The NXR Podcast - THE SPECIAL - Calling Out Conservative Grifters By Name! (w⧸Nick Fuentes) - EP4

00:00:00.700 At the end of the day, I've been right and they have all been wrong. 0.96

00:00:05.440 I've been beating the drum on Israel for 10 years and getting no help from anybody. 0.98

00:00:11.680 There's times that you're right and they're wrong, but at minimum, you could definitely 0.98

00:00:16.340 say that you were at least, even if you're both right, you were right first.

00:00:20.140 Yes, and all I would like is little recognition of, not even like, oh, a pat on the back,

00:00:26.500 but in some recognition when they say they they disagree with my tactics or my strategy

00:00:32.120 it's like okay but in many ways i changed the conversation and i don't know if it would have

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00:00:43.680 proven right over the years whether it was with yay or whatever it's like we've been at the tip

00:00:50.180 of the spear and you've been trailing behind so that that would be my i would just ask for a

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00:03:12.320 radical christian nationalist pastor joel webin joel webin i'm gonna talk about joel webin

00:03:22.740 joel webin is an accident

00:03:42.320 All right, here we are. Mr. Nicholas Fuentes, we are going to be calling out conservative grifters.

00:03:49.040 I feel like that's something you do, I don't know, every five seconds, pretty often.

00:03:55.460 Now, some of the guys, I've seen you call out, you know, guys, and I'm like, I kind of like that guy.

00:03:59.600 And maybe I'm wrong. Like, sometimes you know things that you'll say something,

00:04:04.180 and I'll be like, that's mean, or Nick, you're being stupid, you know. 0.99

00:04:08.120 And then six months go by, and I'm like, oh, he was actually kind of right. 0.98

00:04:11.700 and then there's some that i still disagree with and so we could push back a little bit but

00:04:15.280 a lot of your instincts have been correct and at a certain point it's i'm not going to just

00:04:20.820 take everything you say as gospel but um i'd be foolish not to uh to at least consider it

00:04:26.540 so uh let's start with you know maybe some of the obvious ones but i i would love if towards

00:04:31.600 the end of this episode maybe throw out a couple guys that people might be surprised by that you're

00:04:37.920 Like, I know you all kind of like so-and-so, but, right?

00:04:42.420 So that's what you do.

00:04:43.860 I feel like you're ready.

00:04:44.840 Who are some guys that you're like, that's not the real deal?

00:04:47.600 Hey, absolutely.

00:04:48.400 Yeah, I think that, you know, it's important, though, to define what a grifter is.

00:04:52.460 Yeah, do it.

00:04:52.840 Because, you know, in my opinion, because I try to be fair.

00:04:56.200 I try not to just rail against everyone I disagree with and say things about them that

00:05:01.620 aren't true.

00:05:02.920 Because I think there's a fine line between somebody who's a grifter and someone who is

00:05:07.180 just um maybe not awake or somebody who's not on board and to me a grifter is somebody that is

00:05:13.700 saying things that they know are not true because it's convenient because they'll make more money

00:05:19.160 that way and i gotta be honest with you the the people that i have the biggest problem with it's

00:05:24.520 guys like matt walsh i have to say matt walsh and michael knowles to me are the biggest ones and

00:05:30.040 they're both catholic i know those should be your guys i know and and that's the thing is um well

00:05:36.100 let me let me go on the record real quick because i don't want to be hypocritical i like matt walsh

00:05:40.300 and actually this i think will maybe surprise some of the listeners but um i like matt walsh

00:05:45.940 and kind of like a blue collar every man he just got like that um he just has common sense in spades

00:05:52.060 right he just right you know he's good on that but michael knolls is actually i think

00:05:56.520 more based people usually think matt walsh you know uh but michael knolls he understands like

00:06:02.700 He's more like the Christian monarch, and he knows the Catholic philosophy

00:06:07.380 and the history and stuff like that.

00:06:09.380 So Michael Knowles, I think in some ways, is more on board for like,

00:06:13.700 let's set up a Christian monarch and Christian nationalism than even Walsh would be.

00:06:17.520 But both of them do really well in a lot of ways,

00:06:21.040 but they're never going to call out Jews. 0.63

00:06:23.040 Right.

00:06:23.500 So I get that.

00:06:24.560 Well, and that's the issue is it's not that I don't like them as guys.

00:06:28.920 I mean, over the years, I have come to have a little more respect for them.

00:06:33.660 They're Catholic.

00:06:34.800 They're fellow travelers on some level. 0.95

00:06:36.780 They're white.

00:06:38.020 You know, Michael Knowles is Italian.

00:06:39.920 He's Sicilian.

00:06:40.820 I'm Calabrian.

00:06:41.980 So we were a little different as Italians as far as Italians go. 0.79

00:06:45.200 But what is very frustrating about them is here's what I will say in their defense. 0.97

00:06:52.440 I think that they both, the way they look at it, it's a tradeoff,

00:06:56.920 which is that they get to enjoy the daily wire platform where they get to push the ball down the

00:07:03.580 field on some of the issues they care about and on the issues they care about they're very good

00:07:08.880 yeah like matt walsh to his credit has been a champion against the transgender movement yeah

00:07:16.920 really and he's got laws changed yeah in tennessee like real effects yes he's summoned his people to

00:07:23.040 the school boards his documentary was unbelievable he changed the conversation on that issue he did

00:07:28.860 and that was admirable and i admire that as an activist as a broadcaster i think is very powerful

00:07:33.780 um so i think his heart they're good guys i think they're generally pushing in the right direction

00:07:40.380 as social conservatives catholics and they've also i would say maybe matt walsh more so they've

00:07:47.100 been good on race yeah too now walsh has been very brave on the white identity front against

00:07:53.680 immigration diversity crime here's the problem though for me at least and maybe i just it's a

00:08:00.600 difference of opinion my message is america first and so that's really not about conservatism in

00:08:08.220 any way shape or form because conservatism inherently is about like retarding social

00:08:13.420 progress right uh and that that has like a negative connotation but that could be a good

00:08:18.320 thing like progress is a spook in some ways is there a progress that's a question um america

00:08:25.240 first is not about that it's about whether we have sovereignty which is extremely specific

00:08:30.900 it's whether the american people actually have a say over the big decisions that happen in our

00:08:38.240 country whether they're made by the public or private sector and that has to do with whether

00:08:42.500 we're independent whether we're free whether as citizens we really still have a government of by

00:08:47.940 and for the people and so i came of up during the trump generation and his message was basically

00:08:55.840 about that on some levels an anti-corruption message and so to me it's like if you are not

00:09:01.780 america first and and the biggest obstacle to that of course is the israel lobby at least on

00:09:06.520 the right wing then you're kind of a traitor and i identify ben shapiro like some would call him a

00:09:15.040 grifter i would say he's just a foreign operative because he believes in what he says but he's just

00:09:19.640 agitating for a foreign government he's on israel's side not america's and so to see matt walsh and

00:09:25.800 michael knowles they're two catholic guys they're good guys they're pro-white they're patriotic

00:09:32.060 for them to be in the camp with Shapiro working for him

00:09:36.440 and in a way, buttressing what his message is,

00:09:41.100 almost like inoculating him from criticism.

00:09:44.300 Right, because anybody who doesn't like Ben Shapiro,

00:09:46.960 the immediate retort is, but Matt Walsh,

00:09:49.460 how bad could he be?

00:09:50.440 You know, because Matt Walsh.

00:09:51.720 Exactly.

00:09:52.460 And they'll say, it's keeping Daily Wire afloat.

00:09:57.360 If Daily Wire was just Andrew Klavan and Ben Shapiro,

00:10:00.580 would it have any cachet right absolutely not it's knolls and walsh holding it up and i just

00:10:06.360 look at a guy like that and say he's doing a lot of good he he is uh clearly very popular

00:10:12.980 but does he want his legacy to be standing next to ben shapiro and giving him plausible

00:10:19.600 deniability giving him cover with the white people with the christians uh and that's where

00:10:25.680 you know it's kind of funny like people have defamed my friends with the guilt by association

00:10:31.340 for years people say i don't agree with everything he says but it's like do you really want to do

00:10:35.820 that for shapiro which is kind of platform him and give him a seat at the table i think that's

00:10:41.620 problematic and um so i i would call them out and say i think they could survive on their own

00:10:49.380 candace owens and i we have our differences but she did something very courageous when she went

00:10:55.180 against shapiro and when she went out on her own she achieved heights that she never did a daily

00:11:00.960 wire didn't hurt her at all no right it helped her yeah and so if anything she proved it's possible

00:11:07.200 that you can survive off of the daily wire plantation you can thrive actually so i would

00:11:13.220 love and i said this before i've been very harsh towards both of them and in some ways i regret it

00:11:19.840 i've been very harsh i've been pretty tough on them almost almost daily you know in the comments

00:11:26.280 of matt walsh you know he says something that's good and i know you agree with it and your comment

00:11:31.160 will be leave the daily wire you know or like you know something like that i say you work for

00:11:36.100 ben shapiro daily reminder yeah right and it's like a one-sided beef but i've really said some

00:11:41.980 intense stuff towards them but it's only out of just like a deep frustration it may be retconning

00:11:47.740 it. But I'm so frustrated because they could do so much good on the right side. And I know it's

00:11:55.340 their prerogative. It's their life and it's their job. And they can pursue their own strategy,

00:12:01.160 of course. But I know everybody would love to see them really take their own side. You don't

00:12:06.360 need Shapiro and Klavan. You could do your own thing. And the last thing I'll say, though, is

00:12:10.780 this the one thing which is really inexcusable i always tell people and we're doing shows about

00:12:17.900 this subject also i tell people it's okay to conceal your views but you can't lie you can't

00:12:25.060 because that helps the enemy when you lie and and it's also immoral and what i really can't stand

00:12:32.540 is when matt walsh went on tucker carlson they talk about israel and matt walsh said well you

00:12:39.520 know, I'm just not obsessed with Israel. I'm pro-America, he said. And, you know, I think if

00:12:45.520 you're preoccupied with Israel, positive or negative, that that's a problem, he said. And

00:12:50.840 a number of other things, he said, I think Israel, they have a right to defend themselves and they

00:12:56.020 can defend themselves on their own. And I'm like, that's not true. Like, that's a lie. That's a

00:13:01.920 disingenuous. If America wasn't proffering up Israel, they'd be in a world of hurt. And he knows 0.97

00:13:07.220 that i think everyone knows that and it's disingenuous even to frame it that way because

00:13:11.860 to take this position that i just don't care about gaza okay but america is we're on the hook for 0.59

00:13:20.280 that in every way shape and form it's detrimental to our country and this arrangement exists because 0.79

00:13:26.800 of corruption so you can't recuse yourself and say well that's happening over there yeah but

00:13:32.900 we're involved and we're involved because of what's happening here so i thought that was very

00:13:38.200 disingenuous and i just wish that they would be as forceful on that issue as they are on the other

00:13:43.400 things and i think that's there's a deception there i don't like that yeah so more than just

00:13:48.960 we don't touch it but even at least on a couple occasions saying something that was categorically

00:13:55.440 untrue right like israel is a big boy and they're great and in their own right and they can do their

00:14:00.560 own thing um when they they literally can't it's not like uh israel i just want to stay out of it 0.54

00:14:06.360 it's like no we are we are actually actively propping them up and um and we have somebody

00:14:12.640 has to say enough right all right who are some others i would say that um and again this is kind

00:14:20.520 of like a different category why i really can't stand lately is josh hammer who's also a daily

00:14:28.440 wire alum he i believe he's now at newsweek and josh hammer he's i don't know if you're familiar

00:14:33.780 with him a little bit he uh he was at nat con yes right okay he was on a panel um at nat con

00:14:41.020 and i had a friend on that panel who's still a friend but i wasn't stoked i didn't love that

00:14:47.780 yeah yeah well he's been around forever and he was a daily wire for a long time and i think he

00:14:52.860 went away and i think he has some role there now although i'm not sure and what i knew this guy for

00:14:59.740 for many years is that he would frequently tweet that white people are inherently anti-semitic

00:15:06.220 he's tweeted it on at least two or three occasions he says that well white people

00:15:10.900 are historically christian right yeah historically so you know and the new testament like i got in

00:15:17.780 big trouble because i said the bible is anti-semitic i don't think in an objective sense

00:15:22.120 But what I was trying to say is that not just the ADL, right?

00:15:26.460 It's easy to like, oh, the ADL.

00:15:28.760 It's not just the ADL.

00:15:30.980 There are multiple clear biblical principles

00:15:33.780 that I could just change a couple words

00:15:35.360 and basically essentially just quote the New Testament

00:15:37.940 and what Jesus said.

00:15:39.800 And it's not just the ADL.

00:15:41.160 Ben Shapiro would say that's anti-Semitic.

00:15:42.900 Yes.

00:15:43.540 And so my point when I said, you know,

00:15:45.260 the Bible is anti-Semitic, 0.78

00:15:46.360 I was trying to make a point and say that like,

00:15:48.460 you guys are so concerned about anti-Semitism, 0.70

00:15:50.340 But if your chief standard in morality becomes avoiding anti-Semitism, you will compromise the New Testament. 0.81

00:16:01.500 You will. 0.99

00:16:02.580 Yeah, that's 100% true.

00:16:04.420 And that's even happening with the Catholic Church.

00:16:07.080 They're putting on Good Friday, they put in like a little piece of paper inside the missile, which is sort of like a disclaimer. 0.93

00:16:18.260 Because, of course, for centuries, the Catholics would pray for the perfidious Jews on Good Friday. 0.91

00:16:23.620 And the story on Good Friday is that the Jews call for the death of Christ. 0.97

00:16:27.580 And so on the, I don't know if it was the Holy Thursday or the Easter Sunday Mass, that's part of it.

00:16:34.300 And the Catholic Church put in like a disclaimer that says this is, we do not do that anymore. 0.84

00:16:39.580 This is anti-Semitic.

00:16:41.200 So, yeah, you really can't faithfully talk about the gospel without leaning into that territory.

00:16:46.640 That's part of the story.

00:16:47.640 right and people always say well the romans killed jesus i when that was a big thing like a couple

00:16:52.380 years ago like who killed jesus you know and like i think biblically like what i told people is um

00:16:57.340 you could list at least five different like the father killed jesus he was it pleased him before

00:17:03.260 the foundations were laid to crush the son for our iniquity uh jesus killed jesus no one takes

00:17:08.320 my life from me but i freely lay it down of my own accord right he could have called a legion of

00:17:12.380 angels to deliver him at any time he says this explicitly so jesus willingly goes to the cross

00:17:16.760 He forfeits his own life.

00:17:18.180 The father ordains it.

00:17:19.960 You and I, all of us, our sin killed Jesus.

00:17:22.640 I mean, that's one of the truest answers. 0.59

00:17:24.800 The Romans killed Jesus in the literal sense of driving the nails.

00:17:28.880 So there's a lot of different accounts,

00:17:31.920 but there's only one that I'm continually told I can't say.

00:17:35.080 Right.

00:17:35.440 So I'm going to say that one even louder.

00:17:36.960 So my point is like, I would agree that it is a multifaceted answer.

00:17:42.760 But at the same time, one, I'm being told I can't say.

00:17:45.700 and then secondly um it's not just that i'm being told i can't say the jews killed jesus so i'm

00:17:50.740 going to say it louder that that is part of it uh but in addition to that yeah the romans um

00:17:55.360 scourged him the romans uh drove the nails you know through his hands and pierced his side with

00:18:00.180 a spear that's true uh but i mean pilot is pretty clear like i mean he at the in the end he

00:18:06.940 compromises and he's a politician you know and he he's up for re-election and you know he's over 0.98

00:18:12.020 that district and so he you know he uh he he cowered a coward is cowardly and chickens out 0.93

00:18:19.020 um but but pilot didn't want to do it so like now he washes his hands but he is guilty right i mean 0.92

00:18:27.240 it's in our creeds pontius you know suffered under pontius pilot um so like he is guilty um but

00:18:33.460 there is a difference between i ultimately made the decision and so therefore i bear

00:18:37.840 guilt versus we conspired in the middle of the night to hold a kangaroo court a mock trial where

00:18:44.420 we produced false witnesses and then we went and bribed and stirred up the crowds to say give us

00:18:48.800 you know this this thief barabbas instead of you know like right i mean it's not the same so yes

00:18:54.000 the romans killed jesus but the jews really killed jesus you know and then and then also everything 0.69

00:19:00.780 already said my sin really killed jesus and the father ordained it and the son gave up his life

00:19:05.120 all are true um but not in the same way and only one of them um am i being told i can't say yes

00:19:12.180 i totally agree with all of that um and and so on some level there's something true there

00:19:17.740 uh but this guy josh hammer he says for years europeans it's in their dna he says literally

00:19:25.880 it's genetic that they're anti-semitic that's how i knew him and he's married to an israeli

00:19:31.580 His kids are Israeli.

00:19:33.180 He's been to Israel. 0.99

00:19:34.120 Like he's in the pocket of Israel.

00:19:36.020 And I see him making the rounds now 0.66

00:19:38.360 and doing all the shows of Mark Levin and everybody else.

00:19:41.360 And they're all pushing this line.

00:19:43.460 First of all, so hateful. 1.00

00:19:45.980 Anyone that criticizes Israel to them is filth, garbage. 1.00

00:19:50.040 Like you really need to listen to the way a Shapiro 1.00

00:19:52.300 or a Mark Levin or a Josh Hammer,

00:19:55.440 the way they talk about anybody that criticizes Israel.

00:19:58.520 Yeah, not just you,

00:19:59.240 the way they would talk about Tucker Carlson.

00:20:00.820 anybody and there's no charity yeah it's never like they're misguided they're radical it's their 0.98

00:20:07.600 filth they're garbage they're nothing and i that's something that always weighed on me like they're 0.85

00:20:12.420 very these are not nice people like they're bad people and josh hammer has been pushing this line 0.99

00:20:19.900 they all have lately about this like woke right yeah they identify with the woke left lindsey

00:20:27.900 coined it i think yes yes um but they they are it's really fascinating because if you pay very

00:20:36.000 close attention to the pro-israel types even like a joe lonsdale we talked about in another show he

00:20:41.720 runs the founders fund with peter teal he was a peter teal acolyte he was at stanford review

00:20:47.120 which teal founded uh and he invests in a lot of these tech companies he's jewish and i watched he

00:20:54.480 did a recent interview with somebody and he says his hero that he thinks everyone should emulate

00:21:00.800 is cyrus the great from xenophon i wonder why because he helped the jews yes because cyrus is

00:21:07.440 considered a messiah messiah-like figure for delivering the jews and building the second

00:21:12.260 temple he goes in there and says we really need to focus on fighting the bad guys and who are the

00:21:17.420 bad guys he says it's islamists the progressive left and the woke right and it's like

00:21:24.300 if you pay very close attention, you will find this come up over and over in the work of Brett

00:21:31.200 Stevens, Barry Weiss, Mark Levin, Josh Hammer, Lonsdale, Alex Karp. This is like the central

00:21:39.520 lie, which is they've created basically like a Trojan horse Potemkin village ideology that they 0.62

00:21:49.280 call conservatism and it is basically they created it to oppose all of their enemies so like if you

00:21:57.380 read a new york times bestseller written by a conservative author they're going to say who are 0.76

00:22:02.380 the enemies of conservatism islamists the woke left and the woke right what do they all have in

00:22:08.540 common well among other things they're all harsh critics of israel but they come up with all they 0.93

00:22:14.820 say well these are the bad guys these are the totalitarians these are identitarians they come

00:22:20.740 up with many different like layers of analysis to vilify them anything that will suit anything that

00:22:27.940 will suit the fundamental interest which is to vilify those who criticize israel you know for

00:22:32.980 example they came up with this term woke right and i believe you're right it's james lindsey which

00:22:36.880 is funny because james lindsey is a new atheist right he comes from the new atheist yeah i mean

00:22:42.620 His early adulthood, his chief goal was to tear down Christianity.

00:22:46.540 Yes, in the same vein as Christopher Hitchens 0.94

00:22:50.240 and all the famous atheists from that generation. 0.97

00:22:54.500 Who utterly lost, by the way. 0.67

00:22:56.100 Yes.

00:22:56.500 Like, praise God, in 2025, it's actually the hardest thing 0.89

00:23:01.100 about telling your dad you're an atheist is telling him that you're gay.

00:23:04.460 Like, seriously, by the grace of God,

00:23:07.140 Christians actually, I think, really won that battle decisively.

00:23:10.220 Absolutely. Yeah. That's a whole other subject, but I totally agree with you. But so he comes from, it's just the irony. He's a new atheist. He's pro-gay. He's pro-diversity. And he's calling us woke. 0.92

00:23:24.400 Right.

00:23:24.840 Okay, so what does woke mean then?

00:23:26.560 I thought that woke meant

00:23:28.520 that you're radically progressive.

00:23:31.020 I thought that,

00:23:31.860 because woke comes from this like stay woke idea.

00:23:35.100 Right.

00:23:35.480 And that comes from almost like a jive, 0.95

00:23:37.840 like black power being woke is being like conscious. 0.92

00:23:41.580 Awake to minority oppression. 1.00

00:23:43.120 Yeah, having like a class consciousness, 0.96

00:23:45.080 a black consciousness, being cultural Marxist. 0.69

00:23:48.720 And so stay woke meant like 0.55

00:23:51.180 being the tip of the spear of the radical left.

00:23:54.420 And now there's taking that and applying it to the right

00:23:57.600 and saying, well, that's because the right talks about race too.

00:24:01.700 But we're ideologically far right.

00:24:04.160 We're ideologically completely different than the far left.

00:24:07.640 And what you realize that they have in common,

00:24:09.840 what woke is it's like it's a completely made-up term

00:24:14.580 without any content.

00:24:16.420 Like what actually does woke mean?

00:24:17.840 It doesn't mean anything in itself.

00:24:19.580 like if you say conservative that actually has a denotative meaning right to conserve to to hold

00:24:26.320 back um to be restrained but woke does not actually have a denotative meaning only a

00:24:33.140 connotative meaning only a contextual meaning so it's a word with really no content that they're

00:24:38.980 just applying to anybody that they consider outside of the consensus and to them that is

00:24:45.660 literally anybody that isn't pro-israel yeah they because they wouldn't call for example steve sailor

00:24:51.960 woke right they wouldn't call um you know i can't think of another example alex carp yeah alex carp

00:25:00.060 is is a pretty far right guy yeah he's in favor of ethnically cleansing gaza he's far right just

00:25:05.740 not on israel right he's a jewish nationalist and that's why i think it's helpful i've just

00:25:09.560 started saying um there's you know there's the left um and then there's the kosher right

00:25:14.840 Because that's really, the dividing line is not wokeness. 0.51

00:25:17.240 The dividing line is your position on Israel. 0.86

00:25:20.780 And so there's the left, there's the right, and then there's the kosher right. 0.85

00:25:24.340 Yes. 0.85

00:25:24.660 And that would not be us, that's them.

00:25:27.080 Well, and then you have to take a step back and say, okay,

00:25:30.500 so if the woke left and woke right are the problem,

00:25:35.060 and what makes them the problem is they're not kosher, they're not pro-Israel,

00:25:38.380 who's always the third camp? 0.57

00:25:39.820 It's always the Islamists. 0.88

00:25:41.560 Let's think about it in the context of the current conflict. 0.98

00:25:44.520 Israel is fighting Hamas and Iran and what Iran and Hamas have in common yes they're Muslim 0.87

00:25:52.560 and they're anti-Israel but unlike Egypt and Jordan they're Islamist and Islamism is when 0.56

00:26:00.140 you believe that Islam should be the governing religion or ideology of the country Iran has a

00:26:05.760 theocracy led by clerics Hamas is part of the Muslim Brotherhood they believe Islam should be 0.86

00:26:11.200 the doctrine of the state when you zoom out you realize that the islamists are fighting israel in

00:26:18.760 the middle east it's iran backing hezbollah hamas the houthis but it is the progressive left and

00:26:26.540 the far right in america that are undermining america's support for israel which pays for

00:26:31.900 israel to fight the islamists so when you see a guy like josh hammer mark levin all these guys

00:26:38.620 and they're doing interviews and books

00:26:40.400 and they're trying to like frame the conversation.

00:26:43.860 They're setting the table in such a way

00:26:45.840 that says it's woke left, woke right, 0.97

00:26:48.300 and Islamists as the enemy. 0.99

00:26:49.760 They're the bad guys. 1.00

00:26:50.900 And it's us Judeo-Christian conservatives on the other.

00:26:53.920 You realize very clearly what they're doing here, 0.72

00:26:56.360 which is to set the table in such a way

00:26:58.960 because your ordinary American would say,

00:27:01.140 I'm not woke and I'm xenophobic towards Islam. 1.00

00:27:05.200 You know, I don't like Islam for valid reasons. 1.00

00:27:07.080 I don't like Muslim immigration. 1.00

00:27:08.620 you realize they're painting conservatives into a corner where the only way to be a true conservative 1.00

00:27:13.660 is to never oppose Israel. And it's like, this is a huge slice of the institutional right wing.

00:27:21.260 This is Fox News. This is Blaze TV run by Glenn Beck. That's Prager U, Daily Wire. That's

00:27:27.460 Breitbart. They're all under that umbrella. And I would say, so, you know, I don't call those

00:27:36.260 people grifters because they're clearly believe what they're saying but they are doing something

00:27:42.200 which is basically like a very contrived and sophisticated lie and when i hear it i just lose

00:27:48.880 my mind because it's like you're lying like everything that you're saying is is in bad faith

00:27:55.880 and a lie that that whole labeling system that whole frame it is completely convoluted when i

00:28:02.900 watched that thing with joe lonsdale and he says we gotta fight the bad guys it's the woke left the

00:28:09.000 woke right the islamist i like cyrus the great it's like you're you're concealing what you're

00:28:14.160 really about and in that way i guess there's something like being a shill about that yeah so 0.95

00:28:19.180 that that would be like a whole category of people that i'm i think are really the biggest problem

00:28:23.640 right now yep one of the things i've noticed uh with nat con and stuff and like there's a lot of

00:28:28.240 things coming out of nat con that i'm like yeah i agree with that that's really good um but one of

00:28:32.280 things that i've noticed that i that i think is subversive is um it'll regularly be said you know

00:28:37.280 christian nationalism is a good thing and i'm a christian nationalist i like it you know but

00:28:41.060 they'll say you know the three parties that are privy to this christian nationalist project are

00:28:45.240 you know protestants catholics i'm like huh huh and jews i'm like wait what come again you know 0.99

00:28:51.080 it's like the three-headed dragon where one of them's like stupid and the other two are like 0.98

00:28:54.400 looking at you know i'm like how how did jews make the team you know and and so that's just 0.99

00:28:58.920 kind of like slipped in. Um, and, and I think, I think everybody kind of instinctively knows that 0.78

00:29:05.200 like, okay, Protestant Catholics, you know, we have our divide, but, um, but certainly there's

00:29:09.760 a lot more in common between two people that believe Christ is Lord and a third group of

00:29:13.940 people that believe he's, you know, he's in hell. And so, um, so that third one is like,

00:29:18.500 is already, um, so nonsensical that you kind of need to compare it and contrast it with something

00:29:24.980 even further or something that at least you know by appearance seems further so that you can say

00:29:29.420 oh you know like almost like the uh the thing of like the moderate centrist you know and then the

00:29:34.260 left you know runs away and then all of a sudden like they find themselves on the right even though

00:29:38.400 they didn't move the left moved you know that that meme that was popular in 2020 um and i feel like 0.84

00:29:43.160 they're kind of doing that with jews they're like we we know that people aren't going to fall for

00:29:46.460 that there's protestants and catholics and jews are right there next to them because obviously 0.99

00:29:49.920 they're not um but if we can uh pick a bad guy a monster you know that's so far over here 0.99

00:29:56.620 past you know jews then then it can make it and so i think you know muslims have kind of been 1.00

00:30:02.740 the boogeyman you know that they use and i'll be completely honest um i hate islam i absolutely do 1.00

00:30:09.740 i think it's a demonic ideology and i'm not a fan i'm a christian but um all the videos that come 0.99

00:30:15.560 out you know of like muslims chanting you know death to america and those kinds of things i do 0.94

00:30:19.700 i do think that there are plenty of muslims that really do you know in the middle east that hate 0.94

00:30:23.060 america um but i think it's worth asking why you know and as i've delved into some of that um

00:30:30.560 it's like do they really hate america because um of america in and of itself like what what are we

00:30:37.520 you know what are we doing you know that's that's affecting them that's hurting them and the reality

00:30:42.040 is like well they kind of hate us not all of them but some of them really do hate us but it's because

00:30:47.440 of our meddling it's because of our involvement it's because of our intervention that is you know

00:30:52.060 it's regime changes that make things worse you know and cause this and cause that um and so much

00:30:57.920 of that is because of our our our being allied to israel if if america didn't have any any

00:31:04.720 partnership with israel i don't know if the middle east if the muslims would hate us as much as they

00:31:09.440 do you know so i feel like so to say like well muslims you know because that's that's the

00:31:14.240 justification that they give is like you don't think muslims are the chief enemy like look at 0.55

00:31:18.400 this video where they're burning the american flag you know whatever and but but if you go just 0.93

00:31:22.880 a little bit further and say okay but why why the animosity not for all but some muslims in the

00:31:28.360 middle east towards america and and if you really start to dive into that that question a lot of the

00:31:35.000 the conclusion is because of america's partnership with israel i agree with that and i would take a

00:31:41.420 step further and just say that because this is where they always get you they say well you you

00:31:46.120 love muslims that's what they say to me right they say you're an apologist for muslims you want to 1.00

00:31:51.080 ally with muslims and i would say that we just simply cannot look at islam and the way it's

00:31:56.660 talked about outside of the context which is that israel's at war with the muslim world 0.97

00:32:02.960 And so they want Americans to be preoccupied with Islam and Muslims because they are the Jews enemy. And so if there's this intense animosity towards Muslims and the Muslim world from Americans, then we're sympathetic to the war against the Taliban, the global war on terror, the war in Iraq, all these different things.

00:32:25.640 i would say i i don't want muslims to come here and i don't like islam but what exactly do they 0.67

00:32:33.220 have to do with america there's not many of them here actually they're a problem in europe there's 1.00

00:32:38.240 way too many of them in europe and they're a problem in some cities in america where they've 1.00

00:32:43.520 overrun like dearborn michigan or in minneapolis there's a lot of somalians but by and large 1.00

00:32:48.160 they're a tiny fraction of the population here people talk about sharia law i want to say

00:32:53.460 we're living under like the Noahide laws like Reagan passed something that said that we live

00:32:59.840 under the Noahide laws at the behest of the Chabad Lubavitchers under Schneerson and you go to like 0.81

00:33:07.140 a grocery store look at how many of the products on the shelves are kosher and look at how much 0.64

00:33:13.160 of our society is built around sensitivity to the Jewish community right the Holocaust education

00:33:20.880 It's like Sharia law. We're mandated to learn about the Holocaust. It's like we're practically mandated to celebrate Hanukkah on some way. We're eating kosher food at the grocery store. And look at our elites. Look at who donates the money to the campaigns, who owns the media companies. 0.78

00:33:37.560 so you cannot divorce it from the context which is that israel is in a civilizational war with 0.75

00:33:45.100 the muslims and that that is reflected in the jewish ownership of the media when you see this

00:33:50.620 fear-mongering about sharia law in america it's something that doesn't exist and if muslims really

00:33:56.740 are the enemy and and i think spiritually speaking there is there is um a lot of reality to that but

00:34:03.540 i'm talking about your josh hammers and guys like that the way that the rhetoric that they use

00:34:07.340 um if there's such an enemy then why do we resource israel with our tax dollars so that 0.65

00:34:13.320 they can fight wars with muslims to displace them and then jews in america with their policies vote 0.95

00:34:19.300 to open the doors for them to come as refugees here if muslims are you know the greatest enemy 1.00

00:34:24.620 then surely we wouldn't want more here right um but when you think of how how judaism and islam 1.00

00:34:30.180 actually they're certainly at war with each other but how they work in tandem in concert uh to 0.90

00:34:35.640 disrupt america i think the the formula is rather simple um muslims invade and jews hold open the 0.77

00:34:42.260 door yeah 100 there's no doubt so like if so my point is like okay i'll concede your point um 0.97

00:34:49.420 islam is a problem okay um it's not as much of a problem here as it is there and as far as it is 0.64

00:34:56.700 a problem here and not wanting more muslims in america i don't know how to have that conversation 0.52

00:35:02.680 without at least including as a line item in that conversation uh shouldn't we identify which people 0.97

00:35:09.700 in politics and in media and among our elites in america keep keep opening the doors for the muslims

00:35:16.540 to come because you look at you look at that and it's like it's disproportionately jews major well 0.94

00:35:23.140 Well, and I would even go further and say they want us not to like Muslims, okay, but we don't like Jews anymore. 0.96

00:35:31.380 If we have a problem with Muslims and, say, we have a problem with their faith and their ideology and maybe they're here in opposition to Western civilization, are the Jews any different? 0.84

00:35:41.880 I would say they're about the same to me. 0.98

00:35:44.320 And the only difference is at least Muslims and Islam represent an overt challenge. 1.00

00:35:50.720 Correct. 1.00

00:35:51.180 Because we have it.

00:35:52.020 It's visible.

00:35:53.040 Right, and we have a history of warfare.

00:35:55.540 They're here to conquer. 0.68

00:35:56.740 I don't think they even hide that in Europe.

00:35:58.700 I mean, they're imperialists,

00:36:00.500 the way they play their call to prayer,

00:36:02.780 the way they gang up in these European countries. 1.00

00:36:06.320 But the Jewish people put the hyphen in 0.93

00:36:08.840 and say, it's Judeo-Christian,

00:36:10.760 we're your closest ally, we're your best friend.

00:36:13.360 And I always like to do as a thought experiment, 1.00

00:36:17.180 you know, think about how the Jews 0.84

00:36:19.180 talk about the Palestinians, 0.91

00:36:20.560 Palestinians hatred hate them there was a piece in first things magazine a catholic magazine 0.87

00:36:25.680 that said there's a virtue in hating the Palestinians and they hold them collectively 0.98

00:36:30.760 guilty and they laugh about the famine about the dying innocents they say there are no innocents 0.97

00:36:36.440 what crime did the Palestinians commit specifically they opposed Israel and you look 0.58

00:36:44.860 the israelis treated the survivors of the nazi regime in the exact same way hunted them down

00:36:51.500 years after the fact israeli spies yeah do you think for one second that if america turned on 0.78

00:36:59.300 israel that they would not have the same animosity for us the way they do with gaza the way they do

00:37:06.260 with the survivors of nazi regime the way they do with whoever they consider to be their perceived

00:37:12.040 adversaries. And the way that they talk about their history, they say there's something in

00:37:19.380 the way and their manner of speaking where they say, everyone tried to stop us. The Babylonians,

00:37:26.660 the Persians, the Egyptians, where are they today? They've all been destroyed. We're still here. 0.98

00:37:32.520 Do you think they feel any differently about America on some level? They're friendly to

00:37:38.340 America for now. But in this context of the war in Gaza, they have been very clear. Gad Saad said

00:37:46.680 this. He's in Canada. He basically said, the future is in China if the West doesn't support Israel.

00:37:53.520 And this is like a guy who's made his bones being pro-Western civilization. But the second that the

00:37:59.500 West doesn't support their war, then they say, you know what? Maybe it's over for the West. Maybe

00:38:04.880 it's time to go east. They're completely indifferent fundamentally. And that's where I

00:38:10.480 get back to these guys like a Josh Hamm or Mark Levin. They spin these tales. The way they frame

00:38:16.600 the argument, it needs to get to a point where Christian, whites, Americans need to look at that

00:38:22.960 and say, we're just not listening. You're not one of us. You clearly don't have our best interests 0.89

00:38:28.000 in mind. You're pushing for something else. And, you know, on some level, I don't hate them for

00:38:32.780 that it irritates me deeply like i hate that they're doing it but it's like the scorpion and

00:38:39.200 the frog you know why they're doing it because it is my nature it's their nature and they can't

00:38:43.880 help it but we just can't and with that it's self-preservation right if i was a minority 0.99

00:38:48.720 and um i mean the leading cause of anti-semitism of course is uh in large part jewish behavior but

00:38:56.380 but if i was a minority and i had a bunch of you know and i was surrounded you know with a bunch

00:39:01.320 of people around me that that hated me like i i would do whatever it takes to survive so i don't

00:39:07.200 even necessarily fault israel for you know some of the stances and even some of the tactics that

00:39:12.360 they've taken um but i do sometimes i get frustrated with my own people with fellow americans

00:39:18.280 and heritage americans to um like they have an obligation to try to be self-preserving

00:39:23.920 but why can't we why can't we be self-preserving why can't we say i get that you want um to

00:39:30.740 survive and i get this and i get that um but so do we right when are we gonna when are we gonna

00:39:35.680 say that yeah and and i would go further even and say i i had a you know did a podcast with

00:39:43.400 dave smith recently yeah yeah and i like dave yeah he's a brilliant guy visibly jewish i believe

00:39:49.340 but that's okay he's one of the good ones now but he's he's a good guy he's got a good heart

00:39:57.800 and he's a, he's an honorable person. I have a lot of respect for him. Um, but I said this on

00:40:03.540 my show and I even told them when we did the show, I don't know if I said in exactly this way, but

00:40:08.740 his debate with Josh Hammer at Turning Point in July of 25, I'm just going to say it at the end

00:40:16.620 of the day, it's two Jewish guys debating about Israel. And I just think, is that really what

00:40:22.980 america needs more of is two jewish guys debating about what is best for america in relation to 0.58

00:40:29.080 israel and i feel like when they went after tucker carlson because they hate him they hate him and

00:40:37.100 that makes me like him more dave smith doesn't like him oh no not dave i mean the israel lobby

00:40:42.400 and many of the jews in america they really he's the number one up for them used to be me now it's

00:40:47.900 him by far by a long shot um tucker carlson is an american whatever you want to say and i have my

00:40:55.780 criticisms but he's a white american blue-blooded been here forever who dared to try to enter this

00:41:02.560 conversation about america and israel and it is for that reason they're punishing him it's the

00:41:07.460 josh hammers the world saying you dare a white american a christian to enter into this conversation

00:41:14.620 You have no place. 0.99

00:41:15.700 This is a internal debate among the Jews 0.99

00:41:18.660 about what will be done for America. 0.92

00:41:20.860 And my message is, I love Dave,

00:41:24.020 but the only thing that I came in,

00:41:26.540 not even to criticize him,

00:41:27.760 but the arrangement was to say, 0.74

00:41:29.360 I think it's time for some white people

00:41:31.740 to enter this conversation. 0.52

00:41:33.280 Right, yeah, instead of just two bookends

00:41:36.120 selectively chosen,

00:41:38.720 like, you know, who are both ultimately beholden.

00:41:42.600 And I'm not saying that Dave Smith,

00:41:44.120 you know sits on a sanhedrin you know in a formal you know civil sense that he belongs to like

00:41:48.300 but it's it's still his people natural affections run deep that's the way god made the world i have

00:41:53.300 them you have them he has them and to pretend that there's not any kind of bias there you know is

00:41:59.000 right naive real quick since you mentioned tucker carlson like i mean you went uber viral you know

00:42:04.420 when you responded to him i'm curious though like if um like he he called you out right is the first

00:42:11.360 time he ever named you like he's kind of referenced you before but without using your name and stuff

00:42:16.020 like that or at least it seems like he was talking about you but i'll go on record and say like i'm

00:42:20.740 you know i have nothing to hide like i like tucker i like him um i've had a couple friends who've

00:42:26.420 been on his show and um i think he's doing a lot of good and um and i like him and so um if he

00:42:34.000 hadn't called you out do you do you think like you responded and i mean you made a compelling case

00:42:40.940 i'll say this not necessarily compelling and don't take this the wrong way but

00:42:45.180 like when it was all said and done i i didn't walk away like yep tucker is uh is an op um but i i

00:42:52.380 don't even think that's what you were doing i think you were doing uh if he's going to call me

00:42:55.560 an op let's just you know hypothetically let's just say which would be more likely the guy with

00:43:01.380 you know the mailman for a father who you know hit his stride you know into the public sphere at 17

00:43:06.940 or the guy whose dad was a part of the CIA.

00:43:09.280 Right.

00:43:09.580 Right.

00:43:09.820 I mean, and you made a compelling case.

00:43:11.380 I don't think that Tucker is an op.

00:43:13.180 I really don't.

00:43:14.060 I like him.

00:43:15.360 But it was enough to make your point.

00:43:18.020 Yes.

00:43:18.300 Because your big point wasn't so much Tucker's an op.

00:43:20.680 I took it to mean I'm not an op

00:43:23.480 and I'm the one who was put on trial by Tucker.

00:43:25.980 Right.

00:43:26.340 And so I'm just making an argument

00:43:28.140 from the lesser to the greater.

00:43:30.720 You know, probably neither of us are,

00:43:33.260 but if anyone was, he would have the higher likelihood.

00:43:36.120 Yes.

00:43:36.220 So all that being said, I like Tucker.

00:43:38.120 If he hadn't done that, do you think you would have blasted him?

00:43:42.380 Absolutely not.

00:43:43.520 Absolutely not.

00:43:44.440 And it goes back a little ways with him.

00:43:47.040 I don't know what will happen between now and when this releases.

00:43:50.040 I'm open to being friendly with him.

00:43:51.900 I got a feeling you'll go on Tucker's show eventually.

00:43:54.500 I think so.

00:43:55.540 I think that might happen.

00:43:57.740 Because I think he's genuine.

00:43:59.600 Yeah.

00:43:59.820 Now, actually, that I have to specify.

00:44:02.560 I think he's actually not genuine, but in the best of ways.

00:44:06.220 So I think like in, in the true sense, I think he is genuine.

00:44:10.080 But he, dude, the dude, I mean, he's like, basically has been a news anchor, you know,

00:44:14.360 from, from birth, you know, I mean, like just, and so he's good.

00:44:18.340 He is good.

00:44:18.900 He's good.

00:44:19.780 And so like, like what he did with Tel Aviv Ted, you know, the Bible said, really, the

00:44:24.960 Bible says that, where does it say that?

00:44:26.300 And, and, and he's got the, you know, the, the face that like, looks like genuinely befuddled.

00:44:32.060 Yes.

00:44:32.720 Like he often does that.

00:44:33.880 Like I'm, I'm genuinely just, um, I'm just confused or I'm just, he's not, he's sharp.

00:44:39.880 Yes.

00:44:40.300 The dude's a shark.

00:44:41.120 And he's like, where does the Bible say that?

00:44:42.900 And the moment that Ted can't answer it, well, actually it's in Genesis chapter 12.

00:44:47.040 And so, so there are points where he like legitimately is not genuine, but, uh, but

00:44:52.300 not for a nefarious or malicious way, but to like, to get them, he's a good interviewer.

00:44:56.720 That's what you like.

00:44:57.520 If you ever watched the, I can't endorse it.

00:44:59.700 It was, you know, it was degenerate and filth,

00:45:01.340 but the movie, The Interview with Kim Jong-un, you know, 0.72

00:45:05.620 and he's like, and he's playing the part.

00:45:07.220 And then at the very end, you know, he gets them.

00:45:09.120 He's like, why are you starving your people?

00:45:10.940 You know, and that's, I feel like that's what Tucker does.

00:45:13.180 Yes.

00:45:13.580 You know, like, oh, we're best friends.

00:45:15.280 And oh, I'm just, I'm Tucker Carlson.

00:45:19.040 Hello, fellow Americans.

00:45:20.880 I fly fish, you know, and I'm wearing the plaid shirt

00:45:23.800 and my cabin set, you know, and like,

00:45:25.900 or he'll often say like, and I'm not rich.

00:45:28.220 And I'm like, you are rich.

00:45:30.020 I know you're rich.

00:45:30.980 Of course you're, like, who believes that?

00:45:33.480 You know, but again, I think in the truest sense,

00:45:36.660 he is genuine.

00:45:37.120 I think he genuinely loves Jesus.

00:45:38.600 I think he's genuinely a Christian.

00:45:40.660 I think he's genuinely trying to do good,

00:45:42.520 but he does it strategically.

00:45:44.160 Yes.

00:45:44.500 Like he knows exactly what he's doing.

00:45:46.780 He'll put on like, kind of like a Hugh Grant,

00:45:48.960 like, you know, like, and it's like, no, dude,

00:45:51.900 you're a shark.

00:45:52.780 You know exactly what you're doing. 0.98

00:45:54.360 And I'm here for it.

00:45:55.460 Because I think in the big scheme, it's in the right direction.

00:45:59.460 And you just got caught up in that, which was unfortunate.

00:46:03.920 Well, you know, I don't know what to make of him

00:46:06.340 because I've never met him and I don't have an interaction with him.

00:46:09.400 But I would say I reserve the...

00:46:15.400 I'm open to the possibility, let's say, that it's a misunderstanding.

00:46:20.540 Yeah.

00:46:21.160 Because...

00:46:21.680 That'd be great.

00:46:22.140 But there does seem to be, like, one, there's a generational thing.

00:46:26.780 He's older than me.

00:46:27.700 And he comes from an insular world.

00:46:30.240 He's at Fox News.

00:46:32.160 Or was at Fox News.

00:46:33.340 Yeah, that's a particular type of person.

00:46:34.900 Yes, and he comes from institutional media.

00:46:36.940 He's from the institutions at the highest level.

00:46:40.400 And me, I'm a complete unknown, for him, an unknown quantity.

00:46:44.120 I come from the internet, which he claims he's not even on.

00:46:47.380 He says he's not on Twitter.

00:46:48.960 That's all I am.

00:46:49.780 I'm more on Twitter than I'm in real life.

00:46:51.540 Tucker is fly fishing and maybe once every six months he sends a fax.

00:46:55.160 That's right.

00:46:55.800 Yeah.

00:46:56.020 According to him.

00:46:56.900 I struggle to believe it.

00:46:57.840 I actually probably think it's probably true that I don't think he's obsessive scrolling

00:47:01.320 through Twitter all the time, but I think he knows what's on the internet.

00:47:05.620 A little more access than he lets on, but we do come from different worlds.

00:47:09.940 Me from the outside, him from the inside, me as a young guy, him being around for a

00:47:14.860 long time.

00:47:16.160 And I can see and I get it.

00:47:18.740 you know, now, now that the conversation has changed, now that my ascendance is sort of

00:47:23.640 undeniable, you could see how it gets lost in translation. Yeah. When you're an older guy like

00:47:29.200 that and you see my clips, does it shine through that I'm like a sincere, thoughtful person that's

00:47:35.120 joking around? Or does he think, oh, where did this guy come from? He's some punk shock jock

00:47:40.440 who is either intentionally or unintentionally making us all look bad.

00:47:44.980 and yeah like he said the thing like um like even like that you intentionally with photo ops like

00:47:51.220 trying to shake someone's hand or give them a hug in order to like smear them get dirt on them

00:47:55.580 which i just feel like like even you know now granted i'm i'm not running for office or something

00:48:00.380 like that so you know there'd be less incentive but still like just with this trip and the time

00:48:04.340 that we spent together like i feel like it's the exact opposite you're like no actually joel let's

00:48:09.900 not do that because i don't i don't want to get you into trouble like i feel like you've been

00:48:13.240 you know like if anything you're more covert i used to do that to mess with people oh so okay

00:48:18.740 so there was some truth in that well here's what i with michael knolls oh so you actually did as a

00:48:24.340 troll yeah because i went up to him at politicon when i was canceled yeah and i said hey michael

00:48:30.400 i'm a big fan let's get a picture and then i posted i said did he recognize you no oh because

00:48:35.700 that was that was before the groyper war so i was unknown and i posted it on twitter and said oh man

00:48:41.360 dude michael is so based but he just can't say anything but i'm trolling he says nick is a liar

00:48:47.940 it's like it was a troll it's a joke you know um but but with people that i'm trying to help

00:48:55.100 it's discretion and the reason that me and tucker beefed is that i went against joe kent right but

00:49:03.980 well and you and from my understanding i we have some mutuals you know people that you've been

00:49:09.200 friends with for a long time so before i even you know talk to you in person they told me they're

00:49:13.380 like oh nick like was um was content to be the fat girl you know yes dated privately but you'll

00:49:20.380 never take him public you know because you're ashamed of and like like and i so i heard some

00:49:24.540 of the backstory on that that you like had one phone call you know with him and and really like

00:49:30.380 utilize your following the groipers to really do a lot of good and help him and and did it all

00:49:36.320 with the intent of, I'm not going to get any credit for this. 0.70

00:49:41.080 I'm going to, plausible deniability,

00:49:43.820 like, you know, but the one condition was,

00:49:46.220 you don't have to be seen with me.

00:49:48.860 You don't have to see your friends or anything like that.

00:49:51.860 Just don't throw me under the bus.

00:49:53.440 Yes.

00:49:53.960 And then he did.

00:49:54.740 Yes, that's exactly the story is we got linked up.

00:49:58.560 We had a phone call and that was the understanding.

00:50:00.900 I said, I'm willing to do anything I can to help you.

00:50:03.520 and I do not expect ever to be associated with you.

00:50:06.540 Photograph, I don't want any of the credit.

00:50:08.680 I said, but just don't disavow.

00:50:10.300 And that's exactly what he did.

00:50:12.380 And it wasn't, it was unprompted.

00:50:14.800 Like, you know, we were not connected in any way.

00:50:19.000 And out of the blue, he goes, you know,

00:50:20.820 I disavow Nick Fuentes.

00:50:22.680 And I said, well, you betrayed me.

00:50:24.880 Yeah.

00:50:25.440 And for no reason really, and for no benefit.

00:50:28.360 And so I probably made him lose his election.

00:50:31.580 and it was that that then tucker retaliated against me because tucker saw that as like if

00:50:37.040 nick can't possibly be a good guy because he's hurting good guys right and you're like well

00:50:42.500 this good guy joe kent may be good overall but he was um nefarious to me yeah and and maybe tucker

00:50:52.180 didn't know that i don't know i don't know what he knows i think that's possible it's totally

00:50:56.240 possible and if he didn't know that pertinent information maybe that then does look like an

00:51:02.460 operation yeah but that is a critical detail because kent he not only disavowed me he said

00:51:08.340 i disavow his views on israel and he talks about race and religion too much we need inclusive

00:51:13.800 populism okay so it's like i'm not being picky here so then it's not just a personal grievance

00:51:20.040 like uh he turned on me so i'm going to sabotage a guy who could positionally be good no uh to

00:51:25.900 in your disavowing of me, you literally said, I am for this thing that makes you no different

00:51:32.300 than the neocons. Exactly. So now it's not even just like, well, you personally offended me,

00:51:36.760 so I'm going to blast you. Like in your offense towards me, you just took away the one thing

00:51:43.000 that makes you worth fighting for. Right. He basically said, I'm a pro-Israel, pro-diversity,

00:51:49.960 pro-non-Christian populist. Yeah, we've got plenty of those.

00:51:54.740 Exactly. And he was claiming to be America first. And that's why I had a problem with it. I said, because because you're right, if he were pushing for the right things, maybe I would have recused myself. Maybe I would have taken the high road. But, you know, people don't know that part of the story. And I remind people constantly, but nobody listens. I say that. And, you know, maybe. And by the way, Joe Kent, I mean, look, he's a good looking guy.

00:52:21.460 He is anti-neocon, like his wife died in Syria.

00:52:24.800 So he's ideologically against what the CIA has been doing.

00:52:29.360 So I could see how from the outside looking in, if you're Tucker and you like the guy,

00:52:33.700 you might say, what the heck?

00:52:35.340 This was supposed to be our champion.

00:52:37.460 And by the way, also, Kent was going to be on the National Security Council in the closing

00:52:43.320 days of Trump's first administration.

00:52:46.240 So they really had plans for this guy.

00:52:48.340 And he was also in the CIA, even at the time, CIA agent.

00:52:54.040 So from the outside looking in, he was really going to be their star.

00:52:58.100 Like they put a lot of stock in him.

00:53:00.100 I took him out of the running and people said, and that's sort of the Tucker, the clip.

00:53:06.180 He go, who is this kid?

00:53:07.560 Who is this kid from Chicago?

00:53:09.300 Why is he taking out our top guy?

00:53:11.720 And I just wish he would have asked it in a good faith way, not rhetorically.

00:53:16.260 Because I did it for a reason.

00:53:18.340 And at the end of the day, I've been right and they have all been wrong. 0.84

00:53:23.320 I've been beating the drum on Israel for 10 years and getting no help from anybody. 0.97

00:53:29.540 There's times that you're right and they're wrong, but at minimum, you could definitely 0.98

00:53:34.200 say that you were at least, even if you're both right, you were right first.

00:53:38.000 Yes.

00:53:38.360 And all I would like is little recognition of, not even like, oh, a pat on the back,

00:53:44.360 but in some recognition when they say they they disagree with my tactics or my strategy

00:53:50.000 it's like okay but in many ways i changed the conversation and i don't know if it would have

00:53:56.880 changed in the same way without you know many of the things that i've said and done have been

00:54:01.540 proven right over the years whether it was with yay or whatever it's like we've been at the tip

00:54:08.040 of the spear and you've been trailing behind so that that would be my i would just ask for a little

00:54:12.700 humility on that end with kanye i just i can't do it i can't say yeah i'm just gonna say kanye

00:54:18.180 um how are you right about him because when he ran in well he was talking about running in 2022

00:54:28.120 his whole concept if you really followed it i didn't is he and i know i'm saying rhetorically

00:54:35.540 speaking for because people didn't but he said 14 people that did that for the diehard like

00:54:41.680 fans of his music fans of his politics that that venn diagram which there's like 10 people yeah 0.84

00:54:47.700 right uh he said for me to become the president we first have to confront jewish media and we 0.93

00:54:56.760 have to kind of get over that hump and like in other words get canceled um to prepare ourselves 0.93

00:55:04.440 to run that was genius that was correct that was and he said that among other things he said that

00:55:11.180 jared kushner only cares about israel the peace deal was all fake the abraham accords he's right

00:55:17.560 about that he was right about trump betraying his supporters like you know and obviously look

00:55:23.980 it didn't materialize into a campaign lack of discipline lack of seriousness whatever you want

00:55:30.080 to say um if it was ever serious i mean i think he wanted to run i think he has some political

00:55:35.600 ideas but it just it wasn't there would you have voted for a black man i would have for him yeah

00:55:40.620 I know you would have.

00:55:42.660 And he considers himself white.

00:55:44.940 Does he?

00:55:45.420 Yes.

00:55:45.900 No, he doesn't.

00:55:46.720 He tweeted that.

00:55:47.500 He's like, I'm white. 1.00

00:55:48.580 That's funny.

00:55:49.480 Like as a joke though?

00:55:50.400 Because I never know.

00:55:51.320 As a joke, yeah.

00:55:52.200 But you know, there's some truth in that. 1.00

00:55:53.980 He never identified with the black people. 0.99

00:55:56.380 He feels uncomfortable around them 0.91

00:55:58.300 because he's not a gangster.

00:55:59.640 Yeah.

00:55:59.940 You know, he feels he needs to put on a mask for that.

00:56:02.500 Dude, like, I mean, you know, there's some crazy things

00:56:06.080 and I'm a normie.

00:56:07.160 So I'm looking from the outside in.

00:56:08.420 there might be rhyme and reason to some of the things that i'm just not privy to but you know

00:56:12.820 i feel like there's you know some from my perspective some crazy things but uh i can

00:56:16.880 excuse crazy but then the one thing that to me it's like one i i think it's degenerate um but

00:56:24.220 but beyond that i feel like it's like it's not just degenerate but it's like dude like so you're 0.57

00:56:30.760 pointing out jewish power and jewish subversion and you know jewish degeneracy and those kinds of 0.87

00:56:35.460 things i agree um you but you start a porn company that's like the most jewish thing you could 0.98

00:56:42.980 possibly do you know i'm like why why and that's when i hopped off yeah is um is that stuff but 0.89

00:56:50.020 when most people hopped off was when he did the hitler thing right what do you think what do you

00:56:55.240 think he was doing with that well i feel like he probably had a strategy there what what do you

00:57:00.000 think it was you know maybe there was an inkling of a strategy but um he i think that he was

00:57:08.060 obviously courting controversy yeah no doubt about that i mean you invoke the name of hitler and you

00:57:12.600 you it's edgelording you get attention for that but i think he was trying to slice through all

00:57:18.740 the bs yeah well and and even to make a point because here's the thing he it's not like he's

00:57:25.140 a Hitler expert right like he's not an ideological national socialist he didn't read Mein Kampf

00:57:31.620 but intuitively he understood and I think he was on the money on this and he said this sometimes 0.84

00:57:39.420 but he should have said it more he said when it comes to the pain and the suffering of like

00:57:43.800 black people and white people nobody cares like his kids got taken from him because of divorce

00:57:50.020 who is speaking up for all the men who have lost their kids through divorce me nobody you i i talk 0.94

00:57:55.980 that is a huge that's an epidemic it has to be talked about it does but nobody prominent like

00:58:02.240 and i'm not saying you're not prominent but you know like political leaders are not talking about

00:58:06.120 this and the same goes for abortion yeah he's anti-abortion he said millions of black babies

00:58:11.820 are aborted does anyone talk about that i think it's up to like 20 24 25 million in the last 50 0.98

00:58:17.120 years black people like i remember i tweeted out one time i was like uh they're like you hate black

00:58:21.940 people and i was like no my my position and conviction is uh if i were king there'd be 25 0.97

00:58:27.700 million more black people alive in america today and then in the comments we were like gosh can you

00:58:32.580 imagine yeah yeah they're like rare rare joel l you know i was like guys look all right i understand 1.00

00:58:39.080 you know like that we'd have to deal with some law and order but uh these are people made in the

00:58:43.020 of god yeah yeah you know like and and abortion is heinous it is it's evil i hate what it's done

00:58:48.040 to all all children uh but there's no if and or buts about it disproportionately the amount of

00:58:55.480 black children that have been murdered through abortion yes insane and and that was i think

00:59:00.900 he was basically saying are you listening now because in his contracts he couldn't say the 0.99

00:59:07.060 name Jesus in his songs and the all the record producers are Jewish and they're arrogant and 0.98

00:59:12.920 the way they treat the celebrities you should see it I mean they treat these people like animals 0.92

00:59:18.260 like they're hurting animals and so I think yay was looking to liberate himself by canceling

00:59:24.800 himself liberate himself from the pressures and free himself so he could say whatever he wants

00:59:29.760 and like lose what is contingent on you know not saying those things and it was also a call to say

00:59:36.360 like now can we talk about other issues because the things he's really passionate about it's his

00:59:42.600 religion it's engineering believe it or not he is obsessed with science and engineering he doesn't

00:59:49.340 really have a scientific aptitude i think but like his whole campaign was based on he wanted to

00:59:55.700 re-engineer pharmaceuticals agriculture like looking at hydroponics like all kinds of different

01:00:01.620 things I thought were very interesting. And it was funny. Even he would say, I don't want to

01:00:06.620 talk about Hitler all the time. But I think that was kind of how he would describe it as like the

01:00:13.120 boat from the Truman Show hitting the painting and getting out of the matrix. Like, okay,

01:00:19.160 I said the thing, now what? Now what? Maybe now you, because now I'm a liability,

01:00:26.680 so you'll let me go. You'll never let me go if I'm making you money. You'll never let me go

01:00:31.120 if I'm benefiting you.

01:00:32.320 So I will make myself untouchable

01:00:33.960 so that you'll leave me alone

01:00:35.220 so that I can maybe set out and do my own thing.

01:00:37.660 And it made him invincible.

01:00:38.860 It's like, okay, I said the thing you're not supposed to say.

01:00:40.820 I lost it all.

01:00:41.660 Now what can you do to me?

01:00:43.380 I love that.

01:00:44.940 And, you know, someone like a Tucker who, you know,

01:00:50.040 and I'm not going to vilify him here,

01:00:51.800 but I don't think he could understand that

01:00:55.320 given his sensibility because he's a political animal.

01:00:57.900 he wouldn't be able to um personally associate with like he would have no like at what point in

01:01:04.940 tucker's personal story arc has he ever been like he's been hated sure but even that a lot of that's

01:01:11.100 pretty recent you know um so to be able to identify with uh becoming the villain you know

01:01:18.340 that was a powerful line from you know the nh squared um song was you know so you know yeah

01:01:25.720 screw it i'll become the villain and i feel like you know even you know without uh whether you

01:01:30.840 agree or disagree you can sympathize they took my kids um they made me a laughing stock everybody's

01:01:38.840 uh i have nothing left i have nothing left so yeah i'll just i'll play the heel yes and it's

01:01:45.320 that's powerful right or wrong it's powerful yeah and he really just knows how to tap into that kind

01:01:51.320 of thing and i feel like tucker and and just political people in general they lack that

01:01:56.900 sensibility that an artist has they're too practical too grounded playing games you know

01:02:02.720 thinking about moves and i think that you know he calls it the yay button like you just hit this

01:02:08.840 button and change the conversation only a true artist a true visionary and i know i'm glazing

01:02:15.260 a little bit but you know only someone like that could kind of see the big picture in that way and

01:02:20.480 And I know people, they looked at that as impulsive, reckless, careless.

01:02:25.660 I think that was such a huge part in changing the conversation.

01:02:28.800 I don't know that we'd be here because people saw what happened to him

01:02:32.480 and they said he was right, you know.

01:02:36.080 They took away two multi-billion dollar deals because he posted a tweet.

01:02:43.120 And Greenblatt went on The Breakfast Club and said we had to take him out

01:02:48.060 because of what he said.

01:02:49.200 everyone was listening everyone saw that they saw him get martyred in a certain sense in real time

01:02:55.660 and so that it's just such like a powerful checkmate and um i will never just i thought

01:03:01.760 that was genius and it irritates me a lot that uh people don't see that or maybe they don't want to

01:03:09.580 see that or you know maybe i'm rationalizing it but i feel like it was just it was genuinely

01:03:14.740 powerful authentic moment that just like you said it just cut through everything it cut to the it

01:03:20.540 cut to the heart of the matter so i i think he was right about that and i think everyone else was

01:03:25.140 wrong all right so tucker kanye um we started with the daily wire matt michael josh hammer got

01:03:34.200 to some of the political figures anybody else that you feel like this guy i know you might like

01:03:40.760 him he sounds like he's saying some of the right things but he's bad news i would say i mean the

01:03:48.820 biggest um which is somewhat timely now when we're recording this is turning point usa yeah

01:03:54.240 and of course what happened to charlie kirk was horrible and tragic and evil and i wish he was

01:04:01.280 still alive you know i had my disagreements with him and i and i judged him severely but

01:04:07.380 i didn't want him to die i wanted to beat him in an argument right yeah i didn't want him to die

01:04:13.060 in front of his family like that or at all at a young age so horrible with that being said

01:04:18.680 and you got to be sensitive on the matter because i i don't want to um

01:04:23.780 you know you want to be careful what you say because it's still it's still recent raw it's

01:04:30.020 like the body's the body's metaphor right you want to be respectful that being said turning

01:04:36.020 point usa always was like the financial largesse is unbelievable they raise 140 million dollars a

01:04:44.240 year wow which is just and with that kind of money they they would take money from anybody

01:04:51.560 they took money from silicon valley they took money from israel they took money from all these

01:04:58.020 special interests and my concern is now that charlie has died and his wife has stepped up

01:05:05.740 and run the organization,

01:05:07.660 what I really don't like about that

01:05:09.640 is it makes them kind of untouchable

01:05:12.000 and unimpeachable.

01:05:13.240 Yeah.

01:05:13.900 And I think that's intentional.

01:05:14.940 Like you can't criticize.

01:05:16.000 Right. 0.98

01:05:16.800 Not without being a monster.

01:05:18.160 Exactly.

01:05:18.820 And there's something cynical in that.

01:05:21.420 I think on some level,

01:05:22.980 maybe they know what they're doing there.

01:05:25.540 And I don't wish death upon them,

01:05:28.180 just like I didn't for Charlie Kirk.

01:05:29.760 But before his passing, after his passing,

01:05:32.940 I think it needs to be called out

01:05:34.360 that this was an organization to the extent that there was a conflict over israel it was occurring

01:05:38.960 because they were getting money with strings attached yeah why was that you know there's

01:05:45.160 that that we know definitively yes that we know that's been validated yeah yes so to the extent

01:05:51.200 that there's any conversation about kirk and his views on israel it was that they were receiving

01:05:56.800 millions of dollars from these people and there were strings attached and only when charlie began

01:06:02.440 to there he began to accommodate let's say people like tucker and people that might dissent from

01:06:08.520 that that they start yanking the chain and it just begs the question isn't the whole organization

01:06:14.720 sort of based on that like is it not silicon valley corporate donors wall street donors

01:06:21.880 billionaires that they they raise 140 million dollars from a lot of high power donors that

01:06:28.000 expect something in return. And can an organization like that really push a revolutionary vanguard

01:06:35.300 movement? Even getting back to our conversation about Trump, if the goal is to cut the money

01:06:41.180 power and have national power based on the national character of the nation, can a organization that

01:06:47.920 runs on money like that deliver? I think the answer is no. And so I remain deeply skeptical

01:06:52.500 of turning point in what it represents,

01:06:55.120 so-called Big Tent Coalition,

01:06:57.180 and the people in it for that matter too,

01:06:59.500 many of the spokesmen for it.

01:07:02.100 I think that's fair.

01:07:03.520 I have my suspicions.

01:07:05.040 All right.

01:07:05.820 Well, I think this was a good episode.

01:07:08.100 Called out plenty of people.

01:07:09.420 Thanks.

01:07:10.040 Thank you.

01:07:10.620 All right.

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The NXR Podcast - January 21, 2026

THE SPECIAL - Calling Out Conservative Grifters By Name! (w⧸Nick Fuentes) - EP4

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