The NXR Podcast - THE SPECIAL - The New Right, Total Depravity, & The Gospel ｜ w⧸ Jake Shields

00:00:00.000 Their beliefs are all so similar with different gods.

00:00:02.600 Also, like you said, breeding with humans.

00:00:04.580 There's always, even the alien abductions,

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00:00:14.580 And this is like real, it's all through the emails.

00:00:16.400 And he's emailing top scientists,

00:00:17.980 it's not random people about bringing back

00:00:20.180 nandothraal babies, sequencing the genome

00:00:22.480 from the guy who had got a nandothraal bone.

00:00:25.380 Like there's all kinds of, I mean,

00:00:26.840 I've looked straight through the files myself.

00:00:28.260 I'm not like, you know, looking at other people saying on Twitter, this is all over the Epstein 0.57

00:00:32.200 files. But back to like I was saying, this whole breeding, crossbreeding with humans is in pretty 0.97

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00:01:43.780 Radical Christian nationalist pastor, Joel Webin.

00:01:47.780 Joel Webin?

00:01:48.960 I'm going to talk about Joel Webin.

00:01:50.860 Joel Webin is an excellent.

00:01:57.220 all right jake shields thank you for coming on the show i appreciate it yeah what what are you

00:02:15.660 known for you fight that's that's my traditional you know fighter i'm definitely way more known for

00:02:21.300 a fighter still but it's funny a lot of new people that are on twitter and stuff they see me as a

00:02:25.220 political guy and i am actually getting a lot more known for that too which is kind of weird

00:02:28.960 traditionally i was on twitter it was like 95 people know me from fighting now it's probably

00:02:33.420 like 65 and people from political because you know i had a great fighting career won five world

00:02:38.160 titles i was you know strike force champ which is back when the show was massive on cbs and uh

00:02:43.480 you know cbs and showtime you fought for the ufc title so i had a great fighting career

00:02:48.660 then i retired i was trying to live a nice peaceful life and then the government came

00:02:53.880 and shut the country down during COVID.

00:02:56.200 So I got, I turned radical, I guess, as they would say.

00:02:59.080 Right, yeah, 2020 radicalized a lot of guys,

00:03:02.100 many such cases.

00:03:03.840 So would you define, I understand that a lot of the argument

00:03:06.940 these days is shifting from less of the left versus right.

00:03:11.440 And there's more, you know,

00:03:12.500 there's just a lot of other issues.

00:03:14.280 Horseshoe theory is kind of a thing.

00:03:15.880 You know, there's a lot going on.

00:03:17.200 But if we use the left-right paradigm,

00:03:19.780 just to start the conversation,

00:03:21.560 would you be more on the left

00:03:22.880 or on the right politically?

00:03:23.880 well more on the right but it gets complex like i have a hard time in that paradigm i think

00:03:29.120 there are real issues in it and there are like there was these crazy leftists that they backed 0.97

00:03:33.420 off a little bit those complete lunatics trying to like say our kids could be women 0.99

00:03:36.800 right they're complete psychopaths but then you're seeing complete psychopaths on the right now too 0.98

00:03:40.780 like anything for israel the war for israel so i guess overall i lean more right but on some issues

00:03:47.180 like medical is one i've switched my position i think there should be a free universal health

00:03:51.840 care for everyone we also should have private hospitals but there should be something basic

00:03:55.500 i think the one that really got me is when i had to donate to my kids cancer charity my friend

00:04:00.000 you know they didn't have a lot of money and their kid had cancer and they kind of like paid

00:04:03.020 for the treatments and that was just like a wow yeah yeah i think the economic front is going to

00:04:08.500 that's going to become an incredibly complex conversation that a lot of your old school

00:04:13.620 right especially like libertarian guys or like any you know that's socialism and like i'm not

00:04:19.260 socialists i'm not a huge fan but what do you do if ai actually takes off and half of the country

00:04:25.660 is unemployed do they just starve yeah i've been worrying about this lately i think this is going

00:04:31.100 to be a big problem i think a lot of people are going to lose their jobs and like competent people

00:04:35.660 even like a lot of good jobs so it's not yeah it's one thing when you're drugged out you know

00:04:39.660 or you're lazy you're not willing to work the bible says like if you don't work you don't eat

00:04:43.580 but that's not talking about a quadriplegic who got hit by a truck that's talking about somebody

00:04:47.500 there's a moral issue they're not willing to work what do you do if half the country is willing to

00:04:51.900 work they actually have some kind of skills but it's all been replaced truck drivers replaced by

00:04:57.000 fsd you know all these so at that point it's like do you let half the country starve or do you

00:05:02.560 actually have to start having some nuanced complex conversations like add a little socialism like

00:05:07.500 i said and i'm not huge on that typically like you say but it's the reality you can't just let

00:05:11.320 these people starve it's going to cause unrest plus i have humanity i believe in helping people

00:05:16.440 you know i've grown i grew up around a lot of like poor lazy welfare people that are on drugs

00:05:21.040 they're you know their kids aren't eating because they're like trading their food stamps for drug

00:05:25.320 money so i've seen that i've seen like i'm not that you know sorrowful for a lot of these people

00:05:29.780 but like you said it's going to be i know people now that are intelligent looking for jobs and

00:05:34.280 they're struggling like taking less money like telling me they'll hire me and it's like i can

00:05:38.040 only afford to pay this way less than they should be get paying they're like i'll take it it's just

00:05:41.920 like the market's not good there's like a lot of people with really good job skills looking for

00:05:46.360 jobs and they're willing to take whatever yes absolutely so i feel like economically i think

00:05:51.340 i'm seeing a convergence of not not everybody but uh some individuals on the right some

00:05:57.000 individuals on the left some of this horseshoe theory you know kind of um starting to share

00:06:01.720 some things in common um on israel that's a big one we can talk about that in a moment but

00:06:06.520 same thing there's some people on the right you know who are anti-zionist aware of you know some

00:06:10.980 of the things that are going on and so there's some convergence between left and right some of

00:06:14.520 the individuals on israel uh the big to me the the big uh chasm that remains between the left

00:06:21.040 and the right is still some of the moral issues it's the lgbt mafia as i like to refer to it

00:06:26.060 uh abortion um that would be a big one and then another one i think is just immigration i i think

00:06:32.300 the left still kind of wants infinity immigration and is unwilling to acknowledge it's like oh

00:06:37.740 haitian somalians america same thing you know whereas the right kind of has let's be honest

00:06:43.620 like a lot of the right, you know, boomer conservatives go to sleep every night consoling

00:06:48.940 themselves, you know, even though they're destroying the economy, they're like, but at least I'm not a 0.67

00:06:52.600 racist, you know? So like, so there's some people on the, on the right that kind of hold to the

00:06:57.440 blank slate ism that everybody's just a fungible interchangeable widget. But I think there's at

00:07:03.120 least a growing contingency on the right that, that doesn't hate anyone, but would say, yeah,

00:07:08.080 different people are different. Yeah. There's distinctions, you know, and that I, do you know

00:07:12.980 anybody on the left who's would be like a race realist anybody i can't think of any off the top

00:07:19.080 of my head they're rare but these conversations we need to have and neither one of us are hateful

00:07:22.720 at all towards other races i mean i'm not trying to i don't think it's realistic to kick every other 0.98

00:07:26.900 race out of this country either it's not a realistic argument but we should stop i would 0.65

00:07:31.240 like america to stay mostly white and yes already kind of passed that's what i say i'm like yeah

00:07:35.560 majority white and people like well why it's like because it's our history it's our heritage even

00:07:40.500 And today, presently, it's still 59% white. 0.60

00:07:43.640 If it doesn't stay majority white, 0.59

00:07:45.200 because it currently is, 0.67

00:07:46.240 that means people are being replaced.

00:07:48.040 That's not a good thing. 0.96

00:07:49.460 So majority white, I think, 1.00

00:07:51.100 is a perfectly reasonable argument. 0.95

00:07:53.620 And I'm not of the persuasion that, you know,

00:07:55.820 like Clarence Thomas has to go back to Africa. 0.80

00:07:58.880 Like, you know, I know guys who will say that. 0.97

00:08:00.900 I'm like, guys, that's ridiculous.

00:08:02.360 Like Clarence Thomas, I'm grateful for him. 1.00

00:08:04.700 And so heritage blacks would remain. 1.00

00:08:06.920 You know, there would be some Hispanics

00:08:09.140 that helped fight in the Alamo who would remain good friends, people that I love. But I would

00:08:15.180 make a pretty sound argument for one, no more immigration from non-Western countries moving 1.00

00:08:20.740 forward. And then going back, I would like to go back to probably the Hart-Celler Act. Like anybody 0.99

00:08:27.000 who's come in the last 60 years, I'm not saying wholesale, but each of those cases, I would want

00:08:33.060 to revisit them. Some of them might get to stay because they've been upstanding citizens.

00:08:36.680 what they've done that makes sense if they've been great accomplished great citizens yeah all

00:08:40.500 illegal they've assimilated they speak fluent english they love the country yeah but i feel

00:08:44.640 like pretty much everyone back to 1965 i'm not saying back to the 1600s like descendants of

00:08:51.360 slaves but anyone who's they've only been here for 60 years since the heart seller act and they

00:08:57.680 still haven't assimilated i think you need to look and see what they did like you said they've

00:09:01.080 been huge patriotic americans not getting arrested not like you know speaking english building

00:09:06.740 businesses then they could stay but if they haven't if they've been if they're on government

00:09:10.400 assistance being negative then why would you let them stay exactly so um i but i i appreciate that

00:09:16.380 so i think we're on the same page in terms of like immigration um those kinds of that and i think

00:09:21.420 that's helpful for people because sometimes they hear a guy like you or a guy like me and they're

00:09:25.060 like um you know you're just a white nationalist you want america to be exclusively white and i'm

00:09:30.780 like, I like, here's the deal. I make no apology. It's not just okay to be white. It's good to be

00:09:35.680 white. God made me white. White people have done incredible things. They built the world. Praise 0.96

00:09:40.520 God. I love white people. My kids are white. I am pro white. Um, but that doesn't mean that I, 0.98

00:09:46.600 I think that no non-white person can be in America. Yeah. No, we're, we're the same. Like 0.99

00:09:51.380 it's okay to be white, which the ADL would call that hate speech. Correct. But you know, I think 0.98

00:09:55.600 some of these other people, some of my best friends aren't white and they're proud Americans 1.00

00:09:58.620 and they don't they also don't want to bring a bunch of immigrants over here yes and i've

00:10:02.280 actually talked to a few of these white nationalists because that they hope they hope

00:10:05.520 opened my mind up because i didn't realize the problem of the declining white people in every

00:10:09.700 western country and that's why they don't want to talk to these guys like when i talked to david

00:10:13.160 duke i think it was the first interview he'd done in like 10 years because no one talked to him

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00:10:25.480 they have a lot of um they're those are proud americans right there they have a lot of balls

00:10:29.720 the halls the hodge twins yeah you know they had they had nick fuentes on yeah they did that i set

00:10:33.800 that up too because i didn't have a podcast yet and i met nick and i i realized how he'd been

00:10:39.140 lied about because i believed he was a terrible racist person i talked to him like wow like they

00:10:43.120 just like they took away your voice and then they just slandered you how evil is that yeah no i mean

00:10:48.820 he was on a no-fly list he was debanked all those kinds of things we you know we did as you know we

00:10:53.960 did a long series and i've gotten to know him and um i mean there's things i disagree with like the

00:10:58.520 way that he words we flash sometimes yeah like sometimes i'm glad we're on good terms i'm like

00:11:02.480 oh nick but here's a deal like one thing you have to realize with nick is um sometimes he you know

00:11:08.600 he he actually means something and i just disagree but a lot of the times people like the the thing

00:11:14.220 that people hate the most like this clip that's you know notorious it's gone uber viral and they're

00:11:19.460 like that's why i don't like nick um you have to keep in mind like he's he is like an insanely

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00:11:32.860 comedian exactly he's so funny so it's hard you have his jokes some of it is a joke now some of

00:11:38.320 it's not yeah you know but and even i got some of it i've seen stuff making light up but then i'm

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00:11:47.020 yeah so like some of the stuff he said about the epstein stuff i'm like dude yeah this is not great

00:11:52.680 because it was right in the middle as we were coming out with our series and people were like

00:11:55.420 texting behind the scenes and like uh did you see what nick said and i'm like yeah i can't control

00:12:01.120 him i don't know how you can control you know i wish he didn't and then some of it i looked into

00:12:06.800 and it's like okay that time he was joking this time he has this explanation okay here's a

00:12:11.160 clarification here um but one thing though that i wasn't able to uh to have a disclaimer for is

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00:12:23.540 that sweatshirt right before all the new files came out right this about but then i think after

00:12:27.960 he got in a fight then if he pulled it back it would like look bad on his thing so that's why

00:12:32.100 i realized like all right i just gonna i don't like it but i'm just gonna let it go and still

00:12:35.360 be friends with him i'm not gonna let a friendship someone has been fighting for a decade right

00:12:40.380 before i have ruined a friendship over a sweatshirt that i really don't like right yeah so i don't

00:12:45.020 like the sweatshirt but you're absolutely right um nick was exercising courage on certain issues

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00:14:54.800 NXR26 for 15% off. Okay. So right versus left. I feel like I'm seeing some horseshoe theory

00:15:03.400 that could pan out in the future on some economic issues on israel i think the you know the right 0.66

00:15:09.700 is very pro-zionist but a lot of that's older people on the right boomers and so i can see

00:15:14.820 some horseshoe theory there uh the big thing that um i think still differentiates the two parties

00:15:20.940 would be um race immigration those kinds of things and then and then abortion and um lgbt

00:15:27.880 yeah abortion's one that i used i used to always be reluctantly pro-choice but then you know like

00:15:34.140 20 i got a girl pregnant in college and stuff and i just everyone was just like oh yeah i think i

00:15:39.240 was gonna abortion just the idea of killing my baby just disgusted me it just felt like praise

00:15:43.220 god i got ill at the thought of it and then had the baby and then i slowly kind of transformed

00:15:48.340 realizing like that's a life in there yes from the second it's conceived in my opinion you know

00:15:53.160 used to not believe that they say it's like a chunk of cells and like of course this can be

00:15:57.980 complex sometimes people have no money they're young but to say it's a clump of cells that's

00:16:02.280 just disgusting and vile yes amen that's so good to hear so yeah i think those are the big issues 0.88

00:16:07.720 it's the lgbt kind of uh sexual perversion stuff it's the abortion thing it's the immigration race 0.90

00:16:12.740 thing um those remain uh differences but economically and in terms of like geopolitically

00:16:18.640 i'm starting to see a convergence the question i want to ask you though is um you got the neocon

00:16:24.640 israel first miga you know right um and the neocons and maga i mean what's the difference

00:16:32.920 these days it's hard to tell sometimes there's not really a difference anymore i love trump but

00:16:36.440 it's been disappointing you know he disappointed me so bad it's like uh i didn't vote for him this

00:16:41.280 last election but i did the first two and it's just been like been shameful not great yep so

00:16:47.820 um but that's that's on its way out it really seems like MAGA is kind of I feel like they're

00:16:54.380 going to get kind of slaughtered in the midterms um I I mean Rubio or Vance you know I mean maybe

00:17:01.940 but you know so it seems as though MAGA may die with Trump neocon is kind of just barely hanging 0.80

00:17:09.720 on and I think that dies with the boomers uh so this whatever you want to call it America only

00:17:14.920 america first the new right so i i'm on the side this is where you and i probably differ the most

00:17:20.360 you're very open to this and i think respectful towards christians but but i think the big

00:17:25.720 difference between us is i i would be staunchly christian yeah um so i define it as like the new

00:17:31.660 christian right but putting that aside for a second let's just say the new right that includes

00:17:36.140 christians it includes non-christians um with with this emergence of the new right someone you know

00:17:42.920 from Candace, Tucker, Nick, you know, all that kind of, what do you think are the defining

00:17:50.280 characteristics of the new right? Well, that's complex, like you said,

00:17:55.420 because there's kind of a wide umbrella. So the way I look at it, okay, for one issue,

00:17:59.560 for example, Israel, all unite with everyone, including on the left. But if you say new right,

00:18:04.160 it's clearly anti-Israel. It doesn't want these like foreign wars, you know, strongly against

00:18:10.340 trans stuff against i would say probably against gay definitely against pushing gay stuff to kids

00:18:16.860 probably against gay marriage that's something again when that passed i was living in san

00:18:21.220 francisco i'm like oh it's fine and then i saw the debauchery it led to right you know you're 0.90

00:18:26.380 like oh it's never enough for them it's not no it's like hey just let us live our lives and then

00:18:31.060 it's like and clap celebrate love it you know and like and we're gonna be at your kid's school

00:18:36.280 and it's like okay there it is okay yeah my oldest daughter went to school by san francisco

00:18:41.980 ran up there and just the stuff they would teach her and then she would speak back to him that she

00:18:45.640 would get mad the newspaper she'd write articles that would against it they wouldn't publish them

00:18:49.680 just the way they were treated by the teachers and stuff you know i wish i was young back then

00:18:52.940 wish i'd been more involved and gone there and argued with the teachers i wasn't really political

00:18:56.500 and didn't quite realize how crazy it was but thankfully there was you know so many kids

00:19:01.180 identifying as trans people said this doesn't affect you i'm like yes i see it you know in

00:19:04.980 these liberal areas all these kids are identifying as trans mostly girls it's more people don't

00:19:08.700 realize there's a lot more girls that are suffering they're going through like puberty

00:19:12.440 and stuff and they go oh i can just be trans right so defining characteristics of the new right is

00:19:18.060 an anti-zionism israel anti-immigration i would say too definitely you're right anti-immigration

00:19:24.320 anti-israel anti would you say everyone on the new right would be not racist but a racialist or

00:19:31.560 race realist yeah but i think you could take in people that aren't whites though still you still

00:19:36.400 want them correct i don't mean they're all yeah but they all even if they're not white they

00:19:39.660 recognize yeah race is real like the hodge twins are half white exactly and they're like of course

00:19:44.280 race is real yeah i think lots of minorities are maybe just the friends i hang out with maybe so

00:19:48.800 maybe i'm seeing a also in the fight world too guys are a lot more never realized that being a

00:19:53.420 fighter my whole life you realize like how much more base these guys are yeah i really realize

00:19:56.600 it when covid hit and like the minorities are a lot more like not no one's whining about race

00:20:01.340 and stuff in a fight gym right right okay so those are some of the defining characteristics 0.58

00:20:06.320 uh now talking about the you know on the new right there are christians there are non-christians

00:20:11.360 what um what do you think i'm curious like from your perspective uh who do you think's

00:20:19.060 gonna win out when it's all like when it's all said and done um because i look at some of these

00:20:24.220 guys who it's like they have a very similar position to me we get there from different paths

00:20:30.200 but some similar conclusions on israel some similar conclusions on nationalism similar

00:20:36.680 conclusions on immigration all those kinds of things but they are like they don't like

00:20:41.940 christianity they even would go so far as to say christianity is a jewish psyop to week in the west

00:20:46.480 big push against that right now there is a lot of white people i'm i've talked to some of these

00:20:50.360 guys i'm trying to tell them like bro you're not going the right approach just say he's not jewish

00:20:54.980 like son of god how is the son of god a jew this is like i don't think the bible ever says mary's

00:21:00.040 jewish does it um i you know it's gone genealogies are very complicated you know you have ruth you

00:21:07.660 have rahab you have different people in the genealogy of christ that weren't israelites

00:21:11.420 and then it gets into like well how do you define jew does it mean judean you know what or is it

00:21:16.460 just stand in you know synonymous for a hebrew um so to me it's like yeah i i know the guys who

00:21:24.300 make uh the arguments about uh well the jews were edomites you know or there's this argument but i

00:21:29.620 refuse to say jesus is jewish i'm just not i don't have a problem with that i think that's i'm just

00:21:34.080 not going to say they can make the argument but i'm not going to say jesus is jewish right like

00:21:37.540 yeah that's fine i to me it doesn't really matter it's like if jesus is jewish um fine but but in

00:21:46.480 80 70 christ spiritually returned in judgment through the human agency of titus and um and

00:21:54.160 destroyed the temple destroyed all jerusalem so if he was jewish um he still came back and judged 0.71

00:22:00.200 his own people um indicting them for their unbelief their rejection of him the fact that 0.90

00:22:06.160 they shouted and demanded that he be crucified so either way it's like that's an excellent point 0.94

00:22:11.120 yeah if you're gonna say jesus is jewish and therefore jews are special it's like the whole 0.97

00:22:15.160 new testament basically tells us that jews aren't special yeah what matters is faith do you trust 0.76

00:22:20.900 in christ whether jew or gentile um so i to me it's a moot point you know i agree i think they

00:22:28.200 get too hung up on it and and there are but they do have a point though there are the christian

00:22:31.720 zionists that make that argument so i that's why i do understand their argument and i try to talk

00:22:35.860 to these guys and tell them why don't you have a different approach of just being like taken you

00:22:39.640 know like it's like you said how he you know he turned on them he flipped the tables he they're

00:22:43.400 the ones that had him crucified they if you look at their religion they think he's boiling in hell

00:22:47.340 correct they despise him you know they spit on christian so clearly he's not of these people

00:22:52.340 correct yep absolutely um so what do you what do you think that there's do you think um the new

00:22:59.260 right will it be will it be christian or do you think it'll just be anti-religious just kind of

00:23:04.980 more of a natural i think people need religion you know i think so i used to be atheist and i

00:23:10.000 realized how flawed of a thinking that is obviously there's a god in the spirit world but then it's

00:23:14.300 like we also need something to unite us to pull us together and i don't think the paganism whatever

00:23:20.080 they're pushing or atheism and we're not even trying to bash paganism i mean like even i think

00:23:26.080 even like in the bible he says worship no gods besides me there are demons i think there are

00:23:29.680 other gods i we can talk about that exactly so i like i don't look at the pagans you know and say 0.88

00:23:35.380 like you guys are retarded zoos beside it like no like i think there are other gods say don't 0.81

00:23:40.840 worship other gods besides me right very clearly that's kind of implying so you're talking you're 0.98

00:23:45.960 talking to an unhinged 40 and fringe kind of guy so like i hear you say that like i believe like

00:23:50.780 this the sons of god joe refers to the sons of god genesis chapter six i believe that this is a

00:23:56.840 reference to angels the angels that chose to rebel against god and follow lucifer in his rebellion

00:24:01.240 that they were cast down from heaven to earth these are now fallen angels i think they took

00:24:06.480 the daughters of men human wives uh neph i believe in nephilim i believe in giants um i the whole

00:24:12.860 nine yards so in terms of other gods like i think that um greek mythology roman like all these other

00:24:19.020 gods whether it be poseidon or whether it be zeus or this that and the other i think that they

00:24:23.920 actually were uh real um and and in a sense are real some of them now i think bound by the finished

00:24:29.300 work of christ in like demonic uh dungeons but um but i believe that uh all of these gods of

00:24:36.440 mythology were actually fallen angels and some of them actually did procreate with human women

00:24:42.200 and then i think like uh for example like a uh a figure of antiquity like hercules i think hercules

00:24:49.360 was a nephilim part god fallen angel and part human so like literally human like superhuman

00:24:56.600 strength, but also could be killed. So I look at that and I'm like, I don't think that the Greeks 0.97

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00:26:26.000 Yeah, something interesting the last few, I thought this was crazy a few years ago,

00:26:29.220 but I've been looking at all the different religions, different time periods. Their

00:26:32.380 beliefs are all so similar with different gods. Also, like you said, breeding with humans. There's

00:26:36.560 always, even the alien abductions, whether it's elves, whatever it is, they're always trying to 0.99

00:26:42.000 crossbreed with humans. Even Epstein, we had breeding programs at Zorro Ranch. And this is

00:26:46.840 like real it's all through the emails but and he's emailing top scientists it's not random people

00:26:50.900 about bringing back neanderthal babies sequencing the genome from the guy who had got a neanderthal

00:26:56.160 bone like there's all kinds of i mean i've looked straight through the files myself i'm not like you

00:27:00.840 know looking at other people saying on twitter this is all over the epstein files but back to

00:27:05.780 like i was saying this whole breeding crossbreeding with humans is in pretty much every culture and

00:27:10.360 there's so many similarities between the gods and why do you think so i'm with you it is it's like

00:27:15.460 every culture whatever religious text they have has some kind of framework for multiple gods a

00:27:23.540 supreme being but but multiple divine lower divine type figures which in the christian worldview would

00:27:30.000 be angels fallen angels um but in every single religious scheme uh these like demonic deities

00:27:39.240 attempt to procreate or some kind of genome sequence

00:27:45.180 or whatever with people, tamper with it, pervert it.

00:27:47.840 I'm curious, your perspective, what's the motive?

00:27:50.460 Why?

00:27:50.820 Why do you think they were trying to do that?

00:27:52.160 That's what I don't know.

00:27:52.980 It's just so bizarre.

00:27:53.860 It makes no sense.

00:27:54.680 You started seeing this stuff.

00:27:55.620 And that's why I kept saying, it can't be true.

00:27:57.020 It can't be true.

00:27:57.820 But then you just see the same thing over and over.

00:28:00.120 And even you said it was in the Bible with the Nephilim, right?

00:28:02.460 I didn't even know that until someone told me that

00:28:03.860 a couple of weeks ago.

00:28:04.540 I'm like, oh, it's even in the Bible.

00:28:05.760 Yeah, it is.

00:28:06.540 It's like, because I've seen it with the aliens.

00:28:08.040 i saw it like 10 different places of this breeding cross breeding with humans yes and i don't know

00:28:12.840 why they would need our dna but they must somehow to survive or maybe we're made in the image of god

00:28:17.560 or like that's what i think i think it's uh i think it's uh inspired by uh demonic forces

00:28:24.520 and i think it's to corrupt the image of god i really do and and i think you know uh pre-incarnation

00:28:30.280 of christ before he you know took on flesh was born of the virgin mary um i think like genesis

00:28:35.320 six, for instance, and then you see another reference in the book of Numbers. So you see

00:28:39.360 before the flood, before Noah's flood, and then after. So it seems as though it's an incursion,

00:28:44.880 maybe a single fall of angels to earth, but two different attempts to procreate with human women.

00:28:54.580 But in both instances, it seems as though the effort was to corrupt the image of God,

00:29:01.360 uh to pervert uh the genealogy the line of men lineage um in order to um to try to cut off at

00:29:10.140 the head um preemptively the line of christ the messiah so when you think of like genesis chapter

00:29:16.480 three uh in the garden you know uh when when adam eats of the fruit um and and sins against god and

00:29:24.360 he comes you know god comes in the garden walking in the garden adam where are you and and he curses

00:29:30.120 the serpent um and then he curses the woman uh your um childbearing pains will be greatly intensified

00:29:37.240 um also your desire will be for your husband that's not romantic means you're going to want

00:29:41.440 to rule over your husband but he's been appointed as authority over you so part of the curse i think 0.99

00:29:45.880 is feminism and then he says to the man uh curses the ground because of you uh but but but in all 0.93

00:29:51.720 that he says to the woman he says i'll put enmity between your offspring and the serpent and the 0.93

00:29:57.120 serpent will strike his heel so one of your seeds offspring will be um will be special unique and

00:30:06.740 the serpent will strike his heel but he will crush your head so i think that like the serpent was

00:30:11.660 there that day as god is um announcing these judgments he knows god's plan and he he knows

00:30:18.800 literally from the mouth of god that uh from this woman eventually will come um a descendant that

00:30:25.940 will be the the final demise of satan and so i think that all along he was like how can i corrupt

00:30:32.180 the lineage how can i somehow um because there's an offspring that's coming that's going to crush

00:30:38.460 my head so how can you know so fallen angels sleep with all those chicks you know or what you

00:30:43.620 know like wanted to kill the dna or i think so breathe it down no that's that's definitely a

00:30:47.540 possibility and you mentioned the serpent i think the serpent that's all over the world too you know

00:30:51.940 the aztecs um sacrificed to like a winged serpent they it's like yes in turkey in the oldest place

00:30:58.000 they just discovered the oldest what's it called um galepi they found this like 12 000 year old

00:31:02.680 city there's like serpents all on the rocks it's just like the serpent so usually like a dark side

00:31:08.280 like the whole reptile thing it's almost like you know david ike his theory is almost similar to

00:31:12.900 the religious theory but it's just with like the reptilians and this but it's not that different

00:31:17.440 like shape-shifting right you could take the same theory and put it in a religious context and it

00:31:21.720 still could hold right um okay so here's one question just out of curiosity because whenever

00:31:27.360 i talk to somebody who's not a christian i'm always curious like their purview of of what

00:31:33.480 they think christianity is um and so obviously i mean that's a massive topic and there's a million

00:31:39.340 different things but if if i was to ask you and i'll i'll just do it just for kicks and giggles

00:31:43.960 i'd like to know your answer um what do you think the gospel is i guess with christianity i get

00:31:50.720 torn because well now i'm becoming more pro-christian but i was anti-christian before because some of

00:31:55.300 these churches i didn't like the vatican the terrible things they've done to children there's 0.56

00:32:00.060 a church in san francisco where i used to live that had like a trans flag on it i see disgusting 0.66

00:32:04.340 stuff like that but then i realized you don't need a church between you and god that you yourself can 0.95

00:32:09.180 take up and it's you don't need the old testament as much as you know like jesus is teaching which

00:32:14.100 are almost all good because there's things in the old testament i would see with like oh i don't i

00:32:17.880 haven't read it but things i would see in there that i didn't like then you see jesus teachings

00:32:22.180 and you're like oh this is much better and even like i always thought he was like a pacifist but

00:32:26.340 then when he flipped the tables and made the whip like like i didn't know that he's a lot more

00:32:30.060 relatable it's like when he can have fury when it's needed to right yeah no jesus was masculine

00:32:35.500 he was not um an effeminate pacifist that's and that's what he's made out to be yeah no that is

00:32:41.080 how he's made out to be and i think one thing that's really important you were you know bifurcating

00:32:44.900 the old testament and the teachings of jesus i think one thing and a lot of people do that a lot

00:32:49.200 of christians do that but i think one thing that's important is um that you know with the finished

00:32:54.900 work of christ we have the inauguration of the new covenant and the new covenant is new so there's

00:33:00.140 there's a distinction to be made um but then as you look at you know jesus is the fulfillment of

00:33:07.020 all the old testament he even says um he says i have not come to abolish the law but to fulfill

00:33:13.060 it and so a lot of the the old testament um one of the things that it's difficult to to come to

00:33:19.360 terms with but i think vital is um that the old testament every single bit of it is good um and

00:33:26.060 wherever we're like man that seems harsh or that seems intense or um it's a it's a user error not

00:33:32.260 the software it's it's it's us um like i look at like sodom it's like okay god rains down fire and

00:33:38.480 and destroys this whole city but then i don't know in 2026 i look at san francisco and i'm like i get

00:33:44.680 it you know maybe it was san francisco there's you know it you leave and then you go back and

00:33:49.980 you don't realize just the filth you were living in i went back and it's like oh my god just

00:33:53.960 disgusting you know with homeless people doing drugs on the street shooting up and they have 0.99

00:33:58.520 like gay pride praise people having sex in the streets right when i came home people are having 0.99

00:34:02.880 sex in front of my apartment i just left because i wasn't going to walk walk past that it was just 0.96

00:34:07.360 and as a band we naturally get this disgusting revolting feeling which is like in our dna but 0.90

00:34:13.760 you try burying that thinking like oh something must be wrong with me to feel this way right it's

00:34:17.900 like no it's in my dna feeling a disgust when i see that and then they just try normalizing it and 0.55

00:34:23.080 and i do feel a little bad for the people most of the gay people right most gay men are actually

00:34:27.200 abused as children yeah that's true and no one really wants to talk about that for some reason

00:34:31.000 they want to say they were born this way but the truth is it's actually a little it's more sad and

00:34:35.400 makes me have more empathy towards them yes yeah no i i think that um a lot of gay men were groomed

00:34:41.860 um and then some of them were just abused sometimes it's sexual sometimes it's just physical 0.93

00:34:46.240 but um yeah it's this doesn't happen in a vacuum oh it's it's just disgusting we need to like stop

00:34:52.900 pushing on the kids people that do this need to have like serious sentences like probably be taken

00:34:58.260 out in my opinion yeah it's it just needs to be eradicated not pushed at all and if people are

00:35:03.540 that way it should be like secret underground shouldn't be talked about shouldn't be like

00:35:08.140 paraded you know like i'm not trying to like chase them down but it shouldn't be something

00:35:11.920 people are proud of talking about shown it should be completely underground i think that that is

00:35:16.380 it's funny that you say that because that's exactly my position because people say joel

00:35:20.760 you're hardcore you know you're a christian nationalist you know the old testament talks

00:35:24.660 about um gay men being stoned and things like that and um and what i what i always respond with is um

00:35:32.840 um i think that homosexuality is a sin that's the biblical position um that said there is a

00:35:38.420 distinction between sins and crimes yeah and one of the determining factors big determining key

00:35:43.320 factors between something being a sin and being a crime is whether or not it's private versus public

00:35:48.540 so like you get drunk and plastered in your home yeah the bible would say that that's a sin

00:35:53.140 but you don't get arrested it's not a crime yeah you're drunk in public behind the wheel of a car

00:35:58.500 it's not just a sin it's a crime yeah right so like two dudes in their home um i think it's a

00:36:04.640 sin uh but if i was king for a day um i'm not going to form the gay police to hunt people down 0.91

00:36:10.660 in their homes and try to find them in secret uh but i would say oh uh you're hosting a public 0.69

00:36:15.780 event where you're trying to push this propaganda on children yeah that's a crime not just a sin

00:36:20.100 but a crime yeah because most people that have other weird sexual things they're not trying to

00:36:23.840 push that on kids you know if they keep it to themselves like whatever that's like their

00:36:27.480 business why is it always the kids right like well why aren't we seeing all these events in

00:36:31.240 nursing homes how come it always has to be in a school library they really are and every time

00:36:35.180 it's two dudes who are married how come they always adopt little boys yes i've pointed that

00:36:39.440 out before people oh you're you get taxed up they always adopt little boys always i think to abuse

00:36:44.960 them in most cases i think so and i think we have to be able to acknowledge that like so i yeah so 0.81

00:36:50.760 those things i i would want to be crimes i would say look if you're a gay couple um i i believe 0.83

00:36:56.020 that's uh sin again i'm i'm a christian i don't know what you know what to tell you i'm a christian

00:37:00.460 uh i think it's a sin um but you have a private life you're not pushing it down people's throats

00:37:05.760 um fine uh but you come out publicly and say don't kiss in public we don't you don't hold

00:37:11.840 hands in public yep uh but you come out publicly and you want to adopt children and you want to do

00:37:16.200 like no that's just wrong for one good chance they'll abuse them but also do you imagine having

00:37:20.960 like two dads as a brand that'd be like humiliating like kids deserve a mother and a father we need

00:37:25.740 it we're like the balance they really truly need both it's like a child leads especially when they're

00:37:30.280 young like there's certain things you're you're kids right you can't like do certain needs that

00:37:35.340 sometimes the mom can just like know what they want totally it's so weird i have four daughters

00:37:39.260 and they need us too and they're all daddy girls so they're like they love me um but there are

00:37:44.980 certain things where it's just like okay like i cannot fix it they need mom and we don't even

00:37:49.440 understand what the mom just like oh this is what they need she just knows like you're like uh how

00:37:53.340 did you know that yep because she's the way they cry the way they have these like needs that men

00:37:58.140 that we just can't pick up right but they actually need that dad i think just much in a different way 0.95

00:38:03.120 for like the sternness right maybe not my girls it's harder on daughters but some but definitely

00:38:07.700 with my son there is sternness um because he's like it's funny like the girls it's um from like

00:38:15.460 a young age their you know their temptation is like i'm gonna try to be bossy and you know

00:38:22.380 and then my son he's not super bossy it's um the thing that he struggles with is being soft

00:38:28.040 and my daughters i've never you know corrected them for being soft yeah because it's okay because

00:38:34.140 they're a girl you know but my son you have to be harsh on a man i'll have to grab him not hurt him

00:38:39.120 but grab him say son um i love you but uh you have to be a hard man yeah the whole world is um is

00:38:49.280 going to be against you you cannot be a soft man you need to be strong not for just for strength

00:38:55.380 sake not for you but your sisters your mother you have to protect them it's like that's right

00:39:01.160 it's the job of a man you know to be a good father you have to be a little harder on your

00:39:05.140 sons it's right it's the hard reality so he's got all his toy guns and like you know a couple

00:39:09.500 weeks ago it's funny but uh i got like um i posted something on twitter about ice and i admit

00:39:15.520 it was very pro ice i i make no apology i support ice i wish they they were doing more um but uh the

00:39:22.700 way that i worded it was a little spicy uh to say the least and so i got like all the you know hate

00:39:28.500 mail and and i got docked somebody like threw it up on red reddit it went super viral with my

00:39:33.860 address with the church's address phone number all that kind of stuff and uh and so i had my family

00:39:38.840 uh stay home that sunday because i got a i think it was like 15 or 16 death threats i'm gonna kill

00:39:44.040 you on sunday and so of course we did church and i've got my shield on and stuff like that and um

00:39:49.180 they've got the ar i got you know everything um but my son like really wanted to come i was like

00:39:54.420 i'm sorry man you gotta you know he's he's little i was like you gotta stay home but he was so

00:39:58.080 excited about the family as soon as i came home he was like dad how many bad guys did you kill

00:40:02.080 you know i was like i was like zero and that's good you know praise god for that but uh but my

00:40:06.600 point is like i want to foster that in him not violence but courage and the sense of we defend

00:40:12.700 we protect i think they purposely attacked masculinity so we wouldn't stand up to them

00:40:18.480 that's right i don't want strong men saying no having boundaries setting things they tried

00:40:22.920 making us feminine believing in the following the women women hate that too they want a strong man

00:40:27.680 to lead doesn't mean you're like a bully and a dictator of course you listen to your you know

00:40:32.500 wife's opinion and stuff but it's like they want you to lead right right i think another thing

00:40:37.280 that's been attacked really bad you might not have seen it as much but me i lived in the cities for

00:40:40.640 a lot of years new york san francisco no one's having kids you know thankfully i had a kid young

00:40:45.860 but then it's like way later you start realizing like oh i should have had more kids in between

00:40:49.120 it's normal because everyone's like doing that and then they won't and all the girls are struggling

00:40:53.380 having kids they don't know why it's because they're like 35 yeah it's because they're too

00:40:56.820 old it's because of ssris it's because like there's a yeah there's a lot of stuff chemically

00:41:02.800 even that's just um making people less fertile it's um it's a tragedy but yeah they make having

00:41:09.460 And kids sound like a bad thing

00:41:10.600 when it's like, it's just so wonderful.

00:41:11.960 I think it needs to be more normalized.

00:41:13.700 Oh, you can bring your kids places

00:41:15.180 and like teach your kids manners, of course,

00:41:17.540 but people think they can't like bring their kids places.

00:41:20.060 Yeah, we go out to eat and it's funny,

00:41:22.980 like sometimes we'll go out to eat

00:41:24.100 and people will like pick up our tab, random strangers,

00:41:27.120 because they're just encouraged to see a large family

00:41:30.620 because it's so rare these days.

00:41:32.160 And they're like, oh, like an intact family

00:41:34.740 with a husband and a wife and five young children.

00:41:37.140 And the thing they'll always say

00:41:38.660 is they'll be like your children are so well behaved and they'll say like you're so lucky

00:41:43.140 as though like um it just happened randomly it's just happened it's like uh and i you know it's

00:41:48.400 like look god's been kind but i assure you luck has nothing to do with it we work our butts off

00:41:53.720 uh mom and i training our children they they're not just well behaved by accident we have to

00:42:00.280 practice at home no it's obviously it's always going to be a struggle with kids they're not

00:42:04.360 to behave but like you can't just let your kids have no manners and run around not obviously have

00:42:09.420 energy run around sometimes but it's like they have to know when the context yeah when when to

00:42:13.340 have respect you don't want to be overly hard either and have your kids not like you but it's

00:42:17.320 like they have to learn manners please thank you and it's just so many people just allow their kids

00:42:21.560 to do whatever yep um is there any anybody on the right who's who's like like unapologetically

00:42:30.400 christian that's a friend of yours that like that that shares about christ with you bryce mitchell

00:42:36.100 bryce mitchell i've heard of him he's a fighter he's pretty well known he's um he has very

00:42:42.160 controversial uh remarks that he said he wanted he would go fishing with hitler or something

00:42:46.720 super viral i was just out at his gym with russell brand you know him uh him yeah i've heard

00:42:52.200 of him to to i don't know russell as well but just wonderful guys and they're awesome jesus you know

00:42:58.760 we prayed together and did a lot of you know he said i i do like jesus and stuff so i am talking

00:43:04.280 to all these people cool have you um in the last couple years as you've been kind of exploring

00:43:09.800 faith um have you visited a church or anything like that i have not okay do you think you ever 0.99

00:43:15.480 will come by your church i would love to have you come to our church like i like the anti-zionist

00:43:20.040 i couldn't do like a zionist church that's like oh of course yeah judeo-christian values like

00:43:25.640 Like that's just insane.

00:43:26.920 Yeah, Judeo-Christian, I'm sure you've seen the memes

00:43:30.380 where it's like a picture of Christ on the cross 0.81

00:43:33.540 and it's like Christian and it shows Jesus

00:43:36.480 and then it shows the nail like going Judeo.

00:43:40.260 I've seen that meme.

00:43:41.040 Yeah, it's an oxymoron, jumbo shrimp.

00:43:43.880 Judeo-Christian doesn't make any sense.

00:43:46.740 I'm curious, are you busy this Sunday morning?

00:43:49.720 Because I know you're in town for a little bit.

00:43:51.480 It's 10 a.m. I would love to have you.

00:43:53.480 i'm not sure if i'm gonna be here in san antonio so you're going to san antonio saturday but i

00:43:57.880 have your number if you're in town uh how long is it like an hour two hours uh about an hour and a

00:44:03.640 half the service try to make it yeah it's a little early for me but i that would be cool to do that

00:44:08.520 today that would be if i come back from san antonio okay let me know i'll text you and let

00:44:14.100 you know here i'll see if i can bring nate diaz he's a really big star in fighting i don't know

00:44:18.020 if you follow fighting but i i don't the guys who are running the tech right now are probably

00:44:22.960 yelling to themselves like joel you should know this because they probably know our time i hear

00:44:27.120 we're doing some seminars and some business stuff together cool that'd be great if both of you guys

00:44:30.880 came um so back to the question because you you didn't quite answer it i'm not trying to put you

00:44:36.880 on the spot i just really am curious um if if somebody says you know what is what is what is

00:44:43.520 the gospel what does someone have to believe to be a christian what what what is your impression

00:44:48.480 what do you think well i used to think having to go to church and stuff but is it just a belief in

00:44:52.400 god and taking jesus in your heart is that all it is is it that simple or is that's a complex

00:44:56.720 good question um so i think going to church is important for a number of reasons but not to be

00:45:01.420 saved um what i would say is um and what i believe more importantly who cares what i would say but

00:45:06.400 what i think the bible says is um that at the end of the day all have sinned and fallen short of the

00:45:11.900 glory of god and so are some people worse than others yes there there are degrees of sin um we

00:45:18.620 all sin but there's degrees but we've all sinned right so some people are worse there are serial

00:45:22.300 killers and people who are not serial killers so certainly there are different degrees of outward

00:45:27.560 manifestations of wickedness and evil but at the level of the heart um we've all sinned against

00:45:33.180 god we've all been proud we've all been arrogant we've all been selfish we've all you know these

00:45:37.720 kinds of things and because god is holy um he cannot maintain his perfect justice without

00:45:43.740 compromising his justice and somehow turn a blind eye to our sin and so in order for sin to be

00:45:49.800 forgiven um but without justice being compromised it has to be atoned for paid and so the idea of

00:45:58.380 christian faith is that jesus was that payment it's not just that he was physically tormented

00:46:03.980 tons of martyrs throughout uh throughout history have died for love of other if it's just

00:46:10.460 sacrificial love somebody giving up their life out of love for someone else you've got joan of arc

00:46:15.620 you've got william wallace you've got there are plenty of people who've done that but but the

00:46:19.380 christian idea is that jesus is the son of god and he didn't just die brutally at the hands of men

00:46:25.280 but ultimately on the cross not only is he physically being tortured but he's actually

00:46:30.220 enduring the wrath of god the father that the father who loved the son in that moment that

00:46:36.440 the son took upon himself our sin and the father in his holiness poured out his own wrath on his

00:46:43.460 own son to um to satiate all the wrath of god to uh to punish in full our sin in christ so that we

00:46:53.640 can be forgiven but god still upholding his justice so in other words the cross is a place

00:46:59.880 where both the justice of god and the mercy of god kiss um because if god forgave sinners any other

00:47:07.080 way apart from death right the bible says the wages of sin is death and so the christian is

00:47:14.020 someone who deserves death because of his sin but the death has already been endured by someone else

00:47:20.160 and and so then it's like well then how how does that how do i lay hold of that how do i know that

00:47:25.540 if jesus died how do i know his death is for me and it's by grace alone through faith alone in

00:47:31.880 christ alone so trusting in jesus that he is the son of god that he lived a perfect life that he

00:47:38.800 died not just a death as as a um sacrificial love as an example but as a substitute he died as

00:47:45.560 payment in my place rose from the dead um and i'm trusting in him my sin was transferred to his

00:47:52.440 account it was punished in him instead of in me his righteousness transferred to my account and now

00:47:59.020 i live forever more with him so i'm i'm curious um is i i'm not gonna put you on the spot right

00:48:05.880 now to you know but um is that something that you're open to no i am no i am open there was

00:48:11.880 one you might have just answered it something that's always bothered me a little bit is original

00:48:15.360 sin like a child born with sin right doesn't seem right to me but if it's that kind of the point of

00:48:21.880 Is that kind of the point of Jesus dying?

00:48:25.060 I think if a child is like pure and innocent

00:48:27.200 and say a child has sin,

00:48:28.900 that's one of the few things that I've struggled with.

00:48:32.380 That's tough.

00:48:33.500 No, that is a tough one.

00:48:34.480 That's one of the toughest ones right there for me.

00:48:36.180 Super hard, yeah.

00:48:36.960 So my wife and I, our first child,

00:48:39.980 we have five kids with us,

00:48:41.940 but I would say in the technical sense,

00:48:43.660 we have six children, one in glory.

00:48:45.440 So the first was a miscarriage,

00:48:47.100 but I believe that life begins at the moment of conception,

00:48:49.560 that that was a child made in the image of God.

00:48:51.540 but i believe you know like i just said you know six children one in glory i notice i don't say

00:48:57.860 six children one in hell yeah so i believe that that child is in glory um that said uh now christians

00:49:04.240 debate this but um i believe that the traditional historic christian view is total depravity total

00:49:10.760 depravity does not mean utter depravity so utter depravity is like you're doing outwardly as much

00:49:16.040 evil as you possibly can. Total depravity means outwardly, you may do a host of a ton of good

00:49:22.180 things. You might cure cancer. You might walk a sweet old lady across the street. You might pay

00:49:26.640 your taxes. You might be faithful in your marriage. You might be a good dad. But total depravity is

00:49:31.720 not utter depravity, outward manifestations of constant wickedness all the time. But it means

00:49:36.360 at the level of the heart that even when I do outwardly good things, that apart from faith in

00:49:44.340 Christ that all my good deeds, all my righteousness, the Bible says, all my righteousness is as filthy

00:49:51.300 rags, meaning that even if I do something good, there's still tainted motives. There's still

00:49:56.720 selfish incentives. There's still the temptation to have some kind of angle to where I can benefit.

00:50:02.760 It's rarely truly a selfless act. So back to the child question, I believe that every single child

00:50:10.040 from conception um is born in total depravity david said in sin uh this is in the psalms king

00:50:17.900 david in sin did my mother conceive me and in iniquity i was brought forth and so what he's

00:50:22.720 saying is that from the womb um because of the curse because sin has entered the world um from

00:50:30.760 the womb i was afflicted with the curse of sin um but this is the same david who later on he has

00:50:39.700 a child one of his children that dies um shortly after birth and he when the child dies he's

00:50:46.600 praying and fasting asking the lord when the child's sick like please don't let the child die

00:50:50.480 and then when the child does die he says i know now um that the child will not be here with me

00:50:55.400 but i will go to meet with the child in in other words the implication there is he's assuming that

00:51:01.180 this child um is in glory in heaven and so this is the same david who says in my mother's womb

00:51:07.680 i was conceived in sin and then his baby child he's saying is in glory um and so i i believe

00:51:14.340 that historic christian position is that um that those children who die in utero infancy um young

00:51:22.940 childhood you know two three you know young um the bible doesn't give a specific age like at this

00:51:28.360 you know many years old but but young children a couple years old or something yeah like that when

00:51:33.120 When a young child dies, it's not,

00:51:34.940 and here's the point, and it's important theologically,

00:51:37.260 it's not that a young child goes to heaven,

00:51:39.180 I believe they do,

00:51:40.420 but it's not that they go to heaven

00:51:41.620 because they're not a sinner,

00:51:44.460 because they were born in a state of innocence

00:51:47.440 and they maintain that innocence.

00:51:49.200 They never threw a fit, they never were selfish.

00:51:52.480 Every child is selfish.

00:51:53.720 All they think about is themselves.

00:51:54.980 You have to teach them not to be selfish, that's a good point.

00:51:58.140 So they're born in sin, like all human beings are,

00:52:01.800 but I believe that God in his sovereignty,

00:52:03.380 when someone dies in their youth like that,

00:52:07.660 it's not that they are not a sinner,

00:52:09.820 therefore they go to heaven,

00:52:10.780 but I believe that God saves them.

00:52:13.160 They haven't had their chance to really properly.

00:52:15.520 Yeah, they haven't had a chance.

00:52:16.980 And I think it's fair to say all this stuff

00:52:18.360 can be interpreted too.

00:52:19.580 It's like, it's not like one person has the ability to say,

00:52:21.980 hey, well, this is what it is.

00:52:23.760 I could read it myself and try to interpret it.

00:52:26.520 There's a ton of different interpretations.

00:52:28.460 That said, I do think we're not relativists.

00:52:31.200 like i believe in absolute truth so there are a ton of different interpretations um whenever

00:52:37.120 there's contradicting interpretations we can't all be right yeah now here's the crazy it's like

00:52:42.340 well you think you're right yes every position that i have i have that position because i think

00:52:46.880 i'm right yeah obviously but i could be wrong i recognize that i could be wrong that's that's

00:52:50.780 important to realize some things i'm pretty strong about but you have to always be open-minded to

00:52:55.200 i hate being wrong but occasionally all i was wrong you and i both like i mean how many times

00:53:00.440 a lot more than i thought yeah but i do change all change meaning what like we acknowledge yeah

00:53:05.420 i used to be wrong yeah particularly yeah like a lot of things you realize and the more you start

00:53:09.340 looking at it studying it like i said earlier mentioned like the gay marriage for example

00:53:13.060 i thought guys are being crazy being like oh they're gonna go for pedophilia next like oh my

00:53:16.760 god come on right they were right they were right they were so right they literally started seeing

00:53:21.820 it after that being like whoa i started seeing like a minor attracted person like they really

00:53:26.600 are trying to normalize pedophilia yep okay so here at the end last thing i want to ask is um

00:53:31.400 for guys who want to you know follow you listen to you who maybe aren't familiar with you what's um

00:53:36.760 maybe one or two podcasts that you've done you know since you started over the last you know

00:53:42.420 you started what a year ago two years a year and a half ago okay so in the last year and a half

00:53:46.420 what are a couple of the issues or even just one issue that kind of puts you on the map

00:53:53.760 things that like whoa well i mean issues i mean i talk a lot about israel trying not to just talk

00:53:58.380 about that but i also try you know branching out and doing like alternative history talking about

00:54:02.800 spiritual stuff i don't want to be just talking i cover fighting and some too right doing more

00:54:06.900 politics but cover some fighting um lots of politics different issues at the moment israel

00:54:12.440 kind of is the most important issue so it's like yeah it really is i've talked about that the most

00:54:16.380 but that is kind of been the current issue we've been talking about it for a few years but everyone

00:54:21.000 else's guys like nick we talked about long before us but now everyone's catching up where we were

00:54:25.280 everyone's catching a lot of people are telling me like oh man between gaza and then epstein and

00:54:30.340 then now iran like it's i mean even like boomer zionist grandmas are like maybe israel isn't our

00:54:37.840 greatest ally it's like yes exactly well i have a question yeah okay for churches yeah someone's

00:54:44.540 anti-zionist is there a way to find anti-zionist churches dude that is there should be a website

00:54:48.960 needs to create that you're absolutely right because that right there like there's no way

00:54:52.120 i could go to a zionist church i think church is important like you said though to build

00:54:56.360 i think we're losing church is when the west started declining a little bit because it was

00:55:00.360 culture we brought us together we judged each other right you had to look there was accountability

00:55:05.180 put on your good clothes like if i was drinking all week i had to go you know you see looking

00:55:09.320 all disheveled on a sunday right you know like oh i don't want to go out all night you know

00:55:13.540 partying if i have sunday i have to do church in the morning it's like it holds you accountable

00:55:17.620 you're right you're absolutely right i what i've been telling people for a while is um i have a lot

00:55:22.140 of friends that are catholic i'm protestant but a lot of catholic friends i think um catholics and

00:55:27.360 this is both of these are generalizations so i'm a protestant but i'm not a zionist there are

00:55:31.800 catholics who are not globalists but i think that in a general sense some of the catholic guys uh

00:55:37.020 tend towards globalism it's like immigration is cool as long as they're catholic oh you know it's

00:55:41.560 uh it's a haitian but don't worry this is a catholic haitian you know um and then on the 0.95

00:55:45.680 protestant side um they're insufferable zionist and so um i think like that like finding um 0.95

00:55:54.040 some yeah some kind of system to say like a good people can find a church that fits them and maybe 0.99

00:55:59.320 the zionists want to find that there needs to be a way to sort out church tucker should do something

00:56:03.520 yeah because someone famous like that could do a way like people could register because i could

00:56:07.580 do that but i just don't know how many people would use it or hear about it you know but somebody big

00:56:12.440 probably needs to come up with some kind of church finder site probably a lot of people like that

00:56:16.940 that do want a community they do want it right they want to be around the right people like how

00:56:20.940 how did your people react when you became anti-zionist well i think initially um there was

00:56:26.880 a split you know some people liked it and some people left you know stop following me uh whatever

00:56:31.460 but but you know what i mean honestly it in a lot of ways it's less of a left and right issue it's

00:56:37.360 more of a generational divide so most people it's been my experience most people under the age of

00:56:43.380 like 45 yeah they're like the older people they can't snap but it's like too brainwashed or not 0.87

00:56:48.880 willing to change and the boomers are frustrating but at the same time i'm sympathetic because like 0.99

00:56:54.660 the boomers they're like the most psyop generation of all of human history you know what i mean like

00:57:00.380 they were watching walter cronkite and it's like and that's just the facts it was never just the 0.96

00:57:04.500 facts you know but like today it's like we have all these alternative news sites and different

00:57:10.620 you know you can listen to jake shields you can listen like us can can be media that's right

00:57:14.220 right but back in the day wait i can be a voice like our parents generation they had like three

00:57:18.460 channels you know what i mean so it's like so you have like the the widest reach of media ever

00:57:24.920 but zero selection you got one and everybody just thought it was true you know so i like i'm

00:57:30.760 sympathetic to a generation of people who for 40 years have been propagandized that said

00:57:37.040 even if you've been propagandized for 40 years when the facts come out you need to be willing

00:57:41.940 to humble yourself you know i hope i don't become older and not open-minded me too and the amount

00:57:46.600 of friends i've had that said they've changed their mind in the last year are crazy have you 0.55

00:57:49.840 had a similar yes reaction oh yeah i thought you were crazy now like two that are hardcore zina so

00:57:56.040 that's it feels feels good getting a little vindication considering how like attacked we

00:58:00.400 well that's why i look when i'm fighting with nick i'm like man look what this guy went through 0.98

00:58:04.240 yeah he went through all these years that's when i go okay i need to stop this bullshit 0.83

00:58:07.200 yeah it's pretty crazy all right where can uh our listeners follow you by youtube just jake 0.73

00:58:12.340 shields it's fightback podcast i think putting my name up twitter jake shields ajj instagram i just

00:58:18.800 started a facebook and i got about 40 followers okay i know uh basically i need to get tiktok

00:58:24.100 going yeah it's just there's so many platforms well tiktok is hard man we like we just you know

00:58:29.360 we were late to the bandwagon we just tried to start a tiktok this year and uh i just got banned

00:58:34.880 like a few months ago larry ellison oracle like 85 percent of tiktok is owned by a jew so it's

00:58:44.220 like we're not just we're not doing very good on tiktok that's why i gotta decide if i want to

00:58:48.460 restart tiktok or just give up on it we just kind of gave up um you know we'll still post a little

00:58:53.260 bit but it just doesn't get traction instagram like short reels on instagram are actually doing

00:58:57.760 pretty well right now that's already do pretty well yeah i hear facebook has like three billion

00:59:02.040 people but i just i personally don't use it so i neglected it but that's why i'm like okay i have

00:59:05.880 all this content anyways am i supposed to start putting on facebook as well i think they're just

00:59:09.200 now hearing about it cool like twitter's that's where the ideas are shaped but like that's not

00:59:12.840 where the most people are right yep yeah you're right yeah twitter is i think the best major

00:59:17.880 platform like there are smaller ones like gab or whatever you know but in terms of major platforms

00:59:22.260 i think twitter's the best but you're right like uh where ideas are fun it's still kind of but then

00:59:26.880 but then more people are on facebook ideas are fought there but then they seep to facebook

00:59:30.880 instagram other places right it's kind of like twitter is like 4chan and then facebook it's

00:59:34.960 important for people to be there fighting for the ideas the battle there but upstream but there's

00:59:39.520 more correct it's all over faith the stuff we're talking about is all over facebook now instagram

00:59:43.920 is crazy yep you're right well jake shields thanks for coming on the show really great meeting you

00:59:49.280 Yeah, me too.

The NXR Podcast - March 11, 2026

THE SPECIAL - The New Right, Total Depravity, & The Gospel ｜ w⧸ Jake Shields

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