In this episode, we discuss the difference between Jew and Gentile, and the differences between Judeo-Christian and Christian nationalist pastor, Joel Webin. We also discuss the role of Jewish people in the modern world, and why they should not be treated as second-class citizens.
00:00:00.000really when you think about it jew and gentile is a whole other category besides ethnicity and race
00:00:06.500right because jews they distinguish themselves from every other group as a classification right
00:00:13.380they don't say like well there's jews and then there's persians and then there's egyptians they0.87
00:00:17.060say no there's the jews and then there's the nations right and we're against them and we1.00
00:00:21.380in a spiritual sense are higher we're chosen they are beasts that look like people right and0.94
00:00:29.160And so when you have someone like a Norm Finkelstein, for example, like he criticizes the genocide in Gaza and Israel, but somebody gets up and says there's a Zionist occupation regime and he walks away.0.67
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00:09:34.180i thought about the term because i didn't just mindlessly repeat this i said how actually can0.70
00:09:40.860this be is is this not a contradiction in terms because to be jewish is to reject christ right
00:09:47.040to be a christian is to embrace christ and people don't typically think of it this way but
00:09:52.920judaism forks when christ arrives christianity comes from judaism and emerges from judaism
00:10:01.840And then what we call Judaism today emerges from the events of the Passion, which is the splitting of the veil, the destruction of the temple, the expulsion of the Jews from the Holy Land, and the end of temple worship as the Jewish people.0.72
00:10:15.780And so from that Jewish community, you get the Christians, and then you get the Jews.
00:10:21.860and what's really interesting about the term there's the theological contradiction which is
00:10:27.080that some embraced christ and said there's no need for the temple sacrifice we have the ultimate
00:10:32.460sacrifice the others said one day we'll return we'll rebuild the temple we'll come back to the
00:10:38.300holy land outside the obvious theological contradiction is the history which i don't
00:10:43.360even think people know because when you hear judeo-christian you tend to think that things
00:10:48.920have always been the way they are in America. Because in the United States of America, you've
00:10:53.220had, with some exceptions, notably Christians and Jews largely living together, especially for the0.60
00:11:00.660past hundred years, and Jews being assimilated. For the most part, we think they're assimilated
00:11:06.200into America. But the history of Europe, could you imagine going back to the 1500s and telling
00:11:13.080the Jews and Christians then about a Judeo-Christian civilization? They would say, I don't know what
00:11:18.180you're talking about because for thousands of years the historical experience of the Jews and
00:11:24.800Christians is that they've been in conflict basically in a state of constant conflict
00:11:29.440starting with the Roman Empire's destruction of the temple the Jewish rebellions led against the
00:11:35.740Roman Empire and then the expulsion of the Jews from Palestine that's how it starts
00:11:40.140and I learned about this after I started to see there were a few notable pictures I think one
00:11:48.000was posted by brett weinstein or maybe his brother eric of him flipping off the arch of titus
00:11:53.660in italy there he is flipping off it's a it's a point of view he's showing his middle finger to
00:11:59.680the arch and i said what's going on in this picture and the arch of titus is built to
00:12:05.280commemorate the attack well not the attack but the suppression of the rebellion by the jews in
00:12:11.980Israel, taking their stuff, pushing the people out. According to the Jews, hundreds of thousands0.54
00:12:18.100died. They talk about it like it's another Holocaust, basically. But this one happened
00:12:22.5402000 years ago. And many people don't even know about these events, that this was extremely
00:12:27.020traumatic, extremely violent. This is how really you could argue medieval and then modern civilization
00:12:35.240begins, is with an attack or suppression by the Roman Empire against the Jews, which they never0.85
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00:14:26.180named Adam King. And he believes that underneath the Vatican are all the treasures that the Roman
00:14:32.160Empire stole from Israel. They're like giant menorah, they're a library. He believes that
00:14:38.100when the Jewish Messiah comes, he will destroy modern Rome, which is the church, and Western0.84
00:14:44.740Europe, which is sort of interesting because if you're being told about this Judeo-Christian0.94
00:14:49.160civilization, it seems like these are in conflict, actually. The Roman Empire and Israel from the
00:14:55.660start then the jews are expelled and and to me this is maybe the most essential characteristic1.00
00:15:02.620is that they're a wandering people unlike the franks the goths the romans there are people with0.98
00:15:11.080no homeland no no native land to call their own so they're dispersed from palestine into europe0.99
00:15:18.360and they're unwelcome there because they're ethnic outsiders religious outsiders and they're a0.99
00:15:24.200minority. This is what shapes their experience in Europe. And as a minority in many of these
00:15:30.900Western kingdoms, they're not given the same rights. They're not integrated. We tend to think,
00:15:38.040and again, this is our bias, that everything is like America. Everything is tolerant. Everyone's
00:15:43.020integrated and assimilated. People don't realize that for thousands of years, Jews existed
00:15:48.020segregated from everybody else in their own communities, speaking a different language
00:15:53.660with their own courts, their own laws,
00:15:56.300different rights under the law, different roles.
00:15:59.500In many countries, their land ownership was restricted.
00:16:51.640because king edward in 1290 said jews are banned from living here and they all leave
00:16:57.920and until 1650 not a single jew resides in the entire country so for hundreds of years
00:17:04.920they're being forcibly converted expelled segregated there's a dual law like an apartheid
00:17:13.480system they have different rights and laws and over the years they're always moving around from
00:17:18.580Palestine into Western Europe, from Western Europe to the Netherlands, Netherlands back to
00:17:24.780England, many of them moving over to Poland, then in Russia. And throughout this time,
00:17:29.280they're subject to what they call a blood libel, angry mobs, pogroms, all these different abusive
00:17:35.100policies. This is a Judeo-Christian civilization. Now, maybe Jews and Christians live side by side
00:17:42.860for thousands of years, and it's certainly a complicated history, and it's a diverse and
00:17:47.340it's a long history. But the idea that it's a unified history, that it's a hyphenated history,
00:17:53.360it has no basis in reality. And I think people just don't know the facts.
00:17:58.240And over this time, it engenders, of course, deep resentment. And it goes both ways.
00:18:04.460And what's interesting is that in modern times, of course, it's like everything else. We always
00:18:10.140talk about racism and anti-Semitism, but it's only ever proceeding from white Christian men.0.99
00:18:16.560White Christian men are inherently violent and cruel and prejudiced against the Africans, against Muslims, against the indigenous, against the Jews.0.99
00:18:44.920They were segregated, and that engendered a lot of hatred among them against the Romans, against ethnic Europeans, against Christians.
00:18:57.740And you see this in many of the controversies.0.79
00:19:01.100One of the criticisms of the Jews is they said that they would sacrifice Christian children or that they would kill Christians.1.00
00:19:08.480I don't find that hard to believe.0.98
00:19:10.400I think that if Jews are a minority, the wandering minority, if they're being subjected to a double standard in the law, if they're being segregated, is it outside the question that they hate their Christian hosts, that they might kill some of them?0.85
00:19:28.240They might do it in secret or in a conspiratorial way?0.96
00:19:31.120I don't find that hard to believe.0.58
00:19:32.800And so 2,000 years characterized as Judeo-Christian, in reality, it's a history of Jewish-Christian conflict.
00:19:40.400And it happens to be occurring, the venue for this is Europe and Christendom, but there's
00:20:09.960They have their own laws. They speak Yiddish. They don't have the same rights. Napoleon comes along, emancipates them. And for the first time in Western Europe, they're allowed to integrate and assimilate. And as Napoleon invades Europe in the Napoleonic Wars, he brings the legal code with him as he sweeps across Western, Central, Eastern Europe, emancipating and liberating the Jews.
00:20:34.480And so the situation in the late 19th century, which is kind of where the current situation emerges, is this. The vast majority of Jews are actually living in Russia because the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth before that, that was the only place the Jews were given full legal equality.
00:20:53.420So all the Jews that were expelled and kicked out of Western Europe, most of them end up in Poland and Lithuania, which is then annexed by Russia.
00:21:01.920So they find themselves mostly in Russia because of this historic situation.0.64
00:21:07.080After Napoleon's wars, there are some Jews in Western Europe, and they begin to become powerful because of assimilation.
00:21:14.300They start to identify as English, French, German.0.52
00:21:20.680they become nationalistic for the various countries. They become very rich and powerful.
00:21:26.540You have a small minority of Jews, assimilated, rich, powerful, living in Western Europe.0.95
00:21:32.180Most of them, however, are living in the Pale of Settlement in Russia. They're living in these1.00
00:21:37.160shtetls in towns. They're being attacked by angry mobs. The Tsar of Russia hates them.
00:21:43.500And the Jews of Europe are in this predicament where it seems that in the West, they're becoming
00:21:48.280assimilated and may disappear. But in the East, it's untenable because they're constantly being1.00
00:21:53.180accused of murdering Christians or constantly being attacked by the government and by angry
00:21:57.740mobs. This is where Zionism is born. And the Zionists say, we will never be safe unless we0.98
00:22:07.220have our own country. We'll never protect our own identity unless we have our own country.0.74
00:22:12.740We need a place where we can be safe. We need a place where we could be Jewish.
00:22:16.580Jewish, we need a place where we could be safe as Jews. And so they resolve at the end of the 19th
00:22:22.620century then to colonize Palestine. Now, at the same time in Russia, the situation is heating up.
00:22:29.560The pogroms are intensifying. Attacks on Jews are intensifying. And the conditions are very bad. The
00:22:35.500country is poor in general. The autocracy is failing. They start fleeing to the United States.
00:22:42.100And so what happens in the 20th century is that the Jews, who used to mostly live in Russia and some in Western Europe, now they're heading to the United States.0.86
00:22:51.140And the United States becomes the capital of Jewry.0.88
00:22:54.320And increasingly, as they settle Palestine, Israel becomes another center of power.0.90
00:22:58.640And it's only in the last 100 years that you have this situation where most of the world's Jews are living in America and in Israel.0.75
00:23:06.540and now that we have this arrangement between america and israel of america supporting israel
00:23:13.760and israel influencing america it's only in this context and especially since world war ii
00:23:19.320that now they push this calculated line that we've always been together that jews and christians
00:23:25.860have always gotten along throughout the history of western civilization like they have in the last
00:23:31.240let's say, 70 years in America. That was never the case. And so I would say that when you
00:23:37.460sort of understand, and that's just a very rough sketch, when you understand the history of Jews0.97
00:23:43.240and Europeans, you realize that we might be able to coexist, but we can never truly integrate0.98
00:23:51.260because Jews are not Christians and they're not Europeans. And they never identified that way.1.00
00:23:57.160And as a matter of fact, they're hostile to both, theologically inconsistent with Christianity
00:24:02.040and historically have animosity against the Europeans.
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00:25:45.000What the Catholic Church says about the Jews, they've written many encyclicals on this over
00:25:51.080the years, they call as the Jews. They say that Jews will not have access to salvation without
00:25:57.540Christ. It's still, there's one door. It says, but we should not forcibly convert them. We should
00:26:04.620give them dignity and respect. They should have basic rights. But we also do recognize that they
00:26:10.920are subversive. Because they're disconnected from Christ, they're disconnected from God.
00:26:15.340And so I guess my position to sum it up is that, like you, I don't want to be cruel against Jews.
00:26:22.580I don't hate them. I don't want to destroy them. I don't even think that's possible.
00:26:26.840We consider them a witness people. They're a witness to the crucifixion. But certainly,
00:26:32.060we have to recognize them as fundamentally aliens and outsiders. And I don't think we should0.99
00:26:37.060try to assimilate them. I don't think we can, but certainly we can't treat them as indistinguishable
00:26:43.640from other Christians or other Europeans. Right. I agree. It's a pretty massive difference.0.95
00:26:49.180And yet with all these other false religions that are demonic in their own right, all false0.96
00:26:54.740religions lead to hell. It's like with every false religion, Christians, you know, stand1.00
00:27:01.200strongly, adamantly against it. And yet we have this weird carve out. Whereas I feel like the1.00
00:27:08.060argument can be made that Islam has a view of Christ. They deny his deity. They don't believe1.00
00:27:15.980that he's God, but they still esteem him as a prophet. And I despise Islam. But my point is1.00
00:27:22.840Islam sees Jesus as a pretty good guy. Buddhism sees Jesus as a pretty good guy. Hinduism sees
00:27:31.040jesus as a pretty good guy uh judaism sees jesus in hell a blasphemer um maybe some some human0.97
00:27:39.960excrement thrown in there you know depending what you're reading uh and and we pick that false0.92
00:27:47.020religion of all the false religions to be our greatest ally as as christian nations as christian
00:27:52.520people it just doesn't make sense no and and i don't even think people understand the lengths
00:27:58.780that they go to the jews and their hatred of christians people don't even realize they hate0.57
00:28:03.740christians but if you go through and and i've i have not read the talmud this is always the
00:28:09.900gotcha because they say if you read the talmud and they say it's thousands of pages and it mostly
00:28:14.380deals with um it's a legal code it's rabbis debating how to interpret the the various
00:28:19.080commandments in the old testament and so they say most of it is pretty uh it's minutia it's um
00:28:24.840That's true. Trivial. But if you read even some of what Israelis or Jews write about the Talmud, it's very clear that the way that the rabbinical Jewish religion sees Christians is as idolaters, which is interesting because that is the same reason that Muslims hate Christians.
00:28:44.080because i've debated with some muslims and you know there's some commonalities like you said i
00:28:50.200think muslims are more sympathetic to christians because they consider us people of the book
00:28:54.380and they consider christ to be a prophet they consider him to be a messiah technically right
00:28:59.680they can't really define what messiah means they consider him like a major prophet which prefigures
00:29:04.680muhammad but why they theologically disagree with christianity is they believe in taweed which is
00:29:12.920one god that's why they raised the finger it's all about allah and so they see the triune god
00:29:19.380the holy spirit and jesus christ as a form of idolatry so the the formal problem they have
00:29:25.440is that we're idolaters jews view us in exactly the same way because they worshiping yahweh
00:29:31.780see the deification of christ as a form of idolatry and what they interpret in the talmud
00:29:38.460from the old testament is that they cannot praise idolaters so it says you cannot say
00:29:46.840kind things about christians it says you have to spit when passing their cemeteries
00:29:54.060or their houses of worship you can't enter into one of their houses of worship
00:29:58.960and they will even go into they say some sex of christianity they will go into the house of
00:30:04.880worship if they don't see Christ as God, because that is where they draw the line. And it extends
00:30:11.200even further into intermarrying. It extends further into killing. They believe that if an
00:30:17.220idolater is in peril and might die, a Jewish person has no obligation to save them because
00:30:23.420they see idolaters as the enemy. And there is something interesting about the Old Testament0.55
00:30:28.080and the New Testament. And you're the expert. I'm not a theological expert on this or a biblical
00:30:33.580expert by any stretch. I don't believe, although it's prefigured, I don't believe that you see an
00:30:40.180explicit message in the Old Testament that's all about forgiveness and turning the other cheek.
00:30:46.100I don't think you see a message like, forgive them, they know not what they do. You see a lot
00:30:51.540more of the Amalekites need to be destroyed, kill the women, the children, salt the earth.1.00
00:30:58.140And I think that's borne out in the way the Israelis treat the Palestinians and the way1.00
00:31:02.400that they treat the former nazis who they hunted down or any of their enemies and so what you have
00:31:09.260is a religion which many jews today are very secular but regardless for thousands of years
00:31:15.040their religion is literally set against it with a seething hatred against christ and christianity0.89
00:31:21.440and and there's no identity that can be achieved between us that's not a little brother or an older
00:31:27.580brother, that's adversarial. Right. I agree. Yeah. That's part of what I was reading at the
00:31:33.560beginning. Um, I mean, you can go to, you know, nations all over the world and, um, you know,
00:31:40.760you can tell, uh, one pastor said, uh, you can tell which nations have been affected by Christodom,
00:31:47.180uh, by simply coming to a four-way stop and seeing how they, how they handle it. Um, is it
00:31:53.460might makes right, you know, or is there even the concept of courtesy or order, you know,
00:32:00.900organization, those kinds of things. And, and I, yeah, I just, you know, the people will say,
00:32:07.280well, you know, so many Jews don't even practice Judaism. And that's true. But in the same way that1.00
00:32:13.940we have so many people in America that have not ever darkened the doorway of a church in their
00:32:20.800entire lives, or maybe they've gone once or twice and would not even profess to be Christians,
00:32:26.180much less living like one. Still, just by virtue of being born and raised in America,0.93
00:32:33.660whether you're conscious of it or not, every American has been shaped by Christian thought,
00:32:40.400Christian values, Christian doctrine. We take these things for granted. We just think that
00:32:45.320we're enlightened, you know, and that it somehow just, I don't know, just always was, but it wasn't.
00:32:51.780These things had to be learned. We had to learn courtesy. We, we, we developed, we improved,
00:32:58.820we had to be shaped and it was religion that shaped us. And, and so I think every, you know,
00:33:05.240culture, the Latin word cultists, worship, every single society, every nation, every people,
00:33:12.180their culture is very much shaped by their religion, whether, you know, future generations
00:33:20.620are adherent practicers of the religion or not. So to say that, because that's kind of the excuse
00:33:28.560that I'll hear a lot of people, Christians, using to try to carve out, you know, exceptions and0.68
00:33:33.600make defenses for Jews, as they'll say, well, yeah, I guess Judaism isn't great, you know,
00:33:40.100Um, but you know, it's only a, a 20% or 30% of Jews that actually are practicing Judaism.
00:33:47.340Um, so the rest of them, you know, they're okay.0.83
00:33:50.740And I would say, yeah, no, but the whole culture, the whole people have been shaped, uh, by0.84
00:33:57.540Judaism and at its core, uh, it's like, well, what's, what's the core distinctive of Judaism?0.83
00:51:31.720you know and most protestant you know ecclesiastical polity is congregational
00:51:37.520which is just the uh the church polity equivalent of democracy right and um especially baptists and
00:51:45.260i am a baptist um but uh but i have always found that peculiar like why like okay so we believe
00:51:53.240like it's not like on sunday we just sit in a circle and everybody gets two minutes to share
00:51:58.280like we believe in a pastor we believe that somebody would be more qualified and authoritative
00:52:03.940to to share the word of god to preach and to administer the sacraments but when it comes to
00:52:10.020voting on decisions of the church every single member of the church including children in baptist
00:52:15.540polity i get an equal vote so you could have like a nine-year-old voting against their dad
00:52:20.140it's like what you know which is kind of crazy and uh catholics would never do that no i mean
00:52:27.440what are you talking about? You know, like in Catholics, you always know who's in charge1.00
00:52:31.460because of the size of their hat, you know, the bigger the hat, you know, like that guy's,1.00
00:52:35.660his hat's small. And well, we could go with that analogy a little bit more. The smallest hat
00:52:40.720gets kicked out of the country, 109 countries. Um, but, but I, I wonder if, I wonder if, um,
00:52:49.520now obviously I'm a convicted Protestant, so I'd like to think that Protestants could figure this
00:52:54.140out. But I do wonder if, if you can correlate, um, the rejection of monarchs and, and rejection
00:53:01.260of an Episcopal, not Episcopalian, but it's, it's called Episcopal polity. Episcopalians have it.
00:53:07.040Anglicans on the Protestant side have it, you know, and, um, and Catholics have it, but it's the idea
00:53:11.800of, of, um, a hierarchical authority, right? Like you, you have, you know, Pope and Cardinals and
00:53:19.140bishops and you know and so on and so forth and and there are protestant versions of that
00:53:23.580like it's not a coincidence that when england went protestant it didn't go baptist it didn't
00:53:29.300go presbyterian it went anglican because anglicans still understand hierarchy and they have that
00:53:34.560built into their their politic um there actually is um a ladder of authority and but i wonder with
00:53:41.660with you know that further rejection of hierarchy and distinction um and that happening simultaneously
00:53:48.900I guess my point is it was happening at the same time, politically and religiously, both the church
00:53:55.140and the state kind of relinquishing any acknowledgement of, yeah, some, some people
00:54:02.500are fit to rule, others are not. And some people are divinely appointed to rule, others are not.
00:54:09.280And, and as those things dissipate, um, all of a sudden, like, like it seems as though the West0.99
00:54:16.560falls under this jewish power yeah well and you know the catholic church is not even immune from0.98
00:54:22.840that either at the same time now did you guys you guys have your jewish problems we do and uh you0.99
00:54:29.000know vatican too is a perfect example where for thousands of years the catholic doctrine on jews
00:54:34.860was extremely consistent then you have this nostra tate which was introduced by a jew who came to the0.57
00:54:41.440council and said, Oh, I have this idea. And, uh, and there's a lot of debate. They had to kind of
00:54:47.160recapitulate it several times every decade. They revisited in the seventies, the eighties and
00:54:52.140nineties. Um, they don't know what to do with it because it's not, it's not true. It creates
00:54:57.220these ambiguities about can Jews get to heaven without accepting Christ. And I believe the1.00
00:55:03.780answer is no, but the document creates some ambiguity about that. That's terrible. And, um,
00:55:08.900You know, so, and there's a lot of Catholics that say there's this Masonic Jewish convergence inside the church in the 50s and 60s, which creates a situation.0.96
00:55:19.620And so no one is immune from that influence.0.97
00:55:23.620You guys have it in that way. Protestants have it through dispensationalism.0.98
00:59:41.080And I started to get into this on Candace Owens show.
00:59:44.160It's like this idea is sort of being expressed everywhere.
00:59:48.900It's like a deep frustration with the fundamental inequalities and qualitative differences like lookism is an unexpected one, because lookism says that your looks matter so much and you can't control them.
01:00:05.960and think about kind of the blank slate equivalent is uh well if you're confident and if you go to
01:00:13.360the gym you too can get a hot girlfriend and for some people it's like you will never get a hot0.92
01:00:20.560girlfriend little meme is so good where it's like the uh the ugly fat guy who's balding who leans in0.62
01:00:25.520and it's this woman working and he says like hey you look cute today and she's like calling like
01:00:30.440hr and then the good looking guy leans into her office and says the same thing and but that's so
01:00:35.600true you know just to prove the point that like it's not just your your behaviors or or the words
01:00:42.120that you choose to say it's like hey this uh adonis looking fellow just complimented a woman
01:00:47.320and she took it as a compliment this right not so adonis looking guy he's like and it's sexual
01:00:52.780harassment you know and it's strictly the only difference between them is looks of course we
01:00:57.840know that that's true and but what the what the incels will say is that uh you know they'll they'll
01:01:06.240say well you got to improve yourself you know you got to go to the gym eat right get a good haircut
01:01:12.680get cool clothes but what incels will do is show a picture of like a guy who's like six five with
01:01:19.580broad shoulders and a great face who doesn't work out right and then they'll show a guy who's five
01:01:24.820six balding no chin yeah and but he's jacked and they'll say well he skipped genetics day
01:01:31.560you know he didn't go to you know and it but it speaks to the fact that there are some things that
01:01:38.300are unchangeable and immutable and as americans who are turbo liberals we hate that we do because
01:01:45.880we like the idea that i could be what i want to be anything you want i'm a product of choice
01:01:50.220and of my own actions and i control my destiny and and the same applies to um feminism and sexism
01:01:58.720the same applies to race and racism yeah the same applies to i think when it comes to the jews
01:02:03.820because really when you think about it jew and gentile is a whole other category besides ethnicity0.54
01:02:09.860and race right because jews they distinguish themselves from every other group as a
01:02:16.120classification right they don't say like well there's jews and then there's persians and then
01:02:20.220there's egyptians they say no there's the jews and then there's the nations right and we're0.98
01:02:24.400against them and we in a spiritual sense are higher we're chosen they are beasts that look0.84
01:02:31.380like people right and so when you have someone like a norm finkelstein for example like he0.84
01:02:38.540criticizes the genocide in gaza and israel but somebody gets up and says there's a zionist
01:02:43.420occupation regime and he walks away right and says that's anti-jewish that's anti-semitic0.70
01:02:48.380and it's like on some level you they're always going to be jewish right and it doesn't mean
01:02:54.280that you hate them right and it doesn't mean you can't be friends with them or admire them like i
01:02:59.060and i get crap for saying this but i have many jewish friends most of them are catholic converts
01:03:04.220and they're still play fast and loose with the truth they still have some very jewish
01:03:08.780characteristics, but they're funny. They're bright. They're innovative. Like I like them a
01:03:14.920lot. They're good people, but there are certain gaps that you can never fully bridge. And as a
01:03:20.580whole, on the whole, the Jewish community, like you said, they can't turn their back on 3000 years0.97
01:03:27.920of tradition, culture, theology, history, and their story, which is we're under siege by the
01:03:35.440nations persecuted for all time for who we are it's us against the world they never fully get
01:03:41.600past that right nor can they and and that's okay but we need to kind of understand be aware of that0.99
01:03:47.540you just as well as they do yeah you exactly they know it it's all the dopey dumb christians that0.98
01:03:53.100don't know it they're like uh-uh they're our friends you know it's like they i mean they're0.99
01:03:59.000literally laughing about you when they get together and like they're they're mocking you
01:04:03.960um just as you were talking about like a lookism and just the things that are just innate right
01:04:10.580it's it's it's a blood memory you know like those kinds of things either like um i just kept thinking
01:04:16.160about uh talking you know um one of my favorite catholics uh but it it's it's cool like the older
01:04:24.440writing and lewis does this too as a protestant but uh older writing they were kind of like the
01:04:30.020last of their kind you know it was very common before them you need to read like odyssey or
01:04:34.320beowulf or um but the it's it's the the hero is not actually uh the peasant or the pauper or the
01:04:41.920common man it really met his pedigree really matters he's not a commoner and and even like
01:04:48.760if it's you know like ranger you know who's who's actually aragorn um you know like there's there's
01:04:54.660moments where it's like i do not know what nobility may be in my blood you know but i will you know
01:05:01.720you have my sword you know i'll do my best um but but notice it's it's not like here's a guy who's
01:05:07.640just yeah you know he's a common man he doesn't have the pedigree but he makes it up in spades
01:05:13.040with courage no he has courage because he is he's been groomed for generations from a courageous
01:05:21.060line and and there's been corruption in the line too azildur you know like he i mean he has great
01:05:26.240great great grandfathers who kind of ruin the world by making the wrong choice and he's you
01:05:31.320know in in very much it's in his story arc to to redeem the mistakes of his fathers but there's
01:05:37.160still his fathers and and there's nobility and there's greatness it's not a random greatness
01:05:43.440and and there's so many stories like that older stories where um somebody becomes the hero and
01:05:50.860then later in the story you find out oh that's why they're the hero they were actually um the uh the
01:05:57.140great descendant of so and so you know or like even like bilbo you know it's like like even when
01:06:03.380Tolkien's doing kind of the unexpected hero where it's like from all the
01:06:07.900people's a hobbit, you know, not an elf and not like a hobbit.
01:06:11.500But even then it's like, what kind of hobbit? Oh, well,
01:06:14.160he was a took on one side and his great uncle was the tallest hobbit there
01:06:20.120ever was and had a sense of adventure and was so big.
01:06:22.620He could ride a real horse. It's like, he's got pedigree.
01:06:25.440There's something in the blood. It's a blood memory, you know,
01:06:28.980like there's something there. And, uh, we hate that as, as Americans, we hate that as,
01:06:35.440as modernist we, we, um, but, but I think that's the world that God made. Yeah. And,
01:06:42.800and here's the cool thing is it doesn't mean it can't change now. It's not going to change in 15
01:06:47.700minutes, but, um, every, every great line of people had a first, right? Some, somebody was
01:06:56.500the first great great great grandfather who did something that that others didn't who who took the
01:07:02.320path less less trodden you know and it made all the difference and so i look at that and i think
01:07:08.420like okay um i mean you know you're jewish 3 000 years is a long time you know but uh but like but
01:07:16.380you got to start somewhere right you know it's like okay so first thing i'm going to do well0.77
01:07:20.820first thing i'm going to do is uh i'm going to say christ is king and i'm going to submit to the
01:07:26.080logos that my father's rejected. Um, and, uh, and next thing I'm going to do is, um, I'm going to
01:07:33.960work hard. I'm going to try to build wealth, all those things, but I'm going to, I'm going to
01:07:37.480intentionally, uh, do some things with my hands and, and not just, you know, banking, you know,
01:07:44.260from a computer. I'm going to, I'm going to actually, and maybe, maybe it's, you know,
01:07:48.580in our modern economy and, you know, like maybe it's not practical and, you know, so you still
01:07:53.080have a job and you're working online. It's like, but gosh, darn it. I'm going to plant a garden0.98
01:07:56.580in the backyard and I'm going to have soil on my hands, you know, because for 3000 years,
01:08:02.940my people did it, you know, like, like I'm going to have some dirt under my fingernails and I'm0.99
01:08:08.200going to teach my kids that, and they're like, and so whatever it is like for white people,0.95
01:08:13.800I'm like, um, I look back, you know, not, not all the way back King Alfred and Duke Godfrey,
01:08:18.740you know, Richard, the lion heart. I mean, we, we've got some, some great guys, but, but, you
01:08:23.200know, for the last couple hundred years, I'm like, gosh, man, we kind of suck. And, and so I'm like,0.96
01:08:28.580okay, so I think some of my recent fathers have been cowardly. I'm going to be really courageous.
01:08:33.820I'm going to teach my son to be really, really courageous. If you're black, it's like,0.98
01:08:38.260yeah, my, my people have kind of been stealing bicycles a lot, you know, for a couple of1.00
01:08:43.980generations. And, uh, when people say something mean, instead of saying something mean back,
01:08:49.020uh, like physically assaulting someone, you know, and going to jail. Okay. What am I going to,
01:08:54.380I'm not going to go to jail. I'm not going to be a criminal. I'm going to be upstanding,
01:08:57.840a citizen and, you know, and I'm going to teach my, my children to do likewise. And
01:09:02.520I do think that things can change, but, but they not, not in 15 minutes. We're talking about,
01:09:09.160we're talking about legacy like heritage um only happens because down the line further up the
01:09:16.880stream someone uh determined to start a legacy and the legacy was built over a thousand years or
01:09:23.880or a couple centuries whatever it is but generational legacy and um and so it's a
01:09:29.420it's a hard truth because people want to think i can change it all with me right and so i guess
01:09:35.360what I'm trying to say is I'm not a fatalist. I actually do believe you can change, but I think
01:09:39.820what each generation can do is you can change the direction. You can't get all the way downstream
01:09:44.660with, with one life, with one person, with one generation, but you can say, look, I'm a part of
01:09:49.780a stream that for 3000 years has been going off a cliff and I'm going to change it. I'm going to
01:09:54.300move it an inch and teach my son to move it too and teach. And who knows what the Lord could do
01:10:00.860over time like so i say that because um it could be my liberalism speaking but i i think i'd like
01:10:08.820to believe it's my christianity speaking yes hope we believe in hope and what is hope if not
01:10:15.040uh the belief that things can change right you know and i think that's why we hate intolerance
01:10:20.960you know i don't i don't consider we're christian we have these uh somewhat militant views in some
01:10:26.700ways but but i hate intolerance i really do and and i think you hit the nail on the head we hate
01:10:32.800it because there's no hope there's actually no charity christian no yeah and i i love the idea
01:10:38.040that you know for jews they always have the avenue of becoming christian yeah and and rejecting0.57
01:10:46.060because judaism as a religion it's particularist it's exclusive it's uh it's ethnic it says that0.93
01:10:53.100it's us we are in sold you are not um and so there is i think always that opportunity for them to get
01:10:59.680on the right side of history and you leave that open and if not you know i'm also a believer in
01:11:05.320as a catholic you treat them with dignity and respect and they have rights of course um but
01:11:11.340we want them to join in the communion we want them to to take their birthright which is the messiah
01:11:16.520And until that happens, you don't have to exploit, you don't have to mistreat, but it's not racist to simply notice and say, I am going to be a little cautious.
01:11:33.300And I think there's a way of doing that without being mean-spirited.
01:11:36.740So it's, it's actually just a rejection of the real world that God made that actually has distinct peoples and, and heritage matters. And we're not all just blank slates, but we're the, we're the, we're the sons of former sires, you know, and, and none of us, it's actually arrogant to think that it could be anything other than that.
01:12:02.580to think that i could come from you know a lineage and uh but that i could somehow just
01:12:09.800rise above all of it and and do whatever i want you know that's why like as you know as a calvinist
01:12:15.760i um it fits well with my soteriology because nobody really we all we like free will free
01:12:23.140i believe in human agency without human agency there's no moral culpability without moral
01:12:28.660culpability God would actually be unjust in his judgment so I like to start on the other end God
01:12:34.300is just I know that so therefore people must be morally culpable and if we're morally culpable
01:12:39.680there must be some agency but free will and just like a total sense like a libertarian free will
01:12:46.340I'm not free to will myself to be nine feet tall I cannot I'm not free to fly you know I like
01:12:54.400the the will is bound by nature like your choices um are the spectrum of choices made available to
01:13:03.080each person are only that which is within their the uh their nature right and it's the same for
01:13:09.380animals animals have less choice because of of their nature is as less versatile and less complex
01:13:16.800and less elevated and so it's you know so we call it instinct it's still choice um but it's
01:13:23.180but it's, it's so base and so narrow, you know, the choice is like, do I bark at the squirrel or
01:13:28.640the bird, you know? And like, and it's so narrow that we just call it instinct, but there's still
01:13:32.840choice. And I think of like, I wonder what God, you know, God, like the way we would look at the
01:13:37.620dog and God looking at us, it's like, I'm, I'm limitless and I can do anything. And he's like,
01:13:43.960I know what you have in the pantry. It's going to be honey nut Cheerios or Captain Crunch,
01:13:48.120Like I'm free to eat whatever I want this morning. No, you're actually not. Like by providence and by nature, those two very powerful things, the nature that God gave us and the world that he arranges around us, actually at any given moment, we really only have a limited choices available.
01:14:07.900like we're we're not just this universally free people that we think we are and uh and then when
01:14:14.580you compound that with uh being the product of you know the the sons of former sires and the
01:14:20.620choices they had and how that compounded and works with nature and provenance and it's like yeah i'm
01:14:25.980just kind of i'm in this stream for such a time as this and it may be over the course of my 80 years
01:14:34.680of life I might only actually have a handful of moments where a choice is actually within my
01:14:41.960wheelhouse actually made available to me that would also be significant that could change
01:14:47.360the trajectory you know and looking for like because there's so many things everyday life
01:14:54.380where it's like yeah of course I would have done that of course it ended up this way it's actually
01:14:58.640like it's it's weird but like so much of life is actually unsurprising so of course i did this
01:15:05.280right of course i did like there was that and that at the time of course knowing me and and what i
01:15:11.800like of course i made this choice and of course i couldn't see it then but i see it now of course
01:15:16.120this choice would lead to this next choice and that choice and and that's why i'm here you know
01:15:20.360and it's really like it's actually in god's big story you know it's all these little threads in
01:15:25.420this time, but it's, it's really somewhat rare that there's a few characters in the story and
01:15:30.740a few moments even for each of those characters where it's like, like there really is a significant
01:15:37.760choice that can alter, you know, the, the destiny of millions. And it's, and it's cool to think
01:15:45.600that like, on one hand, it's like, it's humbling to think that that's, that's who I am. I'm,
01:15:52.080I'm a peon I'm just part of the plan and then but then on the other hand if you can get over
01:15:57.320your arrogance there's a comfort like there's like a there's there's something assuring and
01:16:02.200knowing that like I can't I couldn't screw this whole thing up the world even if I tried like
01:16:09.400he's got the whole world in his hands right it's true so anyways yeah any final thoughts yeah I
01:16:15.720mean um I just what I always go back to uh because I think it makes it accessible kind of what we're
01:16:21.840describing is i like to call myself like old school when it comes to race and these types
01:16:28.480of things because we all really know what that means we think of like our grandparents
01:16:32.000they didn't hate other races they weren't filled with hatred and contempt but they had this general
01:16:39.080sense of like they've dealt with certain peoples and they kind of know what they're about so be
01:16:45.420careful around these types you know these types are always doing this or be careful even when it
01:16:50.180came to like marriage and women there was like this old world old school sensibility of like oh1.00
01:16:57.140well women are this way men are this way that's what it's always going to be blacks are this way0.71
01:17:00.880whites are this way that's the way it's going to be and and i like that because i feel like there's0.96
01:17:06.480something innocent about it in a sense and it's sort of more of a colorful colorful world now we
01:17:12.420have to pretend like we don't know these things that we all know because well what if you know
01:17:17.720they're not all like that there's one out there who might be like cool or something and um that's
01:17:24.100just how i treat it and it's funny because i talk about these types of issues on my show all the
01:17:29.280time and my clips lately are going viral on instagram and everything and what everybody0.86
01:17:35.560always says in the comments is this guy is likable they say even though even though i'm saying the n
01:17:42.440word in some of them it's black people saying i don't care i like this guy the way he's saying it
01:17:47.260Because they know it doesn't come from a place of hatred.