The NXR Podcast - THE SPECIAL - Nick Fuentes Is Right And Wrong About Masculinity (w⧸Nick Fuentes) - EP3

00:00:00.000 You know, lately I've had a lot of female fans

00:00:02.220 that are texting me, they DM me, I don't DM them back

00:00:06.180 and they make edits about me and I think about it

00:00:10.880 and I just don't even see myself in a kind of role like that.

00:00:18.660 And by that, I mean like a domestic scene. 0.97

00:00:21.620 You know, I know some guys and I think they're ridiculous 0.94

00:00:25.080 that it really like completes them,

00:00:29.140 The idea that they'd be watching a Disney movie cuddling under the covers and I abhor that whole idea, you know, there's nothing about that that appeals to me.

00:00:40.380 And I don't know. I mean, maybe it's temperament.

00:00:43.320 Maybe it's some kind of a spiritual gift, but I just never nothing about that ever appealed to me.

00:00:50.260 And maybe that's just the type of person I am.

00:00:52.600 This is just one episode of a 10-part series

00:00:56.040 with perhaps the most controversial man in America,

00:01:00.000 namely Nicholas J. Fuentes.

00:01:02.960 Now, the whole series will eventually be made public right here

00:01:07.480 with one new episode dropping each week on Wednesday.

00:01:12.180 And we're not just talking about Nick's childhood experiences

00:01:15.360 or what he did in college back in the day.

00:01:18.260 No, we're focusing our exclusive attention

00:01:20.880 on what Nick believes.

00:01:23.900 What is it that Nick really thinks about race,

00:01:27.060 women, Trump, Israel, Jews, masculinity, and even more?

00:01:32.280 That's what this series is all about.

00:01:34.880 It's a one-stop shop to focus on the core tenets

00:01:38.460 of Nick Fuentes' beliefs

00:01:40.520 on the major headline issues of our day.

00:01:44.540 Now, you're gonna have to wait a total of 10 weeks

00:01:47.540 for this to slow drip out to the public.

00:01:49.760 However, for those of you who may be interested, you can binge watch all 10 episodes ad-free today by heading over to Patreon.com and searching NXR Studios.

00:02:02.940 And now, back to our show.

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00:03:05.740 Radical Christian nationalist pastor.

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00:03:34.100 Let's talk about masculinity.

00:03:36.500 The reason I want to bring it up, it's something that we talk about on our show quite often.

00:03:40.280 uh we talk about biblical patriarchy and the reason i wanted to talk to you about it is because

00:03:46.400 i've seen some clips and here's the thing i i get it you know like for you it's at a much higher

00:03:53.280 degree but the concept is similar like i've been clipped out a million times and i'm like wait

00:03:58.140 that's not the full context and then also your show is unique because it's like an hour of like

00:04:03.500 here's the news this is what's going on it's serious and then an hour of like just being a

00:04:08.380 goofball with the super chats you know what i mean and so people like they'll pick out like a

00:04:12.300 super chat and say he said this and he believes it with everything in his heart and it's like

00:04:16.460 i think he was joking you know so masculinity the one clip that i'm thinking of and we can start

00:04:21.740 there but i'd like to just get your views wholesale uh but you were talking about you know

00:04:26.000 peak masculinity is virtually you didn't say it exactly like this but asexual if you're like peak

00:04:32.700 man you live on a mountain in the himalayas you know something like that in the woods you're 0.66

00:04:38.020 swinging an axe and uh you're so one with god and nature and um so um otherworldly that you forget 0.99

00:04:46.900 that you even have you know a penis between your legs you know you're just like um and and so for 0.99

00:04:53.300 me like i that you know like i think that part of this and so i'm curious what you think but i think 0.99

00:04:58.660 part of it actually might be a catholic protestant divide yes and i'm not trying to offend the

00:05:03.300 catholics but that actually and so i'm not saying this in a mean-spirited way but i actually think

00:05:08.420 that view is kind of consistent with catholicism because when i think like if i was a catholic

00:05:13.800 and i want to be the most valuable god-honoring like benevolent to the world person i possibly

00:05:23.300 i'd probably pursue the priesthood which is asexual position right it's protestants where

00:05:30.740 It's like, you've got pastors like me who have so many kids,

00:05:34.000 you have to buy the bus, you know, the mini bus to drive.

00:05:36.600 So that's kind of like a distinctly Protestant thing.

00:05:39.420 Now Catholics, obviously like Catholics have big families,

00:05:41.780 but when you think of like, because the way you worded it,

00:05:44.340 it was not average masculinity.

00:05:46.080 The average Catholic probably should have lots of kids and has historically,

00:05:49.940 but you were saying like peak masculine, like one with God,

00:05:53.700 one with the universe, one with nature, you know,

00:05:56.240 and just not thinking about sex.

00:05:58.680 And so I thought, immediately, Catholic priest, is that part of what was in your mind?

00:06:02.980 Yes, 100%.

00:06:03.920 And I have had this debate with Protestants, with Mormons, actually, because, and I'm not

00:06:09.900 familiar with all the Protestant theology, but I believe Protestants think that you should

00:06:14.040 have a family.

00:06:15.160 It's actually like a good thing, whereas Catholics see it more of as a concession from God, 0.93

00:06:21.060 that marriage is a concession. 0.99

00:06:21.980 A distraction.

00:06:22.200 not a distraction but that the uh the institution of marriage was given to us as a concession

00:06:30.160 because saint paul says it's better for man to be alone right but we can have a wife and it's

00:06:37.420 viewed more as like um an accommodation for mankind than it is a positive good in and of

00:06:43.160 itself um and so it does come from a very catholic place because catholics have a strong tradition of

00:06:50.300 monasteries you know monastic life ascetic life uh and really the complete repudiation of

00:06:56.680 the world of the flesh and pursuing a life of modesty poverty chastity and we see that as

00:07:05.560 actually the most uh the highest spiritual life like you said uh like it is for a priest where

00:07:12.120 a priest doesn't take a wife because he's focused on god his only commitment is to god

00:07:16.640 so and it was from that place and and that is an unironic that's my unironic opinion that was not

00:07:24.020 a joke at all no i could tell that one i was like i you know he's saying it in in a humorous way

00:07:29.280 but i was like no i think there actually are religious implications under this there's a

00:07:33.980 reason right and um so yeah i i do believe and i identify that with masculinity i think that uh

00:07:41.960 the priesthood i think that the monastic life is the most masculine manly thing that a guy can do

00:07:49.280 and that's not my prescription for every man right because i tell my followers all the time i said

00:07:54.480 you know the vast majority of people they should get married that is what is best better better to

00:07:59.640 uh to marry than to burn with passion right like if you're it's like well i'm gonna stay single so

00:08:05.160 that i uh can do all these things in my work life and career but i'm just gonna be you know sleeping

00:08:10.440 around all the time well then now you should get married right but if a guy like actually is capable

00:08:16.240 you know like he and i i believe it's a supernatural gift so like like what you're

00:08:20.080 referencing with saint paul first corinthians chapter seven where he talks about celibacy

00:08:24.280 a lot of guys will say singleness is a gift i think singleness is actually a curse but i think

00:08:29.760 celibacy is a gift and so if you have the gift of celibacy then then all the negative effects

00:08:35.720 the loneliness you know the difficult not having a helpmate right eve is given to adam as a help

00:08:40.220 me. So like a life of loneliness in terms of companionship, a life of having to do a lot of

00:08:46.860 things yourself instead of having to help mate. I think that those are net negatives. So I think

00:08:53.260 that's the suffering piece. But the supernatural ability not to be overcome by fleshly appetites

00:09:02.020 to where you could be single and have those challenges, but not sin, that's celibacy. So

00:09:09.700 celibacy is a gift singleness um is just a state of life is the way that i would and then paul also

00:09:16.900 says like um you know the man who's married his interests are divided how he can please the lord

00:09:22.220 but also how he can please his wife whereas the one who is single uh can be in full devotion to

00:09:27.240 the lord and that's why he you know that's the argument that he gives for why it's better he

00:09:31.440 says um i think it's better to remain as i am speaking of himself um being single but he says

00:09:37.940 to each one is given a gift and so marriage is a gift um and celibacy is a gift so he's saying if

00:09:44.260 you have the gift of celibacy remain single so that you won't be divided in your interest and

00:09:49.840 if you don't have the gift of celibacy then then it's uh should be assumed that providentially god

00:09:55.520 has the gift of marriage awaiting so yeah i agree i agree and i think that um you're right for the

00:10:02.680 vast majority of people that's not really uh on the table it's all to see is not um because most

00:10:07.680 people have those like you said these very strong passions and like you said they burn with lust so

00:10:12.800 um for most people that that is their vocation is to be a husband and a father

00:10:17.620 but i i do think that it is the higher state to be celibate if you're called for that if like you

00:10:26.020 said you have that gift whether it's a monastic life or you're just celibate in general um and

00:10:31.700 and i push that yeah i don't think it has to mean clergy right i think you can be celibate for like

00:10:38.080 historically there are some guys where it's like this guy was not clergy but he was an inventor

00:10:43.920 innovator or a general in an army during a wartime it's like yeah there's no way he could

00:10:50.100 have been a husband right at least not well yeah and and i think that i like that uh catholic point

00:10:57.980 a view on it because I do tend to find that family can be another way that people are attached to

00:11:05.040 the world. I think that, you know, for a lot of people that say family is everything, in many

00:11:10.480 cases, they sometimes put their family over God or over their commitments to God or over what is

00:11:15.780 right. And so I think that it's important that we point towards aspirationally, that that is kind

00:11:22.560 of the pinnacle of masculinity is to be completely devoted to God, rather than thinking that the

00:11:27.960 pinnacle of masculinity is to be a ladies man which what some might say yeah um or or the family

00:11:34.380 man even necessarily uh or to do everything for your wife and kids but it's to do everything for

00:11:39.900 god so um that that i it is consistent like you said i think with the catholic faith yeah so i

00:11:47.260 view the family you know um the wife the children is kind of like the venue the context where for a

00:11:54.680 married man with a family, his masculinity is displayed where it's demonstrated. But I think

00:12:01.620 that being a husband and fatherhood can't be the source of masculinity. And I've noticed that

00:12:07.440 even among Protestants, that if somebody just asked the general question, what is biblical

00:12:14.620 masculinity? And nowhere in your definition is there anything outside of being a husband and

00:12:21.220 being a father, then you've essentially said that until marriage and family happen, you don't

00:12:27.540 actually have men and women. You have like this kind of androgynous blank slate, you know, that 0.58

00:12:35.460 human beings are basically blank slates and they become masculine and become feminine upon marriage 0.66

00:12:43.100 and family, but they're not prior. And I do think that being a husband and being a father is one

00:12:51.100 of the chief venues, not a source of masculinity, but one of the chief venues in which masculinity

00:12:56.720 shines. Um, but, um, but I think that the way that we define masculinity has to be more than

00:13:04.120 just, he's a great husband. He's a great father. Like there has to be something more fundamental,

00:13:10.060 more innate. It's like, like I have, you know, four daughters and one son, my son just, he's

00:13:16.420 barely three years old and um but it's like very clear he's a boy he has no wife he has no children

00:13:23.500 it's like yeah this guy like it's it's in his bones i mean we can dig up bones of like people

00:13:29.360 have been dead for centuries and just from the bone we can tell that was a man that was a woman

00:13:36.020 like it runs deep it's innate to who we are right yeah and i totally agree and i think that 0.95

00:13:42.020 um there is sort of a problem among protestants and catholics among christians i think in general

00:13:48.820 that a lot of these guys uh they do define their masculinity sort of contingent on the women in

00:13:56.980 their lives their girlfriends their spouse um and you know i would say that there's like a lot of

00:14:04.400 simping going on yeah and i think that uh in a sense they're kind of losing their i would say

00:14:11.160 that there's something masculine about not being contingent

00:14:14.040 and not being contingent on another person

00:14:17.840 or on a family like that.

00:14:19.460 And I agree that you have to find a source of masculinity

00:14:22.680 that doesn't just come from your relation

00:14:24.980 to your wife or kids.

00:14:27.140 Right, it seems ironic. 0.67

00:14:28.300 Like, so basically what makes a man a woman? 0.98

00:14:31.700 Right, right. 1.00

00:14:33.040 So a woman is what makes you become a man. 1.00

00:14:37.560 That's kind of, that's just where we are right now. 1.00

00:14:40.440 I think culturally and, and all that has seeped into the church is, uh, okay. Yeah. Well, men,

00:14:45.820 yeah, they're called to protect and provide and they are the head of the home. Um, well, you know,

00:14:51.460 in what context can they lead wherever their wife gives them permission? Right. That's it's, I mean,

00:14:58.000 we still, it's a gynocracy. I mean, like we have two forms of leaders. We have female leaders and

00:15:03.360 female adjacent women of both sexes. You know what I mean? That's just kind of where we are as a 1.00

00:15:08.160 country which is really sad empathetic right embarrassing it is and i i think that's why

00:15:14.400 especially lately and it's sort of to my chagrin i think it's sort of a missed opportunity

00:15:19.580 now the biggest proponents of masculinity are people that are secular or muslim right that's

00:15:26.640 why it's become extremely attractive to young men to be pagan in some cases to be muslim and

00:15:33.120 take multiple lives or to be completely secular because you know in the elephant in the room is

00:15:40.020 a guy like Andrew Tate who he has become the face and the avatar of masculinity in a culture that

00:15:46.100 is completely gynocratic and feminist and he's somebody who I don't believe in terms of virtue

00:15:53.040 isn't necessarily a role model right he's not Christian or Catholic right he's not in favor of

00:15:58.540 monogamy he's not in favor of um you could say moral restraint or discipline uh because he's

00:16:04.840 he has this life where he's uh running these camera websites he has a harem yeah he has a

00:16:11.240 harem um but unlike almost any catholic unlike almost any i would say even regular protestant

00:16:20.460 christian non-denominational christian he's actually forcefully reasserting male autonomy

00:16:26.820 and male leadership, I would say even better,

00:16:29.340 and masculinity against feminism 0.94

00:16:31.500 where you're not getting that from Christians at all. 0.83

00:16:34.780 I tell people all the time, 0.79

00:16:35.920 like if you don't like Andrew Tate, I get it. 0.99

00:16:39.040 But you have Christian men to blame. 1.00

00:16:41.980 Yeah. 0.92

00:16:42.960 I mean, Andrew Tate, nature abhors a vacuum.

00:16:48.360 Andrew Tate filled the vacuum. 1.00

00:16:50.120 He looked and saw, oh, all the Christian men are effeminate. 1.00

00:16:54.360 and so he just stepped in and just with a little bit of like it's like how did you do this you know

00:17:00.180 like um a little bit of ambition i chose not to be 300 pounds like work like some exercise some

00:17:08.000 ambition uh some business dealings and it was pretty much that easy to get a following on the

00:17:14.060 backdrop of a nation and a church within the nation that is uh has such a vacuum for men

00:17:22.680 for masculinity, which is sad. Um, let's, if you don't mind and you just talk about what you're

00:17:30.860 comfortable with, but let's talk about you specifically. Um, so, you know, you said like

00:17:36.620 that, you know, you're chopping down wood on top of the mountain, you know, you're not thinking

00:17:39.980 about women, you're not thinking about marriage, you're not thinking about sex or any of those

00:17:43.460 things. Um, you're just kind of one with God, one with nature doing your thing. Um, I think there's

00:17:50.320 a lot of truth to that. I think some of it, like I already said, we've discussed, I think some of

00:17:56.500 that stems from your faith that you're Catholic, whereas I'm Protestant. So I'm going to root

00:18:02.480 masculinity not in marriage and family, but I am going to give probably more value to marriage and

00:18:12.000 family, especially in the case of the clergy, than you would. You would see it as a compromise.

00:18:17.460 So I think part of it is the difference between us

00:18:19.560 is the Catholic-Protestant divide.

00:18:21.220 But also part of the difference is the personal divide.

00:18:24.500 You're 27 and single.

00:18:26.000 I'm married and have five kids.

00:18:28.040 And so, you know, thinking about you personally, individually,

00:18:32.620 you strike me as an obsessive person and all the best ways.

00:18:38.280 And I'm sure some of the bad ways,

00:18:40.360 but like you're building an empire.

00:18:42.940 You're trying to take over the world.

00:18:44.680 or at least take over the country, you know, and make a difference.

00:18:50.060 Your life does not seem like a day-to-day basis conducive whatsoever to marriage and family.

00:18:57.160 And there have been men like that throughout history that, you know,

00:19:00.580 there's been pockets of history and not just pockets,

00:19:03.160 actually long periods where the average eligible bachelor was 35 years old.

00:19:08.500 like he he spent the first couple decades of adulthood um achieving pursuing building and

00:19:16.860 then beckoned a wife into a life that he had already established so that she didn't have to

00:19:22.180 go through all the hell you know to get there you know like i think of the last 10 years of your life

00:19:28.440 and uh it probably would have been miserable i mean it already was but um you're a guy and it

00:19:34.620 was probably hard like women i i mpcs right non-player you know character uh but also like

00:19:42.160 naturally pursuing consensus women just that's the default setting it's the factory setting i think 1.00

00:19:47.620 for every woman is like people say like even if we win you know how how will the women come along 0.99

00:19:53.040 because uh they're all you know liberal and progressive and i'm like no they're not like

00:19:57.020 not ideologically so right right like they they um the irony is it's like we have all these

00:20:02.980 rebellious women against authority no they're actually doing what women have always done 1.00

00:20:07.260 throughout all of history they're submitting to authority the problem is the authority the 0.86

00:20:11.100 reigning authority is a libtard progressive anti-america anti-god authority and the moment 0.92

00:20:16.940 that that shifts right so i don't have to go around changing hearts and minds with each 0.97

00:20:20.860 individual woman like i'm called to do that with my wife and you know with my daughters and 0.60

00:20:24.660 but when i think of women in america as a whole all i have to do is dethrone the current king 0.91

00:20:30.660 right because that's what they're doing is like they're they're being individuals and sticking 0.98

00:20:35.180 it to the man no they're not they're submitting to the man the man just sucks so i just have to 0.98

00:20:39.800 beat him right and and all of a sudden the chip on the back of their head will be replaced with 0.95

00:20:43.700 a new chip and everybody will be making sourdough and wearing sundresses and you know and we'll be 1.00

00:20:48.300 fine that's that's my view i think that's the way that women are they naturally pursue consensus 0.99

00:20:53.660 but because of that you take a woman just imagine the last 10 years and she's your wife with that

00:21:00.160 default setting of naturally pursuing consensus and you're arguably the most hated man in america

00:21:06.220 like i mean you could have you could have been divorced like seven times by now yeah you know

00:21:12.220 what i mean it could have been really really rough so do you think you'll get married eventually

00:21:16.080 because it does seem like i mean plenty of people hate you you're still i mean you you got welcomed

00:21:20.820 on to spotify and then immediately banned right back up like but it does seem like the tide is

00:21:25.520 turning. I could see maybe not tomorrow, but I think in the near future where it's like you

00:21:30.880 actually are kind of established. Still people hate you, but you're, it's like, you're kind of,

00:21:36.620 you kind of made it. You kind of made it. And at that point, like, I feel like marriage could be

00:21:41.540 in the cards in a way that it wasn't prior. Well, that's certainly true because for the past 10

00:21:47.180 years, it just would not have worked for all the reasons you said. And it was just a broader

00:21:53.040 culture, it was hard to have friends. And I said this to Candace Owens, I said, forget even about

00:21:57.480 marriage or a dating life, which requires a lot of trust, because you're intimate with a

00:22:04.060 romantic partner like that in a way that you aren't even with your closest friends,

00:22:09.500 which makes you more vulnerable. And if things go wrong, if they don't agree with your decisions,

00:22:15.740 or, you know, they look for the exit for whatever reason. And this has been true in right-wing

00:22:21.080 politics for a long time. In fact, I know a lot of people, they get accused of rape. They get

00:22:27.000 accused of sexual assault. Like you said, many times it's divorce and it's life ruining. But

00:22:35.140 not only that, sometimes they'll go and spill secrets or information to the press. Like this

00:22:41.640 has all been very commonplace. And that has just been kind of the social environment. That's a

00:22:47.720 social landscape and women are the ultimate enforcers of conformity yeah so it's the legal 1.00

00:22:53.500 environment yes i mean all the courts are geared towards the woman all of it yeah you'll lose your 1.00

00:22:58.520 house right so so for the past 10 years it's just it's not even been in the cards to have really

00:23:06.700 any social life at all um it's a big reason why i don't drink either if i go out and i'm partying

00:23:13.360 and drinking, that's a vulnerability also. So it's been kind of like a fortress siege mentality

00:23:21.860 for as long as I've been doing this. And, you know, I would say even going back to the

00:23:26.640 conversation quickly about marriage, a big part, in my opinion, of being a man is being

00:23:32.360 entrepreneurial, risk-taking. And, you know, what a lot of people don't maybe factor in about

00:23:38.200 marriage is that once you get married your ability to take risks goes down dramatically

00:23:43.820 because when you're living or rather i should say when your wife and kids are dependent on you

00:23:49.460 you can't afford to die right and that means you can't risk anything where you might die or be

00:23:55.140 imprisoned and you also can't do anything that rocks the boat too much because you need a steady

00:24:00.840 income you need um and you know you can take risks within reason and some risks are unavoidable but

00:24:05.980 you know it i joke on my show it's like every tv show that you love is about a guy who's trying to

00:24:13.220 build an empire but like the wife is nagging him because it's too chaotic or disruptive or risky

00:24:18.540 um so there there's those reasons too i feel obligated to get married but i'm gonna be honest

00:24:26.000 i don't really want to it hasn't been the biggest sacrifice for me right uh to not be married you

00:24:33.960 know and i could lean on that and say you know it's for religious reasons or something but i try

00:24:42.380 to be as honest as possible on my show and say it's really just not my interest some people

00:24:48.920 and we all know some guys that they're completely obsessed with chasing women and that's all they

00:24:55.780 that will make them happy is to get married and have kids and and some men less so me i would say

00:25:03.040 that was never something that, um, was very meaningful to me. Anything social, anything

00:25:09.220 emotional, anything intimate, uh, for me. And you, you know, you're right. I'm a very obsessive

00:25:15.180 person. I don't think I'm autistic, but I do. Friend. Yeah. You've got to be a little autistic, 0.75

00:25:24.160 maybe a little on spectrum, but I would say that, you know, whatever the diagnosis, I I'm

00:25:29.180 extremely preoccupied with what i do right it hasn't been a great sacrifice because i love what

00:25:36.660 i do right um so i think it's become possible and i certainly feel obligated to and i i like

00:25:43.920 the idea of it having kids and having a family but um it's gonna be a chore for me it's really

00:25:49.620 gonna be i'm gonna have to work at it it's something that doesn't come easily to me let's

00:25:54.120 put it that way well yeah so i mean that's what i figured that seems obvious now one of the

00:25:59.740 encouraging things about just the way that god built the world and the way that uh the way that

00:26:03.880 life seems to work is that um work and the fruits of labor compound um and and so they compound with

00:26:12.200 time and therefore with age and so you know you can work like 12 hour days in your 20s and get

00:26:19.620 this much return. And then you can do, you know, uh, one, you become wiser, you become more

00:26:25.280 effective, you become more experienced, more efficient. Um, you also have more resources

00:26:29.780 later on to where you can delegate and outsource and all these different things. Um, you know,

00:26:34.980 and so I do think that there's, there's something like one of the hardest stages of life is

00:26:40.200 finding who you are and establishing, you know, what it is, your vocation and what it is that

00:26:45.980 you're called to do not just work not just job but vocation calling um and that's really really

00:26:52.120 tough later on though um it's entirely conceivable that you could have an exponentially larger impact

00:27:00.460 with half the effort not now that doesn't mean that personally that you would be willing to do

00:27:06.540 that you strike me as the kind of guy you're like okay if i can get 10 times the impact with half

00:27:11.280 the effort. Well, I could also get 20 times the impact, you know, by doing the same amount of

00:27:15.980 effort and you love what you do. And so I think, you know, your wife will probably, and you before

00:27:22.280 the Lord and before her, if you do get married, will constantly have to, um, to battle the

00:27:27.780 temptation to, um, to idolize your work above your family. Like you strike. I mean, most guys deal

00:27:34.680 with that to some extent and pretty much the only guys who don't are, if they were honest, are guys

00:27:39.740 who it's because their work isn't meaningful.

00:27:42.240 They hate what they do.

00:27:43.700 Anybody who has a sense of not just a job,

00:27:45.920 but vocation is constantly going to have to recenter himself

00:27:49.380 in terms of putting his family above his job,

00:27:52.840 you know, and then of course,

00:27:53.960 putting the Lord above it all.

00:27:55.940 Okay, so that's like in terms of work and vocation,

00:27:59.160 you know, these last 10 years

00:28:00.680 and maybe for the foreseeable future,

00:28:03.200 you know, practically speaking in terms of time,

00:28:05.500 in terms of all the heat and the controversy

00:28:08.020 and these kinds of things,

00:28:09.040 a wife marriage would not have been conducive um beyond that though and this is you know you can

00:28:14.740 decline to answer of course but um beyond just the work and your you know your life your personality

00:28:20.820 and what you're doing um you do seem like when you were when again going back to this illustration

00:28:26.840 of swinging the axe part part of me felt like is he talking about himself like are you like

00:28:34.540 obviously you are obsessed and, and just, you know, and just passionate about what you do.

00:28:40.940 But are, is it more than that? Is it more than just, I love what I do and I can do it 14 hours

00:28:45.820 a day? Or is there also like, yeah, I don't really think about marriage much. And I don't

00:28:51.720 actually think about women much. Well, I love solace. I love being alone. And I just don't,

00:28:59.240 i'm not a very social or emotional or sexual even person that's kind of what i'm getting at

00:29:05.940 so we've talked about celibacy i know this is weird but i like as soon as i saw that clip

00:29:12.040 and you know and and everybody's like well nick is gay you know or whatever like you know because

00:29:16.800 because you smiled at someone once or whatever it is um but i thought i wonder if nick might be

00:29:23.880 celibate i wonder if god gave him like that supernatural gift have you ever thought about

00:29:29.640 that um not particularly i i just think it's really more of a temperament thing i think it's

00:29:35.880 more you know because i i just don't uh you know if you watch my show i find it very difficult to

00:29:43.900 get along with anybody in any context i'm aware yeah and um and it's it's been a real struggle

00:29:50.780 of my entire life because, uh, I, I don't really see people very much in my life. I'm very alone.

00:29:57.880 And, um, but I like that. I like the silence. I like, uh, having complete control over my

00:30:04.840 environment. Um, so it, like you said, I mean, marriage and it would be an easy answer to say,

00:30:12.080 well, I'm just celibate because I'm so religious, but, um, I really just don't see myself as someone

00:30:19.400 that could share my interior life my interior space when i think about even being married to

00:30:27.960 me there there's very little that's appealing to me about it um and like i said for some men

00:30:34.600 they can't live without some of these things right a social life a romantic life and sex

00:30:41.160 being a big one i mean even biblically like not trying to be crude but the apostle paul like when

00:30:46.120 you think of like well what are the purposes for marriage like what are god's you know built-in

00:30:51.100 purposes like procreation of course and that's good like be fruitful multiply that's the cultural

00:30:55.940 mandate that we see you know dominion in the very beginning so procreation uh that's one of them

00:31:02.140 uh companionship right it's not good for man to be alone god sees adam before he made it so

00:31:06.900 companionship um and help a helpmate so that's mission like that she can actually serve the 0.98

00:31:12.640 man's and the man is not her helpmate this is not a mutual thing women all the time would be like 0.96

00:31:16.460 yeah but you need to be her helpmate too no no she is my assistant a cherished assistant

00:31:22.940 loved assistant but no i'm we are not mutual assistants um i have a calling from god i'm

00:31:29.540 pursuing that it's like well she has a calling from god too yes her calling is to help me in my

00:31:33.760 calling that's her calling right right you know and one of the biggest ways she's helps is uh

00:31:38.500 keeping five little people alive when I'm gone, you know, working, um, you know, raising, uh,

00:31:44.300 our children, but yeah. So companionship, um, an aid in the mission, uh, procreation to fill the

00:31:50.620 earth with image bearing creatures that hopefully by God's grace would be converted and worshipers

00:31:55.940 of the triune God. Um, but what I'm getting at is one of the major new Testament cited purposes for

00:32:02.440 marriage, uh, is to, um, as a hedge against temptation so that you don't screw up your

00:32:08.080 life sexually like that, like, and, and women especially don't like that. Cause it doesn't

00:32:14.260 sound romantic at all. It's like, Hey baby, you know, like, uh, it's in my vows, you know,

00:32:18.540 on your wedding day, it's like, uh, what, you know, you're saying like why you're marrying

00:32:21.680 the person. It's like, I'm marrying you because I love you so much. Um, and, uh, and I think

00:32:27.920 you'll be really good to help me not sleep with a hundred other people.

00:32:31.400 And he was like, really? And, and that doesn't sound great,

00:32:34.380 but it's literally in the Bible. Like if a man burns with passion,

00:32:37.920 let him marry. Why? So that, so that that desire would have a,

00:32:45.060 a ethical, holy venue to be fulfilled so that he would avoid falling into

00:32:52.200 sexual sin. So in other words, and maybe there's a gradation,

00:32:56.060 a sliding scale here, like not just, you know, a switch like celibate and just thinking about sex

00:33:02.460 24 seven. I'm sure there's some in between, but listening to some of your stuff and, and spending

00:33:09.300 a little bit of time with you this week in person, I just thought like, okay, maybe he has the gift

00:33:14.420 of celibacy. And if not, he definitely on that scale of like the dude, who's a total horndog

00:33:20.440 that's thinking about chicks all the time. It's just pretty much a slave to sex. You definitely 1.00

00:33:25.820 don't seem like that yeah and i i never really have been yeah um and you know it's not that i

00:33:32.680 don't have sexual thoughts i do it's just that um that is not what drives me that's not what

00:33:40.280 drives my life it's not what occupies my thoughts most of the time and the trade-off that's involved

00:33:47.720 in and even pursuing sex for that matter i talk about it on my show the whole prospect of

00:33:52.960 you know courtship and everything like that it just um seems very tedious to me and basically

00:33:59.960 just not worth i i so dislike that aspect of it it's just not even worth it to me

00:34:05.200 um and then beyond that i mean marriage in general some people and i talk about this on my show too

00:34:12.760 a lot of men they love the idea of physical contact cuddling affection basically and intimacy

00:34:21.380 and me i'm the complete opposite like i really do not find that appealing at all and the idea of it

00:34:29.680 you know lately i've had a lot of female fans that are texting me they dm me i don't dm them back

00:34:35.940 and they make edits about me and i i think about it and i just don't even see myself in a kind of

00:34:46.520 role like that um and by that i mean like a domestic scene right you know i know some guys

00:34:52.840 and i think they're ridiculous that they it really like completes them the idea that they'd

00:34:59.880 be watching a disney movie cuddling under the covers and i abhor that whole idea you know

00:35:06.960 um there's nothing about that that appeals to me and i don't know i mean maybe

00:35:11.300 it's temperament maybe it's um some kind of a spiritual gift but i just never nothing about

00:35:18.860 that ever appealed to me and uh maybe that's just the type of person i am but um but needless to say

00:35:26.300 that's just never something that's driven my life forward but i think that as i as i get older i'll

00:35:31.400 say this i don't want to be like a 40 year old single man i think that's extremely cringe um

00:35:39.420 and i said on my show recently it's like there's sort of two bad options i i don't really love

00:35:45.580 seeing myself as a husband and saying like my wife there's something else about getting older

00:35:50.960 sort of like once you get married it's like okay we're kind of in the end game here um but at the

00:35:57.480 same time it's maybe worse not to be married yeah and so what's worse if you are in the end game

00:36:04.140 and not married. Right. Like, I mean, if you're, you know, if you're young and single, that's one

00:36:09.300 thing, but when you're old and single, not great, not fun. Yeah. And like marriage is, I mean,

00:36:16.660 there's so many things in life that have, you know, inherent value, but are also socially

00:36:20.780 signs of status. Like when someone is, um, you know, pushing up in years and single, I think we

00:36:28.360 old society just instinctively thinks what's wrong with them right like are they just a total jerk 0.98

00:36:35.120 or are they you know that they're undisciplined or you know like it actually says something like 0.99

00:36:39.720 even even the people who hate me like absolutely hate me uh they wish that i was single because 0.71

00:36:46.180 it'd be easier to hate me they're like because it's really hard to say like this guy's a monster

00:36:50.160 when he has you know his white blonde smiling adoring wife and his five children you know

00:36:55.960 running up to him, four of them being daughters saying, daddy, you know, like, it's like, I mean,

00:37:01.360 it's, it's, it's just hard to paint that picture. Right. Like someone is just utterly evil when

00:37:06.120 there's, you know, there's six people in his life that adore him, you know? So it is kind of, um,

00:37:11.640 it's almost like a resume, like the wife and kids. And, and so it's just like when you're 15

00:37:17.800 and you don't have Harvard on your resume, uh, nobody, you know, assumes that that means that 1.00

00:37:23.560 you're stupid. It's like, well, he's only 15. He wouldn't have like, he wouldn't be able to go 1.00

00:37:28.360 Harvard even if, even if he was gifted and intelligent and capable. Um, but you know,

00:37:34.040 eventually the verdict comes back in. Like, I remember when I hit 30, like, cause when you're

00:37:38.460 22, you're like, I could be anything. But by the time I was 30, like the kind of guys that I

00:37:43.380 admired that I wanted to be like, I was able to look and say, where were they at 30? Oh,

00:37:47.680 they were speaking three languages. They were studying, you know, um, in England, you know,

00:37:52.080 whatever. Um, yeah, I think it's safe to say, I'm looking at, uh, this is my pedigree. This is

00:37:57.160 theirs. That ship sailed, you know, like that, uh, you know, God will use me however he wants

00:38:02.640 to use me, but it won't be like that. I'm not, I'm not that guy. If I was that guy, um, to think

00:38:07.980 that I would be where they are at 50, I would need to be somewhere where they were at 30. You see

00:38:13.880 what I'm saying? And I think the same kind of, so whether it's pedigree of education, you know, or,

00:38:19.220 earning potential and, you know, career. And I think that marriage and family is kind of like

00:38:25.560 just one of those benchmarks of a sign of credibility. You know, so there's a certain

00:38:31.280 point where it's like singleness can be advantageous. And then there's a certain

00:38:37.880 point where I think it becomes a liability. I don't know. I would say that that's certainly

00:38:43.540 true from a reputation point of view but at the same time there are so many risks these days of

00:38:49.640 being married yeah huge liability which and you know i think a lot of people will acknowledge

00:38:55.680 at least on our side that you don't want to be single and all that sort of thing but

00:39:00.440 few people acknowledge the real risks of being married and maybe that's because there's not a

00:39:06.080 good answer for that from a traditional christian point of view which is that the social and legal

00:39:12.160 climate it isn't what it is a hundred years ago and so a lot of people want to kind of role play

00:39:18.280 like it's the 1900s or the 1800s for that matter and and that works i think up to a point as long

00:39:25.460 as both parties are on the same page but as you know and i know because i have parents that are

00:39:30.960 still married that have been married for 35 years when you're married you're in it for the long haul

00:39:36.000 And people change over decades, over a long period of time. And in a environment where divorce is not only incentivized legally, but encouraged socially, you just really never know what is going to happen in the long run.

00:39:52.840 And especially for someone like myself, I don't think the risks ever really go away for something like that.

00:39:59.800 And that is actually a big concern for me.

00:40:02.960 It's not just that I'm preoccupied and I have to be very mobile and agile and able to take on risk.

00:40:11.320 And, you know, on some level, I have to be willing to die every day.

00:40:14.420 If you look at what happened to Charlie Kirk, I mean, and what almost happened to me, someone showed up to my house with a gun.

00:40:19.440 I mean, imagine if I had a wife and kids.

00:40:21.100 on some level it wouldn't be responsible for me to keep doing what i do uh but even beside that

00:40:28.000 it's that that's always could be the weakest link which is to say if the forces that i fight

00:40:37.680 against if they can't get to me if they can't tempt me if they can't trap me if they can't

00:40:43.380 get me vulnerable they'll always go for the person closest to you right and if that person is a woman 0.78

00:40:49.580 Right. Well, you might be in trouble because women are more vulnerable to that sort of thing than men. And they have a way of rationalizing. I don't want to say treachery or something, but women, I think, are a lot more malleable. They panic. 0.98

00:41:06.120 And so if you're in that siege mentality of everyone, which I think is very clear in my case, trying to kill me or knock me off or gossip about me, and then you bring someone into the fold, a woman who is a lot more, you know, I never panic. 0.82

00:41:24.980 but women that's sort of what they do it's there is something extremely risky about that and i do 0.59

00:41:31.480 think about that a lot even in the early stages of a relationship forget about marriage when

00:41:38.040 they're entitled to half your things and they share a home with you and they have your children

00:41:43.020 which is a big form of leverage even in those initial stages uh at what point do you take off

00:41:50.200 your mask at what point do you fully trust somebody even telling them where you live for

00:41:55.140 example right you know even telling them your address let's say in my case um that's just kind

00:42:02.160 of the life that i signed up for so you know i i want to get married i think at some point but

00:42:09.000 i i definitely don't feel any pressure to um because a lot of people want that for me or they

00:42:16.120 wish that I would, but they also don't live my life. Right. And they, they don't really understand

00:42:21.140 my life or me for that matter. So that's kind of where I come at it from. Yeah. There's a certain

00:42:26.680 assurance. And, you know, I think of the Proverbs that say, you know, uh, rejoice in the wife of

00:42:31.540 your youth always like, uh, not growing apart, um, continuing to, uh, to love her. Uh, but,

00:42:39.620 but just that last part, the wife of your youth, there's a certain assurance and meeting it's,

00:42:44.040 you know, someone being, um, a childhood friend before you became what you were, you know, what

00:42:49.860 you are, um, like there, there would be a certain security in knowing, like, let's say that, you

00:42:55.660 know, instead of blowing up into the stratosphere at 17, let's say it happened at 27, right? You're

00:43:02.000 age now. Um, but you met, you know, your sweetheart at 17 and you, you know, got married at 20. And

00:43:08.940 so you already have like seven years, the better part of a decade under your belt. And you know,

00:43:13.740 she loved you for you before anybody knew your name before any of these things happened and then

00:43:19.260 when those things do happen like there's like you never have to wonder you never have to question

00:43:23.840 and now like whoever you meet you will you like you will wonder you know like you'll like you're

00:43:31.520 like how big is her nose when you take her out on the first day like i said it not you you know but

00:43:37.180 like but i mean but seriously like it's people say that's silly no it's not it's not silly like

00:43:43.400 to think that um you know because because even if it's random you just meet her at a coffee shop

00:43:48.360 like uh the CIA or Mossad or whatever like to think that they would plant a woman in your path

00:43:55.760 a couple times like we've seen it in the movies you know like like so all right so that we're

00:43:59.640 following uh Nick we you know we've traced him we know his daily routine when he goes out in public

00:44:04.200 and so we're going to have this woman you know she's going to be regularly stationed in these

00:44:08.100 place is and then you know have some kind of seemingly natural you know bumping into nick

00:44:13.620 and having a conversation and i mean all that could be orchestrated absolutely it's like not

00:44:19.480 inconceivable at all um i you know so all that being said uh if you do get married how do you

00:44:27.320 think obviously you can you know you don't have a crystal ball but how would it happen i have no

00:44:32.600 idea and um i have no plan for it either right because you know you think about how people i

00:44:40.520 i think that normies let's say they have a hard time finding a wife right if you talk to normie

00:44:47.640 men who may not even share our politics period let alone be in politics how do they find a wife

00:44:54.300 it's uh it's the dating apps right maybe going to a bar i can't see myself doing either of those

00:45:01.540 things if you were on a dating app you would be mocked relentlessly forever yes like seriously i

00:45:07.360 mean it just it'd be screenshots posted everywhere you know like you can't exactly and going to a

00:45:13.960 bar for i mean how's the uh introduction gonna go hey like the most notorious like extremist in

00:45:21.000 america um so it'd have to be arranged in some way or like you said a family friend or something

00:45:30.280 although I don't know any like that.

00:45:32.540 It would have to be something of that nature.

00:45:35.220 But I always thought in the back of my mind

00:45:38.600 that if it was meant to be,

00:45:41.500 God will provide that in my life

00:45:43.840 and it will be unmistakable.

00:45:45.940 And if not, then maybe it's not meant to be.

00:45:49.020 But I'm definitely gonna get more serious

00:45:51.340 about pursuing that as I get older.

00:45:53.560 With each passing year, I think, all right,

00:45:55.980 maybe it's time now to start looking.

00:45:58.720 And it definitely, I will say, gets easier.

00:46:02.500 I seem to have come out on the other side of so much turbulence.

00:46:08.020 You're still hated, but I think it's safe to say you made it.

00:46:12.260 If they were going to take you out, I think in terms of the statistical likelihood, it was the last 10 years.

00:46:21.540 Like if they were going to be able to crush you because they threw everything at you.

00:46:26.040 That's true.

00:46:26.820 I would also say, though, certainly it's less turbulent now because for years I just the money was all over the place and getting attacked constantly.

00:46:36.500 It just was uncertain if I would ever achieve that, like lift off velocity, you know, the breakout velocity.

00:46:42.620 But the higher up the mountain you go, the more treacherous it becomes.

00:46:46.600 Yeah.

00:46:47.140 The more influence, the more power, the more you paint a target on your back.

00:46:51.980 And certainly I've got the attention of powerful people now.

00:46:54.900 and i would say it's maybe it's almost the opposite maybe it's more likely okay but it's

00:47:00.980 a different kind of threat well more likely in terms of like an assassination like a charlie

00:47:05.520 kirk situation yes i think moving forward more likely but in terms of the likelihood of you just

00:47:11.700 being you know silenced and suppressed and dying by you know a thousand paper cuts sure kind of

00:47:19.040 situation i feel like that um you've broken out and the genie's not going to go back in the bottom

00:47:23.800 Like even if Spotify never lets you on or YouTube never lets you on,

00:47:27.160 like it's at this point pretty inevitable.

00:47:30.520 I don't know.

00:47:31.340 I think it's still pretty fragile.

00:47:33.260 Okay.

00:47:33.880 And maybe that's PTSD on my part.

00:47:36.100 Yeah, maybe.

00:47:37.000 Because when you have been, had the rug pulled out from under you so many times,

00:47:43.420 you're always just waiting for the next shoe to drop.

00:47:45.820 Yeah.

00:47:46.280 You know, and don't get me wrong.

00:47:48.600 I'm optimistic, and I'm very pleasantly surprised by what has happened.

00:47:54.000 I never thought things would go in the opposite direction.

00:47:57.020 And by that, I mean censorship and cancel culture, political correctness.

00:48:02.280 It was our understanding that it would always get worse forever.

00:48:05.920 More censorship, it would just get more extreme.

00:48:08.320 Nothing surprises you.

00:48:09.960 So I definitely feel very good about where we are.

00:48:12.600 But having seen how things can turn on a dime and the pendulum swing back and forth, it does make me nervous.

00:48:21.560 I'm always a little uneasy.

00:48:23.380 So that's why I'll always have my guard up a little bit.

00:48:27.040 Last question. 0.86

00:48:28.060 So it'd be hard to meet a woman in person.

00:48:30.820 You'd never know, does she know me? 0.97

00:48:33.080 Is she an op?

00:48:33.740 Something like that.

00:48:35.020 What about mass?

00:48:37.100 Are you able to physically attend mass?

00:48:40.780 Yes.

00:48:41.240 I don't want to say how.

00:48:42.600 that's fine but i i attend mass in a way where i have more confidence that i won't be

00:48:48.900 identified and the trouble with something like that is i don't even want to say but

00:48:55.660 if someone is trying to let's say hurt you they observe your patterns you know when you leave the

00:49:03.380 house when you return you know in other words you're looking for predictable behaviors you're

00:49:09.300 looking for patterns so i try not to be predictable i try to break up the pattern a little bit so i'm

00:49:15.140 not going to get too detailed but maybe you can imagine yeah um but i mean are you asking about

00:49:20.360 meeting a woman at mass or something no i was just thinking just i was just thinking like i know

00:49:25.320 you're catholic but i just the thought crossed my mind i wonder if he ever gets to physically

00:49:30.200 attend mass so well i'll say this i i definitely have to avoid the uh traditional masses because 1.00

00:49:38.700 that's where all the groipers are going to be or my biggest detractors um you know and there

00:49:46.600 there have been stories floated online people make things up some woman said i got yelled at 0.93

00:49:53.740 at traditional mass by women and it's like that never happened but you know that if you go to

00:49:59.080 these things it then becomes a forum for everybody to give me their feedback right uh so i which i'm

00:50:04.760 not really interested in i don't go there for that purpose right um but but yeah like everything

00:50:10.880 else it's a logistical challenge yeah uh i imagine aside from that and traveling you i'm if i was you

00:50:19.720 i probably just wouldn't leave my house do you stay home most of the time i do i almost never

00:50:24.540 leave that's what i figured i mean these days you can order everything have everything delivered so

00:50:29.080 i kind of imagine you a hermit of sorts which i like right yeah which leads us full circle all

00:50:37.380 the way back to the beginning the guy you know all alone swinging the axe i felt like when you

00:50:42.300 said that i mean you were being goofy in the way that you were saying it you know you had a smile

00:50:45.920 on your face but i thought no he he really means that and i think uh for two reasons i think

00:50:50.560 what he just depicted is catholic and also it's him that's kind of you know like i think he's

00:50:58.240 describing something that actually does stem out of Catholicism in a way that it's foreign to

00:51:04.420 Protestants, but then also something that I think is unique to him as an individual. So thanks for

00:51:10.300 the show. Appreciate it. And we'll see everybody in the next episode. For those of you who may not

00:51:15.660 be aware, I have the immense privilege of also serving as president for a sister organization

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00:51:29.760 Ministries. Our focus with this organization is to train and equip pastors and congregants

00:51:37.700 in the Protestant church, primarily the Evangelical church, right here in America.

00:51:44.080 What are we trying to train them in? Well, let's just say we're trying to help Evangelical

00:51:49.340 Protestant churches in America to stop being so insufferable, to stop being Zionist shills, 0.54

00:51:56.440 to be engaged, not apathetic, but activated the realm of politics and culture. The things that

00:52:03.700 you've been hearing in this series that myself and Nick Fuentes are talking about, we want to

00:52:09.380 see Protestant churches right here in America apply these things to get in the game, to win

00:52:15.640 our country back. We want to see evangelicals and Protestants in America actually be America first,

00:52:23.680 not serving a foreign country at the expense of our own interest, but serving Christ and serving

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The NXR Podcast - January 14, 2026

THE SPECIAL - Nick Fuentes Is Right And Wrong About Masculinity (w⧸Nick Fuentes) - EP3

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