THE SPECIAL - The New Right, Total Depravity, & The Gospel ｜ w⧸ Jake Shields
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In this episode of the It's A Wild Card Monday podcast, I sit down with my good friend and former UFC fighter, Jake Shields, to talk about his views on Bitcoin and much more. We talk about the Epstein scandal, Bitcoin, and much much more! Recorded in Tucson, AZ!
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Their beliefs are all so similar with different gods.
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they're always trying to cross breed with humans.
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Even Epstein, we had breeding programs at Zorro Ranch.
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And this is like real, it's all through the emails.
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I'm not like, you know, looking at other people saying on Twitter, this is all over the Epstein
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files. But back to like I was saying, this whole breeding, crossbreeding with humans is in pretty
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much every culture. I am an unapologetic Bitcoin maximalist. Crypto, take it or leave it. I'm
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personally not a fan. That's your decision. Bitcoin is different. I believe it's moral money.
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I have a strong moral conviction. It's God's money. It's outside of the fiat corrupt currency system.
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It is finite. So it hedges against inflation. What I don't want to do is trade Bitcoin and sell at a loss out of fear in the next three to six months if the bear market goes lower. I'm not interested in trading Bitcoin on Coinbase or Moomoo or Robinhood. I want to purchase Bitcoin for the long haul 20, 30, 40 years and skip out on the capital gains at the end of the day. That's where I trust capital comes into the equation.
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Right now, you can have a free $100 added to your account if you use our link in the show notes below.
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It's itrustcapital.com forward slash go forward slash NXR studios.
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Radical Christian nationalist pastor, Joel Webin.
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all right jake shields thank you for coming on the show i appreciate it yeah what what are you
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known for you fight that's that's my traditional you know fighter i'm definitely way more known for
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a fighter still but it's funny a lot of new people that are on twitter and stuff they see me as a
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political guy and i am actually getting a lot more known for that too which is kind of weird
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traditionally i was on twitter it was like 95 people know me from fighting now it's probably
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like 65 and people from political because you know i had a great fighting career won five world
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titles i was you know strike force champ which is back when the show was massive on cbs and uh
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you know cbs and showtime you fought for the ufc title so i had a great fighting career
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then i retired i was trying to live a nice peaceful life and then the government came
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So I got, I turned radical, I guess, as they would say.
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So would you define, I understand that a lot of the argument
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these days is shifting from less of the left versus right.
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well more on the right but it gets complex like i have a hard time in that paradigm i think
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there are real issues in it and there are like there was these crazy leftists that they backed
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off a little bit those complete lunatics trying to like say our kids could be women
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right they're complete psychopaths but then you're seeing complete psychopaths on the right now too
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like anything for israel the war for israel so i guess overall i lean more right but on some issues
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like medical is one i've switched my position i think there should be a free universal health
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care for everyone we also should have private hospitals but there should be something basic
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i think the one that really got me is when i had to donate to my kids cancer charity my friend
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you know they didn't have a lot of money and their kid had cancer and they kind of like paid
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for the treatments and that was just like a wow yeah yeah i think the economic front is going to
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that's going to become an incredibly complex conversation that a lot of your old school
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right especially like libertarian guys or like any you know that's socialism and like i'm not
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socialists i'm not a huge fan but what do you do if ai actually takes off and half of the country
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is unemployed do they just starve yeah i've been worrying about this lately i think this is going
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to be a big problem i think a lot of people are going to lose their jobs and like competent people
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even like a lot of good jobs so it's not yeah it's one thing when you're drugged out you know
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or you're lazy you're not willing to work the bible says like if you don't work you don't eat
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but that's not talking about a quadriplegic who got hit by a truck that's talking about somebody
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there's a moral issue they're not willing to work what do you do if half the country is willing to
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work they actually have some kind of skills but it's all been replaced truck drivers replaced by
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fsd you know all these so at that point it's like do you let half the country starve or do you
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actually have to start having some nuanced complex conversations like add a little socialism like
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i said and i'm not huge on that typically like you say but it's the reality you can't just let
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these people starve it's going to cause unrest plus i have humanity i believe in helping people
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you know i've grown i grew up around a lot of like poor lazy welfare people that are on drugs
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they're you know their kids aren't eating because they're like trading their food stamps for drug
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money so i've seen that i've seen like i'm not that you know sorrowful for a lot of these people
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but like you said it's going to be i know people now that are intelligent looking for jobs and
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they're struggling like taking less money like telling me they'll hire me and it's like i can
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only afford to pay this way less than they should be get paying they're like i'll take it it's just
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like the market's not good there's like a lot of people with really good job skills looking for
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jobs and they're willing to take whatever yes absolutely so i feel like economically i think
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i'm seeing a convergence of not not everybody but uh some individuals on the right some
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individuals on the left some of this horseshoe theory you know kind of um starting to share
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some things in common um on israel that's a big one we can talk about that in a moment but
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same thing there's some people on the right you know who are anti-zionist aware of you know some
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of the things that are going on and so there's some convergence between left and right some of
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the individuals on israel uh the big to me the the big uh chasm that remains between the left
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and the right is still some of the moral issues it's the lgbt mafia as i like to refer to it
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uh abortion um that would be a big one and then another one i think is just immigration i i think
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the left still kind of wants infinity immigration and is unwilling to acknowledge it's like oh
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haitian somalians america same thing you know whereas the right kind of has let's be honest
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like a lot of the right, you know, boomer conservatives go to sleep every night consoling
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themselves, you know, even though they're destroying the economy, they're like, but at least I'm not a
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racist, you know? So like, so there's some people on the, on the right that kind of hold to the
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blank slate ism that everybody's just a fungible interchangeable widget. But I think there's at
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least a growing contingency on the right that, that doesn't hate anyone, but would say, yeah,
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different people are different. Yeah. There's distinctions, you know, and that I, do you know
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anybody on the left who's would be like a race realist anybody i can't think of any off the top
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of my head they're rare but these conversations we need to have and neither one of us are hateful
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at all towards other races i mean i'm not trying to i don't think it's realistic to kick every other
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race out of this country either it's not a realistic argument but we should stop i would
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like america to stay mostly white and yes already kind of passed that's what i say i'm like yeah
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majority white and people like well why it's like because it's our history it's our heritage even
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And today, presently, it's still 59% white.
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like Clarence Thomas has to go back to Africa.
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Like, you know, I know guys who will say that.
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Like Clarence Thomas, I'm grateful for him.
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that helped fight in the Alamo who would remain good friends, people that I love. But I would
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make a pretty sound argument for one, no more immigration from non-Western countries moving
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forward. And then going back, I would like to go back to probably the Hart-Celler Act. Like anybody
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who's come in the last 60 years, I'm not saying wholesale, but each of those cases, I would want
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to revisit them. Some of them might get to stay because they've been upstanding citizens.
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what they've done that makes sense if they've been great accomplished great citizens yeah all
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illegal they've assimilated they speak fluent english they love the country yeah but i feel
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like pretty much everyone back to 1965 i'm not saying back to the 1600s like descendants of
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slaves but anyone who's they've only been here for 60 years since the heart seller act and they
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still haven't assimilated i think you need to look and see what they did like you said they've
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been huge patriotic americans not getting arrested not like you know speaking english building
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businesses then they could stay but if they haven't if they've been if they're on government
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assistance being negative then why would you let them stay exactly so um i but i i appreciate that
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so i think we're on the same page in terms of like immigration um those kinds of that and i think
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that's helpful for people because sometimes they hear a guy like you or a guy like me and they're
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like um you know you're just a white nationalist you want america to be exclusively white and i'm
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like, I like, here's the deal. I make no apology. It's not just okay to be white. It's good to be
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white. God made me white. White people have done incredible things. They built the world. Praise
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God. I love white people. My kids are white. I am pro white. Um, but that doesn't mean that I,
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I think that no non-white person can be in America. Yeah. No, we're, we're the same. Like
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it's okay to be white, which the ADL would call that hate speech. Correct. But you know, I think
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some of these other people, some of my best friends aren't white and they're proud Americans
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and they don't they also don't want to bring a bunch of immigrants over here yes and i've
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actually talked to a few of these white nationalists because that they hope they hope
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opened my mind up because i didn't realize the problem of the declining white people in every
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western country and that's why they don't want to talk to these guys like when i talked to david
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duke i think it was the first interview he'd done in like 10 years because no one talked to him
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i saw him on the hodge twins did you beat the hodge twins okay i set you were fed up for them
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actually okay they might have released theirs first actually but i set that up because no
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they have a lot of um they're those are proud americans right there they have a lot of balls
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the halls the hodge twins yeah you know they had they had nick fuentes on yeah they did that i set
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that up too because i didn't have a podcast yet and i met nick and i i realized how he'd been
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lied about because i believed he was a terrible racist person i talked to him like wow like they
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just like they took away your voice and then they just slandered you how evil is that yeah no i mean
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he was on a no-fly list he was debanked all those kinds of things we you know we did as you know we
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did a long series and i've gotten to know him and um i mean there's things i disagree with like the
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way that he words we flash sometimes yeah like sometimes i'm glad we're on good terms i'm like
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oh nick but here's a deal like one thing you have to realize with nick is um sometimes he you know
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he he actually means something and i just disagree but a lot of the times people like the the thing
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that people hate the most like this clip that's you know notorious it's gone uber viral and they're
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like that's why i don't like nick um you have to keep in mind like he's he is like an insanely
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good political geopolitical commentator like 50 of the time the other 50 of the time he's a stand-up
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comedian exactly he's so funny so it's hard you have his jokes some of it is a joke now some of
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it's not yeah you know but and even i got some of it i've seen stuff making light up but then i'm
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like all right i need to just realize i still don't like it but he's right being funny you know
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yeah so like some of the stuff he said about the epstein stuff i'm like dude yeah this is not great
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because it was right in the middle as we were coming out with our series and people were like
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texting behind the scenes and like uh did you see what nick said and i'm like yeah i can't control
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him i don't know how you can control you know i wish he didn't and then some of it i looked into
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and it's like okay that time he was joking this time he has this explanation okay here's a
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clarification here um but one thing though that i wasn't able to uh to have a disclaimer for is
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okay but he's still selling the quarter chips and making money you know the thing is he dropped
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that sweatshirt right before all the new files came out right this about but then i think after
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he got in a fight then if he pulled it back it would like look bad on his thing so that's why
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i realized like all right i just gonna i don't like it but i'm just gonna let it go and still
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be friends with him i'm not gonna let a friendship someone has been fighting for a decade right
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before i have ruined a friendship over a sweatshirt that i really don't like right yeah so i don't
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like the sweatshirt but you're absolutely right um nick was exercising courage on certain issues
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before i even knew what those issues exactly and i appreciate that that's the conclusion i came to
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that could pan out in the future on some economic issues on israel i think the you know the right
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is very pro-zionist but a lot of that's older people on the right boomers and so i can see
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some horseshoe theory there uh the big thing that um i think still differentiates the two parties
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would be um race immigration those kinds of things and then and then abortion and um lgbt
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yeah abortion's one that i used i used to always be reluctantly pro-choice but then you know like
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20 i got a girl pregnant in college and stuff and i just everyone was just like oh yeah i think i
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was gonna abortion just the idea of killing my baby just disgusted me it just felt like praise
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god i got ill at the thought of it and then had the baby and then i slowly kind of transformed
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realizing like that's a life in there yes from the second it's conceived in my opinion you know
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used to not believe that they say it's like a chunk of cells and like of course this can be
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complex sometimes people have no money they're young but to say it's a clump of cells that's
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just disgusting and vile yes amen that's so good to hear so yeah i think those are the big issues
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it's the lgbt kind of uh sexual perversion stuff it's the abortion thing it's the immigration race
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thing um those remain uh differences but economically and in terms of like geopolitically
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i'm starting to see a convergence the question i want to ask you though is um you got the neocon
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israel first miga you know right um and the neocons and maga i mean what's the difference
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these days it's hard to tell sometimes there's not really a difference anymore i love trump but
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it's been disappointing you know he disappointed me so bad it's like uh i didn't vote for him this
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last election but i did the first two and it's just been like been shameful not great yep so
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um but that's that's on its way out it really seems like MAGA is kind of I feel like they're
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going to get kind of slaughtered in the midterms um I I mean Rubio or Vance you know I mean maybe
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but you know so it seems as though MAGA may die with Trump neocon is kind of just barely hanging
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on and I think that dies with the boomers uh so this whatever you want to call it America only
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america first the new right so i i'm on the side this is where you and i probably differ the most
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you're very open to this and i think respectful towards christians but but i think the big
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difference between us is i i would be staunchly christian yeah um so i define it as like the new
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christian right but putting that aside for a second let's just say the new right that includes
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christians it includes non-christians um with with this emergence of the new right someone you know
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from Candace, Tucker, Nick, you know, all that kind of, what do you think are the defining
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characteristics of the new right? Well, that's complex, like you said,
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because there's kind of a wide umbrella. So the way I look at it, okay, for one issue,
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for example, Israel, all unite with everyone, including on the left. But if you say new right,
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it's clearly anti-Israel. It doesn't want these like foreign wars, you know, strongly against
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trans stuff against i would say probably against gay definitely against pushing gay stuff to kids
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probably against gay marriage that's something again when that passed i was living in san
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francisco i'm like oh it's fine and then i saw the debauchery it led to right you know you're
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like oh it's never enough for them it's not no it's like hey just let us live our lives and then
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it's like and clap celebrate love it you know and like and we're gonna be at your kid's school
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and it's like okay there it is okay yeah my oldest daughter went to school by san francisco
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ran up there and just the stuff they would teach her and then she would speak back to him that she
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would get mad the newspaper she'd write articles that would against it they wouldn't publish them
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just the way they were treated by the teachers and stuff you know i wish i was young back then
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wish i'd been more involved and gone there and argued with the teachers i wasn't really political
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and didn't quite realize how crazy it was but thankfully there was you know so many kids
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identifying as trans people said this doesn't affect you i'm like yes i see it you know in
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these liberal areas all these kids are identifying as trans mostly girls it's more people don't
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realize there's a lot more girls that are suffering they're going through like puberty
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and stuff and they go oh i can just be trans right so defining characteristics of the new right is
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an anti-zionism israel anti-immigration i would say too definitely you're right anti-immigration
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anti-israel anti would you say everyone on the new right would be not racist but a racialist or
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race realist yeah but i think you could take in people that aren't whites though still you still
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want them correct i don't mean they're all yeah but they all even if they're not white they
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recognize yeah race is real like the hodge twins are half white exactly and they're like of course
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race is real yeah i think lots of minorities are maybe just the friends i hang out with maybe so
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maybe i'm seeing a also in the fight world too guys are a lot more never realized that being a
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fighter my whole life you realize like how much more base these guys are yeah i really realize
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it when covid hit and like the minorities are a lot more like not no one's whining about race
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and stuff in a fight gym right right okay so those are some of the defining characteristics
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uh now talking about the you know on the new right there are christians there are non-christians
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what um what do you think i'm curious like from your perspective uh who do you think's
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gonna win out when it's all like when it's all said and done um because i look at some of these
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guys who it's like they have a very similar position to me we get there from different paths
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but some similar conclusions on israel some similar conclusions on nationalism similar
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conclusions on immigration all those kinds of things but they are like they don't like
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christianity they even would go so far as to say christianity is a jewish psyop to week in the west
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big push against that right now there is a lot of white people i'm i've talked to some of these
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guys i'm trying to tell them like bro you're not going the right approach just say he's not jewish
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like son of god how is the son of god a jew this is like i don't think the bible ever says mary's
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jewish does it um i you know it's gone genealogies are very complicated you know you have ruth you
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have rahab you have different people in the genealogy of christ that weren't israelites
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and then it gets into like well how do you define jew does it mean judean you know what or is it
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just stand in you know synonymous for a hebrew um so to me it's like yeah i i know the guys who
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make uh the arguments about uh well the jews were edomites you know or there's this argument but i
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refuse to say jesus is jewish i'm just not i don't have a problem with that i think that's i'm just
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not going to say they can make the argument but i'm not going to say jesus is jewish right like
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yeah that's fine i to me it doesn't really matter it's like if jesus is jewish um fine but but in
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80 70 christ spiritually returned in judgment through the human agency of titus and um and
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destroyed the temple destroyed all jerusalem so if he was jewish um he still came back and judged
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his own people um indicting them for their unbelief their rejection of him the fact that
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they shouted and demanded that he be crucified so either way it's like that's an excellent point
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yeah if you're gonna say jesus is jewish and therefore jews are special it's like the whole
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new testament basically tells us that jews aren't special yeah what matters is faith do you trust
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in christ whether jew or gentile um so i to me it's a moot point you know i agree i think they
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get too hung up on it and and there are but they do have a point though there are the christian
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zionists that make that argument so i that's why i do understand their argument and i try to talk
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to these guys and tell them why don't you have a different approach of just being like taken you
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know like it's like you said how he you know he turned on them he flipped the tables he they're
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the ones that had him crucified they if you look at their religion they think he's boiling in hell
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correct they despise him you know they spit on christian so clearly he's not of these people
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correct yep absolutely um so what do you what do you think that there's do you think um the new
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right will it be will it be christian or do you think it'll just be anti-religious just kind of
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more of a natural i think people need religion you know i think so i used to be atheist and i
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realized how flawed of a thinking that is obviously there's a god in the spirit world but then it's
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like we also need something to unite us to pull us together and i don't think the paganism whatever
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they're pushing or atheism and we're not even trying to bash paganism i mean like even i think
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even like in the bible he says worship no gods besides me there are demons i think there are
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other gods i we can talk about that exactly so i like i don't look at the pagans you know and say
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like you guys are retarded zoos beside it like no like i think there are other gods say don't
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worship other gods besides me right very clearly that's kind of implying so you're talking you're
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talking to an unhinged 40 and fringe kind of guy so like i hear you say that like i believe like
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this the sons of god joe refers to the sons of god genesis chapter six i believe that this is a
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reference to angels the angels that chose to rebel against god and follow lucifer in his rebellion
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that they were cast down from heaven to earth these are now fallen angels i think they took
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the daughters of men human wives uh neph i believe in nephilim i believe in giants um i the whole
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nine yards so in terms of other gods like i think that um greek mythology roman like all these other
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gods whether it be poseidon or whether it be zeus or this that and the other i think that they
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actually were uh real um and and in a sense are real some of them now i think bound by the finished
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work of christ in like demonic uh dungeons but um but i believe that uh all of these gods of
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mythology were actually fallen angels and some of them actually did procreate with human women
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and then i think like uh for example like a uh a figure of antiquity like hercules i think hercules
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was a nephilim part god fallen angel and part human so like literally human like superhuman
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strength, but also could be killed. So I look at that and I'm like, I don't think that the Greeks
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Yeah, something interesting the last few, I thought this was crazy a few years ago,
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but I've been looking at all the different religions, different time periods. Their
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beliefs are all so similar with different gods. Also, like you said, breeding with humans. There's
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always, even the alien abductions, whether it's elves, whatever it is, they're always trying to
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crossbreed with humans. Even Epstein, we had breeding programs at Zorro Ranch. And this is
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like real it's all through the emails but and he's emailing top scientists it's not random people
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about bringing back neanderthal babies sequencing the genome from the guy who had got a neanderthal
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bone like there's all kinds of i mean i've looked straight through the files myself i'm not like you
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know looking at other people saying on twitter this is all over the epstein files but back to
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like i was saying this whole breeding crossbreeding with humans is in pretty much every culture and
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there's so many similarities between the gods and why do you think so i'm with you it is it's like
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every culture whatever religious text they have has some kind of framework for multiple gods a
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supreme being but but multiple divine lower divine type figures which in the christian worldview would
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be angels fallen angels um but in every single religious scheme uh these like demonic deities
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attempt to procreate or some kind of genome sequence
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or whatever with people, tamper with it, pervert it.
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I'm curious, your perspective, what's the motive?
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And that's why I kept saying, it can't be true.
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But then you just see the same thing over and over.
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And even you said it was in the Bible with the Nephilim, right?
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I didn't even know that until someone told me that
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It's like, because I've seen it with the aliens.
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i saw it like 10 different places of this breeding cross breeding with humans yes and i don't know
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why they would need our dna but they must somehow to survive or maybe we're made in the image of god
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or like that's what i think i think it's uh i think it's uh inspired by uh demonic forces
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and i think it's to corrupt the image of god i really do and and i think you know uh pre-incarnation
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of christ before he you know took on flesh was born of the virgin mary um i think like genesis
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six, for instance, and then you see another reference in the book of Numbers. So you see
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before the flood, before Noah's flood, and then after. So it seems as though it's an incursion,
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maybe a single fall of angels to earth, but two different attempts to procreate with human women.
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But in both instances, it seems as though the effort was to corrupt the image of God,
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uh to pervert uh the genealogy the line of men lineage um in order to um to try to cut off at
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the head um preemptively the line of christ the messiah so when you think of like genesis chapter
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three uh in the garden you know uh when when adam eats of the fruit um and and sins against god and
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he comes you know god comes in the garden walking in the garden adam where are you and and he curses
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the serpent um and then he curses the woman uh your um childbearing pains will be greatly intensified
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um also your desire will be for your husband that's not romantic means you're going to want
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to rule over your husband but he's been appointed as authority over you so part of the curse i think
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is feminism and then he says to the man uh curses the ground because of you uh but but but in all
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that he says to the woman he says i'll put enmity between your offspring and the serpent and the
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serpent will strike his heel so one of your seeds offspring will be um will be special unique and
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the serpent will strike his heel but he will crush your head so i think that like the serpent was
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there that day as god is um announcing these judgments he knows god's plan and he he knows
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literally from the mouth of god that uh from this woman eventually will come um a descendant that
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will be the the final demise of satan and so i think that all along he was like how can i corrupt
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the lineage how can i somehow um because there's an offspring that's coming that's going to crush
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my head so how can you know so fallen angels sleep with all those chicks you know or what you
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know like wanted to kill the dna or i think so breathe it down no that's that's definitely a
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possibility and you mentioned the serpent i think the serpent that's all over the world too you know
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the aztecs um sacrificed to like a winged serpent they it's like yes in turkey in the oldest place
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they just discovered the oldest what's it called um galepi they found this like 12 000 year old
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city there's like serpents all on the rocks it's just like the serpent so usually like a dark side
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like the whole reptile thing it's almost like you know david ike his theory is almost similar to
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the religious theory but it's just with like the reptilians and this but it's not that different
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like shape-shifting right you could take the same theory and put it in a religious context and it
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still could hold right um okay so here's one question just out of curiosity because whenever
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i talk to somebody who's not a christian i'm always curious like their purview of of what
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they think christianity is um and so obviously i mean that's a massive topic and there's a million
00:31:39.340
different things but if if i was to ask you and i'll i'll just do it just for kicks and giggles
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i'd like to know your answer um what do you think the gospel is i guess with christianity i get
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torn because well now i'm becoming more pro-christian but i was anti-christian before because some of
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these churches i didn't like the vatican the terrible things they've done to children there's
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a church in san francisco where i used to live that had like a trans flag on it i see disgusting
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stuff like that but then i realized you don't need a church between you and god that you yourself can
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take up and it's you don't need the old testament as much as you know like jesus is teaching which
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are almost all good because there's things in the old testament i would see with like oh i don't i
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haven't read it but things i would see in there that i didn't like then you see jesus teachings
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and you're like oh this is much better and even like i always thought he was like a pacifist but
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then when he flipped the tables and made the whip like like i didn't know that he's a lot more
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relatable it's like when he can have fury when it's needed to right yeah no jesus was masculine
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he was not um an effeminate pacifist that's and that's what he's made out to be yeah no that is
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how he's made out to be and i think one thing that's really important you were you know bifurcating
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the old testament and the teachings of jesus i think one thing and a lot of people do that a lot
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of christians do that but i think one thing that's important is um that you know with the finished
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work of christ we have the inauguration of the new covenant and the new covenant is new so there's
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there's a distinction to be made um but then as you look at you know jesus is the fulfillment of
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all the old testament he even says um he says i have not come to abolish the law but to fulfill
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it and so a lot of the the old testament um one of the things that it's difficult to to come to
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terms with but i think vital is um that the old testament every single bit of it is good um and
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wherever we're like man that seems harsh or that seems intense or um it's a it's a user error not
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the software it's it's it's us um like i look at like sodom it's like okay god rains down fire and
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and destroys this whole city but then i don't know in 2026 i look at san francisco and i'm like i get
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it you know maybe it was san francisco there's you know it you leave and then you go back and
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you don't realize just the filth you were living in i went back and it's like oh my god just
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disgusting you know with homeless people doing drugs on the street shooting up and they have
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like gay pride praise people having sex in the streets right when i came home people are having
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sex in front of my apartment i just left because i wasn't going to walk walk past that it was just
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and as a band we naturally get this disgusting revolting feeling which is like in our dna but
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you try burying that thinking like oh something must be wrong with me to feel this way right it's
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like no it's in my dna feeling a disgust when i see that and then they just try normalizing it and
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and i do feel a little bad for the people most of the gay people right most gay men are actually
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abused as children yeah that's true and no one really wants to talk about that for some reason
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they want to say they were born this way but the truth is it's actually a little it's more sad and
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makes me have more empathy towards them yes yeah no i i think that um a lot of gay men were groomed
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um and then some of them were just abused sometimes it's sexual sometimes it's just physical
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but um yeah it's this doesn't happen in a vacuum oh it's it's just disgusting we need to like stop
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pushing on the kids people that do this need to have like serious sentences like probably be taken
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out in my opinion yeah it's it just needs to be eradicated not pushed at all and if people are
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that way it should be like secret underground shouldn't be talked about shouldn't be like
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paraded you know like i'm not trying to like chase them down but it shouldn't be something
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people are proud of talking about shown it should be completely underground i think that that is
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it's funny that you say that because that's exactly my position because people say joel
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you're hardcore you know you're a christian nationalist you know the old testament talks
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about um gay men being stoned and things like that and um and what i what i always respond with is um
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um i think that homosexuality is a sin that's the biblical position um that said there is a
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distinction between sins and crimes yeah and one of the determining factors big determining key
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factors between something being a sin and being a crime is whether or not it's private versus public
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so like you get drunk and plastered in your home yeah the bible would say that that's a sin
00:35:53.140
but you don't get arrested it's not a crime yeah you're drunk in public behind the wheel of a car
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it's not just a sin it's a crime yeah right so like two dudes in their home um i think it's a
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sin uh but if i was king for a day um i'm not going to form the gay police to hunt people down
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in their homes and try to find them in secret uh but i would say oh uh you're hosting a public
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event where you're trying to push this propaganda on children yeah that's a crime not just a sin
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but a crime yeah because most people that have other weird sexual things they're not trying to
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push that on kids you know if they keep it to themselves like whatever that's like their
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business why is it always the kids right like well why aren't we seeing all these events in
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nursing homes how come it always has to be in a school library they really are and every time
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it's two dudes who are married how come they always adopt little boys yes i've pointed that
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out before people oh you're you get taxed up they always adopt little boys always i think to abuse
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them in most cases i think so and i think we have to be able to acknowledge that like so i yeah so
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those things i i would want to be crimes i would say look if you're a gay couple um i i believe
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that's uh sin again i'm i'm a christian i don't know what you know what to tell you i'm a christian
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uh i think it's a sin um but you have a private life you're not pushing it down people's throats
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um fine uh but you come out publicly and say don't kiss in public we don't you don't hold
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hands in public yep uh but you come out publicly and you want to adopt children and you want to do
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like no that's just wrong for one good chance they'll abuse them but also do you imagine having
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like two dads as a brand that'd be like humiliating like kids deserve a mother and a father we need
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it we're like the balance they really truly need both it's like a child leads especially when they're
00:37:30.280
young like there's certain things you're you're kids right you can't like do certain needs that
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sometimes the mom can just like know what they want totally it's so weird i have four daughters
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and they need us too and they're all daddy girls so they're like they love me um but there are
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certain things where it's just like okay like i cannot fix it they need mom and we don't even
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understand what the mom just like oh this is what they need she just knows like you're like uh how
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did you know that yep because she's the way they cry the way they have these like needs that men
00:37:58.140
that we just can't pick up right but they actually need that dad i think just much in a different way
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for like the sternness right maybe not my girls it's harder on daughters but some but definitely
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with my son there is sternness um because he's like it's funny like the girls it's um from like
00:38:15.460
a young age their you know their temptation is like i'm gonna try to be bossy and you know
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and then my son he's not super bossy it's um the thing that he struggles with is being soft
00:38:28.040
and my daughters i've never you know corrected them for being soft yeah because it's okay because
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they're a girl you know but my son you have to be harsh on a man i'll have to grab him not hurt him
00:38:39.120
but grab him say son um i love you but uh you have to be a hard man yeah the whole world is um is
00:38:49.280
going to be against you you cannot be a soft man you need to be strong not for just for strength
00:38:55.380
sake not for you but your sisters your mother you have to protect them it's like that's right
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it's the job of a man you know to be a good father you have to be a little harder on your
00:39:05.140
sons it's right it's the hard reality so he's got all his toy guns and like you know a couple
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weeks ago it's funny but uh i got like um i posted something on twitter about ice and i admit
00:39:15.520
it was very pro ice i i make no apology i support ice i wish they they were doing more um but uh the
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way that i worded it was a little spicy uh to say the least and so i got like all the you know hate
00:39:28.500
mail and and i got docked somebody like threw it up on red reddit it went super viral with my
00:39:33.860
address with the church's address phone number all that kind of stuff and uh and so i had my family
00:39:38.840
uh stay home that sunday because i got a i think it was like 15 or 16 death threats i'm gonna kill
00:39:44.040
you on sunday and so of course we did church and i've got my shield on and stuff like that and um
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they've got the ar i got you know everything um but my son like really wanted to come i was like
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i'm sorry man you gotta you know he's he's little i was like you gotta stay home but he was so
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excited about the family as soon as i came home he was like dad how many bad guys did you kill
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you know i was like i was like zero and that's good you know praise god for that but uh but my
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point is like i want to foster that in him not violence but courage and the sense of we defend
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we protect i think they purposely attacked masculinity so we wouldn't stand up to them
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that's right i don't want strong men saying no having boundaries setting things they tried
00:40:22.920
making us feminine believing in the following the women women hate that too they want a strong man
00:40:27.680
to lead doesn't mean you're like a bully and a dictator of course you listen to your you know
00:40:32.500
wife's opinion and stuff but it's like they want you to lead right right i think another thing
00:40:37.280
that's been attacked really bad you might not have seen it as much but me i lived in the cities for
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a lot of years new york san francisco no one's having kids you know thankfully i had a kid young
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but then it's like way later you start realizing like oh i should have had more kids in between
00:40:49.120
it's normal because everyone's like doing that and then they won't and all the girls are struggling
00:40:53.380
having kids they don't know why it's because they're like 35 yeah it's because they're too
00:40:56.820
old it's because of ssris it's because like there's a yeah there's a lot of stuff chemically
00:41:02.800
even that's just um making people less fertile it's um it's a tragedy but yeah they make having
00:41:17.540
but people think they can't like bring their kids places.
00:41:24.100
and people will like pick up our tab, random strangers,
00:41:27.120
because they're just encouraged to see a large family
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with a husband and a wife and five young children.
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is they'll be like your children are so well behaved and they'll say like you're so lucky
00:41:43.140
as though like um it just happened randomly it's just happened it's like uh and i you know it's
00:41:48.400
like look god's been kind but i assure you luck has nothing to do with it we work our butts off
00:41:53.720
uh mom and i training our children they they're not just well behaved by accident we have to
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practice at home no it's obviously it's always going to be a struggle with kids they're not
00:42:04.360
to behave but like you can't just let your kids have no manners and run around not obviously have
00:42:09.420
energy run around sometimes but it's like they have to know when the context yeah when when to
00:42:13.340
have respect you don't want to be overly hard either and have your kids not like you but it's
00:42:17.320
like they have to learn manners please thank you and it's just so many people just allow their kids
00:42:21.560
to do whatever yep um is there any anybody on the right who's who's like like unapologetically
00:42:30.400
christian that's a friend of yours that like that that shares about christ with you bryce mitchell
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bryce mitchell i've heard of him he's a fighter he's pretty well known he's um he has very
00:42:42.160
controversial uh remarks that he said he wanted he would go fishing with hitler or something
00:42:46.720
super viral i was just out at his gym with russell brand you know him uh him yeah i've heard
00:42:52.200
of him to to i don't know russell as well but just wonderful guys and they're awesome jesus you know
00:42:58.760
we prayed together and did a lot of you know he said i i do like jesus and stuff so i am talking
00:43:04.280
to all these people cool have you um in the last couple years as you've been kind of exploring
00:43:09.800
faith um have you visited a church or anything like that i have not okay do you think you ever
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will come by your church i would love to have you come to our church like i like the anti-zionist
00:43:20.040
i couldn't do like a zionist church that's like oh of course yeah judeo-christian values like
00:43:26.920
Yeah, Judeo-Christian, I'm sure you've seen the memes
00:43:30.380
where it's like a picture of Christ on the cross
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Because I know you're in town for a little bit.
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i'm not sure if i'm gonna be here in san antonio so you're going to san antonio saturday but i
00:43:57.880
have your number if you're in town uh how long is it like an hour two hours uh about an hour and a
00:44:03.640
half the service try to make it yeah it's a little early for me but i that would be cool to do that
00:44:08.520
today that would be if i come back from san antonio okay let me know i'll text you and let
00:44:14.100
you know here i'll see if i can bring nate diaz he's a really big star in fighting i don't know
00:44:18.020
if you follow fighting but i i don't the guys who are running the tech right now are probably
00:44:22.960
yelling to themselves like joel you should know this because they probably know our time i hear
00:44:27.120
we're doing some seminars and some business stuff together cool that'd be great if both of you guys
00:44:30.880
came um so back to the question because you you didn't quite answer it i'm not trying to put you
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on the spot i just really am curious um if if somebody says you know what is what is what is
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the gospel what does someone have to believe to be a christian what what what is your impression
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what do you think well i used to think having to go to church and stuff but is it just a belief in
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god and taking jesus in your heart is that all it is is it that simple or is that's a complex
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good question um so i think going to church is important for a number of reasons but not to be
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saved um what i would say is um and what i believe more importantly who cares what i would say but
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what i think the bible says is um that at the end of the day all have sinned and fallen short of the
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glory of god and so are some people worse than others yes there there are degrees of sin um we
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all sin but there's degrees but we've all sinned right so some people are worse there are serial
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killers and people who are not serial killers so certainly there are different degrees of outward
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manifestations of wickedness and evil but at the level of the heart um we've all sinned against
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god we've all been proud we've all been arrogant we've all been selfish we've all you know these
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kinds of things and because god is holy um he cannot maintain his perfect justice without
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compromising his justice and somehow turn a blind eye to our sin and so in order for sin to be
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forgiven um but without justice being compromised it has to be atoned for paid and so the idea of
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christian faith is that jesus was that payment it's not just that he was physically tormented
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tons of martyrs throughout uh throughout history have died for love of other if it's just
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sacrificial love somebody giving up their life out of love for someone else you've got joan of arc
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you've got william wallace you've got there are plenty of people who've done that but but the
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christian idea is that jesus is the son of god and he didn't just die brutally at the hands of men
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but ultimately on the cross not only is he physically being tortured but he's actually
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enduring the wrath of god the father that the father who loved the son in that moment that
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the son took upon himself our sin and the father in his holiness poured out his own wrath on his
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own son to um to satiate all the wrath of god to uh to punish in full our sin in christ so that we
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can be forgiven but god still upholding his justice so in other words the cross is a place
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where both the justice of god and the mercy of god kiss um because if god forgave sinners any other
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way apart from death right the bible says the wages of sin is death and so the christian is
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someone who deserves death because of his sin but the death has already been endured by someone else
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and and so then it's like well then how how does that how do i lay hold of that how do i know that
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if jesus died how do i know his death is for me and it's by grace alone through faith alone in
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christ alone so trusting in jesus that he is the son of god that he lived a perfect life that he
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died not just a death as as a um sacrificial love as an example but as a substitute he died as
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payment in my place rose from the dead um and i'm trusting in him my sin was transferred to his
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account it was punished in him instead of in me his righteousness transferred to my account and now
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i live forever more with him so i'm i'm curious um is i i'm not gonna put you on the spot right
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now to you know but um is that something that you're open to no i am no i am open there was
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one you might have just answered it something that's always bothered me a little bit is original
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sin like a child born with sin right doesn't seem right to me but if it's that kind of the point of
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that's one of the few things that I've struggled with.
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That's one of the toughest ones right there for me.
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but I believe that life begins at the moment of conception,
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that that was a child made in the image of God.
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but i believe you know like i just said you know six children one in glory i notice i don't say
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six children one in hell yeah so i believe that that child is in glory um that said uh now christians
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debate this but um i believe that the traditional historic christian view is total depravity total
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depravity does not mean utter depravity so utter depravity is like you're doing outwardly as much
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evil as you possibly can. Total depravity means outwardly, you may do a host of a ton of good
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things. You might cure cancer. You might walk a sweet old lady across the street. You might pay
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your taxes. You might be faithful in your marriage. You might be a good dad. But total depravity is
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not utter depravity, outward manifestations of constant wickedness all the time. But it means
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at the level of the heart that even when I do outwardly good things, that apart from faith in
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Christ that all my good deeds, all my righteousness, the Bible says, all my righteousness is as filthy
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rags, meaning that even if I do something good, there's still tainted motives. There's still
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selfish incentives. There's still the temptation to have some kind of angle to where I can benefit.
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It's rarely truly a selfless act. So back to the child question, I believe that every single child
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from conception um is born in total depravity david said in sin uh this is in the psalms king
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david in sin did my mother conceive me and in iniquity i was brought forth and so what he's
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saying is that from the womb um because of the curse because sin has entered the world um from
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the womb i was afflicted with the curse of sin um but this is the same david who later on he has
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a child one of his children that dies um shortly after birth and he when the child dies he's
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praying and fasting asking the lord when the child's sick like please don't let the child die
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and then when the child does die he says i know now um that the child will not be here with me
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but i will go to meet with the child in in other words the implication there is he's assuming that
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this child um is in glory in heaven and so this is the same david who says in my mother's womb
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i was conceived in sin and then his baby child he's saying is in glory um and so i i believe
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that historic christian position is that um that those children who die in utero infancy um young
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childhood you know two three you know young um the bible doesn't give a specific age like at this
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you know many years old but but young children a couple years old or something yeah like that when
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and here's the point, and it's important theologically,
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They never threw a fit, they never were selfish.
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You have to teach them not to be selfish, that's a good point.
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So they're born in sin, like all human beings are,
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They haven't had their chance to really properly.
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It's like, it's not like one person has the ability to say,
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I could read it myself and try to interpret it.
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like i believe in absolute truth so there are a ton of different interpretations um whenever
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there's contradicting interpretations we can't all be right yeah now here's the crazy it's like
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well you think you're right yes every position that i have i have that position because i think
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i'm right yeah obviously but i could be wrong i recognize that i could be wrong that's that's
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important to realize some things i'm pretty strong about but you have to always be open-minded to
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i hate being wrong but occasionally all i was wrong you and i both like i mean how many times
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a lot more than i thought yeah but i do change all change meaning what like we acknowledge yeah
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i used to be wrong yeah particularly yeah like a lot of things you realize and the more you start
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looking at it studying it like i said earlier mentioned like the gay marriage for example
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i thought guys are being crazy being like oh they're gonna go for pedophilia next like oh my
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god come on right they were right they were right they were so right they literally started seeing
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it after that being like whoa i started seeing like a minor attracted person like they really
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are trying to normalize pedophilia yep okay so here at the end last thing i want to ask is um
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for guys who want to you know follow you listen to you who maybe aren't familiar with you what's um
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maybe one or two podcasts that you've done you know since you started over the last you know
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you started what a year ago two years a year and a half ago okay so in the last year and a half
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what are a couple of the issues or even just one issue that kind of puts you on the map
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things that like whoa well i mean issues i mean i talk a lot about israel trying not to just talk
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about that but i also try you know branching out and doing like alternative history talking about
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spiritual stuff i don't want to be just talking i cover fighting and some too right doing more
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politics but cover some fighting um lots of politics different issues at the moment israel
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kind of is the most important issue so it's like yeah it really is i've talked about that the most
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but that is kind of been the current issue we've been talking about it for a few years but everyone
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else's guys like nick we talked about long before us but now everyone's catching up where we were
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everyone's catching a lot of people are telling me like oh man between gaza and then epstein and
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then now iran like it's i mean even like boomer zionist grandmas are like maybe israel isn't our
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greatest ally it's like yes exactly well i have a question yeah okay for churches yeah someone's
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anti-zionist is there a way to find anti-zionist churches dude that is there should be a website
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needs to create that you're absolutely right because that right there like there's no way
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i could go to a zionist church i think church is important like you said though to build
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i think we're losing church is when the west started declining a little bit because it was
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culture we brought us together we judged each other right you had to look there was accountability
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put on your good clothes like if i was drinking all week i had to go you know you see looking
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all disheveled on a sunday right you know like oh i don't want to go out all night you know
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partying if i have sunday i have to do church in the morning it's like it holds you accountable
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you're right you're absolutely right i what i've been telling people for a while is um i have a lot
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of friends that are catholic i'm protestant but a lot of catholic friends i think um catholics and
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this is both of these are generalizations so i'm a protestant but i'm not a zionist there are
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catholics who are not globalists but i think that in a general sense some of the catholic guys uh
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tend towards globalism it's like immigration is cool as long as they're catholic oh you know it's
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uh it's a haitian but don't worry this is a catholic haitian you know um and then on the
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protestant side um they're insufferable zionist and so um i think like that like finding um
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some yeah some kind of system to say like a good people can find a church that fits them and maybe
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the zionists want to find that there needs to be a way to sort out church tucker should do something
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yeah because someone famous like that could do a way like people could register because i could
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do that but i just don't know how many people would use it or hear about it you know but somebody big
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probably needs to come up with some kind of church finder site probably a lot of people like that
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that do want a community they do want it right they want to be around the right people like how
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how did your people react when you became anti-zionist well i think initially um there was
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a split you know some people liked it and some people left you know stop following me uh whatever
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but but you know what i mean honestly it in a lot of ways it's less of a left and right issue it's
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more of a generational divide so most people it's been my experience most people under the age of
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like 45 yeah they're like the older people they can't snap but it's like too brainwashed or not
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willing to change and the boomers are frustrating but at the same time i'm sympathetic because like
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the boomers they're like the most psyop generation of all of human history you know what i mean like
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they were watching walter cronkite and it's like and that's just the facts it was never just the
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facts you know but like today it's like we have all these alternative news sites and different
00:57:10.620
you know you can listen to jake shields you can listen like us can can be media that's right
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right but back in the day wait i can be a voice like our parents generation they had like three
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channels you know what i mean so it's like so you have like the the widest reach of media ever
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but zero selection you got one and everybody just thought it was true you know so i like i'm
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sympathetic to a generation of people who for 40 years have been propagandized that said
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even if you've been propagandized for 40 years when the facts come out you need to be willing
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to humble yourself you know i hope i don't become older and not open-minded me too and the amount
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of friends i've had that said they've changed their mind in the last year are crazy have you
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had a similar yes reaction oh yeah i thought you were crazy now like two that are hardcore zina so
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that's it feels feels good getting a little vindication considering how like attacked we
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well that's why i look when i'm fighting with nick i'm like man look what this guy went through
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yeah he went through all these years that's when i go okay i need to stop this bullshit
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yeah it's pretty crazy all right where can uh our listeners follow you by youtube just jake
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shields it's fightback podcast i think putting my name up twitter jake shields ajj instagram i just
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started a facebook and i got about 40 followers okay i know uh basically i need to get tiktok
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going yeah it's just there's so many platforms well tiktok is hard man we like we just you know
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we were late to the bandwagon we just tried to start a tiktok this year and uh i just got banned
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like a few months ago larry ellison oracle like 85 percent of tiktok is owned by a jew so it's
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like we're not just we're not doing very good on tiktok that's why i gotta decide if i want to
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restart tiktok or just give up on it we just kind of gave up um you know we'll still post a little
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bit but it just doesn't get traction instagram like short reels on instagram are actually doing
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pretty well right now that's already do pretty well yeah i hear facebook has like three billion
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people but i just i personally don't use it so i neglected it but that's why i'm like okay i have
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all this content anyways am i supposed to start putting on facebook as well i think they're just
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now hearing about it cool like twitter's that's where the ideas are shaped but like that's not
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where the most people are right yep yeah you're right yeah twitter is i think the best major
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platform like there are smaller ones like gab or whatever you know but in terms of major platforms
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i think twitter's the best but you're right like uh where ideas are fun it's still kind of but then
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but then more people are on facebook ideas are fought there but then they seep to facebook
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instagram other places right it's kind of like twitter is like 4chan and then facebook it's
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important for people to be there fighting for the ideas the battle there but upstream but there's
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more correct it's all over faith the stuff we're talking about is all over facebook now instagram
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is crazy yep you're right well jake shields thanks for coming on the show really great meeting you