The NXR Podcast - THE SPECIAL - James Fishback：＂Adultery Should Be CRIMINALIZED＂

00:00:00.000 So right off the bat, here's what I would do.

00:00:01.980 And I'd push for this to happen in year one.

00:00:04.260 If you cheat on your wife, or if you as a wife cheat on your husband, and there is a

00:00:09.520 divorce, you lose everything.

00:00:12.360 Non-negotiable.

00:00:13.600 There's no 50-50.

00:00:15.120 There's no custody of anything.

00:00:17.500 You lose your right to everything.

00:00:19.500 You give up everything.

00:00:21.820 End of story.

00:00:22.540 A 30-year-old CEO of an investment firm, Fishback says he would build on DeSantis' legacy.

00:00:30.000 I'm off the phone and I say I will never disavow patriotic Americans.

00:00:36.020 It is absolutely vital that James Fishback wins.

00:00:45.920 James Fishback, we want to spend some time in this episode getting to know your background.

00:00:51.300 For a lot of people, you came on the scene out of nowhere.

00:00:55.280 You just appeared out of the ether.

00:00:57.400 You do not have a political background, which I'll be honest, I kind of like, right?

00:01:02.400 Career politicians are not necessarily my first pick.

00:01:07.160 So the fact that you have not been a politician for years and years and years, I don't think

00:01:11.240 should be counted against you.

00:01:13.280 But the people, the public do have questions.

00:01:16.540 Where did you come from?

00:01:17.520 What was your home life like?

00:01:18.760 What was your background?

00:01:20.020 What did you do in terms of your vocation and career before this?

00:01:23.300 and there are certain allegations that people want answers to. And I think that that's right

00:01:28.620 and fair. By stepping into the political reign, you have, essentially, you've committed to being

00:01:34.800 an open book. That's what you sign up for. And so you don't have the luxury of being anonymous,

00:01:40.280 not with what you've undertaken. Now, that said, in the spirit of fairness,

00:01:45.620 I think that it's also worth talking about your primary opponent, Byron Donalds, and his background,

00:01:52.340 Because what I don't think is fair is for guys to say, well, he came out of nowhere or here's his background or this thing happened or that thing happened.

00:02:01.420 Meanwhile, there are very, very few people talking about Byron Donalds and his past.

00:02:08.880 And so in this episode, I want to discuss both, but I think that it's fitting and appropriate to start with you.

00:02:14.860 So tell me about the real James Fishback, your background, your childhood, your previous work.

00:02:21.800 What are the most glaring, you know, stinging allegations against you and how would you respond

00:02:28.600 to those? Well, let me start by saying that the real James Fishback doesn't even go by James

00:02:34.340 Fishback. So my full name is James Thomas Fishback. And so the people in my life, my parents, my

00:02:40.540 sister, my family all call me Tommy. And so it's still weird to this day because there's almost

00:02:45.740 two sides of me. There's the people that my aunt and my uncle and all my family know me as, which

00:02:50.960 is Tommy. And then there's James. And so as a kid, there was the schism, right? At home, I was Tommy.

00:02:56.500 And then at school, I was James. I was always James at school, but always Tommy at home. And

00:03:01.440 so let me just first preface that by saying, I'm not the man that people say that I am because I

00:03:07.620 actually have a very different name publicly than I do privately. I grew up, I was born in 1995,

00:03:13.200 January 1st. So my parents got cheated out of that little tax break. And I grew up in Davie,

00:03:19.240 Florida, which is a suburb of Fort Lauderdale in South Florida. Grew up to an American dad who

00:03:25.460 grew up in South Florida. My grandfather fought in World War II. He was a professor at Florida

00:03:30.300 Atlantic University of Computer Science. His father fought in World War I, was the owner of

00:03:35.440 a small hotel on Fort Lauderdale beach. And the fishback side of the family came here in the mid 0.94

00:03:40.220 18th century. And then my mother came here a lot more recently. She was actually born in South

00:03:44.380 America in the country of Columbia, where I spent most of my summers as a kid down there practicing

00:03:49.880 my Spanish in a very proud Catholic family down there and a very proud Catholic family on my dad's

00:03:55.160 side up here. And it was a really interesting combination of worlds between my mom's side of

00:04:00.280 the family and my dad's side, but grew up in working class. My dad cut trees for most of my

00:04:06.280 life. And what really changed his career to where he became a bus driver for Broward County

00:04:11.260 Transit was literally the Haitian earthquake. So the Haitian earthquake happens in January of 2010.

00:04:18.020 And then all of a sudden, Barack Obama has the wise idea to let hundreds of thousands of Haitians

00:04:22.340 legally stay in the United States, get work authorization, get benefits. And let's just

00:04:27.440 be honest, it's not disrespectful, but the Haitian who doesn't speak English can't exactly become a 1.00

00:04:32.000 math teacher or an SAT tutor. So they do manual labor like tree trimming and landscaping, which 1.00

00:04:37.180 my dad had proudly done for 20 years. Tom's tree service, he called it. He didn't just do it in

00:04:41.680 South Florida, but he would literally chase hurricanes up into the panhandle, South Carolina,

00:04:46.300 Louisiana, even Texas, and would cut down trees and work with the folks there to get these

00:04:52.580 communities back up and running. So during hurricane season, I rarely saw my dad. He was

00:04:56.400 on the road, quite literally chasing hurricanes. And then everything changed in 2010 as we imported,

00:05:03.540 legally imported 100,000 cheap laborers who stole my dad's business and not just him, 0.96

00:05:09.560 but a lot of other businesses in my community from him. And even though my mom and dad both

00:05:15.060 had careers growing up, they almost never worked at the same time. And so I grew up in a single

00:05:21.600 income household. And I know how important that was for my upbringing. It was totally feasible

00:05:26.320 for only one of my parents to work at one time and to raise me and my sister.

00:05:30.640 My sister is a public school teacher in New York City. We're both public school kids

00:05:34.740 from kindergarten all the way to graduation. My aunt was a public school teacher. My grandmother,

00:05:39.640 who I, without a doubt, is the most influential woman in my life,

00:05:43.840 was a public school teacher of 20 years. My grandfather was a professor. And so

00:05:47.500 that, that is how I grew up. And I grew up as still together. They are great. I talked to my

00:05:57.980 parents, not every day. I talked to them about 10 times every day. Wow. It is the first call that I

00:06:06.760 make in the morning. The last call before I go to bed, talk to them several times already today,

00:06:11.820 just probably the exception just because the travel and everything going on.

00:06:14.580 but I talked to him every single day and my dad was on the campaign trail with me for the first

00:06:19.360 eight weeks had a lot of fun he's my closest friend advisor and all of this and gives me

00:06:24.560 really good advice both politically and and just messaging wise and my mom is she was kind of the 0.95

00:06:32.380 stern parent the helicopter mom growing up she would order the parent teacher conference she 1.00

00:06:38.460 was the one to more often deliver corporal punishment although you didn't cheat the 1.00

00:06:42.960 hanging judge and my dad sometimes when I needed a good spanking at home. But it was a really good

00:06:47.800 upbringing, lived in the same house my entire childhood, three bed, two bath in a community

00:06:53.400 called Shenandoah. I knew my neighbors. They weren't private equity firms. They weren't

00:06:57.460 Airbnbs. We're switching out new residents every other week. They were real people, real Americans.

00:07:03.440 I saw them in church on Sunday. I saw them at Little League. I saw them at T-Ball. We went to

00:07:08.320 the carnival. We carpooled. I fear for the kids nowadays who will grow up in cul-de-sacs where

00:07:15.120 their neighbor to the left is a private equity firm and to the neighbor to the right is a short

00:07:18.980 term rental on Airbnb where there's a new couple who will come in every other week who will vacation

00:07:24.140 there and there's no real sense of community. And I remember what it was like for the ice cream

00:07:28.500 truck to come in and for my neighbor to spot me and my sister. And then the following week for

00:07:33.680 my father to spot the neighbor and his kids. And so I, I miss that. I, we used to live in paradise,

00:07:40.420 Joel. I was born in 95. I remember going to Baskin Robbins and Blockbuster and going to

00:07:45.560 Pizza Hut with my report card. And we used to have a culture where not just the government,

00:07:50.340 but actually business felt like they had a real stake in our country and our next generation

00:07:57.440 succeeding. And it doesn't feel like that anymore. No, it does not. So kind of fast forwarding

00:08:06.440 a little bit here, moving towards adulthood, where'd you go to school?

00:08:11.220 I went to Georgetown. I went to Georgetown. I studied economics. I was there freshman,

00:08:16.880 sophomore year before junior year. I dropped out to start a hedge fund called Macrovoyant that I

00:08:21.740 started. And it was, you know, I did high school debate, which is really weird because it's a very

00:08:28.540 flat environment. I mean, I debated with the sons and daughters of multi multi-millionaires in one

00:08:35.420 case of one student, a billionaire. And so when you're at the Harvard tournament, the Yale

00:08:38.880 tournament, and you're one of the lone conservatives actually defending at the time, what was this

00:08:44.640 real contention in the country? This would have been right after Barack Obama had been elected

00:08:49.580 president. I was one of the few conservatives, I just grew up as a conservative my whole life,

00:08:54.400 actually taking on the Obama administration, bravely taking on the Obama administration as

00:08:58.940 a freshman in high school. But I made a lot of connections in high school debate. And I started

00:09:04.320 trading in college, trading platinum futures and gold futures and oil and interest rate derivatives.

00:09:09.860 I was always a fan of economics and geopolitics, but I wanted a way to express that in a challenging

00:09:16.800 intellectual way. And no, waxing poetically in a 15-page paper about neocolonialism was not the

00:09:24.640 way to do it for me. It was to actually have skin in the game and to find out which way the Fed was

00:09:30.060 going to screw it up next or how a South African mining strike was going to affect the futures

00:09:35.300 price of the platinum commodity. And so that's what I did most of my college. I didn't show up

00:09:39.400 to class all that often. And I was fortunate enough to get some really great investors back

00:09:45.400 me. Left after sophomore year, raised a $15 million fund, ran macrovoyant, which was my

00:09:50.260 clever way of saying macro investing, which is this big picture geopolitical economic style of

00:09:55.300 investing with this word clairvoyant, creating this new portmanteau. Did that for five years

00:10:00.280 and then worked in another hedge fund after that for three.

00:10:03.180 Okay. What are some of the allegations in regards to your career with investing?

00:10:10.180 Well, the biggest one is going to be my former employer, David Einhorn, a Greenlight Capital.

00:10:14.820 He recruited me to join there as I was running Macrovoyant, and I did at the beginning of 2021.

00:10:19.860 I left in 2023 rather abruptly.

00:10:23.260 And anytime there are allegations, I think you have to recognize there's always a kernel of truth to everything.

00:10:29.220 And so let me just tell you the truth.

00:10:32.120 It was wrong for me to go to a firm and to abruptly leave in the middle of the year to start a competing firm.

00:10:41.180 That was the wrong thing to do.

00:10:42.820 That was not fair.

00:10:43.740 And look, I have disagreements with my boss. He suffered from a very severe case of Trump derangement syndrome. He told me that Trump belonged in prison for the rest of his life. My political disagreements aside with him, he hired me. He gave me a chance. And I was really grateful for that.

00:11:00.680 I mean, he's a snake, but I still think that when someone does something for you, at the very least, you have an obligation to them to treat them with some semblance of respect. And I think that getting up in the middle of the year to do the egotistical thing, which is start my own firm, a competing firm, take investors from him, that was not right.

00:11:21.680 And looking back on it, you know, all the back and forth, the drama with my former boss, I regret the way that I acted at times. And I regret, first and foremost, I think not being as appreciative of the opportunity that he gave me.

00:11:37.300 I think the right thing for me to do was to sit down, have a conversation with him, say, here's how I'm feeling. I want to do my own thing. I'd like to get your blessing. I'd like to leave at the end of the year, et cetera, et cetera, as opposed to saying, I'm out.

00:11:49.820 and that was the approach that I took

00:11:51.820 and that was the wrong approach to take.

00:11:53.560 It'd be no different

00:11:54.120 if you were a blacksmith in the 19th century 0.50

00:11:56.340 and the man who trained you,

00:11:58.560 my boss didn't train me,

00:11:59.460 I started my own thing,

00:12:00.840 but the man who gave you an opportunity,

00:12:02.500 I mean, my own boss,

00:12:03.940 you know, not to brag,

00:12:04.680 but he paid me a million dollars

00:12:05.960 my first year there.

00:12:06.920 I mean, he allowed me

00:12:07.880 to have a comfortable lifestyle,

00:12:09.020 support my family,

00:12:09.840 to support the work that I was doing

00:12:11.420 with my nonprofit Incubate Debate.

00:12:12.880 For that, I'm grateful.

00:12:14.140 I think at the very least,

00:12:15.820 despite everything that happened,

00:12:16.840 I owed him that conversation.

00:12:18.320 I didn't give him that conversation. And that was the beginning of the bad blood.

00:12:22.780 And just an interesting fact, Greenlight Capital, my former employer, they've been in existence now

00:12:30.280 for 31 years. In 31 years of all of their lawsuits that they've initiated, half of them

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00:13:48.480 In 31 years, half of the lawsuits they have, and these are very litigious people. It's New York

00:13:54.120 hedge fund, elite Democrat, right? Half of the lawsuits they initiated. And so I'm not coming

00:14:01.100 here and saying, I'm a victim, I'm a victim, whatever, right? Except personal responsibility.

00:14:06.180 It was wrong of me to get up and leave in the middle of the year. I think it's also wrong for

00:14:10.260 him to use the court system for lawfare, to try to weaponize judges, to use my employment contract,

00:14:18.300 a non-compete confidentiality and say, you violated the confidentiality permission. Well,

00:14:23.820 what did I do? Did I steal trade secrets? No, you texted your father 31 times over the course of

00:14:28.960 three years what you did at work that week. You or I know that that's not, anyone watching knows

00:14:34.100 that doesn't violate confidentiality. But if you're a Democrat New York judge who sided against

00:14:39.020 President Trump, as the judge in this case did, and you're going to read the agreement that I

00:14:43.960 signed with my employer, my employment contract, confidentiality as such a broad term can mean

00:14:48.520 anything. So yeah, literally when I texted my dad in February of 2021, what I did at work that week,

00:14:54.020 they argued that violated confidentiality. They never asserted there were any damages. They never

00:14:58.260 asserted that I did anything with that information, but they just said you violated it. In fact,

00:15:02.840 their entire case was never about recovering any damages. It was about recovering all the

00:15:08.500 future legal fees they were going to incur by suing me. Think about it, Joel. You screwed me

00:15:13.800 over, hypothetically, and I didn't sue you for any damages. I just sued you so you could pay 0.56

00:15:18.960 my lawyer's fees to keep suing you. That is spiteful, petty behavior, but it doesn't excuse

00:15:24.760 the fact that in many respects, I bear some responsibility for starting the bad blood by

00:15:29.260 living in the middle of the year. Is there any way to fix it? No. Yeah. So is this just going to,

00:15:35.140 are these open lawsuits? Are they still ongoing? No, they're pretty much taken care of. I think

00:15:40.940 there's one that's ongoing. It's hard to keep track with everything, but it's all civil stuff.

00:15:45.420 It's all really silly. Do you think that they'll continue? There'll be more in the future? No.

00:15:50.240 Okay. No. The beautiful thing is that there's a statute of limitation, a lot of the stupid,

00:15:53.440 silly civil stuff. And so it's two years. So we've already lapped that. He's now getting into 0.99

00:15:58.720 politics. He's given millions of dollars to my opponent already behind the scenes where we're

00:16:02.680 following the dark money trail. People can be upset. People can even have a right to be upset.

00:16:11.600 But I think to go use a taxpayer funded judicial system to wage lawfare against anyone, it's no

00:16:18.420 different by the way, when, and there's these non-compete agreements now that are being enforced

00:16:22.800 against people who work

00:16:24.860 at certain fast food franchises

00:16:26.620 where in the fine print,

00:16:28.180 if you work at a McDonald's franchise,

00:16:29.440 it says that you cannot cross the street

00:16:31.200 and go work at Burger King.

00:16:32.920 That's not capitalism. 0.50

00:16:34.160 That's not labor mobility.

00:16:35.920 The founding fathers would be rolling over

00:16:37.320 in their grade if they found out

00:16:38.320 that a 19-year-old kid

00:16:39.600 signed away his right to work at a competitor

00:16:41.620 because he wanted to make $16 an hour

00:16:43.740 so he could take his girlfriend out 0.75

00:16:44.900 for a nice steak dinner.

00:16:46.600 That is not a legal system

00:16:48.680 that actually stands up

00:16:49.620 for the dignity and self-respect of our workers.

00:16:51.540 And that's something I want to do as governor.

00:16:52.800 is that, no, I'm not going to let billionaires and billionaires and these large corporations

00:16:56.820 wage frivolous lawsuits and create a labor market where you can't cross the street to

00:17:01.660 work for a competitor because in your labor contract, you surrender the right to do that.

00:17:07.080 No. Look, yeah, if you work at a tech firm and you're dealing with proprietary code and

00:17:13.140 you're making 500 grand a year, yeah, there's a world in which you shouldn't be moving over

00:17:16.760 to your competitor because you have sensitive information. But if you're working at Popeyes,

00:17:21.140 yeah you should be able to work at kfc yep well said um tell me the tesla story what's that all

00:17:27.600 about so in all of this as a result of them proving that i took confidential information

00:17:37.280 and by proving that i took confidential information they mean that i texted my dad and

00:17:41.100 what i did at work they convinced a judge that they i owed them three hundred thousand dollars

00:17:46.080 in legal fees and there was no way for me to stop that i couldn't appeal it it's just the way the

00:17:50.440 justice system works. It's what's called a summary judgment. And because it was clear cut that by the

00:17:58.320 very liberal reading of the confidentiality provision, by emailing my dad anything about my

00:18:05.840 job, I violated confidentiality that I was now entitled to pay all of their legal fees. And

00:18:11.080 that's what this liberal judge in New York City found. And so they collected on that by seizing

00:18:18.820 my car wow wow okay now this is okay i recovered my firearm good uh so this one is uh the most

00:18:27.300 serious so what i've heard is everything that you've covered so far is the tesla story it's

00:18:31.500 the work you know past work history um all those uh but the other one that uh your opponents will

00:18:37.360 regularly um publicize and throw in your face has to do with um a girlfriend who was allegedly

00:18:45.960 underage. Can you talk about that? Absolutely. Let me just start by saying that I have never

00:18:52.420 dated anyone or been ever involved with anyone who's underage. What happened here is a classic

00:19:01.320 case of he said, she said. And what I'm grateful for is that the she brought these allegations to

00:19:08.920 court after trying to shake me down and my lawyers down with her fancy out-of-state 1.00

00:19:14.480 self-important lawyers down. And I said, cool, call your bluff. We'll see you in court.

00:19:20.220 Real quick pause. How much time passed in between the dating relationship and her now

00:19:28.420 coming after you? Years.

00:19:33.120 In these years, I'm sure this would just be a mere matter of coincidence, but did anything

00:19:38.200 significant develop for you at a personal level in these years in between the dating relationship

00:19:42.500 and when she came after you?

00:19:44.100 Like for instance,

00:19:45.380 did you become significantly more wealthy

00:19:48.400 during that time?

00:19:49.800 I made a million dollars in one year.

00:19:52.180 Do you think that had anything to do

00:19:53.440 with her all of a sudden coming and shaking you down?

00:19:55.920 I'm sure it's just a coincidence.

00:19:57.240 I'm sure it is.

00:19:57.880 Okay, continue.

00:19:58.840 Yes, and so if I were broke

00:20:05.580 living in the back of my car

00:20:06.760 in the parking lot of a movie theater,

00:20:09.680 I don't think that these allegations

00:20:11.040 would have been leveled against me.

00:20:12.060 yep and so i said cool call your bluff we'll see you in court and we did and after seven hours of

00:20:19.940 testimony after two back-to-back hearings closing briefs i mean it's the full thing it was actually

00:20:24.900 it was a television drama essentially being in there it was really hard on my parents because

00:20:29.760 yeah it wasn't fair for them uh a judge rejected her claim and fully exonerated me and so when

00:20:36.840 people come to me why does that keep getting brought up because because because they always

00:20:43.840 take the epstein angle with this kind of stuff yeah right they first tried you're a racist

00:20:47.860 then they tried you're an anti-semite and now you're half colombian how are you a racist well

00:20:53.680 i'm fully american and you know i'm i'm proud of my family in south america i spent a lot of time

00:21:00.080 I talked to my grandmother, Abuelita, every other day and I call her. But what I'll say is

00:21:06.560 don't trust me. Trust a court, right? This was not something that was settled out of court.

00:21:13.900 This is not something where it's a he said, she said, it's an ongoing. This was fully adjudicated

00:21:18.780 by a judge in Florida's second judicial circuit. There was absolutely no evidence. She had every

00:21:26.680 opportunity to substantiate these claims. And she didn't. And you know what, Joel, I pray for this

00:21:31.580 girl. I truly do. Because someone who would spend this much time going after me, hurting my parents,

00:21:38.920 and I think hurting herself as well, I really do pray for her. She would have been better off and

00:21:45.180 is better off just moving on and doing something more meaningful. And it's a shame. It's really a

00:21:52.540 live in Florida? My understanding is she still lives in Florida. So how many months does she

00:21:57.120 have before she needs to get out? It's pretty unfortunate when you try to shake someone down

00:22:05.200 and then that someone happens to become governor. She might be looking at a move. I'm not saying

00:22:11.640 you would be so petty to do this. If I was her, I'd be like, this is not going well.

00:22:16.240 I think that there were people above her. She got really bad advice from lawyers who probably said,

00:22:24.220 look, there's a payday here. And it's like the Gloria Allred stuff, right? It's always the

00:22:31.080 lawyers at the top who are really behind the machinations, who are pulling the strings.

00:22:36.160 But it's a shame. It really is. But my thing is anybody can level accusations. I could say tomorrow

00:22:44.020 that Joel Webin held me at gunpoint

00:22:46.880 and forced me to drink that entire bottle of bourbon.

00:22:49.620 I hope we're going to have a little bit of that later.

00:22:50.760 Yeah, we will.

00:22:52.340 Held me at gunpoint with an AR-15-223

00:22:54.840 and forced me to drink that entire bottle of bourbon

00:22:57.060 against my will.

00:22:58.340 And then you can call CAP

00:22:59.840 and we can see each other in court

00:23:01.420 and you're going to have an opportunity

00:23:02.600 and I'm going to have an opportunity

00:23:03.380 to prove up a case.

00:23:04.520 And if I can't, it's over and done with.

00:23:06.400 Right.

00:23:06.680 It's over and done with.

00:23:07.480 It's done.

00:23:08.020 It's done.

00:23:08.620 You have to move on.

00:23:09.240 But it's a shame that that is where,

00:23:12.220 forget the left,

00:23:12.860 My Republican opponent is openly calling me this.

00:23:17.560 The same man who refused to sign the discharge position to release the Epstein files, to hold accountable.

00:23:25.020 See, that's the hypocrisy I can't stand.

00:23:27.200 So I'm going to come after James Fishback because of a dating relationship that allegedly, even though he's been fully exonerated,

00:23:36.600 um and and i'm going to feign concern genuine concern about pedophiles um people who do monstrous

00:23:45.000 things to children meanwhile i actually have within my power the ability to bring these

00:23:52.320 monsters real monsters to justice and i won't that's the kind of politics that uh americans

00:23:58.760 are done with they're done with um where it's not actually about justice it's not actually about

00:24:04.180 punishing wickedness, exonerating and esteeming righteousness. It's just petty politics. It's

00:24:13.320 just competition. It's just power. That's all. That's all it is. And I would never level an

00:24:20.640 allegation that is unsubstantiated, but as we sat down here today, we learned from popular reporting

00:24:26.860 and from the evidence, the evidence. This is not some hearsay that my opponent was living in an

00:24:33.200 open state of adultery and that's what i want to get so his his wife we cover james fishback but

00:24:39.100 now speaking of byron donald's yeah and things that like and i don't want hearsay so everything

00:24:45.240 that you say i'm going to press you to back it up correct and as christian men i think

00:24:49.120 we should be very careful about leveling us an allegation of that order of that magnitude against

00:24:58.540 an ostensible Christian. And so I don't, I'm not here and I'm not going to be one to level

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00:26:32.100 So it was Valentine's Day on Saturday

00:26:34.840 and Congressman Donald's, his wife is Erica.

00:26:39.600 I know her actually, I had dinner

00:26:41.000 with both of them in August and-

00:26:42.640 Really?

00:26:43.480 Yeah, I was in touch with them

00:26:44.620 and I would've thought they were a fine, happy couple,

00:26:48.560 but she posted an image of these two when they first met. And it said, it was amazing when you

00:26:55.360 first came up to me and asked me for your number at the FSU dining hall in 1999. And there's a

00:27:01.800 picture of them. And Byron Donalds is wearing a wedding ring. Byron Donalds was married in the

00:27:08.860 summer of 1999 up until 2002. And Erica Donalds in a social media post that is still up right now

00:27:15.720 as we sit here says that they first started dating in 1999. That was the beginning of their

00:27:22.440 relationship. And in that first photo, he's holding Erica Donald's by the bosom with a wedding ring

00:27:29.700 on. Wow. And so the timeline, the marriage certificate, it's all out there. And I wouldn't

00:27:37.160 come and level an allegation against a brother like this. And I mean, brother in more ways than

00:27:42.520 run with Byron against a brother like this, if it weren't unimpeachable, if it weren't clear as day.

00:27:49.640 And it is sad that anyone, forget that he's my opponent, that any man in my state would live in

00:27:57.320 an open state of adultery. It's not just actually criminal in Florida. It actually is against state

00:28:03.360 statute to live in an open state of adultery. It is one of the highest, most insulting sins

00:28:09.280 is to do that. And so it has to end this entire culture. And yeah, there's a rich irony that is

00:28:16.940 accusing me, whatever, but there's a really special place for people who would cheat on their wife

00:28:24.680 and then not even pay the divorce bill as my opponent did. And it's got me thinking,

00:28:30.040 we got to change some of these divorce laws in Florida. Yes, we do. Let's talk about it.

00:28:34.900 Yeah. So right off the bat, here's what I would do. And I'd push for this to happen in year one.

00:28:39.280 If you cheat on your wife, or if you as a wife cheat on your husband, and there is a divorce, you lose everything.

00:28:47.620 Non-negotiable.

00:28:48.860 There's no 50-50.

00:28:50.300 There's no custody of anything.

00:28:52.780 You lose your right to everything.

00:28:54.600 You give up everything.

00:28:56.940 End of story.

00:28:58.240 And then what I'd also do is I'd take it a step further.

00:29:00.880 For Bisa Hall, which was Byron Donald's actual wife while he was running around with Erica Donald at FSU, 1.00

00:29:06.440 I'm going to create a new cause of action in our civil court system that would allow the woman who

00:29:15.480 was cheated on in any situation to bring action against the woman in this case who knew that 0.93

00:29:25.820 Byron was married. So you can one, take legal action through the divorce and dispossess him

00:29:30.580 of all of his assets. But you can also, in this case, take legal action against the woman,

00:29:37.620 the philanderer who came in here, knowingly participated in that act of adultery.

00:29:42.660 We're not talking about a woman who's deceived by a man who he takes off his ring. But if we're

00:29:47.800 talking about a social media post, not from years and years ago, right? The picture was taken years

00:29:53.280 and years ago, but they're still proud of it and posting this recently. And in the post itself,

00:29:58.660 you see the wedding ring. Erica Donald's new. Correct. And the timeline, in the post, it said,

00:30:04.620 when you came up to me and asked me for my number in 1999, Byron Donald's was married on June 15th,

00:30:10.160 1999. What is he doing? And that was the beginning of their relationship. He wasn't divorced until

00:30:17.000 2002. His wife, first wife, Bisa Hall lives in Texas, and he still has not paid her back for

00:30:26.680 the filing fees and the divorce, and she's still sadly holding that against him. And she should

00:30:31.580 get every single penny back. But the bigger conversation we need to have is, and I'm not

00:30:35.140 doing this to be spiteful to anybody. I'm doing this because you got to call balls to strikes.

00:30:41.000 I believe that government has a responsibility to encourage good behavior and discourage bad

00:30:45.580 behavior. Call me what you want. Discourage bad, encourage good. Divorce is bad. Adultery is bad.

00:30:53.640 guess what? We should discourage it. If you go cheat on your wife, or if you as a wife cheat 1.00

00:30:59.580 on your husband, I don't care if you're a doctor and you make seven figures, you're losing 0.72

00:31:03.880 everything. There's no court case. So long as the accusation is substantiated that there was

00:31:10.680 adultery, you have lost everything, including the custody of your children. What does that do?

00:31:16.660 It sends a very powerful message to the would-be adulterers in my state of 23 million people

00:31:23.020 that we have a biblical calling

00:31:24.860 to be faithful to our women.

00:31:26.400 And women, you have a biblical calling

00:31:27.720 to be faithful to your men.

00:31:29.460 And by the way, that is not controversial.

00:31:33.120 That is a 90-10, perhaps a 95-5 issue.

00:31:36.140 I would find favor with Muslims on that, 0.68

00:31:38.600 with Jews on that, with blacks, with whites,

00:31:40.700 with even our Democrat brothers and sisters on that.

00:31:43.260 We've covered the adultery allegations

00:31:45.780 and it really seems like they're more than just allegations.

00:31:48.980 I mean, I don't know how you get away

00:31:50.300 from the timeline of you know actually being married to another woman from 1999 to 2002 the

00:31:56.220 wedding ring is in the picture with his now wife um those things seem to be very substantial but

00:32:01.700 moving on from that covering a little bit more ground right you you have you have an individual

00:32:06.440 and as far as we can tell he's an adulterer um but certainly that's it right like we're not you

00:32:13.460 know we we wouldn't want to um just assume that every stereotype of byrone is true like it's not

00:32:20.160 like he's an adulterer and you know a drug felon but wait there's more but wait there's more can

00:32:26.920 you speak to that well my favorite show growing up i watched with my dad was colombo and the way 1.00

00:32:32.620 colombo would always come in and he pretended to be a bumbling idiot which was kind of his shtick 0.96

00:32:37.220 but he was brilliant is just one more thing there's just one more thing we need to talk about 0.99

00:32:41.880 Let me first start by saying that any man who has paid their debt to society, who has genuinely repented and served their time should be a free man in this country.

00:32:52.900 And my opponent did in fact push drugs on teenagers in 1997.

00:32:58.800 He was arrested and charged for felony drug possession with the intent to distribute.

00:33:03.180 And my only question to him is, has he apologized to the children and to the families that he pushed drugs on?

00:33:09.540 because it's one thing to serve your time, to pay your debt to society. But when you do something as

00:33:16.260 heinous as pushing an addictive poison on people, this was not, I robbed a candy bar. This was not,

00:33:22.620 I stole a kid's bike. This was, I pushed poison on people, young, vulnerable, impressionable people

00:33:30.980 to make a profit. I'd like to see my opponent, who I don't really view as my opponent, really.

00:33:36.140 I view him as someone who wants the top job of my state.

00:33:39.400 I'm also asking my state to give me that job.

00:33:42.140 I'd like to know if he's apologized for what he's done to those kids.

00:33:46.740 Yeah.

00:33:47.920 Anything else?

00:33:49.060 Adultery, the drug charges, anything else that our listeners should be aware of when

00:33:54.340 it comes to Byron? 0.55

00:33:55.960 Well, he is the black Warren Buffett.

00:33:58.500 He is perhaps the second only to Nancy Pelosi.

00:34:01.120 I mean that actually. He's second only to Nancy Pelosi in stock returns in Congress. This guy's

00:34:06.900 made over $4 million trading stocks in Congress in just the last few years. He has no financial

00:34:12.780 background, no financial prowess. He's not a very bright guy. And yet he, like Pelosi, went to

00:34:18.080 Congress, got all the tips, knew exactly when to buy, and the stock shoots up 400%, knows exactly

00:34:24.560 when to sell, rug pulls everybody. And this has just become a habit of our politicians on the

00:34:30.640 left with Pelosi, on the right with Congressman Donald's, which is why is it too much to ask

00:34:36.620 of our elected officials? I don't care if there's an R next to your name or a D next to your name

00:34:40.920 to go to Washington and serve the public interest without trying to profit yourself.

00:34:47.000 Right. Why is that so difficult? And so the simple thing that has to be said with him

00:34:52.340 is, are you going to give the money back? The millions of dollars you've made over the last

00:34:57.240 five years, because let's look at Byron Donald's track record. He wins his congressional race in

00:35:02.120 2020. He becomes a congressman in 2021. Every single spending bill that has come down the pike,

00:35:08.360 he has voted yes on. Yes to spend more money that we don't have on things that we don't need,

00:35:16.020 quite frankly, for people who should not even be in our country. Under Byron Donald's time 0.99

00:35:21.820 in Congress, national debt has gone up $7 trillion. And not once did he put his foot down and say

00:35:30.020 enough is enough. He votes yes to send more of our money to Israel, borrow from China,

00:35:35.480 send to Israel, and perhaps most disqualifying. Very rarely is a vote, a single vote disqualifying.

00:35:41.940 But in July 2021, he voted with Joe Biden to eliminate the vetting requirements for Afghan

00:35:49.260 Afghan migrants coming into our country after Afghanistan fell apart. One of those Afghan

00:35:55.320 migrants, as you know, Joel, shot two National Guardsmen right before Thanksgiving last year. 0.99

00:36:01.340 Byron Donalds voted to let people like that man, and that man came in after Byron Donalds, 0.99

00:36:07.260 sided with Joe Biden, voted yes on the Allies Act to completely eliminate the vetting requirements 0.79

00:36:12.740 for these so-called Afghan refugees who we are apparently indebted for. They are the ones who 0.93

00:36:18.500 fought the war. Not our brothers and sisters in the Marine Corps, in the Air Force, in the Army. 0.53

00:36:24.260 No, it was the Afghan refugees in Afghanistan and Kabul. They were the ones who were actually 1.00

00:36:30.980 fighting the war, which is why we had to let them here and fight a war against our own people.

00:36:35.680 And so I was asked by a local news reporter the other day, how are you going to defeat Byron?

00:36:43.080 My goal is not to defeat Byron.

00:36:45.400 My goal is to make my state win,

00:36:47.960 to make the people of my state win.

00:36:49.740 And if Byron has to be defeated as a result of that,

00:36:51.760 as a natural consequence of that, so be it.

00:36:54.260 But my only goal in this race

00:36:56.620 is not to be the lesser of two evils.

00:36:59.420 My only goal is to present

00:37:01.400 an alternative affirmative vision

00:37:03.540 that challenges, yes,

00:37:05.620 the corrupt status quo of the Democrat establishment,

00:37:08.300 but also the insidious, insufferable,

00:37:11.840 out-of-touch elite status quo of the Republican establishment. I don't know how much longer I can

00:37:17.120 tolerate seeing another Byron Donald's Fox News appearance where he complains about Kamala Harris,

00:37:23.260 about Barack Obama, about Joe Biden. Meanwhile, in Florida, we control the Florida House,

00:37:28.580 the Florida Senate, the Florida governor's mansion in Washington, D.C. We control the House,

00:37:33.120 the Senate, the Supreme Court, and the White House. Why on earth? I'm no fan of Democrat

00:37:38.500 party politicians. But why on earth does Byron Donald's wag his finger at the Democrats when

00:37:43.900 our party is ostensibly in power? We have no one to blame for the ineptitude and the suffering that

00:37:51.520 so many of us are going through when we control all the levers of power. We need to use that power

00:37:56.720 for our own end. Right. It's just blatant hypocrisy. It's very similar to, ironically,

00:38:03.220 what kamala harris herself did right so when she's running replacing biden running in this past

00:38:09.420 presidential election she's like we need change you know we we need to you know uh be untethered

00:38:16.180 by you know uh the burdens of the past you know those kinds of things it's like woman you've been

00:38:23.000 in charge you're the borders are you've been the vice president like that that's the kind of

00:38:27.580 rhetoric that you would use if um if you're if you're campaigning and you know the the opposing

00:38:36.360 political party had been in power for four years or eight years and messed things up but that

00:38:42.060 rhetoric that Kamala used of like I'm coming in and I'm going to you know right the ship and fix

00:38:48.640 the wrongs and it's like from from who who messed it up me my my team I've been vice president and

00:38:56.060 that's that's really i mean we have to be honest as republicans like you know it's i mean it's

00:39:01.060 pretty typical to hop on the anti-kamala train and anti but like i it's low-hanging but it's

00:39:06.520 low-hanging fruit exactly so i despise um these people and what they did to the country the amount 0.96

00:39:12.560 of of people that poured in foreigners into america that are all signed up for benefits that 0.56

00:39:19.100 are committing crimes that are uh terrorizing the native citizens under the biden you know the auto

00:39:25.160 pin presidency is atrocious so i'm i'm completely on board i've spoken about these things on 0.82

00:39:31.580 multiple occasions um but if we really want to be above that then we can't we can't actually use

00:39:38.860 ironically hypocritically the exact same rhetoric we can't uh we can't oppose kamala while doing the

00:39:45.080 very same thing that she did she's talking about all these problems that she created but then

00:39:50.420 somehow positing herself as the solution meanwhile you're exactly right james um we're in charge so

00:39:57.340 why why are we not seeing the solutions why are we not taking actions you can't sit there and just

00:40:03.300 point the finger at the democrats um both in in you know at the federal level and in the state of

00:40:08.860 florida republicans have currently the power so so do something about it don't wag your finger

00:40:16.140 at the democrats you need to own whatever fault whatever failure um you can actually own personally

00:40:22.900 and then it's it's not blaming it's repenting if anything i feel like the gop right now um

00:40:29.940 there there should be not uh not blame shifting but repentance um we have power so far we've failed

00:40:37.140 to do what we were elected to do in this regard in that regard um but we've we've pinpointed and

00:40:43.580 identify the failures. We're owning the failures. And here's the precise, in practice, plan that

00:40:51.040 we're going to implement in order to make the changes that you, the people, deserve. And these

00:40:56.440 are things that we are not hearing from, sadly, from many GOP politicians at this point. We're

00:41:01.580 not hearing plans of action. Instead, we just hear excuses. Even, I hate to say it, but as much as

00:41:11.080 i'm grateful for donald trump he was elected um on a platform of mass deportations um that

00:41:20.520 that decision of the american people was not give us mass deportations if um you know if

00:41:28.020 everybody agrees to it or if you can do it you know carefully and nobody is offended or nobody

00:41:33.840 is upset no it's a mandate from the american people was given to the chief executive saying

00:41:39.760 get it done get it done and there are certain things that need to take place that need to take

00:41:46.600 place in our country that need to take place in your state get it done and not only does Byron

00:41:52.100 not really have a plan for doing any of this or even a commitment that he's going to but there's

00:41:57.940 actually on his track record that he's in many ways the cause of the very problems that need to

00:42:04.000 be solved that's insane so let's let's round it out with this why why what so why is he the front

00:42:13.300 runner why why is he even a contender why where did his name even come from because not not only

00:42:20.600 is is there you know the felony charges of pushing drugs or the adultery or this that and the other

00:42:26.400 but the as far as i'm concerned and i'm not saying that you agree with my position so i'll speak for

00:42:32.180 myself let the record state i'm not speaking for james fishback in this regard but um i i don't see

00:42:39.420 him as an american so for me um paper americans um are not the same as american silence american

00:42:47.680 citizen an american is speaking um and there is a difference between the two um as far as i'm aware

00:42:54.060 he's we're not talking about a heritage black i i believe that there are heritage blacks who are

00:43:00.140 absolutely american they've been here as long um as europeans have been here in some cases

00:43:05.580 longer uh i and i you know someone like clarence thomas i praise god for clarence thomas um he's

00:43:12.760 been incredible thomas soul has been incredible um but byron donald's uh it's it's not just the

00:43:21.120 things in his background and the moral failures but um he's he's a foreigner right i mean like

00:43:28.220 are his parents can can he point to anyone who you know in his family in his lineage in his 0.88

00:43:35.040 heritage who has been in america for generations no and that's why the foundation what are we doing

00:43:41.800 here this is like vivek right i thought we already had this argument right vivek is like well i was

00:43:47.220 born in ohio yeah but but your your parents were not citizens yeah neither of them to to to this

00:43:56.580 day, Vivek's father is not a citizen. And there's perhaps some personal decision there, but as

00:44:00.380 irrelevant, you don't get to stay in our country and not pledge your sole allegiance to the United

00:44:05.600 States of America. That's a basic precondition. But in Byron's case, I met with the foundational

00:44:10.380 black Americans recently, and they're patriots, by the way. They are patriots. They want no part

00:44:17.100 of Byron Donalds. Because they call him a tether. It's a fascinating term. I've never heard of it

00:44:23.160 explain that to me. A tether is someone like Byron who comes from the Caribbean. His mother

00:44:29.560 is Jamaican. His father is Panamanian who comes from the Caribbean and all of a sudden pretends 0.91

00:44:35.600 to be a foundational black American talks about the struggles of slavery. It was Byron Donalds,

00:44:41.940 by the way, who sided with Kamala Harris against governor Ron DeSantis in 2023 over the slavery

00:44:49.800 curriculum in our public schools, which was historically accurate, which was foundational

00:44:54.440 and all of that. And so this is a guy that when push comes to shove, he will side with the

00:44:59.820 Democrats and cry, slave this, slave that. But he can't point to a single ancestor who is actually

00:45:06.900 enslaved here in the United States of America. Byron Donalds is maybe a good guy. Maybe he's

00:45:12.120 a good father. Definitely he deserves equal dignity and equal treatment under the law.

00:45:16.520 but on the question of whether his birthright and his ancestry on either side of his family

00:45:23.240 is tied to this country, it is unequivocal. His mother was born in Jamaica. His father

00:45:29.660 was born in Panama. He was born in New York. Neither of his parents were citizens of this

00:45:34.980 country. If the birthright citizenship case goes the way we think it should, which is

00:45:40.280 that he may not even be a citizen of this country. Correct. So Byron Donald's is if 0.99

00:45:45.880 we actually adopt what the framers would have viewed, I mean, obviously the 14th Amendment

00:45:50.420 was adopted later, but if you would have pushed the question of the 14th Amendment at the origin,

00:45:57.360 Byron Donalds would not have become a United States citizen because neither of his parents

00:46:00.960 were U.S. citizens at the time of birth. Look, this is not the reason why he shouldn't be

00:46:07.900 governor, but I think it's an important thing to take into account that yet again, you have

00:46:13.880 somebody coming here, and it's not me saying this, the foundational black Americans find him 0.86

00:46:18.620 insufferable because he will sit there and say that I'm in this with you. I'm in this slavery,

00:46:24.680 this slavery, that it'd be like you or I moving to Ukraine next month and trying to stand with

00:46:30.600 the victims of the Holodomir and say, we understand the struggle of the Holodomir.

00:46:34.580 No, you don't. No, we don't. We're not Ukrainian. Right now, if I may, because we do tangents, 0.55

00:46:41.460 So we've had a lot of tangents in our conversation.

00:46:42.780 We just had a little in and out, which was fun.

00:46:45.420 But I want to get back to this thing of Republicans in D.C.

00:46:49.780 The Republicans in D.C. are completely delusional.

00:46:52.200 They actually think this year gets an A+.

00:46:55.660 They're not crazy, though, because when they say make America great again,

00:47:01.520 and we say make America great again,

00:47:03.700 we're actually talking about two different Americas.

00:47:06.380 When the D.C. Beltway establishment Republican says make America great again,

00:47:10.020 what do they define America as?

00:47:11.460 Gross domestic product, stock market capitalization,

00:47:15.140 fourth quarter earnings.

00:47:16.400 When you and I and everyone watching at home,

00:47:19.040 black, white, Republican, Democrat,

00:47:21.560 say make America great again,

00:47:23.040 they mean people, American citizens,

00:47:26.260 having great paying jobs, being able to buy homes,

00:47:29.040 exist in their country, affordability, safe streets.

00:47:32.300 That's what we mean when we say make America great again.

00:47:35.180 It's the same as America first.

00:47:37.780 When I say America first, I mean Americans first. 0.96

00:47:41.180 Correct.

00:47:41.460 i don't mean america as a sports team that can switch out like fungible widgets all of its

00:47:47.880 individual players but when i say america first i don't actually mean america beating china

00:47:52.980 right i i have you know my concerns about china and other nations for that matter china just for

00:48:00.300 the record is not the country that i would be most concerned about but i do have concerns i

00:48:04.560 could imagine which country that is joel yes you could so um i'm not talking about america first

00:48:10.820 meaning america as a sports team winning first place prize on the global stage against other

00:48:16.860 nations and the race for ai or the race for economic dominance or this that and the other

00:48:21.740 when i say america first and i know that you mean this too james we mean americans first we mean

00:48:27.380 the people and here's the deal if america wins and it wins on the global stage it wins economically

00:48:32.620 it wins you know in geopolitics and military strength and all these different things um but

00:48:38.560 america wins without americans america wins because we imported you know uh the top one

00:48:45.500 percent of india and the top one percent of this country the top but displaced our own people

00:48:50.640 then america did not win it's not america first that's america last america lost that is that's

00:48:57.460 losing and even when i think about meritocracy you know it's like we we've gone through this

00:49:02.300 this evolution you know political evolution i i know that i have and i see it i know it's not

00:49:07.520 just me everybody we're all learning in real time what's been lost over the the last 80 years we're

00:49:12.720 all we're all you know on our our red pill journey and coming to see oh pat pucannon was right about

00:49:17.340 everything you know and oh this person was you know and and we're realizing these things and

00:49:21.280 and we're building the plane in mid-flight right we're trying to quickly you know learn in 15

00:49:26.620 minutes what if we had a better country and we had better education like we would have all learned

00:49:32.040 over the the course of the last 15 years but you work with what you have and uh and this is where

00:49:36.820 we are in the province of god we're doing what we can so for myself and i know many others um you

00:49:42.300 know 2020 you've got you know covid you've got the summer of love you know and saint george floyd

00:49:47.620 and all the riots and this that and the other and so the big thing is like we're going to be bold

00:49:51.560 we're going to be courageous and as conservatives we're going to push back and say hey no preferential

00:49:57.120 treatment for anyone no none of this dei policies um it should be a a strict meritocracy well here's

00:50:05.200 the deal meritocracies have their merit but um that that is true um but i'll tell you what is

00:50:12.000 not virtuous at all um meritocracy only works and and even with this there are some nuances that we

00:50:19.180 don't have time to get into but we'll just say at the risk of oversimplifying meritocracy has its

00:50:25.640 merits it does work um but it works within a closed family and what a nation is supposed to be

00:50:32.780 uh in in even god's purview of speaking of the nations the nation all it is is the family writ

00:50:41.140 large that's what a nation is the bible some translations in certain passages will say all

00:50:47.180 the nations of the earth other translations same verse will say all the families of the earth

00:50:51.720 that's what a nation is it's an extended family it's your kin these are all brothers and sisters

00:50:58.840 and cousins and third and fourth cousin you know that's what a nation is it's it's my people

00:51:04.440 my people um and and meritocracy just again at the risk of oversimplifying um this is how you

00:51:13.560 we should think about it this is how americans politicians and the gop should think about it if

00:51:17.640 they weren't shameless meritocracy plus globalism is um real palpable hatred towards your own family

00:51:30.580 correct imagine that imagine if um as a father right so now going to the nuclear family imagine

00:51:36.800 if i i have five children as a father i said you know what we're gonna have we want to we want

00:51:42.700 fairness your mother and i have decided we're not gonna have a favorite child we love you all

00:51:47.440 equally. And we're going to have fairness. And there's a couple of privileges in the home and

00:51:52.980 they're up for grabs for anyone who is able to earn it. Anyone who's being obedient, doing good

00:52:00.820 in school, you know, doing the things that your mother and I have asked you to do. But in the

00:52:06.100 spirit of fairness, there's these few pristine places of privilege. And we've decided that it's

00:52:13.360 a meritocracy but we wanted to be truly fair and so we opened it up to the whole neighborhood

00:52:18.760 not just my five children all the children in the whole neighborhood and so you know if johnny

00:52:24.760 next door if his report card in the next six weeks is better than yours um he can stay up late and

00:52:31.620 sleep over that's right and he'll get an allowance you know on friday and and correct how brutal

00:52:38.060 how hostile how sinister it makes me angry when i think civil magistrates are called by god to be

00:52:47.760 civil fathers the citizenship of a country is the family writ large and they are the civil sons

00:52:55.920 and daughters who are looking to their fathers to care for them even guys like thomas watson

00:53:02.860 guys like matthew henry i think of the puritans i think of the reformers i think of certain

00:53:07.900 catholic theologians i think of aquinas all these guys they talked about civil fathers should and

00:53:14.320 they use this word they say um play a role of nurturing their civil sons and daughters it is

00:53:21.820 a role of nurture um it's a fatherly um should be an affectionate nurturing role um and what we have

00:53:32.980 is we have the civil fathers of our country

00:53:36.040 turning all their benevolence

00:53:39.220 outside to strangers

00:53:42.060 at the neglect of their own.

00:53:45.620 That, it doesn't just make me angry.

00:53:47.940 I truly believe this.

00:53:48.940 And I'm not trying to use hyperbolic language,

00:53:51.180 but as a pastor who's read the Bible once or twice,

00:53:54.900 it makes God angry.

00:53:56.480 God hates it.

00:53:57.600 It's actually wicked.

00:53:58.780 It's a breach of the fifth commandment

00:54:01.560 to honor thy father.

00:54:02.980 and mother in your case being catholic fourth commandment we number them a little bit differently

00:54:08.160 um but it's a breach that's the only difference between us there's a couple differences um but

00:54:14.480 it's a breach of the fifth commandment to honor thy father and mother think about that think what

00:54:17.880 did the founders say who who did they bleed and sweat and die for for us and our posterity they

00:54:24.520 didn't do it for india they didn't do it for afghanistan no they didn't that's not what they

00:54:29.460 did it for. Imagine me like working hard to save an inheritance for my children. And then my

00:54:35.560 children give it to someone else instead of my grandchildren, their children. And they just give

00:54:41.020 it to some 501c3 charity organization. And they get to, you know, lay down in their bed at night

00:54:46.360 with, you know, feeling good about themselves and how generous they've been, how charitable

00:54:50.180 they've been. But my grandchildren are unemployed. They live in a country that's

00:54:54.520 unrecognizable and they have no hope and no future. And that's what the GOP is currently

00:55:00.840 doing to its own constituents, the people who voted them into office. And to hear, I was not

00:55:06.800 aware of this actually, but to hear that Byron Donaldson, it's one thing, like we all evolve,

00:55:11.540 we all change and change. Here's the deal. We're Christians, right? So we have a biblical word for

00:55:16.980 change, to change one's mind, 180 degrees about face. Well, the Bible has a word for this and

00:55:23.140 it's not something to be ashamed of. It's actually virtuous. It's called repentance.

00:55:27.160 So you and I, we have a category for repentance. We're not going to just wag our finger and hold

00:55:32.740 something over someone's head in perpetuity because you used to think this way, but now

00:55:37.120 you think that way. We welcome repentance. We welcome change. But when you talk about Byron

00:55:41.580 Donald's, we're not talking about 20 years ago that he voted. We're talking about in 2021,

00:55:49.960 the high water mark of the left that was flooding the country with strangers and foreigners at the 0.95

00:55:57.260 expense of the native american people and he voted and threw his hat in the ring with joe biden 0.95

00:56:03.740 to to back um afghanis who who are murderers who come and murder white families american families

00:56:13.180 and this isn't 20 years ago this is you said 2021 is when that's insane disqualified he shouldn't 0.96

00:56:20.480 even be in the rates how in the world especially i mean be one thing if he was running as a democrat

00:56:25.500 you're running as a gop to replace ron desantis who's not perfect but god bless him he's done

00:56:31.160 incredible things that's what what what a a devastating blow to desantis and his legacy

00:56:39.160 to be replaced by such a dark vision of the future

00:56:43.640 that replaces the native citizens of Florida 0.96

00:56:45.920 that doesn't care for them,

00:56:47.920 that's riddled with the past and adultery.

00:56:50.140 And I just, I appreciate Trump.

00:56:53.820 I'm a bit frustrated with him, as you can tell currently.

00:56:57.720 Why did Trump endorse him?

00:56:59.780 What's going on?

00:57:01.480 Well, the inside baseball of DC politics is fascinating.

00:57:04.800 Byron Donalds was actually on the short list,

00:57:07.260 believe it or not, to be the vice president.

00:57:09.120 What?

00:57:09.700 Yeah.

00:57:10.620 And I know this because I know the Donaldses.

00:57:12.720 I know Erica.

00:57:13.620 I've been in touch with them now.

00:57:15.320 And so he was passed up.

00:57:17.140 JD was obviously picked.

00:57:18.660 And then Byron's next thing was try to become Treasury Secretary.

00:57:22.640 Obviously, he was passed up.

00:57:24.260 Next thing was try to become HUD Secretary, Housing and Urban Development.

00:57:27.840 Byron Donalds was once again passed up.

00:57:29.920 And then what happens?

00:57:32.560 The consolation prize.

00:57:33.980 Mr. President, I didn't get VP.

00:57:36.040 I didn't get Treasury Secretary.

00:57:37.140 I didn't get Housing Urban Development Secretary. Will you please endorse me for Florida governor

00:57:42.680 a year ago? And Trump said yes. And what I've learned from people inside the president's

00:57:47.740 inner circle is the president is already regretting that because of how quickly our

00:57:51.520 campaign has risen. When I launched this campaign 11 weeks ago, we were polling at 2%.

00:57:56.140 The most recent poll covered in the New York Times, the New York Times, mind you,

00:58:00.420 has us at 23%. Congressman Donald's at 37. Imagine what we've done in 11 weeks. Now,

00:58:06.920 imagine what we can do with six more months. Right. He's done that with $45 million in the

00:58:11.600 coffer. Correct. Miriam Adelson in the bank. A lot of Jewish money. He's also been able to do

00:58:16.140 this with a Trump endorsement. And he's been campaigning for close to a year, nine months.

00:58:21.460 Well, campaigning in quotes, because his version of campaigning is putting out a strongly worded

00:58:26.780 letter going on Fox and whining. My version of campaigning is going to actually meet voters,

00:58:31.620 hear their concerns, talk to them, what gets them up in the morning, but also what keeps them up

00:58:36.400 at night? What do they fear? Because not just this country is unrecognizable, but Joel, my

00:58:42.260 state is unrecognizable. We used to have citrus groves out in Davie, Florida. We used to have

00:58:46.400 citrus groves in Frostproof and Sebring. We used to have cattle in Okeechobee. Our state is

00:58:50.700 becoming a concrete jungle. It's being surrendered to property developers. AI data centers are being

00:58:55.340 built in places all over the state in small towns like Fort Meade, where they're going to see 40 to

00:59:00.540 50% higher electric bills. So Sam Altman and Elon Musk can train the next generation of AI

00:59:06.160 slop. That's not the state that my parents, that my grandparents called home. And so we have to be

00:59:13.000 very honest about what this election is. It is a fork in the road. Yes, it is a fork in the road

00:59:17.780 for this competing ideology in the GOP right now. I think it's probably, some say it's MAGA versus

00:59:23.920 America first. Those are highly loaded terms. I think you and I are MAGA in literal sense. We

00:59:28.320 want to make America great again. But the objective terms I would use for the split in the GOP

00:59:33.800 is economic corporatism, of which Byron Donald espouses, and then you and I would say economic

00:59:40.520 nationalism. You and I believe in an ameritocracy. See, that's exactly what it is. You have to have

00:59:44.960 the nationalism piece. You have to. So I want America to be economically prosperous. Correct.

00:59:49.880 Absolutely. And I want America to win. And I actually want America to win on a global stage.

00:59:55.280 The difference is I actually believe that the way that's accomplished, the only way that's

00:59:59.040 accomplished is betting on the american people i actually think that america is the best because

01:00:04.980 i believe americans are the best correct i don't think that we need to import i don't think that

01:00:11.040 we need to switch and trade and do this and do that like i i believe in americans i believe in

01:00:18.580 our heritage i believe in in our history i believe in in the virtues i like i actually love america

01:00:26.740 i actually love this country i love what it used to stand for what i believe by the grace of god

01:00:32.460 it could stand for once more and and so that that's the difference is meritocracy it has a space

01:00:40.260 within reason um the idea of uh economic prosperity all these things but the the missing piece is

01:00:48.640 nationalism and that's i i think america first and what it represents and i would describe myself

01:00:53.680 in that category, absolutely. I am America first. And I'm very hopeful for this movement. I think

01:00:59.380 that there are potential pitfalls along the way and things where it'll, like any movement that's

01:01:03.900 new, it has to grow up, it has to mature, it has to evolve, all those kinds of things. But I'm very

01:01:10.720 bullish on America first. And the reason why is because it is a return to nationalism. I think

01:01:19.220 that's the key ingredient everything else falls apart if there's not first a a devotion and

01:01:26.660 allegiance to your people and i i look at democrats their allegiance is to other people

01:01:33.780 foreign people because they want to import them for cheap votes i look to republicans

01:01:37.980 their allegiance is to other people because they want to import them for cheap labor

01:01:41.780 i look to america first and i'm very hopeful but at the same time i recognize it's like

01:01:48.920 it's like three people right thomas massey you know there's not that many guys who are really

01:01:55.540 a part of this and i think there's potential i think there's hope i think it's growing there's

01:01:59.920 a lot of young guys but that's why you know we'll end the episode here but that's why i'm taking the

01:02:06.860 time to speak with you is because it's not just about this race in florida it is about that it's

01:02:15.000 it's nothing less than that it's vital that you win but it's not just vital for florida for the

01:02:21.120 next four to eight years um it's vital for the country it's vital for me all the way over here

01:02:25.560 in texas because what you represent james if you win what it says it's a shot across the bell what

01:02:31.960 it says to every single politician whether they be democrat or republican is it says america first

01:02:39.020 is actually a serious political viable platform it it says it literally will make everybody else

01:02:47.320 will start changing their tune they'll start working harder they'll be oh my goodness what

01:02:51.080 we've got to get our act together we've got to shape up because this america first movement that 0.78

01:02:56.260 is americans first is going to kick our butts if we don't actually do what the american people

01:03:04.460 have voted us into office to do that's why you have to win because if you win it's it's it's the 0.53

01:03:10.540 the meme you know it's the the old adage of you know there's a guy with a whip and it's just one

01:03:15.660 dude but he's the elite he's the slave master you know who's whipping this crowd of guys are all

01:03:21.580 bowed over and he's whipping all and then one stands up right and it's just one he's still got

01:03:26.900 the whip he has the power everybody but when one stands out then it inspires two or three others

01:03:32.500 and once three or four are standing, then they all stand up and that guy is done. The guy with

01:03:40.900 the whip, the guy who's been lording it over them, domineering over them, exploiting the people,

01:03:47.220 his reign of terror ends in that moment and it always starts with one. This is what God always

01:03:53.520 does in the book of Judges, right? God would raise up one and he would inspire others, whether it be

01:03:59.320 samson or whether it be barack or whether it be gideon like this this is tale as old as time

01:04:05.680 we know this christian or not it's it's an instinctual to human nature we know that the

01:04:11.700 way that change happens is slowly than all at once and it takes one to start if you win

01:04:18.840 it changes american politics it doesn't just it doesn't just change florida for the better which

01:04:24.640 it does for the next temporary amount of time if james fishback can win not dog catcher but governor

01:04:31.880 of the third largest state in america it says that american first politics is a viable contender

01:04:38.140 and everyone will either join the movement or get their act together in order to be a legitimate

01:04:45.040 legitimate competition to the movement all of american politics improves if you win and that's

01:04:52.340 why I invited you here. Well, it's an honor. And I ended my campaign video, the very simple

01:05:01.240 premise I'd like to tell you, which is Florida is our home. America is our birthright. And we can

01:05:08.240 never let them steal that from us. That's why I'm running to be the governor of my state. I'm

01:05:12.000 running to represent the 23 and a half million people who call Florida home. My family has been

01:05:16.840 there for four generations, but I'm also running to recognize the fact that this debate that is

01:05:23.100 eating our party alive, it's not a debate. It's not something where we're trying to assert a new

01:05:29.680 unproven theory called America first. America first is what set this country into motion 250

01:05:35.380 years ago. This is nothing new or novel. This has been what our country, even on the left,

01:05:41.760 john f kennedy was america first and so i think we ought to recognize that if we're honest with

01:05:49.960 ourselves if we're honest with democrats so was nixon nixon was an incredible president by the

01:05:54.540 and i would get right on improving our high school curriculum to actually teach the truth

01:06:00.640 about president nixon because he was a brilliant that's so brilliant man he was a brilliant man

01:06:06.080 And to have McGraw Hill-

01:06:07.380 And he was slanderously smeared.

01:06:08.840 He was slandered, he was smeared.

01:06:10.900 And in a way that was, one, politically motivated,

01:06:13.900 but also just completely ahistorical.

01:06:16.520 Right.

01:06:16.940 Completely ahistorical. 0.65

01:06:18.280 If you do work that into the curriculum,

01:06:21.240 just unsolicited advice, just throwing my hat in the ring,

01:06:25.120 you could also include the transcripts

01:06:28.120 from a specific phone call between him and Billy Graham.

01:06:32.540 It'd be quite interesting.

01:06:33.420 if you don't know what i'm talking about i'll tell you i know what you're talking about

01:06:37.240 but the i think the bigger point to all of this is when we say america first let me just be

01:06:44.900 good just as a as an exercise i can pervert america first right now america first america

01:06:50.400 first means the american economy american technology the american competitive advantage 0.51

01:06:55.320 in ai is first that means joel that to be america first you have to bring over 600 000 chinese

01:07:01.880 students. You have to bring over 100,000 H1Bs because if we let China beat us in the AI arms 0.81

01:07:09.100 race- Then it would hurt everybody. And that's not America first. America first means leading 0.95

01:07:13.440 on the world stage. That often sounds like neoconservatism. So let's be very precise with

01:07:19.640 our words. I'm with the America first movement. Real quick, but can we throw Elon Musk a bone?

01:07:25.120 We can. Just one now.

01:07:26.660 yeah and we can take it back retroactively if he disappoints us um but in the spirit of what i

01:07:32.700 said earlier in terms of change and repentance yeah um elon musk has i i think in real time

01:07:39.920 rethought some of these things and uh and backtracked with some of his rhetoric sure

01:07:45.340 even on that point of america first i mean he just at the time of this recording he just recently

01:07:50.180 tweeted out either today or yesterday uh within the last 24 hours saying um exactly what you just

01:07:55.880 articulated america first and and going directly against in contradiction to what he said you know

01:08:00.720 just 13 months ago and acknowledging um that he he was wrong and i appreciate especially

01:08:06.640 from the world's richest man he doesn't have to apologize to anybody he if anybody has a few

01:08:11.500 money that guy's got it you know like and so for him to humble himself and actually say you know

01:08:18.060 what i i was wrong um if we beat china and if we beat this and we beat that and we win um but we

01:08:25.140 do it at the cost of replacing americans and it was all for naught and i was super encouraged to

01:08:31.260 see that so i just want to publicly say elon musk we appreciate that don't let me down champ

01:08:37.500 elon is a a very interesting fellow but we should be forever grateful for what he did with x bringing

01:08:46.440 real free speech back and look there's going to be shadow bans here there's going to be accounts

01:08:49.860 that gets suspended there.

01:08:51.740 But let's not forget the systematic

01:08:53.800 and systemic censorship of Christians,

01:08:57.240 conservatives, homeschool parents,

01:08:59.620 people pushing for election integrity,

01:09:01.580 who had real concerns about the vaccines,

01:09:03.400 about mandates, about the vaccine injured.

01:09:06.500 That was a total cesspool under Jack Dorsey and Yole Roth.

01:09:09.700 That's just the hard truth.

01:09:12.220 What is interesting is Elon Musk a year ago

01:09:17.000 with Vivek Ramaswamy was singing a very different tune.

01:09:19.860 that's what I'm referencing. And so it's amazing how two Christmas, two Christmas in a year of

01:09:25.440 Vivek has pushed the same thing in 2024. It's become a Christmas tradition. It's become a

01:09:29.960 Christmas tradition. It's an Indian H1B Christmas tradition. What do you do at Christmas time? 1.00

01:09:34.360 You know, in your Indian household, we eat curry and we tell Americans why they're not actually

01:09:38.360 American. That's right. And his, his new thing this past Christmas was this New York times op-ed 1.00

01:09:43.860 where he said that anybody who watches Nick Fuentes does not deserve to be in the conservative

01:09:49.560 movement. Let me just be very clear with you, Joel. I don't want to mince words. If the men

01:09:54.740 that I saw, that I've met at my events in Pasco County, in Broward County, in Duval County,

01:10:01.040 who wear that blue America First hat, I found them to be proud, patriotic, well-informed,

01:10:05.820 and insightful. If they represent the America First movement, we should be grateful that they

01:10:11.540 are part of the conservative movement. We should never disavow, denounce, or distance ourselves

01:10:16.980 from these patriots yep amen well said all right we will end the episode there uh that that's just

01:10:22.560 we've covered a lot and that's a lot to think about um but this is why you have my endorsement

01:10:29.740 for what it's worth not that you need it i don't even live in florida so it doesn't count for much

01:10:33.300 but for what it's worth this is why you have my support is um that issue right there america first

01:10:39.200 means americans first you could just say that america first means americans first and and the

01:10:46.200 reality is you would think oh my goodness like okay that that doesn't make someone special there's

01:10:50.060 nothing unique about that here's the sad right we're given some white pills in the series but

01:10:54.700 here's a black pill for you um that actually is in the year of our lord 2026 a unique position

01:11:00.800 among politicians it is that is the by far the minority report guys in dc who are willing to say

01:11:08.740 america first means americans first and then you kind of have to ask even a follow-up question with

01:11:13.960 that. Like what kind of American, you know, like, like what kind of America are we talking like,

01:11:20.060 like 15 minute American? Are we talking about the American that's been here? You know, the,

01:11:24.320 the, the, the H1B who's presently here, who's, who's in, within the borders of America.

01:11:30.080 Exactly. Is that an American? Right. But if we at least got them to admit that the KPI,

01:11:35.760 the key performance indicator, right. What we're optimizing for is actually the prosperity of

01:11:41.460 Americans as opposed to C plus I plus G plus NX, which is the formula for GDP, or as opposed to

01:11:47.400 the stock market, the Dow's at 50,000, the S&P's at 7,000, and yet 70,000% of recent, 70% rather,

01:11:53.420 of recent college grads cannot get a job in their own field of study. And no, they didn't study

01:11:58.920 gender intersectionality. They did the STEM thing that everyone told them to do. Republicans

01:12:04.300 included science, tax, engineering, math, only to find out that those jobs were given to Indian H1Bs 1.00

01:12:09.620 And the Americans were never even interviewed for those jobs because those pesky Americans know they want a dignified market wage. If you zoom out, the white pill to your black pill is that, yes, genuine Americans first policy is not well subscribed amongst the D.C. Beltway elite. 0.98

01:12:30.000 but genuine Americans first policy all over my state of Florida and throughout this land

01:12:36.360 is the winning message. If the Republican party pushes out America first, they should cease to

01:12:44.660 exist. They will just prove that they're part of that uniparty establishment with the Democrats.

01:12:49.120 I think that if we can bring on the America first tradition, kick out the neocons,

01:12:54.960 jettison the line go up losers actually build a party that works for american citizens

01:13:00.200 we will have a true golden age and something we'll all be proud of yes and amen james fishback

01:13:05.480 thank you for coming on the show my pleasure

01:13:24.960 We'll be right back.

The NXR Podcast - March 25, 2026

THE SPECIAL - James Fishback：＂Adultery Should Be CRIMINALIZED＂

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The NXR Podcast - March 25, 2026

THE SPECIAL - James Fishback： ＂Adultery Should Be CRIMINALIZED＂

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THE SPECIAL - James Fishback：＂Adultery Should Be CRIMINALIZED＂