James Fishback is running for Governor of Florida and is a rising star in the Democratic primary field. In this episode, Pastor Joel Webin sits down with Fishback to discuss his path to the governor's race, why he's running for office, and why he thinks Bitcoin should be the new gold.
00:00:00.000Well, abortion, some conservatives will say abortion is murder. And then they'll say, well, let's negotiate a 10 or a 12 week thing. It's either murder or it isn't. It's either a Holocaust or it isn't. And it is a Holocaust. Either it is a genocide against the next generation or it isn't. And so abortion of any kind, surgical, chemical, it's all wrong. As a Christian, I believe that IVF is wrong, that designer babies are wrong, that surrogacy is morally depraved.0.91
00:00:27.280but I think we have to go a step further. I don't want to just shut down this 53 abortion0.99
00:00:30.920clinics. I want to erect a crisis pregnancy center that is open 24 hours a day, seven days a week,
00:00:39.060365 days a year, right where that abortion clinic once stood.
00:00:43.060All right, I'm going to cut straight to the chase. You can open a Moomoo account or a Robinhood
00:00:46.560account. You can trade virtually anything under the sun and you can trade crypto, but at the end
00:00:51.360of the day, you're going to have to pay the capital gains, or you can be forward-minded
00:09:41.300And that's what my friends on the left are, I think, starting to pick up on when they come to our events is if the next governor is going to be a Republican, why on earth am I waiting until November to have my voice heard?
00:09:53.800Why am I letting the system disenfranchise me?
00:09:56.640Why don't I do what thousands of people have already done, Joel?
00:10:00.140It's switch over their party registration from independent, which is called NPA, non-party affiliated in Florida, from libertarian, God bless our libertarian brothers and sisters.0.75
00:10:10.440And even Democrats saying, look, I might not agree with this fishback guy on everything, but the Democrat can't win in Florida. It's math, it's statistics, it's probability. If I were living in New York City, don't take it out of context, but if I were living in New York City, I would probably be a registered Democrat. My politics wouldn't be any different. Perhaps I'd even be more radical because I'd be in that echo chamber.0.85
00:10:30.740But I would recognize that voting for a Republican in the general is stupid in New York City. The real election happens in the primary. The same thing happens in Florida. And so what we're seeing on the ground with the voter registration numbers is thousands of people, Democrats, independents, libertarians, switching over to Republican to vote our campaign on August 18th.0.99
00:10:53.980Why are we doing that? Why are we seeing that happen? Because we are going back to the basics. And I don't mean the basics. You know, I'm not this kind of centrist Republican. Let's all get along. Let's all do the kumbaya thing, which is rather fitting, given the Trump Lion King meme a couple weeks ago.
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00:11:19.020crats from the panhandle whose ancestors fought and bled for this country in the battle of
00:11:24.800Mariana in the 1860s, protecting their land, their children, their family. They don't want this
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00:11:37.800doesn't want to have her job or her kid's job given to an H1B from Calcutta or Mumbai. And so
00:11:44.880what I'm doing with this campaign is speaking to issues that actually unite large parts of the left
00:11:51.540with the right. I'm never going to say something that I don't believe in an attempt to get votes.
00:11:56.260I've been very clear on the campaign trail that on the issue that is
00:12:00.600one that divides the country right now abortion yeah non-negotiable for me life begins at
00:12:08.100conception jeremiah chapter one verse five the correct number of abortions in florida
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00:13:53.160here's the promo it's nxr 26 think like 2026 nxr 26 for 15 off we have 53 abortion clinics still0.88
00:14:04.680open today i want to shut them down heck joel if we need to we'll burn them down to the ground
00:14:09.240because what's happening in there yeah the people say well abortion some conservatives will say0.98
00:14:13.240abortion is murder and then they'll say well let's negotiate a 10 or a 12 week thing it's either
00:14:17.960murder it isn't right it's either a holocaust or it isn't and it is a holocaust either it is a
00:14:22.960genocide against the next generation or it isn't and so abortion of any kind surgical chemical0.64
00:14:28.060it's all wrong as a christian i believe that ivf is wrong that designer babies are wrong that
00:14:34.620surrogacy is morally depraved but i think we have to go a step further i don't want to just shut
00:14:41.180down those 53 abortion clinics. I want to erect a crisis pregnancy center that is open 24 hours a
00:14:48.460day, seven days a week, 365 days a year, right where that abortion clinic once stood. You're a0.72
00:14:55.240mom and you need help. You need support. You need diapers. You need baby food. You need prenatal
00:14:59.680postpartum care. You need someone to talk to. The community is going to come and support you.
00:15:05.940And I've even said that the pro-life thing to do as well is to work to institute paid maternity leave across the state. That's the pro-life thing to do. I don't think you can say that you're pro-life in many respects and say, well, you had the baby on Saturday. You got to be back to work on Monday morning.
00:15:27.400Now, my mom and my dad, they had their own careers, but for better or worse, neither of them worked at the same time for much of my childhood. So while they both had jobs, we really did grow up in a single income household. I want to get back to that.
00:15:41.180right i want to get back to a nation we had it in the 60s we had it in the 70s we even had it
00:15:45.860maybe up until the early 90s when i was a kid where you could actually raise a family on a
00:15:50.400single income where you could really get married before the age of 30 where you could easily have
00:15:55.180a home before the age of 30 and there's so much that's in the way of that that we can actually
00:16:00.880fix at the state level like a lot of people want to throw up their hands and black pill over trump
00:16:05.280i think trump has been by and large a really good president yeah he has there's a lot i can disagree
00:16:09.920with but he's disappointed me in the second term that's fair but he's still the best president
00:16:15.120within my lifetime i think it's um it behooves us to show gratitude and honor where honor is due
00:16:22.320but at the same time we're not married to a person no we're married to a particular conviction
00:16:27.680a particular um mission and the mission goes on and if that person is no longer pushing the bounds
00:16:34.880then we have to push past them but we don't have to run them over in the bus on our way further we
00:16:40.440can still show honor and respect but there are many many people who are evolving past maga at
00:16:48.600this point um who are disenchanted that uh that came out and voted for trump three times he won
00:16:56.960all three times by the way i i agree i agree and he's done a lot of good um but at the same time
00:17:02.880what we need to push forward. It doesn't seem as though he's quite willing to cross the Rubicon.
00:17:09.100I mean, when he won, you know, in 2024 and immediately was Napoleon posting, right? He
00:17:16.920who saves his country violates no law. I was like, we're back. Let's go. This is what I'm talking
00:17:23.460about. We've got a country to save, but the actions, right? The bite hasn't been nearly
00:17:30.040what the bark has been. And so, yeah, so we appreciate Trump. God bless him. We're grateful
00:17:35.900for him, but we have to push further. But I want to go back real quick to abortion because it1.00
00:17:40.900matters. And I understand that for me, my entire adult life until really, really recently has been
00:17:47.060just a single issue voter, like many Christians. I've always thought in terms of I'm going to vote0.99
00:17:53.640gop down the line because um they're going to have a um i can't necessarily say pro-life i wish that
00:18:02.120i could but they'll at least be less pro-death than the democrat party which is insisting on
00:18:08.440abortions all the way up to nine months we've seen even recently with some nations like canada
00:18:14.280etching out legal provisions that you can tell that they're they're setting the stage for
00:18:18.760for euthanasia now for a child that's already born
00:18:21.640because, oh, well, this child was born
00:18:26.160Or in some cases, I've even seen them making arguments
00:18:29.280for the child was born to a poor family.
00:18:31.200So because mom and dad have less money,
00:18:36.340then they're going to humanely and in love
00:18:39.780is the terminology that they would use,
00:18:41.540put the child to death after being born.
00:18:45.640And so the Democrat party has been utterly pro-death and, you know, Republicans, that's, that's kind of been the issue. But now there's some of these, you know, other issues that have risen to the forefront of many Americans' minds, including Christians such as myself, such as immigration and thinking that what are the things that are pushing, you know, that would cause someone to think about abortion in the ways that we think about abortion.
00:19:10.680I think being replaced, feeling as though you can't afford to have kids, that you can't have
00:19:14.560a single income family, all the things that we took for granted growing up. So all that's on
00:19:19.040the forefront of my mind, but going back to abortion one more, and then we'll move forward
00:19:23.260and look at some other issues. This is kind of a litmus test for me when it comes to politicians.
00:19:29.960We say that we want to burn abortion clinics to the ground. Yes and amen. On the ash pile,
00:19:36.340build you know pregnancy crisis centers those kinds of things um i think that that is uh wonderful
00:19:41.820that said if abortion really is murder um then this is something that donald trump even said
00:19:49.340early on in his first term um when he was campaigning i believe all the way back in
00:19:53.2402015 but he eventually backed off of this rhetoric and so hear me i'm going to give a couple
00:19:58.600disclaimers because i want to be clear with my words um i'm not just trying to pick on women
00:20:03.260if there's a father that is coercing his daughter to get an abortion then he's liable if there's a
00:20:11.020boyfriend if there's a husband if there's a fiance if there's an uncle there's a greedy employer who0.99
00:20:16.280says now's not a good time to be pregnant correct then they close at eight you know stop screwing
00:20:20.520around stacy that's right any man who's involved is liable is absolutely liable and that includes
00:20:27.420of course the man who is a paid hit man in other words the abortionist himself um but when we if
00:20:35.660we really believe like you quoted jeremiah yes and amen a thousand times but if we really believe
00:20:40.860that this is human life and that it begins at conception um if if a woman with a five-year-old
00:20:46.980son a mother drove her son to a hit man and paid him money to shoot that child in the back of the0.79
00:20:55.060head we would say that man is a monster and that he needs the the full extent of the law has to
00:21:03.220come to bear on that man but we would also say this mother that there's there has to be some
00:21:10.340kind of penalty and i feel like the only way abortion will ever truly be ended is we have to
00:21:17.240eventually call it for what it is, this second victim narrative. I understand that the circumstances
00:21:25.280and the bed that has been made for some of these single mothers is everything is against their0.79
00:21:31.520favor. Everything is against them. It's pushing them towards this terrible decision that many of1.00
00:21:36.660them come to regret the rest of their lives. They struggle with PTSD. They have nightmares and cold
00:21:41.780sweats in the middle of the night, knowing what they did. They instinctively in their conscience,
00:21:46.080right? They're made in the image of God. They know that they've done something that is atrocious
00:21:50.860and wrong. And yet at the same time, you and I have talked offline a little bit, we've talked
00:21:55.160online a little bit about deterrence, right? That's what justice does, right? There are just
00:22:02.120penalties under the law, not because we want to retroactively pass laws and then go and find
00:22:08.380everybody over the last 50 years. We're not talking about retroactive applications of laws,
00:22:13.440But I do believe that the only way abortion will really be over and done away with for
00:22:20.900good is that eventually we have to say that every man involved is liable, that that hit
00:22:27.840man, paid hit man, the abortionist, is absolutely liable.
00:22:32.000But also that woman, despite all the things against her, who makes that decision, there
00:22:38.220has to be some kind of deterrent that says, if you make this decision, there is.
00:23:28.980There are women out there who are on their third, fourth, or fifth abortion, and they0.99
00:23:35.440just want to have sex, and they don't want any of the consequences, and they will kill0.90
00:23:39.260their child seven or eight months, and they don't care.
00:23:42.080It's also the case that when I was at a Planned Parenthood outside in Lakeland in Polk County last month, I was faced with just the stark reality that if a mom walked past me and walked in there and said, you know, on second thought, I would keep the baby if you could just help me out with some baby food and some diapers for the first six weeks, the abortionist would say, no, ma'am, all we offer is murder.
00:24:06.820right i would keep the baby if i could get some child care my mom lives out of state no all we
00:24:13.820offer is murder i'd keep the baby if i could just have access to postpartum care no all we offer is
00:24:20.380murder that's true it happens every single day but it also does not excuse anyone who goes into
00:24:28.540that situation willing knowing that what they're doing is wrong if we are serious and we have to
00:24:35.340be as Christians, forget Republicans, forget conservatives. If we are serious that abortion0.52
00:24:39.140is murder because it is, we should treat it no differently than murder. You know what that means.0.91
00:24:46.000And I know what that means. And so it is murder. And so to create a double standard for abortion
00:24:53.040is admitting, is cowering in the face and saying, well, it's actually a hyphenated form of murder.
00:37:02.240If we actually want to use the Constitution, look at the 14th Amendment, right?
00:37:06.820You look at the 14th Amendment and we'll use something like that to carve out some sort of provision for first it's DI and you make it about race.0.97
00:37:15.000And then all of a sudden, you know, the LGBT mafia comes along and they're like, oh, well, you know, race, that's kind of like us.0.95
00:37:22.580And it's like, how is that like you?0.98
00:37:24.000How are these immutable characteristics?
00:37:25.740Well, that's actually the 14th Amendment, you know, had us in mind and our, you know, our lifestyle choices and this and that.
00:37:31.420so we have certain provisions and but but if there's anything that that's actually rooted in
00:37:36.100the 14th amendment at all it would be the unborn it would be the the life of of human beings um
00:37:45.100when i think of an entire class of people that have virtually no rights in these united states0.53
00:37:51.800of america it's not blacks it's it's not hispanics it's not gays it it's the unborn they're they're
00:38:00.200the ones who I believe should have a constitutional protection. And I think that it's incumbent upon
00:38:06.260the Supreme Court to make that argument. It's not just pass the buck to this blue state and this
00:38:12.880red state. It's almost like Pontius Pilate. I'm not really responsible. And he washes his hands
00:38:20.220of the decision of whether or not to crucify our Lord. And we could argue from scripture
00:43:40.380And so I wouldn't call it a ho-tax because, one, I think it's actually degrading of women.0.96
00:43:45.960And I don't think we're called to do that as Christians, even if women are participating in degenerate degrading behavior, that you're not irreparably condemned for that behavior.0.93
00:43:55.680You are called to repent for that behavior.0.83
00:43:58.400And so my issue has never been women who have struggled with that. It has been an industry, a platform that has exploited women, has spread the slander. No, don't be a stay-at-home mom. No, don't go work. No, don't go raise your kids. Sell nude images of yourself on the internet.
00:44:18.300I'll be, and I've already had a number of conversations0.93
00:44:21.560with ex-OnlyFans creators who have broke down crying,