00:16:50.420They needed the certainty, the moral certainty
00:16:53.220that the crusades that some of them were on were the right ones.
00:17:00.080So, I mean, around the turn of the century and shortly afterwards,
00:17:03.540I think that's when I started noticing this word denier getting used.
00:17:07.500And it's an allusion to the Holocaust, of course.
00:17:12.240It's a word for a heretic, isn't it? You're outside of the orthodoxy.0.83
00:17:16.100Yeah, and it's the deepest moral condemnation that a secular religion can come up with
00:17:22.720that you deny this historical evil by comparison.
00:17:28.960And the logic of the argument when they were trying to rationalise it
00:17:33.220was that by denying climate change, you're preventing the policies
00:17:37.980that will prevent millions and millions, perhaps billions, of deaths.
00:17:41.960And you only have to look at someone like Roger Hallam on BBC News,
00:17:46.820for example, that he's talking about billions of deaths
00:17:50.140by the end of the 2020s you know if we don't solve this problem you know a man very clearly
00:17:55.980gripped by religious fever whether or not he actually believes it you know he's kind of
00:18:03.180quite a messianic character i've done parts on pieces on him in the past he is very much a cult0.95
00:18:09.260leader you know the stories he tells people that your parents will be bent over the table and raped
00:18:13.580with with chair legs and like he goes very deep into what will happen in this climate crisis
00:18:18.220to terrify people into following his cult yeah and i've i've debated with him and he's i wouldn't
00:18:24.140say he's charming but he's got it he's got a way about him that's sort of quite invasive and and
00:18:29.420slippery that that makes it you know he'll he'll agree with you about alarmism and then he'll go
00:18:35.500on and be an alarmist he'll go and say the most alarmist things so it's quite it's quite they're
00:18:40.140quite always quite tricky so so um i i think i i think there are many reasons why debate has become
00:18:46.860verboten as it were um and i i think to find one would probably be quite tricky but you know we
00:18:54.140don't have to look very far beyond the green movement to find areas of life in which debate
00:18:59.660or opinions are are are you know uh prohibited the trans stuff the racial racial and and gender
00:19:08.940uh stuff alike is is you know you're not allowed to have opinions on that stuff so
00:19:13.500So I thought that we were kind of the first to be cancelled climate change deniers and climate change sceptics.
00:19:21.060And in some senses, the climate debate in the 2000s and early 2010s were dress rehearsals for cancellations that were produced by the social justice warriors and the woke lot that subsequently.
00:19:34.380So I think that people like me probably were sort of a bit too preoccupied with climate and didn't really see that this was a much broader sweeping social change that was happening.
00:19:49.020That's interesting. I hadn't considered that.
00:19:50.600So the same mechanisms that were used to call people climate deniers is the same mechanism they're using, well, they were using through BLM, they have used through COVID.
00:20:01.660but what do you think the motivations are or is it multiple motivations because when I look at
00:20:06.640this from the outside I see there's genuine belief so people on the ground that the 20 year old
00:20:11.920white liberal women who get all upset about the climate crisis I see genuine belief in them they're
00:20:17.220following a cult and then the people like Boris Johnson and Stanley Johnson I see I see two
00:20:23.080different motivations I see in Boris I see power I see people that want to control other people's
00:20:29.100lives and in his father i see profit when i see how much money they're making out of this what i
00:20:34.160would call the green scam of moving people away from one system of power to another system of
00:20:39.560power and people are making so much money in the middle like what do you think is is behind all of
00:20:45.040this is it belief is it power is it profit is all three it's definitely all three and i divide those
00:20:50.300two that's a really sharp observational thing and i divide them into establishment environmentalists
00:21:43.040They're certainly not working class, let's put it that way.
00:21:46.260And they're often quite, you know, it's almost a hobby for them, a lot of them.
00:21:51.300But that's not to say those convictions aren't real.
00:21:53.980But they are from a class, often a dysfunctional end of a class that's probably got no real position in society in the way that it did have 50, maybe 100, and certainly before that years ago.
00:22:09.420So I think the broader change for the people with more power is, as we've seen with the sort of processes of globalization and the organizations and institutions of globalization.
00:22:28.160And I never want to put too much emphasis on the WEF because there are what I would say about them is that there's a number of them.
00:22:36.460There's, you know, at least a dozen, maybe two dozen sort of equivalent organizations.
00:22:40.780But the way I liken it is to something of a unsupervised school disco in a small town, which mysteriously a couple of months later, there's an outbreak of chlamydia or some such thing.
00:22:53.720These are socially transmitted, ideology is socially transmitted disease in that sense.
00:22:59.340And so they pick it up from each other.
00:23:03.080They don't, and as a class, the political class, that is to say, they don't really like the hoi polloi.
00:23:09.540They don't like, they don't really like the ordinary business of politics.
00:23:13.940They don't like the bin collections.0.95
00:23:15.600They don't like the management of roads and so on and so forth.
00:23:17.900They're really happy if they're serving some global agenda.
00:23:22.900And that's been put on a plate for them by those other more powerful interests, the ones you identified, you know, those who would sort of fund a lot of the blob.
00:23:35.960We might look at Michael Bloomberg, George Soros comes up a lot, Bill Gates, Christopher Hone, who's our own British billionaire, and the British-American billionaire, Jeremy Grantham.
00:23:46.560So they put a huge amount of money through these organizations. One sort of philanthropic
00:23:54.240organization that funds the global climate agenda or puts money through these organizations
00:24:04.800estimates $13 billion a year, and that's a few years ago. That was their estimate then
00:24:09.840of philanthropy, let's do the air quotes, goes to organizations, some of which are like Extinction
00:24:17.420Rebellion, some of which are kind of quite anonymous. A lot of them get founded just for
00:24:22.360sort of special purposes. So, and in my attempts to sort of survey these, and a lot of this stuff
00:24:29.140is not, you know, very easy to obtain. You have to do it very, very slowly. You have to read their
00:24:35.060annual reports you have to sort of work out how much is going from who um and to whom for what
00:24:41.040and when um quite slowly it's very difficult to investigate any anyhow one one the british
00:24:47.020billionaire christopher home for example puts more than a quarter of a billion dollars into
00:24:52.660green organizations each year it's just one guy and that's more than is the spend of all political
00:24:59.900parties active in the uk combined so it's a huge huge powerful lobbying effort and um a lot of
00:25:08.460greens might sort of interject at that point and say yeah but big oil bill oil's got you know this
00:25:12.780sort of balance sheet of trillions of dollars each year um uh but that's that i mean that might be
00:25:18.220true but they're buying metal with it they're not using it as pr and then a lot of the also
00:25:24.140this crossover as well ben i i found a trace of big oil money going to a person you mentioned
00:25:28.620earlier roger hallam who is the founder of extinction rebellion just stop oil animal
00:25:33.020rebellion instillate britain and the burning pink party like these tendrils get everywhere
00:25:37.740but the big money doesn't just come from one side i think i think it is all on their side
00:25:43.180um i mean i think i think that there's been occasions where i think the sierra club
00:25:47.740which is a very large uh green ngo in the us um was found to have been taking money i think from
00:25:54.620from, I forget the actual dimensions, but there was a, you know, it was either a coal company
00:26:01.360seeking to sort of diminish nuclear or gas, or a gas, you know, gas interest seeking to diminish
00:26:08.440nuclear and coal. One of the, it doesn't really matter. But it's kind of, that's kind of quite
00:26:14.160similar to the revelation that we've had recently about the Southern Poverty Law Center funding0.57
00:26:18.900neo-nazi campaign so it's um it's all very mysterious but the the green's um attempts to
00:26:26.240find um big oil money funding the likes of me um just fall flat on their face they're pure
00:26:33.600conjecture and they'll in britain that that will all invariably involve um uh hyperbolic statements
00:26:42.280about the extent to which tufton street is involved in policy making britain i've spent a
00:26:48.600lot of time down tufton street it is all it's a fallacy this whole who funds you is a fallacy
00:26:54.960because it suggests that you can't care about a cause unless you're funded by someone which
00:26:58.960actually i think is projection on their part because they're often funded by other interests
00:27:03.580but you mentioned the world economic forum i've attended the world economic forum and i
00:27:07.100i verify what you say it isn't you know they're not policy making they're not actually that smart0.94
00:27:12.000it's just lots of back patting just lots of uh social cohesion picking up foolish people picking
00:27:18.180up foolish ideas but the UN is different the UN does create policy and that is pushed upon most
00:27:24.140of us including Great Britain you know there's the climate agenda 2030 there's also the Paris0.58
00:27:28.980agreement can you talk us through a little bit of that and how it comes how that is top down
00:27:32.700yeah well I think I think in many sense what you're saying is that the the sort of billionaire
00:27:37.420clubs if you like were sort of organized in in in a way to try and speed up the UN processes
00:35:44.340where people stop dying before they're five on average,
00:35:48.120and they start living until they're 40s, 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s.
00:35:52.980Things were going right before the Greens turned up and said,
00:35:56.820well, no, we have to have this kind of diet.0.57
00:35:58.640we have to manage society in this way. And I hear quite often when I sort of read or hear or read
00:36:06.560these kind of global policy walks about, oh, you know, well, how are we going to feed nine or 10
00:36:12.840billion people? And I'm always struck by that, because I think 10 billion people are actually
00:36:19.540all very capable of feeding themselves. They always were. That's what people did. Before there
00:36:26.220was government yeah there was there was there were there were markets you know where people
00:36:32.000who had too many oranges swap them for some beef and so on and so forth and and and um but that
00:36:38.560question tells you a lot doesn't it about their thought process how are we going to feed these
00:36:42.000people yeah like we we belong to them and that we are infanticized and they they have to somehow
00:36:47.180they are they are our caregivers yeah yeah and they're the overseers of all all of this stuff
00:36:53.860and then and of course that it's it's very cynical it's it's it's it's how they're going
00:36:59.700to manage it in their own interests um on the assumption that global society is too complex
00:37:07.020for the participants in markets or global any part of global society is is too difficult for
00:37:13.800for those people to manage for themselves um you know this idea of complexity is is is often
00:37:20.160invokes that we can't be aware of what what is what is around us um and it creates um i think
00:37:28.260it creates a self-fulfilling prophecy that the more you take agency away from people in that
00:37:33.060respect the more you create a dependent population even to the point of being you know supplicants
00:37:38.800and and and so on um and so i'm i'm deeply suspicious of of of of that i i you know i'm
00:37:46.320I'm not I'm not necessarily making a case for total autarky at the level of family or community or even or even country, you know, where we all live some kind of Tom and Barbara good life.
00:37:59.920But there needs to be a reassertion of what we're capable of, including democratic participation, as well as making our own food and making our own decisions about what we eat.
00:43:21.320But what I think that the NGO complexes that sort of surround him and the, you know, the blobs, I guess we could say, they do seem to be very much about servicing the vanity of billionaires and, you know, who want to, you know, you go to somewhere, go around Leeds, Bradford.
00:43:41.320There's a little settlement, I suppose, at the edge of Bradford called Salt Air, which was, you know, built by this Victorian philanthropist, Salt.
00:43:56.920I think it was Methodist, so there's no pubs and things like that.
00:44:02.580There's lots of civic amenities there and stuff like that.
00:44:06.080So the industrialists of the past did used to build statues.
00:44:09.740They did also build quite nice towns. The chocolate tycoons of York is also another interesting, quite nicely set up parts of the city were founded by these tycoons.
00:44:26.380But now, you know, so this is that plus plus. This is like, you know, that squared or now that cubed. We haven't had these hyper accumulations of wealth, either in the forms of billionaires before or in the forms of hedge funds.
00:44:40.320So hedge fund managers have a lot to answer for with respect to the climate agenda or the green agenda.
00:44:49.580And so, yeah, they seem to – I mean, does Bill Gates wake up one day and think, I'm going to solve climate change?
00:45:27.540One of them does have some crazy – Christopher Hone, in fact.
00:45:31.860He's separated from his previous wife,0.84
00:45:35.300and his new wife is into past life regression.
00:45:38.260So apparently he's sort of investing quite a lot of his funds in spiritual awareness, which involves exactly past life regression.
00:45:47.320And so it's quite dubious kind of from, I think, probably from most most angles.0.99
00:45:57.440But I think I think he's just a fool.0.99
00:46:00.800I mean, I think a lot of these people are much more lucky than they are clever.0.99
00:46:04.160And I often think about it. What would it take for you to become a billionaire?
00:46:08.260And, you know, and I think of it in orders of magnitude, you've got 10, which is, you know, 10 to the power of one, 10 to the power of two, which is 100 and so on and so forth.
00:46:19.560In order to become a billionaire, you have to go through all these orders of magnitude.
00:46:23.580I mean, you have to have, like, you know, a serious level of commitment to want to accumulate that much money, either through one company or through hedge fund management and so on.
00:46:34.780um most people would have given up by by at least the million if not the 10 million going
00:46:40.880well maybe that's enough i don't i don't want to turn it into an issue of greed or anything like
00:46:45.180that but but we we it does it does raise some very difficult questions and i don't think like
00:46:51.320libertarians or capitalists can can just take their answers for granted like that's it's not
00:46:57.520enough just to say liberty rules and that's it or or you know everything is fair about the and
00:47:03.260write about the capitalist system and I don't think that sort of raising those questions
00:47:08.680necessarily makes one a full-on commie either, right? It's a tricky thing and it's new historical
00:47:19.880territory. We've never been here before. We've never had a trillionaire before and just imagine
00:47:25.240what a huge amount of resources that means someone could command. I'm not as suspicious
00:47:31.360of mask but but i i think and i think that if we had sort of more democratic governance maybe
00:47:39.560those questions wouldn't be so uh pertinent to today's today's things and maybe we're not we
00:47:44.740would be talking about green blobs we wouldn't be talking about wefs and so on and so forth
00:47:49.380well that's interesting because most of this conversation although it's a net zero conversation
00:47:53.880hasn't really been about the green agenda it's about power it always comes back to power and
00:47:58.180we've talked a lot about the technocratic authoritarianism. We've talked about the
00:48:01.940billionaires. We've talked about the governments and the blobs and the UN, all of these powers.
00:48:08.080So I suppose my final question will be, what can people do to reverse this? So you've been0.96
00:48:13.700alluding to in your tweets a lot lately that the state seems to think that we belong to it.
00:48:19.140And we used to have an understanding that the state was there to serve us. Is there a way we
00:48:23.500can through through us a regular folk is there a way that we can reverse that mentality and get
00:48:28.440back to elected representatives representing us rather than micromanaging every element of our1.00
00:48:33.160lives regardless of whether it's the green agenda covid black lives matter feminism doesn't matter0.69
00:48:37.880like how do we get our how do we get control back well i hope the answer is that we start1.00
00:48:42.300unpicking the arguments um that the other side have made and we start making them more forcefully
00:48:47.180i think we've got to resist some of the easy solutions to that now i i should probably outline
00:48:53.000why I disagree, first of all, about climate change. And very briefly, I divide the climate debate in
00:49:02.440total into five categories. And the first is global warming or global warming science,
00:49:07.560which makes sort of predictions about what CO2 will do when there's going to reach
00:49:11.720certain amounts of concentrations in the atmosphere. And from global warming, we get
00:49:16.120climate change, which is the second category. And of course, we all know what this is. This is
00:49:20.200the difference, the increase in storms, increasing rainfall, so on and so forth, all these metrics.
00:49:27.640And then we get to more tricky concepts like climate impacts.
00:49:33.920These are like the third order consequences of global warming, right?
00:49:39.800And then from impacts, they would be things like increased disease proliferation,
00:49:46.640um more floods um and and more drought and and and then these impacts influence human society
00:49:56.240which is um what we might call the climate crisis and i have the fifth which is climate policy but
00:50:02.740let's let's look at the fourth and fifth the fourth and fifth are climate impacts and climate
00:50:07.560crisis now i say that it's very it's been incredibly difficult for scientists or any
00:50:12.100kind of researchers to identify climate impacts and there is less than zero in evidence of the
00:50:18.060climate crisis. Practically all of the metrics of human welfare over the last part of the 20th
00:50:26.160century and this century are massively increasing. So there's clearly something wrong with that
00:50:33.400sequence that Greens make the case of, right, that global warming gives climate change and
00:50:40.480climate change creates climate crisis right there is manifestly an error here and I think it is
00:50:46.960ideology that sits in in in people's heads and in those arguments to that makes it a much easier
00:50:53.660bridge that just sort of links climate change immediately to climate crisis and that would be
00:50:59.380stuff like war that would be stuff like poverty and that that we know that's people people dying
00:51:05.580from extreme weather, which we can see from very clear statistics
00:51:09.300have sort of fallen by about 99% over the course of the last 100 years.
00:51:15.760So I think we need to interrogate things on that basis,
00:51:20.920not depend on expertise to do it either.
00:51:23.720I don't think you need to have a degree in climate science
00:52:01.960some shortcuts through that little bit sloppy.
00:52:04.620And I think we should sort of challenge ourselves as much as we try and challenge the other party.
00:52:10.620I think that whether or not we are successful in unpacking any of those things to reassert democracy,
00:52:18.380I think that the way things are probably going to play out is that there is going to be a crisis of their own making
00:52:24.640that forces a reflection on these things.
00:52:29.900you know, that classic shorthand, you know, soft men create hard times, hard times create,
00:52:37.360I forget the precise formulation, you know what I mean. And so I think we're going to have to,
00:52:44.760I think it will come together out of those crises. I don't think it's going to be a,
00:52:48.960you know, overwhelming, overweening crisis. I think it will be, you know, staggered and managed.
00:52:55.660Well, I hope, at least I hope so. And I hope that that will cause us some reflection and reorganisation from below rather than this dependency on above.
00:53:07.800So I hope that people would look at my stuff on this subject and with the caveat that I think that climate now is quite well established as a little bit too narrow to explain the entire phenomenon.
00:53:23.720And it was, I think, through the 2000s and 2010s, it was a very interesting lens through which to see the development of all these other ideological problems and the development of global politics and its misadventures.
00:53:39.900And I think still think there's some story in there because the green agenda is very particular.
00:53:46.540You can identify what the forces are. You can identify who the blobs are and so on and so forth.
00:53:53.320might be more difficult in other domains um but i think this is this is the approach we need don't
00:53:58.300just let's not just deny these problems let's let's and uh uh you know let's try and analytically
00:54:06.260take them apart and and and and consider and and put in its place what we think we want to get out
00:54:13.900of life so ask questions challenge the narrative challenge ourselves stop relying on experts
00:54:20.200and hope that they will listen to reason.
00:56:35.060I know you're on the ground down there in the hotbed of Mohammedanism taking over the US.1.00
00:56:40.540I keep saying on this show, they're going to start with Texas first, because if they1.00
00:56:43.820manage to take Texas, they can take anywhere.
00:56:46.180How's it feeling and looking down there to you right now?
00:56:48.800Yeah, I mean, you're absolutely right.1.00
00:56:50.680And it's actually typical of whether it's, you know, the Muslim invasion or the left.0.98
00:56:56.440I think that that's just a commonality is that they think if we can get Texas, like0.93
00:57:01.360say with the drag queen story time hours. That was happening here all over the place. And people
00:57:06.540kept saying that can't happen in Texas. And I really think that it's a common theme. If we can
00:57:10.160do this in Texas, we can do this anywhere. We're going to show them that we can do it even in a
00:57:14.880state like Texas. And so that's what's happening with, you know, the Islamic invasion. And I got1.00
00:57:19.680to tell you, most days I don't recognize the neighborhood that I grew up in, the neighborhood
00:57:25.960that I live in now, the grocery store that I frequent, it just feels like I'm in a different
00:57:32.160country. And, you know, I don't say that to say I don't like people with a different color skin than0.99
00:57:37.980me. It just feels, it's creepy, right? It's creepy to be walking around surrounded by people who are
00:57:44.360covering their faces, who are, you know, are wearing hijabs all around. And it just, it doesn't1.00
00:57:49.860feel like the Texas that I was born and raised in, sadly.
00:57:53.820That's scary to hear because hearing you now, you sound exactly how I sound when I go back to
00:57:58.440London. You know, I almost lost a job for, in fact, I did lose a board position for
00:58:02.320championing against drag queen story time for children. And everywhere you go in London,
00:58:07.820you see hijab here, niqab there. It doesn't feel like London anymore. I'm sad to hear that Texas0.99
00:58:12.620is becoming the same. What can you guys do to learn from the lessons that we've done,
00:58:16.020the mistakes we've made that's what's so frustrating honestly is that um i and that's what i say it all
00:58:22.340the time i feel like a broken record i'm like the uk has delivered a blueprint it's right in front
00:58:28.980of our faces we see how this ends we see the conclusion of this so why are we just allowing
00:58:34.900this to happen and i mean even with you know i um i had a tip one of my followers sent me this
00:58:43.460muslim exclusive cemetery which in and of itself isn't you know it's not illegal i know everyone's
00:58:48.180like it's not illegal okay that's fine but on the muslim cemetery's website it says islamic
00:58:53.780laws govern all matters concerning this cemetery and i said is anyone else concerned about i mean
00:58:59.700that sounds a little bit uh a little bit scary that they are putting on their website it's not
00:59:04.580american law but islamic law dictates all matters concerning the cemetery how far are they going to
00:59:10.580extend this and i had so many people even people who claim to be conservative say well come on
00:59:16.580sarah it's freedom of religion and i i right and i'm like you guys don't like they don't get it
00:59:23.060they haven't been able to properly understand it is not about freedom of religion this is a form
00:59:28.900of governance this is an ideology a pervasive ideology that intends to come here and take over
00:59:35.220and conquer and so it's just really frustrating because i think it's people like that primarily
00:59:40.420people who think like that, who are in office, even here in the, you know, the red so far state
00:59:46.160of Texas. I think it's people like that that allow this to continue to fester because they think,
00:59:52.300well, we're conservative. We have to believe in all of these freedoms and we can't not grant these
00:59:57.080people that. And they can't think beyond that. But it's such a, as you know, it's just a much
01:00:03.440more complex issue than that. But they haven't quite understood it yet. And I fear that it will
01:00:08.960take some giant, horrible act for them to understand, at which point, I don't know if
01:00:14.620we can put the genie back in the bottle. Well, I have many issues with people's
01:00:19.180understanding of freedom of religion, but I'd go on off a tangent if I started on that.
01:00:22.900But I think this is about equality under the law, is it not? American law should supersede
01:00:26.700any other law, including Sharia, which is the Islamic law. No place in this country,1.00
01:00:31.320in this Christian country, surely should be governed by an Islamic law. Again, look at1.00
01:00:36.220what's happening to us in Britain. 85 Sharia courts across the country, more than the rest1.00
01:00:40.560of Europe combined, because we've allowed it. People from Qatar and Saudi Arabia, who are1.00
01:00:45.340banned from those countries, come to Britain and set up their courts in our country. Does Texas
01:00:49.640want that? I mean, of course not. Of course not. When you look at the overwhelming majority of
01:00:56.420Texas, of course they are, they would consider themselves conservative, they would consider
01:00:59.980themselves Republican. The only problem is that a lot of Texans have been asleep at the wheel when
01:01:04.860it comes to our elections. And that's what is so important. You know, they just had a proposition
01:01:09.620on the ballot when we went to go vote in the primary. And the proposition was, do you want
01:01:14.660to ban Sharia in Texas? And of course, I mean, Republican voters, this was on the Republican
01:01:19.580ballot, Republican voters, it was like 95, 99 percent. I mean, something crazy where you're
01:01:24.920like, yeah, of course, everyone who's voting in this primary on this ballot proposition can agree1.00
01:01:29.920that we don't want sharia here in texas but you then have to rely on your legislators to of course0.68
01:01:36.020understand what their constituents want and make sure that i say that i want texas to be the most1.00
01:01:41.860inhospitable place to islam that has ever existed i want them to be so uncomfortable here that they1.00
01:01:47.040pack up and they move somewhere else and so we could do that by you know banning halal we could1.00
01:01:51.940do that by like we're trying to think outside the box here in the state of texas there are a lot of0.98
01:01:55.320grassroots activists that are trying to think outside the box on how can we take these you know
01:02:00.360they may seem like small measures um but it would essentially tell them they're not invited here and0.99
01:02:06.480they would leave and so we're trying to think outside the box and talk about banning halal and0.99
01:02:11.100you know um doing something about the financial institutions obviously we should put something on1.00
01:02:16.600the books that says we we are banning sharia and then be prepared to enforce that because that's1.00
01:02:21.960the other side of that. But unfortunately, I think it just comes down to the fact that we have weak
01:02:26.660legislation. We have weak legislators and they're too scared of being called mean names because we
01:02:31.660have at least two. We have two Democrats in the Texas state house that are foreign born who come
01:02:38.020from one comes from Pakistan. I can't remember where the other one comes from, but they're both
01:02:42.080Muslim majority countries. And they, you know, they swore in on the Koran. And I think that
01:02:48.120they're too scared of being called a mean name. And so you have a bunch of weak Republicans here
01:02:53.440in the state that aren't effectively pushing forth what their constituents have put them
01:02:59.560in office to do. And Texans, by and large, especially in primaries, there's only a small
01:03:05.000percentage of them that show up to vote. So I don't know what it's going to take for Texans to
01:03:09.260go, hey, this representative is not representing what I want. Maybe I should show up the next time
01:03:14.200around. And I think that's a good idea, creating a hostile environment. It doesn't mean treating
01:03:18.540other people worse. Actually, it just means treating them the same. They have exceptions
01:03:21.920in the laws. I don't know about the Texan law, but I know in Britain, we've banned non-stun0.99
01:03:26.980slaughter. We think it's cruel. But there's an exception. If you're Mohammedan, you can do
01:03:31.260kosher. Why do we make these exceptions? Same with banking. Our banking system has a certain0.99
01:03:37.040amount of interest on paying back loans. It's different for the Mohammedans for some reason.1.00
01:03:41.000get rid of these exemptions. They shouldn't have special treatment in our country, in our0.96
01:03:44.600Christian countries. But you pointed out another thing, the niqab and the hijab,0.96
01:03:49.360like banning full facial coverings and things like that. Again, in a Western country,0.82
01:03:53.260perfectly reasonable. Nobody should be walking into a bank with nothing but their eyes showing.
01:03:56.920That should be common sense. But obviously, there's this case of the recent, the health
01:04:01.560worker, I forget her name, you can remind me, who pointed out that she doesn't want to see these
01:04:05.760around her city. She doesn't want to see headscarves and hijabs and niqabs. And she's been1.00
01:04:10.160persecuted for it yeah you're absolutely right Dasha Kilpatrick is is her name and I think to
01:04:17.420me she's a hero because it's going to take so many more of us being like her to to to show these
01:04:25.260people that we don't want them here and it's nothing personal like you said it's nothing
01:04:28.800personal I have I have nothing personal against any of these people some of them may even be
01:04:33.760well-meaning people but if they subscribe to an ideology that tells them that they should be
01:04:39.360committing terror against non-believers that tells them that they should be, you know, you're going to
01:04:43.480submit or you're going to die, basically, when it comes to this religion, this ideology, this form
01:04:49.460of governance, that's a completely different story. And so I feel terrible for her that she, you know,
01:04:55.320she lost her livelihood because she decided that she had had enough and she went up to these women
01:05:00.540who had their head coverings on and she just said, you're not welcome here. And I honestly, really,
01:05:06.360truly i do think that it is going to take much more of that for it to get better here in the
01:05:11.080state of texas um i shudder to think of what it's going to take in places like you know minnesota
01:05:16.920or new york and places that they i mean they're doing the call to prayer five times a day on
01:05:22.440loudspeakers where everyone can hear so same up here in michigan yeah yeah it's just like i i
01:05:28.120i shudder to think what what is it going to take for americans to take their country back for
01:05:32.680christians to take their country back when you get to that point right so um i feel horrible for her
01:05:38.920i do hope that this is a at least what happened it got so viral that maybe we can use this as
01:05:44.520a catalyst to have this national conversation uh about whether or not she was justified me
01:05:49.880personally i think she was of course completely justified in what she had to say well i first
01:05:56.040heard about this through our mutual friend brianna morello but and i see what you're doing and what
01:06:00.280she is doing i'm like this is great but honestly sarah where are the men yeah yeah um i ask myself
01:06:06.840that quite frequently actually when i show up to you know uh any of these these things that i'm
01:06:13.080doing whether i'm going undercover or whether i'm you know showing up to speak out against
01:06:18.440all of these people i notice i'm looking around i'm like why am i a five four petite female
01:06:24.200the only one that's bold enough to come here and show up and say what needs to be said
01:06:28.760Um, it's a really great question. I don't know whether I can, I go back and forth with this and I would love to hear your take on this. I go back and forth because sometimes I wonder, is it the feminization of men, um, that has caused them to just be so, you know, passive about this or is it the masculine, uh, the masculinity of women who then they have these controlling, you know, wives and they say, don't you dare, you're not going to go out there and you're not going to do this.
01:06:58.220And then they just listen to them. I can't even it's like the chicken or the egg. I don't even know which one came first.
01:07:03.440But there obviously is a very big problem with men, not just around the state, but around the entire country who just seem to be very passive, very fine with everything happening around them.
01:07:15.640And there's this like live and let live, you know, policy, which we can say all we want.
01:07:22.100Well, we just want to mind our own business. We just want to go to work. We want to take care of our families.
01:07:25.460we want to come home and we don't want to be messed with. The problem is you're not dealing
01:07:29.300with an opposition that feels the same way. You're very much dealing with an opposition when it comes
01:07:34.940to the Islamic invasion that does very much want to be in your business, that does very much want0.94
01:07:40.380to make sure that you submit to Allah or face the consequences. So it's like the men in this0.99
01:07:45.920state and in this country don't understand by and large what they're actually up against and what
01:07:50.860they're facing. And I find it to be very sad. I was actually reading, just as an aside, I don't
01:07:56.280mean to monologue on your show, but just to give a shout out to a book that I'm reading that kind
01:08:02.320of talks about men, the passage of men just becoming more and more just fine, sitting around,
01:08:10.840not doing anything, not having motivation, not having any drive. And it's been fascinating to
01:08:15.760read. It's called Boys Adrift. And it talks about the feminization of schooling that has led to
01:08:21.300these males that just, you know, they don't like school and they withdraw and then they decide
01:08:25.480that they don't like anything because the way that we are teaching them, even when they're just
01:08:29.180very young, like kindergarten, is actually more geared towards females. And so we haven't done
01:08:35.740our males in this country any favors. And maybe perhaps that also is showing in adulthood as
01:08:42.300well. They just become withdrawn and they don't care and they don't want to do anything. But
01:08:45.820certainly there is a problem with the men not wanting to come out here and take charge and
01:08:51.120try to solve the problem themselves, certainly not with violence. But, you know, I think there's
01:08:56.080obviously a time and a place for them to do that and protect their women and children.
01:09:00.400Absolutely. It's their main role. And it's frustrating to watch places get taken over
01:09:04.220by an invading force who is strong, who are masculine. You know, the reason people are
01:09:09.180converting to islam is because it shows itself as a strong masculine force whereas christianity1.00
01:09:14.020in the west has become effeminate infantilized and just weak and pathetic we need to stand up0.98
01:09:18.980you know when i see a video of you on a doorstep challenging h1b visa scammers and you know who0.99
01:09:25.020knows what that guy could have turned around and said or done to you and then the neighbor saying
01:09:28.540yeah i've seen dodgy stuff but not willing to speak to you properly and telling you to go away
01:09:32.240who knows what could happen to you you shouldn't be there by yourself the man should already be
01:09:36.260there yeah yeah i know you're right um and i i have considered that many times and i think to
01:09:42.780myself you know i i have children at home too i can't leave them without a mom i can't you know
01:09:47.260their mom can't be in the hospital their mom can't be thrown in jail for some ridiculous thing that i
01:09:52.380might i could be accused of by any of these crazy people um but for me personally i try to i try to
01:09:58.660think of it like this the men need to get involved obviously but until they do i have to be able to
01:10:04.200look my children in the eye when they grow up and tell them, I did literally everything that I could
01:10:08.780to make this country, to preserve this country for you, to preserve the foundations upon which
01:10:13.980this country was founded, to preserve all of these things. I did everything I could. And now I hope,
01:10:18.780my hope is that it's a good, it's a good story. It has a happy ending. My hope is that I tell them
01:10:23.720that and I say, see, look what we preserved for you. My hope is that I understand obviously that
01:10:29.720it could end poorly. But either way, I'm going to look them in the eye and I'm going to say,
01:10:35.320I fought every ounce in me, fought as hard as I could. I worked sleepless nights. I worked extra
01:10:43.260hours. I did things for free just to preserve this country for you. And I wish that more men
01:10:50.120would have the same mentality. So my message is to the Christian pastors, really, is to lead your
01:10:54.780men is to stand up and be there at the forefront. You know, when the Mohammedan mayor of Dearborn0.74
01:10:59.520stood up and said, we will celebrate when the Christian pastor leaves this place, we drove down
01:11:04.160to the council meeting. The next week, two of the young men from my congregation, Ryan Wozniak and
01:11:08.920Noah Mullins, gave floor speeches against it. They wanted to see him face to face, like this is what
01:11:13.460the men should be doing, the Christian men should be doing. But I pointed out you were the one on1.00
01:11:17.560the ground, you're filling the void. Tell me about this H-1B visa scam that you've uncovered and why0.62
01:11:22.580it's so prevalent oh it is um man i didn't realize when we started getting involved in this that i
01:11:28.400was opening pandora's box um but what is actually happening in this country i mean you know we talk
01:11:34.300about the medicare fraud and you know all of these different types of fraud that are happening in this
01:11:39.400country and it's all bad uh whether it be snap fraud um billions of dollars of taxpayer money
01:11:45.140is being wasted didn't have to be that way but there's another type of fraud i think um that
01:11:50.400most people are not talking about enough. We talk about illegal immigration. We don't talk about
01:11:54.940legal immigration a lot. And everyone says, oh, no, no, no. We love legal immigration. We just
01:12:00.420don't like the illegal immigration. Because they want to be nice. Right. And the problem with that1.00
01:12:05.100is that our high trust society, our, you know, our good graces have been taken advantage of in
01:12:14.360large scale, particularly here in the state of Texas, where H-1B visa fraud is completely rampant.
01:12:20.820So for those of your viewers who may not know, H-1B visas were created specifically for just
01:12:28.620very unique, highly skilled or a highly unique skill set that you've searched high and low
01:12:36.920and you couldn't find any American worker to fulfill this one position. Therefore,
01:12:41.320you just have to go overseas to get it. It shouldn't have been written the way that it was
01:12:47.000because it's obviously severely being taken advantage of. But now what's happening is that
01:12:52.020you have a lot of people who have learned from foreign countries how to game the system.
01:12:56.340And so, by the way, this isn't a race thing. This is just a statistical thing. Most of these visas
01:13:01.820are being sought out by people who are coming from India. A lot of them are coming from the
01:13:08.040region that's called Hyderabad, Andhra Pradesh. And so these people have learned how to game the
01:13:13.700system. They are applying for jobs that don't exist. They're either doing that or they're
01:13:21.040bringing in people. They're putting up consultancy firms here in the state of Texas.
01:13:25.120They're bringing in people under these consultancy firms. They're putting them at perhaps a Verizon
01:13:30.880or a JP Morgan in some IT job that, of course, we have qualified Americans for. They're just0.98
01:13:35.860bypassing those Americans to undercut the American worker. And then they're skimming off the top of0.99
01:13:40.740their salary and they're telling these people, we're going to bring you in from India, but we're
01:13:44.040going to take 30 percent of your salary, which is highly illegal. But there's no mechanism that the
01:13:49.720United States has that they can use to actually look to see if that's happening unless they take
01:13:53.880it on a case by case basis and do a formal investigation. So what we're finding when we're
01:13:58.340knocking on doors is, oh, there's a company that's supposed to have 27 H-1B workers all
01:14:03.600officing out of this home that's strange nobody wants to answer questions we're also finding you
01:14:09.380know a catering service manager you couldn't find a single american to do a catering manager job
01:14:15.200you know we're finding empty offices we're finding ghost offices we're finding you were showing up on
01:14:20.100people's doorsteps and they're getting very angry that we're asking questions we're telling them
01:14:24.360there is one mechanism that the united states gives us members of the public uh an opportunity
01:14:29.700to go find out, have some sort of transparency with this H-1B visa program, and that are the
01:14:35.020public access files. And so we're going out and we're saying, hey, here's the Department of Labor
01:14:39.140form. We are a member of the public. We're requesting your public access files. And these
01:14:43.360people don't have them, can't provide them, can't answer questions, get very defensive. And it
01:14:47.800becomes very obvious when you start looking into this, the broken phone numbers, the broken website
01:14:52.420links, the broken email addresses. It becomes very, very obvious very quickly that they've
01:14:59.540learned how to game the system. And unfortunately, the American worker is the one who's had to suffer
01:15:04.480in all of that, particularly in the IT industry. I mean, imagine for a second, imagine we have
01:15:10.420Silicon Valley, right? Like we've produced Mark Zuckerberg and Bill Gates, which say what you will
01:15:17.120about his personal life. He was on the Epstein list and it was not a good thing. But look at what
01:15:22.160he's developed, right? Like we have all of these people who have developed all of this innovative
01:15:27.200of technology and you're telling me we can't find a single software professional, a software
01:16:22.440Is there a process to check whether people have tried to hire an American before they hire an Indian?0.90
01:16:27.020Yeah, I mean, and that therein lies the problem is that there is supposed to be a way for them to check. But the problem is that what it's reduced to is simply a Microsoft Word document that the person who owns the business, the legit or non legit business can just type up, you know, and say, this is what we posted. And this is when we posted it. Here is the job and here is the wage.
01:16:52.020We pinky promise that we are going to pay this person the wage that we are writing on this document that we pay.
01:16:58.340And so that's all that they have to provide.
01:17:00.500And the Department of Labor and USCIS, unfortunately, I think with every federal bureaucracy, has a bunch of paper pushers who are going through trying to clock in and clock out.
01:17:10.140And they're not interested in going to Google and looking up the website and trying the phone number and seeing if the phone number works.
01:17:15.860They're not interested in going and doing a, you know, a search to see what the building looks like. If the address even exists, they're just there to put in their hours and go home. That like that's the only thing that I can believe that is like the innocent, benign explanation for what's happening, because the other explanation is would be far more sinister.
01:17:35.280and that would be that they've got people embedded in USCIS or the Department of Labor
01:17:40.580who are participating in this. And that I can't bring myself to believe.
01:17:45.700So I think there are liberals that hate your country and think that you must have diversity
01:17:49.760because it's your strength and multiculturalism is how you win. Flood the country with Indians.1.00
01:17:53.980Like what's happened in Britain, like what's happened in Canada. And the scariest part about1.00
01:17:57.940all of that is that 97% of Indians have never left India. So there are plenty more to come.1.00
01:18:02.180Yeah, I know. You're absolutely right. And I just keep thinking to myself, if we're supposed to believe that this is because they're the only ones who are qualified, I struggle to understand, I struggle to comprehend why they haven't just built up India into its own amazing tech industry or whatever.
01:18:21.280they could just be benefiting their own country by staying there and providing them all of these
01:18:27.580amazing things that they can do. It just strikes me as odd that instead of doing that, they just
01:18:33.560come here and take up our resources. Because, I mean, you think about every time they come here,
01:18:38.280every single person who comes here to take an American job is also taking an American home.
01:18:42.520They're also taking up American resources every time they come, which is making things more0.97
01:18:46.420expensive for us. So it affects every facet of our lives that I don't think, you know, day in and day
01:18:52.440out, people don't realize. Like I said before, they think about illegal immigration. They don't
01:18:57.380think about the ways in which legal immigration affect their everyday lives. But I got to tell
01:19:02.320you, it is vast. It is expansive. And like you said, there's many more to come, unfortunately,
01:19:10.060unless we get a handle on this now. Well, especially, and again, it's not about race,
01:19:14.120especially if they don't share your culture and your faith and your language that's important
01:19:18.520I wanted to thank you you pointed out the rape gang inquiry report that came out of Britain last
01:19:23.600week such a serious report that hasn't been covered by most of the mainstream media that
01:19:28.260our country Britain is made up of maybe only 2.5 percent of the population is from Pakistan0.81
01:19:33.080but over 75 maybe 85 maybe even 95 of the child sexual abuse is from Pakistani Mohammedan men0.99
01:19:40.560And so a whole demographic of people that don't share our way of life, don't share our values, don't share our culture, don't share our faith, mostly don't share our language have come over and raped our young girls. And this is how important it is to control and protect your borders.0.98
01:19:53.540Yeah, I understand it is a very difficult subject matter for people to delve into. I understand that it's difficult to talk about. I think it's difficult for people to really wrap their head around how evil people could be, not just the Muslim gangs who did unspeakable things to young girls, but also the government, right?
01:20:16.660All of these different government agencies who were just covering it up, who were running cover for these men, they knew what they were doing. They were calling the children prostitutes. I mean, the unspeakable level of evil that that requires is really hard, I think, for people to wrap their heads around. And so instead, I think they're like, you know, like an ostrich. They just want to stick their heads in the sand.0.91
01:20:36.120But I have been I've had night. I mean, it stays with me. You know, it's a sick feeling. And so I warned my audience. I said, listen, I get it. But just just know you won't be able to unread it. It's going to stick with you. But maybe it should. I think it should because you can't forget that this happened to these young girls.
01:20:57.540You can't forget the levels of government that continued to hide it and prolong it and even run cover for these guys.
01:21:06.360So it's really, really tragic that this happened.
01:21:09.580I think people should be – I don't want to get you in trouble.
01:21:12.680So I'll just say I think a kind punishment would be life in prison.
01:21:19.160I personally would advocate for far more than that.