The NXR Podcast - January 14, 2026


THE SPECIAL - Nick Fuentes Is Right And Wrong About Masculinity (w⧸Nick Fuentes) - EP3

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Andrew Tate Nick Fuentes Joel Webin Jerry Falwell Menachem Begin Candace Owens Charlie Kirk Proverbs
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Nick Fuentes is a pastor, writer, and podcaster. In this episode, Nick shares his thoughts on race, women, Israel, masculinity, and much more. He also discusses his relationship with God and how he came to believe in the concept of the priesthood.

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00:00:00 You know, lately I've had a lot of female fans
00:00:02 that are texting me, they DM me, I don't DM them back
00:00:06 and they make edits about me and I think about it
00:00:10 and I just don't even see myself in a kind of role like that.
00:00:18 And by that, I mean like a domestic scene. 0.97
00:00:21 You know, I know some guys and I think they're ridiculous 0.94
00:00:25 that it really like completes them,
00:00:29 The idea that they'd be watching a Disney movie cuddling under the covers and I abhor that whole idea, you know, there's nothing about that that appeals to me.
00:00:40 And I don't know. I mean, maybe it's temperament.
00:00:43 Maybe it's some kind of a spiritual gift, but I just never nothing about that ever appealed to me.
00:00:50 And maybe that's just the type of person I am.
00:00:52 This is just one episode of a 10-part series
00:00:56 with perhaps the most controversial man in America,
00:01:00 namely Nicholas J. Fuentes.
00:01:02 Now, the whole series will eventually be made public right here
00:01:07 with one new episode dropping each week on Wednesday.
00:01:12 And we're not just talking about Nick's childhood experiences
00:01:15 or what he did in college back in the day.
00:01:18 No, we're focusing our exclusive attention
00:01:20 on what Nick believes.
00:01:23 What is it that Nick really thinks about race,
00:01:27 women, Trump, Israel, Jews, masculinity, and even more?
00:01:32 That's what this series is all about.
00:01:34 It's a one-stop shop to focus on the core tenets
00:01:38 of Nick Fuentes' beliefs
00:01:40 on the major headline issues of our day.
00:01:44 Now, you're gonna have to wait a total of 10 weeks
00:01:47 for this to slow drip out to the public.
00:01:49 However, for those of you who may be interested, you can binge watch all 10 episodes ad-free today by heading over to Patreon.com and searching NXR Studios.
00:02:02 And now, back to our show.
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00:03:05 Radical Christian nationalist pastor.
00:03:09 Joel Webben.
00:03:10 Joel Webben.
00:03:10 I'm going to talk about Joel Webben.
00:03:12 Joel Wappin is an accident.
00:03:34 Let's talk about masculinity.
00:03:36 The reason I want to bring it up, it's something that we talk about on our show quite often.
00:03:40 uh we talk about biblical patriarchy and the reason i wanted to talk to you about it is because
00:03:46 i've seen some clips and here's the thing i i get it you know like for you it's at a much higher
00:03:53 degree but the concept is similar like i've been clipped out a million times and i'm like wait
00:03:58 that's not the full context and then also your show is unique because it's like an hour of like
00:04:03 here's the news this is what's going on it's serious and then an hour of like just being a
00:04:08 goofball with the super chats you know what i mean and so people like they'll pick out like a
00:04:12 super chat and say he said this and he believes it with everything in his heart and it's like
00:04:16 i think he was joking you know so masculinity the one clip that i'm thinking of and we can start
00:04:21 there but i'd like to just get your views wholesale uh but you were talking about you know
00:04:26 peak masculinity is virtually you didn't say it exactly like this but asexual if you're like peak
00:04:32 man you live on a mountain in the himalayas you know something like that in the woods you're 0.66
00:04:38 swinging an axe and uh you're so one with god and nature and um so um otherworldly that you forget 0.99
00:04:46 that you even have you know a penis between your legs you know you're just like um and and so for 0.99
00:04:53 me like i that you know like i think that part of this and so i'm curious what you think but i think 0.99
00:04:58 part of it actually might be a catholic protestant divide yes and i'm not trying to offend the
00:05:03 catholics but that actually and so i'm not saying this in a mean-spirited way but i actually think
00:05:08 that view is kind of consistent with catholicism because when i think like if i was a catholic
00:05:13 and i want to be the most valuable god-honoring like benevolent to the world person i possibly
00:05:23 i'd probably pursue the priesthood which is asexual position right it's protestants where
00:05:30 It's like, you've got pastors like me who have so many kids,
00:05:34 you have to buy the bus, you know, the mini bus to drive.
00:05:36 So that's kind of like a distinctly Protestant thing.
00:05:39 Now Catholics, obviously like Catholics have big families,
00:05:41 but when you think of like, because the way you worded it,
00:05:44 it was not average masculinity.
00:05:46 The average Catholic probably should have lots of kids and has historically,
00:05:49 but you were saying like peak masculine, like one with God,
00:05:53 one with the universe, one with nature, you know,
00:05:56 and just not thinking about sex.
00:05:58 And so I thought, immediately, Catholic priest, is that part of what was in your mind?
00:06:02 Yes, 100%.
00:06:03 And I have had this debate with Protestants, with Mormons, actually, because, and I'm not
00:06:09 familiar with all the Protestant theology, but I believe Protestants think that you should
00:06:14 have a family.
00:06:15 It's actually like a good thing, whereas Catholics see it more of as a concession from God, 0.93
00:06:21 that marriage is a concession. 0.99
00:06:21 A distraction.
00:06:22 not a distraction but that the uh the institution of marriage was given to us as a concession
00:06:30 because saint paul says it's better for man to be alone right but we can have a wife and it's
00:06:37 viewed more as like um an accommodation for mankind than it is a positive good in and of
00:06:43 itself um and so it does come from a very catholic place because catholics have a strong tradition of
00:06:50 monasteries you know monastic life ascetic life uh and really the complete repudiation of
00:06:56 the world of the flesh and pursuing a life of modesty poverty chastity and we see that as
00:07:05 actually the most uh the highest spiritual life like you said uh like it is for a priest where
00:07:12 a priest doesn't take a wife because he's focused on god his only commitment is to god
00:07:16 so and it was from that place and and that is an unironic that's my unironic opinion that was not
00:07:24 a joke at all no i could tell that one i was like i you know he's saying it in in a humorous way
00:07:29 but i was like no i think there actually are religious implications under this there's a
00:07:33 reason right and um so yeah i i do believe and i identify that with masculinity i think that uh
00:07:41 the priesthood i think that the monastic life is the most masculine manly thing that a guy can do
00:07:49 and that's not my prescription for every man right because i tell my followers all the time i said
00:07:54 you know the vast majority of people they should get married that is what is best better better to
00:07:59 uh to marry than to burn with passion right like if you're it's like well i'm gonna stay single so
00:08:05 that i uh can do all these things in my work life and career but i'm just gonna be you know sleeping
00:08:10 around all the time well then now you should get married right but if a guy like actually is capable
00:08:16 you know like he and i i believe it's a supernatural gift so like like what you're
00:08:20 referencing with saint paul first corinthians chapter seven where he talks about celibacy
00:08:24 a lot of guys will say singleness is a gift i think singleness is actually a curse but i think
00:08:29 celibacy is a gift and so if you have the gift of celibacy then then all the negative effects
00:08:35 the loneliness you know the difficult not having a helpmate right eve is given to adam as a help
00:08:40 me. So like a life of loneliness in terms of companionship, a life of having to do a lot of
00:08:46 things yourself instead of having to help mate. I think that those are net negatives. So I think
00:08:53 that's the suffering piece. But the supernatural ability not to be overcome by fleshly appetites
00:09:02 to where you could be single and have those challenges, but not sin, that's celibacy. So
00:09:09 celibacy is a gift singleness um is just a state of life is the way that i would and then paul also
00:09:16 says like um you know the man who's married his interests are divided how he can please the lord
00:09:22 but also how he can please his wife whereas the one who is single uh can be in full devotion to
00:09:27 the lord and that's why he you know that's the argument that he gives for why it's better he
00:09:31 says um i think it's better to remain as i am speaking of himself um being single but he says
00:09:37 to each one is given a gift and so marriage is a gift um and celibacy is a gift so he's saying if
00:09:44 you have the gift of celibacy remain single so that you won't be divided in your interest and
00:09:49 if you don't have the gift of celibacy then then it's uh should be assumed that providentially god
00:09:55 has the gift of marriage awaiting so yeah i agree i agree and i think that um you're right for the
00:10:02 vast majority of people that's not really uh on the table it's all to see is not um because most
00:10:07 people have those like you said these very strong passions and like you said they burn with lust so
00:10:12 um for most people that that is their vocation is to be a husband and a father
00:10:17 but i i do think that it is the higher state to be celibate if you're called for that if like you
00:10:26 said you have that gift whether it's a monastic life or you're just celibate in general um and
00:10:31 and i push that yeah i don't think it has to mean clergy right i think you can be celibate for like
00:10:38 historically there are some guys where it's like this guy was not clergy but he was an inventor
00:10:43 innovator or a general in an army during a wartime it's like yeah there's no way he could
00:10:50 have been a husband right at least not well yeah and and i think that i like that uh catholic point
00:10:57 a view on it because I do tend to find that family can be another way that people are attached to
00:11:05 the world. I think that, you know, for a lot of people that say family is everything, in many
00:11:10 cases, they sometimes put their family over God or over their commitments to God or over what is
00:11:15 right. And so I think that it's important that we point towards aspirationally, that that is kind
00:11:22 of the pinnacle of masculinity is to be completely devoted to God, rather than thinking that the
00:11:27 pinnacle of masculinity is to be a ladies man which what some might say yeah um or or the family
00:11:34 man even necessarily uh or to do everything for your wife and kids but it's to do everything for
00:11:39 god so um that that i it is consistent like you said i think with the catholic faith yeah so i
00:11:47 view the family you know um the wife the children is kind of like the venue the context where for a
00:11:54 married man with a family, his masculinity is displayed where it's demonstrated. But I think
00:12:01 that being a husband and fatherhood can't be the source of masculinity. And I've noticed that
00:12:07 even among Protestants, that if somebody just asked the general question, what is biblical
00:12:14 masculinity? And nowhere in your definition is there anything outside of being a husband and
00:12:21 being a father, then you've essentially said that until marriage and family happen, you don't
00:12:27 actually have men and women. You have like this kind of androgynous blank slate, you know, that 0.58
00:12:35 human beings are basically blank slates and they become masculine and become feminine upon marriage 0.66
00:12:43 and family, but they're not prior. And I do think that being a husband and being a father is one
00:12:51 of the chief venues, not a source of masculinity, but one of the chief venues in which masculinity
00:12:56 shines. Um, but, um, but I think that the way that we define masculinity has to be more than
00:13:04 just, he's a great husband. He's a great father. Like there has to be something more fundamental,
00:13:10 more innate. It's like, like I have, you know, four daughters and one son, my son just, he's
00:13:16 barely three years old and um but it's like very clear he's a boy he has no wife he has no children
00:13:23 it's like yeah this guy like it's it's in his bones i mean we can dig up bones of like people
00:13:29 have been dead for centuries and just from the bone we can tell that was a man that was a woman
00:13:36 like it runs deep it's innate to who we are right yeah and i totally agree and i think that 0.95
00:13:42 um there is sort of a problem among protestants and catholics among christians i think in general
00:13:48 that a lot of these guys uh they do define their masculinity sort of contingent on the women in
00:13:56 their lives their girlfriends their spouse um and you know i would say that there's like a lot of
00:14:04 simping going on yeah and i think that uh in a sense they're kind of losing their i would say
00:14:11 that there's something masculine about not being contingent
00:14:14 and not being contingent on another person
00:14:17 or on a family like that.
00:14:19 And I agree that you have to find a source of masculinity
00:14:22 that doesn't just come from your relation
00:14:24 to your wife or kids.
00:14:27 Right, it seems ironic. 0.67
00:14:28 Like, so basically what makes a man a woman? 0.98
00:14:31 Right, right. 1.00
00:14:33 So a woman is what makes you become a man. 1.00
00:14:37 That's kind of, that's just where we are right now. 1.00
00:14:40 I think culturally and, and all that has seeped into the church is, uh, okay. Yeah. Well, men,
00:14:45 yeah, they're called to protect and provide and they are the head of the home. Um, well, you know,
00:14:51 in what context can they lead wherever their wife gives them permission? Right. That's it's, I mean,
00:14:58 we still, it's a gynocracy. I mean, like we have two forms of leaders. We have female leaders and
00:15:03 female adjacent women of both sexes. You know what I mean? That's just kind of where we are as a 1.00
00:15:08 country which is really sad empathetic right embarrassing it is and i i think that's why
00:15:14 especially lately and it's sort of to my chagrin i think it's sort of a missed opportunity
00:15:19 now the biggest proponents of masculinity are people that are secular or muslim right that's
00:15:26 why it's become extremely attractive to young men to be pagan in some cases to be muslim and
00:15:33 take multiple lives or to be completely secular because you know in the elephant in the room is
00:15:40 a guy like Andrew Tate who he has become the face and the avatar of masculinity in a culture that
00:15:46 is completely gynocratic and feminist and he's somebody who I don't believe in terms of virtue
00:15:53 isn't necessarily a role model right he's not Christian or Catholic right he's not in favor of
00:15:58 monogamy he's not in favor of um you could say moral restraint or discipline uh because he's
00:16:04 he has this life where he's uh running these camera websites he has a harem yeah he has a
00:16:11 harem um but unlike almost any catholic unlike almost any i would say even regular protestant
00:16:20 christian non-denominational christian he's actually forcefully reasserting male autonomy
00:16:26 and male leadership, I would say even better,
00:16:29 and masculinity against feminism 0.94
00:16:31 where you're not getting that from Christians at all. 0.83
00:16:34 I tell people all the time, 0.79
00:16:35 like if you don't like Andrew Tate, I get it. 0.99
00:16:39 But you have Christian men to blame. 1.00
00:16:41 Yeah. 0.92
00:16:42 I mean, Andrew Tate, nature abhors a vacuum.
00:16:48 Andrew Tate filled the vacuum. 1.00
00:16:50 He looked and saw, oh, all the Christian men are effeminate. 1.00
00:16:54 and so he just stepped in and just with a little bit of like it's like how did you do this you know
00:17:00 like um a little bit of ambition i chose not to be 300 pounds like work like some exercise some
00:17:08 ambition uh some business dealings and it was pretty much that easy to get a following on the
00:17:14 backdrop of a nation and a church within the nation that is uh has such a vacuum for men
00:17:22 for masculinity, which is sad. Um, let's, if you don't mind and you just talk about what you're
00:17:30 comfortable with, but let's talk about you specifically. Um, so, you know, you said like
00:17:36 that, you know, you're chopping down wood on top of the mountain, you know, you're not thinking
00:17:39 about women, you're not thinking about marriage, you're not thinking about sex or any of those
00:17:43 things. Um, you're just kind of one with God, one with nature doing your thing. Um, I think there's
00:17:50 a lot of truth to that. I think some of it, like I already said, we've discussed, I think some of
00:17:56 that stems from your faith that you're Catholic, whereas I'm Protestant. So I'm going to root
00:18:02 masculinity not in marriage and family, but I am going to give probably more value to marriage and
00:18:12 family, especially in the case of the clergy, than you would. You would see it as a compromise.
00:18:17 So I think part of it is the difference between us
00:18:19 is the Catholic-Protestant divide.
00:18:21 But also part of the difference is the personal divide.
00:18:24 You're 27 and single.
00:18:26 I'm married and have five kids.
00:18:28 And so, you know, thinking about you personally, individually,
00:18:32 you strike me as an obsessive person and all the best ways.
00:18:38 And I'm sure some of the bad ways,
00:18:40 but like you're building an empire.
00:18:42 You're trying to take over the world.
00:18:44 or at least take over the country, you know, and make a difference.
00:18:50 Your life does not seem like a day-to-day basis conducive whatsoever to marriage and family.
00:18:57 And there have been men like that throughout history that, you know,
00:19:00 there's been pockets of history and not just pockets,
00:19:03 actually long periods where the average eligible bachelor was 35 years old.
00:19:08 like he he spent the first couple decades of adulthood um achieving pursuing building and
00:19:16 then beckoned a wife into a life that he had already established so that she didn't have to
00:19:22 go through all the hell you know to get there you know like i think of the last 10 years of your life
00:19:28 and uh it probably would have been miserable i mean it already was but um you're a guy and it
00:19:34 was probably hard like women i i mpcs right non-player you know character uh but also like
00:19:42 naturally pursuing consensus women just that's the default setting it's the factory setting i think 1.00
00:19:47 for every woman is like people say like even if we win you know how how will the women come along 0.99
00:19:53 because uh they're all you know liberal and progressive and i'm like no they're not like
00:19:57 not ideologically so right right like they they um the irony is it's like we have all these
00:20:02 rebellious women against authority no they're actually doing what women have always done 1.00
00:20:07 throughout all of history they're submitting to authority the problem is the authority the 0.86
00:20:11 reigning authority is a libtard progressive anti-america anti-god authority and the moment 0.92
00:20:16 that that shifts right so i don't have to go around changing hearts and minds with each 0.97
00:20:20 individual woman like i'm called to do that with my wife and you know with my daughters and 0.60
00:20:24 but when i think of women in america as a whole all i have to do is dethrone the current king 0.91
00:20:30 right because that's what they're doing is like they're they're being individuals and sticking 0.98
00:20:35 it to the man no they're not they're submitting to the man the man just sucks so i just have to 0.98
00:20:39 beat him right and and all of a sudden the chip on the back of their head will be replaced with 0.95
00:20:43 a new chip and everybody will be making sourdough and wearing sundresses and you know and we'll be 1.00
00:20:48 fine that's that's my view i think that's the way that women are they naturally pursue consensus 0.99
00:20:53 but because of that you take a woman just imagine the last 10 years and she's your wife with that
00:21:00 default setting of naturally pursuing consensus and you're arguably the most hated man in america
00:21:06 like i mean you could have you could have been divorced like seven times by now yeah you know
00:21:12 what i mean it could have been really really rough so do you think you'll get married eventually
00:21:16 because it does seem like i mean plenty of people hate you you're still i mean you you got welcomed
00:21:20 on to spotify and then immediately banned right back up like but it does seem like the tide is
00:21:25 turning. I could see maybe not tomorrow, but I think in the near future where it's like you
00:21:30 actually are kind of established. Still people hate you, but you're, it's like, you're kind of,
00:21:36 you kind of made it. You kind of made it. And at that point, like, I feel like marriage could be
00:21:41 in the cards in a way that it wasn't prior. Well, that's certainly true because for the past 10
00:21:47 years, it just would not have worked for all the reasons you said. And it was just a broader
00:21:53 culture, it was hard to have friends. And I said this to Candace Owens, I said, forget even about
00:21:57 marriage or a dating life, which requires a lot of trust, because you're intimate with a
00:22:04 romantic partner like that in a way that you aren't even with your closest friends,
00:22:09 which makes you more vulnerable. And if things go wrong, if they don't agree with your decisions,
00:22:15 or, you know, they look for the exit for whatever reason. And this has been true in right-wing
00:22:21 politics for a long time. In fact, I know a lot of people, they get accused of rape. They get
00:22:27 accused of sexual assault. Like you said, many times it's divorce and it's life ruining. But
00:22:35 not only that, sometimes they'll go and spill secrets or information to the press. Like this
00:22:41 has all been very commonplace. And that has just been kind of the social environment. That's a
00:22:47 social landscape and women are the ultimate enforcers of conformity yeah so it's the legal 1.00
00:22:53 environment yes i mean all the courts are geared towards the woman all of it yeah you'll lose your 1.00
00:22:58 house right so so for the past 10 years it's just it's not even been in the cards to have really
00:23:06 any social life at all um it's a big reason why i don't drink either if i go out and i'm partying
00:23:13 and drinking, that's a vulnerability also. So it's been kind of like a fortress siege mentality
00:23:21 for as long as I've been doing this. And, you know, I would say even going back to the
00:23:26 conversation quickly about marriage, a big part, in my opinion, of being a man is being
00:23:32 entrepreneurial, risk-taking. And, you know, what a lot of people don't maybe factor in about
00:23:38 marriage is that once you get married your ability to take risks goes down dramatically
00:23:43 because when you're living or rather i should say when your wife and kids are dependent on you
00:23:49 you can't afford to die right and that means you can't risk anything where you might die or be
00:23:55 imprisoned and you also can't do anything that rocks the boat too much because you need a steady
00:24:00 income you need um and you know you can take risks within reason and some risks are unavoidable but
00:24:05 you know it i joke on my show it's like every tv show that you love is about a guy who's trying to
00:24:13 build an empire but like the wife is nagging him because it's too chaotic or disruptive or risky
00:24:18 um so there there's those reasons too i feel obligated to get married but i'm gonna be honest
00:24:26 i don't really want to it hasn't been the biggest sacrifice for me right uh to not be married you
00:24:33 know and i could lean on that and say you know it's for religious reasons or something but i try
00:24:42 to be as honest as possible on my show and say it's really just not my interest some people
00:24:48 and we all know some guys that they're completely obsessed with chasing women and that's all they
00:24:55 that will make them happy is to get married and have kids and and some men less so me i would say
00:25:03 that was never something that, um, was very meaningful to me. Anything social, anything
00:25:09 emotional, anything intimate, uh, for me. And you, you know, you're right. I'm a very obsessive
00:25:15 person. I don't think I'm autistic, but I do. Friend. Yeah. You've got to be a little autistic, 0.75
00:25:24 maybe a little on spectrum, but I would say that, you know, whatever the diagnosis, I I'm
00:25:29 extremely preoccupied with what i do right it hasn't been a great sacrifice because i love what
00:25:36 i do right um so i think it's become possible and i certainly feel obligated to and i i like
00:25:43 the idea of it having kids and having a family but um it's gonna be a chore for me it's really
00:25:49 gonna be i'm gonna have to work at it it's something that doesn't come easily to me let's
00:25:54 put it that way well yeah so i mean that's what i figured that seems obvious now one of the
00:25:59 encouraging things about just the way that god built the world and the way that uh the way that
00:26:03 life seems to work is that um work and the fruits of labor compound um and and so they compound with
00:26:12 time and therefore with age and so you know you can work like 12 hour days in your 20s and get
00:26:19 this much return. And then you can do, you know, uh, one, you become wiser, you become more
00:26:25 effective, you become more experienced, more efficient. Um, you also have more resources
00:26:29 later on to where you can delegate and outsource and all these different things. Um, you know,
00:26:34 and so I do think that there's, there's something like one of the hardest stages of life is
00:26:40 finding who you are and establishing, you know, what it is, your vocation and what it is that
00:26:45 you're called to do not just work not just job but vocation calling um and that's really really
00:26:52 tough later on though um it's entirely conceivable that you could have an exponentially larger impact
00:27:00 with half the effort not now that doesn't mean that personally that you would be willing to do
00:27:06 that you strike me as the kind of guy you're like okay if i can get 10 times the impact with half
00:27:11 the effort. Well, I could also get 20 times the impact, you know, by doing the same amount of
00:27:15 effort and you love what you do. And so I think, you know, your wife will probably, and you before
00:27:22 the Lord and before her, if you do get married, will constantly have to, um, to battle the
00:27:27 temptation to, um, to idolize your work above your family. Like you strike. I mean, most guys deal
00:27:34 with that to some extent and pretty much the only guys who don't are, if they were honest, are guys
00:27:39 who it's because their work isn't meaningful.
00:27:42 They hate what they do.
00:27:43 Anybody who has a sense of not just a job,
00:27:45 but vocation is constantly going to have to recenter himself
00:27:49 in terms of putting his family above his job,
00:27:52 you know, and then of course,
00:27:53 putting the Lord above it all.
00:27:55 Okay, so that's like in terms of work and vocation,
00:27:59 you know, these last 10 years
00:28:00 and maybe for the foreseeable future,
00:28:03 you know, practically speaking in terms of time,
00:28:05 in terms of all the heat and the controversy
00:28:08 and these kinds of things,
00:28:09 a wife marriage would not have been conducive um beyond that though and this is you know you can
00:28:14 decline to answer of course but um beyond just the work and your you know your life your personality
00:28:20 and what you're doing um you do seem like when you were when again going back to this illustration
00:28:26 of swinging the axe part part of me felt like is he talking about himself like are you like
00:28:34 obviously you are obsessed and, and just, you know, and just passionate about what you do.
00:28:40 But are, is it more than that? Is it more than just, I love what I do and I can do it 14 hours
00:28:45 a day? Or is there also like, yeah, I don't really think about marriage much. And I don't
00:28:51 actually think about women much. Well, I love solace. I love being alone. And I just don't,
00:28:59 i'm not a very social or emotional or sexual even person that's kind of what i'm getting at
00:29:05 so we've talked about celibacy i know this is weird but i like as soon as i saw that clip
00:29:12 and you know and and everybody's like well nick is gay you know or whatever like you know because
00:29:16 because you smiled at someone once or whatever it is um but i thought i wonder if nick might be
00:29:23 celibate i wonder if god gave him like that supernatural gift have you ever thought about
00:29:29 that um not particularly i i just think it's really more of a temperament thing i think it's
00:29:35 more you know because i i just don't uh you know if you watch my show i find it very difficult to
00:29:43 get along with anybody in any context i'm aware yeah and um and it's it's been a real struggle
00:29:50 of my entire life because, uh, I, I don't really see people very much in my life. I'm very alone.
00:29:57 And, um, but I like that. I like the silence. I like, uh, having complete control over my
00:30:04 environment. Um, so it, like you said, I mean, marriage and it would be an easy answer to say,
00:30:12 well, I'm just celibate because I'm so religious, but, um, I really just don't see myself as someone
00:30:19 that could share my interior life my interior space when i think about even being married to
00:30:27 me there there's very little that's appealing to me about it um and like i said for some men
00:30:34 they can't live without some of these things right a social life a romantic life and sex
00:30:41 being a big one i mean even biblically like not trying to be crude but the apostle paul like when
00:30:46 you think of like well what are the purposes for marriage like what are god's you know built-in
00:30:51 purposes like procreation of course and that's good like be fruitful multiply that's the cultural
00:30:55 mandate that we see you know dominion in the very beginning so procreation uh that's one of them
00:31:02 uh companionship right it's not good for man to be alone god sees adam before he made it so
00:31:06 companionship um and help a helpmate so that's mission like that she can actually serve the 0.98
00:31:12 man's and the man is not her helpmate this is not a mutual thing women all the time would be like 0.96
00:31:16 yeah but you need to be her helpmate too no no she is my assistant a cherished assistant
00:31:22 loved assistant but no i'm we are not mutual assistants um i have a calling from god i'm
00:31:29 pursuing that it's like well she has a calling from god too yes her calling is to help me in my
00:31:33 calling that's her calling right right you know and one of the biggest ways she's helps is uh
00:31:38 keeping five little people alive when I'm gone, you know, working, um, you know, raising, uh,
00:31:44 our children, but yeah. So companionship, um, an aid in the mission, uh, procreation to fill the
00:31:50 earth with image bearing creatures that hopefully by God's grace would be converted and worshipers
00:31:55 of the triune God. Um, but what I'm getting at is one of the major new Testament cited purposes for
00:32:02 marriage, uh, is to, um, as a hedge against temptation so that you don't screw up your
00:32:08 life sexually like that, like, and, and women especially don't like that. Cause it doesn't
00:32:14 sound romantic at all. It's like, Hey baby, you know, like, uh, it's in my vows, you know,
00:32:18 on your wedding day, it's like, uh, what, you know, you're saying like why you're marrying
00:32:21 the person. It's like, I'm marrying you because I love you so much. Um, and, uh, and I think
00:32:27 you'll be really good to help me not sleep with a hundred other people.
00:32:31 And he was like, really? And, and that doesn't sound great,
00:32:34 but it's literally in the Bible. Like if a man burns with passion,
00:32:37 let him marry. Why? So that, so that that desire would have a,
00:32:45 a ethical, holy venue to be fulfilled so that he would avoid falling into
00:32:52 sexual sin. So in other words, and maybe there's a gradation,
00:32:56 a sliding scale here, like not just, you know, a switch like celibate and just thinking about sex
00:33:02 24 seven. I'm sure there's some in between, but listening to some of your stuff and, and spending
00:33:09 a little bit of time with you this week in person, I just thought like, okay, maybe he has the gift
00:33:14 of celibacy. And if not, he definitely on that scale of like the dude, who's a total horndog
00:33:20 that's thinking about chicks all the time. It's just pretty much a slave to sex. You definitely 1.00
00:33:25 don't seem like that yeah and i i never really have been yeah um and you know it's not that i
00:33:32 don't have sexual thoughts i do it's just that um that is not what drives me that's not what
00:33:40 drives my life it's not what occupies my thoughts most of the time and the trade-off that's involved
00:33:47 in and even pursuing sex for that matter i talk about it on my show the whole prospect of
00:33:52 you know courtship and everything like that it just um seems very tedious to me and basically
00:33:59 just not worth i i so dislike that aspect of it it's just not even worth it to me
00:34:05 um and then beyond that i mean marriage in general some people and i talk about this on my show too
00:34:12 a lot of men they love the idea of physical contact cuddling affection basically and intimacy
00:34:21 and me i'm the complete opposite like i really do not find that appealing at all and the idea of it
00:34:29 you know lately i've had a lot of female fans that are texting me they dm me i don't dm them back
00:34:35 and they make edits about me and i i think about it and i just don't even see myself in a kind of
00:34:46 role like that um and by that i mean like a domestic scene right you know i know some guys
00:34:52 and i think they're ridiculous that they it really like completes them the idea that they'd
00:34:59 be watching a disney movie cuddling under the covers and i abhor that whole idea you know
00:35:06 um there's nothing about that that appeals to me and i don't know i mean maybe
00:35:11 it's temperament maybe it's um some kind of a spiritual gift but i just never nothing about
00:35:18 that ever appealed to me and uh maybe that's just the type of person i am but um but needless to say
00:35:26 that's just never something that's driven my life forward but i think that as i as i get older i'll
00:35:31 say this i don't want to be like a 40 year old single man i think that's extremely cringe um
00:35:39 and i said on my show recently it's like there's sort of two bad options i i don't really love
00:35:45 seeing myself as a husband and saying like my wife there's something else about getting older
00:35:50 sort of like once you get married it's like okay we're kind of in the end game here um but at the
00:35:57 same time it's maybe worse not to be married yeah and so what's worse if you are in the end game
00:36:04 and not married. Right. Like, I mean, if you're, you know, if you're young and single, that's one
00:36:09 thing, but when you're old and single, not great, not fun. Yeah. And like marriage is, I mean,
00:36:16 there's so many things in life that have, you know, inherent value, but are also socially
00:36:20 signs of status. Like when someone is, um, you know, pushing up in years and single, I think we
00:36:28 old society just instinctively thinks what's wrong with them right like are they just a total jerk 0.98
00:36:35 or are they you know that they're undisciplined or you know like it actually says something like 0.99
00:36:39 even even the people who hate me like absolutely hate me uh they wish that i was single because 0.71
00:36:46 it'd be easier to hate me they're like because it's really hard to say like this guy's a monster
00:36:50 when he has you know his white blonde smiling adoring wife and his five children you know
00:36:55 running up to him, four of them being daughters saying, daddy, you know, like, it's like, I mean,
00:37:01 it's, it's, it's just hard to paint that picture. Right. Like someone is just utterly evil when
00:37:06 there's, you know, there's six people in his life that adore him, you know? So it is kind of, um,
00:37:11 it's almost like a resume, like the wife and kids. And, and so it's just like when you're 15
00:37:17 and you don't have Harvard on your resume, uh, nobody, you know, assumes that that means that 1.00
00:37:23 you're stupid. It's like, well, he's only 15. He wouldn't have like, he wouldn't be able to go 1.00
00:37:28 Harvard even if, even if he was gifted and intelligent and capable. Um, but you know,
00:37:34 eventually the verdict comes back in. Like, I remember when I hit 30, like, cause when you're
00:37:38 22, you're like, I could be anything. But by the time I was 30, like the kind of guys that I
00:37:43 admired that I wanted to be like, I was able to look and say, where were they at 30? Oh,
00:37:47 they were speaking three languages. They were studying, you know, um, in England, you know,
00:37:52 whatever. Um, yeah, I think it's safe to say, I'm looking at, uh, this is my pedigree. This is
00:37:57 theirs. That ship sailed, you know, like that, uh, you know, God will use me however he wants
00:38:02 to use me, but it won't be like that. I'm not, I'm not that guy. If I was that guy, um, to think
00:38:07 that I would be where they are at 50, I would need to be somewhere where they were at 30. You see
00:38:13 what I'm saying? And I think the same kind of, so whether it's pedigree of education, you know, or,
00:38:19 earning potential and, you know, career. And I think that marriage and family is kind of like
00:38:25 just one of those benchmarks of a sign of credibility. You know, so there's a certain
00:38:31 point where it's like singleness can be advantageous. And then there's a certain
00:38:37 point where I think it becomes a liability. I don't know. I would say that that's certainly
00:38:43 true from a reputation point of view but at the same time there are so many risks these days of
00:38:49 being married yeah huge liability which and you know i think a lot of people will acknowledge
00:38:55 at least on our side that you don't want to be single and all that sort of thing but
00:39:00 few people acknowledge the real risks of being married and maybe that's because there's not a
00:39:06 good answer for that from a traditional christian point of view which is that the social and legal
00:39:12 climate it isn't what it is a hundred years ago and so a lot of people want to kind of role play
00:39:18 like it's the 1900s or the 1800s for that matter and and that works i think up to a point as long
00:39:25 as both parties are on the same page but as you know and i know because i have parents that are
00:39:30 still married that have been married for 35 years when you're married you're in it for the long haul
00:39:36 And people change over decades, over a long period of time. And in a environment where divorce is not only incentivized legally, but encouraged socially, you just really never know what is going to happen in the long run.
00:39:52 And especially for someone like myself, I don't think the risks ever really go away for something like that.
00:39:59 And that is actually a big concern for me.
00:40:02 It's not just that I'm preoccupied and I have to be very mobile and agile and able to take on risk.
00:40:11 And, you know, on some level, I have to be willing to die every day.
00:40:14 If you look at what happened to Charlie Kirk, I mean, and what almost happened to me, someone showed up to my house with a gun.
00:40:19 I mean, imagine if I had a wife and kids.
00:40:21 on some level it wouldn't be responsible for me to keep doing what i do uh but even beside that
00:40:28 it's that that's always could be the weakest link which is to say if the forces that i fight
00:40:37 against if they can't get to me if they can't tempt me if they can't trap me if they can't
00:40:43 get me vulnerable they'll always go for the person closest to you right and if that person is a woman 0.78
00:40:49 Right. Well, you might be in trouble because women are more vulnerable to that sort of thing than men. And they have a way of rationalizing. I don't want to say treachery or something, but women, I think, are a lot more malleable. They panic. 0.98
00:41:06 And so if you're in that siege mentality of everyone, which I think is very clear in my case, trying to kill me or knock me off or gossip about me, and then you bring someone into the fold, a woman who is a lot more, you know, I never panic. 0.82
00:41:24 but women that's sort of what they do it's there is something extremely risky about that and i do 0.59
00:41:31 think about that a lot even in the early stages of a relationship forget about marriage when
00:41:38 they're entitled to half your things and they share a home with you and they have your children
00:41:43 which is a big form of leverage even in those initial stages uh at what point do you take off
00:41:50 your mask at what point do you fully trust somebody even telling them where you live for
00:41:55 example right you know even telling them your address let's say in my case um that's just kind
00:42:02 of the life that i signed up for so you know i i want to get married i think at some point but
00:42:09 i i definitely don't feel any pressure to um because a lot of people want that for me or they
00:42:16 wish that I would, but they also don't live my life. Right. And they, they don't really understand
00:42:21 my life or me for that matter. So that's kind of where I come at it from. Yeah. There's a certain
00:42:26 assurance. And, you know, I think of the Proverbs that say, you know, uh, rejoice in the wife of
00:42:31 your youth always like, uh, not growing apart, um, continuing to, uh, to love her. Uh, but,
00:42:39 but just that last part, the wife of your youth, there's a certain assurance and meeting it's,
00:42:44 you know, someone being, um, a childhood friend before you became what you were, you know, what
00:42:49 you are, um, like there, there would be a certain security in knowing, like, let's say that, you
00:42:55 know, instead of blowing up into the stratosphere at 17, let's say it happened at 27, right? You're
00:43:02 age now. Um, but you met, you know, your sweetheart at 17 and you, you know, got married at 20. And
00:43:08 so you already have like seven years, the better part of a decade under your belt. And you know,
00:43:13 she loved you for you before anybody knew your name before any of these things happened and then
00:43:19 when those things do happen like there's like you never have to wonder you never have to question
00:43:23 and now like whoever you meet you will you like you will wonder you know like you'll like you're
00:43:31 like how big is her nose when you take her out on the first day like i said it not you you know but
00:43:37 like but i mean but seriously like it's people say that's silly no it's not it's not silly like
00:43:43 to think that um you know because because even if it's random you just meet her at a coffee shop
00:43:48 like uh the CIA or Mossad or whatever like to think that they would plant a woman in your path
00:43:55 a couple times like we've seen it in the movies you know like like so all right so that we're
00:43:59 following uh Nick we you know we've traced him we know his daily routine when he goes out in public
00:44:04 and so we're going to have this woman you know she's going to be regularly stationed in these
00:44:08 place is and then you know have some kind of seemingly natural you know bumping into nick
00:44:13 and having a conversation and i mean all that could be orchestrated absolutely it's like not
00:44:19 inconceivable at all um i you know so all that being said uh if you do get married how do you
00:44:27 think obviously you can you know you don't have a crystal ball but how would it happen i have no
00:44:32 idea and um i have no plan for it either right because you know you think about how people i
00:44:40 i think that normies let's say they have a hard time finding a wife right if you talk to normie
00:44:47 men who may not even share our politics period let alone be in politics how do they find a wife
00:44:54 it's uh it's the dating apps right maybe going to a bar i can't see myself doing either of those
00:45:01 things if you were on a dating app you would be mocked relentlessly forever yes like seriously i
00:45:07 mean it just it'd be screenshots posted everywhere you know like you can't exactly and going to a
00:45:13 bar for i mean how's the uh introduction gonna go hey like the most notorious like extremist in
00:45:21 america um so it'd have to be arranged in some way or like you said a family friend or something
00:45:30 although I don't know any like that.
00:45:32 It would have to be something of that nature.
00:45:35 But I always thought in the back of my mind
00:45:38 that if it was meant to be,
00:45:41 God will provide that in my life
00:45:43 and it will be unmistakable.
00:45:45 And if not, then maybe it's not meant to be.
00:45:49 But I'm definitely gonna get more serious
00:45:51 about pursuing that as I get older.
00:45:53 With each passing year, I think, all right,
00:45:55 maybe it's time now to start looking.
00:45:58 And it definitely, I will say, gets easier.
00:46:02 I seem to have come out on the other side of so much turbulence.
00:46:08 You're still hated, but I think it's safe to say you made it.
00:46:12 If they were going to take you out, I think in terms of the statistical likelihood, it was the last 10 years.
00:46:21 Like if they were going to be able to crush you because they threw everything at you.
00:46:26 That's true.
00:46:26 I would also say, though, certainly it's less turbulent now because for years I just the money was all over the place and getting attacked constantly.
00:46:36 It just was uncertain if I would ever achieve that, like lift off velocity, you know, the breakout velocity.
00:46:42 But the higher up the mountain you go, the more treacherous it becomes.
00:46:46 Yeah.
00:46:47 The more influence, the more power, the more you paint a target on your back.
00:46:51 And certainly I've got the attention of powerful people now.
00:46:54 and i would say it's maybe it's almost the opposite maybe it's more likely okay but it's
00:47:00 a different kind of threat well more likely in terms of like an assassination like a charlie
00:47:05 kirk situation yes i think moving forward more likely but in terms of the likelihood of you just
00:47:11 being you know silenced and suppressed and dying by you know a thousand paper cuts sure kind of
00:47:19 situation i feel like that um you've broken out and the genie's not going to go back in the bottom
00:47:23 Like even if Spotify never lets you on or YouTube never lets you on,
00:47:27 like it's at this point pretty inevitable.
00:47:30 I don't know.
00:47:31 I think it's still pretty fragile.
00:47:33 Okay.
00:47:33 And maybe that's PTSD on my part.
00:47:36 Yeah, maybe.
00:47:37 Because when you have been, had the rug pulled out from under you so many times,
00:47:43 you're always just waiting for the next shoe to drop.
00:47:45 Yeah.
00:47:46 You know, and don't get me wrong.
00:47:48 I'm optimistic, and I'm very pleasantly surprised by what has happened.
00:47:54 I never thought things would go in the opposite direction.
00:47:57 And by that, I mean censorship and cancel culture, political correctness.
00:48:02 It was our understanding that it would always get worse forever.
00:48:05 More censorship, it would just get more extreme.
00:48:08 Nothing surprises you.
00:48:09 So I definitely feel very good about where we are.
00:48:12 But having seen how things can turn on a dime and the pendulum swing back and forth, it does make me nervous.
00:48:21 I'm always a little uneasy.
00:48:23 So that's why I'll always have my guard up a little bit.
00:48:27 Last question. 0.86
00:48:28 So it'd be hard to meet a woman in person.
00:48:30 You'd never know, does she know me? 0.97
00:48:33 Is she an op?
00:48:33 Something like that.
00:48:35 What about mass?
00:48:37 Are you able to physically attend mass?
00:48:40 Yes.
00:48:41 I don't want to say how.
00:48:42 that's fine but i i attend mass in a way where i have more confidence that i won't be
00:48:48 identified and the trouble with something like that is i don't even want to say but
00:48:55 if someone is trying to let's say hurt you they observe your patterns you know when you leave the
00:49:03 house when you return you know in other words you're looking for predictable behaviors you're
00:49:09 looking for patterns so i try not to be predictable i try to break up the pattern a little bit so i'm
00:49:15 not going to get too detailed but maybe you can imagine yeah um but i mean are you asking about
00:49:20 meeting a woman at mass or something no i was just thinking just i was just thinking like i know
00:49:25 you're catholic but i just the thought crossed my mind i wonder if he ever gets to physically
00:49:30 attend mass so well i'll say this i i definitely have to avoid the uh traditional masses because 1.00
00:49:38 that's where all the groipers are going to be or my biggest detractors um you know and there
00:49:46 there have been stories floated online people make things up some woman said i got yelled at 0.93
00:49:53 at traditional mass by women and it's like that never happened but you know that if you go to
00:49:59 these things it then becomes a forum for everybody to give me their feedback right uh so i which i'm
00:50:04 not really interested in i don't go there for that purpose right um but but yeah like everything
00:50:10 else it's a logistical challenge yeah uh i imagine aside from that and traveling you i'm if i was you
00:50:19 i probably just wouldn't leave my house do you stay home most of the time i do i almost never
00:50:24 leave that's what i figured i mean these days you can order everything have everything delivered so
00:50:29 i kind of imagine you a hermit of sorts which i like right yeah which leads us full circle all
00:50:37 the way back to the beginning the guy you know all alone swinging the axe i felt like when you
00:50:42 said that i mean you were being goofy in the way that you were saying it you know you had a smile
00:50:45 on your face but i thought no he he really means that and i think uh for two reasons i think
00:50:50 what he just depicted is catholic and also it's him that's kind of you know like i think he's
00:50:58 describing something that actually does stem out of Catholicism in a way that it's foreign to
00:51:04 Protestants, but then also something that I think is unique to him as an individual. So thanks for
00:51:10 the show. Appreciate it. And we'll see everybody in the next episode. For those of you who may not
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