The NXR Podcast - THE SPECIAL - Hell Is Inside the Earth w⧸Alex Stein

00:00:00.000 And so, my fellow Americans, ask not what your country can do for you.

00:00:10.360 Ask what you can do for your country.

00:00:12.800 how they just did this artemis mission and they gave us some crappy pictures that was the fakest 0.96

00:00:32.500 crap i've ever seen you don't believe i don't believe that at all that they were on the dark

00:00:36.920 side of the moon and they showed us pictures that were just as bad as 1969 that's nasa is the 0.98

00:00:42.200 biggest, you know, that in Hebrew, it's NASA, it means to defraud. It's just, it's NASA. It was

00:00:51.120 created actually by Wernher von Braun, who was a Nazi that we brought over in Operation Paperclip. 0.86

00:00:55.460 So the idea that NASA is telling us the truth, and then you look at Elon, I know you probably 0.94

00:00:59.640 like Elon because you're big on Twitter, but I think Elon is so full of S-H-I-T. I mean, I don't,

00:01:05.160 i don't trust radical christian nationalist pastor joel webin joel webin i'm gonna talk

00:01:13.220 about joel webin joel webin is an accident

00:01:16.180 all right i have the privilege of being joined today by alex stein thanks for coming on the show

00:01:38.740 joel it's a privilege you know joel i always like your clips because i always learn something from

00:01:43.580 them so i know in this interview i'm probably going to learn a lot so i appreciate you inviting

00:01:47.220 we'll see hopefully i learned some things as well um i can teach you some stuff but you wouldn't

00:01:51.520 dude you could teach me a ton of stuff on trolling you are the master of i've bought some of your

00:01:56.780 sketches that's really that good of a skill it's like uh it's a good skill donald trump i think is

00:02:01.000 the master troll i know we have some criticisms of him but did you see that you know he posted

00:02:06.580 himself as jesus what did you think about that yeah he uh donald trump has recently trolled

00:02:11.160 jesus christ i'm not a huge fan but but it is trolling but did you laugh i had laughed at least

00:02:16.420 i i i laughed in the sense that so first no i did not laugh because it's not at all it's literally

00:02:22.060 blasphemy it is blasphemy okay but i did laugh when i thought you know what like donald trump

00:02:27.240 might be the only person in america who could legitimately say uh that that's a depiction of

00:02:32.900 jesus i didn't know and it'd be truthful because i think he literally knows so little about jesus

00:02:37.780 that he might have been ignorant and my dad sends me all these ai slot videos that he thinks is real

00:02:43.440 you know like he sees ai and he can't tell the difference if it's real or fake so maybe he

00:02:47.160 thought you know i don't know i mean he just was tricked by the ai slot and it wasn't actually

00:02:52.220 jesus he's right i i view trump you know like i'm grateful for things that he's done but i think

00:02:57.660 you know the second administration has been incredibly disappointed it has but we are in

00:03:02.020 the we're at the start of the second quarter now it looks like i'm just totally defending him

00:03:05.580 i do think that he could rectify his term i don't think it's over yet there's still time

00:03:11.560 yeah yeah there's still time but he he would have to be really deliberate um i now i do i think all

00:03:17.620 the geopolitical stuff like i don't like our involvement with iran and the fact that it really

00:03:22.120 does feel like israel drug us into the war but isn't that good though in a way though that israel

00:03:26.860 drug him to the war and he probably realizes that netanyahu doesn't have his back and then i know

00:03:31.420 this the biggest lessons i ever learned were from mistakes that i made and he makes a mistake he

00:03:36.700 learns his lesson you don't think you think that's impossible problem with trump though is to learn

00:03:40.500 from your mistakes you have to actually acknowledge that you made some well you know secretly he's

00:03:45.120 he's gonna be he's not gonna outwardly ever apologize because he's he's he's a master of

00:03:51.360 doubling down but internally he probably knows hey you would think so but i mean even some of

00:03:55.660 his recent tweets he's like nato didn't support us europe didn't support us but israel did like

00:04:01.340 like so it's one thing if he was just kind of i'm not going to say it out loud but internally

00:04:05.920 i'm realizing maybe these guys are not the allies that i once thought they were but it's it's not

00:04:10.940 just that he's um neglecting to say something negative about israel but he's he's if anything

00:04:16.060 he's he's saying positive things he's like man i wish that i wish that the rulers of european

00:04:21.740 nations were uh half as faithful as netanyahu he's a real friend he's a real ally he came and

00:04:28.800 fought with us you know i mean i feel like that's the rhetoric yeah but it's like i go back to joe

00:04:34.620 biden build back better or whatever his saying was you know sometimes we need things to kind of

00:04:38.460 totally collapse that's true and maybe that's where we're at where the stock market crash is

00:04:42.620 and gas prices as as much as i've been against this war they still haven't reached a peak under

00:04:47.340 biden during the ukraine war so they're still not that bad and maybe he is playing a little 5g chess

00:04:52.080 the fact that now the european union and asia is going to be relying on american energy and i don't

00:04:56.940 know if that was his plan when it started but there is the one silver lining i think is a revert

00:05:02.280 a reverting to not a pure nationalism that i'd like to see but like a regionalism where like

00:05:08.680 our biggest you know tucker said this recently but like our biggest trade partners should be you

00:05:12.820 know brazil argentina you know like it should be close and i and i do like when you put everything

00:05:18.620 to every piece of the puzzle together it's like venezuela eyes on greenland you know the the

00:05:23.480 comments, you know, foreshadowing of Cuba, you know, those kinds of things. And then Iran,

00:05:29.100 you know, in terms of the outcome, what are the implications, messing things, like some of the 0.96

00:05:33.640 globalism stuff up and making people kind of have to revert back to their hemisphere or their corner

00:05:38.820 of the world. I like that. I don't know if he actually intended all that, if it's really 5D

00:05:44.320 chess or just a happy accident, but the war itself and our aggression for me, just even as a pastor,

00:05:51.220 It objectively doesn't meet the standards of just war theory, so we shouldn't have done it.

00:05:56.140 Do you think it affected him at all, getting any kickback from the Pope?

00:06:02.340 I think getting kickback from anybody makes him more resolute.

00:06:07.000 No, and I like Michael Knowles, but Michael Knowles has been pretty critical about Donald Trump's beef with the Pope.

00:06:12.220 And as a Catholic, I understand that.

00:06:14.440 And I think the Pope is actually right in the fact that I don't think Jesus would drop a bomb on Iran.

00:06:19.220 Right. No, I don't think so.

00:06:20.680 I think the Pope has been right about some of the geopolitical stuff.

00:06:25.080 At the same time, it checks out that he's an American Pope.

00:06:29.840 But he's been notoriously loose on borders, immigration.

00:06:34.640 Well, did Jesus care about borders?

00:06:36.800 I mean, he was a nomad.

00:06:38.700 He wasn't a nomad.

00:06:40.520 Well, I mean, he traveled a lot.

00:06:42.240 Yeah, but he traveled within a specific region to speak to his people.

00:06:45.840 You know better than me, but I'm just saying he was a journeyman, to say the least.

00:06:49.660 He traveled.

00:06:50.680 Yeah, but he was from a particular region, Jesus of Nazareth.

00:06:54.700 He was a Judean, right? 0.83

00:06:57.180 So he stuck to his corner of the world. 1.00

00:07:03.240 That's true.

00:07:04.200 We're not Mormons.

00:07:05.680 I know, no, no, but what about all those conspiracies?

00:07:06.920 He didn't come to America.

00:07:07.980 I love those conspiracies.

00:07:09.220 I don't believe them that Jesus and I think those Hindus, you know, you and I had that viral clip.

00:07:13.940 We got millions of views. 1.00

00:07:15.000 You know, we're making fun of Hindus, and I think we should be able to make fun of Hindus. 0.99

00:07:17.940 but uh do you ever hear that conspiracy that oh well before you know the 30 years that we don't

00:07:23.520 know jesus said he was traveling uh india and learning about buddhism i don't believe that

00:07:28.960 but that's just no way i think that's so funny that no way yeah borders i mean so acts chapter

00:07:34.820 17 says that like god sets nations both their times and their borders right so nations are

00:07:40.680 a sovereign outflow of of god's plan so god created a world with distinctions it's not

00:07:46.900 just an androgynous world. 0.79

00:07:48.920 Let me cut you off, though. 1.00

00:07:50.260 Most Mexicans, and I would argue, 1.00

00:07:52.320 and I love big booty Latinas, 1.00

00:07:53.900 I want amnesty for them, 1.00

00:07:55.000 but my point is I actually am not as mad 1.00

00:07:57.560 as a Mexican person coming to Texas

00:07:59.240 trying to become a landscaper

00:08:00.560 or work in a hotel

00:08:01.380 because that's not a job

00:08:02.840 that I'm competing for, 1.00

00:08:03.700 but I don't like Indians coming here 1.00

00:08:05.420 through H-1B visa fraud, 1.00

00:08:07.100 opening up daycares

00:08:08.120 and taking real tech jobs.

00:08:09.840 I think that is a bigger plague 1.00

00:08:11.180 on our society than the Mexican 1.00

00:08:13.160 that is coming here. 1.00

00:08:14.000 Most Mexicans are Catholics. 1.00

00:08:15.820 Yeah, not all immigrants are equal. 1.00

00:08:18.000 If that's the case that you're making, then- 1.00

00:08:19.500 That's the fact.

00:08:19.780 That is that, Joel, that's the best line you've said. 1.00

00:08:22.180 Not all immigrants are equal. 1.00

00:08:23.820 Yeah.

00:08:24.200 And this is what Charlie Kirk said.

00:08:26.560 Immigration without assimilation is an invasion.

00:08:28.940 I would argue that Hispanics actually try to assimilate a little more than the Indians. 1.00

00:08:33.160 You know, they do try to- 1.00

00:08:33.920 Well, I think they try more so there's intent and those kinds of things, like the resolve

00:08:37.320 of the people, the soul of the people.

00:08:39.380 But then there's also just the realities of some peoples are less compatible with America

00:08:44.500 than others.

00:08:44.920 So it's not even just will or intent, but it's also capacity. 1.00

00:08:49.040 Like, I don't believe that a Haitian in one generation in their lifetime can assimilate. 1.00

00:08:55.080 Even if they wanted to, it's too distinct. 1.00

00:08:58.140 It's too distant.

00:08:59.520 I mean, they don't even use deodorant. 1.00

00:09:01.920 Haitians don't. 1.00

00:09:03.120 Indians don't. 1.00

00:09:04.020 I think that that's kind of a bare necessity if you're going to be an American. 1.00

00:09:07.220 You've got to put on some deodorant.

00:09:09.040 I mean, maybe that's too reductive, too simplistic. 0.99

00:09:12.160 But I think Mexicans use deodorant. 1.00

00:09:14.820 I mean, I would think so. 1.00

00:09:16.260 And so if you're in India and you're coming here and you want to smell like curry, that's not assimilation.

00:09:22.700 Yeah, we don't do that here.

00:09:23.900 Yeah.

00:09:24.220 So millions have to go back.

00:09:26.380 And yes, I do believe that God cares about borders.

00:09:29.720 I'll put it to you this way.

00:09:30.860 So you're familiar with Genesis, the Tower of Babel?

00:09:34.720 Yeah, of course.

00:09:35.320 And that's what's...

00:09:35.880 You know, it's funny you bring that up.

00:09:37.420 That's literally what's happening now.

00:09:39.900 And it's Genesis chapter 11, verse 9.

00:09:43.000 You flip it.

00:09:43.560 That's 9-11.

00:09:44.600 which is kind of weird.

00:09:45.720 And then think about this.

00:09:47.300 So what is happening right now?

00:09:49.040 The Tower of Babel, everybody's trying to build a kingdom to heaven,

00:09:51.960 and Nimrod wanted all these people to work hard for them,

00:09:54.400 and then God gave them all these different languages.

00:09:56.840 But what they're trying to do right now is reverse engineer that.

00:09:59.940 They want us under one rule, one language, one currency,

00:10:03.760 and that currency is basically Satan.

00:10:05.980 So they're trying to reverse engineer the Tower of Babel

00:10:08.420 so that we're under one ruler. 0.83

00:10:10.360 And I think that's what Hillary Clinton actually, you know, 0.90

00:10:12.460 What is it? 1.00

00:10:14.580 The Satanist knows the Bible better than a Christian. 1.00

00:10:16.880 Yeah, a lot of times. 1.00

00:10:17.720 A lot of times because that's because they had to reverse engineer it.

00:10:20.480 And I literally think that's what's happening now

00:10:22.140 is they're trying to reverse engineer the Tower of Babel.

00:10:24.320 And that's why they want America because we're the biggest domino.

00:10:26.860 Once we fall, then we will fall into the one world order.

00:10:30.200 Yeah, we'll fall into it or we become it.

00:10:32.440 We become it.

00:10:32.960 Everybody falls into us or whatever.

00:10:34.540 But yes, absolutely. 0.82

00:10:35.400 The Tower of Babel, there are two big sins that God ultimately judges the people there for.

00:10:40.400 One was that they sought to build a tower that stretched to the heavens so that they could be as God. 0.72

00:10:44.920 So arrogance, blatant pride.

00:10:48.640 But then the second is they said to themselves, the text says,

00:10:51.640 they said to themselves, let us build a tower that stretches to the heavens that we may be as God

00:10:57.200 so that we will not be scattered over the face of the earth.

00:11:00.260 So the second sin that's often missed is that they were actually directly rebelling against the dominion mandate

00:11:07.400 that God gave to mankind initially in the garden.

00:11:10.020 where he told Adam to be fruitful and multiply and so fill the earth and exercise dominion.

00:11:15.660 So God's, or let's say man, man's original telos, like his purpose that was ordained by God

00:11:22.480 is that he might multiply more and more image bearers of God and spread out and fill the earth.

00:11:29.360 And so they're saying, we don't want to spread out. We want to congregate. We all want to stay

00:11:32.980 put here where the original plan is that they were spread out. And even if sin had never entered the

00:11:37.740 world. I think that because a lot of people look at Babel and say, well, see, this is the judgment

00:11:42.780 of God for their sin of pride. And so the judgment is different languages and that developed, you

00:11:49.340 know, distinctions and different peoples and tribes and nations. And so they'll look at that

00:11:54.040 and say, so that's God's judgment, but that wasn't his initial plan. So we can't really say that

00:11:58.360 that's good distinctions on the earth. But I think that it's a judgment that's wrapped in mercy

00:12:04.180 because there were not just one sin, but two.

00:12:06.760 One was pride.

00:12:07.480 The second was congregating

00:12:08.860 and not fulfilling the cultural mandate

00:12:10.700 to be fruitful, multiply, and fill the earth.

00:12:13.360 So God's original plan is that man would spread out.

00:12:15.720 He would be a seafaring people,

00:12:17.320 exploring, conquering, exercising dominion.

00:12:20.700 And if we think even if sin never entered the earth,

00:12:22.640 what would naturally happen?

00:12:24.100 Man would spread out and over centuries

00:12:26.260 and multiple subsequent generations,

00:12:29.460 distinct dialects would emerge.

00:12:31.200 Eventually those would devolve into languages

00:12:33.800 and cultures and cuisine.

00:12:35.720 The same reason a guy in New Jersey talks to everyone

00:12:37.540 than a guy in Texas.

00:12:38.080 Right, you would have gotten different people.

00:12:39.600 So different people isn't really a bad thing

00:12:44.000 that was a judgment for sin.

00:12:46.240 I see it as like the judgment was because of their pride,

00:12:50.240 God humbles them and brings them low,

00:12:52.660 destroys their tower building project.

00:12:54.760 But then the mercy, it's a judgment that's veiled with mercy.

00:12:59.440 The mercy is that God actually,

00:13:00.820 in a supernatural catalytic way, he fast tracks the original outcome of what would have happened

00:13:08.160 had they not rebelled, had they obeyed. And so he's like, look, this is what was supposed to

00:13:12.880 happen naturally, spreading out, developing different peoples, languages, and I'm going

00:13:17.440 to make it happen all at once to get you back on track with his original plan, which my point is,

00:13:22.800 I think we have to see different nations, different peoples, cultures, and languages as good,

00:13:28.440 as a positive good, God's intent, rather than just a judgment, something that was never supposed to

00:13:34.000 be. Well, and then, you know, we talked about this a little bit off camera, but to me, it kind

00:13:38.420 of goes to biblical cosmology just a little bit, because if they were building a tower to heaven,

00:13:43.180 that means heaven's a lot closer than they'd like to say. You know, if we could build a tower there,

00:13:47.820 and I do think it's closer, and we were kind of talking about it. I think they say we can only go

00:13:52.520 eight miles deep. I think hell is a lot closer than people think as well. So that, I'm 100% with

00:13:57.880 you um people will call you a nutcase and you know but um yeah i i think that uh the souls of 0.98

00:14:05.860 the reprobate the damned um are probably trapped in the physical earth i do too i think that's 0.96

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00:15:45.000 it in the store. And then I also think fallen angels, like the book of Jude, which also references,

00:15:50.620 it's one of the only books in the new testament um it is the only book that references the first

00:15:55.200 book of enoch which is is not to you know um say that the book of enoch for sure it was written by

00:16:01.080 enoch and paulina luna tweeted about it this week oh really you didn't see that she just said

00:16:05.420 read the book oh i did see that yeah i did see that and then i saw they try to construe it as

00:16:10.700 the aliens i think if there are aliens they're probably from the ocean there probably are

00:16:14.300 somewhere here on earth but i think she was trying to get trying to insinuate that they're

00:16:19.860 going to declassify alien information and somehow that's connected to the book of enoch i think

00:16:23.400 that's her angle i'm not sure i see but i think the book of enoch i do think people should read

00:16:27.180 it it's interesting and that's why people say the i mean people don't say the bible's boring but

00:16:31.080 people i don't think there's a lot of interesting things about the bible that people don't know

00:16:34.500 about and i think the book of enoch and if young people actually realize how cool the bible was

00:16:38.860 they would be more interested in it yeah that's true absolutely um so i i don't think that the

00:16:43.480 book of enoch you know there's enoch one and two and three and one seems to be uh the most credible

00:16:48.660 But even the first book, I don't think, was written by Enoch himself.

00:16:52.140 But I think it still dates early.

00:16:54.780 You know what I was watching?

00:16:56.180 I forget.

00:16:56.580 I was watching one of these biblical debates.

00:16:58.360 You know, only 3% of the Greeks or when...

00:17:01.340 This is why we do know the Bible is the Word of God,

00:17:03.940 even though maybe man could have, you know, hinkered with hinkered

00:17:07.080 or the little maybe, but only 3% of people could even read or write.

00:17:11.340 So I'm just saying, so these are very smart people

00:17:13.640 that were able to transcribe it.

00:17:15.200 You know, these are brilliant people.

00:17:16.800 So it wasn't like, it wasn't, there's a bunch of editors like New York Times, like, you know, jacking with it.

00:17:21.860 So it kind of shows you how important the message was.

00:17:25.380 Right.

00:17:25.820 But going back to Jude for a moment, like Jude talks about, you know, fallen angels being locked in gloomy dungeons.

00:17:30.960 So I personally do think that deep within the earth that both, you know, fallen mankind, those who died apart from faith in Jesus Christ, the reprobate, the damned, that their spirits are locked in gloomy dungeons in the earth.

00:17:46.280 and also fallen angels that were, you know, some were permitted for a time to torment men,

00:17:54.000 mankind, but others were deemed, it seems like the implication that Jude's getting at is some

00:17:58.280 were too heinous, too wicked, too nefarious and too powerful to be allowed to roam freely. And

00:18:05.300 so they were locked in gloomy dungeons by the archangel Michael and this heavenly war that

00:18:10.340 was waged and so i i do think that there is a literal place where spirits are kept and uh the

00:18:16.820 the idea that that place might be uh within the depths of the earth i don't think is the craziest

00:18:22.380 thought and i would argue that satan is here on earth with us yeah i i think so i would say that

00:18:29.100 he is but he's bound he's chained so i think he was roaming much more freely pre-christ but in

00:18:35.640 the finished work of Christ, his life, death, resurrection, and ascension. It's this Christus

00:18:39.960 Victor idea that Christ was so victorious that he bound the strong man. And Jesus even gives

00:18:47.200 this parable. He says, if you're going to plunder the house, first you must go in and bind the

00:18:51.140 strong man, and then you can plunder his goods. And so I see like the work of Christ and his

00:18:56.320 disciples, Christians, as plundering the house of this earth, one conversion at a time, preaching 1.00

00:19:02.200 and doing good works and loving your neighbor and all this kind of stuff, plundering the house with 0.98

00:19:06.680 goodness, with benevolence, with Christian truth. And the reason that we can do that as effectively

00:19:13.000 as we have over the last 2,000 years is because the strong man was bound. So I think that Satan

00:19:19.060 was, you look at the book of Job, it's like he's wandering to and fro over the face of the earth,

00:19:23.300 and he seems to have a lot more leeway, a lot more agency in his ability to torment and to destroy

00:19:31.040 and obstruct and those kinds of things but in the finished work of christ i think that satan he's we

00:19:36.320 know from scripture he's not yet cast into the lake of fire so he's somewhere and i think it's

00:19:40.680 probably here but it seems as though satan is on a much tighter leash than he used to be and you

00:19:46.360 you i know that sounds funny because it's like but joel like a much tighter leash but then like

00:19:52.260 epstein files and like world wars and like you know i mean we still got a lot of evil going on

00:19:57.760 right exactly we still have so much evil but i think we forget how wicked the world once was

00:20:03.680 like how barbaric yes like the noble savage is such a preposterous well just imagine trying to

00:20:09.180 crucify somebody today yeah i mean people would be like what you're gonna hang a guy upside down

00:20:13.200 and like crows eat him to death you know after he's dead that would never happen it would be

00:20:17.080 insane and we've talked about on your show like uh so that's like pre-christ i think the world

00:20:21.800 was a lot more barbaric. But then, you know, pre-flood, if we go back to the antediluvian 0.95

00:20:27.580 world before, you know, the flood of Noah, like the reason God flooded the earth is because it 0.99

00:20:33.300 was so obscenely wicked. And we look at the world today and we're like, man, we need...

00:20:37.180 And the giants. Don't forget the giants. I think that's a big part. And so my point is like,

00:20:41.760 we look at the world today and we're like, well, it's obscenely wicked now, you know, and

00:20:44.780 God should just flood the earth now. One, he made a promise that he would never do it again. But two,

00:20:50.080 um i is is bad is as much sin as there is in the world today um i don't think it was like the days

00:20:57.780 of noah i agree i think the days of noah like you're not just talking about bad people you're

00:21:02.160 talking about like like fallen angel demon man hybrids that are like you're talking about

00:21:07.440 like centaurs literally i mean roaming the earth and doing experiments and trying to like

00:21:12.620 corrupt human dna and yeah i think it was really really bad barbaric man eaters you know like

00:21:19.440 literally you talked about nimrod like um a mighty hunter before the lord like people look at that 0.88

00:21:24.480 like oh he was a godly guy and in the sight of god he was a really good hunter um one other way

00:21:30.660 to interpret that some commentators say before the lord means like a like a a brazen um like

00:21:37.880 like really right in front of my face like before the face of god despite god looking on and that

00:21:43.640 he was a mighty hunter um that he was basically spitting before the face of god willing to do

00:21:49.820 what he knew god detest and uh and he was a mighty hunter of of men he was he was a man eater yeah 0.74

00:21:56.480 i mean does anybody argue that nimrod was good yeah some some but like but he was like a giant 0.83

00:22:02.180 who's hunting men and eating them yeah before the face of god and didn't care you know smite me oh

00:22:08.480 mighty smiter kind of thing so anyways so all that being said the biblical cosmology you got

00:22:14.040 me there like i'm not a flat earther yeah but i do because we did see the 24 hour sun in the north

00:22:19.380 and south pole so i think that there is something round i forgot about that yeah so there is

00:22:23.760 something round to our earth for sure but how they describe it you know i just i don't i don't i don't

00:22:29.120 vibe with that and and you know for me you know i forget which chapter of the bible that they are

00:22:33.420 able to stop the sun temporarily joshua joshua so it seems kind of like the sun is the one moving

00:22:39.080 around us and and i guess i vibe more with the geocentric outlook that we are the center of the 0.98

00:22:42.760 universe because we're god's creation and you tell that to a scientist oh you're so stupid but 0.90

00:22:47.140 that's how i see it how i look at it they say what the the moon is 124th the size of the sun 0.91

00:22:53.260 and happens to be exactly 124th distance and that's why it's exactly the same size

00:22:56.760 i think it's a little i think the moon is a little more important than we give a credit for

00:23:01.040 And I think the sun is important, and I would argue that it's kind of like the day and night, good versus evil.

00:23:07.180 It's the yin and the yang, however you want to view it.

00:23:09.420 It's not just a constant.

00:23:11.020 A greater light, a lesser light.

00:23:12.260 Exactly right.

00:23:13.000 And then even if you look at, these people do all these scientific experiments.

00:23:17.180 If you're in the sunlight and you want to get a little cooler, you get in the shade.

00:23:22.180 But if you're in the moonlight and you get in the shade, it's actually warmer.

00:23:25.660 So they say the moonlight's a little cooler.

00:23:27.480 and the moonlight on a beach, if you have a fire, it's more combustible, like it'll make the fire

00:23:32.360 actually burn a little faster. So I just, I think the moon is incredibly important in that as part

00:23:37.020 of God's creation. And they just try to say, oh, it's some sort of accident. But if you actually

00:23:40.880 look at other planets' moons, we have the largest moon in relation to our planet. So

00:23:45.200 even the scientific hypothesis of moons, and if you're an astrophysicist, our moon doesn't make

00:23:53.500 sense compared to other planets moons that's interesting it is interesting i'm just saying

00:23:58.940 the moon is more important in like how they just did this artemis mission and they gave us some

00:24:02.340 crappy pictures that was the fakest crap i've ever seen i don't believe i don't believe that at all

00:24:07.580 that they were on the dark side of the moon and they showed us pictures that were just as bad as 0.98

00:24:11.460 1969 that's nasa is the biggest you know that in hebrew it's uh nasa nasha it means uh uh to defraud 0.65

00:24:20.500 It was created, actually, by Wernher von Braun, who was a Nazi, that we brought over in Operation Paperclip.

00:24:27.540 So the idea that NASA is telling us the truth. 0.59

00:24:29.980 And then you look at Elon.

00:24:30.920 I know you probably like Elon because you're big on Twitter.

00:24:33.320 But I think Elon is so full of S-H-I-T.

00:24:36.580 I mean, I don't trust that guy.

00:24:37.820 About what?

00:24:38.520 About everything.

00:24:39.640 The space stuff or what?

00:24:40.560 A lot about the space stuff.

00:24:41.880 I mean, this is another thing where I get a little triggered is that I'm the same kind of socialist.

00:24:48.440 I'm not a socialist, but, you know, I want to help people.

00:24:50.500 We spend billions and billions of dollars to send all these rockets to space

00:24:54.160 and less than 200 people have even been to the International Space Station.

00:24:57.040 So nobody that you know or I know is really going to go to space.

00:25:00.100 So we're investing all these billions of dollars to go to the galaxies

00:25:04.000 when in reality that money could be better spent here on Earth.

00:25:07.620 And I think that that was used as a...

00:25:08.740 I know, but this is another thing.

00:25:10.340 But that mindset, that's the exact mindset of the 1960s. 0.57

00:25:14.180 I mean, you had black guys doing rap saying like, 0.70

00:25:17.380 you know, there's fighting in the streets, but white is on the moon. 0.93

00:25:20.000 like that was well i kind of agree with tubac we got money for wars we can't feed the poor i mean

00:25:24.800 i think there's some truth to that because in america we spend 1.5 trillion dollars on on our

00:25:30.380 military budget and i really don't feel any less safe or more safe starting a war with iran and

00:25:35.080 and once again i'm not a socialist but if we had social services to help the poor that would make

00:25:38.860 me feel better at night than bombing a school full of children what do you think the poor need 0.97

00:25:43.100 like what do they need in terms of help well some people are just retarded they can't help 0.99

00:25:47.940 themselves. And some people are just, you give them all the help in the world and they're going 1.00

00:25:51.080 to get addicted to drugs. Yeah, no, I agree. But still the idea that food prices couldn't be a

00:25:57.140 little cheaper. Yes, I agree. So I think the things that we need to do to actually help

00:26:02.940 the working poor, which is quickly becoming like half of the country. So I'm very sympathetic to

00:26:08.240 heritage Americans who have been displaced, who can't get jobs, house prices are outrageous,

00:26:13.800 gas groceries all that kind of stuff so um and trillions and trillions on our military to go

00:26:19.200 and start wars on you know behest of israel i'm not a fan of that but you speak of israel i got

00:26:23.720 to cut you off because you didn't let me finish there's one thing 1969 is when the uranium was

00:26:28.500 stolen you know basically from spies and allegedly ben shapiro's like grandfather was connected to

00:26:34.780 that that just came out that there was a shapiro working in the plant where they stole enough

00:26:39.000 uranium to build 10 bombs and yada yada yada so they kind of use that as a distraction and then

00:26:44.500 why did they kill jfk well he died because he wanted to make a pack register as a foreign agent

00:26:49.480 yeah that's true there's a lot of weird stuff and and this is the other thing is

00:26:53.020 bread and circuses bread and circuses space is another bread and circus and that's why they say

00:26:57.740 apollo 13 that they had to pretend that there was a bad uh you know that they almost died in space

00:27:02.320 flight because people were calling abc or forget or cbs i forget which channel it was and they were

00:27:07.340 mad that they were showing the apollo moon missions over i love lucy and because people

00:27:11.560 don't care they'd rather see i love lucy so this is what they do they distract us they give us oh

00:27:15.880 we're going to the cosmos because you know the the second biggest religion in the world or maybe

00:27:21.600 one of the biggest maybe third or fourth is science and so this just reinforces the religion 0.99

00:27:28.100 of science and so that's why i think the space people like neil degrasse tyson is a sick bastard 0.98

00:27:33.940 because well he for a lot of other reasons yeah but it's part of the trans how he wants trans 0.97

00:27:39.760 athletes and women's sports which i actually like because i like to gamble on transgenders and win

00:27:43.160 money but um uh so i'm not against trans women's sports but he is a perfect example of the guy 0.90

00:27:49.140 that worships at the altar of science yeah he is he's yeah he's terrible and he hates he hates

00:27:54.940 christ and he's degenerate in a lot of ways but the idea of exploration the idea of discovery

00:28:01.180 the idea of innovation, I think that this is a part of man's destiny.

00:28:07.360 Joel, let me tell you where you're wrong.

00:28:08.640 Let me tell you why you're exactly wrong.

00:28:10.260 They tell every single person that we know more about space than the ocean.

00:28:14.600 They say that.

00:28:15.320 They say, you've heard that?

00:28:16.760 Yeah, I've heard it.

00:28:18.320 Have you ever had space sushi?

00:28:19.980 You ever had sushi from space?

00:28:21.380 So if we're going to explore anything, why don't we explore the ocean?

00:28:24.620 Why don't we explore the earth that we're on?

00:28:26.480 So they're going to sit here and tell us with a straight face,

00:28:28.480 we know more about space than we know about the ocean and everybody that's watching this show has

00:28:33.280 probably went and swam in the beach so i'm not saying because you swim in the beach you know

00:28:36.620 everything about the ocean but i think that we should invest our time uh studying the world

00:28:41.760 that we live in and not studying places that are billions of miles away to me i agree when i say

00:28:47.140 i think space is just one part of it i think this world is paramount so absolutely we we should

00:28:53.740 explore the oceans um but i'm just saying that the idea of we can't go to space because um

00:29:00.180 eight percent of the world aka white people need to spend all of their money carrying the 92 percent

00:29:08.300 of the world on our back um that's i think that's ridiculous maybe elon's trying to get us you know 0.91

00:29:13.720 build a base on the moon so white people have a place to live oh my gosh there's a but seriously

00:29:20.860 there's a certain point wasn't created for humans to live on so that's why i know it wasn't i'm 0.77

00:29:24.720 being facetious i know i know but but mars i don't think was built for humans to live on i don't think

00:29:28.680 so either uh but my point is this i i feel like um the the basic argument of um white people cannot 0.81

00:29:37.160 innovate and discover we've innovated everything because non-white people um are still living in

00:29:44.620 huts i just i don't buy it yeah i agree with that you go fix your own country that's not my 1.00

00:29:50.720 fault yeah i don't i don't know what to tell you well you saw they just didn't whitey's on the moon 0.59

00:29:55.360 okay but like here's the deal like maybe it's not fruitful but if whitey's on the moon and he spent

00:30:00.040 whitey's money to get there then whitey's allowed to be on the moon yeah but who and non-whitey 0.74

00:30:05.420 non-whitey needs to learn how to feed himself well you don't love freemasons and that's all 0.84

00:30:09.620 who's been to the moon is a bunch of free i don't love freemasons yeah and those are the only guys 0.73

00:30:13.300 that have been to the moon and then if you look at neil armstrong and you look at buzz aldrin buzz

00:30:16.920 Aldrin's mom committed suicide before he even went to space and he still went to space. When my mom

00:30:21.660 died, I couldn't even leave my bed for about three months. So I thought that was weird. And then

00:30:25.340 if you just look at Gus Grissom, who is the original person that was supposed to walk on the

00:30:29.680 moon, he actually hung a lemon on the lunar lander because he said this will never go to space. And

00:30:34.900 then he died in a test launch, not even a launch. He was just sitting in there and they sit in the

00:30:38.920 rocket and they try to communicate with Houston and they put too much oxygen in and they burnt

00:30:43.860 him like he literally burned to death inside this capsule and his family thinks that that was an

00:30:47.500 inside job so i just a lot about what they tell us about the moon and space i think that's no i

00:30:52.780 think yeah just for the record i think there are plenty of things that are suspicious yeah but uh

00:30:57.480 the idea that space doesn't even exist right like you know space exists we can see it yeah but i'm

00:31:02.840 telling you it's like what candace says everything's fake and gay everything in space seems kind of 0.59

00:31:06.420 fake and gay you have these women that go up there there's a black guy up there instead of trans or 0.84

00:31:11.620 I don't know if a trans person has been up there, but it just seems a lot of virtue signaling and it's trying to create a narrative of the science lord instead of the real lord. 0.95

00:31:21.600 And I think, you know, we're talking, we started this episode, kind of want to talk about these college kids. 0.86

00:31:25.840 That is, there's more kids that are actually getting awake to the fact that God is real.

00:31:30.540 But that is the worst plague they've done on young kids is that every time they get into class, they tell us, oh, here are the dinosaurs.

00:31:36.940 Oh, we evolved from pond scum and everything's just a cosmic accident and nothing matters. 0.88

00:31:41.620 that couldn't be farther from the truth. 0.86

00:31:43.360 Like we have such a complex system.

00:31:45.900 It had to have intelligent design.

00:31:47.680 It had to have intelligent design.

00:31:49.680 I will argue that to the day that I die.

00:31:51.680 This was not just some sort of accident.

00:31:53.300 That's how photosynthesis works.

00:31:54.780 And that's how it was designed very intelligently.

00:31:58.320 Yeah, I agree 100%.

00:31:59.960 We've all just accepted this idea

00:32:02.080 that basic hygiene has to come from a lab.

00:32:04.580 If it's going to make my body clean,

00:32:06.720 then it has to be synthetic.

00:32:08.360 It has to be artificial.

00:32:09.740 It needs to be constructed in a lab with guys in white coats and goggles and test tubes.

00:32:15.800 But that's not true.

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00:32:38.940 There's a lot of health companies that are selling to the crunchy right or the hippie tree hugging left saying our product is the superior product.

00:32:47.280 Why? Because it's not bad for you.

00:32:49.940 You'll live and die at 85 years old instead of dying at 83 years old.

00:32:54.080 But here's a question.

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00:33:03.720 I use organic, you know, perfectly natural deodorant.

00:33:07.440 Yeah, I know, bro. You stink. So the question is not just, is it healthy? The question is, 0.98

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00:33:32.500 off van man real ingredients no exceptions um talk about the college kids for a second

00:33:38.100 i'm under the impression you know from some of the statistics that i've seen and then just

00:33:43.400 personal experience and talking to you know college aged people it seems like the kids are

00:33:48.960 going to be all right it seems like uh there is a a shift that is happening among young people

00:33:54.400 that they're moving much more to the right wing than prior generations at that age oh 100 and i'm

00:34:01.060 not saying that every kid on a college campus is is conservative necessarily but they're definitely

00:34:05.880 not left they're more of the pop i would put them kind of in the populist um zone because when you're

00:34:11.080 young and teachers sharing is caring they basically teach us to be socialists you know that's what

00:34:15.380 that's the um status quo that's kind of like the acceptable political position and then people get

00:34:21.820 a little older and they realize oh maybe maybe they're kind of misrepresenting how the world

00:34:25.980 really works and so i would say that young kids now because of the internet and you and i we had

00:34:31.900 the internet but it was different you know what i mean it wasn't on our phone we didn't have a

00:34:35.140 computer in our pocket so they're a lot more hip to what's really going on and so that's why i think

00:34:39.680 more of them are politically aware of what's going on than you and i were because i didn't vote for

00:34:46.280 barack obama but i remember when he got elected i'm like oh we got a i was in college like oh we

00:34:49.360 got a black guy this is cool i didn't realize you know he was a gay muslim i you know what i mean

00:34:54.180 But I'm just saying I didn't have the I had the Internet, but I wasn't looking at Twitter.

00:34:58.320 I just I wasn't as dialed in as these kids are now.

00:35:01.140 And the fact that they're actually doing some research, looking into it, it gives me a lot of hope for a future.

00:35:06.180 Do you can you discern a difference between the young men and the young women?

00:35:11.840 Yes, I would say the men are definitely a little more dialed in, a little more outspoken.

00:35:16.860 But I actually meet a lot of young girls where now because of this new whether you want to call it trad or whatever,

00:35:22.900 where it is socially acceptable to say, I want to be a wife.

00:35:26.160 It's more socially acceptable to say, my goal is to have a family and have kids. 0.99

00:35:29.860 Where in the 90s, early 2000s, that was considered stupid for a girl to think that. 0.91

00:35:34.860 And now that that's become more socially acceptable, 0.97

00:35:36.560 I see more girls kind of going in that direction that I just want to be a homemaker. 1.00

00:35:40.140 And that's really the, you know, I had some girl come to the University of Illinois. 0.99

00:35:44.800 It's like, do you think women can be teachers and administrators? 0.99

00:35:47.800 And I said, well, I think they'd be better moms and cooks. 0.97

00:35:49.880 And that's how I feel.

00:35:50.900 I honestly feel like that.

00:35:52.900 And I'm not saying a woman can't have a job, but I don't think there's a job that she'll get more satisfaction from than raising a family.

00:35:59.080 Yeah. 1.00

00:35:59.940 What'd she say? 1.00

00:36:01.360 Oh, I'm an idiot. 1.00

00:36:02.640 I'm a right-wing, you know, jerk. 1.00

00:36:05.480 But it is what it is. 1.00

00:36:06.960 You're going to get that.

00:36:07.720 And she was a writer for the school paper, so, you know, she's a boss, babe. 0.94

00:36:10.880 And I just, I do think women mature a little faster at that young of an age, maybe in high school. 0.99

00:36:16.780 but now it's becoming more socially acceptable for a woman to or for a young college female

00:36:23.620 to have a more traditional lifestyle being like a wife or mom yeah agreed how do you feel about

00:36:30.820 israel you know my favorite they're our biggest ally i love them so much uh no i i will say this 0.94

00:36:37.080 though this iran war if i'm being intellectually honest which i mean i'm an idiot i try to be 0.77

00:36:43.020 intellectually honest when I give my opinion. Israel definitely twisted Donald Trump's arm 0.97

00:36:47.480 into this war. But you look at Jared Kushner's connection to Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia wanted

00:36:51.100 us to fight this war with Iran, too. And they're one of our biggest allies. So I think Israel is

00:36:56.280 a little too influential, a lot too influential in American politics. But I would say, and I think 0.87

00:37:00.640 I told you this on my show, most Jews are secular. And most Jewish people you actually meet

00:37:05.560 everyday life, they're actually pretty cool people. I'm saying just a Jewish person that's

00:37:09.900 not israel firsters but it's the people that laura loomer ben shapiro mark levin that make 0.80

00:37:17.020 they do more for anti-semitism than dan bilzerian or jake shields or nick quentes could ever do in

00:37:23.000 my opinion i think that's true um were you raised were you raised christian jewish this is how it

00:37:29.880 works so my grandfather this is and this is kind of maybe why i have a little heat with israel so

00:37:33.860 my grandfather got my grandmother pregnant and then moved to new york and started another family

00:37:38.340 and he paid for child support from my dad.

00:37:40.600 And so my grandfather was Jewish.

00:37:41.680 My dad was raised Christian by his mom, my grandmother.

00:37:44.060 And then my mom was from Evansville, Indiana.

00:37:45.640 I was a big Christian.

00:37:46.500 So I grew up going to church.

00:37:47.760 I was baptized when I was 17.

00:37:49.740 I went to Bible study every week in high school. 0.72

00:37:53.520 And I am obviously a Christian, but I'm also not the best example of being a Christian

00:37:59.160 because I feel like I am a sinner, and I do try to not sin,

00:38:04.400 but I just feel like I'm not perfect.

00:38:05.960 And sometimes I'm a little ashamed of, I guess, the fact that I'm not a perfect person.

00:38:15.600 Yeah, nobody is.

00:38:16.440 Nobody is.

00:38:17.180 I don't try to hold myself to too high of a standard.

00:38:19.260 But I think, and it says this on my Wikipedia, and I hate this, organized religion, to me, though, has been so corrupted.

00:38:25.920 And that's almost all organized religion.

00:38:28.840 And Tucker just had a guy on his podcast where he said Jesus is a socialist.

00:38:31.960 And I don't necessarily think that, but I do think Jesus was teaching originally the way, and that was before Gnosticism.

00:38:38.900 I think modern Christianity has taken kind of a detour from what Jesus really wanted to teach.

00:38:45.560 Yeah.

00:38:46.660 And so I think that's where we are.

00:38:48.160 And I do think Jesus died on the cross.

00:38:52.240 I think Jesus was real.

00:38:53.480 You know, people argue that he's not even real.

00:38:54.820 I think there's too much historical evidence.

00:38:56.220 And so for me, I feel like Jesus is who I'm, I don't want to say this in a gambling way.

00:39:02.800 We're not supposed to gamble, but that's who I'm betting on.

00:39:04.780 Because to me, I've kind of looked at it all.

00:39:07.860 That's what story makes the most sense to me.

00:39:10.140 So that's where I am at.

00:39:11.300 And that's why I consider myself a Christian is that I learned about Jesus.

00:39:14.920 And I was like, this sounds like the right thing to me.

00:39:18.940 So that's the kind of Christian I am.

00:39:20.960 And I still, you know, I know you go after a lot of these prosperity gospel people.

00:39:27.100 Yeah.

00:39:27.460 Like, no way should a pastor be driving a Mercedes Benz.

00:39:30.480 Like, they should be driving, you know, a Toyota or a Lexus, for that matter.

00:39:33.960 And I think there is something where a pastor should be, you know, if you're leading a church, you shouldn't be a bum. 0.95

00:39:38.080 You know what I mean? 0.99

00:39:39.080 But I think it's been totally corrupted.

00:39:41.800 And I would argue, and I said this to you, that Joel Osteen is almost worse than Aleister Crowley.

00:39:47.580 Because Aleister Crowley, you knew what he was. 0.92

00:39:49.200 You knew he was degenerate. 0.65

00:39:50.040 You knew he was a Satanist. 0.87

00:39:51.720 But Joel Osteen will say, oh, I'm a Christian.

00:39:54.060 I want to help people.

00:39:54.720 But if there's a flood, he doesn't want to let people into his church because the carpet's new.

00:39:58.960 And I think that that is almost more satanic than the guy saying, I worship Satan.

00:40:02.880 Yeah, that's crazy.

00:40:04.280 I've never been a fan of Joel Osteen.

00:40:06.620 Never will be.

00:40:08.240 Okay, so I'm curious. 0.98

00:40:12.100 So because of your background, because you're Jewish.

00:40:16.120 Yeah, well, my grandfather, yeah, yeah.

00:40:17.440 Your grandfather. 0.98

00:40:17.860 Well, technically, your mother has to be a Jew. 0.94

00:40:20.060 Oh, that's right.

00:40:21.020 Yeah, so technically I'm not a Jew.

00:40:22.740 Okay.

00:40:23.480 Technically, I'm not.

00:40:24.260 But yeah, I got some Jewish blood. 0.91

00:40:25.520 Congratulations.

00:40:26.000 Yeah, thank you.

00:40:26.640 I appreciate that. 0.99

00:40:27.480 But, you know, once again, but I am a little Jewish because I'm really cheap. 0.78

00:40:31.720 And so I do have some Jewish DNA for sure. 0.87

00:40:34.700 I'm curious, like, what do you think?

00:40:36.920 You're a sharp guy.

00:40:38.260 You've been doing the news for a while and uncovering stories and those kinds of things.

00:40:42.000 Like, you said a lot of the Jewish people that you meet are good guys.

00:40:46.160 Most of them are secular, right?

00:40:48.340 Right, they're secular.

00:40:49.080 they're not, yeah, they're not practicing, you know, Judaism. But I'm curious, what do you think

00:40:54.260 there's plenty of secular Jews here? And there's more Jews in America than there are in Israel.

00:40:58.100 And a good deal of them are secular, over half. They're not practicing Jews religiously. And yet, 0.56

00:41:07.780 you know, like, it seems like a disproportional, it's not, it's not all of them, but the

00:41:12.460 disproportional amount gravitate towards you know timeless professions like only fans yeah or you

00:41:19.220 know money well you know i heard the best thing i saw a joe rogan thing and i'll ask you uh what

00:41:24.940 weighs more a pound of feather or a pound of gold they weigh the same no they don't because a pound

00:41:30.460 of gold is only 12 ounces and who do you think decided that that's funny is that true that's

00:41:38.200 100%.

00:41:38.680 A pound of gold is only 12 ounces?

00:41:40.760 Mm-hmm.

00:41:41.100 You learn something new.

00:41:41.960 Really?

00:41:42.660 Yeah.

00:41:43.500 Mm-hmm.

00:41:44.080 That's funny.

00:41:44.980 They literally changed the amount of ounces.

00:41:46.840 Yes.

00:41:47.700 Yes.

00:41:48.040 Okay.

00:41:48.620 But see, that's the other thing is, you know, and this is making it, I always make things 0.89

00:41:53.520 too simple, is that the Roman Empire needed the Jews to be in charge of the taxes or collecting 0.96

00:41:58.960 money, and that's kind of where they had, you know, all of a sudden the Jews started 0.55

00:42:01.580 keeping the money, and that's really what caused, you know, a huge rift. 0.88

00:42:04.800 um so even the romans kind of respected their money handling skills so maybe they are just

00:42:11.400 genetically good at that and that's why i think a lot and i well i think that's true for the right

00:42:16.820 i think that people are different people have different strengths and different weaknesses

00:42:20.860 and i think that jews uh can um can come to the table hear the terms and make a calculation off

00:42:29.260 of the top of their head speaking about jews generally not each and every individual but

00:42:33.460 in a general sense i think jewish people are better looking forward 50 years and seeing if

00:42:38.500 something would be profitable than uh than haitians or frenchmen or germans or like yeah so

00:42:45.660 absolutely i think there's a genetic factor and you know i'm really good friends with a guy by

00:42:49.820 the name of john gross he's an ex-rabbi now he's an attorney he's helped me on legal stuff he's

00:42:54.180 actually been very gracious you know everybody thinks jews are so cheap i am a little bit but

00:42:58.180 my point is he's an orthodox jew and he doesn't agree with the military conscription in israel

00:43:05.160 right he has a lot of heat with it he talks force of it and he likes israel he supports israel so i

00:43:10.320 don't want to you know put john on blast but he has a lot of criticisms of israel and he's an

00:43:14.540 orthodox jew so if he can have criticisms of israel why can't you or me have criticism of

00:43:19.760 israel that's kind of where i get upset is the fact that i'm not a person that hates anybody

00:43:25.660 I don't even hate a Haitian, even though they're trying to eat a chicken in front of me. 0.99

00:43:28.920 You know what I mean? 1.00

00:43:29.640 They're doing something I disagree with.

00:43:31.620 I think that...

00:43:32.660 Chicken would be a step in the right direction. 0.99

00:43:34.860 Well, you know, I'm saying they'll cut a chicken's head off or kill a cat and drink its blood.

00:43:38.440 Yeah, chicken is a step above a cat. 0.97

00:43:41.880 But we should be able to critique Israel. 0.95

00:43:44.300 You know, Israel is a secular country, and they have military that forces people to join. 0.85

00:43:49.240 And I think that that is a form of slavery to make a person go fight in a war. 0.93

00:43:52.980 and then they say that they don't even want the orthodox Jews in the military 0.96

00:43:55.820 because they have to eat kosher and that they're a pain to work with 0.98

00:43:58.820 because they don't want to go kill a bomb at a school. 0.95

00:44:02.440 So, you know, we say, I think we overgeneralize some of our disdain

00:44:10.240 and they say, oh, you're an anti-Semite because you have issues with Israel.

00:44:12.980 No, I'm not an anti-Semite because I have issues with Israel.

00:44:17.020 I think they're a foreign country and we should be able to have an opinion

00:44:20.000 on geopolitics and our foreign affairs.

00:44:22.120 Yes, 100%.

00:44:23.280 What do you think about, I'm curious, what do you think about Tucker Carlson these days?

00:44:28.760 Well, Tucker is my biological stepfather.

00:44:31.280 I love Tucker.

00:44:32.220 And, you know, that's the other thing is they all say Tucker's an anti-Semite.

00:44:35.180 He's not an anti-Semite by any means, no.

00:44:37.720 And, you know, he has some strong critiques of Israel.

00:44:42.180 But this is the thing.

00:44:44.260 Nick has become, you know, very popular.

00:44:46.280 You know, is he to Tucker's level?

00:44:48.300 Almost.

00:44:48.840 He's getting there.

00:44:49.860 But I could maybe understand the argument, oh, Tucker, excuse me.

00:44:54.660 I can kind of understand the argument, oh, they think Nick's an anti-Semite,

00:44:57.720 which I actually kind of don't think he is.

00:44:59.100 But my point is I can kind of understand it because he said more inflammatory statements, right?

00:45:03.580 Tucker has never been recorded saying anything anti, that anti or that inflammatory towards Jewish people.

00:45:11.520 Maybe he has critiqued Israel.

00:45:13.200 So they don't even have concrete proof of him being, quote, unquote, anti-Semitic.

00:45:16.940 So that's what makes me so frustrated.

00:45:18.260 And the fact that Mark Levin and Laura Loomer do these coordinated campaigns, try to cancel them, it shows you that if you're not 100% bought in and supporting Israel, if you're only 20% supporting Israel, then you're considered the biggest anti-Semite in the world.

00:45:33.480 So anybody that actually has half a brain that's paying attention, you can't even reach the threshold of support that they want.

00:45:40.640 So it's turning people away.

00:45:42.420 And because they're so psychotic about Israel, it's actually creating more anti-Semitism than Tucker ever could or Nick ever could.

00:45:50.680 Right.

00:45:51.440 I don't think it was ever about how anti-Semitic, a.k.a. how much a person truly hates Jewish people merely on the basis of them being Jewish people.

00:46:01.980 I don't think it was ever about that.

00:46:03.480 I think what it really is about is not the person's position, but what that person might actually do.

00:46:10.000 What would the outcome be of this person if their opinion was blank about Israel?

00:46:17.360 Or let's say, you know, this is a little closer to home, if their opinion shifted on Israel, how many people would that influence?

00:46:25.460 what what would the the ripple effects be geopolitically when it comes down to policy

00:46:31.880 even and like our nation and how much money we give to israel and all that like um and so that's

00:46:37.780 why i think on the one hand you know nick who i i consider a friend and i've got to have

00:46:43.120 conversations with him and he was a perfect gentleman and very intelligent and he's one of

00:46:48.120 the most articulate guys out there speakers there is and he knows geopolitics i mean yes describing

00:46:54.820 the inner workings of certain missile systems you know and and i'm like i'm just you know sitting

00:47:00.340 there and like okay all right all right all right um it's impressive uh but my point is that like

00:47:05.680 nick has gotten tons and tons of flack i mean they got you know debanked and he can't you know

00:47:09.800 no fly list for a year and you know can't do this and can't do that he still can't i mean he can't

00:47:14.560 get a blue check on twitter yeah elon elon won't even give him the original thing he got canceled

00:47:19.160 for was a cookie joke and listen i people are going to get offended by the holocaust that's a

00:47:23.420 whole other you know ball of worms uh but the fact is is there was movies like the producers

00:47:28.200 where they used to make hitler jokes and have hitler and all kind and there's all kinds of

00:47:32.980 holocaust humor right and then he makes a cookie joke and that was what originally got him canceled

00:47:37.660 right and i remember thinking like that why what are we doing here because uh um what's the guy 0.59

00:47:43.040 from uh gene wilder uh blazing saddles that guy made it was jewish he made tons of jewish jokes

00:47:48.560 So it used to be okay for him to make a Jewish joke, and now it's just socially unacceptable.

00:47:54.300 You're going to get debanked and canceled for making the same joke.

00:47:56.400 So my point is that Nick has gotten a lot of opposition, and there's no denying that.

00:48:01.160 At the same time, and I know there was an attempt a couple of years ago on his life, a random crazy guy.

00:48:07.400 um but my point is that like when i think of the overlords um you know at b uh those who are you

00:48:16.640 know kind of pulling the strings and orchestrating making sure that things stay on track with with

00:48:21.580 the plan um they i think they're able to like their nick scares them they don't like nick

00:48:29.040 they you know they wanted him demonetized and all that kind of stuff but at the same time

00:48:33.000 um it's a tucker this i'm getting back to the statements you made about tucker

00:48:38.540 and i'm kind of kind of working charlie kurt probably a little bit into this this point but

00:48:44.000 tucker's different so like nick has said more inflammatory things although i don't think that

00:48:50.020 he's never been that inflammatory you or me but i don't think he's anti-semitic in terms i don't

00:48:54.240 think that nick hates every single jewish person simply on the basis of them being jewish i know

00:48:59.360 that's not true yeah i know that's not true yeah um nick will say jewish people disproportionately 0.63

00:49:04.760 have had this negative impact through pornography and transgenderism and war and uh those kind of 0.90

00:49:13.280 he'll make those statements but those are factually true i make those statements too that's that's

00:49:17.500 just what it is and i would love it to not be that way and the solution is not to get nick or me or

00:49:22.400 someone else to stop saying it the solution is hey jews uh be good people yeah you know you maybe

00:49:28.780 don't start a porn company the only fans thing that was that became the biggest meme when the

00:49:33.120 only fans died and he was the biggest donator to a pack yeah that's not a great look that doesn't

00:49:39.420 help when you're looking at like one to two percent of the entire country here here in these 0.94

00:49:44.340 united states and only fans just so happens to be owned by a jewish guy and he's also the biggest 0.51

00:49:50.220 donator to a pack it's like those are the moments where people are like say it with me now every

00:49:55.800 single time yeah it seems like that but i will say this and this is you know to give you a little

00:50:01.220 kickback i'm a big conspiracy theorist and that maybe you can tell that already i'm talking about

00:50:05.480 genesis chapter 11 verse 9 switch it but um i like that but there are there is a jewish illuminati

00:50:12.440 probably but there's also probably a catholic illuminati there's probably a black illuminati

00:50:16.540 you know i think there are different factions that are in power and there's not just one puppet

00:50:21.080 master there's multiple puppet masters the black illuminati i think the boulets is what that's 0.91

00:50:25.340 I think they get welfare from the Jewish. 1.00

00:50:27.560 They might. 1.00

00:50:28.720 Well, you know what's so crazy, though?

00:50:30.360 When Kobe Bryant's helicopter crash is what set this whole freaking thing in motion where all of a sudden the pandemic happened.

00:50:38.200 And it's like, do they kill a guy like that to lower our vibration, to make us weaker, to make us sad?

00:50:42.980 And I don't know if that's too woo-woo, but I do think we are vibrational beings.

00:50:49.360 We have energy and that they can lower our energy by using what I call trauma-based mind control. 0.54

00:50:55.340 and i don't think it's just jewish people that use that i think there's other factions of people 0.93

00:51:00.280 in power that want to keep us under constant trauma-based mind control because they use fear

00:51:05.060 as a way to manipulate us and there are plenty of bad people and jews don't have a monopoly on evil 0.92

00:51:10.080 no they wish they did i think i think that it is disproportional um they probably have more power 0.87

00:51:16.360 than a lot of others but that is not to absolve other people like in america it's like well we

00:51:21.540 could have just listened to george washington who told us in his farewell address that we

00:51:25.280 shouldn't be entangled with any foreign nation we shouldn't have any foreign nation that we um

00:51:30.340 uh without without reasonable cause hate or without reasonable cause are beholden to and

00:51:37.360 love and adore you know so um but somewhere along the line um american people um we we gave the farm

00:51:46.400 away so so there's there's a fault um you know to be to be shared but all that be you know back to

00:51:52.740 the you know nick tucker charlie my point is that like nick has gotten a ton of opposition no

00:51:57.800 question because he's sharp he's articulate and um and you know the boy's got motion he's like

00:52:04.040 he's got the white boy's got a little motion and so like he's got a massive following you bring up

00:52:09.760 inspires that is but i was just gonna say tucker hasn't said nearly no the same things but but i

00:52:16.220 think the reason why it's a full court press attack on tucker is it's not it's not this um

00:52:22.960 universal standard it's not objective is what i'm saying it's not an objective moral standard of like

00:52:27.840 this is hateful speech or this is immoral um an immoral posture of a person's heart and we punish

00:52:34.800 it wherever we find it. Justice is blind and we don't discriminate. No, it's not like that at

00:52:41.820 all. It's who's the person? This person might be saying something that's perfectly reasonable.

00:52:47.620 This other person might be saying something that's less reasonable. And yet this guy gets

00:52:51.320 more opposition than that guy. Why? Because what is it? What will the effects? It's not what

00:52:57.280 position do they hold? It's what will they be able to accomplish? What would the effects of

00:53:02.280 this person and so like in the case of tucker the reason why there's a full court press against him

00:53:07.220 i don't think it's because he has objective statements that he's made that are truly hateful

00:53:12.380 universally against all jews because we know for a fact that he hasn't made any statements like that

00:53:16.640 at all and here's the irony i think it's precisely because he hasn't made those statements that

00:53:22.260 there's actually more opposition that's fair because it paints him as defensible reasonable

00:53:28.660 plausible persuasive compelling he's more precise with his arguments yes and and so it's because of

00:53:36.580 that that they're like he he he's gonna be on the you know the top three anti-semites of the year

00:53:43.820 because why because he truly holds an anti-semitic position like he hates every single jew just

00:53:49.520 because they're a jew no um but he is responsible in terms of what he's accomplished what his speech

00:53:56.400 does for turning the hearts of millions and millions of americans away from fidelity to

00:54:03.360 israel and that said so my point is i don't think it's so much the position that you hold

00:54:07.660 but it's um the power you with yes and that said that makes me think of like if if charlie at all

00:54:15.860 was i don't think you know charlie i i think you know and you would know better than me but you

00:54:19.940 you correct me if i'm wrong i'm under the impression that charlie died a zionist uh

00:54:25.580 that he's a Christian. That's a fact, that he supported Israel. But he also has...

00:54:28.620 He's a Christian. He has the biblical understanding of...

00:54:31.760 But he had your typical kind of dispensational, Zionistic, evangelical Christian view of Israel.

00:54:37.860 Judeo-Christian view. 0.78

00:54:38.940 Yes. So I think he was a Christian. He believed Jesus is the Son of God.

00:54:42.020 He was definitely a Christian. There's no argument about that.

00:54:44.260 Yeah, exactly. Rose again, all that. His faith was in Christ and his faith was in Christ alone.

00:54:49.320 I believe he was a Christian. I believe Charlie Kirk did a lot of good. That said, I think that

00:54:53.880 Um, he was shifting, but I don't think he, he truly, you know, fully shifted.

00:54:57.940 I think he still died with kind of your normie dispensational Zionistic evangelical view of 0.78

00:55:03.400 Christianity that, that carves out a special place for Israel.

00:55:06.340 Um, that said that's like Israel in terms of, of it's, it's history.

00:55:12.500 It's kind of like, um, prophetic fulfillment, um, Jewish people as a whole, but in the,

00:55:19.120 The political particulars, I think he absolutely was souring on Bibi Netanyahu.

00:55:25.180 He was souring on Israeli government.

00:55:28.600 I mean, this with all due respect, Charlie was much smarter than you and me, and I know you're a smart guy.

00:55:32.500 So he knew what was going on.

00:55:33.700 He knew.

00:55:34.120 He knew.

00:55:35.060 Charlie's a brilliant person.

00:55:36.300 Here's my point, and I'm not saying that Netanyahu personally shot Charlie or something like that.

00:55:41.940 But what I am saying is, one, the Tyler Robinson thing is a little fishy to me.

00:55:47.540 I'll just leave it at that.

00:55:48.660 But that said, in terms of guys, you got to stop.

00:55:53.520 There's a certain calculus of like, I've got to stop Nick because he's sharp, he's articulate, he has the hearts of young men, and he's saying the quiet part out loud.

00:56:03.460 And so there's a strong motive for stopping Nick.

00:56:08.580 There's another calculus that you could argue is perhaps even stronger with a Tucker type.

00:56:14.200 you know because it's like well but tucker doesn't say some of these things but that actually makes

00:56:18.980 him in some ways more palatable to a wider swath of people but then a charlie because because

00:56:26.160 tucker you know he had kind of the normie talking points on israel that most people in america in

00:56:31.420 the political scene on the right have had yeah and he had the anti-israel i mean the anti-jihadi

00:56:36.720 stuff you know that made him famous but charlie was known for it yeah he was known for it and if

00:56:42.280 charlie soured at all um that would we think of like how many people have soured on israel and if

00:56:50.140 were to track it back to a source nick a lot tucker a lot a lot charlie if he if he hadn't

00:56:58.300 died and he continued again he still thinks israel has a special place and you know but america like

00:57:05.040 but israel is in because i think charlie would have done this israel has a special place but also

00:57:09.780 um this is blatantly um rebellious against god they're hosting the biggest pride event

00:57:15.620 mocking god i know charlie probably would not i don't want to speak for him but i don't think

00:57:19.220 he would really like that and we should not be supporting rebellious nations and um bibi

00:57:25.700 netanyahu is is stirring up strife in the middle east and and making us fight his wars and uh i'm

00:57:32.820 i'm out guys um i still love jews and i said you know but i'm like my point is even though with

00:57:38.140 these three got nick tucker charlie in terms of the position itself it would be like hardest

00:57:42.380 position middle position softest position but in terms of effects that it has on others charlie

00:57:48.460 might have had the most profound effects on on turning americans away from political partnership

00:57:56.140 with israel especially young people and that's one of my biggest complaints to nick is that

00:58:00.860 But Nick did the Goripa War, went after Turning Point because of basically one issue, because of Turning Point's foreign policy.

00:58:09.240 When in reality, and I don't want to speak for Nick, and domestically they probably agreed, Nick and Charlie probably agreed on every domestic issue.

00:58:17.180 And because of one foreign policy issue, it made them just fundamentally, it was a contradiction for them to ever be together.

00:58:26.200 When in reality, they probably weren't that far apart.

00:58:29.040 They probably weren't.

00:58:30.020 and that said though i i understand from charlie's calculus but i'm also far more sympathetic with

00:58:37.320 nick and the reason why is um charlie was gifted and talented and good looking and tall and all

00:58:45.420 these things you know um and and driven and driven he worked hard he was disciplined he was studying

00:58:52.240 he was reading so i'm not saying it was just given to him he worked hard um but charlie had

00:58:57.680 support yeah that's true a lot of support and nick was over there like a voice crying out in

00:59:03.080 the wilderness like the whole deck is stacked against him and um like it yes it got to a point

00:59:10.860 of just like palpable like disgust and hostile hostile position towards one another but um

00:59:18.260 if someone would have just listened to him you know early on i i think a lot of that could have

00:59:23.840 been avoided if somebody just said hey you know what like because there was a time where you know

00:59:28.040 i'm just asking questions um there was a time where nick really was just asking him by the

00:59:33.100 daily wire ben shapiro and them were the ones that kind of discovered nick and he'll tell you that

00:59:37.480 but instead of answering his questions or saying hey you know what actually there's not a good

00:59:41.840 answer to that question you might have a point let's investigate this together because the truth

00:59:45.860 matters most of all instead of that it was like oh uh that's a nice life you got there it'd be a

00:59:51.720 shame if i destroyed it you know so like it's hard for me to like every every ounce of anger

00:59:59.800 that anybody could point out and nick i look at it and i'm like uh-huh yeah that's a little

01:00:04.260 rightfully so yeah i mean nick has been targeted his entire career and and i said that earlier you

01:00:09.960 know it was the just asking questions phase has turned into a cookie joke being the reason that

01:00:14.840 he basically got deplatformed and canceled everywhere and then i just when i when i go

01:00:21.260 back and it's always easy to be a monday morning quarterback and be like oh he should have zigged

01:00:24.840 but i just think that this movement would probably not be so divided right now if there could have

01:00:31.980 been a coalition of the two yes yes i agree and even i don't really even like that nick went after

01:00:38.600 tucker after tucker had him on because tucker took a lot of shrapnel for that and even if they

01:00:43.920 disagree and nick is very smart guy he knows that tucker took a lot of backlash for that

01:00:49.360 and um but nick because he has been targeted because he has gone through a lot of suffering

01:00:55.700 there's a certain point where like if you play the heel long enough and um i don't even think

01:01:03.020 nick's the heel i know he kind of jokes you're the punching bag long enough maybe is a better

01:01:07.040 way to put it yeah where it's just like you're just kind of done you know and so i think like

01:01:12.780 like i thought that too because i like tucker and i like nick yeah and i was like oh yes it's

01:01:18.640 happening it's happening that's what i thought i thought that was gonna be a big you know and i

01:01:22.000 didn't i didn't think like and they're gonna be best friends now you know and uh and run for

01:01:26.100 office you know tucker and nick as vp you know um i i didn't think that but i did you know i i

01:01:32.100 wanted to think like you know this hopefully this doesn't break down within 48 hours i thought it'd

01:01:38.880 be i was a little more hopeful than that but here's the thing i think like yes i'm with you

01:01:43.460 um like nick like just is there any way that tucker's more on your side than not on your side

01:01:52.420 on the flip side though it was like and maybe tucker didn't even mean it i i don't know i i

01:01:59.280 like tucker i wish i wish i could talk to him and and see what he was thinking but um i maybe

01:02:05.620 tucker didn't even maybe tucker thought like well that's his thing that's nick's thing he's an

01:02:09.180 anti-semite but that would just be tucker not just kind of being a little bit out of touch

01:02:14.620 yeah and i think he is sometimes a little bit out of touch tucker's definitely not dialed in

01:02:18.740 because that's not next thing next thing has never been like i'm an anti-semite and i'm proud yeah

01:02:23.300 his thing has been no i'm a truth teller i don't like how many times has like just just you could

01:02:29.280 somebody could formulate a montage of clips and it would be out like i mean it would probably be

01:02:33.480 like days long of nick saying don't hate people don't hate people we don't hate anybody we don't

01:02:39.600 if you hate people on the basis of uh their race then you don't have a place in america first you're

01:02:45.540 not a part of this movement that's what not what we're about um and so i think that like nick

01:02:50.260 he could have overreacted at the same time he probably did but at the same time um i think he

01:02:57.220 was like deeply offended that like i fly out there we get dinner we have a great time you don't you

01:03:03.900 don't press me on your show about this yeah and and you don't press it's one thing not to press

01:03:07.920 me on the show but you also didn't press me at dinner you didn't press me on camera or off and

01:03:12.720 then this throwaway matter of fact line of like nixon anti-semi he he hates jews yeah and i i

01:03:18.420 think like tucker was getting immense pressure and he and he knew he would and he did it anyway

01:03:23.400 So that's like point for Tucker.

01:03:24.780 That's incredible.

01:03:25.660 Well, to be fair, though, I don't even think Tucker thought he was going to get that much backlash.

01:03:28.960 Yeah, he might have been surprised.

01:03:30.300 Because Nick is so popular, I thought, oh, well, I'm going to get some new support,

01:03:35.540 even though Tucker is obviously one of the biggest broadcasters in the game.

01:03:38.560 I think that the backlash to him was a little surprising.

01:03:42.340 That's probably true.

01:03:43.120 Like he knew it was going to be some, but it was overwhelming.

01:03:45.860 And then all of a sudden they just painted him with this anti-Semitic brush.

01:03:49.240 and so that's kind of where i'm on tucker's side of the thing is that he did you know and then it

01:03:55.560 kind of got a little personal then when nick attacks him he called him gay and that's what

01:03:58.700 everybody says and i don't think nick's gay but you know what i mean that's like that's where 0.76

01:04:01.980 that's where all of a sudden nick is going to be like well f tucker and that's where i was like i 0.98

01:04:06.160 wish he didn't get to that level yeah it just sucks it really sucks but what i was going to say

01:04:10.420 like big kind of major principle is um whether it's nick and charlie or nick and tucker or whatever 0.92

01:04:16.180 um or take nick out of it anybody i i think that there is a greater degree of responsibility on

01:04:23.420 the person who is um the person who has more power yeah the person who's more established

01:04:30.560 more that's tucker exactly has more support more palatable more you know i think more um

01:04:37.540 more uh institutional i think that guy if if there is any reconciliation that could be had

01:04:44.340 i think it falls on that guy more than the little guy to to make it and so like in the case of like

01:04:50.920 nick and charlie it's like well you know they were actually maybe not that far apart in a lot

01:04:55.440 of ways and it was just this one issue that you know that that just bubbled up into you know

01:05:01.020 became all these um and i would say yes um but at the same time i would say charlie charlie had to

01:05:06.560 have known in the same way that shapiro has admitted he he knew all along he was yeah i know

01:05:10.580 who nick is yeah i know who nick yeah i've been watching he discovered him yeah yeah exactly so

01:05:14.940 like all these guys knew they ignored but they knew and at any point um i know for a fact i know

01:05:23.580 for a fact because i you know i've talked to him nick if nick had gotten the call at any point

01:05:27.940 hey you know what we don't have to record but just let let's i would like to invite you out

01:05:34.660 let's get dinner together and let's just talk about this but he never there was never an olive

01:05:39.660 branch there was never the bigger man being the bigger man yeah of it like never yeah i think

01:05:45.900 you're right but but one thing one point though i do want to make is even though tucker institutionally

01:05:50.900 is bigger than nick everybody in the media business tries to act like oh it's all about

01:05:56.560 the media when in reality it's more about the narrative and the biases and and you know having

01:06:02.180 a um you know politically correct opinion because tucker had the number one show on fox news in the

01:06:07.220 cable uh the cable ratings right and got fired you realize how hard it is to be the number one

01:06:11.780 rated guy no you're right and every media company they're always trying to get the number one show 0.66

01:06:15.540 but then you disney deliberately makes gay movies that they know will will be a net debt negative

01:06:22.020 yeah like no media we forget so you get the number one show and you get fired that is and i know nick's 0.77

01:06:28.860 had it hard but i would argue that is probably one of the worst things you work your butt off you have

01:06:33.760 a monologue that people are just waiting on pins and needles every night to listen to and you get

01:06:37.480 fired because you don't like the ukraine war you think israel is a little too influential influential

01:06:41.060 or the j6 stuff yeah or the january i mean it's just dude he's been he has been targeted just as

01:06:47.580 equally as bad in my opinion to nick i know it wasn't debanked and it wasn't that's absolutely

01:06:52.560 true but um timing makes all the difference um there's a point in your life where it's like

01:06:59.560 okay i was a part of the system and i was you know like i was the golden child yeah um and now

01:07:07.640 it all turned on me but uh it all turned on me after like 30 years of praise you know 30 years

01:07:15.100 of credentials and success it's like like it does suck for tucker i'm not i'm not i i i think that

01:07:21.080 was wicked and wrong what what fox did and what a lot like what trump has done with alex jones

01:07:26.220 yeah that's so all that like so i feel for those guys that said um if you had the biggest show on

01:07:33.880 fox for years biggest show on cable period not just the network but the number one rated cable

01:07:38.480 show and then everyone turns against you um that sucks but uh here's some of the things that you

01:07:43.500 don't have to worry about um how do i feed myself you know like uh you know just daily provision 0.94

01:07:49.880 that like uh nick had to think about like can i eat yeah you know what i mean well that is one

01:07:55.720 other thing though too those guys didn't have to think about that even though nick did get debanked

01:07:59.560 and i know he was really stressed about that nick probably did know that he's always going to be

01:08:02.980 okay financially because he has such big support i mean not as financially but how do you get it

01:08:07.400 though that is true if they take away not just youtube but they take away your stripe being like

01:08:11.820 mom let me use your credit card as an adult it's not a good situation to be in yeah so i'm empathetic

01:08:16.780 to that 100 yeah so i think that that's all i'm saying is i think that's unique and that's not to

01:08:21.300 minimize and say that like everybody has different forms of suffering because it like if you're not

01:08:25.260 careful then it's like saying like well no american can ever you know uh even pray and ask

01:08:30.220 god for help because we have it so good you know and the only people who really um have a hard

01:08:34.680 enough life to ask god for help or ever you know ever say that things are hard is you know people 1.00

01:08:39.100 in sub-saharan africa you know who are eating bugs like so you know so i don't want to be that guy 0.82

01:08:43.680 like tucker's suffering is a real suffering yeah well and and i think but it is still just that we

01:08:48.720 should recognize there are tears well i think it was nick that said this and and other people said

01:08:53.740 you said it on my show suffering is also a good thing because it forges you in the fire and it

01:09:00.660 makes your next obstacle much easier when you know that you have a history of overcoming obstacles

01:09:06.740 so it's kind of like with candace or tucker or with alex jones but alex jones really of all of

01:09:13.900 them has been demonized the most because yes whatever you want to talk about a school shooting

01:09:17.460 this and that i believe in the first amendment i don't care if he said that anything is fake

01:09:21.880 you should be able to say that according to the constitution he was targeted and now has lost his

01:09:25.800 whole livelihood but there is something to be said that the more they attack you the bigger and

01:09:30.800 stronger it makes you that's true but nobody wants to be attacked it's easy for me to say that because

01:09:35.960 i don't like being attacked i've had i've had much less targeted attacks but even when i would get

01:09:40.100 the hit piece article written about me i don't like it and i get hit pieces written about them

01:09:44.140 multiple times a day every day so yes it makes you stronger but there is you know uh it still

01:09:50.560 sucks what's uh here at the end what's um you know you do a show you'll do uh you'll do professional

01:09:57.660 trolling and you know sketches and things like that um you also speak at colleges yes what's 0.86

01:10:02.860 what's the thing that you're most passionate about doing you know this is what i always tell people

01:10:06.980 and they do ask me this is that i started my career i actually worked in reality tv i know

01:10:12.180 that's crazy and i worked for the show cheaters so we catch people cheating on their husbands and

01:10:15.460 wife so i've always wanted to be in entertainment i went to lsu studied communications and um i

01:10:21.080 started at the pandemic i was actually supposed to be the host of cheaters the guy was hosting it

01:10:25.820 his name was clark gable he was the grandson of the famous clark gable from gone with the wind

01:10:29.100 was my best friend i was one of the associate producers he was the host and he had a strong

01:10:34.800 constitution he wouldn't come to the show drunk but after the show he's the type of guy he's the

01:10:38.840 type of guy to go eat lunch at a strip club i don't know if you know this type of guys joel

01:10:41.880 you know because they have free lunch at a strip club you probably don't really know you don't

01:10:44.880 know the type of guys but believe it or not at strip clubs they have free lunches a lot of times

01:10:47.940 they went to get you in there he was the type of guy like hey meet me at the and i hate strip clubs

01:10:51.760 and i'm not saying that to virtue signal i can't stand a strip club i would that's the last place 0.98

01:10:55.900 i want to go not that i don't like naked women but i just it's just so seedy and they're always 0.98

01:10:59.660 trying to get money from you but that's the type of wild animal that that clark was and clark was

01:11:03.660 an awesome guy i miss him so much but he got in a car accident was prescribed pain pills and he

01:11:08.680 lived in california would come to dallas and the reason we filmed in dallas is because we don't

01:11:11.840 have a strict film commission because we were always running in cafes and shooting. Like if

01:11:16.160 you tried to do that in LA or New York, they'd be like, where's your permit? And shut us down.

01:11:19.440 But in Texas, this is just, it was like the wild west when it came to, you know, shooting a reality

01:11:23.820 show. Long story short, had pain pills, ran out of them, went to a dealer, bought some pills that

01:11:29.920 had Fenton on them, took the pill, never woke up in bed with his 19 month old daughter and his wife

01:11:35.680 or fiance at the time. And they said, Alex, you're going to be the next host of the show. And I was

01:11:40.680 kind of going through this like oh this is so sad my friend died but i'm kind of excited for this

01:11:45.300 then when it came to filming the show they said actually we're going to go with a black host the

01:11:50.020 majority of our audience is black we've never had a black host so i kind of lost my job to dei and

01:11:54.060 that kind of triggered me it kind of made me more right wing right and then we're in the first they

01:11:58.180 said but you can stay on as a producer so i stayed on for the first week and we're on a conference

01:12:02.080 call with viacom who distributes the show they own cmt mtv and vh1 huge company they said you know

01:12:08.260 the host name is peter guns he had one song it's called uptown it was a hit song back in the day

01:12:13.820 and they said we want to change his name to peter pankey and i go and i was you know i'm asking

01:12:19.060 because i was supposed to be the host you know they told me i was going to be the host i'm like

01:12:22.140 why his name recognition is not that much as peter guns why are we going to change it to peter

01:12:26.260 pankey and they said well we don't want to glamorize gun violence i was like this is so 0.89

01:12:32.200 stupid and that's when i started my podcast so back to answering your story started a podcast 0.92

01:12:37.020 with one of the cameramen that worked there he's like hey i can set you up and help you and i did 0.99

01:12:41.600 a podcast and you know i got a little bit of motion and not a lot but you know i got 10 000

01:12:46.180 subscribers pretty fast kind of like how you got into it you know how you started to kind of get

01:12:50.100 some success pretty quick um and then the pandemic happens and then i started going to city council

01:12:55.760 meetings speaking earnestly like don't shut us down you know if a mask can't stop a deadly virus

01:13:01.040 you know i say if a pair of levi's can't stop a fart how can a mask stop a deadly virus you know 0.87

01:13:05.040 doing all the but i was serious and i noticed that they were just looking at their phones they 0.63

01:13:08.880 weren't paying attention and then once i started and it was actually charlie that discovered this

01:13:12.960 video that kind of made me blow up my first kind of viral viral video was i went after they passed

01:13:19.520 the heartbeat bill in texas where they outlawed abortion after eight weeks i went to the city

01:13:23.060 council i was like i'm gonna try something new and i wrote this speech about how much i love

01:13:26.480 abortion and how i'm mad about this bill and you know it's the best form of contraception because

01:13:31.720 It works 100% of the time.

01:13:33.000 And it's just a clump of cells, you know, giving all the arguments that the, you know,

01:13:36.140 the pro-choice people give.

01:13:37.760 And it got shared on Charlie's Facebook and they thought it was real and it blew up.

01:13:42.480 And I was like, this is what I need to do.

01:13:44.740 And so with that being said, I started to go speak at the meetings.

01:13:46.900 I started talking about how much I love the vaccine.

01:13:48.920 I started going against the Ukraine war.

01:13:51.120 And I'm not saying this to virtue signal, but I love when people come up to me.

01:13:54.860 I appreciate when people say you're funny or this and that. 0.97

01:13:57.200 Some people say I suck. 0.92

01:13:58.280 I don't appreciate that, but that's fair. 0.99

01:13:59.580 My point is when people tell me that I went and spoke at a meeting because I saw your video

01:14:04.320 because I want more people to go and call out politicians

01:14:08.100 they have such fragile egos that

01:14:10.400 even going back it didn't get a bunch of views when I was getting mad at them

01:14:14.620 it did have an effect and now I've created

01:14:17.640 I would say kind of a small army of people that don't just go there and troll people

01:14:21.680 but some people are speaking you know serious about this subject

01:14:24.500 but the more people that I can get and encourage to go actually go to public meetings and call out

01:14:28.900 they're politicians because with the pandemic we learn sometimes it's your local jurisdiction that

01:14:33.720 matters more than the federal election so that's how i think that i will actually change the culture

01:14:38.720 that we're living in is by encouraging and motivating more people to go speak out and call

01:14:43.860 out you know the hypocrisy from these politicians so that's that's kind of my main goals i and

01:14:48.780 i've thought about like creating not a class because i know people that's kind of all about

01:14:54.700 money but i i do that's kind of my next goal is i want to kind of create i don't know what it is

01:15:00.060 but but i a way that will teach people how they can go speak at a meeting because a lot of people

01:15:04.760 might not know how easy it is to just go sign up they think that they have to be invited there

01:15:08.420 they think that there's some sort of a lot of red tape when there's really not so i want to

01:15:13.420 motivate more people because it changed my life and i think a lot of people's lives can change

01:15:17.020 and you see in chicago where the black people are speaking out against all the social services to

01:15:21.440 the immigrants and that's totally changed the culture there so believe it or not we hold all

01:15:25.740 the power we like to think that oh the politicians have all the power we outnumber the cops we

01:15:29.920 outnumber the politicians and if we actually speak against the tyranny that we're under

01:15:34.500 changes can happen and so i just want to give i want to motivate people to realize that they're

01:15:40.300 more powerful than they think and that we need to go call out uh the hypocrisy and so that's kind

01:15:45.400 of what motivates me and makes me feel the best is when people come up to me and say alex i saw 0.97

01:15:49.460 your stupid video and i went and i spoke at a meeting and that makes me feel good about everything 0.89

01:15:53.700 that i do more than the debate more than you know publicly speaking or even doing a podcast 0.99

01:15:57.620 i love motivating people to go out there and actually kind of get involved yeah love it

01:16:04.180 that's really good yeah thanks for coming on the show hey it's a pleasure we talked about a lot of

01:16:08.240 subjects i feel like we learned a little bit at the beginning and i feel like i taught you some

01:16:12.040 stuff so now i feel good joel so i feel good about myself pat myself on the butt it was great thanks

01:16:17.200 Thank you, Joel.

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The NXR Podcast - May 06, 2026

THE SPECIAL - Hell Is Inside the Earth w⧸Alex Stein

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