The NXR Podcast - THE SPECIAL - A Brutal Critique Of The Church (w⧸Dale Partridge & Calvin Robinson)

00:00:00.000 you want to go and fight a real live breathing dragon, then talk about Judaism and talk about 1.00

00:00:07.020 feminism. They don't want to fight a dragon though, Joel. They don't want to. 0.60

00:00:10.080 They want to appear like they've already fought a dragon. They don't want to fight a dragon.

00:00:12.480 Correct. Most people are sheep. Very few people are called to be shepherds,

00:00:15.880 but they want to hold the staff. That's the issue we have in the church today.

00:00:18.640 I mean, it happens to us all the time. People call us a misogynist or they're worried about

00:00:23.040 misogyny. And I go, I don't know. In all of my years of pastoring, I've met one, maybe two

00:00:28.520 misogynist, but I've met countless overbearing feministic women. 1.00

00:00:58.520 what are we going to do about these muslims easy deport them it's so easy denaturalize and deport 1.00

00:01:11.560 and if we need like a placeholder like an example you know a case study that can be 1.00

00:01:16.760 set forward to emulate you know for many happy decades to come ilhan omar is who i would like

00:01:23.880 to throw out as she's an easy example why has she not been deported it's insane

00:01:27.760 fraud to get him into the country seems to me like a good enough reason to kick someone out

00:01:32.980 yes yeah you entered on the basis of fraud you shouldn't even be in the country much less ruling

00:01:39.340 over the country right right and right i mean you think of like isaiah you know says it um it's

00:01:45.360 actually a judgment like i would say that america um and and people will be like we'll make up your

00:01:50.160 mind pick a lane you'll be ruled by foreigners exactly ruled by foreigners also ruled by women

00:01:54.640 also ruled by children all these are listed as judgments from the lord they're not something to

00:01:58.880 brag about it's not um a point of pride of diversity or being how progressive we are that

00:02:03.920 we're ruled by boss babes it's a sign of god's judgment and and people say you know we'll make 0.76

00:02:09.780 up your mind is america a christian nation um you know or is it a nation under judgment and i would

00:02:15.400 say it's both yeah and that's why the judgment is in fact so severe because um i believe that

00:02:22.080 America began with a Christian covenant and that America is held to a higher standard by the Lord

00:02:31.260 than other nations are. We have been in the process of apostasy for several decades now. 0.64

00:02:36.960 And so we're underneath God's judgment. And people say, man, conservative evangelical Christians

00:02:43.200 used to focus on LGBT and used to focus on abortion and these kinds of things. And just

00:02:49.540 for the record to you know to hold on to my credentials um i despise abortion it has to be

00:02:55.340 abolished not just suppressed or mitigated it has to be utterly abolished the gravest evil of our

00:03:00.120 time for sure is and so what i would say it's like we'll pick a lane no it all it all is cohesive it 0.95

00:03:07.400 all goes together i believe that we are under judgment currently with mass immigration and 0.92

00:03:12.760 being ruled over by foreigners and women and all these things precisely because of the grave sin 0.93

00:03:17.720 two two main ones uh sodomy and abortion and so but then the question is okay so then just focus 0.63

00:03:24.520 on abortion and sodomy you're you're never going to get rid of abortion this is hard for evangelicals 0.91

00:03:29.920 to hear but you're never going to get rid of abortion unless you get rid of uh the women's 0.75

00:03:34.760 vote yeah and unless you get rid of immigration which both need to happen i want to go back to 0.75

00:03:40.420 this point of the christian nation and that we're under judgment because of our identity as a

00:03:44.800 Christian nation. So we know that we were established by a Christian people. We know

00:03:50.840 the Mayflower Compact. We also know Washington's 1789 address for Thanksgiving, thanking God for

00:03:56.660 our victory over the British Empire. But yeah, we have a clear identity as a Christian people.

00:04:05.620 And I think the conversation on Islam is that people think that we can have this myth of the

00:04:12.580 secular nation or that we can be some sort of you know united nations of nations but the reality is

00:04:17.600 is if we don't have a christian nation we're going to have an islamic nation um if we don't have a

00:04:24.020 christian nation we're going to have a hindu nation if we don't have a christian nation we're

00:04:27.200 going to have a liberal nation whatever it is it was a vacuum but even if it was secular that's 0.89

00:04:32.040 not a good thing like the options are christ or anti-christ there's no magic middle ground where

00:04:36.780 everyone's happy and secularism is a religion and i would say it's been the dominant one in the

00:04:42.400 west for quite some time liberalism but uh liberalism yeah but and and the i always say

00:04:47.120 like liberalism is the car uh the engine that makes it run is egalitarianism and uh and that's

00:04:53.680 been ruling the day for quite some time but my prediction i think you guys will agree but i'm

00:04:58.100 curious to hear your thoughts is i think that the secular ship has sailed um that there is a like

00:05:04.580 global return to nature um there is a like nature yes so there's a return to nature and with that

00:05:12.380 this return to nature there's a return to religion um a deity now that doesn't necessarily mean that

00:05:19.340 it's it's going you know to be christ that's going to be the triune god uh many people will will

00:05:24.860 leave secularism like atheism is a joke james lindsey is a joke these days like people are

00:05:30.940 like like i mean there's a ton of people trying to scrub you know their past events that they

00:05:35.740 held with you know like they're i don't i'm not convinced james lindsey is an atheist but your

00:05:39.420 your point stands you say it again i'm not convinced he's an atheist oh you're not convinced

00:05:43.140 when i see him praying at the western wall i'm like okay there's something going on there well

00:05:47.640 yeah but you're absolutely right but i i mean let's be honest i've i've always been under the

00:05:53.040 impression that atheism is just believing anything yeah atheism is judaism like in in many ways i

00:06:01.280 think that's a denial of christ for sure it's a denial of christ but um atheism is it's a jewish

00:06:07.560 project and in many ways like uh you could argue that protestantism is too yeah no we got layers

00:06:14.920 i enjoy a good joke okay this isn't a joke we'll determine that many reasons one is the the canon

00:06:23.120 of the bible okay so the catholic canon of the bible right you have some extra books in there

00:06:27.440 right because the protestants said let's look at what the hebrews have in their canon let's take

00:06:33.000 that let's take the jewish canon rather than the catholic the christian canon they took the jewish

00:06:36.260 canon likewise protestantism is a jewish breakdown of of the order of god so it's more like you can

00:06:44.580 believe that but not that you can believe that but not that it's the picking choosing of bits 0.81

00:06:48.640 of christianity in order to lead people away from christianity whereas rather than having the

00:06:53.240 fullness of the truth is you can have that bit of the truth and reject that bit and still be in 0.96

00:06:57.760 good stead with god that's that's like the jewish loopholes of we can we can turn the lights off 0.84

00:07:02.520 automatically and not, you know, not break the rules. That's not true. We know that not to be 0.77

00:07:06.480 true. I hear you. I think Protestantism is the inevitable and tragically, and don't miss that

00:07:13.360 word tragically, tragically necessary reaction to the abuses of Rome. I think that if Rome 0.90

00:07:23.240 would have cut the crap, then I don't think any of this would have happened. 0.99

00:07:29.140 But it's a two-pronged approach. So the Jews have been infiltrating the Roman church 1.00

00:07:32.440 for a long time. 0.58

00:07:33.500 Most of Vatican II was Jewish and or Protestant.

00:07:37.560 Nostra Aetate, which people often say

00:07:39.440 is the document that makes it sound like Jews

00:07:43.240 have salvation outside of Christian truth,

00:07:46.480 which is not true. 1.00

00:07:47.320 That document was drafted by a Jew. 0.68

00:07:49.180 There's lots of infiltration within the church, 0.97

00:07:51.220 but also Satan wants people to leave the church.

00:07:54.340 And so I think both fronts were an attack of the enemy.

00:07:56.580 It's us, it's our fallen nature, it's sin,

00:07:58.240 of course it is, but he's driving it.

00:08:00.300 The enemy is driving it to drive us away

00:08:01.860 from the one true living god yeah i agree uh sadly there's a lot of catholic charities that 0.99

00:08:08.480 you look at the board of trustees that make it up that they're all pushing for immigration

00:08:12.840 and getting millions and millions of dollars especially bring more foreigners in and you'll

00:08:18.160 look at the makeup of like the you know like top six you know um you know board members of

00:08:24.080 massive catholic immigrant charities and five out of six of them will be jewish yeah you know it's 0.99

00:08:30.240 like how did that happen how do we keep our defenses up against judaism infiltrating our 0.90

00:08:34.860 christian faith yeah so this is you know when i wrote my book um the israel delusion i i i thought

00:08:42.000 where is the achilles heel of america's obsession with judaism or with israel and i think we all

00:08:51.840 know that it's dispensationalism i think that we have a theological relationship with israel

00:08:56.240 We saw that with Ted Cruz. We saw that with Mike Huckabee. We saw that with a variety of commentators that have been communicating. I think if you cut the dispensational line, if you can debunk that biblically, I think it eliminates the vast majority of people in their connection to Israel.

00:09:15.060 And so I think there's certainly an argument for just pointing out the flaws, pointing out the realities, pointing out the patterns of Israel's connection to so many things that are evil.

00:09:25.380 But I think we have a deep theological connection as a nation through John Nelson Darby and the whole dispensational framework that was...

00:09:36.060 Schofield Bible.

00:09:36.800 And so I think that most Christians who have this very religious devotion to Israel, it's because it's theological. And so if you aim at this politically, I think you still don't persuade people, at least Christians.

00:09:56.640 And so I think we need to actually focus heavily on debunking dispensationalism as a theological system.

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00:11:30.840 And so you're right.

00:11:31.660 It's not just Scofield and Dobby. 0.58

00:11:32.820 It's Netanyahu. 1.00

00:11:33.580 They're purposefully manipulating the Christian faith 0.64

00:11:36.120 in order to get evangelicals to support their cause. 0.71

00:11:38.580 But they're manipulating.

00:11:39.680 They're easy to manipulate

00:11:40.660 because they believe that Israel is God's chosen people. 1.00

00:11:44.300 Right.

00:11:44.740 So easy to manipulate.

00:11:45.620 Yes, because of that,

00:11:46.560 But also, you know, to throw Calvin a bone, because he's right, but also because there's

00:11:51.800 no governing authority of who gets to interpret the scripture.

00:11:54.540 Correct, yeah.

00:11:55.120 You know, so there's that one.

00:11:56.580 We gotta throw that in there.

00:11:57.900 But, go ahead.

00:11:58.600 Yeah, the confessions are essentially the Protestant solution to interpretation.

00:12:03.660 They are, but they're not.

00:12:04.780 Maybe they're out of date.

00:12:05.860 They're not narrant.

00:12:06.900 Go ahead.

00:12:07.760 Well, they address many church issues of the time.

00:12:10.500 Correct.

00:12:11.060 Do they address the church issue of today?

00:12:13.060 Exactly.

00:12:13.820 I agree.

00:12:14.440 so yeah we've talked about yeah putting together a reformed catholic confession or some sort of

00:12:21.020 you know um classical protestant confession which would have to have declarations or memorials or

00:12:26.280 whatever you want to call them around a variety of issues like again the confessions don't talk

00:12:29.640 about transgenderism because it wasn't an issue when the confessions were written but here we are

00:12:34.420 and we need to actually have statements around again female leadership in church but do we need

00:12:41.220 a new confession written by chat gpt i i don't think we do i need a genuine ecumenical council

00:12:47.320 we need christian leaders from across denominations to meet together yes it's not just abortion

00:12:51.220 transgenderism the catholic church is struggling right now on how to address frozen embryos for

00:12:55.480 example what happens to these souls that are just in limbo they're not living they're not dying

00:13:00.200 they're just there like we need all these questions need to be addressed by the whole of

00:13:03.360 the big c church yes i agree yeah and we need um we need adaptations more than innovation meaning

00:13:11.840 that the vast majority of theology has been accomplished at this point in terms of we know

00:13:17.660 who we we've defined who god is we've defined the fundamentals of the gospel we we understand the

00:13:22.260 basics of church to us yeah yes correct right but it's like we we've we've seen it we've revealed

00:13:26.200 it we've codified it i don't think that we need to write new confessions in the same way that

00:13:30.360 are the church fathers or uh did the creeds or even the the reformational heritage has produced

00:13:37.020 its confessions i think most of it's written we need to adapt and we need to add we need to adjust

00:13:41.640 which i think will be a little bit easier um but i think it's still worth uh it's a council for

00:13:47.420 sure it's all about application how do you apply it that's that's the problem right now within the

00:13:52.020 church both catholicism protestants it's like how do how do we apply our theology to present

00:13:58.760 dragons everybody wants to apply theology to the dragon that's already been slain right so there

00:14:03.280 you've got all these larping ministers walking around swinging their swords and kicking the

00:14:09.800 dead carcass of a dragon that's already been killed so they're like well i stand against racism 0.97

00:14:14.680 it's like dude the the only racism that currently exists is against white people

00:14:19.840 we know this we know this so like when you're larping and fighting you know racism against 0.96

00:14:25.860 black people you're literally swinging your sword at a dragon that was already killed by somebody who 0.86

00:14:30.480 who actually had real courage once upon a time but that that beast has been slain for 60 years 0.98

00:14:36.620 at this point like you want to go and fight a real live breathing dragon then then talk about

00:14:43.160 judaism and talk about feminism feminism and talk about um and and say that race is not just merely

00:14:51.560 a social construct but it's actually a biological reality and they don't want to fight a dragon

00:14:57.000 they don't want to appear like they've already fought a dragon they don't want to fight the

00:15:00.240 dragon correct most people are sheep very few people are called to be shepherds but they want

00:15:04.540 to hold the staff that's the issue we have in the church today yeah so i mean happens to us all the

00:15:10.080 time people call us a misogynist or they're worried about misogyny and i go um i don't know in all of

00:15:16.300 my years of pastoring i've met one maybe two misogynists but i've met countless uh aggressive

00:15:25.320 intense overbearing feministic women right and so the dragon of the day for that particular 1.00

00:15:33.820 category i've never met a misogynist pastor i've met a few a handful of just blessed sanctified

00:15:42.060 sexist god bless them and i'd like to you know by the grace of god put myself in that category

00:15:46.440 people you're a misogynist it's like no i don't hate women i have four daughters and a wife i 0.76

00:15:51.060 my mother is sitting on the front row in our church i adore my mother i am not a misogynist

00:15:56.980 i don't hate women i'm absolutely a sexist i believe that there are two sexes and that they're

00:16:01.720 dynamically different all the way down to their bone marrow like soul and spirit body mind it's

00:16:08.720 like oh well the only difference is just physical so you know men you know have broader shoulders

00:16:12.980 and we you know like i'm not a feminist we should only have men in combat you know and and women

00:16:17.920 should stay out of that and it's like of course but that's like that's just the starting point 0.90

00:16:21.740 if it's just a physical difference then how come women can't beat men in chess well that's 0.71

00:16:26.620 they can't lift the pieces so say it's only physical it's transgenderism right exactly

00:16:30.820 it's not this is ontological it's biological it's theological we are different it's gnostic

00:16:35.560 transgenderism yeah so it's yeah exact you're exactly right there's a spiritual difference 1.00

00:16:39.700 there's a mental difference there is and that's not to say women aren't smart but but there are 0.97

00:16:44.480 mental capacities in different realms right different strengths the way that a woman thinks 0.98

00:16:49.380 is not dumb um but it's not the same is the way that a man thinks so that we think differently

00:16:55.560 we uh we move differently you know it's an advantage they're designed to be more empathetic 0.54

00:17:00.900 to be more nurturing and so they can relate to the children that they're supposed to be raised

00:17:04.440 if there was a game that required compassionate uh dimensions of iq we would lose uh but when we

00:17:11.260 have a game that's on logical iq right uh such as elections yeah such as elections we win and and so

00:17:19.480 yeah applying and the overton is really shifting on this i mean even rob snyder like now granted

00:17:24.900 he had plausible deniability because he's a comedian comedians can say whatever they want

00:17:29.100 you know i was joking oh i was joking yeah yeah but i mean still like on a massive platform to

00:17:33.560 a ton of people you know he he says and he never clarifies he just makes a joke and lets it lie but

00:17:38.540 he's like you know women um you know can they can vote on certain things you know like the color of

00:17:43.620 the carpet you know but but not elections you know like the first lady what say like the first lady 0.90

00:17:48.620 she can choose the carpets there you go right she could decorate the white house but this answers 1.00

00:17:52.660 your first question what do we do about the mohammedans well we take away when women's votes 0.99

00:17:56.540 and then they stop voting for mass infanticide through abortion they stop voting for the suicidal 0.99

00:18:02.340 empathy of importing everyone because everyone should be included and then we can reclaim our

00:18:06.220 society as men and say actually it's the moderate solution to deport and repatriate oh yes glad the

00:18:11.280 impaler is the is the extreme position how far do we want to go on that scale right and here's the

00:18:16.360 thing about impaling um you only have to impale a few it's only a few at the end of the day it's

00:18:21.240 surprisingly few vlad you know he had uh he had a decent point uh you know pun intended the point 1.00

00:18:27.700 was strong um but yeah so feminism is a massive problem but all these things they they do they're 1.00

00:18:35.520 they're jewish sacraments i mean abortion you hear jews abortion is a jewish sacrament feminism is a 0.93

00:18:43.960 jew like they they brag about you know teaming up with um you know with racial minorities uh in 0.96

00:18:50.920 order to get civil rights you know across the finish line back in the 60s or the heart seller 0.94

00:18:56.100 act right who was seller oh yeah i mean the the pattern noticing is unbelievable i mean i think

00:19:01.100 once you start to see it everywhere i mean just a couple days ago i i posted out you know i forgot 0.88

00:19:06.000 the lady's name zoe something she wrote a new book called the good slut more and uh the good slut 1.00

00:19:12.060 and it was the idea of how how money sex and power are a way to you know women dominion or 0.97

00:19:19.420 something like that it's incredible but i i see this post i look at how gross this book is it's

00:19:25.980 got like a sexual kind of innuendo on the front cover um i click on our profile jewish in the bio

00:19:31.900 and and have you seen the meme every single time yeah you're just like and morpheus and neo's like

00:19:38.860 you know from the matrix he's like talking to morpheus he's like you're telling me that i can

00:19:42.500 just click the early life section and find out if somebody's jewish and he morpheus responds and

00:19:47.460 says no i'm telling you when you're ready you won't have to i mean it's just we saw this uh

00:19:54.720 A few days ago before that, I saw another court case that was released by a judge after a multiple, you know, murder, violent crime situation with a black gentleman, not a gentleman, black guy. 0.74

00:20:07.960 And the caseworker, the psychological caseworker that vindicated his ability to be let free, again, Jewish and bio. 0.95

00:20:16.620 And so it's just an incredible pattern that you start to see. 0.92

00:20:19.940 And I think a lot of people struggle to go, is it really?

00:20:22.840 but what about people that don't want to see the pattern or can't see the pattern to them we are

00:20:27.740 all like anti-semitic we're all racist yeah how do we how do we open people's eyes so they want

00:20:32.400 because once you start noticing you can't stop yeah i think that's why so many people are scared 0.99

00:20:36.240 to start because they know that once they go down that rabbi hole there's no getting to the bottom 0.98

00:20:40.080 of it the tea is silent the tea is silent yeah no you're absolutely right um but the reason why it 0.99

00:20:46.540 matters you know we started the conversation with islam the reason why it matters is because the 0.98

00:20:50.500 gates of toledo uh have to be closed so like you actually have to do something about the muhammad 1.00

00:20:56.220 but at the same time you also have to be able to ins you have to cut it off at the head and ensure 1.00

00:21:03.080 that the problem doesn't persist if you you know denaturalize and deport as many people as necessary

00:21:09.400 but the doors are still left open then it happens again and again and again and this this is the

00:21:16.240 problem is it's like you have right wing um you know like okay so you get you get the gop great

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00:21:29.840 gay jews you know but like but it works in tandem so it's like okay so we're gonna go and fight 0.98

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00:23:22.820 again, we have multiple layers and it's easy to go all the way upstream and you go all the way

00:23:26.920 upstream and you go, okay, well, there's this group of people who hates Christ and has had a

00:23:31.760 long historical biography and pattern of these types of behaviors have been eliminated or kicked

00:23:39.520 out of you know over 100 countries you have this this reality and that's upstream but then 0.99

00:23:45.980 downstream you have all these effects right you have you know the islamification of nations you 0.65

00:23:51.120 have mass immigrations you have feminism you have homosexuality and transgenderism and you have

00:23:56.500 it's this incredibly complex issue that has to be hit on multiple dimensions.

00:24:03.120 And yes, you need to constantly go upstream and you need to hit upstream at the very top,

00:24:07.180 which I think really has to do with the theology for America specifically. 0.83

00:24:11.760 We have, we don't just, we're not just like letting in a benign people because we're ignorant.

00:24:17.640 We actually have false beliefs around Israel.

00:24:20.400 Yeah, yes.

00:24:21.200 And they're held at a, with extreme devotion.

00:24:26.500 yeah and so we don't do that for any other religion or any other group of people and that

00:24:31.940 in my opinion is one of the higher upstream things that needs to be eliminated it's this

00:24:35.920 we need to break that theological tie the category of christian adjacent shouldn't exist

00:24:41.940 like this like yeah the judeo-christian myth right we've got the book right there on the shelf you

00:24:48.140 know we uh myself and jordan hall we wrote the hyphenated heresy judeo-christianity and it's

00:24:52.640 like hotcakes we self-published and it's you know uh within the first two months uh close to

00:24:58.400 4 000 copies because it is one of the premier issues of the day and and so a lot of people

00:25:03.960 are learning from that but that what i was gonna let's go back to catholic and protestant for just

00:25:08.620 a moment but as it pertains to this issue of like dispensationalism judeo-christianity all these

00:25:13.840 kinds of things one i had a fascinating conversation with e michael jones dr e michael jones i should

00:25:19.760 say he's earned it um and it was a great conversation and and jones if you're not

00:25:26.480 familiar uh with him he uh he is not shy at all like he hates protestants like just like i didn't

00:25:34.060 know that like he despises to be fair he hates protestantism right um but he like he knew that

00:25:40.580 i'm a protestant minister and uh was perfectly cordial very respectful very kind he's really

00:25:46.500 kind he's just high energy um it says what he thinks which i appreciate but he does not like

00:25:52.660 calvinists he does not like protestants um he also really doesn't like uh conversations about race

00:25:58.580 so like he's he's very j-pilled as the kids would say on the jewish issue but um but believes that

00:26:05.660 race is a social construct he believes that race he was like a race is a social construct that was

00:26:10.620 simply invented by Calvinist Protestants. I was like, base. I was like, all right. I mean,

00:26:17.900 you're talking me in disdain, you know, like I feel more convinced. But here's the deal. And

00:26:24.320 he semi-agreed, not entirely, but semi-agreed. I said, here's the deal. Protestants have a Zionist

00:26:31.940 problem. I think that Catholics have a globalist problem. But here's the difference. Protestants, 1.00

00:26:38.520 if we get rid of the zionist problem and i think that we can there are still uh problems that are 0.98

00:26:42.700 inherent to protestantism like who gets to be in charge it's all about authority right it's a

00:26:48.260 problem of authority so i recognize that and i know that that that's a that's a big thing and

00:26:52.420 and so i don't want to minimize that but for the sake of discussion for just a moment

00:26:56.320 zionism is not inherent to protestantism zionism has a stranglehold currently on protestantism

00:27:03.980 I that's undeniable but it's not inherent what I mean is the very the the core problem of

00:27:10.780 protestantism the problem of authority the very core problem that opened the door for a guy like

00:27:17.640 Darby and Schofield to walk in and convince every single protestant that we owe our undying allegiance

00:27:22.700 to Israel that the greatest dream of every evangelical boomer is that that their grandson

00:27:27.620 would die in the dirt in the sand and that they would have an American flag and an Israel flag 0.79

00:27:33.000 draping over the coffin um that like abhorrent disgusting problem that we currently have it like 0.92

00:27:40.860 it makes me angry um that problem is protestant in a way that it's not catholic there are catholics 0.71

00:27:47.240 who are zionists but but by comparison it's it's not even close protestants are the the bigger

00:27:53.040 zionist by a landslide but to be fair the core problem with protestantism who gets to be in

00:28:00.140 charge, that problem opened the door to Schofield and Darby and Zionism, but that can just as easily

00:28:10.560 change because anybody can be in charge. Anybody can interpret the scripture. Anybody can come up

00:28:16.340 with a meaning. And so I actually think that the more perpetual problem that eventually will have

00:28:22.360 to be solved is the core problem within Protestantism of authority. But that's the

00:28:28.060 timeless challenge for protestants the timely challenge of zionism i think that protestants

00:28:34.680 will actually fix that just that problem will be fixed just as is quickly and easily as it began

00:28:41.100 because all it takes within the protestant framework right is teaching better theology

00:28:46.580 is yeah exactly is just a couple people to win the day so you're right in that the problem is

00:28:51.260 authority right it's not just zionism it's all kinds of things look at the church of england

00:28:54.960 tried to continue its Catholic faith, reform it a little outside of the authority of Rome.

00:29:01.260 Fast forward to today, there's a female Archbishop of Canterbury, right? Because there's no authority 0.99

00:29:05.220 that says you cannot ordain women. They want to play up to the world, which is egalitarian, 1.00

00:29:10.160 that says men and women are the same, the things you laid out earlier. Without an authority to say

00:29:14.200 you can't do that, why can't they? So they just do it. And so all of these problems, whether it's

00:29:19.120 Zionism, feminism, doesn't matter what they are, they all come from that same root of who is the

00:29:23.680 universal authority. What is the universal authority? And so it doesn't matter if Zionism

00:29:27.840 gets fixed in Protestantism, because next week it might be transgenderism. The week after that, 0.88

00:29:31.780 it might be something else. We've got to go to the root. And the problem is we all need to be

00:29:35.600 together. We need to find a way to reunite the church, to reform the church, but to reunite the

00:29:40.120 church rather than creating lots of different churches. But my point I was trying to get to

00:29:44.060 is that when has a denomination that's gone liberal ever come back to orthodoxy, ever?

00:29:49.120 the closest would be probably the sbc the sbc became incredibly liberal in its seminaries

00:29:56.460 back in the 90s they actually had uh seminary professors in all six of the flagship uh southern

00:30:03.760 baptist seminaries that on the first day of class as they're giving out you know the curriculum and

00:30:08.640 the syllabus uh would some of the professors even took a bible and threw it in the trash they said 1.00

00:30:14.760 that Mary, that Jesus was the bastard son of a whore, like atrocious. And they actually came 1.00

00:30:22.180 back, which is nearly impossible. And the reason why they actually came back, they're not, you

00:30:27.840 know, they're not conservative, you know, but you get, you know, conservative-ish. But the reason

00:30:33.300 that they actually did move back to the right and more of a traditionalist view of scripture and

00:30:39.620 and all those kinds of things is because of the ecclesiastical polity of the SBC. Now, don't miss

00:30:47.360 what I'm saying. I think that, again, the polity, ecclesiastical polity governance, who's in charge

00:30:54.060 when it comes to Southern Baptist, still poses a timeless problem. But in a timely moment,

00:31:03.260 it can work to your advantage so for instance what is the polity uh it's democracy right so

00:31:10.140 southern baptist it's american um and so uh southern baptist they you know they sat there

00:31:16.760 with their bible and in a vacuum without being biased or influenced by any outside um you know

00:31:23.660 arguments whatsoever and they objectively on the basis of just objective reasoning from the

00:31:29.500 scripture. They just so happened to decide that Christ's chosen polity for the church was exactly

00:31:35.680 the same as the American political civil polity. Obviously, I'm being facetious, but that's what

00:31:42.420 they did. And of course, they're going to say, it's right here in the Bible. But they

00:31:45.720 exiguted rather than exiguted. There's no democracy in the Bible. 0.92

00:31:48.520 Right. It's fake.

00:31:49.700 Well, there is.

00:31:51.000 When they choose Barabbas instead of Jesus. 0.51

00:31:52.700 Yeah. They got democracy crucified Christ. Democracy did lots of things in the Bible,

00:31:57.040 none of them were good i think in terms of what's happening to the church around these issues we

00:32:01.720 have uh everybody that's younger below 30 is shifting and seeing the chaos of protestantism

00:32:08.740 and and i think we just have to admit there's a lot of chaos there uh it's never-ending

00:32:14.400 multiplied fractures and so again when you go back into what i would call classical protestantism

00:32:20.820 which is you know anglicanism lutheranism presbyterianism and you have you know confessional

00:32:28.440 statements of beliefs and structures i think that yes the church needs to become one i think that

00:32:34.180 we will become one i'm post-millennial i believe that christ is coming back for a true purified

00:32:39.060 holy church and triumphant and triumphant yes in history um not just pure but small

00:32:45.360 yeah because you can have a real pure church pure and huge you can have a pure church and this is

00:32:50.200 what a lot of churches right now are doing is we're going to have a pure church and it's going

00:32:54.500 to be me and 14 people and they're all bishops we know that the great commission is essentially

00:33:00.740 going to be fulfilled and that the nations are christ and uh we will continue to by the by the

00:33:07.360 grace of the gospel by the grace of of god uh add more people to the kingdom of christ through the

00:33:12.840 proclamation of the gospel. I mean, Christ is conquering his enemies through conversion,

00:33:20.820 and he is going to continue to win. So how does this look? Again, we talked about this a little

00:33:25.600 bit last night, but- He is also conquering his enemies through the sword. He is, sure.

00:33:29.040 Because Christ is head of the church, but not exclusively. Yes. I've always heard, Christ is

00:33:33.620 uniquely head of the church in the sense that the church is the only institution for which he died.

00:33:37.580 but ephesians chapter one i believe it's verse 21 or 22 says that god the father has appointed him

00:33:44.580 head of all things and so christ is head of the state whether the state acknowledges him or not

00:33:49.560 and so the state romans per romans 13 as a diakonos a deacon a servant of christ is god's avenger

00:33:58.060 and so god crushes his enemies in one instance through the church which christ is head of

00:34:03.860 uniquely not exclusively head of through conversion word and sacrament but christ is also crushing his

00:34:09.320 enemies that will not convert through the state and the sword yeah he's the head of the church

00:34:13.480 he's the king of kings so you have both dimensions there but i i do think that we're going to see

00:34:17.880 you know eastern orthodoxy and rome at some point merge together i think also that if there's any

00:34:25.160 shot for rome and what i would call high church protestantism which is classical protestantism

00:34:32.040 of Presbyterians, Anglicans, and Lutherans.

00:34:34.000 They have to unite first.

00:34:36.080 And then I think there's conversations to be had.

00:34:38.520 But I think these conciliar,

00:34:40.520 the councils that should gather

00:34:42.160 for the creedal discussions around Judaism,

00:34:45.100 around Islam, around globalism, around feminism,

00:34:48.220 we're a divided body.

00:34:50.780 Yes.

00:34:51.400 And we're weak because we're divided.

00:34:53.520 And there needs to be discussion.

00:34:55.280 I do believe, like we, again,

00:34:57.560 we were talking about this,

00:34:58.400 is that the wars right now,

00:35:01.000 it's hard to go and fight one another while we are being overtaken by every possible evil

00:35:08.460 right in the world and so um it's a it's a it's fighting with it in fighting is is of a privileged

00:35:15.920 society or a victorious society and we are not in a victorious state right now we are in a

00:35:20.660 in moral misery in terms of the church being divided i can tell you right now

00:35:24.480 i can predict with 100 accuracy not because i'm smart but because i've read a couple history books

00:35:30.640 i can tell you what will unite the church and i do believe the church will be united suffering

00:35:35.340 yes but in addition to that um the clergy will never unite they won't um they will unite when

00:35:45.520 dad comes in the room and makes them and uh what i mean is that it will be the christian prince

00:35:52.280 monarchy yeah it will be a constantine it will be a christian state when christ is recognized

00:35:59.800 once again as not only head of the church, but head of the state. And the state subjugates

00:36:05.040 himself to Christ as Lord. And then he looks at the church and says, that's enough. Stop that

00:36:11.300 bickering, cut it out. I'm going to put you in a room. If you try to leave, I'll cut off your head. 1.00

00:36:16.840 I'm going to put you in a room until you solve this and get on the same page. 0.99

00:36:21.240 I mean, imagine a state that would fund two or three years of pastors from different

00:36:27.460 traditions of christianity together and have to work through a variety of issues it would be

00:36:32.800 incredible i think you're right in that it won't be the clergy i think maybe the christian prince

00:36:38.540 will have something to do with it but i think it's the laity that will come back together

00:36:41.160 i think across traditions now people are finding each other in christ in a way we haven't seen in

00:36:45.560 a long time that's true those dividing lines are being blurred because we're seeing a common enemy

00:36:49.560 whether it's islam or israel we're seeing a common common enemy of christ which islam and israel it

00:36:54.220 really is it's just a problem it goes hand in hand it's just it's the left and right hand of you 0.91

00:36:59.460 know well the the catholicity element you know you and i we've been friends for we've all been

00:37:04.980 friends for years but we've been friends for a few years now and we've had constant phone calls

00:37:09.540 about catholicity and we have different views uh on significant doctrines but we are here fighting

00:37:15.360 together working together and i i think that we even saw you know we were uh eating dinner last

00:37:20.640 night and we saw a young gentleman who's probably under 30 and he mentioned that he was young

00:37:25.620 white and had a cross on his neck and good shape and had a cross so i immediately said uh one of

00:37:31.160 us yeah exactly i was like he's one of us so i uh you know i i decided to break the ice you know

00:37:36.460 i treaded softly and just said hey random question communism or fascism if you had to choose one

00:37:42.200 which so that's how we broke the ice but turns out he's catholic uh he's a christian and um and

00:37:49.520 He liked the idea that young people were willing to have conversations that

00:37:53.980 previous generations were not. 0.88

00:37:55.660 Right.

00:37:55.920 Like he said, he's going to, you know, I invited him to come to our church.

00:37:58.660 And I understand that our church is different.

00:38:00.660 And Calvin, you know, is like changing.

00:38:02.920 Yeah.

00:38:03.140 I said, go to Mass first.

00:38:04.440 Calvin, go to Mass first and then you can visit Webb's church.

00:38:07.980 And I said, you know, you may, we may not be a good fit for you to be a member,

00:38:11.880 but you should come and visit once.

00:38:13.680 And he was like running after me as we were, you know, walking out the door to insist.

00:38:19.120 right because i mean he's our server i'm gonna leave a tip he's gonna be polite but he didn't

00:38:23.280 like the the last part was pretty convincing like chasing me out the door and saying like me and

00:38:28.280 this other server that he introduced he's like this is my one right-wing friend here you know

00:38:31.940 at the restaurant and we're both gonna come you know and they're both like young dads like in

00:38:35.880 their early 20s yeah um and both have uh at least one child not together praise god you know but

00:38:43.300 with with wives and so but yes so it the the land uh lay the land is changing i want to ask you

00:38:49.600 something though calvin with um so i think that protestantism has an inherent authority problem

00:38:56.160 zionism is just the the current you know 150 year long um symptom of that uh so i think the

00:39:05.060 authority issue is inherent to protestantism and zionism i think can be overturned um but there'll

00:39:10.900 be something else i understand that yeah however zionism is to protestantism in my view i could be

00:39:16.540 wrong but it's my view um zionism is inherent to protestantism in a comparable way that globalism

00:39:24.340 appears to me to be inherent um to catholicism and i i use the inherent i don't think i i misspoke i

00:39:32.680 don't think that zionism is inherent to protestantism the authority issue is um but but

00:39:38.000 But globalism does seem, that's my concern, is that globalism does seem inherent to Rome simply by virtue of there being a global geographic locale, headquarters, that speaks for, like, how do you have Catholic, Roman Catholic?

00:39:54.140 I understand how you can do Catholic without, but how do you have Roman Catholic nationalism?

00:39:58.780 Okay, so I'm going to take some flack from the Roman Catholics for this one, but I've already insulted the Protestants, so let's- 0.89

00:40:04.600 You sure have. Yeah, thanks for that. 1.00

00:40:06.340 the church of the undivided church of the first millennium understood that the pope is sitting

00:40:13.320 in the seat of saint peter his role as the primus inter paris the first among equals is to settle

00:40:18.220 disputes whenever so all the bishops have equal authority uh handed down from christ through the

00:40:24.280 apostles apostolic succession they are all christian princes right and they can all have

00:40:31.040 authority in their in their diocese in their realm whenever they have disputes amongst themselves

00:40:35.980 they go to Peter, St. Peter to settle that dispute. Now we've shifted 2,000 years later

00:40:41.260 into ultramontanism, where it's seen that the Pope is the king of the church. He is a monarch

00:40:47.540 of the church. That wasn't the intention. So he does have universal authority to a degree,

00:40:54.200 but not as a ruler, more as a settler of disputes. And that distinction is important because

00:40:58.960 the other of the patriarchs all had, you know, if you go to Constantinople, which was at one

00:41:04.640 point in the new Rome, the Bishop of Rome would not dare go there and interfere in how he was

00:41:09.100 running his church. And it's the same across the board. If you went to Jerusalem, you'd have the

00:41:13.740 same thing. And so we've reached a point, because the church is so broken, because of our sin, 0.53

00:41:18.020 because we've got all the different Orthodox churches now, when we've got the Roman Catholic 0.86

00:41:21.080 Church, and we've got Protestantism, because of that, the Pope has subsumed more authority than

00:41:26.080 is due. And to some degree, that's been given to him after the Holy Roman Empire fell, and some of

00:41:33.280 that authority was granted to the pope that isn't his.

00:41:35.460 So it's about going back to what is good, right, and proper,

00:41:37.640 how the church ran for 1,000 years in that, yes, the pope is important.

00:41:41.280 He's a significant figure in the church, but all the bishops are,

00:41:44.020 and especially the patriarchs are.

00:41:46.140 If we had a patriarch of America or a cardinal of America

00:41:49.180 or a bishop of America who had authority over the church in America,

00:41:52.620 that may answer some of the questions that you were raising earlier.

00:41:55.620 The Christian prince.

00:41:56.920 So who used to call the bishops princes in England? 0.98

00:41:58.820 And that's, yes.

00:41:59.720 and and that's my point is that um like as a protestant a reformed protestant who loves the

00:42:06.440 reformers i love guys that that you despise i love luther i love calvin i love these guys um

00:42:12.400 and yet as much as i've read of them and gone through my cage stage and all these kinds of

00:42:18.520 things where you know every time there's a mention in the scripture of the synagogue of satan i'm

00:42:22.740 like that's that's the roman catholics where it's like well it is a synagogue actually you know so

00:42:30.360 so i've you know i've grown up i've you know evolved and matured a little bit over the years

00:42:34.900 and so i no longer have um the uh the like the cage stage aversion to you know uh catholics that

00:42:42.960 i i once uh did i view catholics as uh co-belligerents and we're working together um in

00:42:49.700 many many regards and honestly it's been the catholics that have been uh you know in many

00:42:54.880 ways kinder to me than uh protestants as i've exercised uh courage on some of these issues like

00:43:02.560 judaism and you know even world jew like it's one thing to say the zionist it's uh you know it's

00:43:11.180 one thing to say that the nation state of israel it's one thing to say netanyahu um it's one thing

00:43:17.120 to say Judaism. It's one thing to, but it's another thing to say world Jewry and to get a

00:43:24.600 little bit broader and to not say it universally. I think that it's a general reality. Generalities

00:43:31.620 always have exceptions, but to recognize, okay, what do I do with this Jewish billionaire who's 0.89

00:43:37.240 not an Israeli citizen? He's not holding any political office. He's secular. He thinks that 0.66

00:43:46.000 Judaism as a religion is a joke and he still can't help himself but do just as

00:43:52.000 much damage by being the owner of OnlyFans just you know this is a 0.98

00:43:55.600 hypothetical you know we like well Jeffrey Epstein they didn't rape and 0.90

00:43:59.800 abuse any Jewish girls did they right you know same as Mohammedans the 0.98

00:44:04.680 Pakistani Muslims in Britain they're not raping and abusing Pakistani Muslim 0.97

00:44:09.160 girls are they right so my point in all that is to say I don't have the aversion 1.00

00:44:13.540 towards the roman catholics that i once did right but um my desire now is i don't want to see rome

00:44:19.980 removed but i do want to see rome reformed i want to see rome repent which is what the reformers

00:44:25.460 were right there were catholics who wanted to reform the church and now we have the fast forward

00:44:29.740 500 years later people that wouldn't recognize themselves as catholics think that's the bad

00:44:33.740 word and actually they're more against catholicism than they are against the errors of the church

00:44:37.560 and more against catholicism than they are against judaism which is inverted i mean the enemy wants

00:44:43.240 Yeah. As I've continued to reform over the years, as an American, you find yourself often in a lower church format where you're down in megachurch, charismatic Christianity in Southern California, and you have to work your way back up to the historic faith. 0.89

00:45:01.380 and I became Presbyterian

00:45:06.100 then moved even a little bit shift

00:45:07.780 towards more Anglicanism

00:45:08.840 and understanding some of the historic

00:45:10.160 classical Protestantism.

00:45:12.540 And I think we need to see

00:45:16.380 that that trend is happening in the church.

00:45:18.100 It's a good thing.

00:45:18.760 And I think it's worth it.

00:45:20.520 I wanna talk about this relationship

00:45:22.560 between Rome and Protestantism and nationalism.

00:45:26.520 So I think that the dilemma you have

00:45:28.320 in the Catholic church,

00:45:30.000 the Roman Catholic church

00:45:30.720 is that yeah because of its universality element is that it understands the christian side of

00:45:36.960 christian nationalism right but it doesn't understand the nationalism side of christian

00:45:40.760 nationalism i'll talk to catholics like who are like good guys like they're they're traditional

00:45:45.120 they're conservative theologically um but i'll talk to them about something like immigration

00:45:49.860 and they'll say yeah immigration is a problem as it pertains to the muslims right well but then but 1.00

00:45:55.100 then i'll say yeah but what about like all these all these people from nations that are incompatible 0.70

00:46:01.240 with the west racially uh culturally um and they'll say well uh it depends like whether or not

00:46:09.440 they're for or against they'll say it depends are they catholic and the answer is nine out of ten

00:46:14.300 times it's like yeah a bunch of people from south america who have nothing in common with the west

00:46:18.480 are here but they're catholics and then i'll talk to this like traditional based catholic

00:46:23.640 and he'll be like hey they're catholics these vatican first catholics are like the baptists

00:46:28.740 who opt out of voting in politics because they're all about god's kingdom not the kingdom now it's 0.62

00:46:32.840 the same from the other end of the spectrum that's exactly that's right it's despised it's

00:46:36.360 gnosticism it's a it's another form of gnosticism that denies the physical reality and the importance

00:46:41.060 of nationhood and i think that if we can we can see that we are the first generation that has to

00:46:48.800 deal with theology around multiculturalism. Because no previous generation, we can't look

00:46:53.240 to the reformers, we can't look to the patristics, we can't look to any form of church history and

00:46:58.940 find them talking about multiculturalism. So why? Plains, trains, and automobiles.

00:47:02.880 Yes. Well, it's because we can't find it on transgenderism either, because they were issues 1.00

00:47:07.420 that did not exist. And so we are the very first generation who are dealing with multicultural

00:47:12.940 societies, with mass immigration, with planes, trains, and automobiles. And as a result,

00:47:16.540 we need to develop for the first time theology around race or nationalism or ethnicity.

00:47:23.020 And that makes people very uncomfortable because it is a sensitive topic and it's very personal.

00:47:29.660 Especially in America.

00:47:30.940 Especially in America, because we have been told a variety of lies and deception,

00:47:36.000 and we have white guilt, and we have history of slavery with all of these dimensions and

00:47:41.360 complexities that are layered upon one another. But the reality is the church must be willing

00:47:46.020 to sit down and do the hard scholastic work,

00:47:49.340 the hard theological work,

00:47:50.980 the hard political and statistical work,

00:47:53.140 and looking at these things honestly,

00:47:54.800 because right now we have a lot of national dishonesty

00:47:57.120 around conversation around these issues.

00:48:00.260 And it's gonna take a bold few

00:48:03.380 who are willing to start the conversation

00:48:05.200 and I think do it carefully, move the Overton window.

00:48:08.160 And I think Lord willing in the future,

00:48:09.920 there will be councils on discussing

00:48:11.480 these particular topics, bringing minds together,

00:48:13.900 creating some sort of statements or drafts of statements about what is a nation. Well,

00:48:19.260 we know what it is in according to the dictionary. We know what it is according to every other

00:48:22.920 nation, you know, 200 plus nations. We know what it is in history, but we're unable to say that

00:48:29.480 definition today without being called racist. So I think that Rome's got to have a problem with

00:48:35.720 the globalism element. Protestantism has a problem with the kingdom of God element. As long as we're

00:48:40.840 all christian this is let me let me keep talking here for a second this is what most christian

00:48:44.580 nationalists mean when they say christian nationalism they mean christian multiculturalism

00:48:48.580 or they they mean christian globalism the idea that hey the ethnic slurry that we have here

00:48:54.540 it took me a while and i would still define myself as a general equity theonomist

00:48:59.420 but i lost a lot of theonomist friends when i realized oh theonomy is just um it's just

00:49:07.160 political libertarians who are fine with globalism so long as there's a conversion on on the boat

00:49:12.880 correct and on the way over and this is the dilemma is that you have they're okay with

00:49:19.120 christian multiculturalism but then i ask well which christian culture right right because there

00:49:24.860 are i can go and go to ethiopia and watch the ethiopians uh worship christ and and really

00:49:30.360 probably enjoy myself and right but we have a variety of different uh cultures histories values

00:49:35.060 foods um that's important nature by biology in terms of you know uh their their climate and

00:49:43.040 demographic and and so which christian culture will take root and so we need to figure out

00:49:49.920 that christian nationalism means not just christian but it also means nationalist

00:49:53.660 and what is a nationalist and and this is the problem because people are going to hit back

00:49:59.140 against this idea of nationalism because they're going to just immediately go hitler which is fine

00:50:03.300 We've got to push through that.

00:50:04.420 Since the Tower of Babel, we've been separated into tribes for a reason.

00:50:07.080 In fact, God's always spoken to us through tribes, nations, and peoples. 0.90

00:50:10.240 But this all links into the Zionism problem. 0.81

00:50:12.320 Because people recognize that Israel is a group of people, in particular, in the Bible, that God spoke through and worked through.

00:50:18.080 And they just misidentify who Israel is now.

00:50:20.460 We, of course, are Israel as God's chosen people, as the church, as the people that make up his body.

00:50:25.680 But people are willing to say Israel is a particular group of people that has this particular relationship with God.

00:50:31.020 So they recognize what a nation is.

00:50:32.460 they recognize a group they just don't recognize where on the on the map it is or you're right i'm

00:50:37.420 a simple man i just want for my country what boomers want for israel yeah that's all i want

00:50:43.340 i just everything everything that mark levin wants for israel i just want half of that for america

00:50:49.520 that's i'm a simple guy but i in getting that though here because you're a new country in

00:50:55.040 england we have an ethnicity the english people are an ethnic people right they've been there for

00:50:59.280 over a thousand years um we've got scottish people we've got welsh people yeah they're all

00:51:03.380 connected race wise but real quick define ethnicity i think that this is helpful because

00:51:07.980 a lot of people get confused because everybody was gun shy about saying race and so they started

00:51:12.100 saying ethnicity as though it was a placeholder synonymous with race whereas i i don't think no

00:51:17.040 the two are synonymous can so i would say that define ethnicity welsh scottish are all part of

00:51:22.160 the the european race okay the white european race right but the ethnicity is is is partly race

00:51:27.640 partly culture, partly faith, partly heritage, lineage, ancestry. It's a group. It's a collective

00:51:33.220 group that does change over time, but it doesn't change overnight. And that's important because

00:51:37.300 the English people, you know, my mother's line of the family have been in that part of the world

00:51:42.260 for over a thousand years, right? That they are English. They are, they have a heritage in the

00:51:47.660 blood, a heritage in the soil. And these, you know, these people, people these days will say

00:51:51.540 those words problematic, but it means something because my country means something to me, not

00:51:55.080 just because i lived there not just because i was born there but because in my genetics i have a tie

00:52:00.700 to that place and so it's spiritual as well well it's actually again we talked about this earlier

00:52:05.620 but the the idea is um we know even by our skin color alone where god has providentially designed

00:52:11.820 us to be we know that if you're on the equator your skin may be darker for to allow a particular

00:52:17.560 level of vitamin d in which correlates with the type of diet that you might eat preference low

00:52:22.220 time preference yeah and so the reality is is that when you take god's order for if you put me

00:52:28.000 in sub-saharan africa right um can i can i live there i probably could live there but i'd have to

00:52:33.020 use all types of supplementation in order for me to function there right or if you take somebody

00:52:37.300 from uh you know uganda and you put them in uh norway norway and they're going to have to take

00:52:44.100 vitamin d supplementation their diet might be different right so i think that there's going to

00:52:48.480 We need to be more studied.

00:52:49.820 They probably won't be able to drink milk.

00:52:50.700 All these things add up. 0.92

00:52:51.580 So to be English is to be predominantly white,

00:52:53.860 predominantly Christian, speak the English language. 0.95

00:52:55.980 Now you can be English and not speak the English language. 0.98

00:52:58.280 You can be English and not be Christian. 0.99

00:53:00.180 You can be English, I mean, technically, 0.87

00:53:01.920 partly English and not be white.

00:53:03.480 But all these things together are important.

00:53:05.820 And people try to strip them out, say,

00:53:07.400 not all English people are this, that, and the other,

00:53:08.960 to mean that Englishness doesn't mean anything.

00:53:10.980 Right, exactly.

00:53:11.720 So people make the exception, the rule.

00:53:13.540 They make the footnote, the headline.

00:53:15.000 it's not just one component but but it it's more but it's not less if england was no longer

00:53:20.760 christian it would no longer be england correct so it's it's um it's it can't be less so like

00:53:26.260 when i think of ethnicity so race biology it's lineage it's blood um ethnicity is in my view is

00:53:34.820 broader than simply race but it contains race as a key component right it's not it's not minimal

00:53:42.360 it it matters but it's also not exhaustive so it's significant but it's not the whole enchilada

00:53:48.740 so when i think of ethnicity i think of and i use l's the alliteration helps for memory so maybe

00:53:54.200 the viewer this would be a benefit to you land you might call that soil lineage you might call

00:53:59.880 that blood right so those are two and i would say the the two first uh components of ethnicity so

00:54:06.100 land lineage beyond that would be language yep uh then you would have laws then you'd have loves

00:54:13.600 those are traditions and things and then i would also include liturgy there's the worship aspect

00:54:17.900 i would agree with all that but i would say faith comes first england in 927 was ad was founded as a

00:54:22.960 christian country so take that faith out all the other stuff doesn't really matter correct i i agree

00:54:27.480 so it's not necessarily an order of priority but all all six of these have to be included so we

00:54:33.600 could go liturgy then um lineage then land then language then laws then loves maybe you feel

00:54:41.960 but either way you slice it all six of those components so um when someone says well um a

00:54:48.460 nation when we speak of nationhood uh what is a nation uh well it's not just uh land and lineage

00:54:54.180 it's not just blood and soil it's not just people in place and and the answer is in a technical

00:54:59.720 sense, you're right. It is more than that. You are absolutely wrong though, in the intent of

00:55:06.060 why you're saying that. I know what you're trying to do. What you're saying is fine. What you're

00:55:11.140 trying to do with what you're saying is sinister because what you're asserting is technically

00:55:16.960 you're right because it's more, but what you're asserting or trying to get people to believe is

00:55:21.860 that it's somehow less. It's not less. So that being said, as it pertains to America, because

00:55:26.740 the uniqueness of our founding, all the way up until it fluctuated. But even as recent as 1910,

00:55:34.000 America was 90% European descent, white. But because of the uniqueness of slavery and these 0.99

00:55:40.640 kinds of things, I would say that America should not be monocultural and therefore should not be

00:55:49.640 mono-ethnic um or i'm sorry should not be um should not be multicultural and should not be

00:55:55.780 multi-ethnic america every nation for that matter should have one culture monoculture and one

00:56:02.440 ethnicity meaning one language that we speak one religion national religion um you know what one

00:56:09.400 one common descent that doesn't mean though in many nations case it will also be monoracial

00:56:15.980 it will be monoracial in the 21st century you can't avoid that but in the 21st century there

00:56:20.900 will be some except so i'm what i'm working for when i think of christian nationalism is

00:56:25.260 monocultural america mono uh ethnic america and the liturgy piece going back to those six l's

00:56:32.000 being christian of course and that being there being a public national declaration that the

00:56:37.400 lord jesus christ is lord of these united states uh adopting the preamble to the constitution

00:56:43.180 formally national day of repentance um everywhere where the founders failed to be explicit because

00:56:50.440 they said religion instead of christianity right and here's the deal i'm i'm oh so you hate the

00:56:54.900 founders no um the founders are not omniscient they could not conceive of the issues that we're 0.55

00:57:00.620 facing today they could not conceive of millions and millions of muslims they could not conceive 0.86

00:57:05.120 of a jewish stranglehold over our government um they and so they they didn't they did not prepare 0.92

00:57:12.600 for things that they did not think would ever be threats so yes i think the founders were glorious 0.95

00:57:18.040 in many regards some of them i don't like but but benjamin franklin was a bit of a degenerate you

00:57:23.540 know thomas jefferson not not much of a fan but adams was great washington was great jackson was

00:57:28.200 great um these are are wonderful wonderful people i think god for our founding i think god for our

00:57:33.460 heritage, but they are men, right? The best of men are men at best. And they missed some things,

00:57:39.560 not even because of a moral failure, not because of their fallenness, but because of their finitude.

00:57:45.180 They couldn't look through the corridor of time and know all the things that would transpire

00:57:50.540 over the centuries to come. So I think there needs to be, we need to set the record straight.

00:57:55.840 So there needs to be an explicit declaration made to the Lord Jesus Christ. It needs to be on paper.

00:57:59.680 it needs to be legislative in some capacity these kinds of things get the christian piece but then

00:58:05.960 you also have to get the nation piece you're right christian nationalism there's two big

00:58:09.440 ingredients in in that uh that equation and it's christian it's also nation and with the nation it

00:58:15.720 must be monocultural it must be mono ethnic um in america's case it will not be mono racial

00:58:21.900 correct although that said um it should still be predominantly white because that's our heritage

00:58:28.960 our history our founding and even currently to this day america is 59 white which means if

00:58:35.420 it's not predominantly white majority white it means if something happens in the future where

00:58:40.620 it's no longer majority white it means that um that a particular people that were the bedrock

00:58:46.060 right the wasp white anglo-saxon protestants the bedrock of america's foundation have been

00:58:53.100 replaced and to be able to account for that and not see it as some form of tragedy is immoral

00:59:00.380 that sounds like common sense to me yeah and it's a it's a form of national theft 0.69

00:59:03.980 and the sins that are being committed through immigration are the sins of envy they're the 0.53

00:59:09.900 sins of of stealing uh the there if you want to put like a sin on top of what's happening 0.54

00:59:15.820 is they're taking your children's inheritance we know uh that the constitution was written

00:59:21.580 and the benefits were for us and our posterity.

00:59:24.800 And you needed to find what the posterity was.

00:59:27.080 Well, we know that it was of European descent.

00:59:29.860 But again, when we had the 1789 Congressional Act,

00:59:33.900 the Naturalization Act that we would import 0.92

00:59:37.020 white men of good moral character

00:59:40.680 that stood basically until 1965,

00:59:43.400 until the Hart-Seller Act,

00:59:44.920 even in 1921, 824,000 people immigrated in 1921.

00:59:49.520 It was after World War I.

00:59:50.680 There was a bunch of displacement.

00:59:52.040 There were people all over the place. 1.00

00:59:53.200 They needed to look at their current national origin quotas

00:59:58.120 that they were operating off of. 0.97

01:00:01.280 That year, they allowed a certain number of immigrants 1.00

01:00:04.280 to come in that was unnatural compared to previous years. 1.00

01:00:08.260 In 1924, they actually tightened it down more.

01:00:11.760 But let me give you an example.

01:00:13.460 I think they allowed, I could be wrong,

01:00:16.520 but around 100 people from Africa to come out of that 824,000 people. Meaning that we were

01:00:24.180 highly, highly restrictive, allowing anybody to come from primarily Western European nations.

01:00:31.800 And then you'd have more quotas for Eastern European nations. It didn't mean that they

01:00:35.720 couldn't have somebody come from Africa or from another, an Asian country. Usually it was related

01:00:40.580 to maybe a family member was here. There was a unique exception. But when you don't have a

01:00:46.820 monoculture, you have nothing to assimilate to. And so assimilation demands and requires that you

01:00:52.920 have a majority of all of those categories that you listed, Joel. And so it's not that we're

01:00:59.820 against immigration completely. I think right now I'm against immigration completely until we have

01:01:03.900 an actual nation again. But if we had a nation as we did, I'm okay with having some form of 0.88

01:01:09.640 immigration that can be managed with actual measurable assimilation and assimilation isn't

01:01:15.200 instantaneous it's not it's multi-generational so my father will never be he was born in england 0.59

01:01:19.920 but he'll never be english because he doesn't have the lineage like his his parents were all

01:01:23.080 jamaican correct and so i mean we have a difference in our language so we can say he's a british

01:01:29.020 citizen but he's not english in america that's more difficult because what does it mean to be

01:01:32.380 american is it absolutely nothing here's the thing i just it should mean something we teddy

01:01:39.080 roosevelt said that there was an american ethnicity and that it was uh it was the the

01:01:45.380 eclectic of the celts the germanics um of course uh the anglos saxons you know this group of

01:01:53.180 european descendants and then coming to america over time by the time you're at teddy roosevelt

01:01:59.380 you already have a few hundred years so it was uh time i've used this analogy before uh time is like

01:02:05.480 the furnace uh the heat the coals of the furnace is adversity it's providence right so there has

01:02:11.280 to be a sovereign work of god there's something to overcome like i don't know a giant land mass

01:02:15.600 that needs to be settled for instance that you know that's uh whereas today people are not coming

01:02:20.220 with uh the coals the fire the adversity they're coming for a handout right right so now what we

01:02:24.980 have is we have a furnace but instead of taking what would happen in god's providence with america

01:02:29.800 that forged an ethnicity american ethnicity i would say it is actually it's like well there's

01:02:35.140 no such thing no it really did exist and one of our president said so um it's been breaking down

01:02:41.580 ever since over the last hundred years but there was a moment that it was achieved and and but what

01:02:47.060 it was it's like fashioning a blacksmith fashioning a sword you have the furnace that's the land uh

01:02:52.600 you have time right that's a key component you have the heat that's providence adversity and

01:02:58.300 then you have the metals and in the case of america at its founding you had distinct yet

01:03:03.340 closely related metals and you didn't have a thousand of them you had like six or seven or a

01:03:08.700 dozen so you have like a dozen ingredients all came all closely related right all cousins um so

01:03:14.340 you have like alloy and iron and some silver you know but now what we're doing is uh we turned the

01:03:20.680 furnace off. There's no more heat anymore. And instead of sitting the metals to weld together

01:03:27.080 over hours, we put them in there for five seconds with no coals turned on. And instead of it being

01:03:32.480 different metals, it's some metal, but also some straw and some dirt and some dung. I'll let you

01:03:40.400 guess which country, H1P visas, all of it coming in and saying, yeah, this will be fine. It's not 1.00

01:03:47.200 fine so america did have an ethnicity england it's much easier to answer that question but i

01:03:51.980 would advocate as an american that we did have an ethnicity that it could be regained but at the end

01:03:58.040 of the day it is going to require that millions go back mass deportations and i just think that

01:04:03.080 the neocons need to make up their mind if america is not if our nationhood is not people in place

01:04:08.780 but it's simply a proposition i still want my mass deportations that's what i voted for

01:04:13.320 So you're either going to ultimately deport millions of Democrats, Joe Biden, right?

01:04:20.180 If it's a proposition, American ideals, then Joe Biden and Nancy Pelosi need to be deported.

01:04:24.820 And I want everyone that they represent to be deported too.

01:04:28.740 Or it's going to be, oh, wait, wait, wait, no, a nation actually is a people and a place.

01:04:33.300 Great. 1.00

01:04:33.980 So then I want millions of immigrants deported. 1.00

01:04:37.280 but one way or another by god we'll have our home again and i would like to get my millions of 0.98

01:04:42.780 deportations you also need the language to articulate it so what is an american is it a

01:04:46.680 heritage is it a people because if you two went to live in saudi arabia tomorrow you could live

01:04:51.180 there as a citizen you couldn't vote you wouldn't be considered an arab but you could you could live

01:04:56.060 there yeah is there a degree of that in america can you come and live in america in america without

01:04:59.920 being described as an american yes you should i i think that that should be a category uh where

01:05:06.160 somebody is living here and and has not full citizenship but some kind of of degree um of

01:05:15.560 of ownership but they're not able to vote in elections they're not so you can't shape the

01:05:21.240 country can't mold it right yeah i think that you mentioned joel you know it's been falling apart

01:05:26.460 for the last hundred years i think actually it's really been falling apart really for about 50

01:05:29.760 years. Because even when Hart-Seller Act passed, you didn't start to see the taking advantage of

01:05:37.680 that immigration policy shift until about 1974. True. So you're talking, we have 50 years. And

01:05:45.120 that's important because- It is important because it makes it doable. It's so recent. I mean,

01:05:49.360 my parents were alive before. So if you think 100 years, you go, ah, man, maybe that train's

01:05:54.660 too far down the tracks. That's a good point. But you go, no, right now, it's really only 50

01:05:58.900 years. And, and when people get frustrated at, again, white Christian Americans who are saying,

01:06:05.740 I've been here for 400 years with my family. We are being, having mass immigration that is

01:06:13.460 reducing the ethnicity of America on mass scale. And it's taking my children's inheritance. It's 1.00

01:06:21.840 changing the land I once knew. I'm the kind of guy that has pictures of my fifth great

01:06:26.000 grandparents on my wall that are born in 1799 i mean i have a deep rich history in this place and

01:06:31.680 i care about it um if we just change the the discussion for a second we went to japan and we

01:06:37.020 say hey for japan japan's been around for so many thousands of years um and then all of a sudden

01:06:41.960 over the last 50 years it was immigrated through you know mass numbers of foreigners that came in

01:06:47.940 and a group of japanese nationals got together and said no we are going to take back what is

01:06:54.020 ours, nobody would say that that is wrong or that is racist or that is wicked. But here we are

01:06:59.720 in America doing the same thing. And again, there's not a racist bone in my body. The reality

01:07:06.840 is, is that I want what we had as a Christian identity, a Christian nation, an American identity.

01:07:15.900 And again, the conversations around what that looks like specifically as it pertains to race,

01:07:22.460 again we all say often there's heritage american blacks we bought half of the country from mexico 0.90

01:07:28.020 i want to get to that problem because in-group preference is a good thing right you're protecting 0.94

01:07:31.640 your own tribe that's good however if you deported all somalis tomorrow all the arabs tomorrow and 0.99

01:07:37.760 you got your country back to what it was you've still got the problem of you've got a great 0.94

01:07:41.820 african-american contingent that is not fully assimilated not integrated into american culture

01:07:46.740 or the ethnicity how do you solve that you let's let's round out the episode but uh i've talked

01:07:52.900 me and dale have talked more let's give it to you what do you think you you give some final thoughts

01:07:58.080 on that because that is the question and maybe you could just at least begin to don't answer it

01:08:02.960 entirely because it's really difficult but begin to tease it give some thoughts and maybe that's

01:08:07.740 our next episode okay so i think use me as an example right um afro-caribbean father white

01:08:15.260 british mother how do how am i integrated well through their marriage um through through the

01:08:21.840 fact that i took on board the british culture the language the english language the christian faith

01:08:26.380 uh but i was two cultures that came together through marriage right and if they lived separately

01:08:31.100 they would be one of them would be ghettoized so i don't know if the african-american culture

01:08:36.340 can continue as its own subculture in america without getting more and more degenerate and 0.86

01:08:40.940 deteriorating that should be that's going to be our next episode um because we've talked about

01:08:46.960 this dale we've talked about this calvin how should assimilation what's direction should it

01:08:51.020 speaking well ruth is a moabite yeah we need to talk about that she assimilates to uh israel 0.85

01:08:56.340 yeah through marriage yeah it's always marriage and and i'm going to get crap for this because

01:09:01.080 but didn't you just do a debate doesn't mean there's not an ideal doesn't mean there's not

01:09:04.540 exactly and and i would say yes i did do that debate um which my thesis every it was the

01:09:10.920 most moderate centrist position of all time my thesis was interracial marriage comma while being

01:09:17.960 biblically permissible it's not a sin no no none of church history or council anything has ever

01:09:23.860 demon and i'm not going to go against the church for 2 000 years so interracial marriage comma

01:09:29.140 while um being while while biblically permissible not a sin comma ordinarily or i'm sorry generally

01:09:37.760 so even general means not in every single case but in the macro in the macro generally goes

01:09:43.020 against god's ordinary slash normative plan for peoples nations and cultures banger stand by it

01:09:50.760 100 everyone can cope and seethe yeah but that said here's my point um in 1910 when teddy

01:09:56.920 roosevelt was saying we had an american ethnicity and he was not including blacks in that um at that

01:10:02.420 point when it was 90 white and only 10 black my thesis with interracial marriage could have still

01:10:09.160 stood because 90 white temper the math is simple here 80 of the white people yeah would have

01:10:15.820 married other white people right 10 of them yeah would have over time if we had held the borders

01:10:21.540 married blacks right and then eventually what that would look like over the course of not

01:10:26.800 thousands of years it doesn't even take that long but 100 to 250 years what it would look like

01:10:30.980 is one american race yeah okay would have happened so again your your statement on

01:10:37.400 interracial marriage you could actually even change that out for immigration you could say

01:10:40.220 immigration right while biblically permissible right is not normative exactly because true

01:10:46.140 immigration requires assimilation it's literally assimilation requires marriage and it literally

01:10:51.980 requires you to look at your skin to look at your nation nationality to look at your heritage 1.00

01:10:55.920 and to say, I want it to be different. 0.97

01:10:58.700 It's a form of transnationalism.

01:11:01.100 And it is something that, again, I do believe that it's-

01:11:04.760 It's a forsaking. 0.93

01:11:05.480 Ruth is forsaking her father, forsaking her people, 0.88

01:11:09.520 forsaking her gods.

01:11:11.000 She's totally losing herself into a new,

01:11:14.140 and again, I think that there are exceptions 0.95

01:11:16.420 and biblically permissible rationale for immigration,

01:11:20.560 just as there is for interracial marriage.

01:11:23.300 But they're not normative.

01:11:24.860 They've never been normative.

01:11:26.060 Of course not.

01:11:26.380 And I think that's, yeah,

01:11:27.420 I think it's a good conversation.

01:11:28.380 That's it.

01:11:28.760 Let's stop it there.

01:11:29.460 Stop it, yeah.

01:11:29.960 Because there's more to say.

01:11:31.100 So we'll recap, right?

01:11:32.980 The last 10 minutes of this conversation,

01:11:35.480 some form of it will be the first 10 minutes

01:11:38.220 of our next conversation to set the stage.

01:11:41.480 But that's a fascinating discussion.

01:11:43.760 Thank you guys for joining me.

01:11:45.600 It's a privilege.

01:11:46.660 I appreciate both of your ministries, your courage.

01:11:50.180 That's the biggest thing.

01:11:50.860 It's like, why are you guys doing something together?

01:11:53.020 You differ on this, you differ on that.

01:11:54.460 um courage that's the common denominator amen courage and uh it's in short supply

01:12:02.040 yeah you two men have it by the grace of god and i'm honored to get to do things with you

01:12:06.320 amen all right

01:12:24.460 We'll be right back.

The NXR Podcast - April 15, 2026

THE SPECIAL - A Brutal Critique Of The Church (w⧸Dale Partridge & Calvin Robinson)

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