The NXR Podcast - THE SPECIAL - The Real Origins of JD Vance (w⧸Nick Fuentes) - EP9

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00:00:03.080 Right.

00:00:03.260 Maybe they start in the House, especially someone with no real name recognition.

00:00:07.580 Vance goes from never Trump or nobody, anti-Trump nobody, to Trump-endorsed senator from Ohio.

00:00:17.280 Then, after two years, he gets tapped to be the nominee for vice president of the United States.

00:00:24.020 Think about that.

00:00:24.720 So he gets seated in the U.S. Senate in January 2023.

00:00:30.360 In July 2024, he's tapped by Trump.

00:00:34.660 That's a fast ascendancy.

00:00:36.320 And how did that happen?

00:00:38.620 Well, you know, we talked about the,

00:00:41.300 in a different episode about the fundraiser

00:00:43.280 at David Sachs House.

00:00:45.240 Vance, his patron is Peter Thiel.

00:00:47.680 Obviously, Thiel gave him the sinecure

00:00:50.420 at the venture capital firm.

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00:02:17.420 Radical Christian Nationalist Pastor

00:02:21.560 Joel Webben

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00:02:28.140 jd vance your guy uh no not really not really jd vance peter thiel and palantir that's what 0.86

00:02:56.780 we're going to be talking about in this episode um you got peter thiel he's gay talking about i'm

00:03:02.980 building the framework for ushering in the antichrist and literally couldn't answer the 0.57

00:03:06.720 question remember the interview on like would it be bad if humanity perished it's like it's like

00:03:13.060 say bad yeah right so you got that guy uh not not a great start um alex carp who's the current ceo

00:03:20.300 of palantir who like we mentioned in one of our other episodes said his greatest fear is christian

00:03:25.180 nationalists taking power and he's jewish of course and then you have jd vance so i'll just

00:03:31.520 lead out real quick you know show my hand we talked about it before we you know we mostly

00:03:36.000 agree but we disagree a little bit um i like vance uh he's you know natural affections quoting

00:03:43.360 aquinas like i never thought you know in in my lifetime that i'd see anybody at that level in

00:03:48.820 politics you know say some of those things i don't really care margaret there are you know some good

00:03:53.200 moments um so i i do like him but i uh i'm you you're suspicious and also dislike i'm suspicious

00:04:01.360 and like and so i i told you i think i see like three potential story arcs and one of them is

00:04:06.940 going to win so on on the one hand the tech bros peter thiel palantir that's not great right number

00:04:13.980 two you named your son vivek what are we doing natural affections vivek you know like what are

00:04:22.540 we doing and it's not just that the wife is hindu or i'm sorry indian but she's hindu so even the

00:04:27.580 religious aspect so it's not just a different race but a different country not just a different

00:04:31.700 country a different religion okay so those two i'm like not great two strikes not super hopeful

00:04:38.080 but the third and i know hillbilly elegy i mean you don't you don't get a netflix special without

00:04:44.560 like this was a campaign people put money behind it you know so who knows exactly how much of it

00:04:50.280 is genuine but even if just the basic premise of you know quintessential americana appalachia

00:04:57.460 catholic white heritage american blue collar upbringing that's the third piece and if there's

00:05:04.780 any truth in that i think there's at least some truth i'm sure the embellishment then i would say

00:05:09.240 that's that's that's the hopefulness so it's like and i feel like he's gonna have a choice

00:05:15.240 like am i beholden to feel am i beholden to some hindu god or you know am i am i gonna at some

00:05:25.320 point be like no um grandma appalachia america first christ is king um and so i i feel like

00:05:35.160 there is the possibility but it's one against two two potentials that are not great one potential

00:05:41.000 so i told you like super gay analogy i get it but like star wars i see him as um the potential kind

00:05:47.320 of you know anakin darth vader that like maybe he does join the dark side you know and he does

00:05:52.720 some damage but at the end he like realizes you know remembers his natural affections and he sees

00:05:59.000 like heritage americans and christians being persecuted and he picks up the emperor and

00:06:03.260 throws him over the rail that's that's my hope so it's not my prediction it's my hope so in that

00:06:08.560 sense i like the guy but i definitely see the potential danger you now jd vance so when it

00:06:15.700 comes to jd vance i mean we're even to begin because there's there's a lot of ground to cover

00:06:20.460 there's a relationship with peter teal which is very suspicious to say the least and it's very

00:06:25.700 important relationship that's kind of the defining relationship not only of his political career but

00:06:32.620 also even of his career in the private sector. So Thiel is not just a patron in politics, but

00:06:39.680 he's truly like a mentor, arguably like a father figure. I don't know if he would characterize it

00:06:44.280 that way, but Peter Thiel really laid the groundwork for Vance's entire rise in venture

00:06:50.380 capital through to the Senate seat, and then to becoming the vice president. So like you said,

00:06:56.780 there's a relationship not only with Thiel, but with little tech, with the Silicon Valley,

00:07:01.160 the tech bros and then there's the book hillbilly elegy which is the jumping off point and it's his

00:07:08.740 biography or his autobiography and you know we have to talk about the conception of the book

00:07:14.860 like how it came to be and the message of the book because it's very important there's like

00:07:20.120 if the book is funded there's a reason why and why that story and there's a very interesting

00:07:28.740 answer to that question and then in my opinion there's his conversion and by his conversion not

00:07:35.640 his conversion to catholicism ostensibly you know he claims to have converted and maybe that's true

00:07:41.120 but it's his conversion to trumpism because yeah he was an anti-trumper he was a never-trumper

00:07:47.180 and called trump a nazi and he voted for the third party candidate in 2016 evan mcmullin

00:07:53.840 who was run by bill crystal so to kind of take it piece by piece i mean my my history with vance

00:08:01.400 because there is a history is that in 2022 i set up a program called america first candidates

00:08:08.280 because i wanted to get involved in politics i saw what happened in the first term and i said

00:08:13.580 that trump really needs like a vanguard in congress it's not just enough clearly to have

00:08:19.320 the guy at the top we need america first guys in the house and the senate uh and i liked matt gates

00:08:25.340 and marjorie green at that time i said we need people like that i like matt gates i like matt

00:08:30.380 gates a lot and he's been really solid lately and although after he's out of congress he goes full

00:08:36.640 red pill it's like you know it would have been good earlier but that's okay um so we were looking

00:08:43.180 And for people like that, and I asked around and I knew people that were running Peter Thiel's outfit, his political outfit back then, Peter Thiel was a major force in 22.

00:08:54.160 He was one of the biggest individual donors in the 22 midterm cycle, millions of dollars into Senate races, house races, into art shows, parties in New York, magazines, like, and Thiel's richer than people know.

00:09:11.080 uh they say that he's a low billionaire you know maybe he got 10 billion dollars but if you factor

00:09:17.100 in his crypto investments off the books he might be one of the richer people in the world so he is

00:09:22.900 pouring money in in order to secure the ascendancy of his people which are jd vance and blake masters

00:09:29.620 but also his loyalists and he's trying to create a political ecosystem sovereign house in new york

00:09:37.060 City, which is a venue where they host art shows and parties, Passage Press, which they publish

00:09:43.360 Curtis Yarvin's blog, Unqualified Reservations, and Steve Saylor, among many other things.

00:09:49.560 So this is the context in 22. There's all this money pouring in to kind of fashion this new

00:09:55.640 ideology they're calling national conservatism. And it went over a few different iterations.

00:10:00.640 They called it populist nationalism.

00:10:03.540 They called it multiracial working class populism, which is no joke what they called it.

00:10:09.140 That's terrible.

00:10:09.880 Yeah, it's brutal.

00:10:11.000 But Bannon was very, he was pushing that.

00:10:13.820 National conservatism, which I believe they founded in 22 with Yoram Hazoni at Edmund Burke Society.

00:10:19.600 That's the parent organization.

00:10:22.080 And out of this, you get Masters, Blake Masters, who's a student of Thiel in Arizona, and Vance in Ohio.

00:10:29.740 and i was basically recommended that i should get behind vance so i did my due diligence and i go

00:10:36.440 through his wikipedia and i find he's at the american enterprise institute which is like

00:10:41.960 one of the worst non-profits in america they're they're huge behind the war in iraq all neocons

00:10:48.300 i see that he's at cnn he's got a position at cnn he's got a netflix documentary he's at the

00:10:56.780 Aspen Institute promoting his book. These are all like globalist, liberal institutions. I'm

00:11:02.400 thinking, OK, so this can't really be our guy. I was very, very skeptical. In the end, I came down

00:11:10.480 on his side and endorsed him only after he went in favor of a ban on pornography. And he defended

00:11:16.560 me getting back on Twitter and also defended me when I was put on the no fly list. So I felt out

00:11:22.540 of some obligation, you know, maybe I owed him. So in the end, I did relent, and I endorsed him.

00:11:27.860 But then I started to understand the bigger picture here, the bigger story,

00:11:33.260 which is that the relationship, not just with Peter Thiel, but his other mentor runs very deep.

00:11:39.320 And maybe we could start there. So where does J.D. Vance actually come from? First of all,

00:11:44.460 he was never really poor. He actually came from a relatively middle-class, upper-middle-class

00:11:50.100 background. He did come from a broken home, but they were relatively well-to-do. His name isn't

00:11:55.860 even J.D. Vance. That's not his birth name. His birth name- Vivek. Yeah, his name is Vivek.

00:12:03.700 But he goes through a series of different names. He's J.D. Hamill for some years. Only after he

00:12:10.340 writes the book does he become Vance. And even before he ever met Peter Thiel, he actually had

00:12:18.220 a different mentor he comes out of the u.s marine corps where by the way he was a journalist there

00:12:24.120 right i think everyone thinks when you're a marine you're shooting guns and running missions

00:12:28.200 i knew that it's not it's not like tim walls it's not truly stolen valor no um but i knew that he

00:12:34.900 wasn't combat right like pete buddha judge or others like he's he's in a non-combat role he's

00:12:39.780 writing press releases for the military which is sort of interesting he goes to yale and yale for

00:12:46.360 those that don't know is um this is like a pretty spooked up organization the cia does a lot of

00:12:52.420 recruiting at yale you have secret societies like skull and bones you get the bush family coming out

00:12:57.820 of yale a lot of american royalty and it's when vance is leaving the marines and entering yale

00:13:05.120 that he starts writing for a website run by david from david from is a jewish neocon speech writer

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00:13:24.140 a Bush alum, and Vance is writing for Frum's website, and at this time, he's mid-20s.

00:13:31.480 He has no political career.

00:13:33.740 He's applying for school, and he's writing articles in defense of the war in Iraq.

00:13:39.480 He's writing articles in favor of environmentalism and these kinds of things.

00:13:43.960 And Frum is his mentor.

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00:15:02.780 can find in the atlantic after vance became a trump supporter and it's a retrospective and

00:15:09.000 from talks about his time mentoring vance and he believed even when vance was a nobody we're

00:15:16.700 talking like the early 2010s when vance isn't even at yale yet from is writing about vance like he's

00:15:23.800 going to be the future president which is really weird because this is just some random guy who

00:15:29.680 was writing press releases in the military, some random from Ohio, writing blog posts that are

00:15:36.660 getting no traction. This is before he wrote the book. And Frum is saying about Vance at the time,

00:15:42.580 this guy is going to be the future Republican president. And in particular, he will deliver

00:15:49.180 the rabble rouser Tea Partiers back into the hands of the moderate Republican establishment.

00:15:56.240 Wow. He says that because there's this crisis where you have the Tea Party and Sarah Palin and the Republican base is like xenophobic, Islamophobic, like they are. They are what they are. They are. The establishment of the GOP is like William F. Buckley. They're very elitist. They're very wealthy. They represent the corporate interest. The base is populist. They're extremely conservative culturally in terms of their religion. Economically, they're populist.

00:16:23.080 and so from as a bush alumnus is saying vance is gonna be the guy he's not only gonna be the

00:16:31.400 president one day as a republican but he's going to lead as a millennial the kind of rabble rouser

00:16:38.000 burn it all down republicans back into like a moderate conservatism that is environmentally

00:16:43.280 conscious that is like in favor of america being the policeman of the world this kind of stuff

00:16:49.160 why david from how did he see that well he says and this is this is the thing that sticks out in

00:16:58.640 my mind he says vance's biographical credibility is what will deliver them what's biographical

00:17:06.780 credibility it's a story because so almost like selected uh so it's like what i said is like

00:17:13.260 well there's this is concerning peter thiel the tech bros this is concerning your son is vivek

00:17:18.140 your wife is hindu but there's one hopeful thing but what you're saying is the one hopeful thing

00:17:23.880 is not an accident he was selected because of it yes because that story and think of it what was

00:17:30.840 the story of obama trump the story is of the white working class right these like economic and sam

00:17:38.660 francis called them the middle american radicals and and these are people that are maybe not even

00:17:43.700 necessarily Christian. Their party affiliation may not even necessarily be Republican.

00:17:49.720 And maybe they voted Democrat, but they're culturally conservative. Like they want to

00:17:54.480 say Merry Christmas. It's the Trump base. It's those that went for Obama in 08, but went for

00:17:59.820 Trump in 16. That's the question. Whoever controls them kind of controls the destiny of America.

00:18:06.440 And Fromm said Vance can appeal to them because he's from Ohio. He's from the Rust Belt. He

00:18:13.600 he is the he's a casualty he's like a purple heart in the war on the the white working class 0.53

00:18:20.620 and so if he can tell them the story about his meemaw and drug addiction and fentanyl and

00:18:26.660 poverty and you know the casualties of globalization he can earn their trust and deliver them

00:18:33.220 so from tells him to write this book amy chua who is at yale she wrote tiger mom chua that doesn't

00:18:41.420 Is that in the Civil War Registry?

00:18:43.160 Yeah.

00:18:44.560 Yeah, I think she's a founding father, founding stock. 0.99

00:18:48.660 Amy Chua, she's Asian. 1.00

00:18:50.300 She's a tiger mom. 0.61

00:18:51.580 She's the author of the book, Tiger Mom. 0.85

00:18:54.160 She's got her own connections to the CIA 1.00

00:18:56.620 and the defense apparatus.

00:18:59.460 She encourages Vance to write the book.

00:19:01.700 She also sets Vance up with Usha, his future wife,

00:19:05.100 who's also a Yale Law School student.

00:19:08.320 And so does Peter Thiel.

00:19:10.320 And so Vance writes Hillbilly Elegy.

00:19:12.580 And let's just stop and talk about

00:19:15.000 what Hillbilly Elegy is about.

00:19:17.200 It's his story.

00:19:18.520 I never read it and I never watched the movie.

00:19:20.840 Yeah.

00:19:21.420 Couldn't do it.

00:19:22.520 Yeah, the movie's rough.

00:19:24.240 Well, it seems like it's like, I mean, no offense.

00:19:27.240 Like I didn't do it because I knew the conspiracy

00:19:28.940 that Vance would be president one day.

00:19:30.500 And you do like, I literally didn't watch it

00:19:32.320 because it just, I'm not a girl.

00:19:35.000 You know what I mean?

00:19:35.680 I mean, it really does seem like a chick flick.

00:19:37.540 Totally.

00:19:38.040 Well, it's sappy.

00:19:38.940 It reminds me of like a book that Michelle Obama would write.

00:19:42.960 You know, it's like a New York Times bestseller.

00:19:45.200 It's a tearjerker.

00:19:45.520 Is that maybe with less grammar errors?

00:19:48.620 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:19:49.400 Less Ebonics.

00:19:52.100 Well, I never know though.

00:19:53.440 In Ohio, they kind of, you know,

00:19:55.080 they might have their own Appalachian dialect.

00:19:58.600 But the thrust of the book,

00:20:00.920 if you read any excerpt from it or even watch the movie,

00:20:04.900 he writes about why he married an Indian woman.

00:20:07.580 he said that he wanted to get as far away as possible from his relatives i've heard this

00:20:13.560 because they're failures which yeah which i mean so the one thing that that i think a lot of guys

00:20:18.860 would be hoping for is like look we'll overlook the you know the marriage to again not just

00:20:24.000 marriage to a different race but um someone like from a different country and the biggest thing is 0.66

00:20:30.560 a different religion yeah like as far as and i've heard people say like well she's converted to

00:20:35.300 catholicism is that true uh no no she's hindu so so you're unequally yoked i mean just biblically

00:20:42.040 speaking i'm a pastor i can't you know you'll have to humor me i can't help it but like that's 0.99

00:20:46.720 that's a um he should he should not have married her no absolutely he should not have married her

00:20:52.580 and he should be as a husband i mean only only christ you know the holy spirit has to regenerate

00:20:58.980 and you know the heart so i understand like he jd vance can't save his wife but i mean that should

00:21:04.460 be like his number one vocation in life is like my wife's going to hell yeah yeah and i'm certainly

00:21:11.980 not going to memorialize the fact that my wife literally worships false gods by naming my son

00:21:17.600 after that heritage and culture and like you know so but all that being said that's that's

00:21:23.000 concerning enough in and of itself but you know but i felt like but okay but he's quintessential

00:21:28.380 america it's like the superman he comes from he doesn't come from manhattan he you know he

00:21:32.540 he he comes from kansas you know right yes like quintessential america farm boy you know and so

00:21:40.320 like that for a lot of guys a lot of my friends and even myself it's like okay so he married the

00:21:47.080 hindu not great but he's quoting aquinas you know natural affections these kinds of things and he's

00:21:53.240 from appalachia i mean goodness gracious he's from ohio you know and like this is you know this is

00:21:58.680 our guy who just you just you know made a mistake in in marriage you know whatever um but when i

00:22:05.540 heard that because what you just said i i heard before and maybe i heard it from you i don't know

00:22:09.420 but um if it's not just a mistake in marriage right i mean you're 21 you're in college you

00:22:15.660 fall in love you know and and maybe you're not a devout catholic at the time you know and later

00:22:20.660 on you realize this was a mistake but i mean even the catholic and protestant ethic would be

00:22:24.780 if you are equally yoked and and your your spouse leaves you then to let them go to be to strive to

00:22:31.540 be at peace with all men first corinthians seven but if they're willing to remain with you

00:22:35.220 peacefully then um then you maintain the marriage it is uh your your spouse is not a christian but

00:22:41.020 it is a legitimate marriage therefore uh if it wasn't then the children would be spiritual 0.95

00:22:45.800 bastards you know but paul literally says that he says just with one believing um parent the 0.93

00:22:51.040 children are holy so that like remaining the marriage would be so so that was my thought was 0.98

00:22:55.740 like he made a mistake it was a sin and and that's not being hyperbolic it is a sin to to you know to

00:23:02.200 marry um an unbeliever uh but he he there's a difference in i sinned by entering a marriage

00:23:08.480 versus the marriage being illegitimate and being in a continual state of ongoing sin and the

00:23:13.800 catholic position protestant position is he's not in sin he sinned but he's not sinning right right

00:23:19.280 And so, so then I was willing to, okay, so now let's go back to his, his, his story arc, his origin story, you know, quintessential American. But if he literally, it wasn't just a mistake, but he intentionally married her because the very, the one thing, the one good thing he's got going for him. He hates. Yes. I hate that I'm quintessential American. And then I'm like, what? Yeah. It's so over. It's in defiance. It was like a defiant act.

00:23:43.120 he said that yes it's in his book he says he says i went as far as i could go he said because i

00:23:50.760 associated my family and and my surroundings with everything that i didn't like which is and and why

00:23:58.000 did he have this spite and animosity towards his family that that's the crux of it he says

00:24:03.240 it's because they blamed everyone else for their own failures they are poor drug addicted etc and 0.99

00:24:12.540 it's their fault because they messed up now was his family black 0.98

00:24:17.620 that's good no no they're they're white obviously and but this is really at the center of 0.91

00:24:27.700 of all of it of the trump revolution which is like after the cold war was won

00:24:35.260 what did the country do?

00:24:37.000 Free trade, foreign wars, mass migration,

00:24:41.340 1990 Immigration Act.

00:24:43.160 That's really the one that opened up the floodgates. 0.57

00:24:45.400 That's what created H-1B, H-1A, H-2A.

00:24:48.660 That is what opened up.

00:24:49.880 Is that Reagan or that's amnesty?

00:24:51.260 That was Bush.

00:24:51.780 Oh, that was Bush.

00:24:52.640 Reagan was the amnesty laws.

00:24:54.420 Yes, Reagan was the amnesty.

00:24:55.380 The term California, ironically, blew forever.

00:24:57.520 Right.

00:24:58.040 Quintessential boomer.

00:24:59.100 Yes.

00:24:59.620 Accomplishing something and then ensuring

00:25:01.200 that the thing you had could never be had again.

00:25:03.080 Slamming the door shut, yeah.

00:25:04.120 Beautiful. 0.72

00:25:04.840 Yeah. So Reagan delivers the MST. You get the 1990 Immigration Act, and then shortly afterward, you get NAFTA. And what they said about NAFTA is you'd hear a giant sucking sound of all the jobs being sucked out of America to Mexico when you open up trade between America and Mexico. 1.00

00:25:21.800 and, of course, even opening it up to China

00:25:25.360 and offshoring all the manufacturing to China.

00:25:28.500 America was a manufacturing country until 25 years ago.

00:25:32.380 And so what was wrought in Ohio and Michigan and all these,

00:25:38.100 and it's not just some of these actions, but they accelerated it,

00:25:41.340 is that government policy destroyed the small and medium-sized towns.

00:25:47.680 They destroyed manufacturing,

00:25:48.880 manufacturing, which was the lifeblood of these small and medium-sized towns. It was free trade,

00:25:54.340 mass migration, which is cheap labor. That's the same word for cheap labor in China or from Mexico

00:26:00.080 coming here or in Mexico through NAFTA and the foreign wars, then sending these people to go die 0.86

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00:26:30.580 infinite labor and immigration. It's because you didn't pull yourself up by your bootstraps.

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00:26:44.920 a lot of older guys that i still love and still respect you know ministers and pastors was um

00:26:50.740 like i understand a victim mentality serves no one uh but we actually do believe that victim

00:26:57.180 is a legitimate category there are victims yeah irena it's like well you know it's kind of her

00:27:04.040 fault no no no it is not her fault she's a victim victims do exist i mean you just read the bible

00:27:09.620 And you're like, oh, these guys are the bad guys.

00:27:12.320 These guys, they're not sinless.

00:27:14.000 Like nobody's perfectly innocent.

00:27:15.380 Everybody has faults.

00:27:16.260 Everybody sinned, all fallen short of the glory of God.

00:27:19.080 But there actually are, whether it's nation to nation

00:27:21.320 or individual with individual, there actually are bad guys

00:27:24.020 and there actually are victims.

00:27:25.720 And I ended up having to part ways with some of the older guys

00:27:28.620 who it's one thing to say, hey, you can't just live

00:27:32.020 under a victim mentality your whole life.

00:27:33.620 I agree.

00:27:34.660 But it got to the point where they wouldn't even validate

00:27:38.760 the fact that somebody had been wronged in the first place specifically younger generation and

00:27:42.800 i look at like gen z and i'm um no it's it's well they're lazy yeah that's what they always said

00:27:47.380 about millennials millennials are lazy and some of them are i'm yeah sure you know and well they're

00:27:52.300 entitled yeah some of them are um but no like it is objectively harder to own a home have a wife

00:28:00.020 have kids than it was in the 80s it's not just like oh well you know like there's always been

00:28:05.580 inflation like okay dude let's break it down here's the average uh the average job and what

00:28:11.020 it pays wages and here's the average cost of a house let's do it proportionally you know like

00:28:15.900 with inflation all those kind of things what with a mortgage the average mortgage what percentage

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00:30:29.400 first half or no or everyone like no one in gen z these young white men are not going to listen to

00:30:35.080 you if you start with we're just gonna have to work hard like i did going uphill both ways in

00:30:39.480 this like no you have to start with you were robbed and it was intentional like malicious

00:30:45.260 wicked people stole your birthright but um i think we can get it back right let's go like here's a

00:30:54.100 path you know well and and that's really that is the message that's at the core of the book is and

00:31:00.100 and then you know when you take all of it together you realize his biographical credibility is to

00:31:06.500 kind of put a arm around the shoulder of his fellow white appalachians or rust belt white people and

00:31:12.800 say you're the problem like it's your fault really yeah yeah because that's i mean if that's

00:31:18.600 the message of the book which is i i married so far outside my race because my own people are

00:31:24.880 these terminal failures i'm embarrassed by them yes this toxic culture and the hill what is an

00:31:31.200 elegy it's it's like a message at a funeral it's like a message of something that's dying

00:31:35.540 and so he's telling his fellow hillbillies like guys we can't blame immigrants we can't blame

00:31:42.980 the cosmopolitan elites who have done this we have to blame ourselves and so this book comes about

00:31:50.160 in 2016 now at this point this is maybe like a nice segue but that's the point of the book is

00:31:57.360 like it has this significance about the american electorate and the globalization which has ruined

00:32:03.000 America. And now the reaction then is Trump. So the book comes at this momentous time when

00:32:10.160 the middle American radicals are coming with the pitchforks and torches in the form of Trumpism,

00:32:15.200 because Trump is breathing life into this and saying, you got robbed. Like our country isn't

00:32:20.720 great. The elites wrecked it. They made bad deals because they're not smart, because they're bribed.

00:32:26.820 And so why are we in the Middle East still? We said we've been there for 20 years. We don't even

00:32:31.700 have it and you know china took our jobs mexico like so trump is is animating them against the

00:32:38.700 system at the same time that vance was supposed to do the opposite he was supposed to sort of

00:32:43.900 guide them back into the system and get them to trust the system so it's at this time that

00:32:49.440 vance meets peter thiel at yale peter thiel goes to yale law school and gives a talk

00:32:55.200 and meets vance and vance describes this as the most important thing that ever happened in his

00:33:01.420 life. Wow. Meeting Peter Thiel. And they start an email correspondence. Vance finishes at Yale

00:33:07.600 Law School. And one of his first jobs, he works in, I think he works as a lawyer for a short time.

00:33:14.040 Then he goes to Silicon Valley at a biotech company. And the guy that runs that company

00:33:20.800 has since said he only gave Vance that job. I heard that he like barely showed up to the office.

00:33:26.080 This is a different one. Oh, okay. This is his very first job. Before he got into venture capital,

00:33:30.760 The boss of this company said,

00:33:32.940 I didn't even know who Vance was.

00:33:34.640 I gave him the job as a favor to Peter Thiel.

00:33:37.740 And then Peter Thiel hires him

00:33:39.860 or gets him a job at another venture capital firm.

00:33:42.840 Eventually, Vance makes it to Mithril Capital,

00:33:45.280 which is Thiel's VC firm.

00:33:47.600 And this is a no-show job.

00:33:50.280 That's where his colleagues say,

00:33:52.100 we never even saw him in the office.

00:33:53.640 He never showed up.

00:33:54.680 Why?

00:33:55.860 This is when he releases the book.

00:33:58.300 So he's basically being paid to sit at home and write the book.

00:34:01.340 He gets a sinecure.

00:34:03.160 Thiel sets him up while Vance is going around to the Aspen Institute.

00:34:08.860 He's going around to CNN, promoting the book.

00:34:13.100 And the purpose of the book, according to David from Amy Chua and Thiel,

00:34:18.020 was to pave the way for him to be the future president.

00:34:20.820 This is like his Obama dreams of my father.

00:34:25.460 This is like meant to endear him to the public because that's his claim to fame.

00:34:30.540 Otherwise, who is he?

00:34:31.820 He's a Marine, Yale-educated lawyer.

00:34:34.060 The book and the TV show and the interviews, the New York Times bestseller, he's the Trump whisperer.

00:34:41.520 This is his claim to fame and his launch pad to become the president.

00:34:45.600 And Teal basically paves the road for him, gives him this job and the position to promote it.

00:34:50.320 It's a no-show job.

00:34:52.180 And of course, it doesn't work out because Trump runs on the opposite platform of what Vance is promoting.

00:34:58.760 So Trump throws a wrench into David Fromm and Vance and Thiel's plan because Trump, like I said, he's breathing life into the grievances of the white people.

00:35:08.120 And they recognize this.

00:35:10.020 And so after Trump wins the election, and of course, Vance is adamantly against Trump. He's marketed as the Trump whisperer that he is one of the disaffected white people, but he also is educated at an Ivy League school so he could speak to the elites. He can translate to CNN their grievances. He's the mediator.

00:35:31.400 And by the way, Vance doesn't vote for Trump.

00:35:34.160 He votes for Evan McMullin, a CIA agent who was run as a spoiler by Bill Kristol.

00:35:40.180 Bill Kristol is a Jewish neocon, friend of David Fromm.

00:35:43.780 He wanted Trump to lose by any means necessary.

00:35:46.760 They ran this guy in Utah to deprive Trump of Utah, which might have cost him the election

00:35:51.080 in a certain timeline.

00:35:52.880 Anyway, Trump wins the election.

00:35:56.100 Vance convenes a meeting after Trump's inauguration in D.C.

00:36:00.040 and he invites all his closest friends and from describes the meeting years later and says it was

00:36:07.400 never spoken aloud but everyone understood this was a vance for president meeting in 2017 really

00:36:15.700 after the inauguration of trump and this is a damage control they're trying to figure out

00:36:20.980 how after we were never trump and called him a nazi and voted for evan mcmullin how do you pivot

00:36:28.200 how do you pivot because trump just became the president and so this is like a war committee a

00:36:34.200 war room to figure out in the late 2020s and the early 2030s how he's going to run for president

00:36:40.000 and i think what the idea was was kind of like a wait and see approach maybe they thought trump

00:36:45.720 would crash and burn right because vance is still attacking trump after charlottesville which is

00:36:50.200 August 2017, and right up through 2018 and 2019, Vance is on Trump's case. I think then he realizes

00:36:58.760 Trump isn't going anywhere. So he moves to Ohio, buys a house there, and he starts being really

00:37:05.760 pro-Trump. And then in 2022, Vance is going to run for Senate. I think he starts at 2021 is when

00:37:13.960 they start doing the exploratory. They run in the Senate primary, and they realize we got a problem

00:37:19.260 on our hands, which is that Trump has not gone away. Trump is going to be a force in the 22

00:37:24.180 midterms, even after J6 and everything. So Vance recognizes, I can't win the Ohio Senate primary

00:37:32.280 between the Republicans without Trump's endorsement. So Peter Thiel picks up the phone

00:37:37.160 and he calls Trump. And Peter Thiel arranges a meeting. And Peter Thiel was one of Trump's

00:37:43.060 original donors. And he's going to be giving a lot in 22 in the cycle. So he's got some motion.

00:37:48.600 And he's got clout with Trump.

00:37:50.900 Teal arranges a meeting between Vance and Trump in Mar-a-Lago,

00:37:55.180 I believe in the summer of 2022, to iron out the differences.

00:38:00.700 And Vance apologizes and Trump graciously accepts him back into the fold.

00:38:04.940 Trump, it's so funny because people would be like, oh, he's mean.

00:38:07.700 I feel like one of Trump's biggest failures is he's actually too forgiving.

00:38:12.100 100%.

00:38:12.540 100%.

00:38:13.660 Yes.

00:38:14.320 You know, he talks himself up.

00:38:16.220 Oh, you stabbed me in the back, but you said you're sorry.

00:38:18.260 yes yeah and you know he would talk years ago like i never forget who's wronged me and i i can't wait

00:38:24.400 i wish i'll talk i wish yeah me too i'll talk so trump immediately forgives him and then endorses

00:38:31.080 vance peter thiel gives vance 15 million dollars it was the biggest from what i read it was the

00:38:37.440 biggest um uh donation for any senate race yes yeah huge 15 million for blake masters 15 million

00:38:46.420 for Vance. And Thiel secured Trump's endorsement through a personal favor. I can't speak to the

00:38:53.460 details of that, but it was Thiel that got him the endorsement, which got him the nomination

00:38:59.000 from the GOP. And that's what secured his entry into the Senate. So in 22, and this is, by the

00:39:04.360 way, a big deal, because this was a competitive race in a major state. And you're talking about

00:39:10.040 a statewide office. Most people don't go from nobody to senator. Maybe they start in the House,

00:39:15.820 especially someone with no real name recognition, Vance goes from never Trump or nobody, anti-Trump nobody, to Trump endorsed senator from Ohio.

00:39:28.540 Then, after two years, he gets tapped to be the nominee for vice president of the United States.

00:39:35.440 Think about that.

00:39:36.140 So he gets seated in the U.S. Senate in January 2023.

00:39:41.760 In July 2024, he's tapped by Trump.

00:39:45.820 That's a fast ascendancy.

00:39:47.740 And how did that happen?

00:39:50.040 Well, you know, we talked about the,

00:39:52.700 in a different episode about the fundraiser

00:39:54.700 at David Sachs House.

00:39:56.720 Vance, his patron is Peter Thiel.

00:39:59.120 Obviously, Thiel gave him the sinecure

00:40:01.840 at the venture capital firm.

00:40:03.660 Thiel got him his first job.

00:40:05.100 Thiel gave him $15 million,

00:40:06.580 got him the Trump endorsement.

00:40:07.960 And who is Peter Thiel?

00:40:09.680 Well, he made his fortune first with PayPal,

00:40:12.560 then with Palantir.

00:40:14.360 So he's friends with Sachs and those guys?

00:40:16.180 He's friends with all of them.

00:40:17.180 He's from the PayPal mafia.

00:40:18.660 All the guys that founded PayPal in 2000,

00:40:21.820 they went and founded all the big tech companies.

00:40:24.100 Musk had like a falling out for a while though.

00:40:26.600 Yes, with Peter Thiel.

00:40:28.780 How about now?

00:40:30.220 Are they still severed or?

00:40:32.860 They seem to be cooperating.

00:40:35.740 Okay.

00:40:36.060 But I think there's still maybe a rivalry there.

00:40:38.620 I definitely, I think Musk has problems,

00:40:40.540 but I definitely like him a lot more than Peter Thiel.

00:40:43.220 Me too.

00:40:43.900 but they all come from the same place.

00:40:46.880 I mean, David Sachs, Joe Lonsdale,

00:40:50.240 who runs the Founders Fund,

00:40:52.240 and he came in PayPal a little later.

00:40:54.540 Reid Hoffman, all these guys were at PayPal

00:40:56.640 from the beginning.

00:40:57.760 And then there's kind of this explosion

00:40:59.860 and they all, and it's also incestuous.

00:41:03.200 They all invest in each other's companies

00:41:04.660 on the boards, advising each other's companies.

00:41:07.720 So they're all part of like,

00:41:08.820 that's why they call it a mafia

00:41:09.880 because they're like a gang

00:41:10.880 and they all work together.

00:41:12.320 And that's Peter Thiel.

00:41:13.900 So if Teal endorses Vance, Vance's card that he gets to play, it's not just Teal, but it's the whole Silicon Valley apparatus. It's Palantir. And Palantir is deeply connected with Anduril, which is a drone company. And they're deeply connected with Andreessen Horowitz, which they're connected to all the different tech companies.

00:41:33.720 And so Vance and his backers want him to be the VP because he will be their man for little tech. Not just for all of Silicon Valley, like Facebook and Google, he'll be the man for the new generation of disruptive, the next wave of tech companies, the drone, AI, the software companies.

00:41:58.100 He's going to be their man.

00:41:59.620 And in particular, what will he do?

00:42:02.000 Give them the federal contracts, give them favorable regulation, get their personnel

00:42:06.620 inside the Department of War, inside the administration.

00:42:09.960 And then eventually he'll be the president and have even more power. 0.93

00:42:13.280 It sounds like you should be speaking out against Palantir, but to hedge your bets,

00:42:17.320 you should probably buy some stock.

00:42:19.020 Yeah.

00:42:19.500 Hey, not a bad idea.

00:42:20.660 So if you lose with what you're actually saying, I still win.

00:42:23.660 Yeah.

00:42:24.000 Hey, you know, would have been smart to do that during the election because they went

00:42:26.860 up 100%.

00:42:27.740 crazy yeah but um so vance starts working his connections in silicon valley and in 16 and in

00:42:35.960 20 silicon valley was decisively behind the democrats you know zuckerberg chan foundation

00:42:42.160 put 300 million for get out the vote for the democrats in 2020 which is kind of like an

00:42:47.060 unreported like a donation in kind in 24 vance gets them to go behind trump and jacob hellberg

00:42:55.520 who's gay married to Keith Raboy, who's another big Silicon Valley guy at Facebook. They're gay 0.98

00:43:01.500 together. They're both Jewish. Jacob Helberg becomes the first big donor to Trump. He maxes 0.80

00:43:07.140 out the contribution for the joint fundraising committee. He leads the way. And Helberg becomes

00:43:13.400 a big advisor to Trump on AI, on tech. In June, Vance coordinates this fundraiser at David Sacks

00:43:21.660 House. And all the big tech people are there writing big checks. They raise millions of

00:43:26.300 dollars. They get Trump on the all in podcast. And that was a big reason why Trump tabbed Vance

00:43:32.380 because Trump needed money. You need money to be president. And by the way, David Sachs is like

00:43:39.140 a representative of Elon Musk also, because in 2023, when Ron DeSantis announced his primary

00:43:47.400 campaign, it was David Sachs hosting a Twitter space with DeSantis and Elon Musk on the X

00:43:54.980 platform. So if you're getting Vance, you're getting Teal, you're getting Sachs, and with

00:44:01.960 Sachs, you're getting Musk, you're getting Andreessen Horowitz, you're getting hundreds

00:44:07.440 of millions of dollars into the coffers of Trump. So it's this reason that Trump taps

00:44:15.160 vance because he's going to have all the silicon valley money and he picks vance a few days after

00:44:21.880 he gets shot right he gets a call from elon musk peter thiel and tucker carlson and they're all

00:44:29.360 beckoning him you have to support vance for vp because if you don't the deep state will kill you

00:44:35.480 right no i remember that that was the rhetoric was um if you pick you know a neocon you know 0.94

00:44:42.160 nikki haley or something like that then um then they'll literally kill you and because they'd be

00:44:46.960 happy with your replacement but vance is so based and he's so yes to it like they'd be worried like

00:44:52.080 he'd be even more hardcore than you yes so they'll keep you alive and it's like is that true because

00:44:57.880 if vance is a pawn of palantir and anduril which are defense contractors and intelligence

00:45:03.740 contractors wouldn't the deep state prefer vance over trump maybe they'd even prefer him over

00:45:08.800 over any of the other picks that trump could have had for vice president so and it's it's very

00:45:15.820 strange because well you know the ascendancy is so conspicuous this guy every step of the way

00:45:24.460 is being groomed and artificially boosted by these powerful forces that and the forces run through

00:45:32.120 Yale and Stanford, these elite academic institutions. It runs through Silicon Valley,

00:45:38.480 these intelligence contractors like Palantir and Anderil. It runs through the richest people

00:45:43.500 in the world, the billionaires like Elon Musk, and even the nonprofits, the media, Netflix,

00:45:50.200 CNN, American Enterprise Institute. And what I try to tell people is think about the contrast

00:45:56.440 between this story and Trump everyone was against Trump the Vatican was against Trump the Republicans

00:46:04.460 were against Trump the Democrats Wall Street was against Trump Ken Griffin was going to jump ship

00:46:10.120 on Trump after 2021 from Citadel whereas Vance it's the reverse Trump was a famous billionaire

00:46:17.940 that they had to acquiesce to because he led the people in a populist revolt against the system

00:46:25.560 Vance is an artificial creation of the system, of the next wave of elites, of Peter Thiel,

00:46:32.260 of all these different institutional forces.

00:46:34.600 And so you have this betrayal where Trump is running for his second term on a platform

00:46:43.260 of vengeance, and we're going to finish what we started, and we didn't do enough, we didn't

00:46:48.360 go far enough the first time.

00:46:49.920 and he rewards as his successor and heir apparent as the vice president a never trumper who voted

00:46:58.060 for evan mcmullin who could not be more fake and artificial and you know that musk and teal and

00:47:05.680 sacks were licking their lips like they are licking their chops at the at the thought that

00:47:10.720 their guy will inherit the trumpist revolution he will be the successor and trump will set

00:47:16.760 sunset one way or another in 2029 and most likely vance will then be the nominee and then the guy

00:47:22.580 um you know and and then i think it's helpful to talk about peter teal and what they represent

00:47:29.120 yeah talk about how they come from the neocons you know because yeah before we do quick intermission

00:47:34.680 um but are you really gonna vote for gavin newsom i don't know i don't think i will

00:47:42.720 please don't i i ran out of california i mean it's gavin new salimi the dude is uh yeah he's

00:47:54.000 terrible i know i do understand the sense that um you know like he you know he didn't marry a hindu

00:48:01.540 he's not in the pocket of peter teal like i i get it you make a compelling argument

00:48:05.840 but um i mean this is the guy who was dining at the french laundry as me and everybody else

00:48:12.700 is locked in our homes and told that we can't do church right surely like i understand the

00:48:16.960 political strategy i understand the political strategy i also understand that i'm ruining

00:48:21.140 the strategy right now by bringing it up defeats all purpose but i but i've got you know close

00:48:27.000 friends are like all right joe i see what you're saying about nick i see how he's on to some things

00:48:31.500 but that's one of the just the easy uh cheap shots that people can pick up and be like nope

00:48:37.100 Nick is terrible because he said he'll vote for Newsom.

00:48:40.700 Like, just to show your bona fides, you hate Newsom.

00:48:45.860 Well, I don't hate anybody.

00:48:47.440 I adamantly disagree with him.

00:48:49.500 As a candidate, though.

00:48:51.060 Yeah, as a candidate, yeah, I hate what he represents.

00:48:53.400 His policies, what he represents.

00:48:55.160 You just also just very, very much don't like fans.

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00:50:39.980 you know we we and by we i mean you and i and people like us we are being held hostage by this 0.53

00:50:47.320 dialectic which says you sound like james lindsey but go on well dialectic is an important concept

00:50:55.340 which is it forces us to take a certain side that's true because you you wouldn't ever want

00:51:01.720 to have news some it's like so we will accept anything the republicans give yeah i know that

00:51:07.000 there's some moral hazard there because then they can give us anything they want and the argument

00:51:11.500 will always be the same you know would we have to vote for john mccain right obama was far worse 0.94

00:51:17.940 far worse would you vote for john mccain like the worst neocon ever who's a traitor who's a songbird 0.82

00:51:24.620 would you vote for mit romney would you vote for george w bush no i would not vote for bush mccain 0.52

00:51:31.580 I wouldn't vote for any of them, even if we get Al Gore or Obama.

00:51:35.900 And, you know, what I would say about in general, this has been a problem for the GOP for generations.

00:51:43.760 And there's a really good piece by Sam Francis.

00:51:47.800 Sam Francis is like one of the brilliant paleocons from a different generation whose career was buried, actually, by Dinesh D'Souza helped get him canceled.

00:51:58.500 Really?

00:51:58.760 Yeah, he like lied about him.

00:52:00.700 He defamed him in a book, and it got Sam Francis kicked out of Washington Examiner and ruined his career.

00:52:08.000 Wow.

00:52:08.260 It would happen anyway, probably, but he did lie.

00:52:11.480 And anyway, Sam Francis was very close with Patrick Buchanan.

00:52:15.080 Right.

00:52:15.640 Who was an advisor to Nixon and Reagan, and he ran in 92, 96, 2000.

00:52:20.500 And of course, in 92, Pat Buchanan raised a primary challenge against the incumbent president, George Bush.

00:52:28.060 and buchanan rallied the populist base they called them the buchanan brigades and buchanan came within

00:52:34.760 striking distance of bush in a number of different primary contests which is unheard of for an

00:52:40.080 incumbent president to like lose to a challenger you almost never have a primary when that's the

00:52:44.980 case when when you're the ruling party and you know pat buchanan lost i mean he eventually dropped

00:52:52.440 out. But in the end, he endorsed George Bush and he spoke at the Republican convention where he

00:52:59.960 endorsed Bush and brought all the Buchanan brigades back onto the Bush campaign. And everyone

00:53:06.300 recognized that Bush was terrible because he raised taxes. He betrayed his constituents.

00:53:11.340 There was so much apathy at that at 1990 and 1992. And Sam Francis said that was Buchanan's

00:53:17.780 biggest mistake. It was his loyalty to the GOP, which prevented him from actually having a

00:53:23.400 revolutionary movement. And what I saw as Buchanan's mistake, that's where Trump succeeded.

00:53:29.360 Because let's recall, it was Trump who in 2015 said, if I'm not the nominee, I'll run as a third

00:53:37.700 party and I'll ruin this for everybody. And they hated him for that. He was polling at 15 or 20%

00:53:45.680 in the primary. And in the first debate at Fox News, they said, because he was threatening this,

00:53:52.200 they said, raise your hand if you will not pledge to support the eventual Republican nominee.

00:53:58.700 And Trump raised his hand. And Brett Baer said, so to be clear, you're saying you will not endorse

00:54:04.860 the nominee, guaranteeing that Hillary Clinton will win. And Trump said, I perfectly understand.

00:54:10.780 And he goes, look, he goes, I have a lot of leverage.

00:54:13.400 He said, I want to win as the Republican.

00:54:16.440 He said, but if I don't become the nominee, then I might run as an independent.

00:54:21.240 I have a lot of leverage.

00:54:23.360 And I told them to his face when I had dinner with him.

00:54:26.920 I said, that's how I knew you were serious because you were willing to play the game

00:54:34.160 and say, I'll let the Republican Party crash and burn.

00:54:38.440 You think you control me?

00:54:39.600 you think you have me hostage i have you hostage you better make sure i win because if i don't win 0.99

00:54:46.200 and bring all my people and policies then nobody wins and that's that's what our cucked sucker 0.96

00:54:54.680 republican base that loses forever that's what they don't understand yeah it's like they're 1.00

00:55:00.860 willing to be the idiot every time and say well what are we gonna do we have to vote because if 0.99

00:55:06.920 we don't it's our fault i say if we lose it's their fault because we want to vote we want change 1.00

00:55:12.580 they have never delivered it where's my border wall right why are we still in iraq why do we

00:55:18.280 still have free trade where's our tariff schedule you know and trump is working on some of these

00:55:22.760 things but like that that's what i would say for someone like vance is like i'm sorry you need to

00:55:28.880 convince us to vote for you not the other way around so anyway that would be my rebuttal that

00:55:34.480 that's a good rebuttal um i i've heard you say that very last part i've heard that before from

00:55:39.080 you um kind of leaving the door open and saying yeah i don't like him i don't trust him but there

00:55:44.960 is still three years um is there like if if vance just came out and and and wowed you you know and

00:55:52.260 i mean really took a stand being courageous it wasn't just manufacturer this or that did something

00:55:57.220 that like really skin in the game something sacrificial something something that it's clear

00:56:02.220 that it's genuine um is there any is there any scenario where you would vote for vance no okay

00:56:08.280 i don't think so i mean and you know anything can happen nothing's impossible so when you say that

00:56:13.080 you're just saying the gop in general has to earn your vote yes just as a principle with another

00:56:17.640 candidate but in the case of vance it's like none no because i don't trust him okay and he strikes

00:56:22.920 me as an obama-like figure who will do and say anything and he does my wife and i we we said

00:56:30.000 that like when we uh the vice president debate or like i and my dad even said that um my dad called

00:56:36.960 obama like he had some speech you know years before he was elected he was like he'll be the

00:56:42.020 president especially on the heels of bush because you know bush had tons of faults but i don't think 0.99

00:56:47.420 he was an idiot no um but he he did kind of talk like one yes you know he had the southern drawl 0.97

00:56:53.540 and i think people from the south are awesome i live in texas but you know but he just he didn't 1.00

00:56:58.360 sound as polished you know or or you know an intellectual in the way that he spoke his

00:57:04.340 accent and so it kind of made sense that you know that obama would come on the heels of that you

00:57:09.100 know that stark comparison of bush like you know he would he would tie his words you know like

00:57:13.960 fool me one shame on you two times three times a lady you know you know those kind of things and

00:57:18.980 people you know saturday night live would do their skits and make fun of them um but likewise like

00:57:23.800 uh trump i think is actually a phenomenal speaker but not polished he's anything but polished that's

00:57:28.920 what that's what we love about trump that he's not polished but uh it does kind of remind me of

00:57:33.520 that scenario of like kind of bush to obama trump to you know to vance like he is like he's a great

00:57:40.640 speaker so anyways my dad and my wife you know like that same kind of feeling with obama like

00:57:45.460 seeing that vice presidential debate and like it wasn't just like oh they're gonna win this

00:57:51.400 It was a, he's going to be president.

00:57:53.460 Right.

00:57:53.820 Well, and, and my, my, um, connotation with Obama is more negative, which is that he's

00:58:00.340 a freshman Senator who was selected rather than elected.

00:58:04.520 You know, he was sort of artificially elevated, really had no business being there and was

00:58:09.580 a Trojan horse, you know, because Obama was a great speaker and created this great movement

00:58:15.040 about, well, great.

00:58:16.280 It was, uh, compelling about hope and change, but he didn't deliver change.

00:58:20.960 Right.

00:58:21.400 I mean, it was a continuation in almost every way from the previous administration, foreign policy, trade policy, and people could argue he's a radical leftist, but he was constrained by the bureaucracy and the deep state. Hillary Clinton was the secretary of state.

00:58:37.560 So I see the same thing in Vance that he, and it's so calculated the way that, like, he appeals to people like us, the, you know, the natural affections. I see calculation. I don't see anything organic there.

00:58:54.980 I see someone who, and you know, it's helpful maybe to understand the Teal connection on this particular point. Teal has absolutely flooded the zone with propaganda. All these Twitter accounts that you think are based, based frogs, like these guys are being paid.

00:59:16.580 They're tweeting 100 times per day.

00:59:19.140 Nobody has time to tweet 100 times per day unless they're getting paid.

00:59:22.880 All these projects by internet eccentrics, they're sinecures.

00:59:29.080 So, you know, Sovereign House, for example, is a venue in New York City

00:59:34.000 where they do the Passage Prize from Passage Press, and they do fashion shows.

00:59:40.020 And Sovereign House is run by Nick Allen and Future Moldovan Citizen.

00:59:45.380 These are two teal allies. 0.90

00:59:46.980 Nick Allen was involved in Ethereum.

00:59:48.700 Future Moldovan citizens involved in the tech world. 0.65

00:59:51.680 These are two teal allies. 0.99

00:59:53.220 This is like a teal cutout. 1.00

00:59:54.940 And who goes through there? 1.00

00:59:57.140 Everybody.

00:59:58.720 Steve Saylor, Sam Hyde.

01:00:00.660 And I don't think necessarily Sam is in on it, but it's a venue for all the right-wing people.

01:00:06.300 Passage Press.

01:00:07.140 They hosted the inauguration party with Sovereign House after January 20th, or after Trump's inauguration this year.

01:00:15.720 And Passage Press is run by, they call him Lomez, his real name.

01:00:22.100 He's like a Jewish academic from California.

01:00:24.780 His name's Jonathan Keeperman.

01:00:26.240 They publish Steve Saylor and Curtis Yarvin, both Jewish.

01:00:31.300 Curtis Yarvin is the philosopher of Peter Thiel, the court philosopher of their whole network.

01:00:36.800 And these guys, these are just a few examples, but all this stuff is funded. They all go to each other's events. They all go on each other's podcasts. They're all prolific on Twitter, retweeting and promoting each other in group chats. And the one thing they're all pushing on the Internet, astroturfing, is Vance for president. Vance is even better than Trump. Vance is based.

01:00:58.600 And there's a reciprocal relationship where they are unloading the slop to the masses, but it goes the other direction. You think when Vance posts something on Twitter that's based, he's being fed that by these people.

01:01:16.000 It's like you put every part of right wing Twitter into chat GPT and said, write a tweet in the voice of J.D. Vance incorporating.

01:01:24.400 So a politician's job, a good one, is to mirror the public, their their tastes, their habits, you know, whatever, whatever is popular at the moment, whatever is in fashion.

01:01:39.960 when people see Vance and say,

01:01:43.880 oh, that's really funny, that's really based,

01:01:46.260 I like this guy, that's by design.

01:01:49.160 It is being reflected back to you in a funhouse mirror

01:01:52.860 where it's like you're on Twitter

01:01:54.700 interacting with accounts that you think are organic

01:01:57.700 but are shills telling you what's cool,

01:02:00.220 what's trendy, what's based.

01:02:02.000 You're interacting with it

01:02:03.180 and then they're feeding that to Vance

01:02:05.020 to market it to you and you say,

01:02:06.520 he sounds like my favorite Twitter account, he's based.

01:02:09.960 So it's a very sophisticated and convoluted deception, but I've seen it.

01:02:15.860 I've seen it firsthand because I know all the people involved firsthand.

01:02:19.860 I know the people at Sovereign House.

01:02:21.700 I know the people at Passage Press.

01:02:23.980 I know people that were at the party at the inauguration that was co-hosted by them.

01:02:30.280 I know them, and I know that this is how they operate.

01:02:33.180 And so the whole thing is an artifice, and I don't trust anything the guy says.

01:02:38.120 All right. Well, you will not be voting for Vance in 2028. That's been made abundantly clear. But you do make a compelling case. And a lot of those pieces, some of it I was already aware of from you and from others, but you definitely filled in some of the holes for me. So I appreciate that. I think the listener will be well informed. Is there anybody that you like right now?

01:03:00.880 No.

01:03:01.540 It's not.

01:03:02.320 I don't.

01:03:03.000 I don't think that nobody is going to capture what Trump did.

01:03:07.540 Yeah.

01:03:07.980 You know, because you could say Thomas Massey's pretty based,

01:03:10.800 and you could say-

01:03:11.940 He is, except-

01:03:13.080 On some things.

01:03:13.680 He's a libertarian.

01:03:14.720 Right.

01:03:15.000 You know what I mean?

01:03:15.600 It's like, and I appreciate, just I want to go on record,

01:03:18.240 because a lot of people will see this.

01:03:19.340 I really do appreciate Thomas Massey.

01:03:21.000 I like him.

01:03:22.760 I don't think I like him for precedent.

01:03:24.960 Well, and that's what I'm saying, is like,

01:03:27.200 everybody's instinct is to say,

01:03:29.500 oh, I like what this guy said.

01:03:30.900 Marjorie Taylor Greene.

01:03:31.380 Yeah. 1.00

01:03:31.620 I like her, but I'm not going to have a woman president. 1.00

01:03:34.780 I prefer not to have a woman doing what she's doing now. 1.00

01:03:38.680 Yeah. 1.00

01:03:38.980 Well, and she's a knucklehead anyway.

01:03:40.480 I mean, that's sort of my point is there's nobody that is ideologically sound and like president material. 0.78

01:03:48.200 Right.

01:03:48.600 So it would have to be somebody that we don't know about yet, a dark horse. 0.67

01:03:52.880 Yeah.

01:03:53.220 That's the only one I would go for.

01:03:55.120 Yeah.

01:03:55.320 and then it turns out like jd vance being you know point in case case in point is uh the dark

01:04:01.600 horse that nobody knows about and then suddenly appears turns out they're not much of a dark

01:04:06.540 horse right they actually the reason why they all of a sudden have this quick ascendancy is because

01:04:13.120 they were selected right you know so so it'd have to really be um organic and uh and that just takes

01:04:21.120 time. I don't think, I don't think you'd get that in 2028. No, I think you're right. You know,

01:04:25.180 so thanks for the show. Yeah. I hope it's been helpful for all the listeners and we'll see you

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The NXR Podcast - February 25, 2026

THE SPECIAL - The Real Origins of JD Vance (w⧸Nick Fuentes) - EP9

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