00:00:27.780So with evil, which just put a D on the word, it's devil, but with evil never being more obvious in our world, if you're not willing to do the bidding of the evil for whatever reasons that seduce you in, you're naturally going to go into the opposite direction of evil.
00:02:36.760But now I want to talk about religion because you, you know, you were always a fairly free
00:02:43.600thinking individual, but, and maybe spiritually minded, but you wouldn't have to describe
00:02:50.980yourself as being overtly Christian 10 years ago. Yeah, I would have probably tried to talk someone
00:02:57.900out of describing me that way. I would have like, oh, that's kind of dogmatics. I'm not a Christian.
00:03:05.580Right. Yeah, that's changed. But that's changed. So can you talk to us about that change?
00:03:09.980Yeah. Give you a little bit of context to frame the change. I was raised, I like to say I was
00:03:17.920raised pretend catholic so my mom's many such cases my mom's whole side you know very catholic
00:03:25.980however growing up we we never went to church unless my grandfather on my mom's side was going
00:03:33.700to be around then we'd pretend we'd go to church and it was pretend catholic my dad was and still
00:03:41.120is an atheist. And I, I value that. Like, to me, there's just like this, wow, I kind of learning to
00:03:50.180think for myself, understand what my dad thinks, what my mom thinks. But growing up, even though
00:03:55.940we did the, I did the first communion kind of thing, it was just going through the motions as
00:04:01.260a kid. None of any religion I experienced made any kind of sense to me, you know, all the details,
00:04:09.280like it didn't feel meaningful whatsoever. And then in my young adulthood, you know,
00:04:15.700starting when I was 18, started to get introduced to some books that were in the category of
00:04:22.060new age, uh, spirituality. And over a decade, I went pretty deep into that. And, uh, I values
00:04:31.840a lot of what I learned, just sort of taking my mind, my perspective of life and playing with it,
00:04:41.400experimenting with it, an exercise of thinking for myself, even though there's plenty of dogma
00:04:46.880and negatives in that world, very much valued what I was exposed to. And then fast forward,
00:04:55.760you know, while thinking people who are religious are just dogmatic. They're not thinking for
00:05:05.320themselves. They were just born into it. That doesn't make sense to me. But then in starting
00:05:12.8202020 with what happened with, I think evil never being more obvious in our world, something0.99
00:05:20.880shifted inside of me where I could honestly say I accidentally got more Christian, right? I never0.94
00:05:29.160woke up one day and said, I'm going to be a Christian. I'm going to intentionally be devoted
00:05:35.980to this. Uh, it's more intentional now, but the accidental part was, I like to use this analogy.
00:05:43.360If someone walks into this room with really bad body odor, you're naturally going to be
00:05:50.560leaning in the opposite direction. So with evil, which just put a D on the word, it's devil,
00:05:58.520but with evil never being more obvious in our world, if you're not willing to do the bidding
00:06:04.720of the evil for whatever reasons that seduce you in, you're naturally going to go into the
00:06:11.740opposite direction of evil. You're just, let's move away. And what's in that opposite direction
00:06:19.240is God. And combining that with that same time I found out I'm going to be a father,
00:06:27.360and that wakes up so much inside of me. We talked about in the first episode other things that woke
00:06:34.520up inside of me, but the world just, I was seeing it through a very different lens, now the father
00:06:42.360lens. And Christian values, Christianity, it's like I was seeing it for the first time. It just
00:06:51.580made sense to me. And to this day, I won't pretend to be a perfect Christian. Far from it. I won't
00:07:01.080pretend to be the most practiced Christian. Yet, I will say I'm a Christian. Just becoming a father,
00:07:11.040seeing evil. It just, wow, without even trying, it's like hero's journey kind of came back home
00:07:20.020to it. And lastly, I'll share, you know, over, yeah, I'm not touring anymore, but I'd been
00:07:27.980touring the country very regularly doing standup comedy. And after comedy shows, I'd have these
00:07:34.560VIP meet and greet, Q&A conversation discussions, and I was really intrigued to learn I'm not the
00:07:43.440only one that happened to, of getting accidentally more Christian. So many people would share their
00:07:50.740stories with me where they found Christianity, they found Christ without trying, of course,
00:07:58.820like eventually apply some effort that's probably a good thing but it it turns out i probably wasn't
00:08:05.420the only one with this natural response to seeing evil and just like really being astonished like
00:08:14.040there is more evil in the world than i could have imagined and this is just the evil i'm seeing
00:08:20.620Right. There's so much more that you don't see. And like humans, people harbor evil without knowing it. So glad to say a lot of people have shared they had a similar sort of push into the field of being a newfound Christian since what started in COVID.
00:08:45.880And I think the evil, the patterns of evil we saw in COVID, even though COVID's quote-unquote over, they never announced it's over.0.76
00:08:55.780But, you know, those patterns of evil, I think to this day, in 2026, they're only getting bigger and more intense.
00:09:06.240Yes. Yeah, it's been said that one of the most persuasive proofs of God is the existence of a devil.
00:09:15.280yeah and i i think your story is um it's indicative of a positive epidemic
00:09:24.280where so many people were overcome uh where they they couldn't look away and they couldn't and it
00:09:32.700couldn't be not only could you not look away you couldn't explain it away there was no because it
00:09:38.160wasn't just the science or a logical conclusion it's like yeah but i can understand like there
00:09:44.480was no rhyme or reason to be able to explain why so many people lockstep would do something
00:09:50.260that was so directly correlated to the country's harm and to the harm of children you know some
00:09:58.200of the most innocent in society you know that like why we would why we would take up voluntarily
00:10:07.400certain policies that we knew we knew would uh set back um the next generation by years that
00:10:16.500they wouldn't um they would develop speech impediments because they couldn't see their
00:10:21.200mother and father speaking to them with their lips moving because of masks where uh they were
00:10:25.400going to be out of school for a year or for two years and wouldn't learn how to read and like
00:10:29.440and it was like the most visible um it was the most visible sign of um of the older generation
00:10:37.100You always think instinctively that fathers and mothers would sacrifice for sons and daughters, you know, and the grandfathers and grandmothers would sacrifice for their children and especially even more so their grandchildren.
00:10:56.060It was 75-year-olds saying, but I've got to be able to squeak out five more cruises, you know, even if it means that my grandchildren can't speak or read or have any hope of a job or an economy left to speak of.
00:11:17.300Screw them, you know, and the bumper stickers.
00:11:20.040I mean, it sounds like hyperbole, like it's a joke.
00:11:22.540But literally, still to this day, I'll drive in from time to time.
00:11:26.060see a bumper sticker on a car on the highway that says, I'm spending my children's inheritance,
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00:12:52.200feel good about feeding to your family i thank god for the boomers because uh the boomers prove0.52
00:12:59.800the existence of a devil yeah that caused millennials and gen z and alpha to believe0.87
00:13:06.440in the existence of a god and perhaps that's all the the greatest contribution that the boomers
00:13:11.080make throughout their lifetime is is proving that the devil is real so that younger generations
00:13:16.100might uh might run to god as a refuge but that happened and so many people it was so obvious
00:13:24.620they couldn't look away they couldn't explain it away and they're like this is not normal human
00:13:29.800behavior because there are vikings and nordic throughout all of human history there have been
00:13:34.320plenty of pagan people that were not christian but but it was still normative that men go off
00:13:40.320and fight in order to to defend and preserve their posterity yeah right pagans do that
00:13:48.380the the the non-christian and and jesus says this in the bible he says um which of you if your son
00:13:56.300asked for a loaf of bread would give him a stone or if he asked for a fish would give him a scorpion
00:14:01.040if you then being evil know how to give good gifts to your children how much more will your heavenly
00:14:07.360father give good gifts the gift of his holy spirit to those who ask and so like that's that's a
00:14:13.120biblical principle that jesus is making an argument from the lesser to the greater he's saying pagans
00:14:18.220are still decent parents right we find this in the animal kingdom right just on raw instinct0.94
00:14:25.300without rationale or a conscience or a sense of morals right you we know that even dumb animals0.95
00:14:32.640like that's my baby i love my baby there's enough god in them right there's some kind of grace0.94
00:14:39.460this this common grace undergirding just the whole system of creation and to see human beings
00:14:46.020completely just literally just throw that out and and do the exact reverse like everybody has to
00:14:55.560i don't care if it sets you behind five years academically i don't care if it puts millennials
00:15:01.480just beginning their career puts them behind for life financially, their ability to save towards
00:15:07.000retirement. I don't care if it hurts my kids. I don't care if it hurts my grandchildren. I don't
00:15:12.700care. Everyone will cater to me and my sensibilities and my facade, not even objectively,
00:15:22.600but the subjective feelings of safety. I have to be, and it's like, shoot, I don't know if I
00:15:30.860believed in the devil before, but I do now. There it is. I think the easiest way to recognize
00:15:38.320godless people, and in a second I'll make it about other people, but let's be real and take
00:15:46.260some ownership. It's also the easiest way to recognize when we are living in a godless moment,
00:15:52.560it's when us or we see other people making their lives just about them and their own gratification.
00:16:00.360that that will usually, if not always, have an expense as a negative impact of those on those
00:16:07.360around them could be their children, future generations. But it's easy to see in the quote
00:16:13.660unquote elites, the the Bill Gates is the Fauci's, the Netanyahu's, the Ted Cruz's, the Lindsey
00:16:21.840Graham's, these people that here's their agenda. And their agenda is nothing more than to gratify
00:16:29.040their own insatiable appetite for power. And you look at the consequences, the lives that are
00:16:36.660destroyed, and it's easy to see in these huge examples of like, well, okay, they shot another
00:16:43.940school full of children and killed more children in Gaza. And look at these videos that Israel is0.81
00:16:50.680trying to suppressing this godlessness because they have this powerful, this agenda for more0.79
00:16:57.240power. It's all about me, me, me. Whereas I think on the flip side, recognizing people and when it's
00:17:06.300us in the moment living with God, we're not making it about ourselves. We're making it about others.
00:17:14.660And what I try to do, again, far from perfect. I think I do it some of the time. I have a heck
00:17:23.080of a lot more I can do. But when I try to live by this sort of mantra, my life isn't for me.
00:17:31.240My life is to be in service to those around me, and that's ultimately to be in service of God.
00:17:37.620So before, I'd scan my day, and it's all about what's going to make me feel good.
00:17:45.560egotistically whatever it's just all about me and hopefully that has some benefit or i'm seen
00:17:53.380in a good light and now i can look at my day and be like you know there's not one thing on my
00:18:00.160calendar and my duties that i'm just like yes this is this i'm stoked on this it's more like
00:18:09.240the oh this is everything i should be doing and i i think the more we do that my experience is
00:18:17.960the more i do that the more what i want kind of re or reorients yes because yeah just gratifying
00:18:26.640myself that's a good dopamine hit and then it's empty yes i just need more and more of that
00:18:37.400but when i'm making my life about other people to the best i can it can often suck in the moment
00:18:46.020yeah it can be painful it can be a grind it can be frustrating it can be just not gratifying
00:18:53.900but then the moments after the next day a month later looking back it's like
00:19:01.300i feel pretty fulfilled like not gratified but something far greater yes i feel fulfilled
00:19:13.040therefore what i want starts to reorient from what i want to what wants to live through me
00:19:21.420what i want is to be more of service of what's needed so i can benefit other people and i think
00:19:28.960that's ultimately nurturing God's creation. Nobody ever tells the power hungry, hey,
00:19:36.080God's creation doesn't stop and end with you. So I think, long story short, I find the more I can
00:19:44.280orient myself to that feeling of fulfillment, and yes, that's actually pleasurable long-term,
00:19:51.060but it usually doesn't have that short-term pleasure. I find that's like a practical mindset
00:19:57.660that that helps me hopefully uh serve god rather than living in a a godless way yeah well said so
00:20:09.500one of my questions is so seeing the evil in the world and thinking man this is more than just
00:20:15.620natural human behavior like it's it can't be explained it's as though there actually is
00:20:20.680there's a physical reality certainly we could see it with our eyes but it seems as though it's more
00:20:26.700than merely that there's some kind of spiritual reality that's that's moving and shaking and
00:20:31.720shaping um these kinds of behaviors because they don't make logical sense there's something more
00:20:37.100pernicious going on attributing that to some kind of spiritual entity that is evil a devil type
00:20:43.140figure than that you know think well if the devil is real then then maybe god is too so all that
00:20:48.700makes total sense and i've heard that testimony time and time again especially during that year
00:20:53.1802020 and a few of the corresponding years, kind of the high watermark of the left where things
00:20:58.480we forget. It feels like it was a lifetime ago. It was so recent. But it's almost like we want
00:21:04.020to forget because it was so terrible. But the high watermark of the left where it was just,
00:21:11.000like, it was really dark. It was a really dark time. But that pushed a lot of people into the
00:21:16.720light. And so that explanation, I've heard that testimony from several individuals. It makes total
00:21:21.400sense. I believe it. I've witnessed it. I've seen it with my own eyes, people coming to church,
00:21:26.100that same kind of story. Here's my follow-up question that I ask everybody who has that
00:21:30.900similar testimony, so I'll ask you as well. That experience certainly, I think, objectively pushes
00:21:37.460someone into the belief of devil and God, but doesn't necessarily require someone to embrace
00:21:46.840the truth of christianity specifically yeah so why christianity yeah that's a good question
00:21:55.900um part of that conveniently could be the culture i live in correct here in the u.s
00:22:03.920we're not in zimbabwe right i don't know what religions are mostly christian but but i hear
00:22:10.240if we're in some muslim nation or something yeah right so it would be a different story and i don't
00:22:14.840know what my answer would be there, but I can say being blessed to live in still the greatest
00:22:23.740country on earth in spite of all of our problems. This is, I guess, by law, not a Christian nation1.00
00:22:32.440yet being real. It's a Christian nation. So here I am. And one of the questions I had to ask my0.88
00:22:41.700friend um still speaking to why christianity he and his father are um just great christians i love
00:22:51.420talking with them and one of the things i asked them because it never made sense to me before is
00:22:56.940like why why jesus like i believe this story but as a christian why do you worship jesus
00:23:05.780and not just God. Like, no disrespect kind of seems like that's the middleman. What's the deal?
00:23:13.700And just in kindergarten terms, they explained it, probably because they knew who they were
00:23:18.880dealing with. They said, well, because Jesus was a human and he was God incarnated as a human,
00:23:26.760therefore jesus is relatable yes as opposed to try to relate to infinity right it's it's just a
00:23:36.580much harder thing to grasp so looking at jesus the human he's very relatable you can see how this
00:23:45.920human lived what this human taught understand this human died for you which is the ultimate
00:23:54.020sacrifice talk about parents that would do anything for their children versus parents
00:23:59.240throw their children under the bus and and that clicked for me it's like that that makes sense
00:24:06.520why jesus why jesus matters i know jesus matters but it made sense of like why jesus can matter
00:24:16.080and should matter to me in my spiritual religious practice well said um i love how you said that
00:24:23.720part of it, so you kind of gave two answers, but the first piece was, okay, so why these things
00:24:30.160that happened providentially, you know, forced me to believe that there's some kind of religious
00:24:35.860reality. Religion. Sold me on religion. Not just spirituality, but some kind of religion. But why
00:24:42.460this religion? Well, part of it is because I'm here in America. And I actually think that that
00:24:47.100is a great argument. I've done a lot of videos on this because in the church world, which is
00:24:55.360like any religion, sadly, or like any political party or anything ever, there's a sliding scale,
00:25:04.700there's a spectrum, there's factions, and everybody has their own isolated opinion and
00:25:11.680disagreements and all that kind of stuff. So Christians, shocker, disagree with each other.0.88
00:25:17.100But, in my little neck of the woods, within the broader Christian scope, so I've been in the Reformed tradition.0.99
00:25:30.700So, that would be like, basically like your original Protestants.
00:25:35.940So, like Martin Luther and John Calvin, some of these guys who initially came out of it.
00:25:42.320now protestants devolved more and more and more and more to where like now it's like what does it
00:25:47.700mean to be protestant well like 90 of the time it means to be a zionist you know like you know
00:25:53.960what i mean you walk in you might see a cross but you'll definitely see an israeli flag you know
00:25:58.020like which is a bummer um but um but some of the more old school protestants are like no i
00:26:05.360i don't actually want to do the mega church thing and the fog machines and the laser lights and and
00:26:10.600the Zionist rallies for Israel and blah, blah, blah. But no, I love Catholics, but I do disagree
00:26:19.920with some of these things. And I think some of the original reformers, maybe they weren't right
00:26:25.820about everything, but I think they had some legitimate criticisms. And that's kind of where
00:26:29.580I am. So that's kind of where I am. In that neck of the woods, in the larger Christian scope,
00:26:35.420one of the big arguments in a mural debate over the last few years was over, and I thought the0.98
00:26:44.160whole thing was stupid, and I said so multiple times, got myself in a bit of trouble, but0.96
00:26:49.860the whole debate was over whether or not Christian culture in America at large was a positive or1.00
00:26:56.820negative, and there was a whole lot of guys in my camp saying, well, it's really a negative because
00:27:02.220really you want people you actually kind of want um you want this perfect religious neutrality
00:27:09.080like the absence of religion and if you have a godless culture and a godless country and a
00:27:14.800godless state that's actually really really good because then it's not going to influence people
00:27:19.680so you won't have just cultural christians but um if you ever get a christian you'll probably get a
00:27:25.420lot less of them but if you ever get one they'll really mean it you know and they'll be genuine
00:27:29.060and this that and the other and i understand the argument on its face i i understand it i don't
00:27:33.460think it's a stupid argument i just vehemently disagree um but but then there's there's all
00:27:39.540these cases of um i forget who it was it might have been richard dawkins or stephen hawkins0.99
00:27:45.240hawkins one of the hawkins dawkins one of those known atheists yeah yeah that's the islander
00:27:51.300atheist right yeah exactly it was one of those renowned atheist guys and he had like uh one of
00:27:57.240his lead henchmen you know like one of his um premier assistants who would be you know on on
00:28:02.180the show with him or helping him write a book or something like that um doing lectures and stuff
00:28:07.120one of his main guys um he in 2020 because of covid was like i'm getting out of dodge you know
00:28:15.640like they were in a deep blue city in a blue state you know all that kind of stuff with the most
00:28:19.460stringent lockdowns and and most ridiculous tyrannical policies he was like forget that
00:28:26.040So for just, for personal liberty's sake, nothing religious, but just for his own liberty and sanity, he's like, I'm going to a place that has the least of these draconian lockdowns, period, which just so happened to be, you know, a small podunk town in the deep red state, you know, and you know how that goes.
00:28:46.220so he he did that and then again it wasn't really religion guiding him but he and his wife were like
00:28:52.700after they've been there for a few months six months or whatever you know and he gave this
00:28:56.840whole story his personal testimony they just they were yeah we love our town and we've got a lot of
00:29:02.480freedom we've got some land and we live in the good life but we're kind of lonely you know and
00:29:07.240they're like where do people go in this town to make friends well in that town you go to church
00:29:12.520you know that's that's what you do it's a older way of life and in that particular town you know
00:29:18.480hicks from the sticks uh salt of the earth um blue collar like really just like the sweetest people
00:29:23.840on god's green earth you know they don't just go to church in a town like that you go to a cowboy
00:29:29.600church i don't know if you've ever heard of it cowboy church is just like um it's it's a subset
00:29:36.320of evangelical churches where people like it's exactly what it sounds like people wear the
00:29:42.500cowboy hats and their boots and spurs, might even ride their horse to church, and they're just
00:29:47.420southern cowboys, you know. But theologically, it's not like they're preaching the gospel of
00:29:53.240cowboys. Theologically, it's a Christian church that preaches the gospel of Jesus Christ
00:29:57.080with a cowboy aesthetic, right? So it's more so just the style, not so much the beliefs.
00:30:02.840So they go to the local cowboy church, literally just to make friends, just so that they're not
00:30:10.020lonely and but in that they hear the gospel and they hear it again and they hear it again and lo
00:30:17.220and behold shocker uh eventually they're like yeah i think we believe that and they become christians
00:30:22.660and so my whole point is that um i actually think that's a really good argument you know so one of
00:30:29.320the reasons i became a christian so i became wise to spiritual realities and religious realities
00:30:54.060The predominant cultural religion in America is Christianity.0.99
00:30:58.040And when I began to ask some of these, when I came of age and the SHIT hit the fan for0.99
00:31:04.940me, and I asked those existential questions, it was that programming, that background, that culture0.98
00:31:13.400that was most available. It was there. It was there. And that's why I actually think that's
00:31:19.560a really good argument. That's why I advocate strongly for the fact that America, even though
00:31:26.920so much of it has been eroded, but whatever we can keep intact of America having a cultural
00:31:34.580christianity even if it doesn't mean true christianity for the majority of people just
00:31:41.000to have the cultural bedrock and pieces the handles being present so that for each person
00:31:46.660when they do have those tests of faith when they do have my my kid just died yeah or this disaster
00:31:55.540just happened um and and the questions are there on the forefront of their mind that the most
00:32:00.640prevalent nearby answer like even in the architecture the way that towns were designed
00:32:07.460designed originally in our country was what do you put at the center of the town well a courthouse
00:32:13.260and a church how do you build it well it has a bell tower and a steeple why so that wherever i
00:32:20.120am in the town i can see i can physically see and locate the church so that when something happens
00:32:26.660i know where to run yeah and i think that that's like actually beautiful and you can be0.94
00:32:34.000intellectual and sophisticated and mock it as primitive or stupid or like and uh i think it's0.54
00:32:40.220great i think it's really great that people in this country when all of a sudden they're asking0.95
00:32:46.880the deepest questions and they feel as though they have no hope there's this this underlining
00:32:53.680culture of Christianity built into the fabric of every piece of our society that points towards
00:33:01.400this. So if I'm thinking there must be a God, my first thought is it's probably Jesus and not
00:33:08.900Buddha. And so I'm going to try that first. And I thank God for that. And the picture you paint,
00:33:15.940it's very different than a tyrannical imposing of Christianity on Americans where it's like,0.98
00:33:23.680you go to this church or we're cutting your heads off. So, what I hear you describe is something0.81
00:33:30.480far more supportive than that. I know for me, one of my objections I had to work through was
00:33:41.260It's unfortunately seen in some churches the same sort of corruption that's just power-hungry, child sex scandals, same thing we hear about in the government, all these other power-hungry entities, hearing about those in churches.
00:34:06.500so that was like a bit of like with the catholicism it's like god help us with that
00:34:14.080but being able to one acknowledge like this happens so like isn't it all like a bad thing
00:34:22.120but understanding no like first off call corruption and evil out no matter where it's at
00:34:30.360Even if it's a guy wearing a robe, even if it's in a church, those need to be called out because the devil masquerades as an angel in disguise.
00:34:39.380Like, I think the devil's ultimate goal is to kill God.
00:34:43.960And I don't think the devil can actually do that, but what he can do is kill our receptivity to God.
00:34:52.200And a great way to do that, the devil might be evil, it's probably pretty intelligent, though, is to get people to worship the devil while thinking they're worshiping God.
00:35:05.320So, of course, it makes sense that the devil would infect some churches.
00:35:12.900That doesn't mean the religion's infected.
00:35:19.200And to me, it's similar to Mark Twain's quote, the wisdom he points to with a quote where he says, a patriot is someone who supports their country all the time and their government when they deserve it.
00:35:33.620And looking at the churches, fairly literally, but very metaphorically, the government in this analogy and understanding like, yeah, the religion and the churches, they're separate and we all want a good government.
00:35:52.700And there's good governments out there when it comes, I don't know about literal governments, but with churches, yes.
00:35:59.860So, I had to work through that objection of, first off, it's okay to call corruption in a church.
00:36:28.120Um, yeah, separating the institution as we find it today, it's modern expression from the actual
00:36:36.780beliefs, the theology, the doctrine, the religion itself. Um, because if, if the church
00:36:44.000is synonymous, like one-to-one ratio with Christianity itself, then, um,
00:36:52.580that's kind of depressing. It is. I'll tell you something that
00:36:57.120pisses me off and it needs to be called out so i call it out but like have you seen any of these
00:37:03.380clips of president trump's white house religious advisor paula white paula white is um i mean she0.93
00:37:11.380is objectively like theologically speaking she's objectively a heretic yeah she like there were
00:37:17.140times i'm not saying this should happen but there were times within christian history that she would
00:37:22.380she would be burned at the stake yeah she is she's a heretic i'd believe that and that might be the
00:37:31.480devil masquerading as an angel in disguise i mean i've seen clips where she's doing kind of like an0.95
00:37:38.400infomercial on social media she's saying you send in a thousand dollars what you get in return is
00:37:44.340i send you seven prayers and it's like yeah i don't i don't even think you're praying for me
00:37:52.020And if you are, it's motivated by the wrong reasons as she's on the pulpit talking about, God told me I need a new private jet because that's going to serve God more.
00:38:01.620It's like, well, what if you were honest and said, I want a private jet.
00:38:06.880I'm going to pressure you people here to give me your money because I want that private jet.
00:38:12.460It would be less corrupt because it would at least be honest.
00:38:19.480Yeah, at that point, I mean, that's, see, that's the irony is like, you know, and Catholics aren't doing this today, but at the time, one of the big, you know, things was indulgences.
00:38:30.360so like tetzel was a priest catholic priest that was going around he you know there were a few of
00:38:35.660them but he was probably the most infamous going around um soliciting indulgences you know monetary
00:38:43.940payment in order to get people people's loved ones who had passed away out of purgatory you know so
00:38:50.700this interim place between heaven and hell where they had to you know jesus paid for your sin but
00:38:56.380not really, or at least not completely. There's still an overhang of sin that you have to absolve
00:39:04.220yourself, and you're going to do so by being purified in purgatory, absolved from your sin
00:39:09.520as you suffer there. And you have a great aunt, and you have a grandma, and you have a mother,
00:39:14.260and you have maybe a child who passed away. And he was literally preaching sermons, this Catholic
00:39:20.880priests saying can you hear their screams can you hear you know that the clawing of your loved ones
00:39:27.640screaming out in agony and if you would just you know give some money and these and these are the0.60
00:39:33.500poorest of poor people these are peasants and so they were making the decision will i feed my kids0.76
00:39:38.240tonight or will i get you know great aunt sally out of torment you know and that's the choice set0.94
00:39:43.480before him and so it's on that backdrop that like martin luther is like yeah and then you know fast
00:39:50.240forward right because it's not like protestants i'm not going to say the protestants haven't made
00:39:55.160their own mistakes because they absolutely have uh but the this stark irony is that now
00:40:00.660um protestants are far more notorious commonly known for um emotionally
00:40:09.640manipulative sermons to get people's cash yeah than catholics and that was one of the main
00:40:18.340things that protestants even came into existence because of was that critique and here we are so0.57
00:40:25.380evil can take all shapes forms and sizes absolutely a hundred percent but i think being able to
00:40:32.700bifurcate between um the person the man and the message right the um the religion and the religious
00:40:41.800institution yeah you know the difference between the two because if it was just that going back
00:40:47.760to covid the very thing that woke so many people up um here's the sad reality the most churches
00:40:57.060were hand in glove i mean working with the government to push the vax on their congregants
00:41:05.480um like so i was in california at the time now our church was meeting in a public school
00:41:11.120and um because we didn't have a building and we were of course in california we were
00:41:17.240in an instant kicked out and so we couldn't meet there and i remember calling other pastor friends
00:41:22.840and stuff that own their own building that they voluntarily they weren't kicked out they shut
00:41:27.300their doors and i'm saying you are not using your church could we maybe use it and them saying no
00:41:31.280because maybe you know we get cooties on on the pews or something like that you know that would
00:41:36.440hang over when they resumed meeting you know like seven years from then um you know but i mean it's
00:41:41.600it sounds funny now but those are literally the conversations that you know that were being had
00:41:45.520and so we couldn't meet um and you know and so it for us we i believe it was either four or five
00:41:53.640weeks i can't remember but we missed four or five sundays um and and because we couldn't meet um
00:42:01.160we couldn't meet but then but then when we could we did but i remember um my one of my first
00:42:09.060thoughts was like this is this is going to be like a a moment in the sovereignty of god him
00:42:15.680setting the stage setting like by um like contrast it's like god is setting the backdrop with like
00:42:23.140this black velvet so that the church in this moment is going to shine like a brilliant diamond
00:42:30.340like you go and purchase a diamond and you know they're not showcasing a diamond by putting it on
00:42:37.040top of like a silver you know page of paper with glitter like no they they want the contrast so
00:42:43.760it's you put this this sparkling diamond on the black velvet so that it shines more brightly
00:42:49.640and so i you know i my one of my first thoughts was this is going to be this moment uh where the
00:42:56.060church is going to be able to kind of for lack of a better phrase strut at stuff you know show off
00:43:02.540and and uh and it did not turns out the church was uh basically just which way is the wind blowing
00:43:10.940so what Fauci what did you say yeah okay we'll do we'll do even more of that you know we're
00:43:16.100gonna make Fauci look like a liberal uh you know like or a moderate I should say and like we're
00:43:20.160gonna and and it was so sad um but it was one of those things like we were talking about in our
00:43:26.340first episode like room to apologize so we we were meeting within five weeks and this was in
00:43:33.260california and at the time you uh gavin newsome new salimi was still saying that you know you
00:43:37.740couldn't even have a drive-in service like you know like a drive-in movie theater where you're
00:43:42.440listening you turn on the radio station to a certain dial and um you couldn't even do that
00:43:47.580you couldn't even be in your car not even getting mind you he says that while he's at the french
00:43:52.160laundry with other people no mass like right rules for the not for me yeah so that was literally the
00:43:58.260law at the time so we we actually held our first church service i believe it was the last sunday
00:44:03.540of april second or last sunday second to last or last sunday of april 2020 and and we were you know
00:44:11.820some people we gave people the freedom to choose some people stayed in their car uh some people
00:44:16.480got out in the grass but no church or institution would let the us use their buildings so this was
00:44:21.660an outside service and simply to make people feel more comfortable because i wanted as many
00:44:26.380of our people to come as possible and obviously there was a sliding scale some people were like
00:44:32.120let's be bold and some people i'm kind of scared um but to accommodate as many people as possible
00:44:38.040um we wore masks now i regret it on this you know but this for the record this was not april
00:44:46.4002021 this was you know we're talking five weeks within lockdowns we're in california context
00:44:52.860matters we're holding allegedly an illegal church service so you know it when you when you paint the
00:45:00.000picture and everybody forgets what it was like in that moment but we were doing something um that
00:45:05.620we were not allowed to do something that at the time really did require uh legitimate courage
00:45:11.740the problem though is that nobody like it wasn't the paparazzi but like our own church members
00:45:18.460took pictures and so there's a picture of me wearing a mask in an outdoor service now nobody
00:45:26.960knows that like that's in california nobody knows that that's april 2020 um but it just
00:45:33.940that picture so still to this day six years later um i'll say something on on the right
00:45:41.320wing side of the equation whether it's something political or cultural or or theological and i
00:45:47.320will still have critics and opponents who will post that picture you know say he's he's not
00:45:54.460really courageous and it's like and so what i've had to do is like you can you know at first i
00:46:00.740remember when this first started happening it's like well actually and you give all the caveats
00:46:06.460and the disclaimers like i just did but eventually i got to a place where i realized you know going
00:46:12.680back to our first episode i realized the easiest answer and probably the best and most compelling
00:46:18.080is just to say yeah i was wrong yeah like i could i could say like well by comparison we were like
00:46:24.640the only church that was even willing to do that you know but really i i can just say yeah like
00:46:30.860comparison doesn't really matter because there's there's virtue and that's the bar yeah universally
00:46:38.720objectively across the board it doesn't matter what everybody else is doing here's the standard
00:46:43.600here's the bar if i had been a bigger man a better man a stronger man then we would have done even
00:46:50.260more did we do more than our counterparts sure but could we have done more objectively period
00:46:57.000yes so these days i just like yeah yeah i was wrong and and that endears people to yourself
00:47:04.860but my point all that going back to the satan masquerading as an angel of light my point is
00:47:09.140just to say um one of the ways that satan masquerades as an angel of light is by making
00:47:15.460what should be angels of light the church satanic yeah we have like it's not just the synagogue of
00:47:22.840satan turns out you know maybe maybe zionists don't have a monopoly on that title there's a0.98
00:47:29.680lot of christian churches that that are giving them a run for their money yeah man i i think
00:47:35.400if you look at actual satanism people who are like yes i'll worship the devil because that
00:47:41.600makes sense to me there's probably less satan in there than in some conniving churches because
00:47:50.440that satan is it's not a very good hiding spot right for the devil most people aren't that
00:47:57.140blatantly psychotic most people have a conscience and maybe they have some room on increase the
00:48:05.540critical thinking increase how much you pay attention to your own heart your gut
00:48:10.140and have the courage to act accordingly. Maybe they have some improvement they could make there,
00:48:15.940but with a conscious, someone, you know, like, cool, worshiping God seems more
00:48:21.120conscious-able than worshiping the devil. So, yeah, it makes sense there would be far more
00:48:27.460devil in some churches. I mean, I've done some reaction videos to these where
00:48:35.840you see inside of a church draped in LGBTQ, the latest flags, and there's just a sociopath0.73
00:48:46.620on the microphone giving a sermon, telling you they're a pastor, telling you that Jesus was0.81
00:48:56.980transgender telling you let your kids lead you yeah if your kid yep do what your kids say be a0.99
00:49:06.740good parent a good leader by obeying your kids they tell you they need to get their genitals cut1.00
00:49:14.380off well five-year-olds know best and one of my daughters um wants to be a horse yeah so you0.97
00:49:21.060should get her horse transition surgery, Joel. Is there anything more satanic than being encouraged
00:49:29.600in the name of God to traumatize your child, literally mutilate your child? Is there anything
00:49:38.320more satanic? I mentioned before what I think the devil's ultimate goal is to kill God.0.99
00:49:46.600mm-hmm i look at you know when my first son was born i watched him come out and i was like there
00:49:56.340is no mystery i know there's a god it was just so visceral this is a droplet of god the the purity
00:50:03.440the innocence of a baby let alone a newborn it was just look like i was looking at god
00:50:11.800then you hear about the most evil things we can imagine stuff in the epstein files
00:50:18.360pizza gate stuff and you'd say why why would they do that to children and babies yeah and
00:50:28.800i don't think it's because they want to torture children and babies i think it's because they0.95
00:50:36.280want to torture and kill God. And these are the purest earthly expressions of God.0.82
00:50:45.620If you can't kill the infinite God. So Satan wants to kill God. You're absolutely right.0.99
00:50:49.160But he knows he can't kill the infinite God. So the next best thing is to kill0.99
00:50:54.100the image of God in his finite creatures. It's almost like, imagine if you're living in Rome
00:51:01.360um in its heyday and there's some terrible draconian emperor uh that you hate so you can
00:51:11.980never get to him you can get to his children right you can get to his children but but it's
00:51:17.920like he's too powerful he has too much defense and militia and soldiers defending him at any
00:51:23.140given moment um you you can't you can't harm him directly but um but he also has his image
00:51:31.160um statues all over the empire um and in the middle of the night just because you hate him
00:51:38.660you can go and deface his image in one of these and i think like god his image isn't in statues
00:51:47.200it's in us and his most untarnished image, children.
00:51:56.080And so to harm and deface the image of God where it's seen most purely
00:52:03.040is perhaps the most direct, compelling proof of a Satan that you can possibly find.
00:52:15.880i i would agree and i also think the all the innocent people in the epstein files which
00:52:24.460apparently is a hundred percent of everybody in the files according to our government you're
00:52:30.080insane if you question that and you're certainly not a trump supporter anymore if you question that
00:52:34.240uh but the uh with with all the i forgot where i was going with that i distracted myself just
00:52:43.480you were saying that innocence um all the people in the epstein files something with children
00:52:48.680probably yeah it doesn't matter no way it doesn't matter it's gonna be a brilliant a brilliant point
00:52:55.320and that's why people have to stay tuned yeah for the next episode where jp comes out of his
00:53:01.680biden cognitive decline ladies and gentlemen but you're it's so funny but it like you know we've
00:53:08.400been saying it for a while now but um it's just crazy that like uh wanting to release the epstein
00:53:15.180files wanting no new war like that that now is being against maga it is yeah it the here's what
00:53:24.380i was gonna say the people enabling the criminals yes innocent criminals and the epstein files where
00:53:30.140they're doing the most godless thing violating children that's enough right then you extrapolate
00:53:37.780that and realize, well, it's the devil actually violating God, for that to be enabled, it should
00:53:47.740be a display of godlessness and Satanism that should make the hair on your arms stand up.
00:53:56.940And I hope it does. And I know it does for you and I and so many people watching this.
00:54:02.400But the fact that those criminals are not, they're not just not prosecuted, they're literally protected by our government.