The NXR Podcast - The Next Crusade - Fr Calvin Robinson on Catholic vs Protestant Wars & the Greater Battle

00:00:00.000 Hello and welcome to the Next Crusade exclusive to NXR Studios, that is the new Christian 1.00

00:00:26.720 Right. Before we begin the show, let me remind you, you can grab my new book, The Silent 1.00

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00:00:44.720 Now, here on The Next Crusade, we discuss current events from a Christian perspective. 0.93

00:00:50.100 We address the rest of the topics that mainstream media does not want to touch with a 10-foot 0.99

00:00:54.020 Bargepole. And coming up today, we've got a very special guest in Phil Labonte, who you may know

00:00:59.160 as the metal musician from All That Remains. We're going to go through his life story, how he started

00:01:04.340 fighting against communism, what that's like to be someone who's on the right in the music industry.

00:01:09.760 Fascinating stuff to come. And before we get to that, let's start with a monologue.

00:01:15.320 Increasingly, I receive messages from my brothers and sisters in Christ, which appear to be

00:01:20.520 an attempt at dividing the kingdom. The number of sectarian comments and direct messages is

00:01:26.860 quite concerning sometimes, but then I suppose we are tribal by nature. It appears to me that

00:01:33.160 some people are stuck in the Reformation in much the same way that many a Remainer is immovable

00:01:39.340 from the Brexit referendum, and in the same way some Americans could not get past the election

00:01:44.540 results of either 2016 or 2020. Hashtag not my president. As an old Catholic I don't easily fit

00:01:52.620 into any of the usual boxes and that can be difficult for some people. I'm not under the

00:01:58.300 direct jurisdiction of the Pope but I do pray the rosary. I love the Book of Common Prayer but I

00:02:03.440 celebrate mass. That is not confused. My theology has been perfectly articulated by many scholars

00:02:09.760 prior to me, most especially Vernon Staley and Saint John Henry Newman. I see Anglicanism as

00:02:17.440 the English expression of the Catholic faith and the Reformation as a failure. The intentions may 0.95

00:02:23.320 have been good, recovering the gospel, returning to the church fathers, restoring the faith and

00:02:29.780 ridding the church of corruption and superstition. All very noble ideas in principle and as Mark

00:02:35.240 Twain is accredited as saying, whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority,

00:02:40.300 it is time to reform, pause, or reflect. Lord knows the church needed reform. Papal corruption,

00:02:48.900 armies, empires, dominions, legitimate families, greed, and dodgy practices such as the selling of

00:02:55.280 indulgences needed addressing. But in the process of reforming, the more puritanical Protestants 1.00

00:03:02.300 took to becoming anti-Catholic, in opposition to the majority who saw the Reformation as

00:03:08.180 pro-Catholic, if anything. That problem has never been resolved. Whilst many Puritans were driven

00:03:16.220 out of the Church, wars raged, attempted coups were fought off, and tribal lines were drawn in

00:03:22.840 the sand. I am of course condensing a vast period of history, but the point I'm trying to make is

00:03:29.000 that as Christians we were never intended to be divided. Schism is not good. Separation is not to

00:03:37.280 be desired and we should pray and work towards a united church. The Council of Vatican II reported

00:03:44.440 that Catholics today should not hold Protestants of today to blame for the sin involved in the

00:03:49.920 separation and I think that works both ways. We should focus on the things that unite us such as

00:03:55.960 our faith in Christ over the things that divide us, such as our worship styles. It is also worth

00:04:03.000 mentioning, I will not even entertain the tired revisionist argument that the church split entirely

00:04:09.340 because King Henry VIII wanted to remarry, that dismisses the call for reformation from the

00:04:14.560 continent, ignores the Catholicity of Henry VIII, and forgets that England was still a Catholic

00:04:19.500 nation until Elizabeth I was excommunicated by Pope Pius V. The English people maintained their

00:04:26.500 Catholic faith and chose to submit to the king over a foreign pope. I understand from a Catholic

00:04:31.520 perspective that's difficult to understand, but some imagination is necessary for this.

00:04:36.540 They didn't instantly become Anglicans in the sense that we use the word today.

00:04:41.160 The church in England was historically Catholic, and it didn't cease teaching what the Catholic

00:04:46.980 church teachers the moment that Henry VIII got remarried. We shall do a separate monologue on

00:04:52.980 that later. But followers were described as Anglicans as far back as 1215, centuries before

00:04:59.960 the Reformation. Anglicanism is a 19th century innovation encompassing the via media approach of

00:05:07.520 the Reformation, being broad enough to allow for nuanced disagreements in doctrine, i.e. real

00:05:13.100 presence versus transubstantiation or sola scriptura versus prima scriptura and worship

00:05:19.520 evangelical charismatic catholic for better or for worse the two camps that are often the most

00:05:26.460 prominent in my inboxes at the moment are roman catholics and protestants christ is the truth

00:05:33.800 no one owns christ the church is christ's body all those baptized in water and the spirit are

00:05:41.500 members of that body. The church recognises all valid baptisms in the name of God the Father,

00:05:47.160 the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Christ founded his church and instructed his apostles to spread the

00:05:54.220 gospel. He didn't tell Peter and Paul in Rome to disregard Andrew in Constantinople,

00:05:59.880 Mark in Alexandria, or Thomas in the East. Where sin drives us apart, Christ brings us together.

00:06:07.160 Roman Catholics who claim to be the only ones to be saved sound more like the Calvinists they 1.00

00:06:13.900 purport to oppose. There is charity in the common statement come home that's sure and there is no 1.00

00:06:20.780 salvation outside of the church. The question remains how broad is the church? The Holy Spirit

00:06:26.680 does indeed work through the church but the church is also an attractive target for the devil.

00:06:32.620 We must not forget that.

00:06:34.240 No institution made up of sinners can ever be perfect.

00:06:38.480 And then there are the Protestants who seem to think that Catholics are not even Christians.

00:06:42.660 The Protestants who constantly misinterpret Catholic doctrine on purpose.

00:06:47.360 And it must be on purpose because they have been defined and explained so clearly for centuries. 0.96

00:06:53.200 Especially on the Mass, the veneration of the Blessed Virgin Mary,

00:06:57.300 the invocation of the saints and prayers for the dead. 0.99

00:06:59.560 Protestants who think they understand the Bible better than their Catholic brethren

00:07:05.180 forgetting where the Bible came from, the Catholic Church

00:07:09.240 The assumption is that Protestants are the only ones to have ever read or understood the Bible properly

00:07:14.200 and in doing so they disregard the wisdom of the Church Fathers 0.90

00:07:18.060 These are the Protestants to whom the Church history began 500 years ago rather than 2,000 years ago

00:07:25.780 the problem here is that they spend so much time being anti-catholic they're no longer reforming

00:07:31.560 they are corroding the physical repulsion to any beauty in worship shows the vacuous nature

00:07:38.460 of puritanism that has seeped into protestantism over time beauty is transcendental it takes us

00:07:45.300 out of ourselves and redirects our gaze toward god that is what good art should do as well as

00:07:51.000 holy music and ritualistic worship. A solid liturgy should help us empty ourselves of our

00:07:56.500 inner desires and facilitate our prayer to be filled with God's will, and of course to be filled

00:08:02.020 really, truly, presently with God. How can any Christian be against beautiful worship?

00:08:09.640 There's no wonder Christianity is in decline in the West. We cannot acknowledge our brothers and 0.99

00:08:15.040 sisters in Christ because we're too focused on our theological and liturgical differences. 0.99

00:08:21.000 sectarianism is as much a threat to the church as wokeness and mohammedanism we may not all be in 0.85

00:08:28.280 communion with each other but we are in communion with christ that should be a good starting point 0.99

00:08:34.440 while we remain divided amongst ourselves the enemy grows stronger and more targeted

00:08:39.720 we are doing the enemy's job for them i'm sure i'm not the only one to observe these fault lines in

00:08:45.400 comments and DMs and replies. The Roman Catholics say come home. Author bros say become orthodox. 0.98

00:08:51.740 The prots say avoid Romish superstition. Fewer and fewer Christians say the grace of our Lord 0.96

00:08:57.900 Jesus Christ be with you. There are bigger, more urgent battles to be fought. There are those who 0.97

00:09:04.940 would drag the church into apostasy with heretical views on issues of human sexuality, denigrating

00:09:10.240 the sacraments of holy matrimony. Same-sex blessings are not just an issue to Anglicans

00:09:15.800 or Methodists. They're also a threat to Roman Catholicism thanks to German bishops and the 0.99

00:09:21.000 Synod of Synodality and modernists like Tuco and James Martin. The argument about which corner of 0.92

00:09:28.380 the church contains the most errors is a fatal one. Any institution made up of fallen individuals

00:09:33.560 will have problems. The 20th century has not been kind to either camp. Contraception, women's

00:09:40.500 ordination, trans re-baptism and now same-sex blessings have been tearing apart the Anglican 0.99

00:09:47.780 communion whilst the liberal progressive spirit of Vatican II, the child abuse scandal and now 0.79

00:09:53.340 the suppression of the traditional Latin mass has been ripping apart Rome. We're not heeding the

00:10:00.200 warnings. It is our duty to save souls by leading them to him. Our great commission is to disciple

00:10:07.480 the nations, not to disciple other denominations. If we spent half as much time preaching the gospel

00:10:15.320 to the world as we do fighting amongst ourselves, we'd be fulfilling our calling and pleasing God.

00:10:22.820 As Christianity declines in the West, the battle is no longer between Roman Catholic and Protestant

00:10:28.820 denominations. The battle now is increasingly between orthodox and heterodoxy, between

00:10:34.540 conservatives and liberals. We must band together, Catholics, Anglicans, Orthodox, Evangelical,

00:10:40.240 Baptists, Methodists and Pentecostal, to protect the faith against liberal progressive secularisation.

00:10:48.000 And to do that, we must live out our faiths fully and in unity as best we can.

00:10:53.560 vouchsafe we beseech the almighty god to grant unto the whole christian people unity peace and

00:11:03.240 true concord both visible and invisible through jesus christ our lord who liveth and reigneth

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00:12:27.260 I'm now joined by my guest, Phil Labonte, or as he says, Labondi.

00:12:31.420 How are you, Phil?

00:12:32.820 Doing quite well. Thank you very much for having me. I appreciate it.

00:12:35.640 It's a pleasure having you on.

00:12:36.920 there's so much I want to talk to you about but we were having a little chit chat before the show

00:12:41.540 you raised the topic of your family I think this is actually the most important topic before we get

00:12:46.120 to politics or music or what's going on in the world you've got a new family you've got a nine

00:12:51.760 month old son I believe yes I do yes I do that is a blessing from God we were just talking about

00:12:57.220 the fact that I often tell people have as many children as God blesses you with and you were

00:13:02.600 saying that you you know you're you're above 50 now and so your time restraint is is more is more

00:13:08.520 obvious to you than it may have been if you ever had children at a younger age how do you feel

00:13:12.500 about that um so i was married before and we were we we couldn't have kids um and so but being a

00:13:21.100 father is something that i always i kind of always thought that it was just normal that i was going

00:13:25.340 to be a father i was going to meet someone fine you know and we would start a family um and then

00:13:29.740 you know, when I got married, I personally kind of thought that, you know, and I honestly still

00:13:35.780 do think that like marriage is supposed to be forever. She had a differing opinion, but

00:13:39.820 so I kind of thought that, you know, having children was kind of out of the question. And

00:13:44.400 I was like, I was, I was a little bummed about it, but I was like, you know, you know, everyone

00:13:49.200 plays the hand they're dealt, right? Like if you're not going to be able to have kids because

00:13:53.280 your wife can't have kids, well, that's, that's the situation for you. And no use being angry

00:13:58.660 about it it's just the way that it is um and then when we didn't work out um i kind of was like oh

00:14:05.460 maybe i'll actually have the opportunity and so i actually before me and my my girlfriend uh got

00:14:10.800 together that was one of the things that i was very cognizant of does she want to be a mother

00:14:17.420 is she looking to have a family does she want to have more than one kid um and and especially

00:14:23.200 considering, you know, like, as you said, I'm 51 now, just turned 51 in April. And so having your

00:14:29.180 first kid at 50, you know, it's something that is on your mind, right? You're like, you're thinking

00:14:35.440 about it. It's like, if I have kids now, you know, I want to make sure that I would like to be around

00:14:41.440 when they're adults, right? Like I, my father passed away when I was very young. Well, not very

00:14:45.680 young. When I was young, I was like 24. And I didn't get to have like a lot of adult time with

00:14:52.340 him you know I had I had a wonderful father I had a I my mother I have a great family I was very

00:14:58.340 very fortunate in that that my parents were great and I loved my dad my whole life there was there

00:15:02.840 was never a teenage angst years where I was like oh dad I'm so angry with you or anything um he was

00:15:08.920 a great man and but I do look back and think you know I really wish that I had more adult time with

00:15:15.100 my father and that's something that does you know it does occur to me but at the same time I can't

00:15:20.560 help but think you know i mean i want to have you know kids and i i like i like having the nine

00:15:26.880 month old around he's fun he's tons of fun you know looking at it watching him like discover

00:15:31.480 the world is super fun and just doing you know simple little things like putting him on the

00:15:34.740 swing or or just crawling around and rolling around on the floor with him is a lot of fun so

00:15:38.640 i do want to have more but it is like like you said it is something that kind of

00:15:42.760 you're cognizant of it kind of makes your mortality a little more tangible i guess

00:15:47.480 yeah i think the older we get the more we realize how mortal we are and obviously we always know

00:15:51.720 that but it becomes more obvious to us doesn't it the older we get and time seems to speed up

00:15:56.180 we're very much aware that time is running out when you can remember adult things you were doing

00:16:01.440 20 years ago it makes 20 years in the future totally different oh yeah you know what i mean

00:16:06.420 yeah you're like oh i was doing that when i was 30 and i was and i'm like oh that was 20 years ago

00:16:11.220 oh man that seems like it wasn't that long ago and now you know so it does make it uh makes it

00:16:16.680 makes time seem far more tangible oh yeah but it's i think it's important for especially for

00:16:21.360 young men to hear things like what you've just been sharing because it does fly by and we do

00:16:26.580 need to plan we do need to consider do i am i called to be a father do i want to be a father

00:16:31.220 is that something i have in in my mind as something i want to achieve in my life i want to pass on

00:16:36.740 love i want to pass on knowledge and wisdom and potentially pass on the faith um to the next

00:16:41.400 generation is this something i need to consider and how soon am i going to do it because we just

00:16:45.880 kind of run through life quite often these days and life takes hold of us and before you know it

00:16:49.940 your life's halfway over yeah yeah yeah it happens fast i mean every you know everyone

00:16:57.200 that you know once you reach a certain age you're like man these young people they they need to

00:17:02.920 realize you know life is fat life is short and and it happens fast and and it's it's really tough

00:17:09.300 to actually make young people understand what that means.

00:17:15.980 Because I remember what it was like when I was 21.

00:17:18.300 I remember what it was like when I was 25.

00:17:20.080 I was like, ah, 20 years, that's forever.

00:17:22.980 And it's like, well, you hit 40 and you're like,

00:17:27.500 not that 40 is particularly old, honestly, in my opinion.

00:17:30.300 Especially nowadays, people tend to be a little,

00:17:33.180 well, actually, I don't know that people tend to be.

00:17:35.280 um some people tend to be more healthy and more active uh than 40 year olds in the past uh there

00:17:42.640 i'm sure there are plenty of people that are unhealthy at 40 and stuff too but but uh you know

00:17:47.160 you can you can keep yourself younger for longer uh nowadays and i'm not talking cosmetically i'm

00:17:53.320 talking about like through healthy habits and stuff um but yeah you know for when you hit 40

00:17:58.380 you know your your life is about half over when you hit 40 so you know you or at least the the

00:18:04.900 the best years are definitely the best years you've gone through a significant portion of

00:18:10.800 now i will say it like that you know right so phil let's talk about your best years as a rock star

00:18:16.140 what stands out to you in your life so far that you're like that that was my peak or is your peak

00:18:21.200 yet to come uh i you know there has been peaks and valleys but i i don't and i don't know that

00:18:29.860 my peak is yet to come but i do know that you should not consider the your past peaks as the

00:18:39.500 own as your best days and look back and think oh it's all down downhill from here right you should

00:18:44.080 always have the attitude of i can do more i can do better i can i can refine my craft i can i

00:18:50.700 still think i can be better on stage i can i can perform better i can i can you know make sure that

00:18:56.620 that this, this song that I was struggling with, I can make sure that I can get better at performing

00:19:02.080 it. I can, I can write better songs. So, I mean, we've had a lot of really, really great things

00:19:07.500 happen in our career. I mean, we've been in movies, video games, we've had number one hits

00:19:12.840 on the rock charts here in the U S we've had, you know, we've got golden platinum records,

00:19:17.200 like all of the things that you think about a musician that's a performing artist would want,

00:19:24.580 like we've got that we like we've attained that kind of stuff but that doesn't mean that like

00:19:28.800 that doesn't mean that we don't have aspirations to to do more and to and to do different things

00:19:34.660 so the the the biggest things are are i mean honestly the coolest things are when people

00:19:41.600 still come up to me when i'm at the gym or just a couple weeks ago i was in the grocery store

00:19:47.240 at this this this place in west virginia and the the kid behind the counter was like

00:19:52.440 holy cow and he couldn't believe that he's like you're a guy from all the remains you're full

00:19:56.040 from others and i was like yeah yeah and you know he was he was so excited and to be able to

00:20:01.500 to have written music that matters that much to people that's had had such an impact on them and

00:20:08.840 that they think is is or they they've they look at as such an important thing in their life is a huge

00:20:15.680 huge victory or or mark of success whatever you want to call it the the especially seeing as

00:20:22.120 you know we've been doing this for a while like all that remains started in 1998 and so you know

00:20:27.740 we've been doing this for 26 years now or so 27 20 28 years something like that um so to think now

00:20:37.340 still young people because this guy wasn't you know he wasn't like my age at all he was he was

00:20:42.340 probably in his late 20s are still coming up and saying hey man this thing that you did really

00:20:48.320 really matters to me i really appreciate the fact that that you'll take a second and and shake my

00:20:54.080 hand or even take a picture or whatever that's the it's one of the best things about it because

00:20:59.080 you know i i love writing music and stuff but it's it's way cooler to touch people and and

00:21:06.120 have written songs that people care about that they can relate to things that they feel like

00:21:10.840 speak to them um because you know like i'm i play guitar and i do write some of the the riffs and

00:21:16.080 stuff but mostly what i do is i write the lyrics and so they're just really just me relating my

00:21:21.600 own experiences in life and for people to come and say hey this really matters to me that's that's

00:21:26.460 it's really really cool and you know you to call it a blessing is probably an understatement so

00:21:32.500 yeah i love that answer because we set ourselves these goals in life whether it is get on a

00:21:37.660 billboard or be in a video game or whatever and these these goals and ambitions are important and

00:21:41.880 they are good because they direct us towards something productive but most people answer

00:21:46.160 a question similar to the way that you just did in that we are relational and so having an impact

00:21:50.840 a positive impact on the people around us is actually far superior to the to the material

00:21:55.500 things that we're actually attaining to whilst we're doing it and so both things go hand in

00:22:00.620 hand but that what we leave behind is how we changed people how we helped make the world a

00:22:05.020 better place that's that's yeah i mean there's a cliche like nobody remembers like you know what

00:22:11.480 you were wearing but they always remember how you made them feel you know and if i can make people

00:22:16.560 like you know make people that i've never even met feel good that's that's a real real victory

00:22:22.740 that's a that's a big life victory you know what i mean that that's something that that you can say

00:22:27.340 is is a a consistent positive thing that that that hopefully even carries on after you're gone

00:22:36.040 and so obviously your genre is metal which i growing up i always thought metal was like

00:22:42.980 rebellious music it was like you know raging against the machine kind of thing yeah and now

00:22:48.560 i look around and i see like most of metal is kind of establishment and and kind of there is

00:22:55.540 no rebellion and actually they're like please govern me harder daddy and should i put a face

00:22:59.560 mask on while i play the guitar it's like what's happened to music uh i honestly i think it's it's

00:23:07.720 not that something's happened to music i think that something's happened to society and i think

00:23:12.760 it's like kind of a convergence of a couple things um first of all people will still argue

00:23:19.380 against this but i think the left really dominates kind of uh most of western society now right like

00:23:26.720 And if you talk to anyone that's on the left, you know, they're going to deny it.

00:23:33.800 They're going to swear up and down.

00:23:34.720 Well, look, you know, Donald Trump's in the office of the president and there have been

00:23:39.420 conservatives that have been elected to high positions in the UK parliament and the UK's

00:23:47.420 had conservative prime ministers.

00:23:49.980 But if you look at the kind of the narratives, the stories that that we kind of internalize as society, they're really they're really based on things that the left considers positive values.

00:24:07.060 Um, the idea of hierarchy is kind of, is, is kind of taboo now, you know, the idea that there, there is a certain order to society that makes society work best is kind of a bad, you know, it's considered a, it's considered a bad thing.

00:24:27.280 um and i think that because the left is in control and there are so many musicians that

00:24:34.060 kind of have the uh a a left-leaning perspective you you don't have that kind of rebelliousness

00:24:41.320 because what are they going to rebel against you know it's very easy to find you know um

00:24:45.600 artists that'll say you know f donald trump or what have you um but that's not particularly

00:24:52.720 rebellious against society um and so i think that that the fact that the music industry is

00:25:01.440 so dominated by the left you you they still kind of wear the outfit of rebellion but they don't

00:25:09.340 have the content there um i think that part of the reason also you know like metal music used

00:25:15.600 to be underground right but there is no more underground it used to be where when when something

00:25:20.500 was underground, you'd have to go seeking it, right? You'd have to go look for it. When I was

00:25:24.200 a kid, when I was, you know, 15 years old, there was this little store called the Music Outlet that

00:25:30.080 was probably 35, 40 minutes from my house. And I would have to get my mom to give me a ride down

00:25:35.860 there. And I would go through the CDs and I would go and pick them out by what the cover looked

00:25:41.600 like. And I didn't know if I was even going to like it. You know, I was just like, this looks

00:25:44.800 cool hope i like it you know and and nowadays you know there is no more underground because

00:25:50.460 everything's just a google search away there there isn't anything that you actually physically have

00:25:55.980 to leave your house go to a specific place to see if you're going to discover it not just like

00:26:03.460 go to get it it's one thing it would be one thing if it was like oh i heard about this and i'm going

00:26:06.700 to go and buy this because i know that i'm gonna like it but again it was like it was like you

00:26:11.740 were going and trying to discover something and you know when you're a 15 year old kid and you

00:26:16.360 spend 20 bucks in 1990 on a cd uh you know that was a lot of money and it it was just like you

00:26:26.500 if you didn't like it you were like ah well that was a waste but you still kept going back so i

00:26:30.760 think the fact that there's no more underground nothing's hidden away i think that makes it

00:26:35.460 difficult for for bands to be subversive the way that they used to be um you know so i think that

00:26:42.940 that that contributes to the fact that things don't seem you know there is doesn't seem to be

00:26:49.480 people raging against the machine anymore they're out there um but i mean i'm one of a very few

00:26:55.900 people that are are outspoken on the right and in a metal band there's a lot of people that

00:27:00.980 agree with me but they don't talk about it because it's it's just talking about politics

00:27:06.820 either way right whether you're right or left it it's going to turn off a certain segment of

00:27:11.900 the population and and i understand from a marketing perspective and from a business

00:27:16.400 perspective to be like you know don't touch politics that's that's just something that

00:27:20.120 people are too heated and too charged about um i wish it was like i know i'm not sure it is though

00:27:25.440 phil i think people do touch politics but only if they're on the left i think if they're on the

00:27:29.560 right they quiet down because like you know this will this will destroy my career but throughout

00:27:33.280 you know the Biden administration we had people on stage wearing masks taking a knee for BLM

00:27:38.920 like the whole they were with the establishment and so now that Trump's in they'd be like F Trump

00:27:44.180 but it's because he's right wing it's not because he's the president like they're not anti-government

00:27:47.600 they're not anti-establishment they were very much for the establishment when it was someone

00:27:51.360 that was on the left and so it has become this weird divide and I wonder what are the audiences

00:27:56.640 thinking about all of this um well again i think the audiences make you know the audience is very

00:28:04.720 broad right uh politically if you're talking politically um it's easier to not talk about

00:28:12.300 your politics or or what have you uh and i think there's a lot of music music fans that kind of

00:28:18.160 don't really care strongly about the politics obviously there are people that are very far

00:28:23.260 left and and there are probably some people that are very far far right that that you know are in

00:28:28.280 the audience and yes the people on the right are going to be you know quiet about their beliefs

00:28:33.680 um far more than the people on the left and the people on the left are going to attack you if

00:28:38.340 you're not like specifically they you know i mean i'm sure you've seen it whether it be someone

00:28:43.520 that's a political commentator or what have you if you if you voice opinions that go against what

00:28:48.680 what's politically correct or whatever

00:28:51.020 the general consensus is supposed

00:28:53.200 to be, you're going to get attacked.

00:28:55.040 And that's something that

00:28:56.080 comes with the territory. But I do think

00:28:59.040 that the overall

00:29:01.020 music listeners,

00:29:02.980 I do think that they make up

00:29:04.640 a wide

00:29:06.760 segment of the population.

00:29:09.120 I don't think that they're just

00:29:10.860 one-sided. Because I get kids all the time

00:29:13.060 that come to me and they're like, man,

00:29:14.820 I really agree with the stuff that you said on Twitter.

00:29:17.040 I really, you know, I agree about this or blah, blah, blah.

00:29:20.260 So I do think that there's a very, very broad opinion.

00:29:24.860 It's just that, like you said, the people on the right are still, you know, still really pushed on by the left because they tend to have what they believe is the moral high ground.

00:29:37.920 So your social media content has become very anti-communist.

00:29:41.400 You stand up for patriotism.

00:29:43.600 How did you begin?

00:29:44.740 And were you nervous at first?

00:29:47.040 um so i've always been on like i'm i'm i was a guy that was you know around before the internet

00:29:55.780 and as soon as the internet kind of became a thing um you know i found myself on websites that

00:30:01.320 were talking about music generally but i ended up on the message boards and i would talk about

00:30:05.920 politics people would you know again with very different views they would they would

00:30:10.000 you know put you know say something or what have you and i would i would either push back or i'd

00:30:14.540 say i agree or what have you and and and that was just in i mean there's this one site lambgoat.com

00:30:21.200 that i uh that i used to be on all the time and and would talk politics there and this is in the

00:30:26.680 early 2000s you know and then as soon as twitter became a thing uh i joined i joined twitter in

00:30:32.160 like 2009 and so that was it was something that i was doing but when it comes to like the idea of

00:30:37.620 like anti-communism like the the record that put us on the map was this record called the fall of

00:30:43.280 ideals. And that came out in 2006. And I titled that record because I felt like the values that

00:30:50.800 made specifically for me, the United States, but as I've learned, it's more broadly the West,

00:30:56.000 but the values that made the United States a special place and made us unique had kind of

00:31:02.520 fallen out of fashion. And this is, you know, like this is 2006. So this is, you know, before,

00:31:06.640 before the woke thing kind of became a thing right like it was it was just kind of a sense

00:31:14.140 that I got and I didn't I couldn't articulate it um I didn't study philosophy or anything like that

00:31:20.420 I I was you know I finished high school and I you know tried to get into into bands and start

00:31:25.640 start a music career so I was I wasn't uh well versed on what it was that I was seeing or what

00:31:32.900 I was trying to articulate but I could feel it you know as far back as 2006 all the stuff that

00:31:39.120 I thought was important about you know about our my country and and and the ideals that we kind of

00:31:48.300 looked at as the values that we considered good the ideals that we considered good they they were

00:31:54.120 no longer as important to people and nowadays it's you know it's kind of totally flipped right 0.94

00:32:00.520 Like if you say, we were talking last night on IRL, if you're a person that is married to someone of the opposite sex and you have a kid, that's enough to be called trap, right?

00:32:15.380 The slang traditional. 0.98

00:32:17.000 And it's like, just because you're a normal person doing what normal people do, that's enough to be called trap.

00:32:24.940 So all these things that we had for all my life and all generations before, leading up to this flashpoint in the United States and the West more broadly, all these things that we considered good, integrity and honesty and family and all these things that you consider, I mean, I guess they could be called traditional values.

00:32:52.940 But all these things have been flipped on their head and there's no more or it has fallen out of favor to be self-sacrificing.

00:33:02.360 It has fallen out of favor to look at your life as a way to serve other people.

00:33:08.100 It's fallen out of favor to look inward for strength.

00:33:13.140 And now people are looking for someone else to rely on and some way to have their needs met by another person.

00:33:22.940 Um, the, the idea of rugged individualism that, you know, the United States was kind

00:33:27.920 of built on, that's become, excuse me, that's become, you know, kind of cliche and, and

00:33:33.700 you see it now, obviously it's, it's very, very easy to see now, but in 2006, that was

00:33:39.600 kind of the, the thing that, that I was trying to articulate.

00:33:44.580 And, you know, since then I've done a whole lot of reading and, and I've learned a lot

00:33:49.420 more about why things are the way they are and what's happened and the narratives that we've

00:33:54.260 we've kind of taken uh as as important here in the u.s and and what that means for society and

00:34:03.300 i mean unfortunately i i feel like i was a little bit of a of a i guess i was predicting the future

00:34:10.800 a little bit um and it hasn't exactly worked out in a positive way but it's it is nice to see that

00:34:18.480 people are saying things like, I mean, just from Donald Trump himself, he's specifically saying

00:34:25.080 communism, right? He's calling out communism. He's calling out the ideology that the leftists

00:34:31.480 hold. You see it from Margot Rubio. You see it from a lot of people in positions of authority

00:34:37.640 in the US government. And I think that people in the UK, you know, they look at the way that

00:34:43.020 the Labour Party is and the Green Party now. And they see it as well. It's something that

00:34:49.820 can and will destroy a country or not even just a country, but a society if you allow it to. And I

00:34:56.800 think that people are noticing and it's nice to see them joining the fight. So I have a little

00:35:03.240 more hope than I did maybe 10 years ago, but that's kind of the driving force behind me being

00:35:08.800 in politics or involved in political commentary overall. You know, communism is a terrible

00:35:17.220 ideology. I am partial to the argument that communism is a religion more than a political

00:35:23.820 ideology. It is something that people internalize and use to find meaning in their lives. And

00:35:32.740 And it is, there is a lot of argument that it is anti-Christian and not to get too, I'm not a particularly religious guy.

00:35:43.860 So I don't want to, I want to tread lightly here because I don't want to offend anyone.

00:35:47.040 But, you know, when you talk about things that are opposed to what we kind of all have or what we had kind of considered as good,

00:35:56.940 And you see that the left has kind of inverted that.

00:36:02.100 The argument that, hey, you know, these people are anti-Christian, like it's a very compelling argument. 0.99

00:36:08.220 Whether or not they believe that they're anti-Christian, as kind of a guy standing outside looking at it, it's like, well, look, the Christians, they've got their crap together. 0.97

00:36:19.820 And you look at the way that society was when the Christians were in charge and you didn't have suicide rates that we do now. 0.98

00:36:26.780 You didn't have the divorce rates. You did have a growing population. 0.99

00:36:30.860 You had all these positive things that happened for society 1.00

00:36:34.920 were happening when Christians kind of controlled the narrative. 0.98

00:36:37.200 And now that we have people that are not Christians controlling the narrative, 0.93

00:36:40.260 you know, debauchery reigns and things are falling apart. 1.00

00:36:44.060 It's so true. We spent the better part of the 20th century fighting communism.

00:36:48.540 And it seems in the 21st century we've embraced it.

00:36:51.000 It's very odd to see it happening in front of our very faces.

00:36:53.720 i happen to think the uh problem was inclusivity because you mentioned some of the things we we've

00:36:59.300 always known to be good and ordered such as the family structure of a husband and wife mother and

00:37:04.480 father having children that's a stable family we moved past that to her but they can be there can

00:37:10.080 be alternative families and we can have we move past that to actually the alternative is better

00:37:14.980 and the normative needs to be smashed it's like wait how do we go from a to c and it's because

00:37:19.840 of B. We tried to be inclusive of things that we knew weren't necessarily good, weren't

00:37:23.840 necessarily ordered, weren't necessarily the ideal. And we very rapidly, over a number

00:37:28.520 of years, not even decades, just over a number of years, switched to getting rid of what

00:37:32.420 was normal and good. And so the question I suppose is, how do we return to that? How

00:37:36.200 do we, because right now, that is metal, right? That is hardcore, that is kind of rebellion,

00:37:40.620 just being normal. So is that how we do it? Just by saying, yeah, we're rebelling against

00:37:45.360 the system by being normal, being a father and having a nine-month-old son.

00:37:49.840 So there's one point or one thing that you said that I really want to point out and I want to put a pin in.

00:37:54.760 You said that, you know, you were talking about the alternative lifestyles and stuff.

00:37:58.960 One of the things that is pervasive on the left, they use this phrase, they want to center the margins,

00:38:06.580 which it means to take the people that are on the margins and make them to be looked at as the norm.

00:38:12.860 And that is a terrible, terrible idea, right?

00:38:16.000 Even if you are a person that doesn't have a strong desire for traditional values, it's very easy to understand that if you make the alternative lifestyles, the focus of your government, the focus of your society, and you put the normal lifestyles.

00:38:37.700 And I do use the phrase normal intentionally, the normal people that have children and that,

00:38:43.060 you know, men and women that have families and stuff.

00:38:45.240 If you put the normal people on the margins and don't focus on them and don't hold them

00:38:49.720 up and make, and don't make them the most important thing of your society, you're going

00:38:54.860 to have a dysfunctional society.

00:38:56.520 Now, how we, how we get the focus back to, um, you know, back to the family and normalcy.

00:39:04.860 Um, I think we're trying.

00:39:06.380 I think that there are a lot of people in the younger generations that are looking at the dysfunction of older Gen Z and millennials and they're saying they're rejecting it.

00:39:19.160 I think that society and technology make it harder for the young population.

00:39:25.000 I think people that are, you know, young Gen Z and Generation Alpha, they're thrown into a world that is very, very different than the world that I grew up in.

00:39:34.360 Like I was, I was an adult or essentially an adult before the internet was ubiquitous, right?

00:39:39.380 Like I think that the, when the, the internet became on your smartphone, um, that was when,

00:39:47.400 when the internet really became ubiquitous.

00:39:49.580 And now there are people that, you know, they don't remember there that are adults that

00:39:53.840 don't really remember a time before the smartphone don't remember a time before social media.

00:39:59.100 And, and there's, the changes have been so dramatic that human beings haven't been able to figure out, I mean, we haven't figured out what this all means. I mean, Jordan Peterson, I remember he was, he was having a discussion. He was saying that, you know, we don't know if men and women can work together. And the person that he was talking to kind of laughed that off.

00:40:18.980 And he was like, well, hold on, you know, it's only been a handful of years, you know, or, you know, a couple of decades since we've kind of integrated, integrated workforces the way that we have where women go are in the workforce and stuff.

00:40:30.640 And he went down a litany of things that happened because of it. And it's real that we don't, it takes us time as a society to process these gigantic changes.

00:40:46.100 And whether that be, you know, women in the workforce or social media in your pocket, that not just being in your pocket, but literally notifies you, pokes you, vibrates and tells you every time someone approves of something that you posted, or every time someone sends you a message, or every time a friend of yours posts something, it literally vibrates.

00:41:06.000 It's like poking you saying, hey, pick me up.

00:41:08.380 We don't know the ramifications of that on not just individuals, but society as a whole.

00:41:15.380 And so it's something that we're learning.

00:41:16.920 And right now, we've got a situation where there's all these young people that we're

00:41:20.960 running this massive social experiment on.

00:41:23.440 And there are some, and I think it's the smart ones, that are kind of rejecting that constant

00:41:29.460 online thing.

00:41:30.580 And I'm completely guilty of it myself.

00:41:33.020 I mean, I'm always on my phone.

00:41:35.100 I'm always on X and stuff.

00:41:36.740 But I also, you know, I was a full grown adult before these tools, if you want to call them

00:41:44.040 that came out or were released on the population. So hopefully young people decide to leave them

00:41:51.860 alone and decide not to allow them to kind of control their lives. But I think that that's

00:41:57.780 one of the things that is going to help young people kind of establish normal lives. We have

00:42:05.700 to focus on meeting people in person and spending time with people and actually talking face-to-face

00:42:11.700 and having normal lifestyles, normal traditional lifestyles, the idea that any kind of relationship

00:42:20.480 is equal to any other kind of relationship. I think that's just wrong. And I don't want to

00:42:26.100 sound like I'm saying that I'm condemning people that have alternative lifestyles. That's fine.

00:42:30.840 We have room for that in our society, but our society should focus on normal lifestyles,

00:42:36.260 should focus on families and say these are the lifestyles that we are going to treat as the best

00:42:42.360 for people that's wisdom phil i uh i will condemn alternative lifestyles i think because i think

00:42:48.320 it's it's it's we're seeing the end of our people right so westerners in general are dying out

00:42:54.360 um it's because people aren't getting married people aren't having children and the normative

00:42:58.360 has been smashed and we've got to reverse that but i think your words of wisdom there are that

00:43:02.280 the internet is a massive catalyst in all of this i won't say it's the fault of it but it's

00:43:06.580 certainly a catalyst of it and you were fortunate in that your prefrontal cortex was developed

00:43:11.200 before you got online but most of us it weren't and so we've we've kind of grown up around the

00:43:16.280 internet and and especially the younger ones who've grown up with social media and their next

00:43:20.660 generation will grow up with ai so we don't even have a time to assess what the internet does never

00:43:25.360 mind what the what social media does because they're they're literally growing up in ai now

00:43:29.940 so the kids that are born to your child will never know a world without without ai that

00:43:34.020 that terrifies me um i i'm very i generally i'm i'm a very pro ai person like i'm not a i'm not

00:43:43.980 a doomer um it is going to pose challenges i'm fully in agreement with with you there just like

00:43:49.800 the the advent of the the smartphone has um i do think that ai is going to make it's going to make

00:43:58.700 people far more capable, but you have to teach your kids first how to do things the old-fashioned

00:44:08.920 way, right? I haven't sat down and written out a multiplication problem in I don't know how long,

00:44:17.120 but I'm fairly certain that I can still do it. But the real benefit of AI, there's a lot of

00:44:24.720 people that are saying that it's going to destroy the economy and that that there won't be any jobs

00:44:29.080 and stuff and i you look back at history and i'm i'm just not convinced by that argument i

00:44:34.420 people said that about the car when the horse and cart was being phased out yeah

00:44:38.100 yeah people were saying that about the the personal computer about the you know when

00:44:42.440 when computers were first introduced they were like oh you know because there used to be data

00:44:46.960 entry right like and and those kind of things and and those jobs have all gone away people

00:44:52.180 thought that Microsoft Word was going to destroy too many jobs and stuff. And I don't think that

00:44:58.440 that's going to happen. I mean, 100 years ago, people couldn't imagine that there would be

00:45:04.420 people like us that are doing this kind of thing. And this is a whole new field and industry that's

00:45:12.560 been created. I mean, 200 years ago, therapists didn't exist. You'd go talk to your priests or

00:45:18.940 whatever um which people should do and i share i share your i'm not a luddite you know my my first

00:45:25.060 degree is computer science i am a engineer first and foremost but i don't first degree right but

00:45:31.340 i don't care about the economy i really don't i don't care about that like the jobs aren't a

00:45:34.800 concern of mine there'll be there'll be new jobs the economy will will always have a way to to

00:45:39.120 trade my problem is the culture and i think it's going to undermine i think ai is going to undermine

00:45:43.260 the culture? I mean, it could. I'm not sure. Actually, why don't you unpack that? Explain

00:45:50.080 to me what you mean by undermine the culture. In the same way that having a smartphone in our

00:45:53.700 pockets has made us convince ourselves that we're more connected than we've ever been,

00:45:57.840 when actually in real life, we're more disconnected than we've ever been. We don't know our neighbors

00:46:01.440 anymore. We make little echo chambers in these black boxes that we feel like we know people,

00:46:07.220 when we really truly don't. We're not relational anymore. Young men and women aren't meeting each

00:46:10.840 other then the reason that people aren't getting married and having children is because we don't

00:46:13.940 see real people anymore and it's only going to get worse as technology progresses at such rapid

00:46:19.160 pace that we don't have time to work out if it's good or not yeah i think that that there's there's

00:46:25.000 a lot of a lot of truth that chat gpt just came out with a feature uh in the past couple weeks

00:46:31.860 where you can speak to it and the interaction is like a human.

00:46:39.360 So there's pauses, like you can interrupt it and it'll stop talking.

00:46:46.200 There are times where chat GPT will actually talk over you or interrupt you.

00:46:50.900 And it's humanizing the interaction.

00:46:52.860 Now, I have an AI agent.

00:46:55.900 I use this program called OpenClaw, which is just an agentic AI.

00:47:01.120 so it can do things, right?

00:47:02.360 I've got a computer.

00:47:03.380 I bought a computer that's specifically for it

00:47:05.140 because I don't want to give it my own credit card numbers

00:47:07.000 and what have you,

00:47:07.760 but I don't want to have access

00:47:09.880 to all of my information on my computer.

00:47:12.260 So it's got its own, you know,

00:47:13.500 it's basically in its own box.

00:47:15.500 And if I'm texting with it,

00:47:17.440 you can use Telegram to send it messages.

00:47:19.660 And I'll send it messages

00:47:20.640 and it feels just like talking to a person.

00:47:24.100 It's a little more complimentary

00:47:25.720 than most people would be, you know,

00:47:27.420 and it's a little more agreeable

00:47:28.600 than most people would be.

00:47:30.540 And I've specifically said, look, don't BS me.

00:47:33.720 Don't be too agreeable.

00:47:35.420 You can use sarcasm.

00:47:36.240 And you can actually tell it to have a bit of a personality.

00:47:41.720 But it is a lot like talking to a person.

00:47:44.400 So your concern about not interacting with human beings, I think that that's a real concern.

00:47:50.080 because this is, you know, these agents, these AI technologies, they're as bad as they're ever

00:48:00.020 going to be, right? If now they're convincing enough to seem like a person where you can

00:48:06.080 actually have a conversation, which I've had legitimate conversations, I ask a question about

00:48:10.280 something and will, you know, some idea, whether it be philosophy or cooking or what have you,

00:48:15.720 And the interaction, it feels like I'm talking to a person. And this is the worst it will ever be. It's only going to get more convincing. It's only going to get more human and more like another person.

00:48:30.200 And so I think that you're right to be concerned about, are people going to decide that they would prefer to engage with an AI than to engage with real people?

00:48:41.580 And I think for a lot of people, the answer is going to be yes, because again, like I said, it's a little more complimentary than I like.

00:48:47.800 I tend to, I think that that maybe makes me smell the inauthenticity of it or the inhumanity.

00:48:56.380 Yeah, that could be what it is.

00:48:58.400 And again, I've specifically told it not to be like that,

00:49:01.220 but it still kind of leans towards that.

00:49:03.820 So some people will probably reject that kind of stuff.

00:49:07.680 But I do think that you're right to kind of point at that particular issue.

00:49:14.140 And I think that that's something that we're going to have to figure out a way to deal with.

00:49:18.480 I'm not sure what the answer is. 0.87

00:49:20.060 We probably share going by your content online is the threat of the commies taking over these AI systems.

00:49:27.200 Because they are just algorithms at the end of the day.

00:49:29.860 So they can only give you out what has been put in.

00:49:33.900 And so if what has been put in is heavily biased

00:49:36.360 towards a left-wing communist agenda,

00:49:39.360 then people who rely on AI as an authority

00:49:42.240 are going to be indoctrinated naturally.

00:49:45.440 Particularly if you're using an AI that if...

00:49:47.960 So like I said, I use a program called Open Claw

00:49:51.400 and that's the agent.

00:49:54.200 But if you're just using, say, ChatGPT,

00:49:57.200 or if you're just using, you know, Claude, you know, whatever, whatever version you prefer,

00:50:04.360 they are not the same, right? My, my agent knows me. So when I set it up, I was like,

00:50:12.460 these are the things that I think. And basically I just ended up talking to it about things that

00:50:16.500 I think. And, and I went through, you know, a lot of my personal opinions and stuff. And so

00:50:21.940 it's not particularly woke right like it doesn't provide me with information that that is always

00:50:31.340 the approved information because i trained it like that when you go to just the browser and

00:50:38.120 you type into chat gpt without that that uh the filter of the the open claw and and there will

00:50:44.940 be other filters out there that you can use but um if you're going just directly to the source

00:50:50.600 They are very heavily biased to the left. I haven't actually used a lot of Grok, but I hear that Grok is better about it. I think if you're heavily opinionated towards the right, you might still consider Grok to be kind of left-leaning, but I think that speaks more about the user's opinions and preferences than Grok as an AI model.

00:51:17.760 But if you're kind of a center person and you look at the things that, say, ChatGPT produces or Claude produces, those are heavily left-wing bias.

00:51:29.180 I think my biggest concern is the fact that China is making AI models that are open source and not free, but they can be cheaper than some of the U.S. models. 0.58

00:51:44.860 And that, to me, is a significant threat to, at least to the United States and probably to the West more broadly, because China has no compunction with using technology to gain either an advantage or to try to sway a population.

00:52:04.820 So I think that I agree with you, you know, about the concerns about what information you're getting from the USAIs. 0.72

00:52:13.720 But I think that China is probably a more clear and present danger because the AI race is it's a real thing.

00:52:20.500 And just today I saw that, like, for instance, the state of New York has put a moratorium on building data centers. 0.62

00:52:29.740 And so right now, the left is trying to prevent people from expanding AI, and they're using the argument that it hurts workers.

00:52:39.580 But in my heart of hearts, I don't believe they want to prevent AI from being developed.

00:52:44.360 I think they want to prevent AI that they don't control from being developed.

00:52:49.240 Yeah, which is a concern because obviously most of the AI companies, which are public-facing at least, are left-leading.

00:52:56.260 I think Elon Musk is the only one that's a centrist.

00:52:58.140 and i do use grok and i do find it argumentative uh and also it often provides additional context

00:53:06.060 that i don't need like it editorializes if i ask a straight up question it will give me the facts

00:53:10.300 but they'll say but don't think this because you know it's not the jews that kind of thing

00:53:14.980 it's like it's always giving you a bit of there's always a bit of extra in there that i didn't need 0.61

00:53:19.400 and i think that that's going to be part of the problem but you're right there is a race there is

00:53:23.760 an AI race it's almost like a cold war because if America wins it or if China wins it the world

00:53:30.340 is going to be different after that and this is not just for the modular AI we're using now it's

00:53:34.760 also for the singularity which will be probably developed in our lifetimes so everything is going

00:53:40.140 to change again which brings me back to the start of our conversation in that prior to the internet

00:53:47.360 prior to smartphones we all knew what was ordinary we knew what was normal we knew what was good

00:53:51.880 and life took a certain pace, a certain cycle.

00:53:55.660 But over the last few decades,

00:53:58.560 everything has been so rapidly changing

00:54:00.500 that people can't catch their breath.

00:54:02.800 People can't catch up.

00:54:04.240 The world is changing too fast.

00:54:06.260 The world has always changed fast

00:54:07.520 from a local perspective, from a hyper-local perspective.

00:54:10.800 But zooming out, the world is changing so rapidly

00:54:13.200 that how are we ever going to become normal again?

00:54:16.100 How are we ever going to get past a situation

00:54:17.820 of constant politics, constant technology,

00:54:21.040 like is the secret just to put these in a box get married have children and do things offline

00:54:28.780 be in the real world i'm i think that it's important to do things in the real world

00:54:36.700 um a lot so i don't know that i don't i wouldn't recommend people not use technology or use these

00:54:43.500 technologies but i do think that it's important to put them down for a time um you know i assume

00:54:50.840 that a significant portion of your viewers

00:54:54.240 are probably fairly religious.

00:54:55.700 And I think that that's a very, very good thing.

00:54:57.440 I think religion is very good for people

00:55:00.480 if you're not particularly religious.

00:55:02.420 Meditation, I think just sitting

00:55:04.160 and I'm not an earthy, crunchy guy

00:55:07.380 and a guy that thinks that meditation

00:55:09.140 is gonna give you magic powers or anything like that.

00:55:11.240 But like, I do think that sitting

00:55:13.040 and not thinking, not letting your mind wander

00:55:16.480 and just get wrapped up in all these thoughts

00:55:19.180 and just kind of trying to focus on just sitting there, right?

00:55:24.000 You know, I think that, you know,

00:55:25.920 from a religious perspective,

00:55:27.540 prayer is probably good.

00:55:29.560 I think that there's probably similarities

00:55:31.780 in meditation and prayer.

00:55:34.360 But again, like, I don't want to sound

00:55:36.600 like I'm some kind of earthy, crunchy guy

00:55:38.180 because I'm the furthest thing from it.

00:55:40.000 And when you start talking about meditation,

00:55:42.600 people tend to make assumptions about,

00:55:45.860 you know, he's just, you know,

00:55:46.860 he's probably some pot smoker.

00:55:47.960 I don't smoke pot, I promise.

00:55:49.180 Um, but, uh, but yeah, like, I think that, that spending time in reality is, is important.

00:55:56.060 I think that, you know, spending time with family, spending time with people is extremely

00:56:00.660 important.

00:56:01.220 And, and as much as, you know, I am wrapped up in, in the, uh, you know, in the virtual

00:56:06.620 world in, in, on the internet a lot, I'm on Twitter or X all the time and stuff.

00:56:11.520 Um, you know, I, I do have a kid and I, you know, and, and I have a family that I spend

00:56:17.100 a lot of time with and do normal people things. And I think that that kind of helps to ground you

00:56:21.860 and it's particularly important for, for young people. I know that it's hard to, to make friends

00:56:26.140 and stuff, but if you have, if you have friends that are online that you're close to get together

00:56:31.100 in real life, you know, do things, whether it be go hiking or, you know, just do normal people

00:56:37.340 things if you can. Um, because that, that brings you back from that constant, I guess, constant,

00:56:45.080 dopamine hit thing that you get from the internet. And it allows you to think about the early,

00:56:53.820 it allows you to acknowledge the fact that the internet, while it's real when you're in there,

00:57:00.660 it feels like it's not actually the real world. Like if you interact with people on the internet,

00:57:05.160 right, and then you go and you interact with people in the real world, it's totally different.

00:57:09.560 you know no no person is going to say to you no person that you don't know is going to say to you

00:57:16.080 the things that someone that you don't know will say to you on the internet it just doesn't happen

00:57:20.260 go touch some grass and shoot some guns or something yeah yeah yeah absolutely phil you've

00:57:27.900 touched on that you've uh kind of inferred um and touched around the subject but i want to ask you

00:57:33.620 head on what is your faith background like how did you how were you raised what's your connection

00:57:39.300 with the faith now i was raised catholic i was an altar boy i was baptized catholic uh

00:57:45.300 made my first communion um and i i have i still consider myself kind of agnostic um

00:57:54.260 but there's i i see the value in religion so much that it it makes me question whether

00:58:01.220 whether i am agnostic um because the the all of the important stuff in life was kind of figured

00:58:12.660 out a few thousand years ago and and you know um i do think that the that the the family structure

00:58:23.780 that was kind of laid out in in in the in the in the religion in your you know your christian

00:58:29.700 religions really does produce the best kind of societies for people for human flourishing

00:58:36.540 um and when you get so much right now people love to point out the the failures of the church

00:58:45.720 whenever you bring up the positive things of the church they're like oh well this bad thing the

00:58:49.000 church did this bad thing the truth thing and i i i can't i don't find those arguments compelling

00:58:54.560 because you're saying the bad things that humans did in the name of God,

00:59:01.420 but that's not what, you know, that's not what God said.

00:59:06.020 You know what I mean?

00:59:06.480 Like people say, they'll come up with any number of criticisms.

00:59:11.140 And like any other organization, right, that human beings are running,

00:59:17.940 there will be bad results sometimes.

00:59:21.720 There will be, you know, terrible things that, that do, but, or that are done, but that's because of the humans, right? That's not because of the messages that are, that are, that are sent from, you know, specifically in, in, in this context, in the Bible, right? Like the, the, especially when you're talking about Christians, right? Like Christians that focused on, focused on the teachings of Christ.

00:59:45.260 Like, it's really hard to come up with a bad thing, you know, when you're focusing on, on living a Christ-like life, right? It's really hard to say, oh, that Jesus guy, he was, he was a prick. 0.99

00:59:59.600 You know what I mean? It just wasn't. The entire teachings of Christianity are to be selfless, to be of service, to not allow your insecurities and your vanity and your human impulses to control you and try to live in a Christ-like way. 0.98

01:00:27.860 like there's nothing bad about that. So people can criticize the church or they can criticize

01:00:33.680 religion, but everybody finds it real hard to, to criticize Christ. And so I think that that,

01:00:40.220 you know, to, to honestly say that I was religious or that I was, that I was, that I'm a believer,

01:00:48.800 I would have to actually, I feel like I have to actually believe and I don't know,

01:00:52.840 which is probably why i say agnostic because i i you know i don't know and i'm i'm nowadays i kind

01:01:00.420 of am starting to think that maybe even people that say they're believers uh don't actually know

01:01:07.520 and they're just relying on faith and i i guess it's just that i don't have faith and and and

01:01:13.800 i i would i would like to be able to say that someday i do but i you know i'm not sure that

01:01:20.000 how I get to the point where I feel like I do. And I feel like if I said that I did,

01:01:23.900 I would just be lying to people and I don't want to do that. So I'm, I'm very fond of,

01:01:29.780 of the Catholic church. I'm very fond of Christians. I'm very fond of the Christian

01:01:33.240 religion. Um, but for myself, I don't think that I have faith and without faith, I think that,

01:01:40.000 that, that any, any, if I were to say that I, I did, or I was a Christian, I think I'd be,

01:01:45.560 be lying and i don't want to i don't want to i don't want to you know start a religious journey

01:01:51.140 on a lie you know what i mean we're all on a journey and that's a good word to use because

01:01:55.440 none of us are at the end goal uh but it sounds like you you're at least open to the idea uh but

01:02:00.940 i think a lot of that will come from your childhood and having having been raised catholic

01:02:04.980 you've kind of got a foundation to fall back upon and i think you're right to point out also that

01:02:09.960 you know christ being the perfect person very hard to find something wrong with him and his

01:02:13.320 teachings but it's not the same for all faiths and all religions you know no it's not i think 1.00

01:02:18.060 islam is probably bad for the west because there's a lot a lot in islam that is bad whereas

01:02:22.780 christianity i think is generally good and so to flip this onto a question i'm curious 1.00

01:02:27.920 will you give your son a similar background to what you had growing up

01:02:32.100 uh we we want to get him baptized um i've spoken to my sister about being his godmother

01:02:38.800 um you know uh so i do want to have a uh you know i do want him to have some kind of religious

01:02:46.700 foundation i went to catholic school until i was in seventh grade and stuff so i don't know that

01:02:50.860 he's going to have quite the same um religious background that that i did um we intend to

01:02:56.760 homeschool because i don't want to put my kid into government schools um so you know i don't

01:03:02.400 think that it'll be the same um but i do think that uh i do i do think that the the foundation

01:03:10.200 that i got um is is something that has made me an emotionally healthier person

01:03:18.860 because of the you know the values that were instilled in me and and they're they are you

01:03:25.760 know the christian values so i i that's something that i do want uh i want you to have i want i

01:03:30.800 I want them to have that kind of foundation.

01:03:34.800 I want them to have that kind of understanding

01:03:36.680 that there is right, there is wrong,

01:03:39.100 and if you think about it,

01:03:42.560 there is a pretty stark difference between the two.

01:03:45.880 Well, I'm always around, Phil.

01:03:47.180 You've got my information.

01:03:48.080 If you ever want to have a chat about that faith bit,

01:03:50.580 the bit that you say is missing,

01:03:51.800 always happy to help you explore that.

01:03:53.280 And I'm sure you've got a good Catholic church near you as well

01:03:55.540 that you're always welcome to walk into.

01:03:57.680 You have a parish that is praying for you.

01:03:59.540 You know that, right?

01:04:00.000 everyone around the country belongs to a parish parish priest is praying for people in their

01:04:04.620 areas and that's important so just let them know that your son is is has been born and that they

01:04:09.580 can pray for your son too and hopefully that will start him on that journey towards faith

01:04:13.480 phil i've been to i've even been to mass recently you have got me uh yeah there's a there's a latin

01:04:19.080 mass in in my area that that we've gone to a few times it was it was really really an enjoyable

01:04:25.760 experience. And it's kind of surprised me how much I enjoyed it, seeing as I don't speak any

01:04:30.680 Latin. But it felt very authentic and felt far more... I don't know that I have the word to

01:04:42.200 describe it. It just felt very compelling and I really enjoyed it. And we've gone to mass a few

01:04:49.940 time so like i said it is something that that you know i'm i'm working on and i'm i'm pursuing i

01:04:55.780 guess i'm like i said i'm kind of on a i guess i'm kind of on a journey so i'm a big proponent

01:05:00.500 of the latin mass just because it's the mass that's been celebrated all throughout the church

01:05:03.940 history so it's kind of like we're praying alongside all the other christians that have

01:05:07.860 gone before us and it's transcendental it lifts us up it's even if you don't know the language

01:05:12.580 especially if you don't know the language because it's like it's not about you it's not about your

01:05:15.600 experience it's about someone bigger than us and we're connecting with him and it's otherworldly

01:05:19.920 in a good way that spirituality and i like that you mentioned meditation earlier because the same

01:05:24.620 thing is like taking yourself out of it for a minute yeah the the one one of the things that

01:05:30.800 that really kind of struck me about uh about the latin mass is you go to some churches and and

01:05:37.220 this is probably something that that you get with more protestants here in the u.s um but they they

01:05:43.160 feel like they're trying to modernize and trying to it's almost like they're trying to sell

01:05:48.680 something and the latin mass does not feel like that at all it feels like this is what it is and

01:05:54.460 and this is what it you know take it or leave it you know but this is this is what this is how

01:06:00.440 we've been celebrating mass for 2 000 years or whatever and and this is the way that it's actually

01:06:05.940 supposed to be done you go to you go to some churches and or yeah and and it just seems like

01:06:11.980 you know i've made this joke on irl a few times like if you walk into a church and there's a drum

01:06:16.780 kit turn around and leave right there should not be a drum kit and the organ's fine but like you

01:06:22.820 know the the the way that a lot of uh not to throw shade but the way that a lot of protestant

01:06:28.580 churches are in the u.s i'm they don't feel like like church to me it feels like uh like like

01:06:35.380 they're missing something like and and i think that the the catholics generally still have it

01:06:41.340 right and i think that the uh the the latin mass is is the most compelling uh spiritual experience

01:06:50.300 that i've had uh since i was a child so yeah i think obviously we are both very anti-communist

01:06:55.960 but one of the pitfalls of capitalism is that everyone's always trying to sell you something

01:06:59.540 and church shouldn't be that experience with the rest of the world is trying to sell you something

01:07:03.700 church shouldn't have to because the truth stands up by itself and that's the beauty

01:07:07.440 of the latin mass and phil where can people find you online where can they find your music

01:07:11.240 where can they find out more about you uh you can follow me on x i am at phil that remains uh the

01:07:17.260 band is called all that remains you can check us out on apple music amazon music pandora youtube

01:07:21.260 spotify and deezer uh you can go to our website all that remains online.com and if you want to

01:07:26.880 read some more kind of anti-communist things or just the things that i think about you can go to

01:07:31.200 my patreon that's patreon.com slash phil that remains phil labonte thank you very much god

01:07:36.440 bless you. Thank you very much for your time. America will either have Christ or it will have

01:07:43.620 chaos. For years, conservatives believed that Trump could reverse America's decline. But after Trump,

01:07:51.240 the right is now fractured, exhausted, and losing ground. Endless infighting and electoral losses

01:07:58.520 have exposed a deeper problem that politics alone cannot solve. A nation that rejects Christ 0.61

01:08:06.180 cannot be restored by mere personalities, grandstanding, or Christless conservatism.

01:08:14.200 So NXR Studios' first annual conference, America After Trump, brings together pastors, politicians,

01:08:22.700 commentators, and Christians that are committed to strength, cooperation, and a durable future

01:08:29.120 for the American right. Complaining is not a strategy, and despair cannot be an option.

01:08:36.180 Christ is King. Let's live like it.

01:08:49.160 And before we move to the next section, let's pray the grace together.

01:08:52.420 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ and the love of God and the fellowship of the Holy Ghost

01:08:56.640 be with us all evermore. Amen.

01:08:59.940 Now let's take a look at the comments.

01:09:02.080 These are the comments from the episode with Ben Pyle and Sarah Gonzalez.

01:09:06.180 Thank you, first of all, for leaving comments.

01:09:08.380 I love seeing the audience interaction.

01:09:10.800 I love that two-way communication we've got going on.

01:09:12.760 Keep it coming.

01:09:13.880 I'm going to go from the top down on the YouTube comments.

01:09:17.460 Place to keep videos.

01:09:19.240 Good name there.

01:09:20.220 It says, more people need to see this.

01:09:22.520 Thank you.

01:09:22.880 I agree.

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01:09:30.760 Pam Collins said, fantastic conversation.

01:09:33.280 Thank you, Pam.

01:09:33.800 We do try.

01:09:34.380 these are important topics but i try to get good guests as well to talk about these important

01:09:38.620 topics because it makes it all the more entertaining as well as informative showbiz sam says i'd love

01:09:46.540 to be a father to the children i created unfortunately i was misdiagnosed by a doctor

01:09:51.460 and this caused me to have a nervous breakdown oh no i will never see them again and i'm sitting

01:09:56.380 here constantly considering taking my own life i wish someone would help me get back in touch

01:10:02.780 with the woman and three children that i love oh showbiz sam you've had a few replies to that let's

01:10:10.060 just see if anyone's helping you yep you've got prayers for healing you've got advice you've got

01:10:15.480 encouragement so let me just add to that in that we're praying for you too showbiz sam and dads have

01:10:21.500 it difficult uh especially when there's a separation the courts do tend to favor mothers

01:10:26.320 whether they're good mothers or not and uh i'm sorry that you've been misdiagnosed and i'm sorry

01:10:32.120 that that's caused a nervous breakdown and it sounds like one bad thing after another.

01:10:36.180 I hope you get to see your children again and I hope you are healthy and I hope you're well

01:10:40.860 enough to see your children again. I would recommend seeking proper legal advice as well

01:10:45.760 as proper counselling as well. Pop into your local church if you have a good traditionalist

01:10:53.260 Catholic church around you. Go and speak to your priest as well, your pastor there. Get some

01:10:57.820 support and and there's nothing wrong with leaving a comment like this but you know we are not your

01:11:05.100 church as in we are a community and we love you but we're not there for you in real life you need

01:11:10.120 people that are there for you in real life it's important when you're going through something

01:11:13.020 difficult and so do reach out to your friends your family and your priest and your local church

01:11:18.520 and make sure you are part of an active living community that can support you and that you can

01:11:24.460 support in turn too that's so important not just for you but for them because charity is a gift

01:11:30.620 of grace and so receiving charity is good but giving it back is also good and so yeah i'm here

01:11:36.560 for you and i hope you get the support you need showbiz some paul d mckee said there's only one

01:11:43.460 way to reverse course what is that don't be vague paul d mckee let us know what you think the way

01:11:51.160 to reverse course is colette says totally agree with everything you and your guests concluded

01:11:56.400 dear calvin the most dark and evil stain on humanity humanity for me is the mass murder

01:12:02.340 of innocent and defenseless babies in the womb demonic and devastating bang on the money there

01:12:09.220 it is the darkest and most evil stain on humanity that we are murdering en masse innocent and

01:12:17.480 defenseless babies it's horrible what we're allowing to go on and we have a super chat from

01:12:22.640 lester caters 774 who said thanks thank you god bless you i appreciate your support and your

01:12:30.020 encouragement uh we have one here from miss phoenix who said thank you father for another

01:12:36.620 inspiring show thank you miss phoenix charles todd said thank you lester said truth d said it's

01:12:45.200 so sad there is a lot of sadness but we have to still try our best to find the joy we really do

01:12:51.340 because the world seems to get darker every day and we have to be the light and we can't be the

01:12:55.480 light if we only see darkness imperial aquila says feminism kill count dear lord in heaven

01:13:04.420 you are right especially if you count abortions and potential children lost thanks to freedom 1.00

01:13:09.980 from family. It could be in the billions. It is. It is. It's a heavy toll that we have to bear

01:13:16.760 in modernity that we have allowed our women to kill an entire generation of people and we can

01:13:25.120 only hope and pray that those babies are somehow in heaven but they should have been given the 0.92

01:13:31.000 chance to live here on earth. White said why protect women that don't want children? Our job 0.98

01:13:37.360 as men is to protect women, to protect women and children, not just the good ones, but

01:13:41.000 all of them. We are the providers and protectors. And we as men need to step up and tame the

01:13:46.920 women, bring them back in line. They have run roughshod. They've taken over. We live 1.00

01:13:51.000 in a matriarchy. Women have to know their place again, but so do men. And that means 1.00

01:13:54.740 leading. That means providing. That means protecting. And that means the small stuff,

01:13:58.620 like being a gentleman, standing up when a woman joins you at the table, holding the 0.94

01:14:02.120 door open for her, carrying the groceries so she doesn't have to. Small stuff like that. 0.88

01:14:06.320 and then the big stuff that when the girls are being raped and when the women are being dragged

01:14:10.380 around the streets we have to be there to stop it by any means necessary dim na connell said

01:14:18.680 the climate change in the world today is man created the lust for power and money has warped

01:14:23.880 men's minds bill gates recently came out and said climate change is no longer the problem we feared

01:14:28.800 because our ai mega data centers require vast amounts of energy which cannot be solved by

01:14:35.760 green energy so it's back to oil, gas, and nuclear. You're onto something there. All these people have

01:14:40.620 been shilling for the climate crisis for so long. To make money from the green agenda, from net zero,

01:14:45.780 it's all about money, whether it's wind turbines, solar panels, or new boilers, or new stoves, it's

01:14:52.620 all about money. They're no longer peddling that line, are they? Because they know that they need

01:14:57.620 to build these data centers everywhere, and you can't build data centers and be green. It's

01:15:01.600 impossible and so they're backtracking on their green agenda in order to push their ai agenda

01:15:06.280 these shills absolutely and he goes on but you can read that comment on the post uh 0.51

01:15:12.640 imperial says reparations are indeed in order from communists islam and especially zionist 0.94

01:15:19.820 edamites such as the rothschilds to the rest of the world for all the collective damage they have 0.99

01:15:24.800 caused yeah if there's any reparations they're the ones we should be seeking and i am gracie said 1.00

01:15:32.620 this that has to be the stupidest fallacy in the internet i'm guessing you're a feminist love it's 1.00

01:15:38.480 not a fallacy women are killing more human beings than men have ever killed in any war famine plague 0.99

01:15:44.560 pestilence combined it's not a fallacy it's a fact stop it and stop apologizing for it 0.84

01:15:50.220 Red Pill Groyper said, 0.98

01:15:51.420 every abortion is a murder. 1.00

01:15:53.280 Spot on. 1.00

01:15:54.520 We need to stop the murder. 0.98

01:15:55.920 Tally Wacker Jones said,

01:15:57.180 hey, most of them don't count.

01:15:58.980 Don't know what that means.

01:16:00.960 Trio said, bad title.

01:16:02.980 Apologies for that.

01:16:03.800 Trio, we will try to do a better title next time.

01:16:07.500 And True Bleu,

01:16:09.500 Bleu, B-L-E-U, French style,

01:16:12.240 said, yes, sir.

01:16:14.600 Thank you all for those lovely comments.

01:16:16.420 Appreciate you guys.

01:16:17.380 You are the best.

01:16:18.480 I mean that.

01:16:19.660 Now, let's end with today's prayer.

01:16:22.820 In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. Amen.

01:16:26.460 May the venerable intercession of the glorious Virgin Mary come to our aid.

01:16:30.520 We pray thee, O Lord, so that, fortified by her protection,

01:16:34.360 we may reach the mountain which is Christ,

01:16:36.680 who liveth and reigneth with thee in the unity of the Holy Spirit,

01:16:39.940 ever one God, world without end. Amen.

01:16:42.820 In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. Amen.

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The NXR Podcast - July 16, 2026

The Next Crusade - Fr Calvin Robinson on Catholic vs Protestant Wars & the Greater Battle

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