The NXR Podcast - THE SPECIAL - If It’s Not Hierarchy, It’s Not Christian (w⧸Kangmin Lee)

00:00:00.000 These grandmas, these young girls, these young men who were just going about their day, not disturbing anyone, just trying to do their thing.

00:00:08.200 Now they become subject to such senseless violence and the judicial system does nothing about it.

00:00:14.700 The Asian activists and the pop culture, the media doesn't do anything about it.

00:00:20.120 Why? Because it's racist to call that out.

00:00:23.360 And that is the kind of injustice that we're talking about because there's an inversion of hierarchy.

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00:01:50.300 here we are kongman thanks for coming on the show appreciate it thanks for having me it's

00:02:08.180 good to be back all right good uh so today we want to talk about egalitarianism we want to talk

00:02:15.400 about egalitarianism as it pertains to the sex, sexes, male and female, but also racial

00:02:21.800 egalitarianism and how it's affected politics, nationhood, but especially the church. Go ahead

00:02:28.860 and start us off. I think this is the fundamental issue that Christians need to grapple with.

00:02:35.760 Of course, there's ancient heresies like Gnosticism or Unitarianism, all these things

00:02:40.460 that I think Christians all reject, right?

00:02:43.340 We're moved, we're past that.

00:02:45.620 We believe in our Trinitarian God.

00:02:47.180 We believe in the books of the Bible, the proper ones.

00:02:50.280 And so there's not a lot of contention there.

00:02:54.240 I think a lot of the contention

00:02:55.160 really comes down to egalitarianism,

00:02:57.420 where the erasure of distinctions among peoples,

00:03:02.640 among different peoples.

00:03:04.360 And to say that any sort of distinction

00:03:06.600 and any sort of disparities

00:03:08.340 as a result of these distinctions

00:03:10.360 is evil and it's wrong when in actuality Christianity is not egalitarian it's hierarchical

00:03:18.080 it's right-wing in that sense where Jesus gives us different talents he gives us different

00:03:24.600 abilities he gives us different giftings and so we all know this Christians all know this

00:03:31.320 but then somehow they believe that those different giftings will result in equal results 0.94

00:03:36.220 right among all peoples among individuals and i find that that lie to be so pernicious

00:03:41.540 because it pervades into every sector of society and every part of the church where now they say

00:03:49.740 that if there isn't full equality then there is something inherently evil but christianity

00:03:56.800 traditionally has never taught equality it hasn't and yes equality of value because we are all

00:04:04.100 image bearers of God. Of course, but there are certain people who are treated differently based

00:04:10.140 on their behavior, based on their sins or their crimes. We have proportionate punishments for

00:04:16.580 people based on their crimes. And so when we say equality under the law, equality, yes, these

00:04:23.200 things all sound great, but we have to have a proper Christian understanding of equality. And

00:04:28.640 it's really only equality of value among people because we're all image bearers of God. We have

00:04:33.740 intrinsic value because god made us fearfully and wonderfully but it's hierarchical uh society's

00:04:41.320 hierarchical it's inevitable the church is hierarchical you have the elders the pastors

00:04:45.540 the teaching elders the ruling elders on top and the family's hierarchical god is very clear in

00:04:51.440 scripture society's hierarchical we have to submit to our governing authorities and heaven is

00:04:56.380 hierarchical we will all be rewarded for the work that we do here and so if you're storing up

00:05:02.360 treasures in heaven you will be rewarded lavishly in the life to come but if you do not yes maybe

00:05:08.360 you do make it to through the pearly gates but you won't have as much right the christian who

00:05:13.100 lives comfortably will not have as much as the martyr right first corinthians i believe it's

00:05:17.640 chapter 3 speaks of one who builds with precious jewels and gold and precious metals and one who

00:05:27.020 builds with wood hay stubble but each man's work will be tested by fire and the one who built with

00:05:33.260 temporal things worthless things the wood the hay the stubble um it will all be burnt up and uh and

00:05:40.500 he will suffer great loss the text says although he himself will be saved as one barely escaping

00:05:47.600 flames so there is a biblical precedent and a biblical theology to encompass the individual who

00:05:54.340 he himself is justified and therefore is saved and enters the pearly gates. But his works

00:06:02.580 are burnt up. His ministry was a vain ministry. He himself believed the gospel and was justified,

00:06:12.180 but he built with temporal things. And so each one will receive a reward, each according to his

00:06:20.440 works and so you're right in heaven um everyone will be filled with joy and peace everlasting

00:06:26.560 but even jonathan edwards argued for uh that no one is there's no half full or half empty glasses

00:06:34.100 in heaven all right christ wipes away every tear no one is discontent everyone is filled with joy

00:06:41.200 but edwards argued for uh varying capacities for joy that uh everyone will be full um but some will

00:06:49.360 have a greater capacity for fullness like a larger glass and a smaller glass both full um and that

00:06:57.560 being determined by our works here on earth even if you take the approach it's like well all our

00:07:03.840 our works you know even our sanctified works for uh by the christian the things that we do

00:07:08.500 in faith um you know because romans 14 says that anything that does not proceed from faith is um

00:07:15.200 sin and so you know all of our works are filthy rags yeah that's all of our works apart from

00:07:19.740 christ apart from the sanctifying work of the spirit who purifies the work of a christian but

00:07:25.500 our good works um even if you take the approach that uh whatever heavenly rewards they may merit

00:07:31.980 all those rewards will cast at the feet of jesus fine like even if we go that route um i think that

00:07:37.220 there's a lot of merit to that um but i would rather have more crowns to lay at the feet of

00:07:42.140 jesus than less so even that is a form of a hierarchy one will have more to give to king

00:07:47.500 jesus and one will have less no matter how you slice it heaven has a hierarchy hell has a

00:07:52.420 hierarchy jesus says that uh to one they will be given a light beating to another a severe beating

00:07:58.620 based upon their works he even says to the jewish towns that he was ministering in that rejected

00:08:03.160 him despite all the miraculous signs and wonders he says um woe to you tyre and sidon pronouncing

00:08:09.980 woes on these Jewish cities. For if the miracles that had been performed in you had been performed

00:08:15.200 in Sodom and Gomorrah, they would have repented long ago. To them, we'll receive a light beating

00:08:20.360 to you, a severe beating. So hell is hierarchical. Hell will have those, you know, kind of like 1.00

00:08:25.920 Dante's Inferno. I don't know if it plays out exactly like that, but the raw overarching

00:08:30.260 concept of degrees of torment, I think is biblical just on the basis of the words of Christ alone.

00:08:37.420 so hell has a hierarchy heaven has a hierarchy earth has a hierarchy and uh to deny that is uh

00:08:45.060 is not tolerance or compassion or kindness or humility um it's anti-christian it goes against

00:08:53.000 nature and the god of nature the triune god to be against hierarchy is to be antichrist

00:08:59.640 yeah and there's hierarchy even within the trinity too right so when we careful well yes i don't

00:09:07.120 want to get into like ancient, I tread very fair. Trinitarian doctrine is a touchy subject.

00:09:11.300 Go ahead. I don't want to unpack it all the way because I might say something, someone might

00:09:16.540 accuse me of, but even, you know, the son is equal to the father, but he was still a subordinate to

00:09:21.640 him in his earthly ministry. Yes. Yes. So I want to be very careful, very careful because I know

00:09:28.360 that can get a little dicey there. Yeah. Well, that's one of the, it's a hot topic in the

00:09:33.280 theological Christian world of ESF, eternal subordination or function, EFS, eternal functional

00:09:41.280 subordination. Is the son in glory now seated at the right hand of the father still subjugated to 0.58

00:09:46.860 the father in terms of degrees of authority, in terms of role, not essence, right? He's not of

00:09:53.700 a similar substance, but the same substance sharing in the one divine essence. But does he

00:09:59.100 functionally play a subordinate role to the father, even in glory? And I would argue, no.

00:10:04.980 But in his earthly ministry, because of the second nature, namely the human nature,

00:10:10.420 that in his humanity, he was in full submission and obedience to the father. Absolutely.

00:10:15.100 And then we're also not Nestorian. So, you know, there's a lot of things that we can get into.

00:10:18.280 Or Eutychian. So yeah, there's a lot of stuff. Go ahead.

00:10:20.540 But all that being said, hierarchy will exist regardless, because that is ingrained into who

00:10:26.000 we are as people but so the question isn't hierarchy or whether or not we accept hierarchy

00:10:32.520 what's what's the proper mode of hierarchy right so if you in your pursuit of egalitarianism of

00:10:41.040 vast equality in your pursuit of that you will instate a new hierarchy but an inverted one

00:10:48.680 that's in a perverse one that's a perverted one and so that's what we see today where uh yeah it's 0.88

00:10:54.740 not equality of women it's the superiority it's it's the supremacy of women and that's what 1.00

00:10:59.680 feminism is they they mask it under equality but they just want to be superior and they want to 1.00

00:11:05.300 rule over men and so there's that you see racial hierarchies too right where there's preferential 1.00

00:11:11.960 treatment towards certain racial minorities depending on their perceived amount of victimhood

00:11:18.340 past grievances all that stuff and so there are these new forms of hierarchy that emerge

00:11:25.740 in the pursuit of egalitarianism but they're manufactured they're manipulated forms of

00:11:31.320 hierarchy so they have to be propped up by um injustice so that's the idea of equal in in two

00:11:38.860 facets one um innate dignity and value in the sight of god image bearers as you said earlier

00:11:45.460 so there's um the higher the eternal the spiritual and equality um and then there's the legislative

00:11:53.280 judicial equality each equal under the law but in order to achieve equality here on earth in terms

00:12:00.800 of outcome and opportunity and those kinds of things what we've had to do is actually precisely

00:12:06.940 the opposite from biblical justice we've had to ultimately try to enact injustice because people

00:12:13.860 are actually not the same

00:12:15.960 in terms of their abilities, right?

00:12:19.080 Because there actually are distinct gifts,

00:12:21.880 strengths and weaknesses, right?

00:12:23.580 I look at the NBA and I'm like,

00:12:25.000 this is racist, it's not fair.

00:12:28.020 I don't feel like there's accurate representation

00:12:30.080 of white people, what's going on here?

00:12:31.960 And then it's like, oh, wait, 0.90

00:12:33.600 but black people are per capita, 0.99

00:12:35.760 difficult concept to understand, 0.94

00:12:38.240 per capita, not each and every individual,

00:12:40.940 but on average, they're faster. 0.91

00:12:43.860 and they can jump higher yeah have you ever played basketball with black people 1.00

00:12:47.140 yeah it sucks oh it's terrifying yeah it sucks they're so fast they're they're very good at 0.99

00:12:52.340 basketball yeah america will either have christ or we'll have chaos for years conservatives 0.98

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00:13:53.380 but my point so my point is um what we've done though legislative is we've actually

00:14:04.680 removed we champion equality but in order to get equality of opportunity and outcome

00:14:10.500 what we've had to do is actually have inequality legislatively and judicially under the law

00:14:15.760 so we've actually had to um in order to make sure that prisons aren't just you know

00:14:21.940 uh 80 filled with black people because that's a bad look right you don't you want to be racist 0.73

00:14:28.460 so then what do we do well we have repeat offenders and career criminals and for the 0.98

00:14:33.640 most part they happen to be people of color i've noticed uh it just came out today actually that

00:14:38.520 the mass shooter in austin right he was a repeat i think like 30 prior arrests he was he was

00:14:46.040 arrested for running a woman over with his car yeah and disabling her for life yeah and the

00:14:51.140 fact that he this guy is still running around as a naturalized american citizen crazy voting in our

00:14:56.540 voting in our elections and being able to purchase a rifle right it's unacceptable and that's the kind

00:15:03.100 of injustice that we're talking about right where you have this misplaced compassion for these

00:15:07.800 perceived victims and as a result it results in actual victims actual hurting people who are

00:15:14.540 disabled who are killed uh you know two of the victims were named today and there were two

00:15:19.520 students two college students the whole life ahead of them and they were just senselessly

00:15:24.600 killed yeah for what purpose why because we need to value diversity like these are such obscure

00:15:30.060 concepts that an abstract principles that actually aren't principles functionally or ontologically

00:15:39.740 they're just cudgels that are used to bludgeon us over the head over and over and over and over and

00:15:47.000 over again so that we will submit to this inverted form of hierarchy where we have to you know give 0.99

00:15:54.660 preference and deference to the illegal alien even if he's going around terrorizing our communities

00:16:00.420 it's racist to call that out it's white supremacy i got this all the time during the height of stop 0.98

00:16:07.040 asian hate you are promulgating white supremacist narratives that it is majority black people 0.98

00:16:12.860 attacking asians in our inner cities right there's asian hate who's hating them yeah 0.99

00:16:16.940 who is the one hating them and the ones who were even during covid yelling racist slurs to asians 0.96

00:16:24.540 in their face were predominantly black and people always look at the data and the data skewed and

00:16:29.640 i've talked a lot about this on my platform where they for example categorize posters of donald trump 0.58

00:16:35.080 as anti-asian hate incidents it's up it's absurd it's absurd but you just you just live in real 0.81

00:16:40.400 life you observe reality you see the videos yes it was predominantly black people who were attacking 0.98

00:16:46.560 Asians on the streets who are unprovoked, hitting them over the head, beating them, 0.97

00:16:53.480 ganging up on them, falling them into their apartment, shoving them onto stubbley tracks. 1.00

00:16:57.740 And then so what happens as a result is that law-abiding Asians, these grandmas, these 0.80

00:17:03.020 young girls, these young men who were just going about their day, not disturbing anyone,

00:17:08.220 just trying to do their thing.

00:17:09.820 Now they become subject to such senseless violence and the judicial system does nothing

00:17:15.220 about it.

00:17:15.620 uh the asian activists and the pop culture the media doesn't do anything about it why because

00:17:22.600 it's racist to call that out and that is the kind of injustice that we're talking about because

00:17:27.000 there's an inversion of hierarchy well now oh well we got to completely topple white supremacy now

00:17:33.040 so if there's anyone white or now they consider asians white adjacent right um for the white

00:17:38.580 adjacent actually we don't care about them oh but we got to pander towards a certain racial minority

00:17:44.300 And I find that to be deeply evil because what happens as a result is that innocent people are killed, are brutalized, and no one cares. 0.87

00:17:52.820 And then people actually become apathetic towards these crimes and this violence, although they claim to be compassionate and tolerant and really empathetic.

00:18:04.320 And so I see that happening, and it does grieve me.

00:18:09.160 It grieves me that we're at a point where so many Christians cannot discern.

00:18:12.800 they can't discern what truly is evil and what is not where i see so many professing christians cry

00:18:20.220 cry about the left-wing agitators and anarchists who are obstructing law enforcement and were killed

00:18:27.120 because of their antics versus and they say nothing they don't feel anything for the young

00:18:33.520 girls and the young men the americans who were killed by illegal aliens nothing to say about

00:18:38.900 that right and objectively those girls who are raped who are killed by illegal aliens are innocent

00:18:46.260 the left-wing agitators were not they're violent they're obstructing law enforcement but they will

00:18:51.920 cry and they will weep for the leftist agitator for the anarchist for the terrorists but they

00:18:59.580 will do nothing when actual innocent americans are killed are hurting are brutalized and tortured 0.83

00:19:06.020 right and i i find that to be really despicable yeah too many tears shed over dead commies yeah

00:19:12.140 which i mean i there's a lot of signs in the past where people say oh only good commies dead commie

00:19:17.980 you know i don't believe in political violence but we've gotten to a point where yeah but that's

00:19:22.120 not political violence um you know if if it's uh if a woman is attempting to run you over in her car

00:19:30.720 right and you've been commissioned by the executive branch of our government the president

00:19:35.780 the united states chief executive for a particular particular task and your life is being threatened

00:19:42.240 then you have to do what you have to do yeah but that's different than political violence yeah

00:19:48.380 absolutely uh and so i look at that and you know there's a huge squashing of distinctions among

00:19:54.580 people and so and in that pursuit there becomes this inverted racial hierarchy that happens

00:20:00.360 and it becomes to a place where left-wingers get so engulfed in this and especially left-wing

00:20:06.120 christians become so engulfed in this ideology that they cannot see past it and they do not

00:20:12.260 live in the same reality as us where if i say anything about you know the millions of babies 0.90

00:20:19.440 being aborted and brutalized in the womb uh their body parts being sucked out and just just the

00:20:25.000 worst ways that we're killing our babies in the womb nothing christians feel nothing these these 0.63

00:20:29.940 left-wing christians but then oh god forbid god forbid an illegal alien who is committing crime

00:20:36.040 gets you know killed by ice by committing while committing that violent crime 0.69

00:20:41.580 oh such a tragedy such a tragedy they're crying and it's it's it's really disheartening

00:20:49.560 to see how many professing believers really buy into all this but at the same time um you know

00:20:58.220 a lot of these Christians, a lot of Christians who, you know, I'm not going to doubt their

00:21:02.040 salvation, right? I think the salvific work of Christ is, you know, they'll be accountable to

00:21:07.660 God when they pass and go to the life to come. But when they start talking about how we're all

00:21:15.200 the same and we're all equal, they don't believe that. They don't actually believe that. And why

00:21:20.780 i say that is because even among siblings right even among among siblings they don't end up in

00:21:28.840 the same place they don't end up in the same income bracket they don't end up doing the same

00:21:32.980 work they don't end up with the same resources even within the same family upbringing you're

00:21:38.180 going to have people siblings who are genetically even similar but then they have different outcomes

00:21:45.200 in society right but then they have this delusion that oh but even though individuals among their

00:21:53.220 own family have disparities any sort of disparities among groups in society oh that's unacceptable

00:22:00.660 and that has to be due to discrimination and then once they do that then they again there's

00:22:06.980 there's no such thing as getting rid of hierarchy so that in order in their pursuit of equality

00:22:12.140 they have now a different form of discrimination and then namely straight white young men right

00:22:18.360 discriminating against them actively hiring people who aren't straight white men um and keeping them

00:22:26.140 out of colleges to give more opportunities to minorities and women and gays and whatever

00:22:32.020 perceived victim group and a protected class and then so what happens as a result is like you said 1.00

00:22:38.120 injustice it's injustice and i also think you know everyone agrees like you see a lot of black

00:22:44.960 people online too they brag about how black people have thicker bones right thicker muscle density and 0.93

00:22:51.600 they have more fetch uh fast twitch muscle fibers all that stuff which makes them the

00:22:56.980 best athletes the best basketball players the fastest track runners and it's like okay cool

00:23:01.340 like i acknowledge that they have that kind of genealogy and those genes that allow them to be

00:23:07.060 faster more explosive stronger uh but then when it comes to other things that are biological and

00:23:13.560 genetic namely iq i know that's a very touchy subject but for example the iq of somalia the

00:23:19.000 average iq is 68 versus the average iq of korea is like 110 right so that so then of course there's

00:23:26.780 going to be disparities between the wealth creation and the status of somalia versus

00:23:31.040 south korea right there's going to be disparities between and this is why you see countries in

00:23:35.940 africa that has gotten trillions of dollars of aid but they're still the poorest countries in

00:23:40.060 the world versus japan they were nuked twice the capital city bombed into oblivion and you go to

00:23:46.680 hiroshima nagasaki where are they they're bustling cities now right right it's amazing yeah and so

00:23:51.720 there are distinctions among people it's not hateful with the somalians just for the record

00:23:55.640 part of that is inbreeding yeah incest there's deep religious connotations and just cultural

00:24:04.220 connotations but you can look at the history of somalia and its generations of incest and uh there

00:24:11.140 are profound genetic effects yeah there's uh i think two like i think two-thirds uh fact check

00:24:18.400 me if i'm wrong but i think two-thirds of somalians are a result of first or second cousin marriages

00:24:23.580 right um and obviously that includes within like siblings and things like that uh but and so people

00:24:29.420 always say oh it's not a you know people problem it's a culture problem okay but who creates the

00:24:34.660 culture people it's the people and then so there's a reason why certain places are still 0.99

00:24:40.880 riddled with crime they have what feminists would call rape cultures and they treat people 0.99

00:24:47.940 terribly it's because it's the people and it's the people who dictate the culture and of course

00:24:53.200 you are influenced by the culture you grow up in but then who's the one dictating the cultural norms

00:24:58.640 the values the morals the customs it's the people right and then there's a reason why

00:25:04.040 you look at the most powerful and richest countries in the world and the most influential

00:25:08.920 and the most orderly and clean and all that stuff it has been traditionally the west

00:25:12.780 and the east yeah and so not all peoples are the same and that's okay that's really okay but then

00:25:20.000 we get into this lie of blank slate ism that everyone is an individual and we are just silos

00:25:25.160 and, oh, you just happened to be born a Korean.

00:25:28.280 No, I didn't happen to be born a Korean.

00:25:29.860 I was providentially ordained by the Lord

00:25:33.660 to be a Korean. 1.00

00:25:35.440 And that is a good thing.

00:25:36.800 And I think that's something to be proud of 0.84

00:25:38.400 in the same way if you're born black

00:25:40.340 or if you're born white. 0.54

00:25:41.340 And like, that's something to be proud of. 0.97

00:25:42.440 I think that's great

00:25:43.140 because God created you that way.

00:25:45.480 And you would not be who you are

00:25:46.960 if you weren't of that lineage, of that ancestry. 1.00

00:25:49.940 I would not be Kangmin Lee. 0.99

00:25:51.860 I would not be the same person 0.97

00:25:53.180 because we're not Gnostics.

00:25:54.220 We don't believe that we were just souls floating in the ether and then we

00:25:57.760 happen to embody a random body. No, no. God created his body and soul.

00:26:01.720 Let's talk about that for a moment. Let's talk about, so yeah,

00:26:04.740 we're not Gnostics. So we believe that the body matters.

00:26:08.220 The soul is, it matters infinitely more,

00:26:12.000 but that's not to say that the body doesn't matter at all. The apostle Paul,

00:26:15.240 you know, he says that spiritual training is of more value,

00:26:19.100 but physical training is still of some value. He doesn't,

00:26:22.220 he doesn't um assign to physical training no value he just says that it has some value rather than

00:26:28.880 all value and so um the body matters we don't view the body as um perpetually cursed uh as though

00:26:36.680 it's simply the prison that's entrapping the soul and the soul is looking forward to

00:26:41.040 being able to break free uh in in that kind of theology in that scheme uh it really makes uh

00:26:48.140 death the savior rather than christ um and so um there were you know different kinds of gnostics

00:26:54.020 most of them deprived the body so perpetually fasting or even you know whipping themselves 0.56

00:27:00.020 and things like that self-flagellation right exactly white liberal um and then there were

00:27:03.780 a few minority sects that went the other way right if the body is a prison and it's of literal

00:27:09.080 account and then they were uh hedonistic and indulged and you know gluttonous and um so we're

00:27:15.360 We're not Gnostic, but the body matters.

00:27:18.060 But speaking of the soul for a moment,

00:27:19.520 are you familiar with the theology of Traducianism?

00:27:24.300 Traducianism, I've heard of it, but.

00:27:26.120 The idea is like, basically when you think of the soul,

00:27:30.900 where does it come from?

00:27:33.300 We know where the body comes from at conception,

00:27:36.540 man and woman when formed in the mother's womb.

00:27:40.260 But the soul as Christians,

00:27:42.920 like we believe that at the moment of conception,

00:27:45.160 that the soul would become present.

00:27:48.640 But the question is, is it created ex nihilo,

00:27:52.120 by God out of nothing and forged with the body

00:27:56.560 at the moment of conception,

00:27:59.120 or does the soul actually transpire

00:28:02.120 from the father and mother?

00:28:04.980 And when you, it's the minority report

00:28:08.280 throughout Christian theology and history,

00:28:11.220 but there are some individuals

00:28:14.880 that are notable who have held to that view.

00:28:18.400 And you can see even some of the undertones

00:28:21.260 and older writings, and not even that old,

00:28:24.360 but just about a hundred years ago,

00:28:28.100 if you're reading like Tolkien or you're reading even Lewis,

00:28:32.460 I'm reminded in the case of Lewis

00:28:35.140 and the Chronicles of Narnia,

00:28:37.560 Jill Pohl is one of the characters.

00:28:40.040 She's in The Last Battle.

00:28:41.180 She's also in The Silver Chair. 0.93

00:28:42.400 in the silver chair, Prince Rilian, when he's finally freed from the green lady, which is a

00:28:50.960 witch in the likeness of the white witch from the lion, the witch in the wardrobe, when he's finally

00:28:55.860 freed from her spell, and then she shows up, and then she takes her true form of a serpent, and he 0.69

00:29:02.060 chops off her head, and Jill Pol is kind of like being protected, and she's the young girl of the

00:29:08.920 story and she's hiding back, but she never loses her composure. And, and he addresses her when

00:29:15.220 it's all said and done and says, I'm really impressed that you held it together, that you're

00:29:19.360 not, you know, trembling, you know, or crying, you know, you, you had grit. And he says, you,

00:29:27.400 you must be your birth of some noble line. And so he doesn't just attribute to her like, wow,

00:29:34.380 you made a great decision in that moment as an individual you you know rose to the chat no he

00:29:39.760 he uh instinctively attributes to her some nobility of blood he's like you must be of a

00:29:47.600 unique heritage you know and it's and it's not just even the biological the physical component

00:29:53.160 but like you have or the expression you know like uh he has an old soul um you know or you think of

00:29:59.900 like um aragorn you know descendant of isildur you know and like i he's i don't know what strength

00:30:08.780 flows through my blood you know like he doesn't just say i don't know what choice i'll make in

00:30:14.140 the moment and you know from my blank slate ism if i'll rise to the challenge and you know win

00:30:20.000 the day no he's like i'm i i don't know um if the strength of nobility in my lineage in my ancestry

00:30:27.720 will be as potent as it needs to be.

00:30:31.040 But I'm hoping and praying in that direction.

00:30:34.280 But my point is older thinkers and writers

00:30:38.780 and historians and theologians

00:30:42.520 would attribute to ancestry, to lineage, to kin,

00:30:47.540 some kind of quality, whether for good or for bad.

00:30:53.260 Certain Achilles heel or besetting sins

00:30:57.200 or certain particular virtues and saying,

00:31:01.740 ah, he is of this dynasty or this family.

00:31:05.600 And it makes sense that he would be the one to,

00:31:08.500 you know, like even in the case of, you know, Bilbo,

00:31:12.280 it's like, well, he's just a hobbit.

00:31:13.780 And on the one hand, Tolkien paints him

00:31:16.520 as the reluctant hero and unexpected hero.

00:31:20.100 That's surprising, this Gandalf, you know,

00:31:22.620 hobbits can be surprising.

00:31:24.260 You never, you know, expect that, you know,

00:31:25.820 someone's so small and seemingly insignificant could win the day. But then when you get into

00:31:30.260 the lineage, as Tolkien's kind of writing the story and the ancestry of Bilbo, that he, on one

00:31:37.160 side, right, the Baggins were a very well-to-do family and did not like adventures and all those,

00:31:42.800 but the Tuk side of his family were known for being peculiar among hobbits, that they,

00:31:49.940 he had, you know, one particular ancestor on that side who was unusually large for a hobbit,

00:31:55.720 and so large, he could ride a real horse

00:31:57.620 and he would go off on adventures from time to time

00:32:00.260 and no one would hear from him, you know,

00:32:01.660 for extended periods of time.

00:32:03.500 And it's the Took side of Bilbo that kind of,

00:32:06.820 when he's like, I don't wanna go on this journey,

00:32:08.800 that, you know, overcomes that hindrance.

00:32:12.660 And we're at the last minute,

00:32:15.040 he's like, runs to catch up with the dwarves

00:32:17.100 and I'm going on an adventure.

00:32:18.740 And so my point is that this is the way people used to think.

00:32:22.340 It wasn't racist, it wasn't hateful.

00:32:25.160 It was just acknowledging that there's something to ancestry and not only a physical component of the genes that we inherit, but even a spiritual component.

00:32:37.260 The soul was not just made ex nihilo at the moment of conception, but that even the soul, just as the genetics would transfer from the mother and father, that even the spiritual components of the human being were also inherited.

00:32:55.160 And I think there's, I find that position fascinating.

00:33:00.080 I think there may be some truth.

00:33:01.320 Yeah.

00:33:01.600 And even personality traits, right?

00:33:03.380 In Korean culture, they always talk about how in Korean,

00:33:08.580 they say, who is this person like?

00:33:12.040 Like, who does this person take after?

00:33:13.840 And it's always like trying to trace it to someone in their family.

00:33:17.180 Oh, this person is super loud because they're just like their grandmother.

00:33:20.160 They get it from their grandmother.

00:33:21.540 They get it from their grandfather.

00:33:22.580 They get it from their father, their mother, right?

00:33:25.160 and so even that there is this inherent understanding that even part of who we are

00:33:29.440 comes from where we come from and so this is why i'm very i find a lot of the exegesis and

00:33:36.480 hermeneutics and just the way that christians talk about theology to be very deeply unserious today

00:33:42.060 where they say you're the only identity that matters is christ right your identity in christ

00:33:47.760 and yes that's first and foremost of course matters the most because yes as a son of god

00:33:52.040 That is my primary identity, me being reconciled to God, my father, my eternal father in heaven.

00:33:59.820 That is a glorious identity.

00:34:02.060 That is my most important identity.

00:34:04.020 But that's not your only identity, right?

00:34:06.200 And if you look at history, it's not only in great stories like the Lord of the Rings,

00:34:11.660 but all throughout history, people always introduce themselves as,

00:34:14.780 hey, I am blank, son of blank.

00:34:16.960 I am blank, daughter of blank.

00:34:18.840 even simon bar jonah of bar like yeah naming the the lineage yeah yeah in the bible too the way

00:34:26.420 that they introduced each other or themselves was hey i am blank son of blank and so when you

00:34:32.760 sons of zebedee yes exactly and so there is a deep spiritual component to that i think people

00:34:38.620 try to i think there is an element of christianity today that you know spiritualizes everything

00:34:44.680 oh man the lord is keeping me and testing me and it's like okay just you know all you have to do

00:34:50.220 is wake up on time right but um but there is a component of our identity that is you know part

00:34:57.920 it's from our lineage it's from our ancestry that is spiritual and people say people talk about

00:35:03.260 generational sin it's true it's true if that generational sin from your family lineage is

00:35:09.180 not redeemed and your family line is not restored from that generational sin, you will see a repeat

00:35:15.820 of that. Let's talk about that for a second. Generational sin or iniquity, generational

00:35:22.320 curses. There's different biblical language for this. And there's a lot of guys who believe in

00:35:27.720 this lack of, for lack of a better word, dispensation, this gospel error, the church age

00:35:33.640 and the New Testament, that there's no such thing as generational sin or these kinds of things.

00:35:39.180 And I wanna distinguish here between generational sin

00:35:44.920 in terms of inclinations, besetting sins

00:35:50.420 in terms of higher propensities towards some vices

00:35:55.360 rather than others, distinguishing between that

00:35:58.680 versus blood guilt.

00:36:00.700 So I do believe that within Christian theology

00:36:03.800 that there is not a blood guilt,

00:36:06.420 that when it comes to the final judgment,

00:36:11.020 when we stand before God,

00:36:12.320 we do stand before God on an individual basis.

00:36:15.560 And so I think some elements of liberalism,

00:36:17.800 like individualism, has stemmed from Christianity, 0.78

00:36:21.940 but Christianity perverted and twisted,

00:36:24.680 not historic Christianity.

00:36:26.720 So we have to be able to categorize

00:36:29.360 in the sense of God's final judgment,

00:36:33.700 God's divine purview,

00:36:36.420 his perspective, that is on an individual basis. No man will be justified on the basis of the faith

00:36:43.200 of his parents or his country or his ancestors, and neither will anyone be condemned on the basis

00:36:48.720 of anything that their people may have done that was wrong. Each person will stand before God on

00:36:55.760 the basis of whether or not he's covered in the righteousness of Christ that he's received by

00:37:01.500 grace of faith in him. And if he comes from a particular people that were guilty of heinous

00:37:08.400 atrocities, but he's repented and turned from that sin and trust in the Lord Jesus Christ, then

00:37:15.180 he's redeemed. And that blood guilt doesn't follow him. So God judges us in terms of the

00:37:23.480 final judgment on an individual basis, but we're not talking about blood guilt. We're talking about

00:37:29.060 about generational sin in terms of besetting sins

00:37:35.180 and to specify even more in terms of proclivities,

00:37:41.100 propensities, there is something to be said

00:37:44.840 for this particular type of person

00:37:47.980 who comes from this particular people

00:37:51.160 and this particular ancestry is going to struggle.

00:37:56.160 to struggle, he's going to have an added challenge.

00:38:02.800 He's not guilty of all his father's sins,

00:38:06.060 but within himself, whether it be the soul

00:38:09.280 or the body or both, he's going to be particularly vulnerable

00:38:15.340 and susceptible to a particular area.

00:38:17.800 We understand this even with alcohol.

00:38:19.600 Yes, exactly.

00:38:20.440 That certain people say, you know what?

00:38:22.280 There's just too many drunks in my family.

00:38:24.280 They say alcoholism runs in the family, right?

00:38:26.160 Right, it runs in the, yeah.

00:38:27.280 So I'm just, I know that biblically speaking,

00:38:29.860 alcohol is not inherently sinful.

00:38:32.580 The commandment is sober-mindedness,

00:38:35.000 not to not drink, but to not be drunk.

00:38:38.040 The Psalms say that God made grass for the cattle,

00:38:41.280 bread for man's stomach,

00:38:42.180 and wine for the gladness of his heart.

00:38:43.720 Yeah, Jesus' first miracle, what was it?

00:38:45.360 Amen.

00:38:45.780 Water to wine.

00:38:46.460 Water into Welch's grape juice, right?

00:38:50.100 And the people were drunk, but it was a sugar high

00:38:52.380 because they had too much juice.

00:38:54.280 right that's how uh the baptist would you know but um yeah of course so so the bible does not

00:39:00.760 inherently condemn alcohol but it does absolutely condemn uh drinking irresponsibly and drunkenness

00:39:07.460 yes but some people say i recognize as a christian i so i am a new man right if any man be in christ

00:39:13.780 jesus he's a new creature yeah right so i am a new creature with a new identity and i understand the

00:39:19.480 theological premises i know that i can drink and do so so long as i don't drink too much and it not

00:39:24.960 be sin it can be to the glory of god whether you eat or drink whatever you do to the glory of god

00:39:29.220 i know all that and even though spiritually speaking i'm a new creature in christ jesus

00:39:33.920 naturally speaking i come from this line there's this propensity and so i've decided not to touch 0.51

00:39:39.980 the stuff to which we would we would say um well you're a darwinian you're you're a pagan 0.53

00:39:48.480 ethno-nationalist you you must be a racist how dare you put any stock in biology um no we would

00:39:57.520 say oh yes i respect that decision that's very wise of you but then we shift to another category

00:40:02.240 but the same principle the same concept and the thing i just said we actually do begin to say

00:40:06.940 racist um no particular people i think can have a propensity towards particular sins

00:40:13.420 Besetting sins, generational sins

00:40:17.040 Still distinct from blood guilt

00:40:20.700 These are two separate categories

00:40:22.180 This is a conversation one day

00:40:23.480 I would love to have with Tucker Carlson

00:40:24.800 God bless him

00:40:26.300 I think he does a lot of good

00:40:27.220 I appreciate him

00:40:28.040 But I think that he has a typical 1.00

00:40:30.160 That generation 0.99

00:40:32.840 White American aversion 0.95

00:40:35.100 To anything that smells like group identity

00:40:40.240 Identity politics

00:40:42.120 Making distinctions among groups.

00:40:43.940 Right, so he'll look at something where it's like,

00:40:46.240 where someone might say,

00:40:47.820 there are Jews who've converted to Christianity,

00:40:50.780 ethnic Jews, spiritually religious Christians,

00:40:54.060 God bless them, there is no blood guilt,

00:40:57.080 and yet they might find a particular vulnerability

00:41:01.060 and temptations that they wrestle with that I don't,

00:41:05.600 and vice versa.

00:41:07.080 That concept I think Tucker would struggle with.

00:41:09.500 you know but the way i just articulated i'd love to have the conversation with him someday because

00:41:15.100 i think he at least could find that more palatable because i'd be able to do what i just did

00:41:18.880 and saying i'm not talking about blood guilt i am talking about besetting particular sins of

00:41:25.520 particular people particular sins just as we have particular virtues and strengths of particular

00:41:31.140 people there there are shame honor-based societies that have been long multiple generations within

00:41:38.360 in their culture and their customs and their people,

00:41:41.600 where they have a propensity towards certain virtues

00:41:45.880 that other people don't have.

00:41:47.740 So besetting sins or more likely virtues,

00:41:55.160 people are different, people are different.

00:41:57.380 And it's funny that you say that

00:41:58.800 because people are actually open to the idea

00:42:00.780 that different groups of people have different strengths,

00:42:03.860 but they're not particularly fond of the different weaknesses

00:42:07.480 or the besetting sins, right?

00:42:09.280 Have you ever been to a Korean church before?

00:42:11.600 I have once, Presbyterian.

00:42:14.300 It's funny, in America,

00:42:15.700 I don't know if it's this way in Korea,

00:42:17.400 but a lot of the Korean churches are Presbyterian,

00:42:21.300 but they're charismatic Presbyterian.

00:42:24.560 Yes, yes.

00:42:25.400 So if you ever go to a Korean church,

00:42:26.920 every single service,

00:42:28.780 there is a portion of the worship service

00:42:31.140 towards the end during prayer,

00:42:32.660 where they scream, Lord, Lord, Lord, three times.

00:42:37.200 really? And they start praying like, right? In tongues? Yeah. Well, in tongues, a lot of them

00:42:44.580 in tongues, but also just like, like just really praying so super passionately. And so it's actually

00:42:49.700 funny because in a lot of Christian circles, people say, let's pray Korean style, right?

00:42:54.940 Because Koreans are marked at least in their religiosity with fervor and passion, the way

00:43:03.080 that they cry out to God, the way that they pray,

00:43:05.120 it's not solemn, it's passionate, it's fervent.

00:43:07.600 So Koreans are, correct me if I'm wrong,

00:43:09.940 but it sounds like they're distinct

00:43:11.180 from other Asian groups in that regard

00:43:13.400 because a lot of Asians are reserved. 1.00

00:43:15.100 Yes, and a lot of Koreans are, 1.00

00:43:16.400 but when it comes to religion,

00:43:17.740 when it comes to Christianity specifically,

00:43:20.400 the way that God has marked the Korean people

00:43:22.880 for his works, they're passionate, right?

00:43:25.520 But there's a weakness there, right? 1.00

00:43:28.080 And that's why Korea has like 0.98

00:43:29.620 the highest percentage of cults, right?

00:43:31.780 And so there's that passion, but then it is misplaced.

00:43:35.920 And then it is used to have a lot of these cults.

00:43:39.920 And so people are, even within the church,

00:43:43.500 willing to acknowledge that there are different strengths.

00:43:45.540 And when they talk about the black church,

00:43:47.000 they talk about how they got the rhythm and all that stuff.

00:43:50.760 They're super flowy.

00:43:52.160 And yeah, I think there's nothing wrong with that.

00:43:54.180 I think that's awesome.

00:43:55.520 But then once you start talking about then their proclivities

00:43:59.220 for fatherlessness or crime, that's racist.

00:44:01.780 Or a voting Democrat.

00:44:03.120 Yeah. 0.68

00:44:03.940 Supporting abortion. 0.85

00:44:05.060 Yeah. 0.87

00:44:05.360 And so, you know, it's not just differences among races, but also clans, you know?

00:44:10.700 And like you said, there is something about lineage, about ancestry that we do inherit

00:44:15.920 from our forebears.

00:44:17.080 And now that doesn't define us, right?

00:44:19.560 That we're not people who believe in blood guilt.

00:44:22.240 A Japanese person that I meet today is not responsible for what the imperialist Japanese

00:44:27.000 did to my great great grandfather right and my great grandfather and his generation just to be 0.98

00:44:34.040 clear for the record the germans today are still responsible right we'll never never forgive forgive 0.83

00:44:39.900 we will never move on right uh never again is now yeah it's right now i feel it yeah james lindsey

00:44:46.100 he feels it i feel it uh but you know but there is something to be said about okay there is some

00:44:52.040 history there and i do believe the one thing that can sanctify a bloodline and sanctify a family

00:44:58.040 lineage from those sins is christ and the finished work of christ of course every single person is

00:45:03.180 responsible for their own actions but there is something to be said about inherited yes you

00:45:08.920 know brokenness and things like that and that's why and it can change yes but slowly over time

00:45:13.420 yeah so like a bloodline in their history right that your your ancestry um that actually can

00:45:20.940 change generational sins um we see this happen by the grace of god all the time where someone says

00:45:28.460 um there are besetting sins that my father uh wrestled with his demons and my grandfather

00:45:34.920 my great grandfather but it's going to stop with me yes and i'm not going to pass this on to my

00:45:39.480 children yes right like my my parents got divorced their parents got divorced their parents got

00:45:44.660 divorced um me and my wife as for me and my house we will serve the lord and it might be really

00:45:50.660 really hard um so it doesn't just change in 15 minutes but you're the first to change the time

00:45:56.720 and by the time it gets down two three four generations now it's like uh well now the lee

00:46:02.840 name and house is known for fidelity and known for you know what i mean exactly so it can change

00:46:08.940 but it's not like a microwave it's more like a crockpot it changes slowly yeah and i think this

00:46:15.560 is a really important conversation to have to have because like i said before christians just say

00:46:20.120 all forms of identity is idolatry except for christ and i feel like that is not only false

00:46:27.220 anthropology it's just false christian anthropology that's right um christ never erases distinctions

00:46:32.520 actually bloodlines are very important we have the messiah who came from the davidic line that

00:46:38.760 bloodline was very very important it was important for the messiah why would it not be important for

00:46:43.700 us and so uh and you see all this genealogy people always complain about oh the genealogy

00:46:48.980 so boring in the Bible, especially when I, you know, at my church as a youth group and the youth

00:46:53.500 kids call the genealogy, the genealogy, but that's important. It's important. And it is a story. It's

00:46:58.460 a narrative that's been crafted over generations from our ancestors. But part of my identity is

00:47:03.900 that I'm a Lee. I'm a Korean. And it's not the most important, but it is important because we

00:47:11.300 are not blank slate individuals. We are not social creatures that can form an identity apart from our

00:47:17.140 relationships right people think this and you see this you see a lot of women say this all the time

00:47:21.100 like i need to find myself so i need a break right i need to find myself so i need to isolate myself

00:47:27.100 you cannot find yourself apart from your relationships because your identity is tied to

00:47:32.340 who you're related to and your relationships with the people around you if you are from new york you

00:47:38.540 grew up in new york that is a part of who you are because you are a new yorker your relationship is

00:47:42.980 with new yorkers you were born and raised in new york your community is new york but also you are

00:47:48.040 what you're descended from italian immigrants or something like that and your mother is a

00:47:51.900 marachino or whatever right and it's like and those things are important to who we are and 0.93

00:47:56.100 everyone understands this this is why blm was so hysterical and but that's why it captured the 0.99

00:48:00.400 whole country because the black identity was a big part of who black people are and so there is

00:48:07.100 something to be said about how that is an important part of who we are there's nothing wrong with

00:48:11.200 preserving that but there's also nothing wrong with acknowledging it because the more that we

00:48:15.340 move away from it and keep lying to christians and saying actually that all of that doesn't matter

00:48:20.460 your only identity in christ matters then it leads to right the heresies of skipping church

00:48:26.660 and not being involved and connected to a local body right to say oh yeah it's just me and jesus

00:48:32.860 i just need me and jesus right but no like you need a community of believers to hold you accountable

00:48:38.800 to run this race of faith with.

00:48:42.600 And so we are formed.

00:48:44.280 Our identity is formed by the relationships that we have

00:48:47.820 because we are social creatures.

00:48:49.880 And apart from our natural affections and the bonds,

00:48:53.540 the natural bonds we have with those around us,

00:48:56.900 you can't form an identity by yourself.

00:48:58.840 It's impossible.

00:49:00.060 It is absolutely impossible.

00:49:01.400 So then when someone says, introduce yourself,

00:49:03.580 you say, hey, I'm a Christian,

00:49:05.400 which is your religious beliefs,

00:49:06.520 your relationship with God, that's first and foremost,

00:49:08.800 and i am korean so i come from korea and i'm a lee because my father was a lee and i grew up

00:49:16.760 in america and so there's part of that that is part of my identity that i am i'm an immigrant

00:49:22.840 but i grew up in america and all these things shaped me right i went to school in la so yeah

00:49:28.600 i lived in la for a few years that part shaped me the relationships i had in la shaped me and

00:49:32.560 all these things are parts that shape someone to be who they are and so this rejection of

00:49:39.080 proper understanding of identity is actually very harmful to the christian because then it makes

00:49:46.620 them truly rootless cosmopolitans yes it makes them just cogs in the machine economic units and

00:49:53.700 that is a lie from the pit of hell that we are not economic units we're not mere rootless

00:49:59.480 cosmopolitan that serves the interest of corporates corporations and multinational

00:50:04.540 bodies and global list whoever right it is we are people and i am a person i am a son of god but i

00:50:15.140 am a lee i am korean and i'm american and all these things are parts of who we are we're bound

00:50:20.420 that's what the nation is is the family writ large so we're bound to a particular people

00:50:24.420 um familia uh family and um and we're also bound to the land yes yes i believe like i mean you

00:50:34.000 know both of us are biblical christians so we both would hold to that all people descended from adam

00:50:39.940 and eve and then uh in a second batch you know from noah and his wife and his three sons um we

00:50:46.600 believe that we don't just think it's metaphor we we actually believe that that's biblical history

00:50:50.820 and yet we have so many distinct peoples um and it's like well what accounts for the distinctions

00:50:57.180 how can we have people that are so different if they all share a common ancestor um and and one

00:51:02.740 of the answers to that is by way of providence part of it is blessings and curses and obedience

00:51:08.600 and worship right so culture comes from the latin latin cultists which is worship so uh i don't know

00:51:15.140 have your ancestors worshiped demons for a thousand years or have they worshiped christ for a thousand

00:51:19.380 that shapes the people, dietary restrictions, right?

00:51:22.300 Food, what you eat shapes people biologically.

00:51:25.320 Well, guess what?

00:51:25.900 Food and diet is deeply religious.

00:51:28.180 There are religions that eat cow.

00:51:30.040 There are religions that use a part of cow

00:51:33.920 in their eating, but not the cow itself, you know?

00:51:37.340 And like that might shape people,

00:51:39.100 but then also the land shapes people.

00:51:41.460 I come from a seafaring people.

00:51:43.140 I come from people of the plains.

00:51:44.660 I come from people of the mountains, people of the woods,

00:51:47.100 you know, like all these things.

00:51:49.380 have a spiritual formation, a cultural formation,

00:51:53.600 but even a genetic formation.

00:51:55.920 Like my people have eaten fish for 3,000 years.

00:51:59.940 My people have eaten lamb. 0.96

00:52:02.420 Yeah, Koreans have eaten soy and beans

00:52:04.040 and tofu for thousands of years. 0.99

00:52:05.820 Yeah, but that shapes people.

00:52:08.180 And so to pretend that these things are not true

00:52:10.900 and that we can't say them because it's mean-spirited

00:52:14.660 is like taking a beach ball

00:52:17.680 and holding it underneath the water.

00:52:19.380 um you could do it for a time but it's an artificial um manipulation yeah and um and

00:52:27.700 and what we're finding you know like USAID and those get like that um what once you once you

00:52:34.500 stop um all the different mechanisms that are propping certain things up and suppressing and

00:52:41.140 holding other people down and you just say you know what no more no more government control

00:52:46.860 We're not going to put our hands, our fingers on the scales anymore.

00:52:50.660 We're not going to help this person up.

00:52:52.120 We're not going to push that person down.

00:52:53.980 We're just going to let it ride.

00:52:56.660 Well, what you find is that people end up in different spots.

00:53:00.280 Some go higher, some go lower.

00:53:02.620 And it's not racist.

00:53:04.460 It's life.

00:53:05.900 It's life.

00:53:06.740 And it's the way that God designed it.

00:53:08.040 And if you find yourself lower on the totem pole than you would like to be,

00:53:11.620 then you have a come to Jesus moment.

00:53:14.020 And you say, as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.

00:53:17.180 And we're gonna begin to work hard

00:53:18.880 and we're gonna be honorable.

00:53:20.080 We're gonna be Christians.

00:53:21.020 We're not gonna worship demons. 0.95

00:53:22.180 We're gonna worship Yahweh. 0.95

00:53:23.260 We're gonna have a Christian diet, you know, 0.98

00:53:25.480 these kinds of things.

00:53:26.420 And over time, that's not gonna mean

00:53:28.320 that in the next six months

00:53:29.940 that I'm gonna be the next Elon Musk.

00:53:31.800 But what it does mean is that

00:53:33.460 one of my great, great grandchildren

00:53:35.120 may do something phenomenal.

00:53:38.740 And I'm in it for the long haul.

00:53:41.000 That's why even eschatologically,

00:53:42.400 i i'm post-millennial i'm playing the long game yeah um and i actually believe that the church

00:53:48.680 the body of christ here on earth advances and wins not just in the bottom of the ninth saved

00:53:54.340 by the bell when jesus returns but actually wins tangibly throughout human history uh but gradually

00:54:00.580 slowly like a mustard seed that grows into a great tree or a little bit of leaven that works

00:54:04.920 through the whole batch of dough uh there are spikes and there are dips along the way and we're

00:54:09.980 in a heck of a dip right now with chrysidom in the west but i do actually believe that there

00:54:14.780 are tangible effects of the gospel monetary economic effects cultural effects the arts

00:54:21.540 the sciences innovation and even genetic effects i actually believe that the gospel changes

00:54:27.580 everything slowly and that last word is key slowly spiritually speaking conversion happens

00:54:36.340 in a moment, from death to life, lost to found, right? Born again, new creature in Christ Jesus.

00:54:43.080 But all that is in a spiritual category, in a physical, naturalistic category. It takes time.

00:54:52.080 You have to let them cook for a little bit. Let them cook. Let them cook. But I do believe that

00:54:56.840 the gospel is in fact so potent that it changes everything even down to genetics over generations.

00:55:03.020 and i think people are highly offended by that but i think to say anything less is to render the

00:55:09.560 gospel impotent it is to say that the gospel covers the penalty of sin but does not truly

00:55:14.680 have the power to break sin at least not uh generational sin besetting sins um but i believe

00:55:22.940 that the gospel does yeah um but you have to give it time yes 100 all right any final thoughts um

00:55:29.260 yeah i think you know we talked a lot but i think one thing that i just really want to

00:55:33.520 press home is debunking this idea that race is just skin deep it's just the level of melanin

00:55:39.440 in your skin right it's objectively just not true everyone knows it's not true they just

00:55:43.780 act like it's not and i find that to be uh quite dishonest when they say that because

00:55:48.420 and i mean you and i have similar skin tones right but anywhere i go in the world people

00:55:52.440 will recognize me as korean like there's not a single time where the people have made fun of me

00:55:56.900 and said like oh like are you chinese but they almost 99% of the time say oh you're korean right

00:56:02.560 i go to any country in the world they're like korean why you and i have the same skin tone

00:56:07.620 right probably similar levels of melanin and that that's all they chalk it up to be you might be

00:56:12.500 your skin tone might be a little bit more yellow just a little bit tight and you might be a little

00:56:16.900 more white but all that to say that it's there are biological distinctions among people and

00:56:23.980 people say oh yeah but our dna is 99 similar yes i know that but there are still meaningful

00:56:29.780 distinctions 98 similar with chimpanzees yeah but there's quite a bit of difference

00:56:34.700 chimpanzees are not made in the image of god you look at dog breeds too and dogs are very distinct

00:56:40.460 from one another each breed while sharing the vast majority of the same genetic composition

00:56:45.120 but they are still 99 similar correct and then so yes i'm not saying that oh one race is better

00:56:51.280 than the other and more valuable that's not what i'm saying but what i am saying is that there are

00:56:55.400 distinctions there's actually i don't know if you know this um there's this gene called the abcc 11

00:57:00.620 gene okay this is the gene that codes for the type of earwax you have and the type of body odor you

00:57:06.820 have koreans have a variant of this gene that actually allows for koreans not to have body 1.00

00:57:13.600 odor have you ever met a smelly korean not really haven't because upwards of 95 of koreans have 1.00

00:57:20.720 this variant of this gene wow this is why if you go to korea it's hard to find deodorant 1.00

00:57:25.160 koreans don't use deodorant women increasingly now are using deodorant as antiperspirants

00:57:29.600 but most deodorant is marketed for people in the west and all over the world as what to eliminate

00:57:35.580 stinky armpits right right koreans don't have stinky armpits you're gonna very occasionally 0.65

00:57:39.780 find a rare one with one sure koreans actually don't have stinky armpits and you go to korea 0.98

00:57:44.280 you go to a crowded subway it's not gonna stink it's not gonna stink and it's interesting it's 0.71

00:57:50.500 interesting isn't it that koreans don't smell and koreans have the highest percentage of this

00:57:54.420 variation of this gene japanese have the highest second highest than the chinese uh you know

00:57:59.820 africans and indians like don't have this at all they don't have this variant at all they have the

00:58:04.200 opposite variant um i don't want to get into the weeds there i might be called uh names but it's

00:58:09.720 just true it's just true and so i remember growing up and i was learning this about you know puberty

00:58:15.640 and things like that and in school they're teaching me that to use deodorant so i started

00:58:18.660 using deodorant my mom's like what are you doing and i'm like what do you mean i'm using deodorant

00:58:23.280 this is what they taught me in school i have to use this she's like you don't stink and you won't

00:58:27.560 stink no one in our family stinks from our armpits right no one you don't need it and i was like oh

00:58:33.080 okay and so till this day like i i don't unless like i feel like i'm gonna sweat a lot right 0.71

00:58:37.400 armpits but i don't and it's not a hygiene thing at that point because i don't stink right i just

00:58:42.480 don't stink and so this is this is something to be said and obviously there's the bone marrow

00:58:46.980 transplant argument and all these things about the distinction among races and the iq thing but

00:58:51.680 there are meaningful distinctions among people even to the to the point of being smelly or not

00:58:58.420 smelly and i've you know i people say that i'm racist whatnot i've dated non-korean girls before

00:59:05.060 i have uh but they've all had a specific particular body odor at the end of the day even if they were 1.00

00:59:11.760 clean and they you know use deodorant all that stuff um there would be a specific body odor

00:59:16.780 that i would smell that i would not smell among any of the koreans that i've dated uh so that's

00:59:22.640 an interesting fact that you know i hope that your viewers and a lot of people understand that

00:59:26.640 yes it's not just in skin deep it's not smelling it bone structure uh average height uh certain

00:59:33.380 inclinations or propensities for certain behaviors iq uh physicality yes all these things are yes

00:59:41.520 you're going to have exceptions but there's a reason why i can go anywhere in the world they'll

00:59:45.820 say i'm korean they're not going to be like oh you're american no they'll say i'm korean because

00:59:49.920 i come from that specific part of the world for thousands of generations thousands of years and

00:59:54.780 many many generations and so that all that being said i really hope christians continue to debunk

01:00:01.600 and move away from the lie that we're all the same yes we are imago day right we are made in

01:00:08.900 the image of god but i think more than that we have to start emphasizing ordo amoris ordered

01:00:15.260 loves. And once we start doing that, then we can have the proper view of hierarchy, that we place

01:00:21.280 the proper emphasis and the time and the resources and energy and loves into the things that truly

01:00:26.540 matter, the things that we can affect in our lives and the things that we have influence over,

01:00:30.780 namely our God, having a relationship with God, our family, our church, our neighborhoods, our

01:00:36.580 community, and our nation. And that's the proper order. And the more that Christians do that,

01:00:40.760 the more gospel effect that they can have

01:00:43.540 and influence they can have

01:00:44.620 instead of trying to reach the nameless stranger

01:00:47.640 6,000 miles away, the person right next to them,

01:00:51.200 speaking to them, sharing the gospel truth with them,

01:00:53.440 loving them, giving the shirt off their back to them.

01:00:56.160 And I believe that's how you make substantial change.

01:00:58.420 Not just going and saying,

01:01:00.600 oh, I'm gonna fund this kid in Africa,

01:01:02.500 which I don't think it's a bad thing to do,

01:01:04.140 but as to, can you be a present person in your family,

01:01:07.120 in your community, in your nation?

01:01:08.940 Amen, well said.

01:01:09.800 thanks for coming on the show kongman i appreciate it thanks for having me

01:01:39.800 Thank you.

The NXR Podcast - June 03, 2026

THE SPECIAL - If It’s Not Hierarchy, It’s Not Christian (w⧸Kangmin Lee)

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