THE SERMON - How To Love Your Pastor | Hebrews 13_7-19 Pastor Brian Sauvé
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Hebrews 13:7-19 What does it mean to be a King? Is there a King among Kings? What role does the Bible say about King Jesus in relation to kingship? How does the book of Hebrews tell us about the role of King Jesus as a High Priest, Priest, and King in the world?
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five-star review on your favorite podcast platform. Thanks. Thank you, Pastor Webin,
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if you would. Turn with me to Hebrews chapter 13. Hebrews chapter 13, and we'll be considering
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verses 7 as well as 17 through 19 this morning. And as you're turning there, let me briefly orient
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you in the book of Hebrews. The book of Hebrews is really all about one thing, though it says
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many, many things and many glorious things. It's really about one main thing and that is that Jesus
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Christ is greater than all of his forerunners and he's better than all of his rivals. He's ruling
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the cosmos from the right hand of the father as our great prophet, priest, and king and that as
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our great prophet, priest, and king having thrown down all of his enemies he is sending his people
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out into the world to conquer a new Canaan, which is every nation for his glory. So that's the heart
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of the book of Hebrews. Christ is better. Christ has conquered all of his enemies, fade before him,
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all of his forerunners, though they were great, great prophets, great priests, great kings. Christ
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is better than all of them. He's the substance that all of them were pointing to. He's the
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substance that was casting the shadow that all of them really were. And so now he's making this
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new humanity in his own image. And he's making those people, the father's making those people
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through unity with Christ, union with Christ in the holy places. And as his representatives on
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earth, he's transforming his people and sending them out to do his work, to convert the nations,
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to disciple the nations, baptize the nations. And maybe one of the things that you might think
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if you understand that message is, okay, Christ is, he's the better prophet. He speaks forth
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the word of God. In the former times, God spoke through various mouthpieces, but now he speaks
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through his son and he's the better high priest. The old high priest died and they had to be
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replaced? Well, Christ is a high priest after the order of Melchizedek. He never dies. He lives to
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make intercession for us forever. There were good kings. There's David, the man after God's own heart,
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and he ruled over the people. And yet Christ is the true king. He's the king of kings. He's the
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one who never dies and lives and reigns forever. And so as we go out into this great mission that
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God has sent us to accomplish, one of the wrong ideas that we might draw from that
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central message of the book of Hebrews is, well then, as we go out, we're basically going to be
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this great big egalitarian lump. We no longer need any human rulers or leaders or nobody needs
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to speak forth the word of God. Nobody needs to command like a king. Nobody needs to, in a priestly
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way, remind you of God's grace. In fact, we're a kingdom of priests. Now we're all priests.
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And there's an aspect of that that's glorious and true. But if you really stop there, you'd
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be completely muddling it. That's not how God operates at all. He's not just the king,
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he's the king of kings, right? And he appoints leaders in his church to go out and to organize
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and lead and send and he gives them true authority and real authority. And so at the end of the book
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in Hebrews 13, what the author does is he begins to turn and apply the text, as Pastor Webin just
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so eloquently put it. He begins to apply the text and he tells the Hebrew Christians how to do many
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things, how to relate to one another in the church, to strangers, to marriage, to money. But in the
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sections that we're looking at this morning and focusing particularly on, verse 7 and then verses
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17 through 19, in light of that, the author of Hebrews is going to orient this new humanity
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to her earthly and human leaders within the church, elders and pastors and those who speak
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to the people of God, the word of God. Because as we go out, there are going to be subunit
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commanders. They're going to be pastors. There are going to be men in the church that God has
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commanded for the allegiance of the church to be given and honor to be given. So we're going to
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talk about what that looks like this morning. Pastor Webin bribed me to preach on this this
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morning. He said, please tell everybody to listen. I'm just kidding. He didn't say that at all.
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I picked this sermon. I didn't really ask him for permission on it. He just said, preach a sermon
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from the Bible, I said, okay, I'll do this one. So let's look together at Hebrews chapter 13,
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verse 7, and then verse 17 through 19. And this is the word of the living God.
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Remember your leaders, those who spoke to you the word of God. Consider the outcome of their way of
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life and imitate their faith. Verse 17. Obey your leaders and submit to them, for they are keeping
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watch over your souls as those who will have to give an account. Let them do this with joy and
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not with groaning, for that would be of no advantage to you. Pray for us, for we are sure
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that we have a clear conscience desiring to act honorably in all things. I urge you the more
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earnestly to do this in order that I may be restored to you the sooner. Thus ends the reading
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of God's holy word may he write it on our hearts by faith and thanks be to God let's pray father
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we thank you for speaking to us authoritatively through your word through your son and we thank
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you that in your word you've not left us blind and wandering in the dark but that you have appointed
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and given to us everything needful for life and for holiness lord we thank you for the leaders
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that you've raised up in your church father we ask that you would raise up many more many many
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more godly and zealous leaders who would be clothed in humility who would have great compassion and
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tenderness towards your flock that you've purchased with your own blood men who would
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have a weightiness and feel the gravity of the charge that you've given to them in these people
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Lord men who would be bold and courageous and not shrink back from the battle
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Lord we pray that you would give your sheep humility and courage as well
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as they do battle with their own flesh and with the world and with the devil
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Lord we pray that you would teach us how to submit and honor our leaders
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Lord that you would teach us how to be a teachable people
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who would not be hard-hearted and stubborn and kick against your leadership, even through your
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people. Lord, we pray that you would give us patience as we know that all human leaders
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under Christ are clay-footed and have their own weakness. And so we thank you that Christ
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has none whatsoever, but that he rules and reigns even now, and it's in his name we pray. Amen.
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So as we make our way through this text, there are five specific instructions that I'd like to
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highlight and examine together commands that the author of Hebrews gives to us concerning the
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leaders that God has appointed in the church. And what the author of Hebrews is primarily,
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I believe, talking about here is the kind of leaders that Paul was establishing when he went
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to the island of Crete, and he's telling Titus, hey, Titus, you're going to go and you're going
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to appoint elders and establish congregations on this island, and you're going to see that
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right order is established and find men with these kind of qualifications and give them
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the charge and establish congregations, those elders and leaders that God has appointed to
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lead in his local church. The first instruction that he gives us is to remember your leaders.
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This is remember your leaders. And then he makes sure that we understand who it is he's talking
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about. Remember your leaders, but not just any leaders. The first half of verse seven reads,
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remember your leaders, those who spoke to you the word of God. Remember your leaders, those who spoke
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to you the word of God. See, one way that we could characterize the world that we live in
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is with a rhetorical question that the Lord Jesus Christ asked in Luke 6, 39. He said,
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can a blind man lead a blind man? Will not both fall into a pit? And it's a tragic picture.
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It's kind of a funny picture if you think about it. If you were to watch a blind man try to lead
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another blind man around a field full of holes, and I know we're not supposed to laugh, but
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it could be kind of funny. I mean, they would definitely fall in the hole. And the thing is,
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though, humanity in Adam is just one long succession and procession of blind guides
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leading blind men into various pits. Without the regenerating light of God's grace,
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mankind is spiritually morally politically epistemically blind we can't see what is real
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and true and good and beautiful rightly when we do see what is good and true we hate it we don't
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love it we hate it we fight against it and so of course one of the implications that we cannot rule
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or lead ourselves or others into green pastures and good futures but this blind humanity is also
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marked by an arrogant confidence that he sees quite clearly. Humanity in Adam is not a blind
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man who knows he's blind, but rather he's a blind man convinced of his great vision and wisdom
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and keen insight into things. So it's blind guides leading blind men into various pits
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with a high degree of confidence, with an extreme amount of confidence. In fact,
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selling courses on Twitter. Let me teach you how to activate your potential and fall into the
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biggest pit that you can possibly find. How to full send with high T right into the deepest
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possible pit that you can. And the thing is, all of us have this instinct in two directions. All
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of us have, on the one hand, a much higher degree of confidence than our competency and sight
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actually would justify. All of us, this is just pride. All of us do this. And I also mean this
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is something God is sanctifying out of us as people, even though I'm not saying that we're
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blind and that Christ opens eyes. He is truly a God who saves and heals and redeems. But what
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our pride says is, no, I know what I'm doing. I've got this. In fact, we look at everybody else,
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we say, man, what a bunch of grifters and idiots. They're all just trying to, you know, they're so
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confident. If they would all just listen to me, everything would be better. We also, though,
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at the same time, we have a deep desire to be led. So we all want to be the guide. We want to
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be out front. We want to say, follow me. But we all also, we're longing for somebody to tell us
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what to do. Why? Because we were created to be ruled by the King of Kings. We were created for
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worship we were created to follow our God and so we all have a desire for strong leadership
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history could also be told as an unbroken chain of men seizing leadership and stirring up
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followings to follow them into some glorious future that never quite manages to arrive but
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also of masses of people following those leaders and saying this is not going to be like all those
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other times. This is not going to be like all those other times. This time we're going to end
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up in utopia and glory. This is true of the great tyrants of history. This is the Pol Pots and
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Stalins and Mao's, but it's also true of a billion lesser tyrants all the way down to the town drunk
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who is following his own tyrannical and foolish heart into the gutter and into death. Everybody
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has this instinct in them. It's a God-given instinct to obey godly leadership twisted by sin
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so that we don't stop obeying, but we just obey fools. What cures blindness? Well, the scriptures
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are quite clear in their answer. New eyes is what you need. You need better lamps. The Lord Jesus
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gives new eyes along with new hearts. He said in John 9 39 that he came into the world that those
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who do not see may see, and those who see may become blind. There's both sides of that paradigm.
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Here are these men, these shepherds of Israel who say, we see quite clearly. In fact, we see so
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clearly, Jesus, that we can tell that you have a demon. They applied their considerable intellect
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to the problem and came to exactly the wrong conclusion. They were blind. They were going to
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fall into a pit. And Jesus came not to make them blind where they really saw, but to reveal the
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folly of their leaders that they were blind. But then as well, that men who were blind would come
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to him in faith, who would humble themselves and follow the true king, that they would see, they
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would be given new eyes. So many self-appointed leaders who claimed great spiritual wisdom and
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insight were proved blind by the coming of the light of the world. But many who were blind began
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end to see. God gives new eyes. And so confidently blind, Paul becomes humbly seeing Paul after the
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Lord is done with him and the scales fall away from his eyes. Those new eyes also need the lamp
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of God's word to see with new clarity. Psalm 119, 105 teaches us to sing. And there's this song that
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I remember all the way back to Sunday school at Washington Heights Baptist Church in South Ogden
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or Washington Terrace, Utah, and there was this Sunday school teacher I had.
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That's how I remember her, just one wrinkle all the way from top.
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She was a classic Baptist, just a classic old-school potluck,
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probably prayed more people into the kingdom of God from her prayer closet
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and she would sing in our like third grade little class there in a croaky little old lady voice and
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it still rings in my ears when I hear this thy word is a lamp unto my feet and a light unto my
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path thy word is a lamp unto my feet the light unto my path she would sing that and it's one
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of those things that wormed its way into my my mind and comes out all the time when I'm thinking
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about the folly of some of what joel was talking about earlier um that we would treat the word of
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god just as a springboard as quickly as possible to just get to how christ fulfills it all for us
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so we don't stop thinking about it well no it's a lamp it's a light and to what unto my path
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reminds me of ephesians 2 10 where paul says that god set good works before you
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So remember your leaders. Which leaders? Well, those leaders, not as the world defines leaders, those leaders not with homemade self-assured visions of grandeur, not with cheap plastic knockoffs that they came up with themselves, not really creative gurus with their new vision for church growth, but those who spoke the word of God.
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that buried that Psalm 119, 105 in my third great heart.
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Remember those leaders who have spoken the word of God
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Remember them with thankfulness and pray for them.
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And as you do so, number two, we read in verse seven
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that we are to consider the outcome of their way of life
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See, over and over again, the Lord told us that his kingdom, this kingdom that had arrived with
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his own arrival, would be utterly unlike the kingdoms of the world. That was one of the
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things he meant when he said, my kingdom is not of this world. My kingdom isn't of this world.
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It didn't find its playbook in the kings of Persia. Jesus didn't study politics at the empires
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of fallen men. He didn't come and say, well, I have all of the qualifications because
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I've read all about how Artaxerxes managed his court. And so I'm qualified. I'm ready to lead
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the executive branch here in Israel and take things over. No, the kingdom of God is not of
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this world, meaning its origins are elsewhere. It's a heavenly invasion. It's the way of the
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kingdom of God. It's the way of heaven invading earth, and so it will be marked by the economy
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of the elsewhere that is invading. It'll be marked by the economy of the leadership of God
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in heaven as it invades and conquers all of the sinful kingdoms of the world. Now, side note,
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I hope you're hearing that and not the perversion that many people, you know,
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mangle that verse with when they say that his kingdom's not of this world vote democrat
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his kingdom his kingdom's not of this world guys so so you know mask up love your neighbor
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it's not what it means just as a side note it's not of this world but it is invading and conquering
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and colonizing and transforming all of this world that's the whole point it's the stone that strikes
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the statue which becomes dust and the stone becomes a mountain that covers the earth as
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pastor wilson put it last night it's it's uh the end jesus reaching to the end of history
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and grabbing hold of resurrection and glory and bringing it there to the middle of history there
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it sprouts up and becomes a tree that swallows the whole world over and over again the lord told
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us that his kingdom would be unlike the kingdoms of this world listen to how he instructed his
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disciples this is matthew 20 25 to 28 he said you know that the rulers of the gentiles lorded over
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them, and their great ones exercise authority over them, shall not be so among you. But whoever
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would be great among you must be your servant, and whoever would be first among you must be your
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slave. Even as the Son of Man came not to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a
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ransom for many. See, the rulers of God's church are to be utterly unlike the rulers of the world.
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That's why the New Testament scriptures devote 99% of the qualifications for elders to godly
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character, not to gifting. This is why in our church, we spend an enormous amount of time
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assessing the character of elder candidates at refuge. Not a single elder in our church. I don't
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say this is like actually a good thing. This is just the times that we're in. But not a single
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elder in our church has an MDiv. Not one at refuge church. We have an elder candidate now. He might
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ruin our record, but not yet. And yet, I don't think that every elder on our team is disqualified
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because the MDiv isn't listed there in 1 Timothy 3 and Titus. It doesn't say that. It's not what
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it says. 99% is godly character. Are these the kind of men that I want the men of my church to
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be like? And are they qualified to teach? Those are the two things. And an MDiv could be very
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helpful that and theological education is very important and I'm not denigrating it whatsoever
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but it's instructions like Jesus gives in Matthew 20 to the church that render the life and
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qualification of an elder to be a very sobering thing that Jesus says the rulers and there are
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going to be rulers those who rule well Paul says are worthy of a double honor rule is not a bad
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word. Rule is a good word. We're allergic to authority in America, but we ought not
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be. Rule is a good thing. We want godly rule, therefore. It's a sobering thing who leads
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you because think about what Hebrews 13, 7, 17, and 19 are telling you. Well, this verse
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is commanding you to look at the way the elders of the church have set up their lives to see
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how their faith in the Word of God and the Son of God has impacted how they deal with
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marriage and money and child rearing and vocation and everything else and to imitate that same faith
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in the way that they set up your own life and that you set up your own life it doesn't just say
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listen to what they say and do what they say they should say to do good things too but that's not
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enough it says imitate the outcome of their way of life look at the way they're living now now live
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like they do. This means that the qualifications of elders really, really, really matters.
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It's one of the most important things that you can assess as you decide, will I submit myself
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and my family to these elders? Do I want to look like them? Do I want my sons to grow up
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like these men and look like them? Do I want my daughter to marry men like this?
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Those are the questions that you should be answering.
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And if you can't answer that question with yes, then you probably shouldn't be in that church.
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You probably should not be in that church if you can't answer that question with yes.
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Not so that you can be a really perfectionist, graceless, nitpicky, I saw them sin once, therefore I'm leaving.
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No, they're not omni-competent, therefore I'm leaving.
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One time the pastor said something that turned out to be an error from the pulpit.
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And he corrected it and said, yes, you're right.
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Or I have a theological disagreement with him somewhere on some downstream issue.
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No, no, I'm not talking about that kind of nitpickery.
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Only the Lord Jesus can stand up to the scrutiny of that kind of inspection, and he does.
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But if you can't answer yes to that kind of question, do I want to be like these men?
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Do I want my daughter to marry men like these men?
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Then you probably should not be in that church.
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So you don't want to be in a place where you're constantly having to disobey that command because they're not qualified.
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But Lord, I can't because they're foolish.
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I can't because look, look, look, look where it's going.
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qualifications matter you should feel free to ask the elders hard questions to assess them soberly
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to bring issues to be appropriately dealt with an elder's life and doctrine must be in harmony
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such that you can confidently imitate them as they imitate christ getting more specific about
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what this looks like number three obey your leaders and submit to them because they're
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keeping watch over your souls and doing so as those who will give an account. Verse 17, obey your
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leaders, submit to them for they are keeping watch over your souls as those who will have to give an
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account. This instruction tells us something about what elders are called to do and then what the
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church is called to do in response to what they are doing. The elders are called to keep watch over
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the souls of the people in such a way that they will be ready to give an account to god for how
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they shepherded the people and then on the other hand the people are called to obey them to submit
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to them which is very strong language it means the church is called to do what the elders say
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when they say to do this means do that when they say obey this you're to obey that when they get
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up and they preach and they say, God says to you, do this. It's not like a grab bag. You're like,
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you know, okay, I'll take that 60%. I really liked that. This other 30% really did. I'm an Enneagram
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wing seven, purple number five and wing seven, purple number fives. They don't have a personality
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to obey that command. He doesn't understand. I'm Irish, right? We, we beat our family members
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with objects. It's how we express our love. Well, no, the people are called to obey them.
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It means the church is called to do what they say.
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This is one of those verses that ought to make you tremble if you're a pastor.
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It makes me tremble to think that I will give an account to God for how I taught the Bible to my people for how I lead the church.
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I think of the task that the elders have at my church to our congregation like this.
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I constantly ask, did we point you to Christ again and again?
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did we clearly and boldly name sins not just sin generally but sins with names like the taxonomy
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of sin did we say this is not just a sin to be repented of generally but are you a liar are you
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a gossip do you disrespect your husband husbands do you refuse to lay your life down for your wife
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are you not raising your children in the discipline of the lord are you greedy are you selfish
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real sins are you a drunkard are you enslaved to your passions are you unself-controlled
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are you does your temper boil over are you given a fits of rage do you think the anger of man
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accomplishes the righteousness God requires like names uh sins with names did we clearly and boldly
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name them and call you to be ashamed of them and then drive you to the cross in the throne of God's
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mercy and grace for help in your time of need did we get the gospel right all of it gospel of the
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kingdom of God, from beginning to end, what it means, what it says? Did we faithfully teach what
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the Bible teaches, regardless of whether it would be popular or not? Did we do this with sexuality
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and marriage and child rearing and politics and money and everything else? Did we tell them the
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hard texts? Or did we do everything we could to soften them and make them more culturally
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appropriate and easy to hear. Every time we get to a text that our culture wouldn't like,
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do we spend the first 15 minutes of the sermon giving asterisks about why, you know, this text
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might be really hard for you. Did we do it in a really soft voice? This text might be really hard
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for you guys to hear because I know some of you carry deep wounds around wanting to sleep with
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people who aren't your spouse. I know you're really going to want to do that.
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And I just want you to know that the Lord, he sees that you're dust and he does not quench
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the smoldering flax. I'm drawing from memories of sermons that I feel like I sat through. Didn't
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we've all sat through these. No. Did we fear God and not the sheep? Or were we scared of the
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congregation? And we were scared of them, so we didn't tell them things that we thought would
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make some of them leave the church in anger. Because it's sometimes easy to attack cultural
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sins. That's easy. In a lot of our churches, hopefully in your church, it's easy for me to say
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feminism is evil. That we joke in our church, because maybe five, six sermons ago,
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I went off my notes for a second. I was like, you know, this is a good application here. Guys,
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you know, the 19th Amendment was a mistake. And then, all right, great. And then, you know,
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let's pray. And I didn't even explain it or asterisk. And nobody in the church was offended.
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I didn't even get one email. So in our church, I can say stuff like that, obviously, but it
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actually cuts both directions. What if I say to our church, hey, let's be gentle because you can
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sin by not being gentle. Let's be gentle. Are we being gentle in our speech?
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Hey, the Lord says not to speak crassly. Do we need to repent of that anywhere?
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See, the minister's job is very difficult because oftentimes, all the time, let's put it this way,
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he's looking in a mirror as he's preaching. He knows that he has clay feet. He knows he's a
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sinning. He's among the sheep and he's telling the sheep to repent. And so often, did he fear the
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sheep, including himself? Was he cowardly because he himself knows that he needs repentance in some
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of these areas? And the sermon study convicted him that week. Did he go and he said, I'm going
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to do my confessing and then I'm going to go do my preaching? Or did he shrink from it?
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so being frank with you being honest with you your church this church if you go to this church
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you're probably in a weird church um compared to 98 of churches around you our church is like that
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we're very weird compared to most churches around us i know that pastor webin knows that about
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your church. We do things very differently from most churches in our area. This church does
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things differently from most churches in its area. A lot of your churches are probably like that.
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You're maybe doing things differently from the places you grew up in. And I want you to know
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that this text and texts like it are why we end up being so weird. Because we do not want to stand
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before God and say, Lord, I know we didn't tell them that part of the Bible. We avoided it because
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people would have left. Our attendance would have been lowered. It would have affected giving, Lord.
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People would have been unhappy with us and would have disliked us. God forbid that your elders or
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your pastors would do that. So take it seriously when they say, obey this. And especially when it's
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an area that you look at, if you have a bold and courageous and godly pastor, he tells you something
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and you're like, that's just, that's not what I'm used to.
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Before you knee-jerk say, you know what, I actually decided I'm the Pope
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is my pastor actually telling me something that feels weird
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because the world is insane and so righteousness is going to be weird?
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or maybe do I need to ask them to expand and understand.
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But we approach our elders through the knee-jerk instinct to obey them
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The language this verse uses is that elders are called to keep a watch over your soul.
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And one of the things that means is that we're called to try to get up high enough
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to see what idols and snares the people in this flock are in danger of being ensnared by,
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and then bringing the scriptures to bear in pointing out that danger
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and calling you away from it and to Christ for his help and mercy.
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And so that means that pastors are called to say and preach and counsel hard things
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because it's precisely in those areas where the sheep are vulnerable to attack
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It's not enough to just bring the word of God to bear to the idols of our neighbors.
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with the idols that we're tempted to believe in.
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so pastors are trying all the time to get up high enough over the congregation to see here's an area
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where we've got sin growing there's some gossip over there growing in that group and and and
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maybe there's some there's some envy over here growing and and there's some there's some anger
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stewing over here and there's some there's some pornography issues stewing over there to get up
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high enough to see where those things are and then they're called to go you know the air war of the
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pulpit and drop you know strategic aimed missile fire at that camp that needs it and so sometimes
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they're sitting in the congregation and you're like is he talking about me right now and and
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one instinct your flesh will have is to say how dare he do that that was a private conversation
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it was a private conversation well two things first of all that's literally what the lord
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tells him to do. To shepherd you out of sin and into righteousness for the sake of Christ. And
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second, don't assume that he's just being passive aggressive and talking just to you, but was too
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cowardly to say it to your face. Some of the time when something comes up in a couple sermons in a
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row, the reason it does is because you don't see in his counseling meetings that he just met with
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10 families in the last month and counseled all of them the same thing. You know what we're dealing
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with in this church today, we have women who are not respecting their husbands. So you know what
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we're going to hear in a lot of sermons? Women, respect your husbands. We got a lot of men who
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are looking at pornography. You know what you're going to hear a lot? Men. Fornicators don't inherit
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the kingdom of God. That's what you're going to hear, right? So your pastors are trying to see and
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then meet the need that they see pastorally. So when your pastor exhorts you to repentance and
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faith to obey the scriptures. Have an attitude of eager readiness to obey and follow. Be Bereans,
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search the scriptures, but don't be stubborn and unteachable. Don't be proud. Be skeptical of your
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own resistance before you give into it, because your pastors are called to keep watch over your
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very souls. And a word on that, I mention it in passing, but I do believe that one of the pitfalls
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that we will be tempted to fall into is in this area of authority and submission and respect.
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Because in our culture, have our leaders, generally speaking in America,
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given us great reason to deeply respect their character?
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Our default assumption in state-level and national-level leadership, politically speaking,
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is to just assume that if someone's there at the top,
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Okay, so that's the background culture that we're in.
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Now, ecclesiastically speaking, in the church, does the church tend to have a problem with respectable, bold, courageous, truth-telling leaders?
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Yes, I think that's a big problem in the church today.
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So one of the things that can happen is that we can develop a knee-jerk instinct to begin to disrespect the office itself and authority itself.
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And we can begin to develop a defense mechanism whereby we are unteachable.
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And so then maybe you get a good leader and a good pastor, but you still have this instinct with you.
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And the first time that he disagrees with you and tells you to do something, you didn't want to do it.
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Your instinct is still there to say, over my dead body.
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We haven't been discipled well to respect authority because we've had disrespectable authority in many, many cases.
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But we need to cultivate in our hearts that once we've done the hard work of getting ourselves and our families into that place where we have godly leaders, that we would respect them.
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This is why one of the reasons in our church that we encourage our people to address their leaders by saying things like,
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Pastor Burkholder, Deacon Garrett, can I ask you a question?
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Not because, because there's another ditch where men love titles and Jesus rebuked that, he excoriated that.
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But there's an opposite ditch that we have tended to fall into in our culture,
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where we do not have a culture of respect of leaders and authority.
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And so we've tried in our church, and hopefully over the generations,
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we will develop a tradition of respectable authority such that this becomes easier.
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But to say, Pastor Khan, can I ask you a question?
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to address our elders and our pastors respectfully
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to let them do their work with joy, not with groaning,
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Let them do this with joy and not with groaning, for that would be of no advantage to you.
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Be the kind of sheep who are a joy to shepherd.
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What advantage would it be to you to continually fight the local church elders?
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Let me try to give you some very practical instruction on ways that you can obey this.
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Unless the Lord builds the house, the laborers labor in vain.
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Pray that God would bless the work of their hands and their teaching.
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Approach your pastors when you have an issue directly and privately with your issue.
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Don't put up passive-aggressive Facebook posts directed at nobody in particular
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that are obviously directed at somebody in particular.
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You know, don't send in anonymous and vague criticisms
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through an untraceable email account you made on Proton.
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Don't gossip about the elders to other families.
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Well, you know, I've really had this issue with Pastor So-and-So's teaching this Sunday.
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And, you know, I've noticed that his kids on Sundays, one of them, you know, bumped into an old lady and didn't even say excuse me and says clearly failing in family worship.
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Be brave and not cowardly and come and talk to your leaders if you have an issue.
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See, how many I can think, I mean, I can in my head inventory families or people have left our church over the last 12 months.
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And in nearly every case, the reason was not because of a theological disagreement.
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The reason was because of festering refusal to obey these simple commands of loving one another.
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Instead of approaching my elder with an issue that I had and asking him directly first,
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I let it grow up in my heart into a root of bitterness.
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I talked to five other people about it, never to them.
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And so the first time I scheduled a meeting was to say, I'm leaving the church and here's 17 reasons why.
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Don't do that even if your pastor's not the best, even if you really do end up leaving the church.
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Don't do it like that because you'll be sinning.
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If your wife, if you start hearing this from your wife, I just, I really didn't like what Pastor so-and-so said.
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You stop me and say, let's talk about that.
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If I can clear it up right there as a husband, clear it up, great.
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But if not, right away, as quickly as is reasonably possible.
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So I need to say, you know what, let's go talk directly to them.
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And then, Pastor, you know, Monday morning you give them a call.
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Don't do the, I'd like to talk about something.
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You know, you said this in the sermon, and you don't have to answer right now,
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Maybe you're going to be the means of helping them see that.
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Maybe it's an offense you're going to be able to cover.
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Maybe it's something that really will lead to, you know what, we can't fellowship here.
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and so we're going to seek to peacefully transfer our membership somewhere that we can.
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Say one of your leaders is teaching the scriptures,
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and you disagree with an application of this doctrine or that.
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That's okay. There's room for disagreement in the local church about lots of things.
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But be sure that you're disagreeing on the basis of the Scriptures, not on the basis of your emotions, thoughts, intuitions.
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Be ready to be corrected by the Scriptures, by your leaders, because all of us are to submit together to the Word of God.
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I would say as well, be present and active in the regular means of grace in the ministry of the local church.
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Don't be twice a month. Be present. Have your Bible open.
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Be ready to hear and receive from the Lord and repent and rejoice.
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sing loudly fellowship afterward don't run out don't compare your pastor to your favorite
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podcaster it's not a competition please don't ever tell him you know pastor I was just you know you
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were preaching on this and last week I heard a sermon from Joel Webin someone if Joel Webin is
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your pastor you can say this the rest of us and he just made the point you made so good you know
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and then one time Jeff Durbin preached at our church and it was like this great hour and no
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three to four hour sermon on how Jesus is demonstrated in the Old Testament I just
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finished preaching first Peter and one of the sermons was like demonstrating how every book
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of the Bible points to Christ and and one you know wonderful the little old lady in the
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congregation it's always little old ladies she said pastor so babe that sermon the Bible's all
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about Jesus. And I was like, really? Can you go tell me more about this? I'm not really complaining
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about that. That was great. But really, they don't need to have every sermon compared. Like,
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are they feeding you? It doesn't need to be rhetorically brilliant. Are they feeding you
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faithfully? Be easy to lead. Be kind to the wife and children of the elders. I know many leaders
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in our corner of Christendom have small children. We want to be available all the time.
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But a good pastor might be slow to schedule meetings on weeknights from 5.30 to 8.30
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He has children to pray for and tuck in and sing with.
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And again, don't take any of this as passive-aggressive correction.
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Lastly, number five, pray for your pastors to have a clear conscience
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Pray for us, for we are sure that we have a clear conscience,
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in order that I may be restored to you the sooner.
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So in light of everything we've just seen together in this text,
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I hope you do have a desire to pray for your pastors.
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I love how Paul, who I believe is the author of Hebrews,
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summarizes his goal here that he would urge them to pray for,
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is to have a clear conscience to have acted honorably.
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there are things that you might look at and go,
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I'm confused about this situation or that situation.
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are dealing with complicated pastoral situations
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day in and day out that you don't know anything about
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There's some sin somewhere that's being rooted out
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and it's difficult and it's weighing on the pastor
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and they're trying to figure out how to act honorably
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and they're trying to figure out a lot of things
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What we need are congregants who will remember that.
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It's a good and honorable and heavy weight that pastors carry.
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That the people are asking the Lord, week in and week out,
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Lord, please give pastor so-and-so 40 years of faithful ministry.
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Please protect him from the fiery darts of the evil one.
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Please let him not be tested past what he can endure.
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Lord, please give his children vibrant and living faith.
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Lord, please protect us as a church from division.
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Lord, please give me a heart that would joyfully respect and honor and submit to my elders.
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Lord, please help me not to be a clanging gong in his ear.
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it's very very difficult for a leader to get anything done without that it's very very difficult
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early on in my pastorate one of the things that i learned was that i had vastly overestimated my
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own ability to persuade people to change their minds on anything i went into it and i thought
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you know about five minutes into preaching expository sermons through whole books of the
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Bible. I went from being a Calvary Chapel Arminian to a Calvinist. I got to Genesis, the end of it,
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it was like what Joseph says, what you meant for evil, God meant for good. And I was like,
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God meant for good? Well, this is a problem. I said, I'll resign if you guys want me to. I know
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this isn't a Calvinist church. They said, no, let's talk about it. It took a year. We talked
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about it. Most of the pastors became Calvinists. And I thought, okay, great. Give us three months,
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some good pastoral leadership, everyone else will see this.
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No, and I'm sure there were things we could have done better,
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But pastors are faced with this just day in and day out.
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I see the green pasture, and I want to get the people there,
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And good pastors know that better than anybody.
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They feel their own insufficiency internally, day in and day out in the ministry that they're called to discharge within the body of Christ.
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And so you and they both need to look together to the same source of strength and hope.
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You're trying to figure out what to do with your family.
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Maybe you are in a good church and you're just in a season that's difficult in your family.
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or you're dealing with intergenerational issues
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I'm supposed to give them a Christian education
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that just like that pastor who feels his insufficiency,
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and he invites us freely and he says come receive mercy and help in your time of need ask for wisdom
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you have not because you ask not and do all of this in faith don't act like the don't pray like
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the person who has no faith where as he's praying he doesn't believe the lord's really going to do
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anything no pray and believe that the lord is hearing that he delights to answer that he's not
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a father who gives a stone when we ask for bread pray to him in the kind of faith that says when i
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ask in accordance with his will and I'm praying something he told me I should want, I know my
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father's going to hear me. I know he's going to give freely. Whether it's in trial and tribulation
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or excess and having enough and abounding, I know he's going to answer me in the fullness of his
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wisdom and for my good. So he is your help. He is your elder's help. He's all of our help. And may
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we grow together into a living structure built into the image of Christ for his renown in all
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the places that he's planted us. Amen? Let's pray. Father, we pray that you would give us
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each the measure of faith to do those things that you've called us to very particularly in our place
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and time. Lord, we give you thanks that you forgive us our sin through Christ, that you give us your
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Holy Spirit, that you give freely to those who ask wisdom and grace and mercy. Lord, we come to
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you as a people who are dust. You know our frame. And we thank you that you are a God who brings
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resurrection and glory and that you've given us union with Christ so that his resurrection will
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be like ours, that his glory will be ours, that we will share even and partake in the divine nature.
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And we give you thanks that all of this is freely given and not earned by us who could earn
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not one whit of it. And we give you thanks in Jesus' name. Amen.