THE SPECIAL - Christian Nationalism Meets America First (w⧸Nick Fuentes)
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Summary
In the first episode of a 10-part series with Nicholas J. Fuentes, host Joel Webben sits down with Nick to discuss his life growing up in the 1960s and 70s, his views on race, women, Trump, Israel, Judaism, and much more.
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I don't know what the penalties would be specifically,
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but I think certainly the government needs to enforce
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these are deliberately subversive, morally subversive.
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There's no positive good where that could be defended.
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This is just one episode of a 10-part series with perhaps the most controversial man in America, namely Nicholas J. Fuentes.
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Now, the whole series will eventually be made public right here with one new episode dropping each week on Wednesday.
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And we're not just talking about Nick's childhood experiences or what he did in college back in the day.
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No, we're focusing our exclusive attention on what Nick believes.
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What is it that Nick really thinks about race, women, Trump, Israel, Jews, masculinity, and even more?
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It's a one-stop shop to focus on the core tenets of Nick Fuentes' beliefs on the major headline issues of our day.
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Now, you're going to have to wait a total of 10 weeks for this to slow drip out to the public.
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However, for those of you who may be interested, you can binge watch all 10 episodes ad-free today
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by heading over to patreon.com and searching NXR Studios.
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This is the first of a 10-part series with Nicholas J. Fuentes.
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Each episode will drop once per week on Wednesdays at 11 a.m. Central Time.
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Why would you sit down and interview him for over 10 hours?
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Well, one of the answers is because, to our knowledge, so far, no one else has.
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We didn't want to just do a one sitting where, hey, tell me about your college experience.
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Tell me about the time that Ben Shapiro blew up your Twitter account.
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No, we wanted to have a thorough, one-stop shop, deep dive on the core tenets of the
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What does he really believe about faith, about politics, about Israel, about America, foreign
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affairs, men, women, Jews, Catholics, Protestants, the whole nine yards.
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Why does it matter what he believes? Well, because he's not merely the most controversial man in
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America. For pretty much everyone under the age of 45, he's arguably also the most significant
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man in America. And whether you love him or hate him, your neighbors are listening to what he has
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to say. And so why not actually get to the bottom of it? Why not ask the questions that need to be
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asked, what do you think about every single major headline issue that matters in our day?
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Now, there's another reason that we chose to do this series with Nick. See, if you had a time
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machine and you could go back to 2012, 2013, 14, knowing what you know today about Donald Trump,
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and you could sit down with him back then and interview him for over 10 hours, would you do it?
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Even people who hate Trump, if they were honest, would say yes. Why? Because you see the man's
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significance. You can call me stupid and maybe I am. Maybe as time goes on, there'll be egg on my
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face. But I think that the energy surrounding Nick Fuentes in 2025 and now 2026 is eerily similar
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to the energy that was surrounding Trump back in 2015. I'll go ahead and publicly say I have
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nothing to lose. Maybe I'm wrong, but maybe I'm right. I believe Nick Fuentes will one day either
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be president, or at minimum, a quintessential kingmaker, with such profound influence that
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whoever is president won't be able to get there without Nick's support. And if a man really is
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that significant, if he actually has that kind of momentum, then it behooves us to hear him out.
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for better or for worse, what does he actually think? And so in this one-stop shop, 10-part
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series, we get to the bottom of the core tenets of his convictions and beliefs about everything
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right now in America that seems to matter most. Tune in now. Radical Christian nationalist pastor,
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you'll never get to see it unless you give us your money uh we are going to um have kind of
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some of the raw footage available for ad free and early access so if anybody is like you know they're
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watching this it's the first episode and uh they're like 10 it's 10 parts i want to get it all
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you know right now so if you want to binge watch it uh you can and we're going to make that available
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you hear about that a little bit later how to get that um but if you're like no i don't want to have
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have to pay for it. It will all come out, but we're going to do one at a time. So one episode
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per week for 10 weeks. So this is probably going to go all the way through halfway into March.
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So I'm excited. So first thing that I thought that we should talk about is America first
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and Christian nationalism. You're a Christian nationalist, right? Yes. Okay. So I want to ask
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you about America first, but first let's start with the Christian nationalist piece. Obviously
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When you say you're a Christian nationalist, what do you mean by that?
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I believe that America is a Christian nation, which is sort of in the name.
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Christian nationalist, America is a Christian nation.
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And I think that Christianity is an essential part of America's identity.
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Fundamentally, I think that America should have a Christian government,
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is what I think that ultimately comes down to.
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And, um, if you want to get very specific and detailed about it, I believe that only
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Christians should be legislators, judges, and in the executive branch.
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I think that if Christianity is right and true, if God has law, then our government
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I think that's consistent with what our civilization is.
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I think that we should have a, uh, a fully Christian government.
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What do you think? I agree wholeheartedly. Lex Rex, the law is above the king. I'm actually
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comfortable with the king. I think just because of America's founding in history,
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I think we could functionally get there, but I don't think we would ever call someone a king.
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You know, it's just not in our blood as Americans. There's an aversion to that. But even if there was
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a monarch, the law of God is still ultimately the ruler. Lex Rex, the law above the king.
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in terms of the law of God, we have all these statutes throughout the Old Testament and then
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many of them restated and some new ones in the New Testament. But the summary of the law would
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be the Decalogue, the Ten Commandments, Exodus chapter 20. That really summarizes the law. And
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then Jesus summarizes it even further when he says, you know, the first and greatest commandment
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is to love the Lord our God with all our heart, soul, mind, strength. And the second is like it,
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that we should love our neighbor as ourself. All of the law, he continues, and the prophets
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hinge, they rest on these two commandments. So the way I see it is, you know, Jesus is love God,
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love neighbor. That being a summary of a summary, being the Decalogue, the Ten Commandments,
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the Ten Commandments, there's 10 of them, but really they fall into two tables. You have the
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first four of the Ten Commandments. Now I know Catholics and Protestants, we count them a little
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differently. But in the Protestant case, it's the first four of the Ten Commandments are in regards
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to how to love God. Have no other gods before me. Don't make graven images. Don't take the Lord's
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name in vain. And remember the Sabbath and keep it holy. The next six is love for neighbor. It's
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honor your father and mother. Don't murder. Don't commit adultery. Don't steal. Don't bear false
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witness. And don't covet. And so Jesus says, love God. Love neighbor. The Ten Commandments. This is
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how to love god with a little bit more specificity and how to love neighbor and then everything else
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uh all these old testament civil statues they they ultimately fall underneath one of the ten
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commandments whether it's a parapet around the border of your roof right you have to have like
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this this railing well that's they don't have hvac during the summer months they're sleeping on the
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roof and you're loving your neighbor by making sure he doesn't fall off in the middle of the
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the night and break his leg you know so even that you can root to the commandment the sixth
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commandment thou shalt not murder stated in the positive sense would be uh thou shalt protect and
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esteem the safety and dignity of human life so we can look at that even in our western context and
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say uh well that's silly that's that's uh primitive you know you bible thumpers well we have laws about
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speed limits and seat belts and like and and you know we're just not up on the roof anymore but
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find me a two-story balcony in anybody's home that doesn't have a railing right and if it didn't
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eventually there'd probably be a legal issue so it's it's not that different you know we're we're
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like that uh still to this day so if we're going to have laws i'd like to see them modeled
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off of the scripture so my question i guess to you though is this is where i see a lot of christians
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start to say well not that um the first table of the law a lot of guys will say yeah we need laws
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protecting his safety, these kinds of things.
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we can't have that all 10 commandments on a courthouse.
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and erect 90-foot-tall statues to some false god.
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And I'm not saying some kid who says JC should go to jail,
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gyrating in front of a man dressed up like Christ
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And I think that it's interesting how people in this country have such an aversion to anything that looks or sounds like that.
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But you look at very modern countries in the Middle East, for example, like the United Arab Emirates.
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People go to Dubai, and this is a hotspot for the world's rich, for entertainers.
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and a lot of people go there who are pretty secular and pretty liberal but everybody knows
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that when you go to dubai or riyadh uh for that matter any of these gulf countries which are very
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wealthy very modern technologically sophisticated and cosmopolitan even everybody knows the rules
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and the rules are you don't disrespect islam and the whole country abides by that and there's laws
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governing public displays of affection, modesty, all kinds of things. And nobody seems to have a
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problem because they know they don't mess around there. They take the religion seriously. And when
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you land at that airport, everybody knows you got to play by those rules. And people seem to be okay
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with that. But for some reason in America, even the insinuation that you might have something like
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that for Christ, for the church, people say it's the handmaiden's tale. It's Gilead. This is
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regressive. What is this, the Middle Ages? And maybe I'm more liberal than you. I don't know
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what the penalties would be specifically, but I think certainly the government needs to enforce
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some level of morality within reason. And I think what you're talking about when you say the
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perpetual indulgence, these are deliberately subversive, morally subversive. There's no
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positive good where that could be defended. I don't know that I would outlaw, let's say, heresy
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because there should be room for religious debate. It's like there always has been in the church or
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at different councils and things like that. But something that is deliberately and intentionally
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meant to blaspheme and offend God and the morals of any decent person, I don't think there's any
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basis for that. And so, of course, in America, at the same time, we have a tradition of freedom
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of speech, but maybe we need to articulate what the basis of free speech is. Why is free speech
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good? If free speech is good insofar as we could debate about what form of government is best or
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what kind of society we should have. I'm willing to be more liberal when it comes to things like
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that. But filth, like pornography, for example, that's not political speech. And I don't think
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there's anything positively good. I don't even actually consider it speech. It's not religious
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speech either. Although I have seen some Jews say that both abortion and pornography are Jewish
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religious sacraments which is interesting very interesting so so i tend to agree i don't like i
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said i'm probably not as conservative when it comes to religious law as maybe you are or some
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protestants or even for that matter some traditional catholics who say there should be
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no freedom of religion which is i think what you're saying uh but i certainly think that
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there should be some basic standards like they have in russia or any other country so for my
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position, I think that it's just, um, there are degrees. So, um, so like Tom Cruise, minority
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report, like, I don't want, you know, we're predicting crimes and even policing. Um, when I
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think of old Testament Israel, um, the actual Jews, uh, you know, I think of, you know, there's
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not really a police system, right? So there's, there's punitive justice, uh, but they're not
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going around uh you know with the back to the parapet you know the border on the roof um there's
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there's no at least no recording uh in the old testament of the parapet committee you know that
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would go house to house you know annually to measure and make sure that they hit the metrics
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it's like um you need to have a parapet and if you don't uh then you get arrested no uh if you don't
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then you're liable if something happens, right?
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If somebody does get hurt and you had a border,
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If they do get hurt and you didn't have a border,
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you've known and that that can be proven in a court that you knew that this was a dangerous
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animal and it hurts someone, then it's not just that the animal, the bull is stoned according to
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the Old Testament and so is the owner. Personally, the general equity of that principle, I'll get
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some flack for this, but I'd apply it to pit bulls. You can have a pit bull, but that dog
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is genetically bred in such a way that it is extremely dangerous, especially to children.
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And so you can own a pit bull. In America, you can own a tiger if you want. But if you own a
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golden retriever and it has a really bad day and does something tragic, the golden retriever is
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put to death and you're probably going to have to go to court and those kinds of things. But I don't
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think you get locked in jail but you have a pit bull that has that reputation um and the pit bull
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kills you know two little five-year-old girls the pit bull gets put down and so do you
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that would be my position so i say all that to say one there are degrees um but two uh also just
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the system itself it's less of uh policing so there's actually a lot of freedom like people
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like well i don't want the government you know to tell me what to do in my bedroom well the
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government currently tells you how to build your bedroom, right? The studs have to be this many
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inches between, like we police everything. And it's also costly. Like when you think of just how
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much, you know, management is required, you know, how many taxes we're spending for people to tell
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us every single thing to do. But a system that's punitive and retributive, rather than, you know,
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constantly trying to predict and stop crimes before they even occur. And then in terms of
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degrees the last thing i would say is um we're not talking about the muslim police that go into
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private homes and are rounding people up uh so a lot of this for me when it comes to the first
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table of law um and things like idolatry and false religions um that the major factor there would be
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there's a difference between sins and crimes and i think you have to have that category that
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distinction um there's plenty of sin i have sin um but the state uh has no business in punishing
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sin that belongs to the church, whether it's confession or whether it's excommunication or
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barred from the sacraments or whatever it may be. For a time, sin is dealt with by ultimately God
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and through the avenue of the church. Crimes are dealt with by the state. And there are some sins
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that biblically speaking are not crimes. It is a sin, but it's not a crime. So I would say
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Muslims worshiping in their homes is not a crime. Muslims erecting a 90-foot tall statue outside of
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Houston. I think that's a crime. And I think people involved with that should have some kind
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of penalty, whether it's a fine, this, that, or the other. And the statue should be ground to dust.
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We don't do that here. This is America. We're a Christian nation. Say Christ is Lord.
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That would be my view. So now giving it a little bit more specificity,
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what do you think about that? I like that. I like that approach because I think when people
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when people hear moral law they hear moral police that's what they hear right and they what they
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think about is uh that you're gonna have inquisitors kicking down the door if somebody's
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watching an r-rated movie right or something like that which i think anybody would be opposed to and
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rightly so i believe in liberty right and i think that part of that comes with i also like the
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distinction of crime and sin people do have the liberty to sin and that's why we have the sacraments
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because we're going to sin and we don't want to sin and we try not to, but it's not a crime to
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do that. And we're supposed to be given a chance to repent and to spiritually grow. So I do like
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that distinction. And I don't know that I would necessarily agree with the death penalty in many
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or even most cases. I tend to be anti-death penalty in almost all except for terrorists or...
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Yeah, I think even murder should be spared, yeah.
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because you really couldn't accommodate them
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But now I think that society can accommodate that.
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And I think that only the most heinous crimes should be punished by death.
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I think everybody else that should be given the room, one, I do really worry about the
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killing of innocent people that are falsely convicted.
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But also I think that people should be given a chance to repent.
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And I don't think those are necessarily our lives to take, even for the government.
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So I tend to be more, and maybe that's because I'm a political dissident.
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I tend to get anxious when I think about the government
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having license to freely kill people, you know?
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They do it anyway, I suppose, extrajudicially all the time.
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But no, I tend to be more against the death penalty than for it.
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From that covenant flowed the faith of Abraham,
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But somewhere between the martyrs and the modern West
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A phrase born not of Sinai, but in Washington
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Tracing its roots not to Moses, but to the Pharisees
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the hyphenated heresy challenges the myth of the hyphen tracing how it reshaped christian
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identity redefined the church's witness and bound modern faith to political zionism pick up your
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copy today on amazon.com okay so with the death penalty um i you know i have to go on record and
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saying uh in the case of murder i think that the death penalty is not only permissible but
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biblically speaking i i think that it's mandated um uh and i root that not just in the decalogue
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but the no way covenant and if any man takes another man's life he forfeits his own so but
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as it pertains to what we were talking about just right before that um so so sins versus crimes
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not policing you know that made you feel like okay i can see that um in terms of now like uh
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degrees of punishment and the death penalty being the highest capital punishment. The way that I
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read the Old Testament, because in the Old Testament, it's not just murder, right? Genesis
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9, Noahic Covenant, that's there. But then you start getting into Leviticus and, you know,
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numbers. And it's like, if you carry, you know, a bundle of sticks on the Sabbath,
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you know, like, you know, an unruly son who's disrespectful, who strikes his father, you know,
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in rebellion death. Um, I mean, I'll, I'll admit as a Christian pastor, I've read the Bible once
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or twice. And, uh, yeah, I mean, the death penalty is pretty, uh, God's pretty generous
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with that. Um, and one thing that really helped me, I remember reading one theologian
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and, uh, well, actually, uh, his name is, um, Rush Duny and, and he, and he talked about like,
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uh, so think of it like this, uh, the state of Texas, like you'll see, you know, don't mess with
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Texas, which sadly I can tell you, um, you can absolutely mess with Texas. Texas is a pretty
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limp wristed, uh, sadly, but, um, you know, don't mess with Texas, don't litter. And, and you'll see
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the signs and it's like littering can be penalized up to. And so it's like the, the implication is
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there's a scale. And so it's like up to $5,000 fine or, you know, two years in prison. But I
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personally, I don't know about you, but I don't know anybody who's currently doing hard time,
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you know, for throwing away a candy wrapper out of the car window. Um, but I think the reason is
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there is because you like, even though it's, it seems silly, like nobody would do that. I mean,
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there are some actually retarded people in the world who might, um, it, I think of the repeat
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offender, you know? So it's like, it's one thing if it's like, you know, you throw a candy wrapper
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out. But like, what if you've been pulled over, you know, like 47 times this year for littering
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and, and then, and then you got bigger and bigger to where you're like you're burning all of your
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trash and rubber tires in the back backyard to own the libs, you know, meanwhile, you're literally
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destroying the earth. And then, you know, and, and it's just more and more, well, eventually it's
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like, yeah, I think you actually should go to prison. Even then I wouldn't say the death penalty,
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but when I look at all these old Testament laws outside of murder, life for life, eye for eye,
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tooth for tooth. I think that's proportional justice. But in those cases where it's not
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murder, you're not taking a life. I think the death penalty is often cited, but I think it's
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cited kind of like the litter sign in Texas. I think it's cited as a maximum penalty and would
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be reserved. Like as I've studied, if a son strikes his father in rebellion, he's put to death.
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I've read like a bunch of historians, different guys. There's actually not one case in all of
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old testament uh israel's history of that ever being carried out so it's like here's this law
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but and i don't think it's just that it wasn't enforced i think they knew right we have what's
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inscripturated we don't have all the side conversations and things like that i think
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they knew like this is not just like a five-year-old throwing a tantrum right this is
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and even next to it says or if he is a drunkard it's not talking about a little kid it's talking
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about a grown man with his elderly parents publicly shaming mom and dad, which is debauchery
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and rebellion. And likely, I think we're meant to assume repeat offender. He's been brought,
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you know, before the elders in Israel and told he needs to get in line. And he's just, there's
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zero restraint. And, um, and it's not just a personal insult, like slap one cheek, turn the
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other. Uh, but he's, he's violent. He's dangerous. He's a liability. Um, he's criminal. Um, and I
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think yeah uh that to the nth degree uh can go all the way up although they never had to enforce it
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but could theoretically go all the way up to death that helps me like when i think of homosexuals
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for instance it's like joel so do you think uh all homosexuals should be uh stoned it's like well
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bullets are little stones you know like that you know like i don't think we have to pick up but no
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i'm being facetious no i i don't um but i think that there um i think it's a sin and i think that
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it can become a crime. So it's one thing if it's two guys, that's how the whole slippery slope
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happened. They're like, oh, it's just, we just want the same rights as you. Yeah. But then you
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gave them an inch and now it's like, hey, kids in the public library, sit in my lap as I'm dressed
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up as a drag queen and we're going to put porn in all of your books. And we're going to like,
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yeah. So I think like, or, or in New York, a gay pride parade with grown men with their,
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their genitalia hanging out in front of children on the side like like okay now now we're talking
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about a crime right you know and even then i'm not saying immediately it has to but a crime some
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kind of penalty and then are they so brazen they turn around next year and do it again right you
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know and do it again what do you do if it's like the 10th year anniversary they've been doing it
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for a decade running every single time you find them or you did that like eventually um there has
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to be a harsher penalty so that's even that i know a lot of our listeners would be like that's
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hardcore but like um just just i think it helps honestly because a lot of people will point to
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the old testament god's punishment they'll say he's severe he's too harsh i i like fleshing this
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out if nothing else just to um just to to defend the character of god that like god actually isn't
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harsh um he he knew what he was doing he knew what he was thinking and there are conceivable even in
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our modern society there are conceivable situations um and our our mind immediately
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goes again to the five-year-old kid who said dad i'm mad at you that's not what the old testament
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was talking about any thoughts on that yeah i think that's very helpful because i i think there
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is rightly so maybe i think there is such an aversion to that in the public consciousness
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the idea of an executioner swinging an axe um because of you know and you're protestant because
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someone said a swear word like that's the kind of thing that people think right and i can't help it
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me being from a very liberal city like chicago and even growing up in a suburb that was pretty
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liberal and permissive i think and as an american there's just sort of a natural aversion to that
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um and to kind of an extremely punitive justice system and i have to tell you as a christian
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i don't come away from the gospel thinking that the state uh should be liberal with murder should
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or should be liberal let's say with the death penalty i i with that being said believe that
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people should be put in prison there should be a lot more people in prison and i've said before
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on my show i think the prisons should be made more humane because then we could put more people
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there for longer the reason that we don't like prison a lot is because the prison is like uh
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you can die in prison you get raped in prison um it's it's inhumane in some ways but i think that
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we should make them maybe more modern and nicer so we feel comfortable sending people there so that
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they can be rehabilitated i do believe that we should have a society that's forgiving but i also
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agree that what you're describing i don't think anybody has a problem with in principle which is
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that um people that cannot get along in society should be removed from society whether that's put
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in a box forever or whether they get the death penalty or banishment or ban or right ostracism
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banishment exile anything like that um and it is helpful to think of the worst case scenario
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because i think you you strike me as a warm-hearted person i'm a warm-hearted person
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And I don't think that society should be looking to inflict punishment on people.
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And it is instructive to think of the worst case examples.
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Like as a Catholic, I think of Satanists who will go and steal one of the blessed hosts.
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They'll go and steal the bread during the mass and use it in a black mass or to desecrate it.
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And someone who is doing that, I think, should get the death penalty.
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because that that is the body of christ um so you know maybe coming at it from a different
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point of view like yeah different point i can understand it but i do appreciate that although
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we have different views on the sacraments i do appreciate that because that's not the satan is
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physically hurting any person neighbor uh but that's actually a desecration of god according
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to the catholic view so that would be a first table you know like love the lord right and and
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i appreciate that because even with among protestants like i've gotten a lot of pushback
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a lot of protestants who are like devout in love love the lord and want to see america be a
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christian nation they still there's just something in their american dna um when i would argue
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modern american um because america wasn't actually always this way america had i mean
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we had blue laws sabbath laws we had we had blasphemy laws right so it's it's not even just
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once upon a time in israel um no it's like it's been done before it's been done recently and it's
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been done here right it actually is american actually is hasn't been for a little while but
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actually is but yet what i'm saying is that a lot of these protestants who really love god are not
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questioning that and really want the country to be christian they still um the anything within
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the first table so they would differ from you they'd be like yeah murder is capital punishment
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um but but the example that you gave like something that's um that's exclusively only a
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death desecrate uh um you know blaspheming the church blaspheming christ they would say well
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yeah that's really bad and and um that should be frowned upon but uh the state has no business
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enforcing any kind of moral law of god um within the first table of the law love um love the lord
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your god don't don't make any graven images don't take his name in vain remember the sabbath and
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the fact that you actually have like a case study that would fall in that category is based. I like
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it. Good. So, well, yeah, because that's something that can never be excused or pardoned with good
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intent. Nobody would accidentally, that is so intentional and so malicious. Nobody would
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accidentally conspire to take the blessed sacrament and desecrate it in an evil ritual
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by accident or with good intent or i mean that's just evil yeah i could see a couple protestants
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doing that yeah i suppose because how dare you extremely anti-capitalia sure yeah um you know
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but uh yeah so i i could understand that in some cases i just think it's also important to preserve
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like let's be honest we and i agree with you 60 years ago we had some very intense laws on the
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books about sodomy about race mixing about blasphemy pornography was was effectively
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illegal uh for a long time there was a case with larry flint which is what made it more permissive
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and i think that we've clearly just gone way too far in the opposite direction yes i don't want to
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go back to the middle ages i don't even necessarily want to go back to the 1800s but i think that we
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have definitely just gone so far in the opposite direction where anyone can recognize you go into
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the city square and it's nudity weed public intoxication public displays of affection and
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by that i mean in some cases people are having sex openly in public people are naked protesting
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in portland and uh this is not a decent society we want to live in and i agree that once it crosses
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into scandal scandalizing others children it's offending other people trespassing on the commons
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I think that does then become subject to the law.
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And I like what you said even about that slippery slope.
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They talk about the privacy of their own homes.
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It's sort of paradoxical because they were never arguing for discretion.
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It was always, whether it was homosexuals or anything for that matter, they wanted to bring it out into the public.
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And for it to be tolerated, openly acknowledged. And so it's sort of strange because that's the argument people always use is, well, what about privacy? I don't think anyone has a problem with discretion and privacy. They have a problem with what it is now, which is loud and proud, public, vulgar for the sake of it, transgressive and offensive, provocative for the sake of it. And why would a decent society tolerate that?
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and predatory yes with children yeah malevolent yeah i agree um last thing that i would do like
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as you know i i would absolutely call myself a christian nationalist and i helped you know with
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a group of guys and writing a statement on christian nationalism a few years back
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last thing that i would do there's a million things but you know big macro picture um so
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legislation laws we've talked about that um i think you know one of the uh not so rare sadly uh
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founders l's um is i i think uh they should have more explicitly named the lord jesus christ
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and so i actually like the constitution um i i just i don't think that we can i'm not hopeful
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that we can get back to it you know that'd be great to just constitution even harder you know
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but it just hasn't been working out for us for quite a while i don't think we're going to be
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be able to just vote our way out of it. I think some, if, if history, you know, is any bearing,
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I think something else is going to happen. But I do like the constitution. I think you would have
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to get back to authorial intent with the first amendment and those kinds of things, you know,
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like Congress shall make no religion. So yeah. So Congress at a federal level, no, I don't think
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that the state can come and say, we're going to have a national church and it's going to be this
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particular strength is going to be episcopalian and all the presbyterians and all the catholics
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and all the baptists are going to be punished i think that's un-american and uh and i think that
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was probably included in in the realm of thought of the founders um but what was probably not their
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authorial intent that they weren't thinking about at all i don't think they could even conceive of
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like millions of hindus you know what i mean right millions of muslims um i when the first amendment
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was written, I don't think they were saying, we want to make sure that in Minnesota, an entire
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town could be overrun by Muslims and they could set up, you know, statues and have prayer sirens
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and calls to prayer. Like, if they knew that that was going to happen, I think like
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the first amendment would look a little bit different, you know? So when they say freedom
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of religion and those kinds of things, I think, you know, I've read even some commentators on that,
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like early commentators, it was freedom in regards to various expressions of worship
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toward our common Lord. You know what I mean? That Catholics and Protestants wouldn't kill each
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other. That Baptists and Presbyterians wouldn't try to drown each other. I don't think it was
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so that millions of Muslims can live here and worship a sand demon. I don't think that's what
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So if we can get back to authorial intent, then I mostly like the Constitution.
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Some of the latter ones I'd like to revisit, you know.
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But last thing, though, is I do think like a preamble.
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I would love to see like the Nicene Creed adopted as a preamble to the Constitution where we are.
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um but i like creedal uh because it's more encompassing a creed is is precisely specific
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enough to where um no non-christian can affirm it but also intentionally general enough to where
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the christians don't turn on each other right like you like the nicene creed i do i like the
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nicene creed so that seems like a good you know like so like right before we get to the constitution
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let's start with that name the lord jesus christ then let's have the first 10 amendments and the
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actual authorial intent let's maybe get rid of a few of the latter ones or amend them and you know
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and then let's actually legislate not a deep police state but with gradations and using prudence
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and also compassion um and recognizing that uh the first table of the law um actually some of those
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things are not just sins but crimes and then other things are just sins and then the state has no
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business in it and by god we could have our home again you know it'd be really nice so that's to
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me christian nationalism america first can you talk to us about that yes um you know i call
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myself america first because when we talk about who we are you know what is our grouping people
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tend to say we're conservative or right wing right right and i heard that my whole life and i always
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identified as a conservative or libertarian or right wing or something and these are terms that
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increasingly don't really have meaning what actually does that mean and and people have to
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ask themselves what is a conservative because now we're being told it's conservative to be
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a religious pluralist in favor of multiracialism in favor it's like so what what actually people
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ask are we even conserving or serious about conserving and then people get to something like
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well being a conservative is being a liberal it's being a a right liberal a classical liberal right
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it's like okay so is conservatism even a tangible thing and i look at myself in the context of what
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has happened in the past 30 years which is globalization and the globalization of the
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government with the supranational institutions like the imf the world bank the united nations
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These institutions that sit on top of our government, as well as the influence of foreign interests, multinational corporations, foreign intelligence agencies, the globalization of the population with open borders, immigrants pouring in.
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And this is even, to your point, about the intention of the Constitution.
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Was it intended for there to be millions of Indians, Chinese, and foreigners here?
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We're becoming globalized in terms of the demographics and the globalization of the economy through free trade, which is the interdependence of the United States with China, Mexico, Canada, these supply chains which make us dependent on other countries.
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And so it's in the context of globalization that I don't feel like a conservative where they're preoccupied with limiting the size of government or vague appeals to family values, which become more vague and generic all the time.
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You could say that 20 years ago to be conservative was to be Christian.
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Now in 2025, if you ask Turning Point USA, they say it's ethical monotheism.
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They have to say that to accommodate Jews, Muslims, Hindus.
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It's like arguably 100 years ago, maybe it was some, maybe it was Presbyterian or Episcopalian,
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then it became like well we're one nation under god christian god now it's like ethical monotheism
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i wonder what it'll be like in a hundred years when we have like polytheism pagans it'll just
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be like uh all all they'd be like deists or something um and so anyway i look at conservatives
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as basically they're just not speaking the same language anymore um it doesn't seem to have a
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hard definition. It doesn't seem to have answers for the actual problems affecting real Americans.
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I said, so my real ideology, which is something I was searching for in 2016 when Trump was elected,
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when Trump ran in 16, he didn't say I'm the most conservative. He didn't say I'm the most
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right wing or the most Republican. He said, I'm America first. He said, this is about globalism
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and nationalism not liberals and conservatives democrats republicans it's about globalists
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internationalists and nationalists people that want to put the american people first
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and in his inaugural that's where i got the name of my show and just funny story when i started my
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show with right side broadcasting network they asked me what i wanted to call the show and my
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first instinct was the nicholas j fuentes show and they said well that's too long no one knows
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who you are no one knows your name i was like okay uh they said so you need something shorter
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something different and i really had no idea a month later trump gave his inaugural and in the
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inaugural he said a new vision will govern our land it's going to be only america first yeah
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and i heard that and i said that's it like that and it's because that really encapsulates
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who we are when i say we and like our kind of people and they the people that are against us
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it's those that want to that have a sense of american identity that it's about the american
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people and their history their heritage going all the way back even before the founding right before
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the settlement of the north american continent where we come from who we really are and putting
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that first, that that's the priority, explicitly identifying as Americans. And even what was the
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point of the border wall? Yes, it's to keep foreigners out. But I thought it was bigger
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than that. It was a tangible representation that said, this is America. That is the rest of the
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world. It gave us definition in a physical way. And I said, that's who I am. I'm America first.
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and that's something that ben shapiro could not claim right the democrats could not claim uh you
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could even say the capitalist class by those not to sound communist but the wealthy the owners
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right the people that own the multinational corporations and they live everywhere you know
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they have houses in europe and asia and america they do business everywhere they could not even
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call themselves america first so whether it's typically you think it's conservative and liberals
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you know and conservative over here it's uh free trade capitalism right like and so you know or
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like a ben shapiro type you know he'd be like oh he's one of us and and those were kind of the
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dividing lines and we're like how come things just keep getting worse and worse like right well it's
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like it's ping pong but like both sides are are really just two sides of the same coin uh and
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you're right trump really in a lot of ways said like the reason we keep losing is because both
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teams are against you both teams like there's a that's not the paradigm liberal conservative the
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paradigm is um the world or us you know and and i think you saw that early and hopped on it and
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that's kind of been your legacy for the last 10 years yes well that's how i position myself because
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i look at someone like a charles coke let's say and say he's not america first if you're in favor
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of like ultimate deregulation, ultimate neoliberalism, free trade, the rest of it,
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you're not really on my team, even if you're in favor of capitalism broadly or traditional values
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or something like that. And the same goes for Shapiro or Soros. It was really just about
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properly setting people on the right sides of the issue. And so for 10 years, I've been creating
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this space where I didn't and what's interesting which I don't talk about too much anymore but
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this is very relevant in 2017 is it seemed that there was this there was no faction or no space
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for somebody that I would call a true alternative to the right wing you had the term alt-right which
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was extremely popular in 2016 and that label went through a lot of changes in 2016 to be alt-right
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meant that you weren't an establishment republican because in 2015 right up until trump announced
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you really had bush republicanism bush conservatism and that's just what there was
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individual responsibility small government free markets like that's what it was to be right even
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the wars to be right wing Trump comes along and says I'm a nationalist not a globalist and you
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just get this flood of new ideas you get the French new right you get the perennialists like
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Evola you get um white nationalists white identitarians race realists uh holocaust
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revisionists anti-semites you get all these other people that were right wing like they were anti-left
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but they didn't fit that old mold of conservatism and so people said this is the alternative right
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this is an alternative to what we're getting and trump wins the election and after the election
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alt-right became something very specific and it really meant like anti-american anti-christian
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because it was a lot of uh racialists pure racialists that said it's not about america
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it's about whites or uh people that were against christianity because they saw christianity's left
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wing like a jewish psyop to make to weaken the west through like a toxic compassion to eradicate
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white people yes and they they see wokeness and leftism as proceeding from christianity marxism
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proceeding from christianity and they identified with like the pagan new right in europe um or
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they identified with even some like atheistic or secular versions of the right wing and so i i kind
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of came to realize in 2017 as trump drifted back towards the establishment there is really no space
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for something that i saw this vision so clearly like a george washington national identity pro
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america identifying america with its european identity identifying america with its christian
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heritage being very far right anti-foreign wars right wing on the economy but not in favor of
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total international trade total free trade and things like that and i said that this is where
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i think actually most people are i think that people want to say merry christmas they want
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jobs they don't want immigrants they don't really care what the size of government is as long as
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it's efficacious and doing the things they wanted to do well. They don't want to fight in wars. I
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said like, this is where the country is. So that, that was my message basically from 2017.
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And you blew up into the stratosphere. Yeah. It's pretty impressive. Um, what do you,
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the whole time you were talking, you like Pat Buchanan, right? Yes. Yeah. Me too. Um,
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but every pat buchanan has his buckley you know to come and subvert and and lie and slander which
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that's i mean national review and i think you know the like and people still say it like it's a point
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of pride you know like um like it's a good thing to be buckley and i mean he was even you know from
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my reading he was uh even questioned you know later on in life like do you really think that
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Pat is an anti-Semite. And he was like, no, no, I just publicly slandered him for, you know,
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forever and, uh, totally just, you know, worked and subverted and took him out of the game. Uh,
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just cause he disagreed with me. Um, you seem to be a Buchanan of sorts. Who are some of, uh,
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the Buckleys who are some of the guys, uh, who've really over the last 10 years thinking back,
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not just today because it's easy to think of what's fresh but um who are some of the guys like
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early on who you feel like uh they saw you saw what you're doing maybe had an inkling of what
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it could become and like we've got to stop it it was shapiro without a doubt he was the number one
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op and people don't realize but in those days shapiro was worshipped he was the guy and that's
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before anyone was hip to any of the um jewish stuff israel stuff people weren't seeing it back
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then and so they just looked at him as like a debate bro maybe they didn't even really know
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he was jewish or even what that meant they didn't really know the context with israel and so they
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looked at him as like a a very far-right debate bro who was a no holds barred debater like when
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he went on piers morgan and debated about gun control or when he went on college campuses and
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owned the liberals they saw him as like uh as fashy like a fashy based young uh you know debate guy
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and shapiro of course was a never trumper and that is because he recognized what trump was and like
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the potential of what trumpism could become because when you say america first it is basically
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the inverse of that is like not israel first right because it's like well why would you need
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to declare america first who is coming before america well you know some people might say the
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un uh some boomers might say that but the real people know who comes first when we talk about
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the war in iraq who was put first there and some of these other things now trump he meant the whole
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international system he meant like south korea germany because we had troops deployed there
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he meant um even these companies benefiting from offshoring the jobs or free trade agreements or
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things like that come to find out now with hindsight trump meant america first over everything
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maybe except for israel yes right literally yeah um yeah and and so you know shapiro it's sort of
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ironic like me and shapiro in like a weird horseshoe kind of way we both saw what trumpism
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really was right no one else saw it no one else like right and people were arguing back then like
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is trump a nazi no he's not he hires black people he's pro-israel you know but like me and shapiro
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both heard the signal through the noise we understood kind of the significance of what
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was implied which is he's planting a seed here where if you're not kind of brainwashing the
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boomers by telling them who's who's a true conservative and who's not conservative if you
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cut to the chase and say we say merry christmas here this is america we're building walls to keep
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people out and we're nationalist and trump in particular is always talking about the american
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story pioneers he explores settlers the industrialists he's quoting napoleon yes pretty
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cool. Quoted Mussolini. He said in the campaign, he said, um, he tweeted better to live one day
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as a lion than a hundred as a sheep. And, uh, and some journalists said, do you really want to
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be associated with Mussolini? And he goes, I want to be associated with interesting quotes.
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So good. Um, but where's that guy? Right. Right. I miss him. Yeah. And you know, but
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what they feared what shapiro feared is that he was a populist like he was really rallying the
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peasants in an anti-elite message saying like the problem is the elites the rich the government um
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he was rallying the rubes around the flag and the cross less of the cross more so the flag but there
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was still it was implicit it was sort of rhetoric right and you know that's just like naturally
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anathema to someone like Shapiro. And by that, I mean someone who is Jewish, pro-Israel, like he
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sees where that's going. So he was stridently never Trump. And I remember that when I was
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introduced to Shapiro, not directly, but this friend of mine texted Shapiro. I told the story
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on PBD and she said, you got to take this guy under your wing. He's amazing. She goes, he's a
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And that's why it was very important that they assimilated Trumpism into conservatism
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and that they neutralize anyone that Trump activated, that he awakened.
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They wanted to suppress anything that looked like Buchanan, Sam Francis, Charles Lindbergh,
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the old America First Committee, the know-nothings.
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They wanted to suppress that great tradition, which has been alive in America for a long time.
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It seems like, you know, first wave Shapiro as a Buckley for you.
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Did you guys ever, I imagine you didn't, but did you ever get to talk to each other directly?
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He just would never, just pretended that you didn't exist.
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and he would deliberately avoid even saying my name.
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He would just say like that person, that guy is a troll.
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at the end of it, it was the most brutal event.
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that surrounded the table of Groypers and it was the most rowdy one because you know at that time
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he was doing all these events and they were pretty tame right uh and then the Q&A line would form
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and like most of them would be Groypers and they would respectfully wait their turn they'd have
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their little question their rosary their MAGA hat and they'd go up and respectfully ask the question
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and and Charlie would answer he'd get jeered a little bit but this one was like out of control
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because it was it was out in the open he was at a small little table and he was just surrounded
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of by groyper screaming booing him yelling at him it was brutal and at the end of it he got a
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question about me to debate me and this was like i get secondhand embarrassment he had next to him
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like uh something covered in like a sheet the entire time he pulls off the sheet at the very
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end it's a tv and he pulls up a clip from my show from when i was in high school wow when i said that
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i didn't like trump in like 2015 and i was a senior in high school and i said uh trump is
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not a serious candidate you know he needs to let someone like ted cruz or whatever um but he
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couldn't get the tv to work so he pulls off the sheet like oh nick fuentes about that he takes
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the sheet off. He's going to play this clip. And like the audio is not working. The video is like
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a classic AV problem. And while he's trying to put this together, people see what's happening
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and they just start booing him viciously. Charlie Kirk says Nick Fuentes is a Groyper grifter and
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I'm out of here. And he gets up to leave and the mob follows him. So he gets up and is walking
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through the campus, getting followed by like 200 people chanting America first, America
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first. It was brutal. And that was the only time he ever mentioned me. And I, it's sort
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of, I honestly, it makes me a little emotional. It's sort of tragic that I never got to talk
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to him. There's like something deeply sad that we, our clash in many ways sort of defines
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And it's just a crossover that never will happen now.
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I would say that Shapiro really pursued me with a vengeance.
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ultra i mean i know i can't swear on your show but he was a jerk okay his dad tim phillips ran
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americans for prosperity which is like this cut out for like corporations to sell deregulation
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um and cabot so the guys like royalty because his dad runs this high power was a very powerful
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non-profit and he was at campus reform and this guy was constantly attacking me on twitter now
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I always had Daily Wire as like their editor in chief, I think.
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It was Josh Hammer was with Daily Wire at the time.
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Elliot Hamilton, Aaron Bandler, like they had a whole click always going after me on
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But Charlie was pretty brutal, too, because they put together like a highlight reel of
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all the clips compiled by Media Matters on Twitter.
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benny johnson did who worked at turning point and said here's nick denying the holocaust here's him
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saying he hates women here's him saying something racist about black people and they were like
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inquisitors looking for groipers and turning point firing them wherever they could find them
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firing people for being in a photo with me wow so they really blackballed me hard they all did um
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but did you have momentum at that point or they could just see the potential of what you would
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become in um 2017 shapiro went hard on me because i saw the potential i had no momentum right they
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just saw it was sort of like luke skywalker yeah you know they kind of saw that i had a force
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ability and they're like this guy's going to be a jedi you know in 2019 it was more like empire
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strikes back yeah it was like oh i'm going to complete your training because i in the
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griper war i was surging huge live stream audience huge organic following doing events and they
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really just tried to knock me out of orbit and largely they succeeded with reputational damage
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censorship i i was told that a jewish fixer got me kicked off youtube really shortly after that
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because as retaliation for the griper war wow because the griper war was in december that's
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when i got my first strike december 19 and then february 2020 is when i got banned wow so um yeah
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so they you know daily wire tried to throttle me in the crib turning point really tried to uh
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destroy any momentum i had big difference that i see between you know charlie kirk and ben shapiro
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is uh two one and this is a big difference uh charlie was a christian
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ben shapiro no yeah and second charlie you know i wasn't an avid listener but i would tune in every
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now and then if something was going viral or see this or see that and you see like you know some
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of the early days and then and then even not that long ago maybe three years two three years ago
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four years maybe where he's you know like raising his voice and stands up and starts shouting at
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someone who's saying, um, what place to, uh, openly, you know, um, aggressively homosexual
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people have as leaders in the conservative movement. And Charlie's like defending the
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sodomites, his natural instinct is like, they're great. Like, who are you to say that they can't
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be, uh, you know, a part of this and leading and, uh, and does God not love everyone? I mean,
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just like every cliche cringe you could possibly imagine but but even that like to be fair um
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he he he shifted he really did and so like when i think of shapiro and i think of charlie kirk and
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you know them both you know or about them both much better than i do but one's a jew right and
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one's a christian that's a pretty big difference you know um but then beyond that one seems to be
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just kind of static like i don't i don't feel like there is any evolution with shapiro no whereas
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charlie it's uh it's sad because it's a brother in christ um heritage american and um i i thought
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he had some good stuff i thought he really did and uh and it's interesting to see what he would
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have become you know like who knows where he would have landed i think eventually you guys would have
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gotten that debate. I think so. I think you would have, especially here's the thing. I don't think
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10 years from now, I think you, I think that debate could have happened in 2026. Yeah. Like
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next year. It's kind of crazy to think any final words for this episode, America first Christian
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nationalist. What do you think? I think they're deeply connected and I think you almost can't
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have one without the other. Yeah, you can't. Yeah. So I'm, I'm in, I'm in favor of an alliance
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