reunited in the 270s by an emperor named Aurelian.

00:50:48.320 And Aurelian, for his ability to reunite the empire, is actually assassinated a year after

00:50:53.000 doing so in 275. So I think we're somewhere in here, and it's the national divorce conversations

00:50:59.260 that make me think about that. Because people looking to pull away from the center because

00:51:03.840 it's not supporting them anymore, that shows a bit of instability. And you start to see periphery

00:51:08.440 start to pull away when the center isn't really taking care of them anymore that's fascinating to

00:51:13.580 me the parallels between america and britain because it's interesting to hear your american

00:51:17.780 perspective because i've been saying for a long time that the edwardian period uh between 1901

00:51:22.640 and 1914 was was the peak of the british empire and post 1914 and post world war one that was the

00:51:28.840 rapid decline of the british empire and you're saying that that's the exact year or just about

00:51:33.860 that the american republic became an empire and so it seems the western power shifted from britain

00:51:39.240 to america but we've shared the moral decline moral decay you know the rise in feminism the

00:51:45.000 rise in sexual indecency and debauchery all these things happened across the whole of the west

00:51:49.460 unfortunately uh which brings me to this idea of hashtag no kings uh because people are looking

00:51:57.200 people are looking at donald trump as as a caesar figure and i've seen you talking about before

00:52:02.240 like there is a whole journey to Caesar becoming Caesar or to Rome getting a Caesar. Have we been

00:52:08.180 through a similar journey? And is Trump a Caesar? So I think the difficulty is when you look at it,

00:52:15.320 Time Magazine did an article about four years ago and they said, is Donald Trump Julius Caesar? And

00:52:19.680 it's like, no, I really don't think so. But now the thing I will say, pull back and I think the

00:52:25.780 presidency has become a much more imperial type of presidency. And that's not an opinion about a

00:52:31.300 particular president because you look at Trump, Obama, Biden, Bush, the number of executive

00:52:37.980 orders they've run to actually run the country is obnoxious. There was a statistic and I think

00:52:44.060 it was Bush had more executive orders than every president before him combined. So it is a bit

00:52:50.440 crazy when you look at how centrally the executive is ruling. I think Trump is a better alternative

00:52:57.000 than what we've had previously.

00:52:58.280 He's definitely not perfect.

00:52:59.960 But I think we have become a much more imperial structure.

00:53:02.900 And if you look at the late Roman Republic,

00:53:05.980 one of my favorite historians that wrote in the 1930s

00:53:08.760 is a guy named Ronald Syme.

00:53:10.520 And he calls the last hundred years of the Roman Republic.

00:53:13.980 So we're not in an empire yet.

00:53:15.320 This is the Roman Republic.

00:53:16.860 He calls it the Roman Revolution.

00:53:18.960 Because if you look at it,

00:53:20.060 it's not just Julius Caesar pops up and Rome falls.

00:53:23.100 It's basically this idea that in the last hundred years,

00:53:26.540 you start to see the rules get broken. And once one guy breaks the rules, it's easier for the

00:53:32.120 next one to break the rules and the next one. And it really starts in 133. You have two brothers,

00:53:38.360 Gaius and Tiberius Gracchus. The first brother, Tiberius Gracchus, is coming back from

00:53:43.660 the Punic Wars. And he's observing that a lot of these rich families have started to take public

00:53:50.080 land and build their own farms on it, which is not supposed to be the case because they want to

00:53:54.880 take this land and redistribute it to veterans that are coming back from this war. So there's 0.85

00:53:59.000 a lot of very poor people farming on these rich farms. And he's a bit disgusted by this. So he

00:54:04.620 starts to make some populist reforms when he gets back to Rome. And the political class doesn't like

00:54:10.360 this. He becomes what's known as a populare. And a populare was somebody that would pass laws that

00:54:16.520 were good for the people, whereas the Senate would call the optimates. They were the ones that

00:54:21.680 really wanted the wealth for themselves, the power for themselves. And he uses the power of

00:54:26.960 what's called the Tribune of the Plebs to start to pass some of these populist laws. And he actually

00:54:31.320 takes them directly to the people because the Senate's blocking them. He had the power to do

00:54:35.120 that as a Tribune of the Plebs. So the Senate handles this by killing him. He's beaten to death 0.99

00:54:39.960 with clubs and the legs of stools and things like that. His brother, Gaius, about 10 years later,

00:54:47.480 is going to take up that mantle. And there's different stories about how Gaius dies, but he

00:54:52.660 meets a similar end. One story is that he has his slave basically kill him because he didn't want

00:54:58.020 to kill himself and he knew other people were going to kill him. So you have these two brothers

00:55:01.780 that basically, now political violence is a thing. They have been killed. Not too far after that,

00:55:08.220 you're going to have a general named Gaius Marius. And Gaius Marius is this great reformer of the

00:55:14.500 Roman army. The thing that he does is he actually creates the eagle standard of the Roman army.

00:55:20.020 He's going to change where it's not people actually, people with money going into the army,

00:55:25.940 but he's taking the landless poor and bringing to the army because he needs soldiers for this war 0.98

00:55:29.500 he's fighting against the Kimbrough. And he's also going to hold the office of consul seven times.

00:55:35.760 So consul, there were two of them every year, and it was kind of like being president, if you

00:55:39.300 want to imagine. Romans didn't want to have one man to have power, so they'd have two every year.

00:55:43.680 and he holds this office seven times you were supposed to hold it every 10 years so obviously

00:55:50.220 he's breaking the rules in order to do that he's going to start to have a rivalry with one of the

00:55:56.340 the men in his own army he's going against this uh this general named jugurtha and somebody that's

00:56:04.620 actually in his army brings jugurtha to him this guy named sulla and marius takes the credit for

00:56:10.620 it. Sulla is greatly offended. The two of them start to become rivals. And later on, Sulla is

00:56:16.760 going to be given a consulship. But Marius wants the consulship. So he manages to get the power

00:56:22.100 taken from Sulla and given to himself. Sulla doesn't like this. So in 82 BC, he's actually

00:56:30.580 going to march on the city of Rome. And he's the first person to actually march on the city.

00:56:35.420 He declares himself dictator for a period of four years where he does these things called

00:56:39.580 proscriptions and actually kills any of his political opponents right there in the forum.

00:56:45.260 And so this is a dramatic change now, right? Because the office of dictator was only supposed

00:56:49.700 to be held for six months. He holds it for four years. So we start to see the political apparatus

00:56:54.400 breaking down. Then we have a general that is fighting under Sulla, and his name is Pompey.

00:57:02.360 Pompey is, he's called the Great or Magnus because he conquers parts of Europe, Asia,

00:57:07.120 and Africa. And he starts to be able to hold offices that you're not supposed to be able to

00:57:12.200 hold at a much younger age than to do it. You had to be 40 to be consul. He holds it much younger.

00:57:17.780 And he actually has a privately funded army because his family comes from wealth.

00:57:23.160 So this is the period you start to be in. You have all this upheaval, all these rules broken,

00:57:27.800 and along comes a guy named Julius Caesar. Caesar holds the consulship in 59,

00:57:32.300 passes a bunch of laws that the Senate isn't in support of,

00:57:37.720 but the people are in support of.

00:57:39.500 And then he goes off to be called what's a pro-consul.

00:57:42.000 So a pro-consul was somebody with consular power,

00:57:44.500 but outside the city of Rome.

00:57:46.300 So for nine years, he does this and conquers Gaul.

00:57:49.940 He decides that he wants to, after this nine-year period,

00:57:53.220 come back to Rome and run for consul again,

00:57:56.360 because it's been the 10 years he's come back to do that.

00:58:00.600 Rome's type of electorate is you actually had to go in person in order to run for office.

00:58:05.200 He starts to hear through the grapevine that one of his political enemies, Cato the Younger,

00:58:09.740 has trumped up charges on him.

00:58:11.720 And if he goes back to Rome, he's going to be arrested.

00:58:14.620 So he petitions the Senate to run in absentia.

00:58:18.360 And that petition is granted.

00:58:21.180 And then Cato has it rescinded.

00:58:23.220 So Caesar is then forced to go to Rome.

00:58:25.620 And that's where the whole idea of crossing the Rubicon comes in.

00:58:29.260 He approaches this river in northern Italy with 10 legions, leaves nine of them there,

00:58:33.380 crosses with one, enters the city, and guess what?

00:58:36.440 All his enemies flee.

00:58:38.180 And that is really how Caesar comes to power.

00:58:41.300 He's assassinated in 44, and his great nephew, Augustus, is actually going to become the

00:58:47.140 first emperor.

00:58:47.840 So I know that was extremely fast, a lot of names, but if you want to look at how Rome

00:58:53.060 falls into an empire, that's how it happens.

00:58:55.360 Now, for us, it's much more of laws being passed, right? It's much more by legislation. And we had those three that I mentioned. And then FDR is more of your Augustus type character because he creates this entirely new thing with a lot of the laws he's passing and even the work programs he's passing. America after FDR is vastly different.

00:59:17.520 So that was a long-winded explanation. But to me, that's how an empire comes to be from a republic. And for us, it was a lot different because it was more kind of laws being passed rather than active fighting in the streets. But it is interesting when you kind of see how you get there.

00:59:34.120 I like it. There are a lot of memes, and I opened up the interview alluding to this, of young men thinking of the Roman Empire every single day, dreaming of the Roman Empire. I think as a Brit, we should be dreaming about the British Empire, because that was a greater empire. However, there's clearly a-

00:59:53.580 I do have to say, I'm a big fan of the War of the Roses, and I think Edward IV was a total badass.

00:59:59.860 we have had a few but the point is that men are thriving or thirsting for something greater for

01:00:07.880 a different lifestyle uh does that play into it or is it is it purely about seeing that the state

01:00:13.200 of the world around us that's leading to these um fantasies well i think there's two parts to that

01:00:19.020 i think first is when empires aren't doing well people look for examples of when they've started

01:00:25.200 the collapse or when they started to decline. I think Rome is part of that. But I think as well,

01:00:29.680 you look at Western civilization and it stopped having as much of a place for men, right? It 0.94

01:00:36.300 stopped being a place for men. Now, it doesn't necessarily mean that the way things were before

01:00:42.280 the 19th century when women couldn't do anything is the right way. I think it's kind of a bit of a

01:00:46.920 bit of a mix between them. But I think the world we're in now, it's pushed too far where it's not

01:00:52.120 okay to be masculine. It's not okay to take care of your family. It's not okay to stand up for

01:00:55.800 yourself. And men look for a time period when that was okay. And if you even look at laws that

01:01:02.520 changed through the Roman empire, fathers became less and less and less important and the state

01:01:07.840 became more important. And we're seeing that as well. So to me, I think men are looking at,

01:01:13.380 you know, when did we matter? When did we have power? And when did we have the ability to change

01:01:17.240 our stars. Because yes, was there massive wealth and inequity in the Roman Empire? Absolutely.

01:01:23.980 But at the same time, you could have someone like Maximinus Thrax, who starts as somebody

01:01:29.780 living out in the provinces, raises up to the army, and he becomes emperor. Now he does it by

01:01:33.600 force, but he does become emperor. So there was openings for people to change their position,

01:01:38.880 and there just isn't that much of it anymore. I don't think people care about inequity as long

01:01:43.240 as there is an opportunity for mobility. I agree. I agree. Because here's the issue I see. We just

01:01:50.060 had the conversation about Elon Musk becoming a trillionaire. And you look at that and I would

01:01:55.120 say, well, good for you, right? Like you've created things that people use. You created

01:01:59.040 things people are excited about. And I think to be jealous of that likely says that you're not

01:02:05.480 willing to take the risks he did. You're not willing to innovate like he did. I think there

01:02:08.820 should be great warts for that. And a lot of business people take extreme risk, make no money

01:02:15.160 or lose money for a long period of time for the hope of one day being successful. So I think

01:02:19.300 mobility and the ability to actually make something yourself is a big deal.

01:02:23.900 Well, it's a very American idea. It's something we've lost in Europe. But much of this is the

01:02:28.620 state of play. What we're getting to here is the parallels between the old world and the new world.

01:02:32.940 And we seem to be going in a similar direction. The biggest question I have right here is,

01:02:36.540 what is the point of no return? So I think the point of no return, because as I mentioned,

01:02:42.600 there's really three parts to it. Inflation, immigration, right? Rome had a massive border 0.96

01:02:48.020 problem. We have a massive border problem. You look at what's happening in the UK. There are

01:02:52.600 parts of it that are unrecognizable as being parts of the United Kingdom. This is happening

01:02:58.500 a lot of Europe as well. And so to me, I think the real issue is once your money is destroyed

01:03:05.860 is really the point of no return and we are racing so fast towards that point and there's not really

01:03:11.060 a plan to fix that and while i like the tariffs and other actions that have happened now something

01:03:17.540 has to be done whether it's handling the federal reserve which i don't know that anyone will ever

01:03:21.780 do there has to be something done with money and the other part is actually handling your borders

01:03:27.300 because once you start to lose common identity and common cause and kind of a common story as

01:03:33.780 as a civilization, and your money doesn't have any power anymore, well, it doesn't actually hold

01:03:40.180 things together, right? Because if you look at welfare programs and people on them, if they're

01:03:45.640 in a country for those programs and for the opportunities that come from the money, if the

01:03:49.600 money isn't worth anything anymore, well, then you don't have a country anymore because there is no

01:03:53.600 common identity. Does that make sense? No, it makes perfect sense. I would say that the money

01:03:57.800 system is already broken. Taking us off the gold reserve was the end of the monetary system that

01:04:03.220 we have now, but it really and truly crashed in 2008, 2009. It hasn't recovered since, and it's

01:04:08.340 an illusion that it's recovered. And eventually, that's all going to crumble around us. The fiat

01:04:13.160 system cannot go on for very much longer. So there has to be a replacement. I don't think

01:04:17.880 the Federal Reserve is part of the solution. I think that's already dead. But you also mentioned

01:04:22.740 the immigration side of it. So it's not just, obviously, it's not just the money, it's the

01:04:25.820 people. We have precedence in the, what is it, 212 edict of Caracalla. So talk us through that.

01:04:33.460 Does everyone become a citizen? How does that help the empire? Does everyone become overnight,

01:04:38.260 you know, 30 million people just happen to become citizens?

01:04:42.140 So it's not everyone, which I think is important to understand. It's all free people living in

01:04:46.380 Roman provinces and within the empire. Because if you're a slave at that point in time, you're

01:04:51.060 you're still a slave. Sorry, you're not getting citizenship. But what Caracalla does is he's

01:04:55.660 attempting to handle a treasury that's broke. And one of the major taxes that someone would pay as

01:05:01.960 a citizen was an inheritance tax. If your parents died and you inherited some money, well, Rome got

01:05:07.760 a good portion of that. So he's looking at how do I replenish the treasury? So he in 212 gives that

01:05:14.660 citizenship to about 30 million people overnight. And I think here's the interesting part is

01:05:20.020 you're going to have citizenship that has voting rights and citizenship that doesn't have voting

01:05:24.580 rights this is largely a non-voting rights citizenship that's given out it's purely for

01:05:29.460 the ability to be able to tax people it would give them some ability to get things like the

01:05:34.100 grain dole and different and different social programs but for the most part it was to tax

01:05:39.440 people and the really interesting part about that now is you now have all these people that are now

01:05:43.980 part of the system that didn't have to you know be born into it or work to become part of it

01:05:49.660 because the pathway before used to be the legions if you serve for 25 years then you could earn

01:05:55.740 citizenship for yourself and your family now it's just given to everyone so one of the causes you

01:06:01.400 start to see is you see less men and less enlisting in the legions because if they're just going to

01:06:07.980 get citizenship well why die for it right doesn't make any sense so it does vastly change the way

01:06:14.380 the system works and i think that's a really interesting thing to look at in a postscript

01:06:18.940 because if we were to make a move like that,

01:06:22.180 it would be worse than what we're already dealing with.

01:06:25.160 Well, to some extent, yeah,

01:06:26.680 but we could use either of those methods.

01:06:28.120 Right now, people can come over and become citizens at no cost.

01:06:33.020 Surely we should have that dual citizenship of

01:06:35.140 you can become a citizen in the terms of 0.96

01:06:37.340 you can pay into the system,

01:06:39.980 certainly before taking out of the system,

01:06:41.960 which is a problem we have in Britain,

01:06:43.200 but you don't get to vote.

01:06:44.360 You don't get to change the system.

01:06:46.040 That would be nice.

01:06:46.800 but also the idea of people coming over and having to join the armed forces or some kind

01:06:51.820 of community service, some kind of national service before they become a citizen. Either

01:06:55.260 of those options could work for us. No, I agree. And I think the thing I want to mention is I'm not

01:07:01.420 knocking the idea of people coming from other places and becoming American citizens. My family

01:07:07.000 did not come over on the Mayflower, right? We are immigrants from different parts of Europe,

01:07:12.720 actually in my mom's side, mainly Scotland, but I think there's a pathway to do it legally,

01:07:17.960 right? There's a program you go through and you have to know about the country you're living in.

01:07:22.680 You have to really value that citizenship and pass a test in order to do it. I think the problem

01:07:27.820 I'm concerned about is something like this. It's more of a mass amnesty, right? Everybody that's

01:07:32.900 already here, these dreamers and these other individuals, guess what? You can stay and it's

01:07:36.940 okay. Well, that's a real concern to me if we start giving out mass citizenship as an amnesty. 0.74

01:07:40.940 That's what Biden did.

01:07:41.700 Yeah.

01:07:42.720 Yeah, I think the programs that exist, you know, before this time period, there was a pathway to citizenship for people that came here, they lived here for 10 or 15 years, they did the correct route, they paid taxes, they participated, whatever it might be. But I think to me, mass amnesty scares me.

01:07:57.220 Right. We have a problem in Britain in that we have too many people from other places living in our country. So we're looking at mass deportation now. We're looking at re-migration. But I still think we should address the issue of people who do gain citizenship shouldn't be of the same class of citizenship as the heritage Brits or the heritage Americans. I have no problem with a dual class system. I think it's probably preferable. 1.00

01:08:19.540 well i think when you look at it as well it's the reason that you know the 14th amendment doesn't

01:08:24.980 permit somebody to run for president that you know wasn't born in america because i think and

01:08:29.860 there's been debates what that means can you be born on a military base can one of your parents

01:08:33.460 be american whatever it might be but i think there's a reason that our founding fathers saw

01:08:37.540 that because they want someone to have what is the vision of this place you know what is the vision

01:08:43.380 of this civilization and i think when we start to lose that we start to lose our common identity

01:08:48.820 And that's when you start to lose a civilization is when that common identity is gone.

01:08:52.880 Because you even look at the enclaves we have in Michigan and other places like that starting

01:08:56.640 to break away where they have their own police forces.

01:08:59.160 They don't really participate in government the way, what was it, what Ilhan Omar was

01:09:07.900 talking about Somalia in a way that it sounds like she lives there and not in Michigan.

01:09:12.040 So I think that becomes a real problem to me.

01:09:14.880 Absolutely. 1.00

01:09:15.520 And Kenyans shouldn't be able to run for office in America. 1.00

01:09:18.340 That's common sense, right? 1.00

01:09:20.240 Well, that may or may not have already happened.

01:09:23.040 I don't know who he asked.

01:09:24.280 I could not possibly comment.

01:09:25.480 Jerome Corsi begs to differ.

01:09:28.160 But, I mean, it makes sense.

01:09:29.300 I keep saying that, I've said this several times on the show in the past,

01:09:32.140 that I don't understand why that's not the case for all elected positions in America.

01:09:36.820 I agree.

01:09:37.740 Well, I also think for elected positions, at least in American government, 1.00

01:09:41.020 you shouldn't be able to hold dual citizenship. 1.00

01:09:43.020 Because I think that also divides your loyalty, right?

01:09:45.540 If you are serving in America, representing Americans, well, you shouldn't have loyalty to another place. 0.97

01:09:51.520 I don't have a problem with dual citizens, but just not serving in a political position where you're representing other people. 0.98

01:09:55.820 Yeah. Those dual loyalties are becoming more and more prevalent at the moment without getting too much into that.

01:10:02.540 I saw you were on with Roger Stone recently, and there was a conversation that alluded to shadowy powers who may or may not have killed JFK.

01:10:11.720 So the question here is, where does the true power lie in this republic?

01:10:16.600 So I think that, so that conversation with Roger Stone was actually about three years ago.

01:10:20.040 We just republished it on my history channel, but shout out to Roger because it was an incredibly

01:10:24.540 good conversation. I think when you look at it, the real power in this country lies with

01:10:30.020 intelligence agencies and government apparatuses. It's become less about people and more about

01:10:34.980 systems. And systems tend to eat those that don't agree with them, right? You look at

01:10:39.460 the multiple assassination attempts we've had on Trump. You look at, you know, people that have

01:10:45.160 been chewed up through the justice system, whatever it might be. In Rome, the power started

01:10:50.720 to be less about the emperor, and it started to be more about the people behind him, the Praetorian

01:10:54.160 Guard. And if you take the Praetorian Guard, it's kind of like a combination of the intelligence

01:10:59.300 network and the secret service. And if you look at that, I really think it is mainly intelligence

01:11:05.580 agencies and those systems that control this country. And I think even if you look at Tulsi

01:11:11.600 Gabbard and the difficulty that she had, you know, controlling both the CIA and the FBI, because

01:11:18.300 they really tried to push her out. Or you look at what happened with

01:11:21.900 the Epstein files, right? You know, they were on the desk and they weren't on the desk. I know

01:11:28.560 that wasn't Tulsi Gabbard, but if you look at it, they were on the desk and they weren't on the desk.

01:11:31.300 And so I think when you look at it, they are really the ones that control the wheels of power.

01:11:36.500 And I think if you look at somebody like JFK, the intelligence agencies would take out people

01:11:41.300 that they don't want in a certain position because they're actually pushing back too hard.

01:11:44.740 Because if you look at Trump, even after the assassination attempts, it does seem like he's

01:11:50.220 lost a little bit of that push he had, right? Like he doesn't seem to be that same type of guy.

01:11:55.940 He's kind of walking in some ways a little bit more like a neocon. And I think that's what happens

01:12:00.800 with those intelligence powers if you push too hard.

01:12:03.860 Well, once the intelligence powers become bigger than the executive, or once the praetorian

01:12:07.420 becomes bigger than the emperor, what can you do about it?

01:12:10.460 Well, the praetorian prefect was the most powerful man in Rome. That was the person

01:12:13.740 that led the praetorian guard. And the praetorian guard killed somewhere around that we could

01:12:18.540 confirm 17 emperors, likely a lot more than that. So I think when the power behind the power

01:12:24.580 isn't happy with the perceived power, they're going to remove it. And I think we see that in

01:12:30.100 numerous political positions because you even see someone who was a very protected individual like

01:12:35.880 Eric Swalwell go down. You know, he was very much a wheel of the state. Why would he lose power? Well,

01:12:40.680 he likely didn't do something he was supposed to do or what was expected of him by the system.

01:12:45.080 And I think really that's what you look at. But is there a solution to it? Did they ever solve it?

01:12:51.660 They never solved it. I think that's the problem. Well, I guess in the Western empire,

01:12:56.100 didn't solve it constantine actually disbanded it so constantine is going to disband the praetorian

01:13:01.780 guard and actually um you know remove the guys from the castro praetoria which is where the

01:13:06.500 praetorian guard would would have their headquarters so another reason maybe the east survives is they

01:13:11.940 didn't have a praetorian guard anymore so um this could disband the cia and the fbi

01:13:18.660 i think it would be a right way to go because do we really need them you know do we really need

01:13:22.420 them. Because you even look at, how many years ago was it that Tucker did a whole segment on

01:13:28.620 the number of these people that the FBI catches that it turns out they had something to do with

01:13:34.140 it? You remember the attempt on Whitmer in Michigan? And it turned out like half the guys

01:13:39.380 were actually in the FBI that were working the thing. So to me, I think that might be the only

01:13:46.680 pathway. Okay. Tell me a little bit about the propaganda tools that were used by the Roman

01:13:51.040 empire and uh if there are any parallels there well i think one of the biggest one is coinage

01:13:56.480 because coins are something that people use every single day and it was a lot more tactile for

01:14:02.960 romans because it was something they were using in their daily life and it wasn't just you know

01:14:06.560 they're using a computer like we are and they aren't ever seeing their money so the the pictures

01:14:10.640 on coins were very very important you know you could actually tell how weak an emperor was by

01:14:16.080 how strong the imagery he used was. If you even look at the first Emperor Augustus, he used

01:14:23.360 statues as a big part, a big point of propaganda. And all his statues locked him about age 30 years

01:14:29.440 old. He looked like he never got older, though in old age, he wasn't doing so well. So I think

01:14:33.920 that's a key thing is when you want to show someone being powerful, you don't want to really

01:14:41.560 allow for devaluing in a lot of ways. And that's what Romans actually did in the coins they used,

01:14:46.980 the statues they used, even tying themselves to divine beings. Julius Caesar tried to tie his

01:14:54.340 family tree into the goddess Venus. And that would be something that somebody wanting to

01:15:00.100 show they're powerful would do. Well, of course I'm powerful. I'm related to a god. After Caesar

01:15:05.220 dies, Augustus, when he's having the funeral games for Julius Caesar, there's a comet that

01:15:11.720 goes across the sky. And he tells people that's actually Caesar taking his place with the gods.

01:15:16.840 And here's something interesting, right? If your stepfather is a god, well, what does that make

01:15:20.820 you? So I think these are really important things for people to understand of how this actually

01:15:26.100 happens. It really is a lot of PR and positioning in a lot of ways. Yeah, I mean, you can clearly

01:15:29.880 see parallels between this augustus cult and the social media influencer kind of propaganda and

01:15:37.640 even not just social media influencers even the president himself this idea that he's the

01:15:41.160 strongest president ever the fittest president ever the most healthiest and you can i mean

01:15:45.080 tremendous right but your eyes tell you one thing but the story tells you something else

01:15:50.080 correct and i think i think that's the real issue and and if you look at it as well

01:15:55.440 especially in the roman empire to ever doubt that was something that would put your life at risk

01:16:01.540 right and i think that's what you have to really worry about is when you start to push back against

01:16:05.660 propaganda we've seen this even a lot of the things coming out on social media in the last

01:16:09.820 few years what happens people start to get banned they start to get removed their livelihoods start

01:16:13.320 to get changed or start to get destroyed so those you know maybe they're not being outwardly killed

01:16:18.340 but they're being removed from society in a way that they can actually be productive well that's

01:16:22.300 that's a very scary form of it. Well, we've seen a lot of threats and parallels between the Roman

01:16:28.500 Empire and the modern American Empire. We've seen a lot of downfalls, parallels there. Give us some

01:16:34.260 hope. What positive parallels do we see? What good fruits can we take from the Roman Empire?

01:16:40.300 Well, I think the first big thing is currency. We mentioned what Constantine did of actually

01:16:45.500 getting the East on a gold standard. I don't know if we can get on a gold standard with just how

01:16:50.820 things are with the federal reserve and we've been off of it since since 1970 but i think if

01:16:55.080 we can start to handle currency that gives us a little bit of hope and buys us a little bit more

01:16:58.220 time the other thing that i'm actually really encouraged about calvin is there's been a

01:17:04.400 spiritual awakening in the last several years and i think people looked into the darkness of evil

01:17:08.680 which was the pandemic and they started to believe right because they started to wake up

01:17:13.580 so i think to me seeing the number of people that you see going to mass and seeing the number of

01:17:18.700 people that you see taking care of their families and getting involved in their local communities

01:17:22.640 and homeschooling my whole i live in a lake here and it's like half the lake actually homeschools

01:17:27.160 their kids so to me that which which we do as well so i think to me you see some of these signs

01:17:32.940 and that's actually really hopeful because you see people taking responsibility on the micro level

01:17:38.060 and you know over the years i i've talked to various people on my podcast and other places

01:17:44.920 about the this type of subject and when i asked colonel douglas mcgregor about this when i asked

01:17:49.960 general mike flynn about this like what can the regular person do to not feel worthless and it's

01:17:54.840 getting in charge in into in into your church getting involved in your local community taking

01:17:59.960 care of your neighbor you know the simple thing like when a new person moves in are you making

01:18:04.280 them brownies and taking over their house and starting to create a community and when you

01:18:07.800 actually start to take responsibility on a local level and everybody starts to do that well that 0.91

01:18:13.960 actually starts to change things. I think most people think national politics is everything,

01:18:17.760 and most of the time it's not. It's what are you doing in your local place? And if that scales,

01:18:22.960 we can actually affect the world in a positive way. So true. This is how we reclaim Christendom.

01:18:27.240 This is how we restore the patriarchy on a micro level, on an individual family unit basis, 0.99

01:18:32.840 because society has become effeminate and pretty gay, to be honest with you. But the patriarchy 0.99

01:18:38.020 wasn't necessarily... Bacon gay. Yeah. The patriarchy wasn't destroyed, though. It was 0.98

01:18:41.500 transferred from the men to the state the state has become a patriarch and so we need to reclaim

01:18:46.520 that and give it back to the men or take it back as men well and i think that's what it is because

01:18:51.580 you have a populace that doesn't want to be responsible for their own success or failure

01:18:55.700 and if you look at it that is actually the only way to change everything is once responsibility

01:19:00.520 comes back on you and you start to do something about that that is how things actually do well

01:19:04.580 what what is that what is the trope hard men make good times good good men uh good times make soft

01:19:10.200 men and then soft men make hard times and hard times make hard men yeah and we're definitely

01:19:16.360 on that cycle right now um jeremy before we wrap up where can people find out more about you where

01:19:21.160 can they watch or view your works where should they subscribe to you yeah so i'm at jeremy

01:19:27.000 ryan slate everywhere um i have two different youtube channels one is called hidden forces in

01:19:31.200 history we just we look at the power structures behind recorded history the other is called the

01:19:36.140 Roman pattern where we take a look at, you know, the civilizational collapse using Rome as the

01:19:41.420 case model. My company is called Command Your Brand. And since 2016, we've been helping our

01:19:46.260 clients get on some great podcasts. I love it. Keep doing the work you're doing. You're fighting

01:19:49.940 a good fight in a way of giving people knowledge that they should already have, but encouraging

01:19:55.300 people to fight through what we've already done in the past. That's a good tool set you've got

01:19:58.840 there, Jeremy. Thank you for what you do. Oh, thanks for having me. God bless you.

01:20:02.560 and before we get to the next section let's pause to say the grace together the grace of our lord

01:20:07.680 jesus christ and the love of god and the fellowship of the holy ghost be with us all ever more

01:20:13.300 amen now i want to look at the comments that you guys left on the episode with lauren chen

01:20:18.940 and the reverend brett murphy and i haven't haven't pre-fielded these so this could be wild

01:20:24.260 sanctum anima christie said we traded a high trust society for a failed melting pot ideology

01:20:32.820 that's why the people want their societies back he's not wrong we did trade a homogenous high

01:20:39.780 trust society for a failed melting pot we were promised all kinds of great things what's

01:20:44.280 interesting to me is that when we look at britain we can pinpoint exactly when this happened well

01:20:47.920 two points we know from the 1950s there was some immigration from the commonwealth or from the

01:20:52.980 former colonies. But from 1997, it was an active government policy to have mass migration. I wonder

01:20:58.900 why a similar thing happened at a similar time here in America too. It's fascinating. There must

01:21:03.460 have been some collusion. I know that Tony Blair worked very closely with Bill Clinton over here.

01:21:08.740 In fact, he trained under him. So perhaps they shared an ideology. Absolute Truth 66 had pattern

01:21:15.320 recognition. It's everywhere. People need to up their pattern recognition. It's the only way to

01:21:20.800 stay alert to what's happening. Haywood Jablomi said, Ireland, show us the way. Indeed, the Irish

01:21:26.520 are fighters, and we could do a bit of their fighting spirit. G Funk, step to this, step to

01:21:36.880 this, says, how dare you call us violent immediately, threatens violence. Indeed, indeed.

01:21:42.960 Commie P.R. Russo said, they hate those with purpose and strength. Yeah, and it's the duty of

01:21:49.380 every man to be as strong as possible but restrain that strength like to be dangerous to be feared 0.86

01:21:55.840 that is the job of a man it is no good to be a cowardly weakling uh thomas jorge said canon

01:22:04.820 murphy's mustache is giving off that george the fifth vibe yeah i tried to grow one like that 0.95

01:22:11.080 it just didn't work bnuc said god bless you father god bless you bnuc colette said i love

01:22:19.040 our brother, Reverend Brett. He is a fantastic shepherd and so funny. He is a good man. He is.

01:22:24.660 Salto Paul X said, we have the Eucharist in Protestant churches. Not often enough, but

01:22:29.900 yeah, it's not the Eucharist. Unless there's apostolic succession, there are no valid

01:22:33.880 sacraments. So it's not actually the body and blood of Christ, unfortunately, which is why we

01:22:37.940 need, why apostolic churches are so important. And just on that note that Collet pointed out

01:22:44.220 as well it's like rev brett murphy has been a brother of mine for years we don't agree on

01:22:48.780 everything but that's all right and we we still try to see the christ in each other and i want

01:22:52.820 to model that i want more people to do that uh hot wheels king says they are not capable they

01:22:59.400 lack the mental capacity we we are not all the same you can't expect them to participate in or

01:23:05.400 contribute to modern society yeah i'm not bothered about modern society but society and civilization 0.99

01:23:10.280 um not all cultures are civilized absolutely correct and so it's we off the fools for

01:23:16.740 expecting them to be able to contribute and participate in the same way uh and it's that

01:23:21.400 it's that liberal mentality if we're nice enough they'll become nice it's like it's not about

01:23:24.720 niceness and actually that's that's a fallacy anyway um there are ways to assimilate and

01:23:30.320 integrate and that takes generations and it can't be done overnight so to expect a mass of people

01:23:36.720 coming into our country to assimilate and integrate overnight is again foolishness but then you have

01:23:42.380 to ask the question is this part of the design or is it is it a bug or is it a feature goy soldier

01:23:48.060 1776 said this channel is criminally underrated god bless absolutely it is criminally underrated

01:23:53.380 thank you help promote it share it like follow subscribe and spread it around

01:23:58.580 colette said fantastic episode again thank you god bless

01:24:02.560 william carson said let let's ask why the police are requiring eighty thousand dollars for a debate

01:24:09.360 security security whom would that be for i wonder there's a good question why were they so keen to

01:24:15.780 have so much security for the oxford union debate well because they know what a bunch of wild 1.00

01:24:20.020 mohammedans are capable of and that's what they're afraid of yeah we know the lefties will turn up 1.00

01:24:23.900 and vandalize because that's what they do but the mohammedans will turn up and be violent because 1.00

01:24:27.900 that's what they do. David Boyer said, I have personally seen this firsthand as a white man 1.00

01:24:36.080 working in other countries. Tiberius said the broken window rule enforced discipline on small

01:24:43.160 crimes and this reduces the evolution to larger crimes. It's called a social discipline. 100%

01:24:49.300 from my time in leading schools and in education, I can tell you sweat the small stuff you don't get

01:24:54.880 to the big stuff. Some state schools I walked into, and you could see kids in the playground

01:24:58.500 with chairs above their heads ready to hit other kids with. It's insane. Whereas other schools,

01:25:03.620 they make sure their uniform is tucked in, and their socks are pulled up, and their tie is done

01:25:07.640 up properly. And people look at that and say, oh, how can you focus on that? Why is that important?

01:25:12.100 That's important for that very reason, because we don't want kids hitting other kids with chairs.

01:25:15.540 If you really get the discipline down on the incredibly small stuff, that's the stuff that

01:25:20.000 they're focused on they never get to the big stuff because the punishment level escalates so so

01:25:25.940 rapidly which it just doesn't happen in schools with no discipline and all that could have been

01:25:33.920 9175 said tommy robinson is far right just seems like far due to me that's a bit rude he is uh he's

01:25:41.360 not far right he is a zionist but he's not far right uh he's a he's a decent chap but again we

01:25:46.780 disagree on the issue of israel but we need to bring people around to that and calling them

01:25:50.240 names isn't necessarily going to help reason ting love resonating love said great video thank you

01:25:59.000 resonating love i wish people would capitalize their names uh dime pan o'connell said we are

01:26:08.460 we in the west took our christianity for granted it was always there so we lived within it and

01:26:15.080 stopped participating in it, stopped teaching it to our children. That made it so easy for

01:26:20.680 our enemies to infiltrate our communities and particularly our schools. That is their way.

01:26:27.000 Get young minds, turn them away from our religion, our beliefs, our morals and our culture.

01:26:35.000 We the parents thought our Christianity was unshakable and we were wrong. And this person

01:26:41.080 goes on very good comment ending with christ is king but it's spot on in that we took it for

01:26:46.660 granted and we we still take it for granted we take for granted this this society this

01:26:50.420 civilization that we live in think we will always have this it's not a given and actually it's it's

01:26:55.140 been on a downward trajectory for years we are plummeting into regress rather than progress

01:27:00.600 and people don't always see it until it's too late or until something negative happens and so

01:27:06.360 it's important to reflect on what we do have and how we can protect it and preserve it and what

01:27:10.700 we don't have any longer and how we can return to it d18 charlie said please show me where this

01:27:16.300 where scripture there we go differentiates and distinguishes bishop and presbyter

01:27:20.740 all the ranks and orders you see would really help bless you so the scriptures i went through

01:27:28.340 a whole monologue on this but the scriptures differentiate in in that certain people are

01:27:33.060 called presbyter certain people are called episkopos and sometimes there's crossover

01:27:37.120 especially in the early days but remember that a bishop is also a priest and a deacon

01:27:41.480 but also there was the settling of the language so it wasn't as firm and structured as it is now

01:27:46.280 that took time to get to that order but but the start of the question represents the problem in

01:27:51.640 that please show me the scriptures where like our faith isn't built upon just what's in this

01:27:57.220 little book this little book contains great stuff it contains revelation but not the whole of it

01:28:01.820 like we we pass on our knowledge through the church through sacred tradition through the

01:28:06.960 teachings of the church and the church teachers of the threefold ministry of holy orders deacon

01:28:13.120 presbyter bishop and that is a good thing and it's hierarchical as heaven is hierarchical and

01:28:18.800 it's good ordered from god's good order and therefore we follow it as it's always been

01:28:22.660 followed but there is there's not a page that says okay so now you're a deacon and then you

01:28:27.580 get ordained to become a priest and then you have to serve in a parish of this size that's not how

01:28:32.320 this works so to ask that kind of question misunderstands a lot about the faith uh christ

01:28:38.100 seven seven said whoa sean osborne said oh boy sure smokes a cigar a bit odd and holds it kind

01:28:45.680 of funny also okay thanks all thanks all boy jack said pray absolutely uh david said excellent as

01:28:53.320 always, Calvin. Thank you, David. Appreciate that. Let's see what else have we got here.

01:29:01.600 Mark Schmitz, autist, said Elsie should shut up about the Farrah case. She wasn't even named

01:29:12.540 in the indictment. She was either reckless or treacherous and is quite lucky she didn't face

01:29:18.000 any actual consequences many others tangential to the war suddenly stop posting with no warning

01:29:24.400 i don't know what that's about mark but it seems quite uh aggressive i don't even remember

01:29:29.980 addressing that case in the show uh the lewis smith said the gospel of salvation in and faith

01:29:36.980 is bs the bible is racist racism is not xenophobia racism is feed my people not hatred of other

01:29:45.320 I don't know where this is going this seems like a ramble but you having in-group preference is not

01:29:53.080 a bad thing I wouldn't use the word racist because racist tends to have a negative connotation that

01:29:59.420 there's a hatred or discrimination of other people of other faiths and discrimination isn't inherently

01:30:05.560 bad but the hatred is racism is not the word I'd use but I would say that we we certainly can be

01:30:13.980 and should be patriotic which is a piety we should love our nation before other nations we

01:30:20.840 should love our family before other families we should love our people before other people that

01:30:24.160 isn't racist i would say that's good that's ordered sean holland said i didn't click this

01:30:32.260 video to be hit with an ad in the first five minutes uh okay fair enough but uh someone has

01:30:39.080 to pay to keep the lights on like the cameras don't pay for themselves the editors and producers

01:30:42.920 don't pay for themselves like something has to you know that's how business works this isn't done

01:30:49.460 for free you know i give my time and other people give their time but other things do need paying

01:30:56.100 for and so the ads cover those expenses i'm sorry that's just life you know i don't i'm not socialist

01:31:01.880 i don't believe in this idea that everything is free and everyone is entitled to everything for

01:31:05.080 free including like things that you enjoy such as entertainment and the information like nothing in

01:31:10.780 this world is free. Someone has to work for it. So I think ads are a better way than having a

01:31:15.920 paywall. I don't like the idea of, he says, I need to turn this channel to Daily Wire and I'll

01:31:20.760 ditch you in five seconds. I'm getting the itch. If you don't want to watch our content, no one's

01:31:25.240 forcing you to watch our content. I like that people watch our content and we try to produce

01:31:28.640 good content, but we try to put it out there for free. And the only way to do it for free is that

01:31:33.300 someone has to pay and that is the advertisers. So the advertisers pay and therefore we show

01:31:37.560 their advertisements. The other way to produce content like this is to have a paywall, which

01:31:41.700 means the audience has to pay in order to see the content. I don't like that model as much as this

01:31:46.520 model, but, you know, each to their own. Horses for courses. I'd love to see how you produce your

01:31:50.260 content, Sean. Mr. Fahrenheit said, well, you might want to rethink your position regarding

01:31:55.260 calling somebody pastor or not. There are those you call Protestants who are actually ordained to

01:32:01.060 teach, who are ordained to preside over the sacraments, and who have ordination through

01:32:04.580 apostolic succession uh no that's not true there's no apostolic succession in protestantism

01:32:09.340 um protestantism has a lack of apostolic succession and therefore has no sacraments

01:32:14.220 and therefore i won't be calling protestants pastors uh if people are in apostolic churches

01:32:19.300 such as catholic or orthodox uh an old catholic and even some um anglicans uh have apostolic

01:32:27.260 succession great happy to call them father uh or bishop or deacon but i won't be using the term

01:32:34.280 pastor for anyone that is not an ordained minister anymore and i went through the

01:32:39.320 hows and why's in my monologue but thank you for offering an alternative perspective

01:32:42.840 and oh interesting one san san francisco hey san san sorry joel i'm having a hard time

01:32:54.800 with you allowing cal allowing calvin to speak on behalf of your ministry i don't speak on behalf

01:33:00.040 for anyone's ministry but my own uh purgatory no apostolic succession except for catholic clergy

01:33:04.480 so we'll not call uh any non-roman catholic pastor uh bread and wine actually turning into

01:33:09.620 body and blood of christ etc yes this is my show and i speak for my ministry uh i share a platform

01:33:15.760 with joel and other people such as dale and we all have different uh theology actually i don't

01:33:20.160 think joel and dale even have the same tradition and that's a good thing because we all we all

01:33:24.620 recognize christ and we're sharing our tradition as best we can um if you don't like my tradition

01:33:29.160 you don't have to watch my content if you are interested in my tradition and you don't you don't

01:33:32.860 have to share my tradition you can still watch my content that is a good thing um we used to believe

01:33:37.340 in diversity of thought and opinion and maybe you'll learn a thing or two san san francisco

01:33:40.720 but uh i don't joel doesn't allow me to speak and uh i don't speak on behalf of anyone but myself

01:33:47.680 and i try to speak for for the words that my lord has taught me um but that's his uh very patronizing

01:33:54.720 or condescending attitudes there you don't we have to learn to see christ as i started this

01:34:00.740 conversation out in people that are not of our tradition i am not an eastern orthodox i recognize

01:34:06.320 the eastern orthodox as being smaller orthodox as being big part of the big c church as being

01:34:13.220 christians as being small c catholic i don't follow their tradition i'm not an eastern christian

01:34:18.780 but i appreciate their tradition and i wouldn't get upset uh if one of them was speaking about

01:34:24.120 their tradition so there's a there's an element there of security in your own beliefs like i know

01:34:29.220 the western tradition is good and ordered and and what we should be following as westerners which is

01:34:33.340 why i follow it but i don't get upset when people don't i would i would like to see everyone following

01:34:38.280 christ in some way shape or form uh nol your said a priest that smokes cigars hmm never seen that

01:34:44.900 one before uh i think these guys who're talking about the scars are talking about reverend brett

01:34:49.700 murphy i think he was smoking one on the show loads of priests smoke cigars and pipes and even

01:34:55.060 cigarettes uh loads of popes have been smokers in the past like it's not a new thing uh tobacco

01:35:03.140 has been around for a long long time and it's always been something that's been used for

01:35:08.620 meditative purposes and for reflection and for peace uh for conversation for dialogue uh

01:35:14.220 like all good things should be used in moderation you know there there's a puritanical element of

01:35:20.580 christianity particularly here in america where people say oh you can't smoke you can't drink

01:35:24.060 such and such but you know we have to remember that uh well especially when it comes to alcohol

01:35:28.040 that the first miracle our lord performed was turning water into wine for people to enjoy to

01:35:33.220 drink as a wedding like alcohol is good tobacco can be can have positive effects uh i i'm not

01:35:39.300 gonna suggest it's something that everyone has to do but if it's something that you do do

01:35:43.880 just do it in moderation and be sensible about it and i actually have here was my this was my first

01:35:52.060 piece of merch my common sense crusade pipe with a uh celtic cross on one side and sent beads cross

01:35:57.540 on the other and then i had a second round this was the church warden version of my common sense

01:36:03.460 crusade pipe and these were limited edition produced by the catholic pipe company very good

01:36:09.380 man over there, Caleb, greater to his, he's a master of creating pipes and his sons help

01:36:16.700 him in the workshop. It's this great Christian company that I like to support. But yeah,

01:36:20.680 I enjoy smoking with my congregation and with my fellow priests and it's a good way to sit

01:36:25.940 around and talk about theology. It's a good way to organize a men's group and I will continue

01:36:30.080 to do so. But that's not me encouraging you to do so. That's just me saying I like doing

01:36:34.340 it. Thank you. That is it for the comments from this week. We'll address your comments

01:36:38.580 from this week's episode in a future episode so do leave comments and feedback positive and

01:36:43.020 negative uh i like to jump into it i don't mind a bit of a challenge but yeah give us your

01:36:48.140 encouragement and give us your challenge so let's end with a closing prayer in the name of the father

01:36:53.420 and of the son and of the holy spirit amen grant we pray almighty god that as we believe your only

01:37:01.520 begotten son our lord jesus christ to have ascended into heaven so we may also in heart and mind

01:37:08.520 there ascend and with him continually dwell who lives and reigns with you and the holy spirit

01:37:14.220 one god forever and ever amen in the name of the father and of the son and of the holy spirit amen

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The Next Crusade - ＂Call No Man Father＂？ Fr Calvin Robinson responds

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